The City Council will consider a consent calendar with multiple funding items for the Indian Wells Golf Resort, including $880,000 for Celebrity Course rehabilitation design, $800,000 for artificial turf conversion at Shots in the Night, and $75,000 for a new banquet kitchen design. The council also will approve appointments to the Planning Commission, increase the no-bidding threshold from $5,000 to $25,000, and receive quarterly updates from the Sheriff and Fire Departments. A public hearing on the annual levy and engineer's report is scheduled.
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Welcome to the National Anthem.
Welcome to the National Anthem.
Welcome to the National Anthem.
Present.
Mayor Pro Tempena.
Present.
Mayor Taylor.
Here.
Shall we then approve the agenda?
Motion to approve.
Second motion.
All those in favor?
Aye.
It's been approved.
So, let's see.
We go to proclamations.
Riverside County Sheriff's quarterly update and introductions of Sheriff personnel.
Lieutenant Chivone.
I'm Lieutenant Frank Chivone.
I'm Lieutenant Frank Chivone.
Chivone.
My apologies.
First and foremost, I'd like to discuss with everybody.
Deputy, you crashed about two weeks ago on his motorcycle at 111 and Cook.
He was looking for...
If you could speak into the mic, then people who are listening remotely can hear.
He was looking for distracted drivers.
The vehicle stopped in front of him.
He ran it at probably 30 miles an hour.
He has a sprained thumb, a sprained foot or ankle, a broken toe.
And then he's just more embarrassed than anything.
So, he's...
And his motorcycle's total, huh?
His motorcycle is...
We don't know if it's totaled yet.
It's being under repair or under...
We're getting it looked at to make sure what needs to be done.
So, he'll be back probably in eight or ten weeks.
So, that doesn't mean you could speed because we have Deputy Abrego out there trying to keep things down.
Next one.
Okay.
This is the quarter three results.
We had 3,755 file numbers pulled, 536 calls for service, 2,388 self-initiated file numbers with 42 total arrests made through that third quarter.
Number nine is...
Or nine DUIs is erroneous.
It's 11.
There was 11 DUI arrests, seven public intoxication arrests, three warrant arrests with 2,038 arrests.
So, is this through March?
This is for...
The quarter.
And the third quarter, yeah.
Yeah, third quarter.
Through March.
February, March.
Yeah.
Can you go back to the slide, please?
Well, do you have any figures of those people that were arrested of the 42 arrests?
How many were Indian Wells residents and how many were not?
Is that information that might be available?
It is available.
I do look.
It's maybe one to two.
Out of the 42, maybe one or two were Indian Wells residents.
The other are people that are just...
Driving through.
Driving through.
Thank you very much.
We're seeing it.
Well, it's always.
For the traffic collisions during that three months quarter, four major injury, 15 minor injury with 48 non-injury.
Traffic citations were 615 written by individuals to include you, Abrego, and some of the patrol guys.
11 DOI arrests during that third quarter.
Do the DUI arrests come from having one of those stopping points, or are they just random?
Do you know?
I do know.
For the DUI checkpoint, which is farther down the road here, I think there was two arrests.
So it's included in the nine?
Two, yes.
Okay.
Thank you.
We had zero homicides, zero rapes, one robbery, one burglary, zero auto thefts, and 10 miscellaneous thefts.
Total property crimes were 12.
Total part one crimes were 14.
You guys take a look at the chart here, quarter three from 2024 to 2025.
This is from the time dispatch.
The deputy was dispatched to the time of arrival.
On your far left is the red for January of 2024 was 6 minutes and 3 seconds.
Compared to January of 2025 was 3 minutes and 9.93.
So when I shifted the secondary motor, there was concerns that response times would go up.
In fact, they'd come down and are increased in traffic has gone through the roof.
So I hedged my bet and I won.
Let's see here.
January, it's pretty self-explanatory.
You guys can take a look at them.
Our priority one is the most important calls, the life-threatening, the domestic violence,
or traffic collisions that people may be injured.
Those are the ones that we're racing around to get to.
Just the same chart, just a different view of it.
But as you can see to the far right, priority one in 2024 to 2025 to 2026, they're still pretty good.
I'm working on the priority fours.
Those just come with ebbs and flows, those times there.
These are some of the highlights of the cases that are being done.
I'm not going to read that verbatim, but long story short, during the course of B&P tennis tournament hosted here at the Indian Wells Tennis Gardens,
there was a group of what we commonly refer to as gypsies.
They were a Colombian organized crime base.
They came through here with the intent to steal.
They were successful enough to steal a $435,000 watch off somebody's arm or wrist.
And long story short is that three people are working in concert.
They're going around taking pictures of people's watches, their fancy watches, utilizing them as their targets.
And then they create a diversion of the victim.
This particular diversion was a rather attractive female that had a load full of money.
And she drops the money along with her partner.
The partner and her or the victim goes down to help her pick up her money.
Her partner, you know, basically says, no, don't do that.
Or we got it.
And while the commotion is going on, he's able to get the watch off your wrist.
If you look on YouTube, there's some videos.
I understand that these guys are so slick that they're able to get the tie off your neck without you realizing that it's gone.
Is that why you're not wearing a tie?
I'm not wearing a tie.
Mr. Sanders?
They could get that tie off your neck.
Yeah, whoa.
It's a valuable tie to.
Some of the highlights that was conducted by members that were assigned there to include the Indian Wells set team, along with the robbery, burglary suppression team that we have that is also hosted, fortunately, by Indian Wells.
It's a team made up of six or eight guys and a sergeant.
They authored 13 search warrants up and down the state, mostly in Ontario and L.A. to include some jewelry stores.
They were able to get initially two people in custody based on flock and vigilant cameras with the use of identifying their vehicles.
They got the first guy in custody.
They got the first guy in custody.
The DA's office did not want to file.
We got his phone during the phone and the extraction of the phone based on one of the search warrants.
There were multiple pictures of multiple people in multiple locations at the tennis gardens with individual watch pictures.
So the DA's office, because we didn't have a watch, but showing the intent with all these pictures on the guy's phone, they ultimately filed on him.
So he was released.
We had a surveillance team outside the jail.
We didn't want to take him back into custody.
We wanted to bring him back to his house.
So we had a surveillance team set up on the jail.
We followed him all the way to Ontario, where we landed a house.
At the house, we were able to identify, based on many, many hours of surveillance, of the female that was involved.
So ultimately, all three were taken into custody.
And they're over there.
Well, two of them are at the jail, waiting charges.
And I think one had an outstanding INS warrant that the feds came and picked her up without our knowledge.
So she's back on her way to Columbia.
No watch return.
We went to the jewelry stores down there.
Some of them, they're scandalous jewelry stores.
They don't know anything about it.
They've never seen this watch.
But we have GPS of them being inside the store.
During the search of the residence, there was multiple papers located with shipping address for shipping containers that were going back to Columbia.
So we assume that that watch is on its way to Columbia.
And then in February, we did a DUI checkpoint.
221 vehicles were screened.
321 vehicles were screened.
53 drivers were referred to secondary.
So if you go through the DUI checkpoint and they notice that your eyes are red or watery, or you have the smell of alcohol emitting from your breath in person, they divert you into another lane.
And then another set of guys come and they evaluate you.
So they evaluated, ultimately evaluated four people, and two of them were ultimately arrested for DUI and booked into the Indio jail.
So I think that's it.
I think that's it.
Let me see what else we have here.
The set team guys have been busy.
You know, we've had B&P tennis, which was a two-week deal.
There's lots of planning that goes involved in that.
I have the FBI out there, the CIA.
There's multiple executive protection teams for some of the heavy hitters in the world that attend, to include the players.
Prince Harry or Prince Henry or whatever her name, she was supposed to be out there.
They didn't want to talk to me, unfortunately.
So we work close with the executive protection teams just to keep everybody safe.
We have the speaker series that we are providing law enforcement services.
Dr. George, car show, which is a big hit.
Big deal for the city, big deal for the cancer research people.
That was about it.
I'll touch on a little speed study that we did.
And I just, if you guys have any questions in regards to that, Mr. Penna, I could bring wigs up here.
But we will continue our speed efforts, enforcement efforts throughout the city.
To keep these numbers.
Can you move over and tuck into the mic?
Just slide over?
All right.
That's fine.
Do you have the numbers for all those that live on Eldorado, Cook, and Fairway?
You could share with them how much work you're doing over there?
Yeah.
Whether you're seen or not, I want everybody to know.
Ms. Avalo will bring it up for us.
Wigs, come on up.
I'm going to go out a little out of, let's see here.
No, you can do this.
Go ahead, Wigs.
Come on.
Where is this device?
All right.
Good afternoon.
I'm Sergeant Wick, Riverside County Sheriff's Office.
I just recently got assigned to the City of Indian while I was doing the traffic division.
I always see the motors.
I also see the collision reconstructionists that we have on the team, as well as the community
service officers that we have.
Before we get into the survey, the sprint survey, or the analysis that we did on Fairway Drive,
a little bit of history about me.
I've had 20 years in law enforcement.
Over half of my career has been in traffic to some degree.
I was a motor deputy for a handful of years.
I'm currently a collision reconstructionist.
Essentially what we do with collision reconstruction, we analyze crashes and find out how they happen.
And we use a lot of math and physics to try to figure out how major collisions happen.
It's really exciting.
And then I was a field training officer as well, not only for the patrol division, but also for traffic.
And currently I am a collision investigation force instructor for the Sheriff's Department in the state of California.
We can't hear you.
You can't hear me?
Oh, do I have to go through that again?
Oh, okay.
All right.
You want to stand here?
Let me see.
I think this will be fine.
Yeah.
So, okay.
So it's a little bit about my history there.
Traffic enforcement.
First thing to talk about is traffic enforcement and how that's done and its purpose.
Because there's a purpose behind deputies out writing tickets.
They don't just aimlessly go out and write tickets for the sake of writing tickets.
There's a purpose there.
And that purpose is to reduce collisions.
So typically what we do is every month or every quarter we gather where all the collisions are happening in the city.
And then our traffic deputies will, our motors will go out in that area and write as many tickets as they can to get collisions to come down.
So once collisions start to go down, we basically chase the next busiest area.
Enforceable speeds.
This is a common misconception about how speed enforcement works.
If you're going one or two miles an hour over the speed limit, you are more than likely not going to get a speeding ticket.
It doesn't typically work that way.
The law, as it relates to speed, is that the burden of proof is on the officer to prove that your speed is unsafe.
So a vehicle going three, four miles an hour over the speed limit, I have to articulate how that's unsafe.
And that's not very reasonable, typically.
But now if you're going 50 miles an hour in a 50 mile an hour zone, and there's a car overturned in the middle of the lane,
and you pass that thing at 50 miles an hour, it's going to be pretty easy to articulate how going the speed limit is unsafe, given those conditions.
So deputies will typically enforce speeds like that.
Now, when it gets to court, with that burden of proof, to show that a vehicle is traveling five, six, seven miles an hour over the limit,
the deputy has a huge burden.
The courts will agree, though.
Anything 12 and over, typically, is unsafe.
And so now the burden more or less is going to shift to the driver to prove how is 12 miles an hour over the speed limit not unsafe.
So when we start talking a little bit about the data here on fairway drive, when I start talking about speed,
and I talk about how many vehicles are speeding, I'm talking about the vehicles within that enforceable speed area.
I'm not talking about the vehicles that are doing one or two miles an hour over the speed limit.
Resources.
What we do to enforce traffic laws, we have motor officers.
As you can see, this is one of our newer motorcycles.
I believe this is Deputy Abrego's motorcycle.
So we have, we use motor officers.
We have community service officers that drive white cars that have sheriff on the side of it.
And we use traffic trailer devices that basically, as you drive by, it tells you this is your speed.
It starts flashing when you're going over the speed limit.
We all know those ones.
That's the ones we use as well.
So talking about fairway drive, there's been a lot of questions about speed issue there or reports of speed issues.
The first thing I'm going to look at is how many collisions are occurring on fairway drive.
So I'm going to look at what we have in our resources as a collision summary report.
It's basically an outline of every collision within fairway drive as I chose it.
And what I found was that for the past 10 years, from 2015 until now, there have been a total of 11 collisions on fairway drive.
About one a year.
Two of those collisions are caused by speed.
None of those collisions were injury or fatal collisions.
Okay.
The next report I'm looking at is, in the city, where are the majority of our collisions occurring?
And so there's a high incident summary report.
It lists the number one roadway where all the collisions are occurring, which is routinely 111 and Cook.
Intersections are very common in the United States to be number one.
But when it comes to fairway drive, the city of Indian Wells has between 17 and 27 high incident areas.
Fairway drive competes with being the last every year.
For the past 10 years.
What did you do?
Fairway is what?
Fairway drive.
It competes with being one of the roadways that have those...
Last sentence.
Fairway drive.
It competes with being one of the lowest frequency areas in the city.
And it's been that way for the past 10 years.
Yes, sir.
For collisions.
Thank you.
Next thing I'm looking at is the engineering and traffic survey.
And just as a side note, everything I'm providing here is just fact and data.
And then afterwards, I'll give you my opinion and we can go from there.
But the engineering traffic survey, which was done in 2022, and it's good for seven years,
basically determines what the speed limit is on a roadway.
The way that works is 85% of the cars that are traveling, whatever that speed is, that's
what the speed limit is going to be.
So the people get to choose how fast the speed limits on the roadways are.
If we want the speed limit to be 80 miles an hour on 111, we all have to travel 80 miles
per hour on 111 and not get pulled over.
So with that fairway drive, 85% of the vehicles or 85th percentile is at 38 miles per hour.
Thus, the speed limit for the survey is at 35.
In July of 2024, the speed limit was reduced to 30 miles per hour.
One, because of some speed complaints, but also because there's a park that was installed
there.
So the engineering department has the right to lower that speed five miles per hour for public
safety because of the changes there, and which they did.
Next thing I'm going to look at is traffic enforcement and how many citations have been written.
So we had a radar speed sign placed on fairway drive from October 1st to October 26th, 2025.
35,000 vehicles were scanned on that roadway in that one month time.
56% of them were at or below 30 miles per hour.
41% were between 31 and 40 miles per hour.
And 3% of the vehicles traveling through the roadway were at 41 miles per hour entering that
enforceable speed area.
Next, there was a seven-day directional speed analysis that was conducted from September 5th
to September 11th.
And in that time, that one-week span, there was 12,000 vehicles that were scanned.
Out of those 12,000 vehicles, only 1.8% are within enforceable speed.
So here's how many citations have been issued annually on fairway drive alone.
So we can see in 2015, there was a total of six citations.
Speed enforcement wasn't starting to be conducted until 2023.
And currently in 2026, we have about 248 tickets that succeeded that by now.
But there are 248 tickets written on fairway drive, 92 of them being speed related.
That's just in this year, the first three months of this year, you're already at 248?
Yes, sir.
And 92 of them are speed.
What are the other 200?
The more common is you're looking at stop signs.
We do get some stop signs there.
You get an occasional right-of-way violation.
But the majority of the time, it is going to be stop signs.
Okay.
Now, you say 92 is speed.
That is where they're going more than 12 miles an hour over the speed limit.
Yes, sir.
So they're going 42 miles an hour or greater.
Correct.
I imagine they only do it once.
It's a very loud ticket, yes.
Yeah.
So ultimately, with all of that, my opinion is that we don't really have a speed issue on
fairway drive that is causing a public safety concern.
No matter where you go in the city, you're going to have speeders.
1.8% of the vehicles traveling that are speeding, that's a normal number.
Does that mean that things can't get worse?
Absolutely.
So our job is to not only are we going to focus on the high incidence areas like Highway
111, Deputy Obrego is routinely showing us speed enforcement.
He's pulling people on 111 doing 90 and 100 miles an hour.
So that is not uncommon.
So he's maintaining that focus.
And Deputy U is doing the same thing on Fred Waring and the other streets that they're working.
They're still going to be taking a look at fairway drive and making sure that that speed is kept in check there.
But as far as safety goes, I don't think we're looking at a significant concern right now.
So if you have any questions.
Yeah, I have a question or maybe a comment.
So I think from your study, it shows that over half of the people, well over half of the people are going under 30 miles an hour or 30 miles an hour.
And that is a great improvement, thank you, over what was happening before we reduced the speed limit to 30 miles an hour.
So I think the conclusion is, is reducing the speed limit to 30 miles an hour has been a great boon to the city of Indian Wells on fairway, correct?
Yes.
And when you're on fairway drive and you're seeing that, you know, how close cars can be to pedestrians and golf carts, slowing that speed was a reasonable decision.
Absolutely was.
Any other questions?
Just a comment.
I think for the residents on fairway drive, speeding is a big part of the problem.
But another part of the problem is the volume of traffic.
And if you drive from one end of fairway drive in Palm Desert, where it originates, to the other end of fairway drive on Indian Wells Lane and Indian Wells,
the entire stretch is residential, except for one use at the northeast corner of Portola and Fairway.
There's a church there, but every other use is residential.
I think it's unreasonable to have huge buses and other non-automobile traffic other than golf carts zooming up and down fairway drive,
which is a, for all intents and purposes, a residential street.
I just want those folks to know who live on fairway or in close proximity to fairway,
that we had a very robust discussion about this at the Public Safety Committee meeting yesterday.
And we're going to try and take steps to curb the bus traffic, other heavy traffic.
And so stay tuned.
Any other comment?
Yeah, Dana.
That's great news.
I believe in the Palm Desert portion of fairway drive, all commercial vehicles are prohibited.
And to the extent that we could look at making that same prohibition in the Indian Wells section,
it would be, I think we should look at that very carefully.
I live in an area where I go in and out of fairway to get to my home.
And speed does not appear to be the issue.
It is the issue of just too much traffic.
And people on bicycles who are going the wrong way.
And so when I'm looking here and there's somebody over there, so I think when we get the safer streets, that will be addressed as well, I presume.
But anyway, as far as the commercial vehicles are concerned, I think if we simply duplicated what Palm Desert has done and enforce it,
I don't know how they're doing with enforcing, but if we enforce it, I think that would make a major difference.
I think that's a good call.
And the Public Safety Committee will roll that into the discussion.
Eventually, it will get to the council.
Thank you.
I just want to say thank you for all your hard work, listening to the residents and providing this information today.
Some of them don't see you out there and, you know, they have a lot of questions, but you've definitely brought a lot of information here for us to respond to them.
And we really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for your presentation.
All right.
Deputy Abrego and Sergeant Spence, come on up.
Counsel Sergeant Robert Wiggs.
He's going to be the secondary motor sergeant riding partially between the two cities.
He's in the process of getting some equipment ready so he could have a safe ride.
So I'm going to skip the introduction for Sergeant Wiggs.
He pretty much introduced himself.
He's been around here about 20 years.
Worked for me back in the Indio station.
He was the Jew U of La Quinta.
Over there, he wrote lots and lots of tickets and always with that same smile on his face.
And I never got any complaints.
Never got any complaints.
He was a great enforcer and a hell of a salesman.
So this is Robert Wiggs.
And clearly, he's got the real analytical side to him with numbers.
So it's a true blessing that he's here working for the city.
I'll move on to Sergeant Stan.
He's been on, I think, about 15 years.
Also worked for me.
Rode him like a horse.
He doesn't even want to stand next to me.
He's still terrified of me.
But he is going to be in charge of the set team.
I've set some high standards for these members of the team.
He's been at a few different stations, several different assignments.
So he comes with a history of knowing what he's doing.
So we'll see how long I keep him.
No, just kidding.
Deputy Abrego, he's been on 20 years.
He's been all over the county.
He's worked personnel.
He's worked the jails, the courts.
He is really good at social media stuff.
He's done a lot of photography stuff and safety briefings.
You can look on the sheriff's website.
He's got a whole video about e-bikes.
He takes this job very seriously.
He's very passionate about speed.
He spends a lot of time on 111 and daily.
I get text messages, pictures of people up over 80, 90 miles an hour every single day.
So these people are out there and he's trying to combat that.
So these are the members of your team here for the Indian Wells.
We appreciate all your support and we will continue to...
push the mission forward.
Thank you very much.
Thank you guys.
And thank you for your service.
Doing a great job.
I love those numbers going down on the crime side.
That's an incredible decline.
All right.
Next up, Riverside County Fire Department.
Quarterly update.
You got to follow that.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Good afternoon, Mayor, Mayor, Pro Tem and City Council.
My name is Cody Wright, your Fire Chief.
And I'll give the third quarter updates for 2026, which will be the months between January and March.
So from January to March, we had 415 total calls for service.
We averaged a 4.4 minute response time, which is excellent.
We're meeting our benchmark there.
Engine 55 ran 281 calls.
Medic 55 ran 162 calls.
And Medic 255 ran 134 calls.
I would also like to mention the fact that nurse navigation, which is when 911's called and it's not necessary to send a fire engine or an ambulance to that call.
