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Thank you. sidewalk and curbing gutter improvements that were completed as part of the russell street project just a couple overview items for those that might be joining us online this is uh called river road improvement project we are in city council ward 6. this project exists in our urban renewal district 2 which has a sunset date of 2031 which is coming up on us so i think that's important to point out uh the request before the board today is to approve entering into a professional services agreement with imeg consulting corp for an amount of 99 for 99 450 and then an amount for that associated project management which is two and a half percent of of of the project components mra has an existing mou with public works and mobility to do project management for our sidewalk projects and our water projects um as a overview of the scope and the benefit of this project it's going to improve pedestrian connectivity along river road uh to the riverfront trail system as well as like i said the russell street improvements um it's going to improve uh improve the site and sightline at salter lane which is the road that turns off to go to monrock uh provides safer ingress and egress there for the trucks um and then it will also include a component of municipal water there's a there's a gap in our municipal water line right in this project and so this project rolls in an uh an extension of the water water main that mra paid for as part of the garden city harvest project but it terminates right there so this project will pick up that water main and extend it further to the west looking at the bottom of your cover page there is a new the city recently put on the website of the new strategic plan so we've got um some new goals that are different than what you've seen in the past on our memos this project fits under pillar number one thriving people in neighborhoods which its goal is to invest in complete connected neighborhoods where residents of all backgrounds and abilities can thrive goal number 1.2 and 1.5 are applicable to this project maintaining neighborhood mobility and access to daily needs and improving our infrastructure anything else joe um i can go if you want to look in your memo you can see a google map of the aerial view of the project scope it's going to provide 1300 feet of um a complete street in this area and 230 linear feet of a new water main and as far as the um the scope of of imeg's design that they're proposing that scope is attached to your board memo um i summarized it in the in my memo essentially you know outreach to the public several meetings they're going to you know be evaluating crash data looking at existing utilities and the irrigation ditch in this area and then they're going to come back and do a public meeting at garden city harvest with a proposed um options um they're in this area there's uh proposed to be possibly a shared use path because we're we have a narrow right of way we have curbside sidewalk and then also boulevard all along river road the project schedule is anticipated to be design and engineering this summer and bidding hopefully in the winter and then constructing next summer uh that second or third page of the memo shows an overview of this is from missoulamaps.com which is the city's map page and this is where you can go out and look at all of our utilities and as you can see in this area there is there is the gap in the water water main so this project will provide that unique benefit of being able at the same time that we're going to redo all the public infrastructure go in there and extend that water main um i will say that what's not in the memo is that public works and mobility is looking at continuing this project to the west within a year or two after completion of mra's project so that's a nice catalyst to see what we're going to get is a complete street eventually on that river road so it'll be improved all the way from russell to reserve looking at the budget we've um right now this this project is included in the city's community investment program as it's in there it's submitted with a budget estimated total budget right now of approximately one one million eleven thousand and if we i just gave you a reference for like if you were to look at our mra proposed fiscal year 2027 budget that those ci community investment program projects are not that you know they're over there on the side their name is there they have an estimate um so without putting any numbers into that actual budget column the contingency is 5.2 million i know um mark is on and i'm not sure um if ross is there too i can't see everybody on my phone but happy to answer any questions um or mark can answer to more specifics for you thank you can i add one thing really quick this is ross mollenhoward engineering manager for public works um i just want to share my screen really quick because this picture really gets me about why we need better sidewalks in this area this is if you can see my screen now that's river road and this google street view you can just imagine telling your kid to walk down the sidewalk and then it ends right there and you have to go out into traffic and there's no sidewalk on the other side of the street and to me that picture just kind of tells why we need more sidewalks in this area right there i just want to add that thanks y'all that's all i had all right questions now yeah well i was just wondering this map on page three that came from the city so blue means that's the existing and then what are those imagine triangles or not triangles oh that's a hybrid okay that's my guess don't yeah what does this map mean i just need a little so blue is where already exists you guys know what he's talking about uh yeah those are hydrants they're hydrants okay this is like existing today yes yes got it thank you this is existing infrastructure yes yeah the blue water yeah right here i just want to say it's like a metaphor for urban rural districts we're going to fill the gap right there that's okay well and then just so uh give a little history from the old guys um 2008 was it yeah but we started yeah in 2008 after the recession nothing was going on and we looked at this district and said it's missing a lot of sidewalks and we should do uh sizable chunks of sidewalks and what i mean sizable in in in sizes where we could get multiple contractors and have local contractors do it and the whole thing um and uh see if we could fill with many of these gaps and then well literally nobody was working right no one was working so that way we saw we could you know do do two things with once and then as we uh started planning for the end of this district we decided to do the same thing with water lines right uh and we admitted to build out the sidewalk network everywhere that we had right away or could get decent right right coming towards the end so in other words this makes joe's job real easy because we're this she just uh doing what's what we're supposed to we had a guy for years and did these things and we always talk about how no one and we never said no to one of todd's projects because that's what he and he did and yes i have a question for ross okay um ross it is is there sewer on river road there i have to check i believe i believe that there is give me give me just a minute yep uh mark you know i believe there is yeah okay anything else just to comment that uh that i mean that's kind of completing the trifecta of infrastructure needs to facilitate development so that's you guys get to be the get pillars okay so if there's nothing else is there a motion can't read the whole thing yeah go ahead michael uh i moved that the mra insert equal professional services agreement with i make the sultan support for the river available improvement project 99 450 and mra engaged public works mobility to oversee the project under the memorandum of understanding for mra infrastructure project management for 2.5 percent of the total design and engineering fees up to 2486 dollars and use tax increment financing to fund the project and authorize the board chair to sign related documents okay motion by mike is there second second it thanks second any further comments or questions any public comments or questions yes no hands raised what's that anything let's say no hands raised all right it's not all in favor say hi hi any opposed motion passes unanimously missouli economic partnership okay okay okay good afternoon hi um so the city and mra have been lucky to have a partnership with mb several years um after two successful contracts with insula economic partnership we have a reward approved a three-year contract with nep in june of 2024 to support redevelopment of city onsites and further economic growth in the city's urban renewal districts that contract with nep states that funding would be approved by the board annually so that contract allows for an initial 100 000 payment annually through fiscal year 27 so this was a contract from fiscal year 2025 to 2027 that current contract expires on june 30th of 2027 um and so back to the funding piece that contract allowed an initial hundred thousand payment annually with the opportunity for up to an additional 50 000 if nep staff time in the urban renewal districts exceeded projections in the last two fiscal years we have come back to the board mid-year to request that additional 50 000 because we've been keeping nep pretty busy and so they've shared reports at those times of what they've been working on and what the projected workload was for the remaining fiscal year um grant cure is here today to highlight some of the activity they've been doing um uh they contain fiscal year 26 related to the contract and then we've also highlighted in the memo some of the areas of focus that we anticipate for the coming fiscal year so the motion in front of you today is a staff recommendation that the board approved approved that 100 000 in fiscal year 27 for continued implementation of this three-year contract and support economic development in the urban renewal districts final urban renewal district allocation in the fiscal year 27 funding was for based on a breakdown of nep staff time so at the end of the fiscal year they provide us you know that reporting um and then joe's able to um make that real reconciliation um within the but reports so that's the request reporting today um and i'm going to turn it over to grant if he wants to share some highlights about what we've been working on and what's coming next thank you annie um yeah i guess what i'd start by saying is we also feel lucky to be in this partnership um i think there's just really strong alignment with our with our comprehensive economic development strategy and our strategic plan as an organization with the sort of activities of mra right now um we were generously awarded uh midtown nonprofit of the year this year and i would say it should be a shared award with mra because we wouldn't be able to do the work we're doing in midtown without the support of mra um and that you know the accomplishments i mean i think i think we all share pride in the same accomplishments over the past year and really frankly some extraordinary accomplishments for the city of missoula the work at midtown commons which for us you may recall started with you guys support our very first contract with you i believe was to start the conversations with the beaches and the lambros about trying to do a consolidated purchase and so to see that i'm i'm told by the developer that grant will break probably next month there is amazing um and i think that will be just such an incredible project for the community so um i think every single person who's been involved with that just takes a ton of pride in seeing that come to fruition so that's a big one for us to feel good about um which got less attention in the past but rose to the level of the missoula this year is that we've been quietly also working to try to create an opportunity for the city to partner with the us4 service we have known for a very long time that they plan to dispose of that property we have been trying to apply um pressure to accelerate the disposition of that property wherever possible and i think that um well i don't know that we've done much to advance their timeline i think they're now we've now hosted two different meetings with the city staff and i think there's a real intention right now to try to collaborate on a public-private partnership that would include the forest service and the city in trying to figure out how to dispose of that in a way that meets the city's goals and that forest service needs so that's been a huge um opportunity to try to bring forward for the mra and outside of midtown where that also well i don't want to first franklin crossing is also one that frankly emerged from our efforts at midtown crossing and captured the interest of a development team that came back to the table to look at moving really quickly on that process and that's um i think happy to report that according to the montana board of housing highest ranking project in the state for state incentives to support workforce housing right now in addition we've been really trying to stay at the table um in a partner to mra to bring the private sector to the table at the for annexation and new york expansion uh the roseburg area just to really make sure that we capture every opportunity for bringing in the companies that we want to see a part of that um and i guess i'd finish that by saying like we really see our partnership as both helping utilize mra existing funds in strategic ways but also trying to make sure that we are increasing the tax base and making sure that there are funds to use that pro and that will support the city uh when these things eventually leave the urd designation and become part of the general tax base so um stuff that i think hopefully everyone at mra is thrilled about and all of these board members have already been tracking but stuff that we've been trying to stay focused on and support and just be a catalyst for things to move a little faster with the private sector and i and i guess i would say it's been incredibly awesome to watch the mra team take these like seeds of conversations that we start with the private sector and turn them into meaningful outcomes that go in front of city council with financial support from his body so kudos to everyone and we would love the honor to keep doing this questions anyone i don't have a question but i have a comment i'd like to make comments i just i've been on the the i guess the third party side of mp's uh involvement in this contract with mra uh as a member of the county with the roseburg site and what mp has a really like pretty impressive skill of doing is the foundation and moving these projects forward and and in a way that that stops them from getting gummed up and and with local government we're good at coming things up and i mean genius very good at continuing fixing that moving things forward so this in my view is is for our community worth every yes um are you going to turn well this is what i wanted to say in that vein that next spring will be here in four seconds right that time seems to be accelerated right now if we can look at the next contract to set everyone up for success as fun as it is to see julian grant mid-year and then also see them every single month with these massive projects i i don't want to hinder their work with come and ask for the additional funding that we know they need for these especially these three super active um urban renewal districts so as we go into the next three-year contract we can think of ways to make this easier as we know the workload is not going backwards the next five to ten years there's just no humanly possible way that we don't need mp as much as we have needed in the last two years so no i'm not going to mess with this but i just would request let's let's set this up in a way for success for both agencies for the next contract and i you know i i may have my history wrong but i think that this came from me like when you first proposed tripling the amount i was really uncomfortable with knowing if we were going to be able to work at a rate that would justify that and so i suggested the check-ins you know i have no longer worried that we have the potential to work at that rate i think that's like really important to work with the staff on like the right form but i would also appreciate the sort of streamline approach that makes sure we're not so really comfortable that the staff and the team are getting the value out of our work but yeah i think i would agree with that thank you well i have two two things if i say unless anybody else so the first thing is uh so 14 decathlon the forest service property that's started i mean i know they've conversation started conversations conversations there's even some paperwork going back oh wow yeah with between forest services yeah but where is it albuquerque or is it who is where is it coming from in the forest service the authorized agents at the forest service the team that's in charge of the disposition of the property is and is there a team that's my question i mean is there in us there is a you know i think it's fair to say there is a lot of work and a lack of capacity across the forest service all aspects of their efforts right now right um so it is a team that has a lot on their plates right and we are trying to make sure that they know how much we appreciate them but also how important this is to us okay as we as andrew noted we always try to do it with all of our partners and sometimes they appreciate it and sometimes they don't but we do feel like our job is to try to keep moving things forward as quickly as possible and i feel like we're seeing motion here in a positive way and the second thing is the streamlining great and all that stuff but i think the check-ins are important and because they really we know we're never surprised and thanks for being work on it big so it's not like we're getting uh you know 25 or 50 or even a hundred thousand dollar request you guys show up it's it's a big you keep adding zero and so i i uh i i we can streamline our process we can streamline it don't get me wrong and there's ways we can do that but i would hope that that would also be for the check-in updates are great yeah i think like just sort of like i don't disagree those are important yeah and i let me just reassure all of you on the board and i hope ellen will say this is right we never get ahead of ellen and her team on on what we're working on we're not out creating new project priorities that haven't been brought to us no i'm not concerned about that but they i mean if you if you do the check-ins then there's a sort of almost a structural way of us keeping informed of what's going on potentially way in the future yeah which is nice to know as we budget and all of that stuff and i'll be honest uh we like coming to tell you what we're doing because so far it's all been very like we're all very excited to be making this progress so we don't mind coming to give updates however however often you feel like you want them or you know and we like seeing you too anything else yeah carl i would just add more for the public record than anything that i find this relationship and i think i'll speak for the mayor on this as well with um mp invaluable for moving forward projects and getting getting things to a point where they're easily understandable what the community benefit is but also there are very few economic development tools that we have at local afghanistan obviously the mra is our big tool and having a partnership with uh mp is is crucial on that front i think that uh as a fellow person who sometimes gets maligned for trying to do good work in the community i think that we need to state that mp is great for the community and better wants good work um that is something misunderstood so i like the transparency of coming and giving out dates as well and they're just things that mp can do that local government cannot or that sometimes the parties might not trust local government to do like having a md be able to bring parties to the table and negotiate a purchase on the property by south d mall i don't believe we that's what we would have done because mp wasn't there exactly and so i think that just that illustrates some of the benefit of having this partnership so as a city council person i really appreciate the mra's best amenities okay and kind of quick detailed question just as i'm catching up looking at the areas of focus on fiscal year 26 versus 27 it it makes sense because there's a lot of continuity and growing momentum the one thing that i do see in 26 though that's not reflected was involvement in the task force on city land redevelopment has that sunsetted or is that sort of a sort of a one-time group and so we're we're still using that task force report to guide kind of how we approach work but there's no longer ongoing meetings of the task force all right thank you but they're available to be called on if needed should the task arise thank you anything else is there a oh you just this is a practice that's becoming overkill but transparency is probably in order of actually both like that the mvp board would go on here so no conflicts no thank you the only voting member of the i mean sorry i'll make you make it so there's you i'm next official as well and then people are saying i'll vote you never so i might ask if you're okay with it if you would abstain from voting on this just because of that if you're i never had abstained for voting on it um as a volunteer on paid board member it has always felt like a zero conflict there i'll defer to you probably if you think that's appropriate or not i think it's a appropriate for him to vote agree yes yeah i appreciate your sensitivity yeah yeah um i'd like to make a look show you know would you please i would love to i would that we approve a hundred thousand dollars in fiscal year 27 urban renewal district funding for continued implementation of the approved three-year contract that extends through fiscal year 27 and supports economic development in the urban renewal districts final urban renewal district allocation of fiscal year 27 funding will occur based on a breakdown of mp staff time is there a second item that second any uh additional questions or comments from the ward or any public comment yes i just want to point out that there may well be an additional fifty thousand dollars right we're still under the uh the original check it which is yeah yeah it was 100 but then i understand that we could go to 150 right right and for the new board members we uh are very reluctant twice in 30 years we are come back a second time on the same project and we tell everyone that get money sharpen your pencil because we don't come back and give a second grant so when this came up we made sure that it recovered in terms of opening having that possibility but otherwise we'll we don't do this if we see the need that if we see that there may be a need to come back for additional funding that's made very clear during the initial funding request right because when people things like the big projects that we're doing in midtown right now those numbers are pretty speculative hopefully they're high right because we don't we tell the you know everyone else do this sharpened pencil right and that way we we a budget and b we ensure that a project is well designed well done well put together in the front end which is seems to be the way to get stuff done the engineers overlook something it's not our fault right my comment comes from you know they're going to come back and ask for that 50 000. so much work right now so but i i guess we could be great and julie every month you know it's still covered by this one thing but got it all right anything else if not all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed motion passed is unanimous now uh the next thing is the fiscal year 2027 preliminary budget but as i understand it jill um who ensures that we have absolutely spotless audits year after year after year and therefore gets what she wants most of the time uh has asked to do the uh community investment program piece first uh yes so uh so that's what we're gonna do because that's what we're gonna do because that's what we're going to do once is that right yes please i think the the community investment program is part of the budget process it feeds the budget in a way and i've thought the order uh would be better if we did it this way so kicking off the community investment program uh we see these projects every year and um i thought it'd be appropriate to do just a little bit of background a little bit of review for everybody we have new board members that i know are very knowledgeable about these programs but also in fairly new staff too so just as a background you know in montana these are referred to as community investment programs or also known as capital improvement programs and they allow municipalities to set aside certain funding for um replacement acquisition or replacement of property plant or equipment costing more than five five thousand dollars and lasting uh with a life expectancy of more than five years um this is of course coming from google this is the definition that pops up because i wanted something succinct these are major improvements and as a as opposed to routine maintenance or equipment replacement um in missoula this comes from missoula's webpage the community investment program is a five-year planning document it guides our decisions on large-scale infrastructure projects and expenditures such as roads parks and utility systems and it identifies our long-range needs um such as do we need new parkland or do we need new park headquarters do we need um what are we going to do with our water headquarters that building has a life expense expectancy that's very short right now but those buildings are expensive as a couple examples uh those requests requests are ranked by the departments based on priorities that they have and then they are reviewed by administration and updated annually and i'm gonna ask mike to help me here at this point mike if you wouldn't mind to um review for us the council's role in the capital improvement projects or the community investment program just to kind of take it from there and then we'll we'll get started i was like which mike are we going to be here the other one's going to panic not panicking a little bit too um uh staff of the various departments have criteria that's been approved by council over the years creating a uh hierarchy of projects and then they put those into the budget public workers at that council yesterday kind of presenting on the um the projects that are in the council's uh decision making uh uh planning or or what would be proposed by staff for council to be the priorities in the next budget year um i'm not 100 sure but i think jill may be having me do this because we had that meeting last year in the council chambers that got way off track on how uh how projects are actually picked so council does have to say yes to a project um even though generally rely on staff quite a bit for planning and kind of coordinating between departments and if we're replacing water mains whatever is true at the same time and things like that um but council can kind of work some projects in and we have seen them change their making over time um joe i can go into more detail i guess if you want but that's kind of no that's perfect that's perfect i just wanted i wanted everybody to know that you know there's that other level that you know city council does see this program and and has input on on pro project you know priorities um this cip presentation is essentially for the board to see what some of these priorities are for mr obviously mra our internal projects but also what other departments are looking at doing and it's like a forecast it's a five-year forecast it's a wish list and obviously it goes through evaluation process at the department level at the administration level and then at the city council level so there's no specific ask for funding today on any of these projects that's consistent with what we heard from the board last year we we want to bring these to you and bring them to you in detail so you have an opportunity to know what they are about and all the nuances of that but we also thought it'd be very helpful like carl was talking about to see these you know now like they're not just going to come in cold you're going to know about these even though they might be something that's on the wish list for five years from now this document that you're looking at in your packets or if people are looking at it online it's like 20 some pages long i think i counted there's 16 projects in here and um i will defer to your preference but i i want to definitely hit the new projects that haven't been in this document before this document is split into four parts mra-led projects those that are new and those that are ongoing that you've seen before and other department-led projects those that are new that have not been in the cip before and then those that are ongoing that you may have seen before from prior year that they're either ongoing like you know they're still they haven't been there they're ongoing in other words they're carry over and they haven't started or they're under construction or they're just carry over they've they've they weren't they didn't rise to the priority that we're going to start them but they're still on the wish list so um i'll get started yep can i just interject one thing just for background for for our new folks i think um again right it was me who asked this question last year or tasha in the direction but um the idea being that if we know at the department level and council level and that there's a rating in projects and we know that if a if a public infrastructure project is an urban renewal district it's at least going to be discussed with staff and there's a good chance that there's going to be asked for some level participation that we should be planning for that and so i think this is trying to accomplish that by saying hey this is what's out there but it won't be in the budget that will actually come to get voted on because of course this board still has to vote to give money to that project even if it's a city-led project i think this tool becomes really critical when you've got situations like urban renewal district 2 that has five years left so you really have to sit down and start prioritizing okay here's what we think we're going to have in the way of revenue over that period of time and here's what we can accomplish and here are the things that won't get done if there's no two funding well let's go through the new ones and then i think the existing ones if anyone has any questions about existing we will get time for people to do that but thanks there isn't a request for money or request for a specific proposal or anything we don't go through on my page by page does that make sense all right perfect so the new ones that's the first group right yep these are hard and in the ones these are mra led projects the first one is california street improvements mra has funded um and ellen will jump please jump in at any moment if any background is needed and any of the staff because this is just a summary document that i prepared but the staff really had a lot of input on the projects obviously this is the um the city's proposed proposal to address california street we need to there's a lot of improvements that are needed down there there's a lot of improvements that need to be connected um along california street that that this board has already approved and we've done those improvements on montana and idaho and todd was down there doing a lot of water infrastructure and sidewalk but then you get to california street and that street is still in its primitive form the proposal has been to split california street into two sections the river of the dakota street to river road going north to river road would be proposed as mra led project and then from dakota south to third street public works mobility has that in their cip you can see the scope uh definition on the slide or in your packet there and the estimated cost at this time obviously this is an in an out year this is for fiscal year 2029 that's how it's listed in the cip document but it's at three million that that's several years away so that could easily change or this project may come in in pieces as redevelopment occurs on the street so there's a couple examples of how that this project might come before you any questions well the pieces that have already come before you as different projects were built in the code we went on different designs we set the curve and better put the code lines so that the improvements we let you know on the outside of the curve would not be torn out just that we we do on california street so likely this will get done in pieces and as we get toward the end of our five years in that district we may just go ahead and finish it out jill if i see these cost estimates for each project are those in today's dollars or are they escalated to the projected fiscal year if ross is still on he could probably answer that but my i believe what they did is you know they're just moving it forward melissa they have a cost estimate in one year and they added like you know a five percent increase or whatever yeah that's correct okay thank you great questions and the next project we also understand that it's super high level super high level it's a water tank as opposed to a real number oh sure johnson street water johnson street water main in urd 3 this says new because it's new to the cip it is not new to the mra board because you've already approved design and engineering earlier this year but it says that's the differentiation on the new it's new because it's never been in the cip but now we need to put it in the cip it's ongoing because you've already made it approved funding for the design and engineering of the the water mains um that's highlighted that are highlighted in yellow on your sheet the total estimated cost is one approximately 1.1 million and this is one of the projects i'll have a question on and when we get to our fy27 budget any other questions on this one okay river road river road again this is new it was not in the cip before the initial funding approved by the mra board for the surveying came in after the cip was presented last year um river road obviously sidewalk network water main network are included in in the board's urd 2 strategic exit plan so um total estimated cost for this one is that approximately 1 million 11 000 another one another one i'll ask you about when we get to the budget i'll have i will like some clarification all right jumping forward to the next section obviously are mra lead projects but those are carry over you've seen those before so i think carl you said you wanted to see if there's any questions on those otherwise we're going to move forward a minute here to thumb through this if anybody has any questions um particularly you knew because uh these are all things that we've talked about and talked about and talked about not that old people can't talk about it but nothing there that anyone has any questions on all right all right then we go to other departments right which as i understand is a thing that other departments will have proposed or are included are they included like these if they're in this document and we're looking at them they have to my knowledge submitted a cip form to the city as part of the process okay and then right as i understand it then these are things that we think if they do move forward with them we're allowed to be asked for some money yes they show up in the respective departments cip with a line item that indicates tip funding as other funding sources but right either all or part to ask for that funding right and they may or may make sense so this is something over which we had zero control until they actually come yeah and say yes right i do have a question because i want i want to look closely vis-a-vis remittances and we'll talk about that next i'm guessing but um like to look holistically about this landscaping costs in cares park when we just helped fund the study for the future of cares park right i'm wondering when does that come back with the price tag of what it's going to cost for whatever improvements that's suggesting um vis-a-vis there have been lots of comments about the landscaping project on the library roof and i i would just like a holistic view as these come up on how many more millions of dollars are we looking at for that cares park area you know to just be able to i this is just like a heads up to staff i would like to see before 55 000 landscaping goes in what's what's the what's the full price tag the next five years considering the riverfront project just finished um and i get that this is probably would this be the parks department doing this landscaping soon so yeah that's that this is the only thing that jumped out at me vis-a-vis the whole picture so it'd be nice to see how things are going to phase out there knowing that um there's a lot of infrastructure needs about to happen with sam and other buildings oh and that's raising her hand is that the project oh you just you just made anette's hope annette tell us all about this well i can speak specifically to the landscaping um and karis park itself i think most of the work down um that is envisioned in karis park is completed for the time being um some of it has been um just sort of opportunistic but um the biggest um improvements that went in were the um art wall around the substation um the canopy over the um pavilion in karis park and repainting and a lot of that was paid for with um fundraising from the downtown foundation i believe um and then the the improvements um access down to the river mra did uh provide i think we provided up to a hundred thousand dollars in a match for the grant so this is this landscape request is for landscaping around the art wall around the substation and one could make the argument that that is northwestern energy's um uh responsibility um they and i think there are conversations with them but it's not guaranteed that they're going to actually put in anything and so um this is a placeholder to um try to button that up and then i don't i'm not aware of any other we did have um i think we came to the board um boy maybe a year ago asking for authorization to proceed with an rfp to examine a an ice ribbon or some sort of skating facility um and then um fortuitously uh the new owners of the holiday inn stepped forward and said that they were really interested in um taking the lead and putting together sort of a public private partnership on that so we've pulled back on the dice ribbon so aside from this landscaping i'm not aware of any other um uh like karis park requests at this time yeah and yeah well heads up if we get one right of course absolutely of course yeah so i think one of the things that's been challenging with charis park is that we have this concept that came out of the downtown master plan it's very very high level we've never taken that and turned it into a real project as a whole holistic as you said and i think there's been i mean there's capacity there are capacity issues there's who's going to do it there all those things but obviously there will be funding requests made of this agency to help with that if not do some of the things in this environment um we as staff have been frustrated because we're we're niggling away at pieces parts of this thing but without knowing comprehensively what needs to happen one prime example is what do we do with rhyman street with the downtown sand project and having an ada accessible into the park when you don't know what you're going to do with the park and you know you've got a grain issue and you've got to come in high and or you go all the way to the river to meet the ada standards um if this board chooses to be the catalyst to get us to that point with the park maybe that's something we want to talk about down the road is to really figure out what these pieces are and how we're going to what are we doing between front street and river in front trail what's going to go on there how does it affect you know the braids how does it affect the plaza how does it affect new restaurant facilities and and start to get some numbers and see how we're going to put this thing together while we still have funding so i think your point's a good one and if the board feels that and if we're going to be asked to fund this little piece that little piece and another little piece do we want to turn a picture really solidified and made real and at least have a grading plan which is what i thought annette would probably jump on because i hear about that a lot these individual requests i mean how do you know where to put it i certainly how do you know what to do yeah extremely it's hard just from being a volunteer here but there are people in our community really concerned about the heat map and then there are people saying why are you using tip funding for landscaping and we're not going to please right we're not going to please everybody but like looking at how do we balance this um given that there is a lot of scrutiny on these projects yep these days thank you please first all right anything else from any of the um either other departments new or other departments carry over questions in terms of where we are at this point or from people where where we might want to go if we get a request if not joe yeah yeah if everybody's going with the other four that are new in the new section of the other department-led projects we can move on to budget if yep i think we can okay unless i don't want to push be good all right so now let's look at another what do we mean action on cip before no it's not on the action island agenda and oh okay so we don't act on it yet right yeah because it's important for the budget the projects are submitted in the report it's a strategic planning document there is you know only funding allocated to those projects when they come before the board for your consideration um moving into the fiscal year 2027 budget uh for this is going to be review for the existing board members that have heard me talk about the budget every year for our new board members uh the memo i tried to outline in the memo how mra creates this budget and this of course is in the very user friendly board named rainbow report format um on the on the back end on the city side very much different very very excel based and not easy to read mra estimates what our cash carryover is going to be in each district in the spring as part of its budget preparation process the staff and i meet and go through all of the projects and try to figure out whether we think that project is going to come in and ask for uh their grant funding and be completed by the end of the fiscal year and therefore that would be paid out or it would be a carryover so that's kind of how we come up with our estimated beginning fund balance at the very top under that left column where it says budget so we're talking about the column that's all in black ink when we because that's that's where you start the other columns are the columns that we use as we go through the year but the budget column is the one we're talking about today and the next section is the revenues there are two components of mra's revenues one is the updated taxable values that all of the municipalities and counties get by the first monday in august we use last year's revenue estimates like what our final revenue is for fy26 that's what i use for fy27 until we get the taxable values city i think does the same mike nugent can correct me if i'm wrong but there's an estimate that's used until those tax about taxable values come in and then we see where those you know whether whether we need to reduce or we have the money mra can make an adjustment that's one component so i can either decrease or increase those based on the taxable values that come in from the state of montana department of revenue the other component of mra's revenue is what the mill levies are and those are set by the taxing jurisdictions the city sets their mill levies county etc the school districts and those we often get in september because those those are submitted to the county the county the county produces a spreadsheet and then the spreadsheet will be shared with mra and that's when i have those final mill levies and can calculate the actual estimated revenue those are brought back to the board in october that's usually when we have the final updated estimated revenues next section in each of the urban renewal districts that are carrying a debt instrument either a tax increment revenue bond or a note of some kind that's that next section those are the updated debt service requirements for each of those debt instruments those are backed out of your cash your beginning fund balance plus your revenue and for example if we want to look at urban renewal district 2 that's a really busy district it's going to be sunsetting soon we're looking at a 10.5 million funds available after debt service the next section down is our administrative expenses administrative expenses for the agency are paid from urban renewal district 3 and all of the other urban renewal districts reimburse urban renewal district 3 at the end of the fiscal year based on staff hours spent on each of their projects in that particular district so that's an exercise that's done at the end of the year those are the the staff activity reports that you see monthly the staff is filling those out and tracking their hours the next section down on urban renewal district 2 we have our private public partnerships those projects are listed there if they're carry over they'll get carried over at the amount that's remaining in that black column um that sometimes changes that amount you know it may i before the budget's adopted by the city i may have an opportunity to change that if if some additional expenses come in in june otherwise that number's locked in and if it changes because it changes after that a bill comes in then i adjust it in the adjusted column so that's how that works so we get the actual carry over amount from um the prior fiscal year you've got the next section down on urd 2 it says public private partnerships these are program projects projects the section above was tiff that's your basic tax increment financing revenue funding stream your curbs your gutters your sidewalks your demolition the the program projects the tiff these are um tax generating but the program projects are going to be our workforce housing or years ago we had a co-compliance program that we used quite often or our commercial rehabilitation loan program or our facade program so that's why there's two different sections because those are kind of two different funding sources particularly on the back end the next section down is the public improvement project section each of the projects that are highlighted in peach those are your community investment program projects as you can see i've listed the broadway building remodel that was the new project that was just presented as led by the public works of mobility they're doing a needs assessment for that building and so there may be a tiff request coming before the board in the future broadway tool california street improvements that's a project that's been in the capital improvement project before you've seen that we talked about that one but that's an estimate and so you can see those numbers as estimates in the name column but they're not carried over to the budget column unless under maple bridge steward sidewalk that those all became before the board and those were locked in amounts and so you see those after the budget process process is approved through the city council you know those those numbers would be be locked in then under that adjusted budget column dropping down you have the next section is your unallocated contingency funds in urban renewal district 2 you can see approximately 5.2 million down in the bottom right hand corner of that particular district's budget report you'll see the adjusted contingency it's it might be a little bit different than the contingency that's listed up above the one that's listed the the the the developer over the 14 year period for any water infrastructure that was part of their project and when the city purchased the water company the city assumed those notes and so that's revenue that will be coming in over a long period of time so we don't use it as as available contingency so that that amount is backed out so that's why you see the adjusted contingency in district 2 and district 3 because those are the districts that have those notes associated the only um so that's essentially the budget how i work in the budget process to prepare these reports i'm happy to go through each district or answer any questions but want to be uh cognizant of your time and carl i'll take your direction if not i i did have a clarifying question for you about the mra lead like water and sidewalk projects whether or not you would like me to include what our estimate is for the total project in that budget column and it won't get approved until it's approved by you each component and then it gets committed you see the green committed column that's the committed that's when you take action that amount gets put in there but otherwise you know then you're going to have a you're going to see a large unallocated contingency even though you might be planning to complete those projects so just wanted to get a clarification for those internal mra department-led projects whether you would like those represented differently on the budget status reports no so last help you remember this last time we went through this we had a little bit of a problem in terms of it's a chicken and egg right the chicken and the egg thing and and i'm sorry uh but making it we didn't want to we we didn't want it in any sort of an approved we didn't want it appear as if it had been approved until we got the specific request for this specific project in other words we were kind of asked to go ahead and just approve up to this amount for this particular project before we'd seen them the hard numbers and we said no to that am i remembering that right but that wasn't directly sidewalk and water meeting projects though right that was important there's other departments would be other assumptions about what tiff funding would be available for their projects right right and those projects had not come to the board i've never seen us not do a todd or jill it's not a lot of projects it's also i mean obviously the cities in the various parts are planning for projects and they're intending to ask for public money right from this board if the board says no obviously the project would either have to be funded by council or pulled back but i think it's kind of transparent to know we know this request is coming so yeah i don't mind so i just acknowledge that it has to be both i don't mind putting our projects in as the estimated or as in the black because it's not committed at that point and it does indicate that and it does reduce the contingency which reduces the op reduces the opportunity for people look at that and say they can afford a huge admit remittance when we've already planned for projects essentially um does that make sense yeah yeah i mean they're placeholders they're placeholders and then let those lock over right but we were asked last time to do more than placeholder we were asked to basically prove up to that amount they they wanted uncertainty in their own budgets right right the other departments wanted us wanted us to say yep you get this you can get this amount of money and you can yeah yeah tasha and i were a general year that's just an advisory advisory opinion without any without any documentation or data right so but you're suggesting that it goes in for like using your the black home that it goes in the black column as shown as something that is budgeted for yeah but not spent that so i'm looking at the the an example in here the river road sidewalk project that listed me estimated of 111 493 the chances what we just approved so it's not in the black home it's listed out to the left but now it should be moved forward to this minute right because we just approved it then it goes in the main column yeah so are you saying that it should go in this column or is it going in the description of projects that could be funded well we didn't approve what made it for we approved 90 thousand for design right the design well design component of it so the design is going to be construction admin quick we move forward but in the million 11 was the total right i mean i understand right yeah right we would put the one point we put the one point hasn't been committed correct right we put the one point whatever it is yeah well we have a firm number for design that goes into committed once the project's bid it comes back to the board for approval and then that amount moves over into committed yeah and it may be what we've got estimated here it may be different obviously it's going to be different and i i just think it creates confusion personally um because i mean we're i think you guys are very confident at tracking those projects to make sure that if something comes up that our our discussion about what contingency funds are actually available takes into consideration those other things that are coming so i think it's fine the way it is personally um and it creates confusion about what we have decided and not decided to mean but that's just my personal preference when you say it's fine the way it is yeah but you're not what i say would it out so so so to your point right so so what we decide today means that 99 000 will go in the black the purple and the green the question is should one million dollars go into the black home even though we have never considered that here we have only we only know it in the vague wish list sense of things and and so yeah i i agree with you i think that sets an expectation yeah kind of seeing it yeah in black ink that that it's more solid than it is i fully trust the staff so that something big comes in to go all right just remember this is floating out there um but i mean it's not i don't it's gonna sound wrong i don't not care about the staff but i don't actually care about the staff for this like this is for the public like the city of missoula intends to request this from the mra so set it aside and then you'll get to vote on it if you say no you say no but i mean just letting the public know like we know this is a request that's coming and we we at least have acknowledged it i mean do you think that's covered though by in the orange description and you know downtown lion's park improvements estimated 140k you know where it's not in the the math like if we're not like i guess what would be the point of having this column it's like if if we only put the 99 000 or whatever in all three columns what's the point of having three well the point of having three columns is when we do approve it and then it goes in it's we we track how we spend it too and what's remaining etc so it does it is helpful there but i i mean it's i'm jack to me it's not broke i think there's valid argument on both sides right a budget can be a complete set of expectations right that is to say move over the downtown lines or keep it in the budget knowing that we the numbers are going to change we're going to approve some numbers are going to change the way we've been practicing it the really solid stuff's in the budget the stuff that hasn't really been vetted through come through isn't but it lives in the contingency and we know the contingency is going to trend across the year because stuff's going to get pulled over i guess that i guess that was what's the i don't know i'm reading between the lines whether what's being said here is that that contingency number is um is um a vulnerability in a way because it's it's bigger than we know it is and therefore potentially right because sometimes these things get rolled into the next year things happen they get supplanted by and by a greater priority when was the last time a city infrastructure project got supplanted by a greater well their own priorities they may put something else before it okay in theory yeah i mean i just i just don't like the idea that that i think we take we take these projects seriously we consider them in detail based on on documentation that is submitted in a transparent way to the public we don't just i know we vote in favor of these things and the appearance may be that we rubber stamp everything but that is not accurate and so i know i'm stating some of the things i said last year but so to to me i don't want to leave the impression that all it takes for us to to put something to plan for a million dollar project is for someone to say here's the projects cost a million dollars um i i don't like i don't like that look i mean i think we already take care of it in the way that it's been handled previously and you should just continue that personally so we we struggle with this at the county and our budget is less and all of our tip districts bringing less increment than the mra north reserve street so it's far simpler for us but we struggle with this too i don't know how do you show proposed projects that haven't been voted on budget um so i don't yeah i mean i don't i don't have a good answer for you but maybe i mean maybe you know nobody didn't hear that they're proposed and they and then nobody that they proposed projects still require a public process and they probably otherwise so isn't that done with like on the like in erd is that done with the s when you look at the road which is in the third block pink is it pink peach i don't i mean isn't that done with the estimated 1.0 1.011 does that show it enough well i think this i would i kind of agree that the header of the section should have proposed in it because if you weren't sitting in this meeting and you look at this you would think that all these projects are public improvement projects that are coming and i guess that's what they are coming but they're proposed you haven't approved it yet the board hasn't approved i like the fact that it looks like it's proposed i think you mumbled into the budgeted column and it presupposes it says boards already made a determination about the project but i think that's probably a little bit to the point that i would want to make from a transparency perspective let's not presuppose that these things have been moved in i understand wanting from a department level and it'd be really good for our planning purposes to know that these projects have the potential to move forward for our budget and our purposes because you have so many different entities that are contributing to the project but you know that's my thought the other thing that builds on that is that we supposedly tell me if i'm wrong but we supposedly have a lot of weight behind when we do approve a project with council that they they feel comfortable that we looked at it carefully and you know the numbers are real and all of that well i guess i have two things on that one i don't understand what you're saying because nothing in here should say propose so are you agreeing that we should put proposed somewhere or like it doesn't actually say today i hope you ask that as i'm just looking at that and make the proposed that the estimates there yeah okay and it's not in the budget because yeah there's a dash in there i think there's a distinction between the projects that we initiate for instance well the first thing we come to the board with is let's get this new design and engineering and figure out what it's going to cost so you've got a real number that you approve for design you implicitly have approved moving forward with the project unless there's something totally out of line in terms of cost so you would show the call you know the implementation of that is still proposed we don't have our number but we have an estimate we know it's around a million dollars or it's around a million five or whatever it is um but once you've taken action to approve going forward with design you've committed to some degree to building that project if we can afford it right yeah my points well taken but subject to change subject us saying oh my goodness uh this thing that just happened over here that no one we didn't know about supersedes that supersedes that goes where i'm listening it's the way it is where we know what the estimate is what's wrong i like this i don't have any problem with this i just think that if it's really proposed why don't we just put proposed in the header too i mean move all the peach to a separate section it's unpropelled or somehow delineate that like the peach means proposed it doesn't mean it well what we've done i understand with the we've blocked all public improvement projects into one category some of those are proposed some of those are real yeah why don't we do them in some ways so we've been why don't you separate but they're also like just i mean just so this board understands i mean the city councils can pass a budget for capital improvement projects that are approved that have an expectation of funding and of course this board can say no but i mean that's where this whole thing it's like if the council passes something and puts it in there and there's an expectation of funding i do think this board should put that in as maybe it's just pending city council requests or pending city requests because that's a legitimate like hey the entity that oh by the way created you is putting these requests in and i do think there's a transparency thing where you know we get a lot of flack from the public and you all know it but we get it on what this board does and what it doesn't do and one of the big things i always say is we support public infrastructure and so i just think that we should make it as clear as possible that of course you know the public is the public infrastructure that the council's asking for the mayor's ask because really it's the mayor's asking for the council's proving it is accounted for but it's only estimated at that point which is why it wasn't something that you propose arrested it's only estimated but there's an exact number that ends up in the cid budget where we approve it i mean so it's only estimated for you all in law specifics but council is given the authority the public works to do the project based on council could also direct to use the remittance to pay for these department requests as well though i used to think council could direct you to do all public infrastructure i mean i'm sorry i'm wearing my council representative here like council is the decision maker above all else on public funds that's right so how do you want to do you want to show them in the block i think that if it's proposed it should be in one of the columns because it's like this is a request that's coming but maybe it's i mean we forget again we're getting lost from the weeds this is two years in a row two years in a row on this but like it's money that that that the city's asking for that the council's approving the budget that the mayor proposed and so yes this board could say no which would be a real interesting conversation because there could be a very valid reason but i mean i think it's just not really transparent to the outlook because if then the person goes and looks at the mra budget and doesn't really understand it and i mean i just think it would be more transparent if projects that we know the city's asking for are listed does it help us under expenses in our budget black column budget to have you know items that we've acted on that will be expenditures in the fiscal year items that are likely to come proposed that we are expecting to come across the transom and list them all and we know that the numbers will change but they're sort of in the zone and to highlight which of those are in the council's budget just as a note to us to the public that's looking at these so those are the three categories we've acted we haven't acted and in the area that we haven't acted in this proposed and it's proposed that council has approved all you're doing is creating subcategories under the public project yeah all you're doing is creating subcategories under the public project yeah it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't but putting putting then i'm putting the number at them are you does that help you yeah i mean i i just you know respectfully city council does its work and and we do ours and we have a job to do and i think we do i think and the staff do a great job and so you know we haven't had the the opportunity to figure out what happens if when and that's because everybody's aligned doing their jobs so i mean i we don't we we are we operate in a um in a supportive capacity but we're not tracking what you guys are doing over there and when you guys vote when you you guys when the city council votes on cip that is a wish list to them too right and you you're literally voting on you can go you can well the budget authority have given years and a wish list and so yeah i feel the commission to do this project within budget and that's where it gets complicated because if part of that is we need real money i mean i think that some of the council just assumes yeah it's got to be perfect well they can assume whatever they want and history would tell them that that assumption is probably a good one but it doesn't change the fact that we haven't considered or acting yet which is why i'm not saying it but i do think it should be in there it is so well it's not in a column it doesn't add up it's we're putting it into descriptions but and it doesn't reflect in the contingency which is i think important yeah because i'll tell you what if city council had and again we we always talk about so we're living in an environment where everybody gets along and all things are good but i mean if if council had approved projects that were going to come and ask for urban renewal money and then something else came in and this board was like nope we're going to spend all that i mean that would be a real interesting time to be a member of both council and this board so it's like i guess i would want to know why we're opposed to putting it into the you know proposed budget is like these are pending requests the i don't know enough about city council about this but you have to spend on these they're all every year no you carry out of all funds yeah okay i mean i should blank say that but pretty much all funds and there's probably one that maybe why is that well i was just i was trying to think about this through i just look at it through my lens of you know who basically if we spend on zero if we don't you basically admit that back to the state and then oh we're going to it's a knuckle back on their active no one would have pat me on back for that but that's what i should see it right but that's essentially what would happen however we have other funds outside of our general fund where we don't have to spend down to zero and i'm looking at this as being one of those funds that you don't have to spend down to zero otherwise let's list every single project we must put it in there in the budget and we'll just continue to carry products as they get approved forward because the budget is just your numbers on paper saying this is what we intend to accomplish that's not an actual here's the final dollar minimum you're going to spend certainly didn't anticipate this bridge needs to be replaced now correct because of the mechanics of statute we have to approve individual projects right so this isn't a budget in my mind this is a planning tool and to ensure what to have an idea of what we're going to be spending money on over the course of the given year and so i i lean towards my i think if it's if we're thinking about doing it should be and we should be planning for it and should be reflected in the numbers i mean well well let me just historically it wasn't on here at all okay for how many years 30 years or more than bleach wait oh no wait a minute this is a kind of a continuation of what we were well we were asked something different last year let's make sure we're clear we were asked to go ahead and approve that myself i know they could spend the money and we said absolutely not and then we got into this thing well how do we show it yeah and that's what got the big hackles yeah my neck they were asked to basically you know we were told look these departments really need to know if they have this money so just when we put it near just consider it approved and we said absolutely not but one of it is to mike's point that at the end of the day city council approves public works and mobility's budget that shows tiff being used for xyz that overrides if they want to do that if they want to play that card that overrides what this board might do when those individual requests come well then why why would it come here at all then what are we doing well i mean if if our vote is on those issues are irrelevant then why are we spending our time i don't think it's irrelevant at all but i do think that at the end of the day the city council has the authority to make these decisions as a woman we have their pleasure well but let's be clear here we still look at those numbers yes we still we have we've had questions about those numbers i can recall an instance or two where we said come back next month because you can't answer these questions we don't have the right information and theoretically it is it hasn't happened council could approve something that we can't approve and so we're the check on that john absolutely so uh but practically speaking when council says would you guys do this or you guys council says will you guys do this we look at it very carefully we take the fact that councils asked you to do it very very very seriously and we never said no and to be honest like we talk about historically but there's i would say there's three the last six years and then the last six years because urban renewal under attack at the state legislature constantly comes up in all of our campaigns and it's a thing that we get criticized about i mean it is there and so i just lean more towards like the transparentness of yeah these are requests they're they're coming they're there we should just write them down and have them and that's all i'm going on but i would say i think this board exists to make sure that money is spent legally and above board but if it got to a point where council had approved a project for a legal expense of a legal use of these funds and urban renewal district said no to the elect the state legislature would rightfully freak out i think because like that's the bigger criticism of if is that it's public money being controlled by bodies that aren't elected for the crime and i mean we all know it's a public meeting and obviously you're all here what about you you two are here um because it changed the rules last night so i just that that's where i'm coming from is i just lean a lot more towards we should be transparent we should be showing as much as we can that this exists as a great tool to support that but again we did this last year doing this year i've already talked about this more than i actually care about it so i've stated my well what's wrong with putting it in another home i mean no i mean not another problem another that's that doesn't that's all to me to me it's also yeah that's fine load the budget to me load the budget run up with things that we we know we are spending we have acted on whether it's debt service or a project we have to create a category or propose source and highlight two types of proposals one that does not counsel likely proposals even we don't even know right like potential potential what aren't kids and flag clearly that word is not assessed or acted on those right but also highlight those that council has included in this budget because that's that's important information for us to be reflected on as well and we may have a you know more difficult conversation as some of the theoretical conflicts that we play around well but then but yeah but doesn't that also inform us if we are going to have a real conflict yeah no i think you sell full information right so so so so the the bob's pretty good whatever bridge company comes in with a brand new idea that is fantastic and we said boy if we do this we're going to have to sell the council we can't do california street but that's right but mine i guess if it's laid out the way it is that would make it very clear that when this board's making a decision that's a that's about they're making but because it's also probably noticed i mean that i feel like at that point the mayor at least would have been able to weigh in the staff and say yeah we're good with that move it right so i mean part of what we need to do is look at the comprehensive development plans for these districts and see how these fit i mean we're like that's part of our responsibility and see how these things balance like i i just it feels weird that like you know i'm looking at this column here in the district two where the number of the subtotal isn't there's another like almost two million dollars potentially on there of costs that are listed in the budget right now and so how do we prioritize money going forward if on that you know if we're not including it in the planned budget well so what's i think we're all on the same page we're going to do some subcategories under public there's a there's a status bar on the right hand side change pending to proposed and then describe in the memo what proposed means for everybody or for those well we know what orders are and what about we're not putting and and then you're going to do them for the other departments that have been approved by uh council well it looks like the the status bar is mainly it's for all but it's really filled out for the public improvements projects so help me out with a historic view here of all the ones that are in the cip that make it as a projected one for the following the coming fiscal year is it most common that they all do happen or do things drop off all the time because i think about it on yeah but the state side is where i where i sit and you know we have funds for specific projects legislatively appropriated and there's a whole lot of swing between sort of our one-pager descriptions from the university and what actually gets built so that does it i i don't know if it changes my thought on sort of that balance where it's well it's appropriated but i guess who doesn't kind of places this kind of project or this which is just long list but then by the time it's actually getting into the budget for budget authority most of those go forward because we're i mean we're we will be in the fiscal year of budget before we approve it so it's like that's actually not that long okay so you're not including the wishes no well that's for you yeah and things are not i mean the wish list would be a hundred more pages but it is just the ones for fy 27 that's right project yes in your experience if it's at this time it's saying yep we're doing this in a nice fiscal year typically they happen or is it a real toss-up does it get close to the next year typically they happen or it starts in one year or gets carried over unless something come unless something appears that you know emerges that just knocks it out i mean we suddenly have a major expenditure that is an urban renewal district that the city has to take on and they're going to come to us and say we're not going to build california street this year but we're going to go and fix something if it's stuff that starts in the first half of the fiscal year absolutely listen on that's we're going to bid it in the winter in hopes of starting that spring is a little bit more flu because sometimes that's that's why 20 sometimes it comes into my or things like that but i think that when you talk about statements public agreements project almost just have heading lower down that's just like proposed okay let's do it that way yeah yeah it would be and list the ones that are approved i can't that work okay that's what we're doing what's short meeting that's what i said that's what i said it would be a short meeting second idea it had a question mark at the end i can sense it right what don't don't you do we're going to ask um i'm excited to have the taxing disc uh jurisdictions at the table on this remittance item first of all the fact that it's on here before remittance engine asked does that mean that we have indeed been uh alerted that there will be something or is that lying mean will we go a year without a remittance they have been advised that there will be a members okay council hasn't been advised of that but the mayor knows she's going to tell me and i will once again remind everyone that that was supposed to be like a one-time tool that is now becoming a part of the annual city budgeting process which is what it is but are we getting a hint i mean when will it be august after the city does its budgeting that we go back and change all of this to reflect what is being remitted well i mean if there's a remittance that would be shown as part of the city budget that is provided to the council and we will need to adjust our budget support it they said we understand that that's on the table and as we look at projects as we look at revenues and expenditures in the various districts we're already thinking about how we're going to come we don't know the number yet we have maybe order magnitude but it's still being working on across the street but there will be remittance and this is one of the instances where no matter what we do in this room that we have zero control over yes we have zero control right just to say that so i would love though to hear from the city why this is an ongoing thing since this you know there's only been one year in the last what seven i would tell you it's the goal of these administration find a way to eliminate the message thus far we have not been said that is clear and i think missoula is in a weekly beneficial situation that we have been able to make those events that is out of the urban real district out and personally impacting those we haven't given up we haven't given up a significant project yet in the past have the curiosity of the remittances like have the very big contest for no no so they don't okay can we have to vote on them well no the um well the council has the council has exclusive authority to require the revenge yeah and then what sums to the and then what the council has done i and we i wrote we i greatly appreciate this is they said you guys tell us how you're going to accomplish this in terms of what districts they're coming from so there's at least a notification and engagement there well except for one year there was no notification but we want we don't need to go i don't like to show that i'm not the city i'm the city council say francis of government that trolls yeah but uh yeah no that's the way it works and again there's always a notification surprise but most of the time we're told in advance this is the order of this is what we're looking at in terms of our event said that but then it had the um but the statute is 100 clear that it's the city that decides if there's a remains or not we don't the elected body we don't we don't we have no control over it once it's done it's done and so uh the real question becomes whether it's melissa who replaced ruth who always voted against the uh the man about which that's her goal or if you've now taken it over i voted no i was in the city one year and soothed in the vote no no i would love and this is where i have another request of staff i would love to hear directly from um mr bickle or the mayor how this is going to evolve um because in recent years we are now paying a percentage to the city staff for managing projects we are now picking up more cip projects like it has changed considerably in the last 11 years that i've been here on how much urban rural district urban rural districts are funding in city um in the city lane we're saving money in urban rural districts having public works manage sidebar projects aren't we compared to that wasn't that part of the conversation and then that is it yeah as opposed to having no i don't think what the consultants are doing has not been changed right so it's that it's it's the shift of our staff staff spending more time or less time in field with these projects and that's i mean that's what public works does that's why it exists it makes absolute sense to create this relationship we've done the same thing with parks with respect to street trees we're out there putting street but i think we're saving money we're saving we're saving staff time and using it for other programs we're not spending money money to do it that way right we're more efficient to deliver that well why don't we um we need to approve the preliminary budget with the new category well i want to say one thing about the remittances before we do this okay the city the administration the city administration does not take remittances lightly i mean it's not just oh let's just go to the mra against money um it it's a it's a serious thing with that and i think that you know until the tax system the state of montana gets pitched which is broken there's many local governments are doing you know um we had a very true law once again how fortified is missoula to at least have this two years and not have to send firefighters and police officers home because that's the bulk of the general fund budget the projects that sets us here we we need to move on we need to approve the preliminary budget understanding it's preliminary and understanding that based upon the discussion here today it will include under the public projects another category uh with numbers choices well proposed so if someone wants to make that motion okay that motion's been made i'll second second i think i hate to say this question but any further discussion uh public comment we've lost everybody we're not all in favor say aye any opposed motion passes uh last couple of things uh didn't know ellen was um the director's report is ellen have a good time to tell you about that that's the director and uh reverend when we did what we approved the uh rivera project it was uh the project was big and complicated and so and we had a big contingency in it until we asked uh and we haven't asked since for any other big project that we get a monthly report on how the contingency was going so annie um the project continues to be on schedule within budget um just an update so the uh the public infrastructure um the public infrastructure um to support the first phase of community land trust homes is in um i've seen kids riding bikes roller skating all kinds of things in the wider pathways along scott street um the cip the informational item that was before you includes the remaining infrastructure that um is the remaining sidewalks and boulevard street trees that will not go in until the market break development till those that building is constructed until the next and also till the next phase of community land trust homes is constructed so that any sidewalks are not you know impacted by construction um but i would say in terms of an update on the overall project we learned this week that um 12 of the condominium units um are under contract for that first condo building and um we expect or we've heard that closings on those could occur as early as this month so that's a good update are these the um the land trust homes the land like are these market rate or both so in that first condominium building which is the green and the gray building behind you know uh uh closer interior to the site you know not the yellow which is the townhome building um those are a mix of market rate and income qualified condos yes and i believe they're one in studios ones and two bedrooms so they've been doing the lottery the the land trust has been okay yes great but the first part unit that went on under contract was a market rate studio from what i understand okay anything else on that okay and then last but not least the the we've looked at the proposed budget rainbow reports the actual budget rainbow reports uh any uh questions on those or anything jill that we need to any highlights um just to highlight the we talked we kind of we're tracking that revenue and we are catching up on the reports from the county and so just um we usually will get they've just been behind with the implementation of their new software so you're you'll see over on the right hand side as far as the status you know what we're looking at is our increment and um yeah but they're they're coming in they're just have been delayed a little bit doggone county yeah these deals with the same question all right anything else just uh quick and not being facetious about the directory of course our big projects are moving forward it's pretty exciting we've sold the land uh triangle if you're aware we have purchased the tollison property and then sold it to miramonte who sold yeah we're closing those deals as we speak and the um uh project franklin crossing at johnson and north is moving forward really really well out of the what was 12 funding sources for the 17 17 how many are uh i don't know okay i mean you know that they got the state grant right they got big which means they're probably going to get the tax credits um because food armory's going to create i don't know what i think it's going to chip away that but i think it was all right all right anything else or anyone or jerry carl carl we had a hand raised a hand raised from an unknown user yes sir ma'am real quick please yes hi this is carrie shriver thanks for taking my call in um talking about numbers um i don't think there was a chance to make public comment on the minutes from may 8 so just wanted to draw a little bit of attention there but was there a chance to do public comment on the main minutes yes yeah uh oh i'm sorry i missed that moment um sorry juggling work and tuning in here um i'm quoted as saying it's eight eight hundred feet of riparian waterway that'll be destroyed by cold 30 that's 1800 feet um touches my yard goes through my neighbor yards and it's affecting more trees than what's just on this property for sure and also that one to 16 ratio was amended by the time it went to vote to reflect um not that possible five million that will come back through future tax credits and i believe that brought it down to like a one to eight or one to nine but the idea was that this was an important enough project to go uh larger than that one to ten typical ratio so i noticed that was in the minutes too um i also don't know if this group realizes that the ditch board had not even been consulted about rerouting the waterway until the day before the committee meeting so when you all were presented this information it had not been approved by the ditch board at that point in fact the year when um parks mra met with the ditch board they were told that the proposal a or b would be appropriate but not to do a radical reroute like this and i still don't think we're understanding how much liability and obligation that the public is taking on by this thank you for hearing me and um appreciate learning more about your budgeting uh with people's consent can we change the 800 to 18 after since she thought that was a mistake all right we'll just take your consent on that thank you and uh we're adjourned thanks all thanks everybody

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And this work is important because heat was identified as a top five extreme weather hazard in Missoula County in our pre-disaster mitigation plan. It is the number one weather-related killer across the nation, but those deaths are preventable with proper planning and action. Heat is also on the rise. We experience more extreme heat days and events annually. The year that we created this plan, 2023-2024, there were upwards of 50 days above 90 degrees. Typically, it's at least 33 in the last couple of years. Extreme heat is also a threat to all, but those impacts are unevenly distributed and often underestimated. And when it comes to heat, we know that location matters. So, neighborhoods with limited green space, fewer resources , and higher rates of health vulnerability face greater risk, while critical infrastructure systems, such as energy and transportation, strain under high temperatures. So, understanding where and when heat concentrates in our communities is essential for protecting public health, guiding interventions, and building resilience. So, I'll get a little bit into our results now. There's a little bit of a lag, but it should show up any moment. We conducted this data collection on August 12, 2025. We had 33 citizen scientists drive 12 routes three times a day covering 92.8 square miles of Missoula County land. They collected nearly 76,000 measurements. And on that day, the maximum recorded temperature was 95.7 degrees, about five degrees higher than what was captured at the Missoula airport. And our maximum difference in temperature during any one of those time periods was 18.5 degrees, which was quite significant. Sorry, my page isn't loading on the screen up here. Did I stop sharing and reshare or... Okay. Apologies for the technical difficulties. It's showing for me that it's sharing. It doesn't look like you're in the meeting anymore. I'm not. I don't know what I'm doing. But I can hear. I'll leave and rejoin. Sorry, everyone. Yeah, I think having some technical difficulties. Oh, I believe I lost internet. Oh, how would... There you go. An engaging presentation. Totally fine. Okay. Okay. Okay. Do you need the Wi-Fi? That would be useful. I'm connecting to a city guest and it 's... Okay. That's what kicked me off. Okay. Weird. Okay. If you've got one that's password protected and you want to come type it in. That'd be good. I could also just talk about it. The slides are helpful. The visuals are lovely. I don't know if I have the password. Leaving you in suspense. Yeah. Let's see. I got that somewhere. Yeah. Okay. I'm back on the internet. Great. Okay. Great. That's okay. This is a great slide to start at. Okay. So, thank you so much for that. I really appreciate it. So, we sent our data back to our technical advisors who were Kappa Strategies. They used the data that was collected along the driving routes called Traverse Point Data to create area-wide models that you can see here that enable us to see how heat is interacting with the different landscapes, green space, water, built environment, different elevations , etc. I have limited time now, and that's pretty highly technical , but that process is detailed in the report. Feel free to reach out if you have questions on that. And so, we received a different area-wide model for each of the time periods. Note here that each model has its own temperature scale. So, the same colors are representing different temperatures on each of those. So, try not to look at them visually in this way and compare. We'll go into each one individually. So, like I said, we have a morning model and Traverse Point data from 6 to 7 a.m., then afternoon data from 3 to 4 p.m., that really high heat part of the day, and then the evening from 7 to 8 p.m. Next slide. So, the morning is when we saw the greatest temperature differential, with some areas appearing 18.5 degrees warmer than others. Not necessarily a dangerous heat. You can see here the high is around 66 degrees. Though that is important for us to know. There are many communities throughout the country and the world who experience extreme heat events where nighttime temperatures don't allow our bodies to cool down naturally, and that is quite dangerous. Some examples here. Sealy Lake and Everoe. These are areas where that really dense tree canopy is tra pping heat from the day before, from getting out overnight. And so, that's where you see some anomalies of hot spots in the morning. Similar temperatures to our most urban and built-up areas, like downtown and different commercial areas there, where we see those urban areas emitting heat that's been retained from the prior day. And also some cool air pooling in lower elevations. Next slide, please. So, in the afternoon, some places were 8.5 degrees hotter than others. So, we're seeing essentially everywhere is pretty hot, though some more so than others. Particularly those in highly trafficked, driven, and paved areas, such as downtown Missoula. Although, like I said, essentially everywhere is hot. We're seeing those warm urban areas pushing cooler air to higher elevations. And then, one surprising takeaway is that there are a lot of dry brown lands heating up and warming surrounding areas. So, undeveloped but also unmanaged. Other hot spots during this time, as you can see on the map here, are commercial and industrial areas, who are also emitting heat to the surrounding neighborhoods , especially the west side, north side, low low, and Bonnar West Riverside. And then, an example of those dry brown open spaces, where there is not a lot of development and not a lot of land management, few or little trees. There are a lot of neighborhoods experiencing this. Namely, the Y, Captain John Mullen, River Road, Orchard H omes, Bonnar West Riverside, and Milltown. Next slide, please. Okay, so in the evening, things have cooled off a bit, but we see that some areas are 15 degrees cooler than others, demonstrating how those areas have cooled off more quickly. Notably, the more forested areas. So, cooler areas include Sealy Lake, Everoe, the University District, and the Rattlesnake. Next slide. So, what is our plan now with this data? We are interested in comparing these results with other sociodemographic and environmental data, like census data, land cover, tree canopy, different health incidents, building on a 911 call study that was conducted here just a few years ago. We see this serving as a community engagement tool, something we can take to community members and help educate them. You know, ask them, do you live in a hotspot? It's very fun. We have an interactive map. You can type your address in and see your house or your place of business or places you like to recreate and figure out, are you in a hotspot? And how can you both protect your health and be part of the solution? Broadly, we are using this data to identify heat islands, both urban and rural. I think when we talk about heat islands, most people think of the urban heat island effect, but we have many rural areas where our populations are pretty susceptible to high heat. And then we plan to use this data to inform plans and policies to further research, apply for funding, target outreach resources, and neighborhood level interventions to help reduce that heat island effect and help community members and our ecosystems deal with extreme heat. Next slide, please. So the first people we presented this data to were our volunteers. We really wanted to ground truth those findings and they are community members. So we wanted to hear from them. How would they like to see us use this data? And they told us a number of things. They'd love to see pocket parks and cooling center placements, more community awareness, especially for future development. We see this being used potentially as an advocacy tool for development, setting up codes that require green space and trees, balancing that need for affordable housing and healthy and resilient community. And then more broadly, reducing the temperature where people spend time or walk frequently. Next slide, please. So next we presented this to our partners in Stay Cool. These are institutional level stakeholders who were part of creating that plan, developing strategies, and are named in implementing those strategies. So we took these results to them next. They also helped us develop points of interest where we could create the driving routes. So areas where they would really like to see us collect data. And they're excited and they're interested in using this data in a number of different ways. One, identifying populations who are at higher risk and helping to influence future programs and projects. Identifying hot spots, especially those dry brown unmanaged lands that would benefit from revegetation and native species. Overlay with some other data sets. Look at different spatial correlations with heat and social vulnerability. And to use in advocacy for support and policy change. Next slide, please. Okay. So wrapping things up here. We are doing a number of community presentations. We've done this with our city and county electeds. We're here tonight. We'll be at City Chats in the Park on July 7th. I believe that's at the fairgrounds. Nope. Sorry. July 7th. Thanks. We will also be at the fairgrounds about a month after during the county fair and hoping that our partners can help us share this information far and wide. It's at Fort Missoula. Fort Missoula. Thank you. July 7th, Fort Missoula. We will be collaborating with our Stay Cool partners, like I said, to help us share this information. We've provided them with blurbs and quotes and graphics that they can use. We will continue to work with our technical advisors and GIS staff locally to help analyze the data, create new visual comparison tools with other data sets and help us apply it to our different programs. We have used this to apply for a research grant to learn more about heat and health equity. And as a result of participating in this heat mapping cohort across the nation, we've been approached by the National Integrated Heat Health Institute to plan a heat and smoke tabletop exercise, which we are currently planning for some time in September. More information to come on that. Next slide, please. Final slide. Okay. So this is our contact information. If you want to talk to any one of us about this, we're happy to talk anytime. To view the maps, reports, and data downloads, you can go to climateredymissoula.org slash stay cool. We have an interactive map. We have an analysis and report. And the data is also free and accessible to download and use however you see fit. And thank you so much for your time. Please don't hesitate to reach out. I also have a few resources that we've created about heat and health and a lot of different intersections that you can bring back to your councils and share with your communities. Thank you. Awesome. Thanks. Is there any questions? No? Well, thank you so much, Allie. Thanks. All right. Oh, we do have a question, actually. Clint? Oh, I had a really quick one. You said your data is available. Do you have, like, shape files or geodatabases that are available for folks to download? Yep. They are shape files. You can access those at climateready.org slash stay cool. Cool. Thank you. And then it looks like Carrie has a question. Yes, thank you. Carrie Schreiber. Oh, it says I'm unmuted. Awesome. Allie, I'm in the Southgate Mall area and it looks from your maps that that is a very hot part of town. Hot spot. And you may have heard others from my group asking about what you think from what you've seen in your studies. The impact will be of removing all of our mature tree canopy and riparian area. I'm personally concerned that, like, the heat island of the mall is going to then expand all the way across Brook Street and just become this real big issue. We're getting rid of about 1,800 feet of riparian waterway area through here and a couple of hundred mature trees in the current development plan. Thank you. Thank you. I am not super well informed on that project. I understand there are some nuances when we're looking at development and that our urban forest managers are really careful about what they're changing, when and why. And so I don't feel comfortable speaking to that without understanding the project and the nuances there. But I will say that I'm hopeful that this resource can be used to help inform development. And so as you're moving forward, if trees have to come down because they've become a hazard or if waterways are changing, that you can use this to advocate for ensuring that green space gets put back in and that it's managed and can help mitigate extreme heat in an area that is already under threat from heat. Thank you. Yeah. Any other questions? All right. Thanks again. Thanks. All right. Thanks, everyone. We don't have any items to be voted on today, so we'll move on to reports. Starting with staff reports, I don't have too much to report. We will not be having a community forum meeting in July. We know that the summer gets quite busy for folks. One thing I did want to mention, we have been struggling to get quorum for the community forum for quite some time, and our office has been trying to understand ways that we can maybe reorganize this a little bit to not, you know, have just a meeting every month just to have it, but make sure that it's, we're being more intentional with these meetings. And so, you know, this is something that we obviously want to keep moving forward. It's in our neighborhood city charter. However, when, you know, we only have six folks here today, it's a little bit difficult when we're not getting the alternates from neighborhoods, and it's just, you know, want to be mindful of everyone's time. So we have been brainstorming, changing our meeting cadence for the community forum to possibly every other month. I think since we're getting towards the end of the year, we will most likely continue it monthly until the end of the year, but I wanted to make you all aware of that, and if there's any large concerns, please reach out to Melissa and I. I think the biggest thing from our end is this is a space for you all to meet and for you to share information and to hear information of plans, processes, projects happening at the city and in our community. And if this is not something that is being utilized or we need to shift it, we are always looking at ways that we can improve this and, yeah, just want to kind of let that be known that we want to make sure that this, we're being intentional about using this time. So, any comments or questions about that? All right. That, oh, yes, Carrie? Hi, thank you. I know for me, keeping the meetings more consistent might help with regularity. Last month, it was the fourth week instead of the third week and I know one of the other neighborhood leaders just thought there wasn't a meeting that month but we didn't see it on the calendar and there's been some other variances through the year. So, I don't know. I would almost say if we could have more consistency and then just if it's really clear which month we're not meeting, that's great but we, you know, we kind of split the difference in the holiday months and, yeah, I don't know. I missed last month because I didn't understand it was going to be the fourth week instead of the third. Yeah. Yeah, I agree that I don't want time to, I do want the time to be respected and I would love to see this forum used more robustly to borrow one of the city's words that I think it has great potential and I do love it when we have a full house and people are sharing their ideas and what they're doing. It's a very stimulating thing. So, I mean, I could see going every other month too but if we could know the whole schedule, like a year ahead it's, it's, that would be helpful I think for getting it on people's calendar and making that commitment. Yeah, thanks Carrie. Yeah, we did, last month, we did have it on the fourth Thursday and that is always when we have the community forum, it's always on the fourth Thursday. May, May, May, May, May, May, I think was kind of funky because it was, I think a lot of times it's right before Memorial Day weekend but since Memorial Day was early this year, I think folks might have gotten that confused but it was still on the fourth Thursday and the only other time that we have not had a meeting this year is February because it went, it clashed with the local government academy and we had made sure to make that known and then we don't, for the last few years we don't meet in July because we get pretty, before we stopped meeting in July we would barely get folks into the meeting and then we, the fourth Thursday lands on both Thanksgiving and the Christmas week of November and December so we've been doing a, in the middle meeting in early December usually so it is usually pretty laid out and we have been putting the community forum dates for the next one on all of the neighborhood agenda agendas that we post so I totally agree and I would love to utilize this time and do it every month but I just want to be sure that I'm, you know, making use of this time and if this isn't what everyone wants then I want to listen to you so I will, like I said, we'll continue meeting monthly until the end of the year and I'd love to chat with folks more about what we can do to make this a little bit more of an engaging space and something that is useful for leadership teams but we also do have to be aware of, you know, Melissa and I's capacity too and we have a lot of evening meetings and so if this isn't kind of the space that it can be fully utilized for we want to find a way that we can but I really, really do appreciate your comments, Carrie. Thanks. Can I just add something? Yeah. Can you hear me? Well, it doesn't matter, it's so few. To you, it sounds obvious but right now you're speaking to the converted already. Is there some way you can put out something for every neighborhood council because obviously all of these people are not here so we are not getting their opinion some way just to contact and say, you know, exactly what you've just said but for everybody at each neighborhood council to hear that. I think that would, that could help. Yeah, absolutely. I'm happy to send out an email to all the leadership teams. I know we've done that in the past and so I'm happy to do one and maybe it's more of a check-in for folks because that is one of these responsibilities that if someone's not able to attend then you find an alternate to be able to attend in your place and so totally understand things happen, things pop up, personal lives will take priority but want to make sure that, you know, if you're not able to make it to these meetings then we can know ahead of time especially like last month where we needed to vote on a budget expenditure and we did not have quorum so we couldn't vote on that. So those are kind of bigger deals that we need to try to figure out a solution for. So yeah, I'm happy to send that out. I think that's a great idea. Thank you. Thank you. Any other thoughts, questions? Okay. Well, if anyone has other thoughts, like I said, feel free to reach out to one of us but I think that's a great suggestion, Judy. I'll let folks know that this is a possible change in the future and if that's not something that the neighborhood teams want, then we just need to have a little bit better attendance at these meetings. So, great. Fair. Oh, yes? Carrie? Oh, I said that's fair. Oh, yeah. People want to have the meetings they've got to start showing up. That's fair. Yeah, and you're preaching to the choir with the people that are here tonight. I know, I know and that's the hard part here too. I thank every one of you. So thank you so much for coming. And it's also, I totally understand summers are hard. People go on vacations and so just wanted to check in about that. So thank you all for listening to me. All right, we will go through our neighborhood council reports and we'll start with Franklin to the fort. Yeah, so Franklin to the fort, we had our first ice cream social of our summer season on Tuesday. be paired with city chats in the park and we had it in MRL park and we had so much ice cream. And an area that I guess we do struggle with is neighborhood outreach still because we sending out postcards, you know, we can't do that for every single event. So we're trying to build a base to get more engagement in the neighborhood. We had a little, a couple folks show up on Tuesday, but hopefully we get more and more in the future as we try to build something bigger in Franklin to the fort. But our next ice cream social is going to be in August and we're pairing with a Front Step community land trust movie night. And that is August 14th at Franklin Elementary School. We'll be there again with lots of ice cream and different types of treats for people. And yeah, so that's basically what we're working on. We're not meeting in the month of July as a neighborhood leadership team, but we will be in August and then resuming after that. Great. Thanks so much, Clint. Grant Creek. I've been out of town quite a bit this month, so I have nothing. Easy. Thanks, Greg. Lewis and Clark. Clark. Clark. Oh, you're muted, Colleen. Colleen, you're muted. You're muted, yeah. There we go. Perfect. We met last in May and started planning our meeting in October. We've changed from summer to October again. And so we're in the process of getting our meeting, general meeting ready. We have a meeting in August, and we never meet in July because it always conflicts with the 4th of July holiday, and we'll be having better reports then. Thanks. Great. Thanks, Colleen. Miller Creek. Sorry, I have nothing. That's okay. Thanks, Medora. Southgate Triangle. Hello. We are planning an ice cream social August 12th, and usually we use so much of our budget just to buy trees. I'm excited that we're doing a community outreach like this. That'll be at Boyd Park at 7 p.m. and still figuring out who we're inviting for presentations. If anybody has had presentations that went over well with your neighbors recently, I'd love to hear those suggestions. Clint, I'm curious what movie you guys are watching on August 14th. That's a good question. That's all I guess. We are watching, oh, I just had it. I think it's a spirit, that spirit horse movie. I might have to come to what time is that at. And that is if I, it's okay to take a second of time. That's kind of perfect during the Chinese year of the horse. Oh. Oh, I'm missing it. But I do know that the movie will start at dusk. So August 14th, it'll be right about when the sun sets is when they'll start playing it. And then we'll probably at least be there by like seven for that. Okay, cool. All right. You guys do such interesting gatherings. It's really fun. Awesome. Thanks, Carrie. An upper rattlesnake. Oh, I don't think you're is that on? Yeah, now it is. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So the fourth ice cream social ours is on the 19th time to be right before school starts. We have the last I don't know how many years I've only been involved with this for a couple of years, but the ice cream socials happen at Pineview Park. And when we ask neighbors what they want to talk about, it's bears, bear or deer, or both. So one of our speakers is Jamie Jonkel, who we have had several times before, who is very entertaining and extremely knowledgeable. That's been his life, I guess, and that's one of them. We also are getting some of the Office of Emergency Management. Nick Holloway is the chief, and possibly Karen Hughes, who was here last month, right? If we can get both of them together to talk about that, that is always something that people in the Rattlesnake want to talk about, emergency preparedness. So those are the main things that will be addressed, and that's our next event. Great. Thanks, Judy. Sure. Great. I think I'm going to go. Thank you all so much for those report outs. We will move to our city council liaison report. Great. Thank you. If you've been following along, things at council have been pretty busy lately, but I thought I'd just touch on some recent items of business that I thought would be of interest. So I guess I'll just open with this past Monday's meeting since that was a pretty robust one. As you may have heard, council on Monday heard a referral from the Parks and Rec Department to upgrade the security cameras at four different city parks. That would be Mobash, Splash, Montana, Currents Aquatic Center, and the Fort Missoula Park. There was a large amount of public comment that's both, you know, in writing, leading up to the meeting, as well as in person and virtual. So just a shout out to those folks for taking the time to share the feedback and perspective. It was a really great sort of outpouring of perspective and feedbacks and opinions as well. Long story short, during Monday's meeting, there was an approved motion to send that back to committee so we can gather some additional information and kind of continue the deliberation process. Two items that were approved, first I'll mention, is the acquisition of a 28-acre parcel. It's currently owned by the Missoula County Airport and is going to be this sort of very, pretty narrow, but pretty long corridor that's just north of the Ranch Club and sort of grassland neighborhoods out there on West Mullen. The plan is for that 28-acre parcel to be part of the Milwaukee Trail Corridor. There's a lot of details to be worked out in the form of planning and design process, but overall I think this is a really great acquisition and a great opportunity for the city and I think personally I also think it comes at a really good value when you talk about 28 acres being acquired for a total cost to the city of about $130,000. So I'm really excited about that project. That'll take quite a bit of time in the development phase, but I think that that's a really nice acquisition. second thing that was approved was a resolution of intent to initiate a land use plan amendment. So this covers, if you want to think about kind of the rectangular area in the North Reserve Scott Street area, so that's Reserve Street and Scott Street that run north to south, and then the I-90 and sort of rail corridor there that runs parallel to Broadway running east and west. So this is a very big geography and it's a very diverse geography in terms of proposals. So if this is something you're interested in following or, you know, contributing your opinions and feedback to, I definitely recommend checking out the Engage Missoula site to provide inputs and receive updates. There's actually a second survey I think is currently still open and closes tomorrow. So if this is an area you're interested in and want to provide some feedback, definitely check out that Engage Missoula site page dedicated to this. Then just one last note here. Last time we were here, I kind of gave a little bit of a high-level overview of the kind of budget process, and timeline. So since that time we've had two budget and finance committee meetings that have been pretty much dedicated to just hearing from various departments in regard to their budget presentations, including new requests for fiscal year 27. So over the last two weeks we heard from 12 different departments. Looking ahead will be the mayor's budget presentation on July 22nd, which will be followed by a few weeks of council deliberations before we look to adopt the budget on August 12th. So budget season is kicked off and is already kind of in full swing. So more to come on that, but that's where we're at today. Those are the notes I had for now. Happy to field any questions if there are any. great. Great. Thanks. Any questions? All right. Oh, Gary. Hi, thank you, Justin. Those are a lot of exciting things going on. I'm curious how many miles of trail that is with a 28 acre narrow trail. If you happen to know that, I just got curious when you were talking about it. Yeah, great question. It's a test of my memory, but I feel pretty confident in saying that it is 28 acres. It's only about 150 feet wide, but it's about a mile and a half long. So it basically, this is a rough approximation, but it basically spans sort of the west to east width of the Ranch Club neighborhood and then a good chunk of that neighborhood out there on grassland. So I think it's about a mile and a half in length. And then, again, it's pretty narrow. It's only about 150 feet wide, which, you know, in terms of parcels is narrow, but that's going to be a really great trail opportunity. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I'm excited about that one. Okay, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Awesome. Well, thanks. If we don't have any other questions, any last notes or additional comments from folks? All right. Reminder, no July meeting. I will send out an email talking about the community forum meeting cadence. I would love to see this being just every seat full in the next couple of months, because I do love this. this is probably one of my favorite meetings. I love hearing everyone share information and learning about what everyone's doing. I think it's super helpful. So let's see if we can get it working. All right. Well, with that, I can take a motion to adjourn. Anyone? I make a motion to adjourn. Wonderful. Thanks, Judy. Is there a second? Craig seconds. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. We are adjourned. Thank you all so much and have a great summer. You too, Kalina. Bye-bye. Thanks. And thank you too, by the way, for all your work to the center.

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There are no increases to the short-term parking rates for fiscal year 27 and parking in our garages remains at one dollar per hour with the first hour free. With the goal to continue to encourage people to choose gar ages for storing vehicles, over storing vehicles on the street for their longer stays. We continue to see increased utilization in our safe, low-cost, and convenient garages, and we continue to look for ways to make the garages easier to access. Special parking, which includes boot removals, residential parking permits, and enforcement of the museum lot total 3% of our projected revenues. Permit income will bring in 1% of our total revenue, and permit types in this category include commercial, special service, and loading zone permits. Miscellaneous revenue is less than 1% of our revenue. It is for access card replacements, market-on-front reimbursements, and miscellaneous lease revenue, which is the revenue that we collect when contractors need to use our leased parking spaces. Our total projected revenue for fiscal year 27 is $3,432,900, which is an increase over fiscal year 26 of around $207,000. Now I will go into the expenses that these revenues support, starting with our baseline changes. We will see some baseline increases in fiscal year 27. Personnel is always our highest expense, and we expect it to increase in fiscal year 27 by roughly the value shown here. Utility assumptions were provided by our finance department and are accounted for as a percent increase over the previous year's budget. Our accounting and audit contracts will increase slightly over last year's budgeted amounts, and our midtown lot rent and city contracts also increased. We also have some decreases that I would like to highlight. With the planned removal of our gates, savings from permit and enforcement software transition from T2 to Ames, and a decrease in our monthly meter charges due to some meters that have been removed from the street, the total meter system fees will decrease by around $20,000. Our new permit and enforcement software and licensing, it's called Ames, will be just over $15,000 less than our T2 software and licensing. And then through our efforts to move meter payments over to Passport, where Passport is the merchant record, we have seen a decrease in our merchant fees. We've been tracking this decrease for about five years now, and through that tracking we recognize that the actual expense is a decrease of around $45,000 annually. The BID officer contract has been reduced due to staffing reductions in that program. This resulted in a reduced request from the Business Improvement District from what we were paying, which was a $30,000 annual support to $15,000 in annual support. And then finally, at the end of fiscal year 25 and the beginning of fiscal year 26, we were working with engineering consultants to perform conditions assessments on all of our lots and structures to create a plan for addressing deferred maintenance, which I will go into in the next slide. Our consultants were also tasked with creating maintenance plans for best practices for our routine maintenance. This plan has resulted in adjustment to how we will be addressing maintenance going forward and has helped us to right-size our baseline maintenance supplies, operating supplies, and external maintenance expenses. Using these maintenance plans, we were able to reduce our maintenance supplies, operating supplies, and maintenance external expenses for a total decrease of around $152,000. This accounts for a majority of the decrease that we will see in our baseline expenses. For the next request, I'm going to introduce you to a concept we've been using at MPC this budget season. Bold is... There it is. I can't take credit for this idea. I heard it for the first time from a realtor at the BID ratepayers annual meeting. What I can take credit for is loving it. Building has become prohibitively expensive, and that is as true in parking as it is in all areas. This has led to a shift in the real estate world from buying new and building to buying old and fixing. For us, it is going to mean keeping what we have and maintaining. Deferred maintenance isn't fun and shiny, but I think if we rebrand it with a little bit of gold, we can move in that direction. I also can't take credit for this sparkling animation. My stellar administrative team took my gold vision and made it a reality. Thank you, Gina. Thank you, Emily. So, here are some facts. Building new parking is expensive. The going rate for structured parking is between $65,000 and $75,000 per space. It takes land and it takes time. The Parking Commission is in a good position to make our older assets, particularly the three garages shown here, into the golden treasures that they could be, and to continue to serve the community with them during that process. Our conditions assessment gave recommendations to prolong the lives of our lots and structures through addressing the deferred maintenance. The recommendation falls into priorities of high, medium, and low. All high priority costs for all facilities, lots and structures, total just under $5 million. In working with our consultant, financial advisor, and our finance department, we have determined that there are two limiting factors in addressing these high priority needs: time and money. For time, we do not have the staffing capacity to manage $5 million in repair work across all our lots and structures in one year. We also do not want to shut down lots and structures for these repairs. For money, financing these repairs through debt service is not the best approach, which you will see in our debt service slide. Using our revenue to start addressing repairs, and taking our time to complete repairs rather than shutting down facilities for large-scale work, while prioritizing routine maintenance is the way that we will proceed. The Parking Commission Maintenance New Request CIP that will add an account code for deferred maintenance will total $500,000. We will use this $500,000 to start addressing high priority work after we publish an RFP to get a contractor. The final item that we need to cover with our revenues is our debt service. This is our coverage of current debt with our fiscal year 27 projected revenues and expenses. It does not include the MPC fund balance. Our existing debt is for our Park Place Garage 2014 series bond, which will be paid off in October of 2035. For the Park Place bond, we do receive an annual MRA contribution of $266,000, which was not included on the revenue slide you saw previously. Our debt coverage ratio for fiscal year 27 is 1.74. These charts show those baseline changes, the new request for adding deferred maintenance line item to our baseline, and our debt service, all of which will be covered by our fiscal year 27 revenues. You probably noticed $3.5 million exceeds our projected revenue of $3.4 million, which is why I brought up that MRA contribution of $266,000 towards the Park Place bond. Personnel is our largest expense at around 33%. Next, we have purchase services at 30%. These services include postage printing, publicity, subscriptions, utilities, training, and all outside labor, including consultants, accountants, auditors, and security, and the previously mentioned deferred maintenance expense. 6% of our expenses will be fixed charges. This includes prepaid meter fees, lot rent, merchant fees, and property taxes. The next 12%, which is $414,000, is our bond payment. Debt service, shown here, is our bond interest, which will come in at $308,000 and accounts for 9% of our expenses. Other purchased services listed here is for our city contract, which is around $192,000 and accounts for 5% of our fiscal year 27 expenses. 3% of our expenses are set to go for grants and contributions. This number includes our match funding for Missoula in Motion, support for the Missoula River Valley Transportation Management Association, support for a business support grant, and a contribution to the BID office or salary. And the final 2% of our fiscal year 27 expenses will go to supplies. These are just office supplies, repair and maintenance supplies, fuel and operating supplies like union employee clothing and signs. The total projected expenses for fiscal year 27 are $3,537,161, which is an increase over fiscal year 26 of right over $575,000. Our final new request is for enforcement vehicle repl acements. I'm going to start with providing a little history of those enforcement scooters because we do love them. They are iconic. I recognize that they're a big, they're a big part of the community. And so this transition is going to be a little hard. However, we have a fleet of four parking enforcement scoot ers for our four parking enforcement officers. In fiscal year 24, when one of those scooters was due for replacement, our board approved replacements to go into our budget. At that time, we worked with our fleet director, Scott Cowell, to arrange for replacement. And we learned that our scooter manufacturers have been increasingly unreliable in providing replacement parts, that there are no parts available in the United States. And that there was some uncertainty at that time that we should continue with that manufacturer. We have several gas scooters that had been retired that were still functional. So Scott had recommended that we use those and hold off on replacing any scooters until we had the time to re research alternatives. Since fiscal year 24, we have continued to have maintenance issues with our electric scooters that take months to address. And one of the electric scooters is currently non-oper ational and cannot be repaired. In fiscal year 27, our final two electric scooters will reach their scheduled replacement date. And we will be replacing the four scooters with plug-in Toyota RAV4 hybrids. For an estimated cost of around $132,000, this enforcement fleet replacement will be paid for with our fund balance. Lastly, we have one carryover in our budget from fiscal year 26. This project is to move from gates to a fixed LPR free flow garage access. It was included in our fiscal year 26 budget. 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We know that the budget is not going to be covered with the budget. We know that the budget is not going to be covered with the budget. We know that the budget is not going to be covered with the budget. We know that the budget is not going to be covered with the budget. And our officers are more than capable of making that shift in their enforcement. So yes, yes, it's going to be different. It's going to be different for them. Cool. Great. Thanks. Just curious. Mr. Potton. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I had a lot of similar questions that Councillor McCoy asked. So thank you for addressing those. Just from like a shift perspective, how many enforcement officers are on simultaneously? It's sort of like peak. We have the most staff on. Four. All four. Yep. And we break up our zone, our jurisdiction to four enforcement zones. So each officer is assigned to a different zone and they rotate daily. So they get a different zone. Want to follow up? Follow up. If one of these is non-operational today, how are you j uggling that currently when you have four folks on but have seemingly three of the current scoot ers? We have retired scooters that have stayed in vehicle storage and vehicle maintenance storage for years. And they're gas scooters instead of electric scooters, but they do still run. And they are actually easier to maintain for our fleet. So we are using those. However, we have the same problem with those that we have with our electric scooters, which is if a part on them does happen to fail, we won't be able to replace it, which is why we haven't just shifted back to those gas scooters. Understood. Thank you. Ms. Krask. Perhaps this is too in the weeds, but I'm very curious. Does the shift from the scooters to the vehicles help mitigate changes that we're experiencing in climate? Like a really hot, smoky time. I always wonder about people doing their jobs in those scooters and it always looks really hot in the summer or cold or wet. So I'm curious if this, this shift also helps mitigate things for their quality of work. I do know that our enforcement team will, will experience. And that's an improved quality of work life through shifting from those scooters into the sedans. Um, the scooters do have climate control functions like, um , air conditioning and heat. Uh, so they, they stay warm or they stay cool ish in the summer, but not as effectively as, um, as a full size car. And, you know, our enforcement team, they, they drive around in these scooters with the LPR in them. Um, but they're getting in and out of the scooter all day, every day. So the amount of comfort that the inside of the vehicle can provide is limited regardless on the, of the vehicle we choose. Follow up. Oh, um, I'm just curious how many miles a year get put on these vehicles. That's such a fun question. I will find it and I'll get it to you. Oh, but I can't, can I add a detail? You certainly can. Okay. Um, what we learned when we were looking at the hybrids versus electric versus, you know, the plug in hybrid is that the plug in hybrid gives you 20 to 40 miles depending, um, on each charge. So the city of Bozeman right now uses that Toyota RAV4 hybrid model. And they, um, they say that they never have to use gas. Like they never have to fill up the tank because in a regular enforcement day, you're, you're driving for around four hours, but our jurisdiction is limited. It's a lot of stop and go. You're not putting 20 miles on per day. So, um, we're, we're excited that this probably won't add to our fuel costs. Um, Sarah. Um, Jody, I'm wondering, um, when was the, has your staff capacity been the same for a long time? Or when was the last time that you had to increase it? And I'm asking because as we continue to expand the boundary of the parking commission, um, do you anticipate that need to change? If we do another expansion, we would need to hire another full-time enforcement officer. The last FTE approval that we had was in fiscal year 21 for a new enforcement officer. We did not fill that position until fiscal year 24. Um, so we've kind of had it, but not used it. And, um, so I don't anticipate unless we expand our jurisdiction again, the need for more enforcement staff. All right. Uh, thank you so much for all the information about the parking commission and, um, always something that we get questions about because the governing structure. Uh, but I appreciate the budget update. And with that, we will move on to our next department, which is parks and rec. And there are no motions today for parks and rec. So there is nothing we can say no to at this moment. You're welcome to just come talk to us. Uh, we'll be right back. Uh, we'll be right back. 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Uh, we'll be right back. Uh, we'll be right back. All right. Can everyone see the presentation? Good morning, Council. My name's Marina Yoshioka, Parks and Recreation Director. Also here with me this morning for the presentation is Ryan Applegate, Deputy Director. In this presentation today, we're going to highlight our top, um, priority budget requests. Our guiding principle for fiscal year 27 is taking care of what we have. What does this mean? The PROS Master Plan, which we completed at the end of 2025 , has an incredible amount of recommendations for the department to implement. Over 300. One priority is clear, and it's one that I consider the baseline for any healthy department providing services to the public and stewarding public assets, and that is the importance of taking care of what we have. Here's a highlight of the department's responsibilities. We operate with 130 FTE. That equates to approximately 60 year-round employees and around 400 in the summer. The department is made up of multiple divisions. Developed Parks and Trails, which takes care of our urban parks, playgrounds, commuter trails, bridges and docks, and medians and rights-of-way. Ecosystem Services, which is highlighted in the central column as Conservation Lands, has our Urban Forestry Team and Conservation Lands Team. They take care of the urban forest and the open space parc els that surround town, including our amazing trail systems. Recreation programming includes all of our aquatics facilities, after-school programs, athletic leagues, and programs for all ages. Projects and Planning has our landscape architects and planners. I heard someone mention that the best landscape architecture firm in Missoula was in Parks and Recreation, and I really like that. So as you can see, this is a big department with a lot of breadth. Let's talk budget. Parks has a base budget of $17 million. Think of this amount of money as the stable foundation for financial decision-making in the department. The budget is made up of multiple sources that boil down to two types of money. The first is tax and levy supported revenue. The main contributor is called Parks District #1. There's also a health transfer levy and the conservation and stewardship mill. These revenues are collected by the city from property taxpayers. The second type of money is earned and contracted revenue. The biggest contribution is fee-for-service. Think of this as a pay-to-play model. Summer camp fees, pool access fees, sport court rentals, events, all of these come together in the fee-for-service bucket. We also get some revenue from Missoula County through a maintenance contract for Fort Missoula Regional Park. To begin planning for the department's financial needs, I first asked the team to give me all of the requests they needed to operate and provide services at an ideal level. To my shock, these requests came in at $2.2 million. Because Park District #1, the main bucket of money, is based on tax assessment, we had to be judicious and mindful about creating a reasonable ask that wouldn't be an undue burden on taxpayers. So internally, first round, we cut those requests down to $ 900,000. We prioritized them and then further cut them down to $700, 000. In the next couple of slides, I'll go into detail about these specific requests. We prioritized and made cuts based on what we learned from PROST. Our main goal, as I've already said, is to take care of what we have. And this slide points to the policy priorities of residents , with keeping parks safe as the most important thing we can do. We know the best way to keep parks safe are threefold. One is visible maintenance to signal care. Two is the activation of space through programming. And three is community engagement to foster ownership and connection. I'm really proud that the department does all three of these things. Here is a summary of all our requests that are taxed assessed on Park District #1. All of these will be recommended by the department to the mayor for her consideration. The details of these requests, I believe, will be available to council through the process. You'll notice that the chart notes if a request is ongoing one time. Oh, sorry. Ongoing, meaning it would cost that amount each subsequent year. There is one time, which means the cost is only associated with the current fiscal year. And then there is fund balance. And those numbers are in a different color because fund balance does not impact tax assessment. Our fund balance, you can think of it as the department's piggy bank. The department aims to maintain a healthy fund balance to ensure we can cover operating costs without relying solely on current year revenues. It provides a financial cushion for unexpected expenses or delays in funding. And we're able to dip into the fund balance to cover one time costs and maintain our tax assessed requests low. Today, I want to highlight our top three requests, which are highlighted in the rectangle. You can see them in that red rectangle above. The top two requests are different sides of the same coin, and they are devoted to maintenance. Request number one is for 2.6 FTE, which equals three seasonal maintenance positions. The cost is $250,000 ongoing with a one time cost of $288, 000 for vehicles and equipment. How did we come up with the need for three positions? Over the past decade, Parks and Recreation has absorbed seven new trail corridor sections, five new parks, and many sections of right away, including maintenance of four new roundabouts and expans ions at Airway and Expressway and the Russell Street. The additional three positions will support the team to do maintenance that is currently not able to be done, because the existing crew is spread so thin. Request number two is our highest priority cyclical maintenance work. The department carries approximately a $7 million tab for deferred maintenance across the system. It's important to make a dent and get ahead of the growing backlog. I'm proposing $180,000 ongoing, plus a one time $243,000 from the fund balance. In order of priority, we would begin with the 20-year cycle replacement projects at Splash and Currents, which are anticipated at $1.2 million in the next five to seven years . As an ongoing input, we would also use the money to triage maintenance needs across the system for emergencies. In addition to maintenance, programming ranked at 80% in our survey for the public's policy priorities for the department. One of the really cool things we've done to make programming truly accessible to residents of Missoula is our scholarships and sliding fee scale. The request is for $20,000 ongoing and $130,000 one time fund balance. This money is not just an investment in our youth, it's an investment in Missoula families. These accessible programs are part of our strategy to keep Missoula affordable. Some quick stats: Over 60% of our participants are from low -income households. These scholarships and sliding fee scale opportunities have allowed enrollment to grow because these programs support critical care for Missoula's youth in after school, schools out, and summer camp programming. Funding this request helps increase annual ongoing support for these essential programs, and the one-time support from the fund balance ensures both programs have adequate funding to end fiscal year 27 in a financially stable position. Next up, Deputy Director Ryan Applegate is going to highlight our fee-for-service requests, which are funded from user fees and do not have a tax impact. Thanks, Marina. Ryan Applegate, Deputy Director of Parks and Recreation. Thanks, Marina. Ryan Applegate, Deputy Director of Parks and Recreation. As Marina said, these are funded through fee-for-service contract and donations and grants, and represent support for our programming services to the community, and conveys expending authority related to revenue generated from rentals, permits, and youth-for-fee services . The first request, program fee-for-service, is $214,390. This represents both additional FTE in our youth programming for a full-time position, and .85 of pooled variable staff to support our seasonal growth in our program and cross the system. It also helps us to increase our operating expenses to keep pace with the programs. As we said, this is projected revenues and indicates expense authority based on those projected revenues. We'll also say we increased our revenues before this request by 6% in our baseline budget to keep pace with the growing costs of employment and goods at a baseline level. So this request already contemplates the baseline increase due to natural wage growth and contractors at 6%. The second one, community program. This request is for budget authority to reflect anticipated incoming fiscal year 27 grant and donation funding under the recreation program divisions. These funds decrease the cost of services to participants in the community directly related to after-school and out-of-school programming and provides essential childcare to our community. The bottom two requests are related to urban forestry and conservation lands management. The plant care attendant request is associated with Missou la's urban forestry entering into agreements with the Missoula Redevelopment Agency and Missoula Public Works and Mobility to plant trees associated with sidewalk and boulevard improvement projects. The urban forestry program will be responsible for sourcing wholesale trees, manage planning contracts, provide two years of care, and develop relationships with adjacent neighborhoods and ensure tree care following the two-year establishment phase. In the summer of 2026, this partnership plans to plant 230 trees across multiple projects. And this request provides for the spending authority related to the contracted revenue for a seasonal plant care attendant to water trees and maintain tree protection for two summers. The final one on the screen is a shared front country r anger. For almost a decade, the conservation lands program and the Lolo National Forest Service have been jointly funding a seasonal trail ranger position. This position works evenings and weekends across the city and forest service trails conducting education and outreach . This program partnership has been very effective at increasing responsible recreation and following of rules and regulations. Having this position results in some of the most effective direct trail user outreach either organization does. In the past, this was jointly funded with the forest service hiring for the position moving forward. The city will hire for this position with the forest service contributing. Revenue from the this partnership agreement will reimburse expenditures at the end of the field season. And also just, you know, these alternative funded from fees and agreements and donations and grants that provide one time expending authority. And we will look at this every year and come back as grants and donations and our fees for services fee for services is a little bit more repetitive as we grow our programs responsibly. But the grants and donations are one time expending authority and the fee for services, an ongoing request. Just also like to say that, you know, our growing conservation lands volunteer program in partnership with local partner, not for profits are really supporting stewardship of our natural lands. And our, our, our department under a market systems services division has been really growing that volunteerism . Also under our urban forestry program with partnerships with trees for Missoula, we've been really growing our ability to take care and manage the immense urban forest that is under the purview of parks and recreation. And on my walk here, there were, I think nine pods in McC ormick park getting ready for their summer camp day. Um, and it's truly amazing to see and be a part of a community that supports that childcare and that youth programming. Um, and those growing rec programs are over 20,000 participant days of service to our youth and families. Um, and our aquatics facilities, um, and our aquatics facilities over 170,000 of unique swim visits, teaching lifelong skills of swimming. Um, and then at Fort Missoula regional park, uh, two weekends ago hosted an 81 tournament youth soccer tournament regional wide, um, bringing over a thousand just participants to play with their families to stay for two to three days in Missoula. Um, and just the economic benefit of that, um, and just the economic benefit of that, um, and these beautiful places to , um, play. Um, we're really fortunate to be in a community that supports these activities. And I'm really fortunate to be in service with the group of employees and staff, um, that, uh, dedicate their, uh, professional lives for supporting that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So to wrap up this presentation, a quick review of our capital improvement plan and partnerships. These are long-term projects that are in the works. I want to highlight how the team has been proactive and creative in finding alternative funding sources. Of the already 8.75 million approved capital projects, 70% have alternative funding sources. And that's the only one that we have to do. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I'll now take any questions. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um, while council's queuing up, I guess I have two. One, if you'd go back to the slide, I think right before this one, uh, park. And stuff. I see the midtown commons. One is 100% outside of the city. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. 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Well, first, I'm really excited and honored to be a part of this team and join the City of Missoula and the Parks and Recreation Department. They're really talented. They put out a lot of good work. And so it's just a really feels good to be a part of it. In terms of my assessment and plans, we're working on prioritizing PROST. PROST is a beast. When I got here, I thought, oh, we can organize this rather simply. But there's no simple way to organize it. I've tried a bunch of different ways. The goal is to have PROST prioritized by the end of the year. And what does prioritized mean? From it, from the 300 recommendations, I think we can take the time -- if we put them on a time horizon, we can identify what comes in the next years one through three, which we'll incorporate in a park strategic plan. And that will really guide our budget requests for the subsequent years. And then taking the whole plan, which puts us out 15 years, we map that out kind of in a 15-year, more of like an internal document. But as we plan capital projects, as we plan requests and actions that will take us further into a future, I'd like to know kind of what we're thinking of doing in 10 years, 15 years. So that's in the works right now. I'm hoping to bring those priorities to council by the end of the year and share them with park board as well. Great. Thank you. Ms. Becerra. Thank you. Ms. Becerra. Thanks, Marina for the presentation. Could you repeat again what the ask is from Park District 1 ? Ms. Yes. And I'll go back to the slide. Ms. And while you pull that up, I guess the reason I'm asking is that would be to increase Park District 1 by that amount in order to meet the request. Ms. Correct. Ms. Correct. Ms. Do we have any rough estimate of what that means for the taxpayer? An additional what in order to cover that request? Ms. I think we have a general idea, correct? Ms. So I mostly do those calculations based on capital projects and relating to any type of bond debt financing. Ms. But the $700,000, thinking about that in that term, so it'll be a rough estimate and please don't quote, but I believe, well, maybe I'm overthinking this. So on Park District, an increase of $700,000 to support these requests, I think would likely be around. So if it's, you know, I'm going to have to get back to you based on doing calculations in my mind. So I don't want to misspeak on that. But we do have that calculator and I can get that number back to you. Ms. But I don't mean to put you on the spot, really. I just, I think it's always important to have the cost benefit analysis for the request so that we know what we're asking our taxpayers to tax themselves. Well, what their request is from the city in terms of how much more they have to pay in property taxes given an average or I can't remember, Dale, how we calculate for a household, for a house median or an average price home, how much more that family would have to pay in taxes. And my point is that I think if we look at that individual or household contribution to the huge benefit that I think we get from parks, it makes it a lot easier to pitch and swallow for that family, for that household. Yes. And so we targeted a 3% to 5% increase on Park District number one. For? For? To get to, that's how we calculated, $700,000. Okay. So then that would be distributed across taxpayers. Correct. Okay. And so if you want the dollar amount per like a 2,000 square foot house average, we can calculate that. I think we normally, Dale, maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, but we use a certain value home and then estimate how much more the property tax would be on that house. Correct? Yeah. Dale Bickel, Chief Administrative Officer. I was going to be really impressed if Ryan was going to do that in his head. He gave it an honest try for a second. Yeah. But, you know, we typically bring our estimated tax increases in the form of a typical, in a couple of ways. We do it per $100,000 value of a residence and then a median house price. And we also try to make a distinction between true market value and assessed market value, which are closer now than they've been in the past, but there is still a difference there. And so we try to make those calculations for all of it. And then further, we also want to make sure we're putting it in the context of all the city mills and all of the other taxing jurisdictional mills. So it's a, you know, when we're looking at the total taxpayer impact, it's important to use that whole context. So seeing a 3 to 5% increase in park district for Marina's example, that is a small, it's not a, that's not a 3 to 5% increase in total city taxes, because that is just the park estimate of that. And so it's, so, you know, we'll, as we go through the process and we'll, and the mayor builds her budget and presents that, that'll, that'll all be part of that discussion. Great. Thank you. And again, I don't mean to put anyone on the spot. I just think it's based on everything that parks does for our community. Um, it's, it's, uh, an investment that our community makes into, um, park district. And I think, um, yeah, it's always good to have that cost benefit analysis. Cause we get, I think I personally think we get a lot from our investments. Thank you. Mr. McCoy. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I was wondering if you could expand on the relationship with the forest service, that front country ranger. Um, if you know, like I saw our expenditure, um, if you know, kind of the breakdown and the share of expenses, like what type of position is that? Is it temporary? Is it temporary? 1287 that the forest service hires? Um, are we part of that hiring process? I'm just curious about that a little more detail. Yeah. So it's a partnership. Um, the details of the, the details of it have changed over the years. Um, as Ryan mentioned, the position used to be hired by the forest service and was a U S forest service ranger position . Um, the city of Missoula parks and recreation were part of a front country. And I think it was a, the city of Missoula. Um, the city of Missoula. Um, the city of Missoula. Um, the city of Missoula. Um, the city of Missoula. Um, the city of Missoula. Um, the city of Missoula. Um, the city of Missoula. Um, the city of Missoula. Um, the city of Missoula. Um, the city of Missoula. The ranger. It's a seasonal position. It's just for the summer. So it's less than a 1280. I believe. Um, they work evenings and weekends across city and U S forest trails, conducting education and outreach. And the way to make that position whole financially, the forest service now gives us money to pay for that position, but we hire them and they are a city employee. Okay, great. And what was my question? Um, dang it. That slipped from my mind. If it comes back to me, I'll ask again. Thanks. Uh, Mr. Campbell. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, thank you for the presentation. Um, just curious Marshall mountain. Every year we have a contribution for maintenance. It comes from the, uh, parks, uh, special district. Last year was roughly 52,000 year before around 160,000. I'm just curious. What you're anticipating. Our contribution would be to that. That is a great question. Let me look at Ryan. Ryan. This year, there is no anticipated increase to the city's contribution for Marshall mountain. The county will be reviewing the actual costs as they are doing their build out. Um, but this year per the agreement, um, it was that I believe one 60 and then another 50. And so that the city's contribution is at 210 per year for full maintenance of, of county, uh, that county on property . So, um, that's how much the city pays to the county or the maintenance of Marshall mountain. Um, that's how much the city is. Um, that's how much the city is. That's how much the city is. Um, that's how much the city is. Um, that's how much the city is. That's how much the city is. That's how much the city is. That's how much the city is. That's how much the city is. That's how much the city is. That's how much the city is. That's how much the city is. That's how much the city is. Uh, let's, uh, let's. I was going to say you're off the hook, but we could be opening up a whole new set of questions now. Um, just did the numbers and conferred with a finance department a little bit. And, um, it's about a dollar 46 per a hundred thousand of assessed value. Um, with changes in the state legislature, a median home value of about 500,000, 507,000. It's about $8 and 10 cents for that 700,000. Thank you. That's it. I think that's a really good number to keep in mind. Thanks. And that's to be, to clarify that 700,000 is the new. Yes. For the, the $8 and 10 cents is based on the new, the $700, 000 new requests. Yes. Which hit park district. Number one. All right. Any other questions? All right. Seeing none. Thank you very much for being here and presenting and giving us thorough information. And I guess thorough enough information that we didn't take the full, allotted amount of time for parks. Um, thank you. So with that, we are actually a little bit ahead of schedule. So let's take a, uh, 10 minute, uh, recess and then see if staff is here and ready to go. And if not, we might have to wait a little bit longer, but public works and mobility is next. And, uh, we're going to have to wait a little bit. We're going to have to wait a little bit. 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Thanks for the opportunity to present our FY27 budget for Public Works and Mobility. My name is Jeremy Keene. I'm the Director for Public Works and Mobility. And I have with me today Aaron Wilson and Logan McGinnis who are going to help me present. I also have Rebecca Anzio online if we have any detailed questions. And I thought what we'd do is I'll spend the first 30 or 40 minutes talking about kind of the high-level budget priorities and our new requests. We can do some Q&A after that and take a break if we need to. And then we'll have Aaron present the Transportation CIP and Logan present the Utility CIP. If that sounds okay, I'll continue on with that. Our mission at Public Works is about things that promote health and safety and quality of life for Missoula residents, for our visitors. We take a lot of pride in doing the things that are behind the scenes that make all of the infrastructure and transportation systems work. Public Works is five divisions, 183 people. We have administration, which includes myself and our business and operations, communications, safety, and risk management. We have planning and engineering division, which includes the Transportation MPO, the Metropolitan Planning Organization. We have the State and County level coordination we do with our federal grant programs. And then Missoula in Motion, which is our transportation demand management programming. And then in engineering, we have three different engineering groups, development review, utilities, and transportation engineering. And then we have street maintenance and operations, which includes street maintenance, traffic signals, and communications, and traffic services, which is signing and striping. And they also do a lot of the wintertime snow maintenance on sidewalks and bridges. Utility maintenance and operations, three divisions there, water, wastewater, and stormwater utilities. Those are all three enterprise funds that we budget separately. And then finally, the Missoula City Cemetery. So it's a big organization, very diverse. We do a lot of different things. We often think about this as like running five different companies all at the same time. So we really have to do a lot of work to coordinate all of that and pull together a cohesive strategy when we do our budget. So our work is really guided by the city's strategic plan. This was updated earlier this year, and it's really focused now on what are the outcomes we're trying to achieve and how do we measure them. So rather than simply measuring the number of projects we 're completing, we're really interested in how people experience the work we do in relation to these three pillars. Thriving people in neighborhoods, safe, healthy, and resilient community, and responsive, data-driven, sustainable government. So every day we're working to deliver those things through infrastructure, through our transportation systems, and through the customer service we provide. So our key priorities in public works represent the ways that we support the city's strategic goals. In the area of responsive, data-driven government, we're implementing new billing software for the utilities, which will improve the customer experience and also lower our cost and workload. We're working on improving our communication strategies around how we engage and inform the public. So this is things like updating our website and also updating other communication tools that we use. We are investing in new facility improvements that will meet our long-term needs for office equipment and yard space by remodeling the building on West Broadway. This is the former mountain water building that now houses a good portion of public works staff. And we're continuing to expand and develop our asset management capabilities and our record keeping at the cemetery. In the area of thriving people in neighborhoods and safety, safe, healthy, and resilient communities, we really continue to think about how we invest in water, wastewater, streets, sidewalks, green infrastructure, all those things that support healthy neighborhoods. And we're also working on building connected neighborhoods through safer walking, biking, transit, roadway networks. And we're investing in preservation of our infrastructure through things like pavement condition surveys and pavement preservation, modernizing our equipment and streets, and workforce development. Continue to invest in our water system, both in terms of water technology upgrades. We'll talk more about our SCADA system later. And treatment plant and compost upgrades, stormwater management, and green infrastructure. So these are all kind of high-level priorities, and you'll see a lot of the work we do kind of falls out of these things as we design our budget and build our projects. So some of the ways that we measure our success, these are metrics that we either are starting to track or have been tracking for a number of years that really help us measure how we're doing, measure those outcomes. So pavement condition is one that we want to monitor to understand what's the level of investment that we need to maintain our pavement system. And so there's a convenient way of indexing your pavement, a pavement condition index. You can think about it like a report card. And we're targeting a level of 70 as a good level of condition for the pavement that tells us that if we're maintaining that level, we're doing the preventative maintenance we need that will prevent having to do expensive reconstruction. In the water system, we really look at leak reduction. And in the last four years, we've been able to reduce our leakage by 30% in the system. And so that has a really significant effect on our cost of running the system and the rates that we charge our customers. And that's really a direct reflection of the work we've done investing in water main replacement detection. In stormwater, we're looking at the amount of material that we remove from the system. So this is a real indicator of how much we're protecting our groundwater and surface waters by removing things like heavy metals and hydrocarbons from those systems. So we measure the actual cubic yards that we remove from all the sumps and storm inlets around town to understand how much of that material we're able to remove. And then finally, bike and pedestrian connections. We're measuring miles of new sidewalks and bike lanes and shared use paths to understand our work in terms of creating a more connected transportation system. Just a couple highlights from the last year, some of our recent successes. We finished the Grant Creek Restoration Project. This is a really unique project where we were able to restore a natural creek function and floodplain, create some future recreational space with a greenway and a future trail, and also free up tens or hundreds of acres of land for development in that area that was previously encumbered by the floodplain. We did two safety intersection projects, a new roundabout at the intersection of Phillips and Scott, and a new traffic signal at Orange and Craig. We both improved safety and circulation for the neighborhood and areas near downtown. We're closing in on completion of the compost facility upgrade. This was a major upgrade, and we received some big grant dollars to do this that will really help with capacity of the compost facility, and also meeting our environmental requirements. And then finally, as you all know, the code reform and manual update were a huge part of our work in the last year , really looking at how we can streamline development review and support much-needed housing in Zula. What's next for us? Of course, we're looking to kick off the downtown SAM project later this year. It's going to be a big transformative project for downtown. We are continuing to work on water main replacements, and we're starting to tee up a sewer main replacement program or rehabilitation program. A lot of the sewer mains can be rehabilitated with lining rather than completely replacing the pipe, but we're seeing this as a similar need to water where some of these pipes are 100 years old, and their condition is starting to deteriorate to the point where they're no longer serviceable. We hope to be kicking off next summer the South Avenue Safe Streets for All project. This is a big road reconstruction project between Reserve Street and all the way out to Clements Road. It will really improve safety and accessibility to the Fort Missoula Park and the schools that are out there, so nice project there. And then we're looking to break ground on the Broadway building remodel later this summer, starting with a new truck facility that will be out in the yard space behind the building and will allow for us to use more of the interior of the building for new conference rooms and additional office space. Those are all some exciting big things that we're doing, and I think they really line up well with some of the strategic goals that I talked about before. So I want to give you just kind of a high-level budget summary and new requests. I want to remind you that there is more information available on the city's website under the budget page. If you want to get into the details of any of our new requests or any of our CIPs, you can definitely get everything you want there in terms of all the numbers and all the detailed explanations of what these requests are about. And we're happy to answer any questions that you have today if there's more detail. So all in all, we have about a $71 million operating budget proposed for FY27. You can see about 65% of the revenue is coming from utility rates, permits, licenses, and other charges for services. About 16% of our revenue comes from property assessments. This is the road district. And 13% is other sources like gas tax, intergovernmental contracts, and grants. Notably, about 6% of this budget is cash from fund balances . So there's $3.9 million of enterprise fund balance and about $270,000 of road district fund balance. And so this is really the result of some good long-range financial planning and rate setting that's allowed us to use cash for one-time expenses and capital projects. And so this year we're proposing to use about $13 million in cash-funded utility projects by using both those fund reserves and current revenues to help support those capital projects. So that reduces our debt cost. And it amounts to about 37% of the total utility CIP, which is $32 million. So now I'll just take you through each fund, the revenues and expenses by fund, starting with road district. So road district includes all of our administration, streets, engineering, and the cemetery. About 60% of that revenue comes from property assessments. And the remainder is charges for services, things like engineering and planning fees, licenses and permits, maintenance contracts and special projects that we do for MDT, Department of Transportation. Gas taxes and transfers from the utility funds. On the expense side, you can see that most of that cost is in personnel. About 53% is personnel. About 20% is materials and operating expenses. About 9% is debt service. And that represents vehicles and equipment that we purchase and finance, as well as facilities, facility improvements like what we're doing on the Broadway building. We have four new requests in the road district. The first two are a new engineering FTE and software. This is primarily to support the new sewer main rehab program. And this is actually being paid by the utility enterprise funds. So there'll be a transfer into road district to support this. And the software is licensing costs for plan review software. It's a software called DigiPlan that works along with our S ela permitting software. It's used to review plans and submittals. The next request is five new pieces of equipment for streets. This is two portable reader boards, a stand-up curb machine , a striping grinder, and a hitch-mounted safety basket. So these are all tools that will help improve public communication, enhance our in-house capabilities, and efficiency and reduce our reliance on contracted services. We've had a lot of good success using these reader boards and being able to give folks advance notice of when projects are going to happen, when street closures are going to happen. So we're looking to expand that capability there. We're also continuing to replace our sweeper fleet. So we're proposing to replace two more sweepers this year. These are very high wear, high maintenance equipment, and we've been keeping our fleet running with bailing wire and duct tape for quite a few years, and we've finally been able to start replacing these. This is a really important piece of doing work for air quality. All the particulate on the streets really adds to the air quality issues that we have in the winter, and so being able to sweep is important. It also helps protect the groundwater. These purchases are financed over seven years, so the total amount is $760,000, but it amounts to $176,500 each year when it's financed. And finally, we're looking at a new piece of equipment to install smart signal technology at South Avenue and Johnson. And this is a key multimodal corridor with a bike path that runs through it, and this new signal technology will be something that we can use for advanced detection, some remote monitoring capabilities that will improve safety and accessibility and traffic operations at that intersection. And this is kind of a pilot project to test some new technology that we want to try out to see how it has maybe potential benefits for other intersections. Just a final note about cemetery. So cemetery is mostly included in the road district budget that you saw previously. All of the personnel and operating expenses are in that other budget. But cemetery has a capital reserve fund. And cemetery revenues, services that we sell at the cemetery or monuments, things like that, they all go into this fund. They all go into this fund and it's used to purchase capital improvements for the cemetery. So equipment and other improvements are paid for out of this fund. So the new request this year is to do two new niche walls. These are memorial areas where you can store cremated remains. You can store cremated remains. And this was part of our cemetery strategic plan a few years ago to add two more of these walls. So we'll do that this year. In transportation, this is primarily funded by grants. So you can see that the majority, 75% or more, is grant funded. And then it's also supported with some road district transfers. One of the issues we're seeing in transportation is a decreasing funding picture for the federal funding. So there's more MPOs around the state and less funding to go around. So we're not sure what's going to happen with the transportation reauthorization, but we're continuing to manage this budget into the future, thinking about how that funding picture may change. Some of the ways we're doing that is by managing our vac ancies, delaying some of the rehiring, and also delaying or not using consultants as much for some of our projects. So we're doing more in-house work and trying to reduce our overall costs there. This does affect our capacity and productivity. So it's probably not sustainable long term, but we're managing it in this year anyway. We're able to make the budget work. The one new request for transportation, this is actually funded through road district, but this is to do our pavement condition survey update. We did this in 2019, and that gave us a pavement condition index. And what we'd like to do this year is update that survey so we can understand the deterioration model. So we want to know how accurately we're predicting deterior ation of the pavement, and that'll help us understand what our preventative funding levels should be in order to keep that pavement at a good condition. Moving on to water, you can see that the majority of the revenue comes from rates. And then you can also see that about $3.3 million of fund balance is included in our revenues this year, which is being used to support about $8.4 million of CIP projects. So those CIPs are being supported both by FY27 revenues and some cash fund balance that we have available. So this is all continuing to maintain our financial metrics . So the metrics we use are to have 120 days cash and 125% of debt coverage as minimums. And so even using this fund balance, spending down a little bit of the fund balance, we're still projecting 575 days of cash and 159% of debt coverage. So we're still in good shape financially to meet our metrics. And again, this reduces the amount of money that we have to borrow for capital projects. So new requests in water. This one you've seen already. We had a request a few weeks ago to do an advanced hire for a new service line crew FTE. This expands our capacity to address leaking service lines and emergency repairs. That's a successful program that we started in FY26, and it actually exceeded our expectations in terms of the numbers of projects we were able to do. And we expect to see continued high demand for these services going forward. So we're looking to expand that capacity. We're also looking to build capacity in our distribution team. This is the group that works on all of the pipes and valves and hydrants around town, responds to emergency repairs. And adding this position will allow us to maintain proactive maintenance of hydrants and valves, respond more efficiently to needs, support ongoing services, the ongoing service line upgrade and replacement work, and continue to do advanced leak detection. which is in reduction efforts, which is something that we've really been successful in identifying where the leaks are occurring. For a long time, we were just replacing pipes that we knew were old and susceptible to leakage. And in the last couple of years, we've really improved our technology around detecting leaks so we can pinpoint those areas even more precisely. This request also includes a vehicle and equipment. So that's why that number is pretty high. And you can see there's $100,000 one-time costs and 104 ongoing costs. We're also proposing to reallocate a portion of our current funding that's in the capital improvement program that's in the capital improvement program. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. And we're going to be able to do that. So that's been programmed under the CIP in kind of a broad category of miscellaneous improvements or future main improvements. What this will do is allow us to perform these smaller projects with the operating budget and do things like begin design for larger projects before it has to go through the full CIP and the more complicated state revolving loan fund process, which is very cumbersome. So it lets us design, develop those projects, understand the costs before we develop a CIP. It also allows us to perform those smaller kind of intermittent projects that come up along the way. So that improves our efficiency, reduces our cost of loans. It also helps us support some of the things that were in the new land use plan. So one of the items here is new and replacement hydrants. So we've identified areas around town where there's not sufficient fire coverage. And that would normally be a cost that would fall to those developers. But when we have small incremental development happening, that can often be a burden to those projects and a deter rent from that development from happening. So we're looking at going in and systematically adding new fire hydrants and improving fire capacity. We also have a couple of new equipment requests for water to improve our efficiency and operations. This is a valve turner, a new skid steer, and meter pits. And what we're looking to do with meter pits is incentivize customers to move their meter from the basement of their house out into the yard where it's easier for us to access. So we're providing the meter pit as an incentive and encouraging homeowners to move that meter out into the yard . It's required with new construction, but all the existing homes, we have a lot of existing homes where the meter is inside the house. And so that's a liability for us because if there is a leak , if there's a problem with it, we're responsible. It also requires coordinating with the homeowner to get into the house. So it's a nice, less invasive way of providing that service . In wastewater, again, you can see the majority of the revenue's rates. We are using some fund balance to support the CIP along with some FY27 revenues. We have about $3.5 million of proposed cash-funded CIPs this year. It has the same financial metrics, 120 days cash and 125% debt coverage. And again, we're projecting good cash reserves, 176 days of cash and 128% of debt coverage. So I'm in good shape there. And we have two new requests in wastewater. The first is a new SCADA FTE in conjunction with IT to help us establish backup and reduce dependency on contracted expertise. So SCADA is the system that runs all of the pumps and valves and things in both the wastewater system and the water system. It's radio telemetry. It's complicated equipment that is sort of partly in the field done and partly done on a computer. And so it's a little bit of a unicorn trying to find the right folks to do this. And so we're trying to increase our knowledge of SCADA internally, both with our IT group and also within public works, to really have a solid bench of people that can operate this system. Right now, we rely pretty heavily on consultants for that. And we see that as a risk. Consultants aren't always available. The current consultant that we're using is approaching retirement and is less available. So this is something we really need to work on as really an important security measure for both of those systems. This is a shared cost between water and wastewater, and it also includes a vehicle and a computer. We're also looking to add a new compost foreman. It'll increase capacity at compost. What we're seeing at compost, we have a lot of large projects and need for marketing that we'd like to free up our compost manager to work on those things. The compost project that we're working on right now, there 'll be some continued work with that. And we're also working on the poplar farm. That's going to need some work in the coming years that Logan will talk about more in a minute. And then we have mount compost out there, which is really, it's all of the product that we have had really since we've bought the eco-compost back in the day. We're really trying to offload more of that material. And we were making good progress on it until we had the windstorm in 24. And that just added a lot more material. And so we're kind of back where we started in trying to reduce the quantity of material that we have there. And it's important both because it takes up a lot of space and also because it can be a fire hazard. That compost sits and heats and I've had a couple of fires out there. So we're trying to reduce that quantity, try to find ways to find uses for it. And finally, we have stormwater. And this is an interesting one. Only about 56% of their revenue comes from rates. And they've done a really amazing job of securing grants to support their capital improvements. So you can see that the big chunk of capital projects there that are all funded by grants. It's a real success story in finding that money and deploying it using a fairly small amount of local money to match those grants. We have two requests in stormwater. The first is just an inflationary increase for operations and materials. This is just to help us keep up with some of the costs that we're seeing increasing. And the second is similar to water. We're looking to move about $200,000 from the CAP into our operating budget to work on small projects and shared work with transportation and street work. So this lets us program small sump replacements and other storm drainage improvements at the same time as other work is happening with streets. And it's just a little more efficient to have it in our operating budget rather than having it in a formal CIP. So with that, I'll pause and we can take some questions on new requests and base budget. And then we'll turn it over to folks to talk about CIPs. All right. Before we move on to other public work sites, questions from anybody on council so far? Mr. Campbell. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you this far for your presentation. Just curious for future projects. I didn't see any mention of that roundabout project, Turing Broadway. I just wondered what the status is of that or where we're at with that. Yeah, thanks. We'll talk about that in our CIP section, but that is in the list. All right. And one other. Go right ahead. Thank you. So your slide on SCADA and explaining what that system is made me think about a recent news magazine article I've seen. Just talking about utility infrastructure in general across the country. And potential susceptibility to bad actors coming in, doing bad things to systems. See them like national power grid infrastructure, but they, this article centered more on like local system units. Our system. Yeah. Without getting into any detail, are we, is there an awareness of those types of things and any general steps? Yeah. Thank you. That's a great question. I'm going to ask Logan to talk a little bit about that. It is something that is of high concern for us and we continue to look at our security. Thanks. I'm Logan McInnes, deputy director for utilities. So yeah, good question. And actually just about two weeks ago, we had, we spent about a week with SISA, which is like the federal part of Homeland Security. And they did a really detailed audit of both of our water and wastewater facilities. It was an amazing opportunity that we were able to access. So we're kind of waiting for the report back from them. You know, like in general, we got a lot of great feedback. You know, like our water system is completely disconnected from the internet. Like basically the only way to hack our water system is from inside the building. So it like, we're definitely best practice for water in that regard. Wastewater has maybe some more vulnerabilities, but not, I think they're pretty typical. So we're going to get a lot of good suggestions, I think, out of that SISA audit. And, you know, like Jeremy talked about, we, you know, probably our biggest vulnerability is just lack of staff. You know, we have real, you know, we're building the capacity, but we're going to need more in the future because it is a major vulnerability. But I think we feel really good about kind of the direction and where things are at. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. Thanks. Mr. McCoy. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just a couple of questions. So the street sweepers that you mentioned, I want to say my understanding is, is they, those street sweepers work a lot , right? They don't just clean the streets. Like when you guys do chip seal, they come in and help with that cleanup process. Is that, is that accurate? Like they're not just like cleaning up the streets in the fall and the spring. Yeah. They, they really do a lot of work for us. You're right. They're, they're sweeping chips. They're, they're helping with leaf pickup. We use them almost year round. You know, anytime that we don't have frozen streets, we're sweeping. So they're, they're really important part of our fleet. Yeah. I got that impression when I was out there doing that work. And I just wanted to clarify that. I also appreciated your mention of federal funding. And I'm, I'm curious if you guys are, it really seems like federal funding in the near term is, is going. Are you guys anticipating that? Are you guys anticipating that? And like looking to see that at least in the next two to three years, um, that funding, you know, just may not be available or much lower cost. I know you mentioned it, but I just want to maybe touch on it some more. Yeah. It's, it's really hard to guess what that's going to look like. We, we did really well in the past five years with a lot of the federal infrastructure money that came. We were able to get a good share of that. I don't think we're going to see that same opportunity in the next five years, but I do think there's still a lot of good bipartisan support for, for funding infrastructure. And, and, um, some of the bills that have been proposed actually look fairly good for us that we would see some increases in, in both planning funds and, and maybe direct allocations to the city. So I'm optimistic that it's maybe not going to get worse, but it's, it's really hard to say. Okay, great. I guess I hadn't picked up on those bills that are going through. Um, oh, my last question is, I was curious about the, the pavement survey and, and like, how thorough is that? Are we able to like, look at all of our streets? Do we focus on our, you know, our main thoroughfares? How thorough is it? Yeah, it's, it's very detailed. They, they drive every street with a machine that does LID AR. Um, and so it records every crack in the pavement and then it's processed to figure out how deteriorated that pavement is based on cracks and vertical differences and things like that. Okay. Wow. That's great. We can get to every street. So, yeah. And it, you know, it gives us a bit of a map in terms of where we should go next with our, with our pavement preservation projects. So, trying to use technology to identify how to prioritize the projects. For sure. Great. That's all I have. Thank you. All right. Ms. Pacera. Um, I think one of my favorite low cost purchases was those , um, reader boards, because I've gotten a lot of good feedback from community members. And, um, I guess I'm wondering, those are different than the speed, the radar speed signs, right? And are we intending to buy more of those? Because it seems like as we hear from our, um, from residents that, you know, speeds are a concern. Do we have enough of those to be deployed and kind of help in assessing future needs in the neighborhood in terms of speeds? Yeah. Thanks. They, those are different. It's two different things. Um, the, the reader boards are really just message boards and the speed trailers that you're talking about actually record speeds and put, and tell you how fast you're going. So that's a good tool. Um, do you know the answer to that, Brian? I, you know, I think we have two. Yeah. I'm not aware that we're not able to keep up with the requests. You know, we typically move them around town and so we'll have them out all the time, but it doesn't seem to be a need to have more right now. So we have two of the speed trailers and two of the message boards, right? Okay. Yeah. So this will add two more of the message boards. Great. Thank you. All right. It looks like that's it for the questions at the moment. So we can go on to the next part. Okay. Thank you. All right. Well, thanks for having me. I'm Aaron Wilson, the planning manager for public works and mobility. And I'm going to go through the transportation CIP program and the new requests and the projects that we have going. Um, give a quick summary. And then similar to Jeremy, we'll have some time for, for questions on, on those projects before we shift over to the utility side of things. Um, so I want to start with just an overview of the total funding that we have both in new requests and then kind of our overall five year CIP program. Um, and just to reiterate on something that Jeremy had presented earlier with the overall public works, um, budget . Um, this is in addition to that. So this is essentially all the capital funding and revenues that come in to fund the, those CIP projects like road reconstructions and intersection improvements and such. So we have about $24 million in new requests included in, in this year's, uh, budget. Um, that's a portion of our, that five years. Um, and one of the things I really want to point out, there 's maybe two key points here on, on this pie chart. One is that federal grants are nearly half of our overall, uh, new requests for this year. So about 45% that includes mostly federal grants from discretionary programs or, uh, through the MPO. Um, and then also we have a number of different funds that go into these CIP projects. So we have gas tax, we have transportation impact fees, we have tax increment financing or funding that goes towards infrastructure projects. Um, we have some development contributions, special improvement districts, sort of all of this mix of funding that we package together to try to fund all of our projects . Um, and as I'll get into, you'll see sort of how that mix kind of goes into different projects, uh, and our new requests. But I think those are the sort of two main points that, that this, uh, the one I get across with this. Before I get into all of our new requests and what's coming up, I thought it'd be helpful just to talk about what you 're probably seeing out there on the ground today in terms of construction. Um, there's a lot going on between streets and utilities. And I'm sure you're all getting occasional calls about those, um, construction projects and detours, but it's all really good work. Um, and so we're excited to have a number of projects under construction this year, including completing the Eaton Street project. So phase two, taking that all the way to Sussex. Um, we're working on currently working on the Flynn Lane path project, which is completing and reconstructing that, that path out in the Mullen area by Hellgate School. It'll go from Mullen Road, essentially almost to Broadway. Um, and then we'll connect in with future phases of, of trails as additional development happens in that area. Uh, we're also completing the Ivy Franklin, um, sidewalk project. Uh, that includes sidewalks, curb gutters, some intersection traffic calming, uh, features. Um, that's also under construction right now. Uh, and then we have a small sidewalk project that's part of the urban renewal district too. Uh, the public works is managing on Maple and Birch street, trying to complete out those sidewalk networks within that urban renewal district. And then we'll have our hazardous sidewalks, which is just going out and fixing those areas with existing sidewalks where we have heaves or spalling or deteriorating sidewalk that creates a accessibility or a safety or trip hazard. Um, so those are all projects that are under construction right now. Uh, previously funded projects that we'll see coming online here in the next year or two include England Boulevard. There's some, um, portions along West End Homes that it's sort of developer partnership that we'll be working on. Um, similar to with Mary Jane Boulevard South, uh, along the snow farm project, those, those will be being completed . Uh, we have the wayside horns, uh, continuing to work on the alternative material sidewalk pilot project that was approved last year. Um, and then of course, downtown Sam, which we've talked a lot about, um, is going to start construction. And then we're participating in the Lolo street bridge project that the county's managing, but, um, that bridge is going to get replaced next summer. And there's a city component of that, but most of it is grant funded. So a lot of work happening. This is kind of all previously approved projects that we're seeing under construction and moving forward. So that brings me to our new requests for the FY 27 budget. And I put this graph up here, not so that you'll read or be able to see all the individual numbers. Although I think there's some useful info in here. It's sort of a summary of the next slides I'll go through, but just to reiterate that point that, um, within these nine new request projects, there's a lot of different funding sources. So each of the colors on those charts is a different funding source. So you can see all those projects are pulling from a number of different sources to try to get a complete project. Um, again, the other piece on the federal grants, you can see some of the bigger, more expensive projects like Broadway Tool California, um, and South Avenue have a majority federal funding to get those projects done. So we're relying on a lot of federal funds in our current, uh, CIP requests. So you'll see that as I go through these projects. Um, and then again, just another reminder that some of these projects have been going for a while. So you'll see previously approved funding in a number of these that were approved in previous year's budgets. And then we're just filling out either the construction funding or, uh, additional work that's, that's coming on the heels of that, that previous, uh, approvals that we've received. And then diving into it, uh, right into the projects. The first one I'll just mention, um, well, Councillor Campbell to get to your question, uh, Broadway Tool California. This is, uh, we're getting all that federal funding programmed. Um, that's still moving forward anticipating construction, I believe in 2028. Um, the new request includes about 2.9 million in federal congestion mitigation and air quality funding. That was awarded through the MPO. Um, and then there's a, a contribution of about 420,000 in tax increment funding from MRA to do some utility work at the same time we're doing this intersection. So trying to do pair those, those projects and get some efficiency out of it. Um, this project's really going to improve access and safety. Um, if you've ever driven through this intersection on anything other than east-west on Broadway, it's really challenging in terms of the timing for left turns, for pedestrians getting across the street. Um, so whether this ends up being a roundabout or a new roadway, a new signal, um, we're hoping to improve all of those different movements and really help the accessibility for this area and the flow of traffic and the safety of all of those users, whether you're biking, walking, driving. So this is a really good kind of multimodal project that's going to improve Broadway. And I think hopefully supplement a lot of the private development work and other access to businesses around here and then ties into the, the Russell Street project that's also happening that the state's working on. So this is a really good project and we're excited to keep it moving. Uh, another big grant funded project is South Avenue. This is our safe streets and roads for all. This was a federal grant we received back in 2023. Uh, we've been working on the design and engineering are now ready to move that into construction. So we're, the new request is almost 8 million in that SS4A grant money that was awarded. We have all that in place. Um, there are some local match requirements that's coming from, uh, uh, Fort Missoula trail bond. There was some remaining funding that had been left, uh, specifically for roadway improvements. Um, there's 642,000 from the county for their portion of the local match. Uh, and then about 1.8 million from transportation impact fees. This project does sidewalks, curb gutter, turn lanes, uh, whole host of safety improvements from essentially reserve all the way to Clements. And then there's some trail work in the county portion on Clements from south to north streetwise, not direction. Um, and so there's, yeah, a lot of really good improvements here that we think are going to help safety along that corridor and where we're seeing some growth in traffic and, and a lot of issues. So, um, moving a little bit further south now into the Miller Creek area, we have the lower Miller Creek road project. Um, there has, there was previously approved funding here for some design and engineering. Um, the new request is 4.8 million in a combined special improvement district or special impact fee district. Um, want to point out we're requesting the, the budget approval now, but we will be bringing those SIDs, SIFDs back to council in the fall as a package to talk about how that funding works, um, along with our impact fee proposal and how that SID would be formed. So there would be, this isn't necessarily improving, appro ving those SIDs or SIFDs now. This is just approving the budget for that, if that makes sense. Um, and then there's about 374,000 in developer contributions for this project, primarily for the roundabout at the riverfront trails subdivision that was part of that approval. There's a city contribution to that or developer contribution to that. Sorry. Um, shifting north to another one of our, uh, kind of single entry areas. We have, uh, Grant Creek, and there's the project, the Grant Creek Expo Parkway roundabout. Um, I think this is maybe not a new project. We've talked about this along with all the development that 's happening in that area. This is a really important improvement at that intersection to accommodate all the new growth and development and the traffic that's generating and make sure that that's safe and that traffic operations there are working efficiently. Um, this project split between the city and the developer. Um, so there's, uh, about 1.4 million and develop direct developer contribution and then another 1.4 million in impact fees that get us to that total 2.8 million dollar project. And this roundabout again, we'll just smooth traffic through there, allow for the, the traffic to that development area to come in and out and , and operate more efficiently and safely as we start to see that growth really impact Grant Creek Road. Um, moving into some complete street projects. We have river road. Uh, this is reserve to Bondurant. This is paired with, uh, uh, another project that is. Tiff funding, which is doing river road from Russell to Bondurant. So this CIP is just extending that all the way to reserve. So between those two projects, we'll have completed river road. Um, again, with sidewalks, um, intersection improvements, bike lanes, sort of make that a complete street and accommodate all of the infill and the growth that we're seeing there. And knowing that river roads are really challenging neighborhood, there's not a lot of connectivity. And so these, these corridors are really important for people getting in and out. And this, this should really help, um, alleviate some of the pressures that we're seeing from those, those developments in the area. And I think it's really, um, it's been on our priority list for quite a while and, and ranks really high. And so we're excited to get this moving. The new request is just for the preliminary design funding. So it's 250,000 from gas tax and 200,000 from transportation impact fees. And then we would be back, uh, in, in a year or two to, uh, program once we know the full cost or the, we've got that engineering work done. So this is just for that initial phase, but the total project we're estimating to be about 3.4 million, um, when all is said and done. Another good complete street project, and this is a, one of our federally funded projects, uh, California street, again, another area we're seeing a lot of infill and development and growth and pressures. That street is a key connection for people driving, walking , biking, um, getting from that neighborhood out to third, um, and then from there into the rest of the city. So this includes, um, previously approved $500,000, um, in, from previous budgets. And then we have 1.5 million in, uh, federal congestion mitigation air quality grant. Um, and that gets us to a $2 million project that'll complete that, that section from Dakota up to third, uh, the rest of California street from Dakota or from Wyoming North to, uh, River Road, uh, is kind of targeted. That's sort of happening piecemeal with new development, but we do have designs for it. And I think ultimately that'll happen maybe more with tax increment funding or with partnerships with development, but we wanted to get this sec south section done, um, and completed. And we had an opportunity to do that with some MPO funding. And then on the trail side of things, we have the Mullen Flynn trails, again, a federally funded project. We received a tran, the city received a transportation alternatives grant, uh, from the MPO, uh, totaling about $2.7 million for the whole project. Uh, we previously approved 2.3 million. Um, but there were some cost increases related to work that we hadn't anticipated around Hellgate Elementary School on the, the Flynn trail. Um, so the new request is just, uh, an additional 345,000 in TA grant funding and then 53,000 from the Swip to Cane impact fees, uh, for local match to get that project completed. Um, so that's going to both Flynn and Mullen trails. So the Flynn trail I mentioned is under construction. We'll begin working on the Mullen trail, uh, over the next year or two to connect that from Flynn out to reserve. And we have a, an intersection safety improvement project included in our new request. This is at the Burton and Broadway intersection. If you've been out there, we've, it's a pretty, pretty heavily traveled for both bikes and pedestrians and currently just has a crosswalk and a median. There's no signalization there. We've had some, some serious crashes and issues with safety there. And so this would be a hundred thousand dollar, uh, new requests from gas tax to do some kind of quick build, um, safety improvements there, like adding in RFDs or other crossing improvements, and then do the same, um, at tool and Burton to get that sort of whole corridor and neighborhood greenway completed and really make sure that we're, we have a safe crossing for folks that are using that. Finally, so wrap up with, uh, our hazardous sidewalk program. This is an annual, uh, new request that we have for property assessments to do fixing hazardous sidewalks. Um, these are again, places where like the image shows where you have deteriorating sidewalks that pose a safety or an accessibility risk. Um, and those can either be done improved by the property owner or the city can come in and assess that and do it as a package sort of citywide. And so we sort of work our way down locations that we know are hazardous and that we need to improve and, and use this $50,000 to go, go through systematically and start to make those improvements. And then, you know, this is a little bit of an add on, but just looking into the future, as I mentioned, we have a five year capital improvement program that we're looking at, that we use the plan and, and particularly around project prioritization, we have sort of a process to determine kind of what projects are the highest priority for coming up next. Um, so not included in this year's new requests, but that we plan to start working on and developing include Johnson Street. So, uh, going north from Mary to South Avenue. So essentially completing Johnson between South and, um, oh, I guess it's a door lane. Yeah. McDonald. Um, so that, you know, really in the early phases, but we, we think it's really important to have with Midtown Commons coming on and all the growth that's happening in that area, having a complete connection . Um, we have George Elmer drive north completing that Swift to Cane area. That's, um, part of a federal grant that we submitted. We should hopefully hear in the next week or two, uh, whether we were successful. Uh, we have the Kent Central Greenway. That's a really key east-west connection and safe route to school. Um, and then, uh, another project looking at paving on the Grant Creek Trail where we did the realignment work. Um, and that's also part of federal grants. So hopefully that will come back as a grant funded new request. So with all of that, hopefully I got that done in 20 minutes or close, but happy to answer any questions on the transportation CIP projects. All right. Any questions for Aaron on this part? Mr. Campbell, I should just start going to you first question every time, but thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Um, thank you for your clarification on the Johnson street deal. I saw South to Mary Jane Boulevard. I'm liking that's pretty good deal for $5 million to take it over. Jane, but, um, I had a question on the SID for Miller Creek. A lot of anxious folks down there. I know at one point we had a kind of meeting scheduled and it was kind of deferred. Um, there'd be a commitment to again, start some sort of community meeting down there, perhaps at Jeanette Rankin school down there to talk about. Yeah. I think we would continue to have that conversation, especially as we understand what's, what contribution is coming from potential special impact fee districts. And then what that means for, um, the special improvement district as sort of two main funding sources there. I might just add to that, you know, we haven't been able to move along quite as quickly as we had hoped with that project. But one of the things that we did do in the last six months is complete an impact fee study. And so you'll be seeing that, um, later in this budget process in terms of our citywide city, our citywide impact fee, but also they did a study of the Miller Creek area to help us understand how a special impact fee district would work there. So that was an important piece of what we needed. And so then we need to take that back to the public, to the neighborhood, um, later this fall and have that discussion about the, how you balance the special improvement district with the special impact fee district. Thank you. All right. Mr. McCoy. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I was just, um, curious about the Broadway and tool project a little bit more. And I'm trying to remember the last time we talked about this, Aaron, it's probably been a year or two, but, um, I'm curious about how far we are in that design of that project. And, um, I'm really curious about, you know, when you turn off of Broadway on a tool, there's a lot of folks that turn left into that, um, convenience store and gas station. Maybe you remember us talking about this. And when we talked about it in the past, we, you know, like it kind of came about how do we make sure there's access to the gas station. Have you guys had a chance to like look at that further and , you know, cause that left is, it's just dangerous. Um, and so I'm curious, like where you guys have gotten with that. If you've had a chance, I know it's early. Yeah. We haven't had a chance to really further the design or, or look more at that specific movement where the place we're at on that project is we've done the intersection control evaluation to look at the different options and how those work in in terms of an enhanced signal versus around about. Um, and , and so we need to really work with the state. It's their route. And so they have a role in determining sort of what that looks like. Um, so I think once we get through that and we land on, okay, here's the design we're going to move forward with out of the intersection control evaluation, then we can start looking at those specific issues and, and how that design might impact, say that left into the gas station. Okay, great. Totally. That totally makes sense. Appreciate it. All right. Any other questions for Mr. Wilson? All right. That was easy. Thanks. You, you had it much harder last night at the Fairview and Patty Canyon's neighborhood meeting. So. Well, we don't have a CIP for deer yet. So. Hi, I'm Logan McInnes. I'm deputy director for utilities. Oh, there it is. Okay. Kind of like Aaron wanted to touch base, uh, briefly on kind of the ongoing capital projects that we have from prior year funding. And as Aaron said, I'm sure you've all experienced detours and constituent calls about some of these. Um, and we have nine ongoing water main projects that are listed there. Some have been completed, but others are, are still in progress. Um, you know, skate improvements. Water just completed the first two of more than 80, uh, PLC repl acements. That's a, those are programmable logic controllers that are installed at basically every water facility and they're all more or less obsolete. So that's kind of a big thing we're going to be working on in the next few years. Uh, the other one, West End Farms Park test well is something that we're excited to move forward with. There should be a driller out there, uh, next week, drilling a test well to look at suitability for a municipal well, but that test well will be handed over to parks and they'll use it as an irrigation well. Uh, wastewater, as Jeremy mentioned, is just about done with our compost phase two project. Um, which we were having a ribbon cutting a little bit later this summer. And then a couple other, you know, a digester mixing project at the treatment plant. And then a couple of, you know, the Lamoureux Lane and Mal oney Ranch septic tank effluent pump or step system decommissionings, which are, we're very excited to get those projects done. And then moving forward into the FY27 CIP request. My slide's quite a bit simpler than Aaron's. Fortunately, we really only have two colors that you have to figure out what they mean. Or, you know, our two basic funding streams are SRF loans, which are shown in gold, and then, uh, utility enterprise funds in blue. And I guess in stormwater, we're kind of including, uh, grants with that color. So, um , anyways, I don't want to talk about all the projects. We'll get to those in kind of later slides. Um, just kind of big picture, as Jeremy mentioned, all this adds up to about $32 million in utility CIP projects with about 19 million funded by SRF loans and the remainder funded with utility enterprise funds and, and some stormwater grants. So this has kind of been one of our goals is to build a financial capacity to take on a big chunk of our CIP needs with sort of, uh, utility generated cash. So we're, we're making great progress in that regard. And then moving on to more specific projects, uh, the water main replacement projects we're asking for, for FY27, there's a total of 10 water main projects, you know, that we'll be constructing next summer, um, for just under $10 million and replacing approximately 2.9 miles of of water mains. And again, a little over half of that is, is using enterprise fund cash and then about 4.6 million in new SRF loans we will be requesting. Some water production facilities, you know, the picture on the right is, is one that's just got done kind of this week. It's a new Dixon well house. Um, you know, we're really excited. We've, we've got a lot of old facilities and we're excited to, that we're kind of starting to knock them off and, you know, rehab or, or replace some of these buildings. Um, so the total request here is about $3.1 million for, you know, the water pump and building improvements. Some more of those PLC replacements that I've, I've talked about, you know, we're kind of trying to get those all done in the next few years. Um, you know, we've got ongoing water meter repl acements, you know, we've, we're down to about 2,800 water meters that need to be replaced out of 24 ,000. So we've made really good progress on those and we keep chipping away, but we're, we're kind of getting down to the ones that are hard to get permission to get in people's houses. Like Jeremy was saying, it's, we spend a lot of effort trying to do that. So the more that are in meter pits, it makes this kind of job much easier. And then the last thing is, is a environmental study on the rattlesnake lakes. So this is following on our successful decommissioning at McKinley Lake in 2024. So we're looking at, oops, batching up five more decommissioning projects and taking them through the environmental review process with this item. I'm moving on to projects out at the wastewater treatment plant. And we've got kind of like water, we've just got a lot of aging equipment and, you know, between our, our facilities plans that were recently completed, and we'll be bringing those to you kind of next month. You know, they've identified a lot of projects, our plant staff keep a pretty detailed list of sort of needed equipment replacements. So that's, that's a big chunk of what we want to do. We've got a project at the primary effluent lift station and grit odor control and structural repairs that are needed as a result of, of some corrosion issues that we've discovered. Now we also want to replace our main aeration blower out at the wastewater plant and tie that in with some a eration system piping valves and a wear replacement that will all be significant energy efficiency projects. Also out at wastewater, we've got a lot of PLCs. We've made really good progress, but we have several more that we need to to replace. So those, those are an important project. The next item is third party total maximum daily load study . Sorry, that probably is very confusing. Maybe most of you are familiar with the VNRP that set our nutrient discharge limits back in the 90s. And we've been able to sort of maintain our permit based on that. But the state's now telling us that time is up and that we need to reevaluate the, you know, the nutrients that the river can handle without growing too much algae. So that's a study that we want to take the lead on rather than having the state just hand us a study. So, you know, we have a meeting with them next week. It's, it's kind of moving forward. Lastly, our poplar farm and the poplars and the irrigation system have all reached a point where they need to be replaced or removed. Um, and so, you know, the poplars are dying in mass. So, you know, we had some funding approved last year that we're still holding on and there's some additional funding we're requesting for this year to basically harvest the poplars and prepare the site for another crop such as alfalfa or something like that. So we don't necessarily have that plan, but we really need to take on these, the removal of these pop lar trees. So in total, these projects add up to about $5.9 million. And again, about three and a half million is utilizing enterprise funds or development funds. You know, wastewater collections improvements. You've seen the picture on the right more times than you care to remember. This is our Clark For k sewer crossing project. Um, got some issues out there. It's a very high priority to develop a replacement for that pipe. So this is kind of our highest priority project from our wastewater collection standpoint. As Jeremy mentioned, we've also really haven't done sewer main replacements in many years. So this is a, also a big priority for us to kind of stand up a sewer main rehab program. We've got an FTE request. Those projects take a lot of engineering time. And then we've got some funds, uh, requested for, for next year to kick off kind of the first of those projects. Another project is the South Point step decomm issioning similar to the two that we're doing this year. Those are very expensive to maintain. And so that one is another priority project. Then we've just got miscellaneous collections improvements. You know, we're replacing lift station pumps and, you know, telemetry and things like that. We just have a lot of those and a lot of equipment fails. So in total, this is an 11.9 million dollar request. And most of this will be an SRF loan and then kind of a hundred thousand in enterprise funds to pay for those miscellaneous collections improvements. And then on the stormwater projects, as Jeremy's mentioned, they're amazing at getting grants. So these are largely grant funded projects. The library living roof was a million dollar grant that stormwater helped the library obtain. We're working with the county on the development park, you know, condition assessment and improvements to the stormwater facilities out at the development park before we take those over. And finally, a project at Cutthroat Corner, which is largely grant funded, and a little bit of enterprise funds for a match there. So in total, 1.4 million in stormwater improvements. And that's all I have for utilities. Any questions? Mr. Campbell, you good? Actually, I do have one. All right. Me too. Find the... I'll put you on the spot. All right. Does anybody have any questions? Utilities. I was going to ask you about painting the river bed to prevent the algae, but that's not a good joke. Might make it worse. Might make it worse. All right. Mr. Campbell, you found your question. Thank you. I'm just curious. We see a number of step decomm issioning projects. Looks like there's another one on tap. Are you looking like city-wide to dec ommission step systems? What's... I happen to be on one. That's why I 'm asking. Yeah. These are community step, right? Like we've got, you know, 1600, you know, individual step systems. And then these are, you know, there's just a handful of these. There's the two that we're doing this year. There's a South Point. There's a couple in the Pleasant View neighborhood. I don't know how many more there are. So these are definitely the highest priority community tanks. They're... They collect a lot of... I mean, we have to pump them out all the time. They're very expensive to maintain. So, yeah, we're excited to get rid of them. You know, we'd love to help customers get rid of their, but I think we're probably stuck with those for a very long time unless we're... want to spend money on a lot of new gravity mains. So... Thank you. All right. Looks like that is the last question. Right now, this is the end of the Public Works presentation. Correct? All right. Is there anything we want to circle back to while we have these folks in the room? I actually have two. And I think the first one might be for Mr. Wilson, but Jeremy, you might be able to answer it too. Councilwoman Jones is at the League of Cities and Towns Board meeting, but I know she would want to publicly ask about an update to the sidewalk alternative, the sidewalk materials alternative test project that I saw it referenced on one of the slides. But I was curious if you could maybe just give a little update on on that because sidewalk costs are obviously a thing that we talked about. Yeah. Thanks. So we do have that project in the works. It was approved in last year's budget and we have done all the engineering and written the specs for it. And what we've decided to do is do these test sections as part of our water building remodel. So we have some sidewalk that's going to happen on Cedar Street and Hillsdale. And so we'll do several 15 foot long sections of these different materials to test them out. And that gives us kind of a firsthand view of how they're working and we get to maintain them. So we'll be able to get a good assessment of what, how well they do. Thank you. And then my other question is just, I know we were at the high level on kind of big projects, but how much of the budget this year is available for, um, I'm going to get the name wrong. I like to call them the flashy blinkies, but the rapid, uh, rapid flashing beacons. Um, cause I know, uh, some of my constituents ask questions about an intersection and it sounds like it's on the list, but it might not be this year because there might be a couple of projects ahead. And those often seem like a common fix to questions we get from, uh, neighborhoods. So I'm curious, like how many of those can we fund at this year's budget? Yeah, thanks. Um, I think I, I include those in our overall budget for quick build. So the quick build budget includes the, the rapid flashing beacons. It also includes delineators and the temporary traffic circles and all that stuff. We're, we're budgeting about $50,000 a year to do that work. And, um, the primary constraint is more, uh, people power than it is the material costs. So there's just, there's, there's engineering work up front to understand what's going on and do the analysis. And there's some design and there's public outreach. Then we install that stuff. So we didn't ask for more funding because it's really just a capacity issue of being able to have folks to go out there and do that. And currently we're, we're down three staff people in engineering. So that's really our constraint. Um, so it doesn't even do us any good right now to add another FTE. We really just need to get fully staffed and then we'll have some capacity to get those projects. Thanks. I didn't realize that rapid flashing beacons were part. I only thought of those as the traffic circles. Yeah. So I didn't answer your question. Um, so I think what that budget allows us to do is one or two of those crossings each year. All right. Any other questions? Ms. Basera? Um, not a question, but a request for Logan that as we, um, learn a little bit more about the poplar farm and what the next steps are. Maybe we can get an update on, um, where we are with that and what different crops we're exploring and who we're working with to make sure that we select the right crop for that intended purpose. Sure. We'll be happy to come back. I mean, that's probably a, you know, maybe a next year project. Right now we're just looking at the removals. So, but we'll definitely keep you updated. Thank you. Uh, Michelle. Yeah, thanks. I, I don't have any questions, but, um, because as I said last night, I'm trying to take care of my mother while I'm watching these presentations. I missed a few slides and I noticed, um, that parks and, um, uh, public works, the presentations aren't attached to the agenda. So I'm hoping we can get those for us to reveal . Yep. Um, would you make sure that someone gets this to staff to attach the agenda? And we mentioned it to parks on the way out. We just weren't on the record. Yeah. Thank you. Um, our slides. Yeah, we have submitted them. They should be attached later today to the agenda. So , and, and they'll also Jeremy, they will get them on the website as well as the agenda. Uh, and with the budget website. Yeah. Thanks. Um, so yeah, if there's anything that, um, you'd like us to circle back to, please, you know, feel free to reach out. We're happy to answer further questions. All right. Uh, Mr. McCoy. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just had a request when you guys, um, do those, uh, different materials of sidewalks, maybe just a quick email on locations, um, give us the opportunity to go out and check them out. Yeah. Thanks. I want to do some signing with those. It explains what they are, what we're doing there. So yeah, for a little field trip. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Field trip would be even better. Um, but if that's not possible, just locations and I'll, I'll go check them out. All right. Sounds good. Anything else from council? You know, parks and public works were both very efficient with their time. It's like we are now going to have the longest lunch we've had in like two months. So, um, we will be in recess until one 15. Thank you so much for everybody taking the time to come in and walk through your budget requests with us. We appreciate it . Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So, all of the detailed budget materials are available online attached to the agenda for the board meeting tomorrow. If you want to dig into any of the specific projects. The, if we could share the screen. partnerships to create new structures, jobs, economic development opportunities, and then the increment that is generated by those sorts of partnerships is then available to be invested in purely public improvements like parks, trails, sidewalks , improved utilities, and those sorts of things. But without that, that public-private partnership and the private investment in the urban renewal districts, we would not have the ability to do a lot of the work that we do that really benefits the community as a whole. Our staff consists of seven members. I think council has interacted with most, if not all, of folks on the MRA staff, but here's a list of who we employ at this current time. We have six urban renewal districts. The first one is the urban renewal district two. It will sunset soon, but it's basically the Broadway Russell Street corridor, and we'll go into more detail as I go through the different districts. The next district is urban renewal district three, which is the Brooks corridor or Midtown. District three is a district that we went back into the downtown area after the original downtown urban renewal district, District 1 sunsetted in 2005. We went back in and created a new district, the Front Street district, because there were areas of that part of downtown that really had not benefited from the investment of TIF funding during the life of District 1. District four is the riverfront triangle district, similar story to Front Street, although more extreme because there 'd been basically no investment in that district while it was in urban renewal district 1. And then we created North Reserve Scott Street, which is a very, very large district in the north part of the city that has a lot of underutilized or not utilized at all land . A lot of it's in the county, part of it's in the city. It's really a very, very opportunistic district that we are starting to see investment in, and we'll talk about that a bit later. And then last and least is the Hellgate district that we created when the decision was made to build Missoula College out on East Broadway. East Broadway was not and continues to not be the most dramatic gateway into downtown and into Missoula. We felt like Missoula College would probably generate some interest and investment in that area that has not come to fruition, and very little has happened in that district since its creation. So we'll start with District 2, and what we're going to do is we're going to look at kind of what are the revenues, what are the uncommitted funds, and what are some of the key projects that we're looking at in these districts. District 2 started out, an awful lot of the investment in that district when it was created was in kind of nonprofit social services type facilities, Western Montana Mental Health, some of the housing that was for folks with disabilities, housing that was permanently income qualified , like some of the work that Homeward did in that district. District 2 started out, and these were not projects that generated increment, but they certainly improved the lives of Missoulians in that area. Since then, we've seen that district really turn around, and we now have revenue of about $5.6 million after debt service, which is significant in terms of being able to invest in any number of things in that district. Some of the priority projects are the West Broadway River corridor project. We have funded all of the engineering that's gone into that to date to position it to begin to get capital funds, and we anticipate putting a significant amount of the remaining capacity of district 2 into trying to bring that project to fruition. It'll be the single largest investment in our riverfront since the levees were built quite a few decades ago. Also positioning the baseball stadium, Ogun Park at Alleg iance Field to be in as good a shape as it can be when the district sunsets in 2031, so that we can continue to have semi-pro baseball in the city. We own that facility, we lease it, and it's our obligation as a city to maintain it. The other is that we embarked during the recession on a commitment to build out the sidewalk system in this district, which is pretty near complete now. We have a few more segments that we still need to do. And then several years after that, thinking about what can we do to really position Urban Renewal District 2 to continue to attract private investment and leave the district in pretty good shape without having TIF funds available and determine that the main thing we could do is to build out the water network in that area. So that you could actually build density and get development and fire protection and those sorts of things in areas that don't currently have that. And a lot of that is west of Russell Street. The other investment that we're looking at is in the new Public Works and Mobility Office facilities. They'll be asking for some assistance from MRA to help with that facility. District 3 is our really healthy district. When I got here in 2004, I think the revenue in that district was, it was four years old and the revenue was about $300,000 a year. Our annual revenue now after debt service is just over $8 million. There have been a lot of good investments made along the Brooks Corridor and other areas of URD3. And this year we're going into FY27 with just over $6 million in uncommitted funds. That district has a sunset date of 2040. So we're starting to look at what are the priorities that we can accomplish between now and then. Some of our biggest projects, obviously, you're aware of because they've been in front of you very recently, are Franklin Crossing, Midtown Commons. The Transform Brooks Connect Midtown project of trying to create a street in Brooks that is not a barrier street, which it currently is today. That's currently on hold, waiting to see what's going to happen on the federal level in terms of funding. Because that's going to require some significant federal funding if we're going to do what we are hoping to accomplish out there. We made a commitment during the recession to do all of the sidewalks that we had adequate right away or could get eas ements for in the district. We have completed that in Midtown, with the exception of some along Brooks that are waiting to see what's going to happen with that corridor project. And we are actively partnering with Public Works Mobility to complete all of the water main systems that are inadequate there today. We're also constantly looking, especially in that district, there are a lot of opportunities for housing and some of the other amenities that need to go along with that. So property acquisition opportunities are always kind of on our radar screen as we move toward 2040 when the district will end. Front Street, as I mentioned earlier, was carved out of what was originally Urban Renewal District 1. It was created in 2007 without any investment or issuance of debt would have sunsetted in 2022. We obviously have issued a fair amount of debt there. And the Front Street District is really coming into its own now because of the investment, especially on Front Street, of things like First Interstate Bank, the Merck, the AC Hotel, Rome Student Housing. All of these were catalyzed by the creation of Park Place parking structure, I think it's fair to say. And we now are in a position where we've got uncommitted funds of almost $5 million. A lot of that will be, or some of that, if council concurs and the MRA board concurs, will be invested in the downtown SAM project. We have one chance to do that right, and we have a district that has the capacity to make that a reality. We're also now seeing investment in the area down around La Vassar Street and Kiwanis Park, which was one of the really blighted portions of this district when we created Front Street. And we're now seeing housing being built in that area, and I think we'll see that continue. The other big project is, of course, the formal library block, redevelopment of that. Riverfront Triangle. I think we're all pretty familiar with what's going on there. The annual revenue is just over half a million dollars. We've built up to 1.9 in uncommitted funds. This will be invested back in infrastructure that will support the new hotel that we have just recently sold the city property for. It is investing also in downtown SAM, but to a much lesser degree because we have some significant infrastructure expenditures ahead of us to see that Riverfront Triangle district develop in full. So we're focusing now on kind of encouraging redevelopment or sale of or changeover of ownership on that property that 's west of Orange Street between Broadway and the river. North Reserve Scott Street Urban Renewal District was created in 2014. If there's no additional debt issued in that area, and we know there will be, it would sunset in 2045. But any debt that's issued between now and 2029, which is year 15 of that district, will extend the district beyond the 2045 sunset date that we're seeing. Of course, the major projects there are our homes. We're going to get a new park around the cemetery at the end of Scott Street. And we are actively involved in the 2006 Reserve to Scott master planning process, which will dictate the zoning and the land use classifications that will take place on the properties that are not in the city currently that are being annexed. That would, the majority of which is the Roseburg property. So those funds, the main focus of all of those funds will be facilitation of getting infrastructure in place to support redevelopment. And last is the Hell Great District. As I mentioned earlier, it has really not lived up to the expectations that we thought it might when Missoula College was built out there. It will sunset in 2030 unless there is a reason to issue debt as a result of a significant new public-private partnership. June 30, 2030 is final date. We've got about 800,000 in uncommitted funds in that district. And then finally, just some of our priority projects overall, and you're aware of all of them, are Franklin Crossing, Midtown Commons, Reserve to Scott Street Master Plan, which we just talked about, Riverfront Hotel at Fox Site, which we just talked about, the West Broadway River Corridor Plan, Ogram Park, which is at Allegiance Field, which is the baseball stadium, and then always opportunistic property purchase for primarily housing and parks to support higher density housing. I think with that, I'm happy to try to answer any questions you might have with respect to details or specifics in these districts or overall broad general questions. Thank you so much, Ellen. Do we have questions from Council? Thank you. Thank you. Really? Okay. 15 minutes, just saying. That was pretty impressive. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thanks. Just keep approving the projects. So next we have Municipal Court at 145. Since it's noticed at 145, do we need to wait until 145? Okay. Sure. Go ahead and step right up, and we will do Municipal Court next. Just a reminder, these are information-only presentations, and so, therefore, that's why we're not taking public comment. Though, if there's anyone in the room that would like to comment, happy to hear you online. I don't see anyone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Good afternoon. My name is Carrie Dady. I'm here on behalf of Missoula Municipal Court. I'm the court administrator. I wanted to share with you judicial branch goals and objectives. This quote is taken directly from the Montana Supreme Court , the court's website. Our goals don't change year to year. We are committed to providing equal access to justice, justice without reasonable, unreasonable delay, the preservation of judicial independence, providing excellence in service, and increasing the public's trust and confidence in all Montana courts. Just a quick walk through some of our accomplishments. This year, we have implemented a fast track scheduling order for partner family member assault cases. We have aligned the scheduling order that we use with the one that Judge Beal uses out of Missoula County Justice Court. He is operating that DV court. What this means in practical terms is that everything is expedited. So the timeframes when attorneys need to exchange discovery , the timeframes in which they need to have conversations about possible plea agreements or other dispositions of the case. And a trial date is set initially. We're not waiting for those communications to happen. Continuances in these types of cases are not routinely granted. The judges are looking for additional information. And there are times when witness unavailability, these things come up, but really not wanting to grant continu ances routinely. We implemented this last summer. And initially, you know, there were some wonderings. Can we change our practice to go along with this schedule? And we've seen attorneys, both the city attorneys and public defenders, really come alongside each other. These cases are now resolved routinely in about three or four months. And so that timeframe is from citation filed by the police to final disposition of the case. Another accomplishment this year, since we've chatted last about our budget, the failure to appear rate in municipal court is still around 7%, way lower than national average. And one other pivot that we made this year with Johnson Street closing. So we've seen a single location where we held court once a month. We've transitioned to a new model called community court twice a month. So now we are in three locations. Pavarello Center, the library and watershed navigation center, holding courts. We've also increased the frequency of that docket. So it's the second and last Friday. We have city attorneys participating in that on those. And so, for example, that the library just last month, and there was someone who had outstanding warrants from 2017. And it was littering and two other minor nonviolent charges . This person was at the library. Library staff were able to say, this gentleman is here. I was able to walk my laptop upstairs to where he was at on the third floor. The Office of Public Defense is joining on Zoom. The city attorney is joining on Zoom. And then the judge and the law clerks are back at the court . The city attorney extended an offer to dismiss two of the charges and plead one down. That was accepted. And the case was disposed of right there. So warrants quash, case disposed of. It's really made great leaps and bounds in terms of access to justice and reaching out to the community if we can't get them to come into court. The staff would also want me to tell you that we were also the winners of the commuter challenge for medium sized businesses in Montana. We all biked and bused and rode. And I think there was even a bike train. But it didn't come through my neighborhood. Lastly, just wanted to highlight this year in April of this year, the Urban Institute, along with CUNY Institute for State and Local Government, funded by the Safety and Justice Challenge through the MacArthur Foundation, did issue a research report on the pretrial practices happening in municipal court. It's a 46 page report. They have the data they use, the methodology. It's nationally circulated and published by independent authors. We will put this on our website later this afternoon. But one of the quotes. And I know this is something all of you think about when we have many programs in the city. What is the coordination like between different programs? Are we overlapping or are we doing a great job with hand offs? And this is a direct quote from the report. The PASS program has helped build relationships, prove communication and reduce duplication of efforts among agencies serving similar populations. And a lot of our work with PASS in particular, we have unh oused folks that are in that program. At a system level, stakeholders felt that the PASS program has helped to reduce reliance on jail for pretrial and served as a proof of concept for less punitive approaches that prioritize supportive services. If you haven't had a chance to look at the data, the findings and the conclusions in that report, would recommend that. Court operations at a glance. We have 25 full time employees on staff. That includes three elected judges. We have three courtrooms and each courtroom is in operation every day. We are the second busiest municipal court in Montana behind Billings. And just a snapshot of where we've been. Last year, our budget was 1.2% of the total city budget. This is the first time that the municipal court has stepped forward in the term that the current elected judges took the bench in January of 2021. We haven't presented a new budget request in those five years. We've really used existing resources and repurposed things. But we are now at a place where we are having issues with hardware, our AV recording software, and our other requests that I'll mention today deals with interpretation and translation services for people at the court. Our last request to the council for courtroom technology upgrades was in 2017. And I will tell you some of our licensing is still from 2017. And that's what we are working on to remedy right now. This photo, this is parody. This is parody. This is not our courtroom. But this gives you a little glimpse of what the core issues are. In our courtrooms, the audio visual recording software has its own computer. It is stored locally on city servers under lots of security . But we have equipment from the 90s, the early 2000s, and the 15s, all plugged into a Windows 11 computer with a brand new battery. But what we are experiencing is all of these dated technologies are not playing well together. And in terms of usage of our AV equipment, the courts each average about five hours a day in courtrooms. And if we calculate that by the number of work days in a year, the AV equipment is getting for each courtroom around 10,000 hours of use every year. When the equipment that we currently have was purchased, that was in 2017. And at that time, IT was not involved in technology purposes. Departments were going, finding equipment they wanted, purchasing it. There was a support contract that went along with this equipment that has expired. It was also a remote service contract, which was not helpful to our city IT people. We have great IT team. But when I talked with them, they said, "Our main wheel house is not AV equipment. You know, our main wheelhouse is OneDrive and SharePoint and emails and that." So they did not have the internal expertise to try and help us. They have gone to extraordinary lengths to try and help us figure out why we're having some of the problems we're having. And yet they still got to a point where they said, "We don 't know." The next step that we took was contacting a local company, Silver Stream AV. They did help with upgrades to city council chambers this year. They came, walked through our courtrooms, looked at all of the different technologies plugged into one computer. We played them the sound that we were having a problem with . We're having a static-y fax kind of sound overlay over our audio recordings. That's been a real problem. And they helped us narrow down the reasons that could be. The biggest reason behind this ask is the equipment is not going to fail. It's currently failing. We have to keep by statute an audio recording of all court proceedings that is used for appeal when appeals go to the district court. Our courts are such high volume also. The judge clerks are entering minutes. The judges are working on orders while they're on the bench . And so part of our updating process is to go back and listen to the court record to make sure our minutes match the order and everything is accurate. We discovered this spring and we did upgrade to Windows 11 this fall. Whether it's correlation or causation, nobody can say. But we started having regular problems. We could not tell, we still can't that we're having an audio problem during court. All of our equipment, all of the sound levels look fine to us. We figured out the problem. There are some hearings where there are staff also remotely listening in. And we found this little gem of a sound intermittently interrupting court hearings. You're listening remotely. Please turn down your sound. This isn't good. But I just want you to understand what we're dealing with. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. Oh, my computer sound is turned down. 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As we began to pull audio record requests from kind of this era, we would intermittently find these issues corrupting the audio files. We've worked with I.T. We've done all kinds of maneuvers around that. And then Silverstream came in and said old technology trying to mix with new technology. The patch as you go, just replace one device while having another legacy device installed is likely the culprit. It was what they found the culprit to be with city council chambers. And so their recommendation is is a replacement of the AV equipment in each of the three courtrooms. And so when I initially presented this and we were doing our budget worksheets, I thought this would be a new budget request. We did get the final quote from Silverstream last week. Last week, they weren't able. They had prior commitments and weren't able to come out, do an investigation, listen to the sound, do troubleshooting. And so we got that late last week. In speaking with finance, they said this is actually instead of a new request, this will be better routed through the CIP request. And so the request is to modernize our technology. We will be able to add these purchases to the large purchase that finance does for other equipment. We will be able to use the capital lease structure. So it will not have the immediate. We need $99,000 today in order to move forward with this purchase. We will be able to spread it out. The the debt expense over the next four years. There was one other small ongoing request on that initial court hardware request, and that was for a support contract with reserve funds we've had in this fiscal year. We were also able to upgrade the software program that we use for court reporting software. The license we had was the perpetual license purchased in 2017. And that license was no longer that product was no longer compatible with Windows 11. I talked to the judge in Bozeman municipal court, Belgrade municipal court and Missoula justice court. And they were also using the software that we had been using. It was legacy software called for the record and had switched to another program called Liberty reporting and their overall problems dramatically decreased. All three courts were really happy with the move. So we did have funds to purchase that software. The ongoing $2,125 is ongoing support and it includes any upgrade update they make to that software gets pushed out to all users. So we're not buying version 2017 or version 26. The second request that we have is for language access services. The number of people requesting interpretation services, either at the clerk counter when they're coming and they've received a citation, they've received something, trying to communicate with the clerks on what docket do they need to be on or what does this document mean. And then when people are in court, interpretation services there. The most frequent language requests we are getting are Spanish, Arabic, Swahili, Dari and Farsi. We do use a hybrid program where we're able to call into a language service and immediately get someone on the line for translation services. If it is a hearing or if it is somebody at the counter with trials, we are not able to have somebody join by Zoom or by phone. That's an in person request. That's an in person request. We had a July 2nd trial. It was just vacated earlier this week, but required a Spanish interpreter. And the one day quote from Montana language services was $5 ,000. I did talk with Jessie Beresh at Justice Court. And these are tricky. She's also seen more and more requests for interpretation. And if it is a one day trial or possibly, I think hers was a two day trial, she did have to go back and ask for a budget amendment. So, between the courts, the district court, Justice Court and I, anything that has been translated, we are sharing amongst ourselves. Montana courts don't have a repository of just standard forms that have been translated. That's on every court to handle themselves. So, just wrapping up why these requests matter, looking at our hardware and getting the software and updated modern hardware that will work with Windows 11 allows us to protect the integrity of the official court record. Many things rely on that. Linguish access, it's a requirement. It ensures constitutional compliance and equal access to justice for everyone in our community. And then again, working with finance, we understand these are tax dollars and we take that charge to steward them well, very seriously. So, working to minimize new requests or like the CIP route for the hardware, formulate them in a way that isn't such a large shock. To a one year budget. Any questions about these requests? All right. Do we have questions from Council? Ms. Jordan. Not a question. I just wanted to say well done on a 7% FTA rate. That's incredible. Thanks. It's good for the community. Good for everybody. Mr. Campbell. Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess let's start with the FTA rate of 7%. Is that just due to the fact that your court doesn't issue many modified arrest warrants if need be that we're still using the fake warrant system of administrative warrant? Mr. Campbell. I'm here today to present on the budget that was on the agenda discussing your request. The court, the judges are happy at any time to sit down with you face to face over a cup of coffee and talk about some of these concerns, questions with the process. They are available for that, but I'm not, I didn't bring a data collection for us to go through today. Nor was it on the agenda that we would be talking through court process. So we're available to meet as early as next week. 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But I do think there is an interest in a public meeting so that people can ask questions on the record like Mr. Campbell's doing today. And I don't know if that's something we need to bring as a referral, set it up later, or something like that. We could also, in the meantime, have you answer this publicly through email, through all of our -- you know, we have an all-council email that is a part of the public record. And maybe, Mr. Campbell, if you have questions that you want to submit that we could all be a part of, I think that might be a way to handle this today. Because I don't think Ms. Didi is prepared. But I also totally respect and understand your interest in the information and having it in a public setting. How does that sound to everybody? That's amenable to us. My ask is that any data that you are relying on to get to your conclusions, that we would share that in fairness and transparency. We would get all of that on the data, or on the table. 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So we would welcome that in upcoming days. I will not step on my glasses. Ms. Jordan. Thank you. I got booted out of the meeting. I couldn't get my hand up. Yeah, I think just kind of what you just said is kind of where my question was going to go. If we could have all the players present at the same time would be really helpful because I think that's what Mr. Campbell's getting at as we're asking questions that perhaps you don't have access to related to the city attorney's office. And just a quick comment. I really wish we put as much scrutiny into the MRA that we put into municipal court. Thank you. Are there any other questions for Ms. Dady today? All right. I don't see any in person and I'm not seeing any hands up online. Okay. Why don't me and Mr. Nugent follow up with you and so that we can have another meeting to get some of these things on the public record. That sounds great. And we're happy to do that quickly. I know this is budget season. So we can initiate that, get it on the calendar. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Next up we have Missoula Public Health. If you guys are ready, can move forward. I'm seeing it on my screen. We probably all are. It might be a delay to get it actually on the big screen. There it is. Do I have to move this or is that picking me up? Okay. Move it up a little. There we go. There we go. Okay. Move this into presentation mode and we'll get going. Okay. Thank you for the opportunity to present today. I'm Gina Miller. I'm the chief health officer for Missoula Public Health, which is the city county health department. Today I have two other people from Missoula Public Health with me. I have Shannon Terrio, who is our environmental health director and you can recognize her because we dressed the same today, which was convenient. And then Megan Gillespie, who is the health department's business manager. Oh, okay. Just stand close to this. Yep. Good. Okay. I will start maybe by acknowledging that the health department is in front of council in a formal way. Very often. We have a council member on our health board. Of course, right now that's Amber, Amber Cheryl. And for the period of time before that is Councillor Nugent . So what I don't have time to do today is go through a pretty broad overview of Missoula Public Health and the mission and the various services that we provide or even our whole organizational structure. But I welcome those opportunities. And I have had conversations to that effect with Councillor Nugent and with Councillor Cheryl. Always looking for an opportunity to talk about the work that we're doing. We're pretty proud of it. And that can look like a lot of things. That can be a one on one or maybe a committee meeting. So if there's any interest about a specific program or initiative or, you know, something that's going on in our communities. That is public health related, which almost everything is public health related. Please reach out because we're happy to get together and connect on those things. My screen. Okay. So I'll start with a budget overview first by acknowledging that the total Missoula Public Health budget is actually made up of five individual funds. And today I will really be focusing on two of those funds. And that is because the other three don't include general fund tax from the city or dedicated mail from the county. So the funds that we will really cover with specificity today are the health fund and the animal services fund. And the new request that I will make today is actually not representative of an increase in FTE or operations or capital. It really is. It represents 60% of our personnel and operations that is not covered by grants or service fees or other revenue and is above based on things like inflation or wage increases above what was in the base budget last year for these two funds. And before I move on, I think I've probably said this in a number of spaces, but the health department is funded through an interlocal agreement with the local local governing body, this council and then the county commission ers. We also have a health board that has specific authority to review and approve our budget before we present it to the local governing body. So, all right, so I'll start talking specifically about the health fund. It's by far our largest fund. It's the majority of our personnel and services with almost 80 employees full time employees. And it is supported by a number of different revenue streams, including city and county taxes and non tax revenue like fees and a number of grants. And as far as revenue highlights in FY 26 or that we anticipate in FY 27. We have our licensed establishment team. That's our team of sanitarians that do plan reviews and complaint investigation and regular inspection of a number of regulated businesses like restaurants, swimming pools, public accommodations, that kind of thing, body art facilities. And that revenue is up significantly. And that revenue is up significantly. And that is due in large part to legislative advocacy through our statewide public health alliance. So, I just have to call out Shannon's amazing Herculean effort in that space to raise license fees on a state level to increase revenue to our program so that we can improve services in that regard. So, we also secured MOAT, the Montana Opioid Advisory Abat ement. And that's not the Montana Opioid Abatement Trust funding for two of our programs, one of which is not in the health fund, but the one in the health fund is the foster child health program. And that MOAT funding, we are very grateful, is for two years. That's a program where we were constantly, every budget cycle, looking for a grant or community assistance funds to keep that employee in that position. Providing really critical services as sort of a liaison from the child's primary care provider and the CPS worker to ensure that communication was flowing smoothly and that all of those preventative care markers were being met for our kids in the foster child system. So, on the opposite side, we had a long-standing agreement with St. Patrick Hospital that supported a half-time employee and that's ending in August. Serendipitously, we had another prevention program that we used to sort of subcontract or pass through to Partnership Health Center for Cancer Screening become available and we 'll be able to transfer that funds back to that employee. So, we were able to replace that fairly recently. And then I just acknowledge that I'm sure for all the departments and public health is no exception. So, we're also seeing a lot of the same. We're also seeing a lot of sort of dynamics in our revenue streams beyond grants. And so, we are kind of have a concerted effort going on across the department to identify revenue streams, specifically fees and services that are diminishing or stagnating and then put in sort of specific plans to address that. So, that might include if we see the numbers in our immun ization clinic declining, we have looked at strategic marketing campaigns or identifying off-site clinics that might help turn that trend around. So, we also are looking at a reasonable fee increases. We also are looking at fee increases. A number of our fees, like I'm sure is true across many local government agencies, are not often increased. So, looking at a reasonable fee increase, it's reflective of sort of today's costs. So, we're looking at a reasonable fee increase in our revenue revenue. So, we're looking at a reasonable fee increase in our revenue revenue. So, we're looking at a reasonable fee increase in our revenue revenue. So, we're looking at a reasonable fee increase in our revenue revenue. So, we're looking at a reasonable fee increase in our revenue revenue. So, we're looking at a reasonable fee increase in our revenue revenue. So, we're looking at a reasonable fee increase in our revenue revenue. So, this graph shows basically the tax and non-tax revenue breakdown for the total revenue, which is about $9.5 million in the health fund. 29% is from county taxes and 35% from city tax. That's because the interlocal agreement calls for 60% city, 40% county cost share. And then our non-tax revenue is approximately another third of that. Because I don't have time right now to talk to you about our different divisions, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this slide. But we have four distinct divisions in the health department. And I broke it down by tax and non-tax revenue by division. Not that they're apples to apples in terms of services or number of employees. I just thought it was kind of interesting to look at what divisions we're bringing in and kind of comparing that to the need, tax revenue or the need by division. And then some expense highlights, if we call them highlights, in the health fund. Our personnel increased overall 7.7%. The majority of our employees are in MFPE unions and those negotiated wage increases were 5%. But that overall increase is higher for a couple of reasons . Maybe some of you remember I was here last year with a new FTE request for our MPH business manager position. That is a new position. We are so grateful that it was approved by the health board , the county and the city. We are so grateful that we have. We have noticed ever increasing fringe rates. It's true that nobody's health insurance costs are going down right now. And we also have some negotiated pay provisions in the union contracts that cover the majority of our employees, specifically for certification pay and education pay. And it just looks like our folks are going out and earning certificates and master's degrees and PhDs at a rate that's contributing to an overall higher personnel increase. And then the middle column, overall operation spending is down by 6%. I think operations in truth is about stagnant. And the state health department, it looks to be down by 6% in our sheets because we had an influx of revenue from the state health department to acknowledge the efforts, acknowledge and reimburse a lot of the efforts and deliver ables that were assigned to the health department for the COVID pandemic response. We have some carryover money left this year, but in previous fiscal years we were spending over a million dollars of that, the state monies that were coming to the health department. And that is why it looks a little bit artificially down. And then again, vaccine prices continue to increase. Last year, last fiscal year, we projected about $100,000. That's in our kind of two clinics. It's one site, but it's two distinct clinic practices. Our outpatient clinic provides all routine vaccines to anyone, regardless of ability to pay. And our travel clinic that is specific to international travel and having consultations with folks going to specific areas of the globe and ensuring they're protected, both while they're there and that the community that they 're coming back to is protected. We were low in our projection last year. So this year we are estimating maybe another $75,000 increase. We have a detailed breakdown. I should have changed the slide. You'll see that last sentence there says there's a detailed report of vaccine costs per dose included in your board packet. But there's not because you're not the health board. I should have taken that out. And just another note on vaccines. We're doing the best we can to predict both what our costs and our revenues, those fees for service, will be in our clinic. But the vaccine landscape is very unstable right now. There's just a lot of things going on that are impacting everything from the cost of vaccines to the clarity amongst , you know, parents who are looking to get their kids vaccinated or considering that. And even providers as far as what vaccines are approved, you know, or what's indicated for certain products. We have some expense breakdowns here for FY27 in our health fund. You can see by far our largest expense is our people. It's not surprising whatsoever. And you can see that percent increase in personnel. And then again, by division, which means less likely to the folks on this council. So our health fund is structurally balanced with a little bit of wiggle room to hopefully account for some of that unpredictability. You can see this year's tax request summary. That's overall. And then the tax share. As you can see, I only have the last the last two fiscal years or previous fiscal year, the one we're in now, and then the one that we are talking about today for FY27. And the city and county cost share is not 60-40. To put it, I suppose, very frankly, that's been a really hard number to hit in the process that we use. So right now I or my predecessors would come to council in May, June with our best guests and make one tax ask of the city from the general fund. And whether it was right or not, how it shook out was the cost share. This year, I am happy to say, and I have a slide that gives more detail on this later. I think we're just going to be a lot more accurate because a lot of the county's financial programs are being combined in one place. We have a new financial system at the county called Workday , and I think it'll be able to, we'll be able to track this a lot more closely. And these conversations are ongoing in terms of getting, you know, nailing that 60-40 cost share on the nose. But what it will likely look like is some reconciliation, May or June, to identify what likely was the cost share for those non-grant or fee-funded personnel and operations, and then some reconciliation going forward if one entity over or underpaid. So this year, you will see that, I'm sorry, I advanced too quickly. So you'll see in that chart in the lower right that even the request that I'm putting in is putting the city at about a 55% estimate, which is not 60%. But with things like vacancy savings and whatnot, I'm wondering how close we're going to get, but I'll be able to report on that in May or June of next year. And then moving on to the Animal Services Fund, which is a much smaller fund in terms of people, personnel, and also overall revenue and expense. So that is a mighty fund and the folks out there are doing a whole lot of really critical work for the community. As far as revenue summary, the revenue summary at Animal Services is sort of my budget story this year because it's the poster child example of declining revenue. There are significant decreases in our revenue. Non-tax, of course, is down about 15%. And naturally, that results in a greater need for tax support from the city and county to balance that budget. The biggest revenue line that's down is our dog licenses. Dogs are required to be licensed in the city and county. It's a relatively low fee that rarely goes down. And while we, of course, expect the Animal Services Fund to be somewhat supported by tax, it makes sense that folks who own pets, who would be more likely to be directly involved with the services that animal services provides, would carry a little bit more of that revenue share. There are also other fees that are down, including in-pound fees. But in total, it's almost, it's likely about $50,000 in revenue that we will not make this year. And we are currently engaged in a quality improvement project to examine the process, internal and external barriers, and possible action plans to increase the number of licensed dogs and the associated revenue spent this morning out of animal control. So the good news is there's a lot of things that we have identified that we can work on. And the challenge is identifying the right ones in the right order to prioritize to really turn that trend around. So we are working hard on that. And this slide shows the breakdown of the revenue. Animal services is 82% tax funded. We're hoping to get that blue slice of the pie a little bit bigger in the coming years to actually more accurately reflect the number of dogs that live in this county. And expense summary for animal services personnel is up by 5%. That's what we would expect with those negotiated wage increases. Middle bullet point is less important if you're not looking at our actual budget spreadsheets, though I'm happy to provide those to anyone in council if you're interested. We're moving to a leasing model for our animal control upf itted trucks for the officers. Honestly, the price is a wash, but it's no longer a capital investment and we don't own the truck each year. It's just becoming more expensive and more complicated to purchase and upfit. And the last bullet point is a discussion of our fundraising commitment for the shelter expansion project that this body was instrumental in moving through, as well as the county commission. We're so grateful for that. The new shelter is amazing. If you haven't been out there, please visit. It's beautiful. It's much better for staff. It's much better for animals and for the public. But we acknowledge that when the governing body bonds for that project, which I understand will be this fiscal year, we will make up the our fundraising commitment out of our fund balance or our cash. Expense breakdown for animal services. Again, the majority is personnel and operations is about a quarter of that expense budget. I'm not going to go into a whole lot of detail here, but it has been a wild ride, which is why I chose the roller coaster for this slide. The county has been in a two year process of migrating to work day and it has been really a saga. You know, there's been ups and downs, but I think we're at a place where we're quite excited to have all of our personnel budget information in one place to get very accurate and transparent in the future. And we're in that money and our FTE allocations. It's a complicated budget because folks are paid in a lot of different ways, especially when we're looking at grants that come and go. The other thing that we don't know a heck of a lot about, but we'll bring a lot of granular truth to our budget is that this financial system has the opportunity to do a budget check. Whereas before we would rely on monthly reports and actuals and an overall spending authority. This software is going to flag any purchase that is even slightly over an expense category. And of course there are ways to, within your overall spend authority to move forward, but it's going to be another learning curve and adjustment. I think one of the most exciting things in this coming fiscal year for the health department is we've moved a lot of our grant support to an existing employee who had some room in their schedule to support grants. All the way from applying for a new grant, is this the right opportunity for us? Is this the need? Is it strategic to closing out a grant? Is it strategic to be a grant? Is it strategic to be a grant? Is it strategic to be a grant? Is it strategic to be a grant? 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Thank you so much for coming in. I was going to give my own little update on how good of a job I think that you are doing and the Health Department is doing. One of the goals that you and I discussed when you stepped into this position was integrating a little bit more with city's senior leadership, because even though it's the City, County Health Department, I think because the county operates it day to day and stuff, sometimes our staff doesn't rely on you like they should. We have historically maybe not included Health Department in certain discussions on things that might be relevant. And it seems that we are making great progress on that front. And the one thing that we haven't got done yet, which is as much me as anything, is kind of scheduling quarterly check-in. Because you've talked about wanting to come in and kind of tell the Health Department story a little bit, but better understand for city folks and for city representatives what all we're doing at the Health Department, with the 65% or 54.7% now, I guess, funding from the city. So what would be the first thing you would want to present on the council to help us better understand what we're doing? Oh, that's not to put you on the spot. Oh, no, that's great. That's why I'm here. First, I so appreciate your first comment and could not overstate how much I have enjoyed participating on the city senior leadership team. I have learned so much and made excellent professional connections and just connections with folks who are working really hard. And we've just found a lot of opportunity to integrate a little bit better. So thank you for making that suggestion a couple of years ago. It's been really invaluable. And I suppose if I were to choose the first thing I would want to present, I think there are two choices. Of course, I would prioritize anything that a counselor or multiple members of council were interested in hearing. We can be very flexible and agile in talking about specific topics, either services that the Health Department is providing, learning more about those, or just kind of general public health issues and what, you know, how that weaves into the overall work. But if I was given the opportunity to start, I would start where I always start, which what is public health. I continue to learn every single day. I've been working in public health for 20 years. And I think to talk about the public health system and how it's integrated into our health care system and why both are important. And why, you know, when Marina Parks and Rec or Jeremy at Public Works and Mobility is talking about initiatives, I'm like, ah, that is public health. You know, there is so much connection between the work that folks at the city are doing and the values and concepts that are important to folks at Missoula Public Health. I think it's amazing. And I think that would be a good place to start, but I'm very, very willing to start wherever it makes sense for folks on this body. All right. Well, me and Councilwoman Cheryl can work with you on getting that scheduled. Thank you. All right, Mr. McCoy. Thank you, Madam Chair. I was just curious if you guys had any data or conjecture about the loss in the revenue from dog licensing. We have both. Not as much data as we'll ultimately have, because that's part of our quality improvement project is to get very real with the numbers and understand them. The only way to know if the actions you're implementing are actually working. And we have a ton of conjecture all the way from looking at the database or the software system that we currently use at that facility to track licenses and for a couple other things that are critical at animal services. It is so many of the where do we go from here conversations go back to, but our database can't do that. But the reporting and the renewals takes four hours. So that's part of the problem because although it's very internal and it might not mean anything to somebody who has a dog. What we certainly don't want to do is come up with really grand ideas to drive more people to license their animals. But we don't even have a database that can support that or do it in an efficient way and produce a renewal in efficient ways. We also have gotten a lot of feedback, mostly just from one on one conversations anecdotally from folks about what their barrier is. And that can be, you know, I went to license and I didn't have my rabies cert on hand at the time, and so I just didn 't go back to it. Right now, in order to have your animal license, you have to have a current rabies certification, which is either for one or three years, depending on the age of your animal. And your license expires at the end of that rabies certification. And so that produces some complexity. There's also, there's a lot of categories folks can choose from, like do you have an altered animal, spayed or neut ered animal, or is it unaltered? And there's just, there's a lot to it that kind of create just some logistical barriers. We know that we could do a lot more outreach, some targeted outreach in certain places where a lot of people or dogs happen to be. Vet clinics has come up, trailheads has come up. Another thing I will just say is right now at animal services, we have capacity issues. Just in the number of people doing a whole lot of work. Our population increases. So does the number of animals in the community. And the need at the shelter. And so I wouldn't be surprised if what we ultimately also find is that even if we had the magic bullet to increase our license numbers by a whole bunch, we might not have time in that day to accomplish it. So we're really staying open to all possibilities. Are the requirements now efficient? What is the purpose of a license? Does, you know, vaccination alter age of the person applying for a license? What really comes together to make it hard for folks to license? We definitely have heard from people who have said, I had no idea that it was a requirement to license my animal. So there's just, there's work to do on so many fronts. And kind of the purpose of QI is you front load a whole bunch of the work and discussion to identify what you think the root cause is or the number of root causes. So what are the, what is the driver or the drivers of this issue that we're experiencing? And that's kind of where we are now. There's a lot of things that could be. We've even talked about putting out some surveys to just ask people, did you know about it? If you did, where did you hear about it? If you knew about it and your animal isn't licensed, of course it would be anonymous. Why? Why not? What was the barrier? There are a couple other questions and I'm going to hop the line because I just had a follow up question about this specific topic. I'm just curious, do you know, like in other towns, our size, like how they handle dog registrations? I've lived here for 25 years. So, I mean, I've been here a very long time, but it's the only place I've ever known where you have to register your pet. So I'm just curious, like, what do other places do? Well, the short answer is yes. And I would invite Shannon to come up at any moment if she has a nugget of information that I don't. But yeah, there are definitely jurisdictions where animal licensing, dogs in particular, is a requirement. And I think in other communities, the reason for licensing can be a number of different things. It can be purely to generate revenue for the animal services in the jurisdiction, or it can be, you know, somewhat of an indicator if an animal is vacuumed. I was speaking with Holly, our animal services manager. And a lot of communities have a big disparity in that licensing fee between unaltered animals and altered animals . What I heard this morning is that the majority of our bites or at-large animals are unaltered. And of course, it's only the unaltered animals that can contribute to population explosion in our cats and dogs. So I don't know, you know, what percentage of cities or counties our size have registration requirements, but it's certainly not uncommon. Great. Thank you very much. And the next hand I see up is Eric Hallstrom. You're back there. I didn't realize you were back there. Yeah, I appreciate the indulgence. I just wanted to follow up on something that Gina had mentioned. As much as she's gathered from senior leadership team participation, I think the senior leadership team has gained an awful lot for having public health and Gina's expertise at the table. And it really paid off for us during the strategic plan development there. Have a strong performance management program at public health. And I think that experience and expertise was really beneficial to the city. So I just wanted to say that it goes both ways. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. Sorry, next is Betsy. Thank you. I was just when we were talking about animal licensing went on the website and saw that you should be licensing your chickens. So PSA. But you gain any revenue from that? Yes. So that's just so interesting. It came up this morning that we do our chicken city chicken permitting in the same system that we do our dog licensing. So we do get some revenue. I don't have the breakdown, but I certainly could get it. But, you know, even that I think is indicative of the problem problems that this particular software system have. Because what what the system spits out for a chicken permit says dog license at the top. So there's a whole lot of reconciliation and editing and hand entering to do something as simple as a chicken permit . So if we get revenue, I bet we cancel it out with staff time. Follow up. Go ahead. For all of the members of the public who are online watching this. I know that there are tons. Do you need any specific paperwork to license your chickens or do you just like because you wouldn't need a rabies vaccine, but you just say I have some chickens. I want to license them. I would take a wild guess at that, which is not ever what I should be doing. So I'm happy for Shannon to jump in. But the little that I do know about it is that there's a city ordinance in order to have chickens. You have to have them, I think, permitted or registered. I'm not sure what the right verb is, but I think it's just it's an acknowledgement that you have that. And, you know, there's prohibitions on number of birds and roosters and that kind of thing. So. And distances, which I learned just now. Distances. Great. Okay. All right. Great. Thank you. Miss Jordan. Miss Jordan. I am curious if you all have looked into potentially the reason why people aren't licensing is related to poverty. We see across the board that certain things get dropped when folks can't afford to buy rent, water, food, like licensing their cars or getting car insurance. Those are the first things to drop because there's not an immediate cause and effect as far as the budget goes. And I'm curious if you've looked at poverty rates and that potentially being something that keeps people from getting their animals licensed. And if sorry, and if so, have you got any accommodations for low income folks? Yeah. Excellent question. And without having any data as far as a survey from, you know, a random sample of people across the socioeconomic strata. I can't answer that with specificity, but I could only guess based on, you know, the number of other things that go on in our community and others that that's a reason for some folks for sure. I believe that a three year license is $35 for three years. And we recognize that could be prohibitive at any one moment for folks. So, well, it's not everybody's barrier. It very likely is a barrier for some people. And then the second part of your question, Councillor Jordan, I forgot it already. I remember it was a two parter. I did tag that one at the last minute or last second, but it's just about, do you have any accommodations in mind for low income folks? Sure. There are a couple discounts in the current license structure. The first is for senior applicants, folks, dog owners 65 or older who are more likely to be on a fixed income, get a discount of approximately half. And then service animals, which is hard to determine because as folks go online to license, it's up to them to select service animal and there should be some truthing of that. So they also get the same discount. And I just would say, though, it's harder to quantify that a lot of the acknowledgement of folks' income comes less through our licensing program or requirement and more through the services animal control that they're offering every day. They provide a lot of service to the public that comes at no charge. There's a lot of impound fees forgiven. There's a lot of safe keep scenarios where if somebody is in the hospital or incarcerated for a period of time, they 'll hold the animal. So I do think that just based on anecdotal information that I hear at least weekly, folks at animal services are certainly sensitive to that. But as far as specific discounts in the current structure, that's the one that I'm aware of. Go ahead. Yeah, I was kind of more commenting specifically on licensing fees and perhaps why you're not getting a higher licensing rate. And I think that a lot of areas also, if you have a SNAP card or a Medicare card or Medicaid card, whatever it's called here, I never can remember. It automatically means folks are low income and perhaps that could be a way to get more folks registered if they can show proof of income straight away with SNAP card or another social service type amenity that they're already receiving. And if you want to be a SNAP card or other income, I think that they're going to be a good thing. Yeah, that's really helpful and is planting a good seed for me as we go forward. And I think, you know, owning a pet is often not cheap. I think that, you know, it's just for dogs. Dogs can be expensive. Dog food is expensive. And, you know, as it pencils out to about 12 bucks a year. I am. I definitely am taking in and it is landing with me that 35 bucks at any one moment can be significant and 35 bucks over a three year period for somebody who owns an animal. I hope is not something that is often the reason why somebody isn't licensing for sure. But we are open to hearing all the feedback when we go out and start seeking that data about where to start adjusting the system and what to try first. Great. Thank you. And I do not see any other hands up unless Eric wants to speak again. I think your hand's still up. But so if there are no other questions from council, I'm not seeing any online. Thank you. And yeah, I think with that we are adjourned. Thank you. Thank you.

