La Mesa, California

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So I'm just going to say a couple of things. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the United States, establishing the framework for the federal government with three branches, legislative branch, executive branch, and judicial branch and a system of checks and balances along with federalism, power sharing with states. Drafted in 1787, it begins with, "We the people," affirming popular sovereignty and has been amended 27 times with the first 10 amendments forming the Bill of Rights. It is the world's largest surviving written charter of government outlining the powers and limitations of the government and the rights of the citizens. Shall we please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? Ready? Begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under all, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Councilmember Dillard. Thank you. City Manager, are there any City Manager comments? There are none. Okay. Going on to our community bulletin reports. I'd like to extend a heartfelt thank you to everyone who helped make our America 250 weekend celebration such a success. The movie in the park and Flag Day Parade were wonderful opportunities for our community to connect, celebrate and enjoy traditions that strengthen our community. A special thank you goes to our City staff, whose hard work behind the scenes made these events possible. And I'm serious. They worked very hard delivering bunting and putting it up. And we will have the pleasure of seeing it through 4th of July. Their dedication, planning and commitment to serving our community does not go unnoticed. Thank you as well to our volunteers, community partners, participants and residents who joined us in celebrating. We appreciate all of you for helping create memorable experiences for our community. The second announcement is that Sunday's at 6th concert series is back. Enjoy great local bands every Sunday from 6 to 7 at the outdoor amphitheater at Harry Griffin Park. This Sunday, June 27th, the variety band Breezin will be performing. Make a difference in the community. Number 3, consider joining a board or commission. And this is very important for people who want to get more involved. Several positions are currently open. The application deadline is July 6th. The fourth is join the community to clean up the neighborhood around University Avenue. And please consider doing this if you're available. The event is this Saturday, June 27th, starting at 9:00 a.m. Trash pickers and buckets will be provided. Just make sure you bring your sunscreen and water. 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I would like to call to order the La Mesa Planning Commission meeting for Wednesday, June 17, 2026, as it is 6 p.m. We're going to start with a quick roll call, and then we'll have an invocation by Commissioner Jones followed by Pledge of Allegiance. Commissioner Regeer? Here. Commissioner Reid? Here. Commissioner Jones? Here. Vice Chair Harris is absent, and then Commissioner Torpy is present. We do have a forum for this evening. With that, I will pass it over to Commissioner Jones for an invocation. Why, thank you. I'm going to keep it brief, actually, I think very topical. I really just wanted to congratulate all the kiddos across the La Mesa Spring Valley School District for their recent promotions this week, especially these two up here. My gosh, who are those guys? Two really special kiddos to us. We've got Chair Torpy's son and my daughter. My last elementary school child, and your first to go on from elementary school. So big steps. But, you know, I really did actually want to just point out that, you know, sometimes I think we sit up here and everybody asks, like, wow, why do you do this? And do you live here? And all these kinds of funny questions. And in fact, yes, we do. Our kids go to school together sometimes. So, you know, we do this because it's part of the community and it's something that we love. So congratulations to the kids. Thank you. I didn't tell them I was going to do that. I did not. I would not have seated the mic. Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Jones. That was a pleasant surprise. Staff, do we have any additions or deletions from the agenda this evening? There are none. Wonderful. We don't have any non-hearing presentations, so we'll move past that. I will move on to public comment. So in accordance with the state law, an item not scheduled on the agenda may be brought forward by the general public for discussion. However, the commission will not be able to take any action at this meeting. If appropriate, the item will be referred to staff or placed on future agendas. I do have a number of speaker slips already. These are for agenda items, so we will call you up when that time comes. If you intend to speak for a hearing item and you have not filled one of these out, speaker cards are in the back, please bring them up towards the front, and we'll make sure that you get on. Are there any non-agenda speakers online? There's none. Okay, wonderful. With that, we'll go to conflict disclosures. Do any planning commissioners have any conflict disclosures for items on the agenda? Yes. I have a conflict disclosure for 9.3. As an employee of the County of San Diego, I will recuse from that item. Okay. Wonderful. We'll move through our consent calendar quickly. I've got 6.1, which is approval of the meeting minutes for the planning commission meeting held on June 3rd. Any comments or motions? I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second. All right, I've got a motion to approve by Commissioner Re geer and a second by Commissioner Jones. Commissioner Regeer, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Reid, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Jones, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Torpy also votes yes, with Vice Chair Harris as absent. So it passes 4-2-0. With that, I'm going to take a brief moment to read the procedural rules for conducts of hearings, and then we'll move into our three items scheduled for tonight. So hearings before the La Mesa Planning Commission will be conducted in general conformance with the following procedural rules. Step 1, the chair will announce the matter to be considered and whether or not a staff report thereon was furnished to the commission. Step 2, a staff representative may be called on by the chair to describe the issue and give synopsis of the staff report and recommendation, if any. Step 3, the chair will announce the order in which testimony will be received by the Planning Commission and give general directions as to presentation of testimony. Step 4, statements in support of the matter may be presented. Step 5, statements in opposition to the matter may be presented. Step 6, rebuttal may be permitted at the option of the chair. Step 7, issues before the commission may be clarified by members of the commission. Step 8, the hearing may be either closed or continued. No further testimony from the audience will be permitted after closing of the hearing. And then step 9, after the closing of the hearing, the commission will do one or more of the following. A, move to act on the issue before it, followed by discussion and deliberation, then voting on the motion. Or B, reopen the hearing with or without further discussion . C, reopen the hearing and continue it to a date certain. Or D, postpone the decision to a date certain as provided by law. As we do get into statements of support and opposition, we will have a three-minute speaker time limit per person, just to make sure that we're moving forward. We're kind of in good progress. And with that, we'll move on to 9.1, which is consideration for a resolution of the Planning Commission approving Project 2026-0023, Sparrow Academy. And I'll ask staff if we have a staff report. Good evening, Chair and members of the Planning Commission. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. on Verona Way to the west. All right, so surrounding zoning includes C-D, which is general commercial zone to the north. RB, which is a residential business with mixed use to the north, east and south. And R1, urban residential to the west, the single-family zone. Surrounding uses include mixed use apartment project under construction to the north. There's other established commercial uses to the north, commercial retail and multi-family residential to the east, and multi-family residential to the site, single-family residential to the west, fairly consistent with the zoning. Current views of the church are shown here, including the Wilson Street frontage, the entry driveway, which is the easement shown there in the top right corner, and multi-purpose building used by the school. Oh, I have an excited finger there. Additional views of the property shown on this photo include street views, a view of the alley that runs along the south property line , and the TK transitional kindergarten outdoor area. All right. So the church and the school share the property, including the parking lot. Church facilities are highlighted in orange here, and the school is highlighted in blue. The school will continue to coordinate with the church to ensure there's no conflict with the times of use. The school operates from 8:30 AM to 3:00 PM Monday through Friday, with before and after school starting at 7:30 and ending at 5:00 PM. There are no changes proposed to the current schedule. The school doesn't offer after school, no after school sports or recreational activities. However, there are occasional after hours special events. The project will include providing an additional 22 parking spaces by restoring the playground area up on the northwest corner of the site there to a dual use playground and parking area. It's really over for parking. And by adding some parallel spaces adjacent to the multip urpose building, they'll provide a total of 98 on-site parking spaces. The arrows highlighted in yellow show the proposed flow of traffic during pickup and drop off times. So a little bit more about the pickup drop off times. The drop off queuing is shorter than the pickup queuing due to requiring less time to drop off students. It takes longer to pick up students. They have to be walked to their vehicle. So the applicant proposes to add a second loading area here shown in the blue arrows to the additional, in addition to the existing loading area that goes along the north property line there to reduce the pickup times and to reduce the queue length and avoid spillover out onto Wilson Street. So this is the multipurpose building. And in section 24.04.050 of the municipal code, the parking requirement for a school with an auditorium is one parking space for every four seats in the place of public assembly. So the schools provided a layout of their assembly use with their stage, which would be their maximum use. And it meets the parking requirement because the seating layout for the multipurpose auditorium accommodates 380 seats and 380 divided by four is 95 parking spaces. So they meet the parking requirement and have a little bit extra. All right. So let's talk about conditional use permit findings. Conditional use permits may be granted when specific findings of fact that are codified in municipal code section 24.02.060 have been made. The first finding is that incompatibility with other uses in the same vicinity will not result. The school is an urban area surrounded by a church, mixed use, commercial services, and residential uses. A school use serves the needs of the surrounding community. The facility was constructed 40 years ago with capacity to serve the additional students proposed. All right. The second finding is that the project would not lead to the creation of a nuisance and would not endanger the public health, safety, or order by three different items. The first one is unreasonably increasing pedestrian and or vehicular traffic in the area. So a transportation impact study was prepared by LOS engineering to determine whether an increase of 120 students would not unreasonably increase traffic in the area. It wouldn't cause any traffic deficiencies or effects that would justify any need for roadway improvements. The TIS concluded that the proposed increase in the number of students at the school would not unreasonably increase pedestrian and or vehicular traffic in the area. And that vehicular traffic at intersections in the vicinity of the project site would continue to operate at acceptable levels. The study also concluded that the school's proposal to implement two operational changes that are included in the conditions of approval, which included having to pick up times with approximately one half of the students being picked up before the second group is picked up and also adding a second pickup lane that would sufficiently increase pickup capacity to prevent spillover traffic. So the school's proposal to prevent spillover traffic would further not unreasonably increase traffic in the area. No changes are proposed to the existing points of access for ingress or egress. Ingress and egress of vehicles is accommodated through the one-way circulation through the site. Vehicles would enter through Wilson Street and load side-by -side as shown in the prior illustration. The TIS also reviewed the transit pedestrian and bicycle elements. The school's located 200 feet walking distance from MTS bus route 852 along sidewalks. Grossmont Boulevard near the project site has class two bike lanes in each direction. And finally, as a condition of approval, if the use is creating a nuisance or endangering the public health safety or order, the director of community development may determine that the use is not in compliance with the CUP and/or the city's code of ordinances and could refer the C UP back to the planning commission for additional consideration. Which is allowed for under municipal code section 24.02.060 . That's a lot there for traffic. But the next finding is to talk a little bit about whether issuing the conditional use permit would endanger the public health safety or order by increasing the incidence of disruptive conduct in the area. With the proposed operational changes, an increase in student enrollment would not be expected to increase the incidence of disruptive conduct in the area. There is not a history of disruptive conduct in the location. The school does not operate at night and the buildings and parking lot are locked and secured when not in use. And as mentioned, should any disruptive activity occur, the director could determine the use not in compliance and refer the CUP back to the planning commission as previously mentioned. All right. All right. The next requirement is that the use not unreasonably increase the level of noise in the area. A noise assessment was prepared by LDN consulting. They noted that the applicant is proposing staggered outdoor recess times so that the number of students outside at recess would not increase. The study further noted that the existing facility already has the capacity for additional students and no construction is proposed. And what that means is that no HVAC or mechanical assistance systems that could be noise generating would be required. All right. Additional trips were also vehicle trips were analyzed as part of the noise assessment. And the reason it was determined the project would not result in any direct or cumulative offsite noise impacts from traffic. And for these reasons, the study concluded that the proposed increase in student enrollment is not expected to unreasonably increase noise levels. All right. All right. The next finding is that the use is consistent with the general plan. And school uses in residential areas are consistent with the general plan. The site's planned land uses, mixed use urban and urban residential together encompass a full range of residential and urban uses that emphasize walkability and neighborhood identity. And then finally reinvestment on the subject property fur thers general plan. And then finally reinvestment on the subject property fur thers general plan. Goal land use three for revitalized commercial and industrial districts. So additionally, the Mesa municipal code section 24.05.0 to 0.3 states that a school use may be allowed in the RB zone by conditional use permit. So if two additional findings are met, the first one is that it's located adjacent to commercially zoned property. And in this case, the parcel is adjacent to commercial zoning to the north. And the second finding is that potential adverse effects on residential adjacent residential property have been mitig ated by the project's design. So as discussed, the traffic transportation impact study determined that potential impacts would be addressed by proposed operational changes to traffic circulation during pickup times. And the noise assessment determined that adding additional lunch and recess periods would address any potential increase in noise impacts caused by additional students. And those are, again, operational changes that the school was proposing as part of their increase in enrollment. All right. So under environmental rule review, the project meets all conditions necessary to qualify for a categorical exemption under the California Environmental Quality Act. And based on the ability to meet the findings of fact, staff recommends approval subject to conditions that were provided in the draft resolution that is attached to the staff report. So there was some correspondence received that was distributed pertaining to this item. And the applicant is also here to answer any questions. And that concludes my presentation. Thank you very much. Prior to moving the testimony, are there any questions for staff while we have them? During the report? No. Thank you very much for that report. We'll now move forward with testimony. We'll start with statements in support of the matter and then we'll move to statements in opposition. I do have speaker cards. Quick reminder, we are going to do three minutes per speaker. We should have a timer up on the board, but if not, we'll lightly wave. If I call your name and you no longer wish to speak, that's totally fine. Or if somebody else already made your point, you can cede your time. That's not a problem at all. So I'll start off with Ted Shaw of the Atlantis group. Good evening and thank you. I'm here on behalf of Sparrow Academy and St. Luke's Church . I'd like to thank you for considering our item and staff's hard work getting us to this point. 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We're looking to be able to do that. We're looking to be able to do that. We're looking to be able to do that. We're looking to be able to do that. We're looking to be able to do that. We're looking to be able to do that. Bekkah Vogelzang: Thank you all for being here today. I'm just here to let you know that I've read through myself and our whole leadership team have read through the proposal and are totally on board with any of the conditions that are in there that need to be met. We're very responsive to our neighbors when they bring concerns to us. And we are looking forward to expanding if that happens. Bekkah Vogelzang: Thank you so much. Bekkah Vogelzang: Up next I have Justin Rahas. Or is it Passas? Oh. Any questions regarding traffic engineering? Justin Rahas: I may, but I would prefer if we might to put those towards the end, rather separate that from the comment. Bekkah Vogelzang: I'll move forward with Mark Menacher. Menacher? I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. Do I have a particular question? Justin Rahas: If you would like to give a public comment regarding this item, you can come up to the mic. If not, you can just report the mic. Wonderful. Justin Rahas: Next is Judy Cole. Would you like to speak today? I'm here for everyone. Justin Rahas: Wonderful. And then last up I've got Kim Contrad. Wonderful. Thank you very much. So I will keep -- oh, I got out of order now. If we have questions for traffic, we'll call him back up afterwards. But I'll move to the other speaker slips quickly here. I do have two more regarding item 9.1. We'll start with Tom Stever. I oppose the project. I mean, I'm fine with pretty much everything that's going on except for the traffic from Burrowing Away. It's a residential street. I've lived there all my life. And there are times a day where you can't even get to your house. So it is. I don't really see any solution. Wilson's busy. Barona's busy. You can't enter and egress on Barona. And you can't enter and egress on Wilson. You can only do one or the other. And Wilson, it appears, should be only a one-way coming from Grossmont Boulevard south. And Barona Way isn't wide enough to be two-way for such a long period of time. It's just really super inconvenient. And cars are stopping literally on the street trying, okay, you go, you go, you go. It happens every day. There's been six accidents since that building started construction right there across the street from this town. I mean, it wasn't like that before. You can't even see. It's so blind. And you've got to do it daily. I mean, cars are going really fast. That's all right now. It's really, it's not a pleasant place to live like it was. Thank you very much. I'll now move to Mr. Ray Tucker. Hello. Thank you for the time here. So here's what's, I've been on the corner of Barona and Hay es for 30 years now. And originally when I moved in, at the end of their long driveway, there was a chain that went across. If you can pull up the map, I could show you. But anyways, there was a chain that went across on that long back driveway that they plan on driving down all the way down to Barona. There was a chain there, so no cars ever even went on Bar ona. And then the other exit that they're going to do on Barona, they had a gate there and no one even did that. What they do, they pull in, they circle around in the playground area, and then they would drive on out, right back out onto Wilson. So I brought that up to them and I never saw it, you know, them try it at all. But I submitted pictures. I don't know if you guys got a chance to see my pictures. That road right there, I don't know how the traffic people were able to say that was safe. As you can see in the picture, it's not safe at all. It's only wide enough at the top of Barona for three cars. If one's parked here, one's parked here, and one's coming up or down, no other car can get through. Okay? Then on top of that, you have, you know, they say, "Okay, well, we won't drop anybody off on Barona." Okay? Well, you know what? They still do it even though they've been telling them all year not to. Because the back door to the preschool is right there at the bottom of Barona, and there's an alleyway right there. So they pull up, park in the red, park in the alley when they're not supposed to, park on the street, block in people's driveway. But the point is that when they do all this, you have kids walking across, okay? I saw a lady carrying a baby, one child in the hand, two other children, and the other two kids ran across the street. The car had to, like, skid out just so it didn't hit the kid. There's no safety whatsoever right there. We're bottlenecks to only three cars wide. Okay? There's zero safety. Cars, I don't know if you can tell by the picture, but if you're leaving the school and you're on Barona, there's a curve, okay? If there's a car parked on that corner, it's a curve that comes up that bottleneck area that I'm talking about. If there's a car there and the cars come around and the kids coming across the street, someone's going to get hurt. And maybe they can control their own, which I haven't seen yet. But, you know, there's -- this is a family community. It's a small community. It was not built for this many cars going up and down the roads. It just wasn't built like that. And if you look at Hayes Street, right when you turn on the Hayes Street from Barona, it's only three cars wide as well . So you're dealing with more than just one spot. So. Thank you very much. Those were all the speaker slips I had for this item. I'll ask the commission now if there's issues for clarification or open consideration. Commissioner, here. Okay. All right. I'll go first. I'll go first. Yeah. I saw the pictures earlier and I did notice in that one spot it is three. So it sounds like there's already red zone in some of the area. Is that correct? So that people aren't supposed to be stopping? I am going to ask staff and the engineer to -- the traffic engineers here. Is that correct? Mr. Justin. Yeah. He can -- he can -- It would just also be helpful if we could pull the map out. From the presentation that shows the flow. Sure. Just to get a better orient. Which way -- what is one way? Where are the red zones? So we can kind of better see that as well. Justin Ross is with LOS Engineering. You're asking for clarification the areas that are red z oned on the public streets. I didn't quite follow the question. So asking for two things. So what is the flow? Is it -- where is it one way? Where is it two way? And then where are the red zones? Because in the picture that was submitted, it looks like there are people stop on both sides and then people driving down the middle. And where I'm going with my question is -- I'm going to ask the next question is what are the -- what are the records for accidents in that -- in that area? So the roadways -- Verona, Hayes, Wilson -- they're all two directional roadways for ingress and egress. Okay. The areas of red curb, I do not know off the top of my head . I do know that if there are concerns, residents can come to the city and request red curbing. So if there are tight areas -- these are old streets. So unfortunately, they're not per current standards. And it's a balance. You want to keep parking and you want to have flow. So you do want to keep two way streets. And the applicant, what we're proposing, we're trying to control everything on site. So when they enter from Wilson, and they're going to be policing the area with parents, and they're not going to be permitted to park on Verona, they only exit to Verona and they're basically treating as a one way street for egress, even though it remains as a two way street. And the point is, is yes, there are narrow points in there. The hope is that the applicant works with the neighbors and the city in implementing the circumstances. And the other thing is, is that the city staff are implementing the circulation to reduce any of this congestion? So is city staff aware of any -- there was a comment made about accidents or things like that in that area. It sounds like it was time to construction. So I'm curious, one, is that do we have any data on that? And the second thing is, is that just a temporary blip because of construction that's happening next door? I pulled calls for Verona Way to see how many calls the police department had gotten on Verona Way to see what the circumstances were out there. And there really wasn't anything related for traffic at all . I did not pull Wilson Street at Grossmont Boulevard. That's far enough distant from the project site that traffic out in that area, you know, was not necessarily impacting, you know, the queuing. The queuing was really -- the Wilson Street -- the Wilson Street issue had to do with, you know, ensuring the project wasn't going to create spillover onto Wilson. But the traffic analysis -- the traffic engineer could talk a little bit about the intersection analysis that was done in terms of additional traffic that the project might generate at those intersections further away. But they don't have any calls for service information for Grossmont Boulevard at Wilson Street. That's helpful. I think the only reason why I'm asking is there's one picture that was submitted that looks like if an emergency vehicle had to get through during that time, which might be a blip, I don't know if it could fit through. And that's why I was asking the question. I think the project overall makes sense, right? It makes -- it's a good thing. I just want to make sure that police and fire have looked at it. They don't have any concerns in the event they have to make -- you know, they have to come during a pickup or drop-off window. Otherwise, the project itself is already built out, right? So that's why I'm asking the question because it's really for that -- and I get people will do what people will do, and it comes down to working together. And I totally understand that, but I just want to make sure that in the event of an emergency that there is an ability to respond. I spoke with the city's traffic engineer earlier today, and he said that he would put it on his to-do list to come out and look at this site, look at Barona Way after school starts, and also, importantly, after construction is completed at the construction site, right, after that settles down, and kind of see what operations look like out on Barona Way , and then, you know, explore opportunities to improve circulation out there. He felt certain that there could be solutions if, you know, if issues are observed. Thank you. Commissioner Jones. Commissioner Jones. I'm admittedly a bit skeptical about how the cars move through this site, especially at pickup. And I'd be curious if maybe two things that traffic or the school could answer. One is about how many cars do we anticipate you would be able to fit in that queuing area? And then I guess the second part of that question is, does the school have any idea about how many cars are there for pickup today? Because just I'll make a real quick note that the afternoon pickup is going to be 3:00, 3:30, and we were told sort of like, hey, that's different. TK's at one. But then we're also saying that the full capacity of the additional request is going to be at that 3:00 PM. So maybe help me understand a little bit about maybe improve my confidence in how that might work. Yes. So I can speak to the operational side of things in terms of how we run pickup and drop off. In the morning, we don't have any queuing issues on Wilson because parents drop off as early as 7:30 for before care. That's about 20 families from 7:30 to 8:00. And then the rest of our families come from 8:10 to 8:30. It's very staggered. At the most, there might be five vehicles and they're all in our parking lot. They're not even on that driveway area where the black line is, is the drive through that goes from Wilson to Verona. Our parents currently enter on that blue line into the school parking lot. And that's where they're doing drop off and pick up. So we're actually taking cars off of the street to do that. On the pickup in particular. I mean, yes. Pick up, pick up in particular. 1:00 PM is our current pickup time for TK and kindergarten. And that's where some of the issues with people parking on Verona have come from. So an operational change that we're proposing is that our parents no longer park on Verona to do pickup. The reason they do that is because there is a gate that leads directly to the TK and kindergarten play area. So it makes sense for them to come up from that back area. But we are going to change it so that they enter on to school property again and do pickup just like everyone else . How many kids are TK? 40. How many kids? If we look at the proposed new number. What percentage of this total school population is going to be coming at one versus. 40 divided. Well, and some of them stay for aftercare, but approximately 30 divided by 270. So not very many. Not very many. I mean, I, I, I, I'm really sympathetic to the challenges here again. I mean, I did just show pictures of my kids over at North mont. Right. I, I see what happens on public streets. And I, I am also aware of some of the special kind of crazy that school pick up and drop up does to parents. I don't know why that is. So, I mean, I really truly, I'm, I'm really struggling to see how this possibly. Can I share one more thing? Please, by all means. Another thing that I, that I always like to point out in situations like this is that, yes, there's 270 students. That's not 270 vehicles. We have 150 students currently and only 100 families that attend our school. Of the 20 incoming TKers that we're going to have, 12 of those are siblings of current students. So it's not this immense number of people. I mean, I, I want to make sure I have like my numbers correct and I'm not making incorrect assumptions here. Cause you keep saying incoming TK, but, but I also, I think earlier we've been hearing that the vast majority of the new population in the school that's being requested. Right. An additional 120 students. Yes. Is for supporting sixth or eighth grade. Yes. So why are we referencing the increase in TK? Well, TK is a part of our increase in students. Like a small piece though. Right. I want to make sure we're talking about like the big piece of the impact. I'm not actually that worried about like an extra five families. It's it's because it's not the request, right? We're not talking about adding some TK kids. We're talking about adding potentially 120. And so right now we're talking about, but again, not 120. I understand. I understand, but let's, but, but I, and I am really trying to, to, to be really clear and, and consistent in the way we're talking about the numbers and I'm not feeling like that's happening here because what I'm saying is if you look at the numbers you just gave me of the 150 of what'd you say? 100 families. Yes. Okay. So if you extrapolate out to the requested amount of students, I'm not talking about just TK. I'm talking about the total. You're talking about the whole number. I hear you. And, and, and we talk about the afternoon pickup being predominantly those people. I don't see how you move those cars through here at pickup time. And, and, and so I'm, I'm asking for more concrete information about what you would expect in terms of the que uing, because we can tell you all day long that, that the cars will go in and they're going to wait. But the reality is pickups, pickups are really a difficult way to pickups are a hard time. Right. I've, I've seen it both at the school. My kids attend. I've also seen what JCS does over there. They have a very strange pickup and drop off for very similar reasons. Um, so, so I'm sympathetic, but I'm also wanting to understand how you actually anticipate making sure you can operationalize this. Cause I'm not seeing a lot of detail here. Yep. Commissioner Jones, if I may, please. Um, the, to answer some of the questions I heard. So the one question, how many cars on site do we have capacity with where we're proposing about 25. Now, when you look at the pickup times, the school currently about 20% of their students are in after school care. So you have about 80% of our population. We're looking to split that 80% into 40, 40 and 20. So now you have three distinct pickup periods. Um, the first one there, it averages about 15 minutes. A short time later, the second period of about 15 minutes for the second group of a roughly 40%. And then the afterschool program picks up the remaining and , and they come in probably on a larger window. Now, when we make our observations is the school today with 150 students, the black line that you see, the important factors to prevent spillback on the public street, the existing 150 students during their roughly 15 minute pickup window were all on site. They backed up to Wilson and because we wanted to expand it . I said, we need to double the capacity. So we look at a proposed layout and then we revisit it. If it needs tweaking or improvements that is done. But in summary, it's a combination of multiple. multiple three pickup periods. Because that's the longest time is to pick up the student. 