12 additional calls from the city went to that.
And a lot of those were mental health or possibly logistics where the person's not able to get to the hospital and didn't necessarily need a fire engine and an ambulance going code 3 to their house.
So that was lowering our call volume.
Additionally, we had one commercial fire, 59 false alarms, 296 medical aides, which made up 71% of our calls.
21 calls for public assist, two residential structure fires, two rescues, 28 traffic collisions and two vehicle fires.
Here's our response map for the city.
Pretty much all the blue dots are the medical aides.
The red dots are for fires and various other calls.
As you can see throughout east to west, the majority of our calls took place in the center of the city.
Looks like the Straits of Hormuth.
Yep.
We'll go back.
Yep.
All the ship dots.
There it is.
Zero blockade.
I'm proud to announce with the assistant city manager, we were able to get new Medic 55 in service.
It's bright and shiny and the guys are loving it right now.
It was a learning process for myself, getting the accredited, licensed and all the hoops and red tape we had to jump through to get it.
So it's quite a big accomplishment.
And I thank you for that, Eric.
Your firefighters attended the Mini Muster throughout the cove communities.
And what that is, is where the firefighters go and teach first aid, firefighting and some basic public safety skills to all the young students in elementary school.
The kids absolutely loved it.
They got a little wet, possibly a little bit muddy, but luckily we had hot weather.
So it was great for them.
I attended several of them and was able to talk to a lot of the teachers, principals, and even the parents were out there.
And it was quite a shocking fact to find out that many of the parents that were there attended the Mini Muster when they were in school, when they went to the schools out here.
So it's been going for over 40 years.
It's a long tradition and it sounds like it's the highlight of the year for the children.
So it was great.
And we found that when we teach them fire safety at a young age, it sticks with them through the rest of their lives.
So it's a great investment for the kids.
For significant incidents, we have the Hyatt Grand Champion Resort fire.
Crews were dispatched to the hotel.
It's a five-story high-rise at 7.58 p.m.
Upon arrival, the first company officer didn't see anything, reported nothing showing.
As the crews went to investigate, they located a fire in the electrical room on the fifth floor.
The incident commander requested a second and third alarm.
Basically, a first alarm would be four engines and a truck.
So he tripled that.
So we probably had about 20 pieces of equipment on scene as well as three chiefs.
The fire was contained to the original room with minimal smoke damage.
Unfortunately, 300 occupants were displaced.
And one hotel employee did have smoke inhalation and was transported to a local hospital.
The cause is still under investigation.
And that would be the end of my report.
Any questions?
Any thoughts or comments on BMP Paribas, which occurred during this time?
Yes.
I went and attended.
It was very good.
I was highly impressed.
There was a ton of people there.
And I was completely overwhelmed, not just with the amount of people, but the traffic.
I thought it was very professional.
I met with a lot of the people doing the medical aids.
And I had medical aid stations and everything.
So it was great.
Cool.
You didn't see any expensive watches, did you?
No, no.
No watches.
Anybody have any comments or questions?
Thank you for your presentation.
Appreciate the update.
Excellent.
Okay.
So now, appreciate your service.
Fantastic.
Let's move to public comment.
Are there any public comments, city clerks?
Yes, we do have two public comments.
We'll call up Eileen Lynch, followed by Martin Lacks.
Okay.
Eileen.
You've got the hot mic.
Alrighty.
Hi, everybody.
Thanks for being here today.
My name is Eileen Lynch.
I am the executive director of Parkinson's Resource Organization.
And I'm here today because it's Parkinson's Awareness Month.
So I just wanted to call some attention to that.
Parkinson's is the fastest growing, second most common neurodegenerative condition in the world.
And it will outpace Alzheimer's soon.
Uniquely impacts Coachella Valley.
We have an older population than the rest of the U.S.
U.S.
Average is 37 years old.
Indian Wells Average is 65.
So we have some unique risk factors that mean that we have more people with Parkinson's living here in Coachella Valley and here in Indian Wells than other parts of the country.
And we know that Parkinson's resource organization provides services like emotional support, practical support, education, resources, and community to help people navigate living with Parkinson's or caring for someone living with Parkinson's.
And all of our programs are completely free.
And I want to thank you for the reason why I'm here today.
It's not just a condition that your best friend's uncle's grandpa had.
It is something that is coming fast and furious for our population.
There is a local resource that serves this population completely for free.
And you can find out more about that at Parkinson's resource dot org.
I will be applying for some city grants in the future.
And I do hope that we are more successful this year than last year because we are located in Indian Wells.
We are one of the few nonprofits that operates within this great city and serves this population.
So thank you so much.
And I'm available for questions if anyone has any.
Thank you, Eileen.
Thank you for your presentation.
We look forward to hearing from you on your request for grants.
There you go.
Mr. Lacks, the hot mic is yours.
Mr. Neighborhood Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council Members, Staff, Neighbors.
Good afternoon.
I'm Martin Lacks.
I lived here in Indian Wells for, well, since I started my law firm here in 92, moved here in 95, raised three children, including many musters.
I wanted to comment about three different things.
First, the increasing plane noise over our neighborhood is becoming more and more disruptive.
It's not just the sound itself.
It's the frequency and duration.
Sounds like my wife's pregnant again, frequency and duration.
But the planes are just constant now, especially at night until 11 o'clock at night even.
And with the mountainside right against us, it echoes.
I asked Council to do something about this.
I sent, I think, a complaint response to the city, and I hope that that helps.
Second, when the golf courses were redesigned many years ago, the city shared that achievement with us residents.
We had a day on the course, got to meet neighbors we never met before.
It was a nice time, and it recognized us and how we support the course.
We had now just redesigned the course recently, and I ask you to consider doing the same sort of thing.
Maybe next fall we can do that.
And third, on the lighter side, I've been writing letters to bagel companies.
I like bagels.
From LA, I went to school in New York.
Well, guess what?
H&H Bagel just opened up today on Country Club and Monterey.
And no, I do not have any financial interest in it.
Anyways, I encourage you all to go there.
It's pretty good.
That's it.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
The FAA, by the way, we're going to have, I believe, a future agenda item next month on a whole series of research and investigations.
This group has been doing to try and figure out how to, let's say, encourage the FAA to change the landing pattern.
So we'll have an update next month.
We'll have a report today from the city attorney on a closed session item related to that, too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So stay tuned.
Yep.
We are with you.
All right.
City manager report.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Yep.
I'm a city council.
I have no additional report today.
Wow.
A man of few words.
Yeah, exactly.
Mr. City manager.
Did Dana put you up to this?
I know.
Yeah.
Maybe.
Mr. City manager, we have, I believe, quite a few golfers in the audience who golf at our golf resort.
Would you very briefly explain the problem we're having with our water supply, Colorado River water supply?
I will do my best, but I know our public works director, Dina Purvis, can help interject.
Earlier this year when we planted the flowers along Highway 111, we noticed that they weren't growing as well as we thought they would.
And actually, it wasn't the brand of Indian wells.
So as our public works crew removed them, they decided to find out why this was the case.
They did a soil sample of the fire beds and found that the salinity in those fire beds is almost off the chart.
So as such, they determined in cooperation with the golf resort that it seems that there is a high level of salt content in the water coming from the Colorado River,
which goes into the detention ponds at the golf resort, which is used to irrigate the golf course, as well as Indian wells' landscape.
And so we had some discussions over the last week and looking at solutions to perhaps find ways to drop down the salinity amount coming into the golf resort from the Colorado River,
or perhaps looking at different water supply, including wells at the golf resort.
But it does affect the landscape in the community and perhaps the growing at the golf resort.
So the vegetation at the players' course, brand new grass, etc., on several of the fairways and greens,
has been stunted, perhaps, as a result of the salinity in the water.
In conversation with Dick Leiter, who is the agronomy director, he's here as well.
He's more than happy to answer those questions, but yes, it has an impact on the golf resort.
Thank you.
Mr. Pan, do you have a question you want to ask?
No.
No, I just wanted to ask, when did you discover this?
Ms. Purvis?
And this is non-potable water, I'm assuming?
Yep.
Good afternoon.
We tested the soil at the flower beds approximately four weeks ago and got the results last week.
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
Any other comments?
Okay.
We'll go to city attorney.
Honorable mayor and council.
As you know, the council met in closed session earlier today to discuss the items identified on the agenda.
No action was taken that needs to be reported under the Brown Act.
However, as has already been alluded to, the council has invited me to report that the council authorized retention of special legal counsel to advise the city on new flight paths over Indian Wells that have been approved by the FAA.
And to discuss legal counsel to discuss legal counsel to discuss legal options.
The council will also have, as has been mentioned, a discussion item on its May 21st agenda to discuss that topic.
That concludes my report.
I'm available for questions.
Any questions?
All right.
Off to the consent calendar.
So are there any items to pull?
I'm going to request pulling G13.
Any other items?
I'm going to request to pull G4.
G4.
Okay.
Any other items?
I move approval of the balance of the consent calendar.
All those in favor?
Aye.
Okay.
Consent item approved with the pulling of G13 and G4.
Okay.
So we can discuss those now, I guess.
So G4.
Let's go with G4.
Amendment to the fiscal policies and procedures manual increase of no bidding threshold from $5,000 to $25,000.
Kevin, are you going to talk about this?
Sure.
Thank you, Honorable Mayor, members of the city council.
The finance committee met and discussed the idea of changing the no bidding threshold from a fiscal procedures manual,
which is currently at $5,000 up to an amount of $25,000.
There are no other changes suggested for the fiscal procedures manual.
One of the reasons for this change was simply time.
The $5,000 limit has been in place in the fiscal procedures manual for an excess of 20 years.
And given the amount of work done by our public works department, it was deemed prudent to adjust the total from the minimum $5,000 to a new minimum of $25,000.
That completes my report.
And of course, I'm available for any questions you may have.
Mr. Mayor?
Yes.
For purposes of discussion, I move that we approve the finance committee's recommendation.
Second to motion.
Okay.
So is there any questions?
Well, I guess we public comment should have come before the motion.
But does anybody have any public comment that they'd like to make on this particular matter?
Okay.
Now accepting the motion for discussion.
Bruce.
So we discussed this previously, but my concern about this matter is that when you increase the purpose of having bidding, if I'm correct, is to make sure that we have multiple companies that are coming in and giving us bids.
So we get the lowest bid and or the best bidder, however that's arranged.
And so the question is, is how many contracts approximately now will move into the no bid arena when we go from $5,000 to $25,000?
The current estimate, the current bids today, I think it's about 74 bids.
And the total amount of those contracts on an annual basis is about $900,000.
Okay.
So those are 74 contracts that previous, that until we passed this issue, were competitive bidding.
That's correct, sir.
Okay.
And if we pass this, then that's $900,000 of contracts that annually, is that correct, that would not be competitive bidding?
That's correct.
That would move, that threshold moves up to $25,000, and those particular contracts would no longer require, the Publix Works Department can still do any kind of quoting that they like.
But under the revised policy, they would not be required to bid those contracts anymore.
Okay.
What are some of the safeguards?
Obviously, competitive bidding is a great safeguard for a city to have to make sure that we're getting the best bidding, the best price, the best contractor.
And also, I think, is a safeguard against something we would, none of us would want to see, which is, you know, friendly contracts to somebody at the city.
What safeguards do we have in place that would protect the city from things like fraud or friendly bidding, non-bidding, and that type of thing that you get when you don't have a competitive, potentially, I'm not saying we would have it, but potentially could have if you have no bidding contracts?
I understand.
Thank you, Council Member Whitman.
Well, there's a number of things in place.
First of all, this is simply removing the bidding requirement.
And what that means is that all of these, as alluded to, all of these are still contracts, meaning that they have all the internal control procedures.
All of those vendors are still required to carry insurance and demify the city.
There's still all the separations of duties that exist.
The one issue that's being changed is the bidding requirement.
And the lion's share of those 74 agreements are really essentially professional services that are on call.
And two of them that I think maybe are very easy for the council and folks at home to understand is the one is our air conditioning companies.
So we have a number of air conditioning companies.
And we even tend to this moment.
We have a most qualified company that we work with.
They came to us under the professional or I mean, under the bidding process.
It's a company that we use all the time.
Annual services, if and when an air conditioner breaks down, it's often much greater than $5,000.
And rather being stuck in the situation of having to bid for air conditioning repairs.
Now we have a company on duty that can come out immediately and service that.
Another example is in public works is towing.
So if and when, if possible, one of our vehicles breaks down, needs to be towed.
Now we have a company already in place that we can simply call and have those services done immediately rather than bidding that out, which, as I'm saying here, it sounds a little foolish.
So that's a good, those are two good examples of where this would work best.
Okay.
And I get that.
But my question has to do with preventing favoritism.
You know, the fact that competitive bidding does protect the city from favoritism and no bid contracts.
I think that's pretty well acknowledged.
Are you able or would you be able to do some tweaking?
Because when I read the ordinance, it doesn't, it doesn't really talk to that issue.
It just increases the amount.
Is there anything that you could do administratively to tweak that statute or that ordinance to prevent any favoritism as in the same way that bidding would do, competitive bidding would do?
Sure.
So one of the things, and I've spoke with the public works director about this.
One of the things that would happen, regardless of whether it was in the policy or not, is that in this particular example of let's stick with air conditioning.
So if we had a service or air conditioning condenser broke, for the sake of the argument, it was $12,000.
And if the very next time we call the same company and it happens to be $12,100, $200, our public works director is going to just immediately repair it.
But for the sake of your discussion, sir, if the situation was that repair went from $12,000 to $18,000, the public works director still has the option to do quotes, to get three quotes and make sure that that number aligns with the current market.
And that's something that we could put in as an additional paragraph in this section if the council opined to that.
But it's something that happens automatically.
I don't think it would impede the process.
And it certainly wouldn't change the bidding requirement.
Okay.
Okay.
And isn't there, Kevin, in place already as a matter of protocol and procedure, no favoritism and a process that when we engage in a contract, that those kind of languages are in the procurement process as well as in the execution process?
Yes.
Yeah.
Clearly, there is no favoritism whatsoever.
What we're really talking about here are the folks who have demonstrated being the most qualified bidder, folks that we trust, folks that we work with day in and day out for these types of services.
So, like I said, those people who are going to call and who are going to come, whether it's care, conditioning, repair, or touring.
But when we went through the list, and the list is extensive, I pointed out three random companies.
And you actually said all three of those are out to bid because they're a new vendor and that's the process you would go through anyway.
So, what you're referring to is a narrow example of people we've worked with in the past that we're trying to continue to work with.
But in the event that a contract, potentially a longer term contract comes up or a company moves on, in your discretion, you'll be able to bid these agreements out.
And that's how it would work.
Yeah.
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
So, you are currently bidding out a number of the contracts that are actually on that list.
And we'll typically do that when we don't really know what the competitive bid amount should be.
If I may add, Mr. Mayor, and that is, I think Mr. McCarthy has alluded to pre-qualifying.
But I think he should probably give a better description of what that is.
Because I think that there's an assumption that there is no qualification of these vendors.
So, maybe that will help eliminate the comments.
Would you care to describe?
The pre-qualification process?
Thank you, sir.
Yes.
So, going through a process of bidding, we look at those folks who are qualified to do the work, whatever type of background it is.
And even to the extent of once they're hired, how well do they do the job here?
So, those folks go through whatever, all those qualifications that are established by the public works department in order to become a pre-qualified vendor, somebody who is capable of doing the repair.
Bruce, do you have any other questions?
I think, Dana, do you want to...
Well, I just want...
Well, I just want...
The $25,000...
Well, let me put this in the form of a question.
This is like jeopardy here.
What is your...
I'm addressing the city manager.
What is your limit that you can go ahead and spend without coming back to the council for authority?
$25,000, sir.
Okay.
So, this would match that same authority that he presently has.
Is that correct?
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
I mean, this is not...
So, it's nothing greater than what is already available to the city manager at this time?
No, sir.
And I think it's the reason, if I may indulge, the reason the finance department landed or committee landed where it did was for one of those reasons as well.
Thank you.
Any other questions?
Yeah.
So, again, I appreciate all that.
And, you know, Kevin, I find you very trustworthy.
And I know you would never do anything that would be untoward.
But for the protection of the residents, what I'm seeing is that there is now $900 and some thousand dollars that formerly was competitively bid that now can be let without any competitive bidding.
And I think that's a pretty big number.
And what I'm concerned about is not that what your policy is, your unwritten policy or your, you know, what you would generally do, but that there's nothing in writing in the policy to prevent, not you, but maybe your successor or somebody else in public works or somebody to give somebody a contract.
Does that mean I have to stop asking?
No, sir.
I'm terribly sorry.
You're out of time.
Nea culpa, mea culpa.
Let me just turn this off here.
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rather than just constantly saying,
you can go to whoever you want without any bidding
and hire that person for $24,999.
That's a big I think that's kind of a big number.
But is there something you can do administratively
without having counsel to come and deliberate
and having a new policy or whatever?
Can you tweak that administrative policy?
Maybe some language that maybe this satisfies you,
that in the event it's a new vendor versus a renewal,
that we have to send it out to bid?
Well, I think the same danger is presented with renewals.
Okay.
I'm just trying to understand your issue.
Okay.
The only issue I'm concerned with, I understand,
you know, there's pre-qualification, everybody's qualified.
But as you go on, people get to know each other
and get comfortable with each other.
And that's what I see as not just the danger with our city,
but with any city.
Okay.
Mr. Pena?
Can I ask you why you want to make this policy change?
Well, the initial reason is, is that, first of all, great question.
The initial issue is, the issue is, that is facing our, us, is that this, the $5,000 limit has been in place for more than two decades.
And the cost of services.
And the cost of services.
Again, I'm going to stay with something super easy, like this air conditioning repair.