It's 02 p.m. It's the 22nd of June, 2026. And before we get started with our agenda, if you'll join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, please. Thank you very much. All right. I see a lot of new faces in the audience this evening. If you're here to make public comment on items that are not on the agenda, there is a required sign-up sheet, and that is out in the hallway there, the first 20-minute opportunity for comments not on the agenda, items not on the agenda. Otherwise, if you're here to comment on items on the agenda, then those agenda items will come, and I'll make sure I announce that time for you. Okay. Ms. Trimble, roll call, please. All right. Good evening. Beginning with Anderson. Absent. She should be joining us online this evening. We'll check. I'll keep an eye out for her. Thank you. Becerra. Present. Campbell. Here. Krask. Present. Jones. Present. Jordan. Present. McCoy. Here. Nelson. Present. Nugent. Present. Ponton. Present. Savage. Present. Cheryl. Present. And we'll watch for Anderson. We do have quorum. All right. Thank you very much. Council members, we have minutes from June 15, 2026. Do any council members have any changes or questions about the minutes as submitted? Okay. Not seeing any, then those minutes will remain as submitted. Thank you. Next up, we have agenda item number three, which is our committee schedule for this coming Wednesday, the 24th of June. Ms. Trimble, any changes to the upcoming committee schedule? No changes from what was posted. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. And for members watching online or in the audience, the city council committees, all the information is available on the City of Missoula website, City of Missoula Agenda. You can find all the committee schedules and all the agenda items attached on that website, on that webpage. All right. Item number four is special presentations and proclamations. And we do not have any neighborhood council updates this evening. And we don't have any proclamations this evening. So next up, we'll move right into, before I move into public comment for items not on the agenda, I'll mention that we do have four public hearings. And then we have two items of new business and our consent agenda. So that's what we're looking at for our council agenda this evening. And as we get started on public comment for items that are not on the agenda, we have one person that has signed up. And I'll mention for folks here in the room and online, the first period of public comment on items not on the agenda is limited to 20 minutes total, with up to three minutes allotted per speaker. Each person may speak once per meeting concerning items that are not on the agenda. In-person comments take precedence. Sign-up is required and follows a first-come, first-served basis. The second period of public comment on items not on the agenda will follow immediately after the conclusion of all regular business and continue until all comments have been taken. So as I mentioned, one person signed up and that's Suzette Dussault. Come on up, Suzette. Good evening. And I am here again to speak with you about the increasing and critical need for housing in our community. Housing that is for our working families, our young folks. And there's a great opportunity we have before us. The city has in their wisdom purchased land that would be buildable for housing. And I applaud that. And I welcome you to think about the opportunities that that provides. The city has a plan called the city redevelopment lands. And there are several parcels there that are, to me, critical and an opportunity for housing. The first thing I think is that since this is city-owned land, this is our land, it's public land, and it should be put into a land trust so that whatever is built upon that land will never be appraised or appraised or taxed with property taxes for the land itself. I think that's the first critical need we need to take. There are several parcels there. There are two by Southgate Mall. There is also several others that I would love us to consider as for potential housing. One is the old city library, which I actually served as a public librarian as a children's and young adult community services librarian, volunteer coordinator. And it has strong bones. It wasn't going to support a, you know, perhaps another portion of the library, but it has strong bones. And it could actually be brought up to a couple more stories. And I think this would facilitate beautifully senior housing on those two floors with perhaps child care on the lower two levels. The other area that I think would be a great area to redevelop are the acres of asphalt and single-story, single-use commercial in the Brook Street corridor. There is a very underutilized space that the city could acquire and put into housing or land trust and then into housing. So I think of this as an opportunity. We do know that market rate, which is one of the considerations for one of the parcels at Southgate Mall, market rate housing does not meet our needs. Because who is coming to Missoula? The Board of Realtors determined that 60% of people wanting housing are not our local people. Our local people are constrained by the wages that they make in Missoula. And I would like you to consider also the affordability aspect. Thank you for your comments this evening, Miss Tussauds. Okay, folks. I appreciate your enthusiasm. Thank you. I want to thank you not to applaud for public commenters. We invite all kinds of public comments this evening. One of the things that can be intimidating or dissuade people is when people make comments. Boo. Clap. So again, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I ask you to not applaud for public commenters. Thank you very much. All right. That is our only person in public comment. For the record, I'll... Ms. Trimble, Amber Sherrill, Councillor Sherrill's online. Great. Thank you. So we do have a couple of minutes. Again, like I mentioned, only one person signed up for public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Is there anybody else that wishes to make a public comment for items that are not on the agenda during this time period? Okay. Not seeing any. I'll check online here. Okay. I'm not seeing any online either. That wraps up agenda item number five, which is public comment for items not on the agenda. And we'll next move to our public hearings. State law and city council rules set guidelines for inviting community comment in a formal way. On certain issues following a staff report on each item, the city council and the mayor invite community comment. City council holds a public hearing on the item. A member of council makes a motion and a vote is taken. The public hearing and vote take place on the same night, unless there is a reason to hold the vote over to a later meeting date. So we'll start with our first public hearing this evening. This is item 6.1. It's the Missoula County Airport Authority Milwaukee Trail corridor open space project. We have Zach Covington and maybe Nathan McLeod or he might be on line, but Mr. Covington is here to provide the staff report. Take it away. All right. Thank you, Mayor Davis and good to see everybody. Okay. Let me just make sure my presentation is viewable for you all real quick. All right. Thanks for the opportunity to provide a report on this open space project tonight. This is the Missoula County Airport Authority Milwaukee Trail corridor open space project. And I should mention my name is Zach Covington. I'm a planning and land acquisitions manager for the city department of parks and recreation. This is an exciting project. This is something that we've been looking forward to and working with the airport on for a number of years. The airport director, Brian Ellis, that is here as well. And want to thank him for coming and his and his staff's support throughout this process. Some of the basics about the project are that this is 28 acres of about a 1.5 linear mile section of the old historic Milwaukee railroad grade currently owned by the Missoula County Airport Authority. And as you can see outlined in blue, this is the corridor. It's right next to the Ranch Club Golf Course area and some some future develop existing and future development. It's also really closely connected to the Mullen area, build area, build areas and soot decaying area. As you know, there's open space cornerstones in the 2019 Missoula Urban Area Open Space Plan. And this project links between two of those, the Clark Fork and Bitteroo Rivers and the Grant Creek South Cornerstone as well. This project aligns with a lot of different public policies and programs from the state level all the way down to the local level. It complies with a lot of the elements and aspects of open space included in the urban area open space plan. City code and state code as well as setting Missoula strategic goals. This helps fulfill parkland, trail, greenway, ecological, view and vistas and conservation principles, conservation principles and open space principles. And so it's kind of exciting to be able to take a look at this project tonight. I threw a couple of maps in here from the parks, recreation, open space and trails plan, which was adopted in June of 2024. And as you can see in purple, we've outlined the existing Milwaukee Trail. The orange kind of wider line is is future Milwaukee Trail corridor sections. And then obviously circled in yellow is the airport properties. So this is all part of a grander vision, a larger view of the Milwaukee Trail corridor throughout the entire community. You'll also notice that the airport property is a proposed regional or community park location in the PROS plan. This plan was heavily vetted through the public processes, extensive public engagement. And so this definitely fulfills those goals and objectives. There's a couple other proposed recommendations that this helps fulfill by expanding regional trail networks and enhancing residential areas with nearby open spaces, parks and trails through acquisition and development. Implementing the Great American Rail Trail through Missoula and acquiring linear park lands. And as you know, shared use pathways are accessible to people of all ages, abilities, incomes and backgrounds. And this will provide a critical non-motorized access to goods and services, places of employment, schools, public transit and other areas, including downtown Missoula and university for these. And this is a great, rapidly developing areas in our community. And provides a potential for future improved emergency access along the trail corridors that's owned by the public, by the city. So the Great American Rail Trail is roughly 3,700 mile long national trail network that will span from Washington, D.C. to the state of Washington, coast to coast. And this trail is already about 55% complete. And it's an exciting initiative that's really gaining a lot of traction. The Milwaukee Trail corridor through Missoula is actually part of this Great American Rail Trail corridor. As you know, there's a lot of momentum with planning right now. We've, the city recently received, well, I should say a six county coalition, which the city is one of the members, received a large planning grant to be able to plan the Great American Rail Trail through Western Montana. And this is one of those sections that's going to be able to be planned in more detail as we move along through that process. That's anticipated to start over the next six to eight months or so. And as you know, this project has taken a long time to be able to get to the point where we're at today. The Open Space Advisory Committee voted to recommend the project to City Council back in October of 2024. And, of course, we've been working with the ranch club to be able to modify an easement to allow us to make sure the trail is top priority within the property. And, of course, we've been working with the airport throughout that entire process. And they've been amazing partners. And we hope to be able to complete the acquisition this fall or winter. There's a few steps in there with, including Federal Aviation Administration approval. Just a reminder that while the OSAC actually recommended this project for use of 06 Open Space Bond funds, we would actually be putting forward a recommendation to Council to use the 2018 Open Space Bond Fund since 06 Bond Funds have been expended. And that's per Resolution 8915, which helped close out those Open Space Bond Funds for 2006 in November of 2025. And just some quick slides here just reminding you about the process that OSAC uses with project applications. I want to go through this right now because I know we've got a lot on the agenda tonight. But just a reminder that there is a step-by-step process that OSAC utilizes in vetting open space projects. And also that OSAC is an advisory committee to City Council. And, of course, City Council has the authority, per this public hearing, to make decisions regarding the use of Open Space Bond Funds for projects. And also that OSAC unanimously recommended and recommends to City Council that this project move forward. And I'll just read this briefly from that letter. One fact that cannot be overlooked is the sheer size of the MSO property, or airport property, which totals 28 acres and an impressive 1.5 miles in length. This is a very large park land space near several residential neighborhoods, and it is a rare trail development opportunity. Those SAC fills should not be passed up given its reasonable cost. Missoula has expanded much larger and more complex efforts in the past to piece together portions of the Milwaukee Trail through the heart of the city, and this 1.5 mile uninterrupted portion is an unprecedented and cost-effective chance to help expand Missoula's trail system. And then the packet online are four letters of support from the Institute of Tourism and Recreation Research at the University of Montana, Adventure Cycling, the Missoula MPO, and Rails to Trails Conservancy. So, the budget request for this is $130,000 of 2018 open space bond funds. The fee simple acquisition would be $100,000 for the 28 acres, and due diligence costs would be around, estimated to be around $30,000. So, the amount would be up to $130,000 in 2018 open space bond funds. So, with that, I have a recommended motion here, and I believe, of course, you all have it, and then I'm happy to answer any questions. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Covington. I just want to make sure that Nathan McLeod is not here as well as part of the staff presentation. Correct. Okay. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving him out of the staff presentation. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. All right. We have some questions from Council, and we'll start with Councilor Melson. Thanks, Mayor Davis, and Zach, good to hear your voices back after a couple months of losing it. It's getting there. Thank you. Hey, I just want to be clear. 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I think it's a great question. Nothing immediate and it could be a really long term project. That's great. Thanks so much. All right. Thanks for your question. And Councillor Campbell. Thank you, ma'am, mayor. Thanks, Zach, for your presentation. As it stands now, what is the closest point of connection to what it is we're contemplating today? I guess what I'm asking is, getting back into town, what where's the closest existing point of the Hiawatha Trader that the city is actively using? I look at my, it looks like maybe around Grove Street. Correct. Yeah, that's exactly correct. That's where the trail currently terminates is at Grove Street. And going west from there, I'm glad you brought that up. And I'm, I don't know if the presentation could be brought up again, but it's, this map will show you a little bit, but going west of Grove Street, this orange line, we aren't showing it on this map yet, but the city currently has either ownership or easements from Grove Street West. And then along Schmidt Road. And then along Schmidt Road to Mullen Road. And so there's, there's a little bit of work that still needs to be done in there. But largely the city either owns or has easements through that entire section right now. And, but the current trail actually terminates at Grove Street currently. Okay. Follow up. Please. So looking at that area you're talking about, just kind of west of Grove Street, it, it looks to me like there might be some work that'll need to be done eventually at some point in time to get a bridge across the river. Correct. A lot of work. And it's an expensive project to be able to get a bridge across there. There is an existing section of bridge that we need to make sure to assess the feasibility and safety of. And then there's a further west, about half of that across the larger part of the river. There's no bridge. There's just those old bridge pylons and foundational, you know, structures there. So that needs to all be assessed as part of this larger raise grant, the federal grant for that Western Montana, Great American Rail Trail design process. That's going to get us a 30% design on that particular section of trail. So it's going to, it's going to help us determine how feasible that is and what the costs would be to be able to cross the river right there. Thank you. And one more, this might be an airport director problem or question. I'm not sure. I'm just curious what their master plan or the airport master plan showed as a long term use for that part of the part of the airport property as it stands now. If you had any future thoughts of that within your plan. Sure. Brian Elstead Airport director of Missoula. I'll answer it a little long winded. Number one, thank Zach and staff for continuing with this. So this is kind of outside of our master plan needs. That's why it worked out nicely to work with, with them. We actually had a private owner interest in this property. And that's when we started working with parks and rec as we really staff really felt that this was a better use of this area. So I think more of anything, it's an opportunity that you're, that you're purchasing right now. And I also think it's probably important to let you guys know that while we would love to donate it. Um, this was an early conversation with one of the committees that, that Zach brought to us. Unfortunately, we are the best or the worst of, of all, where we have lots of regulations. Um, we don't get taxpayer money, but we use everything's user fees. We have a lot of regulations that say we have to get fair market value. So that's where we went out, got the appraised current appraisal, um, for the property. It's a, and I think it's a decent price for 28 acres. Um, but again, for the master plan, it works great for us. It's, we still plenty of land for, for future development. Sorry for the long winded explanation. That's appreciated. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Thank you. And Councillor Nugent. Uh, thank you, mayor Davis. Um, uh, former council member, uh, Jerry Ballas, um, is one of my constituents. And he called me today was a question about long-term maintenance. And so I said, I'm happy to happy to ask it. Um, you, you referenced, maybe this is comparable to the Kim Williams trail at some point. Uh, do you have any idea what sort of annual maintenance we're committing ourselves to? I know that's hard to project because we're buying it and we, funding the actual construction will be different, but asking you to kind of use a crystal ball a little bit on that. Yeah, that's a great question. We don't have an exact number right now. We haven't looked at that, but I, I, I will say that in the short term maintenance will be very minimal. Just it'll, it'll, it will basically be managed as a conservation land without public access until we determine that it's ready for public access. That's something we always make sure to do. We want to make sure people are safe. We want to make sure that the land isn't being, uh, you know, uh, desecrated in some way. And so we, in the short term, we don't anticipate, you know, very high costs. I will say that, um, the Eagles landing property along Kim Williams trail that we recently acquired, uh, I believe is 16 acres and estimates just to manage that amount of acreage was about three to 5,000 annually. And that's as a conservation land. And that's a lot, that's a lot more, uh, wildlife habitat focus, riparian river corridor focus. This is a lot more disturbed land along the rail corridor. And so it's largely been graded out there. There, there is some, you know, there's some growth coming in on the, on the north facing slopes. There's, there's some great vegetation and mature trees and vegetation and that, but it's largely a lot of it's disturbed. Um, so I think in the short term, not much maintenance longterm though. Uh, I mean, I think this, again, we got to go through the community design process and see what the, what the community local neighborhoods want, but also the larger community. Uh, and as part of that planning process and design process in the future. So we'll know more at that point. Just one quick follow up. Uh, appreciate that. So what, what is, what are the tasks of kind of annual maintenance on a trail such as Kim Williams? Like just kind of broad picture. Yeah. To be honest, that's not my, my, um, current employee, you know, uh, focus of employment, but I, I think largely it's surface grading and maybe Marina can step in. Would you like to do that or Ryan? That might be more appropriate. Yeah. We'll have a team member. Parks and Rec director, Marina Yoshioka. Marina Yoshioka, parks and recreation director. A natural surface trail typically once graded and set will have minimal maintenance unless there's rutting or erosion. Um, and so it just depends on the conditions of what happens to it. So in a normal year, we're not looking at a huge maintenance increase on this. Um, no, there will be a slight increase, but it should be cheaper than asphalt. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thanks for your questions. And the counselor McCoy. Thank you, madam mayor. I think my question might've just got answered through that. Um, I was wondering about the, the pavement or whether it was going to be natural asphalt and what the longterm projections for that were. Yeah. Yeah. And, and it's great question and I, and it's appropriate question. And I, our plan now is to really enter into a community planning and design process in the future to figure that out. I think, uh, we're working always to try to find ways to connect that. You know, we will be finding ways to connect that corridor to current and future development, um, both with the ranch club and the Swipikin area and, and see how to connect to the Mullen trail from this corridor. Cause that, that will eventually connect to that section on Schmidt road and down through the corridor across the Grove street in the longterm. But that, that could be many years out. And so we don't, we don't anticipate at this point that being paved soon, but we want to go through that planning process to make sure we're working with the local neighborhoods to suit their needs, meet their needs as well, as well as a larger community. Quick follow. I'm curious. Do you know if there is like development on like unpaved services, like versus paved? Because I mean, like we look at the bitter trail, right. And we see it degrade over years and it needs to be repaved. And we know those expenses. So is there any like research on like natural paths and lasting longer, or is that just something that isn't being looked at these days? Cause nobody has time or money for it. Yeah. I don't know off the top of my head, but just looking at our current trail system, I think what Marina pointed out with, with our pretty minimal maintenance on those types of trails, especially where they're, they're fairly, you know, that railroad grade is fairly flat. And it doesn't take a lot to maintain, but Marina, do you want to comment on that at all? Marina Yoshioka. So we're always looking for environmentally friendly solutions as we build and design our systems and trails. It depends what type of trail it is and the use it's going to get. And so like the bitter route is a paved trail because of it's a commuter trail. And when you consider the plowing for winter and the salt and the heavy use it gets, that indicates that that trail should be paved. So the material is dictated by the level and type of use. All right. Yvette, thanks for your questions. And councilor Campbell. Thank you, ma'am. Mayor. I came up with another question. I usually see, I might have missed it, but there's usually like a graph or something that shows like total dollars of open space bond money left, then like which pot you're drawing from and how much money is within that pot they're using. You know what I'm talking about? Yes, I do. And I actually have the numbers right here. I, usually I do put that in. I was trying to shorten the presentation up so I didn't take too much time, but, but I will gladly go through those real quick. So currently the current balance for the open space bond 2018 open space bond is three about 3.2 million. And then the current balance for the open space bond funds. And then the current balance for the open space bond funds. And then the current balance for the open space bond funds. 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I wasn't with the city. But ran the 2018 open space fund campaign. And that the buckets were just kind of this idea of how we would spend the money. So that these are not. We can mix these buckets up however we see fit. Depending on kind of what the future brings. And what the opportunities we have are. So they're just rough outlines of how we plan on spending the money. None of that was in the on the ballot. The the the community did not vote on those buckets. It was simply them voting on the bond itself. And the general usage of the bond. And if you're ready for me to make the. The motion I will or I'll just wait. Thank you, Councilor Cheryl. Just one more question. One more hand I see raised. So I'll ask you to make that motion just here momentarily. Thank you very much. I think that the share will just answer my question, but just to be. Um. We are those buckets would not require staff coming to city council or city council approval or anything that could be an administrative decision. That you make based on the needs of that time for the use of those funds. Correct. Yes. To my knowledge. That is correct. And I will say that the the buckets are listed in the interlocal agreement with the county. As an exhibit and they're listed as recommended. Um. Categories. And since they're listed as recommended, they're not they're not official in any way. So. Yeah, that's correct. That that. For example, the 2.25 million in the trails category could be used for acquisitions. There's also, I will mention about $600,000 left in an anonymous donation as well for for open space and mostly related to trail uses future trail corridor and construction. So we do have some money in there as well. So. But yes, those are flexible and would not require council action to my knowledge. Yeah. Thank you for your question. Um. I'll just ask if there's any clarifications. I'm not seeing our city attorney raised his hand. So. Um. I think your assumptions are correct. All right. Excellent. All right. So our climate conservation and parks committee chair, Councillor Cheryl, if you'll make the motion, please. Okay, let me pull it up on my screen quickly and then I will. Okay. I move that we make sure I'm at the right place. I move that we adopt a resolution to authorize up to 130,000 of 2018 open space bond funds to acquire 28 acres of the historic Milwaukee. The. Rail corridor from the Missoula County Airport Authority for use as a future trail and linear park corridor to be incorporated in the few in the future as part of the Missoula section of the great American. Rail trail. And I would like to speak to that when it's appropriate. Excellent. Thank you very much, Councillor. Thank you. And we'll go ahead and open this up to public comment because the motion is on the floor. It opens the public hearing. And so we will invite members of the public to comment on this particular agenda item. If anybody is here that wishes to make public comment on this agenda item, you're welcome to now. Again, we limit our comments to three minutes. I'll time you up here. Anybody wishes to make public comment on this agenda item. Sure. Come on up. Evening. My name is Mike Hargis. I'm the president of the Grizzly Dens Homeowners Association just west of Dayshaw. So, I'm in the county, so I technically don't have a dog in this fight, but I felt I would be derelict as a taxpayer if I didn't come provide you some information or your use, if any, as you deem appropriate in making the decision on whether you want to spend this money on this trail portion, this portion of an incomplete trail from coast to coast. Where we live, the county is proposing three separate trails. Two of them will go to the same place. They'll wind up at Frenchtown. They will intersect about 1.2 miles west of Dayshaw. They're also proposing a trail down Dayshaw that would run between these two trails, the one that you're proposing to purchase a section for, and one that runs along Mowen Road. Those are separated by their greatest distance of .4 miles. So, I can tell you that the homeowners west of Dayshaw don't think that this Milwaukee Road Trail is a good use of taxpayer money. particularly when you are going to spend 1.25 miles, or 1.2 miles worth of trail that could easily be replaced by .4 miles of trail, and that will intersect with a third trail 1.2 miles west of us. So, again, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just providing you that information for whatever use you want to make of it. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you for your comments this evening, Mr. Hargis. anybody else wishing to make public comment on this agenda item good evening councillors mayor davis my name is james crosby from ward one i'm also the chairman of the bicycle pedestrian advisory board i apologize my comb broke down this morning so i'm rocking some sweet helmet hair i am an avid bicyclist around missoula and i would ask you to please vote yes for this trail the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago the second best time to plant a tree is today this weekend i got to show some friends around missoula on trails that i did no planning for we were riding on the bitter root trail we were riding on sections of the milwaukee trail we were riding all around town and they said man this place is awesome it is so accessible by bicycle those trails we did not build it was the tireless efforts of those who came before us to establish those networks i may not ever get to ride a bike down this proposed stretch of milwaukee trail but to put that wheel in motion now would be an honor and i feel a duty so please vote yes as a reminder land is not getting any cheaper so this would be the best time to purchase it that's all thank you so much for your consideration thank you for your comments this evening mr crosby anybody else for public comment on this agenda item not seeing anybody in the audience and i don't see any hands raised online oh a hand just went up uh council members let me just come back real quick and see if there's any public no members of the public all righty so that does um wrap up our public comment on this agenda item and council cheryl i see your hands raised yeah thanks i just wanted to quickly say um you know coming coming from the conservation world conservation is um many times opportunistic but putting together a project like this a regional project uh takes takes time and patience and is absolutely opportunistic and taking little pieces of it and so um i think this is going to be uh uh as we piece it together is going to be a big thing for this community and also just as a regional um asset so i'm i'm excited about it i think this is a very reasonable price uh for this type of opportunity and i plan on voting yes thank you for your comments and councilor campbell thank you ma'am mayor actually start with actually another question for jack okay sure you bet so i'm just curious on public comment we just started relating to whatever might be in the works over in the county and every day charlene and up to french town is there i assume there's some level of coordination going on with yeah that's a great question and anyway and it was a good you know a relevant comment that there are a lot of trail corridors planned in that area the good thing is we've got this large planning grant federal planning grant coming and so we're going to be able to really dig into the details on that and that's going to help us determine where that corridor will go west of of day shah currently from the city's perspective you know our um i guess i guess our inflow area of influence is really the more urbanized area and the the municipal boundary and the the the open space planning boundary and from our perspective uh on the city side we're not looking at at acquiring you know more going west where we feel that that is more of a county responsibility to look at that but this planning process will include the county the city and multiple other partners including residents to be able to figure out where that trail should go i will mention that um you know as areas urbanize and grow and develop uh we as you know we've got our current milwaukee trail corridor through town where it's where it's highly developed we also have ron's river trail and and the riverside trail on both sides of the river those are fairly close uh in distance but in there and they may seem redundant but sometimes in trail regional trail networks redundancy is good uh from a from a usage perspective uh um be able to decrease use on certain sections sometimes they serve different purposes like more access to nature versus regional commuting some of them are paved some are unpaved so i think that that master planning process is going to tell us a lot and and we are thinking through the the fact that there will be some parallel networks through there and we feel like from our perspective and our experience as planners and uh landscape architects in our department we feel like that's a good thing it's a positive thing to have those redundancies and those those kind of stacked um uh trail networks so that that's how we're looking at it but um i i think the best thing from our perspective is that this planning process is going to start up pretty soon and that's when we really can get perspectives from everybody on that and and i think that would influence county planning processes in the future i would assume as well thank you all right thank you zach counselor ponton thank you mayor davis just wanted to quickly say that i think this presents a a really great opportunity in this area to acquire a pretty large tract of land at a pretty reasonable cost at you know a dollar per acreage calculation um going forward i think there's you know some things that we need to you know sort out in terms of details for me that's sort of street connectivity being kind of a paramount concern specifically like prada which zach and i have talked about in the past but i think that all gets hashed out in the planning um and sort of design phase so just wanted to extend a sincere thanks to director ellistad and the leadership team at the airport for the continued collaboration and uh really happy to support this project all right thanks for your comments any other council questions or council comments counselor campbell and once again madam mayor thank you um i've been thinking about this for some time and me in my mind the common denominator that trail system renee trail system that we're planning for going west downtown is that river crossing and how do we fund that how do we fit that piece of the puzzle together and get that in place get that built and i just feel without having that in place whatever we do beyond that is kind of as we're here today somewhat piecemeal and i understand the opportunity that is presented here with hundred and some thousand dollars for 28 acres of land you know the math said that's a good deal from a you know land value standpoint but um you know i i don't think we're at that point in time and at that place to go down that road of buying a piece of property out so far from the existing trail and having the obstacle of the clark fork river going through there and how do we fund for that um you know to the point that hopefully one day we could get federal matching money for uh wiring the land and having engineering studies everything that goes into building a bridge the estrian bridge or biking bridge across the clark for a river that's going to take time and i said zach that's going to take a lot of money um might necessitate a future open space bond i mean who knows probably but i think until we tackle that particular problem anything that happens west from at least a city standpoint is kind of premature and uh for those reasons i'll be voting now thank you for your comments counselor campbell it can uh uh counselor becerra thank you um i 100 agree with a public commenter who said the best time to um plant the tree build the road is 20 years ago um and so for that reason alone i think this is a great opportunity but also we know our community is growing extensively and very densely to the west and trying to provide more alternatives for connecting into the network and this is where i think mr ponton made made a good point that connecting it to the transportation network is going to be fundamental in order for it to function as well as possible and that way we can get the most out of our investment but also to address something that mr campbell brought up i think it's important for us to have a plan in motion in order to go after some federal funding if we don't have a plan if we don't have the concepts um on paper we are unlikely to get uh federal funding in in order to complete that project so i think this would position as well to get um federal funding in the future and make that um that trail possible and um i also want to thank the airport for all your collaboration throughout the years and um helping us um the city and the county uh create a well-connected and more cohesive part of our community thank you comments any other council comments or or again questions if you have anything that's popped up any comments questions before we take a vote okay all right then it looks like we are ready for a roll call vote on this agenda item miss tremble all right voting on this evening's first public hearing item 6.1 a to adopt a resolution to authorize up to 130 000 of 2018 open space bond funds beginning with becerra yes campbell no krask yes jones yes jordan yes mccoy yes melson yes nugent yes ponton yes savage yes cheryl yes and is anderson online i am not seeing her okay that was 10 in favor one opposed so that item does pass thank you all very much and congratulations i also want to extend my appreciation and our appreciation to missoula airport for the partnership and to our staff and others for the work done to date and ongoing for the master planning effort that will be made to extend and help missoula really be on the map of the great rails to trails a very significant asset to the united states and i'm excited to see where we'll be in hopefully just a few short years so thank you all very much appreciate that all right that wraps up step 6.1 we'll move on to our next public hearing our next public hearing is a resolution of intent to initiate a land use plan amendment to adopt reserve to scott 2026 master plan so i so we have two staff members here we've got annie gorski the deputy uh director of missoula redevelopment agency and madsen matthias that are here to present on this so annie is it you who i'm handing this over to just kick off the staff report yes thank you i'm going to start good evening my name is annie gorski deputy director with the missoula redevelopment agency um share my screen here we're here tonight to share an update on the reserve to scott master plan which we believe will be brought forward as an amendment to the city's land use plan as an area plan for so city staff have been working with consultants the public and key stakeholders businesses landowners within the larger reserve to scott area we've been working on a new master plan the city conducts master plans to guide future investment in an area in this case we're focused on the north reserve scott street urban renewal district apologies let me share this as a slideshow so the area that we are focused on tonight and for the master plan is this larger 900 acres shown on the west or left side of the screen is reserve street to the north i-90 to the east scott street and to the south the rail corridor this is the focus for this new master plan that is underway and the focus of the initiation that is before you tonight in this public hearing we the city and mra led a master planning process in this area in 2016 following adoption of the north reserve scott street urban renewal district to guide priorities and investment within the urban renewal district a lot has changed since 2016. it's been quite about a lot of residential growth on the east side new commercial development on the west side and in the center of this master planning area is the roseburg property 235 acres of which city council approved annexation of the first roughly 93 acres when that first first master plan was complete in 2016 while that area was included in our boundary for the for the effort roseburg was operating in industrial use so there was not a lot of discussion of new land uses or connectivity within that broader area that is a large focus of the master plan today so the public hearing tonight is to adopt a resolution of intention to initiate an amendment to the city's land use plan the planned amendment which will be brought forward later later this year includes adopting the reserve to scott master plan as an area plan the city's land use plan as well as related updates to the land use plan and map that are needed to implement the master plan the public hearing tonight is the first step in that process we're not recommending adoption of the master plan tonight or voting on the land use plan amendment and we have madsen is sitting here beside me and we also have gglo jesiah brown the consultant leading working with the mra and the city on this master planning effort we wanted to share some updates on how that master planning process is going the schedule public engagement and next steps so madsen in terms of technical details are there other things you want to add and i'm not going to add on that to the city's planning team and i'm going to add on that to the city's planning team and wanting to shed just a little bit more light on the logistics of this process this exists for the first time in front of all of us in the past resolutions of intent have been resolutions of intent to adopt a finalized plan and this is a resolution of intent to initiate a planning process so this helps us comply with the new regulations established by the state legislature with the land use law changes and helps us to comply with those same requirements for public participation which are quite extensive so um where this stems from as well is that there are now um specific routes on how you can amend the land use plan or adopt an area plan as well and that is by majority vote for the governing body or a petition from the public so this resolution is our way of establishing that majority vote getting it on the record and getting it on the record and officially bringing the public along for this future amendment and ongoing planning process thank you very much for the staff presentation can you continue please turn it over to josiah brown with gglo to walk through the scope of the master plan and share progress update where we are great sounds good josiah thanks annie mayor davis and council members i this is josiah brown urban designer with gglo and i'm just going to walk you through where we are so far in the project at this draft plan phase so i'll give sort of an overview of the project go through the goals and timeline talk about some of the outreach that we've conducted to date present the draft plan that is still in progress and then talk about some of our next steps so this project is building on the 2016 master plan and so in the 10 years that have passed one of the things that we're doing is looking at the conditions that have changed especially since the sale of the roseburg property and a lot of the new development that is happening around scott street we have a team of consultants on this project working with us and so we have agnew beck they are helping us facilitate public involvement reaching out to many different stakeholders the broader public we also have welsh comer engineers on the team with us and they're helping us look at transportation improvements as well as other infrastructure and utility improvements that will be needed to unlock development in the area we'll be looking at how some of these newly annexed areas can be incorporated into the land use plan and the new zoning code and then also we have leland and sultine group on the team to conduct market analysis and prepare development strategies so all of those things will be going into this master plan and we'll be developing implementation strategies and phasing for all of these recommendations the project is a nine month planning process with a month and maybe a little bit more of time for adoption in the project that we'll be working on the project and we'll be working on the project and we'll be working on the project so we are currently just right at the end of phase two and we just had some really successful workshops in the beginning of june and i've been taking a lot of the feedback that we've gotten and we'll start refining that in this phase three final master plan phase with each of these phases we continue to meet with stakeholders and we also come before the community with a community workshop and a public survey where we can also get input and then let that inform the plan so far we've heard from over 100 attendees at two different community workshops we've had over 150 responses to two different community surveys one of them is ongoing and if anyone wants to provide input we have a link at the end that will flash up on the screen we've heard from many participants at business and landowners meetings we can get pretty in-depth into some of the specifics and details of the plan a lot of different interviews with the major landowners and stakeholders work session with missoula city council members as well as focus group meetings with neighborhood leaders housing groups and arts and culture groups so a lot of outreach is happening and we're getting a lot of good input to help shape this plan some of what we've been hearing is a lot of support for different place types that are kind of representing different land uses so a lot of support for urban mixed use high and low place types and also support for parks and conservation lands and urban residential high place types which means people are looking for a range of uses and a pretty high amount of density to be developed in this area words that people are using to ideally describe this site in the future are things like walkable connected affordable vibrant green community these are some of what we're hearing and in addition to these two things we're also hearing there is still demand for industrial space that is a lot of what's happening there currently and there's also a good deal of conflict between industrial uses and residential uses in the area so that is some of the things that we are addressing so this is the study area and all the colors that you're seeing on the screen represent different ownership so there are many different owners in this close to 900 acres and there's also a lot of different uses going on here so there's a lot to try and work to get to work together in this plan guiding this plan is a lot of the great work that was done on the our missoula 2045 land use plan and so these policy themes are guiding a lot of what we're doing as we look at land use in this area and we are also using the place types that were developed as part of the land use plan and applying those to these areas as well and so on the left you see just with a box around them some of the place types that are currently present in the study area and we are looking at what other ones should be applied here and you'll see that as we walk through the draft plan and then another big part of this is looking at the transportation network that will connect this area that currently doesn't have a ton of connectivity and so we'll also be looking at the street types that can be applied and that will start to make sense of what happens in these street sections and how the right of way is appropriated so I'll just walk us through the draft plan and there's a lot of elements here but I'll try to kind of make it as simple as possible this is the existing condition and you might notice that there's a large kind of area in the middle without a lot of roads or connectivity going through there so and if you can go to the next slide this will show here this proposed street network that starts to connect this area so one of the main things that is happening here is along the interstate there is a a major connector what we have called roseburg drive here and that is providing connectivity from the east side on scott street over to reserve street an alternative route to the existing cemetery road that is down along the railroad tracks so that is kind of an organizing feature there and with all of these street networks we are working with the existing topography it's not a flat site we're also looking at what are the existing major land uses and and infrastructure and buildings that are already in place that won't be going anywhere working around those and then also one of the goals is to really extend the street grid where that makes sense and provide you know the most connectivity the most amount of routes to help dissipate traffic so you're seeing that major connector roseburg drive and then otherwise you're seeing some extension of the street grid over near scott street and that lends itself to certain types of development which you'll see in the place types when those are layered in here and then also kind of in the middle of the plan you're seeing another extension of the grid where the topography allows so then our next layer that i'll show here is the truck routes and so this will come on and if you can go to the next slide should come on in purple and this is going to show where we have started to separate the truck routes from residential areas so if you see on the bottom of the screen there should be a long cemetery road there is a proposed truck route and then at the top of the screen a long is this coming through no we're not really seeing any purple lines and are you seeing it on your screen no i'm going to stop sharing and try sharing again okay all right just say just give us one second we're going to just stop sharing and share again see if it'll pop back up appreciate you checking thank you all right now we have it great thank you um okay so the truck routes this has been a major organizing feature so um as it exists today there's a lot of conflict with residential use and major truck traffic going through the area to access industrial uses as well as the landfill across the interstate and so um one of our goals is to start to divide those two uses and really separate those conflicts so the purple line here you see a continuation from turner street and instead of turning up scott street to the north as it does today we're proposing that that would continue through and get along the railroad before being able to go up a new route sort of more directly up to um the landfill another route there would be along the existing razor drive that today is just a formal dirt road but we would propose formalizing that and including that as another truck route that would eventually lead to a future potential railroad crossing that would get you over to broadway another major feature here that would also help with minimizing truck traffic conflicts with residential areas would be the potential i-90 interchange which would provide direct connection to the landfill from other parts of the city and region and also would help provide additional connectivity to this area cemetery road would continue to be a truck route and would make its way out to reserve street okay now we can go on to the multi-use paths so increasing pedestrian and bike connectivity has also been a major goal for this plan and something that we've heard a lot from the community and so here in green you're seeing a layer of multi-use paths on the on the map and so um this is proposing a connection really from scott street on the east side all the way across along that future rosebird drive over and up to grant creek and the grant creek neighborhood so there's also a few other routes incorporated we're looking to um incorporate you know more than just one option um and also looking to be able to increase connectivity to future trails and existing connections and open space um north of the interstate so you're seeing um and a green arrow go across uh coal mine road there and then um finally this is the layer of place types being applied so i'll just kind of start in the top left but um really the main organizing principle here is that the gray color is that industrial unemployment place type that is a lot of the existing use here um and that is being kind of organized around the rail corridor where a lot of the industrial use already exists and then the northern corridor along the interstate is being looked at for um residential and mixed use uh development opportunities so um we have the limited urban mixed use along the reserve street corridor which is pretty indicative of what is there today we have urban mixed use low then just to the east of that that pink color um and that is a bit um a bit projecting looking forward to what could happen there and then in the red you're seeing a good a good chunk of urban mixed use high that really just allows for a lot of flexibility on that existing roseburg property um and also density in the yellow those are urban residential high areas and a lot of that is already existing on the scott street side um and so what you're seeing happen there is sort of a neighborhood center evolve around the park and the urban mixed use that is proposed in that area and so here in the center of the roseburg property you're seeing another sort of neighborhood center be proposed here with residential park space along the yellowstone pipeline corridor and additional mixed use development to support that so we proposed we presented this draft plan to the public um on june 10th and 11th we had a public open house um that was well attended and we got a lot of good feedback there and then also a business owner and a landowner workshop on the 11th where we got to hear from a lot of the businesses in the area um and um currently we still have a public survey that is open and we have a qr code on the next slide um and a link that people can click if they can access this and we'd love to hear from you more feedback um as we are still just in the draft plan phase and we'll be working on this incorporating all the feedback that we hear and um working towards the final plan um over the next few months so i think with that that's everything i have to share and i'll turn it back over thank you josiah all right any additional comments from staff members before we bring it to council okay thank you all very much appreciate that thorough presentation and uh bring it over to council to see if there are any questions from council members council questions yet from council okay no questions yet from council then we can go ahead and hear a main motion uh all right you ready for that all right land use and planning chair councillor nugent uh thank you mayor davis i move city council adopt a resolution of intent to initiate an amendment to the armazoola 2045 land use plan related to the future adoption of the reserve to scott 2026 master plan area plan for the area that includes the north reserve scott street urban renewal district and the area located in missoula county between north reserve street and scott street south of i-90 and north of west broadway street excellent thank you very much motion is on the floor this opens the public hearing and opportunity to make public comment on this agenda item so if there's anybody here that wishes to make public comment on this agenda item now's your time not seeing anybody in the audience that wants to make public comment on this agenda item i'll go online here see if we have anybody anybody online okay not seeing anybody that has their hand raised for public comment so we'll bring it back to council that wraps up our public comment for the public hearing and we'll bring it back to council to see if there's any additional questions or comments from council members all right not seeing any and it's not i know because you're not interested it's because we're resolving to uh initiate an amendment so there's quite a bit of planning to go for this item i just want to re-emphasize that for folks that are watching in the audience online and here in the room this is a relatively comprehensive planning process so yes councilor becerra um just a quick comment and um kudos to everyone involved in this process i attended um one of the public meetings the i don't know a couple of weeks ago i think it was and um it was well attended and there was tons of really good information and so i just want to say thank you for putting on a really a really good um public engagement event appreciate your comments very much thank you thank you any other comments from council all right not seeing any then we can take a roll call vote on this agenda item please all right voting on item 6.2 the public hearing related to a motion to adopt a resolution of intent to initiate an amendment to the armazola 2045 land use plan beginning with campbell yes krask yes jones yes jordan yes mccoy hi melson yes nugent yes ponton yes savage yes cheryl yes and becerra yes that item passes unanimously excellent thank you all very much um my appreciation to the staff and members of the consultant team for being here this evening to walk us through this and um to members of the public please consider engaging in this process on engage missoula if you look up the reserve to scott street master plan there's a lot of uh really great information the boards that were part of the public open house are included and there's a survey open as you saw and uh through june 26th and we need your input it's exciting to think about what might be possible in this area it's very unique to have 235 acres that are open about 187 actually because 47 of those are currently story house movie productions but 185 acres that close to downtown is incredibly unique and your voice is needed so please consider tapping in through engage missoula and there's a survey open through june 26th we'll have another open house this fall all right thanks everybody very much for that i appreciate that all right we'll next move on to our two last public hearings um we're going to hear these two together i'm going to do a quick little temperature check is everybody doing okay on council do we need to take a break before we take this one on okay okay all right excellent so um item 6.3 and 6.4 are related to the uh parks and um aquatics security system upgrades only 6.3 for council members um only 6.3 is technically the public hearing but as you know item 6.4 was um extended from last week to this week so these two items could be heard together and it just made most sense to put them both under a public hearing and what i'd suggest is that we discuss 6.3 and 6.4 together 6.3 is the budget amendment and then 6.4 is the parks and aquatics security system upgrades we discuss those um as you know it's one conversation um take public comment um and then uh each of those motions of course will be voted on separately um before i turn it over to staff members for uh their staff presentation uh i just wanted to take a moment to say that um since the time that we've um the council voted to postpone this from last week to this week um both last week and this week has been we've received a lot of public comment um and i'm really glad that members of the public are here tonight i'm hoping and and i see a number of folks are online as well um i'm really hoping that people have an opportunity to hear the staff presentation and the information that's provided one of the things that i can say is because this uh security cameras uh already exist at a number of city facilities and public facilities not owned by the city uh all over our community um in order to um help help monitor our facilities and make sure that um that we're able to follow up on things like vandalism and a number of other things um and that this is a security system upgrade so we did not anticipate it having so much concern and if we had we would put this information out ahead of time so i we could have done better on that there's a lot of information that we'll be sharing with you tonight um i'm real happy that that we can do that here um and again this is about um information relative to our facilities in parks not all parks not all trails but our existing facilities that already do have security cameras in them this is about the upgrade to that system and then of course the public hearing is around the budget authority to do that um and so i um will say that not only will these uh frequently asked questions or these this information be made available on the city council agenda after the presentation we'll also make sure the information is available on our city website going forward so when people have curiosity about when and how the city uses cameras and our practices we'll make sure that information is available for everybody uh so with that i would like to invite staff members to present on new information that's been provided marina yoshioka parks and recreation director will start out that conversation and um marina whenever you're ready take it away i know you're getting ready and um we're ready for you thank you marina yoshioka parks and recreation director thank you mayor and council members i'm here tonight to present a straightforward and limited facilities upgrade replacing aging outdated security cameras at four city parks facilities with a modern system that will better protect our assets our staff and our community before i go any further i want to acknowledge something directly we've heard concerns about on social media and in our community about mass surveillance and ai technology i want to be clear this proposal is not that and i will walk you through exactly what it is so first and most importantly this project involves four four facilities not all parks in missoula the four facilities are currents aquatic center fort missoula regional park splash montana and mobash skate park cameras are located currently on building corners cash registers or areas where staff count and handle money parking lots and athletic fields and our camera history this is not new parks has operated security cameras since 2006. the proposal before council is about aging infrastructure in need of replacement we've had cameras at currents and splash montana since they were built in 2006 and cameras at fort missoula regional park that were installed at the time of construction in 2014. the existing cameras are outdated and degraded in quality and they provide minimal usable footage something i'll speak more to in a moment with real examples from our incident history and this upgrade is grounded in our 2016 park surveillance policy which has governed camera use in our department for the past decade so how we currently actually use the cameras is that access is extremely limited to the footage the park footage is restricted to designated staff members and currently that is three people in our team and we never watch the footage proactively we do not monitor cameras in real time and we do not even review footage as a matter of routine footage is only reviewed after a specific incident has occurred and if no incidents occur that footage is deleted typically after 30 days so let me walk you through why better cameras are a financially responsible investment for securing community assets these are real incidents from the past few years where camera quality directly affected outcomes so in 2024 at the softball complex out at the fort a concession worker was working a softball tournament and was approached by an intoxicated member of the public who became vulgar and then reached through the concession window in an attempt to grab the staff member police were called footage was requested and the individual was subsequently trespassed and banned for one year this footage helped protect a city employee patron assault in the currents parking lot in 2023 a patron was assaulted in the currents parking lot and missoula police department obtained parking lot video footage as part of their investigation parking lots are where a disproportionate number of our incidents occur theft assault reckless driving and this is one reason we would like to add cameras to parking lots as part of this upgrade in terms of vandalism in 2025 just this past fall the windows at the currents aquatic center were vandalized and by vandalized i mean someone threw rocks through them shattering them and throwing glass and rocks into the pool staff reviewed security footage and discovered that we did not have any camera coverage of that area the perpetrators were never caught and the real cost is borne by the community the facility was shut down for two days the pool had to be drained it had to be vacuumed to recover glass shards and the windows had to be replaced in addition to the cost to the facility there was the lost revenue and community access during the closure and this type of vandalism we know is typically a preventable situation with cameras better camera coverage would have provided evidence at the very least which we do not have also reckless driving in 2024 we had an intoxicated driver plow through the fence at park operations and strike a bunch of vehicles footage was used to identify the individual who subsequently paid restitution and without operable cameras the city would have absorbed that cost also near mobash we have muggings and assaults the missoula police department has made multiple requests for footage related to these muggings and alleged physical assaults near mobash but because we do not have cameras we have been unable to provide evidence and the victims have been unable to get justice and then we have other types of vandalism on the turf which is common at fort missoula regional park but i have two different examples in 2022 two individuals who drove over soccer fields were identified through camera footage and paid restitution however the footage was the quality was poor so it was difficult however they were able to pay restitution and that cost was recuperated however the incident has a larger cost to the community because it forced the rescheduling of youth soccer events and these aren't abstract budget impacts like these are kids and families whose schedules are disrupted because someone damaged community property and the economic effect extends beyond parks canceled tournaments means canceled hotel reservations and canceled traveling for families and the ripple effect of their dollar impacts local restaurants shops and businesses in 2026 earlier this year which is the incident most people are familiar with we had someone drive across the fort fields again the cost of that vandalism was about 30 000 in turf replacement costs and in fees for canceled tournaments we lost about 40 000 so and because there were the footage was not good we have even we have not been able to recuperate those costs through identifying the individuals so what is being installed and where this upgrade that's in front of you today is for replacing existing cameras at the four name facilities i mentioned earlier fort missoula regional park currents aquatic center splash montana and the mobash skate park we're also suggesting adding parking lot cameras at these specific facilities and while these new cameras may have ai features it is not our intent to use them and we plan to not use them a refined faq document has been published with tonight's agenda materials it addresses the most common community questions directly including questions about ai data retention and access i encourage anyone watching tonight to review it in closing this is a modest targeted and fiscally responsible proposal we are protecting public infrastructure pools athletic fields that the missoula community depends on we are protecting city staff from safety incidents and we are providing law enforcement with the tools they need to investigate the real crimes that occur at and around our facilities we have operated cameras in these facilities for nearly two decades under an established policy we are asking to replace equipment that is failing and therefore failing the public with a modern system and a commitment to transparency we have posted faqs we have been transparent about the system as much as we can and we hope to answer more questions for you tonight i'll now turn it over to eric hallstrom chief operating officer for the city to speak more about the technical details of the proposed cameras thank you thank you marina uh thank you marina and mayor and council my name is eric hallstrom for the record as city's chief operations officer and um here today i'm joined also by jesse nidick our it director so we can answer additional questions and provide additional information about um about some of the technical or the the the it strategy aspects of this project so for those counselors that were there last wednesday i talked a little bit about the success that it has had for the city in finding opportunities to uh find cost savings and find efficiencies by coordinating our internal systems and one of the areas of opportunities that we've identified for a while is our site security systems i say site security systems i mean door access controls intrusion detection and security cameras like we're talking about this evening and so not every city department or program is always ready at any given time to upgrade their uh their assets like this so when parks identified uh the life cycle replacement for their cameras as one of their capital projects we provided advice and research and tried to help them identify a vendor that we feel comfortable that we could use sort of in the long term for the city to provide a cohesive set of of security services for our facilities to protect our assets i just want to mention real quickly something about the process uh the procurement process that we use i have seen some comments that have come to counselors that are questioning sort of the use of our third party installate installation provider pine cove is the name of that company and i just want to be very clear and up front this the strategy around using the burkata provider of cameras is something that was developed internally by working with our uh experts in our i.t department as well as collaborating with our county partners and we recommended verkata so the reason we use pine cove as a third-party installer is because they have a relationship with the verkata camera providers not we didn't go to pine cove to solicit our end user provider and that's one that makes a big difference because it's just like the way we provide copiers or other um lease products in the city we have third-party uh uh installers and vendors who provide us the actual physical assets that we contract for um i will also mention that we use a um we rely frequently on the national association of procurement of state procurement officials or naspo they have a purchasing alliance that is uh that municipal organizations like ours can participate in and as a result of using that we uh we have uh strong uh strong agreements or pricing with the vendors that are part of those purchasing alliances and so we did not propose and conduct uh rfp for all of the city systems instead we worked with vendors that were on our purchasing alliance uh uh value point the purchasing alliance tool and that is um so we did our own research we identified this provider as somebody who can meet the city's needs and long-term objectives while still being a a reliable or purchasing them through a reliable procurement uh process i just wanted to take a minute to um walk through several of the question or answers that we provided on this frequently asked questions document we've shared with council it's on the agenda it's for public uh review we have we can answer additional questions tonight but i think there's a few on here that are really important for us to address with the community um we uh first and foremost we were asked uh or um saw in several comments people concerned that the use of security cameras in public locations could infringe on their constitutional right to privacy under the montana constitution and i just want to be clear that the use of uh use of security cameras does not uh provide there's not a risk to uh the constitutional right to privacy uh the the montana constitution we also had heard as marina mentioned we had several comments on the city of the city sitting next to our city attorney so i won't necessarily try to paraphrase their advice but they were very clear about the long the the case history with the montana supreme court about the right to privacy and the expectation of privacy in uh public areas public roads open fields and such so i think it's pretty clear answer that no this does not create a serious violation to the the montana constitution we also heard as marina mentioned we had several people ask if we're doing this to to use ai tools like facial recognition or license plate reading technologies and no the city's not interested in trying to use automatic facial recognition algorithms or lpr tools uh in in the in the parking lots these are simply being used for the purposes that marina mentioned i wanted to i'm not going to there's an overview of why parks is seeking cameras which marina provided a nice explanation for but i wanted to address why the city wants to use ricotta the proposed vendor of these uh of these cameras they're an integrated vendor that provides site security solutions so that unlike just providing camera service or setting up a a individualized local uh camera program this would allow us over time to bring many of our site security system functions under one vendor and one of the reasons that we find that in addition to cost and efficiency and our capability for our staff to actually provide support for like one comprehend one system that is used by many of our departments as opposed to as it is right now many systems that are kind of one-off department by department it's also that's used by the county and we are in the process of developing shared space with the county at the engen former federal building the engen local government building and so having that alignment with the county is really valuable for us we think we can coordinate on the on shared access controls the rfid tags or key fobs let you in and it will let us share some of our uh some of the tools around uh video surveillance technology so people asked who owns and controls the data that the city has city owns and controls its data our vendor ricotta has no access unless we give them access because we ask them to do something with it we can revoke that access if we gave it to them for some reason at any time and um ricotta does not share their client data with um with others unless the clients ask them to do that for a purpose um people ask what protections are in place for this data so i will probably at some point have to defer to our technicians who are better at explaining some of this but the city data in the verkata systems is encrypted both in its transit and when it's at rest they use a 248-bit aes encryption system which is used by a lot of banking data transmission people have asked about the vendor ricotta's past instances of like federal enforcement action many people acknowledge that are recognized that they had a enforcement action through the ftc and doj in 2024 and i've asked about what that means um it really had two components as far as i understand it there's a privacy component and there's a scan spam act component many of you understand can spam act is a marketing uh rule that is government the federal trade commission uses to govern how you can send emails to people who don't opt in and verkata did not have an opt-out link on their unsolicited emails and that generated for them a pretty significant fine to the federal trade commission that is a violation of the ftc regulations around spam but it is not related to their data protection capacity it's a marketing issue the part of the the enforcement action that related to data security related to um the way that the company protected its encryption key that is used by its clients to protect their data and they had policy that allowed them to use a shared encryption key and it was um it was used inappropriately by somebody who had access to that and they have updated as a result of the settlement agreement with the department of justice their security procedures so that that incident incident like that can't happen in the future what policies and procedures do we have in place at the city to protect and govern the use of camera data first of all parks and recreation has a camera policy it's been in place since i think the cameras went in at the parks in 2016 and it would continue to govern the access and use terms for the data that parks use so largely that would continue along the same same model as we have under the current policy i will mention that we have the city will have a limited um of administer we would have a system administrator who can manage the console uh for the control console for the system and that would be um people have asked about how you would toggle on and off capabilities like a facial recognition technology and that is managed through the console that console has limited system administration access that might sit with it as a system administrator it might sit with a particular uh role within parks and recreation um that is a logged and auditable uh feature and so we are not concerned that somebody could surreptitiously activate tools that the city doesn't want operating and and sort of violate people's privacy in that way people asked whether parks shares its camera data with law enforcement i think marina's overview sort of explains that yes in fact we do we share that when we have an incident an assault a theft a vandalism incident where we provide essentially evidence to the police who are looking for the person who was responsible for the incident um we were also asked if the city's been over being overcharged by the cameras there's a lot of i think commentary by members of the public who speculated that they might be able to do a cheaper job at setting up and and sort of getting a local operating uh recording system for uh for camera you know run by the city and so um i think it's really challenging to compare what we're trying to to talk about tonight an integrated um professional security site security provider um it's not really a one-to-one comparison to somebody who can who sets up a local uh camera operation but we feel pretty confident about the pricing that we have we know that ricotta is not going to be the cheapest provider out there um we selected them based on a lot of their capabilities as much as their reliability and redundancies that they provide but we you know want to point out that we're talking about you know in the case of the fort missoula uh installation we have 96 000 in hardware it's hardware cameras but it's also mounting hardware it's the entire process of actually putting stuff up on poles uh installation uh by their providers about 31 000 so this is electrician work and actual physical uh folks on the scene and we also have five-year licensing to the tune of about 49 000 so you're paying sort of you're we're paying our annualized uh licensing costs up front we could have done a 10-year license a five-year license uh is what we seem uh seemed more reasonable it gives us an opportunity to reevaluate our relationship in a shorter period of time to make sure that it is meeting our needs uh 10 years is sort of the life expectancy for the cameras so we we could have negotiated a licensing agreement for the entire life cycle of the the cameras but we chose to do a slightly shorter period to make sure that we can can assess as we go and i think that's the bulk of the questions on the faq that i wanted to walk through i know some of the other counselors have asked questions um i've tried to weave in a few of those answers as i was going and i'm sure that some of you will have additional questions that we can answer as we go this evening so i will stop there thank you mayor absolutely thank you both very much thank you eric thank you marina for staff presentation and information um i will hand it over to council president nugent for a note before we hear the motions uh thank you mayor um i just wanted to note and i sent this to uh council earlier this afternoon um but uh when the motion is put on the floor i'm going to put an amendment on that motion to be contingent on disallowing the use of automated facial recognition or automated license plate readers for parks cameras without specific council approval and that the administration creates a city-wide facility security policy that prohibits the utilization of automated facial recognition and automated license plate reader technology and publish that on the city website and i think i wanted to mention that up front just because we've gotten a lot of um public comment on that and i don't know where this conversation is going to go tonight but i do think generally just knowing most of my colleagues that i think that that would align with what a lot of people think the conversation should start at so all right and i will have questions when the time's excellent well thank you i appreciate you mentioning it that at the start i know that probably is at the top of many people's minds and that's certainly uh on the top of ours as well as administration so we certainly welcome that amendment we have two different motions from two different committees so before we start the public hearing what i'm going to do is ask each of the committee chairs to put those motions on the form we'll start with budget and finance chair jennifer savage and because miss cheryl is remote i'm going to put them both on the floor so perfect i will read them um so thank you uh 6.3 i move that we adopt a resolution for fiscal year 2026 parks and recreation security camera project amendment to the annual appropriations and then 6.4 um i move that we approve and authorize the mayor to sign a contract for security system upgrades for splash montana currents aquatic center mobash skate park and fort missoula regional park and with pine cove consulting in the amount of 366 391.48 pending the request of approval for of the budget amendment for parks and recreation security cameras thank you very much counselor savage and it is um before we go to public comment it is an opportunity for uh council first to ask questions so i'll bring it back to council members counselor nugent i thank you mayor first um i will ask uh vice president savage who made the motion if she accepts uh my friendly amendment to item 6.4 i do okay um so let me pull up i have a handful of questions and i imagine i'll get cut off and i'll have to circle back but uh let's see here um so my first question is for i guess mr hailstrom and i know you you kind of touched on this but uh perhaps you could walk us through this a little bit more or or maybe uh uh mr knighting from from it can logistically we've had a lot of public comment or i say we've had a lot a lot of public comment kind of suggesting that uh it may be easier for the city to just invest in nicer cameras but have like a dvr system or a kind of local network and you touched on that a little bit but i'm wondering if if between the two of you maybe you could walk us through why this is the direction that makes sense and if that's feasible or not i honestly think jesse is the better explainer for this piece mr knighting hey everybody thanks for having me uh jesse knighted it director for the city um i'm supposed to look out of myself right um yeah we've had a lot of questions about can't you do it yourself cheaper i think the short answer is no like we can't realistically do it ourself cheaper to be completely transparent we haven't penciled it out to say could we just hire a full-time technician to go to all of our city locations and do this work it's possible we could look at that i really think though the more this scales the more we look at um our overall goal as eric touched on is to get a unified single standardized security system across the city it's not realistic that even one full-time person for in the it team doing this work would meet our needs why i think that's the case is because i'm working really hard in the it team to cross-train so we don't have single points of failure when one person's out on vacation one person leaves the city and we're like we don't know how to run it anymore which is a real situation we have um this system's big enough broad enough across enough i mean we're talking about parks right now but we have these sort of needs at facilities all over the city and my approach has been we should have a standardized system across all these locations we can delegate that control to people at the organizations like marina said they have three people in parks who have access to their stuff if it runs the single system we can delegate that control the three people at parks can have parks access maybe even police could have access so they don't have to pass things back and forth and create a lot of extra churn internally um and then streets facilities all sorts of facilities that we have all over the city could have the right delegated access instead of us having to do these onesie twosie jobs all over um i think as eric touched on also it's bigger than just cameras we have a need for door security and access we have a need for um intrusion detection you know windows breaking doors being propped open things like that and so i've been looking at a system to do all of that um could we have a person do all of that and build it all in-house maybe that's a pretty expensive person because they're an electrician they're a camera specialist they're a door security specialist they're all the things i just don't know that it's realistic i think it's a much better spend for us to invest ten thousand dollars annually per site is that what it works out to about for this parks rollout to have a team of specialists who do this all over the country for us so does that answer your question i think it's a start i mean i think that the the number 366 000 has a lot of people in the public thinking there has to be a way that the city could could do this more efficiently and i think you're speaking to that i i think also on that and some of the commentary i've seen people have said why don't you just buy some hard drives and run it locally again expertise specialization like we have to run that stuff locally we have to have uh i don't i'm going to call it a server room not a data center because data center is a loaded term right now but we have to have they you know we have the space and power and cooling for all of that equipment to run all those hard drives it's not as simple as buying a hard drive at costco and plugging it in when you start talking about dozens of cameras with super high resolution footage um that takes a lot of space it takes a lot of power it takes a lot of storage um additionally it's not just storage and cameras there's a whole piece of software that manages that access like i talked about delegating the permissions and having the right people have the right access that's complex software we don't have and we can't build in-house and so again we're going to be be buying something or we're going to have to be hiring programmers to build that stuff and so i think it it gets way more complex once you start poking through the surface of just like you're just talking cameras and storage it's not quite that simple so there's a lot of storage it's complex storage there's a lot of we're working at the city to reduce our server room footprint i almost said data center again but our server room footprint and go move things to the cloud that's an expense that we're trying to get out of it's a liability when we have air conditioners fail in our old buildings and all of a sudden our equipment starts overheating we don't really have a lot of answers for it so moving in a lot of that stuff to the cloud i think makes a lot of sense for the city as well um so there's storage cameras have been asked about but i think there's the whole software and integration piece that hasn't really been factored in as well so it gets it gets more complex i don't want to talk too technical too long about it but is there more clarification i can give mike but i think we could probably go much further in depth but i think that that's that's a pretty good base for this conversation i do have a follow-up based on one other thing he said please um you you mentioned kind of access and um there's been a couple different references to to toggling on the services that we don't want and the motion the amendment to the motion clearly uh restricts a couple of the features people are worried about um is there a way that that it or whoever's the kind of super user for the city would know if a member of the park staff toggled on something they weren't supposed to toggle on like how does that control or protection work well i i'm not one of the super users so i'm speaking a little out of turn so take that take this with a grain of salt but i believe that at the tenant-wide city level we it would toggle off uh facial recognition for example is one that was brought up right we would turn it off it wouldn't even be visible for parks and rec staff to turn that back on only the one or two sys admins in it would be able to turn that on or off for the entire tenant for the entire city now how do we know if they turn it on or off well then the people in parks and others would see it as an available option and call us and be like hey why is this on um and it's all logged and auditable so we would be able to tell when and who and why well maybe not why we'd have to ask them why but so so basically the department level users so right now parks and rec but you mentioned others maybe public works maybe the police department they would not have the ability to toggle that on and off that would be above their level of user correct i mean that would be my recommended implementation yes okay um i have one other completely different question and i know that would be my three that's perfect thank you um i'm not sure if this is for you or someone else and and mr halser you may have touched on this but what is the monthly subscription cost to use the system i i understand that it's we are partnering with the county on kind of the backbone of what they already have in place um and what happens if what happens to our data if we don't pay like if we have you know three years of of this footage and then we decide to move on this happens in my world in different eric do you have the cost of brennan well i was just going to mention again this is eric holstrom uh the the cost is we're paying for sort of a five-year license up front and that's the entire subscription so there's not a cost beyond the license we do have some software providers where we pay sort of an annualized cost for the software and then there's also some sort of allocation of license you know a universe of licenses that we have but in this case we're the license is the subscription and so um do you think i have the numbers right in front of you but the the five-year licensing at uh at aquatics which includes mobash and um is about thirty seven thousand dollars a little more thirty eight thousand dollars and the annual licensing for fort missoula is fifty thousand dollars i believe the cost differential has about as much to do with the height the quality of the cameras so you have more cameras at the fort and they have higher sort of visibility and range so you're getting different different types of cameras i think but those two numbers are the licensing costs and then everything else would be the equipment cost and the installation all wrapped into that 366 000 correct yes installation is hold on sorry i switched moved my page installation is about 32 000 at uh at the fort and 43 000 at the aquatics package and the hardware package is about 100 000 96 000 at the fort and 56 000 at aquatics and uh i did want to mention one more thing we wouldn't have three years of data the data expires in 30 days so that's just never going to be a situation that we're in okay so they basically our policy would say it'll go away but if we had a active case or something we could download that specific data even if we moved on from them correct thank you mayor absolutely thanks for your questions uh counselor ponton thank you mayor davis i appreciate the presentation mr holstrom i just uh first question i remember during the initial presentation to the committee i think it was on june 10th as part of that presentation there was a slide deck that had a number of slides for these four different locations is there a comprehensive list or a map that we can see that just kind of details what is a current camera that's being replaced with new equipment and what is being added as far as new equipment is that something that's available so yes and i'm i apologize i know that you sent that and i as you were asking this question realizing we didn't respond with the graphics so lincoln lake i think has shared the the document that has the um the camera locations what i don't think that document and maybe this is the question sort of the or the origination of your question i don't think that camera delineates but or that image delineates between new and replacement my understanding is that it is substantially replacement and there are a couple new cameras that pick up some corners and some isolated areas that were being missed by previous cameras and ryan marina anybody who happens to can speak to that i don't know but we i think we could create from the documents that we have that show camera locations we could probably easily identify for you which couple of those are new i just i just i don't personally know yeah if it's important i'm confident we can get a before and after i i also want to highlight that i think i was i haven't i wasn't in all the planning meetings so i don't know all the look all the camera locations but i do know in one of the meetings i was in we eliminated some cameras too because the new cameras were so much more um higher quality that we didn't need three cameras to cover an area we could put one and it would cover what three cameras had previously covered so we could probably produce a before and after current state and proposed state um i did can i also answer a piece of mike's question that i missed because i did get some help online uh we can set up alerts so if one of the super admins toggles a thing we could get an alert about that and it would notify whoever me or whoever we decided needed to be notified um and then the other piece of your question was what if we sever this contract what happens to our data it's gone ricotta deletes the tenant our data goes away see councilor plenton another one if i may um policies aside i do get the argument for having you know for being on a framework that other entities like missoula county use um is there a channel to purchase the so the required or the desired number of cameras that just simply don't have the functionality that you know has been brought up you know facial recognition license plate technology that sort of thing does that you know exist through verkata no i don't think it exists through verkata i think we did some very cursory research on this last week and i we struggled to find any new security systems that don't have something about ai in their marketing language um i'm not going to say it's impossible but we did a quick search just be like can we even find something back of the napkin to check some of the numbers of proposals people have been like i can just go buy stuff at costco and it does this it's like well what you're getting at costco also has ai like ring cameras and other stuff like have the same sort of tool sets built in um so i'm not going to tell you we can't do it because i don't i don't know we haven't tried to do it i think it would be a pretty substantial project to try and rebuild something like this on our own one final question please um so the cloud is that on verkata servers you know if they're sock 2 compliant the last audit findings i could find online were from 2022. i believe so i can verify that um when you say they're on their servers i suspect they are hosting with like aws and other tenant and other cloud providers so we could get that information for sure thank you welcome you bet thanks for your questions uh counselor becerra i'm laughing because i'm not a very technical person so i am gonna ask this in a very simple way and um it i guess i want to know are our cameras at risk of not functioning anymore or what is the longevity of the cameras that we currently have and i ask this because i am trying to think of this as the way i think about cell phones um if we think of the cameras that we have right now as a dumb phone why are we buying a smartphone that we're not going to enable to use all its potential you want me to feel that eric i mean i i just i guess i will start by saying that um as jesse pointed out like the project of buying um a dumb phone or a dumb camera is a lot more complicated than simply buying the the current types of cameras that are widely available by the main producers so to jesse's point it's something we could probably establish in house it would take a lot of time and capacity and staffing and we'd have to build some expertise but i don't know that we could do it with dumb cameras i think we'd still probably be in a position where we're buying products that are touted as having ai capabilities um when we buy our laptops they are advertised as ai capable laptops why because they added additional ram into the computer so that they can say that they're ai capable and there is a lot of that within the technology marketing space right now people are familiar with the technology market there's a lot of effort to use ai as a sales point but that's not what drove us to verkata as a provider we went there because we like their software we like their integrated systems we know that they are reliable we know that they work with our partners and we know that we can get what we want out of this tool and so those are sort of the things that brought us to this uh provider um i sort of had the same reaction that you did like why why do we need to buy the things that we don't need um but i think that's the way that people are marketing their products anymore and so i think you will be hard pressed to find sort of higher quality products uh these days that don't that sort of tout their inability to use ai or modern uh or sort of modern uh tools like that so um i think that's the the best answer is like you you i think jesse's right you could you could probably identify and find some of the sort of dumb cameras as you say but to your earlier point i guess i also wanted to speak to this yes we are we are in danger of our some of our cameras no longer providing the quality of service that they used to be able to provide so just you might get a camera that is capable of doing things that we don't need but it's also a much better camera and so like that alone is valuable from our standpoint i would just add i don't want to put words in parks mouths about what your cameras are aren't doing right now but i know at the pedestrian bridge um we were asked to come help because the cameras there were failing they were failed i mean i think that's part of why maybe the elevators are no longer functioning there is they were vandalized one too many times there wasn't the cameras were failing so there wasn't a way to recover any costs on those and so we put new cameras in over there but i think some of the so to speak the damage had already been done and so i think there is a real risk of letting these things run for 20 years when they're probably were only designed to run for three or four um i mean kudos to us for stretching them as long as we may have but i think there's also a real risk that we don't know what's not working until we go to get the footage and it's not there thank you thanks for your questions counselor campbell thank you madam mayor um i appreciate councilman nugent's amendment uh doing with uh potential use of ai as far as like banning or with regards to facial recognition or license for leading uh technologies like that and to disallow that unless it's brought back before this body and we agree to it at some future time as i understand it but for the here and now that that's completely off the table and i appreciate that the concern i have outside of that is um the amendment also talks a little bit about developing a policy going forward and i think um most people in this room and staff i had sent out a model policy um drafted by all people american civil liberties union who i'm not always aligned with but in this case you know they have a enact to promote transparency and protect civil rights and civil liberties with respect to surveillance technology i just i don't know if anyone had a chance to reveal it or look at it's a 10 page deal but one thing i appreciate out of that in addition to concerns we have with artificial intelligence is just the oversight and transparency and accountability aspect that's present within the document i'm just wondering if going forward are we giving thought to creating a system where you know there is citizen oversight or some sort of accounting accountability and transparency measure in place at a citizen level that can interface with government and i i think it's necessary because otherwise we're left with you know we're not going to use space or rec we're not going to use license plate readers uh trust us so i think we need it's like where's the beef in that going forward to ensure that you know we could have a system in place that the public could feel confident that you know there is oversight and accountability Yeah, if I may, thank you, Councillor Campbell. And I appreciate that. I sort of took Council President's amendment to sort of get to your point here. And that is that, you know, a policy is going to be the vehicle by which administratively we can actually exercise the control that you're looking for. That's a policy that would be publicly reviewable and something that we'd want to share and people could access from the website. So to that point, yeah, I think that's where the beef probably is going to be seen. I had a chance to look a little bit at the materials that you shared. And we also use that to sort of identify some other communities that have implemented policies around what sometimes is called surveillance technology. It's a little different. It's not an AI or, you know, algorithmic technology or facial recognition policy specifically. It's more about how do we use cameras? How do we use these security features that allow us to or have images of the public? And so I think to your point, that's the way that we can earn the public's trust and be honest and clear about what it is that we are and are not doing with those technologies. And so I think city policy in some sort of way is the best way to meet the goal that you're sort of identifying here, which is something more than just trust us, but essentially focusing on limiting our ability to use some of the most, the technologies that are the greatest concern with the technologies that are the greatest concern with the community specifically in this case, facial recognition and LPR technologies, but could be could reach other things too and include some of those protections and oversight features. One thing I mentioned is that that's the policy that would identify our internal controls so that we can audit and verify that we are doing in fact what we say we're going to do. So maybe that's an annual review of the audit logs. Maybe there's a variety of things. We do this all the time in the financial space where we have internal controls to ensure that we adhere to the policy that we set forth and we would do something like that here. I appreciate everything you just said. I think it's just so important going forward. And even in a way, looking back at our existing surveillance that we have here, make sure we apply a system going forward because technology is just improving leaps and bounds. It seems like every week there's some new technology, some new way of using technology that may or may not be in the best interest of citizens. So with that, I'm going to move that we send this back to the committee. And I want to send this back to the committee because I think it's important to have the accountability piece in place first and foremost, to have a system in place where once we get to the point of actually putting the hardware and software in place, that citizenry could feel confident that we have oversight, we have transparency, and all those pieces are in place. I think it just, you know, the benefit of having that in place far out, far exceeds, you know, the short-term loss that we may have because the contract expires in 30 days or we don't have a price guarantee any longer. I think having that in place and having a system, you know, involving citizenry, perhaps an oversight committee of some sort that, you know, we would mutually agree upon, would be good to get the public behind doing what we say that we're going to do, which is to have a system in place to, you know, look for bad guys and not, you know, be mechanically surveilling our citizenry actively 24-7 as, you know, some of the concerns that have been brought forward. All those mechanisms you mentioned, Eric, are in place first. So my motion is to send this back to committee pending approval of a surveillance technology policy. Councilor Campbell, is that for both 6-3 and 6-4, both items? Correct. Okay. All right. So there is a motion to send back to committee, which needs to be dispensed prior to moving forward. Councilor Nugent. Thank you, Mayor. I'm actually not opposed to council doing whatever as far as going back to committee or not, but I think there's a lot of hands up from council members still and some more discussion to be had. So at least for the moment, I will not be voting to send it back to committee. Yeah. Okay. Until we can get through these questions. Okay. Okay. Well, there's a motion to send this back to committee, so we need to dispense of that item first before we can unfortunately answer the rest of those questions. Unless, Councilor Campbell, you wish to withdraw your motion until these questions get answered. Or would you like to dispense of your motion first? I'd think I'd like to have a vote now. Okay. Great. Roll call vote, please, on sending this procedural item. Procedurally send this back to committee. All right. Voting on to send items 6.3 and 6.4 back to committee, beginning with Krask. Yes. Jones. No. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Yes. Melson. Yes. Nugent. No. Ponton. Yes. Savage. Yes. Cheryl. No. Becerra. Yes. And Campbell. Yes. That has 8 in favor, 3 opposed. The motion does pass. Okay. Great, folks. I understand that you haven't used the ads, but you remember what I asked you earlier. Please, no applause. I understand you're excited. But, yeah. And I appreciate that you want to, but you can have first men write all you want. But in council chambers, we do ask that you hold the decorum rule, sir. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. All right, folks. So there has been a procedural move to send this back to committee. And I will look to our city attorney here. This procedurally has been sent back to committee, so we have concluded the public hearing on this agenda item. I will say that there will be a whole lot of time for public comment at that committee, although we do have members of the public that came down tonight. And so, Mr. Sudbury, I'm looking to you for guidance in regards to procedurally. I mean, we just sent this back to committee, so I would say that that's what we'll stick with. I mean, we sent it back to committee while staff was here to hear public comment and ask questions. And I think it was irresponsible, but that's what we just did. Yeah, if this comes back, we'll have to hold a public hearing because we haven't held the hearing yet. We haven't taken public comment. Okay, great. All right. So then I would say that members of the public, you continue to still send comments if you wish. There's a lot of information available online. I hope that you do that. This is sent back to committee. We're assuming this is sent back when? We don't know when this will be scheduled, I'm assuming. Madam Mayor, point of order, if you don't mind. We respectfully have a bunch of folks who took time to come here tonight who may not be able to come on a Wednesday committee day to offer their comments. Could we please make an exception and let all of the public commenters who came down tonight share their comments? I will add, though, that there will be another public hearing, assuming it leaves committee. So you do understand that there will be a public hearing associated with that. I understand. They're here tonight, and we don't know what it took for them to get here tonight. And so it might be really nice to see you. I can appreciate your comment. Yeah, I can appreciate your comment. Councilor Nugent, did you have something that you wanted to mention? I mean, I don't object to doing that, but that was the point I was trying to make. And I wish everybody would have paused because we could have done all this, worked with staff, then sent it back to committee. And I think it's unfortunate that we have staff here as well to talk about it. So I don't disagree with your sentiment. I mean, if we want to, you know, without objection, hear public comment on it. But there's no action item tonight now. Sure. And I agree with basically from a procedural perspective. I hope you can respect that. That's the point of having had the opportunity to walk through all questions, have the staff be able to answer those. But that's okay. Could we not suspend the rules to allow for public comment? Yeah, I believe we can go ahead and just take public comment. That's fine. Absolutely. Okay. All right. So then all of the council members that have had your hands raised, we'll go ahead and assume that your questions have not been, won't be asked. We'll move on to public comment now. Councilor Campbell, your hand is still raised. Are you all finished? Thank you. Okay. So as mentioned, this is going back to committee, as you're aware. But we will go ahead and open it up for public comment. I'll remind folks that you have three minutes for public comment. I'll time that for you up here. I'll ask that we'll start with folks in the room and then we can move on to folks that are online. I'll also remind you, though, that there are rules of decorum in our council chambers. So we do ask for folks to be respectful of one another. We do ask folks to be truthful. And we do ask you to state your name for the record. So come on up. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Nathan Stevens. For the record, Stevens is spelled S-T-E-P-H-E-N-S, just like the avenue here in Missoula. I'm a Ward 4 resident and lifelong Missoula. I'm not here to argue against security cameras. I'm here because this specific contract with this company through this vendor is the wrong choice for Missoula. Less than two years ago, Verkata was fined $2.95 million by the Federal Trade Commission and the Department of Justice for failing to secure customer data and making deceptive privacy promises. This was the largest canned spam act in history. That is federal record. In 2021, hackers accessed live camera feeds from 150,000 Verkata customers, including hospitals, schools, prisons. And Verkata did not even know that they had been breached until hackers told the media. This is the company the city wants to hand the keys to our parks. Parks and Recs told the Missoula these cameras can't read license plates or use facial recognition. That's not accurate. Verkata's own documentation confirms both capabilities are built into the hardware and activated by software toggle. No additional equipment required. Montana law already bans real-time facial recognition in public spaces. The city is about to purchase hardware with a built-in legal capability and no contractual prohibition on activating it. Pine Cove Consulting, the company that responded to the city's RFP, is Verkata's exclusive preferred partner for the entire Rocky Mountain region. By their own published materials, Pine Cove generates 30% more profit from Verkata sales. Pine Cove's financial relationship with Verkata was never raised, never discussed, and never presented to this council as a material consideration. This council has received a detailed research report with 23 cited sources documenting Verkata's history of security failures, federal enforcement actions, and Pine Cove's undisclosed financial conflict of interest. You have had the information. Tonight is the moment to act on. Now that you've sent it back, I guess it's not. But if it was, I'd tell you to vote no tonight. I'd tell you to rebid this contract, requiring a binding ordinance before any artificial intelligent feature can be activated, without public consent by staff, Verkata, or any bad actors. Please stop saying this is a reliable product, when clearly it is not. Please, get this right, and respect the community's best interest. You shouldn't be partnering with big tech that's toxic. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Stevens. Thank you for your comment. Any additional public comment in the audience? Come on up. I am. Okay. Will you give me a little hand if it's you? I got this little wicket right here. 30 seconds, that little yellow light. So, three minutes it starts, and then a little yellow light will go off, and then red it when you're done. For the record, Leah Bossler, spelled L-E-A, no H, B-O-S-S-L-E-R. Also, for the record, I have lived in the city of Missoula from 2008 to, what was that, end of 2024. I moved out of Missoula due to the housing crisis. Yay, we love that. I also just came back from the Democrat Party Platform Convention. Now, let's be real about who your guys' voters are, or the seats you're sitting in, okay? I'm just going to read something. We oppose the use of mass surveillance systems in the United States by any entity for any purpose, including use of law enforcement agencies in crime detection, evaluation, or punishment. Add to action item. Now, I added a friendly amendment to this. This is my work. To guarantee our right to privacy as per our Montana state constitution. It was brought up earlier that this has not been found unconstitutional. I'm going to remind you that MCA can change, and the constitution can change. And those conversations are happening in the party that is the majority of your voters. Now, I'll also say that the myth that cameras solves crime is false, and I'm living proof of that. I'm a six-time sexual assault survivor. Three times, I went to the police, including Missoula Police Department and University of Montana Police. And they said, sorry, you don't have any proof, even when I'm bruising on my neck. I see your sticker on your laptop. In 2008, I almost was abducted in Billings. Now, I carpooled and combined on hotels. I didn't know which hotel I was going to in Billings for this weekend for the Dem Convention. It was the same hotel I almost got abducted from. The same bush that I hid in to escape four traffickers is still there. There are security cameras. Because of my sexual abuse history, I tracked security cameras. When I was stable, I called Billings Police and I asked them to look at the security cameras. Guess how many reports have ever been filed for sexual abuse I've endured? Zero. Thank you for your comments this evening, Ms. Bosler. I appreciate you coming down. Anybody else for public comment in the audience? Come on up. Ma'am, you're welcome to queue up if that's easier for you. Come on up after this commenter. Okay, great. Thank you. Hello. This is Heather. My name is Heather Reel. And I just wanted to say that Parks and Rec told the Missoulian that these AI security cameras from Verkata can't read license plates or use facial recognition, which isn't true. Their own documentation says otherwise. It is a software switch and there's nothing to stop it from being turned on. These cameras will be hacked and jeopardizes our most vulnerable people in our communities, our children. If you don't support pedophilia, please vote no on having these cameras in our public parks. Thank you. It starts with just those four parks. Eventually, it's going to lead to all of our parks having these cameras. I'm not okay with this. It does not make me feel safe in my community. Thank you. Thank you for coming down. Thanks for making public comment this evening. All right. Come on up. Hello. My name is Jennifer Stevens. S-T-E-P-H-E-N-S. So I run the Missoula Small Business Development Center. I've worked with economic development for about 20 years. But I'm not here in that capacity. I'm here in my personal capacity. I'm bringing that up because I was planning to talk about some of the cost savings that could come from non-AI cameras. And I've heard the reasons for why it's less expensive to use the Ricotta ones because other people are using them and so on and so forth. And how it would be hard to create an IT department. And it would take effort and it would take money to create an IT department that could utilize those cameras that are not sending data to the cloud. But that's what we're here to do. Like, it's important to do the hard thing. The University of Montana is a large organization and they keep their data safe by they have created their own digital spaces that are exclusively controlled by the UM tech team and do not have cloud connections because they have important stuff going on there. Research, confidential, other confidential things that they need to do. So I know it's possible. And even if it's hard, it's something I think that it's worth it. Does it make sense to trust the Ricotta company after a breach? Does it make sense to take a company's word that it will delete every video after 30 days? Does the compatibility and the ease of use of these systems make it worth it when they could be more easily exploited by bad actors? Also, if you're considering the surveillance state, I understand, like, it's annoying to use multiple systems. But that's what we're here to do is provide security and safety and efficiency for people, not just make it easy. Ricotta also has cameras in the Missoula County Health Department, Missoula County Sheriff's Office, Missoula County Public Works, Missoula County Election Center, Missoula County Fairgrounds, and other critical public locations throughout the country. That's from a case study that Pine Cove put out touting its good work in Missoula County. So joining that network is not necessarily a good thing for the community. It just makes us more tied into this growing national surveillance piece. Thank you, Miss Stevens. Thanks for your comment. Hi, I'm Suzette Dusso, and I really want to thank you for allowing all of us to speak tonight. Many of us cannot come during the day, and this is so important. So I am here to say I appreciate our tech guys. All of us have used tech guys and depended on them at work for this, for that. We rely on technology quite a bit. But I'm afraid we're looking at tech as a solution to a huge set of problems. And this is not where I want my resources to go. Sure, let's have surveillance at critical places like banks, like courtrooms, like very, very, very sensitive areas where real threats can be. Let's not have them in our parks. Let's put those resources to other good uses. There are so many things that need to be done in our community. Not just housing, but we need child care. We need after-school care. We need so many services for the people struggling with addiction and with depression. So we will never fix all of society's problems. We'll never prevent all of the vandalism. But I think what we need to do is really choose how we use our resources and use them wisely. And use them in a way that is going to really address the core issues happening in our communities. So thank you very much for giving us an opportunity to speak tonight. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Dusso. Other members of the public wishing to make public comment. Good evening, Mayor, City Councilman, and women. Mark Anderlik, A-N-D-E-R-L-I-K. I live in Ward 3 now. So just a couple of quick thoughts about why I'm here. It's really why I came down was about trust. As Councilman Campbell said very eloquently, it is a matter about trust. And I think that you've gotten an earful from constituents about no AI, right? And that data centers are toxic. So it will take some work. You know, it doesn't necessarily mean you have to go along with how the marketing is going, as is very obvious and everything is AI-centric. I don't think that that's something that, you know, as protecting the security of citizens, you're going to have to put in extra work. And perhaps you might be able to save some money in that case. But certainly building the trust of the community is actually the only way that we can survive as a community, is that we trust our government, okay? And I also think that, you know, I do know about Lowe's has Flock surveillance cameras in their parking lots. They, we went to talk to Flock, or to Lowe's, to the manager there, and asked, you know, what about these surveillance cameras? He says, oh, no, we have complete control over that data. Well, we didn't inform them, but there's plenty of evidence that Flock just shares that information with law enforcement, especially ICE. And ICE has been doing raids in both Lowe's and Home Depot. But the Lowe's here has two Flock cameras. So that's a, that's a trust issue, okay? And if you can't overcome that, I think, as Ms. Dussaud said, I think we need to be looking at other solutions here, and perhaps really feel like that a large part of crime is really due to social economic distress. And we have plenty of that going on right now. No amount of cameras is going to solve that. So you have a lot of work ahead of you, but I think that to win the trust of Missoulians, I think you need to put that in. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Anderlich. Anybody else for public comment? Come on up. Good evening. My name is Kevin Hutt. I live in Ward 1. And as we're approaching the 250th anniversary of this country, where a revolution was sparked largely because of general warrants and writs of assistance and mass invasions of privacy by an oppressive government, it's only appropriate that we are considering this now. And I have to invoke a name tonight. And it's the name Bob Campbell. And it's two men named Bob Campbell. One is our luster's Bob Campbell here. And the other is Robert J. Campbell, late Robert J. Campbell, who I knew very well was a mentor of mine and who sat in seat 23 at the Montana Constitutional Convention and drafted Article 2, Section 10, our right of privacy. I've read all the debates. I know what people intended there. And what they intended was that Big Sky Montana not turn into Big Spy Montana. Okay? That's what we want. And I just want to thank Council President Nugent and Councillor Campbell for their suggestions. But I suggest you go farther. I don't think a policy is enough. I think we need an ordinance. We need a city ordinance that governs the handling of this kind of information and surveillance data. And I think in addition to not regularly permitting use of license plate reading and facial recognition, these systems should not be capable or allowed to interface with other networks such as FLOC, and all of these things that are coming now to create a mass surveillance society. You need a policy as to what you're going to do when ICE comes in and asks for things. I don't think it's okay just to allow a couple people in the police department to be able to have access to this. I agree that the city council could have to approve those kinds of things. I think the citizens should have the right in a public hearing and have input on draft-general policy. And that can help us not be a Big Spy Montana. So I hope you'll take those things. Oh, one other thing. If you go down this road of relying on the reasonable expectation of privacy tests, this is what's going to happen to you. The way you destroy the privacy to which the Constitution guarantees us as a right, the way you do that is to destroy the expectation of privacy by violating it everywhere. That's pretty simple. Put a camera everywhere. Somebody goes to court and says, geez, I got mass surveillance. They're filming me. And it's like, I'm sorry, sir. Those cameras exist everywhere. You didn't have a reasonable expectation. Let's not go down that road. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hunt. Additional public comment. Come on up. Hi. My name is Jane Borish, B-O-R-I-S-H. And I have been a resident of Ward 2 of Missoula for about 15 years. I want to thank you all for having the patience and taking the time to allow us to speak. I will try not to repeat what some of the other speakers have said. First, Marina spent a lot of time talking about why security cameras were necessary. And I think most of us here would agree that we need security and do not mind the idea of security cameras. It's the idea of a toggle switch that can be flipped to provide surveillance. There are many questions that I think some of us have regarding this particular contract, one of which is the vested interest of Pine Cove in marketing this product. Did Pine Cove offer any other solutions to the security camera issue? Were there other firms presented that might not have been of benefit financially to Pine Cove? It has come up also that you will delete your data after a month or so. But does Mercado delete this data? It's already known that they share data with companies such as Amazon and with multinational companies. Where does that data go? And then there's the culture of this company. The four men who were found to be sexually harassing female employees were never fired. They're still in the company. And when you also look at 150,000 cameras being hacked and they say it can't happen again, I don't know about that. So you're dealing with a company that has had issues of gross ethical misconduct. And I don't think that you can guarantee that there will not be a break. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Borch. Thanks for your comments. Next public comment. Come on up. Hi, my name is Luke Santora. You can just lift the hole. This is classic. Oh, great. I'll try to wrap it on when I get it done. I live in Missoula for 13 years since I was 18. Rent used to be a lot cheaper. The entire premise of this conversation is contrived and preposterous. This is very simple. Don't do the AI cameras. This has felt like a song and dance with a lot of spacious arguments. Pine Cove and Verkata are the bad guys. It's really obvious you're being sold a monorail. This is a deal with the devil for peanuts. People don't care about the cameras. They care about the AI in the cameras. And I understand this is going to be a massive pain in the ass to unwind this relationship and find the answer we want. And I got sympathy for y'all, the laborers, the workers, for how much work is going to be. But you just got to do it. It's going to suck for a year, but you can figure it out. And you know that. And we know that. This is a tiny Pandora's box that you cannot close. And it will keep spewing out surveillance state technology whether you want it or not. The AI toggle is off until it's turned on. We don't care about a snidely whiplash villain sneaking into the IT department and turning the AI on. We don't want you, the city, to have that capability. We don't want the feds who, you know, are playing very nice right now to be able to turn it on whether you want it or not. We want it to be categorically impossible. You don't have nearly as much control over this as you think. What do you think block-type cameras in the parks looks like in 5 or 10 or 30 years? Do you want to live in that zoo town? Is it still going to be zoo town? Will it be that much fun to live here? Your cost-benefit analysis is sophisticated napkin math. There are tremendous, less tangible, qualitative costs that you are not considering. And if you said those cameras have 10-year lifespans, if you're really trying to stop vandalism, you better run a killer PR campaign because I bet they're not going to last six months. Thank you for your comments and thanks for wrapping that back around there. Appreciate that. Awesome. Just for folks' information, you can move the arm of the mic so you don't have to bend over. Next public comment. Come on up. Hi, Mayor Davis and members of the council. My name is Andrea Schaefer and I live in Ward 1 and adjacent to Kiwanis Park. I understand Kiwanis Park isn't on the list, but I do think my experience living right next to across the street from a high-used park is relevant to other people's experiences across the city. Living next to a high-used park comes with many perks and also inconveniences, but having AI cameras in the park is not going to solve any of the issues that I experience using the park. Three times a day, every single day. When I, oh, sorry. I've never seen material vandalism or crime, but what I do see is a whole lot of garbage and a lot of dog poop. So maybe we could focus on that. These things are easily solvable and these cameras are a solution in search of a problem. They will push the public away from feeling safe to gather and create community in our parks, which is the purpose that they are meant to serve in our community. As this program continues to expand, I would expect that Karis and Kiwanis would be high on the list as high-use parks where there's been a lot of investment into the facilities. And how are you going to protect the privacy of those who live across the street or directly adjacent to the parks? They bought that house before the parks came in. They're going to and from their home. They're sitting in their front yard. How are you going to make sure that there is not spillover of those cameras and violate people's privacy who live close to the parks? Lastly, I do want to thank the council for being so responsive to the public's sentiments towards this proposal. I think this is a beautiful part of the system that you get to put out ideas and we get to respond. I would encourage those of you who serve on the committee this is being referred to, to vote it down. You've heard everyone's opinions. We all shouldn't have to come out here three more times in order to speak against this when we have made our voices heard right now. So I want to thank you all for your time and I hope you all get home safe. Thanks. Thank you, Ms. Schaefer. All right. Next public comment. Come on up. Hello. My name is Brad Critton. I live in Ward 3. And first, I want to thank the Parks Department for elucidating on what I think is a pretty sensible policy as far as their data management. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. I want to thank the Parks Department for the public's work. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And something I don't think people have discussed as much, listening to some explanations about why we were going towards the Verkata cameras, there's a lot of discussion of streamlining and centralizing the surveillance, and there's not really any concern about phrasing that way. And I think that's a large part of the concern is that collecting all of that data in one spot makes it much more vulnerable. Putting on the cloud makes it a great target. It's going to be with everybody else's data. That's something that concerns me. Thank you. Thank you very much for your comments this evening. Next public comment. Come on up. Anybody else for an additional public comment? No. No. No. No. Hello, my name is Sierra Shaw and I have lived in the heart of Missoula for the past ten years and this is my first hearing, so I'm excited to just be involved in the community. Welcome. One of the big questions I have is does it cost more or less? Do we get a discount for not using AI? If it doesn't cost anything to use AI, that means we're the product. The purpose of AI, excuse me, I'm not a great public speaker, but the purpose of AI is not to provide a service, it's to gather data. The reason AI software works like it does now is because it gathered data without consent. Just because the city cannot access data after the 30 days does not mean it magically disappears from the cloud. I think it's pretty common knowledge that once you upload something to the internet or the cloud, it stays there. You would simply lose access to the data. You have no way of knowing how they are using it after the fact. Just because you turn off a feature for you does not mean they're not using it in the background. I have something that's very concerning for me as well is that we are possibly putting these cameras that have possible AI tools that might not have a choice using it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. I think it's a good way of knowing that you're using it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. You can see it in the future. 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And I think AI is bad. I hate it. The end. Thanks for your comments tonight, Ms. Shaw. All right. Next public comment. Come on up. Hello again, counselors. Mayor Davis, James Crosby, Ward 1. This -- first, I do want to thank staff for a very thoughtful presentation, for taking the time to answer our questions and putting together a comprehensive outline of what we have available. My comment is that this is our chance to make it known that we don't want this. We don't want AI. And to borrow from Counselor Becerra -- Counselor Becerra's very apropos analogy, give us a dumb phone. Give us back our flip phone. That is what we trust. We don't trust. We don't trust big tech. They have lied to our faces repeatedly. As a millennial, I am one of the many who were absolutely shocked to find out that Snapchat did not actually delete the posts that were supposed to be temporary. That stuff was supposed to go away, but it didn't. So I am skeptical from the start of their promises. When I was in my early 20s, I learned how to use tools. I learned how to use a screw gun and a saw, and I thought this would be a great opportunity to build my own bookshelf instead of going to IKEA and buying one. What I learned was that it was probably four times more expensive to build my own. But that did make me appreciate the one that I eventually did buy. I think this is a chance for Missoula to do what Missoula does best. Go slow and make an informed decision. Let's price out the opportunity to have our own controlled camera systems, our own servers, and to keep this data in our own hands under our own control because we don't trust the people who are promising us that we can trust them. That is just a fundamental problem. But I want to thank Councillor Nugent for your friendly amendment. I want to thank Councillor Campbell for making the strong point that we need to have the accountability in place. And I want to thank you all for taking the time to hear us tonight. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Crosby. All right. Next public comment. Come on up. Hi, everyone. My name is Brian Myers. I'm a resident of Ward 3. I've been in Missoula for 15 years-ish. But more importantly, I am. I'm a software engineer. I've been a software engineer for about 20 years now. I am a member of big tech and I hate it. It has become toxic to the point of me wanting to never touch the computer again. AI has been pushed into every facet of everything we do. It is in the workflow that we have, but it's also in the product that we produce. And it's happening so fast that there's this drive to produce the next big thing. And the mechanisms in place to kind of slow things down and make sure things are really working well and things are secure. Like they exist, but kind of on paper only. And it's sort of concerning to see the amount of places that AI is showing up and the ways that people are going to be using it because we honestly don't really understand how big and how powerful it can be yet. And what, when a company like Vertecca, Vercata, Vercata is going to be like putting it as a feature that you can turn on and off. That means that it's going to always be there ready to be turned on. And that means it's probably processing the data and just like forgetting about it or not showing you it. I don't, I don't know the details. I can't, I can't actually say what they're doing with it, but I would be very concerned and I would want some more information and maybe some guarantees and how those things work. And in general, just kind of to echo a lot of the people here, it would be great to take a stand and say, let's build our own thing because we don't want this AI thing. And if you're looking for workers, I know many recently fired engineers who are looking for work and probably be at a good price. So thank you. Thank you, Mr. Myers. Thanks for your comments. Next public comment. Come on up. Howdy. Nolan Frye, IT guy. I'm nervous, sweaty. I'll try not to run down the clock. So I'm going to speak real fast. A lot of this I got from the agenda today. So 50K over five years. Cool. But there's also 30K for the Wi-Fi costs over 10 years. We're looking at about 160,000. The cost I'm not so much worried about. I think I'm on board with everybody else that we just don't want the AI portion of it. So also there was only like a one year warranty on the agenda. So if camera breaks after two years, what happens there? The limited access. So we'd have three people from Parks and Rec. I imagine two people from the department or Montana State Department IT. And then also police was mentioned. So like, where's that goalpost going to keep getting moved to on who has access? Also seemed that it was hinted at a citywide refurbishment of cameras. Maybe I misheard that. I'm not 100% sure. Let's see here. My voice cracking. It's not super proactive. It's mostly reactive. I totally understand that. It's cameras. It's how they work. Recovering costs. Oftentimes people who do the vandalism, they don't have a lot of money. So I'm not really sure how much we're hoping to pull back from this. Regarding that intent and plan for the AI. Anything that's like said, even on camera, written down by city council, other politicians, whatever it might be. Nobody really trusts that anymore. We just need products that just don't have it. I think that's the only way to really get this pushed through and not lose the trust of a lot of Missoulians in the county and the city. Let's see here. I think that's the only way to do that. I think that's the only way to do that. 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Hello, Missoula city council members. My name is Madison Morgan, and I'm here today speaking on behalf of Ford Montana to oppose the Missoula parks for Cata security camera contract with Pine Cove Consulting. As a young woman, I have to remain hypervigilant of my safety and keep an eye on my surroundings at all times when I'm alone in public outdoor spaces. It can be incredibly draining at times, scary and is always frustrating. It's frustrating when I'm on a run at Fort Missoula training for an upcoming race where I'm going for a new personal best and I'm holding back to keep enough energy in my tank in case I have to run from danger. It's frustrating when I'm with one of my best friends at Mobash skate park who has been easing me into her favorite hobby, but we can't pay attention to the lesson fully because there's always underlying concern nagging at us. It's even frustrating when I am dedicating time to overthinking what bathing suit is going to keep me safest when I go to places like Splash Montana. Whatever your personal reasoning is for seeking more safety within our community, I resonate with you deeply. Who doesn't want proactive measures to protect Missoula and ensure safe recreation in our city parks? However, I'm appalled by the fact that the security cameras have built in facial recognition, license plate recognition and people tracking abilities. We are told the cameras are not to be used for such a thing, but the software is built in to be used whenever is seen fit with no legal requirement for approval to deploy such AI tools. The integration of AI into society at such a rapid rate is unprecedented, and while the city is unconcerned by this, its citizens are. We've all heard the rhetoric that if you have nothing to hide, you'll be okay. But this gross overstep goes beyond catching criminals. To me, it really seems like a thinly veiled way to target unhoused individuals that utilize these spaces at a higher rate than the rest of the population. And if I can't appeal to your humanity, then I will go back to Article 2, Section 10 of the Montana Constitution that states that individual privacy shall not be infringed upon without compelling state interest. You argue that this is not unconstitutional, but I argue that may be the case now, but watch the security system be abused to make it so. These cameras can capture the likeness of any of the 76% of Missoulians who have visited a city park in the past year. We could say there is no telling what they will use our information for, but we already know the company of Ricotta was hacked in 2021, which led to a data breach of over 150,000 cameras. Not to mention the highly disturbing fact that before this data breach ever occurred, the employees were caught photographing their women co-workers via the cameras to objectify them behind their backs. Knowing the potential of this only makes me more terrified to be out in public spaces as a woman. Nothing could make me feel more infringed upon. Nothing seems compelling enough to spend almost $370,000 and after five years, more subscription costs to sign our freedom away and keep them in business. Whether you worry about the same things as me, we are all Montanans at the end of the day. I don't know about all of you here today, but every resident of Montana I know values our deeply ingrained tradition and right to privacy as a state. A right to not have our data leaked, to not be policed for utilizing public resources, a right to not be exploited for financial gain. Thank you. Thank you for your comments this evening. Anybody else for public comment? Matt Slarson Ward 3. I just, I don't know where to start with a few particular members of this council that received my request for the ALPR policy required by 46-5-117 and -118 from the police department. Which uses ALPR images from the mall and from Lowe's currently in investigations, but they do not have a retention policy. They do not have access logs. They do not have yearly audits of this. This is a thing that's already in place that many of you who actually read my emails and I know that's a lot to ask, but, and Sean, yeah, good guy. So, um, anyway, I don't want to like reiterate the past here or just like the history of the five valleys, but you know, we participate since 1990 with the U.S. Marshalls Service. Um, and there, there just happens to be like this whole idea here that we're like a sanctuary state, but there's actually big body planes with locking doors from the outside. So that by companies like CSI and companies like key lime and companies like Denver, Denver air transport, they transport people into the federal prison system from our jail and have since the nineties. They also transport ICE detainees. But the inlet for all ICE detainees in the state is in Great Falls. So anyway, just, just like a little history before ICE was a thing, we were participating with the U.S. Marshall Service and we continue to participate with the U.S. Marshall Service. The U.S. Marshall Service actually seizes phones here, which aren't in the 16 terabytes of data that MPD alone has from 2004. Mr. Larson, back to Verkata, please. Back to Verkata, please. That's what we're here to talk about. Thank you. So as it concerns Verkata, it's already deployed at the university. All of those white domes on the university are piped into the feds. And it doesn't matter if you guys do facial recognition. Once it gets to them, because you guys already participated in the sense of the nineties, they get all the great metadata. They get all the facial recognition. They get all, anything you guys want essentially just has to pertain to an investigation, I guess. But there's no policy. You have no policy. And what you were trying to do after I asked is get this one slipped through and people freaked out. So just get your policy, Ryan Subberry. Thank you, Mr. Larson. Next public comment. Come on up. My name is Mir Star Samuels. I live in Ward 3. And I just want to reiterate that AI is a slippery slope. If the capabilities are there, they'll be used whether you or we want them to or not. And AI is horrible for the environment. It uses a lot of water to power. We should be fighting climate change and social injustices, not graffiti. Thank you very much for your comments. Any other public comment in the room? Come on up. Evening. My name is Holly Scott. Thank you for taking the time to still hear from us. This is Jordan. I appreciate it. Child care, job responsibilities. We all showed up. So thank you for hearing us. First, we do not intend to use the AI features as not a privacy safeguard. It is not enough of a guarantee. One or two SESAMINS being able to toggle it on or off with an alert notification being the safeguard is absolutely not sufficient enough oversight for technology that is capable of this level of surveillance. Second, the system places sensitive city data in the cloud on Verkata's servers. While the data may be encrypted and the city may technically retain ownership and control, cloud-based systems are still vulnerable to misuse, exploitation, and unauthorized access. We should carefully consider both the ongoing subscription costs and the privacy risks that come with storing this information off-site. I think that Mr. Meyer's point about the information collected still being stored and/or analyzed behind the scenes is critical to consider. Third, the inclusion of automatic facial recognition is unnecessary. We are being told it will not be used and that law enforcement would only access footage after an incident occurs, but if the capability exists, how can anyone guarantee it will never be expanded or used differently in the future? The public is being asked to trust that these safeguards will always remain in place. Right now it doesn't seem like the safeguards are even in place, so thank you for doing that in the future. Frankly, there is no company, institution, government agency, or individual on this planet, let alone in this room or local city government, that has earned unlimited trust when it comes to surveillance technology. Systems should be designed around accountability and limits, not trust alone. Finally, Mr. Neidig said that they had only looked at the possibility of evaluating other vendors just last week. Why was that just done? Please pencil out what other vendors cost, pencil out what it costs to have it done locally and akin to keeping it all in-house. Before approving this contract, I encourage the council to fully compare alternatives and carefully pencil out the true long-term costs, capabilities, and privacy implications of competing systems. Please continue to listen to us, your voters. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Scott. Comments, anybody else in the audience wishing to make public comment on this agenda item? Okay. Not seeing anyone in the audience, I'll just check online. Do you think we have some folks online? Two people that have their hands raised. Henry Seaton, please go right ahead. Unmute yourself. I'll go ahead and tell me from this side. Can you hear me okay? Yes, I can. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Madam Mayor, members of the council. My name is Henry Seaton. That's spelled S-E-A-T-O-N. I'm here on behalf of the ACLU of Montana. So I first want to thank Councillor Campbell for uplifting our model policy and for that shout out. I think you all made an incredibly important choice tonight. And we're just going to thank you for that. And we ask that as you are embarking on this process, uplifting community members and organizations, when developing a policy that will secure the data of Missoulians before deploying these technologies is going to be crucial. And the ACLU of Montana is here to help in that process if we are helpful. So, yeah, again, thank you for making this choice. It's really important. And I look forward to seeing what you do. Thank you, Mr. Seaton. Then there's somebody online with the name of Katie. Katie, could you go ahead and unmute yourself, please? Second here. I'll just take a second here. Katie, are you unmuted from your side there? A couple minutes here. You're unmuted from this side. Claire, you're saying she fully unmuted from-- She appears to be unmuted from our end and they have to unmute themselves on their end. Katie, you have to unmute yourself from your end if you can do that. All right. It looks like we're having a-- we've got you unmuted on this side, Katie, but not sure if there's something on your side that's not allowing you to unmute. If you are interested in calling in, there is a phone number at the top of our agenda. Find it so you can actually call in. That's audio only. That phone number is 406-384-6960. Phone conference ID 461-400421-POUND. Okay. Sorry we're not able to hear your public comment. Please feel free to count-- to email the council your comment because this item will be going back to committee and then possibly back for public hearing. And so public comment can be taken via email as well. Okay. Okay. That appears to be all the public comment on this agenda item. Pardon the confusion earlier. I guess I want to make it clear that I too wanted to hear from the public, but procedurally we had a little hiccup there. So, council members still wanted to ask questions of staff, which is why Mike Nugent and I asked for it to remain on the table. So we weren't setting a precedent for something to come off the table and then allow council comments. But, so for the-- going forward, I think we have a couple of members of our council that still have some additional questions. For the city staff, they're here this evening. So, if there is no objection, without objection, if we could suspend the rules this evening, then we could allow for council comment and/or questions. So we can catch up with a couple of folks that still had their hands raised, without objection. Because again, this item has been removed from the table, sent back to committee. So if we have a couple of additional questions from council, that would be without objection. Do we have any objection to that? Okay. All right. So there are a few folks that had their hands raised. One of those was Councillor Sherrill. Councillor Sherrill is taking care of her elderly mother. So she may have had to step away. Councillor Sherrill? Are you available? Councillor Nugent, go right ahead. Councillor Nugent: Mayor Davis, Councillor Sherrill messaged me and asked me to say, "I'm not going to be here." Councillor Nugent, go ahead. Councillor Nugent, go ahead. Councillor Nugent, go ahead. Councillor Nugent: Mayor Davis, Councillor Sherrill messaged me and let me know that she was going to have to step away for a few minutes to assist her elderly mother. Councillor Nugent: Okay. Councillor Nugent, go ahead. Councillor Nugent: Mayor Davis, Councillor Sherrill messaged me and let me know that she was going to have to step away for a few minutes to assist her elderly mother. Councillor Nugent: Thank you. Councillor Nugent: But just wanted to comment that she voted no on sending it back to committee because she wanted to wait until after the conversation. And that's how I feel as well. I have no problem with this going back to committee and that's why I included in the amendment to developing a policy. So I think that that's a good conversation to be had. I'm not sure if there's an appetite for questions or anything like that, but I do think there's a lot of public comments. I think we got to a lot of questions we got this week, but there's still some information that's maybe not completely accurate and one of them has to do with lock cameras. And I wonder if somebody wants to, to answer or explain how these are or not are, are, are, or are not similar to the flock cameras? Because I think that that's something that the public is really concerned about based on the emails we've received. So. Councillor Nugent: Okay. Thank you for that. Are there staff, do you want to do some research on that first to do a comparison to flock? Mr. Halstrom, I want to take a shot at providing information. Yeah. I mean, we don't, we don't use flock cameras and we don't have a relationship with flock cameras and it's difficult to speak to how they work because we haven't, um, attempted to use them. Um, the only thing I know about the differentiation between, uh, Mercada and flock cameras is something that Mercada shared with us. Um, so you can take it with a grain of salt if you like, but they indicated to us that they, um, we have the right to opt out or we have to opt in if we want any data sharing. And they said that when you work with a flock camera, it's, you are automatically opted in. And so you don't get that choice. I can't speak to whether that's accurate or not. Well, the information we have, we can certainly do some research, um, in preparation of the council committee. All right. Councillor Jordan. I just wanted to make a little comment. If that's all right, please. Um, I had a whole thing prepared to speak to tonight, but Mr. Campbell beat me to sending it back committee. Um, I appreciate all of the, um, research that our constituents have done related to all of this and the ideas they brought forward. But I just want to raise some other concerns that I thought about while trying to research how to vote on this issue. You know, specifically, do folks even understand, um, the problem with DNA sending them to, to genealogy sites, or do folks understand that their ring blink, UFI neighborhood networks that are all sharing footage to a cloud that are not controlled? Um, have folks noticed the other cameras that are across town and raised questions about those? Particularly, it started with Poplar and Van Buren, found out that those were Mozilla Department of Transportation cameras. Um, and that there are actually a few more cameras that I'm trying to get to the bottom of. Um, we talked about how Lowe's has flock cameras, but Shields does as well. We've been saying them all, but through my research, it's Shields, um, that has the flock cameras. And, um, you know, thinking about the apps that we use to track our sleep or our spending or our fertility or our mental health. Um, I think that this is a bigger issue. And I think that when we take a stand like this related to AI, we need to think about how we're sharing our data generally. And make sure that we're drawing a solid line in the sand. And, um, if we're asking the city to take a step back and rethink how it's approaching, um, public safety in this aspect, we need to think about how we use tech generally to make sure that we're not feeding into the system as well. I just wanted to mention that really quickly. Thank you. All right. Thank you for your comments. Councillor Becerra. I don't have a comment. I just have a request that between now and when we, um, hear this in committee that we can, um, ask for staff's help in, um, looking at different communities and how they have, um, approached having a policy for this type of issue. So that we can, we can look at, um, and, and, you know, look at the different components of that policy as it relates to this issue. Thank you. All right. Thank you for making your request. You bet we'll do some research there. Uh, Councillor McCoy. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, just wanted to, um, also add on, uh, Councillor Becerra's comments as well. I really feel like we need some comparisons or as many comparisons as, as we can create here. Um, and, um, I really appreciate having the ability to, to take this back to committee and, and look at our policy because I think for me, that's a, a big crucial piece of this is trying to make sure at the very least we have some of our language worked out. And we're, we're moving in a really good direction before we make this choice. Um, and, and, and I'm, I'm struggling with Verkata as well. Um, but, and I don't want to belabor this and take this on. Um, um, um, I did do some research, um, with a little bit of time that I had and identified a, um, SCW security company here in the States that does a different type of camera system. doesn't necessarily have AI options, that works with cities, and would be able to give us two of the three pieces that we are looking for in streamlining this. So they would be able to do cameras as well as security badges. However, the intrusion detection system is something that isn't necessarily within their scope. So with my little bit of a research and being a real layman in this area, I think there could possibly be some other options out there. Of course, I'm happy to email this information and this company, but that is part of why I think, for me, it seems important for us to make sure that we've made sure that we've looked to make sure we have all of our options vetted. And if this is really the best direction to go, we have a real clear way of articulating that. Not that Mr. Hallstrom hasn't done a great job of answering these questions and providing that reasoning. I think it just helps us if we can say that we've looked at these other places and we just can't come up with what we need. This is the direction we really feel like we need to go. And that, I believe, is all I have. Thank you. All right. Please go ahead and email the staff point of contact, the research you found. Thank you. Appreciate that. Ms. Cheryl, Councilor Cheryl. Yeah, thanks. And I'm coming in. I'm sorry I'm away for this. I'm taking care of my elderly mother and I just had to slip away for a moment to get her into bed. So I think we're all commenting. I don't know. I sent, you know, some notes to some colleagues in case I was putting her in bed during the time that we could comment. I just, you know, sometimes our process here is a little clunky, you know, the process of getting things through and voting on things. And I want to explain why I voted not to send it back to committee. And maybe Mike has already said that. But the process, I was hoping to get through all the questions and all the information before we took public comment, because I think some of that is important for the public to understand. And I know that we've had information that we've all requested from staff this week trying to get additional information before we made this decision. So I want to explain why I voted not to send it back to committee. I would have had we gotten through all that information. We felt like we still didn't have everything. I would have been fine sending it back to committee. I do think that this item clearly needs some more time for the public. And maybe there are questions that we still don't don't have answered. And I can appreciate Bob's point that I that. Doing a policy first will make it will make sense. I'm comfortable with Mike's Mike's amendment that we're going to do a policy because I'm comfortable with the the goals of this administration. But as I say to my colleagues, you know, regularly, if if it was an administration that I I was worried about, you know, we write policies for worst possible scenarios. So, you know, I can I can see the need for that. Anyway, I'm I don't I appreciate the public coming out and I understand the need to take public comment. And I also really appreciate, Mayor, that you're allowing even though our normal process would not be we would cut off public comment. If we send it back to committee, we would cut off council comment if we send it back to committee. That is the normal process that we go through. I understand why that's clunky tonight, because I certainly appreciate the commenter saying they shouldn't have to come back three times to to make us hear what they want us to hear. So anyway, it was clunky tonight, in my opinion, to do it this way, but I I appreciate I appreciate everyone coming out. And I think this is just fine to send it back to committee and work on it more and work on the policy more. Thanks. All right. Thank you, Councilor Cheryl. And really appreciate you being able to be part of the meeting while you're taking care of significant family obligations. Councilor Jones. Thanks. First of all, thanks, Mayor Davis, for just kind of running the meeting with some common sense to allow the procedural quirks tonight. We're getting where we're going. So I appreciate that instead of sticking to strict procedure. There's just a couple of things I wanted to comment on. I had some questions, but at this point, I think it's better to just comment and we'll hear it back in committee. But we got tons of emails, which is great. I read all of them. Many of them. It was clear people had no idea that there were cameras in parks. They had no idea that there were cameras used by Verkera by other entities in Missoula. And they really thought that they had an expectation, very high expectation of privacy in parks. So I think this process is good for creating some baselines, some education. And as we heard from staff, privacy expectations in public spaces is much lower than in private spaces. That's just the reality. If you go over to the university, there are cameras everywhere. I go to the YMCA to work out. There's cameras everywhere except for in the dressing rooms. That's the way our world is today. So I just wanted to say, first of all, I think this struck a nerve. And that's interesting to see. That's where our culture is at. I think there are a lot of trust issues. Big tech is, there's a lot of issues there. I think Councillor Jordan said it really well, that we're going to have to figure out how we approach this policy. But drawing the line at this point, I think people do need to be aware that we are living in a tech world. If we don't like it, we're going to have to grapple with that. And the city of Missoula can grapple with our policy, but there's a lot more out there. So I was shocked when getting some of these emails and people did not realize that our world is, we have cameras everywhere. That's the way it is. The other thing I just wanted to talk about was I heard comments tonight about, well, IT just needs to do more. They need to figure it out. They need to figure out how to make this work, do it in-house. I've sat through so many years of budget meetings where we have new requests from all sorts of different departments in the city, including IT. IT needs more capacity. I don't think IT can take on a big project and just make it work and do better. Sometimes you stretch that rubber band so hard it snaps. So I think that's why this was the solution that was offered up. I'm not sure how we'll thread this needle and it'll go back to committee and we'll figure it out there. But there are some expectations that I think our community needs to grapple with. We have limited capacity with our local government. We are living in a high-tech world. So how do we thread that needle as the city? We'll have some more conversations. But that's what we're being tasked with. So we'll work on it. Thank you, Councillor Jones. All right, folks. Thank you for allowing the additional comments and or questions from Council. This item has been sent back to committee. So it is off the table this evening. Thank you for those members of the public that are still here. Thank you for sticking with it to the very end, at least at this point. That we don't have a specific date of what committee this will be sent back to. But all of that information is publicly noticed and on the City of Missoula's agenda webpage. And City Council committee schedules are always published on Monday nights. So you can always check that out to see when this item might be going back. Sorry, I can't give you a date today. With that, we've got some members in the audience that are here for the next agenda item. Council members, are you doing okay with a break? It's kind of, people can take individual breaks if you need to. Because it's been a few hours. And so if you need a personal break, I suggest just standing up and doing it. And we will make sure we get everybody up to speed as they need it. All right. So with that, we're just going to go through the next agenda item. Number seven, new business. We have 7.1, which is CDBG-CV grant award from Montana Department of Commerce, 2026. Councilor Nugent, you referred this, but we have staff members here to present on it. Go ahead and turn it over to them. Or would you like to make a comment first? Nope. Happy to just introduce it as new business so that we can take advantage of this exciting opportunity. Great. Thank you. Thank you. James. Good evening. I'm Montana James. I'm the Deputy Director for Community Development in the city's Department of Community Planning, Development, and Innovation. Wow. It's late. I don't know how you guys do this. So I have the exciting job tonight of letting you know that last week, the State Department of Commerce notified the city and NeighborWorks Montana that they could make available up to $150,000 of additional Community Development Block Grant CV CARES Act funding. To benefit the Bonneys Place resident-owned manufactured home community in Missoula. This, as a quick reminder, in 2021, the city received $850,000 in those CV COVID funds from the state to help NeighborWorks and Bonneys Place purchase their community, preserving 24 affordable manufactured homes. That project closed in April of 2023, and now, as the state is working to close out their CDBG-CV COVID funds, they have the opportunity to reallocate surplus funds from other projects that have come in under budget across the state. And the catch and why we're here with you tonight under new business is that they need to be contracted for those funds with the city of Missoula by June 30th, or they're recalled by HUD. So it's an exciting and quick opportunity. The funds will supplement the original funding award from 2021. And they will help the residents pay down debt associated with that original acquisition financing, which, of course, reduces their debt service burden and supports that ongoing affordability for the community. So there's two motions in front of you to get those contracts moving. And Kaya Peterson, the director of NeighborWorks Montana, is also here and can answer questions or speak to the opportunity as well, if you'll have her. Great. Excellent. Thank you, Ms. James. Appreciate all that detail. Ms. Peterson, come on up. Welcome. Thank you, Mayor Davis, council members, Kaya Peterson, executive director of NeighborWorks Montana. Just to say we're really excited to have this opportunity. You all have supported Bonnie's Place for over three years now. They are a really fantastic example of an affordable housing initiative that you all are part of that's working. The residents have done a phenomenal job over the last three years of making improvements in their community, electrical upgrades, removing abandoned homes, dealing with trees, as well as really strengthening their governance and leadership. They've done disaster preparedness training. They've participated in conflict mediation training. And I think overall, just a fantastic example of resident ownership. And I know you're seeing a lot of challenges with manufactured housing continuing in our community. And I just think this is a fantastic example of something that's working. And also, just a fun note, this community is on the marathon route. So if anyone is running the marathon, when you come down Shilling and you turn left on fifth, you can wave at our neighbors at Bonnie's Place and think about affordable housing. So hopefully we'll receive this additional funding and help maintain affordability. Thanks. Awesome. Thank you very much. I'll say on a personal note, Kaya and I had a walking meeting one time. We toured Bonnie's Place and it is a very welcoming and wonderful community. So if folks are in the race, I hope you have a chance to see it. All right. So you've heard the presentation and the matter in front of you. Are there any questions from Councilor Savage? Are you ready to make the motion or do you have any questions? Just ready to make both motions. Awesome. Awesome. Both motions here. We have two on this item? Oh, yes, there is. Okay, great. Thank you. Before we hear a motion, any questions from Council? All right. No questions. We'll go ahead and hear the motion. There'll be opportunity for comment. Motions. Thank you, Councilor Savage. And with Montana, it's late. Okay. So the first one is to approve and authorize the mayor to execute an agreement with the Montana Department of Commerce accepting grant funds to support the Bonnie's Place resident-owned community in the amount of up to $150,000. And the second one is approve and authorize the mayor to execute a sub-grant agreement with NeighborWorks Montana to support the Bonnie's Place resident-owned community in the amount of up to $150,000. Excellent. Thank you. Motions are on the floor. Any public comment? Any public comment on this agenda item? Not seeing any in the room. I'll check online here to see if there's anybody online that wishes to comment on this agenda item. Mr. Larson, your hand is raised. Do you wish to comment on this agenda item? Yeah, I'd like to comment in person, but I had an interaction with the security guard Wade there, and I don't feel confident that I'll be able to enter back into the premises. As a disabled citizen, I find that there's a lot of people who are going to be able to enter back into the premises. And I find it really disappointing that, one, I can't speak in public without being interrupted, which agitates my disability as a survivor of MTBI and TBI, post-concussion syndrome, visual issues, cognitive issues. And I really would just hope that a place like Missoula could actively help people participate instead of gaslighting and agitating police intervention. Thank you, Mr. Larson. I believe that concludes your comment. I will follow up with security after to understand what altercation there was and what issue. But since you did not speak to Bonnie's place throughout your comment there, I assume you have no further comment. I will follow up with security after to understand what altercation there was and what issue. Since you did not speak to Bonnie's place throughout your comment there, I assume you have no further comment. We will go ahead and ask if there is anybody else that has public comment on this really wonderful and positive opportunity here. This is paying down debt for a resident-owned community for people that are living in affordable, manufactured housing. Mr. Crosby, thank you. Hello, everybody. James Crosby, Ward 1. I say do it. Thanks. Thank you. All right, folks. I don't see anybody else that's wishing to make public comment on this agenda item. We'll bring it back to council comments, please. All right. Not seeing any Council comments. I'll just say thanks to staff for jumping on this and getting it done. Awesome. Yes, most definitely. Really great to see. Quick action. I'll just say thanks to staff for jumping on this and getting it done. Awesome. Yes, most definitely. Really great to see. Quick action. Okay, all right. I'll just say thanks to staff for jumping on this and getting it done. Awesome. Yes, most definitely. It's really great to see. Quick action. Okay, all right. We'll go ahead and do a roll call vote on these two motions. Do we need to do each individual vote? We probably should just take each motion separately as a -- but one -- look at these. Councillor Savage, do we -- can we do one vote for these? I'm fine with that. They're not numbered separately for some reason. I don't know why. Yeah. Claire Trimble? I mean -- I'm fine taking them together. Okay. Let's take them together then. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Roll call vote on item 7.1, the two motions authorizing the mayor to execute the agreement with the Department of Commerce, accepting the grant funds, and a sub-agreement with NeighborWorks Montana, beginning with Jones. Yes. Jordan? Yes. McCoy? Yes. Melson? Yes. Nugent? Yes. Savage? Yes. Yes. Cheryl? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Campbell? Yes. And Kresk? Yes. Those pass unanimously. All right. Thank you all very much. Congratulations to the residents of Bonnie's Place and the great work of NeighborWorks Montana and the great work of our team in partnering with wonderful organizations like NeighborWorks to continue to create permanently affordable home options in Missoula. Thank you. All right. Excellent. That wraps up that agenda item. We have one other new business item. That is the Paddleheads Special Request. And Marina Yoshioka is coming in to be able to provide a brief staff report on the Paddleheads Special Request. Marina Yoshioka, Parks and Recreation Director. Missoula is proud to partner with the Paddleheads to bring the community two nights of fireworks, July 3rd and July 4th, in honor of America's 250th birthday, made possible by a Town Pump Grant. Both shows will follow the evening's baseball game, with a free family night at Silver Park on July 3rd open to the entire public. This is the return of the public fireworks display that previously took place at the mall, now relocated to McCormick Park. A strong public display also serves a practical purpose. By giving residents a safe, legal venue to celebrate, we hope to reduce the private fireworks. Tonight, I'm requesting that Council waive the noise ordinance to allow a second consecutive night of fireworks, in recognition of this once in a generation milestone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Yoshioka. All right. So, staff presentation, questions from Council. Councilor Jordan. I know it's late, but I am really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. I know it's late, but I'm really struggling with this one. And we'll make the rounds. All right. And just looking at our ordinance, it looks like we need to have the fire chief and the chief of police approve these types of requests. So, we had their approval for these. We do, and we have Chief Rash here. So, Lonnie Rash, fire chief, city of Missoula. So, they had put in preemptively a request for that. So, basically what we do is that we take a look at their site plan. We take a look at based on what ordinance they're going to fire off. We've based their whole process. And then if they are approved, bonded provider, we then write that certification or that certificate for them. So, yes. So, these all, there were six that were approved based on the specifics of what they're firing off, those type of things. Thank you. So, yes. Thank you, Chief. So, I did have some folks reach out to me about this, and it really does have to do with vets, pets, and people with CPTSD and PTSD. I'm wondering what considerations for these folks in these particular groups and animals, whether they are domestic or wild, what kind of considerations are built into this waiver, given that it's a second night beyond the traditional single July 4th show. Every year I get complaints about fireworks and how they affect the people who actually fought for our right to blast them off. And I'm curious, what do we do to consider their needs? So, one of the considerations to address those needs is to limit how many fireworks displays are occurring in one night. And so, we're optimistic that by having a public display, there will be fewer private displays, which are prohibited within city limits, but we know occur anyway. And so, the idea is by drawing people to the large public display, that that will be the only one and therefore minimize the amount of fireworks that people experience during the evening. I'm also curious, this is my third question, why this one is arriving as a same-day new business idea rather than through a committee referral. There was unfortunately a timing kerfuffle that occurred to get this approved in time for the 4th of July. Plenty more, but I can... We'll come back, yeah. Thank you. Thank you for your questions, Councillor Becerra. I think I know the answer to some of these already, but I think it's important to put it on the public record. We do have a lease agreement with paddleheads, and that specifies the number of evenings where fireworks can take place. And I'm pretty sure that it says that we cannot have two consecutive days. So, I just want a little bit of that information on the Riker as to why we are making an exception to the noise ordinance, but also to the lease agreement. So on. I will turn that over to Ryan Sudbury. You can answer it if you want. I think partly the timing kerfuffle and this lease agreement are related. We have been in negotiations to amend the paddleheads lease for the stadium for eight months. We're essentially finished with those negotiations and have been for some time, but just haven't quite got that referred to council for final consideration. And I think the paddleheads took the text of the amended lease that's going to be presented to council as final, which allowed them additional nights and one period of consecutive nights. So that's sort of the genesis of this issue. So the draft amended lease that will be brought to council at some point in the near future has these provisions in it. So moving forward, this would be allowed. They'd have one period where they could have two nights in a row, I think, to address this exact situation where there's a July 3rd and July 4th baseball game and they want to have fireworks on both nights. So in the future, we won't have this issue. It'll be, if it's approved, if you don't want to allow them to have consecutive nights, then we'd address it there and remove that from the lease. But typically that's how this would be addressed in the lease. So we've sort of given them approval for the lease and waived that sort of administratively on the lease side, but need to do it for the noise ordinance here. So just to clarify, they're currently going to operate, if this passes, under an amendment to the lease agreement that we haven't yet approved. So we can enforce terms of the lease or not. And so I think they figured we would waive it if we had agreed to it already as part of the amended lease. So there's not a question of whether we need to amend the lease in advance of this. We can just, like all agreements that have terms that are in favor, we can decline to enforce them in situations where we think we're comfortable with the outcome. But since it needed a noise ordinance waiver, this is sort of the double consideration that council can have. But if you don't want to allow this, don't give them a noise ordinance waiver and it won't be allowed in the lease. And they can't, in order to honor the lease agreement that we currently have in place, they can't abstain from fireworks on the third and move that to the fourth in order to meet the lease agreement. Correct? The third is a go no matter what? The third is the primary event on a Friday night and is already planned and sold out and approved per the current existing lease. Tonight's request is specifically for the second consecutive night waiver of the noise ordinance. So it would either be canceled or postponed the fourth. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thanks for your questions. Councilor Campbell. Thank you, ma'am. Mayor, I'm just curious. When was the last time we had a permitted Fourth of July fire arrest display? I'm talking about the Southgate Mall ones. It's been a handful of years. Yeah. It was when the mall sold to whatever group owned it before this one. So five, maybe longer. Yeah. Okay. All right. Councilor Nugent. Can't remember what my question was. I think Bob might have asked it. But I guess along the lines of the approval of permits, if the mall was still doing a fireworks show, and there was one community group that wanted to do fireworks on the third at one location, and another community group, say the mall, wanted to do it on the fourth, is there anything in our city ordinance that says we can't approve one because the other one did it the night before? Or is this kind of specific to just the uniqueness of this lease negotiated? Looking back, Lonnie Rush, fire chief, looking back on some history, it appears that we may have done that in our history, had two of those. Nothing would preclude them from the fire side to have this done. If a professional fireworks group was doing it, they were bonded and licensed and that. What I don't know is what the noise ordinance allowance would be for those particular type of fireworks. And I do not see anything in ordinance that allows us to, for the fire department to say that they do not need to have that waiver. So I would guess from my perspective is that if they were to put in and had all the permitted items, we would allow it from our perspective from the fire safety side. Thanks. All right. Going through all the questions and that comes to go back. Councillor Ponton. Thanks, Mayor Davis. Sorry, I thought I was clear on this, but I just have to ask the follow-up. So there are, excluding this secondary request, there are, I believe, five total events scheduled per the lease agreement. So why, I assume that the one that they had scheduled for early July would have been on July 4th, why is the contractually committed one July 3rd? It, my understanding is that it is July 3rd because there are more people in town on the Friday night than there are on the Saturday when more people travel. And therefore, the family event and the festivities are mainly on the 3rd. And specifically for the 4th is another fireworks display with the town pump grant. Thank you. All right. You bet. Councillor Johns. Thanks for the information. I know everybody's trying to do the best here. But I had not heard that the contract was being renegotiated in 10 years ago in 2016, 2017, when it was negotiated then. That was based on a lot of complaints from the neighborhood, and I was involved with that. So I did not know it was being renegotiated. And I'm not looking forward to getting more complaints from the neighborhood. So my question is, was the neighborhood council involved in, was there opinions asked for the, for this doing it two nights in a row? Because they've kept a finger on the pulse with the fireworks issue. And was the, I think it's a riverfront neighborhood council involved or consulted. Mr. Sudbury, do you, can you reflect on? I was not involved with the riverfront or any of the neighborhood councils. I was told these were changes that were given the thumbs up. But I don't know the genesis. That would be an Ellen Buchanan question. Yeah. Unfortunately, the primary director that's been responsible, because the agency that has the lease is Missoula Redevelopment Agency. Director Ellen Buchanan is traveling and not available to be with us tonight. Okay. Thanks. I mean, I have comments, but we'll get to that. All right. Thank you. Councillor Jordan. Thank you. Mr. Sudbury, not to put you on the spot, but I'm curious if we need to consider, for lack of a better term, the ADA implications related to having these types of events. Are we required to consider the impacts on those with PTSD? And maybe, I mean, yeah, I'll stop there. I'm not aware of a requirement to consider impacts of fireworks festivals or fireworks events on people with disabilities. I need to get back to my question list. I apologize. Yeah, I may be done. I think, like, Ms. Jones, I'll have some comments about this. Okay. We're done. All right. Ms. Jones, Councillor Jones, do you still have questions, or? That's okay. No problem. Teams is messing with you. It looks like that's all of the council questions we have related to the motions. Related to the item. We have not actually had the motion on the floor. This will be climate conservation and parks, I think, because this is a, right? Yes. And so, Amber, are you with us still? I'm here. Hi. All right. Hi. Okay. So, let me see. I'm trying to. Where is this? Okay. I'm having a hard time finding it. Oh, there it is. Okay. Okay. I recommend approval for granting the waiver of the noise ordinance and recognition of the unique community celebrations associated with Independence Day and the limited duration and scope of the request. Okay. Thank you. So, the motion's on the floor. This is a new business item. And the opportunity for public comment. Is there any members of the public that would like to comment on this agenda item at this time? All right. Not seeing any. Any online. Any members of the public online that wish to speak to this agenda item? Okay. Not seeing any members of the public online. Then we'll bring it back to city council members for comment before we take a vote. Councilor Jordan. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Um. I. Um. I am grateful that I get to live in the United States of America and sometimes wonder where I'm going to end up retiring, whether it's Australia or the United States, because I love both countries very much. Um. I also want to just make a direct comment, um, that this is nothing against the paddleheads. I was very anti the turf. I'm very anti this. I'm really excited that we have the paddleheads here. Um. That being said, I too get multiple calls, um, and noise complaints from people who. Have babies have mental illnesses, um, have things that, um, directly affect their quality of life when we, when we change our rules to allow for more fireworks shows. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. certain days where we can and can't have public displays of fireworks because I think that we do need to start considering the folks in our community and the pets and the wildlife. We have bears and cougars and wildlife in our town as well as pets that are directly impacted by our desire to be loud and to celebrate. The ones that go off where they're completely quiet and then boom and the whole house shakes puts me almost into a panic attack. So therefore I leave every year and take my dogs and go out to the woods. It's even getting harder to find places where there's peace and quiet out in the woods because people bring their guns or they have their private firework shows out in the out in nature. This directly impacts me, people I care about, people who fought for our country, our pets and our wildlife. And I think that we need to stop being so contented and deliberate about how we celebrate noisily our freedoms that affect the people who actually fought for our freedoms to celebrate this way and all of the other people who are impacted by this. I'm really deeply disappointed that this is happening, that we're going to have two nights in a row and I'm going to see what I can do to change some things. So that's how I'm feeling about this tonight. Thank you for your comments, Councillor Jordan. Councillor Becerra? Yeah, this is a it's a difficult item because I as you can probably tell by my accent, I wasn't born here and I chose this country and to become a citizen of this country. So it's not that I don't want to celebrate on Fourth of July. In fact, in my home, we have a very enthusiastic little baseball player who loves to go to the paddle heads and watch the fireworks. At the same time, I for more than two years, I've been getting calls from people who live in the West Side, asking me why the city has an ordinance, a noise ordinance, but we make the exception so many nights during the summer. And to learn now that we're going to have two consecutive nights. It really, I think it's, it's at the detriment of the of that neighborhood where, you know, we have I get calls from people saying, you know, it's the windows are shaken in my house. It sounds like cannons. Mothers who are, you know, waking up because their kids cannot sleep. I think the most impactful conversation I had was with a war veteran who told me that he cannot afford to leave Missoula and he gets triggered by loud noises and it takes him a long time to recover. For some people, it's an inconvenience. And for some people, it's an annoyance. But for some other people, I think it has greater impacts. I think one night is something that we can manage, but two nights in a row seems like an oversight on our part to not really look at the schedule and and act accordingly. I do think that there are many loud noises that we cannot control. Airplanes, trains. We have been trying to collaborate and find solutions to make it less impactful in our community. But this is one we can. We can actually control how many nights for how long. So because of that and not because of anything related to patriotism or wanting to celebrate, I am not supporting this because I need to hear my concerns and the voices of my constituents on this one and I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I will not be in support of it. I would like to comment on this fireworks issue with the paddle heads. I also, as other folks have said, don't appreciate loud noises myself, but also there are some things that, and I appreciate the opportunity to be able to be, to participate in this meeting. And let that concern be heard. But there are other things that aren't able to speak or come to the meeting that I just wanted to bring up. My understanding is that there's an active osprey nest in McCormick Park. And I wanted to bring that to the attention of the council because I would imagine that this is going to impact the nest. I believe there are birds on the nest. So there's probably young in the nest. And has anybody looked into that, the impacts of that? And I am guessing since this is the 250th anniversary of the country that the fireworks display might be even bigger and bolder than in previous years and also for being two nights in a row. I am mainly speaking here tonight to bring that the the osprey nest to your attention, let you know that it's there and that I have concerns for the impact on it. Thank you so much for the opportunity to comment. All right. I got a briefing while I was stepped out. All right. Thank you for your public comment. We're going to come back to council comments and Councillor Campbell at the top of the list. Yeah. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm very much going to be in support of this application for fireworks. It is our 250th anniversary and I hope we do have a bigger, better display on the 4th of July the way it should be. You know, I think it's, I'm just speaking for myself here, but I think it's pretty sus amongst most of the populace of the state of Montana that, you know, Missoula being a liberal bastion of, you know, Berkeley, Montana, if you will, not having patriotism on the 4th of July because we ban fireworks and we haven't had a public display on the 4th of July for so many years. Here's our opportunity. And yeah, let's put this down, remove all doubt amongst all the population, Montana, that we're not patriotic community. It'd be a shame. As far as the noise argument goes. I mean, I just saying here, just the hypocrisy of that when we just had a music festival, I could hear. I could hear bass. I could hear drums. I could hear all sorts of music and all sorts of things through my windows at my house. Multiple hours of the day, Friday, all multiple hours of the day, Saturday. We're not going to talk about that noise though. That noise is okay, but this noise for a few minutes. Yeah, that's, that's the straw breaks the camel's back. I mean, the hypocrisy is just, you know, unfathomable. So that, you know, that doesn't hold any water to me. You know, I think this should go forward. I think we should celebrate this country's 250th anniversary. And I'll let the fireworks begin. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Campbell for your comments and Councillor McCoy. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And I'd like to begin by just pointing out that Councillor Campbell just used the word sus. Which I had to take him in to be like, what? I know. Bob, it is an unprecedented night sus and you cited the ACLU in one evening. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I just, I just wanted to make some comments regarding this because like most issues, you know, I find myself straddling the fence here quite a bit. So I want to start out with just saying that I don't want folks to feel like I don't empathize or I don't understand the points of view as far as, you know, veterans go. I am a veteran. My father was a veteran of the Vietnam War. He had issues with loud noises. I think one of the things to maybe be clear about is that every veteran is different and their reactions to loud noises is also different and varies. Sometimes fireworks would set my dad off. Sometimes he wouldn't even pay attention. Sometimes it was an egg that blew up in a microwave or a car backfiring. So, you know, I definitely am hearing all those things and I empathize with them. But I also, you know, also have a really strong belief in this country and tradition and celebration of all of the things that make this country what it is. As well as, you know, this being the 250th anniversary, it's hard for me to want to say no to this. I think on another year I would struggle to have two back-to-back nights. However, I think we can weather this and have our traditions. Another thing that really comes to mind as I've thought about this over the week is I've also had the, you know, the privilege and the benefit of going to other countries. And, you know, some of our fireworks displays pale in comparison to other countries, whether it, you know, it's Cuba or somewhere in Guatemala or over in Hawaii where they, you know, just fireworks displays are ten times what we have. And I think it speaks to the, you know, the quality of our country that we get to have a debate about whether or not we're even going to have the fireworks. And in this particular instance, I will be in support of this amendment, what are we, motion, excuse me, of this motion. Because I feel like it's important to have these celebrations and to commemorate them. But I will be looking forward to the lease agreement when it comes up because maybe this will give us a good opportunity to think about that more clearly. So that's what I have. Thank you. Your comments. And Councillor Jones. Thanks. I'm going to be a no on this. I was involved with the lease negotiations 10 years ago and it had just been a lot of problems with the adjacent neighborhood with the fireworks situation. And we got it all worked out. We got it smoothed out and everybody was on the same page. So I am not inclined to change it for this 4th of July. If there's a lease negotiation, we'll work through that down the road. But I feel like it just isn't. Yeah, I'm going to vote no for it. I understand it's a one time, but I'm not comfortable doing that right now. Thank you for your comments, Councillor Jones. Councillor Nugent. Did you skip Ms. Kras? Oh, yeah, you know what, you're at the top of the list, but your hands not raised. And not on my screen, but Councillor Kraske. Oh, it is on mine. Teams, teams starting to give up. No, it's all good. It's all good. Thank you. I'll try to make it brief. I wish I had prepared comments, but instead I'll bumble through it. I'm new to council, so I haven't directly gotten emails from constituents about this in the past, but I have seen a lot of online discourse about fireworks and the impact that they have on our community. I think what I, what I ideally would like to see is the predictability of July 4th being the night that we have fireworks. I think that when we know that, you know, my hometown, we had fireworks July 4th. That was the night of the prepared fireworks. You knew it. If you wanted to be in town, great. If you wanted to be out of town, great. You could prepare your dog. I think it's when it becomes more nights in a row and it's unpredictable for residents that then it becomes more of an issue because if you're not paying attention to the news or you don't, you don't have the schedule. You don't know that there's fireworks on July 3rd at the Osprey Stadium. Maybe you're in town because you had assumed that you were leaving on the 4th to avoid it. So I think it's unfortunate that they were planned for the 3rd and now that there's a second request for the 4th in the future, I would love to see the predictability of July 4th being the night that we have fireworks as a community. And then we all know what to expect. And there are, I think, clear is kind. And when things are clear and when we know what's happening from year to year, then we don't have to have this discussion or have people surprised by what's happening in the community affecting animals, people, wildlife. So I'll be a no on this one for that reason. All right. Thanks for your comments. And Councillor Nugent. Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate everyone's thoughts on this. I think that every comment and every kind of rationale we hear about fireworks, you can make the comment on both sides of the conversation. I think that you could just as easily say that there are families and kids who may not be able to travel out of Missoula but want to be part of a celebration. I spent most of my youth going to the 4th of July celebrations in Butte, which ironically are on the 3rd. And if we think we're going to have noise issues here, you should go spend the 3rd in Butte. It's like a war zone. It's just everything going up everywhere. But I will say that I usually leave town and it's not because I don't like what Missoula does. There's a great event out at the at Fort Missoula during the day on the 4th of July regularly. But it's always felt like other communities celebrate the 4th better than Missoula. If you asked me the least busy weekend in Missoula, I would tell people it's usually the 4th because a lot of people leave to go find that kind of celebration that Mr. Campbell's talking about, Mr. McCoy's talking about other places. Flathead Lake, some of the communities on the lake do it on the 3rd and some do it on the 4th so that they're not competing with each other. So again, kind of that whole two nights thing. And I can understand why if you were a baseball team, you would want to kind of embrace the whole weekend, not just one night. And I think that makes sense. I'd also point out that our two veterans on council both have stated their support. And so I think that discussing about, you know, the people who have given so much for this country, again, there are people who follow both sides of this conversation, just like there are those of us on this kind of dais that do as well. Everywhere I've been on the 4th, Butte, Seattle, D.C., they all do fireworks. And Missoula, when the mall stopped doing them and paying for it privately, I think that our private use of fireworks really has jumped since then. Because there's nothing for us to point to and say, here are the public displays. So people go and make their own. So I like the idea of hopefully more consistently having a fireworks show. You know, if it should be both the 3rd and the 4th is a debate that maybe we could have. But I think to the point that I asked clarifying with the chief on, you know, if it was the paddleheads doing this on the 3rd and somebody else doing it on the 4th, there would be nothing we could do about it. At least as it's written right now. And my understanding is that potentially this town pump sponsorship on the 4th was going to be somewhere other than the paddleheads and that didn't work out. And then the paddleheads stepped in. And so I think there's maybe more to it than that. And I think there's a lot of people that are going to be in the middle of the 5th. And I think there's a lot of people that are going to be in the middle of the 5th. And I think there's a lot of people that are going to be in the middle of the 5th. And I think there's a lot of people that are going to be in the middle of the 5th. And I think there's a lot of people that are going to be in the middle of the 5th. And I think there's a lot of people that are going to be in the middle of the 5th. 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And I think there's a lot of people that are going to be in the middle of the 5th. spectrum on the conversation i think that we're more likely to hear the complaints and i respect all those i think that mr mccoy said that eloquently but i want um people who can't leave missoula for whatever reason on the fourth to feel like they're part of the celebration as well um and so i will be in support of this and i think that we should do what we can to encourage uh you know private investment in a regular show just like missoula had for years and years at the mall it's obviously not something that the city can afford to be a part of but i think that we can be accommodating of that event if if the community wants to invest in it thank you councillor nugent councillor ponton thank you mayor davis um i have grappled with this one for the last few days so i played baseball from age five through high school here in missoula between the osprey and the paddleheads organizations i've probably been to triple digit number of games in that stadium and baseball and fireworks is a fun thing i'm very understanding of that as a representative for the west side it is uh not lost on me that there's a lot of folks in that proximity um that struggle with these things and you know i lived in the old sawmill district for a year and yeah it's uh it's a notable event and for some it's it's uncomfortable um i full transparency i'm pretty frustrated with how this was brought forward um and i think councillor krask um said it correctly in that predictability i think should be the you know sort of the nexus of how we approach this going forward i think it's a reasonable and understandable thing to have a display you know sponsored like this for the fourth um i i don't know why it was scheduled for the third and the fourth is the additional one but that being said um at the end of the day it's not an easy decision but i will support it just on two different bases and that's one that i'm thankful to have a community partner like the paddleheads and they're and have been advertising this event for quite some time and i i don't know how that's going to impact them if they had to reschedule it and more importantly is kind of part two of this where i sincerely hope having some sort of a sanctioned event like this on the fourth does limit the amount of you know private events that take place if that happens then i think it's uh it's a good yes vote but again something i think we definitely need to look at for for the future your comments very much counselor ponton and counselor cheryl yeah thank you um appreciate everyone's comments and i've been i've been torn on this one for a few different reasons um you know i want to first say that i i don't think uh setting off fireworks uh while they can be fun uh and celebratory i don't think they have anything to do with real patriotism um i also am very thankful for the paddleheads being in our town uh and i appreciate uh miss uh crass comment about the predictability of this whole thing because i think that that that is what people want i think people are going to be more surprised when the fireworks start going off on friday the third then they would be about saturday uh the fourth so um you know there are and and bob makes a very good point i mean we have a lot of noise from other things i have jets flying over my house during big football games i can hear the cannon i can hear um the concerts i mean that's that's part of living in a community um you know but i do think um i mean i've been going back and forth on this one i i do think that i'm going to be um a no vote tonight i think that we need to have some time to uh you know kind of review the contract i think we need to really have a um communications plan around when these events are going to happen to you know broader communication plan because i you know there are there are many many people that are triggered by it and many many pets that are so i i think i'm going to be a no vote tonight i was um i've been really torn because i do see uh i do see the points both directions but i i want to be clear whoever votes no and whoever votes yes it doesn't make you a more of a patriot or not we're all of us are serving our community we are elected officials we obviously believe in this country and believe in um the the power of of government for good and so you know i i just want to say i do not personally believe this has anything to do with patriotism thank you for your comments council cheryl council jordan i've already commented but i just thought of a question that based on what mr ponton said so these folks were advertising a july 4th celebration before they got the permit is that correct oh that is correct yeah that seems like a big boo-boo and i'm not sure how that happened mr sedbury oh did i missed it sorry if you spoke to it yeah i mean i think they they thought because the city administration had signaled that this was going to be in their new lease agreement that they took that and ran with it now i don't think they were necessarily right to do that but i think that's what happened and we learned about it late which is why we had to come at the last minute with a new business item rather than running it through committee thank you you did speak to that thanks for clarifying i appreciate that um that's disappointing all right everybody that's wanted to make a comment has had the chance to okay all right miss tremble roll call vote please all right voting on our second item of new business this evening a motion to approve granting a waiver of noise ordinance in recognition of the 4th of july celebration this year beginning with jordan no mccoy aye melson no nugent yes ponton yes savage yes cheryl cheryl no becerra no campbell yes krask no jones no and that motion has five in favor six opposed it does not pass okay all right i see that matt slarson does have his hand raised and we are going to move on to public comment next on items that are not on the agenda thank you appreciate that um okay this item does not pass i'd like to speak to it for a moment too because um this was a surprise to me that this was coming on as new business i think this is something that we can do better i think this has been a conversation that's been in the making for many years um with the paddleheads and such it is going to be a very important conversation to be having with the paddleheads we have a very unique situation as the city of missoula leasing that space to um a minor league and amateur baseball team there's actually quite a bit to think about here in terms of the success of this team i will say and and this is just one thing we know is one of the reasons that i supported this going forward as a new business item without a going to committee first is that fireworks are one of their more productive um fiscally um fiscally productive shows and they need to be financially solvent in order to work there and it's a consideration that we'll need to think about um but i do think that we owe it to all of us the community and the conversation to be having a conversation about what kind of activities are happening there everybody's comments tonight are very um relevant and salient um and i just didn't want to let this item go by without acknowledging that um certainly from the administration we did not want this to not have a committee item first so my apologies for that um and it won't be that way next time okay thank you all hope everybody has a wonderful fourth of july regardless of what you do i will give a extra public service announcement to say most fireworks are illegal in the city of missoula our fire department and our police department will be out ticketing that evening i would uh encourage you to find safe activities that are legal within the city limits and july 3rd has a full public show at mccormick park thank you very much i appreciate that okay next up we have our consent agenda miss trimble it's a short one let me share my screen for you guys all right on this evening's consent agenda we have a motion to approve accounts payable or claims for checks dated june 23rd 2026 in the amount of 3 million 388 138 138.61 a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign a two-year renewal collective bargaining agreement with the mfpe wastewater treatment plant operators union a motion to approve the resolution approving the form of lease schedule number two authorizing the execution and delivery of a rate lock agreement subject to certain parameters and authorizing the execution and delivery of lease schedule number two and related documents and final item is a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign the professional services agreement with acela inc for permits and licensing software enhanced reporting database and the e-permit hub plans review software okay thank you miss trimble for reading the consent agenda allowed uh both for those that are in the room but particularly those that are listening in or watching on mcat is um is there any public comment on any of the agenda items on the consent agenda all right not seeing any in the room i'll go to folks online public comment on the consent agenda mr larson please mr larson are you able to unmute you're unmuted on this side is that right miss trimble yes okay mr larson you are unmuted on our side you're welcome to start giving your public comment now okay okay okay okay okay hand is up but you were unmuted on this side and we're uncertain of why you're i'll read you the phone number i'll read you the phone number call in and make public comment phone number audio only is 406-384-6960 phone conference id 461-400-421-pound all this information is available at the top of the missoula city council meeting agenda okay public comment is concluded for the consent agenda do any council members wish to abstain or wish to separate a consent agenda item okay mr larson do you wish to make public comment i forgot what was the topic can you remind me so i'm not interrupted by your agenda okay so does that have to do with the claims yes okay appreciate it i'm sorry i just got a little riled up for no reason had some technical issues so i'd appreciate it if you could just like give me a little second to take a deep breath excuse me excuse me okay i guess first i'd like to address this this body's continued gaslighting of disabled people um and the limited access and the limited tools that you give us as the community to navigate these systems um i don't appreciate being lied to by you guys i don't know if it's that or if you really just honestly don't understand that you're actively keeping people from participating and it's a big issue and it just you just you can just allow me to speak just like you are now when i spoke the first time i was interrupted and and i had to send an email and i've had to do two grievance processes um i've had eric halstrom the ada coordinator here say that my use of accessibility has been weaponized and that's who i have to send my appeal to when i am subjected to continued interruptions um gaslighting by your staff and i don't think it's worth four to five thousand dollars a year to have somebody stationed here to gaslight disabled people and it hurts me it hurts other people too um and it's it's very very shameful but thank you for allowing me to speak thank you mr larson all right i believe that is all of the public comment we're in the consent agenda um no separated items voice vote please all right all in favor of this evening's consent agenda say aye aye and any opposed that passes unanimously okay thank you very much all righty we do not have any regular business and uh next we have public comment for items that are not on the agenda public comment for items that are not on the agenda hello councilors mayor davis james crosby ward one nice to see y'all again the marathon is this weekend but you all earned your medal tonight thanks for sticking with it uh at a time when it seems like the world especially our country as a mentality of move fast and break stuff i really deeply appreciate how this council takes time to move with caution and to build community confidence i thank you all for your hard work in this realm it's not a race the marathon's coming sure a lot of people want to move fast for what my feeling as an east coaster growing up in boston where everybody hurries at this stage in my life i realized it's not so bad to be last place especially especially if you're the last best place government wasn't designed to be efficient it was designed to be effective thank you all for being effective and thorough thank you very much for staying late sacrificing time away from your friends your family your pets you are appreciated thank you for hearing us thank you that's very kind mr crosby thank you very much for your comments anybody else for public comment on items that are not on the agenda all right not seeing any and not seeing any online that does wrap up our public comment for items that are not on the agenda communications from the mayor I'll go ahead and skip those and just go around the horseshoe here to see if we have anybody that wishes to make public comment this evening no I'll pass hey counselor savage no answer becera no counselor ponton great ask nelson jordan all right mccoy I'm going short nice all right counselor gamble okay president nugent I hope everybody has a great fourth of july uh whatever you do I think the third is going to be great yeah we don't have council next week so that's kind of like a fourth of july gift to all of us I think uh yeah that's all I have good thank you very much I appreciate that and how about um do we still have miss Cheryl yes councilor Cheryl online I'm still here I just wanted to say happy fourth of july to everyone thank you very much all right folks thank you all it's been a long night thanks for sticking with it I'll adjourn the meeting at 10 29 p.m thank you so much thank you so much for joining us thank you so much for joining us thank you so much for joining us