100%. And the 15 minute and the people do not come all at once. You have early birds, you have stragglers. And it basically it, you know, over a 15 minute period, the students get picked up. Yeah. I mean, I think these are the things that I'm, I'm, I'm concerned about. And I'm trying to just get to some, some, again, some, some more concrete understanding. Because when you have cars that are coming to the end of the black line that maybe show up early and their kids not out there are available yet. Or, you know, then, then the car behind them, their kid gets in the car. Well, now what happens? And I see this every single day in front of the school. And if I'm honest, I'm really genuinely worried about the safety of the kids here. Because what ends up happening is you have, if you only have one line in, one entrance, one exit, then you have a sequencing problem. Right? That you assume that the people at the front of the lines, kids are going to get in first and they're going to leave. But that's never how it works. Right? And so now you have parents who are either going to attempt to cut the line or you have to force them to wait. Right? And we see this happen across the school district, all over the place, where we attempt to create these cues. And the only way, the only way parents ever stay in those cues is if there are physical boundaries. Otherwise they move out of that cue. And that is where the risk of children being hit by cars comes into effect most. And so this is really, it's worrisome that we are, first and foremost, the idea that there isn't spillover is, does not abide by the evidence. Right? So like maybe that was observed one day. May I add an additional piece of information that I think might be helpful? Can you just state your name for the record? Yeah, absolutely. My name is Robin Keith and I'm president of the board at Sp arrow. And thank you, Commissioner Jones. I think this is important stuff for us to be talking about and making sure that you feel adequately, you know, confident that we have considered how to, first and foremost, protect the safety of our students. What I don't think we've foregrounded enough for you in this conversation is we're not jumping 120 students next year. If we are approved, we're going to increase by a TK class in August. That's it. We're not adding sixth through eighth grade next year. We need to ease into that. So we're going to have time here to get a feel increment ally for what additional student population in pick up and drop off looks and feels like. And my understanding from this presentation, and I'll ask you to correct me if I'm wrong here, is that at any point the city can say this is a problem, right? We're getting concerns from residents or we're getting calls to our police department. There's evidence here that we need to reevaluate the CUP. So I would say like, I think that our plan right now to incrementally grow year over year, the grades that we're adding on, which means in the 27 and 28 school year, we would be hoping to add a sixth grade. And then we'd matriculate those students to seventh and then up to eighth. That gives us a full four years to get to that additional 120 students. And I think anywhere along that line, you're able to say, hey, we need to pause and figure something out. Is that correct? I mean, I will say, yes, there is, there are conditions that allow for reactivity. But I think that, and I want to maybe just pause a moment because I want to make sure we're not just doing too much deliberation. I really am looking mostly to understand a bit more concret ely about, you know, the capacity and you've answered some of the questions in terms of what you see from a percentage of student body versus the capacity. And I would feel much more comfortable with this if this was more concrete than some arrows and some hopes that the cars are going to, you know, fit. And if I'm honest, I don't, I'm a lot of the numbers that I 'm seeing here are pretty squishy. But I want to take a step back because we're definitely doing a little bit more back and forth than I was hoping for. I wanted to mostly get to some of the facts. And I think maybe it's somebody else's turn to ask some questions. There's operation. Can I, may I? Yeah. Just operationally, how does student release work? Like, are they walked to the car? Are they just released? So that building underneath the blue line is our gym. Right now our students wait in the gym and parents pull up to that blue line and we send them directly out of the gym into the car. And then they exit onto the Wilson. I think I may add to that because I see this with charter schools. When it becomes pickup time, it's all hands on deck. The faculty and staff go out there and they learn the cars very quickly and they'll call up with walkie talkies and they'll queue up the vehicles. So you have the cars being correlated with the students and they get queued up to be entered. What's not shown unfortunately is the picture. There are also cones out there. So coming in off of Wilson, you don't have enough width for two cars. So people can't really jump the line. They might, you know, on a public street might be able to do that. And you cone and control the cars and it starts to become like a rolling queue. The car stopped, they get loaded and they move on. So, thank you. And you answered one of my next questions, which was going to be the scaling to seventh and eighth grade. And really the point I'm trying to get at is I live right behind La Mesa Arts Academy, about a quarter mile. And I live on a cul-de-sac and by 3:30, my entire street is full. And those kids walk a quarter mile because seventh and eighth graders have a lot more autonomy on where they're going to go and when they can leave and how they're going to coordinate with their parents on where they can get picked up. So I just foresee and hearing that timeline gives me more confidence. But you're going to have a lot older kids being able to negotiate with their parents going on the Verona and being picked up wherever. And then maybe I'll give you just quick 30 seconds. Oh, yeah. I actually don't even need to respond. Okay. I think that's a really great point. I think that's a really great point. That, you know, we need to be operationally planning for the additional autonomy that older students have. And maybe that works for our benefit, maybe not. But I think we have a runway to make sure that we're prepared for that. Thank you very much. I'm going to close the deliberation at this point. We can have deliberation here amongst the planning commission, but I'll close the back and forth. I just want to anchor us in the conversation that we're having here today. We are here today as a planning commission to make an approval for this conditional use permit, which is to grant the increase to the full student amount. So although you guys foresee enrollment as a trajectory, we 're trying to make a decision based off of the facts that we have here today. So we need to make sure that we're considering traffic, the safety considerations, the statements in support and opposition as presented here. And with that, I would like to, you know, open it up for conversations amongst the planning commission. And I'm happy to start if you guys would allow. I guess I do get to allow. Yeah. So this is a tricky site. And I think most schools in the Mesa Spring Valley area, especially a lot of the location that charter schools have ended up at are on the tight areas. And they're cornered between areas that are being built up for higher density housing. I think we heard some of those concerns today. Perhaps some of those accidents, and I don't want to opine on that, are all of those accidents. And I think that's a lot of the things that are applying on that are due to the traffic and just the other extra activities happening there. In general, I'm in support of this project. With the caveat that I think there are major operational concerns. I live next door to my kids' elementary school. They are my backdoor neighbor. I share a driveway easement with the elementary school. Before I had kids, it was the worst thing in the world. Because I would hear the safety whistles. But now that I have kids, I love the safety whistles. So as much as you guys can invest in the cones, holding your parents accountable, making sure that that is a huge aspect of your school, I think that this is a site that can work for this size school. I don't know if you can go much bigger. But generally speaking, I'm in support of this. But I do think that the vast majority of this work is going to be incumbent on you guys and your community to support that. And I really, really encourage you guys to work with neighbors because as a neighbor to a school, as I've built relationships with the principal, the janitorial staff, the safety patrol staff, everything has gotten better. And it's got to be a partnership both ways. As a neighbor, it is difficult. But ultimately, at the end of the day, these neighborhoods are not just for adults. It's also for the kids. And so I'm in support of this. I do appreciate the conditional use scenarios that we've outlined in the CUP. And like I said, you guys are incumbent on upholding those and going above and beyond where you can. So that's my two cents. If I may. I don't feel like I'm normally the one that's the outlier necessarily, but I'm not sure that I agree. I'm sympathetic to the desire to expand. But I have a really, really hard time looking at a site that has been at this level of intensity for 40 years and nearly doubling the amount of students in that site. I'm not. I'm not convinced that there is enough hard evidence that that I can trust that this operation will, in fact, work the way that it's being said that it will. I mean, I have many, many other concerns when it comes to the facilities. I'm actually quite surprised to not see any site improvements because I see lots of things on that floor plan that look not particularly ADA compliant. They don't look like the types of things I would expect to add additional capacity for a student body to. And and and I genuinely have concerns about the safety of the children in that scenario. It just does not feel like a site that can support that level of intensity to me. You know, we've seen we've seen that neighborhood had residents in here as the constructions come up and, you know, some of that is inevitable. But this is one of those areas where I just really don't see how we can expect the guarantee. A lot of this is by convention. A lot of this is, well, we're going to hopefully figure it out. We're going to talk to people. I love that. I think everybody should work like that. But when it comes to the conditions, there's a lot in here that's really just not that enforceable. You know, at the end of the day, we're saying, hey, the church and the school are going to work together. The reality is this is a this is a dual use site. It's a it's a it's a joint use agreement. The church doesn't have to abide by any of these things. The church can decide at any point like, oh, we're going to actually have a day service. And, you know, we're going to have a bunch of people parking where the school is. Right. And and and I don't say this out of speculation. You know, one of the things that's interesting about a public charter is there's a lot of public data out there. Right. So so if anybody's so inclined, you can look at the current lease agreement. And it's not that I don't trust the folks here tonight. I really, truly believe everybody has the best intentions. But I really. I really do not think that it benefits the safety, health and welfare of the children. To increase the intensity to this level. I just can't see how that is safe for them. And it certainly doesn't appear to me that there's a lot of ways to make it safer given the constraints of the neighborhood. It is old. I again, I'm sympathetic to these things. But, you know, I don't know how you make the streets wider. I don't know how you make it so that I mean, just the fact that we're talking about a kind of strange easement as access. These are hard conditions. And I think it would be inappropriate to increase the intensity at least to the degree that's being requested and with the conditions that are in place currently. So, at least as it's written, I can't support this tonight. I think that there's much that could be done to make it more guarantees about the traffic and the safety for kids and, you know, enforceable conditions. But I can't support it the way that's written tonight. Yeah, I have some, I have concerns. I have some concerns that are similar, some concerns that are different. For one, I want to say I'm sympathetic to the project. Like, I think it's a good thing to have more TK opportunity . I think that's a good thing, right? I don't think that's a bad thing. I think just for my knowledge, I know we're in deliber ations here. If we were just the TK, how many students is that going up by next year? Just 20. You have 20 now and 20 more is the proposal. So, I have a lot of concerns about ingress, egress. I have a lot of concerns about fire and police access in that area with the way those are. It may only ever happen once every 10 years, but the one time it needs to happen, if it can't happen, then it's going to be bad for everybody involved, especially the city . And so, I would try to take a middle ground on this. So, I would like to see them be able to go up and add TK, but to condition it not to go beyond that until a more comprehensive analysis can be done by the city to look at police, fire, and the traffic in the area, including the streets, the red zone. I totally believe your analysis. 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The new allowed maximum number of students will move from 150 to 180 for the school use located at St. Luke's Luther an Church 5150 Wilson Street with an additional amendment to have staff report back no later than January 2027 March. March. Oh, March. Sorry. March 2027 with fire safety accident reporting. With those two, I'll move to a vote by vote by voice. Commissioner Regear, how do you vote? I vote yes. Commissioner Reid, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Jones, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Jones, how do you vote? Yes. Commissioner Torby also votes yes, so that passes four to zero. Congratulations to the applicants and best of luck. Obviously, we've got our staff report that will come back to us at the end of March next year. But in the meantime, I encourage neighbors to work with school staff, school staff work with neighbors to try to make the best of the situation. We'll have the traffic engineer look at that. Okay. Okay. Look at that. Moving to 9.2, project 2025, 2080, 8805 Joris Way. Request for a special permit to allow a fence to exceed the maximum four-foot height allowed within the front yard set back by four feet. Do we have staff report? We do. Good evening, commissioners. For your consideration this evening is project number 2025, 2080 for a special permit to allow an over-height fence located within the required setbacks. This request requires special permit application to exceed the allowed four-foot height limit by four feet for a fence located within the front yard setback. Here is the vicinity map. The subject property is zoned R1 SP, suburban residential scenic preservation overlay, and is outlined here in yellow . It is located on the west side of Panorama Drive with Joris Way to the north. It is developed with a single-family residence, and the surrounding area is primarily single-family residential. As can be seen, the property has two frontages on a public street. Some background on the project. In 2025, code compliance received a complaint regarding the installation of a fence in the front yard that appeared to be over the four-foot allowable height limit. Upon review, code compliance determined that the new fence exceeded the height limit for the front setback, and a special permit application reviewed by the Planning Commission would be required to retain the existing fencing as constructed. The construction without benefit of permit is strongly discouraged, and eight-foot fences are precluded within all property setbacks. Therefore, property owners have worked with the city in good faith to apply for a special permit consideration to allow for an over-height fence. Here is the site plan showing the location of the fence in yellow. The portion located within the front setback exceeding the height limit is highlighted in green. As mentioned, fence heights in the front setbacks are limited to four feet. Here is an elevation of the front view of the residents with the fence. Next, I will show you photos of the existing site. Here are some photos of the site with the perimeter fencing and the intersection of Panorama and Joris Way. Next, I will discuss the special permit findings. To grant special permit for excess height for a fence within the setback, sufficient facts must be provided to address two required findings. One, the location and characteristics of the proposed fence and the allowed use of them would not impact unfavorably upon adjacent properties, and that the project is consistent with design objectives established as policy of the city council. The project meets these findings as follows. Finding one, it would not impact unfavorably upon adjacent properties. Due to the unique location of the parcel at the corner of two streets, the property in essence has two front yards, which is not typical for a single family residence. Typically, this would be a side yard like in the photo of the neighbor across the street shown on the bottom right corner. Revising the fence layout to match this photo would still result in the fence exceeding the height limit and would reduce the usability of the secondary front yard. For most corner lots, a secondary front yard would be permitted a six foot fence. But due to the lack of a shared rear property line, the secondary front yard height limit is four feet. Therefore, in this case, the fence is consistent and typical for what would otherwise be rear and side yard of homes within single family neighborhoods. The property owner would like to retain the eight foot fence for privacy that they believe a four foot fence would not provide. Line of sight would also not be impacted. Line of sight would also be impacted. The city engineer has reviewed and determined the project will not impede site distance from the intersection. In finding two consistency with design objectives. The materials of the fencing are consistent with the design of other property line fencing in the area and serves as privacy fencing typically used with inside yard setbacks. The fence uses durable material and added lattice as a decorative feature. In addition, the lattice increases the height by two feet, which could be removed. But the remaining six foot fence would be consistent with a side yard setback fence, but would still exceed the allowed height of the secondary front yard and would still require a special permit. The project is exempt from environmental review in accordance with California Environmental Quality Act guidelines section 15303, which exempts the construction of new small structures. Based upon the finding of fact as presented, staff recommends that the Planning Commission adopt resolution approving project number 20252080 subject to the conditions of approval. That concludes my presentation. Staff is available for question and the applicant and designer here as well if you have any questions for them. Thank you very much. Any questions for staff? We'll let you go first one of these days. I'm sorry. Really quick. The the the if I read the dimensions right like the main portion of the fence is six feet and then it's got a two feet like privacy kind of. Yeah, there you go. Correct. Great. So that that's I read that right. The two feet is that upper portion. Correct. The two foot of loud. And then I've really just you go back to your first slide that showed this houses in the neighborhood that were right . Yeah, okay. I just want to point out that there aren't any fences in these pictures. So. Yeah, the white. No, okay. Okay. It just I thought it was a funny choice. No, no, no. I short four foot fence on the okay. That's I'm sorry. I'm clearly that wasn't a good joke. I'm sorry. There were limited options. I know I'm giving you a hard time. Thank you. Those are my only questions. If you could go forward one slide. I just want to be clear. So there's two things we're considering here. So first of all, where the fence is currently located up to the sidewalk, they would be permitted to have a four foot fence at that location. Correct. And if they wanted it to be a six foot fence, it would have to be four feet off outside that gray area. It would have to be 10 feet because of the reduced front secondary front setback, which would then put it essentially in the house. So there's not really the ability to do so. And the lattice portion is just on top. Yes. Got it. Thank you. Yeah. Just, just for my edge, you can, because code compliance initiated this. Was it, is there like a fine or, you know, anything with the conditional with the permit? Uh, no. So, uh, the only condition with this permit would be to apply, uh, for a building permit because, uh, fences over seven feet are required to be engineered. So, uh, building permit would be required. And, uh, for code compliance, as long as, uh, property owners are acting in good faith and moving forward with us, no fines are assessed. Got it. Understood. Thank you. Um, just one question. So, since it did come in through code, code compliance, has there been any outreach done to the properties near the, this, this house to see if they're okay with an eight foot? Cause I looked at the picture, right? And it's like, you have six feet solid and then you have the lattice work. So I don't consider that privacy, but some people may, it's more decorative to me, but I'm just curious, uh, cause I don't live there. So I'm just curious if the neighbors were, were noticed that this was going to happen. And was there any feedback provided? Yeah. Neighbors within 300 feet have been noticed. And I actually had one neighbor, uh, reach out mostly asking how they could also get a eight foot fence. Uh, their call the city. Yeah. Their rear property line is, um, along the one 25. So they, uh, we're kind of doing that out of concern. Okay. Thank you. Mm-hmm. I, you actually raised a question. I think I get all the time, which is, uh, if somebody outside of this process were like, I would love, uh, any foot fence, what do they do? I happen to, uh, handle most of those as you're seeing. Um, so I get to be the one to answer their questions and guide them through the process. So they would call the city like, Hey, I want to build a higher fence. And you would tell them, you know, first, no, and then we 'll give you the, the fine or the, the citation. Then you come back here. First, I tell them, no, you can't go over six feet. Okay. But if you want to apply, we can go through the process. Awesome. Thank you. Yeah. Any other questions for staff? Nope. Okay. I sense a speaker on this item, so I will, uh, I don't have a speaker slip. So maybe if retrospectively you'll fill out a speaker slip for the record. Yeah. No worries at all. We're happy you're here. Um, if the commission would welcome it, I would, uh, like to move to statements in support. Yeah. Uh, just state your name for the record. My name is Don Grigg. I appreciate you guys time. And that was a great presentation. I didn't know he went through all that work. I appreciate it. Um, one thing I was not aware of that this complaint wasn't until 2025. When that fence was built three years before that. Um, I had an ex girlfriend that was removed out of the house. I think maybe there was a conflict with a neighbor and that might be why there was a complaint. Got it. Um, but with being said, and I know I got three minutes, so I'll be as quick as possible. I purchased that home. It was, uh, it was in pretty bad shape. The fence was falling down. Um, if you pull up the map, um, the panorama street that goes to an underpass for the 125 where hobos live and sleep and hang out. Yeah. And then right where my fence is, it actually goes from two lanes to there's a third lane. Where the RVs and the campers of, I hate to say this, but the drug addicts come and they hang out there. Um, there were numerous times where they were leaning on the fence, uh, to look at me and my girlfriend in the hot tub and while we were in the bathroom. Uh, there were many times where the fence started to fall over and that's when I was like, okay, I'm gonna build a fence. Uh, one thing that was left out of there on the other side of this fence right here, there's a retaining wall. So you're actually standing two feet higher than you would be when you're on the sidewalk there. Um, we built this. Uh, I'm a first time homeowner. Uh, we built this with a friend that was a contractor and we opened up what we thought was the code. And we did this with our interpretation of the code as we, we didn't understand that that was a front yard as I consider that my backyard. Um, so we did the six feet and then we read that you could have two feet of decorative lattice. So when I'm standing in my backyard, I can still look over this fence. So I, I know it looks like a larger fence when you're standing on the sidewalk. Um, but the privacy that you actually have when you're in my property, it's not an eight foot fence. It's a six foot fence. Actually, it's a four foot fence with lattice when you're actually inside my property. And, uh, the big thing was the safety. Um, like I said, there are homeless people that live less than a hundred yards away from my home. Um, they're walking up and down the streets at night. That is a third lane there where the campers do park. And also I have a dog. So if I have to have a four or six foot fence when my yard elevated two feet, he's going to be jumping out, biting people. And we're going to be in here for a whole nother matter. So, um, I, I welcome you guys to come check it out. Like we, we built this fence as nice as we could to try to upgrade the neighborhood. Uh, I'm new to La Mesa 2022 and I absolutely love living here. It's the only issue I've had. Um, but yeah, I mean, we, we did everything in good faith and for safety and security. Um, I know La Mesa, the town is really nice, but we are kind of on that out skirt. And with that underpass being there, it is kind of a seedy area that we're very close to. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. Questions, comments, mood to deliberation. Here. A motion motion of deliberation. I don't know. You have a motion. Jerry's messing with me. I will say just very briefly, I'm obviously in support of this, um, uh, for the applicant. Um, this is like the fifth one of these we've seen in the last several months. So, um, sorry, we're making some jokes, but, uh, mostly, mostly because, uh, I, we've seen literally other projects where we're like, that's my front yard. I didn't know that. And I think I sat up here and said, who, who would know that? People don't know that only wonky people like us. So, um, I'm supportive of this. I'll make a motion to approve. I am, I am very supportive of this to Jerry. Commissioner Jones point. We've been getting a lot of these, uh, I think several new homeowners. I myself am a newish homeowner to the city of La Mesa have inherited properties that, you know, have predated rules that we really need to look at a lot of our larger codes in terms of modernizing them so that we aren't facing these as often . Uh, but I am in support. I can, I'll second the motion too. Um, maybe just before I move it to a vote, uh, you know, appreciate you guys investing in your property, investing in our community. Uh, city code is difficult, but I will advocate for our staff. Um, you know, I also have done some projects in my past, maybe when I was younger without falling down here. Um, they're really great at helping you kind of walk through and understand these various things. So, you know, uh, I'm in support of this fence. I think it's a, a perfect fit for the property that you have in the location that you have. And I think your neighbors probably appreciate it more than , uh, they've ever told you. So definitely in support of this, um, uh, just, uh, you know, in the future, a quick phone call down to staff. It goes a long way. Yeah. Um, I was very naive and I think we've all been there. Um, not a problem at all. And I really appreciate you guys coming down here on your night and kind of explaining it, uh, and sharing your side of the story. Sometimes these things become administrative, but the fact that we have like, you know, kind of personal story and kind of the background behind it really helps us. So, uh, we've got a motion to approve, uh, 9.2 project 2025 , 2028. That was motioned by commissioner Jones and then seconded by commissioner Regeer. Oh, Reed. Oh, commissioner Reed. Commissioner Reed's on the board. Okay. Uh, and we'll move to a, uh, vote for the board. Uh, vote by voice commissioner Regeer. Yes. Commissioner Reed. Yes. Commissioner Jones. Yes. Vice chair Harris is absent. Commissioner Torpy also votes. Yes. So motion passes four to zero with Harris absent. Uh, thank you guys and have a wonderful evening. Yeah. Um, okay. We'll move on to 9.3 here. Um, we've got commissioner Regeer, who's going to recuse himself. Yes. Yes. Perfect. Uh, so this is an annexation request for the properties located at 4821, 4831 and 4841 La Perla way. Um, I'm not going to read all the parcel numbers, but we'll move to a staff report. Thank you. Good evening again, chair and commissioners. All right. So this is a request to annex, uh, three properties into the city of La Mesa for sanitary sewer connection. That's been received as a property owner requests. Uh, so this is a request. Uh, so this is a request. Annexations require approval of a change of organization by the local agency formation commission or LAFCO. Um, for an annexation request to proceed, the property must be assigned a land use designation in the general plan. Um, with the general plan amendment. The council has authorized staff to proceed with intake and review of an application for a general plan amendment or the proposed annexation that happened back in September of 2025. Um, the final action that's required for an annexation is to assign a, when we said, a zoning designation to the property. All right. So the property consists of three parcels that total approximately 1.86 acres in the unincorporated county adjacent to the city of La Mesa boundaries. And on the map, uh, the parcels take access from La Cruz drive, which is a public street located in the city of La M esa via La Perla way, which is a private. Road in the unincorporated county surrounding development consists primarily of single family residences on one half to one, one acre. Hillside lots. I can see the 3d view there kind of shows how it's located on the Northwest slope of Mount Helix. All right. So the blue line shows the city boundary, but, uh, this illustration shows that two of the parcels are developed with single family residences. 4821 and 4841 La Perla way. The third parcel is developed with a vineyard and accessory structures that serve the vineyard. The owners have acquired easements necessary to extend a private sewer lateral to the parcels, uh, from La Cruz drive. So there's existing public sewer city of La Mesa public sewer up there in La Cruz drive. Right. Annexation involves properties incorporating into the city of La Mesa's jurisdictional boundary, detaching from the San Miguel consolidated fire protection district and transferring that service to the heartland fire and rescue. Heartland fire and rescue has confirmed. They're able to serve the properties that with no objections. Um, upon annexation, uh, the city sphere of influence would expand to include only the subject properties, uh, consistent with the jurisdictional boundary change. Because we have a coterminous sphere of influence, which means our services match our boundary. Right. So in terms of the process, the property owners have prepared application materials to LaFCO for staff review and they paid payment of application fees to the city. Um, a resolution by the city of La Mesa requiring LaFCO to initiate proceedings for change of organization or reorgan ization adopted as part of a public hearing is required, uh, for LaFCO to deem the application complete. And LaFCO, the LaFCO commission will consider and adopt a resolution to approve or deny the change of organization, uh, with or without conditions or revisions. And then, um, after completion of proceedings, ordering a change of organization, the executive officer of LaFCO prepares a certificate of completion. It's recorded with the county recorder. Uh, the affected agencies recognize that completion of their jurisdictional change includes property sales tax transfers, police and fire protection responsibilities, planning and inspection controls, and so forth. So as mentioned, one of the required actions is to assign a planned land use determination, planned land use from the general plan. So upon annexation, the property becomes a part of the city 's land use authority and the land use designation changes to correspond to the cities. Therefore, we need to assign a land use. Um, the rural residential land use, uh, designation in the general plan is assigned to large lot residential estate development in the Grossmont Mount Helix area. Development can occur at densities of between one and two dwelling units per acre. Rural characteristics and natural terrain are expected to be preserved through utilization of grading practices that create natural appearing land forms. The size of the three individual parcels within the project area falls within one to two units per acre for density range. And also the location of the project site is on the west slope of Mount Helix and surrounded by similarly sized, uh, moderate steeply sloped parcels. All right. So the zoning classification that corresponds to and is compatible with the rural residential land use is R1E-P, that semi-rural estate scenic preservation overlay. In the R1E zone, development is also expected to occur at densities of one to two units per acre predicated upon there being present adequate streets, sewer, fire hydrant, and other public facilities. Understanding it's a steeply sloping area. The zone corresponds to the, uh, existing lot configuration and size location and surrounding hillside topography. And it's designed to accommodate the large lot residential estate development in the Grossmont and Helix area. Right. So the projects exempt from environmental review, uh, in accordance with the CEQA guidelines section 15319 exempting , uh, annexations of existing facilities. Where the uses proposed are exempt facilities. In addition, the project qualifies for an exemption in accordance with title 14 of the California code of regulations. 1506123, which is a general rule. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for causing a significant effect. Right. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. Um, does not apply when there's no potential for the city. designated tribal representatives about the project that needs to happen prior to the adoption of any general plan or specific plan and provide an opportunity to consult, but the city did not receive any requests for consultation. So in conclusion, the proposed annexation and related general plan amendment and zoning actions meet all the requirements of the city and LAFCO. So staff recommends adoption of a resolution requesting that LAFCO initiate proceedings for change of organization for annexation of the subject properties into the city of La Mesa jurisd ictional boundary and detachment from the county of San Diego. San Miguel consolidated fire district and upon annexation, the subject properties would have fire service provided by Heartland Fire and Rescue. And the general planned land use for the subject properties would be designated rural residential and that the zoning map would be amended to reflect the zoning designation of R 1E dash P. So that concludes my presentation. Property owners are here . If you have any questions. Thank you. Thank you very much. We do have two speaker slips. We've got Matthew Hallgren and Sir Turner. I can't read the first name. Any questions for staff or any public ? Just a quick clarification, is the vineyard commercial? Is that it? Agriculture is a permitted principal use in residential zones. So it's just a permitted principal use of agriculture. There used to be a residence on that property, but the residence is no longer there. That's why I wanted clarification on if there was any conflict with the property. So you have a residential designation with it being potentially a commercial? None. It's a private garden. Wonderful. I approve of that. Mr. Hallgren, Mr. Turner, would you like to come up and speak? Hi, I'm Matthew Hallgren. I own one of the properties that we're seeking to annex into the city. My parents own the other two properties. And I'm joined today by our engineer, Rick Turner. So I want to say just a few words about my family and this project. I'm a fifth generation La Mason. My great great grandfather came here in the 1890s and grew lemon trees. And we've been here ever since. So our family has legions of Grossmont and Helix High School graduates. My relatives have served in La Mesa Spring Valley and Gross mont school boards. And so we have strong roots in this community. As you know, I live in an unincorporated portion of Mount Helix. But it's just outside the La Mesa city limits. And since I've always identified as a La Mason, I would take personal satisfaction and living inside the city. But the reason for this project is wastewater. And so when our neighborhood was developed in the 60s and 70s, the standards were different. And one of the houses that we're seeking to annex, when it was built, the builder was permitted to install the leach field on a totally separate property. Leach fields typically last 20 to 30 years. That leach field is now nearly 60 years old. And we've noticed sewage odors in the area. So something needs to be done. But replacing that leach field would be extremely difficult if it would even be feasible at all. At the same time, my husband and I really love our house. But we have two small children and we want to add on to our house to make room for our growing family. But our leach field is not big enough to support that planned addition. And there isn't room to expand our leach field. So annexing into the city so that we can connect these properties to the sewer would solve these problems. And as you can see in attachment D for the report, the staff prepared the county department of environmental health and quality supports the solution. Additionally, all staff informed you the necessary eas ements to run the sewer line have been signed and approved. And the proposed sewer system has been approved by the city 's engineers. So for these reasons, we hope you will approve this resolution. And we'd be happy to answer any questions that you have. Thank you very much. Any questions? We're engineers? Thank you so much. Discussion? It's always wastewater. I'm sorry. It's a little bit of a water. It's a little bit of a water. It's a little bit of a water. It's a little bit of a water. It's a little bit of a water. It's a little bit of a water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. 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It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. It's a little bit of water. All right. That was our last and final hearing for this evening. We'll move to staff and commissioner announcements. There are no announcements from staff. I just did want to say thank you to the applicant for your patience. I know it's something that we have to contend with. We have conflict of interest codes, and our commissioners are very diligent about following those as they should be. So thank you for your patience as well as for Joris Way. And I didn't get a chance to thank that applicant, but I'll reach out to them directly. And thank you to all of you. You take time out of your busy lives to be here. And staff really appreciates all your thoughtfulness and your comments and how you come together to come up with solutions for our applicants. So thank you so much. I didn't hear you say you appreciate the jokes. Well, okay, well. I need the gavel back. It'd have to be funny. You used to have a gavel and there were no jokes. I'm gonna order one on Amazon. I'll get it next week. Any announcements from commissioners? Oh, Commissioner Ruger can come back. I'll worry. That's right. We'll be out there. Hello. Hello. Hello. We're live. Um. Welcome back. We're at commissioner announcements. Any commissioner announcements? Pancake breakfast was fantastic at the fire station. Go every year. It's one of my favorite things. Oh, that was great. Oh, it was a long line. I was shocked. Uh, okay. If there's nothing else, then I'll adjourn the planning commission meeting for June 17th. Thank you. Are we having a meeting on July 1st? Will there be items? Okay. Okay. Okay. If there's nothing else, then I'll adjourn the planning commission meeting for June 17th. go every year it's one of my favorite things that was great oh it was a long line i was shocked uh okay if there's nothing else then i'll adjourn the planning commission meeting for june 17th are we are we having a meeting on july 1st will there be items it has not been canceled as of yet but if you are unable to attend please let heather know asap i am available for the two for the meetings in july perfect thank you so much commissioner thank you very much