easy like this air conditioning repair um has been has just risen over that time and you know
we're not a residential home we're a commercial facility so our costs are even larger there's a
number of air conditioners so on and so forth so in in the event when we need service got albeit
even emergency service from an air conditioner going out or what have you uh those costs are
typically more than five thousand dollars and our public works department is being stymied
from being able to supply those repairs until they can go through that process of getting those bids
and so the idea of increasing this limit is really to recognize that costs have increased over the last
20-year period and that indian the city that's where those services are now kind of landing is that
between that uh 10 5 10 up to 25 000 for repairs mr mayor um in line with what the finance director just
said um five thousand dollars 20 years ago is not five thousand dollars today if you just take the
consumer price index rate of inflation compounded every year for 20 years you're going to get a very
very significantly higher number than five thousand dollars some of these contracts are best measured by the
construction cost index in terms of inflation and there are years when the construction cost index has been running
10 to 15 percent per year so 25 000 is really five thousand dollars in terms of
20 06 numbers
i believe mr are you uh complete sorry wait is was that are you complete mr sanders i am okay uh city manager
i was going to add a point on behalf of the public works director she can come up and attest this as
well as there's many a times that we have small public works projects let's say repairing a portion of
the sidewalk and the vendors are not submitting bids to do so because the insurance costs that they have to
incur prior to being accepted to any work or just to be a competitive bidder deters people from submitting bids
um so there's been how the worst projects were maybe it's a five thousand or excuse me a ten thousand dollar
project they'll spend maybe a thousand dollars on the insurance requirement and yet not bid or not
get the project so it's deterring people from actually bidding the projects too
okay mr reed as i understand it you can spend up to twenty five thousand dollars on anything that you
reasonably believe is in the best interests of the city to do so
so i mean this is a this is a non-issue i mean if necessary and presumably you can delegate that to
the the one of your subordinates so i mean right now it could it right now this is just an impediment
to what what you already have and that is the power to uh to spend up to uh twenty five thousand dollars
uh that's why we recommend that we do this bidding sending it out to bid is a time consuming very
expensive process and as uh uh as was just discussed uh uh the cost of living is has increased dramatically
in the last 20 years so um i would urge an i vote uh on on on the finance committee's recommendation
could i just get an answer to the question that i asked so i understand all that i think it's fine
is there some way administratively without us re-going over this policy completely with bidding
that you can put a little bit of teeth into the into the policy because a million dollars now is is uh
is it no bid uh under this new policy is there some kind of teeth that you can put in there
administratively to have some greater assurance in writing um that uh that protects us from any favoritism
um i i can work with uh our city attorney but yes um to if if what you're asking for is can i craft
language that would allow if there was a large discrepancy in the cost um to actually have language in the
fiscal procedures manual that would say at some reasonable point our public works department or
whomever would uh uh would be required to do i'm going to call them today bids or um quotes get quotes
get three quotes for that uh if there's some large change in the price uh yeah that's something we could
craft in there and put in that language and i it's something that the public works department would do
anyway so i i don't think that's an impediment to them that's the maker of the motion i'll accept that
as part of the motion okay okay so we have a motion and amendment to the motion uh i think it's time
to vote all those in favor all right all right motion carries go to g13 please g13 is uh the notion of the
creation of what i will uh casually call a adult miniature golf course at the uh at the indian wells
golf resort that uh is going to replace the shots in the night um and uh we have not only seen these
facilities uh that have been already produced in arizona and other cities with much success but uh the only issue i
have here is that uh i would like to uh see this uh approved subject to approval of the design
of the the city the city council's approval of the design of the actual um uh golf course uh
miniature golf course and facility there's going to be a that's a motion second
does anybody uh is there any public comment on this particular matter uh anybody have any public
comments okay uh now we have a motion to approve subject to approval of design
any discussion no clowns or windmills no clowns or windows okay i think we can make that accommodation
any other comments i have a question yes i have a question for nick do you have a second yeah okay
removing the design component from this is it possible that we could do this and and with without artificial turf
um
most definitely but
i i think especially the way that we're moving in the state of california is moving
and the southwestern united states is moving with water conservation
moving towards artificial turf is in our favor but does it fit our brand i mean we have
world-class agronomy we have world-class golf we have everything world-class and then we're going
to have artificial turf for like a pitch and putt it just seems a little out of out of our brand to me
yeah most definitely i think um they're just like dr taylor went ahead and said there's a lot of
examples in different states in arizona where they're moving towards artificial surfaces and they're
going ahead and they're producing a really good product um there is a lot of labor a lot of water a lot of
fertilizer there are many components that go into making the shots in the night forces work
i think overall it'd be a good investment for the city from our end um you know especially with the
labor and inputs that we input into them but that's just my overall opinion in other words as contemplated
with artificial turf correct yeah if i can add um i was on the trip to scottsdale when we reviewed
some of these facilities and i was talking about clowns and windmills and just um these facilities
are really professional um and uh if you took an aerial view it would look like a miniature golf course
they're very tastefully done and i think uh they would be a real attribute to the golf resort
and when you say miniature golf course it's not red carpeting with windmills but literally like a mini
version of the players exactly yeah they're very tasteful you know yeah tiger woods himself he goes ahead and
a lot of these courses are designed after where uh you know there's different pop-ups where tiger is
designing these certain courses that are considered pop stroke that are very tasteful they provide fun
year-round you know i don't have to go ahead and put any inputs into them whether it be water or labor
there's no shutdown time if i have to airify them during the summer months or overseed them during the winter
months um you know they're open year-round and i think it would be a great attribute overall to the resort
and then to the hotel partners as well because they're open year-round for children's and family to go
go out and visit so one other consideration um i mean the the fairways on these uh miniature courses are
very narrow uh and you have to have a putting surface in order to play them i don't know how you would
mow them if they were natural grass it would be a challenge i would think yeah and i mean if they were to
stay natural turf they would have to stay putting surface just like we have them currently um but
you know some of the design work that they're kind of using currently with different you know water
features that are kind of worked in and so they're with the artificial turf uh sand bunkers things like
that they're they're very cool very tasteful um i do not think they look you know unprofessional at
all in my opinion nick for the people please for the people that are watching on tv could you state
your name and your position what you're doing and just indicate that you know what you're talking about
most definitely uh nick leitner i'm the director of agronomy over at indian wells golf resort so
i deal with grass on a daily basis and i'm a grass nerd so if anybody has any questions i'm here to go
ahead and talk and then you know the you know the only other thing is as greg mentioned you know we saw
uh there's some brand names associated in some of the existing uh courses putting courses uh architects
that have lent their names that can be an attraction certainly from a media perspective etc so i just uh
you know would like to understand you know the design nature of this uh and and its marketing
applicability because we think we can drive a lot of business with the hotels in the off season and
create a family entertainment space uh as well as have a lot of fun with our current existing golfers so
there's a motion on the table uh to approve subject to uh approval of design do we have any other
discussion is there a second i didn't know yes oh yeah yo my question
is well i i wouldn't i hadn't thought about this but if we approve this are we approving artificial turf
without any without any other analysis of whether we better to have natural turf we have we've
actually been talking about the last couple of years to switch to artificial turf so yes okay so
regardless what we would agree to is an artificial turf facility yeah correct that's been our understanding
of the law and we'll bring back prior to awarding any bids what the design or the bid project looks like
okay and this this supplemental appropriation of eight hundred thousand dollars is for design and
construction that is correct so it's the whole the whole ball game correct okay thank you
any other questions okay we have a motion on the table all those in favor all right all right passes unanimous
okay now we go to uh public hearings and uh the first agenda item is h1 annual levy and engineers report for the indian wells street lighting district
uh i believe mr mccarthy you've got the show again
thank you uh good afternoon honorable mayor members of city council uh this is uh all part of your
regular public hearings to levy the role for the fiscal year uh 26 27 fiscal year um the levies for the public
street lighting district are that the street lighting district provides a portion of street lighting for the
village area which is adjacent to fred wearing drive and uh warner trail with that staff recommend that the
mayor open the public hearing take any public comment close the hearing and simply adopt the resolution
approving the levy and the collection of the assessments and with that i'm available for any questions you may have
okay any questions that from council on this okay anybody do we have any public comment on this no we open the
public hearing yeah we open the public hearing no public comments no public comments okay so close
public hearing move adoption second the motion all those in favor aye passes unanimously ronda h2 final
annual levy report for landscape and lighting district number 91. mr mccarthy i believe you have the mic
uh again good afternoon honorable mayor and members of the city council uh this is to approve the annual
levy for the landscape and lighting district number 91-1 which funds maintenance and the operations of 17
landscape and lighting districts within the city of indian wells the total projected cost this year is
approximately two million dollars funded through property assessments with no impact to the city's general fund
with that the staff recommends that the mayor open the public hearing take any public comment close the
hearing and then simply adopt the resolution approving the levy and those collection of those
assessments and of course i'm available for any questions you may have sir does anybody up here have
any questions okay open the public hearing are there any comments there's no public comments close the
public hearing move adoption second the motion we have a first and a second all those in favor aye aye aye
passes unanimous page three annual levy and engineers report for the drainage maintenance benefit assessment
district number one mr mccarthy you're a popular man today please proceed thank you again mayor and
council i'm trying to get through this as expeditiously as possible uh the drainage district is located in the
province community and reflects the maintenance costs for nuisance water runoff and retention with that staff recommends that the mayor
mayor open the public hearing take any public comment close the public hearing and then again simply adopt
the resolution approving the levy and those collection of those assessments and again i am available for any
questions you may have does anybody have any questions there's no public questions open the public hearing
does anybody have any public comment there are no public comments close the public hearing we have a motion to approve and a second motion
those in favor say aye it passes unanimously now we're on to h4 h4 is the ordinance amending title 21 to clarify
existing regulations under the golf course overlay zone and ensure general plan consistency and finding the action to be
exempt from sequa and sequa guidelines okay community development director berg please present to the staff yes
thank you honorable mayor council members john berg community development director for the city of indian wells
the item before you is an ordinance that would be repealing the golf course overlay and replacing it with a
golf and recreation base zone the impetus for this i'll describe here here you see a an exhibit that shows the
existing land use map and zoning map for the city and you can see golf and recreation is called out in the
in the legend of that map and it's shown in the darker green areas on the map itself and
um the the idea of the golf and recreation zone and how it's been historically developed over time is for
allowing both public and private golf courses with clubhouses maintenance yards restrooms snack shacks
those types of things that support the golf course and also supportive country club recreational uses
which include but not limited to tennis pickleball shuffleboard resort pools and spas etc
um the idea is that the areas in green are kind of flexible for both of those uses so
um they would be um they would be changed or are newly proposed by um issuance of a cup and a site plan that defines the areas where both of those uses exist
overall we've had some challenges with uh the the golf course overlay as it's kind of a phantom nebulous
floating um polygon if you will within that green area um and the nature of the overlay within the
golf and recreation land use it creates unnecessary confusion and subjectivity um problems with administration
as the overlay is delineated on the physical boundaries of the golf course and that could be argued what the
physical boundaries of the golf course is rather than a defined zoning geography such as the dark green areas
that i showed you so it's hard to interpret and um and it's very subjective in nature there's no clear
default development standards and um it's limited in guidance in in what the ancillary and supportive uses are
related to the plane of golf and the country club recreational amenities um and also the review authority is dated
um it it basically requires city council look at any modifications uh within that zone that are in excess
of five thousand dollars and here we've heard that five thousand dollars yesterday is not the same as today
and so we've kind of removed that and uh have a more subjective um review process and i'll describe that later
i would like to note that in the general plan which is the the land use constitution of the of the
the city um it does already call out the uses for golf and recreation and it's highlighted there in the
excerpt below that um golf and recreation is intended for the public and private golf courses tennis
facilities and other typical country style country club style amenities um and where the general plan is is
more broad in its interpretation of what the land uses allowable land uses are that the zoning really
doesn't prescribe them or enumerate them in a way that's um consistent so here we are just trying to
create some general plan consistency with the with the zoning which is an action item under the general
plan action item cd1a directs the city to update its municipal code to ensure zoning designations
and are in standards align with the general plan and i would say that the general plan build out table you
can see on the bottom did in fact um project build out of over 1300 acres within the golf and recreation
zone with golf and recreation uses here we're not proposing to add any additional uses it's all of
what historically has been developed and you can walk out and see with your own eyes in the in the country
clubs itself as they exist today so what the ordinance does is it as i mentioned repeals the um golf course overlay and
um so essentially removing the floating overlay tied to the subjective boundaries of the existing golf course
and it establishes a golf and recreation base zone which creates a clear base zone for golf and
recreational uses consistent with the city's general plan and the existing land use map
it cleans up related chapters so it clarifies and restates definitions of modern golf courses and recreational
uses planning areas the review framework and um with conforming edits and cross references within the zoning code
to read one as one cohesive update
um it's important to note um what the ordinance does not allow and it is not allowing new land uses
ancillary supportive uses exist within the golf and recreation zones now as i mentioned
and it does not amend the zoning map and does not approve any physical development
some highlights of the changes real quickly i'll go over with you um is chapter 2108 it provides
definitions of the golf course play area with modern course definitions so here it describes the golf course
play areas those areas consisting of the tees the fairways the greens the the bunkers the things that are
traditionally associated with a modern golf course it defines golf practice areas to include those uses
such as driving ranges putting and chipping areas in sand practice areas those kind of things are
golf practice areas and it defines ancillary and supportive uses such as mentioned which does already exist
within the golf and recreation zone snack shacks cart barns maintenance facilities and and the like
in chapter 2112 it recognizes golf and recreation as the base land use category and updates the land use
matrix and overlay text for cross reference accuracy chapter 2114 has been updated to replace outdated
golf course references with golf and recreation land use title and restates and the allowance for
commercial and recreational uses at the city-owned indian wells golf resort such as shots in the nights and
miniature putting chapter 2140 is has been updated to restate the permitted golf ancillary and supportive
recreational uses within the golf and recreation zone that reflect existing development within the indian wells
gated communities as they currently exist and it confirms in chapter 2123 that development standards apply by
default unless preempted by specific planning areas it also continues to prohibit commercial gamified golf themed uses
like top golf and miniature golf within the private country clubs and chapter 2148 has been updated to clarify any conforming edits necessary for internal consistency throughout the zoning code and the municipal code itself
and preserves existing telecom siting preferences at the clubhouse within gated communities
so it basically still keeps the oversight of the city intact the existing tools are easier to read and apply
and any discretionary review is required for substantive changes so routine work such as ministerial
changes where staff can approve it include like ordinary maintenance in-kind repair so irrigation
re-landscaping of areas that have already been landscaped those types of things are still ministerial
where um you look at architectural and landscape review you're looking at design or and it changes that are
routed through the city's design review committee and it's more design focused on changes to the landscape or
the city's design review are building modifications but um anything that was more substantive nature
um considering like new use are our major modifications to the the golf course itself or maybe even the clubhouse facilities
um including expansion relocation replacement and conversion activities they would be
um subject to a cup process which would involve planning commission review and city council review
so in sum uh staff is recommending that the council opens the public hearing receives public testimony close
the public hearing introduce the first reading of the ordinance and find that the adoption of the proposed
ordinance is not subject to the environmental quality act pursuant to section c sequa section 1506 b-3 and
i'm available for any questions all right that's uh what a very detailed uh presentation
of hundreds of pages here that uh this is uh i'm sure is uh in your mind a much needed update to the
the code yes sorry about that thank you for the in-depth proposal and i'm sure in your mind after
this many hundred page proposal that it's much needed to update the the codes does anybody have any questions
up here i i do mr mayor yes please can you go back to the slide john uh where you have telecommunications
uh the uh the uh within the golf course
uh in the golf course recreation zone
telecommunications facilities can be cited but the preference
is at the clubhouse that that's not not just a preference that's the um development standards
require that they be cited at the clubhouse or integrated into the clubhouse within the golf and
recreation zone if they're going to uh be proposed anywhere outside of that um area it would require a variance okay
but uh they they could be cited outside of the clubhouse area somewhere within the golf course recreation
golf recreation zone
uh yes with the variance with the variance and the findings that come with the variance as well okay um
would it be possible for a property owner to propose and have approved a change of zone
to golf and recreation for the sole and exclusive purpose of citing a telecommunications facility
um under the current ordinance uh that would the capability is there and under the proposed ordinance that capability would be there as well
even though even though even though even though there's no golf or recreation
amenity within the property that is the subject of the application for rezoning
correct uh telecommunication facilities within a gate guarded community that has a clubhouse have the ability to locate a telecommunication facility
through conditional use process at the clubhouse facility if they so choose
to look at different options because that doesn't fit their need
they can certainly look at other areas within the same golf and recreation zone or
propose a zone change to um allow the golf and recreation zone to expand into that a parcel that isn't zoned
currently golf and recreation but it would require going through a conditional use permit a zone change
and a variance and all three of those things have specific findings that the council would have the discretion of of either approving or denying the project
so theoretically um a piece of property that is zoned residential
could be rezoned to the golf and recreation zone
to facilitate the placement of a telecommunications facility
again i would affirmatively say that it could happen under the current ordinance and also the proposed ordinance
we're not changing that ability okay i um i i've been a big proponent of doing this and you know i'm the one that
raised all the concerns about how the golf course overlay zone work but um
the the way you've set it up and i appreciate all the work you've done but it just doesn't make sense to me
that if a piece of property can i break in this is questions we we're not into discussion yet i'm
asking him a question okay all right it doesn't make sense to me that um
the city council can change a zone on a piece of property to golf and recreation when there's absolutely no
underlying golf and recreation use that's going to be established on that property does that make sense to
you i guess that's the impetus for allowing zone changes is to allow a change of the zone to allow
a use that currently isn't allowed there to to be okay prohibited but again under the discretion discretionary
of the planning commission and city council and obviously the community that's affected
i'll have more to say when we get to this
you have a question ruse i have a question um is there any way anywhere in this new uh
zoning overlay where the word pickleball
uh
yes certainly we've defined in general terms the um types of uh
i guess typical recreational uh country club uses and we looked in interior to what is um
currently permitted and developed here in the city and so um not only pickleball but tennis and
racketball types of sports okay badminton and those kind of things would be consistent with what we
would view as country club recreational type uses so pickleball can uh can be constructed and approved
as a conditional use permit in the golf and recreation area now under the new proposed uh overlay is that
correct that's correct okay is that new no that's not new because uh if you look at the history of
approvals and what has been developed in the country clubs uh pickleball is in four of the country clubs out
of the five um so under the as i understood the old overlay the old overlay was stated to be
coterminous with the golf course correct that's correct for golf meaning golf overlay yeah the golf overlay
which is now the golf it's the same overlay correct same graphically we now are proposing to use a base
zone instead of a a phantom floating um hard to define um overlay that that just really didn't really have
a uh in in my mind or in planning um it really doesn't have a a purpose other than describing where the
golf course exists within the golf and recreation zone we can we do that through site plans and um we do that
through conditional use permits so does this new with this new overlay increase the areas where pickleball
could be and even onto the golf course now instead of like on the the uh you know the practice areas
or the parking lot under this new overlay which is golf and recreation theoretically a pickleball court could
be on anywhere in that golf and recreation overlay is that is that correct um it would be under a
conditional use permit uh approval process through the planning commission and city council to modify the
existing existing conditional use permit to allow uh deviations or modifications to the golf course to
um you know allow something else like a recreational use there
so much is that a yes or a no that is a yes but i'm describing how okay how it has to go through a
process it just doesn't by right say you can you can do this and administratively get it approved through
city well like any other conditional use permit it has to go through the process okay but theoretically
can i have todd just opine on this just for a moment yeah thank you mayor and council um if the question is
will uses be allowed in any new places under the new base zone compared to the existing overlay the answer
is no the sole purpose of this change is to clarify what is and is not allowed today the overlay has caused
some confusion because of the coterminous language in the past but as john mentioned nothing nothing will
change in terms of what's allowed where we're just being more clear about that to avoid confusion over
terms like coterminous and the the move from an overlay to a base zone gives us uh creates fewer
opportunities for confusion it's more straightforward it's more clear pickleball will be allowed in areas
outside of the golf course just like they are today under the overlay and as evidenced by the many
occasions in which pickleball has been improved in exactly this situation multiple times so it is
consistent with the historical interpretation and application of the overlay that will not change we
just have a better better language to achieve the same result and of course in a future amendment the
council could as a policy choice decide to change what the rules are but this is really just a more
straightforward way to um regulate in the same way and so for to clarify bruce's question is that a yes or
a current golf course i lost track of the question a current golf course designation can't just
automatically change to pickleball or bocce ball that's correct that would require a planning approval and
city council approval etc that's right it would require a cp you you conversely because that's a recreation as
defined you also couldn't put in a restaurant on a golf course because that's not consistent with the
unless it's a snack shed that's not consistent with the new recreation golf and recreation definition