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Nugent present Ponton present savage I do see her online, Cheryl present And Anderson present perfect I am accounting for Jennifer savage since I do see her online All right, she texted and said she's having some technical difficulties, so we'll figure that out Okay, and you do have 10 members present including her so you do have a quorum regardless All right, thank you very much We have minutes from our previous meeting unless there are any corrections from council those will stand approved I'll cover public comment on items not on the agenda, but under the purview of this committee Seeing nobody jumping up we will move on to our one item of business, which is a Update on the floodplain map preliminary issuance and Mr. Pard you are up. I feel like we haven't got to hang out at LUP in a couple months In a little while Um real quick before we get started Margaret is everyone here from fema? I know we gave them a 110 start time Um, let me see. I don't know if I see arrow parallel are you on I have not seen him come in. Um We can wait a couple minutes because I know that we pushed back a little bit. So Yeah, I did update the invite to them. Thank you Oh Kessie let's just plan on starting at uh 1 or 10 after so just a couple minutes like we said all right perfect thanks you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you Thank you. I think that's everybody from our team. I think we're ready. All right, we will come back in session, and Cassie, the floor is yours. Yeah, I'm Cassie Trapard, the floodplain administrator and a planning manager. This is the consultation coordination officer meeting. We have staff from FEMA and Montana DNRC with us today, and I'll be turning it over to them in a moment. The city and county are coordinating with these two agencies to update the floodplain maps for the Clark Fork and Bitterroot Rivers, and the county will be having their meeting with the commissioners this coming Monday. The preliminary maps were released on May 29th. We are still roughly a year and a half out from adoption of the new maps, but this is a big milestone in the project. This process began in 2019, so it's taken a lot of time and effort to get to this point. And as part of the preliminary map release, we're required to have this meeting so that staff and elected officials can learn about the maps and next steps in the process. And so there will be time to ask questions. We had a similar meeting back in November when the preliminary maps were issued the first time. Since then, there have been some changes in response to county feedback, resulting in a second round of preliminary map issuance. Our current effective floodplain maps are based on data that's about 50 years old. And in addition to having better modeling and surveying technology today, floodplains also shift and change over time. So in order to accurately plan for emergencies and ensure we're building a resilient city, it's important that we periodically update the floodplain maps. Floodplain mapping can be contentious. Over the past few years, we've held multiple open houses, and I've fielded many emails and phone calls from the public. My hope is that this meeting provides you all with an update and gives you some helpful information for responding to concerned constituents. From FEMA, we have Margaret Doherty and Errol Dufour here today. And Shailia Wingard, Tracy Sears, and Doug Brueger are here from DNRC. And with that, I'll turn it over to FEMA staff, and you should be able to share your screen if needed. Thanks. Hi. Thanks, everybody. I think I'll be speaking first, but I'm not sure, Errol, if you were going to do the screen sharing. Sure, Doug. Let me go ahead and get that out for you. Awesome. Thanks, Errol. And thanks, Cassie, for the introduction. I'll also cover some of the introductory information here. And as Cassie mentioned, this meeting is primarily to have discussion and questions with everybody here as needed. So, we, as again, as Cassie laid out very well, are here for the consultation coordination officer meeting for the revised preliminary maps that have had some changes since the initial preliminary release earlier. So, my name's Doug Brueger. I'm the floodplain and dam safety bureau chief with Montana DNRC. I'll give a little more background on the other DNRC and FEMA folks briefly. We've got Tracy Sears and Shailia Wingard, who run the community assistance program. That's a DNRC program that's supported by FEMA. And we've got Errol Defer, who is a contractor with FEMA that has been working on the maps and helping get this preliminary out the door. And Margaret Doherty, who is our FEMA point of contact for these mapping projects. Real quick. Oh, go ahead. I just want to, for the record, note that Councillor Jordan is here and Mayor Davis has joined us as well. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Doug. So, can you guys still see my screen? I have to switch back and forth a little bit here. Yes. Yes, we can. Okay, great. Okay. As Doug mentioned, I'm Errol DeFore. I am the contractor for this project. I'm the project manager for the Strategic Alliance for Risk Reduction. That's what the acronym stands for, STAR2. So, I work in close consultation with Margaret Doherty at FEMA. And we've been contracted to produce the maps moving forward. We made these changes. We made these changes. We made these changes. We made these changes. These revised preliminary changes to your premium products. And we'll be working as a project moves forward towards effective. So, I've been working in close consultation with Margaret and the DNRC folks, Doug Shailia and Tracy as well. So, we'll be working as a team to get these products to you through to effective. So, I want to drill down here on some of the changes that we made. And those changes were prompted by comments that we received after the initial CCO meeting last November. So, we received, or actually after the initial pre-mim that was issued at the end of August, we received those comments in September of last year. And those comments were focused over the stone container le vy system, the political jurisdictional boundaries, and also the orchard home levy system. The omission that was found in Table 8 of the Flood Insurance Study. That's the FIS text that you get along with the maps. So, this initial change that you can see on your screen, this is in regards to the stone container levy system. So, as you see on the figure one to your left, that image there, it's kind of difficult to see. But the stone container levy system is a non-accredited le vy system. And the burns were mapped outside of our special flood hazard area, that area in blue. And you can see the areas of high ground that protrude outside of the flooding. So, according to the FEMA guidance, that was an incorrect approach. And those burns needed to be mapped within the special flood hazard area. And as you can see in the image on the right, that's the revision that was made on the maps that were issued at the end of May, May 29, 2026. So, this affected four panels. It was 1151, 1152, 1153, and 1154. And I refer to just those four numbers at the end because the initial five digits or six digits in that series of numbers refers to the project countywide number, which is that 363C. So, as you can see here, those burns were tucked into the special flood hazard area. And that is the correct approach per the FEMA guidance. So, that was one change that was initiated, which can be visible on the FIRM panels and in the GIS FIRM database. So, it's on those two products that you will see that revision. So, I'll go to the next change. So, another change that was made to the FIRM database, and again, this came from the comments that was issued on the end of September of last year, was the change to the jurisdictional boundaries. The original preliminary used jurisdictional boundaries that were sourced from a 2019 jurisdictional boundary layer . So, what we ended up doing was swapping out this jurisd ictional boundary for a boundary layer that's sourced from September of 2025. And it's a little difficult to see here, too. But the blue circles, those are focused on areas where you can see slight changes in the jurisdictional boundaries. For the most part, the jurisdictional boundaries were very similar, but there were areas because of annexations and de -annexations, where we see changes in the jurisdictional boundaries, and those are encircled in these three areas. So, this layer, it hasn't been a mapped change yet. That will be seen on your panels when you receive them as effective panels. But they are changes that are visible in your FIRM database , the GIS layer. So, you can see that if you pull that into your ESRI ArcGIS software and you pan around, you'll be able to see those changes in the FIRM database. And the last change that I wanted to note was a change in the flood insurance study. This was just an admission of a levy system that needed to be included in Table 8. And Table 8 just displays all of the levy systems that are mapped in Missoula County. And this one was a levy system that was missed. So, the home orchard levy system is a non-accredited levy system. And regardless of it being accredited or non-accredited, it should be included in this Table 8. So, we included that, as you see on the right. That's demarked in the red box there. That was an included levy system in that table. So, that was another change that can be viewed in the flood insurance study, which is that booklet that you get along with the DFIRM maps and the DFIRM database. Any questions about that? Okay. I have one. That's all right. Yeah. So, we've had, like, one annexation at least since even that September layer. I'm wondering if those are changes we continue to, you know , communicate or if at some point we just need to keep moving forward and not changing city boundaries, considering that's something that we're doing a little bit all the time. So, that is a change that you can put forward. So, that is a change that you can put forward. And actually, the MTDNRC will get, they have a portion in this presentation where they'll kind of discuss where you can submit your comments. So, there is an additional time. There is an area in the timeline that you'll see on one of the slides here coming up where you can submit that piece of data. And then we can incorporate that moving forward. So, yes, you can still submit any kind of comments or appeals because we have not had a 90-day appeal period for this study quite yet. And that will be something that you can submit moving forward in the timeline. And you'll see that here. MTDNRC will present on that. So, to your question, yes. Great. Thank you. Okay. I will go ahead and pass it over to either Shailia or Tracy . Thank you. As Doug mentioned, my name is Tracy Sears. I'm with the DNRC floodplain team. I'm the Montana National Flood Insurance Program Coordinator. The only thing I wanted to kind of point out on this slide, this is kind of just talking about this project timeline where our side of the floodplain management kind of comes in to assist the community as they're completing this project. It's going to be right around that spring 2027. That's when FEMA, if everything kind of goes through smoothly, where FEMA issues the letter of final determination. Cassia, we'll be working with you guys pretty closely on updating your regulations at that time to adopt the maps and make sure that your regulations are in compliance with the state and federal regulations. And so, I just wanted to point out that there's kind of a handoff between the mapping side and the community assistance program side just during that final phase of the mapping project. And, you know, I'm happy to answer any questions if you have any for me at this time. Hey, thanks Tracy. This is Doug Brueger. I'll just build a little on what Errol was mentioning in response to Cassie's question too. So, this 90-day appeal period that's coming up, we don't have an exact date for that yet, but it depends a little bit on how responsive some things are on the sort of paperwork filing and processing side. But once we have those dates set, we'll work with you to advertise those and Cassie will follow up with you directly about some of the specific protocol we have for helping you get those put together. And then you can pass those along to essentially us and FEMA. And that can include any updates to those municipal boundaries, which wouldn't necessarily trigger another revised preliminary or anything like that. Those can oftentimes get incorporated into the final maps without needing to reissue preliminary. So, I think, you know, we've even been fielding calls from folks who are keeping an eye on this appeal period. So, we'll be coordinating primarily through Cassie and, of course, Matt with the county, Matt Heimel, to make sure that there's clear visibility on that appeal period once we have the dates finalized. That may be all that we have, Errol, for this slide. Any other, Margaret or anybody want to need to chime in on that timeline slide? Well, I'll just say that the 90-day appeal period, it's a really, once we give you that date, FEMA is very strict about our, we are only able to review data that is submitted during that appeal period. So, Cassie, if you know, and Doug, if you know folks that are anticipating submitting something, we should meet with them sooner rather than later to understand what kind of data and information they intend to submit and whether it would be a valid appeal. And a valid appeal is scientific data from a registered engineer showing that the mapping that we did, that we had Errol's team work on, is incorrect. So, it's a very high bar to reach. It's very difficult. I don't encourage people to spend a lot of time and money on developing appeal data that's not going to be found to be valid. Because, I mean, they could use it later maybe for a letter of map change to the map, but it's a very high bar. So, we'll just want to make sure, Cassie, if you're hearing of anything, Doug, that we start talking about that sooner rather than later. Because if it is something that truly is a valid appeal, it will extend the process significantly by potentially a year , a year and a half. Who knows? So, that's it. That's all I wanted to say about that. Otherwise, we're hoping, since we've already done a revised prelim, that we will meet these milestones as shown here. Because I know there are folks that are interested in getting these maps done as shown. So, hopefully we get there soon. Excellent. Thanks, Margaret. And then, yeah, Earl, I think if you want to pull up that contact slide. Everybody who's kind of chatted today, we've got our information available here. Cassie can help get you in touch as well. And I think that's the segue into discussion and any further questions. Yep. I'll just leave the contact slide up for everybody. All right. Thank you very much for that presentation and all that information. Any questions from Council? You know, floodplain is an issue that we pay attention to, but also know that we have no control over. So, Mayor Davis, did you have a question? I do. Thank you all very much for the presentation. And I have a quick question on the appeal process as it relates to the new map and the release to the public. Is the appeal really to the city of Missoula and Missoula County as the jurisdictions? Are our individual property owners somehow alerted to any changes that might a new floodplain map? And how do you think that's going to impact those property owners? I'm not sure who to direct that question to. I'm trying to understand what the appeal process in public. I may actually, yeah, I see Cassie's taking point on that. That sounds good to me. Yeah. I may not be able to answer every piece of that. It was earlier this year. We sent a postcard to everybody who's impacted by this project, who's either in the current floodplain, in the preliminary map floodplain, or coming out of it. And so we do have that, you know, out there so people are tracking this project and knows it impacts them. And since then, I've been fielding a lot of questions based on that postcard. I will be posting the appeal period once we know the dates on Engage Missoula for everyone as well. And I have a list of a few people who want me to actually email them when it begins. So far, I'm not hearing of any actual data that might rise to the level of an appeal as much as just people preparing to see if that's a timeline that they can, you know, feas ibly meet if they start looking into it with an engineer. Did that answer your question? You can have a follow-up. Thank you. Yes. Only one. Cassie, thank you. It does. It is helpful. And if I understood that correctly, we have sent out one postcard with, and some folks have indicated follow-up, but we're not sending out a second postcard. Is that correct? We were not planning on sending out another postcard, but rather as we move forward, going through our other means of communications, like working with the media to get some information. We're not sending out through them. We're not sending out through them. We're not sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. 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We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. We're sending out a second postcard. Yeah, I can speak to nothing with insurance companies. I did attend a Missoula Organization of Realtors meeting, though that was probably, gosh, a year or two ago. It's probably a good time to go back to them again just because I'm sure they have people, you know, changing on their end. And then, of course, I've been just one on one talking to a lot of realtors in town who are aware of this project and asking how it impacts properties they're currently trying to sell so that they can make buyers aware ahead of time. But I think it would be nice to schedule another meeting with MOR so that information can continue to get out there. Yeah, that's great. Thank you. And maybe MOR can actually be helpful for other associations. I don't know, like the Montana Bankers Association. I would have think that they would be tracking something like this, but I don't know. Thank you. That's helpful. Thank you, Mayor. Ms. Cheryl. Yeah, thanks. And I'm sorry I needed to step out for a quick second. So I may have missed, excuse me, if you had said this, but did you say how many separate property owners this change will affect? I mean, how many postcards did you have to send out, I guess? Oh, I'd have to look back through files to get the exact number, but I think within the city, it came in somewhere around in the 800s. And then I think the county had a lot more than that. County actually made a mistake and also sent postcards to city residents. So city residents received two postcards. Okay. Thanks. All right. Any other questions from council? Well, you're not council, but Doug, go right ahead. Oh, there I go. Yeah. Just thought I'd add a couple of, a couple of notes in response to some of those questions. Please do. So when that eight, that, that 800 number, um, just to, just to clarify, uh, that is sort of the list of anybody who's had floodplain on their property before or since. So even if you had say floodplain removed, um, you're often on that list to, to get notice. So, um, so it's a, it's a big number and right, rightly so, but I just thought I'd add a little context there. Um, and then the other, uh, question I, I might actually, I don't want to put you on the spot, Tracy or Shylea, but maybe you could speak a little bit to, you know, their, uh, their program specifically, uh, spends a lot of time with outreach. With outreach to, to realtor associations and the insurance industry on, on the process in general. And, um, we've, in my experience, at least, uh, uh, banks, insurers, lenders, they, they tend to be pretty on top of these processes and, and these preliminary maps that, that Errol was talking about. Those get sort of, those are available online and, and people, people track those down, but I'll let Tracy speak to it. That's a little more, a little more authority here. Yeah, no, I appreciate that, Doug. Um, yeah, just really quickly. Uh, we do, um, Shylea and I do work with real estate, uh, organizations throughout the state to put on some workshops . We could definitely coordinate with you, Cassie, on that one as well. Um, but they do have individuals, whether it's the lenders or the mortgage company and even an insurance side that are looking at the federal register. And so, um, there are changes that are being made, but it's going to be the changes of a effective map. And so, so they are definitely aware of what's kind of coming down the pipe. Um, they, they have, uh, you know, industry standards that they, they have to meet statutory requirements. And so they're looking at this way at the time, just so sure to judge kind of where what's going on in the background with those entities. Um, and we do try to coordinate with the, the Montana, um, insurance commissioner, um, Brown's office, um, quite a bit to try to give them a heads up on some of these projects that are coming up as well. hey if i can just add this is shyly with tracy and the community assistance program i just want to add some information on the local level kind of specific to what the mayor was inquiring for the past two years we have worked directly with the missoula organization of realtors and we have invited cassie and matt to be a part of that we do touch upon a little section in that presentation where we have shown them these draft maps and kind of how to use some of that information to look up when they're looking for that this past march when i met with them and i did a presentation there was about 36 local realtors there they all seem to be keenly aware of these new maps coming and you know appreciated learning how to use that system so they could share that with stakeholders so thank you thank you i forgot there was a meeting in march and i just couldn't attend glad you clarified all right well thank you all very much for all the information and the update on the process um i don't see any other questions from council so uh cass ie unless there's anything that you wanted to add um i think we can go ahead and wrap up nothing more for me okay well thank you all very much and we will be adjourned thank you yep thank you

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And we have minutes from June 10th. Are there any changes to those minutes? Okay. Seeing those changes, those will stand approved. And do we have public comment on any items not on the agenda related to parks and conservation? see fine okay so we have one item of committee business and this is an informational item only but assuming we have time and there's anyone that would like to make a comment afterwards for public comment I will certainly allow that and so this is information on our developed parks and trails land care philosophy and management and marina yoshioka our parks director is here to give us information so hi it's on there we go marina yoshioka parks and recreation director I'm going to be talking about land care philosophy and management specifically as it relates to developed parks and trails division these are the topics I'm going to hit today and I'm going to be focusing the conversation on our use of herbicides within the system I'm going to hit our current program how we approach decision making our organic pilot project community expectations how we compare to other cities and then some considerations for the future I need to be closer no I don't want to like much over it okay is that better all right so developed parks and trails is one of the multiple divisions within the parks and recreation department developed parks and trails think of it as the parks that are in the valley so I'm not talking about mount jumbo I'm not talking about conservation lands we have 72 developed parks 30 plus miles of trails and greenways that includes our commuter trails and what I'm going to be focusing on today in the talk of herbicide use is the 420 acres of managed turf turf turf turf turf means grass and it's the technical word we use in the industry and this is the type of manicured grass that you find on lawns athletic fields meadows within the park system and maintenance as I'm going to speak to it today is the care involved in main in caring for that turf so when the grass is short when it's mowed fertilized aerated that's what we mean by maintenance on turf our care standards go by what the turf is used for so there's these different categories we have sports turf which is for like athletic fields general active common passive these are more of like the lawns and meadows where you may picnic and play when you're in the park we have non irrigated which is more native share escape so that typically looks a little longer and more dry and then medians of right of way so those are the medians like within the road and roundabouts so integrated pest management this is a fancy name for how we make decisions integrated pest management breaks down into four categories the first is to identify the second is to monitor then you set thresholds and then you apply a tool from you start like with the least harmful tool first and we have a seven step hierarchy of what tools we use so the most most common one is mowing and irrigation practices then if mowing and irrigation is not sufficient for maintaining the type of turf that one desires you may then go on to fertilization aeration third is mechanical control that's what we mean by hand pooling so the mechanical removal of weeds then there's mulching which suppresses germination you've got field rotation and use restrictions so kind of like rest rotation you'll see this in the summer when some of the the athletic fields are closed that's what we use the athletic fields are closed that's because the turf needs a break to be able to grow and then last on this list is herbicides and it's what we use least frequently when trying to maintain turf jennifer i think you're you need to maintain turf jennifer i think you're you need to mute yourself all right so applying herbicides on turf there's two main methods spot application and broadcast application um typically parks and recreation staff do spot applications and we typically broadcast i mean we contract out broadcast application we can do broadcast but that's usually done by a contractor and all of our staff are licensed and trained and um we exceed label like we exceed notice um laws and we post 24 hours before and after each spraying so when people are out and about in the system and they see those signs it's because we want to let people know where spraying has occurred so they can avoid it if they so choose i'm using data from 2025 here are three different graphs let's look at turf area i think that one's the most interesting so i've mentioned earlier that we have about 420 acres of managed turf and you'll see that herbicide was applied to 23 percent of the acreage that's less than a quarter that is um a small percentage if you look at landscape beds and fence lines those are also less than half the takeaway from the take away from the take away from this graph that i want to emphasize is that spraying of our lands is um or spring a minority of them right not a majority we're not spraying everything everywhere and i feel like that's a very important thing to notice this is a list of all the locations where we have used herbicide in 2025 we keep records of where we spray and what the conditions are here's a list of the right here's a list if you're interested for developed parks trails and medians and boulevards this is the cost of spraying each year um this is typically average we see a little bump in fiscal year 25 as we had new um properties come into the system and we can expect that every year as the park system grows with additional parks that this number would increase a little bit so these are the herbicides we use in 2025 i've divided them by the ones applied by staff and then those applied by our contractors got epa registration number manufacturer brands and application rates for those who are interested so all of this information is available online um and this is the link to get to it you can also just google vegetation management city of missoula and it'll take you there so now let's talk a little bit about mccormick park and the organic pilot project um we use the words organic words have definitions i'm going to be talking about that middle one which is organic containing 95 percent organic ingredients mccormick park pilot project started in 2019 with a grant from grow safe and healthy babies we partnered with osborne organics and beyond pesticides to come study the soils of mccormick mccormick park and develop a recipe for how to transition to organic and i'm going to just go down to 2025 where having applied the recipes that they gave to us we're seeing improved root depth from one inches to four inches and so like the soils are improving they're becoming healthier you're still seeing weeds there because it takes multiple years of transition before you can become weed free typically more weeds will grow before the soil is healthy enough to stop them so some lessons that we've learned from the pilot project as we've thought about how we can expand this system wide is that every park soil is different and so the recipes that were designed by the consultant for mccormick park cannot be copy pasted onto onto other parks each park requires its own recipe we also have um for the past couple years we have a bunch of locations that are always herbicide free so that is playgrounds picnic shelters splash decks volleyball courts and dog off leash areas all of those are always herbicide free we have a rotating list of herbicide free parks and that list is posted on our website every year you can also find it on the link i shared earlier so for 2026 this is the list of parks that will not be sprays that will not be sprayed in any capacity and then we also have a list of turf areas that we don't spray because as i mentioned earlier we sometimes spray landscape beds and fence lines so community context while we have a lot of people in the community who don't want to come in contact with herbicides there is also another part of the community that values the use of herbicides and managing turf because it allows you to get to an aesthetic quality that is much more difficult to achieve in an herbicide free context and so i just wanted to highlight that we have a couple agreements with three different hoas where we have cost share agreements to spray and fertilize in order to have a higher aesthetic turf in those locations so how do we compare to other cities i've highlighted three boulder colorado is known as having the most advanced organic program they've been herbicide free for over 15 years and they only use herbicides as a contingency when approved by council when they have a spread of weeds eugene oregon operates a very similar program to ours they're similar size they have a handful of parks that are herbicide free but they recognize the value of the value of being fiscally conservative with turf management and so they still apply herbicides as appropriate and then compared to montana we are the only city that has an organic park and that has herbicide free locations using herbicides still remains the conventional standard practice across the state a little deeper into boulder because many people have pointed me in that direction as a model for inspiration aspiration and what we could model over here some highlights and key takeaways is um total department budget boulder has 44 million missoula is around 16 million this is a figure from 2025 you'll see in my presentation next week that our baseline budget is 17 million so i just want to note that difference here first um for developed parks which is as much as we could compare similarities between the two departments boulder has 5.5 million in their budget and we have 4.2 million which is relevant when you look at their managed turf acres being 345 and ours 420 so we have a million less dollars and more acreage and then also more importantly staff fte they average about double the amount of staff we have and that's because as i mentioned earlier the first thing is that we have a lot of our mechanical pooling of weeds is one of the most effective methods of weed control especially if you're not going to use herbicides and that requires manpower so future considerations as we think about what is a responsible land care ethic for the city of missoula like how do we want to be treating our properties first i want to remind everyone that parks our climate infrastructure and the healthier our soil is and the healthier our turf and plants are they contribute to soil carbon sequestration and urban heat island mitigation and all this wonderful list i've put up on the screen and these are all climate commitments made by the city and so when we consider a different system we have to weigh the costs so what do things cost what is labor we know that organic management is much more labor intensive we also know that it requires a timeline of transition so typically properties take three to five years of transition before the soil is healthy enough to resist weeds on its own the reason i mentioned that is because during those three to five years you will see dandelions you will see weeds and you might see them for longer than five years mccormick is full of dandelions in the early spring i think it's beautiful but as we know aesthetics are personal and other people may find that completely unacceptable and then any sort of change would require strong community support so should council want the department to consider alternative methods of land care management than the ones we're currently employing i'd recommend a professional assessment where we could hire a consultant to do a baseline study of the soils within our different parks because each park was acquired in a different way through annexation or development and the soils are all different as i said it's not a replicable recipe and ideally the consultant would provide us this baseline information which would give us the recipes and we could then have a good cost estimate and estimate of what resources would truly be required to transition fully to be herbicide free if that is what we wanted to do and then with that list of cost and resources we could go out to the community and find out if this is something that the residents of missoula support and would like to invest in i'm happy to take any questions thank you um i'm imagining we will have some questions um but i wanted to let my colleagues and know you know i know this is something that we've been talking about and we were hoping to get it in a little a little bit earlier but it's coming at a good time because we are obviously in this moment right now that we're considering budget right so um you know the budget considerations are uh real i think the uh being realistic uh about the cost uh and getting that cost estimate uh would be something that we would need to budget even for that for maybe a consultant to help us with the soil configuration things um just so i understand uh as first of all turf i know you said this but i'm gonna say it again turf is not not synthetic turf it's just grass that we're playing on really um so you know i i think that as we're as we're looking at this i i think we need to be realistic about it and also think about some of those communities will you go back to that slide which is a comparison of the communities that have been kind of we've been pushed to look towards so you know the maybe that's one of them there's another one too but but they're very i mean they're they're similar communities and probably some of their um ideals and things they would like to see they're not similar communities necessarily in their tax structure um done a lot of conservation work in the past and looked at different funding sources and i can tell you for sure because i did a lot of uh stuff in colorado that colorado is very different from us um partially because they have a sales tax and they just can add little things on that way um so so anyway i think i think that's where i'll stop and see if there are any other questions about this presentation uh kristin go ahead thank you thank you for the presentation um my question is you mentioned that we have different contractors that also help spray and i'm curious who they all are yes the contractors are true green and 406 fertilizer that may that sounds wrong 406 fertilization good distinction thank you close that's my question thanks um and you know the other thing that i think i i wanted to point out too just having um worked through this is there there's uh different work programs and different volunteer programs in different communities that are that are pretty robust in helping significantly um with some of that mechanical when you say mechanical it's so funny you have your own words because when you say mechanical i think there's some you know uh a weed puller out there not an actual weed puller like me as being a person so um okay uh stacy go ahead thanks so much um for the presentation i just i my request act it's my questions request if you could i think that it the showing of the graphs of like the weed how much herbicide is being presented i think would be really helpful to put on the parks website i know you said that there's a list each year that has but i think that maybe a tile under engagement zula or something's directly on the parks page because i think this would be a really this presentation to me is a really great place to send people who want to start having a conversation about like you know concerns around the uses of herbicides in our parks um and so i you did such a great job i want other people to look at so that would be my thank you thank you and this is this presentation is attached to the agenda as well so i think that that's um i think that's important to push press or anyone that's interested in and looking at it more closely i keep getting thrown out of the meeting and i just got thrown out again so i think justin's hand was up but also will someone help me manage the meeting thank you madam chair i appreciate the presentation i was looking at the slide comparing missoula to boulder with you know the budget and the amount of maintained acreage and things like that um can you talk to me about what the line item is for full-time park staff and i only ask because for missoula it says five and we're fresh off the hr buzzer presentation earlier where i think parks has mentioned is having close to 400 fte so can you talk to me about what that specific line item is yes so parks and recreation as a department as a whole right now yes we have about 400 employees with the summer season this is focused on developed parks and trails division and within that division there are five fte that are year round and then in we have 27 seasonals that are about i think 10 month seasonals so that 27 does not equal 27 fte it's a little less i don't have that number off the top of my head and the other fte's that you heard about in the hr presentation are in other divisions whether that ecosystem services urban forestry recreation programs the pools um planning we have a bunch of different teams that's helpful thank you one follow-up uh just staying in the vein of comparing missoula to boulder for this example this might be anecdotal but do you have any sense for why they have you know 6x the staff for less acreage um when we met with city of boulder so our turf experts met with their turf experts to talk about how they did it and our understanding is that because organic land management requires so much more intensive care that they had a larger staff to be able to do that they had a large year-round team that was solely dedicated to organic management our team with these fte's while i'm talking today about managed turf they don't only do managed turf they're also doing all the maintenance and all the parks in the valley so repairing fences toilets trash cans um painting all the things that make the park look nice it's this small crew that does it and managing turf is a small part of their workload or large but it's a portion of it super helpful context thank you looking at one computer and leaning over to this i think mike's hands up uh thank you chair um staying on the kind of boulder comparison uh my understanding is they also have some sort of volunteer program that helps pick weeds could you expand on that a little bit for me boulder has a variety of work programs as we understand it some are volunteer and some seem to be voluntold right appreciate that um just because in this broader conversation i think that um boulder's been used by by someone's example that they can do it we can do it and and you know these numbers kind of compare budgets and and things like that and i don't pretend to understand how local government in boulder is funded compared to montana um so they have a volunteer group but then my understanding is they also use prison labor in their program is that accurate that is my understanding okay and do you know and you probably don't but do you know do they pay prevailing wage for the prison labor or do they get a discount unfortunately i don't have those answers okay if that is something we would like to explore i could always visit with the county sheriff to see what options we have well i just think from a comparison standpoint if if if people want to use that as a comparison for a program we could run i think it's important to know what the true cost and really that's not something that's even available to us nor would i think this council would ever want to endorse something like that but um i think it'd be good for the true cost so all right i think we would have a conversation about whether that would be prison labor something we would want to uh do as a as a community um do you have um and and maybe this is something that you could follow up with but when we look at mccormick and i know that that has been our pilot um pilot park and you and i had a discussion sitting in your office looking out at all the dandelions which i agree i thought were actually kind of nice but that you also know that you get complaints about um do you know what year are we in that program three years are we at three years now i know this precedes six we're at six i have the slide up okay share screen okay sorry i can't i'm your microphone okay so um okay and do we know the price have we do we know the price of what the price difference in what has happened in this park in particular of what it was and what it is i could get those numbers i know one of the struggles with pricing out mccormick as a good comparison is that it went unfunded or not fully funded for a couple years so therefore the transition has been piecemeal and we do know that kind of staggering and doing things in pieces not only extends the timeline but can make it more expensive so in that way i can find that number but i don't think it's a good indicator of what it may cost across the system okay thanks kristen i think okay kristen go ahead thank you a couple other things first of all i want to thank you for continuing to have the conversation and explore options and the possibilities here it's it's something that is really important to a lot of folks and i appreciate you being open and curious and still exploring things um and then the other thing i wanted to say too is that we do have a community service program here where people have to do community service hours and they get to go to various non-profits um to work those community service hours so that could be a potential resource that we could use that is within the court system um i know that some of our departments have had community service folks before and i think donna had a program going or she did and then i think something happened but um i might have that wrong i just wanted to put that on your radar that that could be a really cool potential way to get some help as well but thank you again for continuing this conversation yeah yeah something happened with that program and i there's something that didn't go very well with that program but i can't remember what it was and my my understanding is that it it would be a massive amount of labor like this wouldn't be something that could be you know a few people have community service and it it works to actually support the program there was there were a lot of hours um committed to it so i mean just knowing you know going in eyes wide open if we want to go in this direction um do you have any sense uh okay let's see let me ask one more do you have any sense of um to do to have the consultant come in and give us recipes for all the parks and a whole plan to move forward do you have any sense about what that that step would cost and maybe if we were going to then do a community survey and try to you know try to make sure that this is something that you know see how the community at large feels about this and what their tolerance for the dandelions that we don't mind um might be um do you have any sense of what the the costs associated with those two things might be i don't have a true cost very preliminarily and this could be incorrect is for the consultant my research says anywhere 50 000 to 100 000 but without a true request for proposals i cannot give an accurate number at this point in time okay i just i'm asking some of these questions just because i know it's been a topic that all of us have been um thinking about and learning about um and trying to dig in on and i want counsel to understand maybe what what the next step options might be and what those costs might be if we're going if as we're going into budget season two so um betsy thanks and thanks for being here um you might not be able to expand on this much but i'm curious if there's a professional assessment and a community survey and all signs pointed to like this is what we want to do and this is where we're going um knowing like let's say that all we paid for that somehow and that all came through and you're looking at the budget this year i'm curious if you have an idea of what um the budget implications of moving to um an herbicide free management plan would be within the parks and rec landscape um whether that would be a budget request of x number of dollars above the current operating budget whether it would be you know um we would look at programs and we would have to cut programs or like what that if you have any sense of trade-offs of um implementing that within the current budget so within the current budget if we roughly estimate that we need a million more dollars just using boulder as a comparison right so this is not based in our baseline data i want to be very clear about that i'm going off the example million more dollars and twice as much staff the budget cannot absorb that cost without making that amount of cuts in other programs which i would not recommend so either adding that to taxes or i mean you know i'm i'm i i see where you're going with that too right i mean this and this is i think what you know many of us if not all of us are struggling with like let's you know there we would need to allocate some money for figuring out whether whether what we should do and then we would have to get a real number on what that means um and then we would have to fund that somehow and and since a bake seal wouldn't do it like we're going to have to add to taxes or cut programs and so i i just think it's it's good to welcome to budget season um you know this is something i think we struggle with every year uh are there kristen your hand still okay go ahead um i do oh shoot i just lost one train of thought but i had a question about the organic plan that the consultant gave us i actually haven't had a chance to really do a deep dive um have we ever had a chance to implement the full plan and if so where are we at with it if not how can we have not just curious about where we're at with what they recommended yeah i think we're at implementing as they recommended so we're now using the products and we have the tools and that's where we're seeing improvements in the soil the plan was only for mccormick sorry i didn't mean to interrupt but the plan that we had done was only for mccormick correct okay great and um gosh i just remembered and forgot my thought again it was about i do appreciate that you you plan to take this out to a survey to mazullians i think as we talk about costs and we're coming into budget season the the way this is just a broad statement just apologies but the way that we show that we're representing mazullia's values is by spending money on things that they find important so having a survey done in this whole process is great and i appreciate that very much and i think that's it for my questions but we'll see what happens and my understanding is the survey is something that we would have have to have to decide to fund in the budget so it's just i mean i just want to be clear that we're all on the same page here we haven't decided at this point that where we're going with this and really i want to echo what um miss jordan said i you have come into this job and just like dug into this and knew immediately it was something that was was you jumped in the middle of and i've been um you know working with with donna and lincoln um for quite a long time and um allison who's right behind you um uh for a long time kind of trying to dig into this and understand it and i really appreciate the time and and interest in kind of trying to to see what is a reasonable way to to go forward um if council decides to do that and what that would actually cost to do so um anyway i don't wait oh i do see hands up now mike uh thanks just a couple more um kind of questions around i can't remember if it was in a public meeting or just in a meeting that i've had with some park staff but we discussed a little bit about the difficulty of um kind of having a managed space right next to a space that's not managed uh because of the kind of tendency for for weeds to spread or for like private houses that border a park that's not managed um more specifically kind of with that context in mind is there a way to kind of further limit where we apply herbicides when it comes to our sports fields um because i know like for instance the the soccer fields at playfair park are in are in good shape and appear to be kind of lush grass the baseball fields a little bit less but then fort missoula is kind of just beautiful all the way around um and obviously it's newer and it's probably been more actively managed so i'm wondering if it's possible to focus on just like small areas to even further kind of reduce the the footprint of herbicides um kind of a tough question but take a stab at it there's no right answer here so one of the reasons um fort missoula looks so good is because when it was built the soil sandwich we'll call it was built in healthy and strong right so it had all the components that you'd need to be able to grow really healthy turf and a lot of our parks that we've you know have been there over time they weren't built to those same standards and that makes it really difficult to keep the weed pressure out and so the herbicide application is different in all locations and also based on use so fort missoula being the athletic fields those are competition fields they get extra attention also that is a um a fee recovery model so there's also lots of different um lots of different funding reasons that drive decision making and management and herbicide is a cost effective um tool that we use sparingly to achieve the goals the community has in terms of what the turf looks like um follow-up so and obviously you kind of reference fort missoula and the fee recovery and i imagine that to charge a good fee the fields need to be weed free people don't want to pay to rent a sports facility that doesn't appear to have good turf correct that is my understanding fort missoula attracts international level competition and therefore those turf fields um have no weeds in them so two follow-ups and then i'll be i can be okay good um the uh some of the other fields obviously in our system are still rentable like there's softball fields at mccormick park um and i was uh i had people in town for the marathon last year and they happened to have a relative who was in the softball tournament and so i went with them to a game out at fort missoula and they were raving about how gorgeous it was and then there was another game that was at mccormick park and i remember the contrast between those two fields and obviously explained some of the where we got there but um the weeds were so bad at the mccormick park softball fields that the tournament organizer actually apologized to the teams for the condition and so i'm curious are those softball fields part of the study right now or are they outside of the kind of test study zone those two softball fields are herbicide free and under organic management and i believe the team next week is uh spraying them with a vinegar mixture recipe interesting and then my last question okay quickly because we got a big lineup good questions there are there are no one's questions are bad we just have a lot of people the boulder comparison and you might have to go do some research on this but it going back to boulder as a as a comparison i'm sure they have the same types of demands for sports fields that are in competition shape and charge rent and all that so i'm just curious and you can look for answers for these if there's kind of extra attention they have to pay to those to make sure that they can get the fee recovery and not to dip into this but if the city of boulder has artificial turf fields in their portfolio of rentable fields i don't know about the artificial turf in their portfolio i do know they have competition level athletic fields and perhaps i'm not making the point i'm trying to make organic transition is possible being herbicide free is possible it just requires a high level of investment in time and resources and those resources being people so fte and money people and money or the cost of the field like the getting the other fields up not standard at for missoula maybe not up to the cost recovery piece i need to move on because we have lots of hands up and chris and i'm moving you to the bottom there because i've got you've asked some questions but i'll try to get to you stacy and i i'm seeing hands move around so uh stacy wait stacy you've asked a question too haven't you i have yes okay i'm going to gwen then okay so i try to get to you guys i spray vinegar on my in my yard and it um i hate the smell so i do it it before i leave for the weekend so it does work though um but i wanted to ask you about there were you listed the parks where you don't spray every park every year and if you look at that those uh the the list there in fact you're doing a lot a lot of times less than 50 so it sounds like oftentimes those parks are going two years without herbicides is it a static list or do you just decide each year based on what you're seeing how does how does that work in terms of predictability for the the um public yes we try to keep parks on that list as long as possible the list is updated every year and it depends on the weed pressure and so once a park has healthier soils it can be treated for weeds and it may last two three four growing seasons without needing another treatment amir to go ahead my my question is similar um i looked on the parks and recreation website and there's a lot of information for anyone who wants to learn more about this and also for the public and there's a list of all the parks my question is um how are we um informing the public um other than the be at the website or do we have notifications of this is a you know herbicide free park or how does that work so that people know when they get to the park and they can make a decision whether they want to roll in the grass or not as of now we only provide notice of locations that are um being sprayed or having been sprayed within 24 hours thank um i can't totally remember who has asked questions and who hasn't but i'm going to go to betsy betsy have you asked a question okay yeah okay go ahead go ahead and ask yours quickly because i'm going to try to get to everyone i just want to um know about the intentionality of um all of this literature through the parks is herbicide free parks and i'm curious about the use of the word herbicide versus pesticide and um i could be wrong it's my understanding that herbicides are pesticides but pesticides aren't herbicides necessarily do you mind just clarifying that yes and you are correct pesticide is an umbrella term it means chemicals that kill and under it are multiple different kinds herbicide is one there's insecticide fungicide pesticide um and i'm focusing specifically on herbicides because we're talking about treating weeds great thank you so much okay i stacy's hand was i thought your hand was up first though kristen is that true okay i'm your hands are all moving around because betsy's moved to uh kristen go ahead i'm sorry i just wanted to say really quickly i do think we have some public comment for folks and it's an informational and i think people don't always understand that there's not often public comment on informational stuff so hoping we can squeeze some of that in yeah i'm gonna thank you i'm gonna try to do that um i'm gonna need to take a little bit of time from your committee stacy if that's okay that's fine and i just lowered my hand oh you did lower your hand okay good i'm gonna uh thank you so much i'm gonna push you off the microphone because i agree we need to try to take public comment um and i yeah like i said at the beginning we don't always take public comment on um informational items but i would like to um please come up and um if anyone would like to make public comment please come up and i'm gonna give you three minutes here so uh allison and state your name for the record of course my name is allison ranchus with grow safe non-toxic missoula and i really appreciate that you are considering the land care philosophy and management so all of you thank you so much um there were a couple of things i'm definitely going to follow up with marina on one thing that popped up is that implementation i if we are now at 100 with mccormick that's wonderful but we have never been any other year and for those first years we were at about 20 implementation so we definitely haven't reached that three to five year timeline and then i just wanted to give a story about sacajawea park which is almost always on the herbicide free list including this year i lived across the street from the time my kids were toddlers up until second grade they really liked the playground and the splash deck but building fairy houses under those big maple trees was their favorite thing and i never questioned why there was a ring of bare dirt at the base it took years before i realized the city was spraying glyphosate to clear the grass purely for cosmetics cosmetics so for eight years my children touched breathed and tracked that pesticide residue into our home their little hands and faces down in the dirt and while the city doesn't spray playground splash decks picnic shelters and some of these other areas it's important to remember that those are cement or wood chip or sometimes the the the the foam they aren't grass and the grass surrounding them where the families actually sit is often still sprayed so if we think about rose park for years the city sprayed that get that grass with an application that is often a mix of three active ingredients 2,4-d dicamba and mecaprop p each of those is highly toxic each is linked individually to cancer neurotoxicity birth defects and organ damage two of them are toxic to mammals so that's every one of us in this room and every child in missoula when we say we don't spray playgrounds that gives a full sense of security pesticides drift as we've talked about 2,4-d used there at rose park in many cases can stay airborne for weeks or and drift for miles so a child who never touches the grass which isn't going to happen would still be breathing in the pesticide and exposure to 2,4-d nearly triples the risk of parkinson's we used to believe that the dose makes the poison we now know that exposure to a mix of chemicals and we've known this for decades even at very low levels can have permanent effects so when we imagine a family at rose park they're going to spread the blanket on the lawn there beside the playground a baby who might be with them as they're crawling on the grass putting its fist in its mouth these aren't hypotheticals they happen every day in every park in missoula and just like me with sacajawea families don't realize what they're being exposed to the signs up for a day two days a week aren't enough warning people don't understand what this means we need to move beyond or beside free lists and i really appreciate that you're having this conversation thank you so much thank you allison appreciate you coming today um anyone else let me look i think we've got some wait is there someone online uh okay uh vicki watson i am going to allow your microphone and you have three minutes and i'll um i'll you should be able to unmute now and i will time you here in the room are you able to unmute vicki you look like you should be on our end vicki i don't see i see that you're you should be able to unmute on your end to give public comment uh can you hear me yeah there you go go ahead and i'm going to time you on my end for three minutes right there's no unmute button it was something else i had to click uh okay well uh vicki watson professor emeritus at the university and i really want to thank the council city parks and grow safe for all your efforts to reduce herbicide use in missoula's parks and for being such a good role model for private landowners and others other communities here in montana i just i'll just echo allison's comments about how important it is to reduce the use of toxic products on our public land essential both to our community and to our other inhabitants of our land and water i know transition to organic practices takes time and money and while still using these products i think it's very important to give adequate notice to the public so that they can avoid areas where it's been applied i think the current notice of the day before and day after is too short and i think there should be a week's notice before application that goes out to the general public and then especially to the neighbors of that public land and then leave up the warning signs for at least a week after the application um recently sprayed the whole campus with a mixture of herbicides and they took down the warning signs the same day i saw children and dogs rolling on grass that had been sprayed just a few hours earlier i would also like to see parks partner with u of m student services program i think we could get some students out to help pull weeds and at the same time learn what's involved in order to adopt practices that will use less herbicide so thank you again yeah thank you so much for your comment and i i just would say that uh the city's not spraying the university of montana campus weeds is that correct correct correct i'm just saying i want the city to be a great role model that i hope the university will emulate and improve its practices okay thank you i appreciate that comment i just wanted to make um clear for the public record that that wasn't us spraying that um okay so i'm sorry that we went over um but really appreciate all of the um engagement appreciate marina and and allison and vicky for coming to comment and with that we'll be adjourned

Thank you. Thank you. Eric Melson. Mike Nugent. Present. Justin Potten. Present. Jennifer Savage. Amber Sherrill. Present. I see that Jennifer is on. I know that she's been having technical difficulties with logging in and being able to speak. Okay. She is present and we have a quorum. Yes. Okay. Great. Well, thanks so much. We have approval for minutes from our meeting on June 3rd. Seeing any changes? None. No one's jumping up on that one. Great. All right. We have only... Oh, wait. I will take public comment on items not on the agenda under the preview. I see no public here in the room and don't see anybody online. So with that, we actually have a slight change to the agenda. We will not be hearing item 3.1 today. We'll be hearing that later in July. So we only have one item on the agenda for consideration today. I'll invite up Angela Simonson, HR Director, to present the MFPE Wastewater Treatment Plant Operators Union Contract. And if I could get an assist with the microphone, Mr. Nug ent, I'd appreciate it. Thank you, committee members. Nice to see you again. For the record, my name is Angela Simonson. I'm the Chief Human Resources Officer here at the City of Missoula. I'm here today to ask for you to approve and authorize the mayor to sign a new two-year renewal collective bargaining agreement with the MFPE Wastewater Treatment Plant Operators Team, which is housed in the Public Works and Mobility Department . We began negotiations in early May and were able to reach an agreement fairly quickly in early June. This agreement allows for a market adjustment of 2% and a COLA of 4% for fiscal year 27, and then a COLA only for the second year. The anticipated increase for wages and all other negotiated increases for fiscal year 27 is $51,421, and $19,119 for fiscal year 28. Again, I'm seeking your approval to authorize the mayor to sign this two-year agreement in time for staff to see their new wages and benefits take effect on 7-1-26. Thank you so much. Any questions from council members? Mr. Pong. Thank you, Madam Chair. No questions, but I would like to make the recommended motion. Great. Thanks so much. That motion is in order. Continue to note, no public here in the room or online. With that, do we have any questions or, sorry, comments or questions from council members? Appreciate the work. As you highlighted earlier today, how much the union contract negotiations takes up on your plate. So, all right. I'm going to dare to take a voice vote on this. So, all those in favor of authorizing the mayor. There was no comment. Appreciate it. It does take a village. All right. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed. All right. With that, it will be on the consent agenda on Monday night . And with that, folks, we are done with today's public safety, health, and operations. Enjoy the rest of your sunny afternoon.

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But on Friday in the parking lot of the Great Burn, I will be hanging out for a couple hours. I have a new Lego sign. It was created in part with AI. I do admit that. And I think it looks pretty cool. And it will have my old Pavarillo Lego figure with me running the hot team. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Mateer. I've seen nobody else online and no other public comments in the room. So we will move on to our agenda. We have a couple of quick items before we jump into our budget stuff. So item 3.1. Griffin. Thank you, Lee Griffin, City Finance Director. Today I'm bringing forward a financing resolution for a lease financing. This is something that we bring forward to City Council annually. And these lease financings are the method by which we finance our capital equipment replacement schedule. And this is a schedule that gets approved by City Council during the budget process every year. And then we have some period of time before we need to finance. This particular schedule will have a principal amount not to exceed $4.4 million and an interest rate not to exceed 4.75% with the term not to exceed 15 years. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Any questions from anybody on Council? Ms. Cheryl. Ms. Cheryl. I'm going to surprise you, but I do not have questions, but I'd be happy to make the recommended motion. I appreciate your reliability. I will call for public comment on the motion. Seeing none in the room and nobody raising their hand online. Any questions or comments from Council? Ms. Cheryl. Seeing none, let's go ahead and do a voice vote. All those in favor of the motion on the floor under item 3.1, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. That motion carries unanimously and can be placed on the consent agenda. Next, we have item 3.2, which is an agreement for permitting and plans examination software with the Acela Incorporation. And Mr. Banzinger, you are up. Mr. Banzinger, you are up. Good morning, everyone. 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Mr. Banzinger, we have the Planning Department that handles our land use and zoning subdivisions, SEAs, ZCPs, and all those sort of permits. Mr. Banzinger, and then we also have permits and licensing, which is the central processing for all city permits, including engineering, fire, building, and planning, as well as business licenses. Mr. Banzinger, our strategy is sustaining our capacity. Following a similar model that Montana talked about earlier, our stewardship is managing the fee schedule, building permits, land use reviews, subdivision applications, and inspection services. Mr. Banzinger, advancing progress towards cost recovery in a manner that is consistent with the city's strategic priorities. Mr. Banzinger, aligning our fees is also a goal. Mr. Banzinger, aligning them with regional and peer city benchmarks to ensure our fees remain competitive and defensible. Mr. Banzinger, and maintaining and improving our service level expectations through consistent and reliable delivery and customer service. Mr. Banzinger, our capacity, utilizing the fees, investing in staff expertise through targeted training, technology, and process improvements. Mr. Banzinger, improving customer service and responsiveness that benefit the community and support staff efficiency and morale. Mr. Banzinger, and that leads to retention. Mr. Banzinger, modifying development and construction review processes citywide to enhance the experience and reduce timeframes. Mr. Banzinger, and then our strategy is to integrate city systems utilizing data to inform future fee adjustments. Mr. Banzinger, aligning fee structures with city development priorities including promoting housing production, infill, and commercial growth as it relates to our new UDC. Mr. Banzinger, and leveraging fee revenues to support sustainable, exceptional development, and reduce reliance on general fund subsidies. Mr. Banzinger, and with that, I will turn that over to Kirsten to discuss revenues. Kirsten Banzinger, and with that, I will turn that over to Kirsten to discuss revenues. Kirsten Banzinger, Good morning, almost afternoon. I'm Kirsten Banzinger, I'm the business and finance manager for CPDI. Kirsten Banzinger, and with that, I'm the business and finance manager for CPDI. Let's see. Kirsten Banzinger, and with that, I'm the business and finance manager for CPDI. Let's see. Kirsten Banzinger, and with that, I'm the business and finance manager for CPDI. Kirsten Banzinger, and with that, I'm the business and finance manager for CPDI. So this first slide that I'm going to review, I'm just going to give you a brief review of our revenues and expenditures for the year. So with this first slide, it represents our projected revenue for FY 2027, which is $16,027,677. 40% of our CPDI revenues come from tax revenue. 22% comes from grants and sale proceeds from things like our affordable housing trust fund, CDBG and home grants, our EPA brownfields grants, and a grant we just recently applied for, for pro housing, which will assist us in updating our annexation policy, engage in process improvements and create evaluative frameworks for any EDC. 16% of our revenues come from building mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and permit revenue, as well as our newly implemented technology fee. The remainder of our revenues come from various licensing and permit fees, operating and intergovernmental transfers, such as the planning mills that pass through the county, and a small portion for charges for services such as our land use and zoning review. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues come from the state. 16% of our revenues from the state. 16% of our revenues from the state. services, grants, etc. that support our activities. Our total proposed expenditures for our general fund activities are roughly $6.4 million. Our proposed expenditures for our urban camping response are $1.1 million. Our proposed expenditures for our building fund activities are at $2.7 million. And our proposed expenditures for our grant fund activities are at $3.9 million. And that is the review of our revenues and expenditures. And I'm going to hand it back to Erin. So we will wrap up today by summarizing CPDI's proposed budget enhancements for FY27. As I said earlier, these are limited and targeted requests that focus on maintaining our core commitments, aligning grant funds with actual program activity, and supporting a few areas where additional investment is needed. The first item is the Affordable Housing Trust Fund base allocation of $100,000. This maintains the city's ongoing commitment to local housing tools and keeps the fund active as part of our broader housing strategy. You'll also see up there baseline grant fund adjustments that reflect the actual revenues and expenditure needed within our grant programs. As federal grant pass-throughs, these have no impact or reliance on the general fund. And you will see those in our new budget requests and a variety of fund activities. The encampment response enhancement of $48,000 supports the city's continued work to respond to public health and safety impacts related to urban camping. This helps maintain a consistent response while we continue to balance compassion, service connection, and safe access to public spaces, and support increased costs for delivery of services like garbage disposal, and security. And that request is split pretty evenly amongst those three things. The home resource enhancement of $16,000 supports an existing community partner and helps to continue work that aligns with waste reduction, reuse, workforce development, and community resilience goals. And this mirrors the level of both FY25 and FY26 contributions to this organization that were approved as one-time requests. Finally, the Pro Housing Grant reflects $390,000 in new outside funding. This grant from the Montana Department of Commerce by way of the Montana League of Cities and Towns will help support key UDC implementation work, which includes annexation policy updates, development process improvements, and evaluation tools connected to the new UDC. The match for this grant was achieved through investments already made in the RM Missoula project, so requires no new general fund dollars as match. So in summary, these requests are modest, targeted, and aligned with the strategic priorities, particularly in the areas of housing, fiscal responsibility, community resilience, and improving how we deliver services in CPDI. So with that, we are happy to answer any questions. All right. Thank you. Councillor Jordan. Thank you. I have some questions about some of the costs that you mentioned. Kirsten mentioned $1.1 million for the urban camping response, and I wanted to know what that specifically does, but then you also just mentioned the $48,000 that is the response to urban camping. And I'm just curious, what exactly are all these funds going to be used for specifically? So the urban camping budget supports all cleanup activity associated with the ordinance, as well as the vehicle parking permit program. The enhancement that we have requested supports both of those programs and recognizes the increased costs in areas like garbage towing and our security contract. Follow-up, please. Go ahead. Thank you. Thank you. So it's largely related to urban camping cleanup. Is that accurate? I'm sorry. I got a little lost. Like the $1.1 versus the $48,000. Maybe we could talk about those two different... So the $1.1 is the baseline budget. So that is what is included as a carryover from last year. That is essentially what we spend to run the program, the broader program, which includes, and probably the primarily largest part of that expense is operating the vehicle permit program, vehicle parking permit program. And we have FTEs and supply costs and utility costs associated with running and operating that program. It also supports the code enforcement staff who respond to compliance complaints on the ordinance. So it supports the cleanup work that we do across the community, as well as adjacent to the Pavarello Center and other kind of higher compliance areas across the community. Part of all of that is the security contract that we have to support that work as well. And so that is all included in that baseline budget of $1.1 million. We're asking for an enhancement of that to recognize the increased cost in those areas of garbage towing services and the security contract. Okay. Sorry, one final question, if that's right. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So the 1.1 is just the urban camping response, generally including FTEs, compliance team, whatnot. And the 48,000 is more directly related to cleanup. Nope. It's all included. And so it's, yeah, so we have, so we budget for the vehicle parking permit program and our urban response cleanup all within that activity. The only kind of new request that we have is for that enhancement of $48,000. The remaining expenditures are in our baseline budget. And we can provide you a copy of what that budget includes. But that's part of our ongoing operational costs for CPDI to run those programs. Okay. Thank you. I understand now. I appreciate it. Ms. Jones. Just really quickly, with the $390,000 pro-housing grant, I just wanted to be really clear. That is outside grant money coming in. That's not coming out of our pocket, right? Correct. That is federal funding coming from the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Great. Thank you. All right. Any other questions? All right. Well, I'm going to commend CPDI for starting late and ending early. I'd already made arrangements to push back land use and planning a few minutes. So I guess you get five extra minutes at lunch. We will adjourn this meeting. We'll start LUP at 1.05. So we'll see you then. Thank you.

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So first up, we've got minutes from both March 23rd and March 26th to approve. I'll move that we approve. Both of them. Here a second. Second. That was Dwight. Do we have any comment on the minutes? Here none. Those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Great. Public comment on items not on the agenda. Do we have any public? Attending. You know, teams, I don't see them. Great. Well, moving forward and. Do we have somebody here to talk about the parks requests or we just. I'm not. I am available. This is Ryan Applegate. OK. Do you want to give us a quick? I know we've had these requests on the agenda for. The last couple meetings and I appreciate your patience and. Us getting to them. Do you want to walk us through the first one that Fort Missoula Tons master planning? Sure. Yeah, should be in your agenda. Fort Missoula Pons is adjacent. Pretty much to formers of the regional park toward the Bitterroot River city owned property. It's an 89 acre parcel that we're managing as an open space. 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I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. Yeah, I and Justice. I don't know if it was Rob. Is now in attendance. Yeah, and I work right out next to this. I will tell you that the public does access it, but they don't know that it's closed as of yet. So just a quick note on that. Do we do? We didn't put a motion in on this. Somebody like to make a motion on this. request? No. Discuss it further. I'm sorry. Yes, I would be happy to make a motion. Thank you, Dwight. Would someone like to second it? This is Rob. I'll second it, but I'd like to do some more discussion. We have a motion to approve this request. It's been seconded. So yes, let's now have more discussion on it. So I'm sorry. Should have done that first. Well, either way. Can you tell me what the motion is? This is for the first request by parks to fund $60,000 impact fees for the Fort Missoula pond master planning. Got it. Great. Thank you, Kobe. 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I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. education than ultimately dedicated. I think it was 20 years ago at least. And of course with the buildup of the park, this will be such a perfect adjunct to that. It's. So. Let's get it moving forward. Any other discussion? Alright, so those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? See none. Alright, we have a second request and Ryan's. you're still on. Great. Thank you so much. This is for parks impact fee funding. For supporting the trail. And park amenity. Aspects of the downtown. Sam project. the safety access and mobility project. Has a part of it at the riverfront promenade. Which will reconstruct and widening the existing portion of bronze river trail as part of this project. It'll be basically from where the Clark Fork Manor is to where the. The Karras Park phase one project started. So downstream of the river from Karras Park to Clark Fork access Manor. Manor area. And then. Over. Through the Higgins Bridge area through East Karras to best read park. It will widen basically double the capacity of that park amenity and make it a. Just a. A prominent downtown. And just continue that investment in the downtown area and those park amenities and trails. There are also plan to be a walking access from. Bear tracks bridge into East Karras. And so this request. Is to support the massive capacity increase in park. Communities to the that string of parks through the downtown area on the. North side of the river and it's a hundred thousand to support. That overall project from park impact fees. So. Thanks Ryan. Look, I had a couple questions on this one. And I think maybe an observation first and. And I think in the way that you're formulating this, your. Your request is in support of the other efforts that are going on here. To me, this. Seems more like a transportation. Is there a parking? Area than a parks area? Can you? You want to explain that to me? Your rationale for. Sure. Parts. Sure. Overall, the that area. That. That. Widening of the park promenade is going to really amenitize the park for what it currently uses, whether it's the. Festivals or. You know, you know, you know, you know, the newly developed area for the, for Brendan's wave. Or. You know, just in general, increasing the capacity of that park to support the many, many. You know, celebrations, regional wide celebrations that are at the park. And so for us, yes, this portion of the. Is part of runs river trail, but really the. Thinking of it is. Is. Is. Is part of runs river trail, but really the. The thinking of it is. Is this. Also is a huge park amenity increase. And the ability for that area to support. The regional wide events that happened there in coordination with the downtown Missoula partnership and all of the wonderful businesses downtown. So. I don't know if that addresses the question. Yeah, and I support the project and I don't want to slow it down or. But where I don't see anything, there's nothing on the calculation. And so. In the narrative that discusses 50% capacity increase, but there's nothing in the calculation that attributes. What parks is asking for. In relation to that is that. 50% of the. Total impact fees you're going to use or. In. In again, I think it's just it goes back to our sheet. It's not completed. There's nothing. Listed for calculation. So how do we show the proportionality of it? I think it's in the narrative and apologies for not putting it down below as well. So we call this a 50% capacity upgrade with the cost estimate of around 1.0 of 1.5 million for that promenade increase. So we're not even. Not even not including the amenity that will come off of. For a public use to access the parks from dirt tracks bridge. And so 100,000 of that. 50% right of a 50% increase. That by total estimated construction cross costs of that 1.5 million and it's more than that. So. I guess. Thought is is 100,000 is is way less than. You know. 10% of that to get us to a 50% capacity increase. Yeah, it would just be helpful if it were defined better. I agree with you and I agree with project. I think it's great project. That's that's not the point. It's just that the little bit of dotting the I's and crossing the T's and submitting the forms and actually putting something that's portable for calculation rather than just. the narrative. Do you have any other questions? Yeah, this is Dwight. Brian, I would also like to see some kind of a. Maybe a little bit better or more defined nexus between. Growth. I mean it's nebulous in my mind. It just we're going to do this project. It's nice. We're going to increase capacity downtown. But does that really have a direct result of. You know, it's an impact fee on new growth. And so I would like to see something a little bit tighter on that. Rather than this is a very nice project. And yes, you guys have done a great job of getting grants and the mobility project. and all of that, but. It almost seems somewhat. I'm having a harder time. It's divorced from the overall project. Of just general growth. And I apologize that I'm not. I'm not articulating that well, but. I'm just having a little bit harder. I mean, if you're building a new park out in. I can appreciate that. But you know, we're building something in the downtown core area. That's very nice. Promenade for downtown core. We're not building a lot of stuff downtown. And so we're end up using a lot of the impact fees. That we're getting throughout the city. In a very focused downtown area. And I'm kind of. Would like something a little bit tighter on the nexus. Than just general growth. I don't know if that's helpful. I know. I think it's this. And I know I bring this point up all the time, but it in our. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. But I know I bring this point up all the time, but it in our. Where it says in our impact fee form item 2. So you check there's an expansion of existing public facility. And then item B says for calculation. Show the allocations expanding capacities for the project costs. I think. I touched on that a little bit in the narrative, but I don't think that it's supported in the submission. So. Are you are you saying that of. Of the 1.5 million cost you're looking for 2% 5% and how does that attribute to the growth? I think it's easily defensible, but it's just not. The information is not here. That makes sense. Yeah, I think so. I think I can put a, you know. If it's if we're doing 50% upgrade of the amenity and the amenity costs 1.5 million. That would make 750,000 eligible. We are asking for 100,000. It would make $750,000 eligible for growth, but. I think that's a. From from. I'm also asking which bucket is that coming from? I want to see. Parks. Parks impact fee is what the request is for. And again, I'm not. I'm not trying to slow these projects down, but I think sometimes we approve these. We have the same discussion. We approve these based on the narrative. We're just not getting the calculations into a lot of these asks. Nick. So for several impact fee meetings. Whether getting the information that's under fashion so we can see it before we be. Not have the application here. Not have a partially complete application. Oh, we'll just tell them what it says at the beginning. Right? So I'm going to pass on this one because I don't have the information that's under fashion. I didn't get it in the packet. I had to go research it on the city webpage. Right? So if you want my vote in the future, give me the information and get it to me at least two days a month. I don't think that's asking too much. I think that's being respectful of the commitment. We're only advisory. So who cares? Right? Nick, I apologize if that happened. This was submitted months ago from Parks and Recreation. Incompletely submitted. I don't want to speak to the forum, but I just want to speak to Dwight's question about the nexus to park capacity and growth. Thinking about we just passed the land use plan and the zoning code that really highly incentivizes infill development. One of the things we talked about in that process was the park capacity might not be defined just by acres of park. It might also be more defined by the amenities that are present in smaller, more urbanized parks. And so I think that's what we're really doing here. If we're creating more capacity for the Paris park for higher densities, we think we're going to see in the core of the city. And it's a, you know, the impact fee is really going as a small batch towards this larger grant that we got. So it's one of the ways that we leverage these impact fee monies when we have a chance to bash them to a big grant with that. So, Jeremy, I have John's permission. Yes. I appreciate that very much, but I'm going to draw us back to the impact fee must be following requirements. And I think if we just look at A and try to match what they're asking us for, the amount of impact fee must be reasonably related to and reasonably attributed to the development share of the cost of the infrastructure improvement made, made necessary by the development. So, you know, just the idea that, well, we just have development, but let's let's say what is the actual reasonable attribute, you know, attribute. I can't talk today. I apologize, but something in the narrative that points back to what we're asking for by statching. So that's what I'm asking for. And again, I agree with all of it. I think it's a great project. I think it is a good use of impact fee funds and I'm not and I'm not trying to single out Ryan on this at all. But but as we go through and we document all these we have in the past. We have done the same thing where we. We don't necessarily have what we need in here in the form and we talk about it and we approve it. Then I think we've asked a number of times to get that information. So where it does say show the allocation of extended capacity to total project costs. I. I don't think just putting in the narrative the cost is this much and the fees are this much shows that next proportionality. It could be a very easily formulaic. It could be a very easily formulaic. We're going to generate this many trip counts. We currently have this many. We're going to generate this many. We attribute them coming from this service area, which is. Going to add this much capacity. I don't think we're asking for. Anything more than a defensible. Quantifiable number on it. And yeah. I know it's not always easy, but it would be nice if there was at least an attempt at quantifying it. This is Rob. I'll second that. It's always easiest for us to have better information and sort of the. Show your work philosophy so that we can make user decisions. But the explanation we had here, although again, I think Nick, you're right. I think it's nice to have this stuff earlier and sort of a. Reader's digest format, but the explanation that we received today seems appropriate for this project. The math actually works out, right? We have some of the examples. And our approval list, if you increase capacity by 50%, the 50% is eligible. That says nothing about the nexus that people described to. That may be the part. That's missing here in terms of detailed explanation, but I think we also understand it too. You know, downtown core. Is going to be affected if the entire city's affected, at least in terms of population. So it makes sense to address those changes and increases. Then this one, we do have a little bit of numbers for that particular area. We're going to double it in size. So a hundred percent increase for whatever, whatever the math is. So I think we're well worked in our range. So I'm comfortable with this and what we've been presented. And again, primarily it's because it is a great project. It's a great use of impact fees with a little more information. That decision would be just that much easier. Anyone like to make a motion relating to this request? I will. This is Rob. I move that we include the expenditure listed in funding request item 3. 1.2. I move second. I'll second that motion. Further discussion on the motion? Question. It's somewhat related. I haven't seen a financial report for a while. So what kind of money are we talking about in parks and what other things are out there? So I can speak to that a little. I have to burn a little easily is on the call. She better hand up. I bet she has a number. Hi, we have, you know. We're no longer collecting parks impact fees, but the projected ending balance in parks. Inclusive of these projects for the. year is over $500,000. Now. We get revenue in throughout the year and we try to reconcile this about quarterly. So that's not up to date with the most recent numbers. but the requests are well within the available balance. Thankfully. One of the projects are out there. This is Nick. is a little bit. Yeah, I can speak to that a little bit. of the project. I think it was December that I gave a update to this committee on that. we have. Committed expenditures for FMRP planning and implementation, which we talked about. Playfair master park planning. Sport courts, which we've completed. and have a little bit of extra impact fees from that project. Coley Park is a neighborhood park right on the west side of reserve. North side park annex we have obligated 150,000. Downtown lions park obligated 150,000. and a little bit left in hell gate park. We have our going. With that. After all of those obligations. We have like Lee said, right around 500,000 of unobligated fund. For this. And that is, you know, Fort ponds, which you talked about. Weston farms will be coming on in the next. Oh, three to four years. Neighborhood parks. Throughout the system to add capacity, which is a big priority. Of our post plan. Potential additional north side annex funding. As we look at that and getting more capacity at that park. Phase two of Clark Fork River restoration project. West Broadway master planning efforts. That's currently being funded by the Missoula redevelopment agency. in conjunction with collaboration with trout unlimited. Best read in East Karras parks. And then there'll be new parks coming on as well. So definitely, you know, the loss of impact fees. Poor per state regulations is about 300,000 a year. Loss for parks. So we're definitely feeling that in keeping up with our capacity to fund. Projects as our city grows. Hopefully that somewhat answers the question. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. I do I do request that going forward and maybe it's a simple change in our fee submission. In that in the second section, if they check. If it's a new facility and it's 100% eligible, that satisfies that box. If they check the box where it's an expansion of an existing. There has to be a calculation there. So I think if on that form, if we can just maybe update that so that staff knows if if they're checking that, that box. If it's not, if it's not a new facility, 100% eligible for impact fees, then they have to show. That that calculation. And I'm happy to resubmit the form with that calculation if that's helpful and provides, you know, emotion with that kind of noted in there. Apologies for that. And I appreciate your willingness to do that, Ryan. I'm not sure we're at that point yet, but. Any other discussion on this funding request? All right. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Pass. Justice, change Dwight Easton's vote to an aye, please. Thank you. Was that all four of you who voted aye? No. Nick was my only nay. Correct. Or pass. Thank you. I was pass. Justice, this is back again. Thank you so much. Ryan, thank you for. Thanks for your time. The submissions and my soapbox. I'm moving on to the next item. So this would be the. OK. Council recommendations for. Impact fees. And I guess opening this. I hopefully already have time to read through these motions. Based on the citywide transportation one. one. What we discussed last week. Equated to a 45% increase in transportation impact fees. 100% in fire and 100% in police. I think I guess we're going to have to look at these motions. Individually. Or did you put four recommended? motions? No, there are four. The way they're trying to structure this is. Four different recommended. Well, all four of those motions. Could be part of. The action today. So I think considering those one at a time. Sure. Just that I what I wanted to do is try to organize what staffs recommendations were. and bring them to the action today. So I think considering those one at a time. Sure. Just that I what I wanted to do is try to organize what staffs recommendations were. and break it down a little bit so that we didn't have one. large paragraph motion that I feel like we were kind of getting hung up on. that included the citywide fee increases. for you know 2027 potential inflationary increases. the special impact fee districts. There's just a lot there and it felt like this was a more helpful. way to organize and I have some slides you know I can go through and. and talk through that. But the idea is that the. those are all four of those are recommended motions. that we would like the committee to make. all four of those. OK, but I think you can discuss. each one of those individually and go through. them just to try to separate the issues a little bit. I think that might be yeah, that might be easier. Thanks for doing it. Bethany. Then I guess just in relation to the first motion. I don't see anything in here that we didn't discuss and. and I think come to consensus with. at the last meeting. my only comment on that is really. and this is my recommendation. to the staff the way that it's written up. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to put this. into a percentage of maximum allowable fees. it when we discuss this, I think what everyone's going to hear is 100% increase. 100% increase in a 45% increase. but looking at. fact in the map can calculations, I think we're still suggesting. that fees are. much less than. much less than the maximum allowable. I did put numbers. Just a. yeah, that's interesting way to look at it. I think we would have to. we haven't really broken down. If you remember, we had this kind of detailed discussion. about how that max allowable changes in. in how we were calculating. the person trips per household size. and so you know the math would come out. potentially come out a little bit different, but we could. set like a benchmark, you know, using. 2,000 square foot house as a benchmark of. you know, what that percentage is. it makes for what we wanted to do is to try. to simplify the decision a little bit and think how. we discuss it and not that I don't. disagree with you on the as a percentage. that's allowable, but. I'm just trying to think about how we would. well, could. the level is changing for it by a different percentage. for it maybe. Would it make more sense for the committee to look at. and make a motion on the. the entire. impact fee table. and approve that. table for FY27 impact fee. that was proposed. yeah, it doesn't break down the. you're not raising. you're technically not raising impact fees. a certain percentage. it varies on every single. the. for footage. for footage. the data will be included. and you know, I'm. I'm. I mean, I may. want to think about how we. drive into this conversation. I have some slides I could go through. just sort of like a reminder. what we. talked about, but just that table of. fees, we just what we have in our staff. recommendation is just applying 45% increase. across the board. we didn't actually do it as a percentage. of the max allowable or. again, to try to simplify how we were. presenting this and just the decision space. we were in that we were running. it was really hard to communicate. all of the pieces that go into that maximum. allowable. what we have here, all of these are within the maximum. allowable. for based on the impact fee study. but doing sort of a 4500%. 100% across the board. was a more simplified straightway. straightforward way to say. that we're an acreage and not get into that. well, you know, we're increasing the smaller housing. sizes by less. the larger house sizes by more. that felt like we were getting hung up in some really. complicated math and how do you communicate that? and then what does that mean overall? I suppose we could go back to that. trying to have that method, but. well, we are recommendation is just like a 45% across the board. yeah. some good high things. and that makes sense. the differences. the difficulty in understanding that is. is that the baseline has changed too, right? so. 45% increase across the board except for. the. proportional share that smaller properties. versus larger scope properties are going to take. are going to take is different. so I think it is just an issue of explanation. and a. a question of how we can articulate it to. to vote on it. and I think it does make sense actually to have. just a straight. percent that we vote on. we have to recognize though that that impacts different. sizes of property differently. and we're not voting on that. that is built into the recommendation. I mean, which makes sense, right? smaller square footage homes are going to pay. proportionately less. whatever the increase might be. now to try to. put all those together. I think would be challenging. well, I think that's what we ran into. last year. I think, you know. if we heard you last time. correctly, what you're asking for was a comparison back. the 2025 fees, which is. the legislature. took action and starting. that may be the easiest thing to really look at is. that table where we compare what we're recommending. to those 20, 25. fees. and following the direction we got last time. no more than a 2% increase for that. 2,000 square foot volume. Yeah, and and to be clear, when we say we are applying. 45% increase, that is a 45% increase. from where our fees are today. so it's not factoring in all of the changes. in sort of base calculations. is just for a 750. thousand square foot or less house. that fee is increasing by 45%. 2,000 square foot house. that fee is increasing by 45%. So we tried to again. simplify to say we're going to take. today's fees at 45%. for transportation, 100 for fire, 100 for police. and then what we did is we compare that back then. to 2025 fees that included. marks, community infrastructure and the 5%. and I can bring that back to the. table up on. Yeah, it's table nine that I. yeah, look at that summarizes all of it. make you had a question. Yeah, I thought last meeting. we actually made some motions. seconded in children. those all slim. well, does this is this slate replace them? and if it does replace them, we need to take action. on what we took action on last month. I guess I'd have to refresh my memory on what we. could take action on last month and then. we voted to approve. a fee increases reflected in a table. but I'm not sure that the table we were. talking about. Yeah. update numbers for police fire. assuming a total fees designed. see the 2025 total fee amount. by more than 2% for 2000 square. So that's what we trying to show. and if you look at that table nine, we have our proposed. our recommended fee. which is a 45% increase. compared to that 2025 B. that included. again with the arts community and. 5% administrative fee that are no longer. being charged and where we landed. was. at essentially. 2% increase. I mean, the math ended up being. the math ended up being. the math ended up being. the math. being exactly 2% for 2000 square. foot home. So whether that's. or whatever, you know. But I think that's where we were. that direction and we wanted to make sure we had a table. that reflected that motion. So I think what you. all decided last time is giving us directions. to update that table and the fees. be within that 2% no more than a 2% increase. from the 2025 fees, which is what we have proposed. in our recommendation. And is that table 9? Yes, table 9. Yep. And I can walk. Maybe it's helpful for me to again. not that we're going to see it up there, but I'm just going to. put folks online and share. actual Excel table so we can. see it up there. So I think. I'm going to. see it up there. I'm going to. see it up there. I'm going to. see it up there. I'm going to. see it up there. I'm going to. see it up there. I'm going to. see it up there. I'm going to. see it up there. the next column. is the 2025 fees are on the left. That's what we were charging in 2025. before the legislative changes. There was a total fee for 2025. Then we have our. staff recommendations. in the next half that includes the 45% increase. for transportation, 100% for fire. police. That total recommended fee. is then compared to 2025. and that last column is the. essentially the percent increase for each. size house. And you can see it sort of ramps up. that the smaller houses have. just that calculation ends up being a little. bit less of an increase up to 25%. or a slight decrease. So but on average. for 25% of the. 20% increase over 2025. And so I would agree with Nick that I don't know. that we have to. that and where I get hard on the first motion. is that you we represent stakeholders here. and we go back to the stakeholders. they look at that and what they're going to see is 100% increase. 100% increase which. is still significantly less than the. the. the. the. the. the. the maximum supportable. I think it's still still at like 33%. of the maximum supportable in transportation. that's where I think the. the table makes more sense because this. I think what. it's I don't know how. I don't know how to put that into an exact one. one line motion that you want to bring in front of council. other than this is the table that the committee recommends. which does also cover the increase. in the police and fire. I mean motion could just be that the. committee recommends. adopting the staff recommendation shown. in table nine. I mean you could have of the. you know staff recommendation memo. what I was hoping to capture in the motion. is just making sure that it is. very clear what the committee. was recommending which essentially. this table is 45% increase. in transportation fees 100% increase. in police 100% increase in fire. there is that comparison in terms of like how. we like what that actually means to people. but from my perspective as staff. we want to keep. the. actually. no. no gray area in terms of. what the committee is recommending. so that that was the intention of like putting. that motion the way it is and so that it's very. clear what the recommendation is. I think you easily simplify it to say. table nine in the staff. and I'm all. would be clear enough for us because we have a table. we know what went into it. it might be less transparent for the public like what that actually. means in terms of increases. but I think for the purposes of us. knowing what the committee is recommending would. work. Nick. So. I assume you all read the visible current article. following our last meeting. right. It captured none of the essence. that's what this committee was talking about. and what you just talked about in terms of overall. it's a 2%. right. right. so. while it might be clear to you guys. right. I have to explain to somebody else. and how do I explain the current article? I go, well, no, no, no, no. that's not correct. that's not correct. here's what we did. but Nick, it's not in the writing. I want to come to move the committee. so you'll understand it's just like that. right. right. so let's let's try to do something. that communicates to the public. what we've done here because we've done amazing work. right. you guys have gone over and above. provides information and materials. right. but what's being reported is 100%, 100%, 45%. Would it be okay if I earned it? this presentation? because I think that was our intent was to help provide that context. sure. right. yeah. I wasn't making listening. we were trying to prevent them. I didn't know. but we guys, I think your point is really valid. this is a really hard conversation to follow for the public. or the media is trying to cover it. so we do need to. this is Rob. I think it's difficult to follow because we're. we lack the ability to compare, compare apples to oranges, right? so if everything were the same in the legislature. had tinkered with things and if we didn't have the updated study. just increasing 10% or 30% or 100%. that's really easy to understand. we're increasing by a percentage, but then there's the. at least two other moving parts. that's hard to explain. it's hard to understand. it's really hard to explain, but in this table version. seems to sort of get at it. number one, it does have all the figures in it. what it would we can say constituents is well. you should expect. the council adopts our recommendation. that if you're building a 2000 square foot. all impact fees are going to be 10, 2% more. if you're building a 4000 square foot home. we're going to be 10% more. now that's not a straight percentage increase. it comes from a lot of changes because. the legislator has changed the categories that can be used. on one hand, the. proportional amount of impact fees. by square footage has also changed. so it's it's tough to conceive of all that. without sort of a table format. so I want to see the presentation. but I would suggest that maybe. a vote that adopts. this recommendation based on the table format. might be easiest and understand or explain. find two cents. which I think we did that last meeting, right? this. Nick pointed out this. we voted on this table. that was our motion and our vote last meeting. and so we've already recommended that part. and I think we're just. the. but. but my parents. this table by. is that a substitution for taking some out of the last motion? I was confused about. yeah, that was a method. the memo was updated, right? right, so we revised the memo to reflect all the conversation. we had to bring in, you know, we had some work to do. bring in police and fire, right? we had the special impact fees that we talked about. there's. there was a lot of conversation. I think we realized that we need to tighten up. like how are we presenting this? like how are we walking through this? to get to the recommendation we were at? be able to communicate that. so that's why we revised the memo to have that background. detail. that's where all the detail is. I don't think we're going to walk. my presentation is not walking through the memo. because I don't think that's helpful today. I'm assuming you've all read it and. you have questions you'll ask. and then we have the impact fee report. which has a ton of detail. I'm not planning to present that. we have a column here who can answer questions. if you have questions on that. and then I think to your point, Nick. how we land on this. there's the decision and then what is that? which is the motion and then there is like. what does that actually mean? right? And I think we can easily amend again. this is just sort of staff recommend motion. like you can take your lead. it really is up to you and I think there's. easy amendments and that's one of the reasons I wanted to try to break out. the different pieces of the motion so that you could look at. like what are we actually approving or recommending? and is it phrased correctly? so I think we could step through those sort of one at a time. and you know if there are revisions to those motions. I think that's easy. you know we can reflect that. I can type reflect that on the fly. and we can hopefully land on a simple straightforward motion. if you have I followed as if I didn't realize you had a presentation. just yeah. we would never catch up. No, it's fine. I mean, you know, sometimes it's easier to have a conversation. than presentation, but it might help just like a reminder. sort of what we walk through where we're at and. and what we're trying to do in our staff recommendation. and what's all because there's there is more than just the table. increase included in what staff is recommending. so that might help us and then we can maybe. if I can go through that quickly and then. and sort of. take those one and answer any questions. and reflect any amendments to those motions and. that's. that's. that's. that's. strategy. Sure. Yes. I'm. I'm trying to make this quick too. because I think we're all. we've had a lot of information overload on this. I have to leave at. 30. but. 30. Okay. I'll try to keep this to less than 10 minutes. or something in that range. So we've already dived in. what I wanted to walk us through is. again, just a reminder of some of the. things that we had talked about the recent history. around the fees and last time we went. back we had a lot of discussion. it wasn't necessarily super well organized. in terms of presentation about that information. I did include the May IFAC. your recommendation to us which included. you know, trying to keep fees within a certain amount. and so we wanted to reflect that. and then there's our recommendation which is really. this table and what's contained in the memo. and what's contained in the memo. and then we also have our special impact fee districts. I think it's worth walking through those really quickly. they're a little bit more straightforward, but those are also part. of this recommendation city council. and then I directed it as much. and so again, you can. take those verbatim or you can amend them in whatever way. makes sense. So just a little bit of history on. you know, I think the really key points to what we. included in the memo and what we're trying to deal with. one is that inflation, right? that we increased fees that city council by. 10% and that was just across the board. focused on transportation and a 10% increase. in 2020. since then, as we've calculated and really. dialed in on inflation has reduced the value. essentially the value of our impact fees by about 45%. so we get 45% increase. in the cost of construction for the CIP. projects. may actually be higher than that, but. but that's a general rough estimate. we have had no annual increases since 2020. right? So we're not adjusting. we have not been adjusting fees to keep up. for inflation since then. so the fees we're charging today for the one. remaining transportation, police and fire. are the same that they were in 2020. we also had this change that we all know. that in 2025, the legislature removed. the park impact fees, the general service. impact fees that was going to things like. administrative buildings or things that weren't. captured under those other specific fees. and then there was a 5% admin fee that was being. charged across the board that was part of our. overall impact fees. So all of those were removed for 2000 square foot. home. That total was about 821. $1. on a 2000 square foot. home. So that's kind of the history of where impact fees have been. over the futures and where we're. how we're reflecting what we want to try to accomplish. in this round of increases. so you remember our revenue. as we looked at where we're at with impact fees. fees, we have about 1.3 million potential. deficit in impact fees compared to the. projects that we are trying to program in. our FY27 CIP. doesn't mean we're not doing those projects. it just means we've got a gap we need to fill. and we're getting about $1 million a year. in transportation impact fees under our. current structure. What we found in the impact fee study. if I could summarize in two or three bullet points. related to transportation. we would project about $14 million. of revenue over the next 10 years. some of that is if we stay with our existing fees. so if we made no change today. we would expect somewhere around $14 million. when we presented that table of here's all the. projects that we know we need to do at some point. or we think we need to do to help accommodate growth. that total was about $78.8 million. across a number of different intersections. and new streets, expanded streets trip. your primary commuter trail improvements. and what the impact. fee study shows that if we. levied our max allowable transportation. impact fee, so that's across the board. if we increase the max allowable. we would collect about $62.6 million. and that was anticipated to be what was needed. to maintain our existing level of service. right? So you have growth. new traffic, new impact. in order to accommodate all that growth. just to maintain the level of service we have today. you have to invest about $62.6 million. and again, that's based on the methodology. and Colin can answer those questions if. if we have them. and what that meant was about a $5,200. increase in a 2,000 square foot home. so that's the transportation piece. I think if I could, my attention is still. down to sort of the most important points. Save for police and fire just based on the. projects that are identified that kind of incremental. or the methodology, but just identifying. the projects that are needed for. expansion of police and fire service. to serve that new growth. the maximum allowable. for police and fire was. $1,100 increase. so that's not a total. That's just the amount. you can increase fire and a max. allowable of $400 increase. for 2,000 square foot home. $6,700 overall. so yes. Yep. So almost $7,000 would be the maximum. that we could. levy across all of our impact fees based. on the impact fee study. Now we know that that's not. well, I guess just to. forwarding on, we also have this comparison. of where Missoula is at compared to. other communities and you know just. to summarize this chart of the highest. is Bozeman at 22,000. Missoula once we add in water. and wastewater which aren't impact fees. but we do have development. service fees that we charge. so we wanted to have that full comparison. we're kind of middle middle of the lower. end of the. right? so we're at $6,500 compared to. you know Bozeman and Whitefish at. $9,022,000 at the high end. and Hamilton at 5,500 at the low end. so just a definite question. so it says impact fee comparison. so transportation. Oh sorry. You just talked about cumulative. yeah, this is cumulative. sorry. that's just that. don't get critical. yeah, this is the downside to. copy and paste the slide. but yeah, this is cumulative. for all the impact fees. you know we're kind of middle of the road. right? and you imagine if we added our. maximum allowable of 7,000. we would still be below. Bozeman would be then. sort of the second highest in the state. I'd like to be below. Bozeman at least one time. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, this is cumulative. Sorry, that's just that. Don't get critical. No, this is the downside to. copy and paste the slide. But yeah, this is cumulative. for all the impact fees. you know, we're kind of middle of the road. right? And you imagine if we added. our maximum allowable of 7,000. we would still be below. Bozeman would be then sort of. the second highest in the state. I'd like to be below. Yeah, right. Well, there's no no risk that we're going to. overtake those. non impact fees. I think is the lesson here. But just to know you. putting the context kind of where we're at. here. Yeah. Where's buildings? Billings does not have impact fees, but. they do charge. So I did actually reach out to plans. They have essentially. they just get everything through proportional share. of developments. So they, you know, it's a different way to get. the funding for rather than just having a set. impact fee per unit. when they have development. say like a subdivision comes in. and they're going to do a traffic impact. study and they'll identify. that's going to affect. all of these intersections. they do a proportional share. of OK, we're going to upgrade. these five intersections. that's going to cost us $10 million. your proportional share is X. that is the fee we're going to charge you. to contribute towards those. so they are still collecting a similar. type of fee, just not under impact fees. it's just under. and so you might not pay that as a building permit. it's a little bit of a different structure, but you might actually. pay more upfront for like a subdivision. or a project that has sort of mitigation. associated with it. Thank you. so it's not a one one, but you know. most communities I think are. you know, another example is where Valley County has. a road fee. that they charge where they basically take what's the miles. mile of roadway between. state on highway and that development. and then what's the amount of money that would take to. pave that road, bring it up to standards and then what percentage. of the traffic is attributable to that development. and then you get essentially a per mile costs. but and then that gets assessed so. different places that are taking different tools and so. it's not always easy to compare, but impact fees can be really. predictable. It's like, you know, OK, we're going to do this many. units. This is what it's going to cost as opposed to these other. like, well, we don't know what those other. you know, signals or road improvements or other. things that might come into that development review process. so this is something to consider that I think it's. not necessarily accurate to say to other communities who don't charge. impact fees don't collect funding to do. the same kind of work. sense it does appreciate it. Yeah. See if I can keep moving here. Alright, so motion we had last time. which I think there was a lot of discussion. I don't know that was. clear to me at the time, like what were we actually voting on? but the motion that we had was to recommend the. revised fee table with updated numbers for police. fire assuming the total fees does not exceed. the 2025 total fee amount by more than. $2,000 or 2% sorry. not 2,000. More than 2% for 2000 square. foot. So we took that into consideration. We looked at all these and put it into this. staff recommended table which you have in front of you in the memo. and it's now table 9. and that's a way to compare. So I think that to getting your point we did keep our fees. You know, there's obviously some difference based on. how fees were charged in 2025. in terms of what the energy is. And you'll notice under one of these I think. is important under parks and community fees. those sort of. So that's one of the reasons you see a higher. percent increase in those larger house sizes. fees and things that sort of essentially. down at $750. That's largely why you see a difference there. and then they were lower fees or smaller. I mean. higher percentage of the overall. fee for smaller. Most of philosophy. I don't know. I can tell you. It might have been due to the. the impact fee study that was established at the time. and. and you know, recognize that maybe once you get over. a certain size house, the number of the. relative impact of that house on. parks versus transportation. could be different, right? So we're looking at it. we're looking at redistribution of income. like income tax. So that's what. So this is our recommendation. and this again represents that 45% increase. and that's what we're saying. So this is our recommendation. And this again represents that 45% increase. for each fee. for based on starting 2025. or I guess where we are today in 2026. 45% increase on transportation impact fees. So for a 2000 square foot house that goes. from about $1,300 to. $1,888. That's just a 45% increase. For fire, it's a 100% increase. Again, based on the input we heard from. Chief Lash and Chief Polier. the needs there and what that would do for us. So fee of. 2,000 square foot house goes from $105 to $210. All that adds up to. $2,136 for a 2,000 square foot. house. That's a 2% increase over the. $2,086 that we had in 2025. We all. Good on that. We've got that. Yes. Great. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So. That's first motion. So let's stop there. Yes. first motion. I think that might be helpful. Yeah. And. And I guess I think. leading back to what Nick's point was before. I think we've already recommended this. Okay. I don't know that that motions. the motion from the committee would be to recommend the combined impact fee. Table as presented. It's in the memo. Okay. And then. As far as you know. Then it becomes your explanation of here's where the increases are and with the reduction of the. the parks fee and the increases that we are looking at taking. in the lease and fire and transportation. This is how it will impact the actual out-of-pocket. Yeah. Percent fees. From 2025 to. Yeah. Ay27. So if I could. Capture that in a motion again, just so we have a really clear motion. Partsion for justice. Partsion for all of us that may be awaited to the motion. the impact fee advisory committee recommend city council adopt. city citywide fee increases for 2027. As reflected in table nine. of the staff recommendation memo. Yes, the combined impact fee comparison. Yeah. Well, we dropped off the clause about 2%. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I'm sorry. Okay. It's 2%. Do you want to, oh yeah, okay, so. I was trying to compare two actions. Which are the same. It is the same. We know it's 2%. We don't want to put it in the motion. We want to put it in the motion of last meeting. Do you want it in this motion? I do. Okay, so that could be as reflected in table nine of the staff recommendation memo. Including. It's not helpful to. Wordsman. So, so here's the statement. We had a consensus. Yeah. Because we had an understanding overall they weren't going to increase by more than 2%. We put that in a motion. Yeah. But now it's not in the motion. And now what the words are about. Yeah, you don't say we want to put it in the motion. No, no, no, I just want to make sure we reflect it. Have a again having put in the motion. Well, can we just say. Can we make that motion? Yeah, let's look at the motion that we've already approved from. I don't know that we need to change that recommendation except we will not change it. Table nine. Okay. What's that? Change it from table seven to table nine. Change your reference point too. Or we could just add that phrase that appears there. It's it's the same thing. And we know that it doesn't exceed. Yeah, it's only 2%. Yeah, I think we just changed the table in there and I don't know. Okay. Do we need a separate motion for that then? Yeah. That makes sense. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Yeah, that's definitely. So I know there's a special interest. Special improvement districts, but the next motion talks about subsequent increases. to discuss those first. Yeah, sure. I didn't have slides for those because I took action on that last time. I think we did. No, that's what we have. That's what we have every blast time. We didn't talk about any subsequent. We recommended in our conversation. We discussed that we thought it was legitimate to have some of those increases, but moving forward. After this initial catch up period, tying those to the CPI. Okay. Yeah, so. So the just to capture that what's in the motion and why's, you know, we're recognizing we need to do. We talked about this last time, right? That we're going to do a one time increase, but then we need to switch. We have to look at this up to where, you know, essentially we need to be based on cost inflation over the last five or six years. And then. Well, transportation and fire being a little bit and police and fire being a little bit different. Transportation just having an annual increase. We did some research. I think we proposed 4% as a rough way to capture that. What appears to be allowed by laws is pegging that to the producer price index. So that would be, you know, we could reflect that as a, you know, maybe that's 4%, maybe it's more, maybe it's less. But that would be staff's recommendation is, you know, through 2026. So this is a 10 year study and looking out 10 years that we recommend increasing those by. the consumer producer price index. The consumer producer price index inflation annually. And then for police and fire increasing at 20%. Again, this is to sort of help spread that. cost of the increase over a couple of years. So that will be for the three subsequent years. Following the initial fee increase. And then producer price index increases for the remaining. Six years. We're working inflation into it instead of. Yeah, so instead of every five years, you do a large increase. And then ideally, you know, we're going to have to do another study in five years. We'd be able to look back at, okay, how much did or did our costs increase? Do we need to do another sort of small catch up increase? Or maybe we, you know, adjust in some other way and then. continue to do annual inflation? I think is what we're suggesting. And I don't know, maybe Lee or somebody else could. Because City Council adopts fees annually, they would really only in this. So what City Council is going to adopt would just be the FY27 fee table. And. And then we would have a revised fee table that would get approved every year. You know, subsequently for. You know, as we go into budget season. Correct me if I'm wrong, Lee or Jeremy, if you know. That's correct. That's the process. So while we have this as a recommendation, I think we want to recommend going that way. But that decision to increase by inflation would actually have to be made by Council. for the FY28 fee schedule and for FY28. So that decision has to be made every year. So this is more of a directional recommendation. That we want. That the committee is recommending that. Or staff is recommending that we do that. You don't have to. This is a recommendation that provides guidance. Yes. For future years until the next sentence period. Yes, correct. Put that in there. I'll put that in there. Well, I have a question about that because. Yeah. I understand what the consultant has done is looking out 10 years. But by law, we have to have another study within five years. So we're going to get new information updated in four years or whenever it is. And so. I guess was it a thoughtful decision to say we're going to make a recommendation. It spans a decade as opposed to just five years when we're going to get different. Well, part of it was as we were evaluating like what's the projected revenue we get from this. Like we want to be able to compare. So the study had, you know, $62 million over 10 years, right? All the study recommendations and revenue and things was based on a 10 year period. Right. And so we wanted our recommendation. Remember, we had those multiple scenarios that we were comparing. We wanted that to be comparable over that same 10 year period. So, you know, whether you as IFAC recommends only doing it for five years, for 10 years, I don't know that it really. Matter. I mean, I think that's the recommendation that we need to do annual inflation increases or we should be delayed. This is Nick. The important part of number two for me is that it's not, we're not getting a blanket increase by year. We're tying it to the consumer price index, both for police and fire and for transportation. So that's me. That makes this palatable for me as guidance. Yeah. I agree. But those are my thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, as far as we had a discussion on that too, the five year versus 10 year. And I think I'm, I'm comfortable leaving this through 2036 because we will be going through another study update and we'll have another inflection point to make changes. And again, it's really. And back to where we are in the discussion point of it. I don't have any problem motion. Even running the numbers on this, if we increase fire by 100% this, this time around and three years in 2020, we're still really only less than 30% of the maximum supportable. And so I think that's important not to get lost in the discussion. And it's, it's 50 bucks, 2,000 square foot house for fire at least combined. So it's just something. But we'd like to acknowledge though and point out that as we work it out over five years, we are looking at a 259% increase over current rates for fire. So it's not insignificant. Sure. You can recognize that. So part of the discussion, while it is well below maximum, it is an increase and it is a significant increase on the time. That goes on at 30 more. Good point. Any other, I, I mean, I would, I would recommend this motion as written. Two. Second. Nick. Wait a second. Are we talking about number two? Yeah, number two. Yes. You, yeah, I'll second. Do we have any other discussion on the motion? Those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All right. Thank you. All right. Was it on door? Yep. Special impact. The districts. We should stop for a second. Yep. I just thought you, I thought we made a motion on whether to do a specific, specific increase in suits of case last. Am I just remembering that correctly? No. I think we, I think that motion failed. It failed. It was tied. Okay. And it failed. But now we're going to work on that. Okay. We're bringing it back to the. Is it the same? I don't know. So just to go through, maybe it'd be helpful if I just go through the special impact fees where we are and see if that changes where we're at. So, Stubcane, Special Impact Fee District. Well, we did evaluate three different special impact fee districts in the report. There's a Slipcane, Miller Creek and Grant Creek. Those were the three that I think we briefly discussed. We didn't get to maybe Grant Creek very much. walking through those. I think there was some confusion over what was actually included in the Slipcane as we were presenting it. And so I wanted to be really clear that. You know, just the history of established 2021 costs have increased due to inflation. So that in this table, which you think you can listen to the memo. I don't think it's the most important project cost increased to $50 million or it was in 2021. But then when we calculate the actual fee, we took out $13 million for the federal grant that we got. $1.3 million in county funding, 2 million in other citywide impact fees, 2 million of transportation impacts or transportation alternative grant. So we took that 50 million then got reduced down to $32.1 million, which is what then determines the fee per household. So we're tracking that. And essentially what that leaves left is I put this graphic in, which is part of our most recent build grant. So I thought it was helpful to sort of illustrate where all these projects are. It includes trails, which are kind of a dashed green lines on this map. The orange in here are parts of the project that were either partially or fully completed with the previous grant. And then there are remaining sections of George Elmer Drive and work the Broadway. Some intersections like intersection of Mary Jane in England. Need some additional work around about. It's kind of if they're around about in England and George Elmer. And then the Broadway. And there's some other facilities that we've included in the grant related amount in line, but those were not included in the impact fees. So I know that might be a little bit confusing on this, but just the. These roads that are up here by the mountain line facility labels number four. Those are not included in the feedback fee, but just. It's been part of this whole area. So there's really a few pieces of projects left that included completing George Elmer. doing intersection improvements, completing the trail network. And the Broadway. Interception. So that's kind of what was all included in that. That $32 million. That's another signal. At Broadway. Yeah. Yeah. Signal may be around about. We've evaluated both around about and a signal. I mean that's sort of to be determined as we negotiate with them. Exactly. So that's kind of what's there. Staff's recommendation is that we continue to. That we increase by max allowable. Which would result in the total. Special impact fee contribution for transportation. impact fees of $2,363 for a. 2,000 square foot home. And you can see the table 12. from the memo in your packet has kind of a full list. of what those fees are. They range anywhere from $915. for 750 square foot house up to $4,000. for a 7,000 for a 7,000 for a. home. home. home. So the suits up the area will be subject to the overall. impact fees. We must listen. Yeah. So yeah. One of the things that I think. This is done for this area is it's created a. more predictability for development because instead of putting them. for a traffic impact study, which we're not even requiring. this area. And then trying to assess those proportional. mitigation costs to. new signal or a new leg of the street or something like that. we've. We've defined what the infrastructure is. it's required and we've set a fee for that. so they can look and see what that's going to cost. and their project and they can move through their project. more quickly. So back one slide. So that grid system that you see. was adopted by the city in 2002. 2002 is when we did. Colgate Meadows. First of all, roundabout. kind of attractive little development. which the city has adopted those various streets and other places since then. So we're doing is we're. We're finishing out this. something we plan in advance of 2002. We haven't done. 20 years of pre planning in any other. growth area that I'm aware of in the city. here we do. Yeah. Yeah, I think there was a recognition in this area. you know, there aren't that many places in Missoula that have. this amount of. undeveloped sort of green fields. area. Miller Creek is maybe another example where we have. there's a lot of planet developments out there and. hasn't really been master planning the same way. but this was, I think, in it where we actually. were able to get ahead of development, do the master planning, identify. the infrastructure, start working on grants. I think the other piece, we have an outstanding bill grant. we'll know by the end of over the end of June. potentially by the time we go to council that we may have an award. of an additional $20 million or whatever. we get, which would then further decrease those impact fees. So as we get additional funding. we can, we will and. can adjust those actually stack or. or refund them. Okay, so I just. I just have a little. kind of. And we talked to Paul. He presented the first study. he said, what are the real impacts of impact? East and I said, well. how many of the city employees that we have? workers live in the city? 60% of them go. somewhere else. I don't know what the reasons are. but are we seeing is the growth rate here being affected by. the increases in impact these such that. let me just give you an example. see all the ways in and out of there. north and south, right? good system collectors. down a bench of Miller Creek. Right. Okay. I think we should be attracting. about here, but we also. need to do it. Yeah. So that's. that was my support. Any more questions on. and I just want to go through Miller Creek. We go on. Yeah, you have it as a separate. recommended motion that we wanted to discuss that. and. Yeah, for this one, it is. adopting the table as presented. Yeah, it would be the maximum. I would make a motion that we approve. that we recommend city council about the maximum. allow transportation impact fees for this. top coin area special impact. the district as determined by the 2026. fee service area report. is the area. special impact fee district. as determined by the 2026. fee service area report. and effects in. This is Rob. I'll second that motion. Any discussion on the motion? Thank you. Yeah, so justice. this is Nick. So. We need to get police and fire. in that area. Mullen Road used to be the only way in. for most of this development. and we had some connections to reserve stream. and what the 2002 master plan did in the very visionary way. was to realize the need for a collector. system and we acquired right away over the years. and we acquired. Steve King and I had some wonderful conversations that helped. implement some of that stuff. That's where I want development to go. as a land use planner with history in the city. and a lot of history in that area. And I think people. if they think about it, such as looking at their pocketbook. on where they can afford a home. would rather be here where there's transportation routes. in and out. I'm not even going to talk about wildfire. but I will for a second. It can burn those wild horses, right? The wild horses got another way out. people live in the middle of it don't. right? So I'm. I've changed my thinking that suits up gain. because I think we need to have the social infrastructure. and. the capital infrastructure. for people who live. and be able to protect them. because you know what? after they buy their house, they want the government to protect them. right? This is an area where we. we. we. we. we. We've got water pressure. we've got sewer. for public health safety. We've got the transportation collectors of broad wing. reserve. Do I hate seeing. impact fees on new construction? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. I do. I do. that's it. Any other discussion on. Yes. uh. uh. uh. uh. uh. in light of. Jeremy's explanation that. we're using. the impact fee in lieu of. other traffic studies and other studies would. uh. uh. uh. uh. I'm in support of maximum. the map raising the maximum. in some of those other studies. yeah. and again, you know, with with the updated. trip counts and. um. there is one of the things that the committee did express. really a number of years ago. there is. at least the less impact on a smaller than average size home. and. yeah, it's a small victory in the impact fee. battle. No further discussion. All in favor, say aye. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. There's no opposed. Alright, last one now. Great. Thank you. We have one minute to get through this. Thank you. You know, I didn't call us. wherever you're willing to share. Yeah, right. Um. This is very similar to. it's very similar to the subjahane area. template. Where we identified specific projects. that need to be done to accommodate the growth. that include that. Highway 90 from the intersection. with Miller Creek Road. $2.6 million project. We have Miller Creek roundabout improvements. at. I can't remember if this was existing roundabouts. or the new roundabout. that's part of development. the roundabout improvements along. lower Miller Creek Road. Road. And then the plans. Miller Creek Road improvements. between Linda Vista Boulevard and. Jack Drive. And that includes. a new roundabout. at the intersection. with the new development. I can't point you on the name of that road. but three projects that were included in this. that's. also just the point that for the. lower Miller Creek Road improvements. were only including 50% of the overall. cost of that. because there is a desire to have. you know, there's some. impacts from existing development. that should be contributing to that. that cost. so that would come from special impact feed. district is I think the current. plan around how we would fund that. I also, you know, we may need to do. some modifications on this. we just between the time we did the. impact fee study and. and now we've been updating our. city CIP and so this 1.4 million. is what's included in the study. that cost might actually be going up. it might be closer to 4.8 million. but I think that's something you need to just. I wanted to reflect what was in the report. and what the analysis in terms of our. max allowable fee is in terms of what this committee. is recommending. I guess just for. point clarification on timing on this. so we are not going to break this. person you are trying to reach is currently. on a. we're not going to bring this. also when you have finished please hang up. or press the pound key for more options. on. So we want to bring. we want to bring this to council in the fall. as both a special improvement district. and a special impact. district. so we bring these together so the decisions can. be made on setting these fees and setting. a special improvement that shows together on that. project so. so this is more informational for you today. if you want to make promotion that would be fine. but I think there would more following. it's likely we could have another meeting with this group. will be perceived with that council action. given the choice this is Rob I would say we do that. and revisit this in a few months or whenever. we get together again if that's not going to. cause any heartburn from staffs. we're going to be able to do that. and we're going to be able to do that. in a few months. and we're going to be able to do that. in a few months. and we're going to be able to do that. in a few months. and we're going to be able to do that. in a few months. and we're going to be able to do that. in a few months. and we're going to be able to do that. in a few months. and we're going to be able to do that. and we're going to be able to do that. and we're going to be able to do that. and we're going to be able to do that. and we're going to be able to do that. and we're going to be able to do that. and we're going to be able to do that. I think that's how you are. you know, I think that there's two pieces that one is. you know, all of these projects would be 100%. I think we 100% eligible under impact fees. as to the expansions, right? which is show or in that feed. but you know, to your question of much of the. are you like how much of that is related to the growth versus. existing is that? yeah, I guess I would argue against that. I don't know how they can be 100% eligible. but I don't know if you're going to be able to demonstrate that. every piece of the Prima is going to be due to. new growth. These are expanded capacity. so I think for those that calculation has to be. a little bit more well defined. maybe for the second. discussion. the way I'm seeing it is we've had. growth out there for the last 30 years. and it's just been as cumulative as. as pointed out, there is only one way. that one and the bridge cross was. voted down back in the 90s. so. the idea that. that is. I just look at it. first thing it struck me is the late car. Yeah. you know, all the people that are coming in now. are intact for all the. capacity issues over the last 25 years. so. that proportionality I think is what. I'm hearing John's would be a concern of mine. but it doesn't just like I said. as we go up the hill. I live out there. you know that they just become the late comers. who had to get to pick up the tab. Yeah, it's it's really a complicated question. because a lot of those subdivisions were. planted with SID waivers. contemplating there would need to be more. infrastructure in that area group. and then we have all of the areas. that haven't developed yet. so that in a way they're the late comers. that yeah, that's what it's like. if we don't have an impact. we also capture that. so we're trying to figure out that right balance. so that. so it feels fair to the folks who live there. and fair to the folks who have yet to be there. yeah. We've had a number of meetings with. neighborhood and neighborhood council. and sort of laying this out. and I think they're generally supportive approach. so I think the study gives us a good basis for. you know, kind of what that would look like. what a benefit area would look like. and I think that's a good basis for. what that would look like. what a benefit area would look like. and I think similar to the SWPDC area. it's a way that we can provide some. breakability for development and. barely share that burden. so it's not just going to fall on. whoever comes in last with the big project. or something like that. no, agree. now do we need a motion just to. postpone or do we just. sure. this is Rob. to table that issue for discussion. until our next meeting. we need the table. we haven't brought anything up. we need anything. we did not. yeah. I can just move that over the next. if you put it on the next. and then the. the last piece that you know I don't think we need. emotion on this unless you feel otherwise. but we did have the Grand Creek district and. long story short, we evaluated. the benefits of that and realized that there. probably wasn't enough. that. just it didn't make sense to do it for. Grant Creek in that concentrated area. potential projects and the amount of development. and that that you know is either could be. direct proportional share we kind of done. already in that area or just. citywide impact fees so. so we do not have recommendation to. establish that this is especially in the district. the district. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I guess moving on from that. I feel comfortable with all the recommendations that I want. to make sure. really to point out that historically the city. has done. there's been very good stewards of impact fees and. when I look at the numbers of what we're proposing. you know, granted the. the the the park speed. going away helps with this, but even after the increases. that we're looking at. transportation is still. if this is approved for. 27 transportation still only going to be. at 33% of maximum. police and fire. are going to be even even over with the catch up with. the fire is still going to be at about 30% of. maximum supportable. so I recognize that there is a. a balance and trying to. make sure that we're keeping things affordable and. you know, I think again, that's where. the shock comes out where people see 100%. and without knowing everything that's in this. really, really complicated sausage. it's hard for them to understand it. so I do appreciate that. all the work that you all have done on it. so. Well, and I think this is a. helpful conversation to think through that. how are we presenting this and like, how is it. perceived in sort of what are the top line messages? so I think that's really helpful for us to. appreciate that. Great. Do we have any other new business? any. financial support before we. have another meeting? Yes. And. I guess given. given the timeframe, so you feel like you have. everything you need at this point for. council. and. I guess given. given the timeframe, so you feel like you have. everything you need at this point for. council. exciting. yeah. yeah. and. you mentioned probably trying to get in the middle. of the one in the fall, so looking. probably. at the earliest, maybe the 1st of October. for our next meeting. I don't know what that's good to have that schedule for. bringing these back, I don't have a. schedule. Yeah, regular Creek, but I think that's a reasonable. probably have some other items by them. that we can bring you. Well, maybe. Justice can work on getting a pull out to her. or group and try to pin down the date. And then I think the last. slide. I think the last. slide. I think the last. slide. slide. slide. I think the last thing that I have under other. and I had mentioned this. I know that. I know. I know that this is thankless work sometimes. and it's hard to get people involved, but. we're trying to work. from our own networks to get. some more committee members and. but I'd like to ask the city to help. in that effort. I don't know what capacity we have to do some. more outreach to recruit some more members. for this committee. I think it's one that. it really does take some. time to get through the learning curve to understand. and so I think we'd be well served to make sure. we try to get some more. people in here. so. yeah. the more barrier. yeah. I don't know. I don't know what other. I know that the mayor. has the ability to appoint people to this committee. we have to find them first, so I don't know what kind of. that one he's getting. yeah. so we're trying to work on that from. within, but any help we could get on that. would be great. yeah. Thank you for doing that. yeah. any other. I would certainly entertain a motion to adjourn. so. second. all in favor. I'm sorry we didn't discuss that. cannot discuss. thank you all for your work on the interview. I'm okay, it's a non-drable option. Thank you all for your work on them.