All right, I'll call to order the La Mesa Design Review Board meeting for Monday, June 8th, 2026 at 12:30 p.m. Roll call. Chair Allison Morita is present. Vice Chair Christopher Langdon. Present. Board member Patrick De La Torre. Present. Director of Community Development Lynette Santos. Present. And Assistant Director of Community Development Jared Chavez. Present. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. Are there any additions and/or deletions to the agenda? There are none. All right. Any presentations? 3.1 Climate Action Plan. We do. We do. All right. Hi, everyone. We do have a presentation. Yeah. Okay. Good afternoon. My name is Hillary Eggo. I am the Environmental Sustainability Manager here at the City of La Mesa. And I'm joined by my team. I have Serena Lee, our Environmental Program Coordinator. And then I have Cleo Goodwin and Maya Feldman-Dragon. who are our representatives. We are our members. We are our members. And then I have Cleo Goodwin and Maya Feldman-Dragon. 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And I have a part of the city of La Mesa. other full-time jobs so they've been with us since October and actually were the lead for our climate action plan annual report so we're excited to share our 2025 climate action plan report with you next slide so the climate action plan was adopted in 2018 and it was also updated in 2024 and it's really a road map of actions that the city can take to reduce our emissions community-wide there's a lot of community co-benefits with reducing emissions so not only are we increasing our bettering our sorry reducing air pollution and bettering our air we are also looking at strategies to help save money improve our local economy create new jobs and so when we talk about reducing greenhouse gas emissions it's not just about you know helping that it's it's more than that too and really making our community a better place next slide within the climate action plan there's six strategy areas including building energy efficiency clean and renewable energy clean and efficient transportation water efficiency waste reduction and our urban natural environment we're going to go into each of these categories and accomplishments from each of them for the last year the climate emergency resolution is also something that the city passed to help solidify our engagement with our climate action plan and so this includes programs that we're making sure we're educating youth working with interns from our local colleges and also working with staff to make sure that we're also have the tools that they need to implement climate action plan uh category or sorry climate action plan actions into their daily work too next slide within the climate action plan i mentioned that it's a roadmap of actions that the city can take to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions so if we look at the chart on the right the gray line on top is our business as usual so if we don't do any work we're going to see an increase of greenhouse gas emissions over time what the climate action plan does is create actions that will hopefully reduce our emissions so we have the blue line and then also the green line which are our targets to reach climate action plan reduction targets by 2035 and 2045 and then if you look at the bottom chart on the pie chart you can see that majority of our emissions come from the transportation sector so that's largely coming from vehicles driving around going to work um coming driving through la mesa and then the second biggest category is our electricity and natural gas followed by solid waste water and waste water so the actions that we have within the cap are addressing those so we can identify ways to reduce emissions and then we uh our last uh most accurate ghd inventory was actually from 2016. we recently were part of a regional sandac grant and we hope to get an updated emissions inventory this year next slide and i'm going to pass it off to serena hi everyone again i'm serena and again it's our team some photos of our team so we have two full-time staff hillary and myself and then also we're supported by the civic spark fellows two here and two are um from last year are pictured there as well and we also are supported by the college core program which is an additional americorps program so college students are able to basically have like an internship or fellowship through americorps and they're able to work on food insecurity or climate and so we had um two fellows last year as well and they're also pictured there and we also work with the san diego regional climate collaborative so we're just working with other agencies throughout the region um other governments non-profits etc and we're all just building each each other up so we can all work on climate moving forward next slide please so the climate action plan we cannot do it alone as a city we have our parks and our streets and our building facilities but we also need the community to do their part too so we take a really strong initiative to go out into various community events you can see some events we host ourselves some were part of a regional effort such as the bike anywhere day and then we also just have a lot of youth engagement as well so some photos are here and we're going to talk more about engagement later next slide so again um youth outreach is something that we've been focusing on a lot more for the past couple of years as we know the youth are our future so we want to make sure that we're leaving a beautiful safe clean la mesa for our youth and here are just some of the ways that we work with our youth to make sure that their voice is being heard and also that they're empowered at home to make sustainable changes in their day-to-day like upcycling crafts the kids um at the kids zone during earth day and that's something that our civic spark fellows lead and they get a bunch of high school students to do various crafts and then they're able to show younger children how to do the crafts as well next slide please and we're also um trying to engage with our various city staff from different departments since two of us can't do all the work alone so we make sure that we're reaching out to other departments that they first of all understand how their work relates to climate some work that they're already doing and also empower them to take some changes as well in their own facilities so we do presentations we've held events for city staff and also we want to empower them so that they themselves can represent their own department such as public works they were at the la mesa earth day fair in 2025 too next slide and i'll pass it on to cleo hello um yeah so our 2025 cap annual report basically outlines all of the progress that we've made on our cap implementation in 2025 as well as since we adopted the cap initially in 2018 um so that's what our report is about and it also 2025 marks the first full year that the cap has been implemented since the cop the cap was updated in 2024 and so you'll see that i reflected in updated strategies and also sections on adaptation and resilience since that's something we're trying to focus on and so i'm just going to go through a few highlights from each strategy and these are screenshots from the report itself so if you do want more information feel free to ask and we can send you the full report next slide please so for building energy efficiency we make sure to monitor our natural gas and electricity usage for municipal facilities that way we can identify areas that we can conserve more energy we are also awarded a scholarship from the u.s green building council to pursue a lead for cities certification which will allow us to create a more advanced framework and plan kind of like the cap but a little bit going above and beyond the cap to incorporate more sustainability initiatives in the city and then for residential and business energy efficiency we have a toolkit that residents can rent out for free and they can use that to incorporate or make building energy efficiency upgrades and get free upgrades like led light bulbs and low flow shower heads and things like that so they can make their own homes and businesses more energy efficient next slide please so for clean renewable energy one of the main things we do is partner with san diego san diego community power to provide renewable electricity to homes and businesses and part of what we do for that is the city is enrolled in power 100 which means that all of the municipal facilities are using 100 renewable energy or renewable electricity we also like to promote solar and battery storage and so we issued a lot of permits for that for homes for industrial and residential to reduce demand on the the power grid and then we are continuously looking for grant opportunities to incorporate more clean renewable energy as well so in 2025 the parks and recreation department got a grant to purchase a new electric utility task vehicle that they can use to do drive around do park maintenance so they can do that instead of using a gas powered vehicle and then we also got a 400 000 grant to install solar and ev charging in the public works operation yard and so progress is going on with that but that is a really great step forward next slide for clean and efficient transportation like we said earlier transportation is the number one source of ghg emissions in our city and so we want to make sure that we're promoting walking biking and using transit as much as possible one way we do that is we partner with the san diego bicycle coalition we do a lot of educational outreach events to empower residents to bike more safely and be able to use that as their primary mode of transit instead of just using their cars and the city of la mesa was actually awarded the public partner of the year award by san diego bicycle coalition in 2025 and so that's just reflecting our commitment to that as a city one of the big highlights of this year was launching the e-bike incentive program we were able to secure fifty thousand dollars in grant funding and um give out 44 vouchers to people that work or live in la mesa to go towards purchasing an e-bike so again just trying to electrify our transportation options and get people to use e-bikes instead of using their cars and we've received really positive feedback on that program so we're hoping to do a round two as soon as we can get the funding for that and then another way we want to encourage clean and efficient transportation is by encouraging electric vehicle use so as a city we're working towards electrifying our municipal fleet every year we add more and more EVs and hybrid vehicles and use less gas powered vehicles and then we're also working on our EV charging station master plan which you will hear more about in a little bit next slide for water efficiency the city makes sure to monitor residential and municipal water use to identify areas where we can conserve water one of the ways that the city does that is by replacing grass turf with water efficient landscaping so we do that whenever possible and we also partner with helix water district they have a lot of programs offering rebates for people making water efficiency upgrades and replacing grass turf with landscaping doing water use evaluations that kind of thing so making sure people know what kind of resources they have to incorporate more water efficient projects in their homes and businesses we're also a participant in pure water San Diego project which is a really big project when it's done it will recycle wastewater into safe drinking water and will provide east county water and will provide east county water and will provide east county with about 30% of their water supply so we're continuing to work on that and then we are also always doing inspections to make sure that storm water is staying clean so we can keep pollution out of our waterways and next slide I'll pass it off to Maya hi everyone so in 2025 we continue to make progress on our waste reduction strategy and we worked with edco to reduce reduce the amount of trash that's going into our landfill and diverse diverse diver organic waste from our landfills as you can see we reduce we diverted 26.4% of waste from our landfills citywide we also continue to partner with I love a clean San Diego to host waste reduction and recycling events such as our litter free La Mesa cleanup series some clothing swaps where people can swap their clothes and not throw them away or and reduce more waste in our landfills we offer fix it clinics where people can bring their damaged appliances or broken jewelry and get it fixed as well as paper shredding events where we bring it where people can bring in lots of paper for paper shredding or their e waste for donation or donation and then as well as any goodwill donations that they have and then something that we're continuing on is that we're going to be doing a lot of work for this year is free free mulch and compost at our public waste or public works yard where residents can pick up free mulch and bring it into their yard so we did that last year and as well as right now next slide and we continue to continue to make progress on improving our urban natural environment we love to partner with tree san diego to do tree educational events as well as free tree giveaways that was one of my favorite events we had in 2025 where we gave 103 free trees to La Mesa residents and the families and people picking the trees up were so excited to bring in a new tree into their backyard or front yard we were awarded the tree city USA award for the 45th year as well as continuing to be guided by our urban forest management plan next slide and then as Cleo mentioned adaptation resilience is a new category that we're trying to implement climate action progress in and so heat adaptation is a big one especially in southern California and La Mesa where it can get pretty hot so we work on expanding our tree canopy like I said planting more trees it reduces temperatures and provides cool areas for people who are to stay cool and not overheat as well as adding coolers water coolers to our public works vehicles so that all of our workers don't overheat and have access to cool water when they're on site working and then finally we are in collaboration with San Diego regional climate collaborative to work on a heat action plan for the San Diego region so working with other municipalities and and then SDRCC the climate collaborative to identify methods and ways to keep San Diego more cool and community engagement runs through all of the strategies that we just talked about it's a big part of the work that we do and so we hosted 55 events and which engaged over 2600 participants in 2016 and So those are big numbers and we love to talk to our residents about different ways that they can implement climate action strategies in their own homes or in their own lives, as well as connect them to the programs that we're running as well. And then we also run the La Mesa Green Business Network, where we have eight certified green businesses and 31 La Mesa Green Business Network members. And in 2025, we had our ribbon cutting for city halls green business certification. So that was a fun event where we got to celebrate all the energy efficiency and water efficiency upgrades that the city was taking on. So next slide. And that's everything. Please let me know if you have any questions and thanks so much for listening. Thank you so much for that presentation. Any questions? Are we able to ask questions? Okay. Early in the presentation, you talked about the goals of the project and, you know, kind of starting at 2016 and trying to reach a goal at 2035. And I think you mentioned you haven't done a greenhouse gas survey yet, but you're trying to get one done this year, which is kind of like the midpoint, right? Between 16 and 35. So do you feel like things are tracking or trending towards the goal or? Correct. We definitely need data to understand where we're at. Yeah. But I think regardless, when we think about the co-benefits of implementing all these programs, that's also what drives a lot of our work, too. Yeah. Good. All right. Well, looking forward to seeing your results. So, yeah. Thank you for all your work. Thank you. And then do we have any, thank you, and do we have any public comments at this time? None. Any conflict disclosures? All right. And moving on to the consent calendar, item 6.1, approval of the meeting minutes for the design review boarding meeting held on April 13, 2026. I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second. All right. All those in favor of approval of the meeting minutes for the design review board meeting held on April 13, 2026, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Approval passes unanimously. And then current business 7.1 EV charging station master plan. Hi, we have a presentation. You will see all of us again. Perfect. So we're going to be talking about the EV charging station master plan, which we kind of hinted at in our last presentation. But again, you just heard us talk about the climate action plan. But again, transportation is our number one emitter in the city. So that's why we wanted to work on moving towards EV charging and reducing gas vehicles throughout the city. Next slide. All right. So I just want to make sure everyone has a baseline understanding. So EV charging is electric vehicle charging. So it's battery powered. Instead of using any gas, you plug it in. And that's how you charge. See, there's some examples on the screen there that some other cities have implemented so that the public can charge at various locations. There's different ways that you can charge. You can charge your home. You can charge at curbside parking. You can have parking lots, certain parking lots that are designated just for charging. So there's different methods of providing EV charging. Some are public. Some are private. And so we are working on trying to figure out where we can increase our public charging specifically. And also identifying some locations for private as well, although we don't have jurisdiction over private parking lots. But we still wanted to make sure that we're trying to service all of our community members. So this is part of Climate Action Plan measure T5. It's our transportation measure for alternative refueling infrastructure development. And so just also going into level one versus level two versus DC fast charging. So there's three different ways of charging and different speeds. So there's like the regular plug. That's level one. If someone has a home garage, just like a plug, they can plug that in. It might take like a day to charge. It's super slow. And then there's level two charging that's slightly faster. And that's a lot of the chargers that you might see around is level two charging. So it could take like six to eight hours to get on a full charge on a vehicle. And then there's DC fast charging, also known as level three charging. And that's super fast. So if you might see like a Tesla supercharger parking area, they're done in like 15, 20 minutes. So we looked mostly for this plan at level two and level three DC fast charging opportunities. Next slide. So just going back in the history of EV charging in La Mesa. So there's a couple of locations that we do have charging locations. And the main one is at MacArthur Park in front of the community center. There are multiple chargers there. And we have seen the increase in usage. So there's a chart there that tracks from January of 2022 to July of 2024. And you can just see that there is an increase in usage. And we see that anecdotally too, as we go up to the community center, that a lot of the charging spaces are taken more and more often. And we also have some charging available in front of city hall. And that's available to people employed around the area. So it's not necessarily like public. And then there's some chargers that will be eventually coming soon up in the Lemon Avenue lot in downtown La Mesa. And those are not connected yet, but they will be available for public charging. So we just wanted to make sure that we're seeing this increase in usage trend. We also see that La Mesa, we were doing a gas gap assessment. And that La Mesa is a little bit behind in adopting EVs. So people aren't purchasing as many EVs. And we really wanted to dig in. Why? And part of it, our consultants and us came to the conclusion was, was because we just don't have enough charging. So we'll be talking a little bit more about that and how we're trying to remedy that situation. Next slide. So we had an EV charging station, master planning community working group. One of the people here, I see that you're involved. And so we had three virtual meetings. I want to say we started in January 2025. And it was throughout the year. And basically want to do some visioning of how did our community members really see charging throughout the community? So are there locations that EVs are parked, but there's no charging available. So that's an opportunity there. Are there certain barriers that they have noticed or their neighbors have said to them that they have certain barriers? So we really wanted to dig in. And so we did a lot of polls and a lot of brainstorming and trying to see if there are any policy recommendations and incentives that we might be able to provide the private sector, but also what we could do as a city as well. And so what we heard from the working group where three locations came up over and over was just business and retail centers in general. So that's Grossmont Center. So that's the thing that we're talking about. So that's the thing that we're talking about. And so we're talking about, you know, we're talking about the community. 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And so the cost of these would be just under $70,000. And hoping that through this plan and showcasing the analysis and details from everything, we can use this for our future grant application. Next slide. Next up, we have City Hall just outside here. We're hoping to add two DC fast chargers. These would also be our first curbside charging. And thinking about the feasibility as we look into redeveloping the entire civic center, this area would not be impacted as much. And so we also looked at the opportunity, what the cost would be if it would be level two instead. And as you can see, the cost on the bottom left-hand corner. The DC fast chargers typically are much more expensive because each port is about almost $100,000 each. And so thinking about how it would impact the cost of the actual technology, but then the trenching also costs a lot too. I remember when I first started here at the city, I thought you could just like, you know, plop an EV charger in and plug it in, but it's not that easy. So learning a lot through this whole process. Next slide. So then we have La Masita Park. Here we would install three DC fast chargers with two ports each. The site of the power is a little bit farther in the circle, so we would have to trench a little bit more. This would increase the cost to over $400,000. And it would be almost half the cost if we did level two charging. However, La Masita Park is closer to the 125. And so when we think about access and our corridors too, there's a lot of funding and then upcoming program, the NEVI program, which they are prioritizing freeways to add more infrastructure there. So when we were looking at the analysis of how it would be used, that was also kept in mind. Next slide. So then we have the Allison Avenue downtown village parking lot. Here hope to install three DC fast chargers. And this has a very high turnover of users going to the village, whether to dine or to recreate. And so we thought that the, we felt that the DC fast would be a good option here. And the cost would be about $373,000. And then again, it would be lower if we did level two. It would require some additional trenching, which would increase the cost. And then also with all of these, we are following the requirements for ADA. So you might have noticed that there are at least one to two ADA spots, depending on how many EV chargers that we're hoping to install. Next slide. And lastly, we have the pool at MacArthur Park. Here we would install two DC fast chargers. And the reason why we did DC fast at this location versus level two is because there are level two chargers nearby at the community center. And so hoping to get a quick charge here. One limiting factor that we have to consider is there is a gate that closes at sunset at MacArthur Park, which actually could impact a potential grant fund application because a lot of applications will require the chargers to be accessible 24/7. So these are all the things that we have to consider when we are looking forward into how we would apply for the funding. Next slide. Next slide. All right. Next step. So I keep mentioning grants. We want to apply for all these grants. So we're hoping that once this plan is approved, we would then be able to take it for grant applications that for city facilities. But then we also want to encourage privately owned property owners to also use this for their grant applications because they're also eligible for this. And so they can then attach the plan to showcase that the analysis was done for a need and showcase the need and hopefully get higher score on their grant applications. So the draft plan is currently being finalized and will be available for public review soon. We're hoping to bring it to city council this summer. We're currently going on a tour of presentations. So you guys are our second of, I think, 10 presentations we're giving. But we wanted to come back because two years ago we came to present the request for members of our working group. And so just wanted to showcase where we're at after that. Next slide. And that's it. I'll take any questions you have. All good. Thank you so much. Real quick. We do have an action. We're asking for a recommendation. So we're going to be able to do that. And we're asking for a recommendation to recommend city council approve the plan. Okay. I make the motion to recommend city council to approve the EV charging station master plan. I'll second the motion. Okay. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. The staff's going to not vote on this item. We'll let you all do that. All right. Thank you. The community members make the recommendation on them. Okay. And we're going to take a brief pause to work on our Zoom connection. connection. Thanks. Okay. We're back. We just, we're having an issue with Zoom, but the meeting is live on eScribe as well as being recorded. Thank you. Okay. Well then moving on to item 7.2, project 2026-0092, First Church of Christ Scientist. There we go. Good afternoon, design review board members. The project entails a design review for expansion of existing commercial building at 8370 La Mesa Boulevard in the downtown commercial and urban design overlay zone. It is a part of the downtown village specific plan within the village sub area. Design review is required for all projects in the urban design overlay zone and downtown village specific plan area and requires ratification by city council. Project entitlement will include a conditional use permit considered by planning commission. The point 22 acre project site is one lot located at 8370 La Mesa Boulevard near the corner of 3rd street and La Mesa Boulevard as seen on the vicinity map. Surrounding development includes residential and commercial uses to the north, a storefront and restaurant to the east, mixed commercial uses to the south and retail uses to the west. Here are some photos of the current site conditions. The existing structure on site includes a one story, 1826 square foot commercial building. It is built right up to the property lines and adjacent buildings. Existing right of way improvements along La Mesa Boulevard include sidewalk, curb and gutters. In the following slides, I will introduce the various project design features and discuss how they meet the applicable goals of the downtown village specific plan and urban design program. The existing front entrance along La Mesa Boulevard will remain unchanged and is recessed approximately three and a half feet from the building's front plane. Please note that the front entrance is a rendering and not a photo of the site. The project includes an expansion of the existing building to create a new office, two Sunday school classrooms, two accessible bathrooms, a nursery area and flex space. This will remove the existing portable facilities located in the parking spaces currently. The downtown village specific plan recommends improving, improving rear facades to reduce clutter, provide entrances and help humanize the area while maintaining their functionality. The new rear entrance will be recessed approximately three feet, allowing entrance via the alley. The recessed entrance is help break up the building length and reduces the apparent width along La Mesa Boulevard. The proposed expansion intends to maintain a high quality pedestrian environment along both frontages through active building interfaces and creation of a new entrance to further enhance activity within the alley. The proposed expansion of the building length and the building length and the building length and the building length of the building. The proposed design includes the awnings and midsection windows. The proposed design includes the awnings and midsection windows. Therefore, the project meets the DBSP guidelines for building form and scale. The proposed design creates a cohesive architectural features across all elevations while adding variety, scale and rhythm. This is achieved through several key elements including architectural projections, accent materials including aluminum trim, concrete block with burnished face and stucco. Parapets also provide screening for rooftop mechanical equipment, front awnings and signage consistent with the DBSP and urban design program. The lighting will be primarily located underneath the awning and two new lights will be installed at the rear entrance and on the exterior of the building for the rear alley for the church signage. The proposed color pilot features white plaster seen here as milky quartz which will be the primary surface color. Black seen here as black magic will be the accent trim used on roof line details, column capitals and a central feature above the entrance. Therefore, the project meets the DBSP guidelines for colors and materials. The proposed signage is simple and easy to read and meets the requirements for the urban design program for design, color, illumination and sign style. The signage would also match the DBSP recommendation of individual letters not exceeding 12 inches in height. Therefore, the project meets the DBSP and urban design guidelines for design principles and signage. The existing 23 feet, 10 foot long awning will be maintained to protect pedestrians from the elements. It extends approximately six feet from the face of the building over the sidewalk. The awning's height is approximately 10 feet from the sidewalk. Additionally, the entrance doors for the ground floor will be maintained in the center of the recessed area with a new entrance added to the rear facade of the building. Window transparency of the building will remain unchanged and new windows on the rear facade will maintain similar transparency. Therefore, the awning, entrances and windows meet the DBSP guidelines for pedestrian emphasis in street edge. Additionally, minimum parking off-street requirements do not apply as the project is located within a quarter of a mile of the trolley station. Staff have reviewed the architectural plan submitted for the project and found that the project appears to be consistent with the policies and objectives of the downtown village specific plan. The project appears to meet all underlying development standards of the CD/D zone, including but not limited to building height, setbacks, and parking. Since the park property is located within one quarter of a mile of major transit, no parking minimums are required for the project. Staff recommends the design review board approves project 2026-0092 subject to city council ratification. That concludes my presentation and the applicant here is to, applicant is here to answer any questions. Okay. Thank you. I do have a question about the lighting, the exterior lighting. If we can go back to that photometric. So, you mentioned awnings for both back and front. But I don't see an awning in the rear. I don't know if I'm missing something. I don't see an awning in the alleyway. Sorry, there will be no awning on the rear. Just the existing front awning will be maintained. So, how are they lighting the back then? Because this photometric kind of tells me that there is this huge giant awning in the back with downlights. Because that's the back entrance, right? At the top. Yep. So, I am John Podge, our Doma Studio Architecture. Nice to meet you all. The back little recessed entryway will have a covering and that is kind of an awning, but it can't project onto the alley. That's our understanding. So, we have some downlighting in there. And then there's just a light on the exterior for the signage. So, there's no awning, right? You only have that little tiny area where the recess is. So, I guess in that photometric, yeah, that's the only area, but that photometric looks like there's this huge rectangle. Do you, like all these numbers, that kind of, doesn't that, isn't it the photometric portion, the numbers? I believe. That shows you the footlight candle out there. I believe we try to shield it and all the light will be projected down and not projected up. Okay. It's really not a canopy, it's just like overhang over that little recess. And then the fixture type D, it looks like it's an exterior sconce that's only at the very front? Or is that one, is there one right in that little entrance nook? There's one in the entrance too. Okay. I have a quick question too. So, on the addition, on the back side, there's no mechanical equipment on the addition. You're keeping it all in the existing portion of the building, is that correct? No, there will be new mechanical units for the addition. We are replacing the existing mechanical units for the existing portion. But all the equipment will be screened with the parapets. So, there are some roof offsets that don't really show up in the renderings. I didn't see it, now I see it. It's dashed in new equipment, new mechanical equipment. Okay. That answers my question. Thank you. Okay. I think I'm good. I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve. Project 2026-0092. Aye. Aye. Okay. All those opposed? All right. Thank you. Project 2026-0092 approved. Item number eight, staff and board member announcements. No announcements from staff. Okay. Meeting adjourned then at 1:002. Okay. All those opposed? All right. Thank you. Project 2026-0092 approved. Item number eight, staff and board member announcements. No announcements from staff. Okay. Meeting adjourned then at 1:18. Thank you. All right. 2 approved number item number 8 staff and board member announcements no announcements from staff meeting adjourned then at 118 thank you Thank you.