yeah i believe that's correct okay i have a question john um the intent for this 1308 acres am i correct
correct correct okay is to redefine the golf overlay is it is there an intent there for in the future for this
golf and recreation area to grow to expand because i think that's a really important question and that should be established now
yeah i'll let the city attorney opine on that
mayor and council that's an excellent question the answer is yes the answer is yes but it's it's no
different from the reality today today someone can come in and apply for the golf course overlay to be
applied to a new parcel and and the and just like someone after this change if adopted someone can come in
and apply for the golf and golf and resort base so recreation recreation thank you golf and recreation
base zone it it will be no different anybody can come in and apply for a zone change that goes through a
legislative process and the five people up here have a lot of say because findings have to be made is it
is it appropriate is it reasonable can we make these findings is it consistent with the general plan
so has that act so has this actually changed anything no that's the whole point no this is a clarifying
change i guess i guess i would say that it did enumerate more clearly what are typical um golf golf course
uses and what an ancillary uses and also what are in definition in the zone code um but those are not
changes but they're not changes and that is described generally in the in the general plan but it was
not described at all in the zoning ordinance and so here we are just making it more clear and
enumerating those uses being consistent and creating yeah consistency yeah are there any other questions
from us before i headed out to public comment all right uh you may want to stay there any public comment
on this particular matter yes uh we do have a couple people that have raised their hands and i would
invite them down for a uh comment please don't forget to state your name and you have
you got 30 seconds mayor city council rob bernheimer uh live here in indian wells there is one difference
between the golf course overlay and the new golf and recreation zone you're eliminating the coterminous
language and i think if it's going to be a golf and recreation zone that makes sense you might want to
build a pickleball court that's not coterminous with the golf course so you don't need the coterminous
language for that however in your telecommunications ordinance you've kind of broadly said we're okay with
a cell tower that's coterminous with the golf course so you're geographically limiting that you're not
saying some parcel on the other side of the club can be suitable for a cell tower so by eliminating the
coterminous language somebody could come in rezone a remote parcel to golf and recreation for no golf
and recreation purpose at all but solely because cell towers happen to be allowed in the golf and recreation
zone and that to me seems unfair to people who buy a house next to a vacant parcel thinking it's going to
be open space or some other use and now you're saying well we're going to rezone it golf and recreation
but we're only doing that because golf and recreation allows for cell towers and this ordinance does change
the language in this telecommunications ordinance from the golf course overlay to the golf and recreation
so i think adding a provision and and these as we know from the reserve from five years ago these
things take years and hundreds of thousands of dollars and a lot of community sentiment i think it could be
a positive statement for the council to say we're happy to rezone anything to golf and recreation but it has
to be for golf and recreation you can't rezone it to golf and recreation for some other purpose other than golf and recreation
recreation and that's a simple amendment to to what you have before you today that you you can apply for a
rezoning to golf and recreation but the primary purpose of that should be for golf and recreation and not for some other use
thank you for your comment i believe there's one more person that has a comment or no no okay please come on down
okay march march of the former mayors uh no we don't we don't talk about those things uh hi how's everybody
is that tonight what is the elephant in the room here can you see your douglas hansen is the elephant in the room
here uh the uh india wells country club and their desire to create pickleball courts in in the in the club
and the issue that we dealt with here a few months ago and how does these changes if someone could
will be kind enough to answer the question uh does this allow the indian wells country club to build
the pickleball courts that they wanted to build or does it prevent them from building
the pickleball courts that they wanted to build mr hansen who are you asking um
the the ghost here in the chair uh the uh i'm asking i'm john berg i'm asking john
uh who gave the presentation here okay uh the question and that was it just a question i just
wanted to know how this proposal is going to affect the indian wells country club thank you and its
ability to build uh pickleball courts and i believe if i'm not mistaken uh mr attorney that that answer
has been given which is that you just like previously have to come and apply for a new
pickleball court where there was a golf course or a parking lot and it does not give any country club
let alone indian wells country club the ability to just build a pickleball court uh with this motion
being approved today is that correct that's correct there would need to be other legislative approvals
thank you or discretionary approvals all right is there any other public comment okay coming back to
city council do we have a motion do we have a motion all right i'll move that we for the purpose of
discussion uh approve uh as the recommendation uh of uh city staff do i have a second
no okay so we have a uh i don't think there is a vote here so we move on to our next agenda i i think it
would be um a good idea to explain to the uh planning director some deficiencies not of his making but
deficiencies that we perceive that might result in um something coming back to us in the short term
well then for the purposes of discussion only i will second promotion so that we can discuss it great
so look um uh if you think back to uh the public hearing when we considered pickleball
at the uh indian wells golf or indian wells country club um being a land use nerd um having practiced land
use law for 49 years um my big problem was much has been articulated by both uh john berg and the city
attorney and that is we had this amorphous golf course overlay zone that um prior city councils uh thought
could be manipulated like an amoeba in other words um without going through the zone change process the city
council could determine uh that the boundaries of the golf course overlay zone could shift magically and um
i i tried to point out that the planning and zoning law does not allow that so um for for openers
i'm very very very satisfied with the direction this is going and i think john berg has done a great job
finally we'll have static boundaries for uh a golf and recreation zone um i voted against the pickleball
application at the indian wells country club largely on the basis that in my professional view outside of my
role as a city council member uh the the zoning didn't work um and what john berg has done is he has brought back
a work product a work product that makes it work so pickleball can be in my view approved at the indian wells country club
without the um problem of having a very very vulnerable decision that could be challenged by a resident
who uh who uh feels that he or she has been harmed by the presence of pickleball um what bothers me about this
particular uh proposal is um it allows somebody to rezone a piece of property to golf and recreation
that has absolutely no golf and recreation purpose
and i i just think that's inconsistent with
what we ought to be doing here you know we're trying to clean up the zoning code and if we're going to clean it up
let's do it in a way that makes sense
so i think with a few tweaks if we send this back
it can come back maybe at the main meeting and it'll be a a better work product
hi can i does anybody else have any questions i do uh first of all i i'm wondering if if if uh it
would be satisfactory greg if we took out any language out of this zoning change to telecom at all because
we do have a separate telecom law that that covers all of this and i don't i don't know that it's really
necessary maybe it is john i don't is it really necessary to have the chapter 21.48 section preserves
existing telecom citing preferences at the clubhouse when we already have another telecom statute that
specifically states the same thing and and so that that's my first question
uh thank you uh council member whitman um i would say that the changes to chapter 2148 was just to
um strike out references to the golf course overlay and replace them with the golf and recreation zone
there was no substantive change other than that it was just to replace the the verbiage if you will
and the the same underlying premise of golf and recreation for telecom use exists today as it will
continue to exist whether you approve this or deny it i i get it but what my question is is can you just
are we protected by the separate telecom statute that defines where a telecom let's say cell tower can go
by another statute another zoning statute where we wouldn't have to have anything in this we could just
take it out i know it was there before but we could just remove it and still have protections against
somebody rezoning their house i don't know if greg intended to do that i don't know if you have a deal
in place to no but but you know where where you would just you wouldn't even refer to this statute uh
for telecom it would just go directly to the telecom statute is that a reasonable way to resolve this issue of
of uh that that greg has properly brought up right so again um the only clarifying um amendments to
chapter 2148 was changing the verbiage so we're not changing anything there but we do
have to make the verbiage clear so that we're we're talking the same language between different
chapters and sections of the code suggesting taking it out altogether and i don't know what that means
other than we didn't make it means you just take it out take it out but then we have to change the
verbiage of of the golf course overlay versus golf and recreation zone because there's no such thing as
a golf course overlay if we approve the ordinance as as it's being proposed but i would also say that
under the current ordinance under 2148 anybody could go to the perimeter of the golf course if they
wanted to locate a telecom and and say my telecom facility would be better suited in this open space
area that's conservation in the mountainside and therefore i want to this parcel i want to change
the zone into golf and recreation to facilitate that so it's not just there's unintended consequence
here if you think it's just residential the ability to change residential to golf and recreation you
you're going to lose the ability to change other land uses to golf and recreation that
may be really suitable for uh future telecom uses if we well okay here's the question yeah all right
i have another question i don't think we got the right answer to that one but uh my other question
is is and i guess i look at this a little bit differently it seems to me that the other our old
statute was very clear because it stated that the golf course overlay was coterminous with the golf course
itself and therefore recreation purposes would be allowed outside of the golf course overlay other
other than golf right that's correct and and so now with this change the entire golf course area including
all of the practice areas and everything else they are now in the same golf course and recreation base zone
and therefore the way i see this now we're opening up the golf course to uses recreational uses other than golf
because i mean i understand you have to go through zoning you have to go but but but still i mean
you you are by definition allowing more uses of a golf course if somebody comes in and council wants to
approve it i i would i would i guess um reply to that by saying the golf course overlay zone is malleable
just as much as um a site plan as of a golf course is and so if somebody wanted to modify their golf course
to make a par five into a par three and add um tennis on on the remainder parcel they can certainly do
that whether it's a golf course overlay designation or the golf and recreation zone it's a cup process
that goes through the planning commission and then ultimately the city council for approval so
that that's not changing it hasn't changed anything doesn't change it does not change that right
but just read the well it's just yeah you're just redefining golf overlay to golf recreation yeah we're
we're restating the allowable static borders exactly and nothing's been excluded nothing's nothing's been
excluded nothing's been added i do think mr bernheimer raises an excellent point though about making sure that
if we are to designate uh something recreation golf and recreation that it should be golf and recreation
and not it is something else like a telecommunication stop so we should take that out maybe that could be
a motion excuse me mr uh city count city attorney not a city councilman um but uh i just want to i
don't know if it helps the conversation at all but that if someone were to try and in mr bernheimer's
scenario if someone were to try to uh apply either the golf course overlay or the golf resort base zone
golf recreation golf thank you i keep doing that um the golf and recreation base zone uh to a parcel
it would be a legislative approval you would get to consider whether that change of zone is appropriate
if it's consistent with the purpose of the general plan with the purpose of the zone and a big part of
that conversation i'm sure would be what golf and recreation will there be and if the answer is none just a cell
tower you would be well within your rights to say go pound sand so a lot of maybe maybe not i i mean i
mean i don't know if you do agree with me mr sanders but i do think that there is that level of safeguard
built into the process um if you want something more expressed we'd certainly be happy to work with staff
to bring something back for your recommendation i i think that would be a good idea i mean not not only um
would you have a use a telecommunications use in this case that is really inconsistent with all of the other
other kinds of uses that go along with the golf and recreation zone but once the zone change is made
and the telecommunications facility is approved then the residents might be subject to applications for
tennis swimming pools pickleball courts etc etc all of those uses that go with the golf and recreation zone
travel with the zone change to the site that may be inconsistent with a whole lot of the surrounding uses
okay so that's the problem i guess the question is do you have a particular uh is is the issue is the
the telecommunications issue or is it broader well it it's just as i articulated it it's it's broader i i
just don't think we ought to be uh even considering isolated golf and recreation uses unless there's some
sort of a master plan or something that makes it all makes sense okay this is an invitation to ad hoc kind
of zoning that has frankly destroyed a lot of communities okay so are you suggesting that we uh that this group
go back and address the issue of uh i guess non-contiguous uh zoning of that's one of the issues yes and is there
any other issue that you can give them direction to so they can come back with this in a month or two
uh i i think we've laid it out pretty well here okay telecommunications and non-contiguous
i would i would just ask that um
well i guess i should state that the the parcel that's of concern uh to mr bernheimer is contiguous with
uh the golf and recreation zone and it was actually master planned as golf and recreation from the beginning
of the conception of the and i have i have a documentation that i could show you that but
this it by using the word contiguous this could be argued that it is contiguous because it does
parcel does touch the golf and recreation zone of course overlay john i suggest that we use language
instead of contiguous next to and instead of coterminous the same boundaries so that we have a plain english
understanding we don't have arguments endlessly over what they mean
thank you mr mayor yeah i may suggest please in order to expedite this discussion
perhaps one or two council members can serve actually two council members could serve on an ad hoc
to help with provide some direction for both to go back to the planning commission if necessary and bring back here to the city council at a later date sure
okay so let's do that you want to appoint them now and yes then we'll move on yes greg can we also take a break yes greg ad hoc committee please
and i do you want to or or brian
okay bruce greg ad hoc committee
that uh so do we need to vote on the ad hoc committee yes yes yes so i vote yes yes yes all those in favor
all those in favor okay so we have an ad hoc committee to review the language now now to close the
loop on this i move we table item h8 h4 h4 no yes h4 to a later date to a later date okay all those in favor
hi all right we've i've been asked uh vociferously for a 10 minute break a bio break we'll be back at 3 40.
no thank you
here we go part two council city council meeting april 16th 3 40 p.m we got to the letter i
pretty exciting all right warp speed i won review of resident 14 day tea time booking policy at indian wells
i believe you have the floor
thank you good afternoon honorable mayor members of the city council uh this is our third review of the uh
resident tea time booking policy at the indian wells golf resort as you know we started this in september
of 2025 and we met and we met again in january of 2026 during that discussion the council came out with
asking staff to evaluate the equity for the current 14 day booking policy and this to see if there was any gaming going on
and they'll also determine if there were any modifications to be made now i know you've read my
staff report we did a exhaustive amount of research with the trune team and the overall the 14 bay booking
system works perfectly well all the residents as you can see by the bullet points there
have equal access to the booking window the same release time the same reservation process so on and so forth
staff is recommending that we make two recommendations today first is to move to an online booking system
currently there are three ways to book tea times
online is the one that has the largest uh number of folks but we also have uh folks doing it in person
typically around 5 50 in the morning every morning and we also have uh done via telephonically and the
issue becomes even though that we saw no evidence of any kind of gaming there is a perception that
if we bring a bag of donuts at 5 50 in the morning maybe we'll get a preferred time this this recommendation
simply eliminates all of that um all of the online booking uh also is uh uh electronic so it's time
stamped and it's very consistent one thing i'd mention is under the effect i highlighted it in bold for you
is that since september uh several council members have said uh that residents have approached them
and said that the 16 6 a.m booking time period is ridiculous i'm not getting up that early to do that
we've heard those comments and intended consequence of going to online booking only would be that the city
council could have the opportunity to change the daily booking time from 6 a.m to whatever they wanted
whether it was 9 a.m or noon or 7 p.m in the evening what have you with that our second recommendation
thank you our second recommendation is that and and as ludicrous as this sounds is to limit our residents to
only booking one time per day um and uh we do see this it's not extensive but it does happen uh from time
to time where the same resident will book multiple times during a single day uh the elimination of this
uh looks at maintaining additional availability for those residents it's something that we can implement
and that's something that we recommend so the context then becomes if the system is working well
what's going on and one of the things that the city council asked us to do is produce a usage context
report now there's two reports two um attachments in your staff report today that talk about it but
essentially we have a very small amount of residents consuming a majority of those t times and uh just looking at that first bullet point
um the top 13 percent of residents in those protected hours are consuming about 51 percent of the time
so then the context of discussion shifts it shifts from being is the system working well yes it is to a policy
discussion by the city council looking at access and since september the city council has approached staff
with a number of options to us consider i will lay those out for you today they are laid out in the staff report as well
and looking at that uh council option number one council option number one places limitations on the number of times
that residents can book during that protected period that 14 day window of 7 a.m through 12 50 p.m right and the
idea there with that limitation is to allow expand resident access to actually more residents that can play during the protected period
now it doesn't permit or prohibit high use residents residents who use the golf courts on a regular basis
it doesn't permit them prevent them from booking it just changes that from 14 days to that 72 hour time frame where all the
key times open up uh for everybody option two is a resident only protected hours uh whether
it's 7 a.m to 12 50 p.m
or 8 a.m to 10 a.m that's part of your discussion
but what this tries to do is limit
for those protected hours whether it's seven days a week or four whatever you decide you'd like to do
it limits those folks who can per se so no guests for instance during these periods limited to only
residents being able to play during those uh protected tee times option three is a variant of option one
and rather than going from 14 days limitation all the way to when the tee sheet opens up at 72 hours
it places a limit from 14 days to seven days and at that point it opens up so all those high cichlid rate
high end users of the golf course then can get all of the tee times that are available at seven days out
and the idea here with this option is it tries to balance early access with broader resident
participation to the extent they'll consume them and then at that seven day window
whomever else is on the t-sheet uh who all the other residents uh can fill the t-sheet option four
is the first one that adds a tiered booking program now don't get hung up on the numbers they can change
however you like but this is the one that really establishes the first 30-day window where the idea
here is is that residents would pay a premium to be able to book out 30 days on the golf course right
so you have those high-end high cichlid rate users who are kind of at that 14-day window what i'm
imagining as part of that council member discussion was booking at 30 days would be as me as a resident
maybe over the holiday period i'm having my family come in that's the only time they're come in
uh from college or what have you and i end up use paying a little bit of a premium to be able to
secure a 30-day booking time for them to be able to play again this kind of distributes the tea time
utilization to that period uh the last option uh council option number five creates a secondary golf card
um i call this for me i'm just myself i'm calling it kind of the concierge
policy that extends the booking window for example it could be up to 30 days or even more
and under this plan it would guarantee one tea time of up to four players and it would also be concierge
in the sense that direct booking uh through the golf shop and that residents would pay a fee whether it's
200 or 300 for each guaranteed time so if they wanted a guaranteed tea time one time under this plan it
would be say for example 200 if they wanted to guarantee two separate tea times up to four players each it
would be 400 and and so on and so forth um the nice part of this is it adds additional uh access as an
additional option and it also maintains the existing system that we have now so those are the five uh council
member options uh mr mayor before i sign off um i would please recommend that we uh adopt staff's
recommendation of those two options i previously mentioned and of course i'm available for any
questions you have senior management is with me and as you've seen earlier we have a senior uh operations
management from trune who is available to answer any of those technical questions if you have them
with that thank you mr mayor i'll turn it back over to you sir does anybody have any questions um i do uh but
there may not be an answer to it um when the 14-day advance booking was decided upon by the city council
was there any magic to 14 days or is that a time period that was pulled right out of the air
council member sanders uh i i am not aware of anything specific about the 14-day
date i i do have my colleagues here if anyone knows please come up i it's a very good question sir i i
thought there would probably be no institution so you've been around for a long time do you know you
want to come up good afternoon i'm honored will may have been seen uh joe williams director of golf at
the indian walls golf resort um the 14 days was implemented i want to say over 20 years ago when play
at the golf course wasn't as impacted and when we decided to do away with what was called the old
10 play card and create the resident guest fee structure that was when the policy changed to 14
days but where did the 14 days come from who knows yeah yeah it's probably a console decision at that
point yeah and i have another question for you while you're up there so i believe the 6 a.m time frame
that's been established was because it was earlier in the day or first top of the day let's put it that
way when the course was less or when the activity at the club was less in the golf shop pro shop etc
which allowed for more handling of phone calls you're correct it actually was at midnight
on 14 days in advance and it was requested to change to 6 a.m so that it'd be more opportunities
for residents also where our call center at the time which is located in chicago before we're open
is more staffed than they were at midnight which was 2 a.m in chicago all right so got it does anybody
have any questions same question i mean at that time when you made the uh 6 a.m time you were filling
out a t-sheet by hand weren't you not at that point not at that point you're doing it online that was
once we had gone to a digital t-sheet which has been quite a while it's probably been 20 plus years
as well um no it was not not at that point we weren't hungry anybody else have any questions before we
send it out to public comment okay let's thank you very much joe uh public comment does anybody have
any comments yes we have several so we'll start off with a byron piero followed by dan wimsat
byron come on up don't forget to state your name
mr mayor city council ladies and gentlemen uh i've been a resident of the desert for quite some time
about 30 years and i've been a resident of palm desert played desert willow laquita where i played
silver rock and then here at indian wells it was here uh before the clubhouse was built so been around
for a while i don't play golf as much as i used to but the bottom line is when i saw how exquisite a
property it was and how terrific the building was how nice the staff was i said this is home now i thought
this was the best deal in the desert by a long ways 35 to play world class which i would consider a world
class situation was beyond my wildest dreams and i remember in the earlier days there used to be a gang some of
guys it would a little easier to get tea times there and maybe 16 or 20 of us would grout and play and
have a great time but that's when things were lighter on the schedule yes it got busy but nothing like we
see now so i think it's interesting that according to my numbers about 82 percent of the people who buy a golf
card you would think would be interested in playing golf but um they play less than five rounds a year
and that is a problem so i like the online um preservation system because i think it eliminates the confusion
for the pro shop and for the phone calls were coming in gives everybody equal access so i think that's a
really good idea the other thing that i think is a good idea is limiting the number of reservations you can make in a day
because somehow um 50 percent was going to a very small five percent of the of the players were getting
50 percent of the t times so your reservation system and and your access isn't the problem it's availability of t times is the problem
so we have to fix that somehow and i think that that if they could cherry pick and load up a bunch of
things by the time you got to 601 there wasn't any times available for that day so we need to fix that problem
um and i thought you did a great job of explaining how few people take up so much time of the course
the other thing is if this was a great deal 20 years ago at 35 dollars it's incredibly
a good deal now so i used to go to keatties 20 years ago a cup of coffee cost 50 cents
today it's four dollars and 15 cents so if the if the costs of coffee have gone up that much how can