All right. Good evening, everyone. It's 6.04 p.m. and I'll go ahead and call the Missoula City Council meeting to order for June 15, 2026. Before we get started with the meeting, we're going to jump right into our Pledge of Allegiance, please. Thank you all very much. Great. Cheyenne, you'll do a roll call, please. All right. We will start with Anderson. Present. Vicarra. Present. Campbell. Here. Prask. Present. Jones. Present. Jordan. Present. McCoy. Here. Mousen. Present. Nugent. Present. Ponton. Present. Savage. Present. Cheryl. Present. And we have a quorum. Okay. Excellent. Thank you very much. We do have some minutes for your consideration from June 8, 2026. Do any council members have any questions or suggested changes for the minutes? All right. Not seeing any of those minutes will remain as submitted. Thank you. Next up, we have changes to the committee meeting agenda and committee membership approvals. Cheyenne, do we have any changes for the committee schedule yet? Cheyenne, do we have any changes for the committee schedule yet? Nope. No changes. We're looking to start at 9 a.m. and then wrapping up around 325. Okay. Great. Thank you very much. Information on the committees are available on the Missoula City Council agenda webpage. All right. Next, we'll move into special presentations and proclam ations. We don't have any neighborhood council updates this evening . And we have one proclamation. And that proclamation is for Juneteenth Independence Day. This is in combination with the county. I'll go ahead and read that now. Whereas Missoula County and the city of Missoula acknowledge the lasting impacts of racism in the United States, fueled largely by the horrific institution of slavery, and whereas news of the end of slavery did not reach frontier areas of the United States for more than two years after President Lincoln's Emancip ation Proclamation of January 1, 1863, and months after the end of the Civil War. And whereas on June 19, 1865, Union soldiers arrived in Texas with news that the Civil War had ended, and the enslaved were free, and African Americans have celebrated this anniversary, known as Juneteenth Independence Day, for more than 150 years, to honor African American freedom, while encouraging self-development, respect, and dignity for all people. And whereas the character demonstrated by former slaves should inspire us in this country to give thanks for the freedom won by so many people in all nations, and to strive for the goals of bringing freedom and democracy to people of other countries, no matter what their race or religion. And whereas, although Juneteenth Independence Day is starting to be recognized as a national and even global event, the history behind the celebration should not be forgotten. And the city of Missoula County and the city of Missoula do hereby proclaim the 19th of June as Juneteenth Independence Day, to commemorate African American emancipation from slavery, celebrate the freedom won by people in many countries, and rededicate the freedom and the city of Missoula. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. And I will just mention that there are Juneteenth activities, speakers, reenactments at Fort Missoula this Friday, starting at 10:00 in the morning, lasting until early afternoon. And I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and I will just say that there are Juneteenth activities, and then we've got a couple of items in regular business under committee reports. So before we head to that, we will welcome people to make public comment for items that are not on the agenda. The first period of public comment on items not on the agenda is listed, is limited, excuse me, to 20 minutes total, with up to three minutes allotted per speaker. Each person may speak once per meeting concerning items not on the agenda. In-person comments take precedence. Sign up is required and follows a first-come, first-served basis. The second period of public comment on items not on the agenda will follow immediately after the conclusion of all regular business, and continue until all comments have been taken. All right. So with that, I've got a couple of folks that have signed up here, and the first is Kristen Newman. Kristen, come on up. Kristen, come on up. good evening um can you guys hear me okay with this if you can just get a little closer to that microphone we 're on give me a sound check one more time test yeah that sounds great thank you um good evening i am here speaking as a human and community member not in any professional capacity or affili ation this week makes 18 years since acquiring a significantly life-altering disability resilience became a requirement never be too much i learned the hard way that belonging now comes from law and policy professionalism a must i am a risk to be managed decorum must be followed i studied the statutes i cited the code but things are getting heavy on this lonely road it would just be easier for a partnership to be made but conversations always fade i hear this council talk of rules and legal validation but what about true and total integration your compliance gets us inside the gate but universal access means opportunity to keep up and share the play date we make new buildings rise up built for people just like us while blocking paths we used to trust adding curbs and taking ramps and leaving safety in the dust public proclamations happen i've praised them with pride and flair i really am so proud of what got us there they meant a lot to me until compliance entered the room i was no more human i was a risk that required assessment a waiver to be welcome feel fear to enter the room i'm only here today because i know this comment ends soon i open up my documents to see how we 're aligned belonging is a commitment but strategy often leaves my basic civil rights behind the city's master plans ring hollow of inclusive priority when we see the old ways amplified by authority with no self-evaluation built to challenge your commitments how can we ensure full ada transition isn't that our mission i sit outside meetings where cost of causes flinch, my existence a financial pinch. I am more than the accommodations written in the text wondering if I will make it through to what is coming next. A policy isn't justice, a master plan doesn't show care, a building isn't open just because a ramp is there. It's attitude and culture and ensures I am welcome here. I work hard to build bridges without setting myself on fire, but if I speak with passion and emotion or explain what is right, I risk of being accused of looking for a fight. You want us polite and quiet, but Judy Heumann was right. I want to belong without asking for permission, without making my existence a bureaucratic decision. The spirit is connection. It's a seat at this very table. It's a city where I can exist authentic, vulnerable, and able. Thank you very much for your comments this evening, Kristen . Thank you. All right. Next person who has signed up is Suzette Jussaud . Suzette, come on up. Good evening, and thank you for being here. I'm here again tonight to speak about the city lands that are being presently considered to be sold or have been sold to a developer for providing market rate housing and in another instance to provide some affordable housing, which is what I think we need as a community. So therefore, I am here again to advocate, number one, for any future lands that come into the city's hands, that they 've become, there are lands and that they should become land trust land, where the cost of the land is never forever passed on to the homeowner or the renter. Another issue I would like to talk about is this development, which we see has a parking lot, 260 car parking lot in the center of the property. Again, I'm considering the climate study that this city has adopted, and it specifically speaks about urban hot zones and eliminating them in any city planning or design. Another issue I would like to talk about is the city's recently adopted parks plan, which talks about access to nature and the importance of access to nature. And specifically, I'm thinking not only of the MRL plan, but also the plan, which has just recently been adopted, and I hope it's still in the processing phases where they 're removing one of the most important natural areas in that area, which is the grove. If we look at a map that was even in the midtown plan that shows, or excuse me, it was in the city plan. The city parks plan, it talks about the amount of natural areas within the city. And if you look at the plan clearly, there is a vast empty space with which has no natural amenities to it. No way for a community to come to a natural feeling area. The one exception, of course, is the grove, and it's not on this map because it wasn't part of the park plan, wasn't part of the, probably the property of the city at that time . So I'm suggesting that you can reconsider this, you go back to the drawing board. I know you can't magically turn this into land trust land, but at least do not create a heat zone. Thank you. Thank you, Suzette. Comments? All right. That is the total list of folks that have signed up for public comment for items that are not on the agenda. But we do have a few minutes left. So if anybody wishes to make public comment for items that are not on the agenda, you may do so now. All right. Seeing somebody online here. Not seeing the audience. Carrie Schreiber, please go right ahead and unmute yourself . Go ahead and time you from this side. Hello. Good evening. Thank you for having me speak. Wanted to acknowledge Kristen Newman and her beautiful and powerful poetry. And wanting to connect with you. Maybe we can figure that out soon. When we're thinking about this urban sink, urban hot spot in Midtown, being thoughtful about this will affect generations or not being thoughtful about this will affect generations. A couple of items that have been mentioned in the past. If I can circle back around. Ms. Councilor Jones has spoken about that the Amarillo Park is available for folks that are in the south end of the Franklin to Fort neighborhood. I just want to remind you guys that you have to cross both south and Johnson in order to get to that park. And it's very unpleasant. I encourage you go spend some time crossing those streets back and forth. And you can see how that really doesn't function as a neighborhood park when you have to cross those. And Councilor Nugent has talked about the fields of being kind of a wasteful, weedy area. Right now we have lupine in bloom in the lower field. And there are so many different types of grasses and sedges and vetches. For those that are into nature, it would be a cool time to come check that out. But do be cautious. There must be some fawns around because the deer are being very protective. Anyway, I appreciate all of your thoughts on these issues. And I do like what Kristen Newman is talking about. Want to see these plans and policies that we spend so much public effort and money on actually manifested into quality of life for the residents. That's what they were designed to do. And when we pick out, you know, maybe a fifth of the Mid town Master Plan goals and say we're doing the Midtown Master Plan, but we're neglecting four aspects that really have to do with quality of life. But we're missing the mark. And I know how much Catherine Newman put into the PROS plan and to be hearing this disappointment and how things are playing out is a real concern. Because she has been a part of the team. And I've been on the outside trying to be a part of the team. But I do really hope that we can all figure out how to work together for the Common Good. Thank you. Thank you for your comments this evening, Carrie. Anybody else online wanting to make public comment for items that are not on the agenda? Okay. Not seeing any hands raised. All right. That does wrap up our public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Thank you. As previously mentioned, we don't have any public hearings this evening, nor new business, so we'll move right to the consent agenda. Diane, will you go ahead and share what's on the consent agenda and read through those items for us, please? Absolutely. We're going to start with a recommended motion to approve accounts payable claims for checks dated June 16, 2026, in the amount of $9,613,644.37. A recommended motion to confirm the mayor's appointment of Melissa Matassa Stone to the Missoula Redevelopment Agency for a term beginning immediately and expiring on April 30, 2030. A recommended motion to reappoint Julie Pavlish to the Affordable Housing Resident Oversight Committee for a term beginning immediately and expiring June 14, 2029. A recommended motion to adopt a resolution granting Path ways to Housing Stability Project grants through the Montana Opioid Abatement Trust to certain organizations, directing staff to negotiate contracts and agreements with said organizations, and approving and authorizing the mayor to sign the contracts and agreements. A recommended motion to set a public hearing for July 6, 20 26, and preliminary adopt an ordinance amending Chapter 5.08.1 21 of the Missoula Municipal Code to add a new Section 2, Chapter 5.08.121 to enact a prohib ition on new business licenses for retail adult use cannabis dispensaries, pending review of the regulations applicable to such operations as part of the City's Uniform Development Code project. And this would be the first reading. A recommended motion to set a public hearing for June 22, 2026 to consider the resolution for the fiscal year 2026 Parks and Recreation Security Camera Project amendment to the annual appropriations. A recommended motion to adopt a resolution relating to the $1,832,000 Special Park District Bond Series 2026 taxable, authorizing the issuance and fixing the terms and conditions thereof. A recommended motion to approve the mayor to sign the fiscal year 2026-2027 Community Justice Department agreement in the amount of $247,158 for fiscal year 2026 and $254,573 for fiscal year 2027. A recommended motion to confirm the mayor's appointment of Derek Canwisher to the Parks and Recreation Board as Altern ate 2 for a term beginning immediately and expiring on April 30, 2028. A recommended motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign a contract for trip hazard mitigation with precision concrete cutting in the amount of $99,849.49 . A recommended motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign the contract with 406-GUNITE for the amount of $105,508 for services performed pursuant to the scope of work for the Currents Aquatics Center Pool Replaster Project. A recommended motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign a contract for security system upgrades for Splash Montana, Currents Aquatic Center, Mobash Skate Park, and Fort Missou la Regional Park with Pine Cove Consulting in the amount of $366,391.48 pending the request for the approval of the budget amendment for Parks and Recreation Security Cameras. And finally, a recommended motion to set a public hearing on June 22, 2026 and adopt that resolution of intent to initiate an amendment to the Hour of Missoula 2045 Land Use Plan related to the future adoption of the Reserve to Scott 2026 Master Plan Area Plan for the area that includes the North Reserve Scott Street Urban Renewal District and the area located in Missoula County between North Reserve Street and Scott Street south of Interstate 90 and north of West Broadway Street. All right. Thank you very much for reading off that lengthy list of consent agenda items. Now is the opportunity for counselors to either separate an item or announce intent to abstain. And President Nugent, your hands raised. Thank you, Mayor Davis. I would like to split 9-12 and send it to committee reports . Council has received numerous emails on this topic, and several council members have expressed a desire to get some clarification from staff. So I would like to move 9-12 to committee reports. So we're moving 9-12 to committee reports for this evening under regular business. And I just wanted to make sure that you wanted you... And then we can have a discussion there. Yes. So that's a committee report there. Okay. I want to follow my own rules from last week. Nice. We can't really talk about it. Nice. Thank you. We'll move it to climate conservation and parks committee report. Okay. All right. Item 9-12 has moved to committee reports. We'll not be taking a separate vote on that when we do the consent agenda. Any additional items to separate? Any abstentions from voting? Any abstentions from voting? Any abstentions from voting? Any abstentions from voting? Any abstentions from voting? Any abstentions from voting? Any abstentions from voting? Any abstentions from voting? Any abstentions from voting? Okay. Okay. Not seeing any then, Cheyenne, we can go ahead and do a voice vote on the balance of the items, the balance of the items 9-1 through 9-11, please. All right. All right. For the consent agenda excluding 9.12 parks and aquatic security system upgrades, all of those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. And I realize I just forgot to take public comment on the consent agenda. Anybody wishing to make public comment on the consent agenda? Okay. Not seeing any in the room. I'll just check online here real quick. And I'm not seeing any hands raised online. All right. Thank you. Sorry about that. All right. So next we'll move to regular business. Items listed under the committee reports were not approved unanimously in city council committees. The chairperson of the standing city council committee will make a motion and we invite community comment on each item. So we do, we'll start with item 10.1. And this is under the budget and finance committee report. This is related to the fiscal year, 2027 budget launch. And, uh, we do not have any additional new staff information that I know of to present on, but I will, um, hand it over to president Nugent or counselor Savage who's online. If counselor Savage wants to make it online, she can. Great. And then, uh, we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. And then we'll be able to do that. I'm having a hard time hearing you for a second. I'm having a hard time hearing you for a second. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Nugent. All right. I move City Council adopt the budget timeline as listed in the referral, specifically requiring that budget amendments be submitted in writing to the Clerk and Finance Director no later than 5:00 PM on Monday, August 3rd, 2026. Any amendments discussed on Wednesday budget and finance committees must be submitted by noon on the Friday prior. Councilors requesting to make an amendment after the state must first motion to open the floor to a new amendment for discussion and said no motion needs a majority to pass. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. All right. And do we have any questions from Council before we take public comment on this agenda item? Councilor Campbell. Thank you, ma'am. Mayor, so we have an updated graphic of how this all meshes together with what was presented last week. Councilor Campbell: Chief Administrative Officer Bickle, do we have any updated graphic? Councilor Campbell: No, not that I'm aware of. Councilor Campbell: Would we? Councilor Campbell: I'm not quite certain of the request. Is there -- there wasn't an additional graphic to be requested, so I'm just kind of curious. Councilor Campbell: So, in my belief, there'd be something that kind of shows where this relates Councilor Campbell: to what we're saying for a deadline for amendment applications and whatever. Councilor Campbell: I personally, I was still -- Councilor Campbell: Friday deadline Councilor Campbell: Language of what we're discussing. Councilor Campbell: And we're talking Monday for a deadline for amendments, but then there's Councilor Campbell: language that has been submitted the previous Friday. Councilor Campbell: So which is it? Councilor Campbell: Friday or is it Monday? Councilor Campbell: Fair enough. Councilor Campbell: Councilor Newton? Councilor Newton: And I think that part of this was Ms. Jones' amendment, so feel free to chime in or your friendly amendment to mine. Councilor Campbell: The intent with the Friday language was simply if Councilmember wants something discussed in committees on Wednesday to have that amendment in prior to the Friday before so that we could attach it to the agenda and publicly notice it. Councilor Campbell: Or the last deadline is that August 3rd and then that would be attached to the next deliberation agenda. Councilor Campbell: So I could see how there's a little bit of confusion, but they're covering two different things. Councilor Campbell: Follow-up. Councilor Campbell: Please. Councilor Campbell: I prefer to clear consideration. Councilor Campbell: So August 3rd, anything submitted after that for our discussion last week would then default to a committee vote action to whether or not we have a discussion on that. Councilor Campbell: If it's submitted past that. Councilor Campbell: I remember discussing about that. Councilor Campbell: Am I okay to answer this? Councilor Campbell: Yes, please. 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Councilor Nugent: Yes, sorry. Councilor Campbell: That's okay, no problem. Councilor Campbell: All right, so we had some questions be answered. Any additional questions? Councilor Campbell: I would offer the opportunity for the public to make comment on this agenda item. Councilor Campbell: All right, that's all right. Councilor Campbell: All right, not seeing any, and I don't see any hands raised, but I'll take a quick look here. Councilor Campbell: Don't see any hands raised. Councilor Campbell: All right. Councilor Campbell: All right. Councilor Campbell: Any additional council questions or comments? Councilor Campbell: Okay. Councilor Campbell: Not seeing any then. Councilor Campbell: Diane, we can do a roll call vote, please. Councilor Campbell: Absolutely. Councilor Campbell: We'll start with Anderson. Councilor Campbell: Yes. Councilor Campbell: Sarah? Councilor Campbell: Yes. Councilor Campbell: Yes. Councilor Campbell: Sarah? Councilor Campbell: Yes. Councilor Campbell: Sarah? Councilor Campbell: Yes. Councilor Campbell: Sarah? Yes. Campbell? Yes. Kraske? Yes. Jones? Yes. Jordan? Yes. McCoy? Aye. Melson? Yes. Nugent? Yes. Ponton? Yes. Savage? Yes. And Cheryl? Yes. The motion passes unanimously. Thank you, everybody. That wraps up that agenda item, and next we'll move on to the next item of regular business, which is what was just moved over from the consent agenda. So the consent agenda item, Parks and Aquatics Security System Upgrades, that was moved under the Climate, Conservation, and Parks Committee report. And, Councillor Nugent, may I hand this over to you to kick it off? Yes. Thank you, Mayor. As I mentioned, Council's received quite a bit of email correspondence today asking for clarification. And I know that the staff would also like to clarify a little bit of information. So I guess I would ask Mr. Bickle to maybe speak to this and provide some clarification, and then Council can decide what we want to do next. Okay. Sounds great. Thank you. Mr. Bickle? Dale Bickle, Chief Administrative Officer. Yes. You know, we started seeing a lot of those public comments. Unfortunately, because this item was on the consent agenda tonight, we didn't have staff available who were really knowledgeable about this to be able to do it. But I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. 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I watched the committee presentation from last week, and I think, you know, my understanding and the reason why I made it through unanimously was that we already currently have cameras in our parks, and this is just providing for upgrade because they, you know, are getting old and therefore not working as consistently, and they are not readers of license plates. They don't do facial recognition. So a lot of, I think, the concerns that we were seeing in the email comments, I would encourage folks to go back and it's available to anyone to watch online. It's Parks and Conservation from last week. It kind of answers some of the questions of what this is and what this doesn't do. But I guess my question is, my understanding is that it has been helpful because there has been an uptick in incidences happening in some of our local parks. And I realize that we don't have park staff here because it was noticed as a consent agenda item, but does anybody want to speak to that? I think that this is something that we should continue to do because it is something we're already providing as a public safety measure. Yeah, I can speak to that. Yes, there has been a considerable increase in vandalism in particularly Port Missoula Regional Park. I don't know if you may be aware of the incident we had earlier this spring where there was significant damage to the field. Not only, you know, damage, you know, was in the five figure range in the, you know, 30 some thousand dollars worth, plus the, you know, plus some plus about the same amount of lost revenue received by not being able to open those fields. All those things are, are a financial burden to this to the city. I, you know, if you look at our incident reports from our security services that provide security in our parks, Fort Missoula Regional Park is our number two area. And it's just, it's just the, the location is just, it's hard to keep eyes on. So that's, that's a significant part of this, but all our other facilities as well, the splash decks. Now I would say that we do have security cameras in many of those. This is, this is a replacement of that aging system and, and also an expansion into, into new areas of our parks for the purpose of simply protecting the asset, not for any other purpose than that. All right. You bet. Mr. Bickel. Councilor Jordan. Yeah, thanks. I think just following on from Stacy's clarification, I think it would be really helpful if we could answer the question directly right now. So folks don't have the next week to stew over it. We are not, this company does provide AI assistance in, in their programming that they sell, but we are not buying that section of it. We are buying cameras that videotape like old school VCR cameras used to do back in the day. And we are not buying the AA technology that goes along with that as can somebody just confirm that really quickly. Yes, that's correct. This is the, this is the, I mean, it's the hardware right related to this. This isn't the, the software, these, this company does provide this. And, but is, this is important. I think this is the, the data is ours. It is only used for, you know, it's not used for like active management and it, you know, it's to be able to go back and provide evidence of the three quarts. And then those type of managed traditional management purposes we have in our security systems. Thank you. And I have a comment at one comment, sir. Okay. That sounds good. I'm going to circle back to you. Thank you very much. Councillor Nugent. Thank you, Mayor Davis. Just one follow up to Ms. Jordan's question. Cause I think that clarification was important. If the, the city based on a lot of the comments we've received kind of looked at it and said, we wanted to develop a more broad policy on that. That would apply to all cameras, whether they were existing or yet to be purchased. Right. I mean, it's, we could, we could create policy to make sure that some of the things people are concerned about didn't happen. Correct. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's a, that's, that's a good point, Councillor. And, and it's something that the council considered even ahead of this or any other security. I mean, it's a, it's a quickly evolving industry, um, as we all know, but, and, but we're still, um, using it in, in traditional manners, but there, but prior to expanding those, if, if, if we ever contemplated that a policy could be, um, warranted. All right. Thank you. Councillor Campbell. Thank you, ma'am, mayor. And, uh, the, what's my question? Most of my question was answered with, uh, council member N ugent's question. I just, just confirmed though, we don't have a policy of any sort on the books relating to AI or, um, accumulation of personal data or anything like that. To any extent. Uh, no, I don't know if, uh, Eric wants to. In here. Good evening. I'm Mark Hallstrom, the city's chief operations officer. And we do have a guideline for city staff when, um, it's been about 18 months since we created that. And it's largely to put some guide rails around the fact that we know AI tools are sort of out there and have prol iferated. So we, we have some rules about responsibility for project, you know, uh, individual, um, uh, an individual project that somebody used AI on. They would need to both disclose it. They're responsible for that. The accuracy of the information in there. It's essentially about responsibility of use. Um, we don't really have a, um, a bigger policy that speaks to individual use cases. So I think what you're talking about, we don't have an AI camera, uh, you know, uh, AI data review process, uh, policy right now. We just have some rules that impose some limits on city staff ability to use this in a way that would compromise individual or city information. You know, it's largely we're currently concerned about security for the most part. We don't want to put public information, city, private information, confidential information, or, um, uh, misleading information, um, to get out there through an AI tool. So we just, uh, we need to spend some time on implementing a more rigorous AI policy in the city. But as it exists right now, there are some limitations on city staff ability to, to use those tools. So, um, I appreciate that follow up. Please. We know, is there any city in Montana that's crossed that bridge or have dealt with issues like this, have been addressed? So we know in Montana, because I know very state to state. Eric again, to the best of my knowledge, I don't think there is a Montana city that has yet adopted, uh, an AI policy. I only say that because I think we would have, it would have come up. I would have heard about it from other cities. It's sort of a new enough policy area that we would have probably had a discussion at some point. So I think everybody's grappling with it right now. Thank you. Thank you. You bet. Any additional council questions? All right. Well, we'll go ahead and move through this item of regular business. So we'll hear the motion. Um, and then we'll take public comment on this agenda item. So this is in climate conservation and parks committee now. So I'll turn it over to it is. I'm trying to get back to our number. Okay. 12. Cause I'm going back to the consent agenda. Yeah. Um, okay. Uh, I recommend that we approve and authorize the mayor to sign a contract for the security system upgrades for splash Montana currents, aquatic center , Mobash skate park, and Fort Missoula regional park with pine Cove consulting and the amount of 366,391 dollars and 48 cents pending the request for the approval of the budget amendment for parks and rec and parks and recreation security cameras. Okay. Thank you. I would invite the members of the public. If there's any members of the public that wish to comment on this agenda item, come on up. Uh, Lucas Moody ward one. So anything, anything with a lens has the hardware to engage in a facial recognition. And so it's simply just a matter of the, the, whether their stock software is installed. And so by, uh, adopting this ordinance with the lack of like a binding policy to restrict, uh, the use of like more advanced, uh, software features like license plate, uh, recognition, and people tracking, et cetera, uh, the city opens itself up to, uh, lawsuits under article two section 10 of the month on Tana constitution. Uh, the city, uh, to my knowledge has also failed to establish, uh, compelling, uh, state interest, uh, on the public record for the most intrusive, uh, capabilities of the system. Uh, the proposed contract, uh, contains no real binding guard, guard rails that would prevent, uh, future city administration from enabling, uh, software that features that could, uh, be installed without, uh, public vote or public notice. And installing, uh, the infrastructure for the, uh, the, with these, uh, capabilities, uh, that Montana law specifically regulates, such as the, the license plate recognition and the facial recognition data without, uh, local policy, I feel is legally imprudent. Uh, further, uh, we have seen that, uh, uh, across the country, how this technology has been, uh, used by ice and other organization and in places such as New York, Los Angeles, and Minneapolis, uh, to target our immigrant and indigenous communities as well as protesters. Uh, and there's the, the, the question about how, uh, how long would the data be stored, uh, if it is to run 24 seven and if not, if it is to be, uh, motion activated. And these are all, uh, questions I would like to see addressed before, uh, this is brought, uh, like to a yes vote. And so I would urge the city council to vote no or, uh, send this back into committee until the sufficient safety provisions can be made. Thank you. Thank you for your comments, Lucas. Anybody else in the room that wishes to make public comment on this agenda item? Robert Dunlop 2316 West Kent. I invite you to come with me out to Fort Missoula, specifically to the forestry old equipment area. I go over there about three nights a week with my bicycle. It's a nice ride. Nice park. I used to volunteer there to take people through. So one night I'm riding and I see three boys pitching stones. I pitched stones myself. I stopped. They seemed like nice kids. I asked them if they had any questions about the equipment. I said, no. It seemed to be well mannered. One of the pieces of equipment was the fire engine from, uh , on. 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Okay, that works for me and I would recommend after everybody speaks to it and gets to kind of give their thoughts that without objection, we just delay consideration until next week with the public hearing on the other item. Thank you for your suggestions and clarification. Councillor Sherrill. Now I'm not sure which direction I want to go with it. Because I actually was going to suggest that we have some time in the afternoon on Wednesday. And just because there are some questions out there that we have a discussion about this Wednesday. I'm fine doing it on Monday though as well if we would like to have more discussion on Monday. I guess I'd like to hear what people's preferences are. It seems to me that this topic warrants a little more discussion than being just for whether it's for our comfort or for the public's comfort with making this decision. And so we have some time Wednesday afternoon. We could also do it on Monday. So I'm happy, you know, when when we have the parks chair available and when it isn't something that was on the consent agenda staff, just, you know, so the public knows, I know someone touched on this, but, you know, when something is on a consent, the consent agenda, our department chairs don't anticipate that they need to be here to present and ask questions on those items. So that I think having a little more time on that would be good too. I'm not going to move to send it back to committee right now because I kind of want to see how people feel about it and either one's fine with me. Okay, great. Thank you. Councillor McCoy. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Really, most of what I had to say was mentioned. I think I just wanted to, I like the direction that we're going. I think, I think a little more evaluation and information will be helpful. So at this point, I just kind of wanted to ask to see if we could get maybe a little bit more technical information on the kit, the full capability of the cameras. We seem to have folks saying that they can do this, but we 're not taking that option. So I'd like to, you know, get that clarified. And then, you know, what does it take to turn those other options on and off? And then I would happy to be discussed it in committee or carry it to Monday. Either of those is I'm open to. And I liked President Nugent's suggestion of maybe amending things a little bit so that we say that we can't do that unless we get the thumbs up from the mayor or city council or whoever is appropriate. That's all I got. All right. Thanks for sharing your comments. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. I was just going to add. It feels like it's going in the direction that we're having more conversation about it, whether that be on Wednesday or Monday. So I would ask council, you know, this to send the questions to, I guess, Marina or to Dale or to the mayor or to me. And just so they have time to research, research with the company. And, you know, if it's what do other places do, just having having a little more time to do that research. So. We get ahead of this because I know all of us have some questions kind of bouncing around in our heads right now. And so let's get those out of our heads and in an email to the people that can answer them for us. I appreciate that. Thank you. Councilman Nugent. Thanks. Just listen, everybody. I think Monday gives staff more time to prepare as well. As well. And to make sure that if people want to think about questions for a day or two, and then staff has a chance to look into that. So I would, without recommendation, without objection, recommend that we postpone consideration of this until next Monday, concurrent with that public hearing. Okay. Thank you for that. I'm seeing a nod from chair Cheryl and any objection to what has been. Opposed. Okay. Not seeing any objection, then this item will move to Monday, June 22nd. I appreciate all the coordination. And was there something? Is there something that we needed? Okay. All right. Great. And I'll just mention too that, you know, we're talking about security cameras in parks, but, you know, as Councillor Campbell noted, there's security cameras in this building. There's one, you know, there's security cameras in City Hall. And there is at other facilities as well. And so I think it's a conversation that is really broader than just our park space. So I would encourage you to think about that, that we should think about it maybe as citywide. Specifically, we're, you know, seeking to get budget authority to upgrade our antiquated equipment. And, but there's a lot of good questions out there and technology is moving very quickly. And so it's a good opportunity for us to have that conversation. So I appreciate it very much. Thank you. Okay. That wraps up that regular business item then. So we'll move on to our next regular business or committee report item. And that is under public works and mobility, where we have the resolution supporting advancement to final design and implementation of the downtown safety access and mobility project. We have two motions here. And so both of them will need to be put on the floor again. But I do know that we have public works and mobility department director Jeremy Keene here. He did ask for a few minutes to be able to share some new information. So I thought we'd go ahead and start with this agenda item if that's okay, Chair Becerra. Start with Mr. Keene. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Jeremy Keene, director for public works mobility. I wanted to just take a couple of minutes to just talk about some of the comments and questions that we heard on Wednesday and see if I can add a little bit more context to those. The first thing I wanted to do is just show you what we have available publicly on our Engage Missoula site. There's a lot of good information out there that really helps folks understand the project and find information, including what the current design is. The 60% design that we most recently presented at public meetings. There's a whole page on engagement, which has all of the past meetings and conversations that we've had with our working group and other meetings. And then there's this really wonderful virtual tour of the project that I would encourage everybody to check out. It is a story map that really helps explain all of the different pieces of the project. And, you know, in a very graphical and easy to follow way. So what the project is about, why we're doing it, what are the basic elements of the project, great maps and render ings of the project. So this is something that I just wanted to highlight for folks. If you're looking for more information, if your constituents are asking for more information, this is a really great resource. You can also access the boards that we had at our last public meeting. And there's also detailed drawings of the project if folks really want to get down into the weeds. So all of that is to say that we've had a very robust public process on this project. And it's something that takes years to develop. Some of the decisions we made on this project started 15 years ago, and some of the decisions are still being made. So we're making an effort to consider all of those different interests as we make decisions and make sure that we make the best possible decisions we can. So projects like this aren't always win-win. With limited space in the downtown and limited resources, we had to make some tough choices. And those trade-offs often meant weighing different interests on the project. So when you do that, not everyone's going to be happy. What I can say, though, is with confidence is that we did listen and we made decisions that balance those interests best we can. So a couple of things that came up last week that I thought I could just add a little bit more context to. I did send council a meeting about traffic analysis, which is easy to quickly get down into the weeds. But I think the big picture around traffic analysis is that we intentionally made decisions about trading a small amount of delay to improve the overall access and safety in downtown. So we prioritized getting in and around downtown over getting through downtown. And so what that meant is that we focused on how you get to parking, how you get to businesses and the park and the riverfront for all different kinds of users. So however you're coming downtown, we wanted to make that easier. And while some motorists may experience slightly longer delays at certain intersections at certain times of the day , we believe that that delay is going to be measured in seconds, not minutes. So our traffic analysis showed that for most intersections, they're expected to operate at level of service B or C. That's really very good anywhere you look in town, we're happy if we can get to C. With delays generally around 13 to 30 seconds. So that's pretty close to what we see today. There's a few exceptions. One of them is at the intersection of Higgins and Front, which could see longer delays. The traffic analysis is predicting 116 seconds as an average delay. And what that really is going to come down to is how traffic redistributes when we change the traffic patterns. We're going to make some pretty big changes with converting one-way streets and changing where people are going to go. So we're not totally sure how that traffic is going to redistribute. So what we think will happen is that it'll get to a point of equilibrium. So where we have some intersections where we're seeing in the traffic analysis, there's more delay and others that have less delay. People will find that easier spot to go and they'll distribute to these other intersections and it'll balance itself out. So we think some of these intersections that we're showing lower delay, you know, 20 seconds of delay, that'll probably end up being a little higher. And these intersections where we're seeing really high numbers like Higgins and Front, that number will actually go down when traffic rebalances. We also looked really closely at parking. We know this is important. It's important to businesses. It's important to people that work downtown, to visitors. So we made a lot of decisions along the way that preserved parking. We intentionally changed the design to weigh parking more heavily in the choices we made. And we looked at ways that parking can be better managed through management of our parking structures and lease programs so that we're really thinking about parking in downtown as a whole and not in one particular spot or one particular mode. So while there are parking impacts, we think that overall picture in downtown as parking is good, that we will have parking and people will be able to get downtown and find space. We also heard a little bit about construction impacts. And I know this is something that's really of high concern to folks, especially if you run a business downtown, that this project could really be disruptive. And so we've looked at how we can minimize disruption by ph asing the project. We're not going to do it all at once. It's going to be done in small pieces so that we can keep traffic moving and so we can keep access to the businesses open. And we'll continue to work with those business owners and residents downtown to make sure they continue to have access during construction and that they understand what's happening when. And so we're going to be able to do it all at the time. And so we're going to be able to do it all at the time. And so we're going to be able to do it all at the time. And so we're going to be able to do it all at the time. And so we're going to be able to do it all at the time. And so we're going to be able to do it all at the time. And so we're going to be able to do it all at the time. And so we're going to be able to do it all at the time. We really need traffic to be calmer and move slower in downtown. So we've looked at ways that we can add traffic calming to slow traffic down. And then we'll also be looking at that as the project is completed and we can evaluate how well it's working. So we've already designed our function. And the last thing is budget. So we've looked at how we can responsibly use our local resources to leverage this big federal grant. Things are always more expensive than we'd like them to be, but we've made a lot of tough choices and good choices around how best to use that money so we get the most value we can for this grant. As our good friend John Engen used to say, perfect is the enemy of good. This project is not perfect, but I think there's a lot of good things in this project. We do a lot for our downtown. Thanks. I'm happy to take any questions. Great. Thank you very much, Jeremy. Any questions? Mr. Keen. Councilor Campbell. Thank you, ma'am. Mayor, and thank you for the earlier information that I asked for. I appreciate it. I'll address some of those again here. I'm just curious, maybe to delve a little deeper in something councilmember Melson brought up during committee last week, talking about some of these alternatives or additions to design. And above the base plan, like bicycle racks or whatnot. Are those decisions we need to be making as a body here tonight as far as what alternatives we need to? Or we need to give you direction on those alternatives or those add-ons or anything at this time? Thank you for that question. Thank you for that question. The answer is no. We will come back to you in August or early September when we have our actual bid prices. And we can tell you more specifically, this is what's in the project or not in the project and within the budget that we have. So there will be a point where you can decide, do we want to fund this additional, call them options. So we have add options to the project, things like some of the street furniture, bike racks, things like that, that could be added to the project if there's enough money. So you'll have another opportunity to weigh in. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks. Might actually be a little follow-up on that. And apologies if you just answered this exact question. I was looking at my notes a little bit. I had a great conversation with you and Mr. Wilson after our Wednesday committee meeting, just talking a little bit about how one of the maybe under appreciated factors of the traffic patterns is how they're going to change with the conversion of front and main to two ways and the new light at the Madison Street kind of right before you go over the bridge. Can you speak to that or kind of expand on that at all? I mean, not to put you completely on the spot, but I think that's relative to my questions about intersections and things like that, for instance. Well, there's a couple of important things with this project. One is that we are going to change the traffic pattern in downtown. It will calibrate the way that people get around as they learn the new patterns and learn what's easiest to get where they need to go. And that will also require us to do follow-up work on the traffic signals and the optimization. So we're going to start with a timing plan that is our best guess. Educate a guess of what's going to happen, and then we're going to monitor and revise that timing plan as we see what's really happening. And one of the big advantages we have with the new signals is they are recording traffic data continuously. So they're going to collect data that we'll be able to use to see where is the traffic occurring and where are the delays occurring so that we can adjust those signals in a way that we really don't have that ability today. Current signals are fixed timing, and if we want to get traffic counts, we have to go out there and manually count traffic to understand what's going on and then go through a more cumbersome process of figuring out those new timings. This will happen more real-time, new technology. Any additional follow-up questions? Questions for Mr. Keene? All right, not seeing any additional questions. We'll go ahead and make the motion, and then we'll offer up the opportunity for public comment. Great, thank you. Chair Becerra? Yeah. Yeah. I move that we approve the resolution supporting advancement into final design and implementation of the Downtown Safety Access and Mobility SAM project as established in the attached resolution. Great. Do you want to go ahead and read both motions? We'll get them both on the floor. Thank you. I also move that we approve and authorize the mayor to sign the contract amendment to the Professional Services Agreement with Jackson Contractor Group for tasks related to pre-construction services. Thank you very much. Both motions are on the floor. We'll vote on them separate, but we will take public comment on either one of those now. So if any members of the public are here to comment on this project, on this agenda item, you're welcome to come up now, please. Thank you. Good evening. I apologize if I'm repetitive on any of the points that he made previously, but these are the things that I felt are important to bring up as a community member, so I'm just going to go with it. Forgive me for just reading from my phone. My name is Jenny Taylor. I'm District Ward 6. I would like to address the proposed SAM project. I'm a born and raised Montanan, and I've seen many projects like this in my own hometown that make permanent changes on infrastructure that only benefits a certain number of people and really doesn't consider everybody else around. I'll try to make that point. It's also done with little to no community engagement. As far as I have been able to see, it is a really great website. I've spent a lot of time on it, but I have not met a single other person that even knows about this project. I work on Higgins. I work downtown, and not even my business owner, any of my coworkers, even knew that this project was happening, and it's been happening. Like he said, for 3 to 15 years that they've been beginning to make decisions on this project. They came to my place of work and asked if we have any questions. Like I said, nobody did. I tried to fire off a few questions. I asked mostly about budget. I knew that it was a grant that they had applied for, and it was in that time where grants were not really coming through. I asked what the ideas were, like what was going to happen if the grant didn't come through, and if they would proceed. And they just said, nope, we have it secured, and it will not go over budget. Last I checked, based on your last week's vote, it was 4 to 9 million over budget still. And when I looked further into that, I realized that to get down to that point, they were even further over budget. They had cut some of the accessibility aspects, those aspects that I really liked. I went to the open house. Those were the aspects that I liked about it. I thought that there was something salvageable in this. And I don't believe that any of the changes that are currently in the plan are going to improve safety for cyclists. I don't think it's that unsafe downtown bike. It's not ideal, but we're a small town. We're doing our best. I think, if anything, it's going to increase accidents with motorists, bicyclists, pedestrians. Nobody's going to know what's going on. Nowhere in Montana has seen something like this. Just look at how long it took Missoula to figure out round abouts. It's still a really hard one for everybody, I've noticed. And I just, I would feel more unsafe with everybody coming into Missoula, our tourists, our visitors, not knowing how it works, already not really knowing how it works. It's a convoluted system that we have, but we're figuring it out slowly. And I think that that is when commuting becomes really dangerous, is when everybody's frustrated and annoyed and they're waiting in traffic. It's very much a big city structure squeezed into a small city. Thank you for coming down. Thanks for making your comments this evening. Good evening, Madam Mayor, City Council. Thank you for the opportunity to comment. My name is John Wilberton. I live in Ward 1, just across the railroad yard up Orange Street. So I've come to downtown quite a bit. I really like this project a lot. You've all heard me comment in the past, particularly about cycling facilities and often addressing the unfounded fears about loss of parking, and particularly reminding people that these ideas go back to the 2009 downtown master planning process, which was very robustly attended. I was in halls with hundreds of fellow citizens that came to the conclusions that these are the type of things we need to do in our downtown. Although I'm not a member of the Citizens Working Group, I have attended quite a few of those meetings, and I should note that it was a really great place to get the finer-grained details from the staff and the consultants. I really appreciate that, and I think the people on that committee were very appreciative, and they were very engaged. What I did hear there consistently in the times I attended is when somebody was speaking about a particular issue, often they would always default back to the filter that matters the most is safety. I heard that from a number of people in that Citizens Working Group, and I would submit that all the elements of this project aim to increase safety for all the modes, particularly the more vulnerable street users. So this is better safety. Even if it costs a little bit more, it's going to create better access for all people. This is going to be a great project, and I ask that all council members support it. Thank you. Thank you for sharing your comments this evening, John. Anybody else for public comment? Hi. My name is Matt Schaefer. I am in Board 6, and I come before you today wearing many hats. Avid cyclist, a concerned citizen, an EMT who works in the emergency department at St. Pat's, and a member of local downtown business. As you can probably tell from my apparel, I am the other half of fight or flight emergency medical educators. My partner, Danielle Petri, could not be here today, but I hope to represent our concerns as effectively as she has throughout the past year. So I have a lot of problems with the SAM project. Frankly, three minutes is not really enough to address all of them, so I'd really like to focus on the one that's most alarming to me, and that's safety. I don't typically like to advertise this, but I have a degree in chemical engineering, and the valuable skill that I developed throughout that training wasn't equations, chemical formulae, or mathematics. It was learning to think critically. What do I need to achieve some certain outcome? What resources and evidence do I need to bridge that gap? And when I apply that framework to this project, the proposed solutions just simply don't make sense whatsoever. If I were part of the design team, probably one of the first things that I would have done is kind of do a thorough literature review in other cities that are really similar to Missoula and see how that worked out for them. And as it turns out, there's at least two really notable examples. Either in Bend, Oregon or Bellingham, Washington, you can find the exact same project with similar goals and constraints. And yeah, they converted two lanes of traffic in each direction into a single lane to accommodate some separated raised bicycle infrastructure. And what I find really, really odd is that the before and after studies from both of these projects show increased vehicle collision involving pedestrian and cyclists, specifically at intersections. And it's about 100% or double. So safety is not going to be increased whatsoever. Physical separation is going to reduce visibility between drivers and other modalities of traffic. Increased congestion is going to heighten driver frustration and definitely lead to more erratic behavior. And then we're going to have this greater sense of cyclists and pedestrians feeling secure, even though they really need to remain vigilant. So given these findings, I think it's really irresponsible to disregard any of the data that was collected in other communities. And I know that's a lot to unpack in just a few short minutes here, but I've already submitted both of these studies to you multiple times in email submissions. So they should be in your inbox. But ultimately, ultimately, what I'm asking from you is simple. I really want you to think critically about this decision. Thanks for coming down to share your comments, Matt. Anybody else in the audience wishing to make public comment ? This agenda item. Okay. Not seeing any, then I'll just quickly go online to see if there's anybody online that wishes to make public comment. Carrie Schreiber, go right ahead. Thank you. Thank you. There we go. Thank you. It took a minute for the mic to get unmuted. I appreciate this project and all the hard work that's gone into it, including the hard work from the people at the Fight to Fight or Flight group that had been doing their own research, attending meetings, and bringing up really practical issues all along. Danielle had shared with me that one person accused her of not caring about safety, which is really ironic considering the work that she does. I'm seeing a trend where we have these federal grants available that really do guide the development of our community. And we're initially told that it's not going to be an expense or much of an expense to the public. But as we get closer and closer, the burden shifts to the public away from those grants. And I'm very concerned to hear that we're losing some of the accessibility aspects of this project. Tying back to Christian Newman's comments earlier about having accessibility in our community. We know how important that is. Those are not the things to cut. And overall, I'm very concerned about this pattern of believing that, say, we have a developer that has unlimited money, so it's not going to be a public burden. And then it ends up being $11 million conservative estimate in public burden. Or in this situation with the federal grants being told it 's not going to have a negative impact. But I've lived in Bellingham. I've spent a lot of time in the bend. I haven't been there since they've done these traffic changes. And it's very concerning to hear that there's an increase in accidents. Some of these federal grants might start with great ideas, but that doesn't mean that it pans out that way financially or functionally for the community. I do hope they are giving due consideration to all these other concerns that are being brought up. Thank you. Thank you, Carrie. Thanks for your comments. Anybody else online? Anybody else online wishing to make public comment? All right. Seeing any there. We'll wrap up our public comment and bring it back to Council to see if Council members have any additional questions or any comments. Councilor Campbell? Time for comment. Please. Sure. I appreciate all the work that staff has done on this over many, many months and indeed years putting this project together. I know there's been a lot of public outreach. I know I haven't attended at a minimum. I remember that one open house we had at the Wilma Theater a few years back. I'm going to try to address some concerns of downtown businesses going forward with this. So I just want to give recognition where it's due and that 's the professional work of our public works department. That said, in so far as what we have here tonight, I am going to continue to be in opposition to this vote. I find it interesting that I pulled up a study here. It's from Metropolitan Planning Organization. I don't know if it's the latest one, but it's from 2015 Bureau of Business Economic Research. And the fact of the matter is in Missoula, depending on where you are in the county, cities are showing a 78% rate of automobile use, single occupant, as high as 85% would start in towards the county. And that's the mode of transportation in the city by a long shot. Everything else pales in comparison to that. But we have, we're revamping our downtown transportation system to accommodate a small fraction of the community that may or may not get some benefit, may or may not get additional safety in exchange for more congestion and more traffic, for the main mode of transportation that folks use here in the city of Missoula. And I don't feel that this is something that's going to be sustainable. You know, I hope I'm wrong. You know, when you cut the ribbon on this thing, however many years from now the thing gets built, you know, it'll be interesting to see, you know, how things actually pan out with redistribution of traffic patterns and, you know, who decides to take what mode of access across the river. I mean, there's only so many ways to get from one side of the river in this town to another. I mean, that's just one of the natural, you know, limiting factors of transportation in the city with a river run through it like Missoula has. So there's going to be effects. You know, I find it interesting that there's been a lot said at a large level about infrastructure in the state, particularly there are bridges. We just spent north of $17 million on, you know, at least by state standards, a brand spanking new bridge compared to some of the others when they're coming up on a century old. You know, for a 94-lane bridge, and now we're going to convert it down to two lanes. I just, you know, contemplate how much money could have been saved, you know, to go toward other bridge projects that are so urgent in the city here. They're not going to get completed, and, you know, that could have been made to do a two- or three-lane bridge. You know, how much money that could have saved. You know, and so far as Higgins Avenue itself, you know, I had hoped for a little more definitive detail. I appreciate the diagrams that were brought forward for the different intersections, and admittedly, you know, I was not able to search those online. I could have done a little more homework personally there, but, you know, I see those diagrams. But, you know, it sounded to me from last Wednesday that, you know, these aren't hard and fast decisions yet. And we're talking about different pedestrian and bicycle and crosswalk configurations at Broadway and Higgins. And I know at least one of my colleagues voiced concern about that particular intersection and, you know, whether or not those would be addressed going forward I think still remains to be seen. I still have concerns with the cutback and some of the services that were brought up to, you know, actual safety modifications, structural safety modifications that have been cut out of this project that seem counterintuitive to SAM, Safety Access and Mobility. The ramp going down to Ryman Street, the raised bicycle ramps. I also find interesting that, you know, of all things, you know, we're looking at increasing walkability and bike ability, but we don't have, you know, at the going price, we don't even have bicycle racks for people to, you know, store their bicycle without being an add-on fee. I feel like, you know, way we're, you know, spending $30 million, we're buying a Bentley here, and we have to pay extra for the cup holders, which is, you know, it's kind of asinine. You know, a lot of comments I'm making now I've made, you know, I've made before. You know, I would just say, though, it seems, you know, we as a body need to have a discussion about just how we do applications for federal grants, you know, beyond, you know , the typical CDBG and, you know, housing grants, you know, those seem to have a different mechanism, but these particular traffic and infrastructure grants as we go forward, I think there has to be a way, I think there has to be something that allows us to have, you know, an idea of what's being contemplated by public works or CD PI or whatever department, you know, police, or whatever department in the city, if we're going to contemplate a grant to have as early as much leeway or heads up as possible, you know, prior to coming to the point where, you know, here it is, and we spent tens of thousands of dollars putting together a study to justify a grant, because that's part of the grant application package, and, you know, oftentimes I feel like, I felt with this project, our honest first look at it, at least my time on council, was when we did the authorization to have the mayor sign for the $1.2, $1.1 million for our share of that raised grant a year, year and a half ago now, and, you know, to me, that was the earliest, most convenient time of deciding whether or not we were going to commit to this project, and, you know, in hindsight, being 2020, you know, it would be nice to, you know, ask those hard questions about what our commitments would be legally for any cost overruns for infrastructure projects like this, and, you know, here we are today talking anywhere from $4 to $9 million, depending on what it is we decide to do, and our legal obligation, if we go forward to find that money and add that money to this project is frustrating. But, obviously, that's kind of where we're at. So, for all the reasons I mentioned, I'll be a no on this. Thank you for your comments. Councilor Campbell. Councilor Nugent. Thanks, Mayor, and thanks, Councilor Campbell. I kind of lost track. I was listening to you. I've got to regather myself here. I do actually appreciate one thing. I appreciate a lot of what you said, but I appreciate one thing you said, and I think that that is, on some of these grants going forward, I do think that at the application process, we need to pay more attention, because this one, especially once the application was in, there were no changes. And I know we cite kind of the downtown master plan and a lot of other planning documents, so I don't think that that application came from nowhere by any stretch. But I think that's where maybe some of the frustration lies . I also think we need to acknowledge that we're just not living in an environment where we have the luxury of being able to work with the federal government to change grant applications. And I think that might be the monkey or the gorilla in the room. What do they say? It doesn't matter. With that, I do want to correct a little bit of misinformation I've seen online over the last week. We've talked a lot about it's $23 million is the grant, correct? $24. And that's kind of an all or nothing. And we can't spend it on other things. And I saw a lot of social media comments, some folks engaging with even some people on council who I think maybe should have corrected the record a little bit. We can't spend this money on a new police station. It's federal money. It's tied to this project. We can't spend it on a community justice center. Federal money tied to this project. We can't spend it on a new parks building. It's federal money tied to this project. I recognize that there's some conversation about using urban renewal money, but also we have to spend that urban renewal money in that district. So we could not take urban renewal money that might be used to supplement this with infrastructure and spend it somewhere else. So I think it's important to know that we are not choosing to do this over other priorities. This is an opportunity to do a lot of priorities that are there with money that could not be spent on other things. I drive downtown every time I come. I suppose I've bussed before. Actually, I used to ride the bus to the preschool when I was a little kid. So I've ridden the bus downtown tons of times, just not in 40 years or so. I drive down Higgins most of it. Ward 4 is kind of down there. And I either come down Brooks or I come all the way down H iggins. And I said on Wednesday, and I'll say today, every time I drive down Higgins from Hellgate High School to the bridge, I think I'm lucky that I'm not side swiping a car or somebody's not swiping into me or somebody's not opening their door or, frankly, that a biker doesn't get hit. Because I think that stretch of Higgins from the bridge to Hellgate High School or from Hellgate High School to bridge is incredibly unsafe. And it's nothing to do with a preference for bikes. I drive a truck. I'm going to drive a truck. I'm going to park downtown. I'm probably the person Bob's describing. But I think that that drive will be safer for me in my truck because of the changes that we want to make from that stretch. I've heard from business owners on that stretch that are very supportive. I recognize that there are pros and cons to a lot of this. I think that the information about crash incidents and whether they've increased or not is definitely something that merits a lot of consideration. Most of the research I did on projects like this being und one said that they weren't really citing safety issues. It was more political pressure. And I think that that's also worth mentioning is that there 's a lot of preference in things like this. But I think overall there's a lot of good in this project. There's also definitely a lot of accessibility still there. I think the ramp down from the Higgins Street Bridge to Kar is Park is going to be a great addition and really help people get kind of immersed into that community treasure and tie it more in. I'm also very excited to see how downtown expands. I think that if you take this and you talk about creating new traffic patterns and a new stoplight at the kind of base of the Madison Street Bridge, there's opportunities to actually take some of the traffic on Higgins and spread it out into downtown more, which I think helps downtown businesses that go beyond Higg ins because, you know, there are a lot of people that operate businesses downtown that aren't on Higgins. And I think that that's part as well. And then we pair that with the recent sale of the River front Triangle. And, you know, I talked about this last week, but, you know , Ellen Buchanan has talked about for years the dream has been to expand downtown beyond Orange Street. I think that this all kind of helps build on that. So I think that there are things to be frustrated on. And if I was doing this myself from scratch, sure, there are things I'd do different. But I think by far the pros outweigh the cons, and I'm happy to support it and kind of anxious to see it get started and get it all behind us. Thank you for your comments. President Nugent. Councilor Jones. Thank you. Yeah, I've got some comments. And we've had lots of public comment over the years that we 've been hearing this. So I do appreciate all of that and people taking their time to lean in. But I want to talk tonight about my frame of reference on this, why I'm supporting it. And, first of all, there have been decades of input from the public regarding the needs for these actions. We've had two downtown master plans, I think 2009 and 2016. Both of those, with thousands and thousands of people providing input, both of those plans called for three-way conversion instead of four lanes on Higgins. They called for expanding the width of the trail. And they called for bike lanes to be separated and much safer. So we've heard about that a lot. And from when I first campaigned for council in 2015, the hip strip has been a night. I will not ride my bike on it. Absolutely not. Driving it is always a work in progress because you have to literally shift into the other lane at times. If someone's trying to open their car door that's parked, it's just so narrow. It's not good. So I think these issues have been spotted for several decades. This is nothing new. We just finally had everything kind of converge and come together and the opportunity to apply for a grant that addressed some of our concerns. And once that train starts, it is a train. And you get on or you get off. So I don't think this has happened quickly. I think it's taken a long time with a lot of input and a lot of discussion. Last Wednesday, I had some questions for staff about traffic engineering because I get the feeling from a lot of the public comment, people think, well, there's just some ideas. And so now we're just going to do those ideas. But traffic engineering is actually a study unto itself. And it is very methodical. Very analytical. And as was discussed Wednesday during committee meetings, statistics from across America are gathered and crunched. And they are always drilling down to figure out the next best step in safety. So 10 years ago in 2016, we heard in council the project of narrowing 5th and 6th Street, which are one-way streets. And they were two lanes. A traffic study had been done. And finally, it was coming to council to try and figure out . And it was very contentious. But the statistics on accidents were not good. And this is 5th and 6th Street, the one-way streets between Russell and Higgins. And there's a lot of residential in there. People were extremely unhappy with how fast cars were going because, you know, if the car ahead of you is going too slow, you could just get in the other lane and pass them. There were all sorts of accidents and something called the double hazard, where if you are a car or a bike or a pedestrian trying to cross that street, the lack of visibility, if the first car blocks the second car, is really dangerous. So I, at that point in time, read the 100-page traffic engineering report, the traffic study that was done on this . And I was like, you know what? There's a lot of good stuff in here. Ultimately, that passed. That work was done. Since then, I have had constituents come up to me and say, you know what? I was really against that. But it's worked really well. I reached out to, that's been my impression, too. I reached out to staff last week. I said, hey, it seems like it's going really well with 5th and 6th. Do you guys have statistics yet? They have not done a holistic analysis. They're going to. It's on their work plan. But they did a quick look in. And they noted that total crashes on that stretch of those stretches of 5th and 6th Street, where it went down to one lane between Russell and Higgins. Total crashes have gone down. Sideswipe and rear-end crashes have gone down. Bike crashes have gone down. So the reason why I bring this up is this project in front of us is based on traffic engineering. And you know, 30, 40, 50 years from now, there'll probably be more information on how to do it even more safely. But for right now, this is the best we've got. And a lot of thought has gone into how to very carefully do this so that we get better safety results. And I hear folks say, well, this isn't going to make it safer. It's not going to make it more accessible. Some of the highlights for me, ADA curb ramp improvements makes it way more accessible for folks. Protected bike lanes on Higgins makes it a much better riding experience if you're a bicyclist. Front main, converting down to one lane eliminates the double hazard. Having a signal at front in Madison, that has been a nightmare to try and cross Madison Street at the bottom of the bridge for decades and decades. Now there's flashing lights. It's still kind of dicey. I'm really looking forward to having an actual light there. Widening the riverfront trail and putting lighting in will make it much better. In the last couple of years, the trail across the bridge over in front of the old Missouli area was widened. So much better. So I'm looking forward to that. Having the ADA compliant ramp from Bear Tracks Bridge down to Karis Park will be great. Currently, for someone who has mobility issues to get down to Karis Park, they have to go a long ways around and run the gauntlet. It is really challenging. And then finally, I mean, signal optimization. There's just not a downside to that. So I'm looking forward to all of these. I know, as Jeremy said tonight, we've had to make hard decisions. And I think this council is very aware of those hard decisions. But the good really outweighs the negative for me. There are two public comments that I really wanted to highlight. First is the Missoula Downtown Association has stood strongly in support of this from day one and attended many, many meetings. Missoula Downtown Association represents 400 businesses. And they have been very involved in and not only participated, but helped finance and accepted or voted on. Sorry, I'm losing words here. The master downtown plans that called for all of this. We, as a body, have voted on and approved the master downtown plans. So to me, I understand not all businesses will be happy. But the Downtown Association is a very strong voice, showing a lot of consensus amongst a lot of the businesses. The second public comment I want to draw attention to is Summit Independent Living. They are the group in town that advocates for folks with disabilities. And they had very strong public comments saying, yes, this will make a much better environment for people who have mobility issues. Thank you for doing it. So I understand some folks don't like it. But those two voices are really important to me. And that's a main reason why I'm supporting it. I wish it wasn't going to go over budget. But our tax increment financing, one of the main priorities is infrastructure investment. And I can't think of a better infrastructure investment downtown at this point. So thanks, Jeremy, and to all of the staff for all the work done on this. I'm really excited to see the results in the long run and happy to support this. Thank you for your comments, Councillor Johns. Councillor Ponton. Thanks, Mayor Davis. I'm for sure biased. But I will die on the hill that Missoula has the best downtown in the whole of the state. So with that, this project has weighed pretty heavily on me . I think there are quite a few elements that will be net positives. I think when you think about like the three lane configuration, especially on the hip strip, just the traffic flow at intersections like PADI and main, PADI in front, Ryman in main. I think these all represent just the exact type of double threat concern that Councillor Jones was talking about. Trail connectivity, signal optimization. I think there's a lot to be really excited about. That being said, I also do have concerns in that chief among them is the conversion to two ways on front and main. I think we're fortunate to have really great parking gar ages in Missoula. But that being said, the loss in street parking is not lost on me. Heard a lot of public comments, some very supportive, some, you know, opposed, and some was somewhere in the middle. I think the financial reality is that without the, you know , the ability to get the raise grant for this particular project, there's no way we could take on work like this, even remotely close to this scope. That being said, I, I, I share, you know, some of the frust rations that have been echoed. Council presidents, Nugent mentioned as well. I wish there were core elements that we could change today, but unfortunately that's just not the reality. And looking at some of the neighborhood, you know, metrics and data for the heart of Missoula, which encompasses this area, that neighborhood's population growth has outpaced the rest of the city of Missoula, by a factor of about three X since 2010. That coupled with, you know, some of the crash statistics that are on the engaged Missoula site, where crashes per mile are almost seven X what they are in the rest of the city. In this particular corridor that's covered by the SAM, I think just highlight the fact that we need infrastructure improvements in this area. So ultimately this was, you know, a very difficult decision , but I do think there's going to be a lot of net positive impacts and I'm going to continue to be in support and just also want to echo other comments and thank city staff for all of the work and communication and correspondence that put in this project. It's definitely been a big lift. So thank you for that. Thank you, Councillor. Thanks for adding the additional statistical information. Interesting. Councillor Kraske. Thanks, Mayor Davis. I didn't provide comment on Wednesday during committee meetings, so I just wanted to give a bit of insight into my thought process tonight. I'll be in support of this project tonight because I believe it reflects the kind of community, livable and sustainable, that we're working to build together. A livable community means that people of all ages and abilities can move safely through our city. It means children can get to school, seniors can remain connected and independent, and residents have choices in how they get around. Like Mike said, and I echo, whether someone walks, bikes, buses, or drives, we all benefit from safer and more connected infrastructure . But I also understand the concerns that many residents have about costs, and I share those concerns. As stewards of public resources, we have a responsibility to provide transparency and ensure that we're spending wisely. We're living in times where every dollar matters more than ever, both in our personal households and as a community. Fortunately, we've secured substantial outside funding for this investment in our community, and I believe that we should use the tools available to us to make the most of that opportunity. I've heard a lot of conflicting opinions about TIF, tax increment financing from constituents, and it's true that this financing could be one of these tools. TIF can allow us to bridge the gap on a project that would not be possible by reinvesting growth within the district back into public improvements, which helps us on this project close the financial gap without increasing taxes on residents for the completion of this project. To me, sustainability is about environmental stewardship, and it's about making decisions that serve future generations and building a community that's resilient, connected, and especially financially responsible. The raised grant requirements for the project allocation, when I looked them up, include improving transportation safety, accessibility, and sustainability, reducing greenhouse emissions, incorporating climate resilient measures, addressing environmental justice and equitable access for historically underserved communities, and projects that also support regional economic development. The fact that this project meets all of these criteria speaks really highly of the caliber of this project. For these reasons, I'll support moving forward on this project, and I believe that this investment today will help create a safer, more livable, and more sustainable Missoula for everyone tomorrow. Thanks. Thank you for your comments, Councillor Kraske. Councillor Anderson. Thanks so much, Madam Mayor. Remind me not to raise my hand after Ms. Kraske. That was well said. Thank you so much. But I will try to fumble and provide my thoughts in a less eloquent way. But one of the advantages of being on council for as long as myself and Ms. Jones have been is that we get to see kind of the evolution life cycle of the first presentations that folks from public works were bringing into being like, hey, we want to apply for this grant. This is what we would do with this grant. To getting awarded to the grant to now being to the point where we're seeing design concepts and having to make some tough decisions. And $24 million is a significant amount of money. But one of the things that I think my time on council has taught me is that budget and inflation and what you might have been able to do with $24 million in 2000 and our 2021-22, when this was being a concept that came to getting on paper , to applying, to being awarded, they're estimating that inflation of construction, road construction, highway construction materials, has gone up anywhere from 40% to 50% since 2020. And in 2023 alone, it was, at the average, it was over 15%. So it is frustrating that we aren't able to provide all of the things that we had designed and had a concept we applied for this grant. But the reality is that the money and what we thought we could accomplish then and what we can accomplish now just do not line up for factors well outside of our control . And I think that we in Missoula are fortunate enough to have other tools to help, as Ms. Krass said, bridge the financial gap. And these are exactly the types of things that TIF is designed to help provide for. I think that, you know, just because something has always been one way doesn't mean it always will be that way. There was a point in time where horses and buggies were the predominant way of getting around. That's no longer the case. Yes, we are a predominantly car-centric community. I live, maybe Miss Becerra might live actually farther from downtown than me, but I might think I might be the farthest one out from downtown. Mr. Bickle says I live in Lolo. I don't. But, you know, and I have to drive downtown because, you know, there's no bus that comes to me. I'd love to be enough of a cyclist, but that's just not happening in this lifetime. And so when one of the main complaints I hear about from my constituents who also live out in the hinterlands with me is that they can't find parking. And so one of the things I tried to educate myself on when I got onto council is, well, why is that? What can we do? How can we address that? And was really educated about the fact that, you know, the way our transportation system is, what we're trying to design and trying to build out and trying to achieve is that those folks who live closer to the core of downtown have more options to get downtown without having to take their car, whether it be bike, whether it walk, whether it be a bus. And that then therefore takes a car off the road for somebody of us who lives farther out to then be able to easily, more easily get downtown and to find a parking spot. And I just recently started thinking about, you know, maybe I don't always want to live in the place where I live. And maybe it would be really awesome to live closer to downtown because I would really love to walk downtown or walk to coffee or whatever. And I, you know, Miss Cheryl is like, oh, I walked to council this morning and I had this great thought on the bridge when I was walking over here. And I'm like, that just sounds so lovely. And so, but, you know, being able to create these opportunities, you know, it takes long-term master planning , which is what went into the SAM application. And these applications are incredibly competitive. And so we obviously had to show that we were doing our due diligence. We knew what we were able to accomplish. It met the goals and therefore was awarded a very substantial grant. And I want to continue to be engaged as we kind of get more further down the design and have to make some of these tough decisions. You know, we are the representation of the folks who will be utilizing all of this eventually. But I think that the statistics that Mr. Potten and, you know, other folks have brought up about the reasonings why some of this, there's a method to madness. What may be seen as madness is that there is a reason behind it and that long-term it will provide some much-ne eded safety improvements, traffic release, multimodal options. And that, you know, someday when, if I don't want to live in Ward 5 and I live closer to downtown, I might be able to take one of those raised and protected bike lanes to get downtown and leaving my car at home and therefore leaving a spot for somebody else. And that's just kind of the life cycle of how this works and that we get to these points where we have to make tough decisions like this, but we have to think about all that went into it, what's going to happen with it, and then what it will mean going forward. And really sort of ask the tough questions of the people who are the experts in this and then make that decision. So I feel very confident in making the decision right now to support this project and will continue to look forward to the discussions to come. Thank you for your comments, Councillor Anderson. And Councillor McCoy. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Yeah, I agree with the following Ms. Crass there. My statements aren't as prepared nearly as well. But I also did not comment on Wednesday and feel like I should try and get my thoughts and feelings on this out so people can understand them a little better. I've been wrestling with this since I came on council and trying to weigh this because, you know, I think this highlights another area where this job is very difficult because we have people presenting information to us from both sides, pro and against, that are relying on statistics. They're trying to rely on data. They're trying to sway our opinion. And yet, you know, we're getting both sides, for and against, you know, information for and against, whether it's out of Bend, Oregon, or a city that found it better. And it's extremely difficult to weigh those decisions. And for me personally, what I end up doing is coming kind of back to my practical experience. And so, you know, reading the emails from our constituents in Ward 6, you know, I reached out to some friends in Bend. I used to work in Redmond, Oregon. And it was kind of the same thing. It was a mixed bag. Some were a for, some were against. Folks were less familiar with the incidents increasing. But there was no, like, solid definitive thing. For a lot of them, it felt like, you know, and this is like three or four people, granted, but it was a great thing. And there are more bicyclists, and they were happy with the changes. And I still am trying to narrow down, like, if there was, I don't know of a bridge. I don't think the equation to a four-lane bridge is quite the same in Bend. I don't remember there being as large a bridge as ours in downtown Bend. So I was struggling with that piece a little bit as far as comparisons go. The other thing that I've been thinking about a lot about with downtown is, you know, what it was like to bicycle downtown in the late 90s or in the early 2000s. And for me, as an avid bicyclist, it has been a slow progression towards improvements. You know, what it was like to, you know, for those of you that remember the rickshaw businesses that were downtown in the early 2000s, you know, or to bicycle downtown, to me, it feels safer. We're making improvements, however slow but sure. And what I see in this project on Higgins is a continuation of those improvements. And, yes, ideally this change in traffic lanes will improve things. I don't know how we could go backwards anymore, right? Like, what we have downtown currently, and we're being asked to kind of, by some folks, to stick with is challenging when you come in, particularly from the south side of Higgins, and you hit Broadway, and you've got to, if you don't know that you're going to be forced to take a left, and you've got to get into the right-hand lane, then you're kind of stuck. And there's some things about that that aren't intuitive and that you don't know about. And if we make these changes, they'll be more intuitive because that's kind of what you see more throughout the country, in my opinion. I do still have some concerns about Front Street and the non-separated bike lanes. But I felt like those questions were answered well by staff on Wednesday as far as, you know, the spacing and what we have the ability to do. And I think the last thing that I'd like to touch on is budget. And I've been trying to reconcile this a lot over these weeks. And again, coming back to my practical experience, I've never applied for a grant with a nonprofit organization that wasn't planning on over costs or looking to figure out how to have funding set aside to help with whatever the grant wasn't going to be able to cover. As a farmer, I mean, I've never actually done it, but several of the farms that I've worked with are applying for NRCS grants for greenhouses. All of them budgeted to have cost overruns or things that they wanted within that grant that weren't part of the grant, but they wanted that greenhouse to have. And to my mind, that's what we see happening here as well. We see a grant proposal. We've approved that grant. But there's going to be costs that we can't foresee. They're going to go up. And our use of the urban district, to me, makes sense because that's public funding going towards, in my mind, one of the most public goods, streets and sidewalks and mobility. Everybody gets to use this. It's not going to a sprinkler system in a building somewhere. It's not going to some type of construction project that is kind of out of sight and out of mind. This is something that we all get to use. And for me, that is public funding going to that process. And so I will be in support of this, ultimately. And I think we are going to continue making improvements to the downtown area and that this will help lend to that slow progression. And that if we don't decide to do this, then we will be footing the bill to make these improvements over the next 30 to 40 years because that's what it will take to find a way to bring it into our budget. And so for me, those things make it clear that this seems to be the best way to go. And I think that's all I have. Thank you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and your comments, Councillor McCoy. I do believe that is all of the council members that had their hands raised. So I'll just look around to see if there's any additional comments. And if not, then that does wrap up our parliamentary debate on these. Two motions are on the floor. So we are ready to take this to a vote. Cheyenne will take each of these motions separately and we'll do roll call vote on these whenever you're ready. All right. Starting with the motion to approve the resolution supporting advancement into final design and implementation of the Downtown Safety , Access, and Mobility, SAM project as established in the attached resolution. We'll start with Becerra. Yes. Campbell. No. Krask. Yes. Jones. Yes. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Aye. Melson. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Ponton. Yes. Savage. Yes. Cheryl. Yes. And Anderson. Yes. That motion passes. All right. And now the second motion, which is to approve and authorize the mayor to sign the contract amendment to the professional services agreement with the Jackson contractor group for tasks related to pre-construction services. We'll start with Campbell. No. Krask. Yes. Jones. Yes. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Aye. Melson. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Ponton. Yes. Savage. Yes. Cheryl. Yes. Anderson. Yes. And Becerra. Yes. The motion passes. Okay. Well, thank you all very much. I want to extend my appreciation and gratitude to everybody that has been working on many aspects of this project for many years. And in particular to our expert staff that have carried this through, the thoughtful and considerate conversations that have happened here around this dais from all of these council, and then to members of the public who have engaged in this process for a long time now. And adding your voice, the public comments have made this project better and have helped us make some tough decisions . And I am excited to get underway with what is going to be a transformational project for downtown Missoula. We have an incredible downtown, and we have the opportunity to make that even better. So thank you all very much for all of the hard work to get to this point. And now we'll continue to get after it. All right. That does wrap up our committee business. And so next we'll move on to public comment for items that are not on the agenda. This is for folks that haven't had a chance to speak on public comment for items that are not on the agenda. And so you're certainly welcome to do that now if you have any public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Okay. Not seeing any in the room, we'll just take a quick look online. And not seeing any online either. All right. All right. Well, that wraps up our public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Real briefly, communications from the mayor. I wanted to mention that we have the second city chats in the park. We host these every season. And these are available on the city of Missoula's website, on our Parks and Rec website, as well as Engage Missoula, if you're looking for a schedule through the year. But what this is, is different departments show up in our parks all around town. We try to make sure that we are present in different parks and different places in town. And tomorrow night from 430 to 630 is city chats in the parks at Rose Park. So we have different departments that show up. We talk about different projects that are happening. It's an opportunity for folks to engage one-on-one. I'd highly encourage you to come on down. Bike, walk, roll, drive. Lots of options to get there. And then I know I mentioned this at the very beginning, but I just wanted to mention again that there are Juneteenth celebrations this Friday. Friday, June 19th. Juneteenth. And those activities will be starting at 1030 a.m. This is at our historical museum, Fort Missoula, 3400 Captain Ron Way. It's by the big pavilion. You can't miss it. And it's a really interesting, festive, welcoming, really intentional, nice place to be in in terms of being in community. And so I'd encourage folks to come if you can. And with that, I'll wrap up my comments. And I'll hand it over to Council here to see what Council comments you have. Councilor Jones. I will pass. Thank you. All right. You bet. Councilor Becerra? I just, something that Ms. Anderson made me want to remind everyone that we have our transportation demand management agency, Missoula in motion. And you don't have to choose one mode over the other. You can always take your bike and put it on the bus. Our buses are equipped to allow for multimodal transportation. So since we are the ones to live further out, I'm going to have to challenge you one day to use, and Mr. Nugent, too, to relive those bus riding days. So anyways, just wanted to put that out there. I like it. Thank you. Councilor Bonten. Thanks, Mayor Davis. Just one quick note. This Wednesday, June 17th at 6 p.m., the Mullen General Meeting is being held in the 44 Ranch Park. There will be some tabling to talk about transportation, things like SAM. There will be a legislative update with Representative Car lin and Senator Kurdi. There will be some Council Q&A. I guess that's us. Some leadership team elections and obviously public comment as well. So hope to see you down there. Very good. Thank you. Councilor Kraske. I have nothing further tonight. Thanks. All right. You bet. Councilor Melson. Neither do I. Thanks. Okay. You bet. Come around the horseshoe. Councilor Jordan. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to also remind folks who are in the Orchard Home area that we unintentionally double-booked community meeting that night as well. We've had some neighbors who are interested in access to the Clark Fork Islands. And so we have Morgan Valiant from Parks coming to give an update on the area and potential access back to that area that was gated a few years ago. And it's at the Orchard Homes Country Community Life Club. It's a big mouthful. I think that's what it is. From 6 to 730. But, yeah, it does happen at the same time as the Captain John Mullen neighborhood meeting as well. So, anyway, pick and choose. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for the invitation. Great. Councilor McCoy. Pass. Thank you. All right. You bet. Councilor Anderson. Thanks so much. I do then think about Mr. Nugent and how your father who lives by you won multiple years biking. Yeah. So, I mean, we could just, this could all get very fun very quickly. So, I just, thanks everyone for the discussion on a topic that is good to have multiple points of view and ask different questions from different angles. So, I'm excited about all the festivities that are happening this weekend. So, I just want to remind everyone to drive a little slower and keep your eyes out. Missoula Parks and Recs program start this week because school's out and I can't help but hear the song, school's out. Yeah, in my head, every time I say that. So, lots of little kiddos will be participating in all of that within all of our parks. And a huge shout out to Meg Witcher who leads up that program. And I think every kid in Missoula should have an opportunity to have the influence of Meg's amazing positive energy in their life. And so, just so thankful for all the work that her and her team do to provide some really amazing camps. We also have, the mayor said, have Juneteenth on Friday. And then we have the Zootown Music Festival on Friday and Saturday happening at the fairgrounds. As well as, I do believe this weekend is also a pride fest ivity. So, a wonderful highlight of all the amazing things that happen in our community. And all the diversity it brings. And some of the things that makes Missoula really the best place to live. So, thanks everyone ahead of time for being courteous, conscientious, aware. And just have a great weekend, everybody. And it looks like it should be beautiful weather. Thank you. Great message. Thank you. Councilor Campbell. Thank you, Mayor. Mayor, I'll pass. Okay. You bet. And Councilor Cheryl. I'm going to pass this ball. Thanks. All right. You bet. Councilor Nugent. Thanks, Mayor. You know, I think there's a picture of you and me and Commissioner Slotick riding the mountain lion. So, I think, you know, I should. I should. It's memorialized. Yeah. And Miss Anderson, my father is who rode the bus with me to take me to preschool. So, it's all full circle. Speaking of that, lots of great going on this weekend. It's also Father's Day. So, happy Father's Day to all the dads and father figures out there, including mine. And, yeah, I think it's a great place to be in Missoula this weekend. I believe Pride's at noon. Is that correct? The festival, all those other things. I won't be in town. I'm on my parks tour of all the other baseball parks in the state. So, I'll be in Helena. But, I'm sure it'll all be great. And, yeah, that's all I got. It's always good to see what the neighbors are up to. Counselor Savage, you are online. Would you care to share any comments this evening? I'll pass tonight. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Okay, everybody. That does wrap up all of our agenda items. And, I will go ahead and adjourn our meeting at 8.24 p.m. Thanks, everybody. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Can you guys hear me okay? Yep, we can Eric. Okay, just double checking. Thanks. Hi, folks. Thanks for coming. Jeannie, I think, yes. I think we just have about half of the folks online today, but that's not right. It is 3.09 p.m. I'd like to call us to order for the Missoula Civic Television Advisory Commission on June 15, 2026. For folks that are online, in order to speak during public comments, you'll have to raise your hand to be unmuted, and then you'll be able to unmute yourself. Folks in the room, I'm going to call on you upon raising your hands. Other than that, if you're joining by phone, you need to press star 5 to raise your hand to be recognized for public comment, and star 6 to mute and unmute. We'll go ahead and start with taking the role to establish quorum. Justice, please go ahead. Thanks, Nevin. Beginning roll with Jennifer Lauren Nielsen. Victoria Emmons. Here. Allison Franz. Here. Nevin Graves. Here. Abigail Louton-Scribner. Eric Melson. Here. Ginny Miriam. Here. Valerie Rossman. Here. And Nathan Truzzolino. Here. We have quorum. All right. Thank you, Justice. All right. On introductions today, we do have a new citizen representative on the body. So, Nathan, if I could throw it over to you to introduce yourself. Thank you so much for joining MCTAC. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm honored to work with this committee. My name is Nathan Truzzolino. I'm a resident of Missoula for about 15 years now. Originally from Butte, America. Moved here to start a family and grow and have a great life. And that's what I've been able to do. And I wanted to get more involved in civic duties to help continue that for my children in the generations to come. So, this committee seemed like a good one to join that fit my background. So, I'm excited to be here and be with everyone and honored to work with you all. Nathan, I've been wondering if you're from the Butte family who makes the tamales. I am. I am. So, that was my first job. 14 years old, rolling tamales. Four in the morning. And I can tell you. I love it. I don't miss it. That's for sure. But yeah. We make pasties as well. Out of Butte. And sometimes you can find them hot at the Orange Street Food Farm Deli. So, if you ever want to catch one. That's the best place to get them. My mom is from Deer Lodge and we grew up eating them. That was nice. Yeah. She's a big fan. I'll have to bring some next time. Yeah. Wonderful. Well, thank you for having. Thank you so much for coming. We really appreciate having you here. And yeah, we're we've got a few other things to get to. First things first, we have minutes from May 18th. Should be in the agenda package. So unless anyone had any discussion on. those May 18th minutes. I'd entertain a motion to approve. Okay. Victoria, you're so. You are. Sounds so sweet. All of you approve the minutes. So moved by Jenny. Do I have a second? Seconded. Seconded. Yeah. Oh. Wonderful. I heard a second. I heard one on. on zoom and one in the room. So for the record, I'm going to say it was from Victoria. All right. All those in favor of approving the May 18th minutes. Please signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed, same thing. The ayes have it. The minutes are approved. All right. So we're going to approve the minutes. And we're going to approve the minutes. And we're going to approve the minutes. And we're going to approve the minutes. And we're going to approve the minutes. And we're going to approve the minutes. And we're going to approve the minutes. And we're going to approve the minutes. And we're going to approve the minutes. And we're going to approve the minutes. The ayes have it. The minutes are approved. All right. As far as public comment from those not on the body. Not seeing anyone online or in the room. So if that changes, we'll come back to them. All right. Old and continuing business. Joel, do you want to take us through the current programming schedule? Yeah. Thank you. So since we last met, I'll just highlight the new things you're going to do. Because there's some ongoing stuff. And one new thing is a lot of data center coverage. So there's been lots of meetings on Realtown and other groups. And we'll see that as I kind of go through some of the new stuff. Our second year of doing the Juneteenth celebration at the Historical Museum of Fort Missoula. That's coming up on Friday at 2:00 p.m. Missoula County Department of Ecology and Extension has a series we're doing. The next one is big on biochar. And it has something to do with soil. I had to look it up, but now I forgot what biochar is. But it has something to do with soil. Clinton Community Council invited us to their council. We had candidates for them in the House District 93. We retransmitted the all high schools graduation. When I say that, I do mean Big Sky Sentinel and Hellgate. And then Thursday before, we recorded Willard. And we did the very popular Missoula County Spelling Bee. And for the Native Department at MCPS, they had hosted a youth powwow at Sentinel Gymnasium, which we recorded. University of Montana, the SPARK Air Quality Forum. Used to be called Air Toxics Under the Big Sky. And now SPARK stands for something that could have air toxics in it. School of Music. We had a symphony, orchestra, concert band, and choral program to record. The hooding ceremony from the School of Law. And then hosted, you know, at the Adams Center. And very, very popular on YouTube, the Cayo Palo. For the community, we're continuing the Zero Waste Lunch and Learn series for Home Resource. Gary Gillette is back at Bonner Park for another season. This will be MCAT's 18th season of recording the concert series of Bonner Park. The Area Chamber of Commerce will host their own state of Missoula coming up. National Museum of Forest Service History. So they'll have the National Conservation Legacy Center grand opening. It's worth seeing. It's just a little bit west of the airport on that road. Is that Highway 93 or 10? No. No. Zero past the airport. That's where the Museum of Forest Service History is. Yes. 10. Indivisible Montana is doing another of their series in the basement of St. Paul's in the neighborhood. This one's called Values Align Investing. We wrapped up our Western Montana Socialists of America's Super Series. So Missoula Neighborhoods United are one of upcoming about four different groups that want to oppose Bonner-Milltown Data Center. So Missoula Neighborhoods United held a forum called Bonner-Milltown Data Center discussion. Another Tenants Union, I'm missing the end, the UNEO launch party of continuity lodges. Howard and Shinwan Reinhardt are responsible for the beautiful P&E Garden on the bottom of the trail to the end. And so now for the fifth year, we're going to record that. I also did a little bit on the Iris Society's show garden on the grounds of Fort Missoula. Super popular, but it was so beautiful. Arts Missoula and Radius Gallery have teamed up to do about five different Native American art series in the gallery, like Talk and Question and Answer. The last one was Contemporary Ledger Art. And Rattlesnake Creek Worship Group. Rattlesnake Stories included Bluebirds and Bluebird Houses. West Slope Chapter Trout Unlimited Trout the Classroom and Rainbow Fry release. This was kind of fun. I should have put the quotes ending there. So Ron was at the classroom at 7:00 a.m. and they loaded up their tadpoles that had grown to kind of rainbow trout fish size. And then the whole classes, I can't remember which middle school, went to the Frenchtown pond and released their fish. Actors in Missoula. So Missoula, MCAT has sponsored Missoula Filmmakers Collective. They're meeting in the library and they've got about 30 people participating. And each time they meet, we record a little instructional portion of their meeting. Like we did one on growing a YouTube audience. And one we did last was actors in Missoula. Talking about their experience on stage and on film. For Zootown Arts Community Center, we did the second annual Zest Fast. For Arts Missoula, we did their annual Art and Culture Award. Missoula County Democrats are continuing. I think we've got to call this bi-weekly information show because that's the way it's been shaken out. Tell us something, the power of place. That's coming up for Missoula. Good luck. Good luck. Tomorrow. We did a fundraiser, the High Noon Hood and Annie Telethon. Tomorrow. Missoula Community School. We continue with the Citizens Advisory Group, the CAG portion of Smartfoot Stone. Updates on the Superfund site. See here you see another one. Montana Environmental Information Center data center panel discussion. Friends of Two Rivers, update on restoration of Clark Fork. And Friends of Two Rivers Community Q&A about proposed small data center of honor. Climate Smart Missoula's hearing off with Wildfire and Wildfire Smoke Outlook. We did Diversity Day for Empowered Montana, for United Nations Association. This is Jennifer Waugh Global Goals. A new singing group called Missoula Sings had an off-lifting community song gathering. Garden City Strings had their recital at First Presbyteria. And I think sustainable investing is the same as the one I mentioned, Values to Line Investing. And every year we do for Empower Voices, their concert at MCT. Then the more recent guests, Devin Carpenter for Pride Montana, will also record the parade. That's coming up this Saturday afternoon. It'll start on 4th Street in the hip strip and go to the corner of Ryman and West Maiden where there'll be a stage and speakers and whatnot. Remember, so this summer I'm going to go to places and do interviews. As I did some years ago, like to the carousel as a location, to the water treatment plan as a location. So instead of putting everybody in the black box of the studio, interviews on location. Because the weather's next year and I don't mind carrying all that stuff around. So that's the report. Oh no, I have one more thing. The library's fifth year of service in the new building will be held on Friday, July 17th from 3 to 6 p.m. They're closing East Main or one of them. So that's it. Go for a block party. Yeah, that'd be a block party. There'll be food vendor trucks, a little stage where people will say smallifying things about the library and there'll be like a little DJ thing and a lot of kid activities from both MCAT Spectrum and Families First. Do you have an idea of number of views of the downtown Sam open house? Someone could look it up. I can pull that up right now. Yeah. I just keep the MCAT YouTube open during these meetings anymore. Oh, see, there you go. Sorry, I used to put those in when they were high enough. When they were noteworthy. Yeah. I was hoping it was. Remaining which date that was. No. How about putting like Sam or safety access modality or Florence Hotel or you get too many hits? Sorry, Jenny, I could look it up, but I don't know. No one's on it. I don't know. Yeah. So it's people can take the places for me to go to do interesting interviews. I will tell this to the cons. To me the other day, she said she still hasn't been able to connect with you. And so something's going on between the two of these. Yeah, there is. Just give me a date. I'm coming over to her kitchen. That would be my honor of the day soon. I'm her chief of staff this year. She starts July 1st. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And so if you give me the dates, I will make sure one of them works. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Hey, Schulte. She's the new district governor. Of the DAR? Oh, yeah. No, no. Rotary. Rotary. Yeah. The whole state of Montana. She's from Missoula. So. Is that opportunity to. Chances are like the whole state. The Missoula Downtown Safety Access Mobility Open House on April 28th had 44 views so far. All right. It's not astounding, but it's 40. Wouldn't have otherwise. We had really good attendance. In person. Oh, we'll try to tell you a time and then we'll just do it. Okay. Any other questions online regarding the programming schedule? I got one. Go ahead, please. Any plans to cover the Missoula Marathon this weekend? No, they didn't ask us. So the way it works is on our website, mcat.org, it lists services and then people fill out a form. And they probably thought that we saw much media, you know, so much of the local stuff. So often when people feel like their story would go unrecognized or want to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if you're not going to be the full story, you know, like a data center meeting or something. So if anyway, the service is like community driven so that we're not perceived as like a publisher, like, oh, we're pushing this or we're all about that. So if those marathon people asked us, we would do it. Good math. All right. Mm-hmm. And then as far as anything else for MCAT to record or televised. Yeah. Anything else? I have a question. Do you, does MCAT usually record the the County Consolidated Land Use Board meetings? Yes. Now that you all separated, right? Right. So it used to be city county legislator said, no, you can't do it no more. So we're keeping up with both sides. You are, okay. You know, the city side and the county side. Great. Great. Great. Cool. All right. Anything else in the room for Joel over the next month? Great. Moving on. We don't have much in the way of new business right now. Over on MCAT board comment, I have a few things on my end. I will say that MCAT's contract is coming up for review of City Council this Wednesday. So I'll be there presenting on that sometime in the afternoon. I'll have to double check the 3:00 PM. Thank you, 3:00 PM. Great staff. Who keeps track of that sort of thing for me. And certainly folks would be welcome to attend, especially if they want to hear more about our impact more broadly. Got a couple slides prepared. Got a couple slides prepared. I'll be talking about the next week. And between Joel and I will be talking about some of our impacts both more recent years and also over the 35 plus years that Joel and the organization have been doing. So we'd love to have folks there. Outside of that, I need to connect. I'm connecting with one of our board members tomorrow, but we are going to be doing a fundraising film screening for the organization at the Roxy in early July with a classic piece of public access community media, Wayne's World. So if folks want to attend that, it's free to attend. A donation is suggested, though. So I suggest you attend and I suggest you donate. Well, that's double suggested. And then also I should explain at the beginning. I'm going to show some of the clips of Missoula Community Access Television history that aligns with the popular vision of Wayne's World, of how these access centers worked in their prime in the 90s. So if you like hearing about Joel and Community Access Television's history, which you have to, because most of you have been on this board for at least six years. So if you like hearing about the first time, you're going to be on this board for the first time. So if you like hearing about the first time, you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. And then you're going to be on this board for the first time. So we don't buy tickets ahead of you. No, we don't have to. I'll just have you RSVP so I know you're coming. But you don't have to pay in advance or anything. Mm-hmm. And also, we don't want people to pay because we're not licensing the waves world. Because nobody's paying to see you. That's the way it works. Ah, I understand all of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Well, those wrap up my board. The only other thing that I have is I'll be in Madison, Wisconsin next week for the Alliance for Community Media's National Conference. We'll be taking a look at a lot of the things that we've otherwise discussed on the NCAT board and on this body with regards to cable franchise funding, how other access centers are dealing with. Yes, a lot of things. Right back to the hands. And will do. I will say if folks are interested in the specifics on any of that, I'm happy to send over the the conference agenda. And if you have specific questions that you want me to dig into, I'm always happy to spend that time running around for specific information. I'll be going along with another member of our staff and someone else from our board, Chris Badgley, who used to be on this body. Let's see if we can find it. We have held nothing on our agenda and the date of our next scheduled meeting should be. I'm so sorry. Oh, it should be July 21st. Are we the third or the second? Or the third. Today. Yeah, so it should be July 20th. July 20th. July 20th. Okay. July 20th, 3:00 PM. Since we've gotten abundance of time, I don't mind asking if folks are available for that. I'll look for. I'll look for a visual thumbs up if I can. We'll see if I know. I've seen one from Valerie. Great. Seeing one from Nathan. Wonderful. I think I saw one from Eric. Yeah, I think so. Well, does anyone have anything else for the good of the order today? Thank you. Okay. There are some changes to the trustees meetings times for July. I'll go ahead and email that to you, Joel. Oh, good. Thank you. I just had a really good speaker. If you're looking for somebody else to interview, just I just came in my head. Okay. I'm just talking about theaters. The importance of theaters environment. It was a really cool presentation. I could interview. You know, by the Clark Fork. Yeah. The site right by. What's that called? That was the old Milwaukee station. Who took that over? Boone and Crockett. Thank you. There are fever habitats right there. Who is that, Victoria? I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. Well, and you could tell me after. I mean, yeah. Rather than hold everybody. Well, I'll let the two of you connect with that after we adjourn, which I'm otherwise inclined to do at 3:33 PM. Folks, thank you all so much.

Thanks, Haley. You want to do roll call? Yes, sorry. I'm not ignoring you. I'm having issues. Tori? Is Tori not in the room? Not in the room. No. Perfect. Charles? Here. Graham? Here. Vanessa? Here. Julie? Here. Daniel? Here. Also good to meet you all. Tyler? Here. Ann? Here. Lander? Here. Misty? I'm here. Donnie? Oh, I guess I said, well, I'm here, but I guess I said here for Daniel. We swapped. Yeah. Is that okay? Do you prefer to be Daniel? Daniel? No, Donnie would be a good disindiguation tool. Okay, cool. I will, moving forward, I will call roll call by Donnie. Great. Do you have a quorum? Yes. Yes. Yes. Seems like it. Yeah. Okay, moving on. Did everyone get a chance to review the minutes from May 14th? Would anyone like to make a motion to approve the minutes? I will move to approve the minutes from whatever. From May. Yeah, from May. Okay. I'll second that. Okay. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Say aye. And now we move on to public comment on non agenda items. Any public? I don't see any public online. All right. Let's keep it moving then. We have announcements. Okay, we have announcements. All right. All right. We have announcements. I don't see any public online. All right. Let's keep it moving then. We have announcements. We have announcements. Okay. All right. We have announcements. We have announcements. All right. We have announcements. We have announcements. First. Oh, yeah. Landers here. Okay. We have announcements. Hello, everyone. I'm in the car. July and August open OSAC meetings. Yeah, I just wanted to ask everybody what the preferences are for July and August. I'll be out during the time we normally have our August meeting. And so just wanted to check and see if that's okay with everybody. If we plan to do a July meeting, if that July meetings, I know are tough. We don't have, you know, specific projects right now we're voting on where the other project that kind of brick or project is kind of on pause for a minute with five valleys land trust. And so. We've got a lot going on. We don't have anything that we would be taking action on my knowledge. We do have a lot of things that we can continue to discuss and go over. I'll talk about that a little bit later. Nathan and I got some things that we're going to bring up and Tim as well. Any opinions? Yeah, my opinion is that we shouldn't have a meeting unless we have real business. Something real to do. Great. Okay. I'm just saying personally, I'm going to be out of town, but I could join. Since July. No, it's okay. It's July. Okay. We'll plan on skipping unless we have something come up. If five valleys, for example, comes up and says, Hey, we've got a level two. Yeah, we'll plan to schedule one of those. So, which projects are they waiting on? The Koenig Breaker, Patty Canyon conservation easement. Oh, that one. Okay. Yeah. The landowner and five valleys land trust are still discussing terms of the conservation easement. So, that's just kind of on pause for a little while. Okay. Sounds good. Thank you. No July, no August. Unless we have something. Then change. And definitely no August. Is your app. Yeah. And I think. And I appreciate those comments because, you know, Nathan and I were just talking about how we have plenty of things present on. We can, we can do education. We can do, you know, field visits, site visits, but it sounds like the overall consensus is if there's no business that you guys can act on. That's, that's the preference. I think I would write it. It's like there's a discussion or those things in a meeting where there's business. I would have like a full meeting. Right. Rather than a couple of meetings that end early. Okay. If you're not actually working on stuff. Yeah. Right. 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I guess I joined the committee back in like February or something. But to our earlier discussion, this is the first meeting. Well, second one since then, first that I've been able to attend. So yeah, we've my wife Molly and I have lived in Missoula kind of on and off since 2014. And yeah, I mean like like probably all of us here, the open spaces around Missoula meant a lot to us personally and kind of like helped us develop into the people that we are today and helped form the community that we value today. And so I see this as a nice way to get back to that. So professionally, I'm a forest scientist for the North America region of the Nature Conservancy. Before then I worked with the Forest Service Research Station on a lot of the, actually similar to Tyler's work, a little bit on climate change disturbance, wildfire impact on forests and the communities around them. And so in my professional work, I think about land conservation management strategy and decision making on really, really big scale. So I'm excited to think about this stuff on the smaller local scale that we interact with. So I'm excited to see you in the next few years. And I guess we should do a quick round of names as well. I'm Danny. Nathan McLeod, not on the board. I'm Staff Cooper, Associate Director of Planning, Design and Projects. I'm Tyler. Good to see you. You know, we overlapped a little bit at the university. So it didn't make the connection yet that you are joining. So that's great. I'm Tori. I'm Tim DeFors. I'm with the city attorney's office. I'm not usually present at these things, but I'm always available to be present in answering questions. I'm Charles. Nice to meet you. Vanessa. Bopity. Misty. And I'm Anne. Great to meet you all. Okay, so we're switching up our discussion item order, and we're going to start with future updates on OSAC bylaws. All right, I guess I can start on trying to move where you need to, Tim. Sure. I'm going to pass this around. This is existing bylaws. It's in the package, in the packet, I guess, for leading. So the current bylaws were passed back in 2001. They're pretty outdated. They're not really aligning with and fitting as much with our kind of more recent bylaw updates for other committees. For example, they say that OSAC should have 12 committee members when the city ordinance says there should be 11. And so. Oh, I'm asking. That's probably worse than that. So they need, they're kind of outdated. They need to be updated. They're not. They're not terrible. And Tim chime in, but we just feel it's time to make sure they're they're updated. Yeah, it's been over a quarter century since the people review these and updated them. The ordinances that the OSAC operates under have been amended several times since since the bylaws were written. 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I think that that could happen if we wanted it to earlier. Or we can wait till the fall and just get it done then. Just as a reminder, we always. OSAC essentially needs to pass a recommendation on a council. When you get the bylaws the way you want them. So staff's going to take a draft, give it to you guys for review. You guys can make whatever suggestions that you feel like you need to make. And then it's a recommendation to the council. And then the city council actually votes to approve the bylaws. So just kind of like bringing everything up to the. You know, to modern standards and we will be ready to do that pretty soon. So. Yeah, and when the draft is ready to be sent around for input, I mean, really input will be welcome. I'm not sure if there'll be a subcommittee assigned to really take a hard look. You know, the declaration in Venice was was drafted 250 years ago. I think today. And, you know, having that committee who can do the initial work and then provide what they think is best to the whole group is one way to go about things. But ultimately, whatever the group decides for the bylaws to send to council, then then council has as up and down. But, you know, with with those acts recommendation, I've never seen anything put it down accounts in my time. So. So. But yeah, staff is here to kind of get things ready and then then help polish or any advice necessary. But but yeah, that's that's a one ongoing project that that will hopefully happen next couple months. So one way to do it would be for you, both of you to take a look at it and develop the update the language. So it's aligned with everybody else's committees and the way the city works. And then if you identify something that would require our approval, and then maybe we could consider. Maybe it's just an up or down vote of this of this group on something simple, but if it's more complicated, then maybe we form a subcommittee. Yeah, I think we've already we've already created a new draft. Okay, we haven't sent that to you yet, but so procedure to have a meeting where we saw the draft and then a meeting where we vote on it. Not the same meeting. Correct. I think that would be the best. Yeah. Yeah, I forget what the foreign bylaws say about amending the bylaws, but it might not be specific enough, but generally. Yeah, that seems that's for the. Right. Oh, you got it for that. That's it for that topic. It's just it's coming up and we feel like it's an important thing. It's very scandalous right now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We need to get those things fixed. All right. Next, we have a short presentation on open space advisory committee authority and roles. Yes. So this is this is actually. When Zach came to me with hey, we're looking at the OSAC bylaws. And I was like, oh, I've never. I don't know much about the OSAC. Yeah. So so I'm I'm Tim DeForest. The I work in the city attorney's office. There's kind of three civil side attorneys and I'm one of the three. Zach has been speed dial. He has other questions for me all the time. I'm happy to answer them all. But yes, I've been asked for them because when I first looked at the bylaws, I was like, OK, this really touches on a lot of legal things. And here's how I unpacked some of the some of the terms used in our city ordinances that describe what those that does and its duties and powers and that sort of thing. So that's like, hey, maybe we can talk about this at at the OSAC itself. Would you mind coming? So, yeah, absolutely. Happy to do that. But that's that's one when you talk about the good best side. And so break it down between authority duties powers is actually pretty extensive. Somewhat. I mean, like like you do. Yeah, like sighted limitations as well on some things that that that are within OSAC's authority and some that are not. I thought those things and these will help kind of spur ideas, which will help with the review of the bylaws themselves. And the intent here. So actually, you know, I didn't I didn't start with what I want to start with, but thinking all the board members, I we can't do this city local government without people who volunteer their time to sit in and sometimes boring meetings that that don't seem to have a point. And it takes months for anything to happen. But we really appreciate all the citizens who jump on committees and volunteer and and add input, because we can't do this ourselves as staff. We need we need the community input. There's huge value in this committee and then every committee and board and commission that we have with the city. So I did want to thank everyone right off the bat. So so thank you for that. But but back back to my slide here. Yeah. So we have a city attorney's office. We have if you're not familiar, we have a bunch of prosecutors and they they go to municipal court handle the crimes within the city. And then there's just a couple of us who advise the different city departments, look at contracts. We go to court on civil issues. Arbitration. We deal with a wide range of issues. We actually have a picture of a of a Swiss army knife on my on my door because because I do a lot. I'm a good tool for a lot of things. I'm not the best tool for everything. And that's why sometimes we have to retain outside counsel because because we do we do get in over our over our depth. There's only three of us and sometimes we need extra help for specialized projects. But I am the civil side attorney who's assigned to advise parks. My boss is Brian Sudbury. He advised counsel. You see the news sometimes. But but yeah, that's that's what our our department does. We are also, as I say, available to advise boards and commissions, committees and that sort of thing. So if ever there are legal questions or legal issues, we're just a phone call away or happy to attend these things in person as well. Jumping into the OSAC itself. So what what what creates the OSAC? Well, first, Montana state law says cities municipalities can create committees to help them make decisions. And it grants the city to create an open space committee and also defines open space. We have our own other definition, kind of a further definition within our ordinances. But there there's actually a state law definition of open space from those kind of state authorities. So in 1981, the city council created the OSAC itself. And that was kind of the establishment ordinance. And then that ordinance was pretty comprehensive, has been amended several times. And that's the current formulation of the OSAC. It's not exactly as it was originally created, which see from the old bylaws. That's how it looked. But but most of the essential functions and duties haven't changed. But the, you know, that they the OSAC, the open space ordinance is always subject to change by city council. So it would be something that would probably come in front of the committee here for recommendations on how that was going to change for whatever was going to change. Or if you ever have recommendations on changing that that ordinance, that that's something that could be generated here at the committee level as well. So, the municipal code further spells out the membership, the operations, how, how the OSAC functions, what it does, what its duties are, how you advise council. And then we also have another definition of open space within our own ordinances. The, our open space definition is actually a little broader than even the state definition. I'll just, I'll just read real quick because they're worth talking through. Our ordinance is a broad term. It says open space is a broad term intended to track the definition found in state law, generally including parks, trail corridors, green belts or greenhouses, green belts or green waves, conservation lands, riparian areas, and agricultural lands that are provided or preserved for public benefits. So it is a pretty broad term. The, the state definition has kind of four elements to it. Open space land means any land which is provided or preserved for park or recreation purposes, conservation of land or other natural resources, historic or scenic purposes. And the historic thing is not in our own lines. Or assisting the shaping of the character direction and timing of community development. So it's kind of fun. This conceptual thing to think of the historic scenic purposes and assisting in the shaping of the character direction and timing of community development. So some of the, some of the things out there. Obviously. The, the duties. So our ordinance actually states right up front. It shall be the duty. And actually it's a little unusual to, to state a committee's duties. Usually define kind of what it, what it generally does. It's functions. But it says right up front with a lot of shalls, that sort of thing. But shall be the duty of the committee. I don't need to read it to you, but I do want to unpack some of the main terms. And one of the things that the two duties in the OSAC ordinance are. It's about plans. It's about, about open space plans is adopted by city council. Everything kind of revolves around the plans. We have a lot of different plans and Zach and Nathan are the experts on them. All the different plans we have. But that's, that's kind of the focus on how do we implement those plans. The plans that are created in the years, months and months and months long process. How do we then as the OSAC implement those? And it's particularly concerning the acquisition, acquisition of the capital expenditures for improvements every time we're spending open space funds. And then, yeah, every time we're using the, it's called conservation bond funds in the ordinance. But, but that is the term that we use now because it's an older ordinance is open space bond funds. And then the second duty is provide council with written recommendations concerning the acquisition from an end disposal. So that's another another feature we ever had to dispose of open space land. It would go through this committee. But again, you know, all about how this function within the plans that we created. Can I just add in a little bit? The disposal of lands would be. Changing essentially a designation from being designated open space to no longer designated open space. And that that designation is kind of I don't know if you can touch on that, but that's a something we talked a lot about. Right. Yeah. Couple years. Yeah, I have. So I've only been with the city. Two and a half years or so. I have not seen us undesignate in the redesignate anything. It's quite a process under state law. State law actually defines how we would redesignate something that's already been set as open space. And then set as open space into something else. Off the time I had we actually would have to find another suitable piece of property that would kind of swap. And we would say, all right, well, this is going to go to a private developer or whatever in exchange for another suitable piece of property that can be preserved as open space. And that's really the only way to do it. And that's really the only way to do it. Because once once land is open space, it's actually this name is open space by a city. It's pretty it's hard to change. I think on purpose. And I think that's for the best. I think at one point the state legislature recognize it. No, it's super valuable to have green spaces in cities and to have the benefits of parks. And that's why they made it hard to change once once it is set in stone. So, yes. Question. So we did this very thing with White Pine Park, right? And with the acquisition of that new space, part of the deal was that White Pine Park would no longer be open space, correct? Yeah. And it's interesting because White Pine was never designated technically as open space. Oh, OK. Yeah. But it does it does have a restrictive covenant of some kind on it technically, but it's not under our designated open space lands kind of list. The city also has policies around how we dispose of public land, regardless of its open space, park, city, you know, city hall. Like there's other policies that instruct us how we can do that and where the proceeds from that sales that can go. So there's a lot of different threads we can pull out of that. Yeah. With open space in particular, it's, and Tim mentioned that there's a, there's got to be a replacement of the acreage, similar acreage that serves a similar part of the community. But it's also got to be sort of like a public referendum, right? A public process. City council has to vote on some level. There's a couple of different options they can use, but it's not a simple process. It could be done and it has been done probably in their communities. I don't know if we've ever done that as a city. Yeah. I'm not aware of that, but. Yeah. Luckily it's, luckily it's pretty rare. I mean, the process is there in case we ever need it. You know, it's possible that a prime piece of property would be offered up that would be more valuable than the current thing. Maybe it could be swapped, something like that, that there, there are some pros to doing it rather than just, oh, we're getting something to a developer. We might actually be able to acquire something that, that we've always wanted. So, and one more clarification, we have not disposed of like, like, like, yet there's been no action on that. So it is still parking still. Yeah, maybe just one more just for you on that. Just one more comment that. You know, as we did the pros plan, we got a really, we created a really detailed inventory of all our parklands. Right. And it's, it's interesting as we, as we look at development over time, sometimes, you know, in theory, could designate a property as open space. And let's say, for example, a really small, you know, we have, we have some half acre acre, really small parcels, like under conservation easement, or that maybe we're, for some reason, dedicated on some levels of open space. And, and develop developments happen around that space. And maybe it's not, maybe there's like, I don't know, commercial buildings or industrial or something uses around it. And that property may not function for the community as open space, like it should. And so that's, that's why there's this option to be able to dispose of it and replace it with something that functions or benefits the community or the local neighborhood in some way. So I think there's, there's, it's not always a negative thing, but it's something we obviously try to steer clear of unless there's a really compelling reason. I think as part of that referendum process that can be initiated by the public. Like, like, like getting public signatures and getting a certain, I believe, percentage of voters or something. I got to go. Anyway. Yeah. No, but yes, I'm glad we're having this discussion and questions that that's that's part of it. But what I was hoping for today, the last kind of thing for the duties there, there are other two other kind of shalls within the OSAC one days. And one is you shall comply with your bylaws, which once, once I spotted that, I was like, are they compliant with bylaws? And he's like, well, they need to stand on this nature. So, so, so yeah, so we, we shall comply with bylaws, but also on public meetings as well. Right. I don't think there's any problems with doing these things that those are the easy parts. But yeah. All right. And we have these little duties. You can't see it here, but no, I'm sorry, the powers. So the main, the kind of essential function of the OSAC is to call and hold public meetings to review and deliberate on proposals. It's usually about proposals. I mean, there's some other things, bylaws, et cetera, that you can deliberate on. But, but really, proposals concern the acquisition of open space and open space capital improvements. Whenever we're spending money, we're requiring. I, I suppose, you know, the disposal as well. But then the, the quote from the, the ordinance on the powers, you can see here, but I want to unpack. Can hear testimonies financially invite people in to talk about things. It's not just a discussion with the group here. It's staff. You could ask outside people to come in. You can. Yeah. I'm not sure if you can compel testimony like subpoena. Subpoena. I mean, you can, you can use moral authority and bring them in. Uh, you really want to hear some, some from some people, but, but you can always say, hey, let's hear from that landowner. We just get them on the phone, you know, during, during a meeting, like something like that, that people would be happy to, to call in and make some comments about stuff that you're interested in. Uh, but you can require and consider reports. So you can, you don't have staff prepare reports. And, uh, sorry guys. Yeah. Yeah. You can, you can tell these guys. Yeah. We need to report on this. Uh, Monday, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you can, you can require reports, um, uh, that, you know, take onsite visits. I think there was some discussion about, you can do that. You could actually have an OSAC meeting somewhere else and have it on site somewhere. Uh, you know, Moon Randolph and Homestead is there. So I mean, it's potential. Done it. Oh, that's great. Oh man. Yeah. Um, work sessions and, uh, with or without expert assistance. So, so again, uh, if, if you want to bring in guest experts, you have on, on call staff experts who are here. The ordinance does require the city staff to support, uh, the OSAC. And I think they, they do, uh, but, but whatever time you need, um, I think that that's, that's what's available for you. Um, so those, those are the powers and it's actually, um, I think, I think, I think pretty helpful for complying with the duties, uh, the duties, these, what you can do to, uh, in there. Um, excellent. This kind of limitations, um, you know, council, city council is the ultimate authority and everything. We, uh, the OSAC is an advisory board, um, and, and ultimately what you're providing to council is advice. And, um, you know, for, for open space fund use, um, the, as we know, the county county has a part to play and whenever we're expending things, um, uh, as well. Um, so, you know, we're not, we're not, we're not part of the group here. I'm sorry. I keep on saying that, but, uh, the OSAC is, is not, you know, the final authority, but I've never seen council go against the recommendation of OSAC. So, uh, so you are like when that seal of approval, when that goes up in front of council, I think, I think they do listen, uh, very carefully to that. Um, you know, city personnel decisions, park rules, use fees, uh, budget, you know, that's really outside what the OSAC is assigned to do. Um, uh, and then, you know, you can recommend, and as I say, but once late lanes are designated open space, the city staff really kind of take over from there and manage. Um, but you know, recommendations are always welcome, but city staff. You guys know about the conservation lands advisory committee and that, that is an advisory committee related to the management of those properties. Um, and that's, that's actually under parts and recreation advisory board. They're not a direct committee under city council. It's just kind of a side note. It's kind of, it's interesting that you guys, you guys are directly, uh, committee recommending body to city council. And that, and that's why you were invited to see speed the other day. I mean, they, they do listen for sure. So, yeah. Um, thanks. And that's, I think, uh, my, my last slide with this question, if you do have anything, I'm always available to consult on, on anything, usually Zach. Zach, uh, but that's, that was my kind of, here's, here's what, what the law says about OSAC. This, I think it's pretty good. How much, first question, how much time do you, in certain weeks, do you feel like you've spent helping us with projects? Uh, open space related. Um, by 40 hours a week, probably 60 years. Yeah, no, no. I mean, so I, I am also the advisor for like our, uh, the housing authority, the housing authority, and it's whole different skill set. Uh, I advise our human resources department and all sorts of things come up when the city of 600 employees. Um, I, I work with our IT and central services. Uh, but with, and I advise the entire parks department, not, not just open space. Uh, but you know, it's, it's several good quality hours a week that we work together on, on different things. Um, it's a lot of legal things, you know, Zach's predecessor, uh, you know, is a practicing lawyer. And, and there was, I've often advised Zach to go to law school. So, you know, just handle all these things myself, you know, and comes to me with the events, et cetera. But, um, but no, it's, uh, it's, it's all quality work though. And I say it's, it's, it's more, um, uh, satisfying to work with parks issues because I see in the paper that like, we're doing great things. And, and the, what, what Donna started with what Marina is, is caring for is, is really a great park structure around our city. And not all cities to have that. Most of them, most of them terrible about this stuff, but we were pretty good. And so it was very satisfying to, to work in that area to contribute where I can. We're, we're super appreciative, Tim. We lean on him and rely on him a lot. And we've got, you know, a lot of these complex projects and there's, uh, property legal issues. We come across quite often now related to access and ownership and easements and all these different rights and privileges and whatever else that we just don't understand as much as Tim does. And so, some weeks I swear we're just pestering him all week long and he's just so good and, and really digs deep and helps us, you know, complete a lot of those projects. Thank you. Thank you Zach. Sometimes the email comes in and I delete it. Go back to my cleaning files, pull it up. All right. I don't have to answer this. But, uh, good practice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Been there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Any questions for Tim? All right. Thanks for enlightening us. Uh, did this where you were hoping Tyler would speak? Sure. Okay. Tyler. Can I give a little preface real quick? So a lot of this, a lot of this meeting, it was really interesting to hear Tim talk about some of your roles and responsibilities and you know how you can require and request reports or information. And a lot of today's meeting, a lot of these agenda items are centered around some of the questions and requests that the title had. So I just wanted to give Tyler a little bit of time to kind of talk about what he was asking us questions about the last couple months and then we'll go on with the presentation. Cool. Well, thank you, Zach and guys for, for taking, being really responsive and taking so much time and care to, to, to hear what I'm, to, to answer the questions and stuff. So, um, kind of bottom line sort of perspective that I want to bring to the group, and then I'll frame it up a little bit more is that I would love to see what, with the remaining bond dollars that we have before the bond expires. I would love to see us lean into taking a little bit more of a proactive role in identifying and prioritizing projects. And I, and this is, this is my personal perspective, but I just want to lay it out there, is that I would love to see us prioritize projects that are improvements and enhancements to existing, to existing properties and resources. So that's, that's kind of my bottom line perspective that I'm sharing. And just sort of frame that up. I think the last meeting that we had with, with the county was, is, was actually a really great context for sort of what has gotten me thinking about. You know, what is the, what is the authority we have? Like, um, what is the mandate that we have? What is the expectation that the public has of us and of the, and of the department? So, you know, it's kind of clear to me in that last, in the meeting with the county that they operate a little bit differently than us. Um, but we both have sort of this, there's this legacy of how this kind of stuff has worked historically, which is that organizations like five valleys, who are an amazing partner go and identify acquisitions. And then they bring them to the city and the city vets them. And then the city, and then the staff bring them to us. And obviously that has been, you know, hugely successful, you know, as we all know, and why we're here and all of that. And we should be extremely proud of that. I think that, you know, it's helpful to review the, the, the guiding documents, the ordinances and everything to understand. What is the range of the of, of, of roles that we could play? And as I read them, I think that there's, there's an opportunity for us to do more than, than wait for acquisitions to come up. Um, and you know, this was motivated by the last few months where there haven't, you know, or a year really where there haven't been a lot of those things coming up. And that does have inflow. And that's, that totally makes sense. I think that there's, you know, an opportunity in those lulls for this group to work with the city to, to kind of bring the perspective of the public, which is what we're doing is, you know, we're representing the kind of the public interests and how open space stuff plays out. And help, help the staff to kind of think about what, what is important to people? How, how should we spend and could we spend the remaining bond dollars, uh, in ways that are not, is not just acquiring new properties, um, which are just opportunistic and kind of come and go. So, um, I think that there's, so in my reading of the bylaws, it's, it's, it's, it's possible to do that. Um, that's something that we can talk about and get kind of this, you know, consultation around. But I think there's also like an expectation that we, so maybe it's not just allowed, but we actually have a mandate to like, you know, um, I forget exactly the language, which is like, do everything in our power to, to enact the, the post and the open space plan. So like that's, that's a mandate to like do the things in those plans, which are really ambitious, important stuff around, um, you know, making open space serve the, serve the community. So I think there's sort of a mandate there. I think there's a need in that, um, Missoula is, is changing a lot as a community, you know, grown tremendously and. We're becoming more of a city, you know, less of a town and more of a city. And I think that that. Impacts or could impact, maybe should impact the way that we think about our role and the way that we think about open space in the community. There are a lot of folks living in, in the city that, um, interact with open space. Uh, for recreation and for like all these sort of traditional values that we think about around open space, but also interact with open space as they get to work and, and raise their kids and, and sort of perhaps less traditional, more modern uses of. Of open space like trails and things like that. So, so I think there's like a need to really, to think about how we can be strategic in, in the way that we spend the remaining money. So that it's really, um, giving the community a lot of bang for their buck. And I think there's an opportunity to do that in a really visible way where, you know, we talked a lot about the last meeting. We have this anniversary of the bond coming up and we want to show the public that. The, you know, these dollars are being used in a way that enhances their life right now. And I think a lot of folks identify with. Acquiring properties that are outside of town that they, and they, they appreciate those, those values and stuff that that, that that provides. But I think a lot of folks, uh, seem, see, or also want to see value in, you know, things that they can really interact with. Um, so the, the types of things that I have in mind there, like the enhancements that are, that are happening along the river, um, Marshall mountain. Like these, these really big, uh, investments, but that are in, um, the places and, and the pieces of open space that people really interact with a lot and get a ton of value on it. So. That's, that's kind of my spiel. And so I reached out to Zach to ask, like, you know, so I, I have my own, you know, life and experience interacting with open space and things where I'm like, Hey, that'd be cool. And so the goal is not necessarily to be like, how can I go and, you know, fund these projects that I, that I think would be cool, but it's more to say this group collectively has. Tons of knowledge, tons of expertise, tons of lived experience in the community that I think we can bring to the table to help the staff and help the city. You know, prioritize. So, um, yeah, um, we had a little bit of a conversation about it. And then Zach suggested that we kind of bring that to the broader group to sort of see what other people think and, and really dig into what, what would be allowed and what would not be allowed in terms of our. Authority. Okay, thanks Tyler. I think, I think the best way for this conversation to move forward and correct me if I'm wrong here, lead the meeting, however, you feel like we need to, but. I think we're going to have some prison presentation materials that we'd go through and it's really centers along a lot of what Tyler's been bringing up as far as how do we. The city is on how to complete projects and it's not just open space right up the space based on what Tim was telling us as far as definitions can be open space parks trails and anything that fits. Within any of those right and it's pretty broad definition. The city ordinance. Uh, wrong is the definition even more. So, so we've got a lot of processes of work within the city and we thought it'd be nice to kind of go over those processes a little bit first and then at the end, I think it could be that could be a good time for discussion questions. That's okay. Okay. I'm good. Suggestion to potentially this could be an agenda item. Hmm. That is the most appropriate. Well, the, I think the intent here with this presentation is since we haven't listed as a discussion item is that it's okay for it to be a discussion item today. But no action, no action will be taken. So. Thank you for letting me sit in. I'm just going to find out what is going on. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for coming. Do you like to introduce yourself to you real quick? Bruce, I'm B. I sat around this table 30 years ago. I think this group does great things. Bruce, I recognize you when you came in and so I appreciate you introducing yourself and Bruce has quite the history within Missoula Valley in the greater Western Montana for a lot of conservation. Some of our largest conservation projects in the state. So. Thanks for coming. Thank you. Thanks for your work. Thank you. I believe. I believe so. I believe that's the man. Which is. I don't remember correctly. The rattlesnake. Yeah. He's he's a. He's a huge conservationist and it's just. That's so amazing. A lot of the conservation easements around. It's from Montana rattlesnake. Yeah. It's a wilderness area conservation. Little area. But even the rattlesnake wilderness area that was private. He was instrumental in making that all protected itself in space. And yeah. Yeah. He's a big. Big advocate. So it's cool to have him here. Okay. So moving on. I'm going to start out presentation and I'll pass it off to Nathan and then we can have a little bit of a discussion. So Tyler brought up some really key and important topics related to open space advisory committee. And I'll pass it off to Nathan and then we can have a little bit of a discussion. So Tyler brought up some really key and important topics related to open space advisory committee. And I'll pass it off to Nathan and then we can have a little bit of a discussion. So Tyler brought up some really key and important topics related to open space advisory committee. And I'll pass it off to Nathan and then we can have a little bit of a discussion. So Tyler brought up some really key and important topics related to open space advisory committee. kind of authorities and and powers and we've talked to him about this quite a bit. So Tim chime in is as you see fit and it's you know, it's interesting that yes, that first role or I guess is that technically a role or authority. Yeah, duty. I mean, the duties are do everything in the power to implement the plans and then provide written recommendations about these things. So those are the two essential duties. Yeah, and then as you move on to the roles, it talks a lot about betting applications or proposals, right? Yep. Yep. And so that and so we've been talking about that quite a bit and what that means exactly. And so we thought it'd be a good idea to go over some of these planning processes. You know, Tyler mentioned, you know, how do we make sure we're representing the community? How do we make sure we're doing things that are going to help the community and that are really reflecting priorities in the community? We do that largely through planning processes, as you all know. So the open space urban area space plan was a planning process that concluded and the plan was adopted in 2019. That's what you guys obviously work really close to the under. The pros plan was just barely adopted in June of 24. And within that there was a trail typologies document that was an appendix that's also been integrated since in our in our remind me what's called these dance in Missoula standards and specifications bangles. And so these are huge planning processes community wide, the open space plan and pros both utilize this week about survey data. A lot of various public engagement activities and opportunities pros was like 5000 public engagement point, you know, touch points through many different venues. So we so we've done a lot of public engagement, a lot of outreach and really an analysis and taken all of that input and all that data collectively put it into goals and objectives for these plans. And it's funny because pros is really pretty. I don't want to say detail, but we have 380. I'll get to that in a sec 380 recommendations in pros, but these are really robust planning processes. So as you know, the urban area open space plan. Has some pretty specific. I should even say specific pretty concrete priorities for protecting open space includes acre areas and corridors of urban green spaces. You guys have seen the cornerstones that are in the planning has memorized those things. Those are really supposed to be priority areas for more. I would say more traditional open space conservation and protection, right? Huge areas and those we would. Anyway, but that's that's what we're thinking about more traditionally is open space, but there's also these corridors and urban green spaces. There's there's also the mention of river corridors and riparian areas. As ribbons of life. And so you guys have seen projects come through like the capital improvement project. Part 4, river restoration and access. Project was a multimillion dollar improvement of river accesses. And then there's also the trails and urban forestry capital improvement projects. That are pretty widely dispersed around the community to plant trees and roof trail heads. And trails. And trails. And then there's all these acquisitions that you guys have been a part of for so many years. You need to live. Yeah, thanks. So pros resulted in about 380 recommendations. Marina is our new director. Marina Ngocioka, and she has been great. She's picked up the rings that Donna kind of left when she retired. And she's running with she's helping us with. Prioritizing these 380 recommendations. We're going through a process right now that is pretty. Extensive and Charles has helped give us a little bit of input. And Margie was the person recreation board. And we're getting to a point where we're getting close to having some priorities. That have been vetted through that public public process. And. And it is a process. So. A lot of work that's been done there. These are our seven goals with pros. And a huge, you know, 30,000 foot level master plan for the entire community. I think worth pointing out is just the level of community engagement that went into creating the pros plan. And it was really extensive. We have not only do we have a bunch of different listening sessions and stakeholder groups. We also had a statistically balanced survey that mailed out to city and county residents. So like looking at the growth area of the city, which is the post area. And so those that prioritization is also really strongly embedded in community support. It's not just some mark staff sitting in a room thinking this is the project that I look through most. So just wanted to reiterate the level of community engagement that was. Yeah, so prioritization is such a difficult process. And taking the principles and the themes and whittling those down into implementable projects is one of the most difficult things. And some of the themes that were pulled out of pros listed here related to parks, trails and open space planning in particular. And a lot of these, you know, Tyler and I talked about this for quite a while and we went over some of these quite a bit. A lot of what Tyler was talking about is. Is really how do we implement a lot of these things, right? Priority parks on investment areas. Kind of proposed future trails addressing needs of underserved populations. Inward growth and urbanization. This whole 10 minute walk and rolling could be part where we're actually working internally on a new. Updated analysis for that to create something that's more. Detailed than what pros could give us at the time. 10.6 acres of parkland per thousand residents. Maintaining what we have. Thinking about public health and quality of life. Connected green networks and integrated nature. These are all. Extremely important themes and pros that came out of that sense of public engagement process. Where's that 10.6 acres number? That is what our existing system consists of. Okay. And it's funny because our. So that's the current level. It's not current level. And it's a projected goal to continue the current level. Okay. Oh, as as both. Doesn't include. Um, part preserves. But it includes all the other conservation lands and other parks. Parklands. Including linear parks. There's also relationship to national. Right. Isn't there a relationship to that with our national parks and our green association? Yeah, they. Their methodology. They recommend that every community kind of determines what that is for their own community. So there's no set national standard for that. In 2000, when we had our 2004 master plan, it was like 2.6. Since then we've. Cumulated a lot of acreage of open space. And so yeah, now it's now it's up to 10.68. Some communities. We've seen between like 5 and 12 or 15. Some of them have a lot of parkland. We can't compare ourselves to pure cities. Yeah. But those are all things that were. We have higher quality. We have. And so, yeah, now it's up to 10.68. Some communities we've seen between like 5 and 12 or 15. Some of them have a lot of parkland. We did prepare ourselves to peer cities. Yeah. But those are all things that were higher quality. We have, that's right. I think for those 15 numbers, our 10 are better. Yeah. But as you look at this there, you can just see and imagine a lot of gaps, right? These are goals. These are things we're trying to work towards. Other considerations with project prioritization are big picture projects versus projects in certain one area or population. Milwaukee trail MSO, airport corridor is one of those, right? Where it's like, we know that's a long-term regional trail corridor plan. It's going to take a long time to implement. We obviously worry and think a lot about fiscal responsibility, public funding, serving the most people for the least amount of money. And if you remember on the other list, there was, there's a lot about serving underrepresented populations in parts of the community. How do you do that at the same time that you serve the most people for the least amount of money? Is that a requirement that they can stay in for the fund? No, that's not, that's not technically something that we're weighing as criteria as it's just more a principle that we've talked a lot about. And we talked a lot about during the process was, you know, we still need to serve the masses, but we also need to serve underserved populations. How do you do both? How do you prioritize funding? So it's a balance and it's always this give and take. How do we leverage internal and external funding sources? And then a lot of projects about opportunistic. MSO airport, it was an opportunistic project. It's kind of far away from town, but it's $100,000 for 28 acres and 1.5 miles of corridor. So it's like time to jump on it and project also isn't the ranch club part of the city. It is. It's technically the city. I'll get there eventually. But when considering like our high priority investment areas for park lands, it's pretty far outside of that. They already have. They got a lot. Yeah, lower density, you know, this heading is serving most people. It's full. That's serving a pretty small community. Over time, it will grow out. It's a long-term project. That regional trail of the Milwaukee, the Great American Rail Trail. What an incredible opportunity to be able to connect through downtown Missoula and then further out. And if we don't jump on those opportunities when they come, it'll never happen. So that's, I mean, those trail corridors and those trail acquisitions are always piecemeal. Like the Bitterroot Trail, for example, the last section of the Bitterroot was at South Avenue. That was the very last piece at MRL Park. And that was, what, eight years ago when we actually acquired and built that. And so, but we built 40 miles of trail without that little connection. And the Milwaukee's been the same. I mean, we've had the Milwaukee through downtown for a long time. And then through easements and acquisitions over time, we've been able to kind of expand it. And that's what we're continuing to do. It's just, we keep going further out now. So I wanted to turn time over to Nathan. And I asked him to come today because he's our associate director for those projects, the planning efforts, design of all of our parks and trails. And he's just got a really good grasp of what's going on right now because he's managing and he has staff managing all those projects. So I'll turn the time over to him and we can pull the map out whenever you're ready. Yeah, let's look at a map. This is the fun part, right? Look at a map and talk about what we're doing. So I think one thing I want to preface this with, I don't think any of these projects that I'm going to talk about, most of them don't have any open space fund funds. Something to remember because there are a lot of potential funding sources for different types of projects. And one thing that we try to do with staff is we try to balance that and try to understand. There are different maps, by the way. Where are areas that we could save our open space fund funds and use other funding sources? And where are areas that we can't do that? So, you know, one example that Zach and I have been talking about recently is the extension of the Milwaukee across the Clark Fork River to the west, to the Mullen Trail. We have all easements and or land ownership in that corridor. And we've talked about, well, should we potentially look at using open space fund funds to actually fund the design of this corridor? And in that conversation, in the middle of that, we received a multi-county raise grant, which is a federal grant, to actually bring the design of that up to about 30%. And so, if we had gone forward with using local open space fund dollars on that, we may have missed an opportunity to utilize other funding sources and we would reduce our local bottom money. So, those are just kinds of things that we want to think about when we're doing projects, is we want to maximize our local dollars as much as we can. And so, some ways is by leveraging funding and using that funding to leverage. And other ways are saying, you know what, this project has a really good opportunity for other funding sources. And while we really want to do it and we want to do it as soon as possible, we should wait because we can save our local dollars for other projects by doing this with other funding sources, if that makes sense. Okay. So, while we're looking at maps, I want to talk about some fun trail projects. So, the Milwaukee Trail, you all know where the Milwaukee is. Some of our active projects that we have right now that are funded and moving forward, we're doing crack repair on the entire Milwaukee in town. So, that means that we're actually, if you've ridden on it recently, you probably noticed there's cracks and bumps. And so, we're going to cut those sections out where the cracks are and we're going to repave it and fill it. And what this allows us to do is that, A, it preserves the pavement for longer and then we can do an overlay in the future where we actually lay new asphalt over top of it. And it just preserves that surface. It's a much cheaper way of repairing and extending the life of our trail rather than repaving it. That's funded through Transportation Alternatives Grant, which is a federal funding source that's passed down through state government. We also are widening the Milwaukee at the Boone and Crockett property. So, it's between Higgins Avenue, Bear Tracks Bridge, and where the station drive trail kind of comes in at Boone and Crockett. It's the way to get up to Higgins. That's going to be widened to 14 foot width. So, it will match the width that we put in the tool park. That's happening probably next year. We're still working through stuff with the state, but that's also a Transportation Alternatives funded project. Sorry, from Higgins. So, from Bear Tracks Bridge to where? So, it's like Station Drive is probably not detailed enough on this map to really see it. You know where, like, you come down through from Higgins and 3rd Street, and there's that trail that goes down and meets up with the Milwaukee? That's behind Bernice's. Yeah, behind Bernice's. So, where those two trails come together is where we would stop wide. Oh, so just a very short. It's a pretty short section. But an important section. A thousand feet or something. Yeah. But really high easels. Yeah. There's a lot of congestion in that. And we've been working on that for four years. We didn't have a wide enough easement. We got wider easement from Boone and Crockett. That allowed us to apply for funding. We also had to go through right-of-way acquisitions with MDT because they have the bridge. And we had to get permissions to be able to widen the trail under the bridge. So, that's happening. I think it's pretty exciting. Again, it seems like we should be able to do, like, one big, long project. But because there's different property ownership, we're trying to piece it together over time. So, we have applied for similar funding to widen the section of trail on the old Missoulian property. So, that would be 14 feet. We think we're going to get that funding. Hasn't been awarded yet. Again, these are all projects that we could have used open space dollars on. But we knew that there was other ways for us to fund these. So, we're trying to use those funding sources. I mentioned the planning of the Milwaukee from Grove to Mullen. That's in planning design right now. The MSO, purchasing from the MSO. And then future projects on the Milwaukee. So, we're looking at the Milwaukee, the highest. It's the highest use trail we have in our city. And the highest use sections are basically from here to the university. And in particular, from, like, Higgins through the university. Literally has the same amount of traffic volume as Beckwith does. Or 6th and 5th Streets. At certain times, right? And during football games, it's, like, the busiest trail or street in the city. In the city. Yeah. So, we're focusing on, like, that section really needs to be in more capacity for safety. We hear a lot of complaints from people about e-bikes going fast. And the best thing we can do is to widen that and then try and educate you. Can I ask a question about that? Just about, like, volume and stuff. Like, how do you guys think about... So, totally makes sense that that is the only way to get to certain places, like, on game day. But I'm wondering, too, if part of the reason that that's the highest use is because it's the widest. It's in the best shape. So, is there sort of a, like... How do you think about, like, how expanding or enhancing other parts of the network would sort of distribute traffic versus increasing, you know, through flow in that high use zone? Yeah. I mean, I think it depends on where you're trying to go, right? So, if you're trying to go to the university from somewhere that's from the west, you can either use the street system or you can use the trail. Yeah. So, the university is, like, a main destination on that. It's a main destination, for sure. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of commuters going. Sure. But a lot of folks use that trail just to use a trail. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. And so, we're planning for both of that, right? Yeah. But it's all traffic, right? Sure. It's all level of use. So, we need to have a wider trail. Yeah. How about all of that? Tyler, that sort of, like, gets a thought that I had when you were talking earlier. And this is maybe just, like, an idea to hold for later discussion. It's, like, two. One is, like, increasing utilization of underutilized open spaces. So, like, you know, what are the other trails that people aren't taking because they're not up to stuff, right? And having increased use of those. And then the other would be broadening utilization of open spaces that already have high use. So, like, take the, you know, that corridor of river trail and say, like, this already has a ton of use. How do we, like, make sure it can sustain that or grow? Yeah. So, those, I sort of, they seem like two separate sort of pathways. And we are working on both, right? So, I mean, I think the redundant corridor, not redundant, but the other corridor that would maybe function similar to the Milwaukee is Ron's River Trail. And so, we are, we have, and I can talk about this one now. So, through the downtown SAM project, safety, access, and mobility project, which is redoing front and main streets in Higgins, it's also reconstructing Ron's River Trail in Karis Park, East Karis Park, and Best Reef Parks. And so, that it will be a riverfront promenade, which makes it a 16- to 18-foot wide promenade. It's concrete. It's got some decorative elements. So, it actually encourages people to kind of come down there and stay and stroll on the river. But it also functions as a commuter trail as well. So, basically, it's what we did in Karis Park with the trail section there. We'll get expanded to the east and the west as part of that project. That's being funded through a federal grant. And so, that's pretty exciting. So, like, there is local tax dollars going into it, but it's pretty minimal compared to the $20 million that's coming from the federal government. And the riverfront triangle property, since that's going to be developed. Yep. So, the riverfront, exactly. So, along that, now there's not. Yeah, so we're going to expand, extend Ron's River Trail through the riverfront triangle to connect up to Broadway. That would be constructed as part of the riverfront triangle project, which just closed last week. And then we have plans to extend Ron's River Trail along Broadway to connect all the way to California Street Bridge. That's currently not funded. It's in our West Broadway River Corridor master plan. And then we also are looking at extending that trail to the east. And so, there's, the challenge with that is property ownership. And so, we don't have ownership along the river. We have Rattlesnake Creek. We have hotels that are literally on the river. And so, it's challenging for us to actually install trails in those sections. But we are thinking of creative ideas for how we might be able to do that. And we continue to move forward with incrementally with pieces of that. So, we also are working on the Bitterroot Trail. So, we have crack repair happening on that currently. Cory looks thrilled. Yeah. Well, this is even better. So, we also have a transportation alternatives grant application in to overlay the entire Bitterroot. So, after we do the crack repair, we will… That's only in the sitting portion. Yes. Exactly. It's where it really gets easy. I don't know what it's like now this year. But last year, it's like really got crappy global. Yeah. There's… Time is bad. Yes. No, they're paying over all that stuff too. The county's actually got a big product. It was pretty much unusable. Yeah. It's going to be all in surface, city, and county in a couple of years. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. And so, then that also sets us up for future widening of that trail. There's some sections of the Bitterroot that are really narrow. And we know that we need to widen it just for safety purposes. And then, long-term, our goal for the Bitterroot is that we can acquire the entire rail corridor and turn it into a linear park. Yeah. So, imagine that being a linear green space through the entire community that has the trail in it, but also has amenities to support parks. It's in one of our… If you look at the yellow areas of our map, it runs right through one of our high-priority investment areas. They're not using it. They're not using it. And so, we're talking with MRL now, and we've been talking with them. They know that we want to do this, and we're going to continue to talk with them about it. So, that's it in pros. It's still all the way in. It could go all the way. Hamilton. Yeah. And it's pretty great. Right along the river. Yeah. The section of the railroad that goes through, like, the Lee Metcalf would be incredible. Oh, wow. So, yeah. Other trails that we have active projects on were the Silver Park. We've had some issues with the sawdust that's 20 feet down, and that old mill site has settled. And so, we've had some… No. Do you know what it was going to work created? No. So, we have a temporary reroute that we're going to actually officially pave, because the work to actually remove that sawdust is huge. I mean, it's like digging a 30-foot hole. So, we're also doing crack repair on the South Hills Trail, which is over by Wapakia Park, kind of at the base of the hill. We have an active project on Mansion Heights Trail doing crack repair. We just recently completed the Duncan Drive Trailhead. If you guys have seen that, the end of Duncan, there's a new parking lot and trailhead. There's a universal access trail that's going to be installed by city staff that goes around that electrical substation that'll meet universal design standards, so like for slopes and widths and like obstacles, so that folks that have mobility impairments will be able to have somewhere to go get to the creek. We plan to extend the Flynn Trail, which goes along Flynn Lane over by Hellgate School. That's a public works project, and it will be extended north to where, if you look at Flynn, it goes north and then it jogs right before it dives in with West Broadway. That's getting extended. We just recently got an signed MOA with the Cottonwoods Condos up on Grant Creek to widen the easement on their property. That's a section of trail that's in terrible condition with roots heaving that's only five feet wide. It's almost impassable right now. And so we plan to widen and repair that section of trail within the next year or two as part of another public works project. We have new easement for the Grant Creek Trail at a hotel off of the Expressway that's getting constructed. We also have the Grant Creek Trail. Essentially, we're working towards easement and trail design from Expressway all the way up to I-90 on the west side of Grant Creek. And so there would be a whole new two to three mile section of trail that we think will be coming towards us here in the next two to three years. South Avenue Trail is getting repaved as part of the South Avenue Safe Streets project. South Avenue Trail runs through Fort Missoula Regional Park. It's just right along South Ave. So it would be west of Reserve Street. And there's a section of it that's in the county that's in pretty poor condition. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So it just runs this entire line all the way down to Clements. And then it turns on the Clements. Or sorry, this is Clements. All this gets repaired or wiped as part of that project. And that's going to construction next year. Let's see what else. We have multiple trails in the Swip Decane area by Mullen that are part of subdivisions that will be constructed when those subdivisions go. We have a new trail connection at High Park that goes to Simons Drive that's part of a subdivision as well as Parkland Dedication that will connect Simons up to High Park. We are extending Moose Can Gully Trail up all the way to Rhymel Road as part of a subdivision called Wild Route. That's pretty cool. It's going to be like a 10-foot wide gravel trail. In the future, we do have it on our list to repair the trail in Greenough Park where there's routes that have uplifted it and made it kind of hard to navigate. What do I miss? I've been thinking and talking that we didn't include anything from our conservation lines, but our conservation lines folks are working on trails and trailheads all the time and management of the lands. There's just so much work that goes on. There's a lot of projects that are slated, hopefully, over the next several years. They can be pretty big. There's some big ones that Morgan Valiant has talked about, really wanting to do like rerouting the Backbone Trail on Mount Jumbo so that it's actually at a sustainable grade that we can maintain. I know some of the runners might not like that. It's not just you. There's talk of like Waterworks Trail. There's a lot of conflict with dogs and our native flocks that are up there. Are there ways that we can design those trail systems to better support the conservation of those? Can't somebody to enforce these laws. There are. Yeah. That's right. There's a lot of conflict. I know. Maybe while we have time, we could zoom out a little. That is extremely helpful to hear all of that and very exciting stuff. And also really appreciate the comment about being really careful with the open space bond dollars and using that in things that other money can't. What do you see just sort of big picture as like the best way for OSAC to be like filling in the filling in the gaps to get these things done? Or like what do you see as the best way for us to support like your program and vice versa? I mean, I think the way you guys have been, the role you've had has been really supportive. It's really good to have. I mean, you're kind of like the checks and balances, right? So if we have like a Five Valleys comes in and they have a project proposal and we'll just make sure like does it, you know, sniff test, high level, like does it meet these kind of criteria? And then we bring it to OSAC and then you guys get to dig in, really say like, is this, is this, does this meet the intent of, of the, what did you call it? The, when you guys were creating the checklist? Oh, the evaluation criteria. Yeah. So you had another report, but does it meet all of those things? And then I think you have the opportunity to really think creatively about those things too. Like from the private organization perspective, like is this, is this a high priority? Does it leverage funding the way we want to see as we run out of money? Like, are we using our money to the best of our abilities, knowing that we have a lot of other stuff that we want to do? Yeah. I have a question. One of the things we've been like in the saving money for is the bridge over the, um, river along the Milwaukee trail. That seems like something that, I mean, I assume that we'll get funding from other places for that as well. Because we don't have nobody to come and call for it. Yeah. That's the hope. Because that seems like one that could get funding from various things. Well, it's going to be like a nine-way dollar project. Yeah. It's going to have to. But that's, that's a, it's a, yeah. But it's expensive. So, but the nice thing about having open space bond funds is that we can use that for leverage. So a lot of the grants that we get require a match of some sort. Land water conservation requires a 50% match, which is pretty high. Which, honestly, we're actually in a good position because we have, um, communities, supports parks and trails that we're willing to commit to that. Whereas a lot of other communities have a hard time coming up with those 50% of a match. And so we can go out for bigger projects because of that. Like, um, like Park on North Scott, we have, we got an LWCF grant for the county just got LWCF for Marshall Mountain. And so an open space bond was a match for that. Um, so being able to leverage our local dollars for federal grant opportunities is really cool. And it's, I mean, it's an opportunity, right? Yeah. And you bring up a super interesting point that we've talked about before. You know, you could easily expend the remainder $2.7, $2.25 million of trail, the trail bucket to, to leverage those funds for that section of the trail and you'd be done. Open space bond fund would probably be gone. Right. And that, and that's always that, like, that's, that's, that's the thing that we kind of struggle with the staff and that we're always trying to analyze and think through. And that's why we're going through this prioritization process with our new director is how do we make some of those big decisions and recommendations? We could come to you guys with a big, with a $2 million request for some of that stuff. And you as a committee might, might talk about it and say, you know, no, we feel like we really feel like this money should be used for some of these other things. We don't think this is the priority. And that, and that's a really important role. Also, also just throwing out there that, like, in our park board meeting, the other parks and rec advisory board meeting, we had a resident come and suggest a parcel for a park acquisition. And it's been interesting to talk about that a little bit because the idea is a really good idea and it's in our, one of our priority investment areas, but there's so many details and intricacies. With working with private property owners and working with through all those processes, we don't even know if it's going to be a little bit. It's available for acquisition. And, you know, there's just all these things that come up and it's just, it's just this constant dance. And so I don't know, like that, that's something that we're working through right now. We've got, I mean, a whole list of open space projects that we're working, that we're prioritizing internally. That's just not quite the right time yet for them. Property owners aren't ready. We just feel like there's other priorities with these investment areas. Nathan mentioned all the crazy projects that are going on throughout the community. Sometimes it's not black and white. So I think it's a good, I just think it's a really good topic to be discussing. Yeah. Oh, thanks, Haley. Blander. So another question. Can you all hear me? Oh, yes. Yeah. Can you all hear me? Sorry, I'm driving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Cool. I just wanted to chime in and generally, like, echo some of what was being said here. Like, I think, you know, there's probably a mix of, like, what Tyler is suggesting overall, and, like, bringing priorities from what we're hearing in the community to the table, et cetera. But I do think, and I really, really appreciate Nathan's presentation here. Like, I think that was incredibly helpful to be reminded of some of those things and, like, see where a lot of these other funds are getting leveraged. And, like, I think kind of trusting in the, like, city's process. And I'm really interested to hear, like, where this prioritization effort goes. Like, a lot of expertise is obviously being used for that from staff, from other resources, et cetera. And, like, I wouldn't want us to expand things too quickly on a bunch of little projects when we could have, you know, a very high-impact project, potentially the bridge that goes over and connects that. That seems like a really big thing that we should consider if it's something on the horizon. So just wanted to voice that and voice, you know, support for our current system and kind of mixing that maybe with what Tyler is suggesting. I have another just sort of trying to tie all of these different ideas. And I guess in my experience, it often feels like the city, you guys do such an amazing job of, like, putting together these projects. And you hand it to them with a bow on it, that you've done all the work and all of the pieces are in place, that it meets all the criteria. But I think moving forward as we're dealing with reduced funds, is there a way to be, you know, as you guys get through your prioritization process to keep us more informed about some of the ones that are in the works that aren't quite ready, even for, like, a level one presentation. But to get us thinking about all of the different projects that are in the work and what, like, what we think you guys could be investing your time and resources into so that none of us are in a position where we're like, oh, well, they did all of this work. Maybe, you know, maybe we should just say yes, even though we might not want to, you know? It's a good question. And it's some of those projects are really confidential because, you know, private property owners, we respect their, obviously, their right to sell or not sell to us or to donate or not. So a lot of the early conversations, we're pretty sensitive. And so we do hold those pretty close. But there's some that may be, like, more public partnerships of some kind or that's a good question. It's really hard at those beginning stages because we just don't know. Capital improvements are a little easier. I mean, we definitely have an idea of pretty far out, like when we want to invest dollars to repair or build things. And a lot of that's in post already. I mean, a lot of those ideas are already there. But I think, you know, hearing the opinions about what this group values is helpful in a lot of ways. And like, you know, Tyler, you know, coming to me and talking to me about projects, this other resident talking to us about projects, you guys, I think, while you may not have a role of, like, prioritizing, you know, our comprehensive plans at that level, I'm trying to think of how to say it out the right way, individual input or even just a representative of, almost like on some level, like, this gets a little sticky because if you meet any time as a committee, as more than half the committee members, and you start talking about recommendations, then it's committee, it's technically a meeting. And we have to make sure those meetings are public. And so that's why we try to have these conversations as a committee. If it's less than, you know, a quorum, and you're talking and you have ideas that you want to share with staff, I don't think there's any issues with that from my perspective. And I think it's, sometimes it's really helpful to hear about some of those thoughts and ideas. And they can make that into kind of our prioritization processes. Is there anything else you want to think about that? Or Charles, you raised your hand and you've got a real good perspective on... Well, like, just on your last point, I mean, I occasionally hear in the community about a parcel that could possibly become open space. So I contact Zach and he works through it. It doesn't come up into this committee because it's not public knowledge yet. It's not ready to be discussed in the committee. So I feel like that kind of process works really well. And I've seen that. I think I started in 2018 on the Open Space Advisory Committee. So I've been watching this for a while. And as a conservation planner, one of the gaps I immediately saw was like, where's the prioritization system? And how do we input into that? Exactly what you're saying. And then we came, then we had the 2019 Open Space Plan where there were priorities. So that was great. We had the cornerstones and those other, the anchor areas, et cetera. And I've had this discussion with now three different people that have been in Zach's position. And Zach's one of those three about how can we further improve that. And then the PROST system came along, which added another level on top of that. And I've just seen over the years that this idea of being opportunistic is the best way to move forward. So I'm, I like, I give you guys and gals and everyone in Parks and Rec Department, huge kudos. You have my full trust to think these things through and balance them against everything else that's going on and then bring it to us when it's, when it's ready. So I'm personally quite comfortable with how this whole thing works. I also think going forward in terms of leveraging, most of the stuff that we do, that we've funded, it's, I was just thinking this bridge project, for some reason, this sticks in my brain, has something that you can get funding from individuals will contribute to help build this bridge, I think. In the community, they might give money to an organization, a nonprofit that you can partner with that could help funnel money to this bridge project. And so it's not just OSAC and the city and a grant, because people want to see this out. And a lot of the stuff that we invest in, like the river, the improvements or, or buying, you know, an easement or, you know, buying open space, it's not really something, you know, people are doing it with their tax dollars and it's part of the thing. This is kind of above and beyond. In my opinion. I don't know. Thoughts? I'm just thinking about marketing. So we've definitely done like capital campaigns for projects. Yeah, that's what I think would be. Westside Park, for example, was one. We had a multi-year, two-and-a-half-year capital campaign where we partnered with the North Missoula Community Development Corporation to, they would manage that capital campaign. They wrote grants. They got private donations. They did bake sales. They did all the stuff, right? Right. The PTA contributed. And that groundwork that they did, while the money that the private donation side of things was pretty small in the grand scheme of the $3 million project, it allowed us to say, hey, this has a ton of support. Look, there's like kids out there selling brownies. And now the community owns that. And the community. And we got a million dollar Washington Corporation Foundation grant. And we got an LWCF grant. We were able to build one of the nicest playgrounds in the city, right? But it all started with those like grassroots efforts. And so I think that that is something that is really valuable. And it's not necessarily the tangible amount of money that you can raise. It's the process of showing that you have this like really strong robust community. Right. So I think the rails to trails, the Milwaukee Trail, I think it's just something people can really picture. Yeah. It's also a lot of work. Yeah. And so like that's where we when we partner with other organizations and we have Friends of Missoula Parks is our 501c3 partner for those kinds of things. And they do a lot of that. Marshall Mountain is another example where that was there was Friends of Marshall Mountain did a lot of that. Right. And they were instrumental in getting us enough money to be able to get an LWCF grant and acquire the properties and fund the master plan. So, yeah. That's a cool thing, you know. Yeah. The money's not huge, but it gets people talking about the things and using it. Missy's point has been sticking in my head in terms of somehow making more visible the opportunity cost, because I think that's really where your perspective is coming from. And I appreciate you raising it, where so much of this is happening behind the scenes. It doesn't feel like there are things that we need to be waiting, but we feel like we're hanging on to money for some unknown purpose. And that's a really hard thing to reckon with. And I think, for me, I've made peace with, like, there will be an excellent project. We just have to wait for it. There will be a Marshall Mountain or something. But if we can see a little more of the pipeline, that might help us keep in perspective that, like, yes, there's a great development project, but this pot of money shouldn't really go towards those big fish, big ticket items. I think the city does that. We just don't know what this building will be. Yeah. You could give us, like, a taser pipeline, where you just sort of fuzz out the real space. You know, I think in principle and by project, we could on some level. I think Nathan and I could put our heads together. Because, like, for example, this River Trail, Riverside Trail, and some of the Rogers River Trail, some of the Milwaukee connections. And, you know, now that we're getting into our investment priority investment areas, generalizing where we're kind of thinking that those city-initiated applications could come from, that may be really interesting and sounds like that would be helpful. When it comes to the opportunistic stuff, those are pretty sensitive. And you can, you know, you can definitely, as staff, we could compromise that trust if we're not careful. But I think on principle, the staff-initiated stuff that we've talked about a little bit, how to prioritize that. And admittedly, like, we are working through that process with Marina right now to try to help us understand what those priorities are. And so we're, but we have some obvious ones. So that could be a, I think we could do something like that. I mean, maybe even just something as you're, you know, I'm assuming that when you guys finish your prioritization process, that that will get conveyed to us at some point. And, you know, just, you know, get blocked. We do have things in the pipeline, these buckets. But to just, I don't know, you know, don't have to say when, where, any of those kind of specifics. But, like, there is stuff in the works out there that makes us feel a little bit like, okay. So, like, the MRL land through town, is that something that we're going to have to buy? Or is it, are we hoping that it's... I don't know. I'm not, we don't know yet. Yeah, it's, it's quite a bit of property. It's quite a bit of property. Yep. It, it really depends. I mean, if it's, it's right of way, it's railroad right of way. And so a lot of times when they, they actually vacated and it just goes to the adjacent property owners, which we're trying to avoid that happening. That's what happened with the Milwaukee, right? It's vacated and then all, and then now we're spending a billion dollars buying it back across the country. Like, literally. Yeah. So we're trying to avoid that happening, but it may be that they don't want to get rid of the right of way because maybe someday light rail is actually a viable option for them from the bitter. But in the inner of the coast. And we haven't a spark for the next 40 years until there's enough people living here to support light rail. Right. So, so, so, yeah, we have to give them an incentive to keep easement, but if there's not. There's multiple ways to. If there's not a train on it, can the easement still exist? So our, we currently have a license agreement for the bitter trail on, it's on our own property, on their right of way. And that was, we did not have to pay for that. But I don't know. We want all the property. I'm just saying there's multiple ways it could go and it's too early for us to. Because that's like the part of Missoula that really doesn't have our little parks. And it would be just great to have a whole green space going through there. To have a lot more people. Yeah. Yeah, that's super high priority and pros. And there's, there's other agencies and organizations that we're working with. And so we're. Partnering with them and kind of following some of their, you know, some of our city administration leads. On that in particular, because there's already connections and conversations. So we're, we're kind of in a balance there as well right now. So that's not one that I'm, at this point, I'm not actively approaching MRL. Because that's something that's, it's a city administration level. But it's a high priority for everybody. But I love this feedback. I think I like the idea. I think that's something that we could work on. Work on doing. Work on doing. Kind of give some primers a little bit, a little bit more. Give you a little peek here and there. And you guys may know somebody or know something that we don't. Don't. On those projects with those properties and you might be able to. Give us a few ideas and it might, it might be a good thing. Pass it a list of part projects. I got to take out, but we're 20 minutes over. So maybe we better save that for our next meeting. Send them to us. But yeah, I'd love to see. Just email it. Can we, could we, could that be done? Yeah. Can we get an email of all the projects? That includes the list? Yeah, we can. Haley, we can post them with the minutes, right? Yeah, as long as I'm just in public, I don't. Yeah. Just send it to me. Also, the presentation that, the presentation you gave was not in the agenda. Right. Right. That'll be posted as well. Okay. Thank you. She said, but. So are we adjourning then? Okay. Right. Yeah. Really appreciate it. Yeah, of course. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you. Bye. Very good discussions. I think that was good. Thanks, Tyler. Yeah. No, thanks to everybody for getting into the discussion. Yeah. Please. I hope this is not criticizing, critiquing, anything whatsoever. No, I don't take it to me at all.

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And our hope is to work really closely with Sarah and the folks that she hires to determine really effective referral pathways and flows from the system that already exists in Missoula to make sure that we're paying attention to that transition moment. It's really easy to lose connection with someone when they jump from one service provider to the next during a transition. And so we want to work closely with them to make sure that their team is integrated into the system such that they can connect with someone as they're making the transition and support them through that and then ongoing. But I'll let you speak to more of the specifics there. That was beautifully said. Good. Is that better? Yes. Yeah. Well, first of all, I don 't think any of you have my yet. And I'm Sarah. And I'm doing this work with Julie McF arland, who I believe a lot of you probably know at this point. But basically how this will all roll is I will right now I am gathering information. Like I'm working and connecting with all nations and partners and Hope Rescue Mission and just trying to understand how the organizations work. And then at the same time, we'll be hiring that lead, as Emily said. And that lead is in theory within one and definitely within two years. Like we will have two to three peer specialists is our goal and then grow from there. I'm also at this time looking and discussing with Medicaid experts other ways we can pull leads in through other orgs or if it's something that through our collective that we can actually sustain on our end and have Medicaid through. That is longer term. But speaking to sustainability, we do want that. So yeah, right now is truly I am gathering info and learning from everyone. So whoever you can direct me to, the better. And could you just say your full name for the record? Yeah, it's Sarah Kauk. Wonderful. Thank you. Okay. Any, any other questions for Emily or for our providers who are here? Not seeing any raised hands. Cheryl? Cheryl? Well, I just, I'd like to invite, you were going to add something and I thought I... I just wanted to quickly address the sustainability piece. I'm Becca Goh and I really appreciate building sustainability into projects. And I think probably most of you in this room are aware of the community engagement requirements that will go into effect for Medicaid on July 1st, which is our primary fund er for this work. So we do expect to see a big decrease in what is, who is insurance and just some administrative barriers to people to maintaining their insurance, which will likely affect kind of the reimbursement rates we are able to get for ten ancy support, but also for related behavioral health and medical support. So as we are thinking about sustainability beyond two years, I would just really want to throw that out. So that caution out there. There's big changes right now in our health insurance environment that is going to affect this type of work. And we are really excited to be partnering with you all on this service and anticipate that to keep doing all of this work effectively will need to be some sort of public-pri vate partnership. Thank you. Thanks. And yeah, we were going to capture in public comment, but if folks want to come up now and comment. And I am, yeah, super aware of the fact that we love for everything to be self-sustaining in the long run. We're also in a rapidly changing landscape. So you know what? We do the best we can. So you know what? We do the best we can using the tools that we have. And I just, it was a, it was a, it was a component of this grant that we have that. Okay. I tell you what, I'm, we're going to, I don't see any other hands raised for questions. We'll go to a motion and then we open it up to public comment. So then if any of the service providers want to provide more info, the floor will be yours, but I'm looking for a motion. Ms. Cheryl. I'm happy to make the recommended motion and I'd like to speak to it when the time is appropriate. Great. Thank you. That motion is in order and it's on the floor. So we will take public comment now on the motion. So if you'd love to hear more from any of the service providers, if you want to come up and provide any more information, but, um, otherwise we're good and I'm not seeing any raised hands online. So I will go to you, Ms. Cheryl for comments. Yeah. Thanks. I appreciate. Um, I just want to say that I appreciate, uh, the work that you guys did going in trying to, trying to filter through all the applications. Um, and also just, uh, knowing that we filtered through a lot of applications to get it down, you know, to kind of start, start getting this money distributed. So I appreciate the service providers being here and for the work that they do for our community. And I just want to reiterate that, you know, as we were looking through the applications at a higher level before it got down to, got down to these that, um, I mean, the need is so incredibly severe. It is like a drop of water in the ocean is the amount of money that it feels like we got, um, for remediation. I know there is, there's hopes that there will be, um, more money coming in the future, but, uh, you know, the, the level of harm that, that these companies did to our, our country is just absolutely, um, astounding. So I'm glad we're getting some of the money out and thanks everyone for their work. Thank you for those comments. I, I would echo all of that. And, um, this was a, a complicated grant scoring process. Like I said, I've sat on many grant committees before and what, we just kept coming back and talking and talking and talking, I think because it's such a big complicated issue. Um, but I'm really happy with where it wound up eventually, which is really targeting by having three sub grantees targeting some certain populations, um, families exiting Meadowlark to get them stabilized. And then folks exiting watershed navigation center to get, hopefully them sustained in housing. Um, and then having the housing stability collective, that's a little bit, a little bit broader reaching. And, um, to kind of figure out where the gaps are, how can we fill those gaps in? How can we make those connections? So it's a, I would just call it a multifaceted approach. I guess that's how I'd summarize it. And I, I think, yeah, I'm really curious to see what the results are. So thank you guys all for applying. I wish there was a lot more money, but we, we agonized over it and did the best we could. Um, any other comments from council on this item? All right, then we will take a roll call vote, please. Zoe. Sarah. Yes. Campbell. Yes. Krask. Yes. Jones. Yes. Jordan. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Anton. Yes. Savage. Yes. Cheryl. Yes. The motion passes. Thank you. That can go into the consent agenda. And thank you to all of the providers who came down today. And, um, forward to seeing how it goes. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. All right. Last item on our agenda today is the item 3.4 retail cannabis dispensaries, business licenses. Um, so I know staff will present. This is a topic we've covered before. A couple, two years ago, we hit a business license pause on cannabis dispensaries, recreational dispensaries in Missoula. So, um, um, I'm going to turn it over to staff to, um, provide the history and what we're doing today. Good afternoon. Erin Payton with CPDI. We have, uh, our permit and business license manager, Maggie McCarthy online, and she's going to frame the topic for us and provide a bit of information. And then Patrick and I are available to answer questions. Thank you, Erin. Thank you, counselor Jones and members of the committee for the record . My name is Maggie McCarthy. I'm the permits and business license manager with community planning, development, and innovation. I'm presenting a proposed amendment that extends the city's existing cannabis dispensary prohibition and makes one targeted change. Ordinance three, seven, four, eight established a temporary prohibition on issuing business licenses for new adult use, recreational cannabis dispensaries. And committed the city to revisiting that prohibition after additional regulatory review. The extension on prohibition of dispensaries aligns the city's timeline with the state of Montana's moratorium on new cannabis licenses, which now extends to July one, 2027. The extension would also give the city more time to implement and evaluate title 22, especially how the new zoning standards can affect dispens ary location, concentration, concentration, and non-conforming uses. The proposed amendment does not open the door to new disp ensary licenses or additional dispensary locations. What it does is allow an existing city of Missoula licensed dispensary to relocate, provided the change in location complies with title 22 and applicable building code and other local code requirements. Staff sees this as a practical adjustment that would maintain the direction of limiting new dispensary growth while avoiding unintended consequences for existing licensed businesses. We've heard some businesses describe predatory lease or commercial rental pressure. And so relocation would help support them or prevent that allowing relocation to compliant areas may reduce existing non-conformities and support a more appropriate distribution of dispensary locations over time. Staff recommend approval so that the city can maintain the prohibition, align with the state timeline, and continue evaluating whether any additional regulations are needed. In summary, the attached documents, and I'm happy to answer any questions. Great. Thank you for that, Maggie. And I really like your avatar that you had on before. Very cute. So, and maybe this is a question for Patrick, our city attorney. Am I getting your name right? We haven't really met before. Yes, Patrick Lowney from the city attorney's office. Wonderful. Thank you. Can you just discuss a little bit the state moratorium and how that interacts with our city business license pause? Because that's part of this discussion is the fact that since the moratorium is still in place, that is impacting our decisions. Yeah. I don't know that it directly interacts with, you know, in a legal sense, the state kind of has their purview and then the city has its. The state is in charge of things like licensing, growing, and the quality of the product, I guess, whereas the city's ordinance is related to a business license, which is more on the zoning and other structural compliance . But one thing that this change does is it more closely ad heres to the state's, moratorium, which similar to the city's, um, freezes the footprint. This is the way the state refers to it. Um, but it does allow movement within existing businesses. Yeah. And I think, oh, yeah, I just wanted to add one clarity, clarifying piece of information. We have been asked by folks, um, if the state has a moratorium, why does the city need a moratorium? And I think it's important to note that the state licenses on a statewide basis. And so if you hold a license in great falls, there's nothing preventing you from, um, moving to Missoula and opening up a store with that license . And so what our local moratorium does is it prevents new license, recreational cannabis, cannabis businesses within city limits, regardless of whether they already have a state license or not. Great. Thank you for that. Okay. Um, I've got some hands raised here. So Mr. Campbell. Thank you, ma'am chair. I'm just curious, uh, where we got the, uh, two year sunset clause from, I read somewhere in here about your sunset on this. So the prior moratorium also had a two year sunset clause. Um, what we feel like this two year gives us is, um, some time essentially to see what the state is going to do in regards to this. So the state's expanded moratorium goes through, I believe June 30th of 2027. So it gives us some time to figure out what any new state approach to regulation looks like. Um, and it also allows us a bit more time to research other regulatory approaches we could take within the city of Missoula. We did add additional regulatory standards through title 22 . We expanded buffers. We added, um, adjacencies that, uh, we're not allowed things like youth serving facilities as opposed to just schools, substance abuse treatment facilities. Um, and we also have tools under title five, our business licensing. We have additional regulatory approaches we could take too. So this gives us some time to further research that. Do you have any more questions? No. No. Okay. Did anyone else have questions on this? Um, and staff could also speak to the fact, I think that we are public health recommendations for a city of our size. We should have anywhere between eight to 12, 15. And what is our current count on active licensed recreational dispensaries? Yeah. So it looks like our current count is around 54 dispens aries. I did want to note to some, some folks that asked questions about the statistics and the whereas statements of the ordinance. We did reach out to public health and I did just, um, hear back from them later in the day yesterday. So we weren't able to make any changes to the document. Um, but they did confirm that all of the statistics, um, especially as it relates to impacts and impacts on youth, um, are the same. And, and we may see some updates to those later this fall, but the one statistic that has changed as it looks like Missoula is no longer kind of the largest per capita of licensed, um, cannabis, recreational cannabis dispensaries. Um, we currently have around 54 city, of Bozeman, according to the Montana department of revenues, cannabis and alcohol regulation division list, um, currently has 74. And so that, that could be viewed as evidence that our local moratorium, um, has worked in limiting growth cities that don't have that moratorium in place have continued to see that growth. Thank you for that. And that is per capita across the United States, not just Montana. Like you're literally in that category. Yes. Yep. We, we don't hold that top spot anymore, thankfully, but I think we're still in that realm. Yep. Thank you for the information. Okay. Any other questions from council? Not seeing any raised hands. Mr. Mr. Mr. Campbell. Mr. Campbell. Happy make recommended motion. Thank you for that. Um, that motion is in order. Is there any public comment on the oceans on the motion? I think we just have journalists in the audience today. That's it. Although you are public, you can always provide comment. They're shaking their heads. No. Um, okay. So I am not seeing anyone online wanting to provide comment . So any comments from council? Seeing no comments. We'll take a roll call vote. Becerra. Yes. Campbell. Yes. Krask. Yes. Jones. Yes. Jordan. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Fonten. Yes. Savage. Yes. Carol. Yes. The motion passes. Thank you. That can go onto the consent agenda also. And I believe that is the end of our agenda. So thank you everyone. Thank you staff. Appreciate it. We will stand adjourned. Thank you.