Recording in progress. David Harris: I'm David Harris, Vice Chair of the Planning Commission. I'd like to call this meeting to order on June 3rd, 2026 at 6:01 p.m. Let's see, first item is to take the roll. Mark Regeer. Present. Present. Present. Kristen is absent and Andrew is absent. So we have a quorum for now. Okay. Moving on, let's do the Pledge of Allegiance. Mark, would you please lead us? The Pledge of Allegiance is applied to the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Okay. Are there any additions or deletions to the agenda? There are none. Thank you. Are there any presentations? There are no presentations. All right. Okay. Next is public comment. In accordance with state law, an item not scheduled on the agenda may be brought forward by the general public for discussion. However, the commission will not be able to take any action at this meeting. If appropriate, the item will be referred to staff or placed on a future agenda. Are there any conflict disclosures? No. There are none. Okay. We'll move on to the consent calendar, which is just item 6.1. Approval of the meeting minutes of the Planning Commission regular meeting held Wednesday, May 20th, 2026. Okay. Does anyone have any? Yes. Oh. Oh. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We're going to go back just one step here because for the -- okay. Are there any conflict disclosures? Yes. For hearing under section 9.2, I will recuse myself as an employee of the County of San Diego. Okay. And Jerry? Okay. And I will need to recuse myself from item 9.3 because I live within 1,000 feet of this property. Okay. Let's move on then to the consent calendar, approval of the minutes for the regular meeting held Wednesday, May 20th, 2026. Yes, Mark. I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second that. All right. We have a motion and a second. I'll take the roll. Mark? Yes. Jerry? Yes. Yes. Yes. So 3-0 with two absent. Okay. Moving on. Staff reports? There are no staff reports this evening. Okay. All right. Then we move on to public hearings. And let me just give everyone some information on how we do public hearings. The procedural rules for the conduct of hearings. Yes. So three zero with two absent. Okay. Moving on staff reports. There are no staff reports this evening. Okay. All right. Then we move on to public hearings. And let me just give everyone some information on how we do public hearings. The procedural rules for the conduct of hearings before the La Mesa Planning Commission. Hearings before the Planning Commission will be conducted in general conformance with the following rules. First, the chair will announce the matter to be considered and whether or not a staff report thereon was furnished to the commission. Second, a staff representative may be called upon by the chair to describe the issue and give synopsis of the staff report and recommendation, if any. Third, the chair will announce the order in which testimony will be received by the Planning Commission and give general direction as to the presentation of testimony. Second, a staff member will announce the chair to be considered and the chair to be considered. Second, a staff member will announce the chair to be considered and the chair to be considered. Second, a staff member will announce the chair to be considered and the chair to be considered. Second, a staff member will announce the chair to be considered and the chair to be considered. Second, a staff member will announce the chair to be considered and the chair to be considered. Second, a staff member will announce the chair to be considered and the chair to be considered and the chair to be considered. Second, a staff member will announce the chair to be considered and the chair to be considered and the chair to be considered. 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OK, there's four things. A, move to act on the issue before it, followed by discussion and deliberation, and then voting on the motion. Or reopen the hearing with or without further discussion. Or C, reopen the hearing and continue it to a date certain. Or D, postpone the decision to a date certain as provided by law. OK. That is the rules. Let's move to the first hearing, 9.1, Project 2026-0363, Comanche Place, LLC. This is consideration of a variance to reduce the side setback from 10 feet to 5 feet for a proposed duplex at 507-5087 Comanche Drive in the R2, medium low density residential zone. Allison. Good evening. Thank you, Planning Commissioners. Let's see. All right. So the proposed project is in construction plan review to build a two-story, 2,555 square foot duplex and two accessory dwelling units over garages on the subject property. Similar improvements are also proposed by the same developer on the adjacent site to the west. So this rendering here on the screen shows the two side-by-side properties and development. In the R2 zone, the side yard setback is 5 feet per story. The proposed duplex is 2 stories in height, which requires a side yard setback of 10 feet. The developer is requesting to reduce the west side yard setback from 10 feet to 5 feet on one of these two properties, the one at 5087 Comanche. Both of the builder's lots are highlighted in yellow, and the property for which a variance is being requested is outlined in yellow. The site slopes steeply uphill from the street and is undeveloped, except for there's a low retaining wall behind the sidewalk. Okay, so these images show the surrounding area and shows how steep the site is. Surrounding development is varied. It includes single-family residences to the south, a duplex to the east, apartments to the west, an MTS trolley, and a car dealership across Comanche Drive to the north. All right, so during construction plan review of the proposal, it came to light that excavation for the duplex's footings were going to be very close to the sewer easement that you can see along the east side property line there in pink or peach. And the proximity of the duplex to the sewer easement and the sewer line was close enough that it was going to require extensive shoring walls because the sewer main sits at a higher elevation due to the slope, but then the pad for the building would sit. To avoid the need for shoring, the applicant proposes to relocate the duplex five feet further away to the west, which then moves it closer to the west side property line. That is the reason for the proposed setback variance. So this slide shows the exterior elevations. It also shows a cross section through the site so you can see how steep it really is. The west elevation there at the top right corner is the elevation that faces the side, the west side property line for which the variance is being requested. All right. So to approve a variance, three specific findings of fact are required. The first one is that the strict application of the development standards for which the variance is requested would deprive the building site of a development privilege enjoyed by other properties in the same zone and vicinity. So in this case, the subject property is the smallest parcel by area along Comanche Drive. And it's the only one with a public sewer main easement. And also other properties have the full width of their parcel available to construct reasonably sized two family dwellings on steeply sloping sites as those sites there are, without the need to use extensive and expensive shoring to avoid impacts to the public improvements. All right. The second finding that's required is that there are special circumstances such as size, shape, topography, location, or surroundings which affect the building site and cause the deprivation of development privilege. So the presence of the sewer main combined with the steep steeply sloping topography on the entire length of the site along the east length effectively reduces the site's buildable area and constrains the ability to construct a two family dwelling in a similar manner as the adjacent properties. The third required finding of fact is granting the variance would not constitute a grant of special privileges inconsistent with limitations upon other properties in the same vicinity and zone. Neither of the other two nearby R2 zoned properties with existing or proposed two family dwellings are constrained by the public sewer main and have limitations on their buildable width. The proposed project otherwise complies with all other applicable R2 development standards. The project meets all conditions necessary to qualify for a categorical exemption under California Environmental Quality Act guidelines section 15303, which allows for the construction and location of limited numbers of new small facilities, including a duplex. The project meets all conditions necessary to qualify for the exemption and none of the exceptions to the exemptions apply. So because the project meets the findings, staff recommends approval subject to the conditions in the draft resolution attached to the staff report. The project applicant is here to answer any questions and that concludes my presentation. Thank you, Allison. Okay, so are there any public comment? Oh, are there any questions for staff? There was one public comment received. Yes. Okay. And that's been distributed to the Planning Commission members prior to the meeting. I have one question. Well, I think it's for staff, but I suppose it could be for the applicant. The proposed layout that you were showing, is that the only configuration that works on the property for the duplex, or was this the one that the applicant felt made the most sense for them? So, because the applicant is building, developing two sites, it does make sense for them to have identical improvements on both sites. So, there's an economy of scale there. So, their, you know, their desire is to build a project that consists of similar properties. And the narrowness of the site, it does constrain the development. And I'll also add that I think the property next door to the east is developed in a very similar manner with the building toward the front. I don't know if there's a photo, but you can see in the Comanche Place picture there. That's a duplex on the large photo to the top left. The building next door is a duplex, and it's similar in width and configuration. So, given the width of the lot, and the steepness of it, that's, it's pretty limited. Okay. So, it's, it's, so the site itself is limiting the options for what can be built. The topography for sure. The topography is, yeah. Okay. And these are, these are two separate lots, correct? The applicant just wants them to look the same? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Just, just clarification. So, everybody's on the same page. We are only talking about the project on the east side, right? That's correct. Even though we're, we're talking about both. We're only tonight talking about the one on the east. That's correct. Because it's one grading permit, and one landscape permit, and so forth, it is kind of one development. But the variance is being requested only for one lot. They are going to be standalone lots, individual, not tied together in any way after development. And further, it's kind of emphasizing that the setback reduction takes place along the shared property line within, you know, within the project. So, I'm not sorry. One more, one more question. So the, the properties behind, those are single family homes and correct? Yes. In the staff report, there is a zoning map that shows where the, the zoning is split in that area. Because properties, the general plan allows for a range of zoning classifications and many of the properties have rezoned to R2. And the zoning map shows which ones have. Okay. And those properties behind are essentially elevated above the two? Yes. Or the one we're talking about tonight? Yes. Okay. Great. Yes. You can see it there in those photos. You can see how much higher up the property properties to the rear are. Yes. And the, the project does comply with the height limit. Perfect. Yeah. I'm good for now. After public call in. Okay. Thank you, Alice. Thanks. All right. Um, is there any public comment on this item? No public comment. No public comment. Okay. All right. Then I guess we'll move to discussion. Um, any thoughts on this? Go first. I'll go first. I'm trying to, you know, share the love. Um, all right. So under discussion here, um, I, I want to probably, I'll, I'll first start by saying I'm, I am in support of this. Uh, and I will give a couple of, a couple of explanations of where my head's at. And not just, not just in terms of what I think is the findings, which are quite easy, but also, um, looking at the neighborhood. I, I think it's worth kind of us all being aware of what we're, what we're working with. So for example, uh, this particular site is R2. Um, now there's a funny thing that happens in R2. R2 requires that, uh, five foot setback per, I feel like we might have a public comment. So I'm going to maybe withhold for a moment, because I see some activity. I'm going to, I'm going to turn it back over to you, Chair. Okay. All right. I'll wait for the clerk. Is there a public comment on this item? Yes, we just received a comment card from John Ruiz. Okay. All right. Yes. John Ruiz, please come. Okay. So, um, Can you state your name for the record? John Ruiz. I live on seven, five, seven, six Saranac Avenue in La Mesa. And I believe is, is that where you're seeking the five, the 10 on behind my house? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to clarify if they're trying to get the, the five to 10 on my house behind my house. Okay. Right. So, um, let's see. So yeah, there we go. Okay. The pointer's not working very well, which how many, how many houses are you? Okay. So, um, um, this is on this house right here. That's the house for which a variance is proposed. Here's that one. So the variance is proposed along the side, along the left side. Okay. Yeah. So, we go to the, sorry, I should be rocking into the microphone. If we go to the site plan here, your lot. Okay. Okay. So if I build an ADU on my bottom, it would obstruct my view, right? Essentially. Because I have a, I'm sorry. Okay. So I, I have a bottom garage that can be converted to an ADU. That, you're there, the dwelling would block the view of that one, correct? Because I have two, I have the main house on the top that it wouldn't block because I have a clear view. Excuse me. Um, so the public comment time is really for you to make comments on this item. Okay. Um, if you have, uh, questions like that, either after the meeting or during regular business hours would be, uh, but we, we do want to hear any concerns you have. Well, yeah, I'll voice obviously. I, I think it'll impact obviously my, my home value. And there's already a bunch of apartments there. The parking's already pretty bad as is. They always park in front of my driveway just for the apartments. And I know that's going to add more there and obviously the noise and everything I have kids and everything, but I think just the addition of extra parking, because we always have accidents in that little area on Comanche would add a little bit more to that area already because it's a very sharp turn to go around there. So like, it's really, you almost hit somebody every time. So I think it would add to that as well. And obviously, um, it's just really close to my house. So I have a huge house there and I don't have a two story in the back. So basically just shadow my house from where my kids and everyone plays at on the bottom side of my house. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Are there any other public comments before we move on to discussion? Yes. Okay. Oh yeah. Please come forward and state your name for the record. Hi, I'm Sammy Cashman. I've been living on that block for 31 years. And I don't understand what you guys done in La Mesa with all the ADUs and all the no parking. My question is, do they have actual parking off street or no? Cause if they don't, that's bad. Cause there's nowhere to park on that street. That's my big concern. And also another concern is how are they going to change it? I mean, do the variance for the setback, would that be set back around the whole property or just one side of it? That's the big question I have. Okay. Thanks. Thanks. The request is just for the side setback. So the two parcels that are side by side, there would be a required 10 foot and they're, they're requesting to be five foot closer to the other building that they are constructing. Correct. So nothing on other sides, just internally. And do they have off free parking or no? There are garages proposed. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's, they meet all other development regulations. Great. Yeah. Like New York city soon. Thanks. Stack on top. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Um, yeah. And just to clarify, we're, we're only dealing with the variants. We're not considering any other issues because they comply with all of the development standards for R2. Okay. All right. Uh, discussion. Uh, may I? Yes, please. Jerry, if you would. Um, I love that this is up here. If we could just leave that there. So I'll remind us planning commissioners. And again, just for the record that, that the vast majority of the rules that are, that are going on here in terms of ADUs and setbacks, and all those are driven by the state of California, um, not La Mesa. So, uh, in particular, you can see on this sitting behind me here, we, we know that the, that the duplex is the only thing we're really talking about. Because those ADUs as they're, as they're cited, the state says is perfectly legal. And we have no say over whether or not that happens. Um, nor do we have say whether or not this duplex gets built per se. We're not deciding if this can be built. We're only deciding if it can be moved five feet to the west. That's it. If this developer were so inclined and wanted to spend the money or whatever was required to build over the top of that sewer easement, it's never would even be an item. It would just get built. There'd be no opportunity for discussion. Um, so that's important for us to all remember. We're only talking about this duplex and we're only talking about shifting it five feet to the west. All the other concerns that I hear, I understand. Uh, there's a lot of discussion that takes place in these chambers about those topics, but, but they're not part of the decision we're legally allowed to make tonight. Um, I also want to highlight that the, that the setback adjustment being requested only has an impact to the lot, to the west in terms of where the buildings are going to be cited. And those buildings don't exist yet. And I think that it's important for us as a commission to understand and remember, well, maybe I think, I don't know who all was here. When we've, when we talked about these items before in the past, um, in particular with, with regard to SB nine, I don't know or believe that this is SB nine, but the discussion we had as a commission and the things that we frankly are trying to solve for, uh, as residents of La Mesa, uh, along with everybody who's here is to reduce the impact within the legal limits of what we can. Given what the state allows. So when we've talked about setbacks in the past, often what we're talking about is, Hey, if new buildings are coming online, being built within the law, how can we mitigate? How can we minimize the impact, the negative impact to the residents around that area? And in this particular scenario, moving the building five feet to the west, this is my, this is my, uh, deliberation, moving the building five feet to the west is an interior setback to these two developments. So, you know, the, in fact, the, to the, to the duplexes, to the eastern side of this property, uh, the buildings will be five feet further away from them. Um, the buildings that are to the south, um, they're not any closer. All I've done is shifted five feet over. Right. So that's the key reason that when I look at this, it's, it's, it's not particularly controversial. Again, within the limits of the decision we are legally allowed to make this evening, I, I believe that all the findings are met. Um, and, and then I think just again for the, for clarity, when you look at the zoning in this particular neighborhood, it is quite odd. Um, and I say that because there's actually only pockets of R2. The vast majority of the neighborhood is R1. Now here's where the irony of the state law starts to come into play. La Mesa says the setback requirement on the side in R1 is five feet. That's the end of discussion. So the lot immediately to the west on the corner there could build this without any discussion because it's actually R1, believe it or not. Uh, if you look at the map, um, the lot like kitty corner to the one that's being requested is also R1. So the, the, this is one of those funny twists of fate where, where state law and local law start to kind of do weird things because, uh, the state says those ADUs can be built right where they're sited today. We can't say anything about it. Uh, and then R2, which is typically reserved for, for generally a little bit larger development says five feet per story. That's where we get to 10 feet. It's the only reason we're even talking about it. So had this been an R1 zone, which is a lower density zone, again, we wouldn't be here tonight. This would just be a done deal. There'd be no room for discussion. And the vast majority of the neighborhood looks like that. So, you know, the, the funny thing here is that the, uh, in the past, if you wanted to build duplexes in La Mesa, the really the only way you could accomplish that would be to be R2. I'm, I suspect that's why you see those R2 zones sort of sprinkled in this neighborhood where we have the condos today. Um, but, but I say all of this mostly because the findings are pretty clear. Um, and, and, and frankly, the vast majority of the zoning there, uh, like this is more of a quirk, frankly, than anything else. And, and, you know, when we talk about things like, uh, affordability of housing and, and, you know, all of the things that are required to get basically anything built, um, you know, this is kind of the example where, where developers, you know, kind of get kind of sometimes get squeezed. What I mean by that is, is there any other plan that ever could have been imagined that would go into this site? Is this for you? Uh, Christian Regan? Sure. Maybe, probably, you know, but the staff report told us that this was, uh, you know, that, that, that this all sort of came about once the sewer easement and the sewer main were discovered. And the very, very, very simple and practical solution is to lift a building and it doesn't exist yet and move it over five feet. Right? So, um, if in fact you were to say, no, well, that doesn't make sense. Well, now you're doing redesigns. You're having architects, rework things. Right. And so, you know, this is exactly the kind of scenario where we want to be flexible as a city because there is the reality is, um, we only get worse results in my opinion. Um, when we, when we make these sorts of things harder, right? This is a small shift for an otherwise property that would have been built. We call it by right. That means that the property developer has the right to develop it without any discretion decisions on our part. Right? So, um, I'm in support of this, not because, you know, I think that there's no reason for concern in the neighborhood or that there's not parking or that we aren't seeing density around La Mesa. I'm in support of this because the law says we're only deciding based on this one very small factor. And, uh, all of the findings that have been discussed tonight are, are, are pretty clear to me. So, uh, those are the reasons I'm in support of this. Um, hopefully some of my, my rambling helps some of the community members, you know, at least understand a bit where we're coming from and what we're working with. Um, and I'd be happy to share my wonky opinions with anybody after the meeting. They're so inclined. Thank you, Jerry. Uh, Mark, do you have any comments on this discussion? Oh, okay. I think Jerry said it all. Yeah. I mean, I'll just say that, um, I'm, I'm sympathetic to the homeowner that is behind the property. I get it. And I understand your, your concerns. I do. I have a small kid and I don't like loud sounds and it drives me nuts. But I do think the one point about that, if there wasn't the request for, if the sewer easement wasn't there, this would get built anyway. And I, and I think that that's, that is a key point in this, that it's going to happen anyway. And at the, that because of that, the main impact is on the property to the west, which happens to be the developers, other property. So that's the decision the developer wants to make. The applicant wants to make by doing that. That's, that's their call. Um, I will say that on the issue of traffic and parking, I would definitely encourage you to work with city staff on that and have city staff come out and do an analysis and look at accident data, look at 911 data, look at injuries, um, and look at parking and see if, if, if, if red zoning is appropriate out there or some type of permit. I don't know what, what the options are. And I would defer to city staff that are the experts on that, but I would definitely reach out to city staff and have them come out and do it and work together. And I've had only really good, uh, interactions with city staff. I mean, come to this meeting, but when I asked for assistance on other things, city staff is quite responsive. And so I would absolutely encourage you to do that and work with them and try to find a solution that meets everyone's needs. And so, um, for those reasons, I am in support of, of the project, but I, I do want to say, I am sympathetic to the person behind for the reasons outlined. But I do think that in this case, the impact is on the, the neighboring project, which is under construction by the same owner. And so in that case, I, I am in support of the project. Thank you very much. Um, I think I may have omitted that we are closing the public hearing. So I just wanted to put that on the record that the public hearing is closed. So, um, we, we do appreciate all the comments that are made. Um, but I think we've explained that our decision is based on the findings here and, um, all the reasons that have been cited by commissioners. Um, I'm also in support of this variance. So with that, um, I, uh, if you might, if I may, I would maybe with that move that we approve the item. Thank you, Jerry Jones. Do I have a second? I will second that. Thank you, Mark. Okay. Let's take a vote. Um, Mark. Yes. Jerry. Yes. And David. Yes. Okay. So that motion passes three zero. Thank you very much. Next item is 9.2 project 20, 25, 0, 4, 9, 5. Um, this item is another public hearing that will be rescheduled to a regular meeting of the planning commission in the future for lack of corn. If I could clarify to the next regularly scheduled planning commission, and it is, um, being rescheduled due to lack of a quorum. Yes. Okay. Moving on to item 9.3 project. 20, 25, 20, 80. Um, this item will also be rescheduled to a regular meeting of the planning commission. The next regular meeting of the planning commission due to lack of a quorum. So with that, we move on to staff and commissioner announcements. Let's start with staff. Sure. Just a couple. Uh, this Sunday is the annual pancake breakfast. I'm sure you all are very familiar with that. That's held at the fire station. I believe it begins at 8 AM. So come get those pancakes. Um, the chefs are firefighters, I believe. And so they are fire staff. Um, and then, uh, the following Saturday is flag day. And so it's our flag. Well, it's flag day parade flag day. I think is the 14th, but flag day parade is on the 13th. And so we hope everyone can come out and celebrate. It's the 250th anniversary of our nation. And we're going to do extra special stuff down there. My understanding is I believe the La Mesa sign may be available at that time too. I know that they've had the street closed. Um, and then we're just hoping that everyone can come out and celebrate with us. That's it for me. Thank you. Uh, anyone else? I just want to say if they don't have that sign done, this can be a problem because the street's closed. Uh, but, but I just was just down there and it looks pretty cool. I recommend walking by. And I will say that pancake breakfast is going to be a problem. Uh, but, but I just was just down there and it looks pretty cool. I recommend walking by. And I will say that pancake breakfast is quite good and very fun for little ones because they are very excited after that. Uh huh. So definitely this will be our third year, third year in a row checking it out. Okay. All right then. Um, I don't have any announcements. Um, so let's adjourn this meeting at 6:35 PM. Thank you very much. All right. I knew I should have had a cup of coffee.