this how can the city uh be allowed to sell those 35 those one third of those things at such a low price
i really think that needs to be adjusted and i think that we need to get back to a cost structure
that actually helps a golf course get enough income in to to give it the kind of care that it needs
to be able to get back to a cost of coffee and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee
and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee
and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee
and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee
and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee
and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee
and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee
and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee and to be able to get back to a cost of coffee
my name is Dan Wimsatt I've been a resident for eight months and Annie Wells Golf Resort is our home
course now for four years I was the one lone soul in January who stood up and said I think that
potentially we could improve the status quo and I feel that today I want to talk about
the three there's three problems I think it was it's not access as the last speaker said it's
availability I think that the the discount off of rack rates has gotten quite a bit more than it was in
the past and unfortunately the unintended consequence of that is we're taking a reputational hit
on the players course has nothing to do with Nick or Joe but you can go through the you know the post play
surveys both from the outside players as well as our own residents and part of that is a result of
the 35-50 dollar policy that city council has had for years I just want to cut and since I don't have
a lot of time I want to go to solution number four suggestion number four and this
is as much for the the people that I respect my fellow residents behind me that's take a look at four
because it's not really it's a pretty interesting thing I think uh let's start with the three day
window or it's the three windows the 30-day window if you think about it
can I get 10 more seconds yes thank you thanks sure better for us so you know I think a lot of people
in the room and perhaps some of you we still hear the issue is there a problem with getting tea times
I have a lot of friends that have said I have no problem getting a tea time take a look at this 30-day
booking window just think about it for a minute if there is no problem getting a tea time nobody will
ever use the 30-day window right why would you pay 100 bucks if you never had to it's an important
I don't know if it'll be 10 percent nothing but I think the idea you'll never have a resident go
I can't get a tea time unless the 30-day bookings all fill up but I don't think they will
the second thing I want to talk about perhaps most importantly is that daily walk-up it's actually
no longer a daily walk-up it's a three-day now as we all know and probably the best thing that's happened
and my hats off to whoever did you guys did that before waiting it's a big deal uh and I think Joe
can talk to that last Friday six days ago I think I think you had what 100 residents playing on Friday
morning all with you know most of them with the three-day walk-up uh Palm Palm uh Desert yeah
Palm Desert has a hundred thousand rounds 20 000 of the rounds of resident rounds with three days so it
it can be done and just the the kind of the final thing in there you can match this there is what is
the annual rate there is what about the guest rate if you manage this properly you could have a guest
rate for family there's a lot of things that you could do with this structure so I hope you'll consider
it thank you very much thank you uh and just as a follow-up question to that Joe um I believe
the walk-up rate meaning the day of is 35 but three days out is still 50. thank you yeah yeah fine
just as a point of clarification is there a next next person yes we have martin lax followed by eric johnson
uh
back again mr mayor vice mayor i should say mayor pro tem excuse me council members staff um so please
state your name again apologies sorry please state your name again oh sure martin lax um the question
hasn't really been answered i don't think is uh are residents not getting access uh i i don't hear that
big a problem so why are we messing it with it i'm opposed to new restrictions or penalties on resident
play for example if you have to cancel your time why are we being penalized we shouldn't be things happen in
life and believe me someone will pick up the spot so why why are you going to do that if someone abuses
that then fine if they're making reservations and just to cancel them sure then they should be spoken to
so that's what should be considered um that's pretty much it uh i just think that
there was one more thing allowing someone to pay more
to get a time as opposed to another resident
who may not be able to afford it
is should not have and the reason you see so much walk-up play or last-minute play is
because they don't want to pay the higher price so not everyone is going to be a multimillionaire in
this town i know that we have that reputation and we all have almost a million dollar houses if not more
but some of us are on fixed incomes and so this is the recreation that we have and this golf course
represents our recreation as opposed to other cities who have an amazing amount of recreation
last point when i raised my three children in this town i was told that the golf course is our park
that was what we sacrificed not having those amenities so i think asking someone to pay more
just because they can afford it and not afford it that should not be a part of it thank you thank you
is there another tom oh here we go my next hi um mayor and council members my name is eric johnson
uh home here in indian wells uh thanks again for uh the resident rate uh program and it's uh i'm
fully in support of it and that's really i'm what i'm here to say is i support it that my comment about
all this is i'm not entirely certain i can't if i can't quite figure out what the problem is that
you're trying to solve although i can imagine what it might be i think the recent change to the 72-hour
cancellation seems to make sense for those people that are planning to come 14 days out so they book a
tea time but plans change and so you don't make it i think it helps the availability to require three
days advance so that people can book it maybe that's all understood but i'm i'm gaining an understanding
of that and again when i look at this program here it occurs to me that it's the cancellation policy that
is the cure if i book 30 days in advance that may be fine but if i can cancel uh once again you've
just blocked the tea time unless unless you cancel well enough in advance so i'm not sure if i can
figure it out but i just worry about unintended consequences more than anything sure thank you for
your comments are there any other comments that's it anybody else have any more comments okay back to
council all right gentlemen uh may i suggest that we uh maybe break this into two one would be to vote on
the recommendations uh by staff for fine-tuning the current booking process all online no phone calls uh
one booking tea time per day uh those are the two recommendations and uh then we can have a discussion
about uh fairness and availability of tea times do you agree with me or would you like to can i make the
motion yes uh for discussion purposes i move that we accept the uh recommendation of our staff uh with
two provisos one is that um as i understand it kevin the the one time a day is during the protected
period if somebody wants to book at seven o'clock and two o'clock that would not be limited is that correct
that's correct sir okay so this is only one time during seven to one okay the other thing is is if
we go to all online booking there's two things that i think we have to do and and that i would propose
that we do one is we have to improve the website because it's it's it's not that easy to use and secondly
we have to uh train or offer offer offer training or offer people who may not be that adept on on
on the internet or on going to websites and it's a little bit difficult to do the tea time online and then we have
older people who don't really use uh internet all the time that we have some pretty good training if we do that um and so the people everybody knows how to use it and if they don't if they don't if they don't
if they if they can't there's a place online for them to find it there's a training online
so that would be my motion um i'll second the motion uh if the maker of the motion would consider
uh a discussion uh about uh the deadline for booking rather than 6 a.m some other time of the day absolutely
okay second in motion okay uh there's a discussion does anybody have any thoughts on this i do um so if
if you're limited if if you're one resident is limited to a reservation for a foursome and mind you i'm not a
golfer i know just enough to be dangerous if they have another group where you have two foursomes and they want to play
how are they going to achieve that if only one if you can only make one reservation
so in other words you're suggesting you're saying that uh well within somebody else if there are eight
people playing golf right one person in group a can make a reservation and one person in group b can
make a reservation and then they can book two contiguous times or close to contiguous right but
they're not going to be guaranteed to play together because they if in theory i suppose that would be
accurate yeah i'm just throwing out what what possibly could go wrong here yeah yep that that would be a
potential consequence so that is you know that is a concern um we don't want to limit our resident benefit
to the golf course to our residents i mean this is this is our the crux of our community this is why
people move here so we really need to be mindful about the changes that we make and how fast we make them
because the unattended consequences can come like a deluge so this needs to be done very thoughtfully
i wonder if if we could um allow one person to make two t times if there's a family in town or
something like that would that solve it or um one guy gets through and he gets eight of the uh eight
eight t times two foursomes that's eight t times eight individual t or eight individual what
that's what's happening is it i have a question is that happening now that's a good one can can can
i go on my phone if it's available and and book two foursomes on my resident benefit card yes do i have
to tell and i've never done this do i have to divulge who's going with me who's who's playing yes
yes this was part of our recommendation as to why to go to as kevin had mentioned
the booking as online okay because most of those situations are call in or in person okay and then
when you do stay there when when you do so if i book the eight t times and i put in who's going who's
playing um and then we shall show up and there's only two of the names on there that were originated
on that then what happens if they are residents with a valid card we'll simply change the name and
the time has been prepaid if they are not residents we will up the charge to the 110 resident guest fee
and charge the maker an extra 60 per person okay thank you are they limited to two can somebody come
in and get all 88 at one time in theory they could 96 is it 96 or 88 96 12 times per day per course
which is 12 48 times two 96 96 okay fine thank you okay so do we have any other questions i mean i i think
what what brian is asking is how often does that happen is that just an occasion where somebody's a
family is in for thanksgiving or is this something that no that happens frequently it happens frequently
okay well that's not good as one of the speakers mentioned earlier we had no restrictions and we had a
golfing group that would book up to four or five foursomes and they'd have 16 to 20 residents play in that
group um once since that has changed obviously a lot of folks have gone we still do have you know like
six or eight guys that want to play together and they will do that okay stay there joe okay so how did
this escape your your survey i mean were you aware of this that somebody could come in and take all 96
things that one with one call uh yeah that we are aware of the restriction that we're talking about
isn't what's being addressed right now so the restriction we're talking about is having the same person
kevin mccarthy uh reserve a tea time at eight in the morning for example and at 10 in the morning um
that's what we're talking about with the doubling or removing folks who are booking twice per day for
themselves for themselves so this issue however often that happens is not what staff is addressing so
in other words you would not prevent just for clarity you would not the system would not prevent if an
individual called and said i want to have three foursomes and listed all the names when they made the booking
right uh and everybody's unique in that there are 12 different people listed the system would still
accommodate that according to your recommendation correct got it thank you so that's the answer your
question thank you it allows you to do what you wanted so you still can okay book two fours now explain to me
how this is how this looks when you have online uh scheduling for tea times and but yet you're still
allowing someone to walk up at 6 a.m to play and and this is go ahead and and then let's just say you
can't let's just say the internet's having an issue or the or the platform is crashing or whatever
and you can't call so now what happens so we haven't had that issue in the past but by the situation which
is what promoted us to or kind of sent us to the direction of online booking is because things have
gotten so busy the other day i walked into the golf shop at 555 and there were seven people waiting in
line to book a tea time i only have two agents at the desk so they're going to start at 6 a.m helping the
first two individuals in line and then you have five people behind them by the time they finish
those first two reservations there's a pretty good chance that the majority of the tea times would
be the online booking would fix that correct but and the other issue if i would mr penna sure is there
was a perception that there could be favoritism maybe you're fifth in line hey i'm here can you block
me the nine o'clock tea time there was also a perception that people were bringing in gifts or
goodies to get that preference from the staff and i as much as they haven't done anything like that
i don't want them to be in the crosshairs and be something that can compromise the system so how do
you police let's just say hypothetically it's all online there's no you can't call it's online you still
have the walk up and i would i would be great with a one day walk up right being able to come in
but but how do you police it that issue or that situation when you have a bunch of people walking
up saying well we still want to play because you're still allowing that that that face to face with with
the golfer correct so you mean like if there were seven people in line right or fifth and they come up
there will most likely still be tea times they just not might not be their desired tea time which is kind
of what we're facing with some of this i know there's a lot of people that say they cannot get tea times
and i don't know that that's true they cannot get the tea time that they're desiring meaning we have
plenty of room after the protected times at one o'clock many of the days so there is opportunity to get tea
times and at that same light they just have to be flexible in their scheduling as far as you know others that are hey too many people are
playing too many times well what if i have an individual who plays at 6 30 every morning
is that a desired tea time for the residents or at seven a lot of folks are going to say i don't want
to play at seven in the morning it's cold and it's too early i want to play at 10. well there's a finite
number of tea times that are available and i don't sell a ton of 6 30 to 7 o'clock tea times to our hotel guests
nor are off the street folks that are paying 250 to 300 per round okay last question so the the the current
issue that we face today does it rise to the level to make any changes well that's a policy decision well i'm
i'm asking him because he's and he's he's the one taking the reservations and well let me rephrase it
then um are you seeing are you seeing issue are there issues there that you would that if you could
if well this is let me let me kind of stop you the question that came about on january 15th is is the
system fair and in my opinion the system is fair okay then you answered my question that's a policy
decision that's not that's i appreciate your your professionalism and i love the way you're running
the show but that is a policy decision that really isn't isn't fair okay or responsible for you to to
make that opinion i only kind of went off of what kevin put on that first slide which was basically
here's what we had found okay so but thank you but thank you for giving him the latitude because i don't
play golf yeah so i'm trying to educate myself up here instead of being in his at the golf
understood and maybe i have a question hold on let me just let me clarify it just something that's
been said here right so we are dealing the whole purpose of this endeavor is equitable access and i
believe what you're referring to when you say do you believe there's equitable access the answer is yes
and i believe the recommendation of the staff is equitable access with some small changes that
would make it more interesting including potentially a later time at 6 a.m which tends to be one of the
lead complaints we get from people who are casual users the the and then the other issue is fairness
now fairness is policy right and it's where i think dana uh is correct and and we can talk about that
in a minute dana you had a question yes sir uh if somebody gets on the phone and wants to
book 12 people how many of those 12 people have to be residents at least three okay so one per force
right okay but the rest can be guests non-residents yes sir and pay the non-resident right or pay no
money's not money's not the issue right so so of the 12
seats or whatever we're calling them that are reserved for residents really only three of them
are reserved for residents in that situation in that situation thank you very much does anybody else have
any questions i i i do please make uh you'll all have to indulge me because when it comes to technology
i do email you know that's about it uh so so uh i'm uh really kind of even doing that
yeah
one step ahead so um i have a mental image of what's going on inside the computer that is taking
the online reservations and my mental image is there's there's a yeah my son yeah the hamster on a wheel
um there's a frenzy at six in the morning is that accurate i would say the majority of our tea times
for the resident slots are booked between 6 a.m and 6 05. so there's a frenzy i think that what what
occurs when you have one of the greatest deals in the world of golf today yeah uh uh no kidding
so um if if i'm trying to book uh let's say uh three foursomes
and um the tea times are filling up are they filling up as i'm typing in the names for sure
so you better be a damn good typist uh and very fast at it i think the quicker you are the better your opportunity
okay that um because if you wait till 602 you're gonna have lost some inventory yeah i have a question
thank you so can you can you sit on your laptop computer phone whatever and at 555 and get that
ready to go just where you hit the button and boom you're you just took up you just took up whatever you
took up as many spots as you wanted to maybe no you can't select the slots you can only queue in your
information you're but so but you can't the slots will not come available until 600 okay gotcha so
you no no but you can right you i'm saying 59 you can enter your name right and then at six and then
at six six six o'clock one second you enter then you can that's my point then you can get those those
yes okay but you have to have three resident benefit cards to get anything okay makes sense
okay so at six in the morning unless i've had about four cups of coffee and uh have been awake for at least an hour
uh i mean i'm kind of uh at a severe disadvantage if i'm trying to make a tea time
and i i uh it just gets to the issue of whether 6 a.m is appropriate yeah and so i did some studies
obviously from the other neighboring golf courses and things like that and the one that was something
that kevin has brought up is we can change that um desert willow which offers their residents a three-day booking
window is actually a three and a half day booking window they allow the t sheet to open at 7 p.m
three and a half days in advance we can do something like that yeah um silver rock is
shooting i want to say they're 5 a.m i don't remember with the conversation i had with randy there oh my
but they're a very similar situation to us wow well there's an idea 3 a.m let's start the booking at
3 a.m 14 days uh no sir what are they desert willow is three and a half days silver rock is three days
all right so are there any other questions so we have discussion right it's not for questions we have
this is discussion okay so is there's a motion on the table yeah let me repeat the motion okay
that we accept the recommendation uh that we have online only that we have a training for people
how to use the online owning that we improve the website so it's easier to maneuver so it doesn't
rely just on whose fingers are the fastest if we can do that and that we change the time from 6 a.m
to something more reasonable i think that's and that and that's is that it well that's what your
that's what your motion is yeah that's the motion and well what time are you proposing uh
should we suggest 8 a.m as a place to start because we can always change it sure 8 a.m seems reasonable
okay um and that we're not changing anything else at this time at this time on this motion but we are
and i am moving those things to be changes but let me discuss also yeah i would also like to suggest
that if you're going to do that you move the three-day window where the available tea times come
come available the unsold tea times come available at 6 a.m to be consistent you might want to do that
to 8 a.m as well okay the three-day window when they open up from the hotels would be also be 8 a.m
okay and nothing else under this motion gets changed it's been second but but i do have a few things
other you want to vote he wants to have you going to add anything more on this particular motion because
i would like to vote on this no bifurcated yeah we bifurcate okay so that motion that's been seconded
yes all the question all right all those in favor hi hi hi the motion passes unanimously okay second part
of this conversation is the idea of door a b c or d or one two three four five would you like to i believe
you have comments on that which uh council option one two three four five i do okay dana has been uh
asked my colleague dana has been asking for a review of this on the basis of equity for a long time and i was
very skeptical in the past but um i've looked at this myself now and listened to others and i do think
there's a problem um and the problem is that at 6 a.m or now it's going to be 8 a.m uh that there's
by five minutes later um all of the protect all 96 of the protected t times or a large percentage of those
are gone and um and so there's a lot of demand for those 96 t times the the so the problem i think is
stated but analogy to law you can state a problem but you have to have a cause proven before you can
get a remedy and the problem i think that we have here is is that even though trune and and our staff
have worked hard and they've come up with with various remedies we still don't know what the
causation of the problem is we have we we don't know is it 10 people that are taking all the t times
is the fact that um that the top 13 get 51 of the t time 51 of the t times is that why it's hard to get
the t times why is it hard is it just because we have too many people and too few t times i don't
think we can solve that by any of these options um so so i think we've we've gone we've skipped a step
we've stated a problem we've asked for equity we've we're stating some some optional remedies but nobody
has shown the cause of that problem with any certainty yet and i think it's very easy to prove that cause
but you have to do it mathematically and you have to do it with the people that are getting those t times
and who are being refused those t times and i have two suggestions there one is the trune go back and
tell us who's booking those t times how many t times are they getting on a daily basis are are they during
the protected period and and are is that preventing other people from getting t times in the protected
period are there 96 people 96 t times being taken by 10 or 13 of the people that prevent other people
from getting protected t times don't don't we have those numbers we have the numbers but we haven't we
haven't done the math to show that those are the people that are protecting those oh you think it's
maybe different what's the nexus yeah what's the nexus so the other thing is and i got this from talking
to my son last night about this why not use ai why can't we use ai on this seems like a great issue
for ai we've we've got the data but it takes a mathematical formula to figure out what the problem
is and it seems to me that this is perfect for ai now i can't do it but my son thinks that it's it's
okay it would be easy to do so are those that your two points at the moment um so uh
yeah so so that's what i'm saying we don't we don't have the nexus can i have a question for joe
on this subject so uh you know there's a very famous story of a german uh physicist who came to new
york during world war ii and uh was asked to analyze how to improve the airplanes uh because
uh you know people were dying planes were getting crashed and everybody was looking at the planes that
came back and he pointed out you're looking at the wrong data the planes that don't come back so the
the fact that there are terrors in the wings and the planes are landing wrong data we got to fortify
the rest of the plane because the wings will be able to fly so in this particular instance really
the question is about the data how do we have an idea of how many people log in try and make a tea time
and drop off yeah and do not okay that's that's because this question has been asked and we've gone
down this road but currently we don't have that data so we don't have the ability to analyze this data
always excuse me one second what we do have is a lot of hearsay from not hearsay people walking up to
us me included you and people you've tried to get tea times for foursomes you can't so you drop off
i do too i have the ability to play a different golf course so i don't play here but but a lot of
people don't have that ability now so the so you were going to make a comment i forgot okay does anybody
have any questions for joe while he's up no uh just uh um uh picking up on a uh comment that that joe made
and it gets to your point um council member whitman um i mean the the real crux of the problem is uh we just
don't have enough preferred tea times to satisfy the demand that's readily apparent to me and uh so you
ask yourself why well it's the best deal going and so um you know um unfortunately uh we have a tea sheet
that divides the times into three parts and um you know we we have to live with that um
and we certainly don't want to take uh tea times away from the public because the revenues that we
produce from those tea times is what really feeds the golf course in terms of the finances
uh so we can't sacrifice those so we're we're stuck with a classic adam smith supply and demand
situation and you know what if it was adam smith you know several hundred years ago what he would say is
you just charge more money you know uh uh but uh there doesn't seem to be the sentiment
uh to do that so we're at 35 off season 50 during season for tea times that are worth 200 to 350
and that's that's the problem and you know i i think one way of addressing that if i may if you
because you make a good point is proposal number four and and i think it's something we should try for
a season and we can always pull it back it does not change anything uh it allows for a 35 day walk up
i mean day you know day day of rate a 50 14 day rate and then i would add a 75 21 day rate and a
hundred dollar 30 30 day or 31 day rate to see if that would encourage more people to book tea times that
are residents of indian wells who are trying to get a foursome on a weekend in a prime slot because that
goes exactly to what you're trying to uh talk about here and we've had several proposals of uh you know
residents come in who are golfers that that have um suggested increasing the tee times the the prices on the
14 day on the walk day well you know we we've heard from a lot of residents that um they're they're
concerned about the the current rates but i think we're not here to change the rates today as is the
35 and the 50 but i would advocate that we try a 21 and 30 day uh time of 75 and 100 for a year we can
always pull it back can can i add one thing to that i don't think that that's a bad suggestion but there is
a loophole to that you may want to make those t times non-cancelable there you go um because there