6:02 PM. Before we get started with the agenda, if you'll join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, please. Thank you very much. We do have minutes from June 1st, 2000 . Oh, excuse me, before I go there. I'm sorry, Ms. Trimble. Roll call, please. Roll call . Thank you. Beginning with Anderson. Present. Sarah. Present. Campbell. Here. Grask. Present. Jones. Present. Jordan. Present. McCoy. Here. Melson. Present. Nugent. Present. Ponton. Present. Savage. Absent. And Cheryl. Present. We do have a quorum. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Now we can take a look at those minutes from June 1st, 2026. Do any council members have any questions or suggested changes? Not seeing any, then those minutes will remain as submitted . Thank you. Next up, we have agenda item number three, which is our committee meeting schedule for this coming Wednesday, June 10th. My goodness. It's a full committee schedule this Wednesday. Any changes or updates of note, Ms. Trimble? Unfortunately not. Still a long day. Okay. Nothing's been taken off the agenda. If folks are curious what's on the committee schedule for June 10th, that all committees and the agenda and agenda items are located on the City of Missoula City Council meeting agenda webpage. So next up, we have our special presentations and proclam ations. We're going to start with a leadership team report from the Rose Park neighborhood council. So come on up. That microphone can be adjusted. You can pull it down or however you need to. So we can make sure we hear from you. I'll go ahead and turn on the microphone now. Okay, great. Thank you. I'm Audrey Hayes. I've been before you several times. So they refuse to elect anyone else to come. So the city of Missoula's Rose Park neighborhood rain garden received two separate grant awards $50,000 from the DNRC's Western Montana Conservation Commission and $6,000 from the Missoula neighborhood's Energize Your Neighborhood Grant. That grant program. That grant program. The team is excited about the funding for this project and looks forward to working with the city and other partners to bring the neighborhood rain garden to life. The annual Rose Park general meeting will be held on August 12th from 6 to 8 p.m . In Rose Park. There will be free ice cream tables hosted by various city departments, a raffle and informational updates on the Slant Street Gateway and the Memorial Rose Garden. The Rose Park neighborhood leadership council is collecting responses through a survey to help the team develop a neighborhood action plan that will guide priorities for the next several years. This survey will help identify issues, opportunities and improvements that matter to the most to Rose Park neighbors neighbors who complete the survey will be entered into a r affle for a chance to win one of $250 gift cards to either B askin and Robbins or Dairy Queen and the winners will be announced in August. Are there any questions? Any questions for Miss Hayes? Yes, Councillor Jones, please . First of all, thank you for your service and I appreciate all it's a very active leadership council and I appreciate that. And could you state the date again of the general meeting? August 12th. August 12th. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. All right, Miss Hayes. Thank you very much. We really appreciate your commitment to your neighborhood and to the community. Thank you very much for your participation with the neighborhood council. Thanks for coming down tonight. Nice to see you both. Thank you. All right, that wraps up our neighborhood council updates for the evening. So we'll move on to one proclamation. We 've got one proclamation this evening and it is in regards to wildfire smoke ready week. So we'll go ahead and share that on screen. This is a pro clamation in conjunction with Missoula County. Whereas wildfire smoke poses a serious and growing threat to public health and new research demonstrates the dangers of smoke exposure. Wildfire smoke can easily infiltrate indoor spaces, creating unhealthy conditions, both outdoors and indoors. And whereas exposure to wildfire smoke is linked to wors ened asthma attacks, decreased lung function, aggregate aggravated COPD symptoms, increased susceptibility to infectious diseases, increased risk of heart attacks and strokes, impaired cognitive function and higher rates of hospitalizations and deaths. And whereas the national interagency fire. And whereas the National Interagency Fire Centers outlook for 2026 forecast significant wildfire potential across much of the western United States, including regions that contribute smoke to our area. And whereas the Climate Ready Missoula plan recognizes that our summers and early fall are becoming hotter and drier. Wildfire season is getting longer. Wildfire smoke is an increasing risk. And we need to enact proactive strategies to reduce harm. And whereas Missoula Public Health and Climate Support Miss oula have resources to help residents understand wildfire smoke risks and take steps to reduce exposure, including guidance on creating indoor air filters and finding places with clean air. And whereas effective public health and climate, and whereas effective public messaging and outreach focused on the dangers of wildfire smoke and how individuals can protect themselves are essential for individual preparedness during wildfire season. Therefore, be it resolved, we Missoula County and the City of Missoula do hereby proclaim June 8 through 13, 2026 as wildfire smoke ready week. And we are joined by Amy Sullenberg, who is the executive director of Climate Smart Missoula to share a few words about the efforts behind this partnership and and all the efforts that Climate Smart Missoula is making. Amy, thank you. Thank you, Andrea. Andrea. Yes, Amy Sullenberg with Climate Smart Missoula. And I won't speak to all our efforts because you guys have a meeting. So just speak to this proclamation. Yeah, this is I think our sixth annual wildfire smoke ready week is something we started with Missoula Public Health and a number of partner groups that came out of our climate ready resilience planning efforts. So there's a working group, a lot of people joined together and usually do it in July when it's just starting to get hot. But this year, around the state, there are efforts to have a wildfire smoke ready week. So we decided to join in with folks up in the Flathead and Lincoln County and the even the state in Helena, the governor has also declared this week wildfire smoke ready week. So it's an increasing concern and issue, you know, not just in our valley where smoke tends to pull but across the state. So what it really means is that it's an opportunity for folks to just get the for us to help with Missoula Public Health get the word out on not just the risks, but also what folks can do. It's pretty easy to get a HEPA air cleaner or a box fan filter and have a way to filter your indoor air. It's a little harder for businesses and commercial buildings. It's not as simple as just replacing a filter that can capture the dangerous parts of wildfire smoke. So one reason to start early is we can get the word out and some of those folks may need to call an HVAC technician or really schedule some time to look at their filtration system and make sure that it is ready to go if we get smoke . We know that it has rained recently. We know that it has rained recently. There's a little more soil in moisture. Some of the early projections for our at least mid summer have maybe eased a bit. But as we know, we get smoke from California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, BC. It comes into our valleys and those locations are quite dry . So we are concerned and we want to be ready. And so we're just here giving the word out. We will have folks tabling at the Missoula Public Library the rest of this week, I think, except for Friday. And then we'll be at the farmers markets sharing information. There's things on Montana. What there's information on Montana wildfire smoke.org, which is the page, a whole website that we keep up with Missoula Public Health. So lots of ways to get resources. You might hear things on the radio or social media just helping people know that this is the time to start thinking ahead. And then what I really just wanted to mention, in addition to just being out and about and helping people understand that there are, again, things you can do to get ready for smoke season. We are having an event tomorrow evening at the Missoula Public Library to just get a picture of the outlook for the 2026 wildfire and smoke season. So we have four different panelists. And what's neat about it is Flathead is also doing a lot of work and they have some experts up there that are going to present at Flathead Valley Community College. And we have some experts here at Missoula Public Library at the Cooper Room A and B at 6:00 tomorrow. And we're going to do a simulcast. So we'll be basically doing a panel discussion from both locations, which in some ways fits because we're all in this together and smoke doesn't cross jurisdiction or it crosses jurisdictional boundaries. And so we're just sharing resources and getting the word out as best we can. So people are welcome to join us. And there's also it is a kind of a webinar style. So you can join in person. There's also you can join via zoom and we will record it. But we're excited to learn like what the experts have to say about maybe what's in store for us this summer. And I have can pass these around to you folks because you city council folks and mayor, you're welcome, of course. And anybody that's listening to join us. I think that's it. That's excellent. Questions. What time is that tomorrow night? Six o'clock. Six p.m. At the public library. Like our effort six to seven thirty at the library Cooper room and it's a free public forum. Excellent. Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you very much for your partnership and all your good work. Yep. Thank you. Right. You bet. Before Amy is is complete. Does anybody have any questions for Miss Sillenberg before she takes a seat? Great. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. All right. A lot of that information we try to keep up as much as we can as well on the city of Missoula's climate team page as well. Okay. So that wraps up our agenda item number four, special presentations and proclamations. So next we'll move to public comment for items that are not on the agenda. This first period of public comment of items that are not on the agenda is limited to 20 minutes total with up to three minutes allotted per speaker. Each person may speak once per meeting concerning items not on the agenda. In-person comments take precedence. Sign up is required and follows a first come first serve basis. The second period of public comment on items not on the agenda will follow immediately after the conclusion of all regular business and continue until all comments have been taken. It's on. Danielle Petri, come on up. Thank you. Danielle Petri, downtown business owner. I'm here to get today again to talk to you about the safety access and mobility for cyclists project, otherwise known as the Higgins diet or the SAM project. Right now I'm not really sure if I'm confused, disappointed or just completely irate about the grant process, but I guess we'll find out over the next week. So at the 30% design public work says they were $10 million short on funding. After presumably $5 to $7 million of value engineering, which means cutting things out of the project and deferring other components to other projects. We were told a few weeks ago on April 29th, less than six weeks ago, that we were still $3 to $5 million short of what we think we need. And that $3 to $5 million would be funded by tax increment financing, local tax dollars, and possibly some more federal funding. Now in a week with no further update on that that I've heard. Now the May working group meeting was canceled. So maybe I'm out of the loop. But from what I've heard, I haven't heard it where that money is coming from. That extra $5 million that we're short. And so now are they going to ask you all to vote on those letting them move to the final design and implementation without knowing where this funding is coming from? If so, does that mean that the resolution will also be a vote to fund the $5 million with local taxpayer money? I don't understand how city council can vote whether to implement the project when we still don't know where the extra money will come from. I'm afraid you'll vote next week to continue the project and then be strong armed into contributing more local taxpayer dollars to finish the project down the road. And that number is probably going to go up. On Wednesday this week at the Public Works Committee meeting, I'll be here and I hope to hear you city council members asking these questions. To me, it would only make sense to at least abstain from voting until the questions about funding have been answered . One council member here has been asking, I was going back through videos, 2023, February 2023, over three years ago, they asked, "When can we contribute to design specifics, especially about the intersections?" I watched that council member ask that over and over every time the SAM project is here. At the last vote, the council member even said, "I'm not going to vote for the project to move forward until we can see these intersections and make sure they're what people want." I guess we'll see if we get to see those intersections and how that vote goes, but one would think that the city council would have some sense of the vote. The city council would have some say in the project, but so far it seems like Public Works makes decisions first and asks questions later. They're calling this a resolution. I think a resolution should actually resolve something. How about we resolve the massive budget shortfall and limit the project area to the hip strip south of the river and use remaining funds to complete any other parts of the project we have extra for. 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How we grow as a city and how we grow as a community. And it's I think we're looking at things as a development, as a possibility of putting housing into a format that maximizes the amount of housing per unit or per space. And I'd like to think of I'd like us to twist that just a little bit, flip it on its head and think about creating neighborhoods, because that's really what Missoula has been and what has drawn us all to Missoula. And what keeps us here is our sense of place, our sense of neighborhoods, a sense of who we are. And so I'd like us to start twisting that idea and notion a little bit around development as an entity that creates neighborhoods. It was interesting. There was a sign put out by the Missoula Downtown Foundation, which says the power of place. And truly, that is. And I think that Missoula has been able to grow over the years to provide that rootedness and that sense of place. So what I would like us to consider again, I my daughter lives in Ashland, Oregon, as you know, and she lives in a complex that is on one point six acres of land, which is about a city block. This her garage is below her complex is below her two bedroom apartment. She pays $1,600 a month rent, which is enough. But it's not it's nothing near what Missoula families are paying for the the woman who lives above her is paying $1, 300. And this is very, very affordable housing by Missoula terms . The there are 12 units in three fourplexes. There are 20 townhomes which are renting or selling for $4 75,000, which is again, not a lot of money. I mean, which is a huge amount of money. But I just saw in Rivera, which is supposedly a medium income that the townhouses there are selling for $675,000 or excuse me, 640 and 625. Again, the sense of community is not in this. It is not in this, which is actually a violation of our own climate policy regarding heat zones. So we're creating a 260 parking lot in a middle of a housing complex. And I would like us to to do better. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. So. All right, folks, all of the members of the public that signed up for public comment for items. That are not on the agenda. We do have a little extra time if there's anybody here who wishes to make public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Not seeing any. Not seeing any online either. Oh, Miss Schreiber, go right ahead. Go ahead and unmute yourself. And I'll tell you from this side. Okay. Thank you, Mayor Davis. It's a good moment for my mic to work. To go along with what Suzette is talking about in the climate issues. And I think that's a good moment for us. I think that's a good moment for us. I think that's a good moment for us. I think that's a good moment for us. I think that's a good moment for us. I think that's a good moment for us. I think that's a good moment for us. I think that's a good moment for us. 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And I don't understand where the due diligence is happening , especially when we're told that environmental studies included this type of impact to find out that those studies have not been done. And the public has been the neighborhood's been trying to bring this to the table for 18 months and to have that type of slip of mind for an important aspect is really confusing . And I did want to mention that I attended the coroner's inquiry for my neighbor Ross that was killed by police out in the field two years ago. That was a difficult thing. And I hope that you all as policy and decision makers take a little bit closer look at that case. I think that's a good moment. I think that's a good moment. I think that's a good moment. I think that's a good moment. I think that's a good moment. I think that's a good moment. I think that's a good moment. I think that's a good moment. I think that's a good moment. I think that's a good moment. I think that's a good moment. 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It was just really hard. And that the climate report that you guys went over at your last committee meeting showing that. Give me back. It's all on the land, but showing that this is like the hottest area of town, and then you're going to charge us for culverting the water. That's a Montanan to have a big developer take away my water. Apparently, I'll still have my water rights. And thank you, Carrie. That's three minutes. Appreciate your comments this evening. Okay. Phone number ending in 3844. You're welcome to unmute yourself and provide your three- minute public comment now. Can you hear me? Oh, yes, we can. Hello? Yes, we can hear you. Hi, this is Sarah Giuliani. Okay. This is Sarah Giuliani. Okay. This is Sarah Giuliani. Okay. This is Sarah Giuliani. Okay. This is Sarah Giuliani. Um. Yeah, I, the first public commenter, um, Danielle Petrie. I just wanted to thank her for following the SAM project so closely. I think it was a great question. I think it was a great question. 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I think it was a great question. I think it was a great question. It does sound like things are pretty over budget. And as I was listening, I was just thinking, like, we as working class people, we have to follow a budget. Like, if I want to purchase something, if I want to go for a trip, if I, you know, I have to find the funds for that and stay on budget. And so I just ask, I guess, at the city council, when you are thinking about passing these budgets or approving these projects, think about the people that might have to pick up an extra shift or an extra job to cover, you know, the extra costs that the city may be asking them to fund. And then to kind of go along with what Carrie was saying, I was able to go to the coroner's inquest the other day, and it was very hard to be there. And I, it was incredibly tragic. And I, and holding Ross and his family in my heart, because it really did not need to happen, what happened. So, thank you all. That's all I've got. Thank you, Sarah. Thanks for your comments. Looks like we have an additional person with their hand raised. Last number ends in 9389. 9389. Please go ahead and unmute yourself. Hi, this is Mary Giuliani. And I'd also like to thank Danielle for just her community education and really for being a community leader and the ways that she not only educates us, her business, you know, how it responds to our community. She's a member of the community. She's a member of the community. She's a member of the community. And she opens up her space every Friday for First Friday events. She welcomes people. She's so inclusive. So, I just really wanted to say thank you to her as well. I want to go back to this climate proclamation. And again, the climate committee meeting last Wednesday, I spoke at that, but I'll speak here again, just with the concerns I have related to the loss of the mature established trees, tree canopy really, that exists currently on that Midtown common site. And how that relates to heat and the heat mapping that was done. And that was done. As Terry stated, that was reported as one of the hottest areas in the city. And another concern that I have, and I guess maybe you've caught on to it, is accountability and how that comes into play with the city in terms of the things that they say and then the actions that they take. And that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. So, again, there's an incongruency in the things that are stated that are important in our value system, which actually most people in the community, I would say, absolutely support. And then the actions by the city, which are dismissive and undermining of the work that people in climate change action and advocacy are engaged in. And it was disheartening as well to have a council member person who's the chair of the committee and also on the climate resilience implementation team tell me when I reached out with concerns that, gosh, aren't you a resident in Ward 3? Why are you reaching out to me with these questions? So, again, it's highlighting this lack of accountability and incongruency in what is said and what is done. And I'm hoping that maybe there's more alignment with that in the future. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Giuliani. We have time for one more comment. And I don't know if I see a hand raised anymore online. 3844, if you can unmute, you're welcome to go ahead and share your public comment now. Although I think we already did 3844, didn't we? Yeah, let's just have a hand raised again. Okay. I just left a hand raised. All right. That wraps up our public comment for items that are not on the agenda. The first installment. We'll next move on to our agenda items. We don't have any public hearings this evening, folks. And we don't have any new business. So, we'll next move on to the business item of the consent agenda. Items on the consent agenda were approved in city council committees to be placed on the consent agenda to save time at council meetings by voting on them as a package. The city clerk will read the list aloud. The city clerk will read the list aloud so citizens watching on MCAT will know what is on the consent agenda. We'll invite community comment on these items before we vote. So, Ms. Trimble, will you please go ahead and share with us what is on the consent agenda, please? All right. On this evening's consent agenda, we begin with accounts payable or checks for claims dated June 11, 2026 in the amount of $4,287,605.03. We have a recommended motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign a three-year renewal collective bargaining agreement with the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. We have a motion to authorize the mayor to enter into a purchase and sale agreement with the Missoula County Airport Authority for the future acquisition of 28 acres of the historic Milwaukee Rail Corridor for use as a future trail and linear park corridor to be incorporated in the future as part of the Great American Rail Trail contingent with open space bond approval. We have a motion to set a public hearing on June 22, 2026 to authorize up to $130,000 of 2018 open space bond funds to acquire 28 acres of the historic Milwaukee Rail Corridor from the Missoula County Airport Authority to use as a future trail and linear park corridor to be incorporated in the future as part of the Missoula section of the Great American Rail Trail Trail. We have a motion to approve and adopt the preliminary approval of the addition of one FTE or full-time employee to allow sufficient time for hiring, training, and onboard ing before peak construction activity that is related to the Water Utility Service Line crew. We have a motion to adopt the resolution relating to a $5,4 12,000 water system revenue bond series 2026A authorizing the issuance and fixing the terms and conditions thereof. We have a motion to adopt the resolution relating to the special road district bond authorizing the issuance and fixing the terms and conditions thereof. We have a motion to confirm the Mayor's appointment of Brittany Palmer to the City Planning Commission as Altern ate 2 for a term beginning immediately and expiring on December 31, 2027. And finally, we have a motion to adopt a resolution establishing the proposed city plan. Planning Commission bylaws subject to resolution 8921. We have a motion to adopt a resolution bylaws subject to resolution 8921. We have a motion to adopt a resolution establishing the proposed City Planning Commission bylaws subject to resolution 8921. We have a motion to adopt a resolution. We have a motion to adopt a resolution bylaws. We have a motion to adopt a resolution. We have a motion to adopt a resolution establishing the proposed City Planning Commission bylaws subject to resolution 8921. 26 i authorizing the issuance and fixing the terms and conditions thereof we have a motion to confirm the mayor's appointment of brittany palmer to the city planning commission as alternate two for a term beginning immediately and expiring on december 31st 20 27 and finally we have a motion to adopt a resolution establishing the proposed city planning commission bylaws subject to resolution 8921 thank you very much ms trimble appreciate that uh now for public comment on the consent agenda any public comment or any of the items on the consent agenda i 'm not seeing any i'll check online to see if there's any members of the public that wish to make comment specifically on the consent agenda any items that are listed on the consent agenda okay i'm not seeing any hands raised so we'll wrap that public comment portion up come back to council uh now is when i ask if folks would like to separate any items i was notified by counselor campbell you'd like to separate item 9.7 and 9.8 do we have any other members of the council that wish to separate any items this evening not seeing any okay um and counselor do you wish to speak to these should i move these to regular business or do you wish to just state your reasoning for separating them yeah thank you ma'am mayor actually um i do want to speak to it a little bit delve into it so if we can move those to uh uh many report sections we'll do that thank you so i'll we 'll move items 9.7 and 9.8 from the consent agenda to regular business at the request of counselor campbell um and these are both going to be in public works um pretty um here one is lee griffin though it's a bond so it may be in budget and finance which would be counselor nugent giving the motion so just be thinking about who wants to give the motion on those two when we get to regular business okay so miss trim ble um i don't see any additional other separation or abstentions from any of the other items so we can take a voice vote on the consent agenda consent agenda items 9.1 um up to 9.6 and then picking it up again at 99 to 9.11 all right voting on this evening's consent agenda all in favor say aye aye aye and any opposed all right that passes unanimously for the sections voted on okay thank you very much appreciate that so the first item is 9.7 um i do have lee griffin here to uh speak to this item i'm going to assume that this is then in the budget and finance but um i could be wrong so i just want to rochambeau for who makes the for the recommended motion we could do that um and so uh mr campbell go ahead if you'd like to go ahead and speak to item 97 and 98 you're welcome to speak to both of those now we'll take separate we'll take separate actions on both i appreciate that mom madam mayor thank you um if permitted i'd like to share my screen bet bet thank you for asking okay thank you um so some of the outlying information i had from committee last week had to do with the um amortization of uh the two bonds uh i'll just start with the wire system revenue bond which is item 9.7 and i just went on the record just showing that the 5.4 million dollars uh bonded over 20 years yields roughly three million dollars in interest paid over the life of that bond yearly payments installed on that bond is 420 000 starting out with 256 000 of interest and as i understand it this all comes as a water system revenue bond it's based on revenue from revenue sources of the wire department to include people's bills on people's bills on water service the other one i'll bring to light is the mortization table for the special road district bond now this one uh 4.4 four million dollars is yielding about 2.459 million dollars in interest over 20 years with the payment of roughly 345 000 dollars annually starting out interest rate of 210 000 so for that 9.8 million dollars that we're asking for here tonight it's going to yield roughly 15.3 15.4 million dollars in total payments um and i want to center mostly on the special road district bond because that's where i had the greatest concern and i understand you know we bond generally to facilitate improvements um without the ability to have cash on hand to make those improvements you get the best deal and in fact you know 9.9 which you know we just voted on um you know it's much larger bond and we're using that to water system type infrastructure needs to build our infrastructure to do what we need to do to have a revolving loan to manage infrastructure projects so my issue isn't with the idea of bonding generally but however you know with the special road district bond i did have some concerns i'm going to refer now to a slide this is from a presentation that was made to committee the whole back on february 14th 2018 not long after the creation of mozilla water company and uh there's a couple two i think three of you were actually present at this particular meeting that particular day i went back and watched some of that meeting but one thing i recall from creation of the water company is the idea that the operation the maintenance and infrastructure improvements of the water company i remember marrying and saying this time and time again it'll be handled within the budget of the water department it'll be handled within the budget of bills people pay to be provided water service and it would not include property taxes would not include a raise of property taxes not include property tax revenue so fast forward to today we're looking at a revenue bond based on guarantee from the road district which is property tax generated revenue and lately it's in excess of approximately 18 million dollars it's grown from 500 000 2010 it's exploded to over 18 000 used for various projects within the overall broad realm of public works roads maintenance that sort of thing and what i see here is a blurring of the lines i think um you know in speaking with lee griffing in finance and i got some answers to this you know and so far as you know there's bar department business going on out that building there's public works business going out out of that building i have some appreciation that um we have two different bonds here to deal with that building in in great measure due to the fact that you know what water department business stays within that bond stays within the water bond or the um the other bond and the bond that we're discussing here from uh the road district revenue is for some of the other more public works type functions and roads and things like that that also share office space out there and i could appreciate that discussion but i i have some concerns that we're going down this road this slippery slope of you know now we're introducing property tax revenue and there is going to be a property tax impact it might albeit a minor one for this year um to the road district and again you know we're looking at 345 000 in annual payments that'll come from road district funds for this bond and in speaking with lee and one of the answers or one of the questions i had had was our obligation to fill those um deaths on an annual basis that's first and foremost uh right off the top uh for any road district expenditures that we may do in fiscal year 27 28 and so forth so come fiscal year 27 are we going to be raising again once again as we've done every year uh road district expenditures for road district one for that special district are we going to try to absorb it within you know the existing expenditure we have now increase further spending increases there find three hundred forty five thousand dollars a year to cut from somewhere else track record says i kind of doubt that that's going to happen because it's raised every year since 2010. um so that's my concern um you know i'm going to be a yes on 9.7 because i feel we 're appropriately using water company generated revenue to make improvements that need to be made out there those capital improvements for that but with 9.8 i'm going to be voting no on this because i think again we're going down this road of now introducing um property tax revenue um property tax revenue vis-a-vis the road district into the improvements we want to do with that building out there and going back to 2014 and this presentation and the pledge from late mayor ingin that we want to go down this road i i don 't want to see us go down that road now so those reasons i'll be you know on 9.8 thank you for your comments counselor campbell counselor jones right i uh appreciate the points you've made mr campbell but i just want to point out in the email that you sent us from lee griffing today she really specified that this is not just a missoula water utility project in the traditional sense rather it's a renovation and improvement project for the building commonly referred to as the missoula water building which houses a significant number of public works staff and functions that extend beyond the water utility and then she goes on to say that historically projects that are exclusively water utility infrastructure have been financed with water revenue bonds but because this project serves multiple functions and occupants including non-water operations the financing structure was designed to align the repayment sources with the portions of the project benefiting those respective functions so i'll be voting yes because i think staff did a really good job of parsing out what exactly should be charged uh via revenue bonds to water payer rates and what should go to the road district because they are other services and also i just want to point out um with something like this where we're doing a big improvement or rehabilitation of a very old building um you know we could save money for a long period of time which would be chipped away at inflation and but i think by doing it this way frankly you have the people who ultimately are benefiting from it which will be in the future those rate payers are going to be paying for servicing those bonds through the the um through the city and getting the benefit of it also so i mean for someone who's in their 80s or 90s who probably won't be around for the next 30 years to reach the benefit of this will not have had their last 30 years of rates going to this but instead this is uh basically paying it forward in a way that folks who are going to be reaping the benefit of it will have that so anyway uh i just wanted to make it clear on the record i'm voting yes i think i think staff did a good job of um divvying it up amongst the correct entities to be basically paying for it thank you for your comments counselor jones counselor nugent uh thank you mayor davis i would echo uh counselor jones uh comments and and clarifications i do think that just to to add to that the um city obviously acquired this property as part of the broader uh mountain water acquisition and i think it's a credit to public works that they've managed to move more operations into that building and take further advantage of that public resource and now it's truly a public works building not just a water space so i see the distinction and i also can appreciate that the flip side of that would be that if we were solely using water revenue to pay for this remodel we would be going back on the word that we would only use water revenue to enhance the water system and not all of public work so i i think the statement counselor campbell made proves that the city is doing exactly what they said but we are also utilizing a resource better and i think public work should be commended because several years ago the future of public works location was a a different site a build from scratch and that would have been mayor correct me i think 30 million plus dollars and it just was uh viewed as not a realistic option so public works went back to the drawing board figured out how they can address this and and use the building that they they have uh to kind of solve some of their problems and also it's going to net another public meeting space uh when needed which is something that the city often um is at a loss for uh one of the council members actually this week emailed about finding public space for a public meeting so um i think that those are all positives and i appreciate the conversation but i think that that for all the reasons counselor jones outlined and for everything i've mentioned i will be in support of this because i think it's responsible and we are spreading the cost and impact of the public work service to the ratepayers who will and the taxpayers who will benefit from it over the next x number of years and i think that's positive and 2018 was almost a decade ago as we discussed today which means we are almost halfway done paying off our acquisition bond so we should be celebrating that down the road but thank you counselor nugent very true we're almost halfway there counselor campbell thank you once again ma'am mayor i just point out too with regards to road district road district number one encompasses every property owner every resident within the city of missoula and just point out that not every missoula resident is a mountain water customer or would they choose but they do benefit from storm water which occupies that building thank you councilor nudja did you have another yeah i would i just i i wanted to add something else and i appreciate that i think that is why there's a portion that's separated and specifically they figured out what the water operations portion of that building is and that is coming from the operation of water so the taxpayers of the city aren't paying for the water operation they're contributing to everything else and even if the city didn't grow at all the cost to maintain roads would go up every year because everything gets more expensive every year so this idea that the the budget to maintain our roads should stay the same while the cost of asphalt goes up 70 percent in a given year and then 65 the next year is just not how local government budget works and i wish it did but i wish the costs for government could stay the same but the the servicers that we have to contract with charge more and so then we have to work that into our budget thank you counselor i saw a couple hands raised over here but they're down just want to make sure that the system's not shutting you yes yes counselor becera thank you um and i think counselor nugent just spoke to what i wanted to point out which is that i remember several years ago we looked at different locations and different alternatives for where we could locate um all of public works including the water um subdivision that lives as part of that same building um and i think we're saving our uh taxpayers a significant amount of money by staying in the building where we are remodeling and making sure that all the employees that are there can remain there and we can continue to grow our um department in order to better serve our community and meet those demands um i think this i remember when this came to city council was presented as part of the um capital improvements program and looking at all the different financing um issuances and all the um financing um uh sources and i feel like this is the path that um it was best suited for this type of investment in um a community asset so i'll be in full support and i do think that um again i i think staying um on broadway um not only benefits the city and the employees that need to work over there but it's also um investing in that part of the corridor corridor that we have been for a long time trying to um inject with some some uh revitalization of sorts and i think this does that thank you thank you councillor becerra councillor crass did you have a it was an accident okay i'm gonna make sure you had an opportunity there um any other comments from council members um this was a separated item from the consent agenda so we made staff available this evening there is no new information to present from our staff i will give the opportunity now um either to finance director lee griffing or public works business manager rebecca uh aniko if there is anything that you wish to provide that would help um inform the discussion at all no no no mandate but just giving you the opportunity since you joined us this evening miss griffing please go right ahead thank you i just wanted to point out um i understand the concern but we've worked very closely with the architects and the design and the planning team in order to understand the different uses in this building and by um to reiterate to some extent what councillor newgen said by issuing a road district bond we are ensuring that we are in fact keeping these funding sources and these uses segregated and now we have legal documents outlining that as well thank you thank you for the additional context lee appreciate that all right i'll just add to the chorus of my appreciation to the team for the diligence that has gone into making sure that the um that not only just um making sure that we're making prudent fiscal decisions um in regards to this very necessary um facility uh expansion and improvement to make sure we have a good um enough people enough space for people to work for our utilities and that includes not only water but water and other um other components and teams of our public works department um but a place to keep our trucks and that kind of thing because equipment is necessary to make sure we maintain it in an appropriate fashion uh public works isn't the only department we do that for of course um so with that i think that does wrap up all of our regular business we've heard from um comments from council and so we'll go ahead and hear the main motions councillor nugent these are in budget and finance so if you'll make make both motions and then we'll vote on those separate miss trimble thank you and uh council vice president savage is absent tonight so i will make these motions i move city council adopt the resolution relating to five uh five million four hundred twelve thousand water system revenue bond series 2026a authorizing the issu ance and fixing the terms and conditions thereof and i further move city council adopt the resolution relating to special road district bond authorizing the issuance and fixing the terms and conditions thereof all right appreciate that so we have motions on the floor we'll go ahead and offer the opportunity for any members of the public to make comment on either of these agenda items make comment on either of these agenda items and again the vote will be taken separate but if there's any members of the public that wish to comment not seeing any not seeing any online either then we'll go ahead and do roll call votes for each please all right beginning with item 9.7 the water system revenue bond beginning with anderson yes the sarah yes campbell yes krask yes jones yes jordan yes m ccoy hi melson yes nugent nugent yes nougent yes content yes and cheryl yes and that item passes unanimously okay moving on to item 9.8 the resolution relating to the road district bond beginning with the beginning with the beginning beginning with becerra yes yes yes yes yes yes jones yes jordan yes j ordan yes mccoy aye melson yes yes nougent yes yes jordan yes cheryl yes and anderson yeah yeah and that passes with 10 in favor one opposed okay thank you very much that wraps up all of our consent agenda and regular business items so we'll next move on to public comment for items that are not on the agenda and this is for members of the public that didn 't have an opportunity in the earlier agenda item so for those that did not have a chance to make public comment for items that are not on the agenda now is your time wish to make any comment not seeing any in the audience i'll go ahead and see if we have any hands raised online okay not seeing any online then that wraps up our public comment um for items that are not on the agenda we'll quickly move into communications from the mayor um i i'm thrilled to update folks that um a few of us here in missoula participated on a virtual meeting today in support of the franklin crossing project um myself and council president mike nugent um melanie brock from the midtown association and julie l acy from the missoula economic partnership as well as sam oliver the executive director of the missou la housing authority um it was i'm i'm sorry that folks that made comments about this project earlier aren't here to listen i hope they go back to this council meeting and hear that um you know this project has received incredible support in um the two votes thus taken so far by the montana board of housing as this project advances today it was for what's called go funding it's low interest money that's been provided by the legislature and it really is um it's an important form of financing for this particular project they have yet to submit their application and then a final decision in the fall about receiving one portion of the housing tax credits but this project has received the unanimous support of the montana board of housing both times they've had an opportunity to vote and that is because they have seen the incredible um not only is it just number of units um there's a lot of big projects that get funded across the state these days um there was a 200 and something unit project that was also up for consideration in kalispell today um but this project has received such unanimous support because they have seen the amount of thoughtful planning that has gone in by this community this project is something that has long been in the making by this city and i'm so privileged to be sitting in the mayor's seat and being able to see us actually accomplish what the community has asked for um not only are we going to see 192 deed restricted permanently affordable homes there these are homes some of which 41 of which will be at 30 percent of the area median income that's made possible because of the partnership with the missoula housing authority the missoula housing authority of course being a local entity but so is the private developer something that um i know we've mentioned in the past but something that's been um i think been misstated by some public comment we've heard and united housing partners those principles live right here in missoula we're very lucky to have that kind of capacity here locally where we can see folks bring these kinds of projects to the table i will say that um you know it's been really interesting to see that after this council unanimously adopted the uniform development code not regulating parking a lot of which of course is because of state um mandates uh relative to some of that but the market still does respond to parking needs and that's what we've seen with the project concept and the site plan concept here one of the things that is really important to note though is that this project is immediately adjacent to a bolt line so every 15 minutes um there will be folks that have the ability to easily live with no or one car living at this property because they can access not only the bitter root commuter trail so easily it's immediately adjacent to the site but also um a very frequent and often bus service um we do know and the the developers um are attempting to do what they've done at other sites which is to install solar panels above their parking spaces in order to generate solar power and energy for the affordable homes but then also that provides shade for those parking spaces a very um innovative approach most definitely of course that all depends on financing none of that is locked in that is of course a goal of theirs as they uh continue forward with this project um if we wish of course as a public body to require that um that's something that would have to be a city council policy and something that quite frankly we'd have to incentivize with dollars and i think that's that's always worth the conversation but here we are not only getting permanent affordable housing but we're also working with a developer that has those goals in mind so i 'm super pleased to see this continuing to move forward um it is going to make a big difference and it meets a number of different goals in addition to our climate goals one of the things that has long um not really been part of our climate conversation but land use is a significant element of our climate conversation when we reduce sprawl when we utilize our existing infrastructure well we are reducing the amount of single vehicle use single vehicle miles traveled and we have dramatic opportunities when people share walls and they live in an energy efficient home they are not only saving significant dollars every month but they are using less energy therefore producing less fossil fuel consumption so this is a significant move forward when it comes to the very concerns we heard tonight about heat climate effect and those kinds of things land use makes a huge decision a huge impact on those on those kinds of um large-scale concerns that we all have as community members so i'm very pleased to see that this project is moving forward i'm looking forward to in the fall with fingers crossed we have the opportunity to say that it's fully financed and of course this project will come forward in front of city council because you have the final say in uh approving the uh dollars the investment dollars for both infrastructure and affordable housing in the form of tax increment financing so i will go ahead and um also encourage people to stay tuned for the downtown sam discussion that you all have on wednesday i do hope that some of the concerns that were raised today can again get clarified for the record and especially as our staff have done i think a fine job of making sure that we are articulating that um when we were at the 30 plans boy oh boy people had big plans of grandeur and we all knew that at the time we presented that very fact at the moment that we knew we weren't going to be able to afford what was at the 30 plans and so our staff will walk you all through that again to make sure that we can understand how we've been able to scope this project from beginning to end uh so it's certainly an important conversation and one that can't be um said enough it's a large complex project um and so with that i'll go ahead and conclude my comments and i will start counselor with with you counselor jones thanks i'll pass to thank you very much counselor becerra um i just wanted to mention for anyone on council or members of the public who want to learn a little bit more um about their reserve to scott street master plan that there's an open house um on wednesday from 4 30 to 6 p.m at head start um 1001 warden avenue that's in the north side um where we can learn a lot more about that project so i would encourage anyone to to join that open house thanks counselor ponton thanks mary davis i will pass tonight all right counselor krask i will also pass tonight thank you thank you you counselor melson just a note to say congrats to all the grads and over to you mr mccoy excellent thank you for that counselor mccoy i will pass tonight thank you that and counselor anderson thanks so much uh echo the grad comments and then also school ends this week so uh there will be hopefully lots of uh young folks out and about so just take a couple bit of extra minutes um because we want everyone to have a safe and happy summer as they are riding their bikes around enjoying living and growing up in missoula so um just wanting to put that out there thank you appreciate that and counselor campbell yeah thank you ma'am mayor i just want to say um i had the opportunity this last sat urday to uh participate and uh take part in a groundbreaking ceremony for the new missoula temple church jesus christ latter-day saints down there in lower middle creek myself and uh counselor mccoy were able to take part in that was a good crowd on hand um good celebration i know uh it's been something that's been prayed for and thought of for a number of decades now and uh it's finally coming to fruition and two perhaps three perhaps as soon as two years from now they'll have a building that they'll dedicate and be a wonderful addition to um our community of faith that we have to be part of it thank you for your comments council cheryl i'll pass thank you okay and councillor nug ent uh thank you mayor thanks for all your comments on um front crossing i just i would echo them all and i uh responded to one of the public commenters who who keeps talking about them not being a local uh development company uh the principal lives in missoula and his kids go to school here and he grew up in montana and he's done projects in and outside of montana because that's how uh developers of affordable housing at this scale do things they're not just in one community and um i think that's perfectly normal and it's a great partner for the missoula housing authority i would also just add to uh counselor anderson's comments uh school being out also means that our parks department is ramping up their summer programming and just a shout out to meg and her crew um at parks and rec because that is just an incredible undertaking and uh for the next 10 12 weeks whatever summer is they are going to be full bore so just keep an eye out for all these kiddos in the parks doing great things appreciate that thank you uh councillor jordan any comments all right you bet i do believe that's everybody then thanks everybody at 7 0 8 p.m and i'll go ahead and adjourn our meeting thanks for coming down thanks to all council members Thank you.

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All of the committee information is available on the City of Missoula City Council agenda web page. Okay. We have a few special proclamations this evening, but no neighborhood council updates. So we are on item number 4 on our agenda. Again, we don't have any neighborhood council updates this evening, but we do have two proclamations. I'll go ahead and start the first one, which is Pride Month . And this proclamation and the one after is in connection with Missoula County. Okay. Whereas Missoula County and the City of Missoula acknowledge the lasting impacts of homophobia and transph obia, which have manifested through acts of physical, mental, emotional, and institutional violence against lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, intersex, asexual, and two-sp irit individuals and communities, both in the United States and globally. And whereas Missoula County and the City of Missoula are home to these diverse communities and are committed to supporting the safety, visibility, dignity, and equality of all residents. And whereas on June 28, 1969, the New York Police Department conducted two raids on the Stonewall Inn, a popular gay bar in Greenwich Village, using discriminatory laws, such as masquerade laws, to arrest patrons and workers. And whereas these raids sparked neighborhood resistance, known as the Stonewall Uprising, led by transgender and lesbian activists, including transgender women of color, and the courage of these activists in the face of violence, became a rallying call for the gay rights movement in the United States. And whereas while significant progress has been made toward policy reform and equitable treatment of this community, there are renewed efforts to discriminate and inflict harm upon them, making it essential for local governments to stand in solidarity and take action to support those affected. Now, therefore, Missoula County and the City of Missoula do hereby proclaim the month of June 2026 as Pride Month and invite all residents to observe this month through community programs, ceremonies, and activities, and by visiting MissoulaPride.com. Okay. Don't have any registered speakers to come and join us for that proclamation this evening. Next, I'll go ahead and move on to our second proclamation, in which we do have some community members here to join us for this evening. I'll get that up on the screen as well. Whereas firearms are the leading cause of death for children and teens 19 and under in the United States, and in Montana, firearms are the second leading cause of death among children and teens, and it is estimated there are more than 1,100 suicides on college campuses in the United States every year. And whereas gun violence kills nearly 130 Americans every day, and on average 70 women are shot and killed by intimate partners each month, and in Montana, an average of 257 people die and 264 are wounded by guns each year. And whereas Montana has ranked among the top five states with the highest suicide rates for the past 40 years, 83% of firearm deaths in Montana are suicides. Suicide is the leading preventable cause of death among youth ages 17, or excuse me, 10 to 14. And LGBTQ+ youth are four times more likely to attempt suicide than their straight peers. And Montana's American Indians are disproportionately affected by gun violence. And whereas Missoula Public Health, Missoula County, and the City of Missoula are committed to supporting residents by offering free gun locks to disrupt access to firearms, and providing suicide prevention training. And whereas June 2, 2026 would have been the 29th birthday of Hadia Pendleton, a teenage girl who was shot and killed in a neighborhood park in Illinois, and we honor her life and the lives and lost potential of all Americans stolen by gun violence on this National Day of Awareness. And whereas anyone can join the effort to end gun violence by pledging to wear orange on Saturday, June 6, 2026, to raise awareness, promote responsible gun ownership, and safe storage, support efforts to keep firearms out of the wrong hands, and keep our children safe. Now, therefore, we, the Missoula Board of County Commission ers, and the City of Missoula in the State of Montana, do hereby proclaim June 6, 2026 as National Gun Violence Awareness Day. And I'll just mention that before I ask Roxanne to come and share a few words, I was reviewing the council agenda this morning. And as I was reviewing the agenda, when I turned my computer on, headline news came on, and I saw that there had been a domestic violence mass shooting in Sandy, Oregon, yesterday, in which multiple victims, and I don't know if we know how many, but this is a case in which the police officer that was responding was shot multiple times, but is expected to survive. And as I was reading the article, there was a link to get another article. And that article was two sheriff deputies that responded to a well-being call in Virginia a couple of days ago. They were both shot at, and unfortunately, one of those officers was shot and killed. He had currently served our country in the military, had survived the military, and had come back to serve his lifelong dream of being a sheriff deputy and was shot and killed by the situation. And it was just a very piercing reality, I think, of what we are facing as a country, and quite frankly, as the world . And it is something that, as I was reviewing our agenda and reviewing this proclamation again in preparation for our meeting tonight, reading those two stories, which are not the only two stories that happened in most recent times, are just a very stark reminder for why we do need to keep raising our voices and raising our awareness. And so with that, I would love to welcome up Roxanne Wykell to the podium to share a few words, and appreciate you all being here tonight. Thank you. Let me turn the mic off for you. Well, thank you very much for your observation. And it's always good to try and get it. Remember in our hearts what this all means, past the statistics and the numbers that we hear and read about periodically. So my name is Roxanne Wykell. I am a member of Ward 4. And I want to thank all of you, first of all, for your service to this community, and for joining the rest of Montana and our nation with this proclamation for National Gun Violence Awareness Day. And once again, this year, we invite you to join us this Saturday, June 6th at 10:00 a.m. to line the Bear Tracks Bridge to raise awareness and honor gun violence victims and survivors. So go check out your closet, find some orange, wear orange if you can, and join us. It's short. It's about 45 minutes. And you can leave early. We, those of you, those of us here, volunteer with Moms Dem and Action for Gun Sense. We're a grassroots, non-partisan organization of mothers and others. There are now 11 million supporters nationally, over 8,000 here in Montana, and over 4,000 here in Missoula. And you've just heard from the proclamation how Wear Orange was started when Hadiyah Pendleton was shot and killed just a week after marching with her high school band in President Obama's second inaugural parade. Her friends commemorated her life by wearing orange, the color that hunters wear in the woods to protect themselves and others. Wear Orange honors the nearly 130 people shot and killed every day in the U.S., along with the hundreds more who are wounded. And beyond that, the countless others, mothers, siblings, fellow students, work colleagues, whose lives have been forever changed. You've just heard the sobering statistics about Montana. Think about this. Montana now has the second highest rate of gun suicides and gun suicide attempts in the U.S. And overall, when you factor in gun homicides and gun assaults, Montana has the 18th highest rate of gun violence in the U.S. And as we've talked, these are statistics, but these statistics are Montanans with heartbreaking stories that affect a wide circle of families, friends, students, schools, and the entire community. So what can we do? Well, there's a lot on our plate that we can do. But one focus for today is for our group is to remind everyone how important it is for adults to store guns securely. Best practice is to keep all guns unloaded, locked up, and separate from ammunition. This helps prevent a person in crisis, someone who might be thinking of harming themselves or others. It helps keep them from having easy access to a firearm. It prevents curious children from finding a gun and shooting themselves or someone else unintentionally. And it also helps to prevent theft. Nearly 80% of the guns used by youth in school shootings were from a parent's or relative's home. So there's lots we could talk about, but our focus here in Montana right now is secure storage of firearms. So very briefly, we as an organization here in Missoula and in Montana take as many opportunities as we can to spread the word. By tabling with information and free gun locks at farmers markets, other events, and when invited, offering materials and locks and conversation to area schools. And we've been very successful in getting in many of the schools by invitation in Missoula County, up as far as Ar lee, down as far as Victor and Asilele. And so we're really pleased with the support that we're getting from the school system and from the parents. The conversations we have with families about the importance of securing firearms and how to talk to other parents about how they store their firearms can really be profound and moving. And the parents are really appreciative. And it's amazing some of the stories we hear with people telling their story about a near miss with an unsecured firearm or what their mother does or their grandmother and arguments they've had with their neighbors. And it just helps us, it reinforces for those of us who volunteer and are passionate about this, how important the work we do is. So, in closing, I ask you to reflect on gun violence and why it matters to you. So, for many of us, for many of us, for me, I think of my kids, my grandkids and our youth, Wear Orange was started by youth. And we can do better for our youth. And we can honor them by raising community awareness. So, once again, we invite you to join us at 10 a.m. Saturday as we line the bridge. We have great posters for you to pick up. Wear orange this weekend when you go out shopping. And I hope we see you on the bridge. And thanks for the work you do and thanks for your time. Thank you very much, Roxanne. And thank you for representing your organization. I very much appreciate all of your colleagues coming down this evening. And I know there are many more in the community that are part of the organization. Thank you for the invitation for this coming Saturday, June 6th, 10 a.m., Bear Tracks Bridge. Councillor Jordan, see your hands raised. Thank you. I like to speak to this one every year when it comes up. I grew up in a family where we had a lot of guns. And I was raised to know that they're dangerous and that we have to take care of them a certain way. But I didn't really realize that America was pretty unique in its gun laws or just its affinity for guns until I lived overseas for a very long time. And where I lived overseas, gun violence isn't really an issue because it's Australia. And they have done incredible measures to make sure that this kind of stuff doesn't happen. It still does happen like we heard about what happened in Sydney a couple, like three or four months ago. But it has affected my family in a way that means that my both of my adult children don't want to live in the United States because they're afraid. There's a whole list of reasons why they prefer to be in Australia. But one of them is gun violence. When we moved here, they were 12 and 14 and they had never done an active shooter drill before in their life. And they were absolutely terrified and traumatized by the fact. And so I allowed my children to not do active shooter drills because they hadn't grown up doing it and it scared them. And I just think that as Americans, we really need to think about our how we think about guns and our rights to have them and all of the complications that come with those rights of having guns. And I also just wanted to touch really quickly after one of my comments three or four years ago, the band Old Crow Medicine Show came through town and they were doing a documentary on gun violence. I don't know if anybody's heard about it, but they interviewed a bunch of Missoulians. I ended up being one of them and talking about gun violence and how it's affected their lives. I didn't end up in the documentary, which is fine, but they have a great documentary. It is really powerful. They did this conversation in a few different cities across the country called Louder Than Guns. It's very well done and it talks about how gun violence really does affect every single person in our community one way or another. So I just wanted to put that out there. Thank you very much for coming today. I can't come on Saturday. I have another plans, but thanks for being here. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for your comments, Councillor Jordan. And again, thank you for raising awareness and being very consistent in our community. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming down tonight. Okay. So that does wrap up our proclamations and any special presentations that we have. So we'll move on to our next agenda item, which is agenda item number five, and that is public comment for items that are not on the agenda. The first period, which is now, of public comment on items not on the agenda is limited to 20 minutes total with up to three minutes allotted per speaker. Each person may speak once per meeting concerning items not on the agenda. In-person comments take precedence. Sign up is required and follows a first come, first serve basis. The second period of public comment, thank you, on items not on the agenda will follow immediately after the conclusion of all regular comments have been taken. So with that, go ahead and open the floor for public comment for items that are not on the agenda. For those that are in the room, we'll start with you and move to folks online. And the first person that signed up is Christine Thompson. Christine, come on up. Good evening. This is my very first city council meeting. I live in the county, but I wanted to come to the city council meeting to see what input the city is going to have on the new data center that they're trying to push through in honor. So I have a lot of questions about it. I'm concerned about it. It's close to a school. It's in a residential area. And what about our water? I mean, I've just got all these things going through my brain. And I wonder if the city is going to have any input on that . Obviously, they're going to have some type of connection with what's going on in the county and how this all turns out. So if anybody has anything to say about it or can give me any resources to look at, I'm going to go to, there's, I think there's a county meeting Wednesday evening at 6:00, and I'm going to go to that one. But I really, if you have any information about it or can give me any direction on that, I would really appreciate it . I think that, you know, the city of Missoula should be very concerned about it, which I'm sure they are. So. Concerned. So. Thank you, Miss Thompson. Thank you very much. You bet. Thanks for joining us tonight. Thanks for coming and joining a city council meeting. I highly encourage you to attend the Board of County Commissioners meeting. It's within their jurisdiction. And, and if there is any follow up information that we can provide, you're welcome to email any of the city council members. Information is very easy to find online as well as the mayor's office. Um, and we can provide as much information as we have available, um, to try to answer your questions. I bet. All right. Suzette Dussault, come on up. Thank you for speaking up for us on, um, the issue of data centers. So many of us are concerned about the, uh, implications, uh , and the catastrophic, um, results that could happen from data centers in our community. Um, I want to speak to you about tonight about a development that's happening. It's called the Franklin, I believe, um, proposal that is happening, um, in the MRL, um, triangle. I think it's called Franklin crossing now. Um, I'm concerned about it on a host of issues. Number one, I again, wish that we would establish this as a permanently affordable, um, uh, neighborhood for, for people by putting it, number one, into land trust. Um, and you know, you know, you're going to not sell it as I think you have proposed to an out of state developer. Number two, the other issue I'm concerned about is the construction of the, and the type of housing that is happening on this proposed. Um, and I'll speak to that in a moment. The other is the issue of the, the heat zone that is created by a 262 parking, uh, in the dead center of this, um, uh, project. Um, I just want to remind you of the guiding principles, um , on the lands that are to be resold. Number one is to, it's, it must be for public benefit, which of course affordable housing is. But I also wonder about the, um, the aspect of it follows following our climate policy that the Missoula County and the, um, the, uh, Missoula County and the city have adopted . So I will go ahead and suggest something. Um, we are looking at five story buildings in an area that of course has been zoned for eight. I am concerned about, as we heard from a mother who lives in one of these five story or four story buildings about the con. How about it's just not a humane place to raise her children. We heard that a couple of weeks ago at city council. What I'm suggesting is that we go back to the drawing board . We eliminate the, the heat zone in the parking. And we look at a development similar to the one, as I mentioned before, with my daughter in, um, Ashland, Oregon. Her apartment isn't above the second story level. It's a two bedroom for 1650. That is a steel in Missoula. And, uh, the unit above her is two, um, is 1300 a month. Again, another two bedroom. I think we need to go back to the drawing board. This is on a 1.6 acre parcel of land. It has three, four plexus, meaning 12 units, 20, um, uh, townhomes. And so this is the kind of, uh, developed neighborhood. Actually, I would like to see for our community. Thank you. Thank you, Suzette. Anybody else in the room wishing to make comments? Any comments on items that are not on the agenda? Anybody else in the room? Okay. Not seeing any. We do have one hand raised. Matt's Larson, please go ahead and unmute yourself. And I'll time you from this side. Thank you, Matt's Larson, board three. Uh, lifelong resident. I wish to, uh, also speak on the proclamation thing first and thank all the previous speakers. Um, I just wanted to mention, uh, my memories growing up here as a youth at Suffolk school and being informed the day after my classmate in fifth grade accidentally shot himself. Tyson Kirkness. Um, and the fallout that touched many people's lives and continues to. Um, and my friend wanted to mention Danny fine and the, the very personal, very close to Missoula events that this can community continues to neglect when it comes to housing. When it comes to substance abuse, when it comes to counseling, when it comes to all these resources that are funded to the absolute minimum, such as the, uh, affordable housing trust fund. And while it continues to be a problem across the, the, the entire state. But bank wings are funded before roofs at your school. And, you know, I, I went to high school with homeless kids, you know, um, at Hellgate. I didn't have to look up any articles about New York. Um, just like. Your meeting at Bear Track Bridge on Saturday. I would be glad to attend because I am very mom partisan. And I think the world needs to be more mom partisan. And I also would invite everyone at that gun violence. 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Tonight, I am bringing forward the third quarter budget amendments for fiscal year 26. There we go. Okay. We can bring forward budget amendments to update the budget throughout the year. We are given this authority via state law. One thing that we have to do with these budget amendments is always show what funding sources we have that will align with any increases in appropriations. Budget amendments occur for a variety of reasons. Most often we want to adjust project timing and expenditure authority. Align appropriations with the operational activity. Sometimes incorporate items approved during the budget adoption that didn't get captured in the final appropri ations schedule. And recognize new or previously unavailable revenues. Often these budget amendments do not bring new spending decisions. These are items that have been before city council in a variety of meetings previously. The resolution that we have before council today will increase the total city revenues by a little over $8.4 million. And increase budgeted appropriations or expenditures by $8. 2 million. And we have two slides with charts with budget amendments, carry forwards, and transfers. We have eight items for budget amendments. Please note that this chart shows departments, the reason for the budget amendment, the revenue codes, the increase in revenues, as well as the expenditure codes and expense amounts. We have carry forwards, which are carrying forward budget authority from the prior year because something didn't get finally closed out or a contract wasn't finished. And budget transfers, these don't increase revenues or expenditures, but just move items between various account codes. And we just always want to be transparent with any changes that are happening within the budget. That concludes my presentation. Please let me know if anyone has any questions. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Ms. Griffin. Appreciate that. Do we have any council questions? Any council questions on this agenda item? Okay. Pretty short and sweet. Not seeing any questions. Then we'll go ahead and take the main motion. And that will be Councillor Nugent, please. President Nugent. Thank you, Mayor Davis. I move City Council adopt the resolution for the third quarter fiscal year 2026 amendments to the annual appropri ations. All right. Thank you very much. Main motion is on the floor. It opens the public hearing. Is there any public comment on this agenda item? Not seeing any in the room. I'll go ahead and check online here. Mr. Larson, your hand is up. Public comment. Go ahead and unmute yourself, please. Yes. I was hoping that you could make an accommodation as I was trying to comment on the proclamation and then give a general comment. But I'll comment concerning this item just so as I won't be cut off again. I would like transparency with the city's IT department and a full accounting of all AI and data center adjacent products such as the Axon and evidence.com 400 or $500,000 four year contract for the police videos that we aren't allowed to see for up to two years. When it comes to the video we're about to see on Friday for the first time from May 2024. So I don't know why we spend money on the cloud stuff if we 're not allowed to see what's actually happening or hear about it in our community or actually talk about it in public meetings. But as it pertains to the budget, this is very important because in the city and in the county of which people are very concerned about AI, the city and the county engage in up to $1 to $3 million of commerce across the board with AI adjacent systems. These are systems that we can host locally. These are systems where we can actually own something and actually service something but instead we're just spending money $1 to $3 million on the very problem that people are concerned about. But again, let's see the videos from the cloud Friday 9:00 AM courtroom for county courthouse. Thanks for allowing me to speak and being so compassionate for people with disabilities as they engage in the public process, Miss Lady Mayor. Thank you for your comments, Mr. Larson. Anybody else want to make a public comment on this agenda item? Okay. Not seeing any. That wraps up our public comment. We'll bring it back to any council comment. Any council comment? Okay. Not seeing any. Then we'll go ahead and do a roll call vote. Roll call vote, please. All right. Voting on this evening's first motion. A resolution for the third quarter fiscal year 2026 amendments, beginning with Anderson. Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Becerra? Yes. Campbell? Yes. Krask? Yes. Jones? Yes. Jordan? Yes. McCoy? Yes. Yes. Melson? Yes. Yes. Nugent? Yes. Ponton? Yes. And Cheryl? Yes. That item passes unanimously. Okay. Thank you all very much. Appreciate that. Our next public hearing is item 6.2. It is the Edward Byron Justice Assistance Grant known as JA G 2025 Memorandum of Understanding. Mike Collier, you're here to present. Mike Collier, you're here to present. Chief, welcome. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Davis and Council members. As a matter of record, my name is Michael Collier. I am the city police chief. is item 6.2 it is the Edward Byrne Edward Byron Byrne justice assistance grant known as JAG 2025 memorandum of understanding and we have our chief of police Michael you're here to present chief welcome thank you good evening Mayor Davis and council members as a matter of record my name is Michael Collier I am the city police chief I'm here to describe a memorandum of understanding between the city of Missoula and Missoula County and allow for public comment on this memorandum of understanding it relates to the Edward Byrne justice assistance grant a grant which we have been a recipient of for decades with the county the most recent award is for 76 ,084 dollars the city of Missoula is the fiduciary organization for this so we will be providing pass-through funds to the county in the amount of 15,812 dollars and the county will use those to offset partial wages for a property clerk assigned within the sheriff's office the balance of the funds will be used by the city of Missoula assigned to this city police department for four projects the first three projects are all online subscription-based platforms that help us in a variety of efficiencies and the fourth is a training aid so the first three online subscription-based platforms do three different functions the first one is to help us with our online submissions for arrest and search warrants and process and processing those warrants through municipal and district court the second is to allow for briefing training online training training and recruit management the third is to manage our pre-employment background investigations and the fourth project which is the training aid is to to buy equipment consumables and personal protective gear to provide a reality-based force on force training for our officers so those four projects combined to sixty thousand two hundred and seventy two dollars combined with the fifteen thousand eight hundred twelve to the county for the total award of seventy six thousand and eighty four dollars happy to take any questions if you have any questions great thank you very much chief any questions any questions for chief collier not seeing any from council members then we'll go ahead and hear the motion on the floor we'll open up the public hearing thank you very much all right uh counselor anderson i believe that this is the public safety and operations committee as the chair turning this over to you it is yes thank you so much thank you thank you so much madam mayor i make the recommended motion to uh approve and authorize you to sign a memorandum of understanding with Missoula County to accept and expend the funds associated with the Edward Byrne Justice Assistance Grant, short for JAG, for the year, I do believe it's supposed to be 2026, even though on the agenda it says 2025. The chief can correct me if that's right or not, but that is the motion on the floor. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Councillor Anderson. This opens up the public hearing, and we offer the opportunity for the public to comment on this agenda item. If there's any member of the public in the audience that wishes to come join us, come on up now . Okay. Not seeing any members in the audience that wish to make public comment on this agenda item. Mr. Larson, I see your hands up, but would you like to make a comment on this agenda item? Yes. Thank you for allowing me to speak again. It's great to have the chief explain this stuff to us, but it's kind of a sands of any actual detail. Like, what are the names of the softwares, and what are the names of the things being purchased? It seems pretty ambiguous. And what's also ambiguous is the lack of policy for digital forensics, bi ometrics, facial recognition, and ALPR, which has been requested by members of the public by the city police, by the sheriffs, and by the, like, from all those entities. So, as these systems expand, such as, like, the new camera on the courtyard of the university, it becomes more of an interest to the city council to kind of get into, like, what these grants are used for, and how the overlap of technology and public-facing surveillance is used. MPD already uses images from the flock cameras that are at Southgate Mall that are at the Lowe's parking lot, and they're just being deployed more and more. So, we'd like to see the policy that's required by 46-5-117, which says as soon as you guys get those images, you have to have a policy for how long you retain them, who gets to see them, and all that good stuff. There needs to be audits yearly of the records. Instead, we have one year of seizures of cell phones by MPD equaling up to 16 terabytes. That's more than the F-15 files, guys, and that's one year. And so, if that's just a never-ending database, that also costs us money, because that's a lot of data. And anyway, it's products like Cellubrite that show up on your claims. It's products like a block, which MPD still has not ruled out that they might even just buy amongst all of this discussion nationally regarding this. So, I'd be wary of any extra funding we're giving MPD, and where it's actually going versus, you know, it's administrative, it's this, it's that. What is the name of the product? Please. Thank you. Thank you for your comments, Mr. Larson. There is an additional person online wishing to make public comment with the last, the phone number ending in 1655. I believe you're unmuted. Go ahead and begin your public comment, and I'll time you for your three minutes on this side. Hey, can you hear me? We certainly can. Travis McKeer. Yeah, so 26-year Missoula resident. I just wanted to make a public comment in regards to the training that law enforcement does. So, that would be both city police, possibly the sheriff's office. I'm not entirely sure. But I'm glad that law enforcement is able to benefit from the blight we have on the hip strip. And so, that property that used to be the Missoula building , there's somewhat regular training sessions that seem to happen. There's a lot of law enforcement from time to time in the parking lot. And I would just love to know more about the training that 's happening on this blighted property once owned by the Missoula. One of the reasons is because there seems to be regular trespassing that happens on that property. I've spoken with Burt with to let him know that there are fences that he's not able to apparently keep updated and maintained. There's also not a lot of grass cutting that seems to go on . So, as we think about blight as a city and development, as the city council gives handouts to developers, especially the WGM groups or taxing and financing, I just wish the blighted former Missoula building could find someone to maybe mow the grass, fix the fence, and so the drug addicts could not deface Bibles and do awful things on property. And then maybe law enforcement might just share more about what training is happening so that when the bridge personnel, the people that are like serving pizza to the community, they don't know why cops are all of a sudden like over there. Sometimes it makes them worried when they see lots of law enforcement. So maybe more disclosure on how the money, the training, and then our well-trained law enforcement, that would be helpful, I think. So that's my public comment. Thanks so much, guys. Thank you for your comment this evening. I'm not seeing any additional hands raised. That wraps up our public comment on this agenda item. I'll bring this back to city council for any follow-up questions or any comments from council before we take a vote. Okay. All right. Not seeing any, then, Ms. Trimble, we can do a roll call vote on this agenda item, please. All right. Voting to authorize the mayor to sign a memorandum of understanding with the Missoula County to accept and expend the funds related to the JAG grant, beginning with Becerra. Yes. Campbell. Yes. Krask. Yes. Jones. Yes. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Aye. Nelson. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Ponton. Yes. Cheryl. Yes. And Anderson. Yes. And that item passes unanimously. Okay. Thank you all very much. Thank you, Chief, for coming down this evening. Congratulations on the grant award. And just for a moment, just to answer your question, Councillor Anderson, it was a 2025 grant award, which is why the motion did have 25 in it, because it's a 25 grant application for funding in 2026. Okay. Great. Thank you all very much. Appreciate it. All right. Item 6.3 is an ordinance amending Missoula Municipal Code 12.44. And we have, we have, we have somebody here from, yes, we have somebody here from the city cemeteries presenting this evening. Come on up. Good evening, Council members and Mayor Davis. My name is Brett Gilman, and I'm the cemetery superintendent here for the city of Missoula. I'm here tonight requesting approval for a couple of ordinance amendments that we're seeking. Over the past several months, we've been researching green burial to see if that's something that the cemetery wanted to offer. After having conversations with several other professionals and members of the public, it was an overwhelmingly positive response. So we, the cemetery and the board decided to move forward with this to offer this service. Our current ordinances require any casket burials to be interred in a concrete liner. So we are adding language allowing the vaultless green bur ials, as long as they meet the green burial requirements, which are providing a death certificate, a signed proof form of authorized stating, authorized professional stating that embalming has not taken place. Use them of an approved biodegradable casket. And the other amendment we're seeking to add is to add language to prohibit without permission, the use of any unm anned aerial systems, such as drones, airplanes, and rockets . The intent behind this amendment is to eliminate any chance of a funeral service being interrupted, to ensure the seren ity of the grounds enjoyed by the public, and of course, the safety of staff and members of the public. That's it. I'd be happy to answer any questions if anybody has any. Great. Thank you, Mr. Gilman. I think you do have one question at least. Councilor Jordan, please. It's just a comment. Is that okay? We'll wait for comments. How about we run through her? Yeah. Appreciate that. And it certainly is okay. We'll just hold off for just a brief second here. So any questions for Mr. Gilman? No? Yeah. Yeah. Councilor Krask. Thank you. I'm really excited about the green burials, and I think it 's really just interesting and great that we're doing that. I am curious about if there are considerations about wildlife and, you know, with, with this process. Yeah, sure. That's a popular question. We met with, called the Green Burial Society. They're a national organization. They gave us a lot of guidance on this. And there's an 18-inch sniff factor, I guess they call it. So anything deeper than that will not be detected by wildlife. They do recommend that a green burial be buried at three feet to help speed up the decomposition process. Okay. Any follow-up questions? I'd like to know more about sniff factors. Yeah. It's not for tonight. I mean, Mr. Gilman gives a great tour of the city cemetery. If you've been, great. Excellent. Yeah. It's a beautiful place. It's a beautiful place. All right. Any additional questions? Any additional questions? Yes, Counselor Jones, please. My hand keeps going down, but I keep rising it. If you, so I love the green burial. I think that's a great thing to be offering. If you'll indulge me, I just know that several years ago, I believe there was some kind of a pet cemetery or pet, I'm not sure what it is. A pet wall, I guess. Would you mind telling us about that? Because I know it's been very popular and I love getting word out about that anytime we can. Sure. So there was an ordinance passed prior to me being in this position that was for like a memorial wall with an ossuary, it's called, where the remains of your pet would be placed into essentially a hole in the ground. And then their name, if they chose to have it, you know, would be engraved on a memorial wall. That has kind of gotten pushed to the back burner. Still talked about somewhat, but it's not quite as high a priority, I guess. Everything has gone up in cost and we're trying to, we're getting it budgeted for this next coming fiscal year to add a couple more niche walls for human remains, which is extremely expensive. And so that's kind of where our focus is at. Got it. Thank you. I appreciate that. Because I know it was discussed a few years ago and didn't know where that had landed. And I guess it is not necessarily happening at this point, but it is still on the shelf. I think that was like 2019. They talked about it. Got it. In our ordinances. All right. Thank you for your questions. Any additional questions? All right. Not seeing any additional questions. Thank you, Mr. Gilman. We'll go ahead and hear the main motion from our Public Works Chair, Myrta Becerra. Counselor Becerra. Thanks. I move that we approve, that we adopt an ordinance amending the Missoula Municipal Code Chapter 12.44 entitled Cemeter ies to add language prohibiting the use of unmanned aerial devices on cemetery property and authorizing vaultless green burials. Okay. Thank you, Counselor. So this opens up the public hearing and we welcome any public comment on this agenda item. I'll start with folks in the room. Any public comment on this agenda item? Okay. Not seeing any public comment in the room. I do see that there is a hand raised online. Mr. Larson, please go ahead and unmute yourself. And we'll wait for your public comment on this agenda item. Okay. Thanks for allowing me to speak. This is Mats Larson. So three feet of soil over the thing is over the body is or site is what's required by law. And so that's a lot different than a depth of three feet. And so I'm just wondering why and what sort of like flood plain analysis has been done of this site? Like what sort of drainage and aquifer analysis has been done of this site? Are there active wells that are near this place? Because this green burial thing, as far as I've researched it, although it sounds very trendy and like the vibes are great, it might have some bigger liability concerns that I think Glenn Jones was getting at. But I couldn't really tell with what she was asking, you know, in regards to a pet cemetery that was run by a private company, not a city or a county municipal site. So I'd like some clarity first, I guess, on whether we're now just digging three feet deep to bury bodies in a green fashion, or if there's just a three foot state law amount of soil over them. And, you know, I totally get why you don't want drones over there, especially if you're going to see somebody's nose from the drone that's been recently buried there after it rains. And not to mention just all the weird health implications. I don't know, cholera, like, I don't know, just stuff we learned in like the 1800s with wells in like, you know, Europe, Western Europe, and like kind of foundational science, you know, medicine stuff. For the community community health. I know no one really cares about the north side on that council, but as we saw with our last election. But anyway, thank you. Thank you for your comments, Mr. Larson. All right, I'm not seeing any additional hands raised online. So we will wrap up our public comment and bring it back to city council comments and questions. Councilor Jordan. Yeah, thank you. I just wanted to say, since this has been advertised, I've had multiple constituents reach out to me to say thank you for doing green burials. And so I just wanted to let you know that people are listening and they appreciate it. So thank you. Good. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Nugent. Thank you, Mayor Davis. I think if given that the cemetery folks might not come or pay attention to council regularly, I think it's important to note that we value your professionalism and trust the research you've done on this work. And I think it's good to offer these options. And I'm happy that the city employs such competent people who look into these things. Appreciate that. Thank you, President Nugent. Councillor McCoy. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I was just hoping maybe that Glenn could get up and clarify the, you know, the depth and the burials here to just clear the air for the public on what you stated. It was pretty clear to me, but maybe if you could come up and restate the depths and maybe your standard operating procedures. Well, our standard operating procedures as it stands is Mr. Gilman, go ahead and raise that mic up closer to you just so we can make sure we can hear you well for the record. Thanks. Standing operating procedures as it stands is as close to six feet as we can get it, but they're buried in a concrete water. It's I believe it's part of the what we're asking to get in this amendment is at a minimum of three feet of depth. Um, I'm unaware of a state law that states that there's a three foot minimum. Um, so I, like I said, I'm unaware of that. That's an actual state law. Great. Thank you for that clarification. So a minimum of three feet. Great. Thank you. Okay. Any additional comments or questions? All right. Not seeing any then looks like we're ready for a roll call vote. Ms. Trimble. All right. Voting on an ordinance amending Missoula Municipal Code Chapter 12.44 regarding the cemeteries beginning with Campbell. Yes. Krask. Yes. Jones. Yes. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Yes. Nelson. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Fonten. Yes. Cheryl. Yes. Anderson. Yes. And Becerra. Yes. That item also passes unanimously. Okay. Okay. Thank you all very much. And Mr. Gilman. Thanks for coming down for the public hearing this evening. And also for working with your team to advance burial options for our residents here in and around Missoula. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Okay. That wraps up all of our public hearings this evening. And so we have no new business. And we will next move on to the consent agenda. Items on the consent agenda were approved in city council committees to be placed on the consent agenda to save time at council meetings by voting on them as a package. The city clerk will read the list aloud so citizens watching on MCAT will know what is on the consent agenda. We'll invite community comment on these items before we vote. All right. Ms. Trimble, take it away, please. All right. On this evening's consent agenda, we begin with accounts payable for checks dated May 26, 2026. In the amount of $1,289,742.24. We have another motion to approve accounts payable or checks claimed for data. Checks dated June 2, 2026. In the amount of $3,386,849.68. We have a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign an agreement with HDR Engineering, Inc. for construction administration and observation services for the Lamoureux Ranch and Maloney Ranch step decommission ing projects in an amount not to exceed $126,861. And finally, we have a motion to adopt a resolution to authorize the mayor to sign an adoption of the voluntary energy conservation standard as presented by staff. Okay. Thank you very much. And I will ask if there's any council members that wish to separate an item or announce intend to abstain. And Councillor Campbell already informed me that he wishes to separate item 9.1. Are there any other council members that wish to separate any other item on the consent agenda? Okay. Not seeing any, then Ms. Trimble will go ahead and separate item 9.1. And we'll take public comment on the consent agenda. Any items on the consent agenda? Mr. Larson. Mr. Larson. Okay. There it goes. I just wanted to acknowledge that we're spending $4 million this week. We're approving $4 million in claims roughly. And another $100,000, which I've lost count how many hundreds of thousands of dollars we've spent on the stairs to nowhere, which I like to call them by the Paparella Center, which is, I guess, what we're talking about. Why were they built? Why are they being removed? These are all questions to the tune of maybe a million dollars at this point. Once this is all said and done. But, yeah, it's one of those sleepy time questions. You know, it's one of those, you know, just reoccurring questions, you know, like $500,000 cloud subscriptions for the police department. If we can't even see the videos for two years of an event that happened at the Southgate Mall in May 2024. We're just now viewing them on Friday. Courtroom 4. County Courthouse. Missoula County. Ross M. Robertson's Coroner's Inquest. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Larson. All right. I don't see any other members of the public with their hands raised for public comment on the consent agenda. So we'll go ahead and carry forward with the vote on the consent agenda here. We'll separate item 9.1 and we'll go ahead and dispense of that item first. So how about item 9.1 and, Councillor Campbell, do you wish to make a comment? Thank you, Madam Mayor. Appreciate the opportunity. Just really quick. I'm voting on 9.1. On page 7, I'm not going to share my screen, but for the record, May 26, accounts payable, page 7, DJNA. We're looking at spending $274,000 plus or minus dollars for the Downtown SAM project. I've a number of times voiced my opposition to that project . Just really quick, I find it interesting. There was an interesting article from a news publication up the Flathead a couple weeks ago about how they altered their $24 million Safe Streets for All grant by taking out the three-lane Main Street project that no business down there wanted. So State Council's like, great, we hear you, fine. We'll change it. And they made some changes and they got unanimous approval for a new project there. I just wish we were more attentive to needs of downtown business. Appears to be the case. So I'll be voting no. All right. Thank you for your comments on that, Councillor Campbell. Any other council members wish to comment on item 9.1 before we do a roll call on that item? All right. Not seeing anything, Ms. Trimble will do roll call on item 9.1, please. All right. Beginning the vote on item 9.1, accounts payable for checks dated May 26, beginning with craft. Yes. Yes. Jones. Yes. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Aye. Melson. Yes. Nugent. Aye. Haunton. Yes. Cheryl. Yes. Anderson. Yes. Yes. Becerra. Yes. And Campbell. No. That item has 10 in favor, one opposed. The item passes. Okay. Thank you very much. And then we can do a voice vote on the remaining consent agenda items, please. All right. Voting on this evening's consent agenda, starting with item 9.2 and below. All in favor say aye. Aye. And any opposed? All right. That passes unanimously. All right. Thanks everybody. That wraps up our consent agenda. We don't have any business under agenda item 10, which is regular business. So we'll next move on to public comment for items that are not on the agenda. This time is for folks that have not already commented this evening on items that are not on the agenda. And so I don't see anybody in the audience here. How about online? Again, this is for folks that have not previously commented . And Mr. Larson, you did comment during the meeting. All right. All right. Thanks everybody. That wraps up our consent agenda. We don't have any business under agenda item 10, which is regular business. So we'll next move on to public comment for items that are not on the agenda. This time is for folks that have not already commented this evening on items that are not on the agenda. You did comment during your public comment. So there is an unknown user. If you've not commented on public on items that are not on the agenda, you're welcome to now. But it is the council rules that you are allowed one opportunity for items that are not on the agenda. So Mr. Larson, I'm sorry, but you have already commented and I will move on to the unknown user, please. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you this from the side and see if it works. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. 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I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I'll go ahead and try to unmute you. I am still, you know, real sad about this culverting the waterway. And I do think it needs to be clear that all of the water way that has changed from its route, whether it's in the park or under these new four-story cond os, will be City of Missoula liability and responsibility in perpetuity. The minutes from our last meeting have Anderson stating or finding clarification. It would only be through the park that we're responsible, but that's really not my understanding. So I hope that there's good clarity around these choices as we're committing so much public money to back a black rock backed company for this. It's just really weird to me how much the people in Missou la are having to subsidize and not get paid for five years with no interest. This is just a real unusual deal. I'm concerned that when MAP and MRA are done with us that a lot of Mozilla is going to be corporate owned by, I don't know if it's Whole Foods or Trader Joe's we've got coming in. Anyway, I feel like I'm over my three minutes, but just I do want to remember that neighbor Ross that died. But we do remember him every day out on the campus. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Schreiber. Thank you for your comments this evening. Okay. And like I said, this public comment for items that are not on the agenda are for folks that have not had the chance yet. Okay. All right. Not seeing anybody that's not had a chance yet. So we'll go ahead and yeah. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I thought that was you, Gwen. All right. Gwen, go ahead and unmute yourself. It's a singular name, Gwen. Who has their hand up? Gwen, can you unmute yourself on your side? Looks like you're unmuted. Looks like you're unmuted. Yeah. All right. Gwen, I'm not hearing you. I'm not sure if you're unable to mute. This might also be you. There's a person calling in with the number ending in 3844. 3844. Can you unmute yourself, please? Go right ahead. Looks and you're unmuted. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Great. Thanks. This is Mary Giuliani. I wanted to first say thank you for all the really great and informative public comments tonight. I think it really highlights why it's important to have community-based conversations where more voices are included. I also wanted to follow up on the Midtown Commons development. We have been told publicly that a couple different things. One, that there was a comprehensive environmental assessment that had been done on the site prior to the sale . That turned out to be incorrect. Annette stated that on May 18th. She said that she had misspoken that there was actually no comprehensive assessment, environmental assessments that had been conducted. And another question that I had submitted on Engage Missou la months ago pertains to the trees there. The response said that an arborist had assessed the trees. Most of them were Siberian Elm and Cottonwood. And that many were unhealthy and they were dying. And that they were short-lived species of trees. I did a public records request. I asked for the arborist report. It turns out no report exists. So again, misinformation about what has happened with the sale of this land. So I'm really hoping that there's more transparency to come . I know that there is still a few more public hearings that need to take place. There needs to be notices in order for those public hearings to take place. And I'm looking forward to that. Thank you. Thank you for your comments this evening, Mary. All right. Gwen, your hand is still raised. If you're able to unmute, go ahead now. Okay. Great. All right. Hand is down. All right. That is all folks online who have not had a chance to speak on public comment on items that are not on the agenda. We will then wrap up with that item. So I'll move on to communications from the mayor to share that. And you might have seen council members in an email today that went out to members of the press, a press release, that the city closed on the riverfront triangle. We have sold the land to the developer, as you saw in the press release. And the press release, if you didn't have a chance to see it, I'll just do some highlights. This is a really major deal. This has been more than 30 years in the making. There's some really fun anecdotes in that's been covered in some of the press coverage throughout this whole process. But we are really thrilled to see this project move forward . So that is, you know, just as a reminder, this is literally only the parking lot. People, we get questions sometimes. When are we going to take down the parking structure there? We don't own the parking structure. That's private property. It's on private land. There's private land that is to the west of the riverfront triangle and to the north of it, across Front Street. We do understand that there's been a lot of interest from private developers looking to purchase that land from the current property owner, which is a private property owner. So, as suspected, having the riverfront triangle move forward, get into private hands and moving forward with the 180 bed hotel and entertainment facility downtown, also a conference facility, gave some probably assuredness to those other developers interested in that space. So we'll see a lot more activity be happening soon. But as a reminder for the public benefit associated with this, we sold the land for $4 million. That will, over time, come into the Affordable Housing Trust Fund. We are utilizing that money to help bridge the infrastructure investment that's needed there. But not only will the land proceeds come into the Affordable Housing Trust Fund with the aim for a contribution of approximately $350,000 by September of this year. But this deal, we struck a deal with the developers for a voluntary contribution from this group to generate an additional $3 million into the Affordable Housing Trust Fund over 10 years. So that is a 1% basically gross sales contribution into the Affordable Housing Trust Fund. So that will be great. This hotel will have 180 rooms, 15,000 square feet of conference and event space, a parking facility, new trail connectivity, and a public riverfront plaza. So with the new riverfront trail and riverfront plaza are going to be incredible public amenities, as well as the contribution to the Affordable Housing Trust Fund. So this council authorized the sale several months ago, and I'm just happy to share with you that indeed we have closed and that project is moving forward. So very excited about that. All right. So I'll just leave my comments there and go ahead and start with council comments and Councillor Jones, start with you. Thank you. Thank you. It's fantastic news and it's been decades and decades of hopes and dreams and now it's finally come true. So I'm really excited about the riverfront triangle. So, um, two things I wanted to mention tonight. First, I wanted to put a shout out to the Rose Park neighborhood council leadership team. They led a cleanup in the Rose Park neighborhood. Um, they had a dumpster and there were all sorts of different stuff. It sounds like there were furniture from folks moving out of apartments and all sorts of different things. Um, special thank you to Carly McDonald and Molly Mohan, who, um, pretty much did the heavy lifting by themselves on the whole thing. So I hope next year there's a big group that turns out it, um, it was a really rainy day. Does not help to get a big turnout, but thanks to Carly and Molly. You guys did a great job. Um, the second thing I wanted to mention was that, um, there was a tribute today. My understanding is at, um, Jacob's Island for Dana Ehrlich and her dog Bamba, who, um, last year, uh, died in the Clark Fork River. This young woman who was traveling through Missoula and just such a sad situation where, um, she and her dog died in the river during the winter time. Um, I guess it was her 35th birthday today. Um, she and the, um, police and also her family did a lovely tribute. And I just want to put a, put a message out to the family that, um, that entire situation, I think touched our community very, very deeply. Um, so our hearts go out to you and I'm glad there was a tribute for her. Thank you very much. Appreciate your comments. Councillor Jones. Thank you. Councillor Becerra. I'll pass. Thank you. All right. You bet. Councillor Ponton. Thanks, Mayor Davis. Uh, just two quick thoughts. Um, just with the comments earlier, uh, just reminded of my time earlier this year in the citizens law enforcement academy. That's a really awesome thing that the police department puts on. So if that's something you're interested in, haven't done that in the past, I can't recommend it enough. It's very enlightening. And then very excited to talk about AI and data centers, but it's just me rhetorically speaking, but I will just say for anybody who's interested, um, that project is before the Missoula County consolidated land use board and the developer seeking a special exception. And my understanding based on an update that the county posted last week is that that was supposed to be heard on July 1st with the request for additional documents that is going to get pushed. So that hearing is going to happen later. So that's something you're interested in. You can go to the Missoula County voice sites for updates there. And it's. Appreciate you providing that additional information. Thank you. Councillor Ponton. Councillor Kraske. I'll pass tonight. Thank you. You bet. Councillor Melson. I'll also pass. All right. Councillor Jordan. Yeah, I just want to also thank the Franklin of the fort, um, community council or neighborhood council and Franklin of the fort neighbors in action for putting on an excellent cleanup last Saturday. Um, and a special thanks to will and Clint little Frazier, who have just been really working hard to make Franklin to the fort, um, a real community. Um, and I was not there because I was out chainsawing, um, a route for a big race next weekend. So I couldn't go, but it was a wet day. There was good turnout. And I just greatly appreciate the folks who keep Franklin to the fort, um, feeling like a community. Thanks. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Councillor McCoy. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Just a couple of things. Um, wanting to segue from the Franklin to fort, um, leadership teams, cleanup river road, um, leadership team also did a cleanup this weekend in the rain. Um, it sounded like also challenging to get volunteers, but , uh, they did great work and just wanted to express my appreciation to both the river road and Franklin to fort groups for their efforts. Um, I also wanted to give a big shout out to all of the first responders for Sunday's fire out at Axman's. Um, I got lucky enough. I will say for me as an ex firefighter to be out there delivering my son to basketball and got to kind of see the show happen. Um, not only was our own fire department involved, but there was also Missoula rural fire was leading the show. French town fire was there. Florence fire was there as well as East Missoula fire. There are no fire hydrants in that vicinity. And they had nine tenders doing laps around, um, the neighborhoods going from fire hydrants to Axman's to supply water. And, um, they just did an exceptional job getting that fire out in a short amount of time. And I just wanted to give them some kudos for that effort. Um, and if I missed anybody, um, Sheriff's department, Miss oula County Sheriff's department was also there. And if I missed anybody, my apologies. Thank you very much, council McCoy. Appreciate that. Didn't have that level of detail. I knew there was, um, quite a joint operation, but I can imagine, um, the severity of a hundred scrap, um, vehicles pretty intense. Yeah. Thank you. Councillor Campbell. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Mayor. I'm just a reminder. Tomorrow is primary day. Uh, you have to 8:00 PM to get your ballots in. So at this point, pretty much, I would say committed to handling your ballot, uh, again, to elections office at Wyoming and Russell. I, we have a drop off point at the fairgrounds still. I believe so. I think so. But if you're not sure you got the elections office right there, Wyoming and Russell, and then a quick shout out to, uh, Sentinel High School, AA inaugural baseball champions, Montana. First championship and they get the first, uh, first championship for the state at the AA level. So congratulations to Sentinel High School. That's excellent. Thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks. Uh, quickly, just to follow up, um, from the public comment er early, earlier, and I know you responded to this, but the data center will not come in front of city council. I just, I mean, I, I think that many times the, what comes in front of the county and what comes in front of the city gets a little bit confused. Obviously, uh, I'm sure all of us around this table have some opinions on it, but I appreciate Justin talking about, um, when that works. Um, when that will come before the county commissioners. Um, when that will come before the county commissioners, because if you do want to weigh in on that, that is the time to do it. Um, we're happy to hear your thoughts on it here at council . I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from coming in, but, uh, really, if you, uh, want to try to affect the vote on that. Um, it needs to be at the planning. Um, what, what's the full name of that now? Um, consolidated, Justin. That's the Missoula County consolidated planning board. Yeah. They're seeking a special exemption. If that's approved, then it goes to. Great. Thank you. Appreciate that. So just a reminder. Great. Thank you. Appreciate that. So just a reminder. Great. Thank you very much. Councillor. Councillor Nugent. I think, mayor Davis. Um, I won't repeat the, the data setter information. Um, it got delayed because they are the counties requested more information and they need to get that from the applicant. So, um, as Councillor Cheryl said, there people have been emailing us as well and happy to read them, but we are not a decision maker on that. Um, Mr. Campbell, Councillor Campbell, there is the drop box, uh, by the Y between, um, the Y and C and the fair grounds normal spot. There's also McCormick park, 600 Craig Lane and out at hell gate elementary. Those are for elections day. So they'll be open all day, 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM. Um, or you can go to the election center or your regular polling places are open because this is different than the city elections. So just, uh, getting that out there. Um, I do want to address a little bit of public comment earlier about the Franklin crossing project. Um, the majority of that will be, uh, deed restricted permanently if we're going to be a little bit. Um, housing using low income housing tax credits. Um, there, there is a part that will be purchased separately and they're going to create, um, townhouses. And I actually liked that in the project because it's, it's different housing types in the same area as opposed to kind of excluding and keeping separate. Um, yes, there's a lot of parking. Um, I wish it was underground underground parking is about a hundred thousand dollars. A spot last I heard that could be up or down, but just, um, they're working with a lot. And I, I, I bring that up because we've talked a lot about all the different housing types in, um, this chamber recently. And we do, the city has invested in a, um, community land trust housing project that there are units available right now. One of the big things that we know about community land trusts is you don't want to oversaturate. So we do not want to have another one going while, um, our investment in the current one is out there. We need people to be able to buy those. And that's a slower process because as I discussed two weeks ago, um, deed restrictions on home ownership opportunities are just notoriously harder to fill than rent als. They're just different products, even though it seems like it should be similar. Um, and I'll point out that the Franklin crossing project, uh, preliminary approval from the Montana board of housing. It is a project of the Missoula housing authority and their partners. And some of the quotes that the Montana board of housing said was like a once in a lifetime project, a generational project. Um, the funding stack on that project is incredible. The number of sources, um, that funding has to come from to make something like that work is. That work is in the teens. If I recall, right. Um, if I'm wrong on that, someone could correct me, but it 's a significant number and there's a lot of different things go into that. So I just want to correct, um, some of the information that implies that the city isn't constantly thinking about these things and that Franklin crossing, if it crosses the finish line is going to be looked at as a generational project that uses every tool available right now to put housing in the middle of town. And I'm proud that the city is part of it. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Appreciate your comments there. Thanks for providing some additional context. Um, I hope that the folks that came in to make public comment in regards to the project have a chance to watch the council meeting, or maybe you're watching it at home right now or watch it later for that additional information and facts. I think it's really helpful as part of the conversation. Councillor Anderson online. Do you have any council comments this evening? Thanks so much, Madam Mayor. Just really quickly appreciate the comments from Mr. McCoy about the response to axiom inspire. Um, but I want to take an opportunity to say a special congratulations to all the Missoula County public school, high school seniors who will be graduating this upcoming weekend. Um, it's a very exciting time to be graduating. And so there will be lots of people in and about town for all of those festivities. So be aware, and I just think that there is, you know, a kind of, um, some symmetry with the fact that we will be acknowledging gun violence and, and the effects it has on young people the same weekend that so many of our young people are starting their next exciting chapters in their lives. So, um, congratulations to everyone, uh, for all of their hard work and best wishes on all their exciting and future endeavors. And I hope that they have a safe and happy weekend. That's it. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Absolutely. Thank you, Councillor. And, uh, yes, indeed. Congratulations to all graduating seniors, uh, in Missoula this coming weekend. With that, I will go ahead and adjourn our meeting at 7:32 PM. Thanks very much, everybody. Have a great night. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So we will do our roll call by neighborhood council. So when I just say your neighborhood, unmute your mic and say your name. And then we will see if we have quorum. So we'll get started with Captain John Mullen. Okay. Okay. Far views, Patty Canyon. Jacob Mortensen here. Great. Thanks, Jacob. Franklin of the four. Clint, little Frazier. Great. Grant Creek. Heart of the four. I'll see. Heart of Missoula. Heart of Missoula. Ellen Parker. Lewis and Clark. Lower rattlesnake. Miller Creek. Moose. Moose. Moose. Moose. Can gully. South 39th. North side, west side. North side, west side. Yes, I'm here. It took me a minute to unmute. Great. Thanks, Gretchen. Riverfront. River Road. Yep. Kate Wilson's here. Thank you. Rose Park. Sean Hazer for Rose Park. Southgate Triangle. University District. And Upper Rattlesnake. Judy Mullen for Upper Rattlesnake. All right. Thank you all so much. So we do not have quorum right now, but we'll check back in to see if folks are just going to be coming in a little later. So with that, we don't have any minutes to be voted on today anyways. So we'll see if there's any public comment on non-agenda items. It doesn't look like it. None online. So we will move to our presentation tonight. And so I'll just hand the reins over to Karen. Hi, I'm Karen Hughes. I direct the county's planning, sustainability and development department, which is, I can't see you over there. Which is kind of similar to the CPDI department here at the city. And what I wanted to talk to you about is just give you a quick overview of the upcoming community wildfire planning process and point you to some resources and encourage you to share with your neighborhoods why they might want to get involved. We have a whole series of public workshops next week. It's our first round of public engagement. And so I wanted to just kind of highlight a few things. I'm going to stop talking for just a minute while I share my screen. I can do it the same. So this is the Missoula County voice page. You can find it at missoula county voice dot com. This is similar to the city's engage Missoula platform that you're probably pretty familiar with tracking projects. The community wildfire protection plan is a city county plan. It will the county is running the planning process, but it is always done for both the city and the county. The first one was done in 2005. The most recent one was done in 2018. And we are due for an update because there are some things there's some things that have changed. We had massive fires in the county in 2017 and there's been other fires recently. And so we need to update the data that we're using. There's new resources, new data, new analysis that we can use, and we can cover some new topics. We can improve safety and preparedness and provide new information that helps support requests for funding to reduce risk of wildfire for our communities. So on this, you can get the basics of a community wildfire protection plan. These are not land use plans. They're not zoning plans. They can be used to guide planning and zoning. They are collaborative plans done by the jurisdictions, the city and the county. They're done by agencies collaboratively with agencies. DNRC is the top agency that we work with, but also the BLM and the Forest Service. We work with the tribal government. And then we work with all the fire districts. And then we work with all the fire districts. In addition to all the other partners who work, who deal with private land management and public land management across both the city and the county. So parks, city parks is involved. The first responders are involved. There's a whole laundry list of folks who are involved. And really what we're supposed to be doing is working collaboratively to look at ways that we can reduce, make our forests more healthy and our landscapes more healthy by reducing fuels. And also create safer homes and safer neighborhoods. So there's going to be a lot in this about what homeowners and neighborhoods and communities can do to make it less likely that buildings will catch fire in a massive wildfire event, which we have been seeing. So a couple of key pieces of information, this plan, unlike past plans, will have more emphasis on what makes a fire adapted community and why folks should be focusing in on their home ignition zones as individual property owners and as neighborhoods. So there's a whole bunch of information on this site that people can go to, including. There is a connection to the county's wildfire mitigation program where folks can connect and have home assessments done. So as we're going through this process and people are thinking about, is my home ready? If there was a wildfire nearby and if we're seeing ember showers coming off the hillsides, there are things that folks can be doing now to maybe not in the rainstorm, but doing now to make their homes ready. Part of what we're trying to do before fire season gets into gear is have our first round of public engagement. And we have meetings all next week in Missoula on Monday, in Frenchtown on Tuesday, in Lolo on Wednesday, in Sealy Lake on Thursday. And there's also in the next few days, there will be a link put on this page for public survey as well. So people can provide information either by going to the workshops, they can just comment on the voice page, or they can check back for the survey if they want to, if they prefer to provide information that way. Or they can participate in all the different ways. To get word out so far, what we've done is, and I'd love to get feedback from you folks on how neighborhoods like to get their information, but we've done a countywide mailing city and county residents receive postcards over the weekend, or they should have. They were sent to every property, I think, in both the city and county as a kickoff to this process and encouragement to check out these workshops and also check out the voice page for more information and to track the project. We've also been putting it out on social media. We've put out a press release and we've been sharing it with email lists. So hopefully that information gets shared with your neighborhoods as well. This is, as I said, the first round, and it's really going to focus on what folks are concerned about when they hear about wildfire and are thinking about wildfire season. And then also what are folks thinking maybe as early recommendations that we should be including in the plan. So there's going to be opportunities right off the bat to influence what the plan looks like. There will be subsequent public engagement. Well, there'll be, this portal will be open all through the planning process, but there'll be subsequent rounds of in-person engagement. One in the fall when we're pulling together more information about the plan, but before it's done. And then next winter or spring, we'll have a draft plan for folks to comment on. So there should be multiple opportunities for folks to weigh in and hopefully it will meet their needs. But if you've got ideas about how we can get word out, that would be great. And then I guess the one other thing I wanted to point out is that we, in addition to this, serving as the point of contact, and you can see kind of the project timeline and what's coming up and, you know, things like that. This will also house where documents related to the planning process go. And then also resources as people are asking questions or wanting information. We'll put resources out here that people can access. A couple of things I like to point to, as I said, that we have this home ignition zone piece, and that's really about that zero to 100 foot radius, but the zero to five being the most important place that we can protect homes from catastrophic wildfire and the area immediately around folks' home. There's also a cool video done by Dr. Jack Cohen about how folks survive wildfire by taking care of their homes. And then there's the information about the county's wildfire mitigation program, some resources from DNRC and others. And we'll put more out there as people make suggestions or ask questions. And then I guess the last thing I wanted to leave you with is just kind of a whetting your appetite. We're, you know, folks in rural areas are very familiar with wildfire and they face it, they feel like they face it every year. But sometimes folks in neighborhoods in the city maybe don't feel quite as much like this is an issue for them. And I just want to point out, this is the draft wildfire hazard map. And, you know, so obviously as you get from yellow is moderate to red is extreme. And in the case of Missoula County, we start at like the 86th percentile. We're more at risk of wildfire than 86% of the counties in the United States. When we take a little closer look at that and kind of take a closer look at Missoula, that purple area, that's the ember cast zone. So when, if we have a catastrophic wildfire, the ember showers are shooting out a mile, mile and a half. And it does mean that the city of Missoula is in that area. So even when you get close to the heart of Missoula, it's still in the ember cast zones. Depending on where a fire is coming from, it's, you know, and where it's headed to. But it's just kind of point in fact that even in the middle of the city, we need to be thinking about this. So with that, I'll stop sharing. And I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. And if you have feedback on how we can get word out for city residents, I'd love that as well. All right. Any questions or thoughts? Yeah. Clint. Hello. Clint Whittle, Frazier, Franklin of the Fort. I know in my neighborhood, because I'm in Franklin of the Fort, we're in kind of the middle of the city, buffered by everything. And probably the largest concern that I hear from folks in the neighborhood is wildfire smoke and air quality. Yeah. As being a direct factor to us. And then, of course, like something catastrophic, I guess, could reach our neighborhood. But you were saying that, like, even the middle of the city is within, like, the ash zone or so. The ember zone. Can you explain more about that? Yeah. Yeah. It's when you see videos of wildfires where the wind is blowing and the sparks are shooting out. Those are firebrands. They're embers. And when there's a strong enough wind and hot enough, strong enough fire, those can travel a great deal of distance and enough to set mulch or, you know, get into a vent or a gutter. And that's where a lot of urban catastrophic wildfire happens is not because of a flame front. It happens because a little trailing fire along the ground or something that gets into someone's eaves starts the fire. And then the homes themselves become the fuel, if you will. So that's part of the reason we want to make sure that folks are aware that even maybe not in the center, but, you know, even in the, you know, in and around the city of Missoula, pretty far into the city of Missoula, people should be really paying attention to keeping their yards clean, keeping their gutters in good shape. Making sure that they're following best practices and getting vent coverings. There's a lot of things. You know, certainly the roof surface is important and the walls, but there's a lot of things people can do right around that zero to five feet, not having flammable vegetation like junipers right up against their foundations that can make things much safer for folks. And you're right. Smoke was not addressed in our last community wildfire protection plan. And so that's going to be one of the focal points to make sure we get that in our plan so that we can leverage funding to provide more resources to folks, because that's important, not just during wildfire events, but in order to get prescribed fire on the ground, we need to be able to have folks be safe in when there might be smoke in the air. Great. Any other questions? Any other questions? Any other questions? Any other questions? Any other questions? Any other questions? Any other questions? I would just like to question, I live in the upper Rattlesnake, and as you might imagine, we have had the emergency management people come. We've had a couple of wildfire presentations. So I'm thinking, I've heard like more or less the same things from three or four different sources. Is there one place that I should go to first? Oh boy, yeah. I think that probably the best resources is the county's, the best resources for the county wildfire mitigation program. There are, you're right, there are multiple resources and one of the, one of our goals for this is to try and get all that information co-located so people in Missoula aren't, you know, going to DNRC and the county and the city and whoever else, trying to get that all, Missoula County Fire Protection Association, trying to get all that information in a single portal. That's part of, that's part of what we hope will come out of this. It does get confusing. It's kind of the same messages we're getting over and over. Most importantly, the 911 number to record your number in there. Have a smart 911. Thank you. That's what it is. I remember the 911. But yeah, anyway, thank you. Yeah. Great. Any others? Any online? Yeah. Jacob here from Harvey's Betty Canyon. A note on the embers. I remember hearing somewhere that they can travel depending on the wind. We're talking one, two, even three miles. Yeah. The front of fire. So in that sense, yeah, if there's a big fire in Patty and you're sitting in university, you know, the flames might not reach you, but the embers certainly could depending on the wind. Yeah. Depending on the wind and the strength. The embers have to have enough energy to do something when they hit the ground. But yeah, if it's blowing pretty hard and sometimes in the afternoons on a hot summer day, the winds out of the canyons are going pretty good. Yeah, that's that's right. Then that's why that Embercast model looks like the whole city is covered. We'll be talking more. They'll have more information. The folks who developed the modeling that we're working with. The firm is named Jensen Hughes, and they'll be at these outreach meetings and able to answer some folks questions about that information. And we'll have more of the modeling work available as they as they get it tested by our technical advisory committee, which is folks from agencies all around Missoula. They'll be doing some field testing and making sure that it's not just modeling, but that people have thought about it, how that works in the field and whether or not it's accurate. Great. Any other thoughts? Any other thoughts? I do think that Gretchen was from Northside Westside was hoping to maybe get the presentation or that Embercast graphic emailed out possibly or you can find it on the online. We I don't have the presentation that Missoula County voice page is the is available and folks should be able to get to that and I'll make sure that you have the that web resource. We will get those maps posted probably after these open houses, they will be available at the open houses, but we'll try and get them up on the Missoula County voice page so people can have them available to take a closer look at. Yeah, and if they're if people come to the events they'll be able to see them there. Great. Any others. All right. Well, thank you so much. Great. All right. Well, our next item on our agenda is actually something that we were hoping to bring to the community forum to get voted on, but we will not be able to vote on it because we do not have quorum. But I'll give a quick little explanation of why we were going to ask community forum for this. So this item is the neighborhood cleanup dumpster rentals. We have usually for the neighborhood cleanup that is happening this coming weekend, the 30th and 31st. We usually work with partner with Parks and Recreation Garden City Compost and Republic Services to donate supplies and materials that are needed for the cleanup. And unfortunately, we did hear on Tuesday that Republic Services is not able to donate them this year. So they are charging. And because of that, it was about $287 per dumpster. Yeah. And so we decided there was only four neighborhoods who are still participating this coming weekend. And so since we were on such a tight timeline, we didn't feel like that was okay to let the neighbor or to have the neighborhoods pay for these dumpsters because that was an unforeseen expense that we weren't expecting. So we were thinking that so we dialed it down from I think we were looking at first four dumpsters, but that would be over $1,000 to just two dumpsters. And so the neighborhoods are going to be sharing this year. So we're going to be sharing this year. So we're going to be sharing this year. 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And so that is for neighborhoods to ask the community forum for specific expenditures or things like this, where it's, you know, spread out on the many neighborhoods. So that being said, since we do not have quorum tonight, we won't be able to ask for this price or this expenditure. So our office will be able to cover this expenditure this year. But this does kind of add into our conversation that that is not something that I, I mean, we've been talking internally about looking at how we can do this cleanup in a better way in the future. So we've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. We've been talking about the future. 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And I don't think it's fair to, unless you all choose to have a dumpster, to have that be an expense that comes out of your budget. So that's that. Is there any questions or thoughts about this year's cleanup or that idea? I'm wondering if there's enough overhead in people's like family bins to space it out between families or something. I feel like when we had a dumpster here in Barbies, like unless there was something ginormous like a couch or a bike or something, we could probably like personally take care of the trash if that's allowable or not. Yeah, totally. And I think that's something that we were thinking about with sharing dumpsters this year, because a lot of times neighborhoods don't even get close to filling up the big dumpsters. We've also looked into seeing if they could give us a smaller bin and that's hasn't been possible. So in the future, it could be a lot easier to do it. Yeah. With just like families in the neighborhood who are willing to pitch in with their trash bin. Definitely a lot more opportunities, I think. In the future. Yeah, Sean. Yeah, Sean. Yeah. Sean. Sean. Yeah. Do we know where they're going to be placed this year? Yep. So the Rose Park dumpster will be right off of Rose Park. So on Blaine Street, where it was two years ago. And then the other dumpster will be on Kemp Street by Franklin Park. And so the four that are doing, holding a cleanup this year are Farview, Paddy Canyon, Rose Park, Franklin and the Fort and River Road. So River Road and Franklin will share a dumpster and then Farview's Paddy Canyon and Rose Park will share a dumpster. So that's the, you know, best thing ever for this event this year. But we're working with what we have. And I think we have some really cool opportunities in the future. So, all right. Do we know if Grizzly is more receptive than Republic to maybe donating at dumpsters? Do I know if we contacted Grizzly at all? Yeah, we didn't contact them this year because we were under the impression that we were getting the dumpsters donated and just changed last minute. Understandable. But I think in the future, that's definitely something that we'll check in with to see if they have possibly like smaller dumpsters that they could offer up. And that might be even if it's still a rental cost, it could probably be cheaper. So, it's definitely something we'll want to connect with them in the future. Any other thoughts? All right. Okay. So, we'll move on to staff reports. Don't really have too much to add. The cleanup is kind of the main priority right now for our office. And we've also been working on our grant contracts for all of the awesome grant projects that y'all approved. Or two months ago. And yeah, I think just a reminder that we're asking neighborhoods to clarify budget decisions by the end of this month. And I think we've gotten a lot of them, which is great. If there are some things that pop up in June, please just make sure that at the leadership team meeting, if you're bringing something that you have it ready to go like purchased the next day. So, then it is a little bit easier for us to make that happen. Besides that, we'll just start with our neighborhood council reports. So, I will send it to Jacob with Barbies Petty Canyon first. Hi there. Let's see. We have been working on our annual meeting stuff. Got a date locked down venue and working on figuring out food and if we're going to do like a mailer to the neighborhood. Another one of our members has completed a survey of kind of all the easements in the neighborhood and the current, he's documented the current sort of like condition of them, if they're passable or not. So, I think we're going to pass that on to the parks department at some point when we get finalized. And I think that's all that's going on right now. Great. Thanks so much, Jacob. Go to Franklin of the Fort. Sure. So, Franklin of the Fort is excited to participate in this year's neighborhood cleanup. And if there's any River Road folks, you should come join us at Franklin Park. We'll be there this Saturday between 11:00 and 2:00 PM. And we have our own shade little canopy shelter that we'll have up and we'll have coffee and donuts out for folks. And then the dumpster is available all weekend, this May 30th and 31st. And it's not supposed to rain continuously on Saturday. So, you can pick and choose a good time to join us. And we'll be out and about. We're getting a rake, too. We can do all sorts of fun things. So, we'd love to see you out there. And also looking ahead, we're going to do two different kind of ice cream socials coming up over the summer. And our first one is joining with the City Chats in the Park series at MRL Park on Tuesday, June 23rd from 4:30 to 6:30. And we'll be promoting our neighborhood survey. And as a bonus this year, any survey participant who wants to can be entered to win a $200 Winco gift card that we'll draw in September for taking our survey. Thanks, all. Great. Thank you. Part of Missoula. I guess we had our annual meeting down at the X's. Music and generous donation of chicken from the Double Front. A lot of support from the business community with various kinds of gift cards and things of that nature. And a fairly successful event in spite of the fact that, and I don't know if this ties in with the earlier comments, apparently a large portion of our mass mailing to our area did not get mailed. Something happened, I think, at the post office. I don't know if there's anything to be done with that, but it sounded like we had a similar situation. Standard operating procedure. At any rate, after that big effort, we backed off for a few weeks. Great. Thanks, Alan. North side, West side. Hi. We have a few things going on. Unfortunately, we weren't able to marshal the body to organize the cleanup, but we have some plans in motion. We were the recipients of a donated shed built through a project with mud. And so we are acquiring supplies to help us host more fun and sustainable neighborhood events. So we'll be buying some like yard games and shade canopy pop up tents and some sustainable reusable supplies for hosting community picnics and stuff. Hopefully we'll have one of those later this summer. We also learned that the neighborhood traffic management program is going to be putting in some improvements in the west side neighborhood this summer, including quick build traffic circles. So we're coordinating with them on a little outreach video effort to kind of explain why these are useful and beneficial to traffic calming in our neighborhood. And also looking ahead to applying hopefully for some funds through the energizer grant program to maybe do some beautification in the neighborhood on those traffic circles. Front step community land trust is involved in planning a north side community block party in July. So we're coordinating with them on that and looking forward to it. And we were also made aware that the park at the head start school or the school that is now a head start facility on the north side was in need of repair and upgrades to some basketball hoops that are well used by the community. So we're allocating some of our neighborhood funds to provide that infrastructure and improvement for our neighborhood. And unless I'm forgetting anything, it's the main the main things we've got going on right now. Great. Thanks so much Gretchen. River Road. Hello all Kielsen River Road team. And let's see, we have our cleanup on Sunday as discussed. I can't believe this, but my call dropped right when you are talking Franklin to the floor about what's happening after maybe so you could repeat that. Great. Or put it in the chat so I can share. We are kind of, we kind of have the same conversation about the dumpsters like even on Sunday, if we don't have a ton of stuff we can probably cover a lot of it without even transporting to the dumpster at Franklin Park. So, TBD on that one, but agree for future years that it seems like a good solution to not have to spend that extra money. And or go to the competitor. I also like that idea. We are doing two ice cream socials, one on June 9th in Lafrey Park and the other on September 22nd. And the September one will be our general meeting. We're talking about maybe doing a cookout or having food there as well. But we were able to get the dates and time to put them on postcards that will go to almost every house in the neighborhood. And I think that's it. I think those are the highlights. Yeah, kind of new to the Council. So nice to see you all and hopefully I'll make it in person one of these times. Great. Thanks so much, Kate. I think Clint did say something. But Clint, do you want to? Sure. Yeah, I know it sounds like River Road meeting up on Sunday, but if anyone's available, we'll be at Franklin Park on Saturday between 11 and 2 with coffee and treats. And anyone's welcome to join us with that as well. Great. Thanks so much. Rose Park. Same thing. We're preparing for our annual meeting. Good to hear a little bit about that issue with mailers. This is our first year that we are going to be doing that. So we'll check into that to see if that's still going to be the best idea. Probably will. Also doing raffles for our annual meeting. So, and a survey. So that's the first time that we've been incorporating that into our annual meeting. So that's pretty much what we've been working on. Of course, we have the neighborhood cleanup as well this weekend. So hopefully we'll get some success with that and look forward to innovations in the coming years. Great. Thanks, Sean. And upper rattlesnake. To you already? Yeah. Um, I was not here at the last meeting. So, um, back in April, we had our general meeting, um, at Pine View Park, where there are about estimates of between 60 and 80. So we'll go with about 70 people. Um, and we, we have a, just a, a pizza thing. That's what we've done. And it, people, people seem to really like the pizza. And I will say thank you, Kalina and Melissa for all the help with that, including the sandwich boards. Now that we no longer have a sandwich board maker. Um, we have to be rented. No, we've been rented. We borrowed them from, from you, right? Um, we had a really good meeting, uh, which we had, uh, we had decided that one of us should, to hold up a core, a card at one minute, because the meeting we had last year, people went on too long. It mostly took care of itself. We had, um, Jason Mitchell, who's with the county. Um, the issue of Lolo Bridge has, it's been being replaced for about five years. And now it looks like it's actually going to happen next year, beginning in April. Thank you. Beginning in April of 27th. I do not think because I live very close to there. So it's going to be noisy. Um, we had somebody dealing with, uh, from the city of Missoula public works. I actually don't remember the name, but, but we have a lot of issue with Syringa Park, where there is a soccer field and a, and a bike park. And, and there's like cars and bikes and everything come racing down this hill and there's no speed bumps or, or whatever, speed tables or whatever. So the, we need some action to, to slow things down, basically. Um, just to summarize that. Melissa talked about our, the new trail to Duncan Park and the beautiful, um, boards that are there describing why the dam was taken down and how important it is to the rattlesnake. Um, and then we had our two Ward 1 people, um, Alec Melson and Betsy Kraske, who answered questions, um, from whoever. Um, we have our, we have an ice cream social coming up on, on April 20th, I think. Um, and we have our, I, we did have a discussion about the best people we've, we've had somebody talking about bears like every time, but everybody wants to hear about bears. So Jamie Jonkel will be coming to talk about what's going on in the bear feast at Brookside, as we heard about already at our meeting. Um, I think we had also the decision, let's see who else. We, we have done so much with emergency management, uh, for fires. I don't think we're going to do that. But when we had our survey, deer was like the number one thing that people wanted to talk about. So we, I don't know who we're going to have, but somebody to deal with deer. So that's, um, that's it. That's what's coming up next. Great. Thank you. Thanks Judy. All right. Thanks everyone. Um, now we can move to our city council liaison report. Thanks, Kalina. Appreciate it. Um, it's been a couple off weeks since we last met, but I just jotted down a few notes. I thought I would share. Uh, so during last week's city council meeting, the council approved a land sale purchase and sale agreement and development agreement for the Midtown Commons, which if you're not familiar, that's the approximately 15 acre area sort of Southwest of Bob boards. Uh, so that's going to be developed as approximately 240 housing units. And there'll be a mix of apartments for rent, uh, as well as condos, townhomes and single family homes for sale, along with a 1.6 acre park, along with some trail connectivity as well. Um, council also approved the water main projects that are coming up. So that's 705 feet, uh, in the lower rattlesnake on Jackson place and 645 feet of water main on clay street. That's downtown. Um, that work won't start till next year, but some of that infrastructure dates back, uh, as late as the twenties. So that's going to get slated for repair next year. Um, council also approved an agreement to accept a land and water conservation fund grants. Uh, that grant is going to impart help funds some of the development costs for a park on North Scott street. Um, so that's going to be the area south of Bellagio. So that's Scott street, Otis, Shakespeare and Rogers. So that section that's created there by those, uh, four streets. Um, the parks and rec department did lead a sort of master planning process. Uh, and I do believe the North side, West side neighborhood council, uh, did sign off on that. Uh, so overall design, um, I believe that work is going to start. In 2026 and we'll extend into next year, but that's going to be a nice addition to that North side area. Um, lastly, it's about to be budget season for council. That's going to start in committee, uh, next month in June. That'll include, you know, presentations from various city departments, uh, as well as, you know, the mayor's budget presentation later on, along with council deliberations, uh, all before final approval in the month of August. So that's a lot to come in the, uh, in the budget sense. So stay tuned to the council and committee meetings. If you're interested in that. That's all I had for today. Happy to field any questions. If there are any. Great. Yeah. Any questions? Great. Thanks. Wonderful. All right. Well, um, it was a short meeting today. Um, so thanks everyone so much for coming. Oh, there's some thunder. Um, it was like, no, keep playing or keep meeting. Um, next month, uh, we'll be meeting in June. And then just a reminder, we don't usually meet in July. Um, so we'll, uh, let you know what our agenda item is for next month. Uh, but with that, do I have a motion to adjourn? All right. Judy motions. Is there a second? All right. Allen all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Aye. All right. We are adjourned. Thank y'all so much. Thank you. Bye everyone.

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Thank you. the city adopted resolution 8921 establishing the city planning commission and providing specific details on how the commission will be set up and function including duties and responsibilities membership details how meetings will be run staff support and the requirement to propose bylaws and rules of procedures to be approved by the city council on march 16th the city council appointed seven of the nine planning commission members as well as appointed john newman as the first chairperson staff reviewed previous city board of adjustment and planning board bylaws to help create the city planning commission bylaws and the proposed bylaws are organized by topic and section and begin with the authority to establish the commission a purpose statement and definitions related to the bylaws as was noted the city planning commission or the cpc was established in december of 2025 by action of the missoula city council and pursuant to state law section 76 25 104 of the montana code annotated that law also stated the purpose of the cpc is to review and make recommendations to city council on the development adoption and approval of specific land use documents and maps and to here then decide on appeals of administrative decisions related to zoning subdivision or interpretation of land use regulations the new state law and udc have new acronyms and so both of the former so do both of the former cipc bylaws city board of adjustment bylaws and planning board bylaws included a definition of section included a definition section excuse me so the cpc bylaws will have a definition section as well article 4 article 4 covers duties and responsibilities on state law as well as resolution 8921 outline the duties and responsibilities of the cpc noting the documents the cpc will review and make recommendations to the city council on they also state the cpc will be the appellate body regarding plan administration decisions on developer led amendments amendments to the place type place type map and the zoning map and that the cpc will recommend bylaws to be approved to the city council membership details have been included from resolution 8921 as well as amended language from the board of adjustment and planning board bylaws article 5 specifies there will be nine total cpc members members will be appointed by either the mayor or city council and will be composed of a balance of skills with the goal of having commission members with experience toward the type of recommendations they'll need to make members are to serve for three years with approximately one-third of the membership terms expiring and replaced yearly with no term limits each member shall be a resident of missoula and reside within the city limits member resignations shall be given in writing to the chairperson the planning administrator and the cpc itself and when a term expires that member can choose to continue to serve until a successor is appointed for resolution 8921 the cpc shall have a chairperson and a vice chairperson who may be appointed by the city council each year by january 30th or within 30 days of a vacancy it also states if the city council does not make the appointments by that deadline the cpc can during the first meeting following the deadline similar to the planning board bylaws the chairperson shall preside over all meetings and may enter into discussion of matters before the cpc as well as vote on them should the chairperson not be able to fill fulfill their duties the vice chairperson may step in and if neither the chairperson or the vice chair person is available a member of the cpc can be designated for that meeting and per resolution 8921 both positions serve for one year and staff is proposing they can be elected for consecutive terms articles 7 and 8 of the bylaws address the meetings themselves per resolution 8921 cpc meetings will be noticed as most city board meetings are and will be subject to state law city municipal law and the land use public participation plan that was adopted with the land use plan the resolution also allows special meetings to be called by the chair or a majority vote of the commission members meetings will be scheduled for the third wednesday of each month for the resolution the commission will meet a minimum of once every six months and meetings will be held in a hybrid format as most meetings do the cpc will be subject to the same order of business each time it meets unless a majority vote of members in attendance dispenses with that agenda or changes the order scheduled public hearings cannot be removed or changed the commission may not take action on a public comment item not on the agenda that item will need to be scheduled for discussion or action during a future meeting and all cpc meetings are going to be subject to robert's rules of orders public hearing procedures is article 9. most of the language in this section is proposed from the board of adjustment and planning board bylaws with the exception of the section on voting the chairperson runs each hearing and shall do several things including making sure a quorum is present and stating the question or issue before the commission those present will be reminded that all questions and comments must go through the chairperson and that those who want to speak need to provide their name with a spelling of their last name the chair will request the staff report be presented the applicant will then provide their report and public comment will be requested once a motion is made the commission can discuss the matter at hand and after all public testimonies received the public hearing will be closed rebuttals to testimony can be allowed by the chair person as long as proponents and opponents are both given reasonable opportunity to speak per resolution 8929 a quorum of the cpc must be present for any action to be taken and a work form requires the presence of at least four members what we get on the right slide there we go language is included to clarify the rest of the result of a tie vote of the cpc on those items the commission is required to make a recommendation to another body such as a recommendation of language change to a planning document a tie vote will result in the item being forward with no recommendation for those items the cpc is required to make a final decision on such as an appeal to a planning administrator decision a tie vote will result in a denial of that motion when a final vote of the commission deviates from the recommendation of the staff the commission will be required to provide a statement of reason for their recommendation or decision along with rationale related to the relevant review criteria any change made by the commission to a motion on the floor will require an opportunity for the public to comment on the changed motion the cpc will hear appeals of planning administrator decisions and will be subject to the udc for process guidance including that the commission shall hear the appeal de novo the appellant has the burden of proof and a decision made by the cpc takes effect when a written decision is issued the hearings will follow the procedure lined out in resolution 8921 and the planning administrator will present the appeal to the commission discussion will follow and the commission will have the ability to make the decision they think is correct the question is correct conflict of interest and ethics is something all bylaws contain and the city attorney has reviewed this section along with the rest of the document proposed language defines when a conflict of interest exists for a member when a conflict of exist does exist that member will not be allowed to discuss or vote on the item as a cpc member but they can participate in the discussion as a part of the public and a cpc member may not disclose or use information acquired during their duties to further personal interests of any kind new business items may be introduced for either the commission action at a future meeting or to be referred to a committee or to staff article 13 addresses outside committee member outside committees that the commission members may be appointed to as the planning board bylaws did the commission bylaws will allow the chairperson the ability to appoint a cpc member to an outside committee including as we did tonight the transportation policy coordinating committee members representing the commission on other committees will be required to report back to the full commission and article 14 covers standard bylaw language regarding communications between commission members and the public cpc members should avoid conversations with the public on topics of a quasi-judicial nature coming before the commission if a conversation does occur that member is expected to report the content of the conversation to the rest of the members at the next scheduled meeting and this will assure that the views expressed are known to the entire commission Resolution 8921 specifically states that the Commission will be served primarily by the planning administrator. The Commission may also seek assistance from the City Attorney's Office for city legal issues. The process to adopt these bylaws was adapted from the Planning Board bylaws, including that any amendment to the bylaws needs to be presented in writing to the planning administrator and can be brought forward by any member of the CPC. Proposed amendments require an affirmative vote by a majority of the voting members of the Commission, and any amendment to the bylaws will need to be approved by the City Council before it's in effect. And to conclude, staff request that the Commission recommend approval of the proposed City Planning Commission bylaws for Resolution 8921. And I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you, Jen. Any questions about the bylaws? Yeah, I had a question about in the event that the Commission does not approve a staff report that requires a written statement. Does that have to happen at the time of the vote? Or like, is there a time period there? Or does the discussion, the notes of the discussion serve as that written rationale? Mary McCray, just to make sure I understand your question. So if, if, if the Commission is voting to amend or go in a direction that wasn't part of the staff report or staff recommendation, at the before you vote or when you're voting, you have to state why. And it has to be related to the criteria. So, the reasons for voting differently are what you want the amendment to be and based on the criteria. Yeah. Right. If that makes sense. But then the presentation, there was, had to be written. So, do we don't, do we have to write a statement? Sorry, I think you're a little too close to the mic. If there, there. Okay. Okay. Not used to this. So, but it said in the presentation, if I recall, it said that it had to be written. Is that true? Or do the notes of the meetings suffices that written justification? Oh, we will provide a written letter of what, like a summary of what the Planning Commission's recommendation was and what the changes were. But the, at the time of the vote, you're just voting and you're stating orally why you're voting a particular way and what the criteria. Thank you. It looks like that section four under voting of article nine says when the recommendation or decision of the CPC deviates from that of the staff, the CPC motion shall include a concise statement of reason for the recommendation or decision and rationale related to the relevant review criteria. So, it doesn't say written in there. Any other questions about the bylaws? One quick question. One quick question. Um, the bylaw that says that commission members should avoid discussing matters that are quasi judicial in advance of the hearing with interested parties. Quasi judicial. That means, it seems to mean like appeals of planning administrator decisions on specific projects. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. So, if there was in the future someone on the commission, are we a commission? Yeah, commission proposing a change to some section of the UDC. Would that be different and therefore be treated differently for the specific bylaw in terms of being able to converse about it before the hearing? Um, Mary McCray again. Um, so are you suggesting that if the planning commission wants to suggest a change to the UDC, can you discuss it at a planning commission meeting? Could we exact, could we discuss it before the meeting itself with interested parties? Um, if someone was proposing a recommendation to council to modify the UDC in some way, would that be treated differently than a proposal that's quasi judicial? Yes, that is a, that sort of decision is a recommendation to city council. So it wouldn't be quasi judicial. Okay. Thank you. And I did the bylaws say like site specific, right? I think that's sort of the hallmark of something maybe that , that sort of. Um, it's into the quasi judicial realm as if, if it's something site specific, like a, you know, applying for a permit or something like that. Um, something where, you know, we're like the final say. Okay. Any other questions? Uh, Jenna just wanted to say, thanks. Appreciate the drafting these. They're concise. They make sense. And, um, you know, I think they'll serve us well. So appreciate that. Uh, do we have a motion to approve the by? Oh, you know what? I'm going to back up. Cause I think I saw Patrick that I see Patrick in the ether . Okay. So this is where he's, he's present. Okay. Um, okay. Do we have a motion to adopt the commission bylaws? I so move. Okay. Motion from Danny. Do we have a second? Second, second from. Oh, yeah. Okay. I'm going to go ahead. Okay. Um, okay. Do we have a motion to adopt the commission bylaws? I so move. Okay. Motion from Danny. Do we have a second? Second. Second from. Okay. Okay. Second from Owen. Any further discussion or comments on the bylaws? Okay. Seeing none. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Okay. Motion passes and the bylaws, uh, will be recommended for approval to the council. Okay. We'll move on to item 10.3. And that is the appointment of a council. Okay. We'll move on to item 10.3. And that is the appointment of a commission vice chair person. Um, Jen, do you, do you have anything in particular to say, say about that? Okay. Got it. So, um, if you looked at the proposed motion about the vice chair on your agenda, you can see that I forgot to add a term expiration date. Um, the term for this initial vice chairperson position will end at the end of the calendar year of 2026. Um, with, uh, the next council appointment on January 30 of 2027. Um, we also want to just note that the existing vice chair person can serve consecutively and, um, they can serve until they are replaced if that's something that they so choose to do. So this, the slide, um, that I have shared as the actual motion on it, that should probably be read into the record. And I can read it if you like. Oh, I think you will. Okay. Well, when the time comes, um, so Danny, I know you had expressed interest and then sort of stepped back and then there was some, there was someone else that expressed interest. Patrick, I think Patrick is remains interested. Is that, is that true? Patrick? I do. Okay. And then it was Shane that, that, okay. Um, do we have any other nominees as the vice chairperson? Okay. Patrick, you're interested. Sounds like. Yes, I'm interested. Okay. Jen, can you put that? There it is. Okay. Perfect. Do we have a motion to appoint Patrick Brittigam as the commission vice chairperson? Okay. I can make the motion and I will. I move the city planning commission appoint Patrick Brittig am to the position of vice chairperson. Okay. I can make the motion and I will. I move the city planning commission appoint Patrick Brittig am to the position of vice chairperson. For a term ending December 31st, 2026. Do we have a second? I second. Okay. Seconded by Danny. Any other discussion on this particular item? Okay. Seeing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. Okay. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. Okay. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. That passes. Patrick, I wondered for a second if you were voting against yourself there. It sort of sounded like, but maybe not. Just wanted to, you know, maybe create some controversy. There you go. Perfect. Okay. Great. Well, thanks for that, Patrick, for your service and Tung for your service as well. We appreciate it. All right. We'll move on to item number 11 comments from planning commission members. Anybody have anything on their mind? Patrick, are you at peace? I'm at peace. I'm at peace. Thank you. And I do plan to typically be attending in person. So just out of town this week. Thanks for your understanding. Of course. I just want to welcome Jen to. Yes. Thank you very much, Danny. Appreciate that. Okay. Perfect. Well, thanks folks. And we will adjourn the meeting. Appreciate everybody's time. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, everyone.

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I'm a transportation planner with the MPO. And... Yeah. Today I'll be sharing amendment number two for the federal fiscal year 2026 to 2030 TIP. So the TIP was originally adopted in August 2025. And as mentioned, this is the second amendment to it. This amendment generally includes some minor changes to adjust project costs and balances. And it provides the MPO with an updated and accurate TA table to facilitate the MPO's call for TA projects, which are currently under review. So starting out with TA, one piece that was updated is a pre-2026 carryover. So that was updated from about 5.1 million to 6.6 million. And they were updated to correct the carryover balance and reflect new project costs so that we could have an accurate balance for our call for projects. So, um, Silver Park path preservation was also updated. Um, there's a preliminary engineering modification, which added about $38,000 to the total project cost. Still on the TA section, Lynn Lane path had a construction modification that was updated from about, um, $901,000 to $ 1.26 million. And that adjustment added about $358,000 to total project costs. And then there was also just a minor language adjustment. Uh, it originally said Camden and Lane, and we updated that to read Camden and Siren. Um, Mullen Road path had a construction modification. Um, there's no change in cost, but we moved 2027 construction to 2028. For congestion mitigation and air quality or CMAC, um, there was a street, street sweepers replacement, um, update . And there was a 2026 update related to that replacement. Um, and the update just reflects the actual cost, which was $30,000 under programmed. For national highway, um, there's path preservation in Miss oula County North. Uh, added right of way phase to 2026, which added about $84 ,000 to total project costs. Also added an incidental construction phase in 2027, which added about $56,000 to total project costs. And, um, together these adjustments added about $140,000 to the project cost. For STPX, STPS, and SFCN, um, there was, uh, West Missoula Northwest adjustment, which, um, is Mullen Road and under the secondary program. Um, the preliminary engineering cost was modified to add about $48,000 in 2026. For HSIP, or the Highway Safety Improvement Program, um, there updated preliminary engineering costs to a final cost for striping on I-90, which was reduced by about $4,000. For urban pavement preservation, or UPP, um, the construction was updated to reflect a modification to an award. For the Federal Transit Administration sections, um, $5307 had an updated allocation and updated FTA amounts and tot als. For the Federal Transit Administration section 5310 updated 2027 amounts and totals. And then, um, just looking at the review and the, um, public engagement process, TTAC reviewed this tip amendment , um, and that occurred during a hybrid meeting on May 7th, 2026, earlier this month. Um, and comments included clarifying questions, which were addressed in the attached memo and in this presentation. Um, and then for public review, notice was published through legal ads in the Missoulian, April 25th, May 2nd, May 9th, and May 16th, 2026. Sorry for the typo there. And the draft was also posted on the NPO website with notice of the public comment opportunity, um, during TPCC meeting. So, glad to answer any questions or comments, um, but otherwise we have a recommended motion. Thanks Devin. Any questions? Devin, the, the engineering, preliminary engineering costs, um, were those actual cost modifications for increases or decreases or just moving them in the years? I'm sorry, for what section was that? There were two noted changes. Um, and I, I don't have the presentation in front of me, so I don't, I can't tell you exactly. Um, let me go through them. So, um, one preliminary engineering modification was Silver Park path. Okay, sorry. Um, one preliminary engineering modification was, uh, for Silver Park path preservation and that did add $38,000 to the total project cost. Um, and let me find the other preliminary engineering modification. Um, and, um, um, similarly with the secondary STPS here, um , that did add 48,000 in 2026. Okay, thank you. Anyone else? Anyone online? Right. Do you need a motion? I would move that we approve amendment number two to the FY 26 to 30 transportation improvement program. Right. A motion was made by Dave. Um, and we do need a second. That's a second by Don MacArthur. All right. Um, we have a motion before us and we don't have any public to provide public comment on this item. So let's go ahead and do a vote on this. All of those in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Right. That motion passes. Thanks, Devin. And now move to our second item of business. Um, yes, that's approval of letter of support for reserve street, safe streets and roads for all grant application. And Charlie has that for us. Yeah, thank you. I'm here to talk on behalf of our grant application for the reserve street, um, implementation and demonstration project as we are formally calling it. Um, my presentation up is up. So let's go ahead and dive into it. Um, so I'm going to go through the program overview for this year's safe streets and roads for all program. Our proposed scope of work that we plan on submitting. Um, and then just spend a brief moment of time on our, uh, draft schedule for if we were to be awarded this grant, um, and then open things up for discussion. Um, so as a reminder, um, the reserve street safety action plan, uh, was a project that we were awarded through this safe streets and roads for all program. Um, and we took that, that project through to completion and it was adopted through this committee, um, in March of this year. Um, and so we had a relatively quick turnaround from the adoption, um, to this safe streets and roads for all program opening up. Um, and we coordinated with the city around local match and , and developed what is now our grant application that we're working on actively. Um, so the safe streets and roads for all program has a very distinct purpose of reducing and eliminating the road ways of fatalities and serious injuries. Um, and so we sort of got to our first step for that for reserve street with our safety action plan, which lays out specific interventions, um, prioritizes those and yields engineering documentation and cost estimates, um, for specific elements that we are pushing forward through this, uh, grant application. Um, and the, the program has several different pathways of, uh, implementation. So they've got planning, um, which was sort of that safety action plan that we completed for reserve street safety action plans can also exist at the extent of whatever your jurisdictional boundary is or region is. Um, but we did one focused on the reserve street corridor as it was deemed a priority, um, for us in our region. Um, there's also implementation grants, which we're going to be doing a combination of implementation and demonstration grant. Um, the implementation grants are typically between two and a half million to $25 million for construction. Uh, but our project is quite a bit lower than that. Um, and that's really due to the amount of available local match we have, but we think it's going to be a competitive strategy for us. Um, this grant has many in this current infrastructure investment in jobs act has a 20% non federal local match requirement. Um, and so 80% of the total project costs can be covered by federal funds. Um, and the grant is closing in exactly a week from today and maybe even, uh, a week and 18 minutes and 17 seconds. Um, from now, um, in this very moment, I believe that's correct. Um, so our scope of work, um, I thought I'd start with our, our proposed budget. Um, because we sort of started there, we got confirmation from the city on what would be a reasonable local match that they're willing and able to provide, which would be coming out of their CIP funds. Um, and so that was about 200,000 to $250,000. Um, and that would allow us for a project that is a million and a quarter dollars. Um, and so we started with that window of funds, um, and worked backwards to see what, what we could implement from the reserve street safety action plan. Um, that would be suitable and high priority for this, this grant application. Um, so what we have is, is two pathways, both implementation. So those would be intended to be constructed and left in the ground, um, throughout the future. Um, and those include four intersection turning movement, movement restriction projects. Um, our current estimate for that is, uh, just under $600, 000. That includes American way, uh, river road, international drive and stockyard road, then old us 93. And I'll dive into more detail for American way and river road on what those will look like. Those concepts apply across all four intersections. Our reason for selecting those is across the corridor. Those are really hot spots for our fatal and serious injury crashes. Um, and we have some low cost interventions that directly address those crash trends. Um, and so we think, you know, they're, they're projects that were very much approved of through the process, both through public engagement and our stakeholder, um, engagement process. And so we want to have those implemented and put in the ground. Um, and they're sort of thought of as stepping stones for the final interventions, which are likely to look like, um, inner full intersection control with stoplights and or roundabouts. Um, but for now, these will have, uh, positive outcomes for reducing fatal and serious injury crashes. Um, and then the second component we want to do through a demonstration process, which is, uh, possible to sort of do combination of both implement, implementation and demonstration, um, through this grant program. Um, and that would include one of the key components of the grant or our safety action plan, which was access management. Um, essentially is oriented towards, uh, reducing the possibility of left turn and access into the number of, um, driveways and frequent access points, as well as uncont rolled intersections along the Southern section of reserve street. Um, and then the second demonstration would be a, uh, sort of a process of, uh, uh, public engagement planning and then putting a project of that sort in the ground and testing it. Um, and then the second demonstration would be speed management signage. And the key location for this, um, is the Clark Fork river bridge. Um, so I'll dive into that more, uh, in more detail later in the presentation. Um, so just want to introduce the American way, um, implementation project. And we have similar information for river road, but essentially involves, uh, using somewhat quick build method ologies, um, to, uh, create turning movement restrictions. Um, and we have a couple of options, um, and we have a couple of options, both right in and right out only, or left in, right in, and right out. And as you see here in this chart, we have what are called benefit cost ratios. Um, and those show us sort of the effectiveness that these interventions have in relation to the direct, uh, predicted safety savings for both all crash types, as well as fatal and serious injury crashes. Um, and what's interesting is these quick build approaches have higher, uh, benefit cost ratios than, uh, the full traffic signal. Um, maybe a more limited, uh, sort of benefit for all load types, um, but do yield really high benefit cost ratios. And so that's why we, we were thinking that applying this same approach for those key intersections, uh, yields a really strong application and, and, uh, has predictable outcomes for reducing fatal and serious injury crashes. Um, at this location specifically, we'd, we'd, we'd most likely be going for the left in, right in and right out. Cause we've coordinated with city, uh, fire and emergency response. Um, and there they've stated a need for access to the left in, um, to, uh, get to a retirement facility that is located right off of American way that they've stated probably visiting once a day on average. Um, so just some background coordination that has occurred there for that project element. Um, similar concept for river road, um, as with the other intersections, international and stockyard road, as well as old us 93, um, the similar benefit cost ratios, um, and then also possibility of essentially the same type of turning movement. Um, restriction using similar construction methods. Although river road is, uh, different intersection design. So there's gotta be some, um, sort of further considerations having to do with visibility as you approach that intersection. Um, so something that I think is interesting for both of these, the right in, right out, and left in could have up to, uh, 80% fatal and serious injury crash reduction. So I think that's quite promising. Um, so for the speed management demonstration, uh, we prioritized using, uh, focusing on the Clark Fork River bridge. Um, so for the safety action plan. Um, so for the safety action plan, um, and one concern with the speed management through dynamic speed feedback signs, uh, the signs that essentially tell you the speed you're traveling in relation to the posted speed limit. Um, so for the safety action plan, um, is there is concerns that they might not be effective over the long term. Um, so I thought that the demonstration pathway would be a interesting way of testing before and after impacts of this type of intervention. Um, and then reporting, uh, to the, through the grant program, the outcomes of that. And we get to determine if we want to leave these in the ground or not through the future, um, based off of that before and after study. So something that we can use and learn from, um, and how we potentially apply it across the, the region in the future. 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And then stepping into 2028, which is kind of wild thinking about that far in advance, we could actually start implementing or putting those projects into the ground through that spring and summer of 2028. And then following that for the demonstration components, we'd have to have a period of time for those to be in the ground where we're sort of a buffer window where we can then complete our study and report on the impacts and benefits or costs of those. And then stepping into 2029, we could have a state of data and sort of complete reporting that would determine our next steps for those demonstration components. So that's what I have on the details of our planned proposed scope. So that's what I have on the right side of the presentation . So that's what I have on the right side of the presentation . So that's what I have on the right side of the presentation . So that's what I have on the right side of the presentation . So that's what I have on the right side of the presentation . 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But over the last couple of weeks and having conversations with MDT, they had some concerns about those specific locations or maybe some different thoughts on whether or not those would be appropriate improvements at those locations. And so based on that, we did end up taking that out, those pieces out, and we'll shift that budget into those other intersections and the quick build access. But that's just an update that is relatively recent over the last couple of days of getting to that point and realizing that we probably just have more work to do in talking about those pedestrian crossing improvements and how we structure those and where and how we can try to meet the the needs of the needs of the state for Reserve Street as a federal highway, but also get people safely across the road . So we know there's still some work to be done there. And we 're hoping we could get that squeezed in, but we just haven 't gotten there. I think just in working with the state and how that would shape out in time for this grant. And we felt like that might be just too big of a risk to include that. And so we 'll continue working on those, but not funded as part of this grant request. And so we have Joel and John are here and could provide their other questions about some of that. I think they could provide some clarification there or if there are other questions. So yeah. Yeah, I, I have a question about that. I, it would be great to hear MDT. Since I know we coincide in trying to create corridors that are safe for all modes of transportation and certainly for pedestrians. Um, and given that I, I remember selecting those specific locations because of, um, the need for, um, safer crossings , I would really like to hear a little bit more about, um, the, the rationale behind that partnering with the MPO to, um, include those elements in the, in the grant application . I can start and then I'll, I'll, I'll probably ask you all to jump in. He's more, uh, he's more familiar with the details, but, um, really it's, it's something we see. We're seeing with a couple of different SS4A planning studies, um , where there's recommendations coming out. Um, but they aren't, they haven't necessarily gone through full intersection control evaluation. Um, Um, and so we don't really have a full understanding of how the improvements would actually impact the intersection. Um , and it's, it's, it's, it's kind of quirky, but, um, Joel, do you have anything to add to that? Joel Kahn: Yeah, I do think understanding that with cross ings, you, you want to make sure that, you know, whatever treatment you're looking at is, is actually warranted by the location as well. Joel Kahn: And the particular spot we're looking at, it looks like it potentially could be warranted for an actual signalized upgrade. Joel Kahn: And from MBT's perspective, we're really focused on at this time, not adding, you know, RFPs or mid block crossings or any type of crossings on reserve. Joel Kahn: Uh, especially if they're not meeting the war rants and there's not real obvious generators at that location. So there's just, there's just some more study and research that needs to go into that location. Joel Kahn: And that might not be the best solution at the best time, whereas, you know, overall looking at signals or something else might be the right solution. Joel Kahn: Thanks. I don't know if that answers your question or if you had a more specific question, but that's kind of where we're at right now. Joel Kahn: No, it does. I also wonder then, um, you know, what, what, under what conditions do you think that something, um, to enhance pedestrian crossings would be possible? Joel Kahn: Um, in this part of the corridor, these two locations. Um, is it, are we looking specifically at reserve or is it any crossing on MDT, um, roadways or how can we make something happen here if it's not through. Joel Kahn: An SS, uh, a safety action plan process, um, or an implementation grant. Like, do you see any other potential? Joel Kahn: Venues for us to address this concern? Joel Kahn: Um, I'm not sure you mentioned other routes and in every route is going to take a very similar process where we're going to look at the warrants. Uh, we're going to look at the justification. And based off of that, the appropriate crossing is going to be basically recommended. Uh, as far as on reserve, what we're looking at here is, is crossing. It's going to be with the signalized intersection , be that around about the SS. Joel Kahn: Four way stop or stoplight. Um, or the other option is great separation where I know that brings up other issues as far as overall costs and long term maintenance where that. Joel Kahn: Oftentimes is not something that MDT wants to get into as well. Uh, so there's other conversations that need to take place around that. Um, really the focus on this study here is getting that access control, getting that safety, you know, watching that safety and focusing on that. Joel Kahn: And understanding that when you're putting cross ings in whether or not properly warranted, you're just you 're shifting a safety risk from one, one type of risk to another type of risk. So there there's other inherent risks that come along with every decision that we make on a transportation network. Joel Kahn: And it's making sure we're weighing both of those decisions and not just focusing on one mode. Um, because what that does is it just shifts it to another mode . Joel Kahn: Shifts it to another area. Shifts it to another area. Thank you. Joel Kahn: Joel, that may be a great segue if it's okay for another question. Joel Kahn: Yes, go ahead. Joel Kahn: Um, in terms of, uh, shifting risk, I'm really interested in the right in right out only model. Um, Charles shared some really good statistics there. Um, does that look at the general area? I know people generally go down and do U-turns. Um, does that cause more? Does that shift the problem to another location? Is that all looked at in this analysis? Joel Kahn: I guess that was the Joel or Joel Kahn: Yeah, I was gonna ask if that was to me or to Charlie. Joel Kahn: Oh, sorry. Joel Kahn: I'll be a hundred percent honest with you. I am not a traffic engineer, so I can't really speak to that. Um , but I do know that, you know, it, it does change driver behavior. So beyond that, I, I can't speak to that. Joel Kahn: Maybe it's you Charles. Yeah. Joel Kahn: Yeah. Um, so part of the deliverable for those distinct interventions that were made in the past, Joel Kahn: Um, so I think that's a great question. Um, so I think that's a great question. Um, so I think that's a great question. Joel Kahn: Yeah, I think that's a great question. Um, so I think that's a great question. implications to travel patterns for those two distinct locations for all of the types of intersection interventions. So we looked at the quick build , both left in, right in, right out, the right in, right out, as well as roundabouts and light controlled intersections. And those do, you know, have patterns that are shifting those turning movements that would be made otherwise to maybe third street at the river road intersection. And so in that example, you're, you're shifting things to a signal controlled with protected left turn phasing. There wasn't necessarily an analysis of looking at the unintended consequences and shift in safety, but mostly the travel patterns. And I think there can be some assumptions made there. And then there's a similar, similar analysis for the American way intersection, and it shifts things to the surrounding light controlled intersections through that northern section of the corridor. Yeah. And maybe I'm coming from more of a rural perspective as to where, you know, it's forcing it into maybe a neighborhood and not to another traffic signal, but Aaron, I know you were going to say something else. Yeah, no, I think on reserve street, you know, we do have those signals. And so that's where we'd want to be directing people. And the goal there is, you know, there are safety risks of signals too. But what we've, I think what we found in the analysis is that the turning movements are much safer and you don't have the same severity of crashes. And what you see at these uncontrolled or just stop controlled intersections, those left turns or those tend to be much more severe or fatal crashes. And so, yes, you'll shift some of that traffic to other nearby intersections. or those tend to be much more severe or fatal crashes. And so, yes, you'll shift some of that traffic to other nearby intersections and signals, and that's probably going to have a small impact on congestion at peak hour, potentially. But I think the overall safety, if you do see more traffic at those intersections that are signal-controlled, if there are crashes, they'll be less severe and less likely to end in a fatality or a severe crash, which is really what our focus on the corridor is. So I think, from my perspective, the trade-off of saving lives and preventing severe crashes outweighs the potential inconvenience of having to go to third to make a left turn or some of those movements at those intersections. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you all for your answers. All right. Any other questions? I have one. Yeah, go ahead. Is the grant request going to cover all of the costs to study after implementation and building the rest of the reports and then the takedown and the maintenance? Yeah, so we have sort of that included for our demonstration project. A lot of this can actually be done internally. So, for example, we have the equipment to do before and after speed study. So we are looking at using city staff to get out there and do sort of on-the-ground traffic counter placement. But in general, our budget does account for sort of the demonstration before and after reporting process as well as the planning study components that go into this grant as a whole. Thank you. All right. Anyone else? Okay. We do need a motion. I'd move that the TPCC approve a letter of support for the SS4A application. Second. Okay. You got that? Okay. All right. We still don't have any public hearing chambers to provide comment on this motion. I don't see any hands up online either. So go ahead and do a voice vote on this. All of those in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. Aye. No opposed? All right. That motion carries. Well, I know some of my constituents will be disappointed to not see some of the pedestrian crossing elements that were originally part of the grant application. As we know, a lot of development is going west of reserve and we keep encouraging alternative modes of transportation and safe crossings. But I understand that more coordination might be needed. Hopefully in the future, we can make the pedestrian crossings a component of another grant application or some sort of partnership with our state and federal jurisdictions. This is due next week. So best of luck and thank you for applying for it. All right. Let's move to our next item. That's a discussion of upcoming NPO work plan priorities and update to the active transportation plans. Thank you. Thank you. I just have a brief item this afternoon. It's just an informational item. Welcome any questions or discussions about this. And it's really to set up an update to our UPWP, our NPO work plan over this spring and early summer. And so we'll be able to bring this back formally through that process. But this is just to set up a little bit of what we've been considering in this update and where the NPO is right now as far as some of our planning work. We've recently wrapped up an update to our public participation plan. We went through the Reserved Street Safety Action Plan and with the submission of the grant, we'll also be wrapping up at least some of that work. We have an ongoing update to our community transportation safety plan, which we've done some of the initial setup of that planning work and anticipate that going over the next year or two. And then, like I said, we will have an update to our NPO's work plan kick off this spring, early summer, and then be adopted in late summer. We also know that the scoping process for the next LRTP will begin right around the beginning of the new year. So we had our year off on the LRTP and are about to get back into the planning cycle of the long-range plan. And so while that's just early scoping with the planning actually coming later in the year, we do want to set the UPW up to allow us to sort of get ready for that update and any other planning we know might be on the horizon over the next year. Since we just really recently completed the last LRTP, we did have some thoughts and review that came off the adoption of that plan and would be a focus and target for our next planning process. We know we wanted to do some review and refinement of the project list, take a close look at the projects included in that plan and make sure they are current and reflecting current conditions. We really wanted to do a detailed existing condition reports with this update and really focus on the current network and where there's opportunity. And then also there's a lot of regional planning that's been completed over the last few years. So we'll work to integrate that. And that's both at the city and county scale. We also see an opportunity to update our active transportation plan, particularly as we go into the next long-range plan update. And I'll talk a little bit about what that might look like for us and why it's a good opportunity and time to update that planning work. This graphic here, it might be a little hard to read and I apologize for that, but there's a timeline here showing how some of our current and planned planned updates sort of tie into each other and sequence out over the next few years. So the green bar at top, that is the update to our safety plan. It would be followed by an update to our active transportation plan and both those plans would lead into the development of our next long-range plan. And this, again, just sort of illustrates how we're going to try and use these sequential planning updates to inform the next update to our long-range plan. So the community transportation safety plan is ongoing. It'll provide recommendations that can be incorporated into an update to the active transportation plan. And then both those can inform the long-range plan. One of the reasons it's a good time to update the active transportation plan is because of recommendations that are coming out of the CTSP update. So the CTSP is doing a lot of analysis and GIS work, looking at cross-locations, trends, and there will be non-motorized recommendations that are produced out of that planning effort. So we can use the CTSP to generate projects, to generate recommendations, and then those can live in the active transportation plan. There's also, again, this relationship to the long-range plan update. So knowing that is on the horizon, we can take the base data that we are using in both the CTSP and the active transportation plan to set up the long-range plan's existing conditions. We can use it to complete some of the required analysis in the long-range plan, and we can help, or we can use the active transportation plan to do that project list revision that we had hoped to do in the long-range plan. So knowing we need to look at that project list and do some refinement, this plan update provides an opportunity to do that. Again, just a graphic here showing how we can sort of use these concurrent planning process in a way that both overlap and provide recommendations for the long-range plan. So we'll have safety projects that come out of the CTSP update. We will have active transportation projects that come out of that plan update, and then we can use the previous long-range plan and the existing project list to develop corridor and roadway projects. And then in areas where all three might overlap, we'll know that that is a complete street project for the long-range plan. So again, a graphic going just a little bit more into detail, just showing how we can use these plan updates to sort of inform the project list refinement for the long-range plan update. So a little additional planning context as we get into updating these plans. historically, historically, the long-range plan has served as the primary repository for all projects, regardless of their regional significance or role in the network. And this is certainly something we found during our last long-range plan update is that the project list continues to grow and that number of projects gets larger and exceeds what can be funded within the fiscal constraint. And that's not necessarily an issue. there will always be a luster of projects in the long-range plan. But the larger that project list gets, the harder it is for us to sort of go through the scoring project and look at projects holistically. So we sort of see an approach where we can streamline project identification and development and categorize projects into plans that might be more appropriate for them. So the long-range plan will really have a focus on those regionally significant network-scale, federally-funded capital projects, while an active transportation plan can house projects of all size, cost, scale, or anticipated timeline. So the update to the active transportation plan would be revisiting three previous MPO plans that we currently manage. And that is our 2011 active transportation plan. So this plan is about 15 years old now, so getting a bit out of date. But that is because it was followed by two facility master plans. The first is a 2017 bicycle facility plan, which produced our Greenway network. And then the 2018 pedestrian facility plan, which produced recommendations for the pedestrian network. But it's been about a decade now since these two facility plans were developed. They're based on data sets that are now about a decade out of date. And since then, there's been new growth. A lot of these projects have been completed. And there's an opportunity to refresh these plans with new analytical tools, updated data, and better methodologies for producing recommendations for the non-motorized network. There's also been a lot of planning done since the adoption of those two facility plans. So they need to be revisited to incorporate recommendations from our long-range plans in the pros, county pathways, and trails, and then the new land use plan adopted by the city, as well as things like the Y-Master plan and others. So as we look to update that active transportation plan, we would update the baseline data, do a refresh of any demographic, infrastructure, or crash data that informed that plan. We would look to create that consolidated project inventory where we could collect both the city and county non-motorized projects and compare them within the planning document. We do some data-driven project evaluation to have a better idea of what projects would be high-scoring and would be recommended for near-term implementation. And then we would also refresh and update a number of GIS tools that we use in our planning effort. Things like our level of traffic stress for a bike and pedestrian network and introduce new analysis like a high-engineering network for non-motorized users. The draft scope of work could potentially include a consolidated project inventory, a future network map, these GIS tools, that project evaluation, recommendations for implementation, funding, and maintenance, as well as any performance monitoring, programs, policies, and public engagement that might be required. And I won't go into detail on these, but this is a list of some of the both existing and potentially new GIS tools that we already use in some capacity but might need to be updated or revisited just to make sure that they are current and reflect current conditions in the network. For us, the next steps are look to finalize the scope of work for the active transportation plan if that's the direction we take, incorporate that recommendation into our UPWP over the summer, be followed up by some data collection, plan review, any public participation and stakeholder engagement that might be required, and then a late summer kickoff following adoption of the UPWP. And with that, that's a quick high-level look at where we're at, but happy to take any questions or discussion regarding that update to our work plan. Debbie? Glenn, I wondered how, what might look like a hybrid trip with using Mountain Line because of the age of the plan and their addition of bike racks on the buses, how are those types of trips accounted for and are they in the active transportation plan or accounted for elsewhere? As far as I'm aware, it's not in the existing active transportation plan, it's certainly something that we could look at and incorporate. We do have some recommendations and texts surrounding sort of last mile travel and the transit network and our long-range plan, so I think bringing over some of those recommendations and making sure we work closely with Mountain Line is certainly a possibility. Thank you. All right. Anyone else? It's raining really hard here so we just... Okay. Any other questions? Okay. We... That was an informational item only. It was, yes. So we don't have... We don't need a motion. Any final comments, announcements from... Yeah. Go ahead, Aaron. Yeah. I have a couple. One is just that our June meeting will probably have a fairly hefty agenda because we're getting into drafting a new revised tip for the next fiscal year. We're updating our MPO work plan and as Glenn just kind of went through, you know, we have some ideas of how we can spend our time but it's a really good opportunity to talk as an MPO and get guidance from this body on like where are opportunities for us to spend our time and our effort and are there things that we haven't been considering or that we should focus on. So I think that's an important piece and we'll have some updates on budget for the MPO and including looking out three or four or five years of what that looks like for us pending any changes that might come out of reauthorization. And then the third item we'll have is TA project selection and so we'll have recommendations for what we can fund with TA. So there's I think hopefully a lot of good discussion items there and I would encourage folks in this community to think about or talk to your staff or others about potential work plan elements or like where can the MPO really help and put our time in the next year or as we think about our kind of five-year outlook for the funding and staff time. Oh, it's really raining outside. So we'll just keep us going until that stops. The other announcement that I wanted to make is that if anyone's not aware currently there was a house draft of reauthorization bill that was released on Sunday and I've seen some summaries starting to come out but it's over a thousand pages so I think everyone is kind of in the mad scramble trying to figure out what exactly is in there but it does feel at least initial drafts show some positive components like the it includes making safe streets and roads for all a core program so including that funding to continue that there were some changes to PL fund eligibility I haven't quite figured out if there's significant PL funding elements included I believe there were some elements around the regional planning organizations that at least as policy is being included so there's some elements there that I think are good but the important piece is that committee markup is happening on Thursday and then we'll see where it goes from there so things are happening on the House side very quickly right now and then it'll get transmitted to the Senate or the Senate has to also take this up and that feels like they're moving much slower and so still not sure if we'll have a bill by the end of the fiscal or you know by end of September when IIJA expires but there's at least movement now and I think we're starting to see the framework of what's going to happen and the input that I'm hearing is that there's a greater chance now to influence policy than there is funding levels that once these drafts come out it's much harder to influence or make big changes in how much funding is coming through the bill but different policy elements or things we could still influence so I think we have a window of opportunity you know in the next week or so with the House bill and then we'll sort of see where things are at but we should be thinking about engaging our congressional delegation or if you have meetings you know definitely advocate for the things that we've been talking about or reach out if you want me to attend or someone or need talking points or things to meet with. Do you need anything from this body? I mean yeah well not specifically I mean I think the more we can all advocate you know my thought is setting up meetings with congressional staff to really make sure they understand how the items or what's happening in the bill will affect us locally is probably really important and I've been working to try to get those meetings set up. Whether or not we can get that to happen before committee markup is probably not going to happen but none of our legislators are on that committee so I don't think we have a direct pipeline to making changes right now. It's more building support and making sure that they understand that they should support what they should support in this bill and advocate for later. So I don't know that I have a direct ask other than you know reach out if you have opportunities or if you have the ability to connect or I'll continue to work on trying to set up those meetings with congressional staff. Dave? Yeah I had a meeting with a representative of a congressional office today which will go unnamed but the sense was that this might be dead on arrival in the Senate. There's some severe deficiencies from my standpoint and just kind of unacceptable provisions related to the rail title in this which is as you might gather something that I've been watching keenly. So honestly I think the best path forward to get our priorities into reauthorization flows through the Senate because Senator Sheehy is on Senate Commerce Committee which is one of the committees which will be taking up portions of reauthorization and the sense I got today is it would be even though the House finally got after it and has some draft language out there on the Senate side it is completely unclear where they are at in the drafting process so it is questionable if we will meet the September 30th deadline to have a new bill in place and it is probably unlikely. Anyone else any other announcements? I guess maybe just one point on it is worth asking this group if it would be helpful to have someone I know AMPO has been willing to go that is the Association of Metropolitan Planning Organizations they have staff who are really involved in this. if it would be helpful to have someone from that organization present to this body and give an update of where things are at I can certainly make that request and we could look at schedules and try to get that on a future meeting if everyone thinks that would be helpful. and then yeah we'll continue there's lots of good resources out there so we'll continue to it feels like we need some coordinated efforts amongst you know city and county and who are we talking to and where are things standing just making sure we're all kind of on the same page or as much as we reasonably can be. Yeah I think that would be a good idea. All right anything else? Sounds like a deluge out there so might as well fix all the transportation problems we have here. All right seeing no additional comments or announcements we would be adjourned. Thanks everyone for joining. We'll see you next time.