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Good morning. Today I offer us all words of inspiration from the late Jane Goodall. Hope is often misunderstood. People tend to think that it is simply passive, wishful thinking. I hope something will happen, but I'm not going to do anything about it. This is indeed the opposite of real hope, which requires action and engagement. Please stand for the pledge. Any questions to the agenda today? We have none. Okay. That takes us right into presentations, and I see we have two listed today. And the first one is on street maintenance program, and it 's presented by Chandler Kern. Welcome. All righty. Good morning, commissioners. I'm here to present our annual street maintenance programs. This is three different programs. We'll be going through providing hopefully a quick overview kind of methodology of the process with the main focus in our slurry program that 's upcoming. Next slide. Can you get this full screen? Can you get this full screen? Can you get this full screen? Can you get this full screen? Can you get this full screen? Can you get this full screen? There we go. Awesome. All right. So our three total annual programs are the sl urry seal program, the paving program, the concrete maintenance program. First, I'll go over the slurry. Oh, go back. So the slurry program, that's a maintenance activity, which is a thin sheen over the current paving we have there. This is a very surface level maintenance kind of -- why does it keep changing? No, let's go out of the . All right. So it's a very thin surface level treatment on the roadway. This is for roadways that are in typically fairly good condition. Onwards, we have the paving program, which is more intensive. That's a two-inch mill and pave, perhaps, or a full-depth reclamation. What those are is where we're actually grinding down the roadway, say, to two or three inches, and replacing that asphalt layer. And then, of course, a full-depth reclamation. It's where we're digging up the entire roadway up to 12 inches in some cases, and restoring the subgrade and everything up to and including the asphalt layer you see on the top. And then, finally, our concrete maintenance program that replaces curb ramps, sidewalk, anything that's concrete within the city right-of-way, essentially. And as you can see on the left here, these are addressed on a zone-by-zone basis. So we have seven maintenance zones within the city. Zone one right there is right to the east of Lake Murray, and so we go in an approximately clockwise fashion around the city. And the reason this happens is that mainly for the streets, seven years is kind of the sweet spot in terms of maintenance, where it becomes an optimal point in the lifespan for us to maintain that with the slurry. Next slide. And so then I'll go into some of our street selections, kind of how we make decisions when selecting streets for an even zone. Arterials and major collectors, those are typically a must when we visit any individual zone. Those are high traffic and very high priority for the city to maintain. And then, of course, we measure pavement condition index, which is almost what it sounds like. It's a zero to 100 kind of index of how the condition of the roadway currently is, zero being the worst and 100 being the best. A lot of our streets fall within typically anywhere from 40 to 60 to 70. There's a lot of variation depending on what area you're in . And, of course, we supplement that with the last two bullet points right there, our public works operations field observations. They're out there every day. They're maintaining anything from our signs to our streets to our concrete. So they always provide very valuable insights when providing what treatments we should do on any given street. And then, of course, finally, when we're actually in-depth planning this project, engineer and inspector will go out there and kind of see if that treatment itself is fitting for that street as well. And so then it's also important to consider what constraints we have when we're doing these projects as well . There might be an upcoming project in the area, either a C IP or a public project or private developments as well. So we don't want to go in and, say, slurry or maintain a street that might end up having some improvements from, say , helix or SDG&E or otherwise digging it up a year or two later. And then the last two go in tandem, the availability of funding and the expensive rehabilitation versus maintenance treatments. Funding for these projects is fairly stable. They mainly come from road maintenance and rehabilitation funds, taxes, some transnet from SandEgg. Fairly stable funding sources year by year. But then, of course, the difficult decision comes with expensive rehabilitation versus maintenance. So as I said before, the slurry is a more surface level treatment. It's a cheaper maintenance treatment. Then we have all the way up to FDR and mill and pave, which are more expensive treatments. So the slurry, just to create hopefully a better picture, is about 80 cents to a dollar per square foot. The mill and pave, where we're actually grinding down the street and replacing the asphalt, can range up. And then FDR can range upwards of $10 per square foot. So it's a magnitude of about 1 to 10 on a scale there roughly. Next slide. All right. So finally, we have the upcoming slurry program. This is in maintenance zone two. So this is the middle northern slice of La Mesa. This is around Grossmont Hospital, Grossmont Center. And then the neighborhoods all the way north up to the city limit. This is projected from July to October, maybe even into November, depending on how quickly or how smoothly the construction goes. And some of the major arterials and collectors we have are Pletcher Parkway, Jackson Drive, as it goes from about Murray up to the north city limit. And then Center Drive, Grossmont Drive, and Murray Drive as those wrap around essentially the mall and hospital area. And then finally, some of the scope of work as you see right here, the highlighted sections could be subject to change. That is because some are selected as alternates in the bid. We have yet to bid this. This will be bid hopefully July, or not July, sorry, June this year. And so when those bid prices come in, we have some selected as alternates, which means if the bid prices are too high, those ones can be dropped in favor of our base bid, which we will definitely be doing. But it all depends really on the volatility of prices. Asphalt, at the end of the day, is a petroleum product. So we foresee some price volatility in there maybe. All right, next slide. All right, that concludes my presentation. Thank you for listening. Hopefully you got some insight into the methodology, the overview of kind of how we plan these projects. And I'd like to open the floor to questions. Any questions? Commissioner Nichols? Good morning. Thank you for that. That was very nice. And well done. The, I think I heard 40 to 60% is, where is the between when you can slurry seal and when you have to do grinding and that sort of stuff. Is there a percentage I thought I've heard in the past? A percentage of? Of the street grade, and this is where my ignorance comes in. I believe I've heard that it's at 60%. But if it's lower than that, then the street has deterior ated to a point where you need to do additional maintenance, which is more costly. So I want to say approximately 60, I'd say is about the inf lection point for slurry versus to milling and grinding down the street. But that transitions say to a mill and pave, which is two to three inches until, and I have to verify this, but about , I want to say 40 on the PCI. That's where we consider more extensive treatments like an FDR. Yeah, that's, that's what I thought. I just wanted to clarify for my own knowledge and stuff like that. The second thing is that I have been an advocate of the complete streets and to avoid the cost of, or lowering the cost. A lot of this should be done during the repaving of streets and things along that line. Specifically, the METCD points out intersections as being a potential problem place and a place that could be upgraded. Is there plans to do any upgrading for the lining? Really, it's just paint on the ground of-- So specifically for the striping, or you mentioned intersections as well? Rather than doing the striping as it has been done to update it to today's standards. Yeah, so at least with this project, we do have some new striping going in. 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We do also have to vet any striping changes with our traffic department, so they do have say in what we ultimately implement. Yeah, the city has adopted the complete streets, and so that would be something that would be warranted. Awesome. Thank you. Commissioner Justice? Thank you, Mr. Kern. Really appreciate that. A couple of questions. First of all, with all the building that's going on in our city, we have some areas that are really getting torn up. I'm speaking pretty much like Spring Street at Pasadena, where we have all the work going on at the staging area. A lot of big trucks coming in there. Same thing with what's going on at Grossmont Center with the upgrades there. Grossmont Hospital with all the work they're doing. I'm just wondering, I know you send out public works to go and do the field, you know, and see if we need more. But is that, is this something you could ramp up in light of all this? This is kind of unprecedented building we've got going on right now. So, wondering if you foresee doing extra vigilance on that, because we're already seeing a lot of destruction. Only because that's what happens during construction, right ? So, wondered if that was going to be addressed. So, ultimately, in terms of the hospital, that one was brought to my attention fairly recently. I know they're doing a development in the middle of the hospital complex right there. So, in terms of that one, it's really about the timing. We're hopefully going in there this summer, but we don't want to do some work that ultimately they might rip up in the future. So, that's something we're still considering at the moment. And we still do stick to the zone by zone basis, apart from maybe an extraneous circumstance. And as well for some of these private developments that are ripping up the road and implementing utility lines. I know our community development department does sometimes condition them to repair the roadway after their work is completed. Anybody else? No, actually I had one kind of interesting question. Now that we've got a lot more electric vehicles coming online and as the fleet transitions to more of those, do you foresee the seven-year maintenance cycle being, I guess , sustainable over time? Or do you anticipate because of the heavier vehicles and the more wear and tear on the roads that you might need to accelerate that schedule at all in the future? That's a good question because I know that electrical vehicles are quite heftier than a regular traditional gasoline vehicle. So, ultimately that depends on maybe how much money we have available in the future. And if we get directive from management to perhaps maybe shorten it to like five or four zones at the end of the day . Okay, just a consideration. Anybody else? Okay. Well, thank you very much for your presentation. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Next up on our agenda is another presentation. And this one is on the La Mesa trolley prioritization presentation by Cecily Taylor of San Degg. Well, I'm not Cecily Taylor, but good morning everyone. And I'm here to introduce Cecily Taylor. As some of you may know, San Degg along with the other stakeholders including City of La Mesa has been studying how to prioritize the downtown trolley present, the downtown trolley system. And Cecily Taylor, regional transportation planner with San Degg, is here to present that. Okay. Good morning. All right. So, yeah, why don't we go ahead and go to the next slide. Let me start with a recap of why we did this study. As part of meeting our region's vision for a strong multim odal transportation network, the regional plan identifies increasing trolley frequencies on the orange line to have trains come every seven and a half minutes. But as there's more trolley service, that means more trains crossing through La Mesa, which would further delay people on the roadways. So, with this in mind, while La Mesa recognized that the nearly 3,000 passengers that use the trolley at the Spring Street stations and La Mesa Boulevard stations will benefit from that service increase and that will bring more riders in the future. The city also wanted to make sure that there could be a balanced transportation network through this city. And with that in mind, La Mesa City Council asked staff to partner with San Degg to perform this study and look into solutions to alleviate traffic concerns. And actually, if you can advance to the animation, we partnered on a grant and were successful in getting a Calt rans sustainable planning grant to take what was really just a first pass at developing some preliminary concepts to help with that balanced transportation network. So, I do want to emphasize that these kinds of projects take quite a long time. This is the first step. But for example, Chula Vista and San Degg partnered previously to look at great crossings in that city. They completed a first study in 2012 to look at three different great crossings in Chula Vista. One in particular, Palomar Street was identified as a priority and an additional study developed that concept further that came out in 2020. Now, the concept that or that project has just recently been environmentally cleared. And there's about six years remaining to do final design and construction. So just to give you a sense of the path ahead. But for our study, if you can go to the next slide, please. We're focusing on this downtown area of La Mesa where the trolley runs right parallel to Spring Street between around that El Cajon Boulevard over overpass and the I-8 off ramps continuing south to about Lemon Avenue. There's five at-grade crossings through this section. Next slide, please. Last time I was here, I presented what are basically the basic options we have for separating the trolley from the roadway. You can either raise or lower the trolley or you can lower one or more roadways. And with this study, we also wanted to be sure to identify some short-term enhancements that could be done much more quickly than these more complex projects. Next slide, please. We took these basic concepts out to the community in the fall to get their input before we got too far along in any design. And what we heard from the community is that there's a really strong priority to maintain the character of the village, as well as maintaining access to all of the businesses and events that happen within this downtown. There's also, we heard a lot of interest in that multimodal connectivity and safety through the village. This also includes, you know, maybe personal security concerns. When we talked about that trench idea, some did bring up the possibility of vandalism or encampments, and that's certainly a consideration. There was also interest in potential new public amenities that could be part of this project. I'll touch on that a bit more. And finally, there was concern about the potential road or trolley closures during construction. Construction is always difficult. Based on this public input, as well as early coordination we were having with our technical project partners, at that point we did decide to eliminate the roadway trench concept, at least for the purposes of this feasibility study. From that early work, we thought that that roadway trench would be the most disruptive to connections within the village. It also seemed that it would mostly benefit those who are traveling through the village rather than really visiting the nearby businesses. And the community also expressed the most negative feedback for that concept. So they seem to agree with those points. But with that, next slide, I can share some of the more fleshed out concepts that we worked on. So first, in terms of what we could be done in the near term, we came up with, you might say, a menu of options that could be done individually or in combination, maybe aligned with other projects in the area. But these are things like improved rail crossing equipment that can make it harder for someone to get around barriers and end up on the trolley tracks when they shouldn't be there. There's also certainly an opportunity to continue to improve the signal timing. The city's actually already working on some projects to try to improve traffic flow through the area. And we also identified maybe some new pedestrian connections. Today, the east side of the trolley platform heading towards Allison Avenue just comes to an end. You could maybe fill that in with a sidewalk to provide a more complete connection, more convenient connection for anyone heading to the east from the trolley station. And while it would be certainly a more expensive option, maybe a pedestrian and bike bridge over Spring Street could get a better way. And then we also have to look at the sidewalks that are in the middle of the road. And that's the way that we're going to be able to do that. And that's the way that we're going to be able to do that. And that's the way that we're going to be able to do that. And that's the way that we're going to be able to do that. And that's the way that we're going to be able to do that. And that's the way that we're going to be able to do that. And that's the way that we're going to be able to do that. And that's the way that we're going to be able to do that. And that's the way that we're going to be able to do that. And that's the way that we're going to be able to do that. 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Now, the next slide, I wanted to give a rendering of what this would look like. So starting with the photo today, but if you advance again, you can see what this structure could look like through or along Spring Street in the La M esa Boulevard crossing, for example. We definitely heard concerns from the community that this is a significant structure that would be running through the village. And while, you know, that certainly is the case, hopefully this gives you a sense of what the scale would be. It's definitely a big change. But one positive I want to point out is when you're raising the trolley, you're now opening up new space underneath. Underneath that guideway could be an opportunity to implement maybe certainly new walkways, maybe some kind of plaza areas, maybe landscaping, even small buildings. And small shops could fit under there. So just something to consider. The next alternative is lowering the trolley below the road way in a trench. In this case, we would also need to move the station a little bit north. The cross streets, we assume, would all have bridges over the trench. And we can't quite manage to fit the trench under those I-8 off ramps while still meeting with the current trolley bridge over the freeway. So we would need to leave the I-8 off ramp intersection or rail crossing as an at-grade crossing. And we can go to the next slide for rendering again. In this case, imagine you're walking along the sidewalk looking north. And if you advance, you'll see that the trolley as well as all of the overhead wiring and poles are moved down into the trench. And you can really only see into the trench when you're standing right next to it. You can picture as you get farther away, you would just see maybe the short wall and fencing, whatever that design would look like. And lastly, for a third option, we wanted to consider maybe a scaled back version. So in this case, we thought about what it would mean to focus just having grade separations at the core of the village over Lemon Avenue and La Mesa Boulevard. In this case, you would need to close the west side of Allison Avenue, make that a cul-de-sac. And then the, you know, just to be straightforward, the University Avenue and I-8 off ramp. While those are high volume roadways, those would remain at grade cross. And in this case, the station would need to move south just to the other side of La Mesa Boulevard. So that gives you a sense of the different concepts. If you go to the next slide, wanted to share what we found when we compared each of these against a set of evaluation criteria. These were developed early on through working with our technical project partners. That was the staff from La Mesa, of course, as well as MTS and Caltrans. And we tried to capture the various goals of the project, thinking about what would be the results when the trolley service was increased, trade-offs associated with each of the concepts. And we came up with these categories. And what you're seeing is a heat map, sort of conceptual evaluation. So there's a lot of different factors baked into this, but I'll try just to touch on the main takeaways. And you can find the more detailed analysis in the project report that's linked on the slide, as well as the final slide. So the first row for user experience, that's thinking about what just for the, you know, everyday visitors to La Mesa and residents of La Mesa, what does travel through this area look like? And grade separation would definitely do the most in terms of improving safety and reducing delays. The fully grade separated options perform best. The near-term improvements provide only an incremental change. And then when you're thinking about increased trolley service, that would mean more delays. The next row is for the operator's perspective. So in this case, there's a simplified signal system. The buses are operating better with that grade separation. But we do need to acknowledge that there's increased maintenance costs associated with having elevators and added security at a grade separated station, in addition to maintaining the structures. The next row, project viability. The near-term improvements are certainly the easiest to fund and construct. The full grade separations are much more complex and expensive. And in this case, the trench is most complex just because of the amount of excavation needed and relocating the utilities that today are underneath the trolley. Community considerations was meant to capture what you might say are like indirect effects of the project. So the kinds of factors that an environmental impact study would look at. Consideration of new community amenities or the existing community resources that are right next to the trolley, the historic train depot in the Vietnam, a moment. So the area is not just a memorial. So there's definitely a lot of factors there, a mix of pros and cons. In this case, the aerial guideway performed slightly better as we thought about how there's just a lower environmental risk associated with building up rather than excavating. And there's also that opportunity for new community amenities underneath the guideway. And then economic and land use. None of these concepts are really introducing opportunities for new development. And so we did note here that shifting the station closer to the Civic Center here could have there could be potential shared uses with that Civic Center site redevelopment underneath the guideway. Again, there could be some small shops that could benefit the local economy. And we noted here that adjacent landowners would benefit most from the trench concept because of the reduced visual and noise effects of lowering the trolley. And very critically also on the slide is the cost of each of these concepts. So near-term improvements, we assumed that several of those could be implemented together, not the pedestrian overpass because that would be kind of a different price point. But of the other things that several of them could be implemented for this cost. For the others, the trench, as we expected, is the most expensive. The aerial rail guideway comes next. And the shortened guideway is less expensive again. So just high-level takeaways. Those near-term improvements do offer minimal benefit but would be the easiest and cheapest to implement. And they could be done in the interim while we wait to move forward with other concepts. Full-grade separations have the most benefit and the aerial guideway did seem to perform better. But the trench does have advantages related to reduced noise and visual impacts. And the shortened guideway, of course, doesn't offer quite as great of benefit but it would be a lower cost and therefore more feasible. Next slide, please. So what happens next? Again, this was really just our first pass. Any additional work would require a real funding strategy. There are various funding sources that relate to improving safety or improving air quality. But I think we have to acknowledge that this part of La M esa, there was really not a history of severe crashes. And the timing of the trolley service improvements is uncertain. So that would make this project really difficult in terms of competing in these discretionary grant programs. And it's also important to note that SANDAG is just starting a region-wide grade crossing study that will help us decide as a region where is the highest need that we want to focus our resources. So there's certainly more conversations to come to see where these crossings in La Mesa land on the priority list. But if assuming that funding was identified, next steps would be to continue refining the design. Again, this is all very preliminary. I think La Mesa would also want to do a more detailed alternatives analysis to really dig in and weigh the trade- offs and benefits of each concept and ultimately select the preferred concept that could move into an environmental analysis. I think as part of that design, it certainly would be important to consider how community comments could be addressed. So maybe some kind of architectural features or again, those public space opportunities. The public comments did include mention of a lid over the trench, but that would continue to increase costs pretty significantly. And of course, with any environmental analysis, also identifying an appropriate delivery method that could balance the cost and construction duration with the impacts to the community. But with that final slide, we hope that this study provided some valuable insight and could give the city of La Mesa a clear picture of those options and trade-offs and the scale of investment. And could be a foundation for future decision-making when those funding opportunities are identified. And I want to thank La Mesa staff for being such a great partner on this study. Any questions? Any questions? Any questions from the commission? Commissioner Justice. I'm just curious. Are any of these designs taking into consideration the fact that we have freight trains that use this? Yes. So can freight trains use the- Yes, we confirmed the- It's one freight train a week that runs and we confirmed that it's a shorter train. So the grades that the trolley can meet, that freight train can also use that. Okay. It- The structure just needs to be a little bit more robust to handle the weight of the freight train, but that was included. Okay. The other question I had was about the trench plan. Mm-hmm. That seems to be open air. Yes. Is it- Is it a tunnel when it's like the green line that goes through SDSU where you're going actually into the- Underneath? I- I would say it's more of a trench, open air trench, not necessarily what you'd call a tunnel that's covered on top. San Diego State, is that the only quote unquote tunnel that we have within the MTS trolley? I believe so. Downtown is trenches. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Anybody else? Commissioner McLeese? So I'm sure it's embedded in here, but I just want to make sure that it's more obvious to myself and maybe others who care about this part about the increased mobility and I guess less slowing down of traffic and pedestrians waiting to go from east to west in La Mesa. Option one and two seem like vast improvements with that, but a scale as far as like improved mobility for others. I know a lot of- well, I have a young motorist at home and there's a lot of confusion about where to stop and where to stop and where to stop and where to stop and where to stop. Yeah. And the safe places to wait with trolley crossing. So I'm guessing one and two completely would alleviate my young drivers concerns with that. And so I think just pulling out that a little bit more about the improvements of how it will impact us from east to west and less time delays. And then I know you mentioned not so many collisions or vehicles, maybe not exactly at those crossings, but I know this commission talks a lot about Spring Street. And so if I am late for work and I've had to wait for the trolley and now I'm heading towards the freeway, those impacts could be downstream from this. So I would suggest expanding and looking at that data and incorporating it that it is likely connected to this as well. Absolutely. Yeah. I think the alternatives analysis could get into a lot more detail than we were able to do with this study, but certainly. Yes, Commissioner Sun. Thank you so much for the presentation. Do you have a sense of sort of the La Mesa stops sort of contribution to the overall network? You know, how many passengers are coming through relative to the overall network? High, medium, low, kind of order of magnitude? In other words, like is La Mesa more of a conduit? Or is it really being heavily utilized, you know, kind of like subregional in here? Yeah, I understand the question. I'm not sure off the top of my head. The station utilization, I would say, is on, I would say it's on the lower side. But that being said, the number of people who are crossing through La Mesa is certainly, there were some concepts around like, well, do we even need the trolley to pass through? Or could it stop? And when we looked at those numbers, that really wouldn't make sense. Got it. And then on a, just another note, the, the vertical components, even though they are sort of, you know, 100, 200 million dollars less, I mean, was there any, what sort of analysis went into the visual impact of that? And, and, yeah, I mean, because some of it feels like it's a, you know, it could be subjective. So, and it's a very hard thing to do, right? But, you know, there, there, it's, when you get to that level of order of magnitude, it's a, you know, sort of, well, you know, what's another 100 million? And I understand that. But it's just vertically, it's just, it would really, really, really, really work. It's just, it would really radically, at least in my opinion, change the character of the area. So, more, more, more, more, kind of a question, but kind of a question. Yeah, absolutely. And at this point, we really could only be a bit subjective, and conceptualize the overall impact of that. And, yeah, I mean, because some of it feels like it's a, you know, it could be subjective. So, and it's a very hard thing to do, right? But, you know, there, there, it's, when you get to that level of order of magnitude, it 's sort of, well, you know, what's another 100 million? And I understand that. But it's just vertically, it's just, it would really radically, at least in my opinion, change the character of the area. So, more, more, more, more, kind of a question, but kind of a statement, too. Yeah, absolutely. And at this point, we really could only be a bit subjective, and conceptual, but there could be, you know, maybe there are ways that Lemais would want to quantify that more specifically, environmental analysis could look at that. Anybody else? Well, I have a couple of questions for you. First, when you were showing the concepts of either up or down, the stations would have to move a little bit. Yeah. I just was curious as to why. And then as a follow up to that, I just want to make sure that those stations would be fully ADA compliant and have all the elevators and all that built into the cost. Absolutely. Yes. Okay. To the second one. To the first question, today, the station is right next to a private development, right? Uh-huh. And when we're thinking about the service operating during the construction, we have a temporary track. And so we're trying to fit that in. But in order to maintain service and construct a new station, so during the construction of the station that you can't really be serving that station yet, that's why moving up to this public right of way and using the parking lot area is, we thought would be the best option. Yeah. But that could be looked at further. And you had one version where it was actually moving a little south too. Yes. Yes. And that's to get away from that brand new apartment building and take it. Well, in that case, it's because we're only starting grade separation at Allison Avenue. And again, trying to fit in that shoe fly. The station can't move north, but it can't stay where it is either. So. That was the shorter one. Yep. When you were doing the analysis, I assume you did some kind of noise analysis. Not a detailed noise analysis. We know that if the trolley 's in a trench, noise will go out. Yeah. The trolley's raised. We have the benefit of we're not having the gate noise or the train honking. But we know that kind of the rail noise will increase. But we didn't do a detailed analysis. That would come, I guess, when you're talking about moving the next phase and alternatives analysis. Yeah. It could be alternatives analysis if it's something that's, you know, let me say what I think is a high priority to bring into that weighing trade offs. Or if it's not done, then it would certainly be done during the environmental impact analysis. And then finally, with the trench alternative where the rail would be in the trench, you precluded any kind of covering of the trench. And I was just wondering, is there like a ballpark figure for doing that for like a block or two blocks or by square foot or some way to, as you pointed out in this, gain some land back in that case? in that case? - I can't really ballpark that. And part of the reason is our design assumed open air trench and if you wanted to put a lid over it, you would need to dig deeper. So it has a bit more impact than just figuring out the cover. You would need to revisit the design and dig deeper for that portion. And again, we already, we're having some space constraints. So for this, we kind of put it to the side, but that could be looked at in the future. - Yeah, when you get into that alternatives analysis, that would be good to know just from a cost perspective. - Absolutely. - I'm sure it's gonna be very significant. - Yeah. - I think those were the questions I had. Commissioner Nichols. - Real quick, and I know this is a challenging question, but is there a projected timeline of what you would like to see happen on this project? - I think it really comes down to better understanding when orange line frequencies can realistically increase. It's in the regional plan. And the regional plan does consider financial constraints, but looking at the funding for operations, transit operations today, it just really doesn't seem like something that can happen soon at all. That being said, the project itself would probably take seven years to construct. So we certainly wanna be proactive about it, but it's hard to say. - All right, thank you. - Yeah. - Chair and Justice. - You were talking about the regional plan and the orange line upping. It's stops and starts. Is nothing going to happen with that until we have some sort of plan in place? Or are we going to see more stops and starts and more traffic? I'm just wondering, 'cause you mentioned the kind of stop gap measures we could put in there. I don't know if that's, you know, a good use of money, but if we're going to be faced with a greater frequency, it might be something we should consider. - Yeah, I think there's really nothing, technically that says that trolley service couldn't increase before then, but of course we're all partners. And so I think that that would, it would be a conversation of weighing what we would get from having increased trolley service and meeting regional goals in terms of reduced greenhouse gas emissions and all of that, but also understanding that it would be very impactful to La Mesa. And that's part of why we're doing this region-wide study is because we're hearing from a lot of our cities that they're concerned about increased service, you know, all throughout the transit network and the rail network and wanting to make sure that the traffic impacts can be proactive about that. - And they're even talking about building certain sized buildings close to trolley stops. You know, I mean, it's all one big, there's a lot of pieces in that jigsaw puzzle. - Yes, there is. - The other question I had was, this is just downtown. - Yes. - Correct, this is not south where Spring Street Station is? - No, the, you know, project footprint would extend a bit south of Lemon Avenue, but we weren't looking at making any changes down by Spring Street, no. - Okay, 'cause we did have, not too long ago, a presentation on what could happen with development of the Spring Street Station. - That's right, and we also had a presentation regarding a potential rail trail along-- - Yeah, and that was my next question. - All the way up. - Okay. - That's, I guess, more for city staff is, if this moves forward, try to bake that in. - Yeah, definitely. - Thank you. - Mm-hmm. - Anybody else? Any other questions, comments? No, seeing none. Thank you for the presentation, Cessna. - Thank you. - Appreciate it. All right, thank you. Coming back to now our agenda, do we have any general public comments today? - No comments. - Okay. How about for the board, do we have any conflict disclosures related to the two business items that we have today? Seeing none, okay, let's move right into the current business. First off is approval of the minutes from the Mobility Commission meeting held on Wednesday, March 4th, 2026. Anybody had any concerns about the minutes that were in our agenda package? Seeing none, I'll make a motion to approve. - I'll second that. - Okay, we got a motion to approve and a second. - Chair Calandra, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner Justice, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner Mueller, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner Nichols, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner Sumner, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner Cavallo, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner McLeese, how do you vote? - Aye. - The motion passes. - Okay, good, thank you. Moving right along, next up is approval of the 2025 Neighborhood Traffic Management Program, the annual report and the 2026 work plan, and I'm assuming we have a staff report. - Yes, commissioners, I'm gonna walk you a little through this staff report. We have a lot of streets, as you know, and I'm gonna try to make this meeting just brief and not hold you here for an hour, an hour and a half, but I do wanna walk you through some of what's going on in this next year and what we've done in the past, 'cause I think there's some highlights and there's some things we really wanna prepare you for. So, first of all, I'm not gonna touch a lot on the traffic coming phase one items that we did in this past year. You're welcome though to bring up as questions and answers if you have a particular street that you're concerned with. I am gonna jump right though to the phase twos and the phase threes because they're a little bit more impactful in the neighborhood. And so in this past year, we met on two streets and these streets were Lois Street and Dugan. And I did have some support from the commissioners. I do wanna say my appreciation for you coming out and meeting with me and supporting me. You had a chance for you to see us meeting with all the residents right there on the street at a couple of meetings, and just so the rest of the commissioners can catch up. You know, we go out during our phase twos and that's really our outreach phase. We go out, we meet with all the residents and they really provide a vote. So at the end of this, they come up with the design, they really have their own ideas about what they want in traffic coming, whether it be speed humps or something else. And we really work with them to come up with a plan. And then they vote on that plan and approve that plan. And we were successful in both those phase two projects and getting the vote. So those projects are moving forward and I'll touch on that in just a moment. In phase three, that is a construction phase. So that's when we go back to city council, we ask for the money and we build the projects. In this case, we have two projects that were approved in this past year and that was Highwood Avenue and El Paso Street. And I wanna let you know, we are actually in construction on both those. We actually have the project manager here. So Brianda De La Torre is leading that charge on the construction. So if you have a chance, I do encourage you to go out to the streets and see what we've done already. So Highwood in particular, just got its chicanes installed. We have not installed chicanes on a slope of that nature. That was something new. So we do have a new concept on that. In addition, there will be a speed table on Highwood Avenue . And then on El Paso Street, probably even a little bit more exciting, we're gonna have our first roundabout. So that roundabout will proceed with the construction during the summer. And that will be at El Paso at Laird. So if you have a chance this summer, please go out and take a look at it again. First roundabout in La Mesa. So that's kind of what happened this past year. So we're still trying to finish off what we started last year to get it done. So we hope by the end of summer, those will be completed. Now kind of jumping to the work plans. That's 2025, kind of a look back and what we're doing currently. Then we have the work plan, which is what we intend to do over the next sort of fiscal year. It's kind of a full fiscal year. It takes us about a year to do all this work. The phase one, we have only a single phase one project. Right now we have planned. It's a big one. It's more of a study. It's at Lake Murray Boulevard. And this is between, if you're familiar with this area, it's between Marengo and Dugan. It's a complicated area for us. It's not a simple solution. Anyone who says it is, doesn't know the traffic engineering challenges that that poses. We are looking at potentially, we've tried to integrate a bike lane in the past that had been not successful because we have a parking and it's a residential zone. So normally if you go down Lake Murray Boulevard, you're primarily at a commercial zone, except when you get to this section, you drop into a residential zone. You'll see houses on both sides of the street. This is somewhat of a challenge for us and it's gonna be a study and we're gonna take a look at that. We'll bring that information back to you as we get closer to that study. So we will definitely keep the Mobility Commission involved when we get closer to preparing that study. But that's our big phase one. Our phase two, these are our two next streets on our priority list. That's on our matrix. So if we were to go down, and maybe I'll just quickly jump to our matrix so that you have an idea of why these two streets got elevated to phase two. So again, if you were to look at our matrix and now we've colorized it and we've added some extra graphics that council asked us to put a little more detail into how the residents could see this. So if you look on the far right, you'll see we have a graphic of what a phase one now, a phase two and a phase three is. We haven't had that in the past. So this gives an idea of what those three phases are. So in terms of how streets are looked at, who gets first choice, who gets second? It's based on quadrants, again, as we've mentioned before. So the quadrants that are the highest or the quadrant one streets are streets that have, when we've done data studies, have both speeds and volumes that exceed our policy. So the speed is seven miles an hour if we get the 85th percentile of vehicles when we go out and do a study, or over seven miles an hour, over the speed limit, these streets jump into quadrant one. So I will, the thing that's kind of about proud to say is, as of this year, for the first time in 30 years, we will not have a quadrant one street in La Mesa, at least without a restudy. So we will have finally knocked out all quadrant one streets. So we are now down into quadrant two. So quadrant two streets are streets that are still getting speedy, but they don't have the volumes. So these are streets that, when we go out, and where this becomes a challenge and why I wanna bring this up is the next two streets, or the two streets that we're gonna be seeing this next year, we're going out to do phase two, are Bob and Jesse. Challenges with streets, when they're into quadrant two, there's not as much volume. That's a perception issue, especially for residents. There might be a couple of high speeders, but the residents will say, they may just come back and tell you, I don't see a lot of cars doing that. So it's more of a challenge to work with residents, to make sure they are all on the same page when they vote for a traffic calming sign. So I do wanna make sure the commission is aware of that. So the two streets are gonna be Bob and Jesse, right here, Bob and Jesse are gonna be the next two streets, and they will be elevated to a phase two review over this in the fall. And I'm gonna jump back to the report real quick. All right. And then finally our phase threes are going to be Lois and Dugan. So the ones we just did phase two on, they're gonna be elevated to phase three. And both streets chose speed humps. And Dugan has six speed humps down the street, and Lois has four. A new element, and I wanna alert you, the group to this, I know most of you may be aware of this, but City Council got involved in this project as well. And they added a temporary speed hump program. So we have a new program that sort of began to sort of merge a little bit with our phase two streets. And that is that Lois and Dugan became eligible for temporary humps while they were waiting for the permanent humps. So we are actually going to be installing temporary humps this summer at those two locations, same number, same location. So we're gonna have a testing temporary humps. So they're gonna be going through a pilot program through next year, the temporary humps, and then they will proceed to get the permanent humps towards the summer of next year. So to kind of give you an idea of the picture of what the work plan is over the next year. So again, the big items of the work plan are the phase one Lake Murray, the phase two Bob and Jesse, and the phase threes of Lois and Dugan. With the application, the temporary humps program is also being in a pilot program. And there will be opportunities, again, over this next year, we're gonna look at opportunities for the temporary humps program. Again, that's new. We're gonna pilot that through. We're gonna see what the pros and cons, primarily from feedback from both Lois and Dugan, but also how we're going to prioritize temporary humps. Obviously, there's been a lot of community interest. We only have a finite amount of finance available to do all these. We also have a perception issue in terms of where do we do them or prioritize. So that's something we're gonna bring back to this commission too, as we begin to take those studies more into consideration of this next year. I know that was a lot, and I know I tried to run through it quickly. With that, I'll take any questions you've got. - Okay, I'm sure we're gonna have some. Commissioner Nichols? Not yet, not yet. Anybody else? Commissioner McLeese? - I'm close to Highwood. I noticed the channeling raised curbs, and right now nighttime drivers see the retro reflectivity of the delineators, and when those are removed, I don't see any glass beading painting in the curb line towards motorists or any kind of nighttime visualization to show the encroachment in the roadway. So I'm just curious about how that will be handled. - Sure. So there is a striping plan. It hasn't all been installed yet. I don't know, Briand, do you want to come up? Do we have a timeline on that yet, on the striping for the edge lines? - We don't know the striping plan. - Sorry. - Thank you for your question, commissioners. We don't yet have a striping plan that I can get back to you on, but I really thank you for your feedback on the nighttime visibility. So far, we don't have plans to remove the current, there are red object markers around the chicanes. So while we do have the concrete curing and everything, they'll remain. However, we'll ensure that we'll have reflectivity in the meantime, while the striping does come into effect around probably the first week of June at the latest. But I'll keep you posted with any other updates. If you have any other questions about Highwood or El Paso, I'll be glad to take them now too. - And Brianda, I believe we're gonna have chevrons in those islands as well. So there'll be reflective chevrons. Those are the little arrows on both sides, as well as the white edge lines. 'Cause we do wanna guide them through this. We wanna alert them as much, and I especially appreciate the nighttime concerns, but that's so we can make them sort of meander through there at a slower pace. - Yeah, thank you. The object markers are about a three feet height, and they get mounted on top of the six-inch curb, so that adds to the visibility on top of the pavement markers that have glass beading with reflectivity. Thank you. - Any other questions, comments? I had, oh, - Commissioner Nick? - I'm kind of trying to put together this stuff. First off, I think you've done an awesome job, especially on the El Paso section of that. That already is a vast improvement, and I look forward to the roundabout, and things like that. So I really just wanted to commend you on that part of it. I'm still leery of the chicanes along Highwood, but we'll go with it and see how that one works out as far as for a cyclist. My issue as a cyclist going uphill. They travel relatively slow, unless you've got one of those new e-bikes and that sort of thing. - Commissioner, I will point out something that we did a little bit different. Staff tried to be a little proactive on those chicanes. We know they're new. We know they're on a slope. We know there's some challenges to those chicanes. We also used those types of curbing. For those of you who don't know the construction, we used to pin on curbing at that location. So if this becomes a challenge or the neighborhood doesn't like it, this isn't something where we have to completely demo the whole street to remove it. So we did want to let you know, we tried to be a little more thoughtful and proactive on the street with this particular new type of traffic calming measure. It's solid and safe, but at the same time, it's something that if the community at some future point is no longer happy with, we have options that we may have not had in the past. - I would like to add as well that our streets crew is adding extra signage at the extremities of the project site to alert drivers that there's an upcoming traffic change while the construction is ongoing, while the speed table gets installed, and that way it'll help drivers get used to these new patterns on the road. - Okay. All right. And finally, the section along Lake Murray, which is between the place where there's not accessible for a bikeway without the, first off, thank you for putting in the chevrons that I'm sure helps to some extent, and I am fully aware of your challenges on that, and that's gonna be a definite challenge as far as that goes. One of the strange things about that little section is that it is uphill in both directions, depending on where you're at, and the narrowness of it creates monumental challenges for you. And if you need any device, by all means contact me. - Thank you. - Thank you. - So I just had one or two quick little questions. You were talking about the temporary speed humps, and that, it sounds like, is officially part of phase three . - That's a good question, Commissioner. - So it's going to be a phase one element going forward. It's so, the plan of the temporary humps, and I'm glad you brought that up, and I'm sorry I didn't bring that up, is the plan, at least from Council's viewpoint, was that I can implement them at a phase one level. So eventually the goal is, we may have to play catch up. Keep in mind, probably the matrix will still be the priority, right, because the streets that have been waiting will have that first option. But the eventual goal is that I can implement those. They're still going to probably need a residential vote. I don't see how, you need to make sure you have some kind of concurrence in the neighborhood, but the plan is to eventually be able to address them in the phase one. - Well that'll be interesting, and get you further down the road, bad pun intended, sooner than expected. - Yes. - When you were talking about the quadrants, and you had listed whether it was seven miles per hour over the speed limit, or 50% higher than the volume targets. What are the volume targets? Are they published somewhere, or? - They are there, so it's 50%, so it's about 1,500 vehicles. When you exceed the 1,500 vehicles per day, they're the ADT, then you're triggering off. So where this would really change is, say, a local street. - So that-- - Cul-de-sacs get in the hundreds of vehicles a day. Even most residential streets don't hit that number. But if you've got this street that's in that collector zone , kind of minor collector zone, that's where we really have to be a little more careful and look at our numbers. We may even go back and put hoses out, just to concur that those numbers are, what the numbers are, because obviously neighborhoods change. - Okay. So the 1,500 is like the target for any residential street and throughout the whole city? - Yeah. - Okay. - Yeah, and we look at two particular numbers, 750 and 1,500. Those are our two little threshold numbers. - Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Seeing none. Did you want us to make a separate approvals on this? - Yeah, it would be a recommendation and a second for just a recommended approval. All you're doing is recommending this to city council for their approval. - Okay. So with that, we'll make the recommendation to send this as is to city council for their approval. So that'll be actually my motion. Looking for a second? - I'll second. - Okay, we got a motion for recommending to city council in a second. Let's go ahead and vote. - Chair Calandra, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner Justice, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner Mueller, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner Nichols, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner Sumner, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner Cavallo, how do you vote? - Aye. - Commissioner McLeese, how do you vote? - Aye. - The motion passes. - Okay, good, thank you. We'll look forward to see how city council takes that. - I'm getting back to our agenda. Next up, just wanted to see if we have any staff and/or commissioner announcements today. Commissioner Justice? - I just had a couple quick questions. Can somebody let us know what the status is on the upgrade of the Costco gas expansion, new parking? I swear not a week goes by, people are calling me and saying, why is it such a mess? And it's Costco, right? And it's a small parking lot, right? But I'm just curious. It'd be nice to know that there's something going to happen eventually to kind of ease up on the traffic and the frustrations. - Commissioner, they haven't given us a hard date yet. You know, there's been rumors this summer, but there is no hard date. And what I'll do is I'll make a note here to follow up with you next month on that. Just make a note. - Okay, thanks. - I'll reach out to the planner on that. - And then the other question that was posed to me that I had never even heard was, how does one go about having a block party where you actually close off streets? Does that even happen in La Mesa? And how does, I mean, is there a permit process that people have to go through? - Yeah, there is. You can go to our front counter and ask for an encroachment party. - At Public Works? - Okay. - You just right here to City Hall. - Okay. - You can go in front and ask for it. - All right, I'll let them know. They asked me and I was like, "Oh." Thank you. - Anybody else? Commissioner Nichols? - We are entering into May, which is traditionally bike month. And I encourage all to get out and ride a bike a little bit. In fact, I believe that the city of La Mesa will be hosting a bike to anywhere booth, as they have in the past. And if someone helped me correct, is it May 16th? Is it someplace in that general range? But hopefully you all hear about bike to anywhere and get out there and participate. The second thing is a quick question and or an alert or whatever. I was along Murray Drive with the class four. I'm planning on going back there after this meeting to see if there's anything been done to it. But virtually every one of the standards that was separating the parked cars from the bikeway are off. And somebody has walked along, I'm assuming a pedestrian or possibly a city person, and set them back up almost where they were once glued down . But I'm sure that those will come down very easily once again. So either the epoxy used was not right or something was going on with it. Just alert you of that. And I will fill out something for the get it done. But I wanted to let you guys know. Commissioner, yeah, thank you. We did get a notice. So we put in a request. But thank you for real learning us. We will get those raised candles back up and installed. Mollards, yes. Yes, thank you. Flexible post. Flexible, yes. Commissioner Nichols, I looked up Bike Anywhere Day. I believe it's the 21st. Oh, thank you. Really? Okay. Well, I thought it was earlier, but that works. At least that's what Sandegg says. Okay. Well, they would know more than I. All right. Anybody else? All right. Well, seeing none, our next scheduled meeting is June 4th, 2026. And actually, I will lead the Pledge of Allegiance and the invocation for that one. And with that, we are adjourned today. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Recording stopped. I figured you took it from somewhere else. Because I was like, so I'll show you. I couldn't get into it. So when you're lifting the street, under transitions, it wouldn't let go of the after. So after one second, I couldn't control it. So I tried to look at that. So I just wanted to let that out. Oh, 700 inch. Got it. I'm not going to drive. Let me take a jump. Let's see if that is. Yeah. It's 700 inch. Oh, it's in yours? There's also another one on that. You have your own one? And you put it in injury? No. No. In this one. You put it in this one. Yeah. Oh. Oh. I just want to see if that is. Oh. 700 inch. Oh, it's in yours? There's also another one on that. You have your own one? And you put it in injury? No. No. In this one. You put it in this one. You put it in this one. Yeah. I just want to see if it's in this one. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Yeah. I just want to see if it's in this one. Oh. Yeah. So see how it's grayed out? I couldn't know if it was. It isn't set. So let's look at that later. Just to just let's find out what's going on. All right. Thank you. Yeah. I have a question about the one about the fire that you started to do this. It was in the Facebook. It was in the Facebook. It was asking about what's going on. It was not time. OK. Do you want location? I can read off it for a little. Yeah. And then I can have that. I can have that. I can have that. So I'll do a . I'll do a . I just need to . I just need to . I just need to . I just need to . Oh, my God. I I You're the overseer in my step. Yeah, I don't. That was done. Straight, straight. I just want to make sure I'm all. Okay. I'll let me, I'll have Christina follow up with you. We'll look at studying that. I may have a study on that already, but either way, we'll make sure we get the information. So I'll have a picture. I'll have her name send a confirmation mail. We'll look it into it. I'll go to another email. I'll call Mark. Thank you. Thank you. Good meeting. Thank you. Bye. Thanks. Thanks. Sorry. I'm sure. That is good. Well, they moved to this weekend. This week, they moved me. I'm no longer in the city hall. I've been moved out to the city hall. They sent me over. I'm over in the operations. Over on the center? Oh, wow. So they just moved over. They put me over. I'm on the far corner. I'm next to, actually, I'm. It's a shot. He is a very popular. But I have a door this time. So I don't have everyone who can run in and yell at me like , you're my boy. I have to call Jacob. It's the cops. It's the cops. Yeah. He's in contact with me. Yeah. Give him a much a hard time. Well, I did. Wait, wait. He got something. Good. No. He does. He does. I just want to warn you, Bishop, when you turn around, please watch. Oh, yes. I've had too many of that. We need to deal with that. That's a phone right there. Yeah. He's just mad. Look at that. He knows so funny. I need to be one of that phone. Yeah. Well. Actually, I'm like. I've only been there one day. So I can. Oh, wow. So, yeah. Next month, I'll give you one. All good. All good. Thank you so much. Thank you again. Yeah, I got to move. Great emotion. I guess it's a demotion, but it's a demotion kind of. Kind of, you know. But, you know, it's not what I'm complaining about. Just, if you have a chance, the next meeting is the meeting that you're concerned about. So, give your three minutes. I suggest you do so. Thank you. Uh-huh. Yeah. I don't know where it's going to go. I'm sure they've kept me out of that one. Whatever it would be. Bye. I meant to say something. No, it's all right. No, it's all right. It's all right. It's all right. It's all right. It is. It was a count. It was a, and I'll just tell you flat out, it was a council initiated item. They don't have to bring those to commission. Yeah. They'll compel. It was written. The report was actually written from the manager's office. We assisted them on. We basically, I'll tell you that. Our own advice, may have to work. What? Is that they don't do much different than the wrong wrestling jurisdictions. But look at all of them, and the true list has already done theirs. It wasn't theirs. I said, but just, I think outreach, maybe it wasn't something that the council members felt like you could have done more. It'll be brought up to the next meeting. I'm going to stay out. Good luck with that. Yeah. Staying out of it until I'm pulled back into it. But it's a chart, it's a ball. It's a tough call. It is a very tough call. I don't think we wanted to necessarily get into it. As a cyclist, I get buzzed by vehicles. So we're going to continue to put it on the path. And I know, I slow. I know. I've seen you along the road. You've seen you? I've seen you. I was worried about speed limit there for one couple times. But in all seriousness, this is 12 to 16, 15-year-olds. It's not easy. It's civil rights. It's rights versus. Some cities, it doesn't mean that the things that you give at a park, like, at their school, they have to do this. But again, you can keep them in your mind whether they're here. It's $30. That's right. But my opinion of all of that is that it's the illegal people that are out there that are a big problem. I think it would be good if you propose that. Just so you. I don't want you to have to regret not letting them know that. So just you. It's a national concern. There's a lot of work being done to correct that. Thank you. It's a different world, Michael, isn't it? Thank you.

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So I don't know necessarily but I don't believe there's any value added by doing it weekly. Yeah. But anyone have any comments? I have two comments. One is on the timeline so I would advise the school gets out in the middle of June for our students and so it wouldn't necessarily make sense to be releasing that video where school is out. The Safe Drugs to School one. And so that one if it doesn't get released before I would say the end of my favorite thing to be the end of May then it wouldn't get released until August. So that's one and then I know that video in particular and that issue is something that I'm hearing more from like it got brought up at the last PTA district PTA meeting from multiple parents about the issues with people driving around how they drive around schools at driving around school. So that is definitely one thing but we would like to get more awareness about that. Yeah I agree that that was my thought too. I agree suggesting the timing actually might even be better if we may until August time reminding everybody by the way school is getting back in session just remember to kind of keep your eyes open for your walkers and riders to school. And especially since that will be also I think that if we there might be more opportunity because it's a little longer timeline to keep more with the district and with the administration of the district to do more of a collaborative like school is coming back in session. Here's a reminder of how we act around school. And we'll kind of go up on our ends and on the city and collaborative effort there. Yeah you could like do you know have the videos running during the after school nights or you know things like that. Yeah. When you say collaboration is that what we mean? In other words would there be a value in just connecting us? I'm sure there is. There's more of a longer timeline than what we can pass on things like set that yeah I'll circle you and Amanda Dawn and me. Sorry about the Maya. Do the police, are they involved in the safety patrol anymore? Not actively it sounds like it's occasionally like if there's an issue and if there's going to be a specific request they will sometimes go out. Because that was one of the requests from one of the parents was like can we bring that back because people are you know. Yeah. People are not making safe decisions when they're driving. They're not stopping from getting the sixth graders who are. And not all of our schools, most of our schools have safety patrols but not all of our schools do. And obviously it's something that with the city it can only be the probably only be the La Mesa schools which is most of the schools. Or you know not most but a lot of our schools. And so that definitely I think that there could be a cooperative effort there. Yeah. Especially messaging. I mean that went back in the dark ages when my daughter was she was a safety patrol person and you know there was a cop who was assigned that was like her full-time job. And she would go around to the schools and check on how they were doing and you know really work with them. And yeah. And just seeing a cop car. You know. And that's not yeah. I mean there's that isn't the not everyone they see a cop car feels safer. And so that's that I know that's something that we have to do it from you know for that side of things. But they're sort of making sure that you know kids are safe and I think then there's a lot of messaging that can be done better. Okay good. So we're gonna have to take that back to ad hoc anyway to reevaluate the release date. So I think that that's something we'll definitely talk about for sure. Yeah. Any other comments? Yeah. Maya go ahead. I guess what do you think. Since we're in the process of rescheduling the filming. Should I excuse me. Should we reschedule an ad hoc meeting to discuss this or still proceed with the filming. And then collaborate down the line in terms of like release. You mean a separate ad hoc? No no no. Like. Like have it first before we film this coming week. Yeah. I've never seen it before. Unless you like it. Yeah let's just. Regardless right you would like the idea I think is at least with Ellen. I was just going to get some material which could be utilized as part of the video if there's additional like if the school district has additional content that they would hope to see or what have you. I think it could just be part and parcel. Okay. Perfect. I think I think if everybody's available let's get it after. And then we'll use it how we however gets used it'll be used but then we can always add more if need be. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay great. Any other comments on 6.2. All right. This one's still going till May. We will likely need to extend that but not this meeting. 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And we had a lot of questions. Yeah. So for our next ad hoc, we definitely want to prepare the next one. But open to other ideas while we're in our ESV Commission meetings. For location and phrases. And now that we kind of are thinking about our next one will likely be sometime end of May, early June. Is there anything around that time frame that we want to consider too? Are these like a really simple signage? Yeah. Or like those dots? Yeah. The variable message signs. Right early June. I mean, just because we spoke about it just a few minutes ago. Again, a lot more kids on the road in the middle of the day when they're out of school in summer. Something about kind of just watch for, you know. Like watch for kids. Watch for, yeah. Just like happy summer. Yeah, yeah. Summer comes fun. You know, keep it that way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Announcements for, you know, events going on. It's pretty important. We have that on like our city boards. So we want to focus on the VMS being related to state forestry. So you mentioned, Hillary, you just mentioned that the next ad hoc, obviously the Sunsets this month. Is this something we're considering keeping going this ad hoc for another like three months just while we like collect and gather like, I know. If the members would like to continue or if you would like to maybe let someone else do it, that's also fine too. But the idea is to continue. Yeah. Okay. What are you guys thinking? I'm still going to be on it unless somebody else wants to do it. I don't mind searching, but I still don't mind being on it. So. Give me the same. Same. Yeah. Mike's not here to speak for himself. So we'll just put him right back on it. Any other comments about locations, maybe where you would want to see this? I, for sure, although right now PD has theirs there. And I think it helps, but certainly somewhere throughout the course of a year or what have you, I really enjoy seeing it over by Parkway specifically. Parkway middle school. Only because that's just a lot of in and out. I think, I think a lot of schools are like this. That's my only experiences with Parkway and Murray. So I'm sure that this happens at other schools as well. And certainly we don't need to just place them by schools, but that one is particularly challenging sometimes with no bike lane. Obviously again, you know, my kids might ride their bikes to school. Both of them will be riding to Parkways next year. And so it's just, it's good reminder that we have kids on bikes, no bike lane trying to make it to school right there. So that would be a location I'd hope we'd consider for the year. And anyway. I wonder if like a seminar, right? It just showed you the school. Right. It says school ahead. It's a reminder of school that schools ahead. And I believe it's PD sign right there. Yeah. Cause it doesn't really necessarily look like it. I know if you, if you've ever driven there, it doesn't, you don't know that there's a school coming up cause it's off on a different side street, but it's right. Pretty much just, you know, within 50, maybe a hundred yards of an intersection right there. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good one. I think that's a good one. Yeah. I think that's a good one. I think that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a good one. Ours, but PD's might have that. Okay. I like that one. Oh yeah. Like doing the head on back. So yeah. Yeah. It was good. Any other locations for this one? Just kind of reminders about safety. I have to think of something I can't remember. I don't know about Girl Scout Center. Or the other thing I've seen is lots of construction. It seems like around town and some of the road repairs or construction. They do a pretty good job letting people know, but it can be kind of good. Yeah. I could definitely give that feedback to the public works department since they have access to them now to consider using them more for that. Yeah. I can let them know. A little heads up. That's good. Besides just the release on social media. They definitely mentioned that council this last session last week, just some speed, the speed of drivers throughout the city. It was, it was spoken in conjunction with the new e-bike ordinance that's coming up. But nonetheless, it is definitely a factor. Pretty much any of the main causeways, Jackson, Spring, University, Alcahon, Boulevard. Say again. I don't know. I don't know. Right. Make room feel like right at all. Exactly. So a good reminder just about speed is probably always helpful around, especially those big three fairs. Anything else? All right. Do I have, what do we think? Three months? A motion to extend this one? Can I get a motion to extend? Jasmine, it's a motion to extend to July, 2026. Can I get a second? Jack, seconds. All in favor? Five in favor and two absent. So July, 2026. All right. Item 6.4, discussion of the Transit Education Materials Ad Hoc Subcommittee. This one sunsets in May, so we got some time. And who is on this one? It's me, Maya, and then Ricky. Jasmine, Ricky, and then Maya. So essentially it was a little bit more of like, again, like a brainstorming session, just trying to see where we're at, like timeline-wise. Also narrowing down locations and like the formatting of what we want, the like postcard. Like, do we want it like a specific size? Do we want it bigger? Do we like want like specific pictures? Just kind of like logistics and working out what we want these things to look like aesthetically. And then also going over like potential issues that we might run into, depending on like how accessible it is for people to get to these transit stations in the first place. Also like whether or not they should be more localized to where like certain events are or where people live. Like, you know, down at Humble Mates is a good place. Like Maya was saying to get to, I think, was it Snapdragon? Or was it, what's the stadium that is like, is it Snapdragon? Yeah, it's not right. Either one of those. Like just what would be a convenient area for everybody to get from one place to the next. Like, for example, an issue we thought about was I had brought up Calgon. I know it's a really big like landmark for us, Padre and San Diego, just because it's like the highest point in the city. But I think the issue that we ran into was that there's only like one transit area. There's like only one bus that runs through that. And it's from like El Cajon to that area. So it would be very like closed off for as many people that can actually access it in the first place. And then, yeah, again, just still like narrowing down location wise. I think we're still looking at North Park, Petco Park, just to list a few. So. Anything to add? You did great. That was a good overview. I just pulled up our notes. Yeah, we. I wanted to think. Let's think three just to start off. So we, like you said, the airport, Petco Park, or maybe even like just a sports arena theme. So like Petco Park and Snapdragon Stadium and the other ones I'm familiar with. And then also like North Park Hillcrest area is a little bit more accessible. And then we looked at the first transit trip. So those were the three. And then, yeah, we looked at some example designs that could turn into the final product. And thinking through, you know, how do we, how do people want to receive these in a way that they're not just going to take it and throw away. But it's something we're going to hold on to and remember to look at when, when maybe taking that first transit trip. So that's where we're at. We're in the design case right now. So hopefully we'll start moving things now. Well, there's also the shopping. Yeah. Yeah. The fashion valley. Fashion valley. The fashion valley. Girl sport center. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Little shopping. Yeah. Little shopping. Yeah. Little shopping. Yeah. Little shopping. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to get off the prom. Yeah. Yeah. The U.S. Census Bureau has, I'll have to find the website, but I believe there have been many reports that show, if you just put in La Mesa, it'll show how many of those residents actually leave for work and how many live and work in La Mesa. And then sometimes, depending on the city, it'll also show a kind of like a heat map of where they're going in general direction. And I'm wondering if I can, I'll look for it and see if I can find like a job center that maybe a lot of women since work in. Maybe they're at Mesa. Yeah. They have it, but if that's something I can look and find for you guys, would it be something to do? Yep. Yeah. I don't know. Cool. I'll find it. I used to live working for you. I took a bus that way. Yeah. Right. I mean, I've heard it. Once. I know. I know. What can I say? I used to live, I used to work at Charlie Towers and every, every, every day I think I should take the trolley. And I told my friend that she said, yeah, I think, oh, I'm so glad I have a car. Anyway. But yeah, there's a bus that takes you from Curnia Mesa to over to the other side, like Elkhorn Boulevard. I mean, it's a, what do they call it? A fast bus. The rapid. The rapid. Yeah. Because it takes you right on the 15, 805 or whatever. I can't remember. Yeah. And then, and then you get off of the transit center in Elkhorn so that you can go Elkhorn Boulevard and not Elkhorn. So you can go either way. You know, you can go to get, but to get, you know, on the other side of the, from one side of the, from over the canyon. Yeah. Over the valley. The valley. It's not easy. It's not, it's not easy to get to, to Curnia Mesa from, on transits. Is this, is the data based on like just public transit or is it like also like people taking their cars too? Cars. Oh, so it's, oh, okay. It's either U S census, I'll have to find it U S census Bureau or department of finance. Okay. Um, but yeah, it's everything. It's for VMT modeling and stuff. Okay. It'll even tell you, U S census Bureau will tell you that people car flow and you can car flow. Okay. In that year, certain drive alone, but they don't have location. Do you remember the name? It's like a really long acronym. Government and acronyms. Are you kidding? I find it. I'll wait. You mentioned three locations just now. Is it possible that we can get like three different iterations of this? I don't even know how big this expands the project too far beyond like the scope, but it sounds like there's, this would be good for events. And then we went to all the stadiums, right. And then maybe work in school and then we can hit SDSU and the different, what Mary is suggesting with these different, like, um, you know, potential hubs, work hubs. If that happens to be where the masons go and then maybe like shopping to the different malls. Um, is that like, what is the goal for this particular, um, you know, product, the delivery, if you will, is it just kind of one general one that's going to capture as many locations as little masons are going as possible? Or is that like, and then do we even have any right? probably we'd have to talk to MTS, but to like put a laminated version of this, like somewhere where it could be observed in a way that like, hey, yeah, shopping, where can I get, you know, or is that, I know you guys are talking about how to get it out to people. That's obviously part of the core part of your conversation. Where'd you kind of land on all those? Yeah. Yeah. We landed on, well, I just threw out the number three just so that we could like focus on three, so that like if we're on a ballot, take photos. Like if you're at a baseball game, take some photos so we can use them. But ideally, yeah, it's not just the three, it's, you know, we'll hit shopping centers and anything that feels like it's realistic for Lomesa residents to take the trolley to and maybe switch some travel behavior through these educational materials. If we're taught, we've talked about having one where it's like maybe individual cards, like travel cards, travel explore cards, and like one master list. I know that MTS has one, something similar of their own. And I wish it's like buried in our, in our outreach supplies right now for RISD, but it has like a list of a bunch of locations that you can access. So it'll be a good resource for us to use, but it's not like Lomesa specific. And so a lot of these things might be easy for me who lives in North Park to get to by bus, but not for residents. So I can make you something that's tailored to people here. Um, so yeah, I think it's also VAX Arena. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, it's not just the three, but just the three to get us started moving. But the vision is, is the vision everything on one card? And I say everything, I guess when we decide whatever these destination locations are, are we going to make them all on one card? Are we going to try to do different versions based on destination or, and of course, obviously the different versions requires a greater scope and time and resources. So no expectation. I'm just curious when we kind of do the long range planning. What does it look like for us? Because I think when we initially looked at the ones, the samples, there were a couple different ones, right? Yeah. Yeah. That was the original idea. I think we're talking about it. Like, I don't know if you have, like, if people in our app have feel strongly either way, but I like the idea that kind of like a couple of cards that people can pick up and hold on to. Yeah. Oh, I'm likely to go to a report. Right. Because the next couple months, grabbing one card. Right. So. Yeah, I agree also. Because I feel like if we did do like more of like a pamphlet style or like a master map, they would all like the location starting location wise, they have to be all from one central area of vices, like more localized to where people live. And I feel like that would make it a little bit like less convenient for people to be public here. If they have to go out of the way to get to another location specifically to start. Exactly. But I think the postcard like areas, like you're here or places, you know, generally where you can get to different locations based on like a map that has a bunch of different routes. And you can take them some like bus or trolley or whatever it is that you take. So I think really good. The postcard kind of format so that we can put like different pictures and whatnot. So. I'll reframe it a little bit for me. So we're actually focusing. Thank you. Yeah, that was really good. So we're actually focused on where you're starting. That's maybe the different iterations as opposed to where you're going. Yeah. Right. Okay. Makes sense for sure. And how can we support you guys? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I could read out our brainstorming list so that you happen to be there. okay, the airport, Petco Park, any of the sports stadiums, North Park, Hillcrest area, beaches, Old Town, Barrio Logan, Cowell's Mountain, Balboa Park, oh, we had San Diego County Fair, Fashion Valley Mall, personal centers, so you happen to be a good shot. Anything off of a trolley line. Yeah. Well, thank you, guys. Anyone else? Item 6.4, discussion with the transit education materials ad hoc, any other comments or questions? All right, with that, let's move on to item 6.5, discussion of the green events checklist ad hoc subcommittee. This one expires in June 2026. I'm on this one, Ricky's on this one, and Jack is on this one. This last, I would, Jack was able to pop on towards the very end, and Ricky's not here, so I think you caught just the last little bit of the meeting, right? Okay. So for this one, it was mostly, I would say, a brainstorming session that was, for the beginning anyway, was myself, Ricky, and Hillary going through what it is that we would want to see. Well, let me kind of take this step back here. We initially were determining whether we wanted an internal city-focused events checklist or an external public-facing checklist, and we decided that we could do both. Maybe they are on the same checklist. Maybe they are not. I don't know that we've confirmed that part. We essentially talked about what it would look like internally first to remind everybody, whether, you know, internal city staff, when we are hosting any kind of event, what does it look like to have, you know, not necessarily zero waste, but a green-friendly event. And then we took that same list and just expanded on it for the public, if you will. What's great is Ricky provided us the materials that the county has done something very similar. You remember from the last meeting, this really stemmed from the idea that, and I don't want to butcher it, so I don't want to give the wrong facts here, but I believe it was the county that essentially adopted a, just a checklist that has then now influenced, you know, I don't think it's influenced policy to this, to now, but it's definitely become well-adopted and well-used to the county. There is somebody, do we remember what, was there a municipality that had created one that has now become part of their... San Francisco. San Francisco, okay. Yeah. Strict. Okay, great. And so, okay, well, that's San Francisco. So, nonetheless, the idea here is maybe we can just start with the checklist and see where it goes, see how much we can inspire, obviously, internally to focus. And I know the city already does this. I think we even said that this is just really a helpful reminder. I'm looking at Hillary because... Yeah, we try to incorporate things, but oftentimes things are forgotten or they could use a little help. It was, you know, the harder part for me. So I'm going to kind of read off what we talked about, which is this is a draft in progress, so anybody can contribute additional ideas. But I think the harder part for me was really thinking about the public-facing events. You know, it's hard to really, you know, know what the public's going to do, pick up and not pick up, listen to or not listen to, right? That was a little bit tougher. But just to give us some ideas of what we talked about, but this is internal. So initially focused on the internal events, things like reinstate the green team. I think there was already a green team before, which was internal with the city that was managing this. I'm sorry. We're calling it a green team. You called it a interdepartmental team, which definitely needs a rebrand. We have incentivizing bringing reusable utensils and bowls and such. Obviously, paper waste sorting bins and signage, which I believe we have that already. But zero waste rental cart was an idea with some challenges that haven't really been resolved by our ad hoc. But the challenge, so this is a rental cart that would have some reusable, like decor, utensils, serving trays, what have you. But the challenge that was brought up was who's going to wash it, manage it, and store it, maintain it. So certainly not interested in adding more work. We need an ROI, right? We need to make sure that it's going to be utilized and be more beneficial than challenging. It's good. Reminding us to use natural fiber plates, encouraging local businesses or purchasing from local food or businesses for our vendors. Reminding us to always have vegetarian options. Decorations. This one's huge, at least internally in my home and the events that I play. So I assume the city's the same with decorations. I definitely, once upon a time, just Amazoned every, like, new event I was doing and, you know, telling all my secrets here. But I was just like, oh, my gosh, it's a birthday party. Just Amazon the package of whatever. And so I know how easy that is to do. But it is so easy also to buy one replaceable banner or one replaceable set of, you know, decorations that we can just box back up carefully and keep using. So reusable, you know, tablecloths, decorations, what have you, as opposed to those fungible single-use ones. And then use PR electric generator. I think this is as opposed to a gas generator for events whenever we need. Does that seem right? Okay. But we have one of those, right? We have. Okay. Do we have a gas generator? We promote all vendors to use them, right? Yeah. So once we get to, yes. So that's part of the public facing events would be. And really, so what I just mentioned now is the internal city list. That is a perfect segue because a lot of what we spoke about then when we turned the camera lens out to public events had to do with encouraging vendors to, you know, try to do these exact same things. So the paper waste sorting, obviously, a lot of these transfer to public events, making sure that we have proper signage for sorting, encouraging vendors to use natural fiber plates, bowls, reduce their plastic, single-use plastics. Definitely with the electric generator. We also had a send vendors checklist for best practices. So maybe that's just a task we have. It's just a kind of a reminder checklist for our vendors. Bike valet are encouraging alternative transportation methods. So biking, walking, carpooling. Public transit, of course. Encourage vendors not to use plastic bags. So these are for take homes and maybe encouraging people who are coming to bring their own bags. I was so proud of myself at Earth Day. I walked halfway down to Earth Day. I parked up near the basketball courts at MacArthur and then walked halfway. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I have a bag in the car. Because I usually get a little, you know, seeds and stuff. So I turned around and got my bag. I'm sorry. But I feel very proud once I have it. Water refill stations. That's one great. Felix, good reminder at birthday that just happened. But they tend to bring water refill stations. So it's just, they've been a really good example. Same at the ribbon cutting event. There was water stations there that just make it so much easier for you to just bring your portable or your containers as opposed to grabbing cups. And then again, yeah, encourage vendors use portable batteries versus gas generators. I think we have that on there twice. Anything that you guys can think about? Well, first of all, is there any comments or questions? Yeah, sorry. My question. Go ahead. Oh, I had a thought about potentially getting like the La Mesa Farmers Market involved. Like once the checklist is finalized, like sending it to them and they can encourage their vendors to do some of the things on the checklist or potentially put up a sign reminding people to bring their own bags. I think that could potentially be like an easy collaboration. I agree. La Mesa Farmers. Of course. Hilary, does the city have any control over the farmers market? Is that done by the village? It's run by the village association. We support them, but it's definitely something that we would have to work with them so that they could encourage their vendors. So we would need to get them on board. Yeah. Okay. That's a great idea. Thank you. And most of the village events are for them, like for the car show is them, right? Okay. Same thing with all the, all the, and the holiday. Yeah. And Octoberfest. Okay. Yeah. Actually, Octoberfest is a private vendor that our city works with directly. I just saw that. Okay. And with the San Diego maid there, which is coming up. Okay. Um, but I didn't think that that would be, so this is really when we're even thinking about like delivering to vendors, maybe it would be just delivering this up to the Mesa village association and getting their, their input so that they can obviously easily, you know, transition it to their vendors all the same. So maybe we just don't go directly to vendors, but if they're willing to work with us and make sure it makes sense for them and for the vendors, and then we could just ask them to distribute it. I like the signage too. Um, yeah. So what about, what, what do you guys notice when you're at public events? Is, uh, maybe do you have any concern with single, like maybe single use items or anything that might be able to be improved upon whenever we're hosting events? Crash. Crash. Yeah. There's like, people aren't trying compost to compost. I don't even know if it's available. I feel like I can never see it, but. I think you have more dissemination at the. 3D. The Soria. Yeah. The Soria. I mean, it's real clear, like what's what. And then there's also the food scraps that are, people are still not on board with that, going into the compost or the food bins, uh, before they throw it in the trash. Uh. But there's also not enough. Um, at least at the events that, they're always over flying and then they're garbage. Okay. So we got just more routine. Retreat. Like. Changing out of bags. Right. Or just having more. Or more. I will say, um, I will say, um, birthday again, just because it just happened the past Saturday. So it's fresh on my mind was excellent down on the field. So there were so many opportunities to do all three of the sorting bins were there where I parked. So up at the basketball courts didn't have any grain. I couldn't find a grain anywhere. Just happened to be eating an apple on the way up, you know? And so I kept it until I got home. But, um, so maybe the more low, like sometimes it's not just where the event is happening. Sometimes as people are transferring back to their cars, back to, yeah. Right. I think it's getting better. But I think, you know, when you have the group to have some of these water bottles. Right. The traveling water bottles, not water bottles, they're having water stations. Well, it depends on the size of them. Uh, more than one. Mm-hmm. More than one, yeah, for sure. You talked about maybe. Did you buy one or, um, is that just, like, what kind of station is that? Is it just giant containers? Or what? There are different kinds of models out there. Yeah. There's, yeah. There's a big one. Right. There's a smaller one. Or two. Yeah. Two. Yeah. Whatever it takes. We'll see. I even have here from Think Water Refill Station Dash. Maybe we could just buy one. So this is under discussion. Um, I will say, so it would be cool. I know this isn't necessarily us, but encouraging, like, vendors to, if they have swag. So here's kind of something that I notice. And I notice that even at, you know, sustainable focused events, a lot of times the things that are giveaways are themselves just plastic. That's like good, you know, anything they have. Like, balls and toys. Yeah. That's just so true. Yeah. And so it's, it's cool to have swag, but maybe if it could be more utilitarian, like a water bottle, you know what I mean? Or, which I know a lot of the vendors do that also. But some of the stuff is just. I have a lot of water bottles and a lot of stuff like that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And that too. Yeah. For sure. I mean, again, I, I don't want to put, you know, I want to encourage, obviously, participating in these kinds of events, but I don't want to make it hard. Like, you know, to use a heavy lift. But yeah. The fork. You can sell. The, that sport that you guys. Oh, the fiber. I use it all the time. Yeah. So I feel like it is like a really good incentive to like make them at least reusable if it is like straight. Metal. Metal. Metal. Metal. The bamboo stuff is pretty cool too. It's going to be tossable. At least it's like a natural fiber. But metal stuff is great. Yeah. So encouraging like more sustainable swag at the sustainable events. Definitely. Plastic bags. You know, trying to get the manager to convert to something. Yes. More sustainable. Or no bags or, you know, and maybe ask. It's just easy for them to say, hey, do you need this? Right. You need new tassels. Right. And you can cut out some silver cyclone. You're not using it. So let's see the better of stuff. Totally. I think the hard, I can understand the difficulty, which is we want to, it's a brand. It's a marketing element to it. And they totally want to respect that. That's part of like just running a business. Like I get it. But yeah. Well, I meant for the food vendors. Oh yeah. Food vendors. You cancels an app. You know, sometimes, you know, or say, you know, there's two people ordering. Can you take it in one container? So it's really about vendors asking and offering and deciding, you know, if we can access to use all the things or give away all the things that are bags, plastics. Like that. Yeah. Maybe even like a food vendor who could even say like, hey, you know, we have work. So you could go, you know, go over here and get one that you take home and use again and again and again. Yeah. Okay. I like it. Any other comments about things at events that? And the point about the dissemination of the public lid, how that's going to go. If it makes sense. Too aggressive. Maybe to say, this is a green event and have a logo or a link. And then there is the list. Like it's advertised online. We can really discuss that on our end. Yeah. And I was like, kind of think of things that we could do for it. Yeah. I think the focus is, and obviously I won't overstep what Hilary just said, but I think the focus is encouraging at least because I don't think at any point we want to not have people participate, vendors or anybody or participants or anybody not come to these events. These are community events. We talked about making it next. Yeah. And no, no, I'm saying this is, I'm not saying it's certified green. Oh, gotcha. Green friendly. Green friendly. And, you know, here's what you can do to promote that. And then bring your water bottle because most likely you all forget it. You know, even though I know I'm going to be probably there. So just reminders. It's a good point. That list that goes to the public on advertising for birthday. Like it. So going to the public is what we're talking about. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Because I think the checklist so far for that was the idea was giving it to our like vendors or to our community partners putting on the event. But you're right. Maybe there's something that can go be, you know, distilled out of this. That's directly to the public. We can talk about that too. Maybe that does make sense. I'm sure it does make sense. You know what a good one somebody mentioned or reminded me the other day is when you go to eat, take your reusable food containers. I need to get that one in my brain. So we've always, there's four of us. We are always ordering more than we're going to eat. Cause I'm like four. We're all crazy hungry. Two of us are children. And so we're always taking stuff. Just got to remember everybody, you know, the home container. So it's so easy. You know, you're going out to eat, you know, anyway, but a good reminder would be, you know, super helpful. Especially if you're a bum bag. They love, I don't think they love. I'm going to take your tip and take your bum. A leather bag. Yeah. Nice two days. All right. All right. So a list that goes to the public, I won't shout about. Go start. I think also maybe it'd be cool to like incentivize like people using or bringing like their reusable items and whatnot. If like they got something free in return that wasn't like a junkie item. Like if you went to a restaurant and if you brought your, your containers instead of them having to come out of pocket for theirs, like, oh, you get like a free dessert or something like that. Like that would be more practical. I feel like. Totally. You know, who does that? Well, you know, what, who often does that in my world anyways, if I bring my reusable coffee cups to a coffee vendor, you should get a couple, a buck off or maybe a little less, but whatever. You know, that's a good idea. And maybe just a few cents off. It doesn't have to be huge or another thing that they might not use. It could simply be just a small share of the deduction that they don't have to pay enough. A hundred percent. Right. And that would be just encouraging vendors to consider incentives for reuse for people bringing reusable items. So how does the internal list cross-reference our policy for our environmental purchasing? Because there are things that we're required to do by state law. So like the natural fiber plates, if you purchase any paper item, it has to be a specific percentage of recycled post-consumer recycled content. So it could just be like another reminder. Like we have the policy in place. Right. But we do have like a state law that we have to be adhering to. You might just put a little symbol next to it that it's required. Yeah. Yeah. On that list. The EPPP, right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I think, well, first we didn't talk about that in the ad hoc yet. But I think obviously that makes sense to cross-reference it too. But, you know, this is for city purchasing. This is internal. It just doesn't necessarily have to do with the public side. Would it make sense for us to do the work of linking those things together or just making sure that we take our internal list and then ensure obviously we're not violating EPP? I don't know. What do you think the staff would benefit most from? Like good reminders with cited, you know, references? That's a good website. Like PowerCycle has that lists like all of the like 30 example items and then certain specific percentages for certain of those items. Because like janitorial paper, like toilet paper has to be a higher percentage than like office. So there's like, it might be hard to just have it in a checklist if you're like spelling out each and every item. Yeah. Like check to make sure if you are going to be buying any paper items, go to the website and cross-reference that. But if you, if maybe we are going to use any, like I know we're trying to incentivize reusables, but if they're not, some city staff really love buying plastic. They can look for recycled content plastic items. Yeah. Or else be like preferable. That's not a state law. But do you want on our echo? I think that's, I think this makes sense to do to, obviously we don't want to put out anything that's not going to be compliant with state law, of course, and the EPPP. I don't remember what the acronym down for. Yeah. I think that I'm sure we can talk about it now, but probably create our list just from what, you know, refine our list just from what makes sense with the input that maybe we pass it by somebody who can do that cross-referencing to make sure it's compliant. And good reminder, by the way, if you're going to buy plastic, yeah, use the recycled plastics. I'm sure, I'm sure, Carly, you could guide us to how we did that. I hid a box of forks the other day. I didn't cast them. Was it Easter? I'm just kidding. They haven't been found yet. I thought not. Okay. All right. So make sure we're remembering, essentially, Serena, if I'm going to take these notes, that we have other policies to cross-reference and obviously state law. Yeah. Okay. All right. Any other comments on this ad hoc discussion of the green events checklist and ad hoc subcommittee? All right. That has till June, so we've got a ways to go on this one. Item 6.6, discussion of the creation of new ad hoc subcommittees. Anybody have any burning topics or issues they want to focus on? Does the city have anything that we should be focusing on? What moment? I've got five right now. We do have a lot. I think I asked this last time, but the city is creating a heat. Oh, gosh. I wrote it down, but now I can't find it. Extreme heat action plan. Extreme heat action plan. I don't know if there is a hot talk that would go like that since you're creating it, but how does that get created? Do we have a vendor? How does that run? Yeah. How does what? The plan itself? Yeah. The extreme action. Oh, it's a long process. It's like a three-year process. So the San Diego Regional Climate Collaborative helped the city of San Diego and the city of Chula Vista. And we jumped on. So all three of our cities got the funding from the state. And so there's like a whole outreach component of it, figuring out like what are people struggling with in our three cities. But this eventual plan is going to, we're going to have like different plans for each city, essentially, that are a bit more tailored to each population that we have. And what struggles we have, like maybe inland, we have different struggles from coastal. So we're kind of differentiating there. So there's two consultant teams and Scripps is doing research on like heat. They're called the heat hub. They couldn't locate Scripps. So they're doing all this sort of research, like who's going to be suffering the most? How can we ensure that our residents and community members are going to be kept safe? And what kind of things should we be telling them? Like how can they stay safe? And what can cities do to support our residents staying safe? So we've been thinking about demonstration projects. So I think all three cities are doing some sort of cooling paint demo project in different locations. And so that instead of like the asphalt emanating such strong heat, we can reduce by heat a little bit. So we're trying like different things. And then there's going to be a bigger outreach push to the communities for all three cities. And trying to get that input of like, where are you struggling? Do you not have air conditioning? Or is it really a hot, like hard for you to find like a cool location near you? Or are you struggling at school? Or like, what's your issue here? So we just need to hear about what people are struggling with. And then we'll be putting our heads together with nonprofits, which I was going to bring up later. And we're going to be figuring out like what solutions can we be thinking of? What may be some easy things? What are the more difficult things? Like a nonprofit or community organization has the money or capacity to do. So there's going to be a lot coming out of this. But yeah, then we'll have like actual plans for each of the cities. And that will be a couple of years still. Super exciting. It sounds like the public is going to have the opportunity to contribute. Yeah. They're going to be like tabling. I think they already have one. What was the stairs? There's like a climate book signing or there will be a climate book signing near UCSD, I think. And so they're doing their first outreach there. Trying to figure out like, okay, what are the gaps? How can we help you when you're struggling with? I had a lunch the other day with a person from APCD. So that's the air pollution control district, right? And there was just mentioned that on extreme heat days, there happens to be a greater amount of particulates in the air. So like even like we would consider cooling zones. Maybe we bring in like air filtration as well into like areas or something like that. So it was kind of neat. I didn't know that before she had mentioned that. So it was kind of cool. But it'll be fun to see, not fun, but fun. You know what I mean? To see all the good we can do. You said a couple of years, obviously. It's just starting now. It's about three years out. Yeah. Maybe two. We're about one year in. One year in. Okay, yeah. You'll see San Diego Regional Climate Collaborative around a little bit more. They're going to be going to various events. Trying to get input from community members. I would just plan on asking people out, right? Like how could we help you? How could we? Yeah, they're trying to have like easy ways to also like not make people embarrassed about like, oh, I don't have access to air conditioning. So they're trying to think of ways that people can still like give their input. That we can also have actions as a city. And that we can also pass on to any of our like community partners. Like any, like the YMCA or whatever. Like how can we support them in making changes with their programs? And we'll be doing a coloring book. So they were looking, we'll be doing a coloring book to get kids like understanding. Like why is heat like so important? How does it hurt us? And how can we stay cool? Cool. Yeah. They're hiring an artist. I don't know if they were able to hire us. We were doing some, we got like eight submissions from artists around San Diego. And then we did the scoring of them. So fingers crossed we got a good artist. Very neat. So thank you for giving us that. Thank you for answering that. I realized that wasn't necessarily in direct correlation to creation of a new ad hoc subcommittee. But if there is anything that we could do to support that, I realize that it's so early on. Probably not yet. But, you know, even if it's to support the events where we'll eventually be doing the outreach or whatever, that's something I think that would be exciting for the commission to work on for sure. We do have five active ad hocs right now. One, two, three, four. Three, four. Nonetheless, yeah, nonetheless. Does anybody have anything else that they're considering they've wanted to talk about? Well, pretty busy. Okay, good. So with that, let's move on to item 6.7. And that is the discussion of the chair report regarding climate action plan collaboration with city commissions. So I had a very lofty goal of attending three different commissions or two of the three different commissions that I have noted from the last meeting. And I made it to one. One was canceled. So this has been a little bit of an experience for me, understanding just how maybe unique our commission is where we don't really have cancellations often. So go ask. Ours meets the most. It's kind of tough to get to some of the other ones. They can't. I don't know. Thus far my experience has been. There's been like a day before cancellation. So you're enough to go. But this time I did make it to the La Mesa Parks and Rec Commission. This was on April 8th, 2026 at 6 p.m. They meet on the second Wednesday of the month in the community center conference room over at M. Essentially. What's neat. This was a pretty short meeting. We had a pretty short agenda. But just a couple of things about them that I looked up as well. I never heard of this commission. We know that. Maybe we don't know that. But Misty Thompson is the director of Parks and Recreation. She was not at this commission meeting. But Rudy Gonzalez, who I believe is the parks director. I hope I had his title correct. Is that something? Park supervisor. Park supervisor. Okay. Park supervisor was there. And he gave a report essentially of the status of the parks. I believe. Sounds like he does a quarterly report. He goes in and just tells everybody the status of the parks. Obviously, green spaces, parks definitely overlaps with our ESC scope quite a bit. So it was parks director. Something I didn't know that the commission did. I don't necessarily. I'm not going to work totally off the agenda because their agenda was focused on the park at Wheat Drive, which I'll get to in a minute. And events, essentially. But I didn't know. This is kind of cool that this particular commissioners all divvy up the parks. And once a quarter, they go and inspect and give reports on, you know, maybe the condition of the parks, what they see that might need repair. So it's a really, you know, they're on the road, if you will, engaging with the park itself, which is really neat. Something we hadn't done before. And I don't know, other than our field trips, if you will. I don't know that there is a role for the ESC to play similar to this, but it was kind of cool to see how they do a lot of out-of-office, you know, field work, if you will, which is neat. I don't know. Is that something that could ever be supported? Hillary, Serena, do you ever foresee? If you guys like this? Just like traveling about and staring at, you know. There was a really cool thing that our community development department did recently. And they did, tested three modes of transportation of the whole department. So they had a few people assigned to the trolley, a few people assigned to biking, and then the others drove. And they tested, like, from point A to point B. They went to Grosdaunt Center from here. And they were like, okay, how long does it take? What were their challenges? So they were able to compare. Yeah. So I don't know if we have... That is totally something. I think if you're interested in, like, alternative transportation, that could be a potential. What was the results? I want to say the... I mean, we probably got there in nine minutes. Okay. Trolley was 17. I don't know how long biking took. But then they did a whole debrief at the end, discussing the various modes of transportation. Yeah, that's kind of neat. So that's just... I guess that's the idea that I had, essentially, with when I go to the commission. So let's just see how they operated and what they did. And that's something that would be really fun. Obviously, by volunteer participation only, I wouldn't expect anybody to go do this. They didn't want to. But they're probably... If we could be thinking, maybe over, you know, the next couple of months or weeks, if something does strike you, like, you know, it would be neat if we went and observed, you know, certain, you know, paths. I know there's urban... The walkways, the urban pathways. Like, maybe we walked in and just saw what, you know, the experience was and reported back. I didn't even know we had that until we went to this commission. I went to their website. I really should have, but I didn't. Those kind of opportunities, I think, are nice for us to just know what exists in La Mesa that we could also be talking about and contributing to, you know, as that... Even though it's on the Perks and Rec page, you know, the ESE can be talking about these things too. So anyway, what you just mentioned, Serena, is actually really neat. The idea of maybe picking a starting destination and an ending destination. And obviously, again, by volunteer, only whoever wants to do this. But have, like, two or three different destinations and find alternative methods of getting there and just having that experience, you know, the lived experience report of how it was getting there by, you know, on foot, on bike, by wheels, by, you know, public transit or what have you. So something to think about. They talked in their commission quite a bit about Wait Drive. So Wait Drive, I'm sorry, Wait Park, the park at Wait Drive. There are 14... I know, sorry. I don't even know if we have a name to it yet other than the park at Wait Drive. I think it's good. We have 14 parks in La Mesa. And this one has been slated, I believe, for eight years for completion. But it's come up against various different challenges with ownership transfers. And I don't want to say anything wrong. So I'll just say ownership transfers. And then I think, like, maybe some environmental factors. I don't know if our staff is prepared to speak to that. So I won't ask them. But then there was... Now I believe it's a funding-focused issue right now. So there is a perk coming. There is a design. It was really cool. There were some pictures there showing us the design. That it's going under redesign to help bring the costs down. They're trying to do... You see, you know, approximately 80% reduction of the amenities, if you will, for a relative 80% cost price point for completion of the project. But it is happening. So it is happening. They are working on it very well into the design phase. But I don't know if there's any ETA for final development or for groundbreaking. Nothing like that. So what was the eight years? So, and I'm saying this number based on memory. And I could be wrong. But from the point that the city acquired the property, and I believe they acquired it from the county, it's been approximately eight years. Yeah, there was an article in paper. Yeah. Yeah. Was it... I don't know. A week earlier. A week earlier. Or was it just... A week earlier. A week earlier. A couple weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. But I also think that we did some research one time about different... And there was a... Or about... There was some kind of environmental issue. Mm-hmm. It's gone through a lot of... It's gone through a lot of different... Yeah. I think it's a good thing. Oh, no. Is there a website or something? Yes. The nature of information? So I went to commission. This is me taking notes straight from commission. But I did afterwards go to the city's park and recreation page. And they do list park projects. And they list specifically... I can't get to their website right now. Yeah. But it's... They have essentially... Well, first of all, let me say that the city is working in the final stages of developing a parks and recreation master plan. If you go to the parks and recreation page, there is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. There is a breakout, if you will. 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There is a program called Livable La Mesa Project. I'm sorry, it's a project. And it's partnered with AARP Livable Communities Initiative with the support of the San Diego Foundation Age-Friendly Communities Program. This is, I believe, the impetus for us having like the city walks events that are hosted. So, the city has on Wednesdays at 9 a.m. walking events where you can go and meet your neighbors. The urban trails map that I mentioned already was on the same page. And then, of course, the parks and recreation does all the stuff that I think that at least I'm pretty familiar with, which is, you know, location and maintenance of the parks, recreation classes, sports and athletic fields and permits. So, I think there's a lot of opportunity, you know, for us to kind of think about fun different ways for us to engage with the EFB. I really like the idea if it works out for us to have a little bit more interactive, you know, with the city opportunities, like driving and walking, rolling to different locations. They do a cleanup event, too. I didn't know this, but they just did on April 17th call your park cleanup. They call it community cleanup events. I don't know if... Yeah, we... Well... Yeah. I went to it last year. You went to it? You went to it last year? Was it in November that they did something? Actually, I should have... Nobody showed up for like half hours when I went to a different park. Oh, really? Okay. Okay. They have the maintenance events, too, right? Where you can go and volunteer. And like, I did that, I think, last year. So, I think the thing to take away here is obviously our parks are critical, you know, to just enjoying where we live, all of the co-benefits we talk about, certainly with having healthy living, lifestyle, and a clean and sustainable environment. So, if you happen to have any, you know, curiosity of what the Parks and Rec does, go to the website. I did not write it down. But go to the county, go to the city website, and they have full page dedicated to the cool stuff. It's very difficult topic, but I feel like I remember years ago, seeing something about a carpet park and, you know, a whole revamp of the gym and a pool. They're still working on that much. Yeah. Did you think about it for a while? So, that one, I had previously been on that commission as well, and they had been, people didn't like that only the park park was getting an update, so they also went back and did a full city parks master plan. And now they've been, now they're, now they're both done. I don't know if the whole park one has been done yet, but they're like now moving them both over the finish line in Tammond. The city's website says, almost done. Yes. It's very close. The master plan. The master plan for all departments. Yes. Yes. So, the master plan's name, I did pull this one straight off the website. I think I mentioned it earlier already, but it is the Parks and Recreation master plan. There you go. So, the final stages. Anyway, that was that. I appreciated going to the commission. It was pretty efficient. So, I was like, you guys only wrapped in 45 minutes? Well, I keep going to ours. That's probably on me as the chairperson. What's that they're talking about doing, like, loops? You're talking, that just reminded me, because of the walking. We said we were going to revisit that. Okay. And in revisiting it, it would be us creating, at some point, another ad hoc to discuss what that would look like. We were running into insurance and risk. I mean, those concerns are still there. So, we just need to do it in a way that, yeah. Because we'll make the loops. It would be, you know, we really need to close up. It's a great name. It's so good. We got to do something, Remet. We just put loops around. Yeah, yeah. Just, yeah. I mean, I got to be walking in our own parking lot in circles. But we can't let this one go. All right. Well, with that, any comments or questions on the report of the commission, the Parks and Rec Commission. Thanks for listening and hearing me out, you guys. I am going to be attempting to make it to the Youth Advisory Commission on May 11th at 4 p.m. in the Community Center. And or the Arts and Culture Commission on May 20th at 4 p.m. in the Community Center. So, one or the two of those will be on the next agenda. All right. With that, item seven, staff and commissioner announcements. I can start. So, we had Earth Day on Saturday. Did anyone from the commission go? Oh, sorry. Oh, I made it on. Thank you. Well, thank you. I made it on for coming. It was very well attended. And there was successful Kids Zone led by Maya in support from Cleo. And then our College Corps fellows, Daira and Chris, were there. And then we also had the clothing swaps, the worms, the bike coalition, and Teresa in the UGA. Those are contracts that we also helped coordinate to be present at Earth Day and doing activations there as well. And got just positive feedback. I loved hearing people just talk about how much they love La Mesa and how they're so happy that we had Earth Day as a family-friendly event. So, yeah. Good job, everyone, for a great event. And a big thank you to our La Mesa Park and Rec Foundation, as they're the ones that are the main host of it. And then we provide support for the event as a camp team. Let's see. Speaking of the tree planting, we just finished finalizing agreement with Tree San Diego. So, we are officially going to be working on our tree series like we did last year in the fall. We're going to do two rounds of free giveaways. One will be shade trees. The other one will be fruit trees. And so, excited to give away fruit trees because a lot of people were requesting those this past year. And then we also have budget in there for more trees and parks and mediums and right-of-ways. And then also doing more education like we did this last year, too. Let's see. We got a scholarship or we're part of a new cohort for LEED for Cities. And so, we will be looking into pursuing LEED for Cities, which is part of USGEC's LEED umbrella. So, excited for that. In May, we have some upcoming tabling events. We are going to be at the La Mesa Farmers Market on May 29th. And then also, we're going to be tabling, actually not even the next week, we're tabling at Grossmont Earth Day on Monday. And then I added on the table a bunch of events that are all coordinated by the rest of my team. I just printed them out. And I will pass it on to Savannah. Grossmont College Earth Day. I don't know if anyone else is there. Yeah, lots of stuff. You may have seen our community compost pile is back. So, if you want compost, head on over to our operations, VRMX2 and co. And we've pretty much been getting 40 cubic yard deliveries, like a big truck load, pretty much every week. It's just been going so fast. So, hot commodity. And we're going to be participating somehow. I'm not sure how yet, but with the county and some other cities in International Compost Awareness Week. That's going to be happening May 3rd to May 9th. So, we will somehow be coordinating with them on either just that we are giving out compost or something like that. We are still learning. But keep your eyes peeled for that. And I mentioned this earlier when we were talking about the heat action plan. But there are four days left to have nonprofits apply to be part of the heat action plan process. So, we're looking for, I don't know how many, hopefully a good handful of K-12 after school care nonprofits and older adult programs for like 65 and up. And trying to brainstorm with them on how we can design, how we can be cooler in conjunction with the cities. And also, just give them ideas on how they can do it themselves. And I believe they're going to get a $5,000 stipend in order to participate. And I think they're going to be participating for like half a year or so. Like, occasional meetings. So, four more days. So, it closes on this Friday, like almost at the night. So, if you know any nonprofits that are involved in any of those, please get the word out. We're trying to have nonprofits based in La Mesa. But also, welcome in San Diego City area and Chula Vista. And as you can see over there, we have Fix-It Clinics coming up on May 2nd and June 6th from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. If you do have any items that are broken, you want to learn how to fix or like a piece of clothing you would like mended. They got a whole bunch of volunteers. So, it's going to be at the La Mesa Library. Good event. And then they just recommend if you do want to walk in, come one hour before the close of the event so they can actually fix your item. Then on May 7th, we're going to be doing a Bike Skills Drills event just for city staff. So, we'll be encouraging staff to bring their bikes and practice their biking. That will be fun. That will be around here. And May 16th, we'll have our next litter-free event that's going to be at Jackson Park. And we are going to use the VMS sign. So, I've been talking with Public Works to make sure, like, how can we make sure that the volunteers are safe? Because it's kind of a long stretch there. So, I want to make sure no one's jaywalking and people understand the volunteers are there. Then we have a paper shredding event on Saturday, May 30th. That's from 9 a.m. to 12 p.m. So, it's going to be here at City Hall. If you have any paper to shred, you can bring two bankers' boxes. There's compost, e-waste recycling, and then also a goodwill donation collection. And also, something that Cleo was working on was that we received our Energy Star fridge from the green business, the grass? Something. I don't remember the name of it. I got a grass. It was a grass. Electrification. Yeah, electrification grass. So, Cleo was working on this, and we wanted to swap out one of our break room fridges because they're regular fridges. So, Cleo was doing a bunch of research to figure out which fridge that could be under the amount of the ground and also could fit in our small space. So, we got the new fridge a few weeks ago, and then you said Fire also got their new fridge as well. So, Cleo helped with both of our facilities with more energy emissions. And also, Amanda Dawn mentioned this already, but last week, City Council approved the passing of the first reading of the ordinance to educate and basically restrict children. We're even under 12 to be using Class 1 and Class 2 e-bikes. That's the ones that are pedaling and slightly less fast than the really scary ones. So, our team will somehow be involved in, like, the education, so we're going to be figuring that out. But, yeah, that was the first reading, so it still needs to go for the second reading. And that's it for me. Do you two? Yeah. The bike anywhere day, mainly at first. It's early 6.30 a.m. to 9.30 a.m. And it's all around the city of San Diego and, obviously, the county as well. So, the Mesa. There's a bunch of stops along the route that you can see if you go to the link at the bottom of the flyer to register. And if you register, you have a chance to win a free e-bike. Yeah. So, sign up, and we'll see you there. And they'll be good news and T-shirts and stuff. So, it's a fun event. We're excited. I have a question with the key reduction grants thing. Where do you find information? Oh. Our English City's website. I can't find it. I don't know. We don't have it. Okay. We have to look at it. We have in our CM update newsletter that we were looking for nonprofits and then the fall for artists as well. Got it. Oh, yeah. We don't have, like, a webpage. Where's the application then? Oh, it's Climate Collaborative Assisting that. Got it. Yeah, yeah. If you go on our old, our last week's City Manager update newsletter, too, it will be linked in there. In case their website is too confusing. Or you can look at my LinkedIn. It's fair, too. Yeah, their website can be a little, because they're based off kind of USD. Sometimes a little clunky. I have an announcement. So at C-Natal Community Power, we're trying to find more participants for our EV Flex Connect program. And so this is for people who have electric vehicles. And being part of the program means that Community Power will, like, optimize the charging of your electric vehicle for when the demand on the grid is lowest. And participants of the program will get $50 as an upfront incentive. And then, like, smaller incentives throughout the time that you're in the program. So if you or any of your neighbors want to be part of the program, you can apply on the San Diego Community Power website. Or if you have questions, I'll be there. Thank you. So if there's anybody else on here, maybe? We do have an EV, and you're a Community Power customer. So, yeah, we serve the city of La Mesa, unincorporated San Diego County, city of San Diego, and a few other cities. And there's a list of eligible vehicles. Yes. It used to be small, but it got expanded recently. Oh, yeah. So I've asked to, in my term, whatever it is. It's been three years. So I just have other issues coming, things coming up. But I have learned a lot, and I have enjoyed being on the streets. And I'm going to stay around until there's someone else to fill in. Thank you, Barbara. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for your years of volunteer here and for sticking around until we come here. You were unreplaceable. Irreplaceable. Until we can find another person who will join us, like, commission. And I similarly have an announcement. Now that I've announced my candidacy, I am running for city council. And so I'm going to definitely stick around all the way until at least the October meeting, depending on the results of election night on November 3rd. If I have a successful run, then I will be stepping down as well in November. But I'll complete my chair shift this year either way with October 6th. Thank you. Can you go? Yeah. I want to thank everybody that came to our EV commissioning ceremony a couple of writings ago. Thank you. Your boss was there. I got to know. Yeah. Very nice. And those that were there in spirit with us that day. So thank you very much. A lot of fun. It was a great event. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. So thank you. Thank you, Helix. I don't know. Like, I was, I knew about it. You brought me to Helix to the operations center before, like, groundbreaking. And even, you know, seeing it one, just how much had been completed in the course of a year. It was really, really impressive. I mean, 90% grant funded? Do I have that percentage rate? You're about right. Thank you. You're welcome. As a down the line customer, thank you. It's pretty rate neutral. So, you know, for what you have to do. In your rates, you're welcome. I'm waiting for a special. All right. What is, just about the EV thing? Wasn't there, where is the city at with the EV charging stations and all that? Our master plan. We're working on it. Okay. We're going to be doing, we're pushing it back a little because we have a lot of things going on. We're doing a really in-depth review of the report right now. So, and then we'll be circulating again with other staff and departments. A draft is being worked on. Yeah. And then we'll be doing some community outreach for a couple weeks, too, just to make sure community members are able to give input. Are we going to be reviewing the draft presentation? We will present it to you and then it will be available for review online. Cool. What other master plans, as we just mentioned a lot in today's meeting specifically, does our team or your team specifically influence? We're currently working on those two. In the past, the ESC was involved with the urban forest management plan, the climate action plan update. And then depending on what other departments are working on, we might be asked to provide input. So, for example, there were different bike and pedestrian infrastructure plans that were presented to our commission. But those two were the two in the past. And then the cap update will have to restart next year. And then the next. All right. Anyone else? Any other comments? I have a question. I didn't. Maybe I missed because I was late to a meeting. Did you guys talk about the ECHO facility at all? Visiting that? We did not go over that. We did go on the tour. Was it positive? Was it good? It was positive. Yeah. I mean, I went. I think it was myself and Andrea Vastamsky. And I think we had a various. Yeah, they're there. Okay. It was there. Yes. I mean, I thought it was great. We did. A large portion of it was recycle. Recycling facility again. I know we had recently done one of those about a year ago or stuff. So, I'm not sure if you were with that. Yeah. Yeah. We were there together. Right. It was really cool to see the size of the digesters and just, you know, their breadth and learn all of the stats about, you know, how, just how much they can, I can't even remember what it is, how many yards they can, you know, move through it in a day. And it was really cool to actually get to handle. It was neat. I was able to handle some of the byproduct. Digestate is the solid byproduct. And then there's a natural gas that's created from this process as well. The digestate is used as like soil additive. It could be used like not quite a fertilizer, but it can be, yeah, just an additive to soil. The natural gas is really neat. It co-recaptures that. And it's processed at a down the line facility, but they essentially get credit that they then utilize natural gas. It's, you know, once processed, put it right back into the truck. So even, you know, they're recapturing, if you will, their own gas, you know, product from the digesters. The, a little bit of bummer was that we couldn't see in, because there was quite a bit of construction going on right now. They are, I think, in the process of getting another one of the digesters online. Yeah. So it was, we weren't able to like take a peek in. I don't know why I wanted this, but I wanted to like look in and see things digested. But. I didn't have a video, you know, cameras in there. And, and, you know, they, they played a couple of videos for us. I don't remember that they played one showing like inside of the actual digester. But, you know, the way they described us just huge, like auger going on in there, moving slowly, really slowly all the time. They talked about just kind of all of the, yeah, I wish I could recount it other than being impressed. That's usually how things go when it's science-y. And I'm like, that's so impressive. I really forgot all of the important statistics that went into that. But it was really neat to see just, again, how the size of the, you know, these are huge. It's huge, this 80. And somebody mentioned the other day that you, this is about to have one come online with the AWP project. AWP, yeah. So we're going to be doing behind the meter, I think, to capture. Okay. Right. Yeah. It'll be interesting that this has to happen, but I wonder what the difference between, because you're going to be, your product will be a little different, right, that you're processing. I wonder if there's any difference between one kind of AD versus the other because of what they're handling. I think there is. There is. Yeah. Yeah. The source material is completely different. So. Right. Yeah. I think there is. That's a science-y question. That's a science-y question. And I'll be super impressed when I learn it. I don't know what you. We forget all of them. But, um, so I mean, it was, it was a really neat, but that I definitely want to go back once we're able to peek in. I don't know why I don't want to see it. I do not want to see inside Helix. No offense to you. That different product is going into Helix. And to AWP product is a waste of reclamation. Um, but yeah, I mean, it was really neat. So hopefully, um, obviously it'll, I don't know if I'll be on commission or not, but hopefully there is another opportunity to, um, go check it out once you can access inside those, those digesters. And like, see a burp and belch. That's really what I wanted to see. It did not do gross things. And that's where the compost goes from? Yeah. Well, there's a couple of facilities, but I know it does produce compost there, but we get ours from Ramona or something. No, our mulch comes from Ramona, our compost, um, somewhere else from Escanito. Cause it's not technically compost. It's just like the less silver. Yeah. Yeah. Um, if I'm remembering it's used, yeah, sometimes. Natural methods. Yeah. And right. Right. Uh, was it, well, now I, what was the stuff? Do you remember Hillary or do you remember Kate where they said, if you break down, this is part of the recycling element that, that, uh, you know, it's using the crushed up drywall. Well, it was like water percolate into the soil. That was neat. Yeah. So, so when drywalls reach the end of its life as one of the recycling opportunities that they have is they'll take it and I'll crush it down. I don't know if the ed coast doing this or selling it to a, probably somebody who does this, but they take the drywall and they crush it down until it's just granular and they'll add it to, yeah, to like tree farm soil just because it helps create, um, just more opportunity for the water to dissipate into the ground and stay as opposed to being evaporated out. I think it's, it was just really neat. I was like, there was some cool stuff. You make natural materials, right? Yeah. Yeah. I had the same thought. I was like, what are we doing? But now, yeah. Neat stuff. Yeah. Really good. Yeah. So hopefully I'd love to get another, like, I'm going to call it a field trip because I have kids, but I'd love to get it. Like one more field trip on calendar for the year. If we have any interest of going anywhere, maybe we could go to the R and Levy. I know that there's one already happening in May, May 16th. We could go to the AWP project if you guys want to do it. Would there be interest in doing a walk at the AWP project? The, the, waste reclamation? I'm not going to say everybody's alternative. What is that? Right. Advanced water. Advanced water. That's a shower. So flowers. It's going to be good. That's so good. I know the branding of it in the nineties didn't work out, but this one is, yeah, this one is going to showers to flowers. Um, but it's really, really cool. Definitely. Has anybody been? So Hillary, if you, if you want to just let me know. Okay. It's not a better time. I don't know. Like we can do it anytime during the day. I'll rate that for option. No problem. Yeah. Thank you. Great. All right, you guys, anything else on staff and commissioner announcements? All right. With that, we are adjourned at 7:40 PM. Thank you. Thank you.