will be times where people cancel and then have to get lower rate correct so you make them non-cancel
you say non-cancelable what you mean is you just forfeit your money yes if you don't show up correct
okay are you forfeiting are you forfeiting the green fee and the hundred dollars no the green fee is
a hundred dollars that's what that is okay so you'd book at a hundred dollars so if you have a foursome
that's four hundred dollars put your credit card in and boom that's it you've got to show up okay so
if we if equity is the issue i can't think of anything less equitable more inequitable then
than allowing people to buy their way onto the golf course with more money totally agree mr mr
mr yes it's it's it's my turn yet yeah please all right i first of all i i totally agree with you i
can't imagine our being able to charge a hundred dollars never mind doesn't matter there are 96
slots a day which come out to about 2800 slots a month and we have what 2500 people who have golf
who paid 50 a year for golf units so the numbers are 1200 used exactly but so we've got 2500 people
that want to play golf and we have around 2800 available slots the the most equitable easiest
simplest way of handling this is to let everybody with whether you have a 30-day booking or a 14-day
booking it doesn't matter as long as as as or or a three-day booking as apparently as in in
in the our our two neighboring cities it doesn't matter every single person gets one spot a month period
uh and that's it and unless unless there are plenty that are left over at the at the at the last three
days if if if if if the people have not used them and three days before they're still available then fine
it's completely open along with all of the other ones that are open from the from the hotels but but the
idea of somebody being able to take three four five bites of the apple means that there are three four
five people that can't but take the bite of the apple because there are a finite number of of of apples
and and and it is it is so it's just it's it's like if there are tickets or whatever you everyone gets one
uh until until until until everyone who wants one gets one and then if somebody if there are any left
over at the end fine then you can get two three or four got it and they are residents only no guests this is a
this is our private golf club for the residents it's not this is not a the the the 96 seats slots are not
public slots they are for the residents and for somebody to be able to come in and get 12 spots and only have
three residents that totally destroys the whole idea of of what's best for the residents and so
it's it's really simple we have to limit on a monthly basis the number of times that people
can use their 30 50 rate um uh except for the last three days and if whatever's left over then they
then that's it's freewheeling mr mayor can i respond yes please
the problem with that is we have 2 600 people 2 700 maybe who buy a golf card for 50 if they want to play
one time that year they have benefited they have had a resident benefit of 200 for playing that one time
and we don't have the data of knowing whether they want to play more than one time but they're getting a
great deal anyway to just play one time so you're assuming that everybody who buys a golf card wants
to play once a month no there's no evidence of i'm not assuming that at all i'm saying if they
i'm saying if they don't use it then the last three days it's open to any other resident no but we're
talking about policy here we're talking about an equity argument your your your policy your decision
that people can only have a limited number of tea times at the resident rate assumes that there is
are a lot of people who want those tea times because they bought the golf card and that that is not we
don't have data to support that but the bottom line is if they don't use it it is available 72 hours
before the event well it's not like it goes to waste it's not like we it's not like it's not like they're
going to be an empty golf course they're available we don't know that two hours ahead so we don't know
that i mean the people that are booking 14 days in advance i will say too that if you look at the
analysis these golfers this 51 of the tea times support this golf resort to the tune of about half a million
dollars that's what they pay to do to play golf here um at and and they're getting it at a reduced rate
but it's still a base and a foundation of our golf resorts business and if we turn them away
we don't know whether anybody else is going to play we're not we have no idea we're not turning them
their way they can they can go 72 hours before the event they can play as often as they want
they can play every single day if they wait and if there's anything available 72 hours before
that only answers part of the okay all right so let's all right let's let sounds to me like we
don't have a consensus to uh be able to vote on taking even an action temporary action of a one year
there's no there's no motion for any option one two three four or five here uh i think it's a different
issue uh to talk about raising rates uh it's not an equitable issue uh it's not uh you know a fairness
issue the the issue of raising rates from 50 to 60 75 for everyone is an issue of um you know policy
probably a vote by the city but uh you know i think that the uh i i because you have a situation
where there are less workers working on the golf course today than there were 10 years ago because
people are trying to trune is trying to hit their budget which is great uh the golf course in the
redesigned sand traps are made simpler so that they can be raked with a machine versus by hand
and and there are uh and you know there's less flowers on the golf courses to make them look
beautiful so you're talking about you know we're going with uh kind of a a dry grass look a brown
grass look versus a green glass look green grass is a half a million dollars we have a half a million
dollars less than in personnel that we should be adding to the golf course so you're talking about like
a million million and a half dollars here that we're not investing in the golf course uh and that's
that's a different issue i think than what we have come to the council with which is to talk about you
know equitable access to tee times or fairness i actually would advocate that experimenting with
you know a staggered tee time a tiered tee time would be able to understand we'd be able to understand
whether more people would have access but i don't think i have enough votes on the council to get
that through so let's table this conversation uh for a later date and we already have a motion that has
passed are we in agreement with that yes i so move are you so moving i second all right all those in
favor hi here we go so now we're talking about safer streets ladies and gentlemen safer streets indian
wells approval of 30 design plans dean public works director purvis please take the stand
joe please lift miss purpose but
excuse me excuse me
you can go ahead
good afternoon mayor taylor council members and residents dina purvis your public works director
i'm very excited to present to you today the 30 plans for the safer streets design please keep it down out
there a quick recap of how we got here today at the june 10th 2025 council meeting council approved the
improvement layouts that you will see today and directed staff to return to council with plans at the 30
design phase council also directed staff to combine the original two-phase project into a single phase
these plans reflect that direction in addition speed surveys were conducted and shared at the
december 2nd 2025 meeting key points to that meeting were the highest speeding frequency occurring on el dorado
drive and cook street having the highest volume of vehicles what you will see today are engineered
plans created as we progress through the design phases today we are beyond the concept stage in which
you saw the prettier pictures those concept plans told us what the people wanted and these plans help us
ensure that everything desired from the community meetings and resident feedback will fit
as design progressed slight accommodations were made to keep the project on brand and incorporate
safety concerns above ground utilities will be really relocated where possible crosswalks constructed out of
pavers turn lanes improved to accommodate commercial vehicles will lengthen merge tapers and make landscape
accommodations specific to fairway where additional right of way is necessary to accommodate a meandering sidewalk
conversations were held to help foster understanding of the final project and ensure clarity where the
city's needs were concerned staff have found willing partners in this endeavor and will continue to work with both
entities along fairway in the upcoming months it is expected that a vote of the membership for each hoa may be required
now i'm going to spend a brief amount of time on each page walking through the improvements that
were approved for design in back in june all of the pages of the plans are attached to the staff report
but the pages that you see in the presentation today are the layout pages only
you won't see any green paint here either just white starting here at the corner of cook street and fairway drive
which is up here some realignment was done to better balance the intersection you'll also notice that
the sidewalk starts a bit straight as the layout gives space to the vintage neighborhood's landscaped
frontage the care was taken not to not to affect any of the palm trees in that grove
the meandering walkway continues along fairway the approved changes to fairway included a six-foot
meandering walkway constructed of colored permeable concrete and striping on fairway for a parking
lane on the north side one lane of traffic in each direction and an eight-foot combination bike golf cart
lane i have been asked questions about how all of this would fit in this particular portion of the layout
the curb line as it is today would move south an average of four feet
so the double dash line that you see at the bottom the heavy line that's the proposed right of way
the heavier line above that that's with no dashes that is where the new curb line would be that line is south
four feet of where the curb is today another popular question has been poop bag stations for dogs
they would be relocated closer to the walkway
thank you for clarifying you're welcome
another popular question is what about the areas near the pump station walls
the walkway still fits within a meandering walkway design near the pump station
it just doesn't want to stick with me today sort of in the middle of the first of the upper
image there you'll see a pump station wall there's three circles there
and then on the lower one it's a little to the right of paradise valley road on that south side is the
other pump station wall
i would like to point out that on the north side of the street
there is no impact or any changes to resident driveways
continuing along fairway we see the treatment of driveway approaches
and i'm talking about on the south side now widening of this driveway approach that you see in the left
lower corner will allow vehicles to both ingress and egress at the same time helping to alleviate vehicle stacking on fairway
as we come to the end of fairway we pass the el dorado entrance on our way to fairway park
there is a slight realignment proposed to the striping at the el dorado fairway drive intersection as well
encouraging full stops at this intersection
so now i'm moving on to cook street
this is fairway here and this is cook going this way
cook street was approved with a road diet meaning reducing travel lanes from two to one
improvements also include a six foot meandering sidewalk on both sides of the street and an eight
foot combination bike golf cart lane with a two foot buffer
as we move along cook street we can see that the meandering sidewalk fits within the existing right
of way and turn pockets are maintained into the communities on each side
the road diet ends here returning vehicles to two lanes of traffic in each direction
once we are cleared to move ahead today staff will reach out to the new center owner to discuss
the ingress and egress to this very busy area of the shopping center
moving on to rancho palmaris this is the simplest of the improvements with striping for one lane of traffic
in each direction and a combination eight foot bike golf cart lane
also approved on rancho palmaris was a right turn and left turn pocket into casa dorado
and if approved to move forward today staff will work closely with the representatives of that
neighborhood to facilitate design completion as this is the simplest of the improvements staff could move
completion of these plans ahead of the others if so desired and this is the right turn pocket here into
el dorado so this is northbound rancho palmaris and then this is the left turn pocket from southbound
rancho palmaris into the community
creation of that left turn pocket that i just pointed at will require removal of one palm tree
the improvements on rancho palmaris end at highway 111
lastly is el dorado drive at the approved el dorado drive improvements include striping a combination
eight-foot bicycle golf cart lane in each direction and retaining two lanes of traffic in each direction
pretty simple it continues along el dorado drive we're passing osage there at the top
Also approved was a meandering sidewalk from Highway 111 to Camino Cielo on the west side of
El Dorado, terminating at the entrance of the Sundance community. It would very closely mirror
the sidewalk that's in front of Montalena. In addition, the requested northbound right turn
pocket will fit at the intersection of Highway 111 and El Dorado, so that's this right here,
and it goes all the way to the crosswalk.
Going back for a moment to the speed data that was collected last year, you will recall that El Dorado
had the highest incidence of speeders. So I was asked if a sidewalk could fit on El Dorado to remove
pedestrians from the asphalt. And that answer is yes, a sidewalk can fit. There is room enough to install
a sidewalk from the existing curb out into what is now the shoulder and still maintain two lanes.
There is also room to expand the landscaping area on both sides.
Reducing two lanes to one in each direction is one way to reduce speeds on the street. This particular
example only shows the west side of El Dorado, but the same can happen on the east side.
As a just a personal anecdote in casual discussions with residents, a number of people have approached me about having a walkway on El Dorado.
And that's just an extension of that.
So a quick recap on the money. We currently have $3.4 million in approved funding through two
programs, SB 821 and HSIP. We have also applied for CMAQ and did receive a recommended rating
on the contingency list for approximately $9 million. So what that means is that if someone higher up on the
approval list has a project that doesn't go, we are already approved for that funding. We are also
applying for this year's cycle of ATP funding. I have been asked how much it would be to just pave the
four streets. While that number is a moving target right now due to fluctuating fuel and oil prices,
$3 million is the most current estimate from the design engineer. The most current cost estimate for all of
the project together, as you see layout on these 30% plans, is just under $8 million.
After the surveying was completed, it was determined that Fairway was the only street that required
right of way. With approval today, staff will be moving ahead with conversations with all frontage
affected property owners. Landscaping meetings will be scheduled with efforts made to speak with HOA
groups while they are in residence. Staff will also move forward with completing right of way negotiations.
Plans for Fairway would not move beyond the 30% stage until consensus has been reached by all parties.
Moving ahead with that design without the consensus opens the city to design cost increases if changes are
required. Depending on today's outcome, there certainly are streets with simpler improvements whose timeline for
construction could be moved ahead. The recommendation today is to review and approve the proposed 30%
design plans or recommend any additional changes to the proposed design to advance the project forward to
completion. I'm available for any questions.
Okay, does anybody have any questions?
I have two, if I may.
Greg, please.
Can you put the Fairway
street up again?
Any particular area?
Yeah, the whole thing.
Right, there you go.
Okay, can you show us where the property line is between El Dorado Country Club and the vintage?
Green dot on the big screen?
Roughly over here. The green dot is on the big screen here.
It also shows up on the little screen.
Does it really?
Yeah, amazing.
Oh, can you see that?
It's roughly right around here.
So I need the full street all the way to Cook.
I only have that in the beginning one with all four, like this.
Okay, that doesn't work.
Go back to the section that shows just the vintage frontage.
At their entrance?
Yes.
Okay.
How much of the sidewalk is inside the existing city right-of-way?
Here, a very small amount.
Okay.
Only where it...
So this heavier line here shows you where we would like to have right-of-way.
This shorter line here, or lighter line here, shows you where the existing right-of-way is.
So this area is currently owned by the city. This area is not.
Okay.
All right, thank you. And then can you go to El Dorado?
The country club or the city street?
The street. Thank you.
So you mentioned a golf cart line. I didn't hear you mention a pedestrian area in the street.
Are you talking about painting or sidewalks?
Painting.
I did not mention a pedestrian area in the street for the project.
It is where people walk now.
But it is not...
There will be no pictures of people painted on the street with the golf and bike cart lane.
So there's no separate striped area for pedestrians to walk?
No, sir.
Okay. Just a comment. To me, that's not consistent with safer streets.
But I'll get to that later. Thank you.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, isn't that why you suggest the possibility of putting in a sidewalk?
Sidewalk.
Sidewalk.
Yes, sir.
Because of that.
But the...
Exactly.
And so I'll get to it later.
All right. Any other questions?
I do. I do.
I do.
So we now have to be ADA compliant with Fairway Park?
Yes.
Okay.
So with that, if you don't have ingress or egress or a sidewalk, we'll be in compliance,
but with no access.
Because there's no parking there.
You can't park on...
I mean, you can park on the street, but maybe a few cars.
But if you're going to use the park as is intended, and there's not a sidewalk there to get to it,
and you are in a wheelchair...
So if you are...
That's complicated.
Okay.
As the plans are currently approved, if you are looking for ADA access from the south side of Fairway Drive,
you will be able to take a surface, a pedestrian surface that you can roll on across the street,
and there will be ADA ramps to get you to the park.
But only from Fairway Drive.
Only from Fairway Drive, as we show here.
And not Fairway Drive East, and not El Dorado, as it's in its current state, as you have presented here.
Correct.
Any other questions?
If we approve this plan today, we'd be able to get started.
I will return to design very quickly.
Thank you.
And get it moved for you.
Sure.
So the other point that I think is worth emphasizing publicly is that if we were to
repave these streets and not do any sidewalks, that would cost about $4 million.
The last estimate I got from the engineer this morning, the design engineer, was $3 million.
Okay.
So $3 million.
And then we have $4 million in grants, roughly?
You're going back to the financing page.
We have $3.4 right now.
And that money is specific to improvements.
Right.
So that's $6.4, right?
Yes.
And so you're talking about another million and a half to build sidewalks on Cook, Fairway, and El Dorado, or is El Dorado not included in that 7.9 number?
El Dorado is not included.
And so if we included El Dorado, what would that be?
$9 million?
Probably another million.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So if I could clarify, the 3.4, the grants approved, are for improvements like sidewalk, like bike lanes.
They are not for paving.
For paving.
Correct.
Okay.
Got it.
And then the grants that have been approved expire, I believe.
They certainly will.
By the end of this year?
We have just requested an extension to 2028.
Okay.
The first ones expire in 2027.
Okay.
Thank you.
Brian?
Mr. McCarthy, how much money do we have set aside for paving that's already earmarked for if we did nothing?
Besides fix the deferred maintenance that we have in front of us today?
Three and a half million?
Or three million?
Four million?
Honorable mayor and members of the council.
Mayor Pro Tempena, would you repeat your question?
I was doing some work.
Oh, yes.
My question is, is we've prepared for the deferred maintenance on the streets, fairway,
Rancho Palm Maris and Cook.
How much money do we have earmarked to date for those projects if we did not move forward with safer
streets?
So what we have earmarked in your city budget currently adopted is $7,550,000.
Of that, $5,250,000 of that is funded through the city cash program are our funds.
Currently, we have essentially $2,000,000 that was grants at the time.
Now, Ms. Purvis just mentioned, since this was adopted, she's been a miracle worker, I would suggest,
and getting additional grant funds for that, which will help to lower our city portion of the cost.
But generally speaking, you have $7.7 million.
Okay.
So without getting my calculator, it appears that we're very close to budget if we move forward with safer streets.
You mean funding 100%?
Funding it.
Funding it 100%.
Yeah.
Not only are we very close to budget, I would say that Ms. Purvis has done a far better job than what this
is original plan because we're using more grant money than what we anticipated.
Okay.
Thank you.
That needs to be said.
Okay.
Any other questions?
Yeah.
My question is that for that $7.7 million that we have earmarked for repaving or for deferred maintenance,
is that only for the four streets that we're talking about now or does that include other streets?
No, that's specifically for the street program.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
Safer streets.
I have one more question.
Please.
Sure.
So the estimate just kind of spitballing for a sidewalk on El Dorado is $1 million.
Again, right off the top of your head,
how much would it cost to extend the landscaping on each side and put the sidewalk in the extended
landscaping on the west side?
The cost is minimal there because you are already expanding for the sidewalk.
So the landscaping will fit where you have expanded for your sidewalk.
But you'll have to put a new curb on each side.
Yes.
But you would with sidewalk anyway.
Because the intent is to move it out into the travel lanes.
So landscaping is really the added cost.
Is that a yes?
I'm sorry.
Yes.
Thank you.
Anybody else?
Any questions?
Do we then have a crosswalk across Osage?
No.
There's a sidewalk on the-
Include a crosswalk at Osage.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
My next question is, in three months, correct me if I'm wrong, we had 100,000 cars on fairway drive.
Is it 92,000?
Does that sound about right?
It's roughly 30,000 to 36,000.
I want to say it was about 30,000.
Okay.
January, February, and March.
Okay.
So if we do, we're doing road, right now it's presented, road diet is on cook.
Yes.
One animal size.
And if, with that amount of volume, that volume will not use cook, probably not use cook because it's going to be on a road diet.
It will all funnel down to El Dorado.
So if we do nothing with El Dorado, as far as a road diet, we're not going to mitigate any of this volume that we're experiencing now or future mitigation.
Certainly, when we did our volume study in September, we took counts on all those side roads because we understood that whatever changes may be made with this project, it's going to change how people drive.
So we want to be able to compare what happens in the future to what happened before.
Okay.
Thank you.
Are there any other questions?
I think we're good.
So let's open up to public comment.
Do we have public comment?
Yes.
I have one.
Martin Lacks.
Martin Lacks.
Number three appearance today.
Come on down.
Come on.
There's got to be other comments in here on safer streets.
I can wear a different hat.
Martin Lacks on Via Corona.
Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council.
Several points.
First, let's just say something that's off my script.
This morning we, or this morning, this earlier this afternoon, we heard from Deputy, I didn't catch his last name, speed's not an issue.
How many times do I have to say that?
And then maybe now, maybe I have to put on an outfit for you to believe it, but it's the case.
And what happened in December, that wasn't a report showing at that speed.
That was an incomplete report if you remember what happened in December.
But let me just get to my points.
As far as the crosswalks, I think that whatever crosswalks the city does with the country clubs, they should do it in the ungated areas as well.
So we have symmetry and it looks right, so on and so forth.
I don't like the striping.
The striping looks terrible.
So since we're talking about paving, I am concerned about drainage.
And there's been no sort of overall thinking about these kind of issues.
My lot on Via Corona collects a lot of water on any regular rain.
And during that big tropical storm we had, it was horrible.
I mean, we were dumping trash barrels filled with water.
I actually put gutters and divert the water as much as I can across the side of my house.
Still, water gets up to my patio.
And it's not just me.
It's also my neighbor.
Some of us have put sump pumps.
So whatever we do on El Dorado in terms of paving and whatever else we do there, let's think about drainage and probably not just on my street but other streets too.
It came to me that when you're talking about the road diet on Cook, you're going to funnel the traffic down Fairway, down El Dorado.
It's been terrible lately.
I think that all three streets should be single lane.
And since we talked about we here across sidewalk, I can't tell you how much I'm against it.
Not everyone is, but I am.
And I know many others are.
And we went through what, Council Member Whitman, 28?
This is our 30.
30.
Wonderful.
But who's counting?
But who's counting?
So, you know, sidewalk has been debated, discussed, and we're against it.
Any other comments?
Thank you very much for your insights.
All right.
Does anybody else?
Yes, we have another comment.
Please, come on up.
Thank you.
Thank you, Marcy Maxwell.
And I'm a homeowner and I live in the Cove at Indian Wells off of Cook Street, also a homeowner in Dorado Villas and a board member of the Dorado Villas HOA.
I'm really pleased we've come to this point.
And I'm hoping that you will all vote yes in favor of this good decision.
I think it's all about improving the quality of life.
We have a lot of folks here in the lovely weather that we have that enjoy walking and it's good for their health.
And, you know, when you started this project, we kind of started even watching more and more.
And you see how many people really are, you know, walking and enjoying a walk, people of all ages.
And I want to make sure that we are sharing the road with people that walk and they can walk safely.
So the pedestrian access with sidewalks, especially on Cook Street and Fairway, with the amount of the volume of cars that come there, is a really important decision.
And, again, it really is about quality of life.
And I think it's a great investment.
I think it's good for our property values and it's good for the lifestyle we know I attract here in the reason people live here, which is to be outside.
So thank you very much for, I'm hoping, a decision that you will all make.
Thank you, Marcy.
Thank you.
Anybody else have any public comment, whether you've put a blue slip or not in?
Okay.
Now we bring it back.
For a motion.
Does anybody have a motion?
I have a motion.
Can I ask a question first?
Sure.
Before we get to a motion.
A motion creates deliberation.
This is for our public works director.
So along a stretch of the west side of El Dorado, there's a fairly significant elevation change between the street, then the landscaping, and then the elevation of the lots that back up to that portion of El Dorado.
You don't have to be a geotechnical engineer to observe that there's a lot of erosion going on to the point where, at some point, the block walls along that stretch of El Dorado are going to be undermined and those walls will be in danger of collapse.
So in connection with, let's say, putting in a sidewalk, would you consider putting a retaining wall there to protect the integrity of those lots?
The cost that I quoted today does include retaining wall.
It does?
Yes.
Excellent.
Very good.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
I have one question.
The pavement.
Is it going to be a repaving or are you going to slurry?
Sorry.
Important question.
Three out of the four streets will require grind and overlay.
El Dorado is in good enough shape for slurry.
Oh.
Aren't you lucky?
That's too bad.
I have a question.
Please.
Will bicycles be prohibited on the sidewalks?
The walkway paths' width was made six feet to discourage bicycles from being on the pathway.
But can we prohibit bicycles?
Maybe this is a legal question.
That's a policy issue.
Or a legal question.
Legal.
First of all, are we allowed to prohibit bicycles on sidewalks?
Mayor and counsel, I defer to the sheriff.
I think they know when they can give a ticket.
And when they can't.
Sheriff has left the building.
They left the building.
So there goes my scapegoat.
Okay.
Just fine.
Thanks.
I think we talked about this earlier today in a separate meeting.
And I believe the answer is bicycles are not allowed on sidewalks.
But there is a unwritten policy of not reciting tickets for bicyclists who bicycle on sidewalks.
Okay.
All right.
So do I have a motion?
Yes.
I'd like to propose a motion.
My motion is to accept as presented Cook.
To accept as presented Fairway Drive.
To accept as presented Rancho Palmaris.
And to accept El Dorado with some changes.
The changes I would like to add to this motion are to bring it down to one lane each way.
All the way to Osage.
Extend the curb out away from the east side.
And add landscaping and drainage.
On the west side, add a meandering sidewalk that will connect to Fairway Park.
And go all the way down El Dorado.
To connect to where I guess where Sundance is.
Build.
Include the retaining wall.
And that curb will be extended out away from the west side to give those residents a buffer.
And then additionally all of the crosswalks to have decorative paving.
Do I have a second for that?
Second the motion.
All the crosswalks to have decorative paving.
To match the entrance on Cook at the shopping center all the way up to Vintage.
And then so those are all matching.
So all crosswalks would be consistent.
Yes.
Pavers.
Yeah.
Has it been moved in a second?
It has been.
Okay.
I cannot at this point even remotely agree to one lane in each direction on El Dorado.
We're talking about El Dorado, right?
Yes.
Okay.
The traffic right now is getting larger and larger and larger every month at least anyway.
I'm sure it will back off at the summertime.
In one lane, you're not going to be able to get through 111 with one circle of light.
I mean, you got to have more.
You can't have one lane.
May I interrupt you for one second?
The one lane will end at Osage and open up after Osage.
So you're only...
Right now it's almost...
Right now it's one lane basically halfway down.
So it's just a little bit more.
So you're going to take the one lane from Fairway Drive to Osage.
And then it will open up to two lanes again.
So it won't disrupt Sundance or Montelina.
So I believe your concerns have been met.
It's not going to go the whole way.
Why not do it at all?
Because we're trying to mitigate all the volume that we have now.
Well, the volume will be mitigated if we enforce...
If we have no commercial vehicles on Fairway and enforce it, I mean, at least half of the vehicles...
Well, that's an exaggeration.
A third of the vehicles are commercial vehicles.
I totally agree with you.
And if we eliminate that, that's a third.
They're gone.
Well, we've been at this, I mean, for the better of three and a half years.
And with all the data and all the community outreach and all the meetings, it's just been countless.
If we road diet Cook Street, it's going to take everybody down Fairway Drive all the way from Portola to El Dorado.
And if El Dorado is wide open, that's where they're going to funnel out.
They are not going to go down Cook.
I can guarantee that right now.
And they don't use Rancho Palmaris because the signal takes forever.
So this is what we're dealing with today.
And Greg Sanders, if you could opine on this, I would appreciate it.
Yeah.
I wish we had discussed this.
I mean, just to throw this out at quarter after five.
This is not new, Dana.
And you've had this material for two weeks.
A single lane on El Dorado?
It's only a little bit more.
It's been discussed.
It really has.
It has been discussed ad infinitum.
But anyway, Greg, you were going to say.
And obviously rejected because it never made it until today.
Well, this has been a work in progress for a long time.
So look, this is a Rubik's Cube.
It begins with the 1960s and the major mistakes that were made by the planners back then who approved subdivision maps that resulted in the traffic circulation pattern that we have here in Indian Wells.
It's terrible.
It's terrible.
It's terrible.
It's terrible.
And we are now paying the price for having a very dysfunctional traffic circulation system.
So we have to look at innovative ways to take the stress off of the traffic circulation pattern that we have in the residential areas.
El Dorado.
How long is El Dorado from Toscana to Fairway?
A mile?
A mile.
We have a virtual Caltrans standard four-lane divided highway from Toscana to Fairway.
It makes no sense.
It's ridiculous.
I defy you to find other neighborhoods in high-quality cities like Indian Wells where you have a four-lane divided highway going right through the middle of a residential neighborhood.
It's a problem.
Okay.
Now, what we've got is a real exacerbation to the problem.
We have CV sync on Highway 111 designed to make it possible to go from Coachella to Palm Springs without ever hitting a red light.
It doesn't work, in my opinion, number one.
And number two, what's happening is the delays for people who are trying to get onto 111 from the neighborhood surrounding El Dorado and Rancho Palmares and Cook Street.
The delays are such that people who want to go westbound are just going the other direction.
They'll go south to Fairway and on to Fairway, and they'll take Fairway into Palm Desert.
That's what happens when human beings get behind the wheel.
They're smart.
And now, bus drivers who are taking people from off-site to the tennis garden, for example, they think the same way.
So now we've got a real problem with buses on Fairway.
What I have proposed at the public safety committee meeting yesterday is that we hire a consultant to tell us what is wrong with CV link through Indian Wells.
And what can we do to prevent the unintended consequences of CV sync from pouring all of this traffic into our residential neighborhoods?
Okay.
That's a great point.
But can we stay on point here?
Well, it gets to putting El Dorado on a road diet.
And creating sidewalks.
What's that?
And creating sidewalks.
Yeah.
Narrowing it down to one lane.
Correct.
Right.
Okay.
Thank you for the point.
Are there any other points?
Yeah.
I mean, I know this is not going to pass, but I have to make a substitute motion that we approve staff recommendation as recommended with no amendment other than the sidewalk on El Dorado.
Dana?
Dana?
Could I ask you?
It's been 32 times and we came up with this without going to one lane, without a sidewalk in El Dorado.
And I can tell you, I don't remember all the reasons why.
Why didn't we?
Do you remember why we didn't agree to have a single lane each way and no sidewalk in El Dorado?
What is the reason not to do this?
If you know what I'm asking.
I don't know that there's a reason not to do it.
I'm just saying that it wasn't, this has not been, I had no idea that this was coming.
Right.
Neither did I.
I agree.
And it's 20 minutes after five.
And it's a major, major decision affecting my country club and everyone else in the neighborhood.
And I just don't like the idea of being sprung on at the last minute.
Okay.
To be honest with you.
I don't think, I mean, you have the votes.
Go ahead and pass it.
But I need to, I need to.
No, I'm with you.
I want to know what is the reason.
The reason why.
Because you've explained a reason is that it would affect the people that live in the neighborhood
who use the two lanes either way to get easier ingress and egress out in and out of the neighborhood.
But wait, can I, can I speak please?
Okay.
Let's break this down.
If, if, if you don't do a row diet on El Dorado, you cannot do a row diet on cook street.
You can't, you can't do one without.
Of course you can.
No, you can't.
We are, we are going to create the biggest.
You mean we shouldn't?
We shouldn't.
Okay.
We can't do it, but we shouldn't.
We can, but I'm speaking as you don't want it.
So if we.
No, no, no, no, no.
I have no idea whether I want it or not.
Okay.
Gentlemen, this, this conversation is going back and forth.
Do I hear a second to Dana's motion?
I do not.
So let's go back to the original motion.
I think it's time we have a call to question here.
I think we should do a vote and we should do roll call on proceeding with Brian's motion.
If we want to repeat it, we can, which is basically to approve sidewalks on cook on fairway on El Dorado, and then paint striping on Rancho Las Palmas as directed by the staff.
That's the motion on the table.
That's what we're going to vote on, right?
One sidewalk on El Dorado.
That's on the west side.
That's what we're voting on.
Okay.
Let's do a roll call, please.
Council Member Whitman?
Yes.
Council Member Reed?
Abstain.
Council Member Sanders?
Yes.
Mayor Pro Tempena?
Yes.
Mayor Taylor?
Yes.
All right.
Let's move on to the next subject.
We've got fairway park improvements.
Community Development Director Berg, you're back in front of the mic.
Are we going to put a cell phone tower on the fairway park?
I'm sorry.
I couldn't help myself.
I'm so sorry.
It's a little early for that.
So sorry.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Director Berg.
You've been thinking about that for two hours.
Only two?
Go ahead.
Okay.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Yes.
And Council Members.
John Burr, your Community Development Director.
Before you is a proposal to do some improvements to Fairway Park.
Fairway Park, as you know, is our only public park in the city.
And it was a strategic goal announced at the last strategic council meeting
that to work with the previous or the original park designer,
Herman Design Group, to come up with some ways to improve shade in the park
and also maybe some other amenities to provide access to areas in the park.
So I'll go through them really quickly here.
So I'll go through them really quickly here.
This is a picture of the existing park.
We do have the central turf area you can see there.
It's surrounded by a set of palm trees, a circle of palms, if you will,
and doesn't provide much shade onto the turf area there.
There are some existing seating areas, as shown in the red arrows.
And you can see there's a circular or semicircular walkway up in the front,
linking from El Dorado to Fairway Park.
As an opportunity to improve access to the benches and the seating areas,
we're proposing to include a semicircular sidewalk or walkway that goes around the perimeter of the park.
It would provide access to the benches there,
and also to infill the circle of palms with some new tree specimens.
And also you can see in the foreground there of the turf area,
there's a proposal to put maybe two new shade trees in there as well.
Here we saw an opportunity to include some mosaic art pieces,
and you can see there that we would maybe use the logo for the arrowhead,
the Indian Wells arrowhead, shown embedded into or inlaid into the sidewalk
or any other type of mosaic art that you would desire.
This is concept 1B.
It basically takes the first concept and adds a link down here at the bottom
so you have an enclosed circular walkway so that, as was mentioned, I think by Marcy earlier,
that there's an opportunity for safe walking here.
And here, by creating this link, would create a pathway that residents can go out
and do walking on site without actually entering the roadway,
and they could visit friends or whatnot.
Concept number one in summary is eight new trees located within the circle of palms
and in the lawn area.
We would provide the new walkway around the perimeter.
There would be extensions of that walkway to the landing areas for the benches,
and that's basically the number one.
Through the magic of Herman Design Group, we're going to show you a quick video so you can take a spin around the park.
This is the new walkway showing nice lush landscaping on both sides, retaining boulder walls there,
providing access to the benches there for ADA as well,
and going back out into the main grass area here.
And real quickly, what this video shows is kind of a time lapse of the day
and how the shade would move across the park to show the benefit of the new trees there.
Concept number two just takes basically those existing bench areas and moves them into the front of the park,
on the shoulders, if you will.
And it would add three new trees, two on the little wedge-shaped lawn area there,
and another one around the perimeter of the park.
And basically, you're looking at making little plazas here for seating areas,
not extending a semicircular walkway around the park,
but here's a quick video of that.
And this one would include having portable temporary shade structures,
if you so desire to include those as well.
And again, here is a quick video of what that would look like,
and zooming out to see how the shade would time lapse across the park
with the additional trees and the shade structures.
So an alternative that wasn't presented in your staff report,
but was brought to us by the Herman Design Group,
was the suggestion that you could move the seating up into the front
where the wedge-shaped lawn area is and just kind of pave that over.
And I create kind of a new seating area in the front there as an alternative
with a more permanent type of shade structure in that location.
And just looking at the time lapse to see how the shade moves.
There you go.
So staff is seeking council's direction on the preferred concept and design elements.
Concept plan number one, which included the walkway around the perimeter,
is between $150,000 to $200,000.
Concept plan number 1B, which was just extending that walkway in the front
and creating a continuous loop,
would be about a $200,000 to $250,000 expenditure.
And concept number two, which is just moving the seating into the front area there,
and I think this would be consistent with the alternative concept
that we described from Herman Design Group with the paving of the front,
would be between $160,000 and $175,000.
It is at the council's discretion if you'd like to include lighting there.
We did propose moving some of the bollards into other locations,
but if you wanted to improve the lighting for the walkways,
you could add additional bollards.
That might require additional expenditure.
So with that, we're looking for, well, I'm available for any questions,
but we're looking for direction from council on what the best alternatives
would be for moving forward with these improvements.
Does anybody have any questions?
Okay.
Does anybody in the audience have any questions?
Public comment?
Yes, I have Martin Lacks.
Mr. Lacks, number four.
Martin Lacks, via Corona.
Prairie Park is supposed to be a passive park,
and that's what us residents in the neighborhood expected to remain.
So I question what we really have to do, what we don't have to do.
I don't know if all of you know, but I'm a master gardener.
I went through programs, and I like trees.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
I say that because I'm not against ideas of that,
but I am opposed to anything that changes the character of it being a passive park.
Certainly, the artificial structures, that's not in keeping.
And I wish we never had this park, as you all know, but we're going to live with it.
So I just ask you not to make this a destination point other than it being a passive in character.
That was well said.
Thank you very much.
Well, appreciate that.
Are there any other public comments?
Okay.
Coming back to us to have a motion.
Motion for option number one.
Second.
Second the motion.
Do you want to have any discussion, or do we want to vote?
Vote.
Let's vote.
Can we just clarify?
Option number one has one and one B, and I showed you that it was a continuous circle around the park,
or just a semicircle?
Semicircle.
Semicircle?
The original one.
The right, yeah.
Okay.
Wait, wait.
If I see anything I did at all, it was a one and one B.
Okay.
This would be one B showing the continuous circle around the park so that you could go out and walk.
Is that one or one B?
Which one is that?
That's one B, and one is this one here, this one.
That's very confusing.
This is one.
The difference is that you see the yellow line doesn't connect at the bottom.
There's no sidewalk that continues.
So if you were going to walk around the park, you would have to do kind of a zigzag in there.
It goes 300 degrees versus 360 degrees.
Thank you, Dr. Taylor.
That's one.
That's one, and one B just connects the dots.
Do you understand?
No.
Now show us what one B looks like.
Okay.
So this is one.
Oh, okay, fine.
One B is that.
Okay.
One.
One A.
One A.
One.
All right.
Just one.
All right.
That's the motion on the table.
Yeah.
That's the motion.
Okay.
All those in favor?
Aye.
Aye.
Passes unanimously.
Thank you very much.
Mr. City Attorney, may I add to the motion on safer streets that we, is it too late to add
a brief amendment that says the entire cost will not exceed $10 million before coming back
to this council?
There might be people here that were here for that item that left.
So it's not possible.
When they thought that the item was done.
I think you could do a motion to reconsider.
That gets complicated.
Well, it's coming back anyway.
It's, could we maybe save it for the next time it comes back?
No problem.
Thank you.
Just keep it simple.
Let's keep it simple.
Let's move on to the next.
We're talking about IE4 at this point.
Council Ad Hoc Committee Update on Historic Neighborhood Recognition Program.
I believe this is you, Dr. Friedland?
That's presenting?
Actually, we have representatives from New Wales Preservation Foundation will be doing that.
I can just do a brief introduction and say that the city council formed an ad hoc committee
with Council Member Sanders and Mayor Pro Tempena.
Come on up.
Come on up, Kevin.
To look at a neighborhood recognition program.
And Kevin Mead from the New Wales Preservation Foundation has been tasked by the group to make
their presentation.
Thank you, City Manager Freeland.
My name is Kevin Mead.
I'm the Vice President of the Indy Wells Preservation Foundation.
I'm hoping to make this just a little bit lighter and a little bit more celebratory than
tea times and maybe the safer streets discussion.
But I first want to just on behalf of the Preservation Foundation, thank you, Mayor Taylor.
Thank you, City Council members.
Thank you, staff.
And thank you for some of our residents that are still here from a couple of these communities
that we want to celebrate.
I also want to just give a shout out to our ad hoc committee.
Thank you to Mayor Pro Tempena, Councilman Sanders, and also our president, Linda Blank.
Appreciate your faith, your persistence, your guidance through this process.
It's been kind of a deliberate and measured process.
And we tried to make it as inclusive as we possibly could.
What I want to do is just briefly frame the Neighborhood Recognition Program.
I think you've gotten a packet of information on it.
Talk a little bit about the two communities that we want to designate as being historically relevant
and give you a little history on those communities so you understand why we've selected those.
And talk a little bit also about how we're going to do it.
By formally recognizing our ungated historic neighborhoods, the city really has a meaningful opportunity
to foster a deeper and broader appreciation for the origins and the evolution of Indian wells.
These neighborhood developments are more than just streets of beautiful homes.
They reflect timeless elements of mid-century design, the vision of early developers, builders,
architects, and actually the people that just came here to work and play and just be a part of the community.
I want to first just point out that it's really important to recognize that this is a recognition program.
And that is a little bit different than a designation program.
Recognition more or less meaning non-regulatory, unencumbered, a celebration of these communities.
The designation label brings up images of formal policies, ordinances, restrictions that you can do and cannot do.
But this initiative is really about honoring and celebrating, not restricting.
Why does this matter?
Well, together are these four neighborhood communities that we've selected,
two of which we're going to try and move forward on with your hopefully positive vote.
They really reflect the formative period of Indian wells.
This is when ungated areas of Indian wells were sand dunes.
They were agricultural fields.
And can I, can I, I apologize.
Can I, I don't want to tread on your feet here.
But we as a council have all received the materials and we've reviewed them.
So may I ask that rather, rather than context, we just kind of show us what it is you'd like us to actually vote on.
Is that okay?
Would that be okay for the moment?
And then we can ask questions.
Would you like me to go through the neighborhood history or not?
No, just, let's just go right to the street signs that you, yeah, that would be great.
All right.
Thank you very much.
I know it's getting late in the day.
Well, you know, we've, we've done our homework.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I apologize for interrupting a well thought out presentation, but we've seen it.
Let's jump to this.
This is where you want to go.
Yes.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, the street sign blades are really the way that we thought we designate these communities.
And our analog for this really, the closest thing we have is the 25 different communities in Palm Springs that have more or less through their one PS program have adopted these street signs, street, street sign toppers.
Uh, and so we wanted to take the original logos of these communities, desert Bel Air in Indian Wells village and incorporate that into the blade, but keep the blade itself conforming, keep the contour of it consistent.
Uh, I know that's up to the city.
Where would they go?
I mean, which, which on fairway, which ones are desert Bel Air and which ones are Indian Wells village?
Let me, let me just quickly go back.
I can do the map.
So, uh, you can see here, um, the four communities, El Dorado Palms to the east.
And then we have desert Bel Air on the corner of El Dorado and fairway.
Uh, we, then we have Rancho Palmaris, which would be another targeted.
And then over in the upper, uh, side of the slide there, we have, uh, Indian Wells village.
There's also another area in between desert Bel Air and, uh, Rancho Palmaris that we're investigating right now to be a potential fifth entrant to this.
So that's.
And the concept is to put these, uh, signs, if you will, above existing.
Street signs.
Street signs.
Yes.
Not adding new street signs.
Just, just, just adding.
Okay.
Just to showcase the community by, by placing them on top of existing streets.
And, and do you have a cost estimate?
Um, we do, I think it was in the packet.
Apparently there in the staff part is a budget of 50,000 for the two neighborhoods in, in total.
For the four areas?
For, uh, no, for the two areas.
Which two?
Um, what's being proposed is desert Bel Air and Inuel's village.
$50,000 for those two?
Yes.
Well, there's multiple signs.
There's multiple signs.
There's signs.
It's wherever there's a street sign in that area.
There will be an additional.
How many street signs are in those two areas?
Like, do we have that number?
I didn't see that in the presentation.
I'm sure if we have that number available today.
Okay.
We've identified the streets.
Is $50,000 the expected cost?
Or is that just a budget number?
That's a budget right here.
That's just a budget number that you, I mean, so it could be significantly less.
It certainly can.
Okay, fine.
Is, is there any reason we can't just approve it?
Well, I want to ask you.
Can I ask this question?
Wait.
I want to ask one question.
There's no reason why you can't approve it.
Well, in that case.
Is this for, is this for four areas or two areas?
Would we be voting for two areas or for four areas?
Two.
So where is Indian Wells Village?
That's the pump.
That's Miles and Warners.
And I'm curious as to why we're doing two versus the four.
Why don't we do four?
Yeah.
I can explain that.
We selected these two because there was outreach that was made, particularly Desert Bel Air, where there might have been a little controversy.
And we wanted to make sure the residents supported.
But Council Member Reed, if you want to do all four, we can.
No, let's do the two and see how they look.
And if we like it, if we can always add to it.
And then we double back and we'll-
Is there emotion?
Yes.
Can we take a public comment there?
Do we have a public comment?
Yes.
I apologize.
Yes.
Okay.
So thank you for your presentation.
Take yes for an answer.
Do we have a public comment?
Yes, I have three.
Okay.
Martin Lacks followed by Sheldon Anderson.
All right, Martin, come on up.
Number five.
I apologize for not opening this to the public.
Do you support or oppose the motion?
I oppose it, but I don't oppose it.
I am in support of it as long as we do our historic-
It matches what we've done in history.
And I think you're right.
Once you choose two, you're choosing all four or five.
So I think that it's a whole package.
I think it would be inconsistent not to do them all.
Well, what if we don't like it?
This way, we've only spent a little bit of money
instead of a whole $50,000.
Anyway, your point is let's do them all at the same time.
That is.
Thank you very much.
The next comment from the public.
While he's walking up, Martin Lacks did make a good point.
And that is, I have gotten a lot of feedback
that the signs should be historically correct.
That is, you know, not modernized.
The lettering should be consistent with the lettering
that was used for the advertising, et cetera.
Is that what you're looking for, Martin?
Yes.
Okay, thank you.
Go ahead.
My name's Sheldon Anderson.
Thank you, Sheldon.
And I live in Desert Bel Air.
I just want you guys to know that this was really a grassroots process
that when I did the research on my home
and found out about the developer, Phil Mark Crank,
who was the one who built my home,
and that he developed Desert Bel Air.
So you support the motion.
I support it.
And one other thing, when I came up with this idea,
I did some research on toppers.
I'm in construction.
And they weren't that expensive.
So I was kind of surprised with the $50,000 line number.
Excellent.
Thank you very much.
You know, at a certain point, if people are in favor of this,
take yes for an answer.
So is there a third comment?
Trisha Cole?
Come on up, Trisha.
I'm still here.
Yay!
Yeah.
Thank you, council members.
This is your first city council meeting.
I'm Trisha Cole.
I'm the president of Indian Wells Village number three.
And one through five are the originals that were there since the late 50s.
Third generation.
There's a lot of us that are third and fourth generation homeowners there.
And we all approve.
And we're hoping that we move forward on this.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
Okay.
Are there any more public comment?
Now we're coming back.
Do we have a motion to approve these two recommended areas?
So moved.
Second.
Okay.
Can we vote, please?
All those in favor?
I have an alternate motion.
I don't see why we don't do all four.
I see.
I second that.
All right.
An alternate motion is on the table to do all four areas.
I'm going to vote no.
I mean, let's make sure we want to do this before we spend all the whole $50,000.
But that's all right.
Okay.
We have a motion and a second on the table.
Let's vote for all four areas first.
Let's do a roll call then, please, Madam Clerk.
All four areas.
Councilmember Whitman?
Yes.
Councilmember Reed?
I hate to vote no, but no.
Councilmember Sanders?
Yes.
Mayor Pro Tempena?
Yes.
Mayor Taylor?
Yes.
Let's go to the next item, please.
Mayor and Council, it's come to my attention that the city hasn't yet spoken with those other
two yet.
Can we maybe adjust the...
Subject to a positive response from the areas?
Maybe what we interpret the motion that just passed as authorization for staff to move forward
with those other two if they successfully negotiate an agreement with those other two.
Excellent idea.
Or support.
So what did we do with the other two?
I don't understand.
With who?
Well, maybe negotiate's a bad...
It's a bad way for me to phrase it.
Well, if I can clarify, it's my understanding from Representatives and E.O.S. Preservation Foundation,
they have support for the two communities.
The other two communities, they're still talking to residents there and haven't gotten clear
support that this program is one in those two areas.
I have a suggestion, a way out of the woods.
I think most people would want to see what the signs look like.
Those should come back for City Council final approval.
If there's a bunch of blowback from one or both of these other communities, we can always
take them off the table.
Well, we've approved already that the four areas can get signs.
And I think the request is simply to say, as we roll them out, let's get positive feedback
from the Area 3 and Area 4.
And if there is pushback, then bring it back to City Council.
I think that was what Greg said.
I know it's not what Greg said, but we had already approved.
Do we need another motion?
Well, so do we want to...
I mean, if we put a fight or a fight on it?
Yeah, I think we're getting hung up on a technicality here.
We can approve something on Monday and we can disapprove it on Tuesday.
I mean, we have that...
I understand.
So do you wish not to approve them to proceed?
No.
So what I'm suggesting is that most of the people that I have spoken with want to make
sure that the blades are historically correct in terms of logos, lettering, that sort of thing.
That they reflect what was advertised for these communities when they were developed.
And so to make sure that we have that kind of consistency, we have the staff bring back to us
the designs for the blades.
That'll take a while.
In the meantime, we can go out to these other two communities.
And if there's significant opposition in these other two communities, we can just take them
off of the...
Okay.
Are you...
But are the two areas, are the blades as you're referring to them, are they historically
accurate and can they proceed with those two?
Haven't seen them yet.
Oh, the first two?
The first two areas.
We should have a final look to make sure that they are consistent with what the advertising
is.
So I am correct in that you want to, you would like to retreat, retract the vote and say
all of this is subject to approval of the designs of the signs.
That's what I'm hearing.
Yeah.
And if there is blowback on Rancho Palmares and the fourth neighborhood, the neighborhood,
yeah, that, you know, we can always say, well, okay, we won't proceed with those two neighborhoods.
Gentlemen, this is your motions.
Do you want to...
What would you like to do here?
Well, I just want to know.
I mean, I don't understand what's happened in the other neighborhoods.
Did we do a survey?
Did we do a door-to-door?
I mean, what are we talking about here?
What kind of approvals do you have from these two other neighborhoods?
I mean...
We didn't go out and go knocking on every door.
Or...
I think the best way to do this...
Do you want to come up?
Do you have a...
No, but I think really the best way to do this, we already know that any of those villages
and Desert Bel Air are a go.
Let's just do them.
That is my motion.
Right.
And then we'll bring back the others because this is way too...
Good or not.
...related.
Yeah, good or not.
So let's go with Dana's original motion and strike the other motion.
Okay.
So first, I think we have to vote to...
Let's just have a motion to reconsider.
Yeah.
Motion to reconsider.
Is it seconded?
Is there a second to reconsider?
So I can't make the motion or second.
Okay.
Would you please second my motion?
Okay.
All those in favor of...
Aye.
Aye.
Okay.
No.
Okay.
Four to one.
No.
It passes.
Now, we're going to have a new motion on the table.
I move.
We authorize...
We approve staff recommendation for the two areas.
Areas.
Second of motion.
Second of motion.
All those in favor?
Aye.
Aye.
Aye.
Okay.
Now, you've got two out of four and you'll come back.
You'll come back.
All right.
There you go.
Now, we're going on to the 60th anniversary ad hoc committee update.
I believe...
Yes.
But it's probably almost the 60th by now, isn't it?
Here we go.
Thank you very much.
Okay.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, honorable mayor and council.
The item before you presents the recommendations of the 60th anniversary ad hoc committee.
And staff is seeking council direction to move forward with planning and implementation of the city's 60th anniversary.
The ad hoc committee did meet on March 20th to begin planning.
Based on those discussions, the committee is recommending a year-long celebration beginning this July, 2026.
And continuing through July, 2027 rather than limiting it to just one single celebration.
This approach allows the anniversary theme to be incorporated across events, programs, and communications, providing multiple opportunities for resident engagement to the city's history and future.
The committee recommends creating a comprehensive 60th anniversary branding program.
This would include a commemorative logo, consistent with anniversary messaging, applied across city materials that would include the city's new adopted color palette.
To launch the anniversary year, the committee is recommending a 4th of July celebration this year in 2026, preferably on Saturday, July 4th, with Friday, July 3rd, identified as a potential alternative if vendor availability requires flexibility.
While the city's 59th anniversary date falls later in July, this kickoff event would align to the start of the Indian Wells celebration with the 250th anniversary of the United States, creating a strong patriotic and community-focused event.
Hotel partners and the golf resort have expressed interest in supporting the celebration.
If council decides to move forward, staff is requesting an approval of a supplemental appropriation of $70,000 to fund the firework display this coming year.
Hotel partners and the committee will be in July 4th of July 4th, with a new year-long celebration.
Hotel partners and the committee will be requesting an alternative firework display in July 2027 to formally conclude the year-long celebration associated costs to be brought forward to the council at the May budget.
So we would incorporate all these costs at the May discussion.
The committee is also recommending to formally recognize two individuals whose service has had a lasting impact in Indian Wells.
Mr. Dick Oliphant has served on the council from 1976 to 1992, including eight years as your mayor.
And he played a key role in shaping the cities through a major development efforts, financial stability, and his service of the city's first fire chief as well.
In recognition of his legacy, the committee recommends naming our fire station 55, the Richard Oliphant fire station, and commissioning a bronze sculpture that will be dedicated to him on this anniversary year.
The committee is also recommending recognizing Jan Oliphant for her contributions to the community, including founding the city's garden club by renaming the community's garden to the Jan Oliphant Community Gardens and installing a commemorative plaque.
So that's another recommendation.
Additionally, the committee supports completing the city of Indian Wells historic book in partnership with the Indian Wells Preservation Foundation.
It is recommended that staff would work closely with community activities and also our city marketing team.
If council is directed by the council, you know, we can also seek assistance by a consultant is an option as well to help us with these festivities.
The 60th anniversary celebration is an approved city council strategic goal that was established in 2026 this past year, this current year.
While the overall fiscal impact has not yet been determined, staff will return with a proposed budget depending on what you would like to move forward today.
There is a May 13 budget that's being presented to you shortly so we can come back with funding options.
Alternately, so currently today, the only thing that we are asking for you is a supplemental appropriation for the $17,000.
In closing, I will pass it on to our ad hoc committee of our 60th anniversary, which was Council Member Sanders and Mayor Pro Tempena, if you want to add anything else that I missed.
But that's our presentation.
So how much money are we asking for?
So currently right now we would seek a supplemental appropriation for $70,000 if you would like to do the kickoff event in July of 26, which is this in a couple of months.
And if we don't do the fireworks in July, then what are we approving?
Then we're just approving the naming of the fire station.
Plus a statue.
Yes, a statue, correct.
And a plaque.
Yes, and then also the community gardens and the plaque.
But we would come back with a proposed budget.
This is just to advance if you're looking to.
I see.
So you're seeking guidance.
Guidance, correct.
Got it.
To add to the fireworks display on the 4th of July of this year, we would do outreach with the hotel partners so they can fill their rooms and probably create a lot more TOT for the city as well.
Any other comment?
Yes.
You have something.
I just want to make sure we add.
We are working to try and secure a 4th of July pyrotechnic company, being that this is the United States of America's 250th anniversary.
And we are getting a little bit of a late start to this.
We may not be able to secure a firework provider on the 4th of July.
There may be the opposite of July 3rd if that's what you want.
So we just want clear guidance on that as well.
Okay.
Are there any other comments?
Do we have any public comments on this matter?
Okay.
Yeah.
Now we're coming back.
Yeah.
Well, no public comments.
There's no public comments.
Okay.
I just, the $70,000 for the 4th of July.
3rd of July.
3rd of July.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
But I know we did it in the past and virtually nobody showed up.
I mean, virtually nobody showed up except staff.
Now, maybe we have the time between now and the 4th of July to hype this.
But it seems to me that to make it a success, we need more than two months to generate that.
And if we just plan it for next year, we can allocate the money now so that they can book a pyrotechnic company for the 4th of July next year, which I guess would be on the Sunday.
And that celebrates our 60th.
And celebrate our 60th.
And then it gives us a long time to let everyone know that this is going to be a major event.
And the hotels, hopefully, would be full.
And that's my recommendation is that, yes, we give them the $70,000, but ask them to book it for next year.
Now, we might even get it a lot cheaper if you book it this year.
And is the birth date of the city July 4th?
I don't think so.
14th.
Right, July 14th.
So why not have a fireworks display during the season when everybody's here to celebrate our 60th anniversary?
I don't think there's any secret to being in July when no one's here.
So maybe we can frame it this way, because I think you're asking for guidance.
So I would move that you come back regarding the naming of Dick Oliphant and a plaque.
Do we – I'm going to say a plaque.
I'm going to say Jan Oliphant, plaque.
I'm going to say a celebration of the 60th anniversary with fireworks during the season.
I'm going to say a proposal for a book.
And we come back with a budget and guidance, I'd say, by June with kind of cost analysis for us to analyze.
That would be my motion.
Second.
Would you consider a bust instead of a – or in addition to a plaque?
I would consider a bust, yes.
Yeah, that was the recommendation.
Versus a statue.
The word was statue.
It was a dick, right?
Yes.
Yes.
It must be a dick.
Richard Oliphant.
Yes.
And the plaque.
And the plaque is for Mrs. Oliphant.
Yes.
Correct.
Yeah.
Yes.
A bust.
I would accept a bust.
Okay.
That's the motion.
I have a second.
Yeah.
All those in favor?
Aye.
Aye.
Aye.
Okay.
Passes unanimously.
Then we move on to council reports.
Oh, no.
It's not.
It's weak.
We've got a lot of council reports.
All right.
So, now it says J1, Mayor Taylor requests to review joint council and planning committee.
Ah, there is a J1.
So, this notion is, there's been a previous vote, I guess, if I'm not mistaken.
Chris, maybe you can opine on this, but there's been a previous vote to have an annual joint session meeting with city council and the planning commission.
I see no need for that.
So, I would like a motion that we do not need to have a joint planning commission.
Second the motion.
That's, we're not, that's not one time.
That's forever.
Yes.
Okay.
So, we have two.
On an as needed basis.
Yes.
Does anybody have any opposition?
All those in favor?
Aye.
Okay.
So, that's the end of that.
My apologies.
Now, we go to city council reports.
Mr. Whitman.
I want to first report that I had an ex parte meeting with Dan Wimstead about the golf tee time or equity issue.
So, that's a report of that.
Speaking of Dick Oliphant.
I received an email from him recently within the last week extolling the Children's Discovery Museum, describing the history, his and Indian Wells' leadership in developing the Children's Discovery Museum, and urging that we maintain or increase our support and sponsorship, stating that this is how we support our Valley children.
And also urging that we extend our support and sponsorship of the Jocelyn Center, which he also spearheaded.
He spearheaded, apparently, the building of both of these entities, and that we support our Jocelyn Center as well.
So, I thought that was interesting, especially since we're going to have a bust of him over at the fire station.
And there's really nothing else to discuss except it's online.
There's currently a survey of effective fixed routes for buses.
The question is whether they should be on the most traveled routes or whether we should go to routes less traveled, but where people need to have a bus come through their neighborhood.
So, that's my report.
So, that's my report.
Mr. Reid.
I have nothing to report, but I do want to say that I believe that at the last meeting when we authorized a $50,000 expenditure for the rodeo, it was on the condition that we get some advertising value out of it.
I have seen some of their advertising.
I do not see the name Indian Wells in any of their advertising, including the billboard on Highway Interstate 10, a recent television commercial.
I've gotten email, you know, social media things.
I don't see our name on any of their advertising, and that I think they're in breach of their agreement.
Thank you for the comment.
Maybe we'll direct staff to follow on that to see what's happening and then report back to us at the next city council meeting.
Mr. Sanders.
I have nothing to report that can't wait until May, given the late hour.
Mr. Pena.
Same.
I did meet with Mr. Wimstad as well yesterday in regard to the golf, all of his comments about the golf.
We do have the end of the year, end of the season party on the 23rd.
So that's in two weeks.
In two weeks.
End of season's here again.
And do we know, is that sold out?
Is that offered to everyone?
It's sold out.
Are we close to $400?
We're halfway through.
We did not send out an active link, but we're going to be sending that out now that our website's up and running.
But we've been taking in-person reservations.
So it is a slower sell.
It's at the pavilion.
So we have about half.
Yeah.
We have 400 seats.
So we're about...
The menu's fantastic.
Everyone's going to love the menu this time.
So...
What's the date?
It's April 23rd.
Yeah.
Which is the week from...
Next week.
Oh, it's next week.
Wow.
Here we are.
Next week.
That's all I have.
Okay.
Unfortunately, I have a bunch.
So, CVAG Executive Committee.
So CVAG is in financial straits.
They're looking at having a $4 million deficit in the next couple of years.
The cost of the off-ramp in Coachella has gone from $89 million to $175 million.
Is it Coachella or India?
India.
It's in India.
India.
It's in India.
And so just to give you an example of one item, right?
There's also been issues with regard to people running into the lights, traffic accidents,
so repairing CV sinks, small costs, but nonetheless unanticipated costs, and the purchase of an
automobile to service CV sink, and the list goes on and on.
So this is an interesting moment in time.
There's been an ad hoc committee created to talk about ways in which to create funding so that CVAG doesn't fall into financial straits.
The CVAG Energy and Sustainability Committee.
Chromium-6 was a discussion item.
Chromium-6, of course, is in our water.
We currently have the most strict water chromium-6 laws in the world.
The federal government is recommending 100 parts per billion of chromium-6.
California has 50 parts per billion.
CV Water District is at about 23 parts per billion.
And the new demand is at 10 parts per billion.
To achieve 10 parts per billion, the estimated cost for redoing our water storage facilities and cleaning facilities, etc.,
excluding potentially any cost of the debris and pollution created from updating these water holder tanks, is $900 million.
There are 12 water districts that are affected by this in the state of California.
We are one.
So there could be a $9 to $10 billion cost.
And this is currently being fought in the county, in Fresno, in the county where Fresno is, in the courts.
So news at 11.
But we are concerned about this because obviously the result is raising the price of water for everyone.
And of course, the price of water impacts those people with less means more than it does with people with more means.
Just to give you a sense of history, the, you know, the Aaron Brockovich case, which had chromium-6, was 11,000 parts per billion.
CVAG Transportation Committee.
We talked about the cost of the off-ramp and the on-ramp.
And they're talking about looking at even an increase in taxes to accommodate, you know, continuing to support our roads,
not only in the Coachella Valley, but through our CTC, which I'll raise in a second.
Let's see.
Let's see.
Coachella Valley Clean Air Ad Hoc Committee.
So I met with Eisenhower Hospital yesterday.
And they are putting the refining touches on a very detailed study that shows an increase in health issues relating to esophageal and lung issues due to dust.
And the greatest impact, Greg, is on children under the age of 13 that they're seeing coming into their – yeah.
We met – Greg and I met with the school district.
And there are more and more days every year where the kids can't go out and have recess or kids can't go out and have PE.
And so once this document is refined, I'm more than happy to circulate it.
But it remains a significant issue.
And so we are keeping our eyes and ears on that.
As far as taking action steps are concerned, we've also identified the land area.
And we met with CVWD, who actually owns half the land that we're questioning outside of Coachella, outside of the city of – Cathedral City.
And they said all you have to do really is apply for a land access.
And then – so I'm curious what we'll try and talk to CVAG about applying for access to the land.
And when we go back to Washington, D.C., we're also going to meet with the Fish and Game, who controls the other half of the land, about access.
And according to our congressman, there is a will to try and do something to mitigate dust on that land, which our congressman was curious as to why the federal government even owns that land at this point in time.
The Indy Wells Golf Committee, we talked about in great detail earlier today.
I would say that the city championship is this weekend.
I would also say that we had a modest turnout compared to what we had anticipated.
So we'll review the tournament and talk about next year if we want to open it up to Coachella Valley or choose a different time of year to have it because, you know, there were a lot of people that were interested.
But, for example, even the Vintage Club has its own club championship this weekend.
So Indian Wells Tea Committee is hilarious.
This is on the list, but never meets.
But perhaps we should set a meeting to talk about teas.
So I will – maybe we'll instigate a meeting on teas and the resorts.
Municipal code update.
We postponed that.
Riverside County Transportation Committee took place in Cathedral City this month.
And they had a number of initiatives, mainly the discussion of SEVAG and then the Sunline Transportation Commission.
But their annual report, which I will try and summarize in a mayor's note so that we can get out of here earlier, is – has just been approved.
So we'll get a brief on their annual report.
The Southern California Association of Governments, Salton Sea, has a new conservancy for restoration and to improve air.
That was – the governor of the state of California was out here last week to announce that conservancy.
The concept is there's been a lot of money given for air and water, environmental issues, studies, et cetera, over the years.
But it's ongoing to disparate groups, and they haven't shared a lot of that data information.
So a conservancy was created to funnel all dollars that are there to study the Salton Sea into one place to make it more effective.
And so information gets shared.
The other thing that happened on the rail recently is that RCTC tried to get a CEQA exemption for rail and was recently denied.
So it's going to set back our rail initiative for getting a public rail system from Los Angeles to out here until we can get a CEQA review.
With that said – oh, and I was at a League of California Cities meeting in Costa Mesa, and we had – we talked about a number of matters.
We voted on two issues.
One is the California Fair Elections Act that would allow general cities to have the same privilege as contract cities in the ability to have governments help fund local elections to be consistent.
And the second was parental leave.
We voted to support the fact that someone may take 60 days or more for an absentee based on parental leave, motherhood, fatherhood.
And that is the end of my report.
So I believe that comes to the end of our meeting.
And at 6.12 p.m., this meeting is adjourned.
Thank you.
Come on, can't we stay longer?
Yeah.
It's so cold.