and so much good energy but i'm going to go ahead and call the meeting to order thank you so much i appreciate that it's 6.02 pm it is may 18th welcome city council members and members of the community to the missoula city council meeting and before we get started with our formal agenda items if you'll join me in the pledge of allegiance please thank you all right thank you miss trimble will you do a roll call please good evening roll call beginning with anderson present becerra present campbell here krask present jones present j ordan present mccoy here melson present nugent present ponton present savage present and cheryl present everybody's here this evening excellent welcome everyone um we have approval of minutes from may 11th 2026 those minutes are available on the agenda there do we have questions or any suggested changes for the minutes submitted okay not seeing any then we'll go ahead and uh have those minutes remain as submitted thank you next up we have our committee schedule for this coming wednesday may 20th 2026. miss trim ble any changes or updates no updates it's going to be just two committees beginning at 10 30 a.m and ending at 11 10. okay relatively short committee day thank you um next up we have our special presentations and proclam ations and the uh item that we have is the franklin to fort leadership team report um so if you're ready come on up please hello can you hear me okay yeah thank you for bringing that a little closer to you yeah thank you thank you that's helpful so i'm jen worrell w-o-r-r-e-l-l um from the franklin to fort neighborhood leadership team um just some quick updates we did hold our annual meeting on april 28th at franklin elementary we had a really good turnout about a hundred people and um thank you to our ward representatives who were able to attend and help facilitate a nice um council q a looking ahead through the summer we have several upcoming events on may 30th we're hosting a neighborhood cleanup with refreshments and snacks available at franklin park during the day and we'll also have two upcoming ice cream socials planned and those will be updated um in our minutes and on our page so that was that was pretty much it if anybody wants to connect with us they certainly can excellent thank you and that neighborhood cleanup date is may 30th may 30th excellent all right thank you so much any questions or comments for jen all right not seeing any thank you so much really appreciate you being coming down tonight thanks for your report right so we um i'll just give a quick look ahead at what we have on our council agenda this evening in particular because we have quite a full room um and many of which may not come to council very often so i'll give you a bit update of what we have going on here we don't have any additional special presentations often this is when i'll read proclamations as well and then next we'll move to public comment for items that are not on the agenda and i 'll go into some detail on that here in a second appreciate that um we don't have any public hearings this evening nor do we have any new business as a normal course of business we have our consent agenda and then we have the midtown comments request for approval of legal documents under agenda item number 10 which is a regular business of the council committees and that in particular is the land use and planning committee so with that we'll move to public comment for items that are not on the agenda and i'll explain how this works because there's two periods of public comment for items that are not on the agenda made part of the agenda here the first period of public comment on items that are not on the agenda is limited to 20 minutes total with up to three minutes allotted per speaker each person may speak once per meeting concerning items that are not on the agenda in-person comments take precedence sign up is required and i've got that here and follows a first first serve basis the second period of public comment on items not on the agenda will follow immediately after the conclusion of all regular business and continue until all comments have been taken so with that we'll move to our public comment for items that are not on the agenda and the first person on the sign-up sheet this evening is shannon parsons so come on up identify yourself for the record i'll time you up here we've got a three minute timer up here and just make sure you can adjust that microphone just make sure you talk right into it so everybody can hear you real well okay thank you my name is shannon parsons i live in ward four i'm here to ask for an official organic land care policy for missoula's parks and playing fields i love living in missoula and especially this time of year we've got birds coming in um that we haven't seen in a long time and passing through and and being here for the spring and summer and i used to work in bird research um these days i go birding and i get excited when i have robins and chickadees in my backyard tonight i want to speak for the birds bird populations are plummeting a february 2026 study published in science shows billions fewer birds flying today than decades ago since 1970 the cornell lab of ornithology says we have lost three billion birds these are the birds of our backyards our river trails our playgrounds across the united states at least 67 million birds every single year die from causes linked to pesticides and that's a conservative estimate in missoula parks pesticides applied on our playing fields and green spaces don't just target weeds we are dismantling the food web that birds need to reproduce insects especially caterpillars are the foundation of bird bird survival 96 of terrestrial birds rely on caterpillars to feed their young a single brood of chickade es requires up to 9 000 caterpillars the american bird conservancy and chicago bird alliance have both documented this clearly using pesticides means fewer insects means fewer birds and this isn't just about birds it affects every mazoolian children children dogs families pesticides and synthetic fertilizers run off into our creeks linger in our soil and drift through the air these petro chemical fertilizers run off into our sorry these petrochemical products are also fueling climate disaster missoulians value clean water healthy families and living landscapes we must manage our public lands accordingly so here's my ask i want you as a council to adopt an official organic land care policy for all of missoula's parks and playing fields pesticide free herbicide free synthetic free not a pilot not voluntary guidelines a binding policy let's lead for people for birds and for the entire living ecosystem thank you thank you for your comments thanks for coming down tonight shannon all right i appreciate the enthusiasm so much but one thing we ask is that folks don't applaud after folk um after people make comment oftentimes people are here providing opposing views and we want to make sure everybody feels comfortable with that so thank you so much though i do do very much appreciate your enthusiasm for sure and and they were very well delivered remarks i will say all right the next paul smith paul smith come on up hello my name is paul smith smith and thank you for having this public comments period i'm here to add my voice to those that are asking us to commit missoula to pesticide free parks and playing fields and to protect our community's long-term well-being specifically to protect our children's respiratory health i'm a pediatric pulmonologist and was most recently director of pediatric pulmonary and intensive care medicine at community medical center i'm presently director for the montana side of the nih program called environmental influences on childhood health outcomes or the echo program over the last 45 years i've cared for children with asthma and other respiratory illnesses these conditions are a significant deterrent to active lives and frequently result in hospitalizations known preventable triggers do include pesticides routinely sprayed on parks where children play and the medical literature is pretty clear on this pesticides do harm they are developed to do harm according to the msu extension up to 70 million pounds of pesticides are lost to drift each year persisting as droplets or vapors for over weeks or days there are direct links between pesticide exposure and respiratory illness an nih study in 2024 confirmed that early life exposure to common herbicides increases the risk of developing childhood asthma we should all find it unacceptable to knowingly harm children in ways that we know contribute to lifelong disease children unfortunately have no say in the matter but stand to suffer the most long-lasting effects compared to adults and there's very limited if any real benefit to the community from using these poisons two of the specific herbicides used by the city of missoula are 24d and roundup are glyphosate in 2015 the international agency for research on cancer classified glyphosate is probably carcinogenic with evidence for genotoxicity when we spray our parks we're not just killing weeds we're polluting the air our children breathe during practice or play and sending chemicals into nearby neighborhoods i ask you as a council to direct parks and recreation to adopt an organic pesticide free management policy for all city parks and playing fields no 2 4d no glyphosate and no pesticides thank you thank you paul for your comments this evening thanks for coming down all right allison regentes come on up i'm allison righteous grow safe non-toxic missoula we're a volunteer run group of concerned missoula residents we advocate for the elimination of toxic pesticides to protect public health and the environment in 2016 i experienced my first acute reaction to pesticides when a neighbor sprayed their lawn my kids were in second grade at the time i quickly learned that pesticides are dangerous for all of us but especially for children over the past decades i've studied these chemicals and their many dangers at grow safe we understand chemical pollution including pesticides to be the most vital crisis we face as a world and that's because these petrochemicals are fueling climate change causing massive losses in biodiversity contributing to wide-ranging health concerns all while having harmful consequences at every stage of their life cycle safe healthy alternatives already exist organic pesticide free land care is absolutely possible on missoula's parks and playing fields many of you have met with me or others from grow safe thank you for nine years we've met with parks with every sitting mayor and we've reached out to every elected city council member missoula residents have called for pesticide free parks for decades in fact at for at least 35 years long before grow safe ever organized missoula has shown up tonight to let you see that this is an issue we care about would everyone who's here tonight who supports pesticide free parks please stand thank you all so much for being here tonight in addition to everyone here well over 1500 people have signed our petition in support of an official organic land care policy we have local scientists medical professionals organizations and businesses who've signed on in support of organic land care i brought physical printouts of our supporter list and petition i'll leave these with you including the physical signatures that we've collected toxic trespass is when we're exposed to hazardous chemicals without our consent like with pesticide drift we do not consent to the use of toxic pesticides on our parks and playing fields i do not consent to my children breathing or otherwise being exposed to known hazardous chemicals we're not going to be saved by the epa the who or any other national or international agency that means you're responsible change is most possible here at the local level in missoula with leaders who care we're looking to you tonight to lead take harmful land care tools off the table and open the door to the possibility of health and wellness thank you thank you very much allison thank you everybody for coming down appreciate you providing those to where yeah for the clerk you can provide them to the officers that's great thank you all right next next up we have suzette dusso good evening suzette dusso and i will be speaking about the city owned land that is in the city redevelopment uh land program i will not be speaking about the particular parcels that is on the agenda tonight but but but the um the notion that we do have city lands that are bought by city funds that now belong to we the people of our community and um i would suggest that this is an opportunity we have an opportunity to use these lands to put into land trust for the desperate need we have to house our missoula families so uh in the both the housing report by the city and the county the county specifically says we cannot continue to do business as usual business as usual would be to sell these to a developer to uh to develop whatever they choose to build on them but what i would love to see instead is that these city-owned lands become our community property in a land trust where the land is then no longer taxed as a property tax the land is no longer assessed as part of the value of that home and so that home automatically becomes less um uh less valuable and it may makes it hopefully more affordable for our working families the missoula organization of realtors publishes a uh study every year and i was stunned to find that 60 of the new people looking to buy homes in missoula are not from our our community they are from across the nation and this is a deep pocket we've seen it happen over and over again where those from who have wealthier deeper pockets can out bid our community members and so and also the missoula our organization of realtors produced another affordability scale that i handed out to you a couple weeks ago and i'm sure you perused it because it's good information it's the information we need to make decisions and so i would suggest that we take this the city library for instance keep it in the public hands make it a senior housing two or three stories above a human scale not eight not ten stories put child care underneath it for the working families that come to missoula the fox site if it ever falls apart again as a sale put two sister condos next door to each to the clark fork manor which houses 133 um of our senior citizens at a at an affordable rate build two more on the other side that is what we need to do with our with these city lands thank you thank you suzette bob giardano bob are you here there you are come on up hi good evening council good to see you all again thank you for the work you do to keep health in the city prosperous city healthy city for all ages all abilities all of us that live here i want to speak in support of grow safe in support of healthy places in support of the people in the nature and the trails in the parks community asset for all of us i was biking home a couple weeks ago through greeno park and the little sign said chemicals have been sprayed stay off and i went a little further and there's a couple with their small child rolling in the grass it's not safe i told them this has just been sprayed i had no idea our parks are very open we can't expect everyone to come in one spot read all the little tiny signs it should not be hazardous and we know we can do better we know we can do organic land care i'd be willing to organize volunteers citizens can play a role i direct free cycles we just reworked our mission it now says we all have the right to move freely and safely in an unpolluted world so moving through our trails and our parks we we have an expectation and it is the way we've always done kind of things chemicals and trying to spray and we all want um good flora and fauna it doesn't have to be either or we can do this i really like the platform grow safe is put forward and i think working together we can we can have a healthy healthy place thank you thanks for coming down all right barbara pulle come on up barbara pulle come on up okay okay waiting for an agenda item okay great thank you all right folks we have a few more minutes if anybody else wishes to make public comment for items that are not on the agenda for items that are not on the agenda tonight for the agenda then we'll wait just a few minutes then yep these are for public comment for items that are not on the agenda not seeing any in the room i'll i'll look online here to see if anybody has any public comment for items that are not on the agenda all right it's not looking like we do so that wraps up our public comment period for items that are not on the agenda thank you all so much uh given that there is a lot of folks here for this particular item if you feel like you don't want to stay for the whole meeting it's okay to get up and leave or please feel free to stay with us we'd love to have you all night but i just wanted to let you know that if you've got to get scooting it's okay we're going to go ahead and and move on with our agenda item and thanks again for coming down for those that are headed out um so as i mentioned we don't have any public hearings this evening thanks again folks for coming down tonight see you later okay okay no public hearings no new business so we'll move right to our consent agenda this evening miss trimble if you'll go ahead and share on screen the consent agenda i'll read aloud that items on the consent agenda were approved in city council committees to be placed on the consent agenda to save time at council meetings by voting on them as a package city clerk will read the list aloud so citizens watching on mcat will know what is on the consent consent agenda and will invite community comment on these items before we vote all right on this evening's consent agenda we have a motion to approve accounts payable or claims for checks dated may 19th 2026 in the amount of 1 million 367 thousand six hundred nineteen dollars and 55 cents we have a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign a sub recipient agreement with the montana fish wildlife and parks to accept a land and water conservation fund grant to help fund development of the park on the north scott north scott street we have a motion to approve the resolution relating to the financing of the proposed park on north scott street establishing compliance with reimbursement bond regulations under the internal revenue code we have a motion to set a public hearing for june 1st 2026 to consider the resolution for the third quarter fiscal year 2026 amendments to the annual appropriations we have a motion to confirm the mayor's appointment of jack son bunch to the missoula commission or police commission for a term beginning may 1st 2026 and exp iry on april 30th 2029 we have a motion to set a public hearing for june 1st 2026 for notification of jag 2025 grant application and approval of the required mou with the missoula county regarding the edward byrne justice assistance grant we have a motion to set a public hearing on june 1st 2026 to consider an ordinance amending the missoula municipal code chapter 12.44 entitled cemeteries to add language prohibiting the use of unmanned aerial devices on cemetery property and author izing vaultless green burials we have a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign the professional services agreement with wg wgm group at a cost not to exceed 84 or sorry excuse me 46 850 dollars for the clay street water main replacement project we have a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign the professional services agreement with wm gm group for the jackson place water main replacement project at a cost not to exceed 47 200 we have a motion to approve the agreement with mark and dar la pollock to release and extinguish the city's 14 foot wide flinn ditch easement located on tract one of certificate of survey 6692 and grant the mayor the authority to execute all documents necessary to finalize the transaction we have a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to approve the bid award to three rivers land works llc for the maloney ranch step decommissioning project at its cost not to exceed 354 938.31 and to authorize the return of bid bonds and our last item this evening is a motion to approve a resolution regarding an application of the reserve street safety implementation and demonstration project and the entailed local match commitment of up to 250 000 for the grant if the grant is awarded all right thank you mr umble uh with that do we have any public comment for these agenda items for items that are on the consent agenda please come on up bob party pardon me and please introduce your name again if you would thank you mayor bob giordano and i'm speaking as a citizen uh there's one item that really catches my attention on this and i think it's been something that folks have been thinking about for a while that's green burial and i um i connect it to what a lot of people spoke about earlier just being gentler on the land and integrated and um with the land with nature and i just want i'm excited about this option and that we can think about life and think about death and the cycles and um how we're all we're all one if you will and i'm encouraged and ask that you keep going with the notion that we our cemetery can play a role and allow green burial and i hope it's the beginning of a conversation for this community on how we live lightly on the land thank you thank you very much bob thanks for your comments anybody else for public comment on the consent agenda okay i'll give a quick look here online to see if we have any members of the public all right not seeing any thank you so next we'll move to ask if any council members would like to separate an item or abstain and i see your hand raised counselor jordan thank you um i wanted to pull 9.2 out and i sent an email to everyone and director yoshioko got back to me with some of the concerns i had and i am comfortable not pulling it from the consent agenda now but i just wanted to make a little bit of a statement about my concerns if that's okay generally speaking we don't make comments on consent agenda items unless we're gonna separate them but um go ahead we'll do that since we got relatively long and i know you sent out some questions yeah after it was approved in committee you're welcome to do that i appreciate that thank you i'll be quick i think my my biggest concern is just about full ada accessibility within the dog park um and that's not something that i don't think i was super clear about in my email to you miss yoshi oka um and just making sure that you know i i had a call from a constituent today and that's what brought it up um just that we are addressing some ada concerns but we're not always fully ada compliant and i think that um specifically the chips in the dog park are going to be really hard for folks in wheelchairs and i just want to make sure we have a good conversation about ticking all the ada boxes before while this design is being um created so otherwise i'm happy to vote for it and leave the consent agenda i just wanted to flag that so thank you thank you you bet thank you director yoshioko for providing those follow-up items for information all right then with that i don't see any other council requests for separation or abstention so with that we'll do a voice vote please thank you all right voting on this evening's consent agenda all in favor say aye hi and any opposed and that passes unanimously okay thank you very much great so next we'll get to uh the item in regular business which is midtown commons request for approval of legal uh documents and um this is item 10.1 dot e dot b for anybody that's following along on the agenda both in the room and online so we'll go ahead and get started um i'll give folks a quick run of show because this is regular business on in an item that was already approved in agenda so i'll um i'll kick off the staff presentation we have a couple of members of staff here um both uh giving a synops is of the project as well as uh information new information on questions that was asked since the land use and planning committee um and then because again this is coming from a committee we'll hear we 'll get the motions on the floor and then we'll open it up to public comment and then council members will have an opportunity to ask questions then and then also provide comments before we do a roll call vote on this agenda item there are three motions so there'll be three separate votes we're aware of that all right so with that i'll go ahead and kick off our our agenda item here and um we'll give a recap of of what we're doing here today we are here asking for city council to endorse two purchase and sale agreements and approve a development agreement which includes a tax increment financing request for the midtown commons project and this is a real important opportunity to bring new life to land that has sat largely vacant since 1976 nearly 50 years and to do so in a way that is consistent with long-standing community goals and adopted city policies the vision for this area did not start with this city council or with this administration many outcomes the project achieves improved connectivity expanded park space housing and reinvest reinvestment in midtown were identified more than two decades ago when the urban renewal district three plan was approved by city council and then in 2002 when the urban land institute studied this area and concluded that it is an area where some of the most intense development and mixed-use types would occur in mid midtown missoula so to be clear the project proposal that we have recommended and is in front of you today is not the most intense development allowed under uh our current zoning or development code it is a project though that we believe strikes a balance between one that is compatible with the neighborhood achievability in today's market and capable of delivering meaningful public benefit you can see on the screen here the project history starting back in 2000 and then major significant community-led um plans and uh are identified here through the urban renewal three plan the urban land institute study the midtown master plan which was adopted in 2023 you 'll see in here that's when we purchased the city purchased the land from the private property owners in 2024 um we adopted the post which is our um parks recreation open space and trails plan in 2025 and then here we are in 2026 and that's exactly what we said we would do when we purchased the property 18 months ago we said we would be bringing it forward to achieve publicly adopted city goals the plan was not to sit on it uh the plan was to purchase it master planet and and and achieve multiple city goals um midtown commons is a really strong example of the mosaic approach this approach we've been talking about for a while that's outlined in the city lands redevelopment strategy and we know there's no single solution to missoula's housing needs it is um like almost anything this large it is an ongoing um moving target we need deeply affordable housing we need workforce housing we need attainable home ownership opportunities and we need housing choices for people at all different stages of life so on your screen this is um a housing bridge that helps articulate the different goals we have set out across a number of city adopted plans and we call this the housing bridge missoula needs all types of housing and and you can see from the far left side we need everything from very low income housing which would be considered supportive housing which has been recently developed through blue hair in place in partnership with the missoula housing authority and home ward and blue line development that project is for people that are chronically homeless and that um are successful because of the wraparound services on site that was a very large partnership project that the city has also been involved in so you can see there that we're talking about everything from zero to 30 area median income which is somebody that might be living on social security disability income um moving up the bridge we're talking about folks that earn um housing that's deeply subsidized or low income rentals uh right now the city um well not the city i should say our private partners opportunity resource has opportunity place under construction which is 24 homes that are being built with the housing tax credit program and the city invested both infrastructure dollars as well as dollars through our workforce housing program through the missoula redevelopment agency um and you can see here that some of the um the wages that are earned in our community are identified these are wages that are identified through department of labor and um also the census information and if one one thing i will say is that this information is a little more than a year old so folks have likely um received a cost of living increase or at least i hope so if wages are a little higher that's because but this gives an idea of what reportable wages are and a lot of times what we're talking about we talk about moderate income middle income low income upper middle income there are housing needs across this entire housing bridge and the city of missoula's policies address all of these not one project is going to address every single one it is simply impossible to do that i heard somebody say that we should not keep trying to do the same thing and that's exactly what we're doing we 're bringing something different to you this mosaic approach allows us to meet a whole host of different city goals on different city properties and so the midtown commons project allows us to now jenny will you flash to the next slide for me please thank you uh if this allows us to meet a whole host of different kinds of housing types on one project which is a rarity this chart gives you an example of what is currently under development right now at this point in time not in our city's history not 10 years down the road but right now at various points rivara uh community land trust it is 89 community land trust homes that are under construction and some are on the market today this was the city's investment uh land donation using our tax increment financing um tool for both uh infrastructure investment and then as well as workforce housing itself um and these homes will be permanently affordable attainable home ownership opportunities if you or anybody that you know is interested applications are being taken by front step clt through may 22nd 2026 and i hope folks will take advantage of this you can see here that there are condomin iums and townhomes that are built as part of this project i mentioned opportunity place opportunity place is a project of opportunity resources this is a project that significantly expands accessible and um and accessible and uh the other term i'm looking for adaptable housing and this project on third street will not only provide uh 24 new permanently affordable apartments for rent but also studio space and gallery space for the opportunity um artists and so we're really excited about this you can see that there was no land donation because the opportunity resources owned the land there previously but the city did contribute through our tax increment financing tools again to help invest in the infrastructure that was necessary for that project as well as the bricks and mortar that helped build these affordable apartments the next project i'll mention is franklin crossing it's con it's inclusive of both apartments and townhomes total unit count on this project is 225 homes 193 of those are permanently deed restricted homes people that are earning 30 percent 70 percent of the area median income if you remember that housing bridge i showed you these are folks that are very low income probably living on i would say on um either minimum wage or that are earning social security income minimum social security income or social security disability income and then up to 70 percent of the area median income which might be somebody that's a retail sales worker living um potentially with somebody like a veterinary assistant these are folks that are living and working in our community um and that need affordable stable rents um franklin crossing is being built um at the corner of north and john son and um i know i've mentioned this before but i'm really happy to report that the montana board of housing just unanimously voted to move franklin crossing forward to the next application phase franklin crossing was the most supportive project in the state of montana they still have to get approval before we know that they'll fully get funded but this is an incredible opportunity and one that will really make a significant impact in our affordable housing needs in missoula and then lastly midtown commons you can see on the home types listed up top as i mentioned before apartments condominiums townhomes and single-family homes the thing that i want to emphasize here is that we talk quite a bit about the need to invest in what's called capital a affordable housing that's the deed restricted affordable housing in franklin crossing or opportunity place it takes significant public subsidy to do that and so we have to figure out how do we meet all of these different housing needs and one way we're able to do that is projects like midtown commons one of the things that we've identified in numerous publicly adopted housing policies is trying to find ways to achieve the missing middle well what's the missing middle the missing middle is something that we used to see in our neighborhoods before we had zoning frameworks that often isolated different housing types from one another so the city of missoula has just adopted a very proactive unified development code however looking back we had segregated zoning districts that didn't really allow easily the construction of condominiums it didn't really easily allow the construction of townhomes in all neighborhoods that's not the case today i'm really excited that this council unanimously adopted that proactive unified development code and with much of the help of folks in this audience thank you and this project dials in on that and the importance of that is because people that are earning moderate wages then have the opportunity to afford those homes but those homes don't necessarily have to be achieved through deep subsidy all of these opportunities have a significant place in the housing market and a housing bridge so you can see i'm i'm excited about this opportunity i'm excited about what we're going to see um come down the the pike as as a result of this and um i just want to to say before i hand it over to the staff to continue with our presentation that um as the as the council knows because we talked about this quite a bit the city and the developer are sharing responsibility for infrastructure costs at midtown commons and the republic the public receives substantial value back both through the land improvements that we're doing and the permanent public amenities that we're creating through this project so for example a complete park connections both for motor vehicles but as well as for bicycles and for pedestrians and so um with that i'd like to go ahead and turn it over to annette i believe annette you're going to go ahead and provide a staff summary thank you mayor um i'm annette marsheshoe i'm a project manager with the missoula redevelopment agency and before i get started with my comments about the midtown commons project um i do want to correct the record from some statements that i made at wed nesday's land use and planning committee um i misspoke when i said that the phase one environmental site assessment included cultural resource and vegetation surveys um and when i am when i discovered that i had spoken um inaccurately i immediately notified council sent you an email last week um but i wanted to correct the record um verbally and um just just make sure that you know that i regret this error with that i will jump into a brief um overview of the midtown commons project so what you see on the screen in front of you is renderings of what would be the townhomes which i think handsomely fit into um the the neighborhood um jenny if you could go to the next slide so i'll briefly walk you through the um this is the site plan um and to orient you on this site plan um north is to the top of the graphic you'll see mary avenue running um horizontally across the project the roundabout at mary avenue then would lead to a new connection of johnson street um south from that mary avenue roundabout down to eaton street um and the elements of the development would include this in the center this 1.6 acre um public park uh townhouses to the right they're just um south of bob wards which is that white kind of the right um upper right in your screen um multi-family housing just south of the park uh condominiums um west west of the park and there um and then down at the south um some single family homes and then the the purple um blocks would be commercial um uh proposed commercial um so this pro or this project includes uh proposed uh proposed 20 townhomes about 152 condominiums um 56 multi-family apartments and six single-family homes next slide please so as the mayor pointed out council is being asked to take action on three agreements this evening one is a purchase and sale agreement for the mary avenue project that project or that i'm sorry the mary avenue property that property is uh just south of the round about at mary avenue this would be a simultaneous purchase and sale in which the city buys the parcel for 1.3 million dollars and then immediately upon closing sells the property to miramonte so a simultaneous buy sell and sells the property to the developer for the same price that this the city purchase it this would be a seller financed transaction the city will finance this purchase through a promissory note and trust indenture that the developer will repay as housing units are sold the second purchase sale agreement is for what we're calling the midtown commons the city that's the 13 13 and a half acres of property that the city purchased at the end of 2024 the city will sell that property to the developer for 5.9 million dollars which is the same price that the city purchased and protections are built into this sale agreement the land will be transferred to the developer in phases so the developer would be asked to complete phase one and phase two which include the infrastructure and is not allowed to begin the later phases unless um until 50 percent of the outstanding debt has been repaid and full repayment would be required within five years repayment is tied to pro the progress of the vertical the development so that helps reduce upfront costs but it also helps protect public investment the repayment proceeds from um both of these purchase and sales will go to the city's affordable housing trust fund unless city council directs otherwise the third um document that city council is being asked to um take action on tonight is the development agreement uh be between the city the missoula redevelopment agency and the developer for the full build out of the project it includes timeline requirements infrastructure must be completed by december 31st of 2029 the full project must be completed by the end of 2033 unless there are mutual agreement and um by both parties and city council would um weigh in if if those dates were um requested to be modified the mra board has approved using up to 10.9 million dollars to reimburse the developer for infrastructure costs which include roads sidewalks utilities and the new public park and trail connections the developer will in turn make a five million dollar payment to mra as units are sold in consideration of the city's financing and mra's infrastructure investment and um as a part of this development agreement the developer is also um committed to donate the completed park and the trail connections back to the city um and then let's see next slide um just want to walk through a brief synopsis of the um the numbers um so the city um cost for the land purchase was seven point two will be seven point two million dollars so 5.9 for the uh what we're now calling the midtown commons project and 1.3 million for the mary avenue project the city's um t iff investment or the city's cost for public infrastructure improvements is 10.9 million dollars um eight point s and these are estimates uh 8.4 million estimated for the uh utilities excluding the park and 2.5 million for the park itself in turn revenue to the city from the developer the developer will repay the cost of the land that the city has paid out so 7.2 million dollars and the developer will provide that infrastructure cost sharing of five million dollars so a 12.2 million dollar revenue back to the city tiff costs um so this tiff funding was used to purchase the land that's coming back to the city um the cost for public infrastructure the mra has approved 10.9 million dollars for that um so that's an outlay but then the revenue um coming back from the developer of 12.2 million dollars do the math on that and the city outlay is estimated to be about 5.9 million dollars the total private development cost for this project is um a little over 94 million dollars so it's it's a pretty good investment from the um the city side um the final slide will just show you the master plan for the public park um this uh i i don't know that i'll i need to go through all of the um elements um marina i'll just um you can see let's see we'll just start at the top um we've got a a shade shelter um we've got a playground area teen area uh community a large open lawn a little bit of topography to give some some visual interest and um to interest on the ground plane some benches and adult swings drinking fountain some of the planting uh includes a pollinator native habitat restroom multi-use sport court pedestrian bridges to get you over the irrigation ditch uh riparian area and and there will be public art included and i will note that this master plan was arrived through a public process where um neighborhood uh the folks were invited to come and input and actually move things around on paper to design their own parks and then it got melded into this final master plan and with that i'll stop my comments and turn it back over to you mayor thank you very much and i appreciate that i do believe we have new information to share via a staff report so i will turn it over to uh administrative officer dale bickle thank you mayor dale bickle chief administrative officer uh yes we've provided some new information uh to council um i'm just going to go through those things uh quickly here um we did provide a staff response um in written responses to questions that were raised during the last lup meeting this these were updated provided to council via email and updated to the agenda uh earlier this afternoon um hopefully these responses clarify many policies process and infrastructure questions um that were raised um at lup last week um did want to note that some questions um raised by counselors relate to issues that arise later in the project during actual permitting um and so some of the responses uh uh in those in that report um that's attached to the agenda indicate that um and i would note that there are many staff members in the room and online that are available to um answer additional questions uh secondly we uh we did provide um the engineer's estimate the opinion of probable cost here to this this is this is for the uh eight eight point four million dollars of what i'll call traditional infrastructure roads uh utilities sidewalks um those type of um that type of infrastructure uh note that this estimate is based on the conceptual design of the site and not fully designed in engineer plans it also includes a 30 percent contingency due to unknowns at this point so those as we go as the developer moves through the perm itting process um those will be reviewed uh as they through by our engineering department and cpdi um to get to the final plans before they um go to construction documents um third is uh there is a uh an amendment to a proposed amendment to the development agreement and this is we had a discussion about the about an owner occupancy um at midtown commons for the for sale units um this amendment clarifies that um that this that's the intent of the city and the developer to have um owner occupancy requirements for the for sale units um so there is a friendly amendment to add a two-year requirement for uh for ownership of the for the for sale units uh there and that um and so that would be attached in the motions um as a friendly amendment um and fourth i just want to clarify uh what's being asked for tonight and not um you know the council is being asked to prove the purchase and sale agreements and the development agreements that establish the conceptual site design and park design um a lot of the detailed technical questions raised things like ada compliance environmental permitting building standards uh engineering review those are all part of the future permitting process um and the developers required to follow city standards and laws and regulations um so after the land is conveyed miram onte must meet the same requirements that apply to every development in missoula including all of the including ada building code stormwater zoning um and all applicable federal state and local laws so just wanted to uh make that clear um and with that um director yoshioka also i wanted some clarifying comments related to parks excellent thank you my name is marina yoshioka parks and recreation director at the last hearing last week council raised several questions i wanted to come back and address more completely particularly around the trees the irrigation ditch and what this project would have looked like in private hands so let's start with that last point this site was subdivided roughly 75 years ago that's an estimate now um now that the parcel is being developed without a new subdivision request it means no park dedication requirement applies had the property transferred to a private developer without city involvement there would be zero public park space provided it's important to remember that any activity area requirement could be satisfied entirely through private amenities like balconies courty ards and common areas accessible only to property residents nothing for the surrounding neighborhood or public though instead the city stepped in and found a development partner willing to meet public goals alongside private ones that's what is making this park possible council asked whether this neighborhood has a documented park access gap it does pros to identify this area as lacking a park within a 10 minute walk or roll this project closes that gap and adds trail connections to mrl park and the bitter root trail on the trees and the ditch i know this has been a point of concern in the community and i share that concern we the city parks and recreation we don't take tree removal lightly cottonwoods have evolved to grow fast and die young that's why cottonwoods thrive along flood prone rivers in a riparian forest environment the parks and recreation department understands the importance of riparian areas and manages roughly 400 acres of city-owned riparian forest with intact black cottonwood forests greenhoe park is a great example of a 40 acre community natural area with intact cottonwood forests in the valley however in our developed active use parks cottonwoods are not ideal trees we've removed over 40 cottonwoods from playfair and mccormick parks where they were threatening infrastructure or public safety we also occasionally remove them along our commuter trail system when they are adjacent to high use areas because of the way they break apart as they age causing hazards to people below them our obligation is to make sound long-term decisions about public property and public safety and that means being honest about what we have the cottonwoods on this property are aging trees growing from ditch banks with structural concerns and no history of maintenance the irrigation ditch is an engineered conveyance not a natural stream the habitat historically is of an upland dry field and these are not the conditions that define a healthy rip arian corridor even though i understand why it can feel that way when you 're standing there looking at mature trees and running water we recognize that for some in this community these trees carry real meaning and that loss is worth naming and i want to acknowledge that grief here tonight it's true that this property will be different it is change and we are building a park designed for everyone maintained accessible and built to serve this neighborhood and i'm happy to take questions very much director yoshioka very much appreciate your additional comments and information as well as cao dale bickle thank you both uh with that we will wrap up our staff presentation and bring it to land use and planning chair counselor nug ent to hear the three motions plus i believe a friendly amendment based on the home ownership owner occup ancy and on to you counselor nugent all right thank you mayor davis and i want to thank the staff dale and ryan sudberry uh for for working with some of the the feedback we had on the owner occupancy and the mayor and i had some good conversations and i appreciate the developer uh speaking with dale and ryan as well so i'm excited to offer that amendment right up front so with that i move city council approved the real property purchase and sale agreement between the city and miramont companies llc for the midtown commons property purchase formerly known as southgate crossing i further move city council approved the real property purchase and sale agreement between the city and miramont companies llc for the tollison property purchase and i further move city council approve the development agreement for the midtown commons project between miramonte companies llc cuts off the city and the missoula redevelopment agency sorry and then i further move that we add item 4 12 to the development agreement this is a friendly amendment for sale units owner occupancy restrictions in the buy sale agreement for the first sale of each unit in the development developer shall include an addendum that requires the buyer to represent and warrant to developer that a buyer is purchasing the unit as the buyer's principal residence or second home and not for investment purposes and b buyer shall use the unit as buyer's primary residence or second home and shall not lease the home to any third party for the first 24 months following the closing date subject to the developer's approval of exceptions for extenuating circumstances that are beyond the buyer's control buyers breach and such representations and warranty shall entitle the developer to remedies and including fines and or injunctive relief the final form of the addendum shall be subject to the approval of the mayor in the event that the developer is notified in writing by the city or the homeowners association that a specified buyer is suspected of breaching such representation and warranties a buyer breach and developer does not use reasonable efforts to ascertain where there is in fact a buyer breach and if a developer determines in good faith there has been a buyer breach to enforce the owner occupancy restrictions contained in buy sell agreement with the buyer then the developer will be in breach of this term because determining damages for this breach will be very difficult and because this term is material to the city's tip investment the city shall recover liquidated damages in the amount of ten thousand dollars per unit or a buyer to breach is not enforced and that is attached to the agenda excellent thank you very much chair nugent so we've got three motions plus a friendly amendment that is on the floor and so with that we'll open this agenda item up to public comment i'll go ahead and help people track the three minutes they have available for public comment please say your name for the record make sure you speak into the microphone so we can hear your comments all as you've seen i'll track you up here and with that we'll go ahead and invite members of the public to come on up and share your comments please and go ahead and queue up if there are folks that want to speak tonight let's make sure we have folks come on up come on up hello my name is sharon davidson and i'm speaking tonight for the grove and the bedtown commons my paintings that i brought today my art are fundamentally connected to missoula waterways they are jewels and i'm inspired by them and my art is a homage to them these accessible pockets of green in our neighborhoods are jewels that support wildlife and native species that literally come to life when water ditches run they are jewels we can't afford to give away we can can't get them back after we do i first discovered these pockets in my neighborhood during the pandemic lockdown it surprised me that these miniature landscape views were on every street where the broader ditches run i began taking photos and these views and use them to create the paintings you see here my intention is to bring attention to these small parks as urban sanctuaries places to seek solace observe wildlife close to home and appreciate the reflections of the running water the grove is the largest of our small neighborhood spaces it is home to a variety of tree species birds native plants and a visiting great horn owl there are pathways for close-up long-term exploration the proposed development behind the southgate mall does not have to destroy the grove it can be incorporated into the proposed park plan the historical and present-day significance of the grove must be documented and protected providing shade and reducing pavement in urban areas and settings in the middle of so much commercial development in our neighborhood is crucial and to preventing long-term adverse heat effects to our ecosystem the grove is key to affirming the essential value not the luxury of natural spaces we need to ask who are the better stewards of these spaces mall as they might be the people who live here work here who see it as a home or those who see it as an opportunity for development as a foot in the door for more development to maximize profits and if history is any indication leave those who live here with the consequences we need to ask about the destruction of habitats the infrastructure impacts on street and parking this is not an old story and as missoulians and montanans we know it happens on both large and small scales we should also know how these stories usually end thank you thank you sharon thank you for your comments and for sharing your painting anybody else wishing to make public comment come on up hi uh my name is adam cook um i just wanted to uh get up and uh uh first speak to the uh uh the matter of um owner occupancy requirements for uh new units um i uh while i respect and understand the rationale behind uh uh uh the uh the uh uh uh amendment to include uh owner occupancy requirements i think that it is good to weigh the perceived benefits of these uh uh along with potential unintended consequences for uh tenants uh as um uh owner occupancy requirements can in effect function as uh as uh rental bands essentially and it's important to uh uh to consider those consequences uh will will they be a net negative in this case um i think there's reason to to suspect so and i think that that should be that should be taken into consideration um on the whole however i would really like to i mean congratulate the uh uh city and council and the mayor on uh uh on making projects like this happen um when we house another 500 people uh in this space that's 500 more people with ruse over their heads it's 500 more people who aren't driving in from huson and french town and lolo uh we're burning less gasoline we have fewer cars on the road um and as a large body of economic research shows for every uh uh three market rate units that come online we create about uh two more vacancies in um uh in lower income units and so i want to just you know applaud the expediency of this project it's important to make things happen and to uh uh to keep moving forward and show that this is something we can accomplish so thank you thank you for your comments adam next public comment come on up do we have anybody that wishes to make public comment in the room hi i'm barbara pulley and p-u-l-l-e-y is my last name and i have been to different meetings and while public input can slow the midtown commons development construction progress a lot of public questions and concerns have not been addressed before appro ving this sale and when the mri has delegated its function to the missoula economic partnership who will be liable for the these negotiations will the missoula economic partnership be li able for its omissions or errors in the negotiations will mri be held accountable for cost overruns for the environmental cleanups including the tolls of property if so mri should reduce the property tax increment tax increase to the urban renewal district three taxpayers and why would mr tolbson sell the parcel for five hundred thousand dollars less than he purchased it my son 35 years ago rode his bike near that dumped wood fill before it was covered with tons of dirt and you need to talk to those neighbors from 40 years ago because i think that environmental cleanup is going to be much greater thank you thank you for your comments barbara next public comment come on up if anybody's in the room and wishes to make public comment come on up oh otherwise i'll head to folks online okay come on up hi it's kathy scrivener again and i am speaking for the grove and honestly i don't really we haven't really heard particularly good reasons for destroying an entire group of 250 trees that are i'm going to read um a home to any number of raptors and mammals and songbirds and kestrels and herons and owls even this remarkable area has not only weathered freak windstorms and blizzards over decades but every single tree survived the derecho in 2024 and i was back there making sure nobody in their tent actually died that day um and not a tree limb came down um as thousands of other native and non-native trees crashed down upon vehicles homes businesses throughout missoula why i have cottonwood and i do appreciate the study around black cottonwoods i know there can be very tricky trees but why have this particular group of hardwoods and cottonwood survived all these years in such an exposed area because mother nature knows what she's doing by acting as cooperative ecosystems rather than competitors mixed trees species of trees in the grove strengthen themselves via extensive root systems through which they become more resource efficient thus going without for six months of the year which with the irrigation ditch is gone it increases their resilience to disease pests and wind throw meanwhile thousands again crashed around missou la during that time because they're monocultured and because they're manicured they're hand watered essentially we all benefit from the hard work and intelligence of mature trees and the gifts of oxygen shade habitats they support natural medicines they create an emotional and spiritual substance they provide substance um these old friends deserve not only our respect and our reverence but our kindness and our compassion as well and it boggles the mind that the city honestly intends to destroy every precious tree in an area otherwise lacking critical established shade habitat especially with climate change especially because it's a heat island with every creative opportunity people and financial opportunity at your fingertips to weave this into a park a complete park experience and you know what it could be like reno it could be like tom allen west side north side franklin and you know what it could be like a mccormick rather than a pavilion with biomimicry when we already have the real thing aren't we in the more blue collar areas deserving of a park that includes natural habitat and mature shade trees so my last pitch is both socioeconomic and a spiritual one because a number of the grove visitors do not have the same access to have the same access to local trail heads as more affluent mazoolians who can escape nature or to nature more easily in other words it's it for many people who meditate there pray nap share stories and grieve loved ones and as a chaplain who's inadvertently served the grove for many years as both a grief counselor and fellow griever this sheer number of personal stories and experiences there is enough to designate it a holy ground and it is and that's all i'm gonna say thank you thank you kathy all right anybody else up for public comment anybody else up for public comment come on up hi uh sarah giuliani in october 2025 i emailed all counselors and the mayor regarding the impact the midtown commons development could have on the surrounding community i expressed concerns over the task force recommendations such as quote prioritization and pragmatism will help the city avoid imposing unattainable requirements on redevelop ment end quote i questioned if this was a loophole that could degrade mitigating potential environmental and socioeconomic impacts at the time my focus was how a large development utilizing tiff to subsidize market rate housing would impact the lower income neighborhood flash forward to today and my concerns have grown exponentially this plan will drastically reduce green space in an area of town already deficient why is this lower income working class community who have been funding the m ra some for 26 years getting short changed this is not equitable development this plan also bulldozes all trees in an area surrounded by asphalt one of the trees yes is the cottonwood and it's the native and keystone species but there are a lot of other tree varieties there how is it ethical to wipe out this neighborhood's trees and replace them with asphalt the consequence will likely be reduced air quality and increased temperatures in midtown this may violate the montana constitution which guarantees all people have a right to a clean and healthful environment the narrative that trees are not suitable for an urban setting is misleading look up when you're walking around neighborhoods and observe how many cottonwoods and elms you see justifying raising all trees because a private owner could do the same thing as just disingen uous as a community we purchased the land and now it is in our care may we be good stewards of the land care for the next generation and uphold the montana constitution councilors i'm sorry that the city put you in this position because this development should never have gotten to this point as our representatives i hope you are empowered to hold the line and protect this vital ecosystem thriving in the middle of town one form of protection is designating a portion of the land as open space the trees are caring for us all in ways most of us don't perceive or appreciate and are vital to our health and well-being so thank you for your time today thank you to all of you who have come to visit the land i do appreciate it um and if you feel like you need more time on this you can take more time this does not have to be rushed this process has gone very quickly so put it back to council if you feel like you need more time because there are a lot of us with some serious concerns and so if you share those concerns it's okay to take a little bit more time so thank you all very much thank you sarah all right read this fast my name is tim winger i've worked at south gate mall for 20 years and i i'll soon serve as president of the missoula midtown association i'm here in support of the midtown commons project and i recognize and respect the concerns being shared tonight i want to start with something simple the people who support this project and the people who question it do want many of the same things we all care about open space about families about safety and about long-term livability of midtown and most of all we all want growth in missoula to be thoughtful and responsible i also believe support for this project is a far cry from supporting development at any cost it's about the reality of what this site is today right now and in the past this piece of private property was never intended or effectively functioned as usable open space for years those of us nearby have seen dumping debris on even ground gravel signs of illegal activity and a water feature that creates an unsafe and safe barrier instead of access these aren't abstract concerns they affect kids walking to school employees commuting through the area and create a list of safety concerns leaving it as is preserved anything hasn't preserved anything meaningful it hasn't made the area safer more accessible or more usable midtown commons addresses that directly it replaces neglect with lighting visibility safe crossings more suitable and sustainable trees and vegetation and plan for future stewardship it introduces appropriate activity the kind that discourages the very issues we're all concerned about it also does something our community has vehemently been asking for it provides housing close to where people work midtown is home to jobs in health care education retail and service industries many of those workers commute long distances because they can't afford to live nearby this project helps reduce that gap shortening commutes easing traffic and keeping people connected to the community they serve and importantly this isn't just development it delivers a true public park not leftover space not private amenities but a maintained safe and accessible place for kids families and families and neighbors i understand the instinct to protect one of the last undeveloped pieces of midtown but the status quo isn't neutral it comes with consequences and we're living them now the choice in front of us isn't between development and preservation it's between unmanaged conditions that create safety concerns or a planned community informed project that addresses them directly this project reflects years of planning strong and an abundant amount of community input over a long period of time from people who live and work closest to the site those most affected by its future i respectfully ask you to support a path that improves safety as workplace housing supports working families and long term stewardship to this property thank you for your time thank you tim all right next public comment come on up carrie schreiber southgate triangle leadership team board four yeah this property has been underutilized and it could be utilized in a beautiful way as we saw in the proposed agreements that led to the exclusivity agreement with the with the city um the city um it is a beautiful area and you see a lot of us speaking about that and and that the mall has disregarded their responsibilities that this is an unusual arrangement the financial arrangement is unusual the the all of it doesn't make sense and you all are under immense pressure and i'm sorry that people to put you under that immense pressure but this is not the best use of this land um i'm extremely emotional about this and i don't think that i have the best the best the best comments comments because of that but i also know that your pro study said that we need a park i know that your initial comments around this land said that we need a park everything is showing that and that the liability you're taking on by allowing them to change the ditch is immense it is absolutely immense if if if if if the state constitution shows that the ditches in there in the course that they're in are not liable for for maintenance or for for money's surrounding liability once we change that we're putting the people of the city liable to that at the adverse expense of us losing all of our trees and this is already like a heat um center and there's no reason that those of us downstream from the ditch didn't think that when we bought our properties that we would stay downstream from the bit from the the ditch and i mean it's i mean it's it we're being prostituted out at glane and jeffrey our mra and mep and they're prostituting the missoula out for we say oh it change it however you want we'll pay for it it it this is ridiculous and it's a lot of your comments this evening kerry next public comment come on up and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this and i'm going to thank you for the time that we have been doing this this is a very tough but for three decades we have worked diligently with the families who own this property with the dream that one day there would be housing there this has been slated in all the public plans and all the processes that we have participated in and invested in to become housing this opportunity we have to include an over an acre park there is possible only because the city was able to purchase this land and land banking only works if you move forward with the intended purpose of what this property would have been if it ever came to fruition that we were able to piece it all together into housing the reality is it probably would have been a commercial use that would not have helped our human habitat problem that we have admitted in midtown over 16 000 people work in midtown but only 1500 of them can live there most of the people who live in midtown are renting only 38 percent own their own homes so there are home ownership opportunities here there's a park that will be managed right now there it's it 's been hard to keep that clean and safe that private land so the midtown association has been very excited about this project i also was honored to sit down with members of the community who live around it many moons ago right after the city just bought it and i said i said i said what order what is the best thing oh my apologies melanie you're we're welcome to go right ahead thank you i just wanted to say that um we listen to concerns but i said back to our neighborhood what is the best thing that could happen because we always wanted housing here right that was the dream that was the community dream to have housing close to places where you could work and you can get services um hospital health care and the moral of the story is what's the best that could happen and we work towards those goals a park keeping the ditch we are still going to have water flowing through this neighborhood this has been such an exciting community collaborative process and a lot of the folks here in the room tonight have been at every one of those public meetings and this final project is better because of it so i'm proud of this project and i hope you will support it tonight it is the culmination of many many years of trying to make the urban core of missoula livable and this final um iteration of that dream it checks all the boxes of the midtown master plan and i urge you to support it thank you thank you very much melanie all right next public comment you're welcome to come up no additional public comment on in the room hi nathan stevens award five born and raised in missoula fourth generation uh green o park patty canyon the water wise guard by the higgins bridge some of my favorite places to hang out there are some amenities where this development wants to take out some native trees native shrubs choke cherry which a lot of people go down and they pick i don't understand why the developers can't use some of these native trees i don't understand why they can't you know work this into their park which is supposed to benefit everyone you know you know we don't need more pavilions we got lots of pavilions in missoula just go look at the big parks we just built lots of pavil ions to hang out in you know we're short on in this town it's places with fresh air places where you can go sit by the water places where you can you know really connect with nature and you know where it's missing most is by the mall it's a place where you know we've got a lot of stores we've got a lot of people coming from in and out of state to visit the mall a lot of people i don't like seeing to be quite honest with you i don't think they benefit this community quite a bit they're not missoula type people if you know what i mean i think having a space that's actually good for the community means clean air clean water native plants we've done that in missoula why can't this be another spot you know you guys are great about development you know think about the things that our constitution in montana says that we were guaranteed clean air water health you know this area already provides that and you want to take that away from citizens please consider that when you make your choice tonight because that's the most important thing not more housing which is not for lower incomes it's not thanks thank you for your comments dave next public comment come on up hi i'm gwen hoppy you've seen me before i'm gwen hoppy you've seen me before i was in the community i'm gwen hoppy you've seen me before i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the community i was in the 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development and is doing her best to catch up and defend the decisions uh says that only subdivisions are required to provide park land the midtown is infilled a redevelopment project because it's not processed as a subdivision no parkland would otherwise be required my counterpoint is that the missoula economic partnership requested for developers development must incorporate the park exclusive ingredient agreement said you know the city's it's required for the park so it is a requirement but it does not fit into that category the developers were supposed to incorporate pros in midtown which asks for two eight two acres this could be done by moving um the the park down somewhat into the grove taking your your uh multifamily and moving it up or there's different places that it could go and it just means that they'll have to go back to the drawing table spend a little bit more time you can compensate the developer for his loss um and so it could be a win-win i wish there was a big clock up there you know that we could watch oh no are you kidding me so um anyway i think if this uh if it doesn't go back to the committee and and city council is not following their what this the city's asking for their own stuff then it may have to go to litigation thank you gwen thank you thank you for your comments anybody else for public comment in the room here before i move to folks online hi my name is katie thompson and i'm sorry i am not a public speaker and i get nervous every time i have to come up here um this process has been um interesting um the one open house was not the proposed plan that we saw less than 30 days ago so i'm really not understanding how the public has any um input on this development we're not even um the map of what we've just seen in less than 30 days is not what we've been looking at so it's really disingenuous to act like we're part of the process um as far as saying that if a developer had bought this you know we wouldn't have had a park you know if i'd won the lottery if this or that we bought this with public funds we can do what we want with it correct it's just where we want to put our money i did see that you counselors and i was proud to see it um approved a five acre park on the north side for that type of density um and i do think it is um inequitable what you're giving us over in the hottest area of town um so i would ask that you would take extra time um to i it looks like we're doing city financing it looks like we haven't done reappraisals there's several realtors on this committee i believe um any realtor would say you should have your property reassessed um for value i mean that's how much the market changes right and it's been almost two years so i see that as a as being very unfair to the community on this type of investment that you deserve money um also you know it's really sad that you know when you're holding an asset right when you go to sell your house you can say hey i want all right um i want the septic tank you know pump down it why couldn't we ask for like three ada apartments come on people i'm a nurse we know our population's getting elderly we know we have you know people who are in need but we can't say to a developer you know what the head of mra told me she said well it's not within the um builder's purview this was at the open house no builders can do what they want right they can build it you dream it we can build it so i think it's egregious i really do i have major concerns 30 percent above i guess what is that number is that three million above the 10.9 million that mra is putting in also you know we didn't even hear the breakdown of how many townhomes condo apartments single family i will get tell you one comment that a friend of mine and her child said they don't make neighborhoods anymore it's like you know they kind of don't it's it's apartment buildings and they try to sell it as um apartment homes so i would be curious to know how many of these are for private sale for people thank you thank you for your comments katie anybody else in the room wishing to make public comment on this agenda item okay not seeing any i'll go ahead online and i do see that there are council members with hands raised but tyson o'connell is a member of the public and i 'll go ahead and invite tyson for you to share your public comment now well we'll have to get back to you okay i've i've went ahead and allowed tyson to start tyson to start tyson go right ahead hi i'm t yson o'connell i'm a missoulian and founder of united housing partners united housing partners is a company focused on affordable housing development that has partnered with the missoula housing authority to develop franklin crossing which was mentioned in the slate of projects that the mayor mentioned earlier today i served in 2025 on a group that was the that was the mayor's housing task force and it was a group of community leaders from the private sector both for-profit and non-profit along with other public leaders and i'm sorry that i couldn't attend in person tonight i'm actually at the annual montana housing conference and i did step outside the conference to come out today to give my testimony testimony and i'm here today to speak in favor of the mosaic approach to the city-owned land and the investment in midtown missoula and midtown commons as part of the housing task force i heard robust discussion from community leaders about how the city needed to stop doing business as usual by trying to get everything on every site and to adopt a strategic approach that helped accomplish mixed housing and economic development with flex with a flexible approach that prioritizes the best use for specific sites and focuses on efficiently and quickly activating this vacant city-owned land i believe there was 42 acres across town that sat for very long periods of time up to 30 years for some of this land so i commend the mayor and the city staff and the council for this task force and for taking a proactive approach because a lot of communities aren't doing that in montana even when they have a housing crisis like we have throughout the state and i and i appreciate that they're willing to invest city resources and mra funds into private public partnerships to develop the city-owned land in that mosaic approach that provides a wide range of housing types thank you very much for letting me give my testimony tonight you bet tyson thanks for joining us from the housing conference care you bet all right before we get started here again i'll go ahead and make sure there's nobody else online that wishes to make public comment all right not seeing any ma'am you can come on up and make your comment hi my name is karen giuliani and you probably heard that name mentioned a little bit here juliani i have two nieces that are very involved in um discussions and research about um this midtown midtown project and unfortunately one of my nieces couldn't make it so i'd like to read her for her and um this is what she said that this mosaic approach to developing public publicly owned properties which was developed with the mayor's land use task force seems to be a pre-planned game of dominoes where unelected officials determined which of our land should be developed in which way this task force held five or and then to our closed door oh held five to our closed door meetings there are no public meeting minutes that exist the task force did not include an environmentalist a climate expert or many other important professions a community would want to include while developing their lands what we have heard repeatedly is that in order for the proposed franklin crossing development to go through then this midtown crossing domino must fall this approach highlights one of the issues that we have been trying so desperately um to bring awareness to the lack of public inclusion and the lack of public information throughout the process this mosaic framework also leaves council under immense pressure as they are told that this midtown deal needs to go through and it needs to go through quickly otherwise the dominoes are at risk of not falling in the exact location that they need to or other projects will go down other projects down the road to go forward when you have a leader that doesn't include elected officials in important conversations about our publicly owned lands then the democratic process becomes degraded and there is not an authentic representation the mayor's land use task force and the mosaic of dominoes created in those closed door meetings is a perfect example of that council members you deserve to be included you deserve to have honestly here you deserve to have heard honestly from experts who you trust to give you correct information you deserve more time to fully understand this project and to ensure that all relevant environmental tests take place to help protect our precious trees and we deserve better as as a massillians we deserve inclusion we deserve authentic representation we deserve open transparent conversation and i kind of second some a lot of this and i i just feel like um you don't have to do this i mean um i think you do feel like you're under pressure that this is a big project and it has to go through and i hope you will vote against it thank you karen thanks for your comments all right that does look like we have wrapped up our public comments susette come on up good evening thank you and i do hope you go back to the drawing board there are a couple of better options number one as i mentioned earlier is to put the whole lot of the city land especially this parcel into land trust we uh and i'm very grateful that the city is acknowledging the fact that we do need housing and um that this plan has been in the works for three decades but i think the time is now and the time is for us to uh to look at this parcel as affordable housing not market rate housing the community has exhibited over and over again that they cannot afford market rate housing i also believe that we have this beautiful natural area much like the the duck pond on 39th street and the mccormick park fishing pond for kids that this is a natural area now remember this is a portion of a valley long community long irrigation system by channeling one little portion of it is not going to eliminate the ditch the ditch runs through our community and i have my handy dandy little map here to show you that it runs from the clark fork river to the bitter root river the other issue about this is that you notice there's a large area in blue yes we have saved this from commercial because we have sacrificed so much of our of our precious valley floor which we know is limited by our beautiful mountains and our valleys so our so we have already sacrificed a huge amount of our precious valley floor to commercial just even think not only the brook street corridor door where you see acres of asphalt and acres of single-use family of commercial buildings but we also see it along the west broadway all the way from downtown to the missoula so what i'm asking you also in the few minutes seconds i have left please do not continue this please do not continue this my uh this is not affordable in fact and it's not human scale my daughter lives in a beautiful complex in um ashland oregon and it is a tiny parcel of land which has 32 housing units part of the way they are going to be able to do that and the way they address that is by putting the garage before underneath the housing her apartment is on the second floor of this fourplex hundred and uh sixteen hundred dollars a month thirteen hundred dollars for the her neighbor who walks up that is unreal rates in missoula so let's do better please thank you suzanne thanks for your comments all right anybody else for public comment on this agenda item my name is rosemary pulicchio and i wasn't planning to speak i could you speak into the microphone a little bit sure there you go thanks i came to the growth safe but this intrigued me because i do notice that there's so much development going on in missoula and i understand it's a complicated issue because there's a shortage of housing there's no question that we need more housing but it does seem like not enough attention is being paid to the the heat asphalt wave you know i mean climate change and biodiversity and i mean a friend of mine lives on 11th street and all those trees that were cut down so that that developer could build three fairly large houses i mean those aren't going to be affordable houses and the gross beaks were always going to those trees i mean i know you know well about that situation because it's it's in your neighborhood but what the other thing that's mysterious to me is that it it seems like your your minds were made up before anybody walked in here i mean this this this was a done deal so i don't understand the public process here um you know it it it it it it's it's going through there's just it it it's obvious that that everybody 's mind was made up so i don't understand that like it's supposed to be a you know the public is supposed to have more input and i know it's been going on a long time but it does seem i i someone said i don't know that we're pretentious or what why why does it seem like there's that the public has some say here that the ones that are strongly opposing it i mean they um 100 someone said that she interviewed 100 people right there in that in that area and they don't they don't they don't want it and or they want some modification of it i mean i know the developers want it and and i know we have a housing shortage and you know some compromise maybe and and that that that housing development on fourth street across from the missoulium that was supposed to be affordable housing it's so not affordable housing i think you know where i mean it's it's across from the old missoulium i mean and and the developers get a lot of subsidies to um to create these you know they get all these opportunities and subsidies and then it just ends up not working out for the residents so well i don't think anyway and i'm i'm for the the the saving some some of the the land within the city for the birds and the you know some biodiversity right there oh it's it's it is a kind of a uh issue for working class i mean they they everybody needs to have access to green space thank you for your comments tonight all right last chance for public comment on this agenda item my name is jeff ducklow uh lived here since 2014 montana for 26 years and one of the reasons i moved here is because all the beautiful spaces and i understand the property's been sitting there as you said since 1976 as if that makes it useless because it's just sitting there it's a living breathing ecosystem it's it's doing something and people are enjoying it and it kind of makes me think if i was going through yellowstone park or if you were going to yellow stone park or glacier national park would you say oh this would be a beautiful place if only it had more structures more housing would really make this a fantastic place i don't think that's why anyone comes here it's it's because there's so much open space and a lot of people can't get out to those wild places but they are able to get to a place that's right in the middle of town to enjoy nature and i don't know if anyone really has a strong desire and longing to go to manicured parks they have their place they are nice but we have a lot of them but we have very few green open spaces where it's wild i think that's what human beings crave is a wild space to reset especially these stressful times so i would just hope the land is considered valuable not developing developing it with buildings but maybe develop it as a better open space that's it thanks thanks for your comments jack all right i believe that is everybody that wishes to make public comment on this agenda item okay uh when mary avenue comes up for sale i'd like to put a bid on so we'll go ahead with council questions please all right we're done with public comment on this agenda item and so i'm going to bring it back to council questions i see the first counselor that has their hand raised is counselor jordan thank you um i just have i have three questions i don't know how many we're going to be allowed to ask tonight but yeah why don't we start with um three questions per counselor i mean obviously there's eight pages of q a and then some more so i think um there's a lot of content out there but let's start with that i appreciate that yeah and first of all i just want to thank staff for getting back to me on my multitudes of questions and i didn't realize that y'all were working on them um and i sent more today um but i appreciate you getting back to me and after reading through them and um kind of listening to where we're at tonight i do have some questions the first one is related to the public benefit and the leverage ratio um staff confirmed in writing that about five million participate five million dollars excuse me staff confirmed in writing that without the five million dollar participation payment this project has a one to eight leverage ratio which is below the mra's own one to ten typical standard i want to be clear about what the full public comp commitment actually is the city is investing 7.2 million in land plus 10.9 million in infrastructure which is more than 18 million gross the developers paying back 7.2 million through the land purchase with 5 million potentially returned over time through condo sales leaving a net public investment of at minimum six million and significantly more if that five million doesn't fully materialize i apologize there's a little preface for this question um the five million is not a debt it's not guaranteed and has never been used in this form in a missoula mra agreement as far as i can tell i also want to add something that came to light in the cost estimate provided earlier in the meeting tonight nearly two million of the 8.4 million is a contingency which is sounds like a comment not a question are you getting to your question okay uh okay uh we have a big contingency um i guess my question is on what specific written policy basis did the mra board make a finding that a one to eight ratio presented as one to 16 by folding in an untested contingent future payment as if it were equivalent to funds already committed satisfies the mra's own investment standard and where is that written finding in the public record and separately if factual if an actual construction cost comes in below 8.4 does the unused contingency revert back to the urd3 or does miramont keep it sorry thank you you're welcome uh annette do you want to take a stab at that do you need any clarification on that question uh no i think i understand the question um annette marshes so i'm a project manager with the missoula redevelopment agency so in response to your first question about the uh ratio the one to eight or the one to 16 ratio that's not a policy at mra that's a um sort of a rule of thumb that we take a look at are we making a good investment or not um and we in addition to the ratio the board has um accepted uh investments that have a lower ratio because they have a really high public benefit and we believe that this project has a really high public benefit regardless of whether it's a one to eight ratio or a one to 16 ratio in response to your second question um oh with regard to the contingency so mra will only reimburse what's spent on this project so they have a the estimate is about 10.9 million dollars if and the contingency is high because it's really early in the project and it's it's hard to get really hard estimates when you're this early into a project so it's not uncommon to have a contingency that high the mra will reimburse the uh developer for costs that are actually expended and based on invoices that come in so that's if if the contingency is not spent it will not go out of mra thank you annette thank you so it will go back to urd3 if it's not spent it won't it will not leave urd3 gotcha thank you um i appreciate that response thank you my second question is about the park design um staff confirmed in writing that the final park design reflects revisions made by the private development team to balance parking circulation and other programmatic constraints the public is paying 2.5 million for the park and i want to note that the cost estimate released to take today explicitly lists the park as schedule d with zero stating that it's not part of the estimate so that means that the 2.5 million dollar park sits entirely on top of the 8.4 million we've been discussing and it was designed around the developers private program needs rather than public engagement process parks conducted so i'm curious about who and why made the final decision to accept a developer driven park design over what came out of the public engagement process and more specifically about the why is why is why is that acceptable on a 2.5 million dollar public investment in a neighborhood that prost already identifies as park deficient mr biggle or miss yoshioka who would like to take this question i will take it okay great thank you the park design was indeed driven through public process through the workshops i described last week the park size was driven by the constraints on the site which you mentioned earlier the parking and the circulation so there is a difference between the two final question uh yeah i i guess i just want to say really quickly that i don't think the park necessarily reflects the public's desires um because it's changed a bit but thank you for that the third question is the ditch company uh nothing in either staff response confirms the ditch company is approved for the relocation staff's own response acknowledges the ditch company's rights over the corridor including approval of any relocation and now the cost estimate released today um explicitly states in its assumptions assumes that irrigation ditch can and will be rerouted the entire eight point family eight point four million dollar impact on the infrastructure estimate is built on an assumption if the ditch company says no that cost estimate is invalid the site doesn't work and we will have committed 10.9 and tiff against a budget that assumed away the single biggest unres olved variable of the project has the ditch company and the ditch company says no that cost estimate is invalid the site doesn't work and we will have committed 10.9 and t iff against a budget that assumed away the single biggest un resolved variable of the project has the ditch company says no that cost estimate is invalid the site doesn't work and we will have committed 10.9 and tiff against a budget that assumed away the single biggest unresolved variable of the project has the ditch company approved the relocation in writing yes or no and if not how and why are we approving a development agreement tonight that depends on a third party approval we don't yet have against a cost estimate that assumes that approval is guaranteed mr. bickle uh dale bickle uh the ditch company has not approved uh final relocation there has been conversations um they do have concerns as was indicated um in land use planning uh and committee um where we are at in this process is again uh uh uh selling um being able to convey the land to the developer and um and adopting the development agreement which is the conceptual design um after that you know should council approve this uh more design happens more approvals happen so uh all the all the development processes like building permits the ditch company approvals um those things that so that the concept could change if it materially changes uh an aspect of the development development agreement then um we may have to come back for an amendment um but um but as we understand even if the even if the um ditch reloc ation didn't get approved um uh the development could still go forward um but with some modifications okay thank you all right next up for council questions counselor melison thanks mayor davis um you know several commenters have raised concerns around the removal of trees and the loss of bird habitat and i just want to make sure that we address those things seriously um so this question is probably best for marina um you know we know that these mature trees are going to be removed as part of this part of this development but we also know that the park plan calls for new trees pollinators and riparian plants along the rerouted irrigation ditch so i'm hoping that you can maybe speak to replacing those existing trees and how the habitat along the ditch will be revegetated and sort of speak to the the timeline of of what um these new plantings and establishing habitat after post development will will look like hopefully we get a little bit more meaningful canopy and and habitat but i just wonder if you could speak to that for a second thank you to answer your question the park design aims to kind of enhance the ecological functions through re-veget ation naturalized plantings and replacement of the trees with what we consider to be appropriate long-lived tree species better suited for an urban public park setting there is an approved list of street trees and that would be referenced for selecting the species that would go on the site plan at large so like on the boulevards and areas throughout the development the specific tree species for the park will be decided during the construction document phase because right now we are at master plan phase which is large scale and just generally identifying tree locations the i believe the plan has approximately 170 trees proposed these will be a variety of class one and class two trees i believe and they will be they'll be young trees but they will not be seedlings and therefore they will take a couple years to establish multiple years to establish and grow to full size maturity thank you so much i really appreciate that i just think it 's helpful to understand that yeah trees are being removed we know that but trees are also going back in with a goal of enhancing the environment that's there right now so i just wanted to make sure folks were paying attention to that thank you thank you counselor for your questions uh counselor jones thanks um i was not here last week but i did want to say first of all that i thought lots of good questions last wednesday uh really good meeting um there was one issue i wanted to follow up and i think this is a question for parks director ms yoshioka and that is um how many acres is the mrl park can you speak to that and um when i've walked that stretch of the trail between the midtown commons area and that park it's a 10 minute fast walk or a 15 minute slow walk so to me it's it's still in the neighborhood we have always wanted to get more parks in this neighborhood but between mrl what's the acreage there and then a potential new park with midtown commons how how is how are we in terms of reaching goals how are we doing i guess in terms of creating parks for these neighborhoods the mrl park is approximately four acres just a little over and part of pros talks about connectivity between the park system and so this park will connect to the bitter root trail through the new greenway trails and therefore connect upward to mrl just how you explained you were able to walk there thanks i just kind of wanted to to clarify this is for this neighborhood this is not the only park there's mrl park also and the challenge of creating parks in an existing established neighborhood is is is hard as opposed to just a green field development out past mullen but thank you thanks for the response all right thank you councillor johns councillor mccoy thank you madam mayor um i just have a i think a quick question um so when i was out there i noticed that this this ditch is large and this actually dale might have hinted that this may come later but i've been wondering about the volume of water that is going through this ditch and when we reroute it if we're doing any analysis to make sure that we're not subtracting from that volume um although i know that there's not a lot of agriculture in these areas anymore um as the ditch company explained to us you know this ditch is for agricultural oil or maybe not just agricultural purposes but for ditch use um and i just i was curious if if we have any analysis scheduled or been done to look at the volume of the ditch and make sure we're not reducing that who wants to take that um i'm annette marshes so project manager with the missoula redevelopment agency the um engineers so we have had conversations with the ditch company as as they presented um uh on at the committee meeting on wednesday um and one of the uh conversations that we've had is that we do need to keep the flow of their ditch that's you know that's part of the calculation and so the engineers with the developer will be working um to you know we're not we're we're oblig ated well the developers uh whoever's developing this property is obligated to keep the the flow thank you annette and then we have uh uh city attorney for civil ryan sudbury online mr sud bury go right ahead yeah actually i was about to take my hand down i thought annette answered that question really well i apologize for not being able to be that person i had a pre-scheduled uh out of town vacation but uh i've been listening in and that hit the nail on the head we would be required to do an analysis to ensure that uh however we re-route it or uh whatever we put it in as a conveyance moving forward would be sufficient to meet the historical use of the ditch that would be you know sort of a first order uh consideration and requirement uh from the ditch company and to comply with state law so that that's definitely on the table okay thank you both outstanding thank you all right you bet and counselor krask thank you mayor davis um i have two questions the first one uh would be for the sponsor of the friendly amendment counselor nugent um i'm curious if in this case we've heard about and we've gotten emails about um occupancy requirements and how that could harm housing choices for renters and i'm curious if adopting this policy for this property um does that set a precedent or in your mind do you envision it setting a precedent for more widespread use of this policy in the future um and do you anticipate if there's any way to track this or collect data so that we can see the implications of a policy like this the second part of your question i'm gonna have to think about the the first part of your question um i i really appreciate the comments and i i think i um i don't know if he's still in the room but uh i i corresponded with him via email a little bit today and i think that some of those comments are a little bit more uh pulling from data on more broad policies especially i think he cited this state of california and a few other places that um have certain owner occupancy requirements that have served to kind of restrict uh turnover or churn in housing markets california especially as a bad comparison because in addition to any um requirements that we might think of as inclusionary zoning which is which is banned by the state legislature which is a different conversation entirely um they also have i think it's proposition nine which limits um property tax growth so i think that some of those uh comparisons aren't perfect examples because there's other criteria involved i would be a little bit more worried about this if this was a broad kind of across every development type of conversation um in montana i don't think we have the authority to do something like that on just a general uh development uh application but because this is a specific project and the city is investing money and one of our goals um that in kind of the mosaic approach and the chart that the mayor shared which i think is great kind of showing all the different avenues the city is trying to do we we are doing land trust housing we are doing permanently affordable deed restricted um rental we are also trying to create an opportunity for for you know housing that that kind of workers and people of missoula can afford who won't qualify for the subsidy but can't afford the market rate and the market rate conversation i think has been misinterpreted because market the median of a market basically means half of it's above it but half of it's also below it and i think those charts showed that there's a gap between the what the median price in the market is and what the kind of average buyer can afford those missoula organization of realtors charts that uh miss du show shared illustrate that that very much so i think that i'm not worried about a precedent because the city is investing in this and the mra purchased this land with the idea that we could help achieve some of our housing goals and i think it's perfectly reasonable for for us to do that um i did have some uh one- off conversations with the developers of the west end homes which is a another great development in this city that was approved by council before you joined but i know you would have loved it um and i have invited him to come in and give us an update sometime in the future but that property that project is specifically doing owner occupied for a period of time as well and they've had a waiting list and are filling those as they're built and have not had not had issues with it so i think it's kind of case by case i would be concerned if we were trying to do one size fits all but i think right now we are trying to um protect the city's investment and and say that we do want owner occupied in this to start with and as far as tracking it i mean we could certainly look at sales data um on those units and resale over time i have a hunch given the time period that we put on that we won't see a negative impact because it's not for the life of those units it's just to make sure that in the initial opportunity that it's being given to homeowners and one other note i believe the west end farms folks said that of all the units they've sold or have in our contract so far only two are to people who have previously owned houses all the rest are first-time homeowners which if we could even achieve anything near that here that'd be awesome thank you counselor cancer cross and i just have a follow- up to that real quick um thank you that was super helpful i'm curious if we don't have control over this but if the units are priced um if the first ones being built are the townhouses and those they it ends up that they're not being sold because of the owner occupancy um agreements does that um is there room for us to navigating adjusting that like if if those are the first bill and they're at a price where people aren't purchasing them to live in full time then are we preventing rental opportunities or is there a way to adjust um this stipulation um well i will answer that and then i'll i will let dale chime in if i i miss anything um there is obviously uh a fee where you know if it was sold to someone who's not on our buying we could collect a fee so i mean somebody could opt to do that i suppose i would say more broadly if if that housing unit or that product type is developed and they're having trouble selling it they could reach out to the city and say hey we might have something let's go talk to council and reconsider that i don't foresee that being an issue even honestly if these came in higher than where the developer has stated his goals are i think that the market will absorb them these are uh quality uh price points and and types of housing that midtown has been screaming for so just putting on my housing professional hat i would be surprised if that occurred dale i don't know if you have anything to add to that no additional okay great thank you very much okay i just have one more question sure um and this is probably for um miss yoshioka we've heard from residents that the ditch in cottonwood groves are an essential component of their way of life in that neighborhood um but in both the option a plan from 2025 that people um have been speaking to and the new option b plan the area where the prominent cottonwood groves are are located that area is slated for development in both plans and not a park and so i'm hoping someone can speak to why the park location was chosen where it is um just more broadly um excuse me i can speak to that annette marshall so i'm a or the project manager from the mississippi redevelopment agency so this project is um it's not uh about just one thing this project is um trying to achieve a lot of goals in the city um in housing certainly foremost but um um transportation connectivity both vehicular and bike and pedestrian connectivity uh a public park um and so all of these excuse me all of these things together um collectively you have to kind of put them in and and move things around until everything fits and that's um why the park is where it is and why the park is the size that it is okay thank you thank you coun cillor krask uh councillor anderson thanks so much madam mayor um lots of great conversation over the many months that we've been discussing this and i it's all kind of come culminating tonight and i just want to make sure my questions are going to seem simple but i think they're important points to make so my first question if so uh is to annette i just want to make sure that i am stating the numbers correctly we have purchased two parcels of land 1.45.9 million and one port one for 1.3 million totaling two 7.2 million dollars for purchases of land um a caveat maybe a clarification to that the city has not purchased the mary avenue project or the i'm sorry the mary avenue parcel that uh the city we're proposing that the city purchase that parcel and then immediately sell that parcel to the developer uh for 1.3 million dollars so we haven't closed on that one the other one um the midtown commons pro property um purchased for 5.9 million at the end of 2024. great so to clarify um if we agree to the sale uh or the purchase and then sale that property the city of missoula will have invested or spent 7.2 million dollars in purchasing property and we are selling to develop developer miriamonte these two parcels obviously with the caveats that you laid it out for 7.2 million dollars that is correct so at the end of the day we are back to net zero from the the land purchase or land purchase sale that is correct okay so then the second part of this is the mra has authorized up to 10.9 million dollars in reimbursements for costs for infrastructure to the developer upon completion of those the things laid out in um for the infrastructure such as putting streets sidewalks boulevard landscaping utilities public park and trail connections that that that is correct the mra has um approved 10.9 million dollars for public infrastructure improvements and that includes the park correct so that is only if the developer actually builds it does he get reimbursed for it that is correct right it's reimbursement payments for what is actually constructed right correct so if suddenly the cost of asphalt plummets and he's able to build these streets and sidewalks for less he's only going to be reimbursed for what he spent that is correct right so thank you i appreciate it rudimentary questions seeming simple but i think that there's been a lot of conflated numbers going around in terms of what it is the city is investing and then recouping um second question if i may um yeah i realize those are all follow-up questions yeah okay is i think dale might be the best one for this one there was lots of conversation around the ditch and if it's moved in some yet to be finalized agreements with the ditch company upon the sale of this parcel of land to the developer miramonte who is responsible for continued conversation with the ditch company on moving and or anything having to do with that dale bickle um we've approached this as a development partnership so um um this company conversations have um taken place with both um city and developer representatives and that would continue to to to um happen after um in in getting to vinyl design and a ditch company but ultimately whose liability or responsibility is it you actually get the um the ditch relocated yes um i guess it would fall to the developer right so it's the developer he is taking on the liability by purchasing this process knowing that he has to as a part of this development relocate the ditch it is not on the city in terms of our liability i would add that you know a portion of the ditch is a plan for the park that would be city owned property when it's uh reconveyed back to the city so we're going to have a the city's going to have a um high interest um in in in in the ditch conversations and locations in the future right but it's only when the park is built that then it becomes back to the city correct okay okay and then one final question on the development agreement it can be there to annette or to dale the development agreement that we are entering in with mir amonte continues with the land so wishing many years and blessings on you and your family but if something happens to you in six months and you sell this to xyz developer from timbuktu the development agreement that we've entered in that lays out some of these parameters stays with the land and so if they were to miramonte were to sell it to xyz development company some of these parameters would stay with that correct yes that's correct thank you okay thank you for your questions counselor nugent oh yeah ellen sure she just doesn't want to hear me talk wait wait here we go i love hearing you talk ellen buchanan director of the redevelopment agency i just want to clarify one thing about the purchase of the property so that we are absolutely accurate the first purchase that the city made was two purchases from two different owners which is one reason that that property has never developed because they could never agree on exactly what they wanted to do with it so the city stepped in so there actually are three property purchases involved in this transaction one of which is not taking place yet thank you very much for providing that clarity don't go anywhere can i have a follow-up madam mayor yes so can you come back up i appreciate the clarification but the numbers stay the same we we purchased two parcels in 2024 for a total of 5.9 correct so i appreciate the numbers all stay the same i just want to be very clear that had we had the city not been in a position to step in and purchase those initial two pieces um i'm not sure that property would develop anytime soon i appreciate the clarification but it's like i always want to make sure that there's not some sort of mysterious sale that isn't being accounted for um that we're still only dealing with a grand total of 7.2 in three parcels thank you thank you council nugent uh thank you mayor davis uh miss buchanan you just hop right back up um so i appreciate you providing some context and and and annette as well about kind of what the property was and and the history of the two parcels and how maybe they couldn't agree on how to develop it or or develop it together i think that's kind of important um history given a lot of the public comments um i'm curious if to your knowledge um the property has ever been designated or considered to be purchased as open space or parkland and if the city hadn't purchased it what could have been built there by the private owners to my knowledge it's never been considered as open space or parkland um if the if i'm not sure that when it was in dual ownership that it would have developed as one it probably would not have developed as one master development um the way it was divided up it was challenging to develop them separately but there was never consensus among the two owners as to what should go there how to go about developing it we actually mra actually facilitated two master planning processes with the property owners at the time um to try to spur redevelopment of that i mean as you look at an aerial of missoula that area stands out like a sore thumb as to why in the world is this still vacant um and we were never able to do that so we offered to purchase the property follow up quickly on that yes and so if you look at missoula county property information site right now and look at parcel maps you can see kind of the the grid of what's currently approved because it has been subdivided it 's that's planted land um so those property owners or subsequent owners of one or both of those parcels could have developed on those city blocks as they were and you know paved those roads and taken trees and done all that and could still in theory without the city stepping in that i think that's correct all right thank you i'm not sure why we have feedback from this off and on how are we doing there it sounds normal again all right okay counselor nugent perfect um so i guess uh i have two more questions on this front and then i'll i'll move on if maybe i come back for more i don't know um so am i correct and i don't i don't know who wants to answer this but am i correct that the only reason we're getting this 1.6 acre park and trail connections on the site is because the city bought the land and is requiring it in this deal that be if it had art because it's already subdivided the property private developer would not have had to provide a public park yes that is correct i appreciate your succinct answer to that thank you um let's see one more and i'm i'm just trying to follow up on some of the public comments to make sure we get stuff out there uh my last question is specifically regarding the ditch if you look at historic photos which you can also do on the missoula county property information site plug to them and you can go put pick the map and look at historic photos and if you look way back it looks like the ditch has moved over time so i'm curious if the ditch is currently running in its approved easement area um or maybe if we know why it was relocated at some point in the past and then i think it's important if somebody would clarify my understanding of montana law is ditch rights holders basically rule the ditch holder could go in and say the trees are stealing water and cut them down tomorrow and there's nothing we could do about it is that correct mr sun bridge are you yep i see your hand raised go right ahead yeah let me see if i can answer that in reverse order and if i miss something please uh let me know uh on your last point that's absolutely correct uh the ditch company could go out uh next week if they determining determine that they posed a risk either from uh vegetation falling into the ditch and causing a clogged water or water to be diverted or flooded out or to damage the banks of the ditch they could take those out with no permits and no requirements whatsoever uh based on montana law and and you're right with respect to the ditch ditch company rights they they you know they're they're similar in that regard to railroads and you know sometimes get lumped in with uh with railroads when you're talking about uh levels of power and uh and influence so uh that point is is well taken that both we need their approval and they can kind of do what they want with respect to the ditch uh on the historical nature of the ditch i do know that it um it moved from its historic course at some point i think when the mill was operating it's possible that somebody from mra somebody else may be able to answer the history question better but in in our initial conversations with the ditch company um they acknowledged that there's a different course and and one of their offers to the city was to have it uh have the ditch relocated back to its historic course so they sort of acknowledged that there are uh a different um different configurations the two different historic configurations of the ditch but i'm not sure folks uh know exactly why it was moved um in the 50s or 60s but but maybe somebody else at the meeting could speak that and then let me know if i didn't answer all those questions thank you ryan so it seems safe to say that there's motivation on all sides to be at the table to talk about the ditch so it's not that but i think it's probably also important for people to know that the ditch company could say bury it all and there's nothing we could do about that and that that is correct that's true today as is or i just i i've been unpopular at public meetings but i've said that in the past but i appreciate the clarification because that's the law that's correct okay my understanding is this is a couple of different businesses um i'll just add to this there's a couple of different ditch companies in missoula so different board of directors landowners land beneficiaries and people that have rights to that irrigated water so depending on the section of ditch there are parts of ditches that are in corrugated pipes flowing underground and then there are some places that it is daylighted so it depends and then there are some ditches that have been vacated for various reasons over time as you know because you just approved the purchase of the um flinn downey recently um and then also the work that we've been doing with uh vacated ditch over by blue ribbon so um this um has a lot of different aspects to it but ultimately the ditch companies have what 's called there's a supremacy law when it comes to ditches and railroads in the state of montana anything else um mr bickle okay all right thank you uh counselor jordan yeah thank you um i just had a question come up and perhaps this has been discussed and with all the information coming through i didn't understand or pick it up but i think i'm really curious why are we buying the mary avenue property and then immediately selling it why doesn't the developer buy it himself why are we the middle the middle person thank you dale bickle honestly it's the relationship uh the city has with the prospective seller oh i'm not sure if i understand what that means he wasn't particularly interested in selling it directly to a competitor okay all right thank you um i also while i have the floor would like to motion to amend the existing motion by keeping this in committee i think that we still have quite a few unanswered questions and one more day in committee would be really helpful for me and i think a few other folks who've been asking questions so i'd like to put that motion on the floor please any motion for amendment to permit to raise on the floor it 's not a region it's not a motion to amend it would just be a motion to send back to committee so thank you yeah there is a motion to send back to committee um and i will go ahead we can hear a vote on that motion now roll call vote please one second all right voting to uh return this item to committee beginning with anderson no vicera no campbell no krask yes jones no jordan yes mccoy aye melson no nugent no ponton no savage no and cheryl no and that has uh three votes in favor and nine votes opposed so the motion fails that's okay thank you very much um yeah follow-up question to on the amendment or do you have a follow-up question i have amendments i'd like to make so i would i'm not sure where that falls into everything but i'd like to propose some amendments since it didn't work yeah we're in when we were in the q a period so i would recommend that we do amendments um after when we get to council comments but if you're gonna do them now we can certainly do it now but whatever you want i think mirtha are you you're just got some questions great let's go to mirtha for some questions okay that's more opportunity for council comments but i'm sorry sarah yeah thank you just one question um this property has been vacant for a long time and i'm just wondering um my questions for mar ina um has this property or any portion of the property ever been considered for acquisition for open space with open space bonds to your knowledge it's my understanding that the open space plan does not show this property as a potential acquisition thank you that's it okay thank you sarah um cancer jordan i see your hand is raised i don't see any additional questions i know we've had a couple of um requests from council members for a brief break so there can be a personal needs break so i'm going to go ahead and put our meeting on hold for um nine minutes we're gonna we're gonna convene at 8 45 thank you um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um Thank you. 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Thank you. the developer to keep trees but perhaps if we don't cut them all down there might be some that can be saved and I think that um you know this is this is a little ecosystem that's got its own it's got its own um processes going on it'd be great to keep some of these trees if we can I'm not trying to say the developer cannot cut them but if we can keep a couple um it would be wonderful counselor and can just throw your questions answered for now all right counselor Anderson thanks so much madam mayor I guess I'm confused on what's the process of like keeping the trees or who's having that I mean it's like there's no like we are selling this property to a developer and like there isn't what there isn't an opportunity to go in and be like having a conversation and walking the ground and being like well we think we should keep this tree and the developer's like no I don't want to keep that tree and we go back and forth and adjudicate that I mean so there isn't a process for that so I guess I 'm confused on where we would be keeping trees that we could keep or versus the developer cutting down trees at the end of the day it's his decision and there isn't a process for us to come forward to have that discussion at this point or any point after tonight if we make a decision tonight so I guess I'm confused on what the purpose of the amendment is if I may give my own interpretation of what the amendment does there are there are right of way easements that are platted for from 70 years ago when the subdivision went through for roads maybe sidewalks seven years ago is probably just roads so I mean and it was said earlier but it needs to be said again they are not conservation easements these are right of way easements um but it's a subdivision so if you look at a subdivision plant you realize that uh sometimes those those platted right of ways aren't aren't in the place that you want them today and so that's why um the development team the developers working with our planning staff to vac ate some that are unnecessary so they can if I may say when I look at the site plan you can have a larger site then where you can actually build the condominiums that are for sale for example um or however it accommodates the site plan so I think Councilor Jordan what I'm seeing in what I'm hearing and what I'm seeing I think in your proposed um uh amendment is that the tree the mature trees that touch the current existing platted right-of-way easements um those trees would remain up until the point of the vacation process is that right yes and then and then can you expand on um what number of trees as you know on that parcel um Siberian elm which are an invasive tree species and well documented to be extraordinarily problematic here in Missoula and many states there's a significant number on this site and they're they're all over that site in random places because they are the most prol ific um tree seed species um in our area so are those the trees that you'd want to save like which trees how do we know because they touch easements as well they touch those right-of-way easements as well I appreciate the questions and I guess I want to just put some context on this I'm trying to find some compromises uh between what the folks who live around the area and folks who are interested in saving the grove would like to see happen versus kind of what the process is going to look like and so while it may seem um unnecessary or laborious to consider this I think that it would do some goodwill for the folks who live around this um development to have some of the things that they really wanted incorporated into um this plan and I think that by waiting to cut trees and really seeing where things are going to go we could say no invasives um I'm I think that would be okay would just allow the um residents around the area to feel like we've listened to some of their concerns and it may seem trivial or laborious like I said but it's something that came from folks who live near there who who felt like this might be a good uh middle ground um for moving forward and it would help with some goodwill um for the folks who are feeling pretty frustrated um by this process and so um it is an effort to let those folks know they've been heard and to just make sure that if we can save some trees we we do okay thank you for that clarification and um if I may ask further clarification would it primarily be around the ditch area adjacent to Dixon Avenue and Schilling Street um which is primarily the what which I believe is the area that um folks are referencing as the Grove I think anywhere it matches up would be desirable how's that I don't think we're focusing on one specific section of the property we're just seeing if potentially anything could be delayed um regardless of where it sits um on the property okay all right all right thank you Councillor Nugent uh thank you Mayor Davis um my concern just to clarify a little bit more is the part that they've referred to as phase one are on lots basically behind Bob Ward's and the new Providence Clinic and stuff and that is a road to the eas ements there and the lots are all there they they could start building houses for for Missoulians tomorrow um and my worry is that if we pass this amendment as it's written they can't do any of that until they finish negotiating on phase two um and beyond that obviously I'm concerned that it gives this impression that those easements are park easements when if this all falls apart the trees are just as endangered as they are today but mostly I am worried about phase one seems pretty straightforward to me so I might be open to considering this if you limit it to phase two but I still not sure that I um see what it's achieving in the broader picture like I I share your hope that maybe we could save some of the trees um but I mean as it's platted right now a lot of the trees are on road right of ways so does does that make sense especially the phase one part yes thank you um look I think that this is really a good will effort um and if you would vote for it if it was limited in phase two then I would put I would add that to my or if it would not preclude or whatever you said phase two effect phase two then I would be open to that um I think I'm open to that I'd be curious for the developer's comment on if that just throws things off in any major way or not but let's hear from the project sponsor and then we'll go to counselor Becerra Daniel Brweiser with IMeg trying to look into my crystal ball to see what the implications are to that decision um first and foremost that comes to my mind is the utility companies and we have a really hard time controlling their schedule and what they do or don't do while they're on their site there's a lot of overhead power um that I think connect both phases so I would be a little concerned that true some trees need to be removed for phase one that are in phase two and that's kind of out of our control a little bit by the utility company um in speaking for the developer we want the first condo building to come as soon as possible including the park because that would just help market phase one so there is opportunity to do proactive work in that area it's just we're so early we're at 15 percent design of phase two right now so it's really hard to look into the crystal ball and decide what the implications are to this decision um I would be afraid to paint us into the corner and be like well we have to we want to start working proactively to get this park online as quickly as possible and now we're painted into the corner maybe Chris has more to speak there I just I appreciate that answer yeah Chris Kemmerle from Miramani companies um I'm not quite sure I understand exactly what this well he answered my question so I don't need you to answer but I guess from my point I'm ready to commit to buy the total project this could make it a it would change the project considerably so thank you for that I appreciate um Mr. Overweiser's comments kind of made it clear that that's kind of micromanaging of it just doesn't work and so I won't be supportive of the amendment but thank you for answering the question okay uh thank you Councillor. Councillor Becerra? um Kristen I I think I understand the the rationale behind it but I I think it's what's confusing me is that the title of the amendment is no tree removal prior to eas ement vacation but you also want to retain some of the trees so I I think that what's happening here is that we're trying to accomplish two things and not both things fall within the purview of what we can do because I see the timing of when those trees can be removed as something that's tied to the uh approval for the vacation of those easements but the number of trees or location of trees that is not something that I think we can control so I would be in support of only saying trees can be removed as a part of the um easement vacation process but nothing to do with what tree stays what tree goes and where those trees are and tied to what phase because that I feel like that I feel like it's not within the pur view of what I can control okay thank you Councillor. Sponsor? yeah no that totally makes sense and I think that um you know the idea behind this this amendment was that the folks are worried that before anything kind of was set in stone that potentially the developer could come through and just cut everything down in anticipation of development and I don't really want to get into what can and can't be saved um but if something could be saved because we don't have a complete clearing of the property before any plans are set in place that maybe some of them can be saved and that is the idea behind this amendment that the um folks who are concerned about this property really wanted to see happen is if anything can be saved it'd be great and if the developer can come in and just cut everything down straight away in anticipation of building um without kind of going hey wait actually maybe that one doesn't need to go um that's what we're trying to address with this amendment maybe I haven't been very clear about that like I said I I think that one has to do with timing of removal and the other one is trying to retain trees and I'm not in support of trying to retain trees because I don't know which ones are worth it to be kept which ones are not location all of that but the timing I can see why why cut him down if it's if the um vacation of the eastman process has process hasn't begun yet so yeah I agree um I think that there's an if then you know if we time it right then maybe some trees can be saved if they can't they can't but if we do this perhaps some can be saved and I understand what you're saying like what is in our purview and what is not and if we can affect the timing um I think that's a great start and I think it would attach some good will to this project to let folks know we are trying to maybe keep some of the trees um with knowing that this doesn't permanently protect them but it just means that there might be a little bit more time and thinking in what gets cut prior to the final plan I appreciate and admire your passion for trying to keep the trees but I guess what I'm saying is that the way it's written right now it goes beyond just the timing of when that can happen it's also trying to save the trees and so unless it's written differently I don 't think I can support it because I'm only in favor of waiting until we you know the the process for eastman vacation starts to start cutting down the trees because that seems logical but not trying to use that as a mechanism to um to keep some of the trees because I don't think that's I just I I don't have enough information to make a decision I just sent some language through via email hopefully it might I just cut the last half of my amendment off which I'm hoping addresses your concerns I'll go ahead and read it yeah it was trouble can you share that on the screen for everybody what it says getting there the easement vacation process required by section 3.3 of the development agreement agreement I can read what I just sent through because that 's not it um it's basically that but with the second half of it cut off it's just the easement vacation process requires required by section 3.3 of the development agreement has not happened it requires a separate council process trees growing within or immediately adjacent to current easement corridors around publicly encumbered land until those easements are legally vacated you okay counselor nugent you have your hand wait wait before I go to you I did have an open question to counselor sarah here I I think that I'm comfortable with that but again I just want to make sure we're not encumbering some other issues that relate to this so I would like to hear from more people do we need to hear either from the sponsor again or from Ryan Sudbury prior to moving to another council question on this proposed friendly amendment that's been made by the sponsor okay seeing none I'm going to move to counselor ponton thank you man it's just a quick question uh in relation to 3.3 so just it says within 60 days following the execution of the purchase and sale agreement the city will initiate vacation proceedings can somebody help me out and tell me or estimate how long that process typically takes may take in this instance I I can try and answer that if that works please yeah I mean the that process is not a particularly time consuming process it uh so it just would depend on how long council had uh wanted to take it so uh we we've identified with the current site plan what uh what the new right of way that uh will be dedicated will look like uh so that certificate of survey could be put together relatively quickly um and we know what right away needs to be vacated it's it's not it shouldn't take uh more than a few weeks to get through a latest planning uh what works committee whichever it goes through and then go to a final city council committee meeting so it started within 60 days uh you know conceivably that entire process could be done in uh 90 days unless uh mr overweiser corrects me that there's some survey work it might take longer but it's not uh it's not an extended process all right i just mr ponton just gonna ask a quick follow-up so hypothetically if this body tonight voted yes on councilor nugent's motions the developer could in theory start work tomorrow and if we accepted councilor jordan's uh amendment that process would need to wait until at least the vacation process is done by mr sudberry's estimation something like 90 days potentially that fair if i'm understanding this correctly okay i think nods around the table and mr subbury did you hear the summary that counselor ponton confirmed i think that's right i mean i don't i don't think the developer's planning on doing anything in that part of the site plan uh but theoretically i guess he could come down and and and do that we have uh given him a license you know construction license to do some site work before uh before even closing with respect to public infrastructure so i think that's a fair summary yes thank you okay councilor bazzara just clarification from ryan so regardless of this amendment that's being put forward by miss jordan that we would still have to approve the um it would come to this body to public works the um eastman vacation correct yes uh yes uh it is a requirement as part of the site plan part of the development agreement to initiate the public right-of-way vacation process which is a standard city council process uh they do typically go to public works but uh be this being coming from a a lane east sort of matter it could go either direction with respect to lane is planning but it would have to go through that process yeah okay okay council jordan you have provided um an additional clar ifying amendment to your amendment uh counselor anderson has some questions do you want to read this one first prior to counselor anderson's questions and then state that as your amendment that's on the floor thank you for that um i also what justin brought up brought up another question for me um but i can wait so my my cleaned up amendment no trees located within or immediately adjacent to easement corridors subject to vacation under section 3.3 of the development agreement shall be removed prior to the completion of the easement vacation process including the required public caring and city council approval okay thank you all right counselor anderson yes thanks so much um i guess my question is for trying to figure out who's the best to answer this i'll put the question out and i'm guessing mr overhol zer might be the person to answer this i heard your comments earlier when discussing this that there was some concerns about the fact that you know if this agreement gets executed you guys are looking to start doing work as soon as possible and that you don't know with utility companies and whatnot where they're going to need to cut a tree to make connections and so if this easement or if this amendment is passed this evening and say next week the utility company comes in and is like hey to make this connection so that you can start building this first installment we need to cut this tree and somehow it's determined that this tree is on that easement area you would basically be having to stop work until the easement process is done because the tree that the utility company is saying they need to cut down is potentially within this easement area and this amendment would prohibit you from cutting down any trees in an easement area that is how i'm understanding how this would play out and just for the record we can't control those utility companies as you just described it great thank you so much that's my question okay thank you any additional questions for this um for counselor jordan for the sponsor of the amendment i'm sorry you have additional question oh yes please sorry i didn't see your hand i i think that that's um that's a valid concern i was thinking that you know it the easement vacation process is something we're going to have to do regardless so um it guarantees that until then no trees will be cut um but if it's going to delay potential work for the developer then we might have to you know the amendment might have to provide for that in anticipation of that and so we're gonna be work smithing the amendment to the point that um it's gonna have a lot of um it's gonna have a lot of exclusions or a lot of um um you know exclusions or inclusions i don't know for different potential scenarios so just wondering if at the end of the day is that still worth it for us to have that amendment if we're gonna put so many clauses into it um is that for me yeah thanks um i i recognize that this doesn't fall in line with everything that makes sense or what's easiest on the developer or um you know everybody's considerations what i'm trying to do again is find some goodwill um this is something that the residents around the area and people who are concerned about the property asked me to bring forward and it would be a goodwill maneuver i think that if work has to be done and we know a tree is in the way and it's obvious that a utility company needs to get that tree out of there it makes perfect sense if that tree goes what i'm trying to avoid is just a complete destruction of the property before we know exactly what's going where and to also provide some goodwill with the folks who've shown so much concern about this property so i understand it doesn't make a ton of sense it's it's fidd ly it's just a matter of trying to find common ground and let these residents know we've heard them and i i guess with all of this in mind may i just pose a question because if the developer is planning to start sooner i do wonder if there's some environmental assessments that would need to be done if the developer moves sooner specific to some federal laws and whatnot or is it just not something they have to do i'm thinking about the nesting bird um assessment this is so we can come back to that yeah fair thank you so i think at this point there's been quite a bit of conversation and if it's all right i'd like to be able to move forward with the amendment that's on the floor um to be clear i want to be clear what we're what what i'm asking you to vote on um counselor jordan miss trimble um sent her most recent and final amendment at 9 16 pm so if you can share that version that would be great and then we'll go ahead and do a roll call vote on this amendment okay okay okay yeah i'm not i can't i don't think i can do it at the same time that's okay i think that it's been that's i think that the the motion has been made all right all council members have it in their email inbox we've shared it publicly yes and i will read it out loud no trees located within or immediately adjacent to easement corridors subject to vacation under section 3.3 of the development agreement shall be removed prior to the completion of the easement vacation process including the required public hearing and city council approval Alright, beginning our roll call vote with Becerra. Yes. Campbell? No. Krask? Yes. Jones? No. Jordan? Yes. McCoy? Yes. Nelson? No. Nugent? No. Ponton? No. Savage? No. Cheryl? No. And Anderson? No. And that vote had 4 in favor, 8 opposed. The motion fails. Okay. Thank you all for the thoughtful consideration and conversation. Councillor Nugent, you did have a question before we went to that final vote. So I think we have a question. Okay. Thank you all for the thoughtful consideration and conversation. Councillor Nugent, you did have a question before we went to that final vote. So before we go to Councillor Jordan's second amendment, please. Yeah. Something that Ms. Jordan said at the end there, and there was a lot of public comment around it. So I think it's worthy of just Ryan or somebody addressing. There's no additional legal requirements for environmental reviews or anything such as that, like, but the stuff behind Bob Ward's they could pull permits for. Again, I want to make sure that we're not giving the public a misconception. So I would like someone to clarify that. Mr. Sudbury? Yeah, if I understand the question, it was if the, if they go through and the council approves everything that's up for consideration tonight and they close on the purchase, could they then come and pull permits for their building permits in phase one? And if that's the question, then yes, they could, as soon as they close and they get through CPDI review, they could pull permits and start construction on this phase one units. Thank you. Okay. Councillor Jordan, you have a second amendment you'd like to propose. Yeah, thank you. I just sent them through again and made them tidier. Um, I like to put in lots of context and sometimes it's not helpful. So my second amendment is prior to the disbursement of any TIF reimbursement funds and prior to commencement of any phase one construction in the area affected by the proposed irrigation ditch relocation as shown on exhibit a developer shall obtain and provide to the city written approval from the ditch company authorizing relocation of the irrigation ditch consistent with the phase one site design. Okay. Amendment is out there. Mr. Sudbury. I, I, this is just a point of clarification. Uh, so I apologize for being a little out of order. Uh, but that I don't believe in, again, Mr. Oberweiss, you can correct me. I don't believe the phase one construction needs the ditch, a decision with respect to the ditch at all. Um, so I'm, I'm just making sure that you're intending that to apply to phase one and not that phase two, which is, uh, the, the sort of Western portion of the two thirds of the property or so, uh, involving the public park and the, uh, uh, the, uh, the new road that would be, uh, constructed through there. Yeah. Thank you for that. I think really what I meant is prior to the commencement of any construction. So I'm happy to pull of any phase one construction, happy to pull of any phase one out. So it just reads commencement of any construction in the area affected by the proposed irrigation ditch. Okay. Um, Mr. Oberweiser, do you, um, have some response? Please. Uh, Danny overweiser with IMeg. Um, just to clarify phase one is not impacted by the ditch. Um, we have to get ditch approval to touch the ditch regardless. So I guess in my mind, if the city wants to get that email from the ditch board, that's fine, but it kind of seems like a moot point. We can't touch the ditch without the ditch boards approval period. And that includes a public hearing at the ditch board. Um, hopefully at their next quarterly meeting. Is that part of the development code process? Uh, can you clarify? Will you have to have approval from the irrigation company as part of the, um, building permit process? If we touch the ditch. Yes. If we are proposing a building that is not impacted by the ditch, then no. Thank you. Councillor Nugent. Thank you, mayor. I just, again, will, will state that phase one is for town houses directly behind Bob Ward's and Providence and whatever that other building is on, on Harvey or have her, or however you want to say that street name. Those lots exist today. The right away exists today. Nothing is changing there. So this amendment would basically say we cannot build on lots that exist for housing right now. And we've also had answered tonight that if reimbursement only happens after work is done. So that first phase is on lots that already exists. That isn't changing. I just, I, the sponsor did remove phase one from the amendment. Yeah. So it's all construction. It's all construction. So that would just mean they can't start building those townhouses until they get an agreement on the ditch, which isn't phase two. I'm just, I won't be supporting that. I just think this is getting irresponsible. I don't appreciate that. Councillor Nugent. Councillor Anderson. Councillor Anderson. You wouldn't mind, Mr. Olverholzer coming up. I understood you correctly. Um, you said that you're about 15% design for phase two. That's correct. And so that leaves a lot left to a phase out. And it could very well be that, um, you know, however you decide to start phase two, that the ditch touching, you know, may not happen until halfway through the first of phase two. And if this amendment, if I'm understanding, which I realized we're in real time amending it on the floor, I took it as meaning that all construction, not phase one, or still means phase one, because the ditch doesn't have anything to do with impacting anything until phase two. So you're not having to deal with the ditch company until phase two. Um, and it could be that in phase two where you're starting the development, isn't touching the ditch. And so you can start that while you're still finalizing negotiations with the ditch company. But if we pass this amendment, you can't start the first part of phase two until you finalize the everything with the ditch company, um, which basically micromanages when you would be doing development where and where you're going . And you know, the one thing that we heard continuously through the UDC is time is money. So, um, is that kind of accurate representation of some of the unintended consequences? Yes. And to rephrase it back to you, we cannot build the townh omes in phase one if we're subject to this amendment as written in July, like we hope. Hypothetically in phase two, we can do portions of phase two without impacting the ditch, which we would not be able to do if the ditch approval is not in hand yet. And I have a follow up, Madam Mayor. And the townhomes are the 20 townhomes that are going behind. The condos are the ones that, I mean, these are homes that Missoulians could hopefully purchase. Correct. They start July. I mean, moving in in spring of 2027. So, yes, thanks. Okay. Thank you. Any additional council questions? Yes. Councillor Jordan. May I just provide a little more context to this one? What we're doing tonight is agreeing to a development agreement that does have a master plan in it. And the master plan assumes that the ditch movement has been approved. What I'm trying to do is make sure that we don't approve anything that is contingent on something that we still don 't know whether or not it's going to happen. It seems to make a lot of sense to me and being called irresponsible or whatever I was just called is really frustrating when we are actually approving a plan that is conditional on something that we don't have approval for yet. And it seems very sensible to me that we put this in place before we approve a master plan. Okay. Thank you for your comments and Councillor Nugent. Thank you, Mayor. I am not calling you irresponsible. I'm saying that for the part of the development that is going to be built on the plat maps as they exist today, that nothing is changing based on the development agreement , that it's irresponsible to put these additional conditions on it when they don't seem to impact it at all. Outside of that, we've established that the ditch company has ultimate rights on the ditch. We've discussed that the ditch may be running in an area that it's actually not on an easement floor. The developers acknowledge that they can't do anything with the ditch without the ditch company's approval. But either way, there's lots that are there that can be developed on. So apologies if you take that comment the wrong way. But I do think that putting it on the whole thing and taking lots that are otherwise buildable right now for housing that aren't being touched by the ditch and saying you can't build on those until we solve this other stuff is irresponsible. That's my opinion. All right. Thank you for your comments. I do see all questions have been answered. It looks like my council members on this particular amendment because you have a third amendment. If you could bring that amendment forward, we could work that through and then we can invite the public to comment on these amendments, but then we'll still vote on them one by one. Thank you. And I just want to say thank you, Mr. Nugent for that apology. It did. It did feel pointed and I see where you're coming from. My third amendment. Make sure I'm reading from the right one. Okay. I move to postpone the final action on the development agreement and accompanying purchase and sale agreements to whatever date we decide. And to direct staff to prepare and present to council side by side comparison of the current master plan and the option a. Which I don't know if it's called been called this throughout the project, but this is the option a I'm referring to, including analysis of park size, ditch treatment, greenway design, habitat impacts development, acreage and estimated public infrastructure cost prior to that date. Okay. Okay amendments on the screen and amendment is on the floor . Mr. Sudbury. I'm not. I'm a little concerned on this move to postpone and maybe Claire or council Anderson can weigh in, but this feels like a motion that we've already made. And Mason's rules is pretty clear about making motions that have failed and reintroducing them. So motion to postpone final action feels like the motion that we dealt with earlier from council Jordan. So I don't know if the parliamentarian wants to weigh in on that. Or not. Okay. Thank you for raising that concern. I'll have Claire weigh in on this a bit. weigh in on this a bit. May I ask Ryan for a little clarification? Sure. Just to make sure we're talking about the same thing. Certainly. I just want to make sure, Ryan, were you talking about my motion to keep this in committee as a re-proposal of the same motion? Or can you just clarify specifically what you mentioned I might be re-proposing? Yeah. So motions in a substantially similar but alternative form are generally prohibited under Masons. So I may suggest rather than moving to postpone this, twe aking the language to make it not simply feel like a postponement to send back for more information, which is the way I take the other amendment, which was, let's send it back to the Laney's planning committee to have more discussion about this. This sounds like let's postpone this to have more discussion about this. So postponing it to Laney's planning versus postponing it to an indefinite time in the future, in my mind, sounds like the same motion. But I'm happy to have somebody tell me that that's not incorrect. I'm just raising it as a potential Mason's issue. May I clarify my motion then? Because I think I feel- You may offer an amendment to this motion or you have to clarify it. Yeah, you bet. Clarify my amendment. Really, again, this is something that was asked of by the residents and people who are concerned. They really like option A. I'd love us to just consider option A as the site plan. And maybe that is my amendment, is that instead of the proposed master plan, we consider option A because that is very palatable to the residents. So not postponing, putting it back in committee. I see what Ryan was saying. What I really want is just to propose option A instead. So option A as an exhibit to the development agreement. Yes. Mr. Sudbury, does that follow your understanding for- I have no issue with that whatsoever. Okay. Okay. So that is the amendment on the floor. Councilor Anderson. So I guess my question also to Ryan, I mean, we are selling this land to a private developer. Yes, we have the development agreement that has certain things laid out, but we can't force them to actually build this out exactly as this is. Given, I mean, you're- I think you're right on that, but it is certainly within Council's purview to say, we want you to do this other thing. We don't agree to this, the development agreement with this master plan in it. We want this alternative master plan that was considered at some level, many months ago at this point. That's certainly within Council's purview. It would also be certainly within the developer's purview to say that's not acceptable to me and I'm walking away from this. Yeah. Any clarifying questions, Councilor Anderson? No, I don't have any further questions. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Any additional clarifying questions for the sponsor of Amendment 3? All right. I'm not seeing any. then we'll offer up opportunities for public comment on any of the amendments that have been proposed. If there's any public comment on any of the amendments that have been proposed, you're welcome to come up now. I'm being at public comment. Daniel Reuser with IMeg. I would just say that that option one was what we put together with two weeks of effort after the solicitation from MEP. What you see in the development agreement today is after 12 months of figuring out what should go on the land. So a lot of thoughtful work by staff and us as a development team has gone into what's in the development agreement today. Option A had no thoughtful consideration besides this is a very, very high altitude idea that we have for the land that meets the Midtown master plan. Thank you, Mr. Oberweiser. Do we have additional public comment on any of the amendments that have been proposed? Gwen Hoppe. I just want to say thank you very much for trying to speak up for the people there that care. And these are difficult. So I'll say I like the one about the preserving the trees on the easements. And because the developer doesn't really have rights to the easements until they're vacated. And I appreciate trying to save the trees. And I appreciate trying to do this option A. And that is what you signed for when, you know, this developer came along. It's like, yeah, that looks good. I wonder what somebody else would have provided. And so and it's also too bad that public didn't get to have some input on this that we were cut out of it. So I'm I'm thinking that's a good idea. And actually, I appreciate all these. And they had to work hard for the the wording on it. You know, one thing that the power utilities company, Northwestern Energy, probably they haven't I'm not sure if somebody's an expert on what their rules are, because they might have their own rules on how they deal with trees. We don't know what that is right now. So I think one more good reason to send it back. But I don't know if that's going to happen. So but anyway, thank you. Thank you, Ms. Hoppe. Any additional public comment on these amendments? Yeah, my name is Kathy Scribner. I'm just curious, too, about the public or the vacation process of public right of way, which under my understanding is that there needs to be a public hearing that's involved in that process to hear objections as by Montana law. And there needs to be it needs to be advertised in the newspaper upon two subsequent weeks. And I'm wondering if that is planned and when that would happen. So I'm, you know, thinking maybe people could bring potential former objections to that. I also just want to speak for for just thinking about young people. And I don't know that young people were really involved in the public process for this park because it's really going to be theirs as we think about the generations going forward. And just today, just connected to some of these easements and thinking about what this means and what this park looks like. I ran into two teenagers today in the Grove who were there because they really, really wanted some quiet. And they love the space and were sort of shocked to hear that the trees were going to be taken out. And their response was like, we have a lot of pavilions and basketball courts. And this is really special. So I just want you all to think about how young people have been and were they involved in the process, this public engagement process. Thanks. Thank you, Kathy. Any additional public comment on the amendments? Okay. I'm not seeing any in the room and I'm not seeing any hands raised. So we'll come back to council. And a vote's been taken on amendment one, but we'll take individual votes, roll call votes for amendment two and amendment three. So Ms. Trimble, when you're ready. All right. Thank you. All right. Beginning with amendment two, which is regarding prior to distribute or disbursement of any TIF reimbursement funds. And I think we took out prior to the construction of any phase one construction. The proposed ditch needs the developer shall obtain. I'm not sure what the. Okay. I tried to do it from memory. Okay. Here we go. Prior to disbursement of any TIF reimbursement funds and prior to commencement of any construction in the area. Affected by the proposed irrigation ditch relocation as shown in exhibit A, the developer shall obtain and provide to the city written approval from the ditch company author izing relocation of the irrigation ditch consistent with the phase one site design. Put that in my notes. Okay. Thank you. Beginning with. Campbell. No. Crask. No. Jones. No. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. No. Nelson. No. No. Nugent. No. Hunting. No. Savage. No. Excuse me. No. Cheryl. No. Anderson. No. And Becerra. No. That amendment has one vote in favor and 11 opposed. Amendment fails. Thank you. Amendment 3 whenever you're ready. Okay. Okay. Okay. And amendment 3 was amended to read proposed consideration of option A as was presented as an alternative master plan. Beginning with Krask. Yes. Jones. No. No. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Aye. Melson. No. Nugent. No. No. McCoy. Aye. Melson. No. Nugent. No. Haunted. No. Savage. No. Cheryl. No. Anderson. No. Becerra. No. And Campbell. No. That item has three votes in favor, nine opposed. The motion fails. Okay. Thank you very much. Thanks for the thoughtful conversation. And with that, before we start council comments, I'll just make sure if any counselors have any additional amendments they would like to put on the floor. Good time to do that now. Sorry, I wasn't getting in the queue for the comments. Okay. All right. Great. And I was just going to start like this if that's okay. Thank you. I do have someone who has a question. Councillor Crask. I just have a question if we need to vote on Councillor Nug ent's amendment or is that part of the package? Oh, Councillor Nugent's on the original amended motion. It was a friendly amendment. Good question. Because he made the motion, it was his friendly amendment that amended the motion. So basically it's already amended. So it's part of the main motion now. Okay, great. Thanks for asking that. Okay. Can I ask a clarifying question? Can you amend your own with a friendly amendment if Councillors might vote no on that? Councillor Nugent? I mean, in theory, somebody could offer an amendment to an amendment, but I also think we can vote on it separately. I don't actually care. Absolutely. If that makes people. Because then I get credit for an amendment. So thank you. Whatever works. I just wanted to make sure I was confused about the process . Thanks. Yeah, you bet. Absolutely. Okay. Thanks for getting some clarity on that. So with that, I'm going to go to Council Comments. And I'm going to start with Councilor Jones. So prepare for your comments, folks. We're going to go around the horseshoe. And then when we're done with Council Comments, we'll get to our main motions and the amendment, which we certainly can vote on separately for clarity. So it's been a long night. And it probably would help to understand what the heck that amendment is. Thanks. All right. Ready? Go. Ready? Go. Wanted to thank staff for a lot of great information over the last few weeks. I appreciate the public comment. I think folks in Missoula really care greatly. I appreciate that. As a city councilor, I think we look at it from a lot of different point of views. I have some thoughts I've been gathering and adding to tonight as we've gone through this process and wanted to share that. So the fact that this has been 50 years as vacant lots is a really important factor to me that this is a dormant asset sitting in the middle of our city when we desperately need housing. And it is close to so many different commercial services and good transportation and hopefully in the long run with the Brooks Corridor rapid transit. This could be a fantastic place to live. So first of all, it's been a long time coming and the pieces, the stars have finally aligned and now it's in front of us. I, for the last few years, have sat as a liaison to the Mid town Association for the master plan that was created over the last few years. And then the last couple of years I've sat on that committee for the Midtown Association master plan implementation team. I can tell you this has been discussed for years and years as an incredible asset. And then when it came into realization with the property owners wanting to talk to the city and have a holistic approach on it, there's been tons of discussion regarding how to best approach this to use this opportunity for the betterment of our community in many ways. So first of all, a lot of thought and energy has gone into it. A few details. There was comment about the task force the mayor pulled together. And I, we have said this several times on the floor. I want to point out not only was the mayor leading that, but Mike Nugent and I, two electeds from city council sat on that and provided city council input. So this was not done without elected input. Um, I think that's an important thing to realize. Just want to put that out there. Um, second thing, there's been a lot of discussion regarding the ditch and I was. Glad that when the ditch company representative spoke providing public comment last Wednesday regarding the ditch . He noted that it is not necessarily an amenity for folks to interact with and be in. Um, over the years, there have been numerous kids and people who have died and drowned in ditches across Montana. So they are something to be respectful of and cognizant of. They, this is a big ditch, frankly, when compared to other ditches in Missoula. So I don't know what the ultimate plan will be, if it's going to be above ground or, um, underground or how it all works out. I assume that between the developer and the city, there'll be a lot of thought as they work with the ditch company to, if it is above ground to be as safe as possible. Um, because it can be an attractive nuisance. Bad things can happen in ditches. And I know I'm not aware of anything happening in this area with this ditch, but I also, um, was a little, I think that 's part of the ditch conversation is, um, people can die in them. So I just wanted to put that out there, that that is something to be respectful of. Um, but the bottom line is, as we, as I've been on council for years now, and this has been a lot of work going into this project. Um, the need for housing in Missoula is huge. Um, there are numerous policies that I can refer to that not only highlight the incredible need for housing in Miss oula, but the boxes that are going to be addressed, the, the, um, priorities addressed with this proposal are connectivity for streets and greenways, um, getting far more density in this area than just single family homes. That was a proposal years ago and getting a park. Um, we have a growth policy that highlights all of this. We have a UR D three plan that this is within that highlights this. We have a place to call home our housing strategy that we passed in 2019 updated in 2025. And regarding building housing, I'll read from our housing strategy update. This is a summary to support development of dedicated affordable housing, naturally occurring affordable housing and diverse housing types to accommodate a broad spectrum of needs and preferences. That's in our housing strategy. In the midtown master plan, the priorities are, there's a lot of different priorities in the midtown master plan. And you can, with any one project, you will never hit all of the priorities, but it gives guidance. That's the value of it. Um, with our midtown master plan priority is to promote diverse housing types. Midtown today is lacking quote middle housing and quote types between single family homes and apartments. The variety of housing types in midtown should match the character and scale of development expressed in the community's vision, ranging from town homes to larger mixed use family buildings. That's what this pro this project does. It also prioritizes creating housing opportunities near transit and services. So when the developer went to the midtown master plan and looked at all this and pulled that out, I see that directly happening in this proposal. Um, I think that's about it. I am in favor of this. There's been a lot of comment for many months on this. And then there has been public process addressing all of this. Um, I've listened to all of that. Thought about it. I have visited this property several times. Um, and it's, this is a good project. I know it's going to be change. I know that is very hard when people have used it in one way for decades and now it's going to change. But I am also hopeful that in the long run, by the time it is all done, the park is built, the connectivity is established. There's a new community established there that it'll be a good thing. So I'm happy to vote yes on the different motions. There are three, I believe. So I'm in favor of all three. Thank you. Councillor Jones. Councillor Savage. Thank you. Um, I will be very brief. Um, I think that we, as the city bought this property, um, for this express purpose. It was never open space. Um, it was never even a park. I do fully understand and appreciate that neighbors have used it that way for many, many years. And, um, having lived in a neighborhood for a really long time where there's not a lot of green space, I definitely sort of appreciate that, um, you know, willingness to be innovative and find green space where one can. Um, I do appreciate that this will be a complete park, um, once it is done. And I know that we just, as a city have a huge priority for housing. 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And I think it just highlights the, you know, sort of competing priorities that projects like this have, uh, at the end of the day, I'm going to be supportive of this one, just largely based on, you know, the recognition that we have a serious need for, for housing. And especially as it pertains to market rate housing that comes online at or below the median price point from 2010 to 2024, the city of Missoula 's population growth has outpaced the United States by a factor of almost two X. The need is there. And there's a number of different ways you can break down an individual's income, but I'll, I think I'd just sum it up and say that, you know, at kind of a maxed out debt to income ratio, a hundred percent of a two earner AMI in the city of Missoula for them to be able to afford a median price home. That median price should be about 400,000. But as you know, it's about 550 right now. Um, from 24 to 25, Missoula actually did see a 3% decrease to get us to that 550 mark. And I can't find another city in Western Montana that saw any kind of decrease from 24 to 25. And it's like caveat there that that's bigger cities of about 10,000 or more population. But I don't think that's accidental. I think it's because of good projects like this. Um, yeah, additionally, I think, you know, just looking at the nationwide picture, um, very understanding and appreciative of the fact that, you know, folks want open space. But I also think that folks need and deserve housing options in our community. And I think this is a good project with a lot of very positive things about it and happy to be supportive. Sharing your perspective, Councillor Pondin. Appreciate that. And Councillor Kraske. Thank you. Um, I have some written comments. I can't promise that I'll be brief. Um, but as I've thought about this project in the sale, um, I find myself holding multiple truths at the same time. I have gone out to the site, walked the area, spoken with residents and neighbors, and I empathize with the concerns that have been shared. And I want neighbors to know that I've taken these concerns seriously. At the same time, Missoula needs more housing of all types across the spectrum. We need homes that are attainable for working families, young people, seniors, and people who want to remain in the community they already call home. I believe deeply that if we want affordability in Missoula, we have to allow more homes to be built. We've estimated that we need 1100 to 1400 new homes a year for 10 years to meet the demand. Healthy housing systems depend on movement within the market. As families grow, age, or gain financial stability, they're able to move into housing that better fits their needs, which in turn opens existing homes to first time buyers or other residents. While new housing alone will not solve affordability, failing to build enough only intensifies competition and displacement pressures across the market. This means supporting infill building up rather than out and focusing growth in the parts of our city that have already have infrastructure, transit access, and proximity to jobs and services. Stable housing is foundational to healthy communities. I often think about the kind of city our children's children will inherit and whether they will have access to safe neighborhoods, nearby parks, mature trees, walkable communities, and housing that their families can actually afford. There are tensions we are hearing tonight, concerns over neighborhood changes, trees, heat islands, quality of life. And I think our challenge as a city is learning how to hold multiple things at the same time. We need to build more housing and we need to also become better stewards of this environment, this urban environment that people depend on every day. That all being said, this land may be vacant from a development perspective, but it certainly has not been empty. For decades, neighbors have experienced this space as part of their environment and daily lives. Cottonwood groves have matured there. Birds, insects, and other wildlife rely on that habitat. The irrigation ditch provides cooling, greenery, and resp ite during increasingly hot summers. And this matters. As we talk more about climate and the changing climate and climate resilience, we have to talk about ecological equity . Who has access to shade, trees, open space, and cooling systems within the city itself. These concerns are real and I understand why neighbors are grieving the changes they're seeing. I also want to acknowledge that the inclusion of the community park identified in the PROS plan represents a commitment to preserve some public open space and community benefit within this development. It does not replace what currently exists and I understand why some neighbors feel that loss deeply. But I do think it reflects an effort toward balance and compromise. Adding much needed housing while also recognizing the importance of accessible green space, recreation, and environmental livability within a growing city. I would have liked to see more creativity around preserving mature trees where possible, reducing paved parking areas, and taking fuller advantage of the fact that Missoula has removed parking mandates. I wish the planned park was situated in a way that could allow for preservation of the current ditch location and the established cottonwood groves. I think developments like this challenge us to think more holistically about balancing housing production and habitat preservation and neighborhood livability. And as a newer member of council, I hope to use the lessons learned in this process as we navigate issues as a council and community in the future. 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And that's the way that we are missing the area. And that's the way that we are missing the area. So, let me just check my notes here. So, I think given those things, I think we could have done a little better. So, where I am going to land is I am going to vote in support of the SAIL agreements, both of them, and Councillor Nugent's amendment. But I am going to be opposed to the development agreement tonight with the knowledge that I know that this is going to pass forward. But I want to make that vote as a signal that I think we could have found a little better deal that addressed more of our constituents' concerns. And ideally provided for more park space for the next 50 to 75 years when this town is perhaps 150,000 people. And I share this gentleman's comments earlier. I wish nobody wanted to move here. But unfortunately, that's not the case. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor McCoy. Councillor Anderson. Thanks so much, Madam Mayor. Thank you all to my colleagues for your thoughtful comments thus far and questions and engagement so far. And, you know, an effort to bring some levity to, you know, it's like I feel like we've kind of missed the forest through the trees on this because I think that the mayor isn't, I want to commend you for your leadership and your vision in conjunction with the MRA because I think that what has been lost in all of this is the fact that because of the city's leadership that there's going to be a really thoughtful development that is going to create homeownership opportunities for 234 Missoula families at all levels of the rung of housing that is needed. Had we not stepped in and shown the sort of leadership and had the tool of MRA at our, to be able to do this project, you know, a private developer could have eventually come together and parceled this all together and, you know, built something that would have had zero public process and public input. They, under our, you know, the way it was platted in the subdivision and our current coding, they would only be required to have approximately .5 acres of activity area, which much of that could have been satisfied through balconies, courtyards and resident only spaces rather than a almost two acre public park that is intentionally and thoughtfully designed. Um, had we not stepped in and had vision and leadership around this, we wouldn't be able to, you know, we are putting together a development agreement that has, you know, things like owner occupancy and trying to, you know, trying to address some of the systemic problems within, you know, our community around development, because we are a state that is so heavy on private developer rights. You know, we can't require a certain amount of, um, units being set at certain price. We don't have inclusionary zoning. That's not because of lack of vision from the 12 of us sitting around this table. It is, uh, hands constantly being tied by the state legislature. Um, the, you know, we are going to work, you know, the device developer tomorrow could come in and cut down every single tree and put in a, um, you know, basically enclose the ditch, which, you know, and nobody would have anything to say about it. You know, I think we've heard a lot of pushback from the community about things that they would like to see different or better. And I appreciate that. And in that process, it does put this tension that does make for a better project. But what I think is lacking is the fact that we are able to even have the conversation in the first place. We were able to be intentional. We are able to address, address some of the, you know, things that cause developments to be more expensive and therefore make it less affordable for Missoulians. Because we are able to come in and use Tiff dollars and help offset some of the prices around or some of the costs around infrastructure and roads and sidewalks and, you know , curbs and gutters. That will create a savings that will be passed on to people in our community who are desperately looking at homes and they need them at all price points. So I, it has been frustrating because I feel like there's been this tension, right? Like we are putting, we are, you know, giving away open space land because for greedy developers and housing, this is a vacant lot that has always been intended to be housing . And for a variety of reasons, for a numerous, you know, things over the years, it has not come together. And we had this opportunity in 2024 to come in and start putting the pieces together and putting the parcels. And because of that, it isn't going to be buses in the middle of town. It isn't going to be high rises. It's going to be a thoughtful development that has a park that has numerous amenities as laid out and post that will have price points that hopefully, you know, not every Miss oulian can have, but there will be 234 Missoulian families who will be able to come together. And so I just, I appreciate all of the input and sort of the back and forth. But, you know, I think that I feel like we are, you know, really missing all the good that this has come. And because it is because we've had the ability to with MRA to do some of this because of your leadership, Madam Mayor, leadership of the MRA board. I mean, we had the $7.2 million to be able to purchase this land. And we are selling it and getting our $7.2 million back. And when these larger pieces of infrastructure go into place, we will be able to offset some of those costs with reimbursement from the MRA. And there will be a public park that will be intentional that will meet some of these needs. I understand people having a love for the land and their neighborhood. This parcel used to be in Ward 5. I've knocked those doors of that neighborhood. I understand that. And I really appreciate the thoughtfulness in which our parks director addressed some of that. And it is not insignificant, but it was never intentional that this was going to be an open space land. It just sort of through a variety of reasons has ended up that way. And I have walked that parcel and there's broken down fences and there are piles of, you know, earth and other things. And there is also beautiful space. But that was never the intention of this land. And because we have been able to come together and put the pieces of the puzzle together, I think that in the long run , we as a community are better off. And the people in Midtown will be better off. And the people who get to call this intentional community home will be better off. And so I just want to thank you for your leadership and thank the MRA and the board and all the staff that have worked on this. This has not been easy, but has, you know, I think that this is the sort of leadership and visionary that makes Missoula very unique. And I'm proud to serve on this council and have these tough conversations and, and be representing the community that I think will be better off because of this. So thank you. Thank you for your kind remarks. Thank you for your kind remarks. Councilor Anderson. Councilor Campbell. Yeah. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, and thank you as well to staff. I know we've been working months, if not years on this and other people in the background to get to the point we're at tonight. Um, so for benefit of the public developer and everyone else here, just a reminder, um, when this came before a council, a year and a half or so ago, I had opposed the purchase of this land from the get go, because I believe then that it is not the role of government against the real estate. Not the role of government to land bank is not the role of government to use taxpayer dollars to subsidize private development. I believe that then I believe that now. Um, you know, look at recent examples of purchases here through MRA dollars. And we've talked about, um, talk about the Marriott building and talk about Stoppins bank. Um, you have a private development here. That's taken place now that will be, uh, completely, uh, market rate homes. You know, we hope for the best. We hope for something that couldn't hit that missing middle , if you will, for housing, but there's no guarantee. There's nothing development agreement that compels it. Um, going back to this particular project, uh, what we have is $7.2 million. And we're selling the property back to developer for $7.2 million. Uh, that again, I don't think we should have had in the first place, but we're selling it to them in $20, $25. We're selling it to them, um, interest free. They do installment payments over five years. If five years isn't long enough, they'd come back, ask for more time and extend it. Um, heck of a good deal. Um, 10 point million dollars worth of infrastructure and money for the park with no guarantee that's going to stay within the 10.9 million. And we've had other projects and no, it's not a completely apples to apples comparison. But you look at the downtown sand project and cost overruns there. There's a contingency built in there and you know, it's good that there's a contingency built in here as well, but there's no guarantees. Don't know what inflation is going to be like, what material costs going to be like going down the line. And it's a city of Missoula. That's going to be held to see through the necessary improvements. And hopefully it's within the 10.9 million, but no guarantee. But you know what? It's taxpayer dollars. So I guess in some way that justifies it and makes it okay. And that's unfortunate. Um, you know, I, I suppose, or for comments down here, it's going to be mentioned about, you know, the benefit of the increment and the increment that will be achieved, uh, with new development. And certainly, you know, we're looking forward to Franklin crossing. Looking forward to maybe a purchase of. Forest service property, maybe other projects down the line . Um, why I keep coming back to is another use of this increment that happens time and time again. And there has been no mention of any of this discussion. It's happened five of the last seven years. And that's continued use of remitting tax increment to fund our general fund so that we could balance our checkbook year after year. Last year we did it. We spent almost $7 million to get $2 million to our general fund. And that's $5 million that got, you know, shoved away. And it will be used other than to remit back to our tax and jurisdictions. Uh, served us no good whatsoever. I have no idea what fiscal year 27 is going to look like. Um, you know, from comments I heard from staff, you know, we can't be sure what, you know, new revenue is going to be generated from the revenue department. So we don't know where, where that's going to go, but we're getting to this cycle of, you know, we're saying that the increment is a good thing that these developments and us against land banking, creating this increment is a good thing. But then every year we keep going back to remitting tax dollars back to replenish our general fund and do what we need to do to do the city's business year after year again, to pay our firefighters, pay our police officers, to manage our parks. And to me, that's the tell that this whole system is broken and has some dysfunction to it and doesn't work the way that it constantly gets presented by, um, the mayor's office, by other staff, uh, to the media. And, um, yeah, it's a, it's a systemic problem, uh, specifically for your D three. Uh, we have payments that we're still making for Southgate mall properties for the Mary Avenue improvements. Um, last I checked, we're still paying more in interest on that for the bond payments than we are in principle. So that's a payment that's still continuing. Um, you know, through all of this, we, we just updated a new uniform development code, new zoning. And, you know, I have high hopes. I think we, everyone at this table has high hopes that that new uniform development code will foster private development in the real free market to come in and start putting shovels in the ground and building more homes. And again, those numbers up to where they need to be. But I don't think it's government responsibility to come in and spend tax dollars to incentivize what the free market should be doing for themselves. Um, you know, all that said, you know, there've been occasions where I've found myself on the positive end of, you know, I do believe there is an occasional use for tax increment financing. Uh, two samples I wrote down here, river front triangle, which was in support of. I mean, but we're getting a good public benefit there. We're getting ongoing revenue for the affordable housing trust fund. We're getting a, a river front piece of property. That's going to stay public for public use. Um, I look at the Rivera project and we're going to have longterm affordable housing there and your community land trust. That's sustainable. I think there's benefit there, but going back to where we are today, we're talking about private development for market rate housing. And, you know, I, I think the conditions are very favorable for them. I think the hope is because it's favorable that, you know, they'll come down with the housing prices, prices, condomin iums of departments to make them affordable for workforce housing. But, you know, by the same token, I think, you know, to say market rate, I think you have to put an asterisk after that and say that it's market rate because the city is doing things to contort the conditions of this particular property. Again, we're in the business of picking winner or losers by the way we operate as a city and as a redevelopment agency, picking winners and users. And I think it has the detrimental effect on the overall housing market within the city of Missoula as a whole, that they don't get the same benefit that we're telling one group, you know, we're going to make it good for you. So hopefully, you know, you consider because it's not a development agreement to mandate it that you'll lower the price of housing, but for other developers, you know, competitors or elsewhere in the city that they're left to their own devices. So no doubt this is going to pass tonight. I think I've already done the headcounted. So, you know, congratulations to the developer. You know, hopefully you can follow through with a park that works for people that live in the Franklin and Fort area down there. And I hope we, you know, get some affordability when the actual shovel gets in the ground and structures get built and occupancies get issued and finally get people into those homes. But based on my own personal philosophy of what government is here to do and what's not here to do, I will be a no vote. Thank you for your comments, Councillor Campbell. Councillor Cheryl. Yeah, thanks. 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We will be able to vote for the same vote. We will be able to vote for the same vote. You know, this was a privately held vacant lot in the middle of our city with no legal public access. When the owners of these lots decided to sell, they thankfully contacted the city first. If the city had not stepped in at this point to buy and control the direction of how this site was developed, or had the owners not had the desire to see a positive outcome, I feel certain that this would not only lack a public park, but would also have higher density, less planned infrastructure, and would have had a much less desirable outcome for the community as a whole. I want to thank Beach Transportation and the Lambros for coming to the city. We are in the midst of a housing crisis in our city and in our nation. We need housing at all levels, including the missing middle . Households that make too much for subsidized housing and not enough to afford the average home price and rent in Missoula. This is the missing middle that we're talking about. There are so many people in this community that will benefit from housing in this range. I mean, if you look at the numbers and the chart, the bridge I think the mayor called it, you know, I know a lot of people that fall into that range. I understand the neighbors' concerns and I understand that this level of change and loss is difficult. Even while it was private property, the neighborhood used it, they walked their dogs on it, and they enjoyed it in many different ways. I get that. I really appreciate Director Yoshioka's recognition of the grief in losing this special place to the neighbors. I was just there this morning with some of my colleagues walking the property and I felt that. I mean, you feel it when you're in some of those wooded areas. So, I understand it and I understand why some of the neighbors were upset tonight. I think that's a great thing. I think that's a great thing. I think that's a great thing. 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It will provide a developed safe park for the neighborhood, and it will provide street connections, sidewalks, and lighting. As Marina also said, I like this comment, "Cottonwoods grow fast and die young." It sounds, makes trees growing sound much more exciting, I think, than it is. You know, I know we will lose trees in this project. Some of them are invasive, and some are toward the end of their lifespan, but certainly not all of them are. We will also be planting a lot of trees in the parks, the boulevards, and the developed areas. It is true that they will not be as big. It is not an even trade out, but they will grow with time. So, as I know everyone understands by now, I am supportive of this project. I also want to say that I appreciate Mr. Nugent's work on his amendment. I think that this is a good amendment to hopefully stop that from happening, if they can't buy them up in big blocks. So, I think that's a good amendment. I mean, sitting on Council, we're always trying to look for what could happen in the future, and I think that was a good look forward in it. And I will be voting for this. Thank you very much, Councillor Cheryl. And Councillor Nugent. Thank you, Mayor Davis. Cottonwoods grow fast and die young. I'm surprised no one's written a folk song about that. It fits right in. I wanted to, first of all, say I appreciated Councillor McC oy's comments about pressure. I thought that actually answered criticism we get a lot about thought, and kind of what it's like to try and make these decisions. And I wanted to add to that for a second and just say, you know, this idea that the 12 of us just started thinking about this last week or last month is just not true. I mean, we've been thinking about it since the day that the city bought it. And those of us who were on Council when that happened, obviously, have been thinking about it. And those of you who joined us knew this was on your radar. I was there with the mayor when we announced it, and I was excited then and I'm excited now. And so I think that, you know, we learn details and we hear from the public. And I think something the mayor said last week is important . And that's that, you know, we have heard a lot. And sometimes it's difficult to understand in public decision making that, you know, being heard and getting the outcome you want are different things. And that can be difficult because there are different community members who have come and spoken tonight that wanted different things. And so we have to get to a certain place. I want to respond to the idea that that nothing short of deed restricted units counts as affordable and that marker eight homes are by definition unreffordable. In Missoula right now, as my colleague, Councilman Ponton said, the median sales price is around $550,000, give or take. The idea that there are going to be any homeownership or homeownership opportunities in this project that may come in $200,000 below that median price point is incredible. That's a huge deal for people who earn too much to qualify for deep subsidies, but they still can't touch a typical listing in this town. Those households absolutely exist. They live here now. I see them regularly and they need a place to go. Those are people who are coming in to take new jobs or who are growing and need a new home or looking to raise their family here. They absolutely exist. They exist. At the same token, we absolutely need income restricted units and we are investing in those projects, too. We've talked about the Franklin Crossing. We've talked about Rivara. We've talked about other projects around this dais. But it's simply not true that naturally occurring below median market rate housing doesn't help. It absolutely helps. And when we add homes at 200,000 below what the median Miss oula buyer is facing, we're creating options and you take pressure off the very lowest income units as well. Because this is part of a bounce strategy and pretending that it doesn't count because it doesn't have a subsidy attached to it doesn't match the reality of our housing market. So saying this isn't affordable housing because it doesn't fit a single program definition ignores the families who are shut out of the current market, but don't qualify for those programs. This project is for them and they've been missing from the conversation. I spoke with a developer in town who builds affordable housing for purchase and for rent. And he pointed out to me that the calculation of AMI for for sale housing is not objective like rental housing. It's not a set because it's influenced by things like interest rates and other factors beyond the developer's control that can fluctuate. And the reality is a public commenter referenced the Reed project, which is down by the old Missoula building. And I think this previous version of this council had great intention of getting for sale purchaseable units tied to AM I. And I think there's four. And that's great. But what we've learned and Councillor Shell, you and I have actually heard from one of the current owners is that the AMI calculation, the AMI calculations made it so restrictive that it's tough to find buyers who can qualify for that project. And so it's sometimes on the on the for sale side, it's tougher to do that. Now, there are some tools that the mayor and I have kind of lamented don't exist that we've got some ideas to maybe see what the state legislature can do next time to help in our efforts around that front. But historically, AMI restrictions for for sale housing results in very slow absorption. And I think to get developers to want to partner with us to build housing like this, they also need some velocity. They want to get those markets, those units to market and get them sold. And for better or worse, we're seeing in Rivara that little bit slower absorption. That doesn't mean it's a bad project. In fact, it's still a great project. But I think it's an example of why we really can only have one of those going on at a time, because we don't want to create anything that's competition for that. We want to get that absorbed and then we can focus on another one. So we need to focus on housing all over the place. I want to touch on a couple points, but I want to say mostly that I agree with a lot of the comments that so many of you made. They're thoughtful. They take in thoughts about the future and what what the next generations of Missoulians need to look at what the kids growing up now are going to face. I've said before, I think I said it when we first purchased this. I think this is urban renewal at its finest. This is taking what's been vacant land and underutilized for years and recognizing that it could be a higher and better use and using taxing room and financing to get there . This is already subdivided land. So, you know, we're not doing a subdivision, but without the city's purchase of this deal, it would have been developed privately. We might not have a park at all. So I appreciate the staff and all the time that's gone into planning that. I think that I would just end by saying, you know, we've heard it before, but perfect will always be the enemy of enemy of good on sites like this. There will always be something that we wish we could do more of. But the reality is that anything that we add that increases costs does get passed on to the eventual homeowners. And so we talked about the infrastructure. And if if the MRA wasn't stepping in to help with the infrastructure, all that $10 million number would be on the units. That's it's the way that that works out. And I think that as we balance those things, we're trying to find the good and we want to get it as good or as great or as close to perfect as we can get. But we cannot let perfect be the enemy of the good. One of the commenters on Wednesday said that we are and always have been a growing city. And our code reform, our current land use plan, our previous growth policy all talked about focus inward. And I think that this meets that at, you know, at its very best point. And I would argue that there are winners in this. There are going to be winners because we are going to give 200 plus Missoulians the opportunity to own a home. And as I mentioned earlier, you know, another project that 's limiting that owner occupancy and coming in below market rate has almost entirely been first time home buyers. And that there is such a need for that and those people are struggling to get into the ownership market that we could probably do this project three times over and still meet that need. So it is going to make it a difference. It is affordable for people who are working in Missoula and living in Missoula. It might not be for everyone. And that's why, again, we need the spectrum. But this is real. It's going to make a difference in people's lives. And I think we're going to look back on it and be proud that we were part of it. So, Mayor, I want to thank you for your leadership on this, your vision and your willingness to bring experts together to help guide your decision making. I think one of the things that's kind of grossly misunderstood in all of this is that you are the mayor, you 're the chief executive, and you bring stuff to council for our consideration. And I would expect nothing less than for you to rely on experts and people to help guide your recommendations. And I appreciate that you do that and you're going to continue to do that. I want to thank all the staff as well for being so responsive. As questions come in, trying to get that back to get answers back to council as soon as possible, especially Dale and Ryan and the developers for working on my amendment that many of you on council supported and the mayor supported as well. And that stuff doesn't happen automatically. That takes all kinds of time. So the amount of time that that staff has put into this, not only in the last week, but in the last two years, is going to make a difference. And so with that, I, of course, will be a yes on this for all the reasons I've stated and so many more. And I just want to say thank you to everybody who's gotten this here. Thank you very much, Councillor Nugent, President Nugent for your generous comments. And thank you so much for providing as much perspective as you have. I don't want to stand in between us and the votes that come for the three motions and the amendment. But before I do ask Claire to do those roll call votes, I too want to thank our city staff for the incredible amount of heart, vision, tenacity, perspective, time that you have spent to put forward a very thoughtful project and process. I really appreciate the, you know, bringing back up that we can't allow perfect to be the enemy of the good. And that is what we have kind of done over the years. We've wanted to get so perfect on some of these projects that we just haven't gotten them done. And at the same time, I mean, just today, somebody sent me a New York Times article saying, "America needs to build more housing. Build more housing." America does need to build more housing. I looked at the Missoulian 50 years ago. We, the headline said that the housing costs are, what did it say? May 18th, 1976. Housing is out of reach. Housing is out of reach. Developers said that the city is costing them too much money by having to build those darn roads. And guess what was eating up people in 1976? Inflation. We cannot sit by and expect things to just happen. We have the opportunity to be intentional, but we have to be really smart about it. And so we are being thoughtful. We are being pragmatic. The reality is if we want to get more out of a larger park, if we want to subsidize units here, we have to put more public money into that. And that is not what I'm asking to do because we can achieve a great project here that meets a number of different goals on our housing bridge without having to do that because we have brought all of these pieces together, because we have pulled all these pieces from our various thoughtful housing policies. So I also want to thank members of the public, those that are here. Thank you for continuing to stay engaged and bringing your concerns forward. As I mentioned on Wednesday, we have heard you over the last 18 months that we purchased this property with the intention of redeveloping it per the Midtown master plans goals. And I do believe that your comments have shaped a really beneficial project. I know that it's not going to save the cottonwoods along the irrigation ditch that you so value. And for that, I'm sorry. That is a very difficult situation. I grieve with you. I have what was once apple trees next door to me is now a threeplex. And when I stand on my front porch, I look at two homes that are being built that was once a small cottage and a large yard. I understand the feeling of what you're going through. And yet, I also understand that more mazzolians will have housing choices in a walkable neighborhood because ultimately, I live in a walkable neighborhood. And more people have the opportunity to walk to Franklin Park, my neighborhood park, to walk to this park along the trail. We are a growing neighborhood and we can do that thought fully. With that, I'll conclude my comments. Thank you all so much for the time and the energy to get to this point. And Claire, I'll turn this over to you for roll call votes. I do believe that we should do the amendment separately if that's okay, Councillor Nugent. Yes, indeed. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. All right. Keeping with our traditional order of operations, we'll begin with the amendment. Beginning with the amendment, which is a friendly amendment to amend section 4.12 of the development agreement to require owner occupancy restrictions. Beginning with the amendment, beginning with the amendment. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Jones. Yes. Jordan. No. McCoy. Aye. No McCoy Nelson yes Nugent yes Ponton yes savage Yes, Cheryl yes Anderson yes, the Sarah yes and Campbell no The amendment has 10 in favor and to oppose the amendment passes We will Continue on with the Development agreement, so the third motion since we just did the amendment approve the development agreement well, never mind Let's start with our best go or in our order Approve the real property purchase and sale agreement between the city and Miramont companies for the Midtown Commons property purchase formerly known as Southgate crossing Beginning with Jones yes Jordan no McCoy I Nelson yes Nugent yes Ponton yes Savage yes Cheryl yes Anderson yes Becerra yes Campbell no and krask yes That item had 10 in favor to oppose that motion passes Next vote is the second sale agreement the emotion or to approve the real property purchase and sale agreement between the city and Miramonta companies for the Tollefson property purchase Beginning with Jones Yes, Jordan no McCoy I Nelson yes Nugent yes Ponton yes Savage yes Cheryl yes Anderson yes, the Sarah yes Campbell no Brass yes That ice item item. I That ice item also had tenant in favor and to oppose that item passes That item passes And the final vote is to approve the development agreement For the Midtown Commons project between Miramonta companies and the city and the Missoula redevelopment agency Beginning with Jordan No McCoy no Nelson yes Nugent yes Ponton yes Savage yes Cheryl yes Anderson yes Becerra yes Campbell no Krask yes And Jones yes That vote had nine in favor and three opposed it also passes Okay Okay Thank you all very much Very extensive conversation. I want to thank each and every council member for your Thoughtfulness the time that you have spent on the evaluation of this project just even this last month in these last several public meetings let alone Since the time that this project came about 18 months ago and this been this potential We are going to build a new neighborhood in the middle of town as a result of the scale of this project And that is a really monumental achievement for where we are so I'm real excited to see this move forward and With that we'll wrap up this agenda item. I'd love to say that we're adjourning But there is public comment for items that are not on the agenda So if anybody is here that wishes to make public comment that hasn't already On items not on the agenda you're welcome to do that now But I do think when you talk during the first public comment period Okay, you're welcome to come on up come on up come on up. Yep. You're right. No, I was saving it Um, so thank you all for all the work you put in I've watched this over as long as you have and um, I will say though um It was like 12 days from when it came out, but what i'm going to talk about is Um, if you were to do this again something like this I'd suggest one not cutting the public out of input right off the bat Well, no, it wasn't right off the bat. It was like at the open house. That was a way to offend um Residents and and that's we're like what are you kidding me ? And so um, so it kind of went downhill after that and

running was the distance eating and just like smash a bunch of candy while I'm running around. I'll practice. There's that. Scratch gummies great. I've been just bringing a Ziploc bag of of dates with me. That's been my uh, a trick just 'cause they're like such high carb. But they're somewhat natural. Yeah. But if I'm really getting after it, I'll bring a chocolate chip cookie. They're like something. They'll come. Is the city guest working for anybody? Um. I have a different Wi-Fi, some staff, but it. I kind of have a love-hate relationship with city guest. Certainly. Using my phone, but it doesn't like that either. So. Well, you can't be scribing. So do you know where Brandon was off to? I never never heard in spite of his many announcements. No. Just moved out of Missoula. We had no. No April, right? Yeah. No. No. No April, right? No. No. No. No. No, no. No, no. Well, there wasn't quorum. I think we did not have a meeting. Yeah. So it was canceled because there weren't enough people to have a meeting. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yep. So. I think we did not have a meeting. Yeah. So it was canceled because there weren't enough people to have a meeting. Yep. Two, three, four, five. Minus three. So when Olivia gets here, we will have a meeting. Okay. So we're going to have a meeting. Okay. So we're going to have a meeting. Okay. So we're going to have a meeting. Okay. So we're going to have a meeting. Okay. So we're going to have a meeting. Okay. So we're going to have a meeting. Okay. So we're going to have a meeting. Okay. So we're going to have a meeting. Okay. So we're going to have a meeting. One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three. So when Olivia gets here, we will have a forum. Great news. Oh, that was. I had to park over here because my bikes were in various states of rideability. Tough, tough feeling. None of the bikes are in a rideable state. They're, they're, they're in rideable. I went 55 this morning, so. Oh, wow. But I. You just got on the Vittery Branch, Carol. No, I went from here, big mountain up to big flat and then up over to Butler Creek and up to the Point Six Road and then down to back to North Missilla. It's nice morning. You smashed it while it was in the office. You have this, you have this first call in jail. Any. Any, any, any, any. Yes. How does it go? Spring. Oh, I got the agenda. We're going to give it just another minute. Ben is joining. I see Ben. Ben's here. Olivia is running late. Actually, we do have our quorum. Olivia will be here. Get this party rolling. Right. Yeah. All right. All right. We won't do anything significant until you get back. Olivia is running a little bit late, but she'll be here. We've got it for him. So let's get this. This. Go on the road. Couple quick announcements. Welcome to the bicycle pedestrian advisory board. It is May 18th. 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If you're attending via mobile phone, please raise your hands. If you're attending via mobile phone, please raise your hands. If you're attending via mobile phone, please raise your hands. If you're attending via mobile phone, please raise your hands. If you're attending via mobile phone, please raise your hands. If you're attending via mobile phone, please raise your hands. If you're attending via mobile phone, please raise your hands. Let's start off with previous minutes. If anyone had a chance to review February and March minutes , both attached to the agenda. Okay. All right. I will entertain a motion to approve. One at a time or who cares? We can do both at once. I moved that. I second. Seconded it. Excellent. And a vote. Just raise your hands if you're into it. Great. Minutes pass. Okay. General public comments. Would any of our public like to make a general comment? No, I see none in the room. I see none. Is that a hand raised? No, I don't see any hands raised online. Okay. Any general board member comments? Okay. We're going to jump right on into it out of respect for Charlie's time and to give as much time possible for Ben later in the agenda. Comments from city staff. Ben, we have you as a 6.1. Would you like to start us off? No, I'm going to let Charlie go. And just a quick note on agenda here. I divided his item into two items just for like full transparency and kind of rules of order sort of things. So I put the staff report as his explanation of what's going on. And then I have a new business item for you all to actually engage with. Okay. Hello. Hey there. I'm just a member of the community that's interested in this stuff. Fantastic. Hey, guess what stuff? No. Yes. Well, I did the board of stuff. Hey, any open seat. Feel free to jump in. The water is fine. Everybody is quite friendly. What's your name? Landon. Landon. Nice to meet you, Landon. Thanks, my name is James. I'm the chair of this pirate ship. Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Board. Go on in here. Jump on in. It's nice to meet you. And Landon, we did. Oh, thanks. Thanks for coming. We did just get started. So if you have any questions along the way, feel free to ask. Of course. Otherwise, we are off to the races. All right. All right. So Ben has divided the letter of support separate from the presentation. So we'll chat about the letter afterwards. Is that correct, Ben? That was my thing. And just to make it clear, if any members of the public are following along what this board does, I wanted it to be clear that Charlie is presenting the fact that we are applying for this grant application, whether or not the board decides to support with a letter. And so then I have the board's discussion of the letter of support as a separate item. Great. Okay. Well, with that in mind, let's roll on over to... And then I'll turn it to Charlie. Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and share my screen for this presentation. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it's going to be clear. I don't know if I'm going to be clear about one of these things. I'm going to be dialed in. Full screen. Full screen. Full screen here. So some people in this room are aware and have been involved with the Reserve Street Safety Action Plan. We brought that plan to this board, Landon, several times. And it was a plan that we completed with funding through this federal grant program called the Safe Streets and Ro ads for All program. And that plan yielded a lot of recommendations specifically with orientation of how to reduce and rid our roadways or Reserve Street specifically of fatal and serious injury crashes. And so we want to pursue funding that some outcomes from that plan that was adopted in March Reserve Street Safety Action Plan through this year's grant opportunity. And so we're calling this this grant the Reserve Street Safety Implementation and Demonstration Project. And I'll explain why it has that law-worthy name. So I'm going to go over the Safe Streets and Roads for All program. And then we're going to dive into the proposed scope of work and potentially spend a little bit of time on schedule . And we can just make this whole presentation casual with discussion throughout. So the Safe Streets and Roads for All program is designed with a lot of sort of specifics to reduce and eliminate roadway fatalities and serious injuries. And so we've. And so we've. As stated completed a safety action plan for Reserve Street and now we there's three pathways of the plan safety action plans implementation. So that's construction and then demonstration and we've kind of settled on. Doing combination of the. Of both implementation and demonstration. Our pathway. The typical project range is in between two and a half million dollars to $25 million. Our. Our project is. Quite below that. And I'll explain why that is, but that doesn't mean it's a bad project. And the grant program has a required 20% minimum local batch, which is quite a lot of money for the city of Missou la. So we have to provide whether that's the city or the county . But because it is local. Those those are sort of funding sources and it's closing next Tuesday. So. We have been working on this quite quick. So our proposed budget. We're going to ask for federal court request of around a million dollars. It might go up to a million and a quarter. Or the total project cost goes up to a million and quarter with a local match of $250,000. And sort of our reason for that was we had to coordinate really rapidly after adopting the plan in March. And the city's public works director Jeremy Keene stated that about $200,000 was a reasonable commitment that the city could provide through the. sort of CIP or capital improvement program outlook. So we worked with that budget to come up with our scope rather than selecting our projects and. Then determining what we wanted to submit. So our proposed scope is to do quick build interventions for pretty much all of the elements that we'd be constructing. Um, and doing both an implementation project for key components and then also demonstration projects. So the first thing is a group of intersections, quick build intersection improvements at American Way. River Road, International Drive and Stockyard Road and then old US 93. And although these selections are quite oriented towards automobile. Crash histories, those were sort of hot spots for fatal and serious injury crashes. Um, and sort of stand out amongst the corridor. And so for a really low cost, we can do an intervention either right in right out. So using a median to limit turning movements or east west travel. Or in certain circumstances such as American Way continue allow to allow that left in movement. And fire city fire has stated that that is the need the left in turning movement because there's a retirement home off of American Way that they are going to. They say almost every single day. Um, and so. The really simple interventions that we'd be building through quick build. So you can see that there's a lot of dollars and sort of concrete curbing. Um, and this would just. Reduce the turning movement conflicts that have caused that crash history at those four intersections. Um, and then we're looking at a pedestrian crossing improvement. Um, and we're writing the grant in a broad manner, um, to. And we're looking at a pedestrian crossing. We're looking at a pedestrian crossing. We're looking at a pedestrian crossing. We're looking at a pedestrian crossing. We're looking at a pedestrian crossing. We're looking at a pedestrian crossing. We're looking at a pedestrian crossing. We're looking at a pedestrian crossing. We're looking at a pedestrian crossing. 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Yeah, those would look like a over overhead. Hawk signal. Which for example, the. location north of SRAM. We're calling that the Homewood Suites location. Because it is directly in front of that hotel there. There is overhead signage, but there's no lighting. And then CS Porter. There is. Lighting there. But there is sort of more substantial lighting that. acts like a red light. So it sort of forces. Weakley as well. Equals to stop. It would look more substantial than maybe the pedestrian crossing. Lights the RFBs from taking a rapid flashing beacons that you see at. Fifth and sixth street. Off of Gerald Avenue. That's right here where I live. So that's sort of our intended. Sort of intervention for. Pedestrian crossing. And ideally we would have that located at 7th street. But we want to sort of leave it open. Into the grant development process. Through this river road. I know you said getting the neighborhood involved. Which is great. Is that is the like. Ideal to not have. Left turn access unless needed. The. The ideal is that we have the money for the roundabout. With the app that's like a. That would allow for the. The. The ideal is that we have the money for the roundabout. With the app that's like a. That would allow for, you know, full turning movements. Safer bicyclists and pedestrian access. And this is just a stepping stone. What the data says is that the right in and right out. And not allowing that left in. Would yield the greatest safety benefit. But the left in right in right out. Would still allow or yield the safety benefit. Because you're not allowing the east west or. To the right in right out. To the right in right out. To the right in right out. And so. That's important to know. You're also not allowing a north. Bound or northwest. Bound left turn onto the. West side of river road there. You're only allowing left turn if you're traveling. South on the corridor and turning into the river road. neighborhood proper as we think of it. If you see that diagram there. And these were the two. Sort of intersections that were developed further. Within the plan. in the road road. But. The. The other locations that international drive. Stockyard road intersection. As well as old US 93. Which is on the south side. Just north of the Brook Street intersection. Would be seeing very similar interventions. with the right in right out being the preferred. Dynamic. Yeah, I. You know, I think that. ideally American with all of these. We have signal control or roundabout. For river roads specifically is where that's called out. For the plan. But that could take us a decade. Or more. And if we have, you know, an annual crash. Reduction of 45 up to 45%. For all crashes and up to 80% for fatal. and serious injury crashes. Over 10 years that's. substantial. Yeah. It is important to know that there isn't. Any direct. Pedestrian or bicycle. Facility changes involved with this. This is very much vehicle. We movement oriented in all of the things. That we would see would essentially be the placement. Of a quick build medians within the. Sort of existing. Curved in her lane area. But you are taking out. some turning movements in which pedestrians are. You know, using crosswalks and. Although that's a secondary and less sort of. Like data supported benefit, there may be. Benefits seen there from that. that's a secondary. But. Just the nature of having. $250,000 of local match. Not. $2.5 million in local match. Yes. that's a secondary. I had a. I had a. Oh, how about the day I credit credit. When you get the information on 45% reduction. Is that something that is? Is that you're from outside? Or is this something that? Yeah, I'll give the number of crashes and turn a crank. on some program. How does that work? Yeah, so a lot of civil engineering. Interventions for roadways. Have undergone study. And there's. There's a couple of things, but there's proven. safety countermeasures. So those are tied to crash reductions. And then there's also dependent on the intervention. Crash modification factors. Which are referenced here directly. And used to calculate out that. Benefit cost ratio. So essentially these interventions have. Yeah, attached. Crash modification factors to them that result from. Sort of a. Scientific study process. that's not utilized in. Civil engineering. What a project is. Sure. Is implemented. They'll do before after. Sandy. In your experience or. As long as the experience do those. Those bear out. Or is it is a bigger crash reduction or. I'm smaller crash reduction in general. We have a small number. It's hard to get a good estimate of. Probability of you know. Yeah, we have one once. Yeah. I mean. We haven't put this kind of. Intervention in place. There's something similar. That's new on. Broadway. And I don't believe. At large. We've done. That great of like. Before after study. I would say like for example. The neighborhood traffic management program. is. Ben has put a lot of the quick build. Interventions at the neighborhood scale. Different type of intervention, but still. Similar construction. They've. Yielded really great data. Before after for reducing. speeds. And so. We still need to do some study. Sort of. Long term. On like. Crash reductions. Which is something that. That's what I've been doing some. Coordination around. But it is. That type of stuff is kind of difficult. Because you have to have a pretty long period of time. And there. Generally. Is on our neighborhood streets. Quite a low crash density. And then kind of like, you know, if you just have one random. Spot on that neighborhood street back. Curtin. The last five years, it's not really. But speed might be a good indicator. For risk. Yeah, that you know. Long and long you have the relationship there. And so this is feeding back to your. The other, you know, the demonstration part of their. Of this whole proposal is. Is looking to get a few things. Implemented and in place. And learning from those with the before after studies. Do I understand this correctly? Yeah. Yeah. So. We would be doing before and after studies. For these intersections to a rough extent. But our plan would be to keep them in the ground. They're just shown to be. Very useful. They're talking to be can testing. You know, the buy in from the. The planning process. The demonstration component would be applying. Applied to the speed management. So one of those speed management components. We plan to apply for who is the highest speed. Section or the border, which is the Clark Fort. The average. And one of the reasons we want to study that. We probably just leave it in the ground. But there is a question. For the type of treatment. We'd be planning to use, which is dynamic speed. Feedback signs. The signs that tell you the speed you're traveling. In relation to the posted speed limit. And there is some question on how effective those are. In the long term. So you want to put those in the ground. Do speed studies before. And then do speed studies after they've been in the ground. For, you know, a year. And see if that has some sort of effect on the corridor. And then we can report on that. And we can apply that knowledge that we learn. To other parts of the corridor. This is a pretty low cost thing. So I think it would be. You know, reasonable to. Yeah, apply to other places. The other thing is we are. We are admitting to the Clark Fork River Bridge. But we are buffering our grant with quite a bit of conting ency. So if we have remaining funds available. We can apply those to the Broadway Bridge. As well as north of the 7th Street intersection. Which is another high speed location. As there's a downward grade there. If you're traveling north. And then the last component of the grant. Is one of the key recommendations of the plan. Was to implement access management. Between 3rd Street and Brook Street. That's a pretty large section. And access management essentially is. Implementing use of medians. To sort of limit the. What is currently allowed is. Left turn at will. Using the two way left turn lane. In the middle of the road. Which allows you to turn into the number of. Sort of smaller scale business. Driveway access points. A lot of the uncontrolled intersections. Even residential driveways. And that turning movement dynamic. Is really what has. Created the. Crash. The main cause of the crash history. Through that section. And so we want to do a study. With public engagement. Because this previous plan. Did not necessarily have the. Budget time or really ability. To do one on one business engagement. And then through that process. Determine our specific locations. And then implement. To implement. Maybe not the full scale of the. Third street to Brooks in terms of. Access management, but. What are deemed highest priority. We already know what those locations are. In terms of safety data. But we don't. We're not being specific. In that manner in our grant application. Just because. In our study we might find that. You know, like. There's some necessary access. That some resident needs. To get in and out of their house. And there's not really. A safer way to make those movements. Or. Other things like for example. The key locations there are actually uncontrolled. Intersections which are very similar to our. Other intersections that we selected. For permanent, but we want to also test. The mid block crossing effectiveness. So maybe it's less of a crash history. In those mid blocks. But we want to see how that affects. Turning movements and travel. Or nor. So. That is our great application. We can dive into the schedule. We've got to. The next day. We'd be hearing our award for this. By about fall of. 2026. Assuming we are awarded the grant. We could likely have a grant. We've been in place by. The end of winter of 2027. And then go through a process. Of contracting. Probably through. Spring into summer of 2027. That typically takes several months. To get contracts RFPs in place. Selections. All of that following the. Ideal process. And then we could jump into. In fall of 2027. Our engineering of those. Implementation projects. And then beginning our planning study. For the access management. And then through spring and summer. We get construct our implementation. And demonstrations. Projects through that. 2028 season. And then would sort of be the. You know projects would be in the ground. And we'd be doing study. Of how those are operating. Producing our reports for how those are. Operating. And then. By summer of 29. We'd be determining if we want to remove. Or maintain. Both of the demonstration components. And then. We'd be determining if we want to remove. Or maintain. Both of the demonstration components. And then. We'd be determining if we want to remove. Or maintain. Both of the demonstration components. And then. By summer of 29. We'd be determining if we want to remove. Or maintain. Both of the demonstration components. And then. By summer of 29. We'd be determining if we want to remove. Or maintain. Both of the demonstration components. So. Yeah, that's roughly our schedule. I've been in more detail in our grant application. But that's how it looks on a PowerPoint slide. Yeah. Thinking about 2029 stresses me out. Any thoughts or questions? A question I have. that maybe is for Ben. They know a lot of times when we're talking about. Just various projects. One of the things that we can consider is like. Well, while they're doing this at this intersection. Can they repaint pedestrian crosswalks? Things like that. Is that something? I know we're talking about a letter separately, but is that something that? Could be like, especially in those intersections. where you talked about that it's more like about car movement. And they're already doing work there. Is there the consideration of adding on? Any works? I know. To paint. Yeah, an update. I think. Well, Ben can speak on that because a lot of times that comes with. you know city striping process it, for example. and that's where a lot of that work and coordination comes into play. In this grant we are going to be buffering it quite a bit. and we're hoping to be quite. quite. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. Yeah, I think that's the thing that we're going to be. I think that's the thing that we're going to be. I think that's the thing that we're going to be. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. I think that's the thing that we're going to be doing. the buffer and we've learned in our grants in the past that . We haven't requested enough contingency. And so we might be going overboard this this year. And there at this time around that fields. Or money to play with some back end. Yeah. Do you have any examples of if it was to get to that point? What those facilities could look like? It would just be like a crosswalk, especially for like American Way and River Road. Yeah. So I guess my two cents on this is that. Reserve Street is tough. Like, yes, we like to co, you know, do other improvements when we're doing something. Reserve Street has a MET has pretty much soul say over what does or doesn't happen on that. And what they would look at is that with the speeds and volumes and number of lanes, we would need more enhancement than just a marked crosswalk. And so they would probably and they would say that the number of people crossing today does not justify the expense of putting in signal cross, you know, push button stuff for people to cross. And while we can argue philosophically that they don't build bridges based on the amount of cars that are trying to drive across a river. Similarly, we shouldn't be enhancing crosswalks based on the number of people that don't feel safe crossing it today . It's a heavier lift on reserve street because it is a national highway that does not really have a parallel route . And so. Long way to say that, like, we will push for pedestrian improvements, but those might not come with this project. It'll be up to MDT. So that I hold an email thread. For the quick build intersections, essentially it's going to look like a concrete median with plastic bollards placed on top. And it's going to be placed and designed in a way that will not allow for direct east west through travel or making that left turn, which is pretty simple to do. They usually look like a bit of an S shape just working with. Yeah, the curvature of the road and the approaching lanes on either direction. Whereas the get the left in would have sort of an opening to make that left turn, but we cut off that east and west travel across the corridor. I have an email thread of some examples, but my outlooks search always is something that takes up a significant portion of my work time. I'm 404. Know what you mean. Yeah. All right. Well, that makes sense. Do we have any other questions for Charlotte? So when is this due? Tuesday or something? We're going to be submitting our grant probably next Monday . It's closing midday Tuesday. We would very much appreciate a letter of support always looks great. I totally understand if there is. Concern or whatever about our grant application, because it is not the most bike head focused. But you know our goal was we want to or sort of through the stipulations with the grant prioritize those highest fatal and serious injury crash locations and work with that million dollar, million and a quarter cap that we have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I can see this being something that anything to improve reserve and to get some attention on reserve seems to. We definitely need it. We definitely need it. The crossing at Homewood Suites. I think that's something that is certainly a part of our our purview as a as a pedestrian that's tried to cross there. That's terrifying. So yeah, that's a that's a good one. That's definitely what's that? You live so I live. I live. I live. Tell the tale. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Put me on the the plus one of people who have tried to cross and that would like to see improvement. Yeah. But yeah, I think that we've we've supported this in the past with the weather and speaking for myself. I will speak for anybody else and believe that we could do that again. So Ben, do you want us to hold off on discussing the letter until later on 7.2? No, I think it's a fine time to do it. Then we'll come back to my discussion. I just wanted to, like I said, separate them on the agenda so that people knew that there was a presentation that Charlie was giving and then discussion with a presumed vote by the board after that. Perfect. Charlie, do you have something you can share with us as far as what I mean? You don't have a draft with the grant itself, but of the of the plan that goes with it. Um, it's a link to the power right? Uh, you know the in the agenda, the link went to the letter . Um, yeah, I don't have I did not send my PowerPoint in, but . Fortunately, I've been working hard on our draft of our grant. Um, not fully completed yet. Um. But yeah, I'm just thinking it helps me anyway to be specific on what I'm writing. Like for example, an American way. Yeah, I can send to Ben for you guys to work. I mean the example sort of outline letter is there, but I could send to Ben, um, like sort of our scope with descriptive text. Um. That we can. That we can. That you all. With I kind of just like wrote this as a draft on your own behalf as we have for other boards, but seems like you all may be interested in. You know, customizing your writing on your own. Like by yourself. Well, since it is a pretty quick turnaround. Um. I think it makes the most sense to try to give this a to read. Maybe we'll give this a read and then put on what it is today so that you can have your letter of support. Uh, would you like to do a, uh, out loud read or does everybody feel okay reading this? It's themselves. Think about it. Alright. Unless you wanna read that out. Hopefully it's not typos. I've been writing a lot, so I feel like my precision has, has waved. That's alright. That's alright. Alright. We, we aren't running to the Secretary of Transportation. Yeah, we, that's sort of how the, the support does. The letters of support are supposed to be addressed. Um. I wish it was in course. I mean, but. But, but just, you know, for example, the. One way, run in support of the UDC or whatever like that. It was, it was pretty broad, but it was, you know, we're talking specifically. The letter was to city council. I think or something like that. The mayor. And I think the last time we supported this grant application. It was also to city council. I believe saying that we supported the application. Is that right? And I think you drafted that one. I did. Yeah, but this is actually going with the. Yeah, so this would be an attachment in our grant. and they've all, they're all ways oriented. or directed to the Secretary of Transportation. At least in my experience. And in our circumstance. Public Works Committee has approved. through a resolution that I took to them. last week that. We can apply for this. So this would be essentially supporting the application. on you all's behalf, not. request to the city. Alright, it is 5:41. Let's take until 5:44 to read this letter. and prepare any notes. Anybody has any so reconvene at 5:44. We can apply for this letter. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody still reading? Don't rush anyone. Okay. Come back a minute early. The only, so let's keep our comments on this to anything that makes this a hard no or anything that stands out. I don't think we need to spend too much time getting into broad strokes to try to make this a stronger letter. We want to try to keep this on pretty fast timeline. Does anybody have any thoughts? Opening up to the room. Yes, Olivia? First off, what is this? An encouraging set? Is that supposed to be encouraging stuff? One of those typos that I was nervous about might be included, given I've written 15,000 more into this week. My second thing is at the bottom. It says, please feel free to contact me. I'm wondering who or when it would be contacted because technically we're not even supposed to email about things outside of the meetings and stuff. So is someone actually able to contact? someone with follow up questions? I guess I wasn't thinking about that. contact that is leaving their name and number and or email. But in this circumstance, maybe that is not necessarily the case. Yeah, I don't know if we'd even like be able to. I don't know. James is pretty good. When the secretary of transportation calls, can you handle it? What's up, John? This is James. Yeah, I think that we would be in this case, we would just would not be able to discuss it outside of the board. So if they did have questions, we'd have to bring those questions back to the board. That's yeah, my point. So yeah, yeah. So I would be OK with that. I guess. Would that need to be somebody with a city email? A city, a city phone, a city email, Ben, do we have a city contact? For the board, like a. Dummy inbox. I. Gee, that's a good question. We've talked about setting one up before and it's been really hard to do. I'll get with Sarah and think about that. My sense would be just to leave something like that off and just say we support, you know, we support this. Deal with that. Yep. So Charlie, do you have the original of this letter? Yeah, I can. Send that through. I don't know if I need to do that now or if I can do that. Yeah, I think that if you can make those two changes. Yeah. And then. This this would get the bad. This would get the letterhead treatment, right? Perfect. OK, any other comments? In the room, you did. I would. Yes, it would get letter treatment and I would get that over to you to sign digitally. You know, Sarah would send it for you to sign digitally and we could get it to Charlie and he would include it in the application. Excellent. Kind of a comment now. I know I'm a little bit new here, not experienced through all this, so I might laugh. But with this letter and again, I don't know I'm too much experience with this, but. I kind of don't like how vague it is like I know it says exactly what street it targets and says it will prove safety and stuff, but doesn't say actually what will be changed about it. It's kind of just a general we're going to do things that will make it safer, like 20% stuff like that. Right. That's an interesting point. I would take that to the specifics being included in the grant. So this letter supports the grant and then the grant contains the information. Right. Yeah, we. So this would be part of a packet containing the presentation that we just saw. So this is not that I've been told this rule, but generally the letters of support you want to keep them at about a page and they are very useful. In our grant applications, but they're an attachment and we try to have as many as possible really covering all over boards committees, then like key stakeholders and as many we can get from. You know, local supporters members of the public. They're all attached in a big long PDF and so it's hard to say how much they're really looking at and reading them word for word other than saying, OK, they've got one from their city council. They've got one from MDT. They've got one from all of these important committees that reflects a very broad support. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. OK, and there has been a public involvement process through the whole. The whole reserve corridor. Yeah. And so all of that, I mean, you can summarize all of that, but then it kind of comes back to what could we see the grant application work? We will create G-TAC and summarize it in this letter and that's well known John. That's not the point. We're we're writing for. That we we've we've seen and been involved in in this in the. Preserve Street Sam and other things and we've been informed along the way, so I I don't see anything that says . To your point of is this a yes or no? I think you know I personally support the letter of support for the grant that 's been put together. Without a lot of detail in terms of. The bollard should be yellow instead of green or something like that right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only thing I do think is is we might be claiming a bit much. The funding will save lives, reduce serious injuries. Is there another? The funding. Objectively objective. The funding is to. In the in the proposal, the. Mitigation strategies and the changes do have. Percentages of crash reduction. That will so I would say that since there's a range that we 're covered, we're not guaranteeing that it's going to be a 43% crash reduction. The reciting that it should be a 5% to 43% or you know those are all contained in there. It's probably comes right out of something that say it said in the. Executive summary of the grant application to right, Charlie? I mean. You want to end with something like this. Yeah, yeah. OK, any other comments? Questions, concerns? Would. Can emotion to support this letter of support. Second. Or did you make a motion or you wanted someone to make motion? No, no. I did not make a motion. Oh. But I was saying I'd entertain it. If somebody would like. I will make a motion to support this letter. All right. And I can second that motion. Yeah, awesome. Let's put it to a voice vote. All in favor of supporting the letter of support. Say aye. Aye. All opposed say nay. Charlie, we have your support with the changes that we suggested. Which had just been. Perfect. All right. So we'll get. A final review from when you have a letterhead version. to get over whatever. Okay. Is this this that is? That would be it, right? We can. Well, we can send around a final. A final letter. We still have time. It's not until the 26th that it's due, but it would be more of an FYI. We've supported the amended changes. Excellent. It just seems to make a nice way to close it when we actually have seen the final letter. And we can discuss by email. I don't know. We're not supposed to. We. There will be no further discussion of the letter of support. We can throw a little. A little party for it saying. Yeah. Let's get it. Let's get it signed. Charlie. Thanks so much. Thank you. Feel free to hang out. Like you're doing business. All right. Off we go. Enjoy our. Wonderful award winning state facilities. Yeah. We got a new one being installed under Higgins Bridge on June 4th. You know what that is? Oh yeah. Two. Two doors on down. Okay. Very close. If you go out here and turn left, you'll see it. Just another door down on the left here. Yeah. If you get to the Mar Bar, you've gone too far, but you'll still have a good time. All right. Yeah. Well, I may seem like an ordinary civilian. I've spent like the last two and a half years of my life learning about transportation. So the major industry that do you want to go in specifically the design and planning part of it? Cool. It's my first time attending media like this. So it's very exciting. Nice. I think that's my big big dream for the city of Missoula. It might. It might. I might get laughed at and that's perfectly fine. And actually good tram system. But a focus on pedestrians and cyclists. That would be nice. All right. Now I've gone and shut the agenda. Sorry. Oh, no, I just did it. That was a critical mistake. But we'll see if we need to do any more. I was like tiny. Yeah. Yeah. OK. But moving on to Ben, this will come back to you for the bicycle pedestrian program overview. Yeah. Thanks. I thanks James. I will try to keep this brief just so we can get into our next item. But I was just at the National Association of City Transportation Officials Designing Cities Conference in Minneapolis. It was very inspiring. I'm just going to share a couple photos quick. And so you guys can see some of this here is an example of one of their downtown protected bike lanes. It's between the sidewalk and the curb. They this was at a talk where they were demonstrating the capabilities of their signal cabinets and we were all looking all us transportation nerds were looking on. Enthusiastically. They do have scooter shares. These are limes. We got free access to lime bikes and scooters for the week. And that was a neat part in and of itself. I got to ride a lot. It was very cool. I wouldn't have seen as much of the city if I didn't have that access. But I came away thinking. Many more ambivalent thoughts about shared micromobility. I think that it was super helpful. It was a useful tool. It largely wasn't in the way. I didn't see it blocking sidewalks too much or curb ramps especially. It wasn't anywhere near there. But they were kind of strewn about. They weren't in. It was always kind of a weird sight to see like a pile of them somewhere. I use pile very loosely. They were standing upright. But it always was a little bit odd. And I looked at the amount that I had racked up. And it would have been like if I had had to pay for the rides, it would have been like $250 in a week of getting around. And so it was like the equivalent of joyriding an Uber essentially. And in a city, sure, that's better than driving. It would have been trips that I wouldn't have taken otherwise. It would be cheaper if I had had, you know, an annual membership. But the sorts of people that might benefit the most from that annual membership probably don't have the $120 up front to pay for that. And so I think the equity piece of these is kind of either overstated or misaligned with how people really use them. And that's something that would need to be kind of considered a little bit more. There might not be the most equitable tool. Took a tour of their sign shop. And here's something they did that was really neat. Streets that had bike lanes on them. They put a little bike on the street sign so that when you were crossing, you would know even as a visitor. Oh, this street has a bike lane. I can go get in it because sometimes, especially a big street, you can't always see what the other side looks like over by the curb. And so but this you'd see the street sign and see the bike and and be able to understand that. Here's an example in person. You know, that is pretty clear. Like, hey, this cross street has a bike lane on it. What else? And while we were touring their shop, you had to see all their equipment that plows bike lanes. They have different vehicles for different bike lanes, sweepers and plows that carry brine in the back for putting down afterwards. A little K truck with a plow on it was pretty neat. And this is their map of their plow route and these different colors on here is a little tough to see. But they represent the different equipment. And so there are different bike lanes in different parts of town that are appropriate for the different pieces of equipment they have. So that was pretty neat. One of the one of the inspiring things is that they didn't just know this immediately. This is through years of trial and error and just figuring out. And so they jumped into these things without knowing that they weren't going to get it right immediately and just said, hey, this is important to the community and we'll we 'll figure it out. And so there was a get to yes attitude shared among all their staff that was really neat to see. So what else went on a disco ride here is the DJ. There's a e-bike towing this trailer that a DJ is sitting on and actively spinning. There were probably 60 of us on the ride and they had marsh als that were leapfrogging and closing every intersection as we went through them. That was pretty cool. Let's see. I went to a presentation on intersection design and how to do it better. There were, of course, vendors from various like devices and pieces. This is one that they make the tactile warnings at intersections. They had a little Lego booth set up showing all the different ways that they can be used. So you have the domes when you get to an intersection to warn you that you're about to cross a conflict area with vehicles. These yellow ones, we have these in some places in town that are longitudinal markings to kind of direct the way that you're going. And there's this new tactile device. It's kind of a raised trapezoid that is for use between a bike lane and sidewalk when you when those facilities are co-located. So think of like Russell Street where the bike lane is kind of near the sidewalk now. North Russell, that would be. But you're up on the curb. That would be an example where something like this could be used. So that was pretty neat. Saw some live music while I was there. Saw how they were building their traffic circles. This was a smaller intersection than ours, but a much smaller circle. So this distance at the throat was about the same as ours, and it seemed to work fine. So again, there was a lot of info, a lot of kind of how projects are managed, how things are funded. It was really nice to know that even the like these bigger cities that are investing a ton in the last decade and and doing really cool things at a scale that we can't fathom. It when you get right down to it, we're doing things as well or better than than anyone anywhere in the country. And so that is both encouraging and discouraging. We've just we have the advantage of time that we've been doing it for longer. Some of these other places are really moving the needle much quicker. And so it was it was good to learn from them. Nice to get back here and start jumping into our efforts. What those efforts are is a reminder. We recently adopted the new standards manual. And so that has that goes into effect and will be implemented. We have some quick build projects coming up this year to add traffic calming to the West Side neighborhood and the Slant Streets neighborhoods where we have drafts of what those designs look like. And we'll be bringing those out to the public within the next few weeks. I'm just kind of working through some final comments from fire before we do that, making sure that we're all on the same page with them. And then. Yeah, I guess that's kind of about it there. You know, I'm just getting I got back. I'm just getting back into it today. I'm just getting back into it today. The Reserve Street Grant is our big internal push. And then I'm not for construction this year, but for design this year. We are working on projects to cross Broadway and tool at Burton Street where there's currently that kind of bike crossing the cross bike in the middle of the intersection. And there is a marked crosswalk there, but there in the last five years there have been 23 crashes at that intersection and including a pedestrian fatality. And so we are trying to make that intersection better. We're coming up with designs now. I'll have those to share, you know, some design concepts to share before too long. And then another one is a river road project to get between Russell and Reserve adding sidewalks and bike facilities. We don't have any sort of formal design concept yet, but we did do a walking tour with the neighborhood and with, you know, engineers and things like people, you know, utility stormwater people and some members of the blind and low vision and other disabled folks that helped us understand the And one of the things that we're thinking about there is a complete sidewalk on the south side of River Road and a bi- directional bike facility on the north side of River Road. That would then connect to the trail that goes underneath the Russell Street Bridge directly, kind of provide there's fewer driveways and fewer crossings on that side. It would take up less space and able to be protected better than just conventional bike lanes on street on River Road. So if you're looking at the an idea, we're gonna kind of put pencil to paper in the coming weeks and hopefully have something to share before too long. And then the third project that's in sort of that free sc oping getting ready to think about designs is the Central Avenue Greenway. That is all it goes all the way from really from Big Sky High School to the base of Mount Sentinel at the X apartments. There's different project phases and components. One of those is a sidewalk component between CS Porter and MRL Park. So from reserve to Johnson Street. Another one that is kind of a contender for a first phase would be doing all of the intersections at Bancroft and Central Higgins and Central Stevens and Central Arthur and Central. Another component would be doing the Brook Street crossing as a standalone project. Another component would be doing the reserve street crossing as a standalone that would involve moving the signal that's currently half a block north of that down to Central and having it be user activated and maybe easier to , you know, quicker to respond to pedestrians as well and bicyclists. So there's a big project that's going to be divided into parts. And again, we're trying to scope out what does that look like and which parts get done first. So when I have more information to share, I look forward to bringing that to the board. So I think about, I guess, unless there are any comments or questions on that, I would move into our discussion of the public works project list. I don't see any questions in the room. I don't see any questions online. Let's move right on into the public public works list. Oh, yeah. Oh, I had a question about the public source. Never mind. Okay. Before we get into everything that's on the list, I want to, there were two documents attached. One is a total list of projects. The other is just the city chip seals. And those are the ones that I want to spend more time on. There were the state chip seals and we talked about some of those a couple months ago. We have, I guess I'm starting with an apology that we are not, we did not get our stuff in order in time to make any changes to the state routes that are getting chip sealed. And so those are just getting a restriped as is essentially . We had some staff turnover in our public works department and within engineering, and we were not able to get drawings done in time to send them to MDT to get their approval before that project's going to happen. Some of the changes we had hoped to make were converting the parking on spruce from pull in angle to back in angle or swapping where the bike lane and the parking are so that the bike lane would be closer to the sidewalk and the parking would be out near the travel lane. We again, we just couldn't. MDT declared that that would be an operational change and so would need a full evaluation from their systems impact group and then approval by the Transportation Commission. We just didn't have time to get that done. Another piece we wanted to get done was potentially adding bike lanes to Madison Street. Again, they said that that would even if it just changed parking on one side, that would be an operations change and you know would need that same level of. We just didn't get our stuff in order. So I apologize for that. We thought we had had enough notice to do this in time and just other things came up and this fell behind and then we lost a couple people and we really didn't have time to do it. So that's on me. But where we do have some room is with the city chip seal list. So I guess I would like to get into that. The other piece, Olivia, that I think you might be most interested in with that state list is crosswalks across Higgins down in the south of Paxson School area. Yes, but there was another one that's like not most directly related to me that like the one that I think was going to be by Hellgate High School that was going to kind of like fork in a couple of different places or something like that. Yeah, like really malfunctioning kind of thing. Uh huh. Yeah. So that one we are not going to do because that involves like striping into the street in a way that again, we don't feel comfortable with MDT coming back at us and saying, hey, this wasn't here before. Like that one clearly they would know that it wasn't there. We are going to go out and just stripe the crosswalks at central and at north before they come in and do their chip seal so that their crews just put those crosswalks back across Higgins. Does that make sense down in your area? Yeah, but so the one further north that it's like right by Rock and Rudy's. Yeah, University, Plymouth and Tremont or Florence, maybe that one we're not going to do right now. Okay. That one and like nothing's getting because that one crossing any of the ways is bad, not just crossing across H iggins, but crossing from like Plymouth or because you're on Higgins and then you cross to stay on Higgins and you go past like Plymouth and stuff by like Great Harvest. And no one actually stops the stop signs and you're kind of there's not really a place to stop. And then it's just kind of messy. But that wouldn't then be crosswalk paints or anything. Right. Well, we will. We'll take another look at that after the state comes through their project, because we don't think that they're going to pay attention after they're out of town. Okay. So keep that on my radar. Please maybe send me an email saying so you mean on the west side. I'm going to share my screen here. Yeah, like not even going across Higgins, just going across that little area. Like this ugly mess here. Yeah, that. Yeah. Because you don't really stop at that grassy area to cross across them and people are like pulling further past the stop signs. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, Great Harvest is right down there, too. So people are like pulling out of those parking lots without looking and people are trying to like whip off of H iggins. And it's just it's a mess to cross. Yes. Great Harvest is a couple blocks away. But in that in that area, Great Harvest has another one of those intersections. That's just a little bit smaller at Ford. Oh, yeah. Then maybe there's two that are like that that are just. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, yeah, they it's. Yeah, they're they're. None of them are great. Just as a reminder, we were considering basically something like this. And so we were going to see. Can you guys see this line on here? Yes. So we were going to do this out of like paint and deline ators and then stripe a crosswalk across on the south side of university here. So that basically we'd create this like landing area in here and then a really short crossing of Higgins. And we know that MDT is going to freak out if they see that . So what we're going to do is we're going to let them do their project and get out of here and then we will try and do something to maybe stay out of the Higgins right away. Maybe we bring this in a little bit, but we do something to make these crossings a little bit clearer and understood. Yeah. Marking just a giant crosswalk along the front of this curb does not seem like a great idea. And so we would, even though it's a little bit out of the way, we'd probably come across here and then across here. Which makes the most sense for pedestrians. A biker going south on Higgins wouldn't have a problem just continuing along Higgins. They wouldn't. In a world of unlimited funding, we would put green paint through this large conflict area, you know, so that it was very clear that that was a bike space. I actually wonder if what I'm thinking of might be further south by the dentist and Great Harvest and everything. Here's Slant Street and Great Harvest. Okay. Maybe not. Go north just a slight bit. No. Okay. It must have been. That must have been what I was thinking. Yeah. This is the one where it's super wide. Yeah. Do you want to see it on the ground? Sure. Oh, what a mess. Here. Yeah. Now turn back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It's that. Yeah. So see, it's this long thing. So yeah, from a, again, if we shorten, if we make clear crosswalks for pedestrians here, I think that'll help a little bit. And then, yeah, maybe we just dash out the bike lane through there. I'll get with Chad. I think the only thing with that, and I think, because now that I'm looking at the ground, because I was like, why does that seem wonky too? But the stop sign is super far up compared to where you would then just paint the crosswalk. So I don't know if you're able to just move a stop sign back. But if you like go just like slightly north again, so that we can see it, if you, because where the street would cross, the stop sign is like way past it. Way back here. Yeah. That needs to move back here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because that's the thing. When you try to cross, even if you're trying to do the two crosses, people aren't stopping because you're walking, like they don't, they don't stop at stop signs anyway, but you're crossing before they even get to that stop sign. Yep. Yep. Good catch. Thanks, Olivia. Yeah. Do you mind just shooting me an email? I will do that right now. Otherwise, I will never remember. Great. Just says like Higgins University Plymouth Tremont. Higgins University Plymouth Tremont. Stop sign and crosswalks. And then I will know what to do from there. Cool. Sent it right now. Thank you. So, yeah. Moving on to the list of city chip seals. Unless there's other questions about other projects on the larger list. Yeah, quick question, Ben. Is there like an ideal timeline for submitting this? Just thinking in terms of next year, if we were to keep this on our radar as a bike pad board, prioritizing these conversations earlier in the year, is there like a process by which we could be better set up for it? I know that there was some turnover that you cited, but is there anything on our end that we can do to help support this project workflow on the state level sooner? Like get it all done by March type of deal? The state one ideally should have been done last fall for the way that their timeline works. And we potentially had that notice. We just did not. We had too much other stuff going on and this slipped through the cracks. The city stuff, I have been trying to get my colleagues to get me this info earlier. This spreadsheet that you're seeing just got changed kind of significantly between last month and this month and got sent to me last week. And so. Did you share your screen, Ben? Yeah. It's attached to the agenda. It's in PDF form. So it's a little bit hard to read. And I'll call up the map and kind of show where we're at in these things. But it is. Where is my. Here we go. So the first handful are the only ones that are streets that would have bike facilities on them. And so I just wanted to kind of talk through these. So one is Stevens between Brooks. And. Central, not even all the way to Sussex, not even all the way to South Ave. So it would come from this side of Sussex, north of the crosswalk and island here, and then go up to. Brooks. And right now there's bike lanes on Stevens north of here. They don't quite get you through the intersection. But the idea is that we'd be able to continue them this way . And we should be able to do that without removing parking. Yes. So that one should be sort of a no brainer. England has bike lanes. So I'm going to move down the list unless there are specific questions or. So stop me if if you have comments or questions. This section of England already has bike lanes. We added them last year following the. Kind of pavement project there. Now we're going to come in and chip seal it and kind of preserve that pavement as best we can. North fifth. Already has bike lanes. This is between Orange and Warden. Our bike route here. I'm going to come up this way. So we have bike lanes. Buffered bike lanes even that come off of the. The roundabout. Here we'll drive. This way. You can see there's a double line here for the buffer. We keep driving. We come around the corner. We still have buffered bike lanes. And then we get to this intersection. And then we get to this intersection where parking becomes really more important on this block. And so we are steering bike riders. And steering is I use very liberally. We have nothing that says this other than our maps. Up. Tenant Street here. Where you have a trail connection. Right here. That goes around this apartment building. And pops out onto. North sixth street. And so then. North sixth is neighborhood greenway. And you come back up to Warden. Where bike lanes are picked back up again. And. Continue north. To Turner. Where. You have bike lanes all the way out to Scott Street. And so. That connection is getting chip sealed. And so we're just planning to put that back as is. One that is worth talking about is Wyoming. All the way between Russell and Orange. Again that today has bike lanes. But there's a two block section that has pull in angled parking with the bike lanes behind them. And this is a design that is really discouraged by all of the design manuals. And so my thought here is that we have an opportunity. If this is all getting chip sealed. We have the opportunity to convert this to back in angled parking. Curious what the board thinks of that. Converted to back in angled park. So you can see where you're going to hit. Yeah. Where you back into them. I'm for it. Especially since it's so close to the ballpark. A lot. And it's just a growing area. A lot of students. And I think that that's a good project. In my mind. I have been having some interesting experiences. With back in angled parking. On. Maybe it's Kent Street. I've done some work with Treasure State Studios. Over by the old women's club. And back in angled parking. Right there. Near the. There's a thrift store. And a business. Right here. Yes. Yes. Yes. And it's. It's been interesting to see. So. Back in angled parking. Are you only supposed to back in. On your side of the street? Or can you swing. Like a full. 270 plus. Like a 300. Yeah. It's. You're. You're. If you're going west on Kent. But you want to park on the. South side of it. Right. Do you have those directions correctly? Yep. Then. Right here. In front of Bitterroot. So let's say you're going. West on Kent. And you want to park in front of Bitterroot Bouncers. Can you back in? Is that a legal maneuver? Back in around this way? I. I don't think so. The same way that it's not legal to. Pull head in across the street. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Like if this was head in parking. And you were eastbound. Or you were westbound. And it was head in. You wouldn't be able to. Like do a U-turn. And pull in head in wise. You know. Yeah. Now Kent is a low volume enough street. That no one's. Pulling you over for it. And your risk level is really low. But on a street like Wyoming. That's busier. And you know. A little faster. That's a bigger deal. Yeah. I'm curious. About the mechanics of it. For thinking about myself. I would just avoid ever parking in those places. And probably wouldn't. But it just sounds. Difficult. To park that way. I was going to ask. Is like. It feels like. It's also not safe. But I can't. Quite figure out why. Yeah. It feels like the parking itself. Would be the. Sticking point. The. I don't know. Is it. Can people handle that? They. They can't even. They can't. They can't. They can't handle anything. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good question. And one that. You know. As it becomes more common. Hopefully people get better at it. The. The big difference. Is that you're not backing out. Having to look over your shoulder. Through your car. At someone biking behind you. Yeah. That totally makes sense. But as far as like. The getting into it. Well. Will they not accidentally hit people doing that? So what I've noticed in this area. Is getting into it. The. Whatever's going on around you. You're more likely to see it. So a cyclist. Coming up behind you. I would. Put in the same amount of awareness. As like opening your door. Into a cyclist. If you're the person that's going to back into a cyclist. Doing this maneuver. You're the same person that's going to open a door. On a cyclist. In a bike lane. The car behind you. Is the one that I think needs the most. Awareness. But it puts all of the burden. On navigation. In the arrival and parking. And then when it's time to leave. It's a much safer. Maneuver. So I like that. It puts all of the risky business. Up front. And then when the person's leaving. Like Ben said. You're not looking over your shoulder. Through the through a car. At somebody who's cooking down the bike lane. So I would love to see that on spruce. I would love to see this on Wyoming too. Just based on how it's worked here. Here. Do people actually back in. Or do most of them pull in? Yeah. You get a little bit of a. I'd say mostly. They back in. Okay. Mostly. Do you keep up all the rules on back in only? Like if it is back in only. Will people still pull in? It does happen. It does happen. They do. So here's some. Here's some back in on Sherwood. By Lowell Elementary. And notice all four of these cars have pulled in. And if you go out there. I'd say it's about 50. Yeah. There's one that's backed in. But see. They pull in. I have to be honest. I don't think I would have known. Like if I came across them. I don't think I would have known. That they were supposed to be back in. I think I would have been like. Wow. I have to make a really wide turn. To pull into this. That's funny. Yeah. There are signs that show back in. That say back in parking. Yeah. People don't look at stop signs though. So. Yeah. Yeah. The placement of that sign. It's like. In the one place. That you are absolutely not parking. So I think on Kent. They have the back in parking. At the. On the. I think it's on the street. As you're driving. Into that block. There's a sign that says back in. Parking only. This sign here shows you exactly how to do it. Yeah. Is there any way to like. Mark it specifically in the spaces or something? Because I don't think people look at signs. Especially not at small ones. After they've already parked. Who is going to like walk past it. And go. Oh whoops. And then fix it. That's a good. That's a good question. The parking commission. Enforces this. So they get great compliance here. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Ben was there ever consideration. And back to the Wyoming street. Is it. Was there ever. Consideration of doing. What we had. Talked about. A minute ago. On spruce. Which is putting the. Curving the bike lane. Inside. Towards the. Sidewalk. Potentially. I think it would result in the loss. Of quite a few spaces. Just because we have these. We're not going to rip. Rip out these bulb outs. And redo them. And so you can have. Then swing your bike lane. There's a couple on either end. Yeah. And so. I can. We can look into it for sure. Yeah. I was just curious. Yeah. So I'm waiting for south. On the north side of. Sentinel high school. To be switched around. Because I ride along there. That's the place that is terrible. Bull in. Yeah. All of that's a mess. And when it gets anywhere. When there's any. Any changes of classes or anything. Students just whip in. Any direction they can find. And reverse out. I think I yelled at by a pedestrian. For riding in the bike lane. Because. Yeah. We just recently switched. The parking over here. At this dentist's office. See it was perpendicular. And people pull out. They back out across the double yellow. Right as people are coming around this. Or coming out of the roundabout. And that was dangerous. Now we made this. It's pull in angle parking. And. The dentist. The people who work here. Love it. But say that their. Their clientele is taking a little bit. To get used to it. Um. All right. So generally supportive. Of looking at. That at Wyoming. But maybe. Asking us to explore. Swapping where the parking. And bike lane is. Also. Yeah. Okay. Good feedback. I wonder too. Go ahead. Because like. I know that Missoula in motion. Has like radio ads. About like. You know. How every crosswalk. Even if it's not painted as a crosswalk. If they had like. The kind of PSA things. About like. Back in parking. Um. So people are like. On the lookout for it. Because. I. There's a lot of spots that I. And I always try to follow rules. And stuff that I wouldn't even know. Yeah. Unless everybody around me is doing it. So just kind of like. Hey. Here's some information about it. Just know that like. This is around town. This might make some of you. See more around town. Here's why. That is a great idea. Thank you. That. Yeah. And you know. As we're. As we're talking about it. I would actually. Um. Advocate against. That Wyoming. Having the bike lane. Swing around that. That baller. Just. I used to bike down there. All the time. Uh. And it. If the bike lane is going. Constantly swooping. It would remind me of what goes on. With the bike lane over here on. Uh. North Higgins. Where it's going up onto the sidewalk. And then out onto the street. And I feel like it would just. Slow down the. The bike route. Okay. So. So much. And. Exit or re-entering. Sort of the traffic. It is slow as. Yeah. That's a bad. That's a bad. No matter what it is. Okay. So then you'd be like. Popping out around the baller. As somebody's coming out from. You know. It used to be. Can't be coming out from like. Boxcar. Bistro. Couple bottles of wine. You know. Whatever. Yeah. Okay. Well then they just shouldn't be driving at all. But. Thought you meant biking. Um. Clark Fork Lane. Between Union Pacific and Mullen. This already has. Bike lanes. So we're not proposing any changes. That is. Out Mullen Road here. That is this street. Um. Let's see. If street view. Shows what it looks like. Yeah. Here we have bike lanes. Um. As you come into. These. These apartment areas. Um. Next. Next. Next. Is. North Ave. Between Russell. And Garfield. Um. This is one that the board before. Has. Uh. Said. Um. It's not. Um. It's not. Well. How should I say this. This is not proposed for bike lanes. Um. The board has concurred in the past. Our bike facilities master plan. Uh. Doesn't have bike facilities on the street. Even though there is a signal at Russell. Which allows you to get across. We're really trying to focus on the. Kent Central Greenway connection through here. That's why we built the trail over the railroad tracks. And. Um. Have the new. Push button. Beacon behind Tremper's there. The idea that you're just off the street. Um. And then using the Bitterroot Trail to go north and south. So Central is our. Kind of parallel facility for now. North have in this location. Uh. And so we're not currently planning to stripe bike lanes. In this block. It would require parking removal. It's. Uh. There's. It's also. There's not a ton of on-street parking in these first couple blocks. It's more west of the. Um. Tracks. Because there are driveways here on the north side. But it just didn't seem. The bang didn't seem worth the buck on that one. Curious if people have other thoughts though. Well that's what winds up. Like. Actually intersecting. If you go. Past like the post office. And the hardware store. And you keep. Going west on. North. Um. It's the one that will link you up with the bitter root trail. Isn't it? From central. Is. If you keep going. Once that like light is installed. And whatever. Will you be able to like. Get on to. That. Like rail link area. Without going on to north. Yeah. We have a trail already. This trail connection is here. Okay. Um. If you haven't been through here. I highly recommend it. It's a great way to get to and from. Yeah. Is that new? Uh. Probably five years old. Six years old. Oh. Um. Yeah. It's a great way to get across town. It's kind of what we built the central greenway around. Was the fact that. MRL granted us this trail connection here. So. And then there's this trail that goes through the park. And then wide crosswalks here. And then you're on the central ave. Low volume local street. You come to reserve. And again. There's this signal right here. That doesn't really help anything. Because this isn't even an entry to porter anymore. And so we want to move that down to here. And so you can just. Push a button. Go straight across. And you go all the way to big sky high. And then when you go up to Kent. Again. Our plan is to. There's a design. Even in the brook street bus plan. That has a signalized crossing for bikes and peds. Right here. At regent. And so the idea is that you would. Be on Kent. You'd come down region. You'd then get on central. And then be able to go all the way. You'd go past. Lions Park. Washington Middle. There's bus stops. At Higgins. And at Arthur. At central. And you'd get all the way. To the base of Sentinel. Here at student housing. Whereas North Ave. Like yes. That signal is nice. But when you head east. You just intersect with the post office. And we're never getting through that. You know. Yeah. I would support. Striking North Ave. Off the list. Okay. Next one. That we. Need some discussion. Is. And the only. Remaining one. I think. That needs some discussion. Well. Not entirely true. But the. Is Stevens. Between. Patty Creek. And. Southwest Higgins. So that is. Right here. That's where. High Park Way. Comes down the hill. There's a signal. At Southwest Higgins. Here. And then you have. Stevens Ave. That goes up. To Playfair Park. And Splash Montana. And so this. Again. Our planning documents. Call for. This. Half mile. Or so. To get bike lanes. It would. Excuse me. It would require. Parking removal. From one side of the street. Can you street view us. On that one. Yep. It's a lot of multifamily housing. Okay. There is. A fairly significant. Crash history. On the street. Not severity. But just a lot of crashes. There's a little jog in it. The sidewalks are incomplete. The parking is kind of heavily utilized. Especially. When there are. Like Little League is. At the stadium. You know. Is playing here. I think that could be. A really good. Through street. To get. Because like. Say you want to get. From like. You know. The university district. To. Like Russell. And stuff. I have considered. Biking that way before. But yeah. It is pretty narrow. And bendy. And it does. Kind of suck. So it never feels worth it. So I am just like. You know what. Fine. I'm just going to go. On Southwest Higgins. Because at least. There's a bike lane. And whatever. So I feel like. With work. That could actually be. A really good. Way of getting. To some of those places. But yeah. Now I avoid it. Because I'm like. Well. It's not. So I'll take. The higher volume. Faster. Because at least. There's bike lanes. At least there's bike lanes. Okay. Yeah. That would. That would argue. For putting bike lanes. On Stevens here. Yes. That's what I'm saying. I think there should be. Yeah. But it would be a lot of parking. Yeah. With that. Yeah. It is multifamily. Yeah. Units. But. But I mean. It also is. It's the way to go. If you're going to get to. Splash Montana. Or to pay for. Play for. For them. Our Sentinel High School. It from the North Hills. From the South Hills there. And the YMCA is right over there. Like there's a lot of. Different places that like. The kids wanted a route to go. Places. Yeah. If that was a better. There's a sheriff's on that street. Right now. I don't think so. There's nothing on it right now. Um. One thing to consider is that. All these offsetting T intersections. You know. You're not supposed to park. In between. Like this distance. On either side of the street. But they do. And then. Same thing over here. You know. So like. It would really only be eliminating. A couple parking spaces. In these. Offsetting T. And where driveways are. I'd. I'd have to do the math. And see. But like. All of these parked cars. Right there. Are illegally parked. Does the. When the painting. And the striping. All that happens. Does the yellow. On the curbs. Of like. You cannot park here. Get repainted. Yes. Because so much of that. In town. Is wearing away everywhere. And even though. You can see. That it was faintly there. People just ignore it. And they park. In places that like. It's so dangerous. For everyone involved. Yep. We try and refresh it. And let us know. Where it needs. To go. And. When people are in violation. It's a 911 call. Hmm. Unless it's within. Unless it's within. The parking commission. Boundary. And then. The parking commission. Enforces it. How do you know that? How do you know. If you're in the parking. Commission boundary? Yeah. They're basically. Only downtown. It's what? Downtown. Downtown. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. So. I'm hearing that. That is a. Valuable connection. That you want to see. Made. It could be. And right now. It's not. But it could be. A really good. Connection. Okay. Yes. Bancroft. Between Brooks and Central. Already has bike lanes. We're not proposing. Any changes there. That. Presumably. Works for. A lot of people. Again. We're stopping. North of Washington. Middle. North of the crosswalk. Even here. So just. This section. Up Bancroft. And. Around the corner here. So about a quarter mile. This configuration. Is currently parking. On the residential side. No parking. On the business. And park side. Is this. Used by people. Useful. I use it. I use it. Okay. That's two people. Next. Coming here. And. She was. She was. She was. She was. She was. She was. She was. She was. She was. North of South. Time. The next one. That's pretty interesting. Is. Garland. Clearview. From 23rd to Hillview. Does anyone. Before I go on the map. Does anyone know where this is? Has anyone been on this street before? The hill? It's kind of like. Off. Southwest. Higgins. In like that. 39th street area. Maybe. Kind of. So. It goes. This is Hillview Way. It goes up to the top. It starts at the top of Hillview Way here. Where there's new. Oh. No. I have lights up there. It's like up past. Chief Charlo Elementary. Right? It's. Chief Charlo is just up. Up the hill. A little bit further. So just down the hill. Okay. And then. You come here. Here's Clearview. And it looks. Almost like a. Like a very distinct. Kind of 80s. Subdivision. Sort of vibe. It's a wide street. There's this little traffic calming feature on it. But there's no bike lanes. It's never had enough volume. Even though it goes. I'm going to zoom back out again. So it comes down the hill. It has these little cul-de-sacs off of it. Then it turns into Garland. And then Garland intersects the 23rd. Right at a bus stop. And then. 23rd of course. Comes. And there's a signal. At 39th. And so. It's a great way down the hill. An alternative way down the hill. If you live. Like in the Chief Charlo area. Especially as this. New development comes online. And so it's. Technically a collector street. Or a community residential street. Which would suggest. That it should have bike lanes. We need to kind of keep it. Somewhat clear for fire. Is my understanding. But. It does not actually have the volumes. Yet to. Kind of dictate bike facilities. And. It's pretty steep downhill. So. I'm not sure. This isn't one that I'm excited. To try and go to this neighborhood. And ask to pull parking about. To put bike lanes on. Doesn't seem like a high priority to me. Again. I'm curious what the board thinks about this one. Is it a high volume? Yeah. I would say it's not worth it. In my opinion. It's a big wide street. I don't think it's very high volume. Yeah. I will. I will attest that. As I've. But when I've. Biked down there. I've definitely taken. Liberties. With how much of the road I use up. And. Would not stick to a bike lane. If there was one there. Okay. And I generally find that. Going downhill. It's easy to keep pace with the cars. I guess going uphill. Would that be. That's good. Would that be worth the conversation? I think it's possible to add. It's wide enough. That we could add an uphill bike lane. Shower the downhill. And not change parking at all. Yeah. It. Do you. I mean. It would be. Need to be ahead. Of increased population. For. Yeah. Right. If there are. A lot of units. Going in at the top. And so. Then the downside. Is removing parking. In those. Here it is. Well. Like I said. That's to put bike lanes. On each side. You would need to remove parking. If we were to do. A bike lane. In the uphill. And a shared lane. In the downhill. We could retain all of the parking. I think that's a great way. To. Market. The bike ability. Of that neighborhood. Yeah. That's the other perspective. You know. It's friendly for bikes. As opposed to. You know. This is for cars. Get out of here. Yeah. All right. Well. That is helpful. That is something. That we can look at. For sure. The next ones. That are on the list. That rise to the level. Of needing bike lanes. Already have them. There's the Turner one. On the north side. That I already showed you. Chuck Wagon. This is out. Mullen Road. And I'll show you. That one. Here. Chuck Wagon. Is. You come out. And you got. Flynn Lane. You got George Elmer. And the next big one. Is Chuck Wagon Drive. And. This has. Bike lanes on it. And. You come up. And then you get. Some new development here. Again. Bike lanes. And so we're not proposing. Any changes. We're keeping. Full overgrown. In this picture. But there is. Again. There's marked bike lanes. The entire. Length of it. You hit a roundabout. You hit a roundabout. At some point. You even get the jump out. For the bike facilities. And the. Sharo on entry. You come through. You get. Dropped out of the. Right here. You get dropped back. Into the bike lane. So. You know. These new developments. Are done pretty well. And this is where. This is where the project would end. That was so final. It kind of is. I'm going to go back. And zoom out. So. We are up here. And everything to the north. And west. Is airport. Property. And they are not interested. In any development. Because there potentially. Might be a second runway. In the future. The county was going to get. Some of that land. For the rail trail. That's a little further west. But yeah. There is. That's on the very southern edge. Of the railroad property. And. Or the airport property. Yeah. Kind of remains to be seen. Exactly what that looks like. Yeah. The rest of these then. Are all neighborhood scale streets. Which don't typically rise to. Needing. Bike facilities. Because they don't have the volumes. And speeds that. Those other streets have. If there are any of these. That catch your eye. Let me know. And I'll show you where they are. And if you. You know. There's a reason that you want to. See facilities added. We can certainly discuss them. What about. Oh. Added. Because yeah. It says like. South 3rd Street West. On this. But it's just about adding them. It's not about anything else. Because yeah. That has pretty significant. Stuff. Right. This is the section between. Orange and Higgins. Yeah. And so. And so. And so. The Bernice's section. And this one. The neighborhood. Actually wants us to try. And slow traffic. And. Reduce the amount of people. Using this as a cut through. Instead of. Kind of. Widening it out with bike lanes. And encouraging people to use it. And so. We're working with fire. To see if we can take this off of their list. The volume between Higgins and Orange. Is much. Much. Much lower. Than west of Orange. And so. What we're trying to do. Is get fire. To take it off of their priority route. And then be able to add traffic calming features. Like circles and things in here. To really. Keep this as a neighborhood street. Yeah. Rather than pulling parking. Which is pretty. Premium in this neighborhood. And adding a bike lane. That's another neighborhood. I would not want to go. To talk about removing parking. Yeah. Yeah. Um. So. Yeah. And good eye though. Olivia. Because that is the only. That is the last. Kind of busier street. Somewhat busier street. On there. But. We're trying to deemphasize that one. Rather than. Um. Kind of. Widen it out. Anything else. That anyone sees on here. Uh. Uh. I guess. I guess 34th. 34th. I feel like that's. I think I got a visual of what that is. That's down this way behind the Bancroft ponds. So we're just looking at the section here. Oh yeah. Between Stevens and Russell. Where there's like. Wildflower Park. A bunch of. Uh. Kind of low income housing. Um. Over here. Yeah. No. I'm okay with that. There is bus service on this. Um. On the street parking is pretty highly used. Is that right next to the Albertsons parking lot? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For whatever reason. I feel like I bike back that way. And it's never a problem. Maybe because everybody's. It seems like people go so slow anyway. Because you're coming in. Either to a T intersection at Stevens. Or you're probably going to Albertsons. Or looking to turn. Yeah. I mean you're going to get slowed down by Russell. So. That part. Yeah. That feels fine. Oh. In the Milwaukee way. Between Russell and Catlin. I think I had a question about that. Yep. That's this street right here. Kind of. But here's Vertex. So that is. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. That's. Yeah. Right. That's fine. I actually. This is one of my favorite streets. In town. Yeah. It has. Regular crosswalks. With. Like. Good trees. Nearby. And bulb outs. At the crosswalks. With signage. It curves. So it slows you down. Naturally. The on-street parking. Is pretty well utilized. And really creates a tight feel. It. You know. The density nearby. Is high. But there's visual interest. It's not just like. Monolithic buildings. Um. You got a swimming pool. And. Um. Yeah. Some diversity. Of tree types. And I. I really. This to me. Is a new street. Done pretty well. Pretty wide. I think it's a wider sidewalk. Than. Um. Typical. But meets our new standard. To double check. Maybe it's only five. Love it. Um. No. Yeah. It's a six foot sidewalk. So. Yeah. This is. This is kind of what we want to. This is what we modeled. Our new standards off of. Um. All right. Well. I got a good. Again. In a. A year that we. Had the. April meeting. That we had had our list. A little bit earlier. I would have had a letter. Um. Kind of. Outlaying. Uh. Each of the recommendations. And. Um. Gotten the board to. Sign up on that. And then. Um. Um. But. Now I think this. Kind of head nod. And. And mutual. Uh. Consensus. Um. Is good for me to go on. And I will. Um. Um. With your permission. Kind of draft something in writing. Uh. For James to. Uh. To sign that I share with my coworkers. Just saying the board has seen this. And supports these efforts. Olivia was out of thumbs up. You're kind of frozen. Yeah. I might just not have been moving. But yeah, it was. Okay. She walked. Why the ups and backhand the camera? No comment. I'm frozen. All right. It was really offensive. Great. Okay. So yeah. Ben, you got everything. Everything you need there? I do. And. Uh. Is that something? We'll. You'll. Um. We'll draft a letter. And then. Would we like to review that at the next meeting? Or is that something that we can just take and. Run with it? I'd rather just. Take and run with it. And you know. Uh. I. We had good discussion today. I think I have what I need. For the bones of a. A very broad letter. Saying that you support these efforts. And um. We're going to do what we can. To get those done in time. Again. Normally. I get this full list. Uh. In a better form. We. We've attached one of the last few agendas. This. If you compare the lists. From last month. And this one. It's a bit different. And so. Um. I need to talk to. Our streets department. About not changing these. So late in the game. Because it doesn't give us a ton of. Public outreach time. And time to do drawings. Um. But. So we will do what we can. To get those changes in place. Following the chip seal. And. Um. Yeah. In future years. We will have these discussions. In February or March. So that we have ample time. To. Uh. Write a clean letter. And do more public process around it. Awesome. Unrelated to this. But Bert Lindler sent me. Um. An email about. Signs appearing on the Grand Creek Trail. Saying no e-bikes allowed. And. Um. So I said I might share that with you. Just to the description of it. He was going to ask. What was the process that was gone to. And why were the. The. The. The. The. The signs that may appear. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. E-bikes are allowed on the Grand Creek Trail. So. Um. I think those are. Probably homemade signs. Yeah. Oh yeah. So I. Is there a process for saying no e-bikes allowed in the city that. You would know about? Well the. We. We. E-bikes are. Are. Very much allowed. In. Um. Within ordinance. You know. So that is. They're allowed. By. Like. In. On certain trails. That parks has established. And so. To change that. Parks would have to go to city council. And get a law change. I see. Okay. Well. I'll. I'll review it myself. I may just share it with you. And you can. And. I'll ask Bert. If he wants to pursue it anymore. Yeah. I have a. There's a. A recent. Fatality. Collision. I think in California. Between. Actually I want to say it was an electric motorcycle. Not an e-bike. But a 14 year old. Young operator. Struck and killed an 80 year old veteran. So I thought that that might be. The precursor to. Well. Could heat up the e-bike conversation. So Ben. Is there any way that this board can get ahead of. Advising the city on. E-bike. Is that like an active conversation? That's. That's going on. It is not an active conversation. I just sent an email to. Nathan McLeod at parks today. Saying hey. We might want to revisit this sometime soon. You know. Who should we invite to this conversation? So I think that. That's potentially worth. Bringing up as a discussion item. At a future meeting here. Yep. Okay. I think. Yeah. Because the nature of e-bikes have changed a lot. From. You know. The class one sort of. Just. Pebble assist device. To the. Full on motorcycle. That you. That you see. Zooming down. The route. Trail at 40 miles an hour. Right. Yeah. And those are not supposed to be allowed. You know. Because we defined. The class one. Two and three. Class one and two. Are. Allowed. Wherever. Bikes are. With the exception of. Natural surface. Single track trails. So they are allowed. On the. You know. What is defined. As an e-bike. A class one and two e-bike. Is allowed on. Grant Creek Trail. Are they allowed on sidewalks? Because I have seen a bunch of. Yeah. Like teenagers. Ripping them on sidewalks lately. Small. Narrow sidewalks. Yeah. They technically are. Because the state allows bikes on sidewalks. And we can't. We can't enforce that. We can't enforce it. Without. Like. Major signage. Everywhere. They're supposed to be under. Human propulsion only. While on the sidewalk. But. Who's. How is that enforced. You know. Right. Okay. Let's. Bring e-bikes. Into a. Future meeting. I feel like there's. Enough to talk about there. That we'll want to. Revisit it. Ben. Anything else. On the. Public works. List. Before we close out. New business. No. I'm just looking for. Uh. Here is. A. Map. I'm going to share my screen. Real quick. This is a map. That shows where e-bikes are allowed. And it explicitly includes. The Grant Creek Trail. So. Bitterroot Trail. Milwaukee Trail. And Kim Williams. Um. Northside. Uh. The California Street Area. Grant Creek. Um. Yeah. They're allowed. In all those places. Where is that map? Where. Where do I find it? Uh. Parks and Rec. Published this. I'm not sure. I had. I found it in a news story. Um. I will. Spend a little more time. And email that to you. John. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. That would be useful. This might be something else. That we. Uh. Give Missoula in motion. A little nudge. To see if we can get. Some more information. Out to the general public. Especially. As riding season. Heats up. So that. Uh. The information is out there. Yeah. Yeah. They reached out to me. And wanted to know. Yeah. Is there. For me. Black club. Of joining. Some of their. Their. Their. Their rides that they were doing. And I didn't. There. There wasn't. Mostly because. Well, I mentioned it to a few people. But they said. No. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um. Any other. Uh. New business. Uh. I would like to ask. If anybody knows. Brett. Bell. Personally. I do. Do you? Ask. Could you check to see if she's interested in continuing with the board? Kind of like a last call. We've sent some. Uh. Invitations. Uh. Just for. Uh. Her thoughts. Uh. Well-being. I haven't heard anything back after a couple of outreaches. But before we vote her off next meeting. Uh. I think it would be worth. One more. Just to check to make sure. Um. Brandon. Is. Uh. Has. Has resigned. So. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. perhaps we can revisit the idea of building out the board trying to get some representation from other neighborhoods and in that time bet if there are any other thoughts from the city on combining boards we can revisit that at our next meeting as well yeah and james i'll reach out to you offline and um nothing you know untoward we just haven't had too much time to discuss it yet and but with brandon's resignation the mayor's office kind of reminded us like hey what are we doing with this and so a aron and i and jeremy are going to try and figure that out so james we'll try and loop you into those conversations too okay all right sounds good yeah and um i guess it might be better to approach bre tt in the in that context saying look the board is being re reconfigured or whatever if there's a conversation going on and maybe uh you do you want to reconsider your interest or yep well specifically in terms of quorum yeah she's missed four meetings and if it affects our ability to make decisions and properly advise the city regardless of which direction the board goes that 's right i think that would be uh next meeting is our yeah i don't see you that often it's it's her kids and my grandkids are friends it's like oh thanks you know okay you're at work or anything like that but if i think i if i think a way of bringing it up just one if i see her okay otherwise i'm probably not a reliable conduit back channel all right sounds good we've done our due diligence that's right that's right no i i agree that you know you have to worry when when when there's quorum because there's repeated missing so something has to happen right right uh okay any announcements from board members in the room any announcements online okay our next meeting will be june 15th at 5 p.m in the r yan street conference room same great time same great place with that let's adjourn this meeting all right see you guys now we can move right we have to move because it's so well we have to move we don't have to move to adjourn nice to see you again olivia

Thank you. All righty, that sounds great. Good evening, everyone. It's 6.01 p.m., and I'll go ahead and call the Missoula City Council meeting to order. Welcome to all City Council members and members of the public. It is May 11, 2026. Before we start with our agenda, if you'll join me in the P ledge of Allegiance, please. Thank you. All right, Ms. Trimble, roll call, please. All right, good evening. Beginning with Anderson, present. Becerra. Present. Campbell. Here. Further limited the voting rights. Grask. Present. Jones. Absent. Jordan. Present. McCoy. Here. Nelson. Present. Nugent. Present. Anton. Present. Savage. Present. And Cheryl. Present. We do have a quorum. Great. Thank you very much. We do have minutes from April 27, 2026. If any council members have any questions or changes, proposed changes for those minutes, please. Raise your hand. All right. Not seeing any, then those minutes remain as submitted. Thank you. Next, we'll move to the committee schedule for this coming Wednesday, May 13, 2026. Ms. Trimble, do we have any changes or updates for the posted committee schedule? No changes. It'll be a pretty full day. We'll begin at 930 with the climate conservation and parks, and then we'll end around 245. Excellent. Okay. Thank you very much. All that committee information can be found on the City of Missoula's City Council video agenda and minutes webpage. Next, we'll move on to special presentations and proclam ations. And before we get started with that, I'll mention that we do have a couple public hearings this evening. So we have that, and we also have a committee discussion. Before we get started with all of that business, we'll start with proclamations. We don't have any neighborhood council updates this evening . So our first proclamation is proclaiming Mental Health Awareness Month. Excuse me. Good to go? All right. The lead up to that proclamation was something. Thank you. Whereas since 1949, the month of May, has been recognized nationally as Mental Health Awareness Month. And whereas mental health is an essential component of overall health and wellness. And whereas untreated mental illness affects significant numbers of individuals and families in Missoula and is linked to issues such as poverty, hous elessness, and substance use disorders. And whereas stigma and negative stereotypes often deter people from seeking treatment and from obtaining employment or housing. And whereas community education and informed discussion can reduce stigma, promote mental health, and lead to more effective treatment of mental illness. Now, therefore, I, Andrea Davis, Mayor of the City of Miss oula in the state of Montana, hereby recognize the month of May, 2026, as Mental Health Awareness Month. And we do not have anybody here that wishes to speak to that tonight. So next, we'll move on to our proclamation. Councilor Jordan? Sorry, I wanted to make a comment to that proclamation, if that's right. Sure, you bet. Okay. Yes. So thank you for that. I do appreciate that we're taking a formal stance on mental health here at the city. And I just want to say something simple tonight, but it's something that I think we all know and rarely say out loud. We don't know what anyone is going through. We don't know if the person who seems angry is terrified. We don't know if the person who can't find their words is managing a psychiatric crisis. We don't know if the person who looks like they have it together is one bad day away from falling apart. We don't know if what reads as strange or threatening or difficult is actually someone using every last bit of strength they have to just show up. And yet, the moment someone behaves in a way that makes us uncomfortable, our instinct is to pull back, to judge, to label, to distance ourselves from the thing we don't understand and didn't expect. That is a human instinct, and I'm not here to shame anyone for having it, but I am here to say that we can do better than our first instinct. Mental health doesn't look like the way we were taught it looks. It doesn't always look like sadness or quiet suffering. Sometimes it looks like what frightens us. Sometimes it looks like what offends us. Sometimes it looks like the person we could cross the street to avoid or the one we roll our eyes at or the one we write off entirely before they finish their sentence. And here's what I know. The people carrying the heaviest loads are often the ones who have the least ability to carry them invisibly. The ones who can't mask it. They're the ones who spill out into public view in ways that make the rest of us flinch. Those are often the people who are the most unwell and the most underserved, and they deserve our patience, not our judgment. Tolerance isn't just about accepting people who are easy to accept. That's not tolerance. That's just comfort. Real tolerance is extending grace to someone whose behavior you don't understand and may never fully understand, and choosing to believe there is a human being and a story behind it before you decide what to do next. So this week, and every week after it, take a breath before you react. Assume there is something you don't know. Lead with curiosity instead of fear. We are all one diagnosis, one crisis, one devastating loss away from being the person someone else doesn't understand. So act accordingly. Thank you. Thank you very much for sharing that, Councilor Jordan. And thank you to the many people in the audience. I know that our support for folks that are working with folks managing various mental challenges and illnesses, thanks for all the work that you do. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. All right. Next, move on to the next proclamation, which is in regards to ALS Awareness Month. I'm going to add to the risk of mispronouncing this. We'll give it my best attempt here. Whereas amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, otherwise known as ALS, also commonly known as Lou Gehrig's disease, is a progressive fatal neurodegenerative disease in which a person's brain loses connection with their muscles, slowly reducing a person's ability to walk, talk, eat, and breathe. And whereas on average, patients diagnosed with ALS survive only two to five years from the time of diagnosis. And whereas securing access to new therapies, durable medical equipment, and communication technologies is of vital importance to people living with ALS. And whereas clinical trials play a pivotal role in evaluating new treatments, enhancing quality of life, and fostering assistive technologies for those living with ALS. And whereas spreading awareness of this neurodegenerative disease provides an opportunity to increase public awareness of the dire circumstances of people living with ALS, acknowledge the terrible impact this disease has on those individuals, their families and caregivers, and supports research to find a cure and eradicate this devastating disease. Now, therefore, I, Andrea Davis, Mayor of the City of Miss oula in the state of Montana, hereby recognize the month of May, 2026, as Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis ALS Awareness Month. Appreciate that. A dear friend of mine manages ALS, and it is really something pretty devastating. We can bring some awareness to it. All right. With that, that wraps up agenda item number four, which is special presentation and proclamations. So next we'll move on to public comment for items that are not on the agenda. The first period of public comment on items not on the agenda is limited to 20 minutes total, up to three minutes all otted per speaker. Each person may speak once per meeting concerning items that are not on the agenda. In-person comments take precedence. Sign-up is required and follows a first-come, first-served basis. The second period of public comment on items not on the agenda will follow immediately after the conclusion of all regular business and continue until all comments have been taken. So with that, we'll go ahead and start our public comment for items not on the agenda. I do have a few people signed up here, and the first is Ch ester S. Chester, even though I said your name, please say your name into the microphone. When you come up, your first and last name for the record, please. Come on up. And we'll go ahead and I'll put on the microphone for you. And I'll time you up here for three minutes. There is a clock that will show you when you're getting to 30 seconds and then when you're three minutes. It's done. All righty. Go right ahead. And I Chester Sights, and you already know of that, I hope. Unless you were talking about pronunciation, in which case I have an idea. Anyway, I was just... So I'm sitting in a post about somebody somewhere walking in their dark, and I don't really know if the person actually did what the law says and picked up after the dog. Also, because I need to make... Well, because I'm kind of wondering if I have to spend the tax dollars we give you wisely or not. I have no idea, mind you. I'd be going with no, but who knows. That's going to be in my public comment, and bye. Thank you so much, Chester. Coming down to make comment. All right. Next person up, Suzette Tussauds. So. Good evening, and thank you for hearing us out. We read through, or I've read through the MRA document regarding Midtown Commons, or whatever we're calling this now. That's 13 acres that will be developed for profit housing, for market rate housing. And again, I'm stunned by the city in allocating our few precious resources for market rate, when we have a critical need for housing for our workers and our community. So I ask you to go back to the drawing board and to look at what the possibilities are that you could imagine that will provide worker housing. And I'm not talking worker housing that is like warehouse housing. I'm thinking of worker housing that is humane, that is not eight to ten story buildings, that is not grouped together on a small lot, where you have no sense of community, no sense of gardening, no sense of who we are as Missoula. So I ask you to please go back and at this parcel, reconfig ure it. There is a beautiful plan developed quite a while ago. It was the first plan. It was developed by a local architectural firm. Go back, look at it. It preserves the beloved natural area, the ditch, which actually also flows past my house. It flows all the way from the Bitterroot River. You forget this. It's not an isolated item. It flows all the way to past the university, or at least to Higgins Avenue, where it meets the Clark Park. So please consider this site. We can, with good design, which I know we have in our community, because we have a local architectural firm that did this. I suggest that you keep, can you imagine what $2 million, $ 5 million would be if we took that cost out of the land underneath our homes? What would that make that townhouse? What would that make that townhouse or that small condo or that small apartment or even a little grove of tiny homes? How much more affordable that would be if we even embraced that whole notion of land underneath these homes? So please, please go back to the drawing board and use our local developers. Missoula is the beloved community you've all come to because it was developed by people who understood and were from this community. We do not need people from Arizona. We do not need people from God knows where to tell us how to be as a community. We know how to do that. Thank you. Right. Next up for public comment is Carrie Shriver. Hello. Carrie Shriver from Board 4 and Southgate Triangle Neighbor hood Council, as well as Midtown Commons Development. This map that Suzette was showing us is what brought the, this was the developer's proposal a year ago that led to the exclusivity agreement. And what has happened, I don't know if you all have had a chance to read the 82 papers of what came out on Wednesday for you to vote on Monday. It's a 12 day period to understand the developer's new plan and then choose to sell the land. As you all know, I've been following this closely since we started talking about buying the land. The initial news was saying, we're going to build a new neighborhood in Southgate Triangle. And I called MRA the next day and said, we are already a neighborhood and we're really dependent on that space. Please, please, when you make a park, do something that will serve the whole neighborhood. And we've had endless conversations about this in the time since. So we went from this plan that the developer brought that has some great key aspects. There's a beautiful waterway, greenway for the bike park into this park. A lot of green space through here. But the final one that you all will be voting for is here. And they're still using the language. There's a lot less green here. They're still using the language of a nice green way from the bike path. But when I look at it, it looks like the waterway is cul verted and the trail is through the parking lot of a four story condo building. So that's a little bit confusing to me why that is supposed to be inviting for the thousand people that live on the other side of the tracks to access that park. It really makes it look like it's more of a private park. That proposal that they brought, the initial one, also shows keeping the waterway through that area of the grove with the cottonwoods that we talk about all the time. Their proposal showed doing that. Their proposal showed keeping the waterway through the low lands. This is really distracting. I don't know if you can add more time on me from having this experience of this ringing in my ear the whole time. We went to Farmer's Market. We went to First Friday. We have 160 signatures of Missoulians that want to have a town hall and understand this more. A lot of people think that this is going to be attainable or affordable housing or workforce housing and it's not. These are all the ones we have in paper. That's 160. We've got another 500 or just under 500 online. And what we want is a conversation around these changes that go against what the public has actually been pleading for. That does conclude everybody that signed up on the sign-up sheet initially for public comment for items that are not on the agenda. But we do have about 10 minutes left of this period to make public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Come on up. Hi, my name is Katie Thompson and I also wanted to talk about the Midtown Commons. I'm hoping that the council will give extended periods since it's not the original plan that was presented. I do have concerns about affordability. When I look at the loft apartments that this developer built, a one-bedroom is $1,800. It goes up to $2,750 for a three-bedroom. That means that for $1,800, you need to make $6,000 a month if you're going by the 30% income basis. For $2,750, you need to make $8,250 a month. And I think we know Missoula salaries don't typically cater to those kind of numbers. So I do have major concerns about this being marker eight. And the other thing is accessibility. You know, seniors, handicapped. You mentioned a friend that has, I believe you said ALS. I'm a nurse. You know, I just think we're really not doing justice to our vulnerable population. And we're using a lot of tax funds for this development. And I know you've tried to say that we can't ask for too much in something or it hasn't worked with other developments. But I feel like we're just kind of handing this over. And we're funding, I believe it said 50% of the infrastructure. So I do have concerns about the amount of dollars and how much of a benefit. If you're talking rich people coming into Missoula, then yeah. If you're talking about people who are working, you know, fast food and college kids, I just worry about the numbers because these are investors. That are coming with this developer. You know, these are numbers they're looking at. Green space. We have begged you guys. And I do really appreciate some of you city council members have come to look at the land. Which I think it always helps that you can look at what you 're voting on. And it would be so nice if you do start listening to the people that live in the neighborhood. Because we know traffic. We know traffic. We know the specifics of the area and the needs. If this development is 300 units, let's multiply that times three. Or let's go conservative and say two cars. That's 600 cars, you guys. There's just a lot that needs to be considered. Also, now you're selling another portion of land with this. It's just, you know, this document, I just don't think it's fair to the public when this is not the original proposal. This is completely different. And if you look in site plan A, they actually kept the ditch the way that it was without, you know, moving, charging to move it. So thank you guys. I appreciate it. Thank you for your comments, Ms. Thompson. Anybody else for public comment on items that are not on the agenda? Come on up. My name is Shawna Yellow Kidney. I live in Ward 1. I just want to let you know and put my face to what's going on. Our quality of life is being reduced by the high occupancy housing that is being put up right across the street from where we live. This building that's going up right now doesn't even have all the cars that are going to be there once the residents move in, all the people. My children are experiencing a reduced quality of life because of the growth. I would like you to please consider the little people when approving these high-density housing projects, particularly in Ward 1 but all over. It's affecting us in ways that I don't think any of you are quite aware. I also would like to request a crosswalk to be built or painted between Walnut and Fifth Street so that my kids can safely and legally cross the street there when they walk home from school. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you for coming down and making comments this evening. I will just let you know that there's an opportunity on the how-do-i-form on the city's website that actually allows you to make requests such as you've made. There's one for street improvements and traffic concerns. That's where you would direct your request and they'll take a look at that. Thank you very much. All right, folks, we have a few more minutes. If anybody's interested in making public comment on items that are not on the agenda, Steve, come on up. Hi, thanks. Steve McArthur. And I was concerned about the issue that's before you because of the complexity, especially with... Is there an issue? Hold on one sec. Yeah, you can pull it up to you just so we can hear you a little bit better. Thanks. Hi, Steve McArthur. My concern as I became aware of the Midtown development was that I felt like, one, there needed to be public, more public awareness of what was going on so there could be comment to that. Those of us who are making good salaries, that's not a problem. But I think it is the people who are the working class of Missoula who are probably going to have the most difficulty being able to stay in Missoula and support the wonderful kind of downtown services that are being provided if we don 't seriously look at the values that you have agreed to in terms of the decisions that are being made. Because I believe that one of the key priorities was the affordability of housing. And this development doesn't seem to meet that standard. I would ask you to just at least try to go back to the drawing board and say, what can we do to moderate that in a way? I know it's very difficult to get projects approved, especially if they don't pencil out. But the value around affordable housing in this community is critical to the success of Missoula in the future. And if we don't make decisions that are very hard now, I feel like it's going to be impossible in the future. And I think there will be another Boulder, Colorado, and I hope that doesn't happen. Thank you very much. Thank you for your comments this evening, Steve. All right. We have time for one more public comment this evening. Hi, my name is Mary Giuliani. And I am a mental health therapist, so I really appreciate tonight's proclamation. I work with a lot of first responders, firefighters, ER nurses. And actually, a lot of what causes them distress is not being able to afford living in Missoula, not being able to afford housing in Missoula. So I just want to thank you for their proclamation. And I also want to recognize Teachers Week, which was last week, and Nurses Week, which I believe ends tomorrow. Truly, our society would crumble without these people that serve our public. So huge gratitude towards them. And this ties into this Midtown Commons project because at the MRE meeting on Friday, I heard a lot of confusion. Again, I made this comment on Friday, but about what type of housing will be provided. I heard Grant Kerr talk about that we're going to have affordable housing for Missoula's workers. You said it was going to be attainable. Two MRE board members thought that there was going to include workforce housing. We really had to make clear, no, it wasn't. And then lastly, Chris Kemmerle, the developer, said it's going to be market rate. So there's a bunch of different messages that we're receiving. Seven years ago, Andrea, or sorry, excuse me, Mayor Davis, when you were the executive director of Homeward, you said, quote, a person, and this is in 2019, again, quote, a person or a family would need an income of around $100, 000 a year to afford a median priced home in Missoula. So that was seven years ago. We all know what has happened to the housing market since then. Currently, an average teacher's yearly salary in Missoula is $46,000 a year, and an average nurse's salary is $62,000 a year. So this housing is not going to be affordable to the backbone of what keeps Missoula going, our firefighters, our teachers, our nurses. So again, sort of reiterating this call for a town hall, we actually got the idea from you. Our very first city council meeting we came to, we asked questions about this project. You said this isn't a town hall. It's not a back and forth. You can't ask questions, and we can't respond. So thank you for letting us know the correct path to take in order to get a public transparent conversation about this. And we're looking forward to hearing back from you about that. Thank you. Thank you for your comments this evening. All right, folks. That does wrap up our public comment for items that are not on the agenda. There is another section for this a little bit later down the agenda. All right. Next, we'll move on to our public hearings. Our first public hearing this evening is 6.1, the UDC developer street mitigation payment fee. I'll just say before we get started that state law and city council rules set guidelines for inviting community comment in a formal way on certain issues. Following a staff report on each item, the city council and the mayor invite community comment. City council holds a public hearing on the item. A member of council makes a motion and a vote is taken. The public hearing and vote take place on the same night unless there is a reason to hold the vote over to a later meeting date. So with that, I've got Ben Carson and Morgan Valiant, staff members who are here and ready to present on this item. Hello, Morgan. Come on up. Hello. Good evening. It's good to see you all tonight. I'm Morgan Valiant. I work for City Parks and Rec. I'm the associate director of the ecosystem services division, which houses our conservation lands management program and urban forestry program. Unfortunately, Ben can't join us. He's got a herniated disc and so he is down for the count. And so I've chatted with him before this, so I should be able to answer any questions that come up. But to give you a quick background on what we're requesting today, I'm here to talk about trees and more specifically about trees. Tree planting and new development. We all know that trees are important. They increase our quality of life, livability of our neighborhoods, cools our urban environment, makes our asphalt last longer, reduces cooling costs on adjacent homes. We have robust goals as a community to continue to expand our urban forest to take care of it. And a lot of that has to do with replanting. A lot of the new trees that we get within our community do come through development or redevelopment of sites. Recently, when the city passed their new unified development code, a new option was put out for developers for tree planting. There were always two options that were available. One is the developer plants trees as per their landscape plan and does that as part of their development. And they get their certificate of occupancies as they complete their landscape and boulevard improvements. There was also an option for the urban forester to allow in certain cases where tree planting can't be done. Cash and loom mitigation payments. We rarely do that. The third option, and should have covered this one first because it's actually one, option one in the UDC, but the new option allows the city or the developer to actually pay the city's urban forestry program to add that tree planting site to their annual planting list. And then the city would plant the tree. Tonight, we're talking about setting a fee for that new option. The recommended fee that we have in front of you today is $ 1,025. This covers the cost for us to add the tree to our tree order, order that tree from a nursery, get that tree, hold it until it's time to plant, which is a really critical thing. Planting trees in boulevards is really tough. It's a harsh environment. And a lot of folks, when they do a development, if you finish your development in July and you've got to get that tree in the ground, you'd plant it in July, which is not normally a good time to plant a tree in our climate. So we'll hold that tree. We'll put it in in either the fall or the spring in those wet shoulder seasons. We would cover fencing, a water bladder for that tree. We would offer water to that tree for the hot summer months for once a week for the two to three months, about two and a half months of the summer. We do a formative prune on that tree after two years. And if the tree dies, we would accept the warranty and we would replace that tree. In general, not in general, actually, this is the exact same fee that we currently charge. And I hesitate to call it charge because it's really a city partnership with our colleagues over at the Missoula Rede velopment Agency and Public Works and Mobility. We have already been doing this for their sidewalk improvement projects where they will pay us 1,025. We will add it to our planting list. We will provide that two years of care, make sure that that tree is successful. And so this is not something new internal to the city, but this is a new option we're offering developers. Besides ensuring that these trees are going to survive, it also allows us to really start that critical relationship and partnership building with the adjacent resident. One of the things unique about our community is that tree in front of your house is city property, but we manage it in partnership with that homeowner. And so we can get in there with educational material. We can build that relationship. And when we are pulling our water bladder and stopping those two years of watering, they have all the tools they need to take over, you know, care for that of that tree to make sure it's successful. And we continue to expand our urban forest. Other benefits of this is it definitely expedites the developers' ability to complete their project. They're not, we're not having to issue temporary CFOs until that tree is, or certificate of occupancies until that tree is planted. They're able to pretty easily move from their development to issuing or selecting this option, having us take over tree planting. We're able to close out that project and have folks move in . Yeah, in general, I think the other option that's another consideration to really think about is this is not a requirement. No developer has to select this option. They can do it the way they've always done it and the way we've had it in our code for decades. And so it is a bonus that folks could enter into if they so desire. And we do have a fair amount of support from a lot of folks that are doing developments around town for this fee. So with that, I don't know if I should open it up to questions or sit down and let public comment go. Thanks, Morgan. You can go ahead and take a seat, although the next item will be questions from council. So you're welcome to stay there. You're welcome to sit down. Mike, Councillor Nugent says stay there. Here are some questions. So come on up. Questions from Council, Councillor Nugent. Thank you, Mayor Davis. First of all, I want to thank Parks for taking this step. I actually think this is a great tool. And as you mentioned, people don't have to do it. Developers can still plant their own trees and take care of this the way they always have been. But for folks who've said this is a burden, I actually think this is a great program. One question I just maybe want the public to better understand. So if a developer finishes a house in a window that you kind of classified as the bad planting time, so winter, let 's just say, no planting time, I guess. Yeah. Can the developer get like a temporary certificate of occup ancy until appropriate planting season? Yes. And that is exactly what happens. We'll issue a temporary CFO and they'll have to wait until nurseries release trees and the ground freezes. So sometimes you're coming back six months later to plant that tree. And so there's an inconvenience factor, especially in winter months. Follow up? Please. So the temporary CFO allows people to move into the house and start living in the house and then they come back and finalize it later? Yes. I appreciate that because one of the public comments that a couple of us received was a concern that this was going to be the city's way of forcing people to use this program and not granting those. And I assured them that's not the case, but I wanted you to walk through that. So I appreciate it. Yes. A hundred percent. Thank you. Great. Thank you for your questions. Appreciate that. Any other council questions? Councilor Melson, please. Thanks, Mayor Davis. Thanks, Morgan. This is an awesome program. I'm very supportive. I am concerned about urban forestry's capacity. Have you ground tested or modeled, sort of stress tested, like what the volume of opt-ins now that this program could potentially be propped up would look like? And could urban forestry respond to that given the capacity that they have? Yeah. Right now we feel like we have the capacity. One of the things about this fee that allows us to do is we actually hire seasonals. And so temporary intermittent seasonals that would come in to drive our water truck to do this watering. And we actually have two water trucks right now, a larger one and a smaller one. And so we feel that we can absorb a lot of this planting. We do not know what the upper limit is, though. And so we very we could run into a bit of a bottleneck. And the hope is, as this fee grows and we're able to find cost savings, we're able to actually build towards that. The big pinch I see is actually equipment related in the future. As far as the fee itself, though, it does cover that that seasonal staff time. And so the labor shouldn't really come into play with these . Awesome. Thanks. Excellent. Great. Thank you. Any additional questions? Counselor Krask. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm just curious if you have this. You might not have this, but any idea of kind of the success rate of trees being followed for a couple of years of their lifespan after they're first planted and taken care of versus trees that are maybe put in, in the heat of July and, um, and becoming the sole homeowner responsibility or property owner responsibility at that point. We see, I don't have hard numbers. Um, I mean, we see a lot of tree failure oftentimes, especially in large developments where you have an entire neighborhood where, uh, the developer actually has to hold warranty periods on that. I mean, there can be 30 plus percent tree loss that has to be replaced. And so, um, on, on smaller developments where it's just a lot here or there, we, we don't really know. We have tracked our own, um, internal planting. We urban forestry does about a hundred to 150 trees a year. We do it at the right time of year. Um, but we didn't use to always provide deer browse and watering. We used to just plant and then hope that the adjacent home owner would take care of it. We hired a position. This, this, this body actually funded this position, um, three years ago to supply that two years of maintenance. And we weren't, we didn't have good numbers before, but we were probably losing upwards of 30 plus percent. We lost 2% now. And so we've, and they've all been for not for lack of watering or care. It's been weird things like a car hits it or something. That's great. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Any additional council questions? No. All right. All right. All right. Not seeing any, then we'll go ahead and hear the motion chair. Cheryl. Thank you. You bet. Thank you, Morgana. Yeah. Thanks. Um, I recommend that we adopt a resolution for a fee of $1, 025 per tree, right of way improvement street tree mitigation option. One detailed in article 6.2. Point zero one dash a five of the city of Missoula unified development code. Thank you very much. So the motions on the floor, this is a public hearing and the public hearing is open. We now will move to public comment for this agenda item. So if there's any public comment for this agenda item. I'm not seeing any in the room. We'll go to online. Amy Silenberg, please go ahead and unmute yourself. Great. Thank you. Um, yes, Amy Silenberg, I am the executive director at climate smart Missoula. And I think as folks on council know, one of our key programs is the trees for Missoula program. Um, so getting to this resolution is exciting. We work a lot, um, not just with urban forestry, but with others trying to, um, plant and grow and take care of trees. And so it's really exciting that there will be the funds to not just plant the trees, but as Morgan described care for them. Um, it really will result in a healthier, longer lasting, um, urban forest. And we know all the benefits from shade to cooling to help. And, um, also really want to just point out one of Morgan's final points there, the partnerships that this will develop. A lot of the work that we're trying to, to do along with urban forestry and others is to really help folks that live in these homes where they have trees, um, understand the benefits and be ambassadors of their own trees. So anyway, this is great. And I really appreciate, um, the careful consideration around, I think it will be very successful. Thank you. Thank you for your comments this evening. This evening, Amy, appreciate that. Uh, Lucas Moody, your hand is raised. Go right ahead and unmute yourself. Uh, yes, this is Lucas Moody. Um, so I, I was just wondering if there are specific requirements about the types of, uh, trees that are seen as the, the city would be like taking on the burden of responsibility for this. If there's like certain types of trees that are, would be like prohibited or the like, just cause I, I know that, uh, various trees are very climate restrictive and, uh, or even like you get junippers and we have like, those are like candy to the local deer, uh, uh, population. So, uh, these are basically, uh, trees that aren't native to our, uh, our ecosystem that, uh, would have a much lower, uh, survival rate. And I'm wondering if there's just like any, uh, conditions regarding that. Thank you for your comments this evening, Lucas. Any additional public comment? All right. I'm not seeing any then that wraps up the public comment and the public hearing for this agenda item. We'll bring it back to city council comments or questions. Any council comments or questions? Councillor Nugent. Uh, thank you, mayor Davis. I would just invite, uh, Morgan to answer that last public comment question about just. What types of trees? Cause I know the city does pay attention to that. So might as well get that information out there. Yeah, we do. Thank you very much. Um, and I, I could go on and on. I'll, I'll keep it short. And so we do have a list of prohibited trees, trees that we know that don't do well here or invasive in our natural areas. Um, we also have a long list of trees in different size class. You know, one thing that we talk about is right tree, right place. Um, and so, uh, we have a long list that folks can choose from, but all the tree planting that would be done in this case would be part of an approved development plan. And so that landscape plan would go through our development review process. They'd be reviewed by our urban forestry and our urban forestry team. And we'd work with that developer to make sure we're choosing the right trees, um, for, for the year. So there is a significant amount of thought that goes into this. Great. Thank you. And any other questions or comments from council members? All right. Not seeing any. Um, Claire, we'll do a roll call vote, please. All right. Voting on the, to adopt a resolution for a fee of $1,025, um, per tree for right of way improvement street, street tree mitigation option one detailed in the new UDC beginning with Anderson. Yes. Becerra. Campbell. Yes. Krask. Yes. Jordan. Yes. Coy. Aye. Nelson. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Fonten. Yes. Savage. Yes. And Cheryl. Yes. That item passes unanimously. Excellent. Thank you very much. Morgan. Thank you for your presentation and you and your team's work on this effort. Thank you. All right. Our next public hearing is item 6.2, which is funding recommendations for the United Application Program Year 2026. We have three of our housing program staff associated with this agenda item. Not sure who is going to present. Kendra Lissom, Lisa Bauer, or Colleen Kane. Whichever of you are ready, please go ahead and get started . Thank you, Mayor Davis. Let me get my screen to share. Okay. Holler if you can't see that. Okay. All right. So thank you. I'm Kendra Lissom, and I'm joined by Colleen Kane and Lisa Bauer. And we're grants administrators in the Community Development Division of CPDI. And each spring, we come before council to present our funding recommendations for the upcoming year, which is fiscal year 2027, or our HUD year 2026. You'll hear us refer to both the program and fiscal year 20 27, but we're talking about the same time period, which is June 1st through June 30th. So we're here to present our funding recommendations for four separate sources of local and federal funding. And we'll start by giving a brief overview of the sources, followed by the process that we do to review the projects that come in and finally our project recommendations. So to begin with, here's an overview of the funds that we 'll be discussing today. We have the local affordable housing trust funds, which can be used for a variety of housing-related activities to benefit those with incomes up to 120% AMI. And this year, the trust fund was able to bring approximately $309,000. The Community Development Block Grant, CDBG, and Home Investment Partnerships Program, or HOME funds, are made available to the city of Missoula on an annual basis from the federal government through the United – the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, or HUD. Home and CDBG allocations differ from year to year, but on average, we receive about a total of about $800,000 between the two. And then finally, in late 2021, we received a one-time allocation of $1.3 million in federal Home ARP, or American Rescue Plan, funds from the COVID era. And these funds can be used to help reduce homelessness and increase housing stability. And then collectively, we call these funds our Community Development Funds. And each fund can be used for different activities, things like acquisition, construction, and rehabbing, affordable housing, and some services as well for low- and moderate- income Missoulians. So, as I mentioned, our funds benefit households of certain incomes, and income limits are often referred to in terms of area median income, or AMI. And I just wanted to pause real quick to just explain what that is, because we'll bring it up a couple times. If you line up every household in a region from the one making the least to the one making the most, the household in the middle would be the median household. And therefore, the median household income is the middle household in that region. So, for an example, a family at 80% AMI might be a household with two working parents, where one is a teacher and another is an administrative assistant. And so, we use AMI to determine the eligibility for each of these funds. Oh, and here's what our AMI is for 2025. For a family of four. This slide shows the breakdown of funding requests we received and the amounts that we have available in each funding source. We have two methods for matching our funds with projects that address identified community needs. The primary way is through a formal application and scoring process. This year, the scoring committee reviewed applications for the city's Affordable Housing Trust Fund and HUD CDBG funds . The scoring committee included four community development staff, a city permit coordinator, two city council members, and a representative from the Affordable Housing Resident O versight Committee. We reviewed 13 applications and scored each based on a rub ric that includes things like project design, outcomes, and financial feasibility. Some of our funding, like home and home ARF, just don't mix well with our competitive round because of the narrow focus and the complex compliance requirements that come with these grants. So, we use community-identified needs to match this funding with appropriate projects. These needs are identified both in our funding allocation plans required by HUD and through various reports like our community needs assessment, our needs and gap surveys, housing partnership meetings, housing landscapes assessment reports, important time counts, and things like that. We're proposing to fund two projects this year with the Affordable Housing Trust Fund. The first project was the top-scoring project in a recent funding application round. $200,000 is recommended to support United Way's Housing Solutions Fund, which provides a flexible source of financial assistance in order to prevent instances of hous elessness. This project will benefit 425 low-income households. The next highest-scoring project was Homeward's Creekside Apartments Rehabilitation Project. Additional funding here will address unanticipated and critical rehab needs they've encountered that are above and beyond the initial estimates. The rehabilitation is benefiting 161 low-income households. For one of our most challenging funding sources, we recommend continued HomeARP funding for the Human Resource Council's Houseless Prevention Project and Partnership Health Center's Navigating to Stability Project. The Houseless Prevention Project will provide critical rent and deposit assistance working to prevent houselessness for 80 very low-income households. So this is 30% AMI or below. The Navigating to Stability Project will support the Waters hed Navigation Center's ability to provide mental health treatment and housing counseling services to 250 individuals who are houseless or at risk of houselessness. And then, first, our CDBG projects this year, we're proposing to fund six. Homeward's Orchard Gardens is a 35-unit affordable housing project, and it'll receive $275,000 to address critical rehabilitation needs. And then, accessible space will receive funds to install two new energy-efficient boilers at the Bruce Blattner Apartments. The Regional Access Mobility Program, or RAMP, will receive funds to continue to install ADA-compliant wheelchair ramps for low-income households. And HRC's Homeowner Rehabilitation Project will continue to address critical rehab needs for Missoula's low-income homeowners. And then, in our surveys and reports, childcare was repeatedly cited as a pressing community need. So, we've partnered with the Parks and Rec Department to fund two after-school programs. One will provide childcare to complement MCPS's six-week summer jumpstart program, while the other will provide childcare before and after kindergarten assessments. Both programs will aim to give low- and moderate-income families the flexibility and childcare support that they need. And then, for our home funds this year, we're proposing to allocate a little over $16,000 to support the operating expenses of a local community housing development organization. This is a standard allocation that HUD allows us to do each year with up to 5% of our allocation from HUD. We have two community housing development organizations in Missoula, Homeward and Front Step Community Land Trust, and this year we're proposing to allocate the funding to Front Step. The remainder of our home funding for this program year we 're going to hold onto for the moment in anticipation of additional housing needs that may come up during the program year. And in which case we'll come back and present those projects at that time. I also wanted to provide a quick update on our PY25 HUD action plan. We presented to Council in January of this year about a new project with Front Step Community Land Trust to acquire a property on East Spruce and Alder Street. Unfortunately, that project was unable to move forward, so we've pivoted with Front Step to support a different acquisition. This property is on South 13th Street and Front Step in partnership with Habitat for Humanity will build two three- bedroom homes for low-income homebuyers that will be placed into a community land trust. And then here's a summary of all the PY26 projects that we 've just discussed. Altogether, these projects total a little over $1.5 million in funding commitments. In addition, each awardee is asked to bring at least 25% matching funds to the project, and that's non-federal funds that they have to propose. That's an estimated total of $386,000 in non-federal leverage that's being brought to the projects. And then when you take all of our funds together and add up all the total beneficiaries across the projects, you can see that all four funding sources provide an incredible benefit too and are greatly needed in our community. And we'd like to encourage everyone to take a look at our CDBG and Home Annual Action Plan, where you can read about our federal projects that will be supported this year. And then we really do encourage you to reach out and let us know with questions, comments, anything. You can do so by going to engagemissoula.com, or you can scan the QR code. And we'll accept public comments through this Friday, May 15th. And you can also comment by reaching out to any of us here. You can call us or you can email us. We're always happy to help. Thank you. All right. Thank you all very much for your presentation and for your work in this important space, allocating $1.5 million to both bricks and mortar affordable housing, existing affordable housing that needs some rehab, and then some services that help people access their home more easily is incredibly important. Thank you. With that, I'd like to ask if there are any questions from Council. I'm not seeing any questions. All right. Then what we'll do -- oh, yes, Councilor Becerra, please. And, and, Councilor, we're barely able to hear you this evening. So if you can just make sure that you speak close to your microphone, that would be helpful. Thank you. Can you hear me now? Yes, but very lightly. I'll just, I'll just email my question because I don't think I can yell at you. We're hearing you better now if you want to go ahead and ask your question. I was just wondering if the 13th Street project that we had to pivot to in order to allocate funds, if it went through a similar rubric review process as all the other projects that normally go through the, the unified grant application process. Excellent. Thank you for your question, Councilor. We heard that loud and clear. All right. Which staff member would like to hear that? I'm happy to take that one. And thank you for that question. Yes, it did. We have a pretty rigorous process of determining if projects are eligible for home funding because of how complex it is. And so the same criteria that we used for the East Alder Street Spruce Street project, we applied in conversation with both Front Step Community Land Trust and Habitat for Humanity to make sure that it still met those criteria. And so they provided us all the same documentation. They'll be holding public comment in the neighborhood with the community to talk about the project and all of the standard things that are required in order to apply for home funds. Excellent. Great question. Thank you so much for providing that answer. Any additional questions? I think we have a question. I think we have a question. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Not seeing any other additional questions, then I'll go ahead and ask for a motion. I believe that's Councillor Nugent in place of Chair Jones. Is that right? In that case? Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Davis. I move City Council adopt a resolution granting approval of the City of Missoula Unified application around year 2026, awarding Affordable Housing Trust Fund, Home Investment Partnership Program, Home ARP, and Community Development Block Grant funds to certain organizations directing staff to negotiate contracts and agreements and authorizing the Mayor to sign the contracts and agreements with said organizations. Excellent. Thank you very much. The main motion is on the floor. This opens the public hearing and it's time for public comment for this agenda item. If anybody has a public comment for this agenda item, please come up now. My name is Julie Pavlisch. I am the Operations and Program Director for Homeward. And I just wanted to take a moment tonight to thank the City staff firstly, but the Council Committee and all of you on the Council for your thoughtful consideration of limited resources and great need in our community for these grouped funds together. So we are incredibly appreciative of that consideration and the continued funding for the various projects that we have put forward over the years and this year particularly. So I'm going to urge you to adopt the resolution that's before you this evening. It's going to continue to help us maintain the afford ability and health and safety of over 196 homes in our community in the coming year. So thank you all tonight and I appreciate your time. Excellent. Ms. Pavlisch. Thank you and thank you for your great work. All right. Eric, come on up. Good evening, Mayor Davis, Council. Thank you very much. My name is Eric Legvold, L-E-G, V as in Victor, O-L-D. I'm the Director of Impact at United Way of Missoula County . I'll make this brief. We respectfully urge the Council to approve the $200,000 for the Affordable Housing Trust Fund allocation to replenish the Housing Solutions Fund for fiscal year 27, PY 26. In the fiscal year 26, Housing Solutions Fund served over 206 households in Missoula County, providing emergency rental assistance, move-in support, and housing reunification services, while distributing almost $300,000 through five funding streams, one of that being Affordable Housing Trust Fund. All of that, nearly 90% of households served were at or below 50% AMI. Confirming resources are reaching the community's most need . And demand was strong that all available funds currently have been fully exhausted. Resulted in a gap of roughly two months until hopefully res upplementing the fund. The $200,000 of Affordable Housing Trust Fund allocation will directly resolve or restore the city's primary emergency housing stabilization tool, preventing evictions, reducing shelter injuries, and connecting Missoula residents with housing before crisis becomes homelessness. We thank you. Have a great night. Thank you for coming down tonight, Eric. Thank you and your team. Any other public comment on this agenda item? Okay. I'm not seeing any in the audience. I'll just take a quick look online here and see if anybody has their hand raised for public comment on this agenda item. Not seeing any hands raised. That does wrap up our public comment and the public hearing for item 6.2, and we'll bring it back to the City Council to see if there are any questions or comments from City Council members. Councilor Krask, please. Councilor Krask, please. Councilor Krask, yeah, thank you. I just want to express my gratitude to the team for the work that they've done on these grants and the allocations. I think we'd love to be able to fully fund every project and with limited funds and resources that isn't always possible. I hope we've been able to fund as much as we can that fits within the purview of these grants, and I think they'll certainly do really great work to address housing and affordability in our city. I'm just really grateful for these organizations receiving the money, the allocations, and everyone who supports these grants in all these different ways. So thank you. Thank you very much. Councilor Krask and Councilor Nugent. Thank you, Mayor Davis. I would echo what my colleague, Councilor Krask, said and just commend all the organizations that are receiving these grants. The distance they stretch the dollars on these grants is kind of incredible and the work that gets done in our community. So thank you in this room and those you're representing from other groups that are also part of this as well. I just really appreciate all the good work being done in Missoula. Great. Thank you for your comments. Councilor McCoy. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Wanted to echo my colleagues' comments and also just add in that I hope that our public and our constituents understand that this funding and where it goes is doing the greatest good for our community, particularly our houseless community and those who are struggling for shelter, because if they don't have access to these types of resources, then their options become the streets or possible fines for being on the streets or jail. And it has been demonstrated through our social sciences over and over and over again that these are the pathways to getting people into permanent housing and off of the streets. So I am in full support of this. Thank you very much for your comments. Any other council members? Alrighty. Not seeing any. Then we will go to a roll call vote, please. All right. Voting to adopt a resolution granting approval of the City of Missoula Unified Application Round Year 2026, awarding the Affordable Housing Trust Fund, Home Investment Partnership Program, Home ARP Program, and the Community Development Block Grant Fund, and the Community Development Block Grant Fund to certain organizations, beginning with Becerra. Yes. Campbell. Yes. Krask. Yes. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Yes. Melson. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Ponton. Yes. Savage. Yes. Cheryl. Yes. And Anderson. Yes. And that also passes unanimously. Fantastic. All right. Thanks, everybody, for your great work. Really appreciate coming down this evening. And, again, thanks to the staff and the council members for your support and continued work. Next, we'll move on to our consent agenda. Consent agenda items were approved in city council committees to be placed on the consent agenda to save time at council meetings. By voting on them as a package. The city clerk will read the list aloud. So citizens watching on MCAT will know what is on the consent agenda. We'll invite community comment on these items before we vote. So, Ms. Trimble, if you'll go ahead and share the consent agenda on screen and walk us through that. That would be great. All right. On this evening's consent agenda, we have a motion to rat ify accounts payable or claims for checks dated May 5, 2026, in the amount of $737,768.44, and a second motion to approve accounts payable or claims for checks dated May 12, 2026, in the amount of $1,273,091.87. Next up, we have a motion to approve a resolution establishing the Higgins lot as an authorized farmers market and allowing it to operate between the first Saturday in May and through the second Saturday in October each year. We have a motion to appoint Jennifer Snorsky-Pfeiffer as a regular member of the City Planning Commission with a term that begins immediately and expires December 31, 2028. We have a motion to approve and direct the mayor to execute the proposed Fox Triangle Land Use and Development Require ments Agreement, establishing certain mutual obligations between the City and Riverfront Triangle Partners, LLC, relative to easements, transportation, infrastructure, and development in Riverfront Triangle, and rescind the prior land use agreement between the parties. We have a motion to confirm the mayor's appointment of Kelsey McIntosh Krug to the Parking Commission for a term beginning May 1, 2026, and expiring on April 30, 2030. And our last item this evening is a motion to authorize the mayor to sign Amendment No. 1 to the Marketing Agreement with the Service Line Warranties of America to begin offering insurance plans for sewer lines at no cost to the city. All right, very good. Thank you. Is there any public comment on the consent agenda this evening? Not seeing any. I'll go ahead and check online. Any comment online? Okay. There appears no public comment for the consent agenda this evening. Do any council members wish to abstain or separate any of the consent agenda items? All right. Not seeing any. Ms. Trimble, we can take a voice vote on this consent agenda, please. Absolutely. Voting on this evening's consent agenda, all in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. And any opposed? And that passes unanimously. Okay. Excellent. Thank you very much. We do have one item for regular business located under the committee reports. This is agenda item number 10 for those that are following along. And this is item 10.1a under the budget and finance committee report. 10.1.ab authorization for three full-time employees for the municipal court. And we have Carrie Dady that I believe is here to make the presentation. Come on up, Carrie. Thank you, council. Good evening. My name is Carrie Dady. I'm the court administrator. I'm the court administrator. Had an opportunity to come before the budget and finance council on, uh, back in April and now here, um, with the final vote. Um, a quick recap. This is a request to move funds from our professional services line item in our budget to personnel. Um, this would create three new full-time employees in the current municipal court budget. The purpose behind this move is to move a contracted service that we've done for years with Missoula County to an in-house service. Um, I have had a couple conversations, great conversations with counselors in the time between the first and second presentation. And there was an ask of why, you know, why is this coming right now? Why isn't this part of the normal fiscal year 27 budget process? Uh, and the reason why we're, we're bringing this now is, um, the contract that we have with the county expires on June 30th, um, of this year. So in order to prevent a break in services and to onboard new staff while we're winding down this contract, we worked with the finance department, um, central services and human resources, kind of as this is the, the route or the mechanism to bring this now. Um, we began, um, we began kind of conversations in December with the county on whether the, the contract is set to automatically terminate, but whether to consider, um , our ask was a six month extension. Um, we began, um, our ask was a six month extension. Um, we began, um, our ask was a six month extension. Um, we began, um, our ask was a six month extension. Um, we began, um, our ask was a six month extension. Um, we began, um, our ask was a six month extension. Um, we began, um, our ask was a six month extension. Um, we began, um, our ask was a six month extension. Um, we began, um, our ask was a six month extension. Um, that wasn't a workable option for them, um, just a six month kind of interim to get us through. And so, um, we now stand with the contract ending, uh, June 30th. Um, it is, uh, as I said, we've worked with, um, central services on locating, um, space for these new employees, IT in terms of those startup costs. Um, human resources has approved these job descriptions and class them. And then working with finance on that, you know, the logistics of adding people at this time of the year, uh, recruitment for this position must begin immediately to prevent a break in service. Uh, the County program and the wonderful employees that have been handling our pretrial services have accepted new jobs. So there isn't an opportunity to extend for a month or two. Um, they'll be winding this up and, and heading into new exciting projects. Um, this action does not, uh, increase fiscal year 27, 26 appropriations at all. Um, and I'll give you a preview. Um, and I'll give you a preview. We don't have a new request in fiscal year 27 related to this either. Um, we're able to take the budgeted amount in professional services and rework our use of some of that to, um, really respect the taxpayers' tax funds, um, and provide the best service to our community. Uh, it doesn't require new revenue. Uh, it doesn't require new revenue. Um, it also doesn't commit the council to permanent funding . Um, this would be something that would be discussed during the annual budget process every year. Um, this action does, um, authorize us, uh, within our authority to begin that recruiting process. Um, we may, um, we may expend some fiscal year when we do have enough vacancy savings that if we were able to hire and bridge, um, the gap of the county winding down, uh, and new people coming on, that would be the optimal solution. Um, um, future funding is still subject to annual budget processes and council appropriations. Um, I've also, I believe Lee Griffin is here to answer any other question. Lee, are you available about the process used, um, the fiscal impact? Um, but I am happy to pass it to Lee. Thank you, Ms. Dady. Thank you, Lee Griffin, city finance director. Um, I did want to speak to this a bit procedurally, uh, to let folks know that we have brought forward these revenue, revenue neutral staffing changes to council previously. Um, and we've done that as part of the broader budget amendment process. And if folks may recall, um, when we bring forward those amendments, we have a couple of sections at the end of the exhibits that outline all of the budget amendments that we bring forward as informational items. And the, and this would be a perfect example of one of those situations where a department has a certain level of appropriations authority. Um, and they want to transfer between expenditure categories. Um, and. Um, and we asked the court to actually write the separate resolution and bring this forward sooner because this was a time sensitive issue for them. And it didn't need to go through the entire budget amendment process as it does not raise appropriations. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Um, and we asked the court to do the court. Thank you, Ms. Griffin. Just want to make sure there's no other, um, staff presentation. Okay. Excellent. So we'll go ahead and bring it back to council questions and see if any council members have any questions. I do believe I see a hand raised, uh, counselor Anderson. Thanks you much, madam mayor. Um, I do have a couple of questions. Um, cause I was unclear about a few things and we kind of ran out of time on committee. So thanks for coming and joining us on Monday night. Um, I guess in regards to kind of how the order of operations of how we got here, I understand Lee's comments about, you know, having authority to move within particular line items, the budgeting authority within departments. I guess my concern is that this moves from something that is, um, you know, contract services to permanent employees and the ongoing, you know, budget line item that those folks will continue to have and therefore be subject to a COLA increase where like contract services don't isn't, aren't necessarily subject to that same thing. So did the court enter into a conversation with the County earlier this year to say that you had intentions of not to bring this in house and therefore ask for the contract extension? And they said no. And therefore they started to reappropriate or reposition those employees. I guess I'm like, how did the con ball get started going to get us to the point where I understand the predicament you're in now. I'm just kind of wanting a tiny bit of background to understand how we got here in terms of like, how did that conversation go with the County? And, and did you guys go ahead and say, we're not going to continue to do this with you guys? And then they made, um, appropriate accommodations for the staff who are currently filling that program. Cause I'll let you answer and I'll have a follow up. Okay. Um, the County budgeting process starts much earlier. And so in looking over the numbers, this was a contract the court originally entered into in 2021. Um, and then there was a year of extension and in looking at the numbers coming back, um, we are realizing we don't have cost control over a lot of the other contracts they're entering into for service vendors or technology, um, that we thought we realized we can do this as well with our own people for less money. And so as we began, um, this has been a really great partnership. So thinking through, are there things they can trim? We're going back and forth. There was a consideration that, that maybe rent wouldn't be an ongoing thing that the County would have a free space. And then that didn't materialize. So this was a really hard decision, um, because it has been a successful partnership, but as the contract costs, um, and their COLA, the County COLA was 4% this year, along with union increases, um, we couldn't control for those costs. And so in terms of sustainability and looking at renegoti ating our own contracts, um, for services, it was a decision we came to, um, that we would have more oversight, um, of the program and realize the costing. Oh, um, great. I appreciate that explanation. And then in, in your presentation two weeks ago, you spoke a lot about, um, kind of the success around text message reminders. And I guess I was confused on whether or not that is something that's currently happening or is that going to be a new thing that will be happening because of this coming in house? That's a great question. That is currently happening through the past program. Um, the program they use for that requires a lot of data entry and it's a lot of passing this information to this person, to this person. So there were a lot of efficiencies we could realize in bringing that in. Um, but the, the basis of past and its efficacy always has been reminders that your dentist, your pediatrician uses, um, and the urban Institute just finished and published a study in April looking at the efficacy of that. And when people are on pass, they're, um, they're much more likely to appear in court. And we're, we're getting to numbers that are kind of national best standard for that. So it would be continuing that, um, in house. Thank you. Absolutely. You bet. Thank you. And counselor Campbell. Thank you, ma'am mayor. If I may share my screen. Sure. Conversation. So I showed this last week or excuse me, week before when we had the, uh, conversation in committee, uh, the municipal court, FY 26, line item budget, we had discussed the two line items in particular. And I think there were numerals, uh, 350 professional services. Uh, and we're looking at transferring that still under FY 26, as I understand it, Carrie to paragraph one 10 or line one 10. We, we have vacancy savings. We wouldn't need to transfer any in fiscal year 26. Um, it's fiscal year 27 and trying to get someone on board early in July. We don't want to hire with, without coming to the council and, and budget final decisions. We don't get until mid April, mid August, excuse me. Okay. Follow up. Yes, please go right ahead. Uh, so looking forward to FY 27. We would essentially be eliminating line three 50 and just putting that money into line one 10 as an additional amount to cover those three FTEs. Are you saying that would just be absorbing those three FTE s into the existing line one 10 for salaries and wages plus cost of living or what your contract actually is? Uh, we, we would move the, the proposal is to move $268 from professional services into personnel. Um, in working with finance, there's a, on our fiscal year 26 budget, a line item for grants and contributions that actually is professional services. It's always been used to pay that. And so that professional services budget is what is in the line item. Plus I think it's around $63,000. Uh, so it would be shifting $268,000 into personnel. We still use professional services. Um, so we're looking at updating the hardware and needing some, um, AV expertise. So we would still have, uh, an amount in that professional services to cover those types of expenses. So, so you're not expecting, uh, overall, you're not expecting a personal services increase aside from contractually obligated, um, obligations for like COL As and whatnot based on the merging is I I'm understanding it from you of professional services and the grants of contribution to make that 268,000 work. Yes. And question for Mr. Bickle, if I may. Certainly. Go right ahead. Yes, sir. I just curious coming FY27 coming up this summer, are we a position yet? We're getting any read from department revenue on what might be coming our way property tax wise? Day and a. Dale Bickle, chief administrative officer. What we don't have is any preliminary information related to, uh, what our newly taxable values will be. They don't, um, we don't receive those until early August. And that's what, you know, that's why the, the budget adoption is, uh, so late in August. Um, we have been reviewing, um, new guidance. So in the last legislature, there were, uh, changes to the property tax limitation calculations. And, um, we've been, we did receive some, uh, uh, preliminary information from department revenue on how they , uh, how to calculate those. Uh, we restated the last three years of our newly taxable property under, under this guidance. And in all three of those years, we were a little better off. So it's actually a little, it's so this, the, the, the current law is neutral or a little better for us than, than , than the previous. That's what I have tonight. Thank you. I appreciate that. Just coming around the corner. Yes, it is. Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you. Councillor Campbell. Councillor Jordan. Thank you, Carrie Dady for, um, being here again tonight. Um, I just had a couple of questions, maybe just from an orientation perspective. Um, I think sometimes people don't really know why pretrial supervision is important. And I'm wondering if you could just tell us a little bit about that. We talked kind of about the nuts and bolts of, you know, the, the positions and whatnot, but we just have a high overview of why pretrial supervision is important. Both as like a, you know, community member and as the person who's being supervised. Yes. Um, so we get citations in, uh, our court from Missoula PD. People are innocent until proven guilty. And so there is a space of time, um, when you have a charge filed against you that has not been resolved. Um, it is in the best interest of the entire community, um, victims, attorneys, the courts. The community at whole to have these cases move as quickly as possible to resolution. Um, we have witnesses who are able to testify months, not years after, uh, it's, it's good for the entire community. So courts across the country are looking at this rate called failure to appear because when, um, a defendant, someone accused of a crime doesn't appear, it, it just stops the case from moving forward. So that is one metric we really can control. The other metric we're looking for is in the pendency of that case, no new, uh, violations. And so we're really looking at for pass, you know, is it, you need to go and do this, that, um, there are conditions of release that keep our community safe. And those are informed, um, by the public safety assessment . And so when crafting that, okay, you're, you're going to be released, but you need to get X, Y, and Z done. Um, and we're realizing some of those tasks that might seem really simple for us going and getting our driver's license renewed, um, renewing our insurance and getting proof in are, there are barriers for other people. So when we come alongside with reminders and then just connection to service providers, we're able to quickly resolve cases as quickly as possible. Um, and keep that number of new charges, um, down to a minimum, which is, uh, the goal of every court. Um, and keep that number of new charges, um, and keep that number of new charges. And keep that number of new charges. Um, and keep that number of new charges. Um, and keep that number of new charges. Um, and keep that number of new charges. And keep that number of new charges. And keep that number of new charges. And keep that number of new charges. And keep that number of new charges. And keep that number of new charges. And keep that number of new charges. And keep that number of new charges. 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The current rate for an overnight at jail. Is $208. We. The people being held pre-trial in jail. For the most part. Are on felony holds from district court. Where public safety. They have different cases. And different considerations. Thank you. And one final. Thank you. That's right. And you did touch on this a little bit. Already in my first question. But I'm just curious. If you can really dial in. On how these positions will help. The criminal legal system as a whole. You know. Like you said. We've got city prosecutors. Who are preparing for somebody. To show up in court. We've got potential jurors. Who are preparing for somebody. To show up in court. We have city judges. Who are doing the same. And other associated staff. And I'm just curious. Do you see that these positions. Could potentially create. Like a tax savings. Of sorts. By preventing all of this. Preparation. Of all the professionals. Who ultimately. May not have this person. Show up in court. But also. As the way. I think you touched on this already. To just get cases adjudicated. More quickly. Yeah. I think one of the. Most challenging. Things. About a city budget. Is how to calculate. That churn. When everybody shows up. And everybody is ready. And there's one party. In a case. That isn't ready. And that just. Ongoing. Staff work. The prep. For both our prosecutors. And our public defenders. We've had. Where jurors come in. And we didn't have enough jurors. I mean. Just all of these things. Working together. So something. Just a very simple solution. Of reminders. And connecting people. With resources. We've seen. Micro input. A macro output. That is good for our community. Yeah. All right. That. Counselor McCoy. Thank you madam mayor. I just was curious. About whether. We're going to have. The ability. To track. To savings. Like if we're going to. Keep an eye on. That we are actually. Saving some money. And whether or not. That is some data. We can bring forward. Is that possible for us? Yeah. And in the urban institute. A third party. Really crunching our numbers. For the last. Four years. And looking at. The classes. There's several tiers. Of support. Whether it's just that. Basic text message. Or whether it's. Light touch. Case management. To connect people directly. With a service provider. Stephen Thompson. And his team. Have built. A phenomenal network. And have a lot of. Trust. With the people. We're serving. And the great relationships. With service providers. Where we can call someone. Instantly. And we have that. And we can talk through. A challenge. How to calculate. The cost. Of when it doesn't go well. When it doesn't go efficiently. That's more challenging. But for us. Really looking at those. Failure to appear. Rate. And are we. Seeing people. Racking up new. Charges. Or citations. During the pendency. Those are. Two pretty standard things. That we do. Measure. And we can track. Great. I'd love to see those numbers. In a year. Great. Great. Thank you. And I will just. Point out that. Carrie did share. The report. That she's referencing. From the. Urban Land. Not Urban Land Institute. But the Urban Institute. The Urban Institute. Yeah. And the work of the municipal court. On Friday. May 1st. So. If that's not in your inbox. Make sure we. Reach back out to Carrie. And she can send that. But. She did send that to my office. And all of city council. As well. Next question. Counselor Campbell. Thank you. Madam Mayor. Actually. Just a. Clarification. For something. That's brought up. I'm one of my colleagues. Ms. Jordan. About pretrial supervision. I'm sure you're aware. Of a recent. Federal court case. In Ravalli County. That was recently. Adjudicated on pretrial supervision. Yes. I did see. Judge Christensen. On the sideline. Of soccer games. This last weekend. Okay. So then you're aware. That jury. Then decided. The words value. Is pretrial supervision. The fact that the county. Can charge individuals. For things like. Alcohol monitoring. For GPS bracelets. That the county charges. These folks. And the case. And I would tell you. That the case. That was made. On behalf of the county. Was the fact that. This was their opportunity. To actually. Get out. Of jail. To have those services available. Otherwise. Without the ability. To have monitoring. To have that accountability. For drug testing. For GPS monitoring. That it's because of that. That they would in fact. Be sitting in jail. Without those tools. So. I did talk with the judge. Who presided over that case. And that case was interesting. That is a question of law. That went to a jury. That. That normally doesn't happen. Usually those types of cases. Due process implications. Are tried to a judge. Because it is a question of law. And any verdict from a jury. Is just case by case. Finding. And so whether to amplify that. And make it mean something larger. Was just the jurors that day. And what they found. Based on the facts presented. I just wanted to bring that out. Madam Mayor. Because obviously. That particular jury. For this particular case. Value. In that system. In. A method of accountability. A method for folks to. In fact. Get agile. To have those tools available. And for fostering. Public safety. In Ravelli County. Thank you. And I do know. That the county's budget. For their pre-trial supervision. Which does include. Some GPS monitoring. Some drug and alcohol testing. Is a cost of. Over $1,800 per person. If the council. Wanted to appropriate. And find a large amount. Of new funds. And for us to sit down together. As a community. And say. What are the evidence-based. Best practices. That are moving the needle. To keep people. Safe. When they are released. During the pendency of the case. We would. Be open to that conversation. But it's an expensive one. Okay. Thank you very much. For the. For the Q&A. For the additional. Information. Any last. Questions from council. Before we hear. A motion. And then public comment. Okay. Not seeing any additional. Questions. I will look to. Counselor Savage. To make the motion. Please. All right. I move that we. Approve. Creating. Three new. Full-time. Equivalent. Positions. For the municipal. For the municipal. Court. Using funds. That exist. Within the professional. Services line. Of the budget. Okay. Thank you very much. And with that. Is there any public. Comment on this agenda item. Any public. Comment on this agenda item. All right. Not seeing any. In the room. Just want to make sure. We. Give the opportunity. For folks that are. Participating online. To see if there's. Anybody online. That wishes. To make public comment. On this agenda item. Okay. I'm not seeing any online. So that does wrap up. Our public comment. We'll bring it back. To council. Questions. And we'll start with. Councilor Cheryl. Please. Yeah. Thanks. I don't have any questions. I appreciate. Carrie's willingness. To answer some of my questions. In between. Because I did have questions. About this. Coming out of the committee. And I also appreciate. That we're here. And having a full conversation. Because we did get. Get a little press for time. To me. This is a. Budget neutral proposal. It is going to avoid. A gap in coverage. And you know. It's a program. That potentially. Reduces. The time. That. You know. It reduces. The trial time. So. To me. It moves cases. Through the system. And I. Once I understood. What was being asked. And how the money. Was going to be used. And the. Difficulty. Of having a gap in coverage. And what that would. Potentially mean. To me. It became a no brainer. That I was. I was going to vote yes. For this tonight. And that's what I intend on doing. Thank you for your comments. Councilor Cheryl. Councilor Nugent. Thank you. Mayor Davis. I. Appreciate. You know. Departments. Coming up with. With new ways. To be efficient. And. If. The municipal court. Feels like they can do this better in house. I have no problem. Supporting that. I think the conversation. Has been interesting. Both right now. And then I was able to. To watch the committee. But I wasn't able to be there. So apologies. For that. And I think that. A lot of the questions. About. The. Success rates. And the pre. Pre-trial supervision. Are. Interesting. And ultimately. It comes down to. The municipal court. Now owns this. And. You know. The decisions. Been made. By. Those three judges. Elected by. The. City residents. To bring this in house. And if something's not working. Ultimately. It's. It's. Up to the judges. And I appreciate. And I appreciate their willingness. To. Look at something differently. And. I don't actually. Think we will see. Much of a difference. Between. The ultimate outcome. Because I. I don't think the average citizen. Really understands. What. This even is. Unless they're involved. In the. In the court system. So. You know. If. If some of the questions. That have been raised. Do. You know. Show some sort of issue. I anticipate. That. The court. Will be happy. To answer questions. On that. And. You know. I think. Also. It's. It's worth noting. And I don't think. That it was. Misconstrued in here at all. But. The. The city. Isn't paying for. Nights in jail. It's the broader. Taxpayer. And I think. Counselor Jordan. Explained that. When she said. That it's us. All as county residents. Because that's absolutely true. It's just coming from. The county budget. Not the city budget. So if anyone's. Listening along. That's the nuance there. But if you're a resident. Of the county of Missoula. You are. Are paying for that. So. Thank you very much. For your comments. Counselor Nugent. Counselor Campbell. Thank you. Madam Mayor. So I guess. So I guess. In light of the conversation. I heard tonight. My understanding. Of. Line items. Are going to be shifted. To. Personal services. I guess. I personally feel satisfied. That. Is a. Budget neutral. Type item. For them. At this point. Anyway. I had concern. It just. Seemed to be. Talked about. In committee. That the. Map. Didn't quite. Add up. For the 268,000. They were asking for. The numbers. I was seeing here. But I think. Through. Q&A. We had tonight. Got some clarity. On that. So. Being that the case. From a fiscal standpoint. It would appear. To make sense. So I will be in support. Of this. But I'll. With my understanding. And. Point for it. I'll be watching. From fiscal year 27. I would suspect. You know. That line item. 350. And line item. 700. Will cease to exist. If they're still there. Then that's a conversation. At that point in time. In time. I'll. Thank you. Councillor Campbell. And. Councillor Jordan. Yeah. Thank you. I just think. This is really exciting. Conversations. Have been. Ongoing. Since. At least. 2019. About bringing. Pretrial services. In house. From Missoula. Correctional services. For a variety. Of reasons. And. I think it's really exciting. To see that. Municipal court. Is going to. Be directly involved. In providing those services. I think. That's something. That. Often gets forgotten. Is that. Sometimes. We just can't. Fine. And fee. And jail people. Out of certain. Types of things. Related to. Supportive services. And so. In essence. By providing. These additional services. We're going to be able. To get people. Out of the criminal legal system. Anyway. While still providing. Safety for our community. And making sure. That the unintended consequences. Of the criminal legal system. Don't. Keep people. In the criminal legal system. So I think. This is just really inciting. It's in line with. Best practices. And tons of peer reviewed. Published research. About. How to. Keep a community safe. Cut costs. And ensure people. Get through the criminal legal system. Quickly. So this is super cool. Happy to support this. And. Very creative budgeting. Well done. All right. Thank you for your comments. Counselor Jordan. And that looks like. It wraps up. Counsel comments. So we'll go ahead. And do a roll call. Vote. For this agenda item. Please. All right. Voting on the. Resolution to approve. Creating three. New full-time. Equivalent. Positions. For the municipal court. Using funds. That exist within. The professional services. Line of the budget. Beginning with. Campbell. Yes. Rask. Yes. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Aye. Melson. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Fontan. Yes. Savage. Yes. Cheryl. Yes. Anderson. Ah. Yes. Sorry. Yes. Thank you. Anderson votes yes. And Becerra. Yes. And that item also passes unanimously. Excellent. Thank you all very much. Carrie. Thanks for coming down. And providing the presentation. And Stephen. Thanks for coming in. And joining in for your work. Hope you both have a nice evening. Thank you. All right. That wraps up our regular business. Any items under our committee reports. We'll next move on to agenda item number 11. Which is the second installment of public comment for items not on the agenda. So if there is anybody that has not had a chance to provide public comment this evening. And wishes to do that now. You're welcome to come up to the podium. Please share your name for the record. And I'll keep time for three minutes up here now. Anybody for public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Good evening. My name is Catherine. Kathy Scribner. I live in Missoula. I've been a resident here for just about 20 years. I'm commenting in response to the Midtown Commons project. And proposed park that is going in our area town. I live on Harv Avenue. I've lived there quite a while. And I'm just going to read what I wrote. Because I think it's easier. Concerning the growth. Which is a natural area. And the only actual natural area in our part of town. I think some of my fellow folks in our little group spoke earlier. So I'm just going to start. It's always interesting how stories are told. Depending on the perspectives of the teller and the listener. Recently, the Missoula Current ran a story with a headline. With up to 250 housing units, Midtown Commons wins city support. City referring to whom exactly? You guys, city council, private citizens, businesses, taxpayers, all of us. Because for those of us who live in the vicinity of the 13- acre proposed development adjacent to Southgate Mall. Otherwise known, and it is on the books, as the blighted end of town. We don't necessarily consider this huge development a big win. Far from it. We are in fact bracing for the onslaught of more traffic. And the dangers that come with it. Pavement. Noise. Light trash. Increased heat in the already hottest part of town. And perhaps the most heartbreaking of all. The proposed destruction of the only little bit of natural habitat we have left. It's a small public easement that comprises greenway established shade trees and a wildlife corridor. And it's a beloved oasis and source of respite for both locals and visitors alike. And we call it the Grove. Due to the current housing crisis, we all understand the need for more housing in Missoula. I especially understand that working in the housing community. Especially affordable housing. But what we, some of us residents, don't understand is the pushback. Why maybe the city isn't listening more pointedly to our ecological, our concerns regarding the ecology of our little natural habitat. That we're not being taken seriously in the most unders erved, overpaved neighborhoods. Where our homes are already squashed between commercial businesses and the massive traffic on Route, on, sorry, Reserve Street and Highway 93. So what we're being told is that we need a cookie cutter park. Another park that's in the hottest area of Missoula. Where there will be no shade except for a pavilion. Merely 15 feet adjacent to a lineage of mature cottonwood trees. Oops, is that too long? That's three minutes. You're welcome to submit your comments. If I can just summarize real quickly. What I'm thinking here, guys, is we have a really unique opportunity to create an interpretive park that incorporates both natural habitat that's beautiful, it's there, as well as open park space. Perhaps there's a bridge we can put over it. Because as we all know, kids need to play outside in natural habitat. They build forts there already. It's also become... Thank you, Kathy. I want to go ahead and wrap you up there. All right. I'm just also saying... As a chaplain, I'm just appealing to you. It's a sacred place. It has become that. And I will just say, sacred places are not born of random events. But they're intentional moments shared between individuals and place. That's a sacred place. I please encourage you to... I'm going to send this online. But just encourage you to come check it out. Thank you. Thank you very much for coming down to share your comments. Anybody else that hasn't had a chance to share a public comment this evening that are items that are not on the agenda? Okay. Quickly look online to see if we have anybody there that wishes to make public comment for items that are not on the agenda. All right. Not seeing any. That does wrap up our public comment for items not on the agenda. I'll move on to communications from the mayor and have an exciting update about our Rivara project. And I sure wish that some of the folks that come down and make public comment at the beginning of our meeting would stick around for comments from the mayor and council so they could hear updates on some of these things. But it's understandable. People have busy lives. And so it's just a function of the way that our schedule is set for city council meetings. So I'll mention again that the Midtown Commons will be in its public approval process. And there is a land use and planning committee this Wednesday. You heard it at the beginning of the meeting. It is at the public. Excuse me. It is at our land use and planning committee 1245 to 245. Gosh, I hope you could make that committee. One of the things that, you know, and especially hearing some public comment that was just made, our director of parks and recreation will be there to talk about not only the natural pollinator gardens, but also the way in which the biomimicry has influenced and informed the part of the site design. So it's what's considered a hybrid park. This is a description that's in our PROST plan, and it is something that is an element of the complete park that has been also identified in our PROST plan, which is when a park meets all elements of social, cultural , physical, and natural elements. Real happy that we've been able to increase the size of the park there to larger than a football field, which is really awesome for that size of development. And it is different than what's there today, most certainly . But it is certainly no afterthought. In fact, an incredible amount of thought and professional skill and public input went into that park. The other thing I'll mention, and unfortunately those public commenters did have to leave this evening, but if folks go back and watch the Missoula Redevelopment Agency presentation or come to the Land Use and Planning Committee on Wednesday, you'll hear the staff presentation in which attainable housing and some, I think people get confused between what 's affordable. And I can tell you, after a career in affordable housing, it is confusing. Are we talking about deed-restricted affordable housing, like the City Council funded this evening with home CDBG and affordable housing trust fund dollars? Or are we talking about encouraging lowercase affordable housing, in which case is not necessarily deed-restricted, but is attainable to the workforce? Something that was said during that meeting, and I just want to make sure nobody leaves confused tonight, is that this housing is absolutely intended for the workforce. What was said at that meeting is that workforce housing program through the Missoula Redevelopment Agency won't be used to subsidize the housing units. I just want to make sure I say that tonight. I will say that again at our Land Use and Planning Committee, and again at the 18th when we're back in front of City Council for final approval. But it is a really important note to make, because it certainly is for our workforce. And we're really proud of that fact. We're proud of the fact that we're able to find a private developer to be able to create a diverse set of housing types that meet a whole host of things, including elevator service buildings that folks that need accessible and adapt able apartments will be able to access. On the housing note, real happy today to be able to travel to Helena to provide testimony for Franklin Crossing. Midtown Commons, in fact, will be able to support additional increment in the Urban Renewal District 3 to be able to achieve one of the largest affordable housing , capital A affordable housing projects, in Missoula's history. And certainly as far as cities' participation. This is 193 deed-restricted affordable homes financed through the housing tax credit program. It's a very competitive process. It was phase one today. Council President Nugent and I traveled over with Grant Ke ir from Missoula Economic Partnership. We were joined by Melanie Brock and others who were in Helena as well to support this project. And that is something that is very exciting and we are fingers crossed. But I will tell you there was quite a bit of enthusiasm from that board. They'll make a vote tomorrow on whether that project moves forward to the next level, which is actually getting invited to apply. And then after that, there's additional approvals and a final approval of that project in October. Should we be so lucky? And then the last thing I'll mention, and I hope people tell their friends. And gosh, again, I'm sorry that some of our public comment ers that talk about the benefit of community land trusts aren't here. Because our partnership with Front Step, which is formerly known as the North Missoula Community Land Trust, they have been rolling out and doing public outreach for the Scott Street Rivara housing development. And now are taking applications with a due date of May 22nd for the affordable homeownership opportunities and the permanently attainable homes through this community land trust model. If you yourself or somebody you know is interested in this opportunity for a studio, a one-bedroom, or a two-bedroom, prices range between $176,000 and $287,000. These income-qualified homes are available to buyers earning up to 120% of the area median income. Please just go to, and that's about approximately $94,000 for a household of two. So if you wish to see additional information, you can go to Scott Street Rivara on the city's website or go right to Front Step. And there's an application there. Again, those applications are due by May 22nd. I hope folks take advantage of this. I will also say that thank you to the city council and to the city for substantial investment in those community land trust homes. That is available through the workforce housing program of Missoula Redevelopment Agency to the tune of $3 million to make that possible. And I'm very excited to see what will happen for these home buyers once they move in. And so with that, I'll go ahead and hand it over to the council for your comments this evening. And I'll start with you, Vice President Savage. Thank you very much. No, I just, all I will say is that I am, I'm just still so impressed with that Rivera project and super excited about it. I was hiking up in the North Hills this weekend and looking down, seeing all of those things sort of rise up. It's just been, it's been a really great thing to see. That's all I really have to say. Excellent. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Councilor Ponton. Thanks, Mayor Davis. I will pass tonight. Thank you. You bet. Councilor Kresk. Thanks. I'll also pass. All right. Councilor Melson. As will I. All right. Thank you. Councilor Jordan. Pass. Thank you. You bet. Councilor McCoy. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I wanted to take just a brief second to express my appreciation for our colleague, Mr. Campbell, this evening. I feel like we got an opportunity to see Councilor Campbell pose some tough questions, push back, as well as transition and change his position compared to Wednesday. And to me, that is a significant, like, active leadership, being able to shift, being able to learn and make that determination in the moment. And I just wanted to, you know, extend appreciation to you, Bob. And I always appreciate the way you attack details, the way you bring up the budget. But I also think it speaks very loudly in a time when people are burrowing in to agendas based on ideology to see somebody push back against something, learn, see the facts and transition. So, thanks. Thank you for holding that gracious space, Councilor McCoy. And Councilor Anderson. Thanks so much, Madam Mayor. Just quickly, I'm going to say congratulations to all of the graduates to the season. So, I attended NSU's graduation last weekend. So, exciting times for many, many thousands of people across. I know. Totally, yes. Go, Grace. Absolutely. You know, blue and maroon and silver. But, yes, did get dragged down to MSU. But congratulations to all the graduates. But, yeah, I just, thanks so much, Madam Mayor, for bringing up the Rovara Project. Because I think that I have had the opportunity of being on Council for a little while now. And literally have seen that project go through from just initial concept, trying to, you know, make sure that we get the last bits of it cleaned up, to now being able to, you know, think about people actually purchasing homes and starting there and continuing their lives there. And how, I mean, there's constant push and pull of the immediacy of the now and how long things take. But they do happen. And change is coming. And it's just really exciting to think that that once was a mill site and all the extra attention that was put into there to make sure that it was cleaned up beyond what the initial EPA standards were going to be in hopes that someday people could call that area home. And now those applications are due for those people that kind of once were just sort of kind of a random thought of in the future. So, you know, there are no easy solutions. Because if there were, we would have done them by now. But thoughtful planning and working together and working with creative developers like those at Rovara do actually move the needle and slowly but surely. So, appreciate you highlighting that. And I'm really excited to see some of those folks, you know , moving in and calling those places home. Excellent. Thank you, Councillor Anderson. Councillor Campbell. Yes. Thank you, Madam Mayor. First of all, thank you, Councillor McCoy, for those comments. You know, it doesn't happen all the time, but sometimes, you know, you look at totality over circumstance and just oppose against your personal philosophy and time to time. You know, it's keeping an open mind on things and arriving at, you know, a decision, a logical decision that may not be fully in line with, you know, your thoughts and feelings on things. But you see an opportunity for, you know, greater good. So, tonight was, you know, such an opportunity. So, appreciate that. A couple other comments just really quick. First of all, I would like to recognize is almost the end of National. National. Oh, I'm sorry. I think she left. But National Nurses Week ends tomorrow. I bring that up. Just a shout out to my stepdaughter, Christina, the RN up in Whitefish practicing. And also, my son, Justin, the CCRN in the Army in Kuwait, as we speak right now, serving and doing his job. And we'll be over there. And so, just a shout out to those two and to nurses, General, wherever you are. You know, thank you for what it is you all do. Then, secondly, it's also the beginning of National Police Week here in May. And we honor our fallen officers across the United States. And it culminates this Friday with the memorial service, if you're able to attend at Rose Park, 6 p.m., for annual law enforcement memorial service to honor the fallen officers. Here in Missoula County over the years. So, if you get an opportunity to go out there, always have a good speaker. And give due honor to those that have fallen in the line of duty here in Missoula County. Thank you. Thank you very much for making that announcement. I appreciate that. Thank you, Councillor Campbell. And, Councillor Scherr. I'm going to pass, but I wanted to just say I appreciate your comments earlier. Thank you. Councillor Nugent. Thank you, Mayor. I would just echo a little bit of what you said. Being in Helena to help kind of advocate for the Franklin Crossing project at the Montana Board of Housing was an experience. And it's always interesting to be there. And I don't need to tell you this because you worked in this world for, well, I guess somebody on the board said millions of years. But a long time is what I'll say. But I was struck because the project that Franklin Crossing has that the city has been working on, but also there was another project from Missoula that Homer and the YWCA, excuse me, have been working on or applying for the higher threshold of housing tax credits. We're both projects that group a lot of kind of partners together to try and solve community issues. And the support that particularly Franklin Crossing had from not only the group putting it together, the housing authority and so on, but also myself and the mayor were there, MEP, Midtown. It struck me that, you know, there are good things happening in Missoula. And I remember, you know, years ago when you and I were sitting here during our campaigns and we had the mayoral debate and we were kind of jokingly going back and forth about which project was at the time one of the largest low- income housing tax credits in Montana's history, the Trinity Project from Homeward or the Villaggio Project that came through the Housing Authority. And then since then, you know, the city has been part of Rivara, which is the largest community land trust project in the state's history, at least publicly funded one that we can think of. And Franklin's Crossing will be another one that's right up there on that threshold. So that's all in the last decade. And it struck me at the housing board that most of the other communities in Montana would love to have the, I guess, problems of being, having so many people in the community trying to help solve and work together and build partnerships. And what sometimes I think is miscast as negative from public commenters who may be well-intentioned but don't completely understand some of the way that these projects come together are sources of great jealousy from other parts of the state because there are so many partners willing to work together to help solve problems. And I think that Missoula should be proud of that. And we should continue to try and, you know, put the right people together to meet kind of the issues where they're at . A lot of the comments that we've heard lately have talked about, you know, market rate, like it's not affordable. And I think that it's kind of missing the bigger picture. There's two types of housing problems that we're trying to look at at the same time. There's people who need deeply affordable income-restricted housing. And then there's people who make too much to qualify for income-restricted housing but still can't necessarily afford median-priced homes. And so when people say market rate, I think there's a tendency to think it's million-dollar homes when the reality is, you know, median literally means middle. And so there's prices, homes priced above the median, and then there's homes priced below the median. And everything that we've heard about the Midtown Commons project is that that developer is aiming to create a lot of for-purchase home ownership opportunities below the median price point. And that is a niche that needs it. And we've heard a lot of people talk about nurses and police officers and firefighters. And a constituent sent me that the starting salary at MCPS is $50,000, so more than what was said in public comment tonight. But I'm sure that if you maybe look at the data more broadly, it might be there. But the point is that we cannot forget about those folks who are struggling to afford houses in Missoula but aren't going to qualify for subsidized housing. And that is part of what we are tasked to solve. That's part of what the state legislature has asked for us to solve. And that's why when you look at what we have going on in Missoula right now, the Midtown project is one of many. And you've got to look at it with Midtown, with Franklin Crossing, with Rivara. And the city has tried to do that, kind of meet everybody where that, try and create opportunities for all sorts of people. And we'll obviously go into this a lot more in committee this week and then at council on Monday. But I just think it's important for people to maybe recognize that, you know, that term missing middle that gets thrown around is the type of housing that we're looking at at this Midtown project. And it is really aimed at that group that is making too much to qualify for subsidies but still can't afford to live in Missoula. And that's a real group. And, you know, a lot of the public comment kind of implies that the only way to reach that group is to make it capital A affordable or income restricted. But that group won't qualify. So it's this kind of huge question of how do we solve that. And I think I look forward to the conversations this week. And I'm always happy to discuss this more. But I am going to make sure and kind of correct the record on some of these conversations. And I wish that some of the people that engage with us could be here and hear some of that. But hopefully on Wednesday we get that chance. And with that, I'll wrap it up because I know I've gone longer than some of my colleagues would want me to already. So I appreciate your reflections. Thank you very much, Councillor. All right. And Councillor Becerra, just checking in, see if you have any comments this evening. I will pass. Thank you. Yeah, you bet. Absolutely. All right. Well, with that, that does wrap up our general comments from city council members. I will adjourn the meeting this evening at 8.08 p.m. Thank you very much. Thanks for the public coming down tonight. And thank you all, Council. 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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, excellent folks. I'm going to go ahead and get our meeting started. Call the meeting to order at 6.02 p.m. Welcome to the April 27th Missoula City Council meeting. And before we get started with our agenda, if you'll join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, please. All right. Thank you very much. Ms. Trimble, will you do a roll call, please? Absolutely. Good evening. Roll call beginning with Anderson. Present. Becerra. Present. Campbell. Here. Krask. Absent. Absent. Jones. Present. Jordan. Present. McCoy. Here. Nelson. Nelson. Present. Nugent. Present. Anton. Present. Savage. Present. And Cheryl. Present. All right. We do have a quorum. Thank you very much. We have minutes from April 20th, 2026. Any council questions or suggested changes for those minutes? Not seeing any of those will remain as submitted. Thank you. Committee schedule for April 29th is coming Wednesday, 2026 . Claire? No changes to the posted committee schedule. We are beginning at 10 a.m. and going until 1.30. I'm sorry, until almost 3 o'clock. Great. All right. Thank you very much. Next, we'll move on to special presentations and proclam ations. We do not have any neighborhood council updates this evening, but we do have two proclamations. The first proclamation is for Better Speech and Hearing Month. Whereas communication is a fundamental part of human connection, learning, and participation in everyday life. And whereas hearing, speech, and language disorders affect millions of people of all ages and can impact education, employment, relationships, and overall quality of life. And whereas early identification and intervention for hearing, speech, and language concerns can significantly improve communication outcomes and long-term success. And whereas audiologists, hearing instrument specialists, and speech-language pathologists play a vital role in diagnosing, treating, and supporting individuals with hearing and communication challenges. And whereas raising awareness about hearing health, regular hearing evaluations, and access to communication services help individuals stay connected to the people and sounds that matter most. Now, therefore, I, Andrea Davis, Mayor in the City of Missoula and the State of Montana, thereby recognize the month of May, 2026, as Better Speech and Hearing Month. Thank you. And then we also have a second proclamation this evening, and it is in regards to Public Employees Service Recogn ition Week. All right. Whereas Missoulians are served every day by public employees at the federal, state, county, and city levels, and these unsung heroes do the work that keeps our nation working. And whereas public employees embody the spirit of service and through their work provide protection and care, keep our community orderly, and continuously strive to improve the quality of life for others. And whereas public employees, and the public employees day in and day out, provide the diverse services demanded by the people of their government with efficiency and integrity. And whereas this week serves to highlight the accomplishments of the dedicated employees who work tirelessly on behalf of all citizenry and who rarely get the credit they deserve. And whereas the City of Missoula values the commitment of public employees, working for the betterment of the community. Now, therefore, I, Andrea Davis, Mayor of the City of Missoula and the State of Montana, hereby recognize May 3rd through 9th, 2026, as Public Employee Service Recognition Week. I'd like to be the first in the room here to recognize those public employees that are joining us this evening. Thank you so much for your incredible service. And also for those that may be listening and not listening. Thank you so much for your incredible service. And I hope that folks in the audience have an opportunity to recognize someone they might know that is working in public service and to thank them anytime, but especially next week. Thank you. All right. That does wrap up our proclamations. Next, we'll move on to public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Thank you, Ms. Trimble. The first period of public comment on items that are not on the agenda is limited to 20 minutes total with up to three minutes allotted per speaker. Each person may speak once per meeting concerning items not on the agenda. In-person comments take precedence. Sign-up is required and follows a first-come, first-served basis. The second period of public comment on items not on the agenda will follow immediately after the conclusion of all regular business and continue until public comment has been taken. So with that, we'll go ahead and start with our public comment. For folks that did sign up, and we've got Danielle Petri as our first person. Please come on up to the microphone. I'll go ahead and turn the mic on, even though I said your name. If you'll say your name for the record, I appreciate that. And I'll go ahead and time your three minutes here. Hi, everyone. Danielle Petri, disgruntled downtown business owner, as I've been introducing myself. I previously came to you all with my concerns about the Higgins diet, and those concerns still stand. Anytime this safety, access, and mobility for cyclists project comes up, I feel this deep sense of grief. It's a grief of losing our vibrant downtown. And for what? Making downtown safer for everyone makes so much sense. And I would give up a lot of things if we could improve the safety of our downtown. But I've expressed my concerns about this project actually making downtown less safe, and those concerns still stand. I'm happy to talk more about those concerns with anyone who will listen, but I only have three minutes today, so I'm not going to revisit those concerns right now. I spent most of today going back through the recordings of city council meetings regarding this project dating back to three years, February 2023. I don't think three hours will give me enough time to talk about all my thoughts, so today I'm just going to talk about kind of what's coming up next for the project and my concerns with that. So everyone in this room is pretty aware, I think, of the vast amount of opposition for the Higgins Diet. But a common rebuttal to those of us that complain is, well, this is federal funding. We have federal funding for this project. I previously made a comment that the project might be underfunded and excess costs are going to fall on the shoulders of local taxpayers. Through the past few months, many aspects of the project have been reassigned to the MRA for later projects with local tax money as completely separate projects, improving the lighting downtown, bulb outs at some of the intersections, an accessible sidewalk from Patty down to Karis Park. These things were all supposed to be part of the federal grant money, and now they are going to be a separate taxpayer-funded entity. This past Friday, the working group meeting, at that meeting, the Public Works openly admitted they're vastly underfunded for this project, and that they will be asking the MRA to provide additional funding on top of the $1 million that MRA has already contributed. You'll recall the last time I addressed city council, I proposed limiting the project area maybe just to the hip strip to reduce costs. As I was going through these old recordings, I noticed that most comments in favor of the project are directed to specifically the unsafe area of the hip strip south of the river. The area north of the Bear Tracks Bridge was rarely even mentioned among safety concerns. So one might wonder, why don't they take my advice and limit the scope of the project to stay within budget? Seems like a lot of people would be happy with that solution. Well, I might have an answer to the question. The hip strip is not part of an urban renewal district, meaning the MRA cannot provide tax increment financing funds if the project does not encompass the area north of the river. That's unfortunate, and I don't know where we go from here, but what I do know is the project leaders are going to be asking us, local taxpayers, for more funding to complete this project at some point, and I hope that city council will get the vote on those additional funds. And they've already made claims that these funds won't be pulled from other projects and local taxes won't increase, but I don't know how one can make those claims. Does TIF money grow on trees? If so, hope it's not one of the downtown trees that are going to be eliminated. I'm bringing you this information in advance so that you'll have time to talk to your constituents and get a better feel for what people think about this project. There's an open house tomorrow from 4.30 to 6.30 in the Florence building downtown, and I hope to see you all there. Thank you. Thank you very much, Danielle. Appreciate that. All right. Next up for public comment is Sean McGurn. McGurn? McGurn? McGurn. All right. Excellent. Thanks. Mayor Davis and esteemed city council members, thank you for this opportunity to speak to you guys. My name is Sean McGur and I'm one of the leaders of the North Star Tenants Union. We represent the residents of the North Star Trailer Court here at 740 Turner Street in Missoula. Our union was formed with over 90% of our residents in favor of doing so. residents who are blue-collar workers, nurses, teachers, retirees on fixed incomes. We are reaching out to request and dealing with our stewardship of our park by Plum Property Management. Under their stewardship, our rent has tripled in under four years. Many of our residents can no longer afford these continued increases. We are at risk of facing more homelessness and some of them and some of them are even going into low-income housing. Furthermore, Plum has consistently neglected essential maintenance of our park. We have dying and overgrown trees. Branches are falling on our roofs and on our vehicles and pose a threat to safety to our children in that neighborhood. We also have a feral cat colony that is growing out there. We have reached out to Plum about this. Whenever we reach out to them, we are met with silence. Plum's indifference to the well-being of its residents is unacceptable, especially as Missoula faces a housing crisis. We are committed to securing our residents' homes for the future. We just ask for your help in bringing Plum Property Management to the negotiating table. I respectfully request that the mayor and members of this committee sign a letter requesting that Plum Property Management meet us at the negotiating table for meaningful conversations. We need to resolve our issues. Your support has already proven vital in the success that Travos Village is seeing right now. We are also asking for that same help. It'll be vital in our resolution. I thank you for your time. Thank you for coming down and making comments this evening, Sean. Right. Next up is CJ Taylor. CJ. Hi, I'm CJ Taylor and I am also on the leadership team at Missoula North Star Tenant Union and I have a lot and I have a lot to say that is the same as what Sean says but I want to talk about what we've done in the community to address these needs where we feel abandoned and neglected. In the last four years our rent started at under $300 and is now at $800 a month. This does not include our mortgages, our utilities, or other housing costs and we are both renters and homeowners. We are responsible for maintaining our homes and the lots while we keep facing these rent increases. We have come together as a community and our leadership team meets weekly to ensure every voice is heard. We have contacted Plum Property Management multiple times. We have went to their office which is not open to the public. We have put our letters on their door. We have sent them certified mail and we have been completely stonewalled. Our next step we took was to try to get a hold of the person that is on the deed as the registered agent for our community whose name is Shane Reilly and we have got minimal response from him. We have even showed up at his office. With that there's a lot of positive that have come from this. Our community is now neighbors helping neighbors and we have started teams of neighbors that are committed to small projects besides the leadership team. We have a cleanup and maintenance team that is committed to beautifying the park. We have a gardening team and we are all helping each other in ways that our property management has. Many of us have committed to helping with the bigger picture and are now members of the Missoula Ten-Inch Union. This issue goes far beyond North Star Trailer Park. It reflects a broader problem in Missoula that needs your attention. We absolutely cannot continue to pay these increases year after year. It is now $800 a month for just the land our homes sit on and that is not sustainable on a fixed income. This is part of keeping housed people from becoming a part of the unhoused population. Thank you, CJ. Thank you very much for your comments. All right. Janice Dahmer? Dahmer? Palmer? Dahmer! Janice Dahmer, come on up. Good evening. My name is Janice Dahmer. I'm also a member of the leadership team of the North Star Tenants Union and I want to talk to you a little bit about our why. So I'm writing to you or speaking to you, I guess I should say, not just as a resident, but as someone who is increasingly unsure how much longer I can afford to remain in the place I call home. I live in a truly special neighborhood, one filled with families, single parents doing everything they can to make ends meet, and an aging population who have built their lives here over decades. This is a place where children laugh and play in the streets, where neighbors look out for one another, and where community is not just a word, but something we live by every day. That stability is being strained to a breaking point. Housing costs have risen to a level that is no longer manageable for many of us. What used to be tight but possible has become overwhelming. Some residents are now facing impossible decisions, choosing between paying rent and affording basic necessities like food. This is not a distant concern, it's a daily reality. We are not asking to stay out of convenience, we're struggling to stay because we cannot afford not to. The reality is that moving is not a solution. The cost of relocating is out of reach, and there are few if any affordable alternatives available. For many of us, there's nowhere else to go. We are caught in a situation where staying is becoming unaffordable, and leaving is not financially possible either. This is not sustainable. If this continues, our neighborhood will not be able to hold together, not because people want to leave, but because they are being priced at the very place that they have helped build. The families, the seniors, the connections that make this community strong. All of it is at risk of being slowly dismantled. We love our homes, but more than that, we love our neighbors. We love the sense of belonging, the support, and the shared life that exists here. That's what we're trying to hold on to. We are asking you urgently to take action. Please help us address the rising cost of housing in a way that allows people to remain in their homes and communities. We need solutions that reflect the reality we are living in right now, because without action, it is not a question of if people will be forced out. It is a question of when. Please do not let that happen. Thank you for your time. Thanks for coming down tonight, Janice. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. All right. Carrie Schreiber, come on up. Hello. Good to see you all this evening. Last week, I called in with some concerns around the magnitude of the MRA expenditures, expenditures, and what I presented was dismissed as like a non-truth or incorrect, and so I came in person this week to show what I was working with here. This is from your class. This is from the City Government Academy, and it's showing the, I can't be in two places at once here, operating funds expenditures, and it shows how the MRA is at 14.4% of that, but the police is at 13.1%, fire at 12 point something, plus that levy that's just under 3%. So the MRA expenditures truly are comparable to the size of our police and our fire department, and I think what a lot of us have been asking for is more transparency, education, information with the public about how this money is being spent and how it's being allocated. And yeah, that was just really hard to be coming in good faith with well-researched information that came from your guys' class and have that be dismissed as not accurate. So the first time I came and spoke with you all, I know we have some new faces since then, I stated that I wanted to be an asset, that I'm very invested in my community, and that is still true. And by doing things like taking your classes, I'm trying to educate myself to have meaningful conversations with you all. And I don't know what adding 93 acres to a urban renewal district will do to these type of percentages, but for today I just wanted to clear my name, I guess, after how everything went down last week. Thank you. Thanks for coming down tonight, Ms. Schreiber. All right, David Everingham. Come on up. David Everingham, this is Flipside. Scott Street, affordable housing, 89 houses, 24 apartments, ready now. Missoula has 73,000 people. 0.15% of Missoulians can obtain these. Our efforts are good to build affordable housing, but 0.15% is a drop in the bucket. The new owners of Scott Street properties will get a great deal. No taxes will ever be paid on the land in the trust, and only partial taxes on the structure because $12 million and $6 million of TIF money paid for the land and infrastructure. North Reserve Urban Renewal District is making payments on their land and streets. In turn, it depletes total city tax revenue. In turn, we pay more in taxes. 2025, the city took $1.98 million from MRA for the deficit. Since 2019, MRA has reimbursed $25 million to five taxing jurisdictions. Since 2020, my total property taxes increased from $6,000 to $8,600. City taxes alone increased $800 in five years, not including SIDs. In five years, parks SIDs went from $120 to $460. Roads SIDs increased from $260 to $460. Seven SIDs total went from $475 to $1,090 in five years. I had one SID when I moved in in 2007. Thankfully, I'm an outside the mountain lion SID alone. Missoula City property taxes increased 17% in 2024 and 3.4% in 2025. MRA took in $9.3 million in revenue. Urban renewal district three alone, not including five other districts. They say the state is to blame. SIDs are local MRAs. MRAs' debt maintenance in 2025 was $6 million. Plans for Franklin Crossing 200 affordable units at $67 million and $9.7 million in TIF is moving forward. That property has been off the tax rolls nine years as 45 empty city owned acres are. Bad business move. Renters, grocery stores, mechanics, dentists, people in trailer courts, and homeowners raised local taxes and SIDs increased prices across the board. Local inflation for all, affordable housing for 0.15% of our populace. Quit raising my SIDs. Thank you. Thank you, David. Thank you for serving on the board and Mayor, thanks. Thank you. Thanks for coming down tonight. All right. That does wrap up everybody that is on the list. We have about three minutes left. If there's anybody that wishes to make public comment for items that are not on the agenda, please come on up. And you will be the last in this particular slot and then we will have another opportunity later on in the meeting. All right. Hello, esteemed council members and mayor. My name is Chris Kennedy, K-E-N-N-E-D-Y, and I live in Ward 1. I will just briefly piggyback on what's been said. I hope that support will be given to this project in bringing management to the table for negotiation. And I think just about anyone who's researched TIF at all agrees it needs to be reformed, and I hope that people will continue to come forward and discuss how these funds could be better used. I often come before you urging the ethical thing, in my opinion, and of course there are many city responsibilities that have to be considered. Not today. Today, I am here to announce the Heart of Missoula Block Party, our first block party for the Heart of Missoula Neighborhood Council. It will be May 6th from 530 to 730. Might I add, Double Front Chicken is providing the food. Yes. Music from Mudslide, Charlie. So, unfortunate that no one from Ward 1 has attended today, but hopefully they can make a non-electioneering attendance, and all of you are also welcome. Thank you. Thank you for the invitation. Sounds like a great time, and thank you for being part of your local neighborhood council. All right, that does wrap up our public comment on items that are not on the agenda for this first part of the meeting. Thank you all so much. We'll go ahead and move on. We don't have much of an agenda this evening. We don't have any public hearings or new business, but next up is our consent agenda. So, Ms. Trimble, if you'll share that on screen and then walk us through that, that would be great. All right, we have a relatively short consent agenda compared to last week. Beginning with a motion to approve accounts payable for claims and checks dated April 28, 2026 in the amount of $4,217,690.46. We have a motion to set a public hearing for May 11, 2026 to consider the resolution and adoption of a fee of $1,025 per tree right of way improvement street tree mitigation option one detailed in article 6.2.01-A 5 of the Missoula Unified Development Code. We have another motion to set a public hearing on Monday, May 11th to consider a resolution granting approval of the city of Missoula unified application round year 2026 awarding affordable housing trust fund home investment partnership program home dash ARP home and community development block grants to fund certain organizations directing staff to negotiate contracts and agreements and authorizing the mayor to sign the contracts and agreements with those organizations. And our final item is a motion to appoint Sophia Etie as a large regular member on the Historic Preservation Commission with term beginning immediately and expiring December 31st, 2028. Very good. Thank you very much. Are there any members of the public that wish to make comment on the consent agenda? Anybody in the audience that wishes to make public comment on the consent agenda? Carrie Schreiber, Ward 4, Southgate Triangle. Initial concern about that $1,000 to get out of planting a tree that I don't know that I'll be able to make the May 11th meeting, but that doesn't sit right. Thank you for your comment. Just for the record, it's not to get out of planting a tree. It's to actually facilitate the proper planting of the tree. So it pays for the tree, the staff, all of the work to actually get a tree that will grow in two years of watering. So after many years of not seeing trees planted to where they actually grow, we've found a new way. Yeah. All right. Any other public comment for items that are not on the agenda? Or excuse me, for the consent agenda? All right. Not seeing anybody in the room. Let me just see online. I don't see any hands raised. All right. That wraps up our public comment on the consent agenda. Do any council members wish to abstain or separate any of the items? Not seeing any. Not seeing any. All right. Then we can do a voice vote, Ms. Trimble, on the consent agenda, please. All right. On this evening's consent agenda, all in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. And any opposed? And that passes unanimously. Excellent. All right. Thanks, everybody. Appreciate that. So we do not have any business under agenda item number 10, which is regular business. And so we now move to our second installment of public comment for items that are not on the agenda. This is for folks that have not had a chance to speak in the earlier time slot. And checking in the room first to see. Not seeing anybody wishing to make public comment. I do see somebody online. So phone number ending in 9389, if you could unmute. I'll go ahead and time you for three minutes on this side. Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. But you're pretty faint. So if you could speak right into the phone, I bet we'll have a better chance of hearing all your comments. Go right ahead. Okay. I'll try to speak up. This is Mary Giuliani. And I am calling in just in continuation of the comments that I've heard tonight. I heard four people who spoke up in regards to the concerns that they had about the MRA and the TIF money, our tax increment financing, our tax money, and how that's being spent. I also am, you know, camping in this idea that you yourself suggested, Mayor Davis, back at the City Club meeting in November that spoke about TIF and MRA. You got up and you spoke and you said, it's so important that we're having these conversations as a community and we need to have many more of them so that we can educate people about what's going on. So I guess I'm calling in to be in support of this, it sounds like, community conversation that's happening in regards to asking for more education about TIF and the MRA. And yes, in support of you saying that yourself, Mayor Davis, and just kind of wondering when those conversations will take place. It sounds like there's a lot of interest in the community for them. Thank you. Thank you for your public comment this evening. Great. And I'm not seeing anybody else for public comment on items that are not on the agenda. Great. That wraps up item number 11 then, which again is our public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Real quickly, I'll just, under communications from the Mayor, unfortunately all our folks from North Star aren't here for me to say, hey, great job organizing. There's, I share in their frustration in regards to some of the tools that we as a community and as a state could have seen in place for folks like themselves to be better equipped to even make a market rate offer to purchase their park in ways that helps them be more competitive with regular market sales. And I'll just mention that last week I participated on a housing workshop group with Senator Dave Byrne. He hosts those meetings for folks to try to continue to advance legislative work. I met with President Nugent on that. We talked about some things that are working. One of the things that we talked about at length, actually, was the utilization of our workforce housing program financed through and afforded by tax increment financing. And so their questions for me are, how are you advancing affordable housing? How are you partnering with the private sector? And how are you advancing senior housing? And it was great. I could utilize a couple of our projects, but mostly Franklin Crossing was an excellent example of ways to show how we're utilizing the workforce housing program provided through Missoula Redevelopment Agency to support a number of initiatives. And one of the things that we talked about quite a bit was the efforts that need to really happen at the state level or some state level changes to help protect manufactured housing. The city itself does not have that jurisdiction. And I'm sorry that folks aren't here to hear that because I think until you get into it, you don't really realize sometimes that the city doesn't have that authority. But beyond that, I'm just really happy to hear that people are collectively making things happen in their park. That's very encouraging to hear. And so we'll see what comes of that. In the meantime, I think it's great that we're learning what folks are certainly managing and getting on the level when cost of living, of course, is a real stressor for a lot of people. So with that, I'll conclude my comments and turn it over to city council members. And I'll start with President Nugent. Thank you, Mayor Davis. Just a couple notes. First of all, to address the comments about the MRA, people can go back and watch the video from last week if they want. But I believe what I said, and I looked at the mayor for confirmation, is that that number that that chart represents that you're referencing from the local government academy is combining their revenues, the tax revenues in a year with the other expenditures. And the MRA is different than police and fire in that the direct tax revenues aren't necessarily spent in the year that they're collected because each urban renewal district kind of banks them to then spend on projects that are applied for and approved . There's also bonding on major infrastructure projects like sidewalks in a lot of the urban renewal districts. So the tax revenues in a given year for the MRA are less than both the police department and the fire department. So using the chart that I believe you emailed me after the meeting last week, I can see where that message is out there. And I think that chart probably needs to be corrected a little bit because its implication is a little bit different than what's accurate. But it's still the point being that it's still a large department and people better understanding how those revenues are spent is definitely a good thing. All of the expenditures of the MRA are available on their website. Those meetings are open. The public's invited to be a part of that. And I have seen you at some of those meetings. So I certainly know that the city welcomes that. I wish that the folks from the organized tenants union for the North Star were still here because I would echo the mayor's comments. And I would just call some attention to some realities. Representative Carlin, among others, in the state legislature has put a lot of work into multiple issues around mobile home parks that create unfair environments for the tenants. And he had great success a couple of sessions ago and got some bills passed that actually created some more protections. He worked on trying to do a right of first refusal that would give the tenants the opportunity to purchase in a window if the landlord decided to sell. Unfortunately, what did pass the legislature was vetoed by Governor Gianforte. And I don't know that the environment is going to change this next session. But in between, in the four years since, Missoula has seen significant examples of how transfers of mobile home parks are harming the residents. And there is another example, I think the Missoula covered it last week, the Katuna Lodges, which are not in the city limits, despite what all the public Facebook comments wanted to blame it on. But they're in the county, but they're in the county. But it's really irrelevant from the standpoint that those houses are, those are home ownership opportunities. And they're not even trailers in the traditional sense. They're modular homes that come on a flatbed and do not have an axle and are very difficult to move. They're not designed to be moved more than once. And they're on lease lots. So people own their home, but these leases, the rents just go up and up. And I think it's predatory because they have nowhere to go. And what some of these tenants who testified in front of us tonight are pointing out that, sure, in theory, you can move a mobile home. But it's generally often not, the cost doesn't bear out because, A, finding a place to move it is almost impossible . And above a certain age, it becomes very cost prohibitive to move those units. And so people are getting, they're losing their homes. And, you know, one of the many places the mayor and I crossed paths before we were elected officials was at the state legislature on some of these very, very bills. But I went over to Helena more than once to testify on bills that Representative Carlin sponsored, including the right of first refusal. And I actually went and spoke, I was the only realtor who went and spoke against those bills that I'm aware of and actually called out the Montana Association of Realtors for being wrong on that issue. And I hope that if these bills come back next session, more people will do the same because we're seeing the results. And mobile home courts are some of the most affordable housing that we can still have. And I have some thoughts on how these folks might be able to get in contact. The organizing and the success that I think we're seeing some of these unions have is admirable. But there is no requirement in state law for the landlord to speak with a group. But they have to speak to the individual leaseholders. So if the leaseholder individually reaches out, they can bring a representative with them. But that might be the way to open the door for those conversations. So if somebody wants to reach out to me and have that conversation, I'm happy to have it. And I think that's it for tonight. Thank you for your comments, Councilor Nugent, and clarification. Appreciate that very much. Councilor Cheryl. Yeah, thank you. I'm going to pass tonight other than saying that I appreciate the mayor's comments and that explanation by President Nugent. Councilor Campbell. Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor. So here we are. Once again, I feel compelled to speak to yet another disgraceful action, InterNation's Capitol, this past weekend, an attempted assassination attempt on our president, President of the United States, his staff. You know, a situation where you had hundreds upon hundreds of people into a packed house. You know, who knows where this individual got his motivation to do this action. As I spoke before, in a previous attempt on an assassination of the president of the United States, you know, I think social media, I think 24-hour news cycle and the inflammatory rhetoric that we see continually, almost 24-7 now, just perpetuates this behavior. And, you know, again, I think we as a nation, as a city, as a state, as a nation, need to do some soul searching to, you know, tone down the rhetoric on this, particularly the inflammatory rhetoric on, you know, things that occur, particularly at the national level. I mean, protest, yes, protest, peacefully protest, vote, absolutely. I mean, that's a constitutional way of effecting change with dissatisfaction in government at any level. But to do these sorts of actions extra constitutionally, I think we as a body need to reject that. And, you know, it was just an unfortunate series of events this weekend. I do have to say, though, I absolutely think we should be applauding and commending the work of law enforcement professionals that were there that night, Secret Service, local law enforcement, many layers of law enforcement that are typically present at these gatherings. But, you know, going back to this particular individual, his motivation to carry out this or attempt to carry out the St. This Act shouldn't be tolerated. And, you know, as a body, I feel we need to continue to call that out. I guess one thing I would add, too, while this weekend's actions focus mainly on presidential staff, the president himself and cabinet, you know, it's not lost on me that we're seeing this, you know, across the country at various levels. You know, we've seen it, issues with federal judges being threatened for rulings they give or do not give or, you know, making decisions that they have to make at that level . And, you know, I think that has consequences as well. It has consequences to officials at the state level, officials, any level of government. So it's something we as a country, as I said, need to keep in mind. And, you know, hopefully we could get to a better place. Again, we have midterms coming up. And, you know, if you want to affect change, get on and vote, get on and peacefully protest. But, you know, what happened this past weekend is certainly not the way. Thank you for your comments, Councillor Campbell. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Greatly appreciate my colleagues' comments there. That's some heavy stuff. I'm going to come with a little lighthearted, easier going comment and just remind everybody that our farmers markets opened up this weekend. And so if you'd like to visit either of the farmers markets , please get down there and support your local farmers. Thank you. Thank you for that reminder. Mr. Ponton. Thanks, Mayor Davis. I didn't have anything planned, but I guess just wanted to take a moment and commend you and Council Member Nugent for your comments. Just kind of reflecting back, I grew up here in town in a manufactured home on a lease lot and am intimately familiar with the complexities and the challenges that those residents have to face. So just hats off to the Turner residents for coming down. And also, yeah, definitely worth a shout out that Representative Carlin has done a lot of really good work in this area and hope to just continue working on that. And I just want to say thanks for your remarks and thanks for coming down. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Sarah. I'll pass tonight. Thank you. All right. You bet. I had two things. I also wanted to commend the folks for coming down, and I do appreciate all the work that they've done there. I also grew up in a similar community, and I know how hard that can be and how hard it can be to get people to listen. So I appreciate them coming down. I also want to say happy birthday to Councilor Nugent. I know he didn't want me to say that, but there he is. Happy birthday. Well done. Well done. All right. Councilor Jones. I got my birthday passed to you guys, so I'm feeling pretty good about that. But, Mike, you're on the spot. Bob, I want to appreciate your comments. I think it comes from all corners these days, and it's a bad thing to have this rhetoric. And violence against judges, electeds, folks, bureaucrats is completely unacceptable. And I hope our country gets to a better place because I am not feeling good about handing this off to the next generation as it is. So go to the farmer's market and talk to people face-to- face. That's what I recommend. Second thing I want to say is thanks for the comments tonight on Downtown Sam. That's the Downtown Safety, Access, and Mobility Project. And, yes, I wanted to reiterate that Tuesday, tomorrow, from, I think, 4.30 until 6.30 at the Florence, there's an open house. This has been a long time coming. I ran into a neighbor this weekend who sits on the, I don't know, focus group, whatever group it is, from business owners, from all walks of life, folks who have sat down and worked on this with staff, with public works people. They've had 19 meetings with, I think, two to three hours a shot. So many, many hours have gone into this. It's a big, complicated project, but I'm looking forward to seeing what they've come up with and what's the path forward. And it really focuses on getting people downtown who can walk, who can bike, who can do this safely, who can be moving around downtown in a much more safe fashion. And we are a growing community. This, I think, will take our downtown to the next level. It is, in my opinion, the most vibrant and thriving downtown in any city in Montana because we've been very intentional with our downtown. But we've got lots of room for improvement and making it safer for all and more welcoming for all and making it work as best as possible, knowing we will never please everyone. But this is a big forward step. So I think we're going to be seeing those plans roll out, see what they look like, and go from there. Councilor Jones, thank you very much for additional context and the reminder for the meeting. And, Danielle, thank you for your reminder of the meeting. Folks will come down and take a look at the meeting boards and the progress of that project. And with that, I'm going to go ahead and adjourn our meeting at, oh, oh, I'm sorry. Jeez Louise. Thank you. Councilor Melson, anybody online wishing to make council comment this evening? Yeah, I'll make a quick comment. Thanks, Mayor Davis. I just want to take a sec to acknowledge and thank the North Star tenants who came in tonight and add that I also really appreciate the comments from you, Mayor, and the conversation around the horseshoe after, kind of about the reality of our state laws and council's sort of lack of tools to affect meaningful change here. And I think the thing that resonated most with me was the report from one of those residents that they were directed to homelessness resources if they could not afford the rent increase that was imposed on them. And, you know, like whatever the legal rights of the property owner and manager, whatever those rights are, that 's fine. I understand that, you know, increasing rent commensurate with market rates is common practice, but these residents deserve dignity and respect. And at a bare minimum, I think a conversation about the future of the property that they sit on top of. So just wanted to make that known and let them know that I 'm happy to help however I can. So, yeah, thanks for the time tonight. Thanks for the comments again. Very good. Appreciate that, Councilor Melson. Thank you. Councilor Jordan. Yeah, thank you. Just a second. Let's see. Yeah, so I'm big on Public Service Recognition Week because it's a good occasion to step back and ask what public servants are actually supposed to do, not in the abstract, but as a matter of legal and civil obligation. American government was established in the words of the Constitution to promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for all residents. That language was a good and civil rights. That language wasn't decorative. That language wasn't decorative. It was a commitment repeated and reinforced through every layer of government that followed. That the purpose of public institutions is to serve all of them equitably and accountably. That's what public servants carry. Not just a job description, but a duty to the public that supersedes personal interests, political pressure, and institutional convenience. The public servants' first obligation is to serve all of them. The public servants' first obligation is to serve all of them. The public servants are to serve all of them. The public servants' first obligation is to serve all of them. The public servants' first obligation is to serve all of them. The public servants' first obligation is to serve all of them. The public servants' first obligation is to serve all of them. The public servants' first obligation is to serve all of them. The public servants' first obligation is to serve all of them. 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Our short-term parking includes parking fees we receive for the hourly parking in our garages. We do continue to see higher utilization in our garages, but that higher utilization has been offset by an operational change that we were required to make after our union contract negotiation this year. So during our union negotiations this year, we removed our on-call staff, which requires us to raise our gates each night and on the weekends. We do project that we will be offsetting that decrease when we complete our approved contract with Ames to move from our park skating equipment to the L PR free flow entry system, which will require people to start their active parking session when they park their car rather than waiting till they leave the garage. And so what we assume will happen is that people will then be paying instead of waiting for the gates to go up and leaving for free. For now, based on historical data and the recent decrease, we are projecting a slight revenue decrease of $5,800 in our short-term revenue. Our permit revenue projection is the next line. This includes a suggested 10% increase to permits, which includes loading zone, commercial, and special service permits. Using these 10% increases and the average permit sales that we've seen over the last five years, we project an increase in permit revenue of $3,900. Our lease revenue projections shown here also include the suggested 10% increases that we will be discussing today in all of our lease areas that have wait lists. With those increases, we project increased lease revenue of $184,000. We are also looking at overselling our total lease invent ories by 15%. As you know, last year you approved a 10% oversell across all lease areas. And we have continued the project of tracking our utilization, overselling in areas that can accommodate the oversell, and what we are going for next year will be 15%. Special parking, our next item, includes the RPP permits, boot fees, and the museum lot enforcement. Using the suggested increase from $65 to $85 per permit and the average number of RPP permits sold per year over the last five years, and the average number of boots issued annually times the $75 boot fee, we project a revenue increase of $13,000 in our special parking. And finally, miscellaneous income. This includes all small miscellaneous items like card holders for our AVI cards and replacement cards, but it also includes our reimbursement from Market on Front for their water and garbage bills. And then it includes miscellaneous lease revenue. We have steadily seen this number come down since fiscal year 23, because in fiscal year 23, we had the bridge construction, which required use of a lot of our parking spaces and therefore generated a lot of miscellaneous lease revenue. In fiscal year 24, the Northwestern Energy Substation Project also provided some miscellaneous lease revenue, but outside of those years, we don't typically see a lot of money in this category. So we're projecting a decrease this year of around $1,000 in that account. Here are known expense changes for fiscal year 27. Again, we are still working with the city on the details for all of these changes, including our personnel account and our debt service, which will be changed because of the series 25 bonds for the Bank Street Structure Repair. So personnel, which is always our highest expense, and we expect it to continue to be our highest expense, will be increasing for fiscal year 27 by roughly the value shown here, around $53,000. For our union employees, our salary increases are based on the union contract and are therefore known for the next fiscal year and are included here. Those include a dollar per hour flat increase in addition to longevity increase, which is calculated as 25 cents per hour per number of years of service for each union employee. Our non-union employee pay increases are tied to the city's overall pay increases, which at this time they plan to recommend to council at a 3 %, 3% wage increase for all non-union employees. However, that increase will not go through council until June, and it will not be approved as part of the mayor's budget until that approval, which happens in August. So for these slides and for our budget conversation, I have included that 3% increase, but it is not by any means finalized at this time. Next, we have our utility assumptions. These are always provided to us by our finance department and are accounted for as a percent increase over the previous year's budget. So this year when we received these percent increases from our finance department, they came with a disclaimer that the utility companies they 've been talking to have been reluctant to commit to solid numbers. They feel like there's just a lot of unknowns going into the next year. However, they gave us rough estimates for electricity around 4% increase, 5% for solid waste, 8% for water, 9% for sewer, 1% for postage and freight, and a 13% increase for fuel. Next, we have our accounting services. I worked with Brenda from JCCS who said that we can count on a 4% to 5% increase for our accounting contract in this upcoming fiscal year. I went ahead and included it as a 5% increase here, but that is, again, not final. Our budget for auditing services will increase by $850 over last year's budgeted amount per our contract with Ide Bailey. The midtown lot rent that we pay increased to $1,728 for this year. And that's an increase that was approved by the board in March at our last board meeting. Let me see. And then our city contract is assumed to increase by 5% in the next fiscal year. So next, we'll move on to some decreases that we hope to see in fiscal year 27. The first one that we'll see is a decrease in our meter system fees. This amount includes the removal of our gating system in the garage. So our garage gate system requires a $0.15 per transaction fee, which is absorbed by us. It's not passed on to the customer. It's not passed on to the customer. For all gate transactions, which totals around $12,000 a year. Because we will be removing those gates, we expect to see that expense go down. And then with our contract with AIMS and moving forward with... Oh, sorry. I skipped. We covered that part. Additionally, there will be a $95 per month charge for a couple of our offline meters that we will not be paying. And so the total meter system fees will be decreasing by around $20,000. Next, we have our AIMS software and license, which will be replacing the T2 software and license. And those software fees, as you saw when we brought the AIM S contract forward, are $15,000 less than our T2 software. So that's for all of our permitting and enforcement software. Next, through our efforts to move our meter payments over to Passport, where Passport is the merchant of record, we have seen a decrease in our merchant fees. So we've been tracking this decrease over the last five years and now have a pretty reasonable average that we can say that we'll decrease our merchant fees by about $45,000 next fiscal year. And I just want to point out here that those are budgeted. So we're not, over the last five years, we have projected a budget of $145,000 in meter fees or in merchant fees. And what we've seen over the last five years is closer to around $100,000 in merchant fees. So we're just making that adjustment to our budgeted numbers. We pay the downtown officer. We contribute to that salary every year. They're reducing their staffing. They're going from two officers to one officer. And that reduction will result in a business improvement district request that is $15,000 less than it was in the prior year. And then finally, you'll see under changes, the changes I mentioned on our maintenance planning side, we're shifting a total of around $152,000 out of these historical maintenance accounts. This will be a portion of what we use for the new deferred maintenance account. And these accounts are not going away. We will still have a maintenance supplies and operating supplies. We're just reducing them to match what we will actually be paying for those supplies and to better reflect an accurate accounting of those maintenance expenses. We're getting close. We have two more budget slides. So we have our fiscal year 27 new requests. And this one requires a little bit of history. In fiscal year 24, the board approved replacement of one of our scooters that had reached its scheduled replacement date. At that time, we worked with our fleet director, Scott, to arrange for the replacement and learned from Scott that our scooter manufacturers have been increasingly unreliable in providing replacement parts . And there was some uncertainty at this time that we should continue with that manufacturer. So the recommendation from Scott in fiscal year 24 was to use some of our gas scooters that had been retired and that were still mostly functional. Since fiscal year 24, we have continued to have maintenance issues with our electric fleet. And the scooters can sometimes take months to address. We have one scooter that is simply unoperational and we can 't get parts for it. We now have an additional two scooters that have reached their scheduled replacement time. So we are looking at replacing the entire electric fleet this year. Vehicle maintenance approved this move for these electric scooters to move from electric scooters to hybrid sedans. The city does have an electric vehicle policy and recommendation. And so we will not be moving to a fully combustion engine fleet. But through using hybrid vehicles, we will have vehicles that we can get parts for, that we can maintain better, and that are more reliable. And still fit the city's energy standards. The final model has not been selected yet, but our vehicle maintenance department is comparing three different options to replace our electric scooters. And we will have that final selection for your approval at our June meeting. These scooters would be paid for out of our fund balance, so they would not be paid for with revenues that come in over the next year. They would be paid for with our cash on hand. And finally, our CIP requests. So the first one you'll see here is the fixed LPR in our g ated facilities. This was the item that was approved in fiscal year 26. We are under contract with Ames now for this work. But we are expecting the expense to show up in our fiscal year 27 budget. So with our finance department, how they like to see those things come through is as an updated CIP request in the following fiscal year. That total will also be paid for out of our fund balance. Our deferred maintenance account. This is the new account item that we are looking to set up to address all of our deferred maintenance from those conditions assessments. The total for fiscal year 27 that we can offset with our revenue increases and movement of funds from those historical codes will be around $500,000. So this is my final budget slide. I will pause here before we move on to our rate review action item so that we can have any questions from the board. Anything, Melissa? Chair? Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. I have two questions for you. First one, as you looked at the changes in expenses for personnel, I'm reading that as you're not expecting an increase in staff. It's just all the budgeted salary increases. Is that right? Correct. We are not asking for any new positions this year. We're maintaining our existing staff. Thank you. And the other one, as you look to move to a hybrid scooter, roughly what's the lifetime of those? So our vehicle maintenance team determines the scheduled replacement for all of our fleet. And it depends on how frequently the vehicle is used and what the vehicle is. So we do not plan on replacing these scooters with scooters . We're looking at hybrid sedans. So that would be like a Subaru Crosstrek or a Toyota Prius is like a hybrid or something like that. And those tend to have a longer useful life than the scoot ers do. I was shocked to learn when I started in this position that the scooters that we have are about the same price as a sedan. So those electric scooters that we had for the last 10 years were around $40,000. Yeah. And so the new, the hybrid sedans that we're looking at are all around $30,000 to $35,000. Thank you. Yeah. They are. Did you have a question? No. Okay. Anything to close? Sure. Okay. Move on to our action items. First one is number six, the fiscal year 27 lease rate review. Will you introduce that? Yes, I will. So as you all know, we are, um, required by resolution to review our lease and permit rates every April. That's why we're having this special meeting today. Um, we have a parking plan that makes recommendations for rate increases. And so, um, we balance those recommendations with, uh, with utilization studies and different things that we do throughout the year. So we're going to start with our lease rate review. Um, we sent out notices about these rate increases to all of our leases. Uh, I think at the end of March. And so you'll see included in the board package. And for any member of the public, you can see the notice that was sent out the lease rates that we were recommending . And then we included all comments that we've received to date through email. If anyone is interested in reading those. All right. So our goal here is to support more users and improve our utilization in our lease parking areas downtown. There are different reasons to increase rates and fines. Uh, and the problem we are trying to address here by increasing rates is to support more of the users that need to have those spaces and to improve the utilization of our lease assets overall. Rates are one tool that the parking commission has to manage demand. Our parking plan, which was adopted in June of 2024, recommended an increase to lease rates of 10% each year for three years. And this is the third year of that increase. What we were seeing that informed this recommendation was that our current lease rates were low compared to national averages for similar communities with similar assets and similar demands. Uh, we are also seeing that in our high demand areas where we were sold or even oversold, we had wait lists that go back years coupled with low utilization, which indicates that there are people who have lease spaces. People or businesses who have lease spaces that they are paying for, but that they are not using. Um, so for the last two years, the board has approved the 10% recommended increase in lease areas that were 100% sold or oversold and that had wait lists on them. In the areas that did not have wait lists, rates were not increased. During last year's rate review, we were also asked to work toward the parking plan recommendation to oversell leases by 10%. Um, even with that, the rate increase that we approved last year, we were able to achieve that 10% oversell goal. 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The area where we have seen problems with people not being able to access their lease areas that are oversold are specifically in our Kiwanis lot. And what's happening in that area is there is a significant development, a housing development right behind that lot. And so what we find when we get those calls from lease holders that can't park in their lease area is not that the lot is full of other leasees, but that there is overflow from construction parking for this development project. And so generally when we get those calls, we displace the leaseholder to a place where they can park without paying an additional fee for the day. And then we go through and enforce and find generally three to four vehicles that we issue tickets for. Outside of that, we are not seeing an issue with the overse ll. But that being said, we're not overselling places like North Woody Street that has a small number of spaces that is fully utilized. And we're not seeing an issue with the oversell if we see that the lease area itself is not full. As I was reading through the comments that were submitted via email, there were concerns about rate increases raised by some folks. If someone has a lease in a parking lot that does have an increase proposed, we don't have increases proposed everywhere. Is there an opportunity to request a change in lot if you want to manage those costs? There certainly is. There certainly is. And you'll see in your list, all of the ones that we are not increasing. Those are also ones that we have been unable to sell to capacity. So there is a lot of space for people to park in. And there is a wide range of prices for lease parking and for employee parking. So yes, we would have opportunities to move people out of their more expensive spaces and into a less expensive space if they needed to do that. Yeah. Well, we have a quorum where you have just the three of us. So one of the two of you need to make a motion and the other has to second. If you. That motion back up on the screen, please. I'd move to approve a rate. Increase of 10% for all lease permits in areas with a wait list loading zone permits, commercial permits and special service permits. And is in order. Second. Second. Any other discussion or comment? Now's the time for public comment on this motion. If you would like to comment on this motion, step to the podium. And the comments is limited to three minutes. State your first and last name for the record. Just this motion. We've got another motion or another action coming up. Any Emily, anybody online that would like to comment? We do have one online. I will allow. It looks like Sarah. Go ahead and speak now. Thank you. Caller. Would you introduce yourself? And you're welcome to comment. Sarah. And Sarah, you should just have to unmute in the team's meeting and it should allow you to speak. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Caller. Would you introduce yourself? And you're welcome to comment. Can you guys hear me okay? Yes. Okay. Hi. My name is Sarah Muller. I use a park place garage downtown. And I'm going to talk to you about the parking lot. I'm going to talk to you about the parking lot. I'm going to talk to you about the parking lot. I'm going to talk to you about the parking lot. I'm going to talk to you about the parking lot. And Sarah, you should just have to unmute in the team's meeting and it should allow you to speak. Can you guys hear me okay? Yes. Okay. Hi. My name is Sarah Muller. I use a park place garage downtown. And I wanted to know if you have seen a decrease in the parking lot of parking lot. In people holding leases for the increases you've made. Have you actually seen anyone utilize different lots that don't have wait lists? True. Because my concern is you make this rate increase, but I mean people want the garage because it's probably a nicer place to park. 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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I've heard the name, but I've never... I might have heard them. I love about... They are who I think they are. All right. All right. All right. We can go ahead and get started. All right. All right. We can go ahead and get started. Hi, everyone. A little after 6 o'clock. So just a reminder, please be recognized before speaking and use your microphone about four to five inches away when speaking and state your name and before your statement. So first we can start out with a call to order and I'll do a neighborhood roll call. I'll go to Captain John Mullen first. Go to Farview's Patty Canyon. Franklin to the floor is me, Clint Whittle Frazier. Grant Creek. And Heart of Missoula. Sorry. I was just going to say, just a reminder for everyone on the... or for everyone in the room, make sure that you're pushing the button to speaking on the microphone so we can pick it up for our, like, translation and everything. So thank you. Heart of Missoula and Lewis and Clark. Here. And what's your name for Lewis and Clark? Claire Battaglia. Claire Battaglia. Thanks. Lower Rattlesnake. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. But I'm going to start pushing the button to speaking on the microphone so we can pick it up for our, like, translation and everything. So thank you. OK. Um, part of Missoula and Lewis and Clark. Here. And what's your name for Lewis and Clark? Claire Battaglia. Thanks. Um, lower Rattlesnake. Robert Schultz. And Miller Creek. Moose Can Gulley. Kathy Dasha and also South 39th. And Northside, Westside. Katherine Berman here. Riverfront. River Road. Rose Park. Leah and Kevin J. here. South 39th. That's also Moose Can Gulley. Rose Park Leah and Kevin Shea here South 39th Southgate Triangle Carrie Triber Two Rivers University District Jenny's here And Upper Rattlesnake Okay, so 11, awesome So we have quorum So next we need to approve the minutes So the recommended motion is to Move to approve the minutes dated March 26-26 If there's a motion and a second Robert Schultz, I move to approve Second All right, all in favor say aye Aye So those are approved Next is public comment on non-agenda items There's no one in the audience at the moment And I don't see any hands on lying Okay, so we can move on to our first presentation So the first one that we have is preparedness evacuations and home fire response from Winnie Lohoff Great, thank you so much for having me everyone Can everyone hear me all right? Great Okay In that case, I am going to share my screen really quick As I'm doing so I just want to introduce myself a little bit My name is Winnie Lohoff I am the Community Disaster Program Manager for Southwest Montana with the American Red Cross For those of you who are familiar with the Red Cross You probably hear the Red Cross and think Oh, they want my blood This time, however, I am coming to you To talk to you a little bit about our disaster response So a little bit about me I oversee 15 counties in Southwest Montana Though I am based out of Missoula I am here virtually today because I am actually traveling for work So I'm in Bozeman teaching some preparedness classes But I wanted to share with you today Just a little bit about the Red Cross What we do What you can kind of expect from us as we're going into fire season And just what we all do throughout the year So Okay, so just for those who aren't as familiar with the Red Cross and our mission Our mission at the Red Cross is to prevent and alleviate human suffering in the face of emergencies By mobilizing the power of volunteers and generosity of donors So I myself am a Red Cross staff member However, 100% of my workforce are volunteers So the work that I do in Southwest Montana is absolutely impossible to do without volunteers So before I go forward If you hear something today that you're really interested in If you're interested in, please don't hesitate to reach out to me I'll make sure that my contact information I'll make sure that my contact information It will be on the screen at the end And for those who are virtual, I'll also put it into the chat If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross If you're interested in volunteering with the Red Cross Every about seven days, the Red Cross responds to a level four disaster and above So just for reference, we also respond to home fires So a level one is going to be a single family household home fire And then a level seven is going to be something like Lah aina, Hawaii That just happened last year Like I said a little bit before Our disaster workforce are mainly volunteers This 90% that I have on the screen is actually including staff So 90% of the Red Cross throughout the United States is run by volunteers And our disaster relief efforts started in 1881 Thanks to Clara Barton And we are pretty well integrated with FEMA at this point as well So we often work closely with FEMA on disaster responses So just really quickly This is the these are all the counties that I oversee But for you folks, Missoula is the most important one today Before I go into the disaster side of things, I want to talk about our programs Within the Red Cross, everything that we provide is completely free of charge So one of the things that we provide are our preparedness programming Our prepare with Pedro classes are for kiddos Kindergarten through second And it's just a little storybook Sometimes we also have a penguin mascot Which is oftentimes me And Pedro teaches kiddos about different kinds of hazards and emergencies Each storybook is about a different one And this class is to prepare kids If they are ever going to possibly interface with some sort of emergency We're trying to make sure that they are resilient in face of that One of our other preparedness programs is our home fire campaign Our home fire campaign means that we install smoke alarms completely free of charge And including in that are our with our smoke alarms are our bed shaker alarms and um strobe light alarms for our deaf or hard of hearing community members Once again, this is always free of charge Our smoke alarms last 10 years So it's really a kind of a 30 minute We come in we install smoke alarms for you And then from there we make sure that You have a little bit of information on how to prepare your home for a home fire The sound the alarm event is something that as a neighborhood you all can sponsor So the sound the alarm event is where we come in And either you as community members can also volunteer for this Or we can just use our volunteers We target a specific area and over one or two days we Try to install as many smoke alarms in as many households as possible So it is a really great way to make sure that your entire community Is completely prepared for a home fire Often with these I try to also pair with the local fire department So we're also getting some of our our local firefighters out and engaging with the community as well For a wildfire campaign we go in and do wildfire assessments Though some of my colleagues after me are going to be talking about the DNRC's wildfire assessments So sometimes you'll see me sometimes you will see the DNRC and I'm not going to talk too much more about that Just because the DNRC has a fantastic program as well The only difference with the red cross because we also pair with the DNRC often Is that if you're working with the red cross you're probably going to get a red cross go bag And since we work with the DNRC you're also probably going to get a red cross go bag when you get those Wildfire assessments done on your home That's just making sure that you have built defensible space around your home So you are prepared for fire season Our be red cross ready program is Absolutely fantastic. I'm actually out here in bozeman teaching that right now And these are kind of like prepare with pedro So very hazard specific though. These are for adults With little with middle schoolers and high schoolers. Sometimes I'm able to bring in Go bag kits so we can build them together too with these classes Our ready rating um just going a little bit more quick Our ready ready rating is disaster preparedness for businesses you can get certified through us the 30 minute meeting We just talk about where you can build some um safety within your business and then we have hands-only cpr Though a certification is not provided through this course This is a great way to have at least Some basic knowledge of how to do cpr in the event that you are called upon to do so So these are all the programs actually only a select few of the programs that I oversee here in southwest montana um Okay, I'm going to get a little bit more into them in the next few slides But just to say this the red cross No matter what we are always showing up to help our community From home fires to wildfires, uh, if you need support from the red cross all you have to do is call 1-800 red cross The worst we can say is hey, this is out of our scope. We 're unable to respond Um, but the best case scenario is that we're saying hey, we are sending a team to you. They'll be there in half an hour um We have a really fantastic team in the missoula area. I have about 35 volunteers and always hoping to expand that as well Um, because it is neighbors literally showing up for their neighbors So really quickly in terms of response time Um, if you have a home fire and you call upon the red cross Uh, you'd be calling 1-800 red cross Um within two hours. We are at your door Um, typically it is going to be a much shorter window typically within a half an hour. We are interacting with you But if we have let's say all of our volunteers are on deployment or vacation or just unable to respond We are having volunteers drive from other counties So up to two hours to come in and support someone um or you yourself If you have lost your home to a home fire or have just generally been affected by a home fire Now as we're going into fire season Um, you may see some uh evacuation notices coming up Um, whenever you get an evacuation notice. I am also getting that notice. I'm actually probably getting that notice before you Um, so I can ready my troops Uh saying hey, we gotta put folks on standby get ready. There may have to be some evacuations In that we are uh opening up a shelter locally Now we are typically trained we're trained to open up a shelter within four hours However, I recently did a drill with my folks and we opened up a shelter in two hours So that means uh mobilizing all of my volunteers to be able to fully staff a shelter for 24 hours And being able to open a shelter with full supplies with food um and with additional resources um at such as cots blankets all of that for at least 50 people Now if we have to go into a longer uh disaster response So more people are staying at our shelter Uh, people are unable to to leave um, I am able to pull upon um volunteers and resources outside of missoula outside of the territory that I cover So i'm able to pull throughout the united states um, that means volunteers from all across the united states are coming in to support our community um Which is really really lovely. I think that's so cool Um recently I had to open up a shelter in mineral county just before christmas And I had five people just before christmas leave their families to come out and help um our community members in mineral county who did not have any power for about a week So that was pretty pretty amazing and just that response time is uh, very very cool Now for natural disaster Um, most likely you're going to be interfacing with us at a uh at a red cross shelter however, we often work with our um We often are working with our emergency managers to provide um a temporary evacuation points for people to be able to access some additional information to figure out their next steps um, to identify to to meet with their family members oftentimes during a disaster we're running out the door really quickly and so um What we're we're doing is having a a point where everyone can go to and meet At these shelters at these evacuation points, you're probably going to be encountering some additional supplies So food and water but also oftentimes, um, especially after the initial incident um, some emergency disaster supplies So that may mean shovels and cleanup kits to clean up someone's yard or maybe additional things that the community has verbalized that they need Also, we are able to offer financial assistance both based off of a damage of a home And what a family needs to be able to move on and heal post disaster A lot of my job is coordinating with local and state government officials to offer supports to the communities and to offer them strategically So making sure that the communities are actually getting what they want and what they need And not getting something that is absolute trash To them because they have absolutely no use to it One thing that we do suggest Is that people download the red cross emergency app now? I know, um, it's really annoying to be told to download another app personally I would not recommend this if I didn't believe in it Um, the red cross emergency app is absolutely fantastic and if you allow Uh push notifications you will be notified if a red cross shelter opens up near you um alternatively if you are evacuating and do not know Um, where to go you are always more than welcome to call 1- 800 red cross Uh, you will get uh helped by our national dispatchers And then probably within about 10-15 minutes you'll be receiving a call from a red cross volunteer or staff member Now, uh more pertinent as well, uh is our home fire response Uh, the red cross does this 24 7 365 if I don't have a volunteer Um, you're going to be meeting with me Um, so what you can do after a home fire is call 1-800 red cross What happens is that we get a team together? Um, this is a disaster action team response. We get a team together Our duty officer evaluates the situation identifies how many people we may need to be sending to the scene What may what additional resources we may need to have? Um, the team then calls the client calls the homeowner discusses with them Um, when to meet so sometimes if someone has a safe place to stay and they're overwhelmed We'll meet with them in the morning when they're a little bit more rested Or if they have no place to go we are going there Um, doesn't matter what time Um, and we're meeting with the folks. Um, we're talking about how the family has been affected Any immediate needs such as mental health health care or spiritual care? So our health services volunteers are all trained and licensed medical staff They're able to replace medical equipment like walkers can es, uh, CPAP machines things of that sort They're also able to replace medications and typically that 's within 24 hours After they've been notified and especially if someone has um Life-saving medications such as insulin we want to be notified as of it as soon as possible so that we can get that replaced As soon as possible our mental health volunteers are all trained and licensed mental health volunteers They're able to meet with the client or the family members as many uh quite a few times about three to four times And then from there they're able to pay for some co-pays So the family can get a longer term mental health support And then our spiritual care folks are trained and licensed chaplains or leaders in their faith community Um They are able to also replace any religious items that may have been lost in a fire From there, uh, our team returns home oftentimes depending on the damage to the home We're able to offer additional financial assistance that can be used for a hotel or whatever Um, the family may need Um, and then from there our case managers follow up within three days To just engage with the family and identify any additional barriers to healing So an example i'd like to give is perhaps the family cannot return to work because the parents, uh Both lost their uniforms in the fire in that case. We're going to be paying Uh to replace those uniforms family can't return to work because they don't have child care for whatever reason We are going to pay for child care for at least a week or so So that is my whole spiel Um, my contact info is on the screen. Please, please, please feel free to reach out to me Like I said, I am one of the only staff members Uh, it is all volunteer based. So if anything tonight, uh Caught your attention and you say oh my goodness, that is super super cool. Please give me a call I'd love to talk to you more about it Um, and if you're interested in any of our services, especially our smoke alarms Please also give me a call we can um schedule a time to Come in and install some smoke alarms for you With that i'm going to give my time back if anyone has any questions. I am more than happy to answer those. Thank you Are there any questions from the rumor or online? Yeah, I do have a quick question. I was wondering um, when he in Um, just if there are any local examples of this response time like in Maybe like the windstorm in 2024 or flooding around yellowstone things of that nature did the red cross response any of those Yeah, so um, I those are actually two really good examples of the red cross responding so um Let's see. So with the windstorm a couple years ago Um, we worked with the local emergency managers and the emergency managers Decided that it would be best to have a charging station So instead of opening up an official shelter for people to go to we um opened up a charging station at the polling center off of wyoming um There people were able to take a shower which was really really great um people were also able to charge their um Uh in some cases like their battery powered c-pop machines, uh charge their phones uh charge, uh, their their battery bricks things of that sort um Of course, we are always ready to open up a shelter if the needed need a rat arose excuse me um Oftentimes when it comes to a disaster response and opening up a shelter um It is under the purview of our emergency managers to request it from the red cross Now if there are community members who give me a call and say I have no place to go Um, because of whatever natural disaster um mass casualty events something of that sort If there is a need for it, we will open up a shelter We will talk with our emergency managers and open up a shelter in the missoula area um, I currently have three emergency uh, or excuse me shelters in the missoula area Um, and all of them are willing and able to open up for us no matter what the time is Um, they've absolutely been fantastic with that um, now with uh, the yellowstone flooding a couple years ago uh, we were we responded very quickly, um, actually my team out here in galluson county is extremely strong uh, and they really rallied the troops a lot of them took time off of work um, and we once again were able to open up a shelter within four hours um That one was very it was a bit complicated mainly because it was such a large disaster um, but once again, yeah, we are always willing and able uh, to open up those shelters no matter what And go ahead online Hi, this is jenny in the university district So, thank you very much. Um, I lived in the eaton canyon fire zone and watched our neighborhood burn down And how fast the red cross was there and how long the red cross was there so hats off round of applause okay, um yeah, right? I was gonna do it but my camera's off um Question now, colina and melissa are gonna start laughing the minute I mentioned this but map your neighborhood The safety plan preparedness thing um, got it from the Washington disaster blah blah blah program Washington state put it out Has the red cross come up with something like this because i'd love to use a red cross version especially from you being it's our territory Yeah, um Okay, so I actually just looked up map your neighborhood because I've Heard of it, but I haven't actually read up on it recently Um So, let's see. It's just looking at um Actually, can you explain map your neighborhood just because otherwise i'm gonna butcher it and I want to make sure i'm answering Melissa can I explain map your neighborhood? No, uh map your neighborhood is a simple packet you go through with your neighbors just on your side of the street or maybe just in your apartment building On coming up with a plan should something happen a disaster that impacts emergency personnel delays your ability to literally get to us And um, it's smart. It's casual very low, you know You can do it in someone's backyard, but you learn what people skills that they have around you Who knows first aid who has a generator? Right, so when the time comes whose kids might be home alone because it happened before five o'clock So I just would really love because the red cross is so established and this material is waiting to be Updated if you guys had a resource that I could use because i'm ready for backyard parties preparedness Excellent, okay perfect. So yes to a certain extent we do have that i'm gonna share my screen one more time um, okay So Okay, so we have this handy dandy wildfire preparedness education packet um, it's 18 pages. Typically. This is what we're handing out when we are doing uh wildfire home visits so assessing homes for defensible space And what I really love in here is an action plan So in here we have i'll zoom in a little bit Uh, we have our go kits so how to build a go kit Um, or a bug out bag Um for your home that is realistic Of course, I can talk forever about emergency supplies and go kits, but this is kind of just like a very basic Um go bag. I have to get out of my home as soon as possible Um, we also have in here emergency solar alerts alerts so, um as community members as neighborhood members Uh or leaders, excuse me You can take this and edit it as much as you want in here We can say uh sign up for smart 9-1-1 sign up for uh next door This is the the local team or in your local area These are the people who are kind of your your go buddies your emergency buddies Um, and then it also goes through different kinds of applications and tools for that On top of that we also detail how to build a communication plan Um, so we have where in the area are we going to meet so if we have to evacuate are we meeting? Um, we're in the neighborhood, but also ideally where outside of the neighborhood So maybe you live in the rattlesnake we're meeting in the albertsons parking lot if we have to evacuate or um, we are we all have the red cross emergency app As soon as that shelter opens we are all meeting there We also have that evacuation for animals. Um, just a quick side note for the red cross Um, we have If you have to evacuate with your pets, they're always welcome in a red cross shelter We have pet addendums on all of our facility use agreements So your animals are always welcome On top of that if you have livestock Typically, it will be me working with the emergency managers To open up the fairgrounds for your and your livestock Horses farm animals to live Um on top of that we have your out of area contact just so You have someone out of the area to contact if there's an emergency And then we have your neighbors So you get to go and talk to your neighbor The biggest thing when i'm talking about preparedness is please go talk to your neighbor I don't care if you actually don't like them very much. I need you to go talk to them nonetheless Um, so these are who are the people you can rely on? Um Who's helping you? What can you do for each other? Um, especially what I like to highlight here too is consider the mobility Challenges or your neighbors with access and functional needs When we did our response in mineral county back in december one of the most beautiful the coolest acts of resiliency i've ever seen Was neighbors were going over to their neighbors and calling 9-1-1 and saying I haven't heard from so-and-so in days I knocked I didn't hear from them. Please go in and check on them We fed the entire community one night and they were taking uh dinners to each other For the folks who couldn't really get out of the house due to mobility issues So on this page this is saying okay on my block i'm checking in with this person this person and this person Because I want to make sure that they are safe and that they have a plan no matter what And throughout here it's going through pre-evacuation preparation how to get your house ready And set if you have to evacuate or if you're just um preparing for wildfire season we talk about roadway evacuation routes in here too And then building defensible space now what I like about this too is that It gives you all the information about zoning and everything around your home talking about fire safe fire resistant plants Um, but on top of that it gives you photos So you know exactly what you need to be looking for now the dnrc or the red cross can come out and do an assessment of course But also yearly you should be going through this as well Um, this is what's going to be also making your your home fire safe long term Am I allowed to ask a follow-up? I say yes I don't want to get greedy. I don't want to get greedy. Okay. So question the university district sponsored I think 12 gas shutoff wrenches Is this the kind of thing we could request someone come and talk to us in uh, like bonner park and go through the packet with us? Just to get the conversation started into people's neighborhoods Yes, for sure So something i'm doing actually in conjunction with front step um community land trusts coming up is to offer A day where we come in and teach the neighborhood how to do the assessments themselves So they become neighborhood assessors essentially um on top of that, um, we're we're going to be doing a preparedness um class It's like an hour long. Um, just talking about what you can do like the nitty-gritty of what you can do to prepare um, and then of course, you know If people want to sign up for smoke alarm installations become a volunteer anything like that Uh, just interface with the red cross and get to know a little bit more. We're always up for that. I love those kind of uh, those kind of days exactly essentially those preparedness days Um, yeah, of course, they're always happy to do that All right, do we have any other questions or All right, well, thank you winnie Um up next we have another presentation about health safety evacuations and homeowner resources Hi there everybody Folks online. Can you hear me adequately? Perfect. All right, uh, yeah again good evening. Uh, my name is jack cooney. I am the fire adapted communities coordinator over at the montana dnrc I work at the missouli unit. So kind of the the unit level. Um And i'm heading up the prevention and preparedness program So we're going to kind of shift from winnie's wonderful presentation And talk about the specifics regarding wildfires hardening your home And what resources are available to you? Um, so the first thing that we'll talk about is the home ignition zone um And Basically what this is is a series of research That's been kind of conducted throughout the past few decades regarding How your home behaves in a wildfire and what we really want to do is have you kind of shift your mindset towards your home being fuel in the context of a wildfire the number one factor in home ignitions in wildfire situations is due to embers in in a lot of scenarios you will find them Swirling around acting almost like a blizzard. I have some pictures later on uh, just showing the sheer volume Uh, and what this does is these embers kind of find their way into the nooks and crannies of your house cause that direct flame contact and then will result in in the ignition of your home And so what we're trying to produce with a defensible space like when he had previously mentioned Is to really effectively seal up your home from those em bers and that can increase the likelihood that it will survive in the event of a wildfire So when we're talking about the house itself we can really boil it down to a couple of different areas The roof is going to be the largest because it has the most surface area Oftentimes, um, you know in some of our fringe communities we have a lot of pine litter that will accumulate on these roofs Any sort of organic material can serve as that ignition source the eaves as well as any vents Siding windows And finally attached structures such as porches decks That sort of thing And just really running through some of these areas and the steps that you all can take Looking at the roof clearing that of any sort of organic material is going to Help greatly in reducing the the likelihood of that ember ignition Wood shake roofs while they are still somewhat common Or you know for obvious reasons maybe not the best option There are a couple of different class a fire rated materials that you can use including Asphalts tar roofs Clay and and metal corrugated Corrugated steel that we see a lot more common these days The gutters we recommend cleaning those regularly A lot of people will do them in the Winter or in the spring excuse me spring and fall But maybe a couple times throughout the the summer can be beneficial as well Looking at the eaves closing them up with some soffits Just understanding basically that that these open eaves can be one of the places that you see embers Finding themselves very frequently A lot of vents we recommend installing one eighth inch metal mesh This will kind of reduce the likelihood that that Ember will Stay ignited and will kind of just burn itself out before it it enters your home If these are unvented we have seen Instances where where homes will ignite from the inside because Those embers are just kind of pushing in through those Unmeshed unsealed vents Oftentimes in people's attics etc. But also other things to consider would be like your dryer vents Siding There's been a lot of research about siding materials and kind of their Respective resistance to heat and flames The the vinyl siding while it does melt can provide a better option than than wood And and once again just looking for any opportunities to to get those sealed off Windows we recommend double pane this provides a little more protection against thermal shock And any kind of if that window were to break that's just one giant entrance for any sort of members in your home As well as the picture shows any sort of planter boxes or vegetation Can be a risk as well And finally with the attached structures clearing all of your Decks porches a lot of people will store firewood underneath them Making sure those are all sealed off again with your one eight one eight inch metal mesh can be a great option Yeah, so moving outside from the house researchers have determined three specific zones Within that home ignition zone the first is non-combustible This is zero to five feet around your house and it's recommended that this be entirely non-combustible And here is that picture I mentioned just of how many em bers can be in the area And if any of those were to land in sort of a wood mulch pile garden bed etc And be right up against that home that is direct flame contact and can potentially lead to to an ignition Moving out I guess beforehand we have a couple of of do's and don'ts On the left here we see a very good non-combustible zone With rock and fire resistant shrubbery and plants We have this gentleman here cleaning out his gutters And finally closed eaves and what we will assume to be meshed off vents On the right here wood piles right up against the home Even just pine Litter on the roof Cypress trees I believe these are But yeah those kinds of things in that zero to five foot space are more more of a threat than not The intermediate zone is going to be 5 to 30 feet out And what we recommend here is that this area remain lean clean and green Trees should be spaced about 12 feet apart to provide ample room for not only them to grow But just to reduce and modify that fire behavior should enter the area And finally we have our extended zone where we want to reduce the fire severity Continuing to limb up trees and space them out they can be a little bit closer In this zone But but once again kind of modifying that fire behavior is our goal Moving on We can talk about health safety and evacuations I think that when he touched on a lot of good resources that not only the red cross but kind of missoula emergency management has So Essentially in the event of a wildfire evacuations are going to be potentially a large factor In hardening your home and creating that defensible space we want to provide homeowners the the you know feeling of security that they can prioritize evacuations while while remaining you know leave the area and and feel confident that their home can survive a wildfire What we do is we have an additional evacuation checklist that goes over things such as pets and livestock what to bring establishing a meeting place some of those great things that winnie had previously touched on Here's an example of some things to pack into your go or bug out bag things I like to highlight are the food and water for three days for not only yourself but pets as well Any sort of medications financial documents That sort of thing there is a lot of resources online about the six p's of evacuation and that kind of keeps it really simple and easy to digest Local emergency alerts and messaging The three that I like to touch on are smart 9-1-1 This is going to serve as essentially a reverse 9-1-1 system If you sign up for this and there is any sort of evacuation order or warning in your area it will reach out to you and let you know that that is in place um Warning being you know maybe have your car starting to get prepped An order is is you know should be on the road Pulse point is another great one um and and you can kind of tailor that to whatever emergency alerts you would like to receive uh They cover a variety of not only home uh structure fires wildfires uh CPR Medical emergencies that kind of thing uh And finally I did want to to talk about watch duty watch duty is a very popular app Um, that pulls in a lot of information from different sources about wildfires uh With the disclaimer that it is less authoritative um, so sometimes if you see an evacuation order on watch duty Uh, it does not necessarily mean that one has been pulled in your place But the app is getting better. So it's just kind of take that with a grain of salt Smoke is really uh one of the largest health factors when it comes to wildfire um And can pose a lot of long-term health risks impacts the quality of life, etc With smoke um There are you know, it's just a number of resources and information articles that have kind of talked about what wildfire smoke can do to To you know the human body over time long-term exposure To combat this Uh, we recommend getting filters for your house Uh, there are I believe it's called an merv Merv 13 is a very fine Filtration system, uh, this infographic here will kind of show that that wildfire smoke that pm 2.5 Is is incredibly small will get into your bloodstream Um, and just can overall result in some pretty nasty health effects But protecting your indoor air Can do a good portion of of combating that so yeah, there's that hepa or diy air filter Um, the merv 13 is able to be installed into any hvac systems Keeping your doors and windows closed if it's really smoky out as well as just kind of generally monitoring what the air quality in In the area is going to be This here shows kind of the uh, the very Quick and dirty version of of building one of those diy filters With that merv 13 and a simple box fan And it's better than than nothing Other ways is um Staying hydrated eating antioxidant rich foods using that filter again As well as getting as much sleep as you can And finally i'll touch on a couple more resources that the dnrc as well as some of our other county cooperators provide to you homeowners The biggest thing that I cannot stress enough and we touched on is that wildfire home risk assessment uh myself Nate someone from the area will will come to your house and kind of talk about that home ignition zone a little more Go through a thorough process and we'll provide a risk report to you That kind of talks about very specific things that you can do actual items To prevent to increase the chance of your home surviving a wildfire We have that qr code up here as well as on the dnrc websites Other sources like I mentioned smart 9-1-1 Um other it's also called grave alert or reverse 9-1-1 And that is through the local law enforcement and office of emergency management free private and secure Finally a couple of links here That I can share out afterwards if people are interested For getting some more info about that air quality and smoke information air now is is a national program um and and has a lot of interactive maps that are are very informative regarding that Other resources include the dnrc fire prevention and preparedness website mt fire info insiweb red cross firewise and a number of other sources But that kind of wraps up my my spiel I know I threw a lot at you guys But if you have any questions feel free I would be happy to answer them to the best of my ability and if not I can always be reached out to afterwards to to follow up Jenny go ahead You know, I had to um, okay, so my question is about your boundaries when you show me that are you able to go to the map where you had the person's house and then you had that most intimate zone uh patio Absolutely. Yeah, let me go to let's see this picture right here that covers all three of those zones Yeah, so uh, most people in missoula because you know, this is very much a montana sort of rural image But in montana like Missoula, we don't always have the space are there is there other information that We can share with buildings that are more tight together like university district, right? Um Um That actions we can take while still having a yard because i'm looking at all the wood chips in my future landscaping I mean I really appreciate what you're what you're saying And also how can I adapt this information to where I can look into my neighbor's bathroom over here? You know Yeah, absolutely. Um, I think that you know kind of tail oring that to what our local environment uh Actually is is definitely really important. Um, and we like to kind of consider it that each building on your property Uh kind of has its own three layers. Um, and the the best advice I would give would be to prioritize that zero to five foot zone Um And in doing so, you know, there's going to be overlap between your your neighbors, um, and just kind of keeping them informed about what what these layers are as well Um, and then they kind of mesh together and and provide as much protection as we can offer does that kind of answer your question Yeah, just uh Yeah, it's just sort of interesting because you know neighbors can put stuff right near that line So, yeah, just I was trying to think of ways to uh Improve our safety That's all Yeah, absolutely and yeah, I would just touch on once again , you know, when he mentioned it But but any sort of community engagement working with not only yourself and your family But your neighbors when they say that it takes a village, you know, it really does nobody is out here Fighting fires or responding or recovering from wildfires alone It's a community effort Any other questions? All right. Well, thank you. Thank you Jack Um, so next we have one more presentation and it's missoula county wildfire mitigation program Well, thanks jock jack and and winnie between you guys you didn't really leave me with much Um, did a good job pretty much covering everything But I wanted to talk to you guys about our program who we are what we offer Um, and then sort of just reiterate some of the things that you guys have already heard today So I work for missoula county's wildfire mitigation program We're a relatively new department that lives under the office of emergency management There's four of us in the office. We have a program manager and assistant and two mitigation specialists One of them being me the other one is olivia anderson Yes That better um So olivia and myself are mostly in the field we're doing lots of home assessments meeting with community members meeting with landowners And basically what we preach is that home ignition zone and so When you have us out for a home assessment, we'll walk around the property Look at what are the what are the biggest vulnerabilities on your structure? Each home is a little bit different and it's easy for us to show up and kind of nitpick because a lot of the times it's the little details that are going to end up biting you It's it's those pine needles that are under the deck. It's the little stuff. Um And because every every assessment is a little different It's it's really important to have that 30 minutes one-on- one talking about what you can do to your house To reduce your risk. Um Jenny, I did want to talk to your question When you have homes close together, we call that overlapping home ignition zones Obviously, it has its own set of challenges But as jack mentioned just trying to get the entire community on board buying into this home ignition zone concept And that's another thing. So I think this is a great group to mention it. There's a community ambassador program Um, basically what that does is it finds people in these communities who are willing to kind of step up and be that point of contact Not only for me, but also for neighbors Somebody who has all the resources information can rally people together um, whether that's You know getting neighbors together on a saturday to help clean someone's gutters who they can't get on the ladder and just coming at this from a community-based perspective I think for the last 50 100 years there's been a culture That During an incident firefighters are going to show up. They're going to put the fire out. They're not going to let it burn to your home Um, and what we've seen is that no matter how hard they try and this is not a knock on firefighters But there's days when they they cannot put the fire out and so that's what we're preparing for And landowners property owners have a responsibility To prepare for that so that when firefighters show up the work's already been done you have defensible space And so that's really what we're pushing in our program is how do we empower community members and landowners To take responsibility and and buy into this idea um that we live in extremely fire prone landscape, you know western montana likes to burn um And then you know by suppressing fires for the last 100 years we've created More fuel loading and a higher risk and at the same time more and more folks are moving into those extreme Risk areas so just understanding the risk Understanding that you know, it's not a matter of if but when um Fires will will happen and will continue to happen Um, and so just doing everything we can to prepare for that is kind of our message um A couple of things we do offer Additional to the home assessment is we have a cost share grant for fuels reduction. Um I have Feel free to grab one of these on your way out This is kind of a questionnaire that answers a lot of questions So it can pay up to 75 of the cost for hazardous fuel reduction on private property um Really quick rundown on how that works Get in touch with myself. I'll come out do a home assessment. We'll put together treatment plans So if you're somebody that owns maybe five acres I'll write a prescription for what you need to do to reduce the hazard um I'll put you in touch with the list of contractors that we have They'll give you a bid once you accept the bid We can figure out what the cost share breakdown is If you approve it we sign contracts contractor comes in Removes the hazardous fuel and then we pay them our portion directly and then the landowner pays their portion So it's it's really pretty streamlined as far as um, you know Issuing federal money goes to private landowners. So It's an awesome opportunity again just to kind of like financially empower people because a lot of the time They can't either physically do it themselves or they just can't afford to maintain that property So that's there to as a tool to help them Um, let's see another thing. I don't know if you guys saw this on the way in This is our missoula county wildfire preparedness guide This is everything a to z everything winnie talked about jack talked about it's all right here Uh, please grab one for yourself if you want to grab a couple extras to hand out feel free. Um See I had a couple of other things here Uh, yeah, so I know we had a lot of conversation about evac uations. Um You know, I think that people tend to come especially to o em or to our program and they want to know where am I supposed to go? When a wildfire comes and that's not an answer that people can give ahead of time Every fire is different. Every neighborhood is different. Um, so again, just encouraging you guys to have those conversations um Between yourself and your immediate neighbors Um, and then even talking about a plan b, you know, we have a lot of one way in one way out drainages in the county Um, what happens if that road is blocked? What happens if people can't get out again? Just just have those uncomfortable conversations now so that you can have a plan in august or whenever um that event occurs um Really, that's kind of all I had I I don't want to come here to scare people But I do want to instill sort of a sense of urgency um That's you know, this is a problem. It's a nationwide problem Uh, three days ago. There was a 30 acre fire in california burned five homes, you know If that happened here, it's a big deal, you know for those five landowners um Yesterday in georgia 50 homes burned, you know, this is this is a nationwide problem Same thing happened in oklahoma a couple months ago, so um It can happen to anyone You don't necessarily have to live in the woods You know if you are surrounded by grass and a fast-moving grass fire comes through, you know, you're equally at risk and so Again, the home ignition zone everything applies the same no matter where you are um Feel free to reach out to me if you want to have an assessment But again, if you guys are willing to be that community ambassador that spark plug or if you know somebody else who is Um, I encourage you to put them in touch with me and I can work with your community um There's things like firewise that some some communities are interested in um And then last thing is this Northwest energy rebate so back to the topic of smoke There's a stack of these out on the table um Pretty cool opportunity for folks who might have health concerns or really anybody Um, it's just a rebate to help kind of offset the price for buying a hepa filter Um, those things they work really well. You can actually clean your indoor air so you're not sleeping Um and breathing in heavy smoke all night and waking up with a headache Uh, so again just another little piece of of the preparedness. Um, that's really all I have You guys today if you have any questions i'm happy to answer them Well, well, thank you guys for the opportunity Thank you All right, so next um, we have no items to be voted on so we can head over to staff reports from melissa Hi, yeah, um I don't really have anything to report on other than uh, we have our cleanup in may Um, we're just hopefully you should get an email from me, um, either tomorrow or early next week um For neighborhoods that are really interested in doing that. Um, yeah, and it'll be the weekend of the 30th 31st So just keep that in your mind And yeah, that's all for me Thanks, melissa and next our neighborhood council reports, um, so kind of go around off my list here I don't think we have any more folks that came after roll call so, um Go off the list here So you can do a little update for your neighborhood And this is also a time if you have like a question for each other too We can have more of a discussion There are updates also so It can be a bit more interactive Also Um, so first is Oh, franklin to the fort um So in franklin to the fort, uh, we're going to have our general meeting next tuesday Uh, the april 28th at franklin elementary school from 6 30 to 8 pm We'll have lots of free pizza free child care provided while the meeting is going on And um, we'll be giving out uh, 50 dollar gift cards to win co and rosars to attendees as a free raffle And we also started a new neighborhood survey And We've received over 40 responses so far and it's only been out for about a week And last year our entire survey we only got like 38 responses for the whole open window So the fact that we already have 40 and it'll be open throughout the whole summer It's pretty cool. So i'm looking forward to seeing that We did Anyone who does take our survey will be entered to win a 200 dollar winco gift card that will draw in september And then i'm just reading off our fun little flyer that we put out with the every door direct mail That we printed out and we'll invite council members because wards 3 4 5 and 6 all have a chunk of franklin to the fort So we'll see who's available to show up for that So that's our biggest news for us And let's see um grant creek is next Okay, um I've noticed that the preparations for the roundabout going in the next full part Construction here Otherwise this spring i don't know because there's a lack of snow Notice quite a few grant creek ever Thought all i got All right, thank you um next is I'm gonna test a microphone here All right All right so heart of missoula is up next just a reminder for everyone to make sure that little green light is on in your microphone if you're here in the chambers Yeah, i'm t william pleasant and i live i'm on the leadership team for the heart of missoula council what we have going is on may 6th from 5 30 to 7 30 pm at east alder street by the x's they'll be down by locomotive You know where that is if you know that black locomotive Is here a couple blocks away here right over there actually that's where we're going to be having it We're looking at having free food music raffle those was it the Budsley charlie is going to be playing accompanying music in the background so It is a block party slash General meeting that we're going to have and then the 5th may 5th we're going to be having our regular elections and stuff And you know that's what we're working on right now As far as just our neighborhood right around here we are getting ready for the big update with the sam project where we're going to Be getting some new lighting in downtown missoula so much needed lighting so And can they Do you have anything else? All right, thank you very much All right, thanks, we can move to lewis and clark next I'm claire batalia Um, so at our april meeting. We had autumn lower come who's the city an engineer with the city of missoula to talk about the water main replacement project And I think she had done some outreach to the houses that are going to be impacted So we had a really good turnout for that meeting We spent a lot of time you know, with her kind of working with people individually on what that would look like Which is ultimately what what we would like to have all of our meetings look like um as people come because we Have presentations really every every meeting So we have our getting our schedule set for the year ahead. Um, we're going to get an update on the code reform We understand that there's been some changes to the mountain line Routes, uh, we think in our neighborhood that are either have happened or are going to happen. So we're hoping to have them come speak um stormwater um, i'm not sure if everybody knows but last year there was a algae bloom at bancroft pond that was Toxic to kids and pets and the city did a really good job of um, you know signing it But I think we'd like to do a little bit of work with the neighborhood on What we can be doing to you know keep that area clean and um Prepare people to you know know when that might come up again. Um as things get hot We have settled our general meeting for this year. We're changing the time and the place. Um, we moved it to october We were doing kind of the end of the summer Um, and we've had some problems with that being Pretty smoky and we've always met outside or we've met outside the past couple years. Um, It's great if it's nice out, but then I feel like we Lose some people because of the smoke so we're doing it at the butterfly house this year Um, which should be a really lovely space for that and then hopefully october will compete less with um I think last year we accidentally ended up on the sunday streets day, which was a bummer Um, and then we are also I think we got this idea from franklin to the fort doing the every door direct mail Um, we have a lot of Apartments in our neighborhood of like long-time renters and we've just had a hard time Notifying them of various things. Um Our attempts to sneak into the apartment buildings have not worked To leave flyers. So hopefully we'll we'll get kind of a wider base of people this year Um, but that's what we're up to Thanks, um next is lower rattlesnake Robert schultz lower rattlesnake We had our leadership team meeting on march 27th At the meeting we discussed the future rattlesnake or the future of prescott school And decided that it has no future Um, the city has put out back on the 14th of april they put out an rfp or uh Whatever somebody who's willing to develop the property And we'll all look at those plans and see if we Like them or not and put in our input We also discussed the neighborhood energy energizer grant that we received to update and add The bird signs in greeno park That's going through we discussed Going in the additional 460 dollars we have left over from our budget Since there was a slight shortfall in the project for the signs themselves And then uh a group called sound safe missoula met with the city engineer jeremy keene a couple weeks before that Having to do with the railroad crossing at madison street and taylor street trying to mitigate the horn noise After years of being Told that virtually nothing could be done They finally said that there's enough money in the that was appropriated a few years ago To go ahead and take care of the madison street crossing by putting up wayside horns So all of a sudden maybe something's going to happen, but we're not holding our breath And that's it All right, and miller creek is next Yeah, midora o'connor for miller creek We have really nothing to report at this time All right, so we can move on to moose kangully south 39th Kathy desha for um south 39th and moose kangully So we received an email this week that our neighborhood energizer grant Is going to be fully funded i'm really excited about this so i'm meeting with the principal at meadow hill middle school on monday And i'm gonna go over with her the plan for the Outdoor learning space where we're adding the ada pathway And a gazebo um It's it's going to be a really nice addition for the the kids in the neighborhood So we're going to get started on that right away I want to give a shout out to western deck of missoula who Is going to be helping to assemble the the gazebo and set it in cement so it can't blow away So we should have this project done Definitely by the end of summer And next is north side west side So our big news is oh, sorry catherine berman for north side west side our big news is that earlier in the year the missoula urban demo project mud was Taking applications for a shed that they had built And we applied for that And we were granted it so that just arrived today and we're super excited Wanted to thank front step for hosting it We plan on storing our sandwich boards in there to make those more accessible and reusable for various events as well as investing in various reusable supplies for events including you know Technic and other things to better host neighborhood activities. So we're really excited about that And rose park is next uh, leah shay from rose park um, i'm I'm On the board of the mud project and we loved your grant uh, or your application so really glad that it's going to a great place um Ours uh, for rose park I mean, we continue to work on planning for our general meeting um, we have our survey Developed um, and are going to launch it soon I loved your idea about the raffle um So I don't know anyways Try not to add on too many things, but that's a great idea. So thanks for sharing about that um And then our big news is that um, so Last month We found out that we received the energizer grant for a rain garden project Um, and the big contingency there is that It's a relatively large infrastructural project And with a lot of Like moving parts and so We found out that we received A fifty thousand dollar grant from western montana conservation commission Um to fund the rest of the money that we needed for the grant So this is going to go forward and the energizer grant fulf ills our the project needs like a certain percentage match requirement And so we're really thrilled that we'll be able to do something Um, because our neighbors have been asking for something to be done with that plot of land for over 10 years So we're excited about that Okay, and south gate triangle is next Carrie shiver south gate triangle. It's so awesome to hear what everybody's doing and your general meetings sound like more fun than ours We just had ours and Maybe had a dozen public there and I main goal for me this next year is to think about how to do different types of engagement And yeah, i'm just grateful for everything we learned from each other We also had a neighborhood energizer grant for irrigation for trees in bellevue park We've done a number of grants around bellevue and the trees and it's really awesome to see it all come together Um, I don't know if many people know where that is that south 39th and paxton street and it kind of Goes north of there towards russell, but it's a nice little Area in our part of town where you can walk away from cars for several blocks. So it's it's pretty cool um We continue to be concerned about the midtown commons uh development and trying to save our grove of trees along the waterway Expect that that sale will be moving forward Soon as the developer talks about wanting to start developing in july Um Did have some good results with getting a stop sign at an uncontrolled intersection after a second rollover Um, where I had the privilege of pulling the first kid out of the car So I was pretty lit up about pursuing that And um, our whole neighborhood was very excited about a month after the accident there boom we had signs we had um There's a few other tricky intersections as we Are looking towards this intense infill and um Great to know that there's lines of communication open with public works so that we can Hopefully get those attended to um Yeah, you guys are all awesome It's really it's really fun to hear all the different things going on at the various neighborhoods and needs and all the responses and projects So yeah glad to be here tonight Thanks carrie Um, I believe our last is university district Melissa am I the only one here? Yes, you're the only one here from university Sorry guys, I'm the spare. Um So hey, this is jenny the university district, you know things are always popping over here Um, this saturday gigantic Colosso huge It's the big event Thousands of university students will go into the neighborhood and help community members um Seniors regular folks um Nonprofit groups to come do a task where they give back In some they're helping certain groups uh paint the inside of their buildings Um, i've been lucky enough to get eight to ten of them to come to my house and wash 32 windows on our main floor Bless their souls And then they're gonna have um um concert um on the oval with food trucks and And it's It's an amazing opportunity That the university is using to build a new tradition And there's something I love about traditions and that's that you can build new ones And it's about wrapping the students that come to missoula thousands of them every year When that with an activity in fall But also a closing one where they give back in spring closing out their experience in missoula and Being part of our community So, um, everybody come on down to the university district onto campus this saturday Um evening for music food and fun And maybe we can encourage them to stretch the radius more than like a 10 15 minute walking because I know Heart of missoula could really benefit from this Even the south gate triangle the buses are free. Let's send these kids through missoula So, um, please come join us on saturday and be amazed about all the good things they've done and encourage more to expand for next year That's my report Awesome. Thank you jenny. I believe that concludes the neighborhood reports unless I missed anyone Um, all right, and then next is our city council liaison report from justin Yeah, thanks appreciate it. Um, since we were last year about a month ago Is a few things that i've come through council that I thought I'd just make reference to Happy to field any questions along the way, but there's been some public hearings first one. I wanted to touch on Was just whether or not to annex the mountain line maintenance operations and administrative base into the city That's a parcel located on whippoorwirl and west broadway just east of the airport The council ultimately did move to annex that into the city next there was a hearing in regard to the North reserve streets and scott street master plan and whether or not to include an additional 93 acres into that urban renewal district Um, so council heard that There's a public hearing early this month and ultimately did vote to approve that amendment So those 93 acres are going to be part of that urban renewal district A couple of the things that weren't hearings, but worth mentioning uh, shout out to melissa Melissa and clina on the 15th gave a really nice reports to the committee In regard to the neighborhood improvement grant funds and as you sounds like you guys got got notified, but i'm happy report that council Approved all of those and again Just worth shouting out really commendable efforts across the board So thank you all to you know Thank you all for putting in the work and and for engaging and being a part of that Thanks to the committee for reviewing those I know it's a lot of work and it's it's awesome to see these projects come through and It's awesome to hear the excitement and see you guys get rolling. So well done there And then just lastly city council did confirm six new officers for MPD 12 new firefighters for missoula fire department and confirmed the promotion of four firefighters to captain So again, just want to take a moment and thank those individuals for their service to to our community and congratulate them on firm And for my friend of grand creek I made a note that expo roundabout is going to start in june with a target completion of october so Keep a sharp eye, but yeah, they're gearing up to uh to start there. So That's all I have happy to field any questions if anybody has anything Thanks Thanks, justin with that is there a motion to adjourn I move to adjourn and a second lower rattlesnake second all right. Thanks everyone Thank you.

good evening everyone i'd like to go ahead and welcome you to the april 20th city council missoula city council meeting it is 6 0 2 p.m before we get started with our agenda if you will join me in the pledge of allegiance please thank you very much miss trimble will you do roll call please absolutely roll call beginning with anderson absent becerra present campbell here krask present jones present jordan present mccoy here nelson present nugent present content present savage present and cheryl present and we do have a forum excellent thank you very much uh we do have minutes from april 13th 2026 as part of the council agenda this evening any changes or any update those minutes questions all right all right not seeing any then they will remain as submitted thank you next up we have announcing changes to committee meeting agendas and committee membership approvals so committee schedule for this coming wednesday april 22nd um miss tremble any changes or um updates that you'd like to share no updates or changes in a short meeting this week just in the morning beginning at 9 30. excellent all right remembers of the public that information is on the city of missoula's bidding uh excuse me city department city clerk agendas web page you can find all the information out about upcoming committee meetings next we have agenda item number four which is special presentations and presentations and proclamations and we don't have any neighborhood council updates this evening but we do have one proclamation it is in recognition of earth day and it is in concert with missoula county okay missoula county and the city of missoula whereas the climate crisis is caused by human activity especially the burning of fossil fuels and is harming people and natural systems locally and around the world through worsening environmental disasters public health emergencies and economic disruption and whereas climate solutions including solar power and other clean energy options are affordable available and create significant additional benefits like economic development lower energy costs and clean air and water and whereas since its founding in 1970 earth day has united citizens around the world in a shared commitment to take action to protect our planet's natural systems and the people who rely on them and whereas the city of missoula and missoula county have committed to climate action for many years in alignment with the the 2015 paris agreement have shared commitments to climate resilience via the climate ready missoula plan and to achieving 100 clean electricity for the missoula urban area and are dedicated to policies and programs like our shared electrify missoula campaign that support the clean energy transition and whereas the earth day the new york city of missoula plan recognizes the new york city of missoula plan recognizes the urgent need for global investment in clean energy and energy savings and the importance of action from local communities and individuals it also underscores the significant social economic and public health benefits of climate solutions within our county and offers a role for everyone to act now therefore we the missoula board of county commissioners and the city of missoula in the state of montana to hereby recognize the 22nd day of april 2026 as earth day and call on our communities including all residents businesses and institutions to engage in the meaningful climate actions that are necessary to achieve our goals thank you all right next up on our agenda this evening is public comment for items that are not on the agenda the first period of public comment on items not on the agenda is limited to 20 minutes total with up to three minutes allotted per speaker each person may speak once per meeting concerning items that are not on the agenda in-person comments take precedence sign-ups is required and follows a first-come first-served basis the second period of public comment on items not on the agenda will follow immediately after the conclusion of all their business and continue until all comments have been taken so with that we'll open it up for public comment for items that are not on the agenda and our first uh public commenter this evening is brad molnar come on up i'll go ahead and turn the microphone on and if you will still state your name for the record i would appreciate that also i'll be keeping track of your three minutes up here so you can look for this little rd2 up here and it'll help you track yes uh i i appreciate that you'll you'll you'll know a lot in three minutes but you know a lot more than three and a half so you might want to give me a little bit of latitude there first of all thank you for the opportunity to address this body i would like to thank your staffer brandy wherever she is who helped me with this uh getting through the uh sign up part we share constituents and their concerns we also share personal concerns two of those concerns are my presentation on property taxes and utility rates for several years the press has been covering the fact that puget sounden energy was transferring their cold strip generation capacity to northwestern energy due to the lack of capital expenditure to build a plant this will be the lowest cost electricity in the united states to build that plan today would cost approximately 800 million dollars integrating this electricity into our portfolio rate based energy was going along as planned then northwestern was putting it in all their filings with us then northwestern energy filed with the federal regulatory commission to change the energy to market based the psc did not learn of this until long after the intervention deadline had passed northwestern kept it a closely held secret as we speak these 370 megawatts are slated to be used by new customers than by a data center as indicated by northwestern energy's most recent filing of their integrated integrated resource plant retail customers were never considered as recipients even for the two-year term this energy is not only amongst the lowest cost energy in the united states so it would generate the lowest utility bills to the nation but would also lower property taxes across northwestern energy's footprint by reducing electricity costs generated by schools and public buildings city and county to give you an idea of coal strip unit four which is part of the transfer that they picked up they want to sell on a two-year contract for 16.30 a megawatt hour same coal strip unit four you are currently paying 70 that's a 500 reduction all that i'm asking for at this time is a letter of support filed with the federally regulatory commission asking if they reconsider the decision that coal strips 370 370 megawatt shares are not valued at zero dollars and return the energy to rate based under the control of the montana public service commission for use by montanans as opposed to under the control of north western energy to be sold to the highest bear currently a data center to be built somewhere we we believe applied broadfield yes we have already lost they're requesting a rehearing they did this through conflated statements of those supporting the transfer of use we need not rely on such a canary truth and law are weapons in my last filing the only failure they cited me for was i didn't give what book or manual i got on how to uh figure in my shot off mr mollner you will have to wrap up your comments please okay i will what's not in this this gets bigger this is not a vote on data centers for con or how to implement and i mean like you'll have to wrap them up so if you can conclude we'll we'll go ahead and take anything you have written down if you wish to share that with council we're done you are okay thank you i appreciate it i do hold we do hold people close to three minutes otherwise we would uh we would we wouldn't really have a time limit that we're able to keep the meeting moving on thank you appreciate your coming down tonight thank you very much please give it to the officer there he'll make sure that the city clerk uh and uh distributes that to the council appropriately thank you mr mollner all right next up for public comment is uh andrew hers andrew hers come on up mayor davis council members thank you for allowing me to speak this evening my name is andrew hers h-i-r-s-s and i am a resident of east missoula the day after city council's february 2nd approval of the future land use plan zoning map i received the following information on august 15th of 2024 city cpdi sent a request to missoula county planning development and sustainability county pd nest to review and provide feedback on the draft of the 2045 future land use plan document and place types map county pds responded to cpdi on august 29th of city's place type map they wrote a close examination of the map reveals some areas of differences with what the draft place type map shows location specific comments are included in the map but particular areas of interest include the y east missoula west riverside and bonner milltown county pdns included a cross-reference table of county land use elements lues to cities place types as well as two geo database maps one that showed counties currently zoned land use elements for east missoula and the other that reflected what county believed should be the corresponding place types designation for east missoula cpdi did not respond to pdns's august 29th 2024 east missoula place type recommendations the place types assigned east missoula in the final draft of the place types map which county pd nest indicated were out of sync with county's lue designations for east missoula were approved by city council on december 16th 2024 during the future land use plan public hearings in the fall of 2024 cpdi staff stated the opposite case making statements to the effect that we worked really hard to mirror the place type designations with what is already allowable and designated by the county through their current through the recent growth plan update and zoning update the reason we did that is because the county did really deep and hard work with those community councils to come to those growth and zoning designations and we wanted to respect that work in most of not all of those neighborhoods there will be little to no degree of change between what's allowable on the ground today and what will be allowable under the plan cpdi's omission of counties august 29th 2024 stated position as regarded place type assignments east missoula may have swayed city council's decision based on incomplete information my question to you is this if council members had been aware in december of 2024 of county's substantive disagreement with cpdi on proposed east missoula place type assignments would city council have dug deeper to better understand why and listen more closely to east missoula residents who echoed the very same place type recommendations for east missoula the county pdns had put forth to cpdi in august of 2024 and if so might city consider revisiting the east missoula place type map sooner than later to right or wrong east missoulians had clamored for in both 2024 and 2045 future land use plan public review windows thank you mr hurst thank you for your consideration thank you for your time you bet thank you all right next up for public comment is candace bariani did i get that right hi i'm candace mancini i'm sorry candace mancini oh what did i just say sorry i i don't use these for reading so that's the problem oh that's okay candace mancini that's right that's what it says all right well thanks for hearing my comment you bet i live in ward 3 i'm here to follow up on your earth day proclamation and encourage you to stop spraying pesticides on our parks and other public spaces i believe you each understand the dangers of these chemicals and i also believe you do want to stop using them as encouragement to do so please take a moment to compare a weed a displaced plant with a chemical toxin for example consider the dandelion the dandelion is known to benefit humans its leaves flowers seeds and roots are used around the world for medicinal purposes and food and now consider a pesticide would anyone use this for medicine and food you've heard a lot about the risks in here and i'm sure you've read about them yesterday i saw a yahoo news article about the dangers of pesticides so it's clearly extended beyond environmental journals and into mainstream news childhood and adult cancers lung disorders parkinson's threat to wildlife and wildlife and pets degraded soil contaminated groundwater even if you don't believe in the benefits of the dandelion at worst it's harmless even if it's important to reduce the presence of displaced plants of displaced plants of weeds couldn't we do so without the use of this to be honest i'd rather have the weed than the poison but as smart and resourceful people who have been voted in by this community i believe you can figure out a way to do better i am confident you can find a way to maximize the reduction of weeds without poisoning our community and ecosystem thanks for listening thank you miss mancini appreciate your comments this evening all right next up on the sign up list is suzette dussault good evening i have a little um announcement to make an invitation to you all the university of of montana school of music the chamber chorale and the university choir is singing this friday and they're singing um which represents uh students from all over this the state of montana most of them are music ed students and they are singing um uh hoping to go back to their communities and become the music educators that it so inspired them and so i welcome you to the denison theater 7 30 on friday it is a free to all students k through university and so i welcome you there one of the things that we are singing is a song that i think has uh import for this time especially this week where we're honoring um earth day it's a song that is is called uh this is what was bequeathed to us and it speaks about this is what was bequeathed to us this the earth the beloved left and leaving left to us excuse me no other world but this one no other world no other shore on which the living gather this is what was bequeathed to us and i think it's pertinent for us to reflect on that at any time in our lives but it's but it is wonderful that these students have the opportunity to reflect on it at this very important part of their life one of the songs we sang last year was called legatum which is the latin word for legacy and again what is the legacy we hope to leave leave what is the legacy we hope to nourish and cherish uh work within our lives so i i welcome you to celebrate with us the joy of music and the importance of sharing um of sharing this gift um and how beneficial music is for the soul and uh the other thing is is that actually the rally on the No Kings Day I asked several of my friends who gathered there all 15,000 of my besties if they would sign a statement just a simple statement that says that they believe that the city owned lands that we've been talking about that are in the public should continue to be in the public's hands and should be used distinctly and reservedly for housing and I didn't get a lot of people I mean I didn't get to a lot of people but the ones I got to were very very supportive and they were surprised quite frankly that there was even a consideration that we would be selling public land so they want to put into land trust and dedicated to housing thank you for your comments this evening Ms. Dussault all right that is all of the folks that have signed up on the public comment for items that are not on the agenda sign-up sheet but we do have seven minutes left and seven minutes remaining if there is anybody in the audience that wishes to make public comment on items that are not on the agenda okay not seeing anybody in the room I'll just double check online okay no hands raised so thanks very much folks for coming down tonight that does wrap up our public comment for items that are not on the agenda so next we'll move on to public hearings and we do have one public hearing this evening state law and city council rules set guidelines for inviting community comment in a formal way on certain issues and following a staff report on each item the council the city council and the mayor invite community comment city council holds a public hearing on the item a member of council makes a motion and a vote is taken public hearing and vote take place on the same night unless there is a reason to hold the vote over to a later meeting date so our one public hearing this evening is item 6.1 North Reserve Scott Street Urban Renewal District planned amendment and we have Michael Hicks from the Missoula Redevelopment Agency here to present on this item Michael thank you Michael Hicks project manager Missoula Redevelopment Agency I'm going to share my screen so bear with me one moment okay so what's before you here today is the second reading of the ordinance that would expand the North Reserve Scott Street Urban Renewal District to include new property the property that we're looking at here is the phase one annexation property that came before council it is approximately 93 acres and contains parcels owned by Roseburg Resources Company and Story House and this is a portion of the overall 235 acre site where Roseburg used to operate in December the MRA board approved moving forward with this process ultimately council has the authority to amend URD plans and both Story House and Roseburg have submitted letters in support of this process so by way of context here what you see on the right is it represents the overall study area that was the basis for the creation of the North Reserve Scott Street District back in 2014 from there there was a master planning process that council adopted and then subsequent to that there were a couple annexation processes so what you're looking at kind of bounded by red there is I think ideally what the district would have looked like had all the property been within the city limits at the time of the study and then you'll note here under one of the urban renewal plan goals ultimately as property comes into the city through the annexation process the goal is to incorporate those properties into the URD to make the tool of TIF available for the many many infrastructure needs that that area contains so the other thing I just kind of wanted to draw your attention to here is this is a map of city utilities and what you'll see on the left is kind of what's already in place and then on the right you'll note that it's fairly bare that is the area that we're looking at today to bring into the urban renewal district so just by way of a little more context this process kind of kicked off coming before LUP a resolution intention was passed and once this ordinance is passed or if you vote to pass it tonight then it would become effective on May 20th and then from there we would submit our kind of final package to the Department of Revenue so our recommended action today is to adopt an ordinance amending North Reserve Scott Street Urban Renewal District plan to include additional property in that urban renewal district and with that I welcome any questions okay thank you Mr. Hicks do we have any council questions for Michael any council questions Councillor Campbell please yeah thank you Madam Mayor um appreciate presentation I was just wondering you had mentioned a 235 acre total on this and we're dealing with roughly 93 today what's the rationale for breaking that up in a different phase if you could refresh my memory on that my understanding is that the property owners are looking to see kind of how the master planning process concludes to kind of figure out what the remaining balance of the property uses are going to look like okay another family yeah thank you so in one of the staff reports it talks about and I see this mentioned in in two separate instances in the material that was provided to us that's attached to this agenda the infrastructure require investments of a magnitude beyond what MRA can fund a loan so how are we looking to find what's an excess of what MRA could fund a loan then I think private public partnerships so I think that you know there will be we would anticipate the private sector coming forward with ideas plans projects and from there you know there's going to be infrastructure needs that MRA would be able to support but there are going to be needs beyond that as well that's all I have thank you okay you bet counselor oh Rebecca Dale Bickle the chief administrative officer the other thing I'd add to Michael's response is that I mean this is this is a large undeveloped piece of land that's going to have you know significant infrastructure needs one thing that MRA has been able to do in the past that we think is true in this area too is because it brings the opportunity to have local match any new programs out there that are that we could apply for and we've been really successful in a lot of federal infrastructure grants makes us more competitive and able to get those things done and because infrastructure out there is being studied in our master plan we already have some of the infrastructure in our long range transportation plan like the consideration of a new exit in the area all those things and MRA would be one piece of all of that funding that's available excellent thank you for that additional context and Annie I saw your hand was raised I think you probably had some of the same comments to augment there so if you have anything in addition to share just raise your hand again and let us know in the meantime Councillor Nugent thank you Mayor Davis just to clarify because I think where Councillor Campbell was going that annexation of that area we cannot annex or we cannot extend the district outside of city limits correct that's correct so we would have to wait to do anything else until that annexation is finished and that won't happen until the master planning process correct all right thanks thank you Councillor Campbell additional question thank you ma'am mayor to Mr. Bickle on the points made about public matching of any federal programs that might be out there as of now are there federal programs that you know putting approval tonight of what's before us that we'll be looking to apply for is there anything out there on the horizon specifically the city you know the traditional build grant or previously tiger and different we there isn't we don't we're not putting in wait a minute now I'm rethinking this mayor you might have to help me out we the recent applications that we have turned in is for is for the project out in the mullen build area and if you recall we were awarded about half of the original project budget now my memory is actually failing me did we actually put the application in for phase two or we were waiting on that that is the one project that I can't remember off the top of my head for the next round of build grants opportunity yes we did for the remaining Bolin area and particularly so we could complete ideally George Elmer Drive out there investment so that's again because that federal grant had only been funded half to the project area so we have so much momentum that's why we went for that build grant area but that's the kind of grant that we would be able to go after for this area and subsequent to that we would be looking at this is going to be a high priority area really developable sites lots of opportunities to check the box on a lot of different community goals so this would be a high priority area for a future application like that I appreciate that one more if I may for staff so is this measure we're complaining tonight does that do anything to the sunset date for that URD no the sunset date is impacted by bonding okay thank you for your questions um miss gorski I see your hand has come up and down a couple times and not sure if you're having any technical challenges with keeping your hand raised but if you have any additional comment or context to provide please go ahead and unmute now if you don't unmute I'll say we don't thank you the only thing I was asking the question regarding infrastructure and funding is that is part of the scope of the consulting group that we have working on the master plan is to help us identify phasing for the infrastructure as well as programs to help fund them looking at specific grants so that's the only piece thank you excellent thank you for adding that appreciate that councillor nugent thank you mayor davis i was hoping staff could provide a little more context to the numbers councillor campbell was putting out there i think sometimes bob and i talk about things and i want to make sure that the public watching on mcat understands what we're talking about so those larger numbers those are not city investments the hope is to spur investment and we're talking how was that number generated i'm sorry how did you come up with that which i'm sorry which number are you referring to you referenced 272 million i'm sorry did you say 272 million dollars i think the only thing you might have referred to is the 235 acres that is i might be conflating i heard acres earlier so sorry but following the conversation um i confused bob others might it's possible um but you then you answered a question of his with spurring private development you talked about public private partnerships and so i guess what i want to make sure is that anybody watching online understands that expanding this district doesn't mean that the city is investing in all the business or the potential future growth out there i mean you can explain that projects themselves can end up helping fund the public needs in the area so you know a new project could bring in increment growth and that new level of increment would go into the budget of the district which would help then pay for future infrastructure projects so so for the benefit of the public the business that's out there in the parcel that we're talking about right now obviously may or may not have long-term plans and to to kind of grow in the district they would have to apply just like anyone else there's no guarantees just by expanding into the district there's no projects planned or anything like that thank you for your questions thanks thanks for all good information and presenting on this and I don't know if this is a question for you or Annie and it's it's well I'm curious this is you know we're talking about the annexation expanding the URD all of these initial steps to basically create the foundation and I want to give a shout out to Roseburg for their incredible collaboration so that this 93 acres is location with proximity to so much in Missoula but I don't know can someone answer what is the time frame put like we are laying the foundation right now and all sorts of things can happen out there but do we have a conservative time frame of when development would start on this are we looking at 5 10 15 years just to kind of people to start to understand the process I think any can correct me if I get these dates wrong but I believe the master planning process is set to conclude in September and I believe adoption is slated for October and then beyond that the entire site is going to redevelop all at once so I think that from there one thing that's important to keep in mind is we have to see how these projects come forward in various phases any additional follow-up yeah I know it exactly I can tell you it'll happen sooner if it's in an urban district than if it wasn't Councillor Campbell or Councillor Nugent oh sorry I did not mean for my hand to oh okay okay great thank you any additional questions from council all right not seeing any then we'll go ahead and hear the main motion whose committee is this it's this land use and planning thank you I figured it would be but I'll double check thank you Councillor Nugent I move City Council adopt an ordinance amending the North Reserve Scott Street urban renewal plan to include additional property in the district all right so the motion is on the floor this opens the public hearing we'll start with public comment on this agenda item anybody wishing to make public comment please come on up to the microphone now evening good good thanks for considering this tonight I think Michael touched on this and so did several of you this very important chunk of and I not seeing any in the room how about online no hands raised online one last call for public comment on this agenda item okay that wraps up the public hearing we'll bring it back to council for any additional questions or comments from council members no questions I just want to say this is a really important step in a series of events that it has taken a long time to get to this point and there's a tremendous amount of potential in this area and I just want to thank everyone who has been involved in making this happen Roseburg MRA MEP city and county departments and everyone else who's been working kind of behind the scenes to look at the best uses for this piece of property in our community that's hopefully going to be a really good connector east to west and north to south and provide all kinds of opportunities so happy to support the annexation thank you thank you for your comments appreciate that council campbell thank you ma'am mayor you know to this point I found it pretty intriguing the idea of the possibilities of redeveloping that whole sector up there north of railroad tracks and I recently voted for the annexation of property and today now we're talking about annexation to the URD that's up there and I think so far I'll continue to be along for the ride so to speak on this I'll vote in support I think you know the big ticket items the meaty part of this still is yet to come with in what way and to what extent we're going to spend MRA dollars up there and you know that's a discussion still to be had and you know I'd be interested to see how we go forward in that conversation that discussion for that but for the here and now I'll support the annexation to the URD thank you for your comments councilor Nugent thank you mayor Davis I will be in support as well and I think I want to draw attention to the utility map that Michael shared because I think that that's a really important piece you know a lot of our conversations over the last several years have involved growth and trying to focus inward and this parcel obviously as the traditional mill uses have ended and even the space around it it's grossly underutilized given its location and it's surrounded by the interstate and major Missoula roadways kind of in every direction and one of the big barriers to developing it will be infrastructure and we know that water infrastructure proper sewer infrastructure cost serious money and I know one of the things I think the MRA does very well and maybe doesn't get the appropriate amount of credit the public is helping improve infrastructure in the districts and I think that it's a safe bet that whatever happens out there that's going to be a part of it and I think that alone is a good justification because you look at kind of limited utility area next to so much urban development and to me that is exactly what urban renewal dollars should be used on I think it's a perfect example of using tax money responsibly to bring public infrastructure so I look forward to seeing how this goes over the next couple years I look forward to the results of the master plan and if that makes sense to all of us potentially annexing the rest of it and we'll see where we go from here thank you appreciate your comments councillor jones I'll just briefly echo what my co-councillors have said I think this is a this is a big step forward to really be laying this foundation for ultimately there to be development here and that is what we need in Missoula we need more housing we need yeah it to be a great economic driver and it's just so strategically located within Missoula to tap into different parts of Missoula with reserve street the downtown all of this it's a great project and that's I think this council in the city this is going to be taking up a lot of time and energy in the next five or ten years this is what's coming so we're laying these initial steps down now and I think this is a great use of tax increment financing and happy to support expanding the URD to get the ball rolling thank you for your comments councillor jones any additional council comments before we take a vote all right well then we'll go ahead and do a roll call vote Ms. Ripple please all right voting on this evening's public hearing a motion to amend the north reserve scott street urban renewal plan to include additional property in the district beginning with Becerra yes Campbell yes krask yes jones yes jordan yes mccoy aye melson yes nugent yes ponton yes savage yes and cheryl yes and that motion passes unanimously excellent thank you all very much michael thank you so much for your staff presentation and Annie being online and being available as a resource thank you I'd also just like to mention for council members as well as members of the public here in the audience and online that this project is on engage missoula which is the platform that we have projects where we're seeking public engagement the title of this project is called reserve to Scott Street Master Plan 2026 there's currently a survey that is open asking for community input and then there is a total of three public open houses or workshops associated with this master planning effort the first has already been held and on that reserve to Scott Street Master Plan page you can see the information boards that were shared with the public and then on this site there'll also be announcements when the next two open houses and workshops are going to be held and all public are invited and encouraged to come so thank you very much for that all right that does wrap up our public hearings this evening we do not have any new business so we'll next move on to our consent agenda which is long a lot of business done in committees this last week or so I did I'll go ahead and ask Ms. Trimble to read the consent agenda I've been noticed on a couple of requests for separating a couple items and I'll mention that at the end there on this evening's consent agenda we begin with a motion to approve accounts payable or claims for checks dated April 21st 2026 in the amount of $1,573,077.18 we have a motion to confirm the mayor's reappointment of Aaron Castorellanos Margie Costa and Sam Duncan to the Parks and Recreation Board for terms beginning May 1st 2026 and expiring on April 30th 2029 and to promote Tyler Albertson to alternate one for the term beginning May 1st 2026 and expiring on April 30th 2029 we have a motion to confirm 12 firefighters and four captains we have a motion to confirm six police officers we have a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign an agreement with the Missoula County to register sexual and violent offenders whose home address is within the city limits we have a motion to confirm the mayor's appointment appointments to the Missoula Redevelopment Agency board reappointment of Jack jack to the neighborhood to the neighborhood to the neighborhood improvement grant funds to certain individuals and directing staff to negotiate contracts with said individuals for the mayor's signature we have a motion to approve the resolution relating to $850,000 subordinate lien sewer system revenue bond or DNRC water pollution control state revolving loan program taxable series 2026A authorizing the issuance and prescribing the forms and terms thereof and the security thereof we have a motion to approve the resolution relating to water system revenue bond preliminarily authorizing the issuance of private negotiated sale of such bonds and authorizing the process of selecting a purchaser thereof we have a motion to approve the resolution relating to the special road district system revenue bond preliminarily authorizing the issuance and private negotiated sale of such bonds and authorizing the process for selecting a purchaser thereof we have a motion to confirm the mayor's reappointment of Kim Seberger and Paul Filicetti to the cemetery board for a term beginning May 1st 2026 and expiring on April 30th 2029 we have a motion to authorize the mayor to sign the professional services agreement amendment number two with WGM group Inc for the South Avenue safe streets and roads for all grant project at a cost not to exceed $485,570.19 we have a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to approve the bid award to Western Municipal Construction Inc for the Lamoureux Step Decommissioning Project at a cost not to exceed $513,432 and authorize the return of bid bonds we have a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign the professional service agreement with White Engineering for North 4th Street Water Main $815,500 we have a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to sign the professional service agreement with IMeg for Sherwood and Shakespeare Water Main Replacement at a cost not to exceed $83,770 and finally we have a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to approve the bid award to O'Keefe drilling for the West End Farms Park Test Well Project at a cost not to exceed $81,730 and to authorize the return of bid bonds All right thank you very much Councillor Jordan your hand is raised Yeah thank you sorry Sure Just would like to separate out 9.6 and can I speak to it when it's appropriate please When it's appropriate you bet it's 9.6 9.6 thank you Great you bet all right so and Councillor Campbell had contacted me earlier thank you myself and President Nugent so Councillor Campbell would like to separate item 9.1 and 9.13 so we do have three items that we will separate from the consent agenda 9.1 9.6 and 9.13 so before we get to those particular separated items we'll go ahead and do a voice vote on the remaining consent agenda please all right voting on most of the consent agenda all in favor say aye aye and any opposed and that passes unanimously okay thank you very much I'll go ahead and just take these one at a time and we'll go ahead Councillor Campbell and start with 9.1 please thank you ma'am mayor I appreciate you making this accommodation and allow me to speak to it briefly my concern with one of the items for invoices this go around bottom of page 8 is a check amount north of $482,000 to DJNA for continuing to work with downtown SAM project I think my background and voicing of my disapproval of that project is well known at this point so I'm not going to go a lot of detail on that but to me it's just an issue of consistency and not supportive of the project not supportive of this expenditure now and I realized every time this comes up it's like well it's kind of an all or nothing and we need to pay our bills and perhaps once again we need to talk about having a discussion of doing line item or some sort of reconciliation process to allow us to address these one at a time but being as it may now with the options that are available I can good conscious authorize you ma'am mayor to cut check on this so I'll be voting no on 9.1 okay thank you counselor Campbell counselor jones jordan 9.6 I had a J there you know you were close and you looked at me when you said it yeah thank you I don't want to discredit the MRA for the good work that they do I have consistently had concerns about how the MRA's budget is treated differently than other city budgets and how they don't have any elected representation on their board and I have constituents who reached out to me expressing those concerns and saying that essentially it's taxation without representation and I would like to see board members for the MRA come before city council the way the other board member spots are filled where we get applications and we do interviews on the council floor and approve this as a body just to start getting some elected oversight on the MRA and how they're spending money and prioritizing the TIF dollars that they're receiving because I feel like it's a bit of a rogue agent at the moment and I'd like to rein it in and make sure that the money is being spent in ways that really matter to Missilians and to make sure that the people on the board are really representative of Missoula voters and their wishes so I will be a no for this and thank you for pulling it out I appreciate it sure no problem I do believe mayoral appointments are elected representative appointments though thank you may I respond to that not council elected officials but the mayor I'm just saying you said there's no elected representatives appointing these board members and I want to clarify for the record that the mayor is an elected position here and they are mayoral appointments I think my point got lost may I clarify sure go right ahead yeah I'd just like to see like an elected person actually on the board not as an ad hoc member like we have Mr. Nugent I'd like to see more city council engagement with the MRA and how they're prioritizing their funding and have a like you're right you are an elected official I apologize I didn't mean to skip that point you sit with constituents better so thank you for that clarification you're welcome thank you councilor Jordan all right councilor Campbell 9.13 once again thank you madam mayor so 9.13 the La Moreau of the middle creek project I had some concerns last week I voted to approve it though I did voice some concerns on two fronts and that's based on just my experience on council thus far and regular feedback I received from neighborhood association of lower middle creek up there for quite some time now about traffic traffic parents traffic accessibility limitations on vehicular traffic throughways in that neighborhood think of lower middle creek upper middle creek potentially Jeff drive might be in play in this particular project but so in light of those concerns that have been made known to me repeatedly from neighborhood association I had concerns with some information that at the time this came to committee was in my estimation incomplete first off fire department feedback in terms of their take on that project specifically with regard to station number five which is beyond that point in the project and how that may come into play with their ability to provide adequate fire protection services for that neighborhood and beyond so I've voiced that concern and since that time I've learned that they have actually worked on this with city staff and in fact my understanding is basically they were addressing this concurrently with our committee meetings last week so that addressed that concern I had and secondly the concern I had with just a fact again limitations on ingress and egress that neighborhood up there and the impacts this project would have I feel I feel confident that we've explored all possibilities there are reasonable possibilities with traffic configuration and that everything's been vetted to the greatest degree possible to both allow this project continue and address traffic concerns and mitigate that in the most efficient way possible and you know it's probably at the end of the day still going to upset a lot of people that live up in that area for a period of time but as my colleague Mr. Nugent said the work has to be done I just want to make sure that we're contemplating all the what ifs so to speak with that and traffic patterns up there so I'll be going in support of that but I just want to make sure that those concerns were accurately addressed before making that vote tonight so thank you you bet thank you so we'll go ahead and do roll call votes on each of these items please starting with 9.1 right doing a roll call vote on item 9.1 which is to approve accounts payable or claims for checks dated April 21st 2026 beginning with Campbell no Krask yes Jones yes Jordan yes McCoy aye Nelson yes Nugent yes Ponton yes Savage yes and Becerra yes and Cheryl votes yes as well oh sorry I didn't scroll down far enough thank you and that has 10 in favor 1 opposed thank you moving on to item 9.6 to confirm the mayor's reappointments to the redevelopment agency board beginning with Krask yes Jones yes Jordan no McCoy yes Nelson yes Nugent yes Ponton yes Savage yes Cheryl yes Becerra yes and Campbell yes that also has 10 in favor 1 opposed and finally item 9.13 a motion to approve and authorize the mayor to approve the bid award to western municipal construction for the Lamoureux step decommissioning project beginning with Jones yes Jordan yes McCoy yes Nelson yes Nugent yes Anton yes Savage yes Gerald yes Becerra yes Campbell yes and Krask yes and that passes with 11 in favor none opposed all right thank you all very much that wraps up our consent agenda moving on to regular business we have no items listed under agenda item number 10 regular business so next we'll move on to public comment for items that are not on the agenda this is our second slot for this opportunity on our agenda so again public comment for items that are not on the agenda anybody wishing to make public comment this evening okay not seeing any in the audience is there anybody online Ms. Schreiber go ahead and unmute yourself I'll go ahead and time you from this side thank you very much I want to echo what Councillor Jordan was saying about MRA not being handled in the typical way that other departments are in town I just went through the six week city government academy and that was very interesting but the budgeting piece of MRA this wasn't laid out in very understandable proportion but when we slow down and look and see that MRA is working with more money than the police department more money than the fire department more money than the parks department it's I mean that's a lot of taxpayer expenditure and I totally second all of Councillor Jordan's comments about public process and priorities and as we increase renewal district to 93 acres I'm sure this is a very good opportunity for those business owners that you are praising for being a part of the process this is an investment in their asset and it's just such a huge amount of money that MRA is working with the public really would like to have more say and more transparency thank you for your comments this evening Ms. Schreiber any other members of the public online that wish to make public comment this evening Mr. Davis go ahead and unmute yourself and I'll start the timer for three minutes on my side thank you mayor Davis can you hear me yes I can great and council representatives I appreciate what Ms. Schreiber just said too from the public I too I'm another long time Zulian and in my spare time I host a reserve street public working group and I was in on one of the recent MRA sessions about the URD in the area I too am trying to get a better understanding of how MRA functions and how tax increment financing is used in various projects so I'll try to get more engaged in that respect and then I have good news related to Earth Day coming up we've got a small group of us have are hosting and organized the 8th annual reserve street bridge cleanup and it's as far as I know the one day out of the year that the Montana Department of Transportation opens the gates to the public to the reserve street bridge area where members of the public can venture down into the watershed and acknowledge and appreciate the pretty significant restoration a lot of us have been responsible for actually picking up trash raising awareness getting our county commissioners and some city council members involved in that project so it's good reason to celebrate this Wednesday if you have any time between 9 a.m. and 2 p.m. we're parking on the southeast side of the reserve street bridge on Davis street and we'll have vests and trash bags or if folks just want to take self-guided tours that will be an option to celebrate Earth Day thank you thank you very much Mr. Davis appreciate your comments all right any other members of the public online okay not seeing any there's one hand raised but that is Mr. Davis and so he has a chance there looks like we've wrapped up all of our public comment for items that are not on the agenda thank you very much I appreciate that all right that does wrap up our public comment and communications from the mayor I really wasn't going to comment on anything tonight but I don't like to let things sit if there's a misunderstanding about some information and so one thing I just heard as a comment from the public that I thought would be worth pointing out to the public and it's easily available on the city of Missoula's website is that the FY26 budget for Missoula Redenomment Agency was around $9 million it's around $14 million for parks and recreation and that's the same for public works each of those three departments have bonding capacity so I just want to give a comparison there there was some comment that MRA's budget was far exceeding those other departments and that information again is available online for all members of council and the public to see and then the other thing that I would just mention is that no board has elected officials on it so it is not MRA's board does not act unlike other boards and commissions but it is important to recognize that it is different by state statutory authority so the Missoula Redevelopment Agency is an agency of the city according to state law and that is something that of course we follow very carefully here so I just want to point that out for the record and appreciate the conversation and the comments this evening and with that I'll go ahead and bring it to general comments of city council members and I'll start with you councillor Jordan I'll pass tonight thank you you bet absolutely and councillor McCoy I'll pass thank you sure you bet and councillor Campbell yeah thanks just real quick point of clarification I had mentioned possible traffic impacts to Jeff drive earlier dealing with La Moreau project actually meant Jack drive I think might be impacted by that that's a I throw that out there thank you I appreciate your care and concern there thank you and councillor Cheryl nice to see you welcome back thank you I am very happy to be back and I have no comment tonight okay thank you councillor Nugent thank you mayor Davis just a couple things to point out obviously once items get to consent agenda to pay our bills if we don't pay them we're going to be in debt to someone so I just think that I do echo some of councillor Campbell's concerns about understanding the full scope of projects but once they're there I think it's important for the public to know whether a council member supports a project or not that is more of a decision to pay for bills that the council has already approved expenditure on and actually allowed the city to spend the money so I think that just for anyone watching is important the I appreciate the mayor kind of referencing the urban renewal district or the renewal agency under state law a majority of those commissioners on the urban renewal agency board must not hold any other elected office that's actually in the statute 715 4235 so I think that's just important to note that you see some especially smaller counties have the board of county commissioners kind of serve to oversee a single district but in a place like Missoula where there are several districts opted a different version of this council opted to have an agency oversee it then we step into that role where it's governed by board commissioners that's appointed by the mayor it's all kind of laid out in state statute and as far as the budget comments I think that often and we've seen this in budget conversations over the years the bonded future debt sometimes confuses people because often when we're approving budgets we're approving what has been committed to pay off over a period of time in the bonding it's often after the project has already been in front of the board so sometimes that confuses people but I do not believe that the MRA's budget on an annual basis is bigger than the police or fire departments and I think that maybe what might be happening there is the actual yearly spend plus the long-term bonding which is normal for large projects might be being lumped together on that so just for anybody following on I think those are good pieces of information thank you councillor Nugent councillor jones all right and councillor savage thank you councillor becerra yeah I just want to go back to the Lamro item that we just voted on and I understand my colleagues concerns and I would argue that that's true for all neighborhoods around Missoula where traffic gets disrupted because of important work that needs to happen but I just want to commend our public works department I know that they always collaborate and work in tandem with all our emergency service providers to ensure that we can maintain safety throughout all the different neighborhoods and throughout our communities so I just want to put that out there and make sure people don't assume that we're not taking care of that collaboration and coordination within departments every time we have unimportant public works work that needs to happen in our community thanks appreciate that thank you councillor Becerra councillor ponton thanks mayor davis I will pass tonight sounds good and councillor krask I'll also pass thank you all righty councillor melthon all right thank you so much appreciate everybody there is no one online to provide council comments so with that folks we will go ahead and adjourn our meeting at 7 10 p.m thanks for coming down tonight thanks everybody

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This means we had a total of 35,000 to grant this year. For each award, we can award up to $6,000. Projects must be within city limits and or benefit city residents. The project must be completed within a reasonable amount of time. We usually urge folks to attempt to get the projects done within 18 months. This year we had 12 grant applications submitted with a total of $54,671.82 requested. So this is a quick overview of the grant project process before submittal. The neighborhood individual organization first identifies a project idea. Then they reach out to our office for a pre-application discussion. This helps our office understand what the project is and help direct them to the departments that they need to speak with. The neighborhood's office is a resource to help with these grants since many folks may not know what is needed. We then hold a grant workshop where possible grant applicants can come to learn more about the application and the process. The grant applicant would then coordinate and consult with identified agencies and land managers. This is a crucial step to make sure that these projects are feasible and on the radar for departments that will need to help implement the projects. Once that is complete, the grant applicant must coordinate neighborhood support. This can be done through neighborhood surveys, petitions, letters of support. Specifically, the grant application must have neighborhood support through a letter of support or a motion of support through minutes from a leadership team meeting or a general meeting. Once the applicant has everything they need, then they would compile the application and submit. Each year, we have a grant subcommittee that consists of members of the community forum and the neighborhood leadership teams. This year, we had Bill Van Horn from the Lewis and Clark neighborhood, Bradley Layton from Lower Rattlesnake, Jen Morell from Franklin of the Fort, Judy Molland from Upper Rattlesnake, Kate Wilson from River Road, Lisa Carpenter from University District, and Jennifer Savage was our city council representative. We also had an internal grant scoring committee, which consisted of staff from community planning, development, and innovation, parks and recreation, and transportation staff. So this is our timeline for the committee and the grant applications. We have created this to better align with city departments so that we can, for the grant projects to align better with the work plans of the city department. So we had the grant application submitted on December 1st, and then we gathered comments from both our internal and external subcommittees on February 6th. Our first grant review subcommittee meeting was on February 20th, where we went through all of the different grants. Then the team met again on March 19th to discuss questions that they had asked the grant, some of the grant applicants . And then March 23rd was their final recommendation for funding. We did bring this presentation and these recommendations to the community forum on March 26th, and these recommendations were approved unanimously from the community forum. So today we are here in front of the city council committee and hopefully it will go for final approval on city council on the 20th. This is the scoring rubric that our subcommittees use to score the grants. So as you can see, we look at the project description, look at if there's a clear articulation of the project goals and the project vision, see if there is any physical improvements. We also look at the community need and benefits. We look at the demonstrated community engagement. And finally, we look at the project feasibility. As you can see, a big portion of our scoring does land with community need, benefit, and engagement. So now we will move on to the grant applicants applications for this fiscal year. These are -- we had 12, like I had mentioned, so these are the first eight. And these are the applications that were submitted this year with the subcommittee's recommendations for funding. We will be going through each grant proposal in more depth. And with that, I will hand it over to Melissa to go through our projects. Oh, one more thing, sorry. This was the grant scoring of all of the different projects . So as you can see, we had a score out of 1,200. And this was the ranking of all of the projects. As you can see, very tight scoring. So we will go through our recommendations now. Okay. Well, first up, we have the Bully birdwatching trail signs in Green Oak Park. So this was our highest rated -- our highest scoring application. It's in the lower Rattlesnake neighborhood, and it aims to design and install a new sign with the chick adee, who is Helen Bully's favorite bird. Update and replace the large main sign to include an honoring of Helen Bully. Review, revise as necessary, and reprint some of the existing signs. And then replace existing frames and support structures for the signs. This grant had a lot of fantastic community support. There were eight letters of support from Helen and Arnold's son, the Montana Bird Advisory Advocacy Organization, Neighbors, the lower Rattlesnake leadership team, and other community organizations. The scoring committee really enjoyed hearing the history of Helen Bully and her work. The total budget for this was $9,600, and they asked for $6,000 for this grant. The grant subcommittee has recommended full funding for this grant at $6,000. Next we have the rain garden in the Slant Street Gateway. This project is in the Rose Park neighborhood and aims to build a demonstration rain garden in the East Triangle of Plymouth and Mount Avenue. Specifically, the project's going to construct a bioret ention rain garden with graded inflow, engineered soils, mulch, and native pollinator supportive plantings. It's going to install interpretive signage, explaining the stormwater function, native species, and ways that residents can replicate a rain garden on private property. They would like to host community workshops and volunteer planting days to encourage residents, transfer some of this knowledge, and build local stewardship. The funding for this would go towards seven native trees, interpretive signage, and mulch. The scoring committee loved the community support for this project. They have 10-plus years of neighborhood meetings that talk about doing an improvement to this specific area. There was also really great support from the City of Missou la and community organizations. They applied to other grants to meet their full project budget. The full project budget is $50,731. They requested $6,000, and the grant subcommittee recommended full funding with $6 ,000. Next we have Cool Schools at Russell Elementary School. The project, this project is in the Lewis and Clark neighborhood. It is aiming to plant nine trees at Russell Elementary that were lost during the windstorm of 2024. The goal is to bring together MCPS staff, students, volunteers, and neighbors to strengthen climate resilience, increase public health, increase the visual appeal of the campus, and create a more comfortable educational environment, and much more. The scoring committee saw a really great community support from the neighbors and parents at the school, and was encouraged that this was a multi-phased project that will help reduce heat and improve quality of life. Their project total is $8,956, and they requested $6,000. The grant subcommittee recommended partial funding at $5, 000. Next we have Irrigation for Bellevue Park Trees. This project is in the Southgate Triangle neighborhood and aims to install drip irrigation throughout Bellevue Park, which is a continuation of a previous grant that aimed to plant trees in the northeastern corner of Bellevue Park to provide shade, improve air quality, and create habitat, serve as a windbreak, and transform the currently bare field into a more inviting and vibrant space. The scoring committee liked the collaboration with Parks and Recreation's department, and it is in direct alignment with the Bellevue map Park Master Plan. They also see this as a successful project with long-term benefits. The total project was $8,000, and they requested $6,000. The grant subcommittee has recommended partial funding at $4,500. Next we have Meadow Hill Outdoor Learning Space Revital ization. This project is in the South 39th neighborhood and is the second phase of a previously awarded grant. The project aims to further improve the space by adding a gazebo for shade and constructing an ADA pathway. The scoring committee loved the proposal and the work that they have already done in this space. They also think it's a great connection with the school in a neighborhood with not a ton of third spaces for community to gather. Their budget is $9,160, and they requested $6,000. The grant subcommittee has recommended full funding at $6, 000. Next we have the Sixth Street Pocket Park. This project is in the Franklin of the Fort neighborhood and aims to create a small pocket park at the dead end on 6 th Street and transform it into a vibrant green space and a safe walkway for pedestrians. The scoring committee loved the small project idea and saw the benefit of enhancing this underutilized space with a smaller amount of funding. They requested $2,000, and the grant subcommittee has recommended partial funding at $1,500. Bonnie's Place Speed Table project is also in the Franklin of the Fort neighborhood and will install a speed table in the resident owned community at 2,200 South 5th Street West to manage speeding in the alleyway. The scoring committee agreed that although the project had a smaller community benefit, they also saw that it could be a really big impact for the community. Transportation safety has also been a large priority for the neighborhood. Their total budget was $6,000. They requested $6,000, and the grant subcommittee has recommended partial funding at $4,000. Free the Northside Block Party is our next grant. It is a project for the Northside neighborhood and aims to host a block party to showcase the community organizing history in the neighborhood as well as celebrate the renaming of the recently reopened pedestrian bridge over the railroad. The scoring committee loved the community connection piece and the large amount of community support for this project. It was a very different kind of grant proposal, and through the committee discussions, the team saw the importance of the project for the neighborhood and for the broader community. Their budget was $3,000, and they requested $3,000, and the grant subcommittees recommended partial funding at $2,000. Willard School mural project. This project is in the Riverfront neighborhood and aims to paint a mural on the bull bout section on 6th Street by Willard School. It's a continuation of a similar project that was just done at Lowell School. The grant did score higher because the community loved -- the committee loved the idea and saw the impact of the previous project. However, there was no confirmed approval from Willard School or confirmed feasibility from Public Works and Mobilities Department. So due to these reasons, the committee did not recommend funding for this project. However, the committee encourages the project to come back next year. Next, we have Splash Montana Control Box Art Project. This project is in the Lewis and Clark neighborhood and would replace artwork that had been destroyed previously a few years ago. The vinyl wrap showcased historical art boxes in Missoula that are no longer on the control boxes. The scoring committee liked the community support. However, it did score low among the applications and due to budget constraints, the committee has decided not to recommend funding for this project for this year, but encourages the project to come back in the future. Next, we have our one-sided park message board. This project is in the Miller Creek neighborhood and would install a one-sided message board at Maryland Park to serve as a place where neighbors could find information from the city or the neighborhood. The scoring committee loved the idea and support for the project. However, Parks and Rec did not give their support for the project. Our office is working with the department to possibly create a policy in the future to do a project like this, but due to this reason, the committee decided not to recommend funding for this project. And then lastly, we have Mullen Road Walkway Landscaping. This project is in the Captain John Mullen neighborhood and would replace trees damaged from the windstorm of 2024, remove tree stumps, and help plant the new trees. The scoring committee saw the benefit for the project. However, the grant narrative was more aligned with their previous idea of doing more traffic safety improvements in the area and did not match the tree -- not match with the tree project. There was concern about the broader community benefit and improvement. Due to these reasons and budget constraints, the committee decided not to recommend full funding -- or funding for this project. I'm going to pass it back to Kalina. So I wanted to go over some of the committee considerations that were taken during the process for the subcommittee to recommend this funding. Even though we did have more funding this year, it was still a really tough decision for the committee. They met three times. The first meeting was to fully review all projects and share thoughts and concerns. They had a few follow-up questions for some of the projects , and those were sent out to the applicants after the meeting had adjourned. The second meeting was focused on the answers to those questions and further discussion about the projects. The third meeting was when they finalized the funding recommendations. The funding recommendations the committee decided on were created through their individual scoring, committee discussion, and the follow-up questions and answers that they had heard from the applicants. The committee decided that they felt the priority for projects should go to where they could provide the most impact and which projects had confirmed feasibility to move forward. The group saw the benefit of all the submitted grant projects and wanted to express that if a grant proposal was not awarded this year, the team would like to see it in the future. So, to sum up, we had 12 applications with a total of $54,671.82 requested. The grant subcommittee is recommending funding eighth of the 12 applications, which would total $35,000. The community forum passed these recommendations at their March meeting on March 26th, and we are now bringing this resolution of support to City Council, and if approved, we will move forward with contracting with the organizations and individuals, and these projects will begin shortly thereafter. I just wanted to point out that on the screen, we do have it divvied out for where the projects will get their funding from, since park district funds and road district funds would need to fund projects that fall within those areas, and so this is how we had laid it out during the recommended funding. And with that, Melissa and I would be happy to expand on any of these projects or answer any questions. Great, thank you both. Lots of good information. I've got a couple of great suggestions. We'll go to Justin first. Thanks, Madam Chair. I want to make the recommended motion and speak to it when appropriate, please. Okay, thank you. That motion is in order. I will take public comment on, this is just on the neighborhood grants topic. If anyone wants to provide public comment, please come on up. I'm not seeing any other raised hands, so we'll go back to Council, and I'm going to go through any other questions first, and then we'll return to you, Mr. Ponton. Kristen. Thank you. I just have a random question. I'm curious about the ones that the Franklin to the Fort won and whether they were like the Franklin to the Fort Neighborhood Council or the Franklin to the Fort Neighbors in Action, because I know that the Franklin to the Fort Neighbors in Action have received this grant award previously. Yeah, neither actually. So they were just neighbors who came to the project, the 6th Street Pocket Park. I believe she actually used it for her capstone project and just wanted to see it come to fruition, and then the other project came from Bonnie's place. Yeah. Just a quick comment. I work for the Western Montana Conservation Commission, which gave the rain garden project a ton of money, so I will be abstaining from this vote just to avoid any of kinds of conflict of interest. Great. Thank you for that. Mr. Campbell. Thank you, Madam Chair. Just some comments? Yes. I'll go back to you then. Just go ahead. Okay. Thank you. First of all, thank you again, ladies, for your work in these neighborhoods. I've had occasion to attend some of these local neighborhood forums recently, and they do a fantastic job organizing. I noticed over my years on council now, a definite uptick in participation in these neighborhoods. So first and foremost, thank you for your efforts there. I also want to give a shout out to a former colleague, Councilman Daniel Carlino, for putting together an extension of the funding increase from year to year in this, allowing us to be where we're at today and funding these various different projects. And it's great to have an opportunity to work with them to increase funding for projects like this. You know, these projects come from the neighborhood, from the ground up, which is, I think, a great way for our local government to function. I think it's a great representation of how we should be doing business in the city. So I'll be in support of this. Thank you. Okay. Thanks, Bob. Justin. Thanks, Madam Chair. For colleagues that don't know, I sit on the community forum as a liaison between the community forum and council. And while I didn't have any input on any of these projects individually, I just kind of wanted to echo similar comments that my colleague, Councilman Campbell, made and just extend an appreciation to the neighborhood leadership teams and members of the community that took the time to work on these projects. And as you saw, you know, some of these projects didn't receive all the funding that they requested and some didn't receive any. But again, the effort is admirable and I applaud the members of the community that took the time to do this. So I also obviously will be in support and just also want to also give a shout out to Melissa and Kalina for all the work. It takes a lot to kind of shepherd this process through the months-long process. So thank you for that work as well. Great. Thanks. And yes, yes to all of the comments that are made. These are good projects and it's a lot of work to try and do this in a really thoughtful, methodical fashion. And you guys, you make your way through it. So I'm excited. I think there's some really good stuff in there. So I am not seeing any other hands raised. So I think we can take a voice vote on this and you can note your abstention. And I'll just note it now. Ms. Jordan is abstaining and setting that aside. We can do a voice vote, Zoe. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion passes. So that can go onto our consent agenda. And thank you, ladies. Appreciate the work. And do you need time to get set up with any staff, Dale, for the last item? Or are you going to start off with that? I'll kick us off. Am I running the presentation or how are we doing that? Sure. Great. Okay. So our last item as they get set up is the informational update on city ordinance 12.60 urban camping ordinance. And I know we've got a lot of different department heads here. And we've got a presentation. I think we'll try and get through the presentation first and hold questions and then go to questions. So whenever y'all are ready. Thank you. Council, thanks for having us. For the record, I'm Dale Bickle. I am the city's chief administrative officer. I am going to kick off and frame this presentation. As you can see by the staff we have in the audience, this is an all hands type of effort we've had. As a bit of background, after the council passed MMC 1260, we've been implementation mode, including a significant investment council's made in the budget, you know, providing about a total of a $1.2 million budget in order to create this program. We are so what we are here to do is talk to you about how that implementation is gone. Recently, this is really while the while the ordinance has been in affecting effective longer. This is really our first year of implementation based on the budget and how we have approached it. Now this is intended to be an informational presentation to provide an update to council as it considers its review process required in the ordinance. We as staff and the administration aren't recommending any changes to the ordinance. We believe that implementation has been successful and consistent with council's original intent. Of course, though, council has the ability to consider amendments, repeal with a future referral and the process to amend an ordinance like any other ordinance. In absence of a decision by council to do something like that, the ordinance would remain in effect. So, there's a little bit about today's focus. I'm going to talk about the purpose, approach, and results. And we're going to get specifics by members of our departments who are doing this work every day and are helping with the implementation. So, on to the next slide. The purpose of the ordinance is intended to maintain safe and usable public spaces by limiting the size and impact of urban camping. It's a tool to address health and safety in public spaces and not a houselessness solution. Our houseless programs team has been providing updates to council on our work in that space. And I just want to make it clear that this is disconnected. This is about public safety in our in our public spaces. So, on our approach, as part of the process to do this and part of the FY26 budget allocations, we've created a centralized approach to clean up to education enforcement and the cleanup operations. This is largely led by the Code Enforcement Division of CP DI under Charmell's leadership. As I said earlier, it's all hands on deck and you'll hear from many of our departments here, CPDI, Parks and Rec, Police, City Attorney's Office, Public Works and Mobility are all involved in these efforts. This coordinated team, the budget has resulted in the addition of permanent staff dedicated to this, dedicated, proactive, coordinated cleanups between departments, and also the creation of the vehicle parking program that has been really successful in providing people the ability to shelter in vehicles in the city of public right away. With that, I'm going to turn it over to, I think, next is Charmell to talk about specifics related to how the programs are implementing it. And she'll go on to the next slide starting with the vehicle parking program. Charmell to talk about the vehicle parking program. Charmell to talk about the vehicle parking program. Charmell to talk about the vehicle parking program. Charmell to talk about the vehicle parking program. Charmell to talk about the vehicle parking program. Charmell to talk about the vehicle parking program. Charmell to talk about the vehicle parking program. Charmell to talk about the vehicle parking program. 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In addition to that, as Chief Collier said, we are giving people that 24 to 72 hour notice unless something arises to a health or safety issue. And at that point in time, we do not have to give that, but we literally stand there with individuals and say, "Please gather your items. We want you to get your things." And we try to have patience with individuals. Yesterday was a good example. My team was down at Russell. They spent a good half an hour with two individuals watching them pack up their stuff, encouraging them to dispose of things that they did not want to take with them and were very patiently waiting for people to get their things. Thanks. Bathrooms, I know. Sure, Mel. I'm sorry, Gwen. Can I? Could you talk about the Houseless Resource Guide really quick and the distribution of that shows the areas where sharps disposal available bathrooms? So the Houseless Resource Guide is given to as many individuals who are unhoused as possible. And it is distributed and shows resources where people can get items like sharps disposed of. But we, my team, takes sharps containers as does Marina's team. And they also will collect sharps and whatnot for individuals out on scene. Great. Thanks. And designated campsite, we've talked about that many hours in this chamber. Do we have a partner that is willing to step up and do a designated campsite and fund it? I know that's, we are open to the concept, but there were, there was an equation that needed to be reached. There has been some discussions over the past year about the designated campsite and it is allowed under the ordinance if there is an operator that could get approved by council and an operator hasn't stepped forward. So with that said, the ordinance does allow for sheltering outdoors inside the city and people are successful in doing that. And we've been able to manage the impacts on a much better basis. We're not perfect at it, but that is happening. So the sheltering, sheltering outdoors is happening. It's just, but we're able to manage the impacts on a much better way. Thanks. Great. Kristen, you want to ask a few more? Yep. And we'll go to public comment. Thank you. The data shows that there is a significant increase in misd emeanor convictions. People are being dispersed away from services and providers can no longer find their clients. And that there is a racial disparity that falls hardest on our most vulnerable community members. If the measure of success is that housed mazilians see fewer tents, that may be true, but is making homelessness less visible the same thing as making it better? And is the standard we want to hold ourselves to are legally permitted to offer them permanently? Has anyone assessed the cumulative harm? Is it an intended consequence of this order? Basically, that we are hearing from service providers that they can't find their clients. We may be seeing less tents, but this is a cumulative harm. And I'm curious if we have considered that consequence as part of this ordinance. So, I mean, really, I think that's a policy question. And as I said at the very beginning, we have different pr ongs for the city's approach, one of which are houseless programs, which covers a lot of the territory that I think you just discussed. I'm wondering if, Erin, you can speak to the fact that there are regular meetings between stakeholders in Missoula on this issue, providing feedback. Because I hear what you're saying, Kristen, but also I think it's a much bigger picture. And there's proactive programs to try and get folks housed and deal with getting them to their next level. But then there are also impacts on the ground that as a community we also have to address. So there's a lot going on here. But to me, the key is the nexus with communicating with the providers in town and doing the best we can to manage a lot of competing goals, really. Yeah, Erin Payhan with CBDI. We have a forum loosely referred to as the Houseless Leaders Forum, where a group of nonprofit directors and leaders in that space, along with city and county representation, meet on a regular basis to try to prioritize and align around community solutions to hous elessness. And the city is just another member at that table, along with those other members and trying to align around solutions and to determine how we will fill those gaps that exist in the community, especially around housing afford ability and access to services. And so that group will continue to meet and ideally define and provide direction to next steps in the plan in terms of how we both allocate our resources and how we allocate our time and energy around that. So, thank you. My mic is off. Thank you. Okay, Christy. Thanks. I'll just want to put a pin in that we are not really adequately assessing the cumulative harm of 1260. My next question is about the majority of citations, which at the time the data was collected, 94% were issued with no other charges attached. I'm curious about the theory of change here. Where or how does a misdemeanor charge change the situation for someone who has nowhere to go? I'm not sure that we have anyone that can answer that, honestly. I think these are policy questions. This is an informational update from staff as to how they 're implementing this. So, if you want to look at the policy implications, I think that's a council discussion. And as I've said, if you want to bring a referral to discuss this, that's your prerogative. But I don't know. Is there anything that staff can comment on that? Yes, okay. Not seeing anything. Next question. Be rhetorical. So, the data also shows citations spiked in direct conjunction with the closure of the Johnson Street's shelter, not in response to any change in camping behavior. I'm curious how staff distinguish between ordinance effectiveness and the consequences of a reduced shelter capacity. Can you repeat the last part? I wasn't tracking that. How does staff distinguish between ordinance effectiveness and the consequences of a reduced shelter capacity? Right. I think that's a council judgment call, frankly, unless staff has anything to provide input on that. That's okay. Give me rhetorical. Then why don't we go to public comment? Because we do have folks here today who have taken time out of their day to come in and provide comment. So, if people want to provide public comment and come on up to the podium and state your name and three minutes per person. And it's the topic is urban camping ordinance and your thoughts if you want to share that on it. So, does anybody want to come on up and share that? Thanks for coming up. And this is the timer here running for you. Okay. Cool. Madam President, council members, my name is John Rhodes. That's R-H-O-A-D-E-S. I'm here with Catalyst Montana. I'm here to talk about the follow up from 1260. The message I hope you all walk away with from today is simple. And that is that 1260 did not work. If you are trying to connect people with providers, if you 're trying to support people, it did not work. When it was proposed, it was apparently to keep the parks empty. It was supposed to encourage people to access available services. And I think someone said at the time, there's supposed to be a useful tool in our tool belt. That just has not been true. The data from municipal court have shown that almost no one has been ticketed at a park for violating 1260. And the point that I think is really interesting is that municipal court who has had produced the best data on this is not here today to speak with you. The vast majority of citations from 1260 came from within 15 minute walk of the Pavarello or from J Street. These are people trying to access services that were then cited and sent to court. This policy is actively pushing people away from the services they need. And we heard it from parks as well, that they're being pushed out to the outside of town rather than being able to go to the shelter, rather than being able to go to our community. Our continuum of care. And that was mentioned repeatedly in this room. Service providers, unhoused neighbors, community members told this body again and again that 1260 would push people away from services and would criminalize being poor and without shelter. And that is exactly what we've seen. There is no upside to this. We are in a housing crisis. Montana has some of the fastest rising rents in the nation. And no one's coming to save us. The feds aren't coming to save us. They're trying to cut cut all the continued care funding. The state's not going to save us. Their budget is running out. The only people that can save us is Missoula. And our unhoused neighbors have been clear about this. They want the services originally promised in 1260. They don't want their belongings to be swept. They don't. You talk to people. They're losing their wedding rings from being swept. This isn't right. People want a positive place to go. They want to be able to rest in security and safety. They want to be able to access the services they should be able to access without being ticketed or sent to court. We do not need to criminalize poverty. We do not need to sweep people away from services. We need to repeal 1260. Thank you. Thanks for your comments. Anyone else that wants to provide comments? Come on up. Hi. My name is Missoula. My name is Sage Bennett. And I am here representing Forward Montana. I have spoken in multiple meetings about my viewpoint on this, about my organization's viewpoint on this. I am ideally encouraging you to repeal 12.60. I think it is a ridiculous ordinance as all of the reasons that John stated before me. And the ways in which it criminalizes poverty in our community is absurd. If you are not willing to repeal this ordinance, then I strongly encourage you to start discussing the specifics of it. All of the points that Kristen Jordan brought up about the resources that the city promised they would provide for individuals, including a map of where individuals can safely camp within this ordinance has not been provided for individuals. There are so many elements of it that are so frustrating. So, if we are not willing to do that, we are going to sweep people and take away all of their property. We are going to sweep people and take away all of their property. Could we not do that during the winter? Could we remove the fines? That is, again, ridiculous and has been told to you by many people in many different professions of how ineffective that is. When you are fining a person who is trying to obtain housing, how are they supposed to get any closer to obtaining housing if they continuously are having to pay these fines for just simply not having housing? Including this, like, 24 to 72-hour notice stuff that we are talking about. Whether it comes to people's properties, whether it comes to the sweeping situation, I would encourage you to also reconsider those time constraints and make them longer. It feels absurd to me to expect a person who is working and who, you know, what if they are hospitalized and they aren 't there for the day and then you have posted this notice that they need to leave, they weren't in a position to be able to see that. Why is that not being considered in an individual's safety? Throughout all of the things that you have mentioned and the prioritization of the people that you are trying to protect in this ordinance is the comfort of housed people and has nothing to do with the safety of those that are unh oused. It feels really frustrating to have everything be priorit ized for, quote unquote, public safety, when the public that you're talking about is simply people that can afford housing. That feels so discriminatory and immoral in so many ways. It is frustrating to hear that the individuals that are enforcing this ordinance are the ones that are also determining what is, you know, a value for an individual. And that quote, if you're leaving it behind, it is implied that it is not a value and you're only given half an hour to pack up this. All of your belongings, I would like you to see if you can pack up your house in half an hour. Sorry about the microphone. Anyone else that want to provide comments? I would like to say, "I can't say anything like that." Allie Harrison, Ward 3. Last week in Alexandria, Virginia, hundreds of residents were facing eviction. Unsure where to turn, the mayor of Alexandria reached out. Thank you. Sure. The mayor of Alexandria reached out to the local faith community. Alfred Street Baptist Church rose up and wrote a $1 million check erasing the debt of 338 families who were facing ev iction. What might that kind of compassion look like here? Sometimes conversations about urban camping and houseless ness can feel like too much. We've seen too much poverty, too much despair, too many problems that feel impossible to solve. But what if homelessness isn't a problem to be solved, but a people to be loved? Love at its core sees a need and fills it. When Mayor Hess recognized the houseless crisis and declared a state of emergency on June 9th, 2023, he responded by reopening the Johnson Street shelter, offering people in crisis a place to stay for as long as the shelter was open. The city met the moment with compassion. A few weeks ago, I ran into a man who had once lived on the streets but is now housed. I first met him in a hospital room after he had overdosed and died. He came back to life minutes later and woke up in the hospital sobbing, saying his life was spared for a purpose. This man endured life on the streets again after that, but when I saw him again recently, he was radiant, clean, sober , and housed. I've seen too much goodness to be overwhelmed by what I don 't see. Every need is an invitation to act, to give, to show up. We are one moment of recognition away from someone's breakthrough. Today, recognize the power you hold and use it. Ask yourself, are we investing our resources in the most effective ways? Are we succeeding at what really matters? My niece was in track and she was a fast runner. She would always be at the front of the line, but one track meet, she recognized a girl on her team had fallen behind due to an injury. My niece could have kept running and finished the race at the front of the pack, but instead she dropped back and ran with her teammates so her teammate didn't have to run alone . Though their team was not first in line that day, love won because love always wins. Author Bob Goff writes, "I used to be afraid of failing at something that really mattered to me, but now I'm more afraid of succeeding at things that don't matter. What matters to us?" Thank you. Thank you for your comment. All right. Testing. All right. We're going to try this one now. Very good. Anyone else that wants to provide public comment on this subject? So come on up. All right. I'm not seeing anybody else in chambers. Let me check online. Okay. All right. We have his name. We have his name. We have his name. Okay. All right. All right. All right. We're going to try this one now. We have our next question. We have our next question. All right. All right. We're going to try this one now. Very good. Anyone else that wants to provide public comment on this subject? So come on up. All right. I'm not seeing anybody else in chambers. Let me check online. We have his name. We have his name. Can you mute yourself, Kevin? There we go. You should be able to speak now. Three minutes. Is there a person, Jones? Can you hear me? Yes. Thanks for the opportunity. Kevin Davis, long-time Missoulian and community advocate. I also, in my spare time, organized volunteer cleanups, most notably and sizable probably. It was a few years ago at the Reserve Street Bridge. So volunteers I worked with. see firsthand the crises that we see with some of the enc ampments and urban camping. I appreciate what staff presented today and their hard work . And through cleanups I helped organize, I appreciate what staff presented today and their hard work. And through cleanups I helped organize, I appreciate what staff presented today. And through cleanups I helped organize, I appreciate what staff presented today. And through cleanups I helped organize, I appreciate what staff presented today. And through cleanups I helped organize, I appreciate what staff presented today. I get how hard the work is and we only scratched the surface compared to the work they have to do. But given this million dollar budget we're talking about today and public funding, in fact, I'm at work, like a lot of you listening today, to pay my really high property taxes, which I consider to be community investment. So it's important, I think, that more of us chime in when we can and ask questions. And I just want to add, I listened to this entire meeting today. I'll just put forth the component I haven't really heard addressed or acknowledged. And that's the drug and alcohol addiction component among some of our homeless neighbors. Not to say by any means that all of our homeless neighbors are addicted to drugs and alcohol, but some are. And until we fully acknowledge that in these meetings, at the cleanups that I organize, we see used syringes just about every time, used liquor and beer bottles. And that needs to be addressed because it's for many reasons, it's having a tremendous costly and adverse effect on those users that it's keeping them from work and finding meaning and finding purpose. So I would like for staff to better address that at these meetings and confront it. And I think in doing so, we can make even more measurable successes. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. I don't see anyone else. That's the extent. Bob, I'm going to go to the first of all, thank you. Thank you people for coming down and taking your time and staff. We've got a lot of staff. So I appreciate being here for this meeting. Bob, I'm going to go to you for a few questions or whatever you have queued up. Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. First question regarding cleanup and cleanup costs and resources and stuff. 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I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. Can you just speak to that in general? I mean, I think we're just trying to figure out. I think we're in a different place now than we were a year and a half ago, and it's still a work in progress. But what are you seeing on your end? Thanks for the question. Certainly, the number of complaints that are in the Mayor's Office have substantially decreased related to this issue. You know, we still have our hotspots. Cedar Street is still a continuing issue. We continue in conversations with the neighbors. We're doing the best we can. It's not perfect. And obviously, the real solution to this is all the work we 're trying to do on our households program. So we'll keep trying to do what we can there as well. So I do actually probably have the data. I just don't have it at my fingertips. I've just, it's been my impression, that's what I've heard from staff, that there's just been much less outreach because people do not hesitate to call the Mayor's Office directly when they have strong thoughts on things. So I just wanted to know that. Kristen, do you have a few more questions? Want to ask some more? Yeah, thank you. I think I would rather just make a statement. I have more questions, but I'd like to use some time to make a statement if that's all right. Okay, sure. Thank you. What did you say next? Questions. Oh, okay. Mr. Nugent. Your hand is raised. Okay. Thanks. Just a couple questions. And this might have been covered. Dale, you could probably answer this or Aaron can. In the same time period, the city obviously did the housing sprint and we are working on initiatives for veterans housing and things of that nature. Do you have a number on how many individuals the city has housed through efforts like the housing sprint during this time? I don't have a number off the top of my head, but we can get that and follow up with counsel. Combining our built for zero work with our veterans homelessness in addition to the housing sprint. I know it's several dozen, but I will get that exact number and get back to you guys. For purposes of the conversation, because I'm always in the loop on these issues, I know I believe with built for zero getting vets housed, we're over 45 in the last year and six months or year and four months. 45 individuals housed with the housing sprint, I feel like it was pushing 70, 65 around in that area of individuals housed, but a lot of progress made with other folks who may not have ultimately been housed within that time period. 45 00:04:45,000 -- 00:04:50,000 of the housing sprint when Johnson closed, but a lot of progress was made. So really valuable programs. 45 00:04:50,000 -- 00:04:53,000 Thanks. I asked that and I'll get into that more in my comments, but the, you know, no, no single policy in the city happens in a vacuum and I think it's important to recognize that work is being done. 45 00:04:53,000 -- 00:04:55,000 Chief Collier, I was wondering, you know, we've seen data from the municipal court that seems to highlight a majority of these situations. 45 00:04:55,000 -- 00:04:58,000 are happening within 500 feet of rivers or shelter locations. 45 00:04:58,000 -- 00:04:01,000 And it sounds like we don't have data specifically on 911 calls in those areas and that 's understandable. 45 00:04:01,000 -- 00:04:04,000 But I'm curious if you could maybe speak a little bit to someone, whether it was a public commenter or staff member, someone made a comment about there's been little or no citations in the parks themselves. 45 00:04:04,000 -- 00:04:07,000 And I'm wondering if you could maybe speak just based on your experience to why it might be that more of those citations are in the neighborhoods where we do have shelters. 45 00:04:07,000 -- 00:04:10,000 Sure, yeah, I saw the data that the municipal court put out. I don't dispute any of that. 45 00:04:10,000 -- 00:04:13,000 The timeframe that they point out about citations in the spring right at the scaled closure of J Street was announced. 45 00:04:13,000 -- 00:04:16,000 Did go up and the locations around the Pobrella Center did go up. 45 00:04:16,000 -- 00:04:19,000 It's because I requested them to do an extra patrol effort and enforce the ordinance in the area at that time of the closure. 45 00:04:19,000 -- 00:04:23,000 It is because I anticipated we're gonna have a bunch of people coming out of J Street, and they were gonna be flocking over there and setting up camps. 45 00:04:23,000 -- 00:04:25,000 And I just thought it was our responsibility as the department to enforce the ordinance that council put in place, because one of the values we think can come out of it, and I think did come out of it, is preventing long-term and large camps. 45 00:04:25,000 -- 00:04:29,000 And with all of the influx of people from J Street, we anticipated spending more time around the Pobrella. 45 00:04:29,000 -- 00:04:31,000 We thought that that was a risk that we're gonna start seeing big camps that were there for a long period of time. 45 00:04:31,000 -- 00:04:33,000 So I asked them to enforce the ordinance in that area at that time specifically, and they did. 45 00:04:33,000 -- 00:04:35,000 That's why those numbers reflected like that. 45 00:04:35,000 -- 00:04:38,000 The other areas related to the park, the parks closed the camping now. 45 00:04:38,000 -- 00:04:40,000 And I think the educational piece that Black Knight has done for the parks department has paid off, and so it doesn't result in us having a problem there that we need to respond to. 45 00:04:40,000 -- 00:04:42,000 So that's been particularly successful for the parks department. 45 00:04:42,000 -- 00:04:44,000 So the -- so the -- those education efforts you reference, both more Black Knight than anyone else, but the idea there is not to be punitive, but just to kind of make sure people understand what the -- what the new rules have been and basically try and avoid that type of situation. 45 00:04:44,000 -- 00:04:48,000 Would you say that's fair? 45 00:04:48,000 -- 00:04:50,000 Yeah, that's their primary role and it is Black Knight is they don't have the authority to issue the citation, right? 45 00:04:50,000 -- 00:04:52,000 But they can they can definitely keep people from having a run in with us where they end up potentially getting charged with the citation for it. 45 00:04:52,000 -- 00:04:54,000 So their role in invest in education is important. 45 00:04:54,000 -- 00:04:57,000 And I'll just state tell you the police department. 45 00:04:57,000 -- 00:04:59,000 Larger than this issue on all kind of lower level issues. 45 00:04:59,000 -- 00:04:01,000 Resolving things at the lowest level is always the best for us and the best for the person in that circumstance, 45 00:04:01,000 -- 00:04:04,000 Whether it's this municipal ordinance or any other municipal ordinance, 45 00:04:04,000 -- 00:04:07,000 Or even a state statute that really doesn't have a victim with standing. 45 00:04:07,000 -- 00:04:10,000 So if you're talking a disorderly conduct or a trespass or something where we don 't need a criminal charge 45 00:04:10,000 -- 00:04:13,000 To support a victim's right on something, if we can resolve that with a with a warning, 45 00:04:13,000 -- 00:04:15,000 We'll just do that and be done with it. 45 00:04:15,000 -- 00:04:17,000 It's easier for us. It's effective call management. 45 00:04:17,000 -- 00:04:20,000 It keeps the person out of the criminal justice system. 45 00:04:20,000 -- 00:04:23,000 We do that on all of our work when it's appropriate. 45 00:04:23,000 -- 00:04:25,000 There are certainly cases it's not. You go straight to a charge. 45 00:04:25,000 -- 00:04:27,000 But this particular ordinance is no exception. 45 00:04:27,000 -- 00:04:29,000 If we can resolve this ordinance with an education and a warning 45 00:04:29,000 -- 00:04:31,000 and not have to deal with the person again, it's better all the way around. 45 00:04:31,000 -- 00:04:33,000 And that's evident when you listen, you can hear it on our radio. 45 00:04:33,000 -- 00:04:35,000 You'll hear an officer get dispatched to a camping complaint somewhere, 45 00:04:35,000 -- 00:04:38,000 And you'll oftentimes hear another officer say, 45 00:04:38,000 -- 00:04:40,000 I warned them about that a couple of days ago and asked them to move on. 45 00:04:40,000 -- 00:04:42,000 And it's just obvious they 're working to getting this thing done at the lowest level. 45 00:04:42,000 -- 00:04:44,000 If it doesn't work, they get a citation. 45 00:04:44,000 -- 00:04:46,000 That's just the nature of the role that we hold in this, 45 00:04:46,000 -- 00:04:49,000 our small part in this. 45 00:04:49,000 -- 00:04:52,000 One more quick follow, then I can be done. 45 00:04:52,000 -- 00:04:55,000 I know you don't have the specific data. 45 00:04:55,000 -- 00:04:57,000 Over the years at council, we've discussed 911 calls. 45 00:04:57,000 -- 00:04:59,000 It was more closely related to Johnson Street and that shelter than the Pavarello. 45 00:04:59,000 -- 00:04:01,000 But I think it goes without saying that the neighborhoods that house, 45 00:04:01,000 -- 00:04:04,000 shelters do have an impact or do feel an impact from that use. 45 00:04:04,000 -- 00:04:06,000 I'm curious, and this might be a tough one, 45 00:04:06,000 -- 00:04:09,000 this might be one that I have to figure out a better way to ask 45 00:04:09,000 -- 00:04:11,000 and ask you over time because it's more of just trying to find the balance 45 00:04:11,000 -- 00:04:14,000 between the private personal residences that are less than 500 feet away 45 00:04:14,000 -- 00:04:16,000 from some of these places and the types of 911 calls we get from 45 00:04:16,000 -- 00:04:19,000 from those neighborhoods. 45 00:04:19,000 -- 00:04:21,000 I can't think of a way to formulate the question, 45 00:04:21,000 -- 00:04:23,000 so I'll just stop talking for the moment. 45 00:04:23,000 -- 00:04:25,000 And if I come up with it, I 'll ask you later. 45 00:04:25,000 -- 00:04:27,000 Okay. 45 00:04:27,000 -- 00:04:29,000 I'm happy to come back up if it comes to your mind. 45 00:04:29,000 -- 00:04:31,000 I stumbled over the dispatch numbers earlier. 45 00:04:31,000 -- 00:04:33,000 I just want to clarify those. 45 00:04:33,000 -- 00:04:36,000 So about 10% of our cit ations that came from camping on city 45 00:04:36,000 -- 00:04:39,000 property were a result of a 911 call. 45 00:04:39,000 -- 00:04:42,000 And then, like I said, many of the other self-initiated 45 00:04:42,000 -- 00:04:44,000 citations after that were follow up to that original 911 call. 45 00:04:44,000 -- 00:04:48,000 And then, as it relates to public street citations, 45 00:04:48,000 -- 00:04:50,000 about 20% of those were related to a call through the dispatch 45 00:04:50,000 -- 00:04:52,000 center. And again, many of the self-initiated citations after that are follow up back to -- to -- to 45 00:04:52,000 -- 00:04:55,000 just see if the 911 call gained compliance or not, 45 00:04:55,000 -- 00:04:58,000 and then they were packed on it after that. 45 00:04:58,000 -- 00:04:00,000 Thanks for letting me clarify that. 45 00:04:00,000 -- 00:04:01,000 -- 00:04:03,000 Regroup on your question. 45 00:04:01,000 -- 00:04:03,000 Yeah, sorry. 45 00:04:03,000 -- 00:04:05,000 I was trying to look at my notes. 45 00:04:05,000 -- 00:04:07,000 I mean, I guess the -- similar to that parks where 45 00:04:07,000 -- 00:04:10,000 there's kind of the active education effort. 45 00:04:10,000 -- 00:04:13,000 You -- you reference a little bit of directing some enforcement 45 00:04:13,000 -- 00:04:15,000 in the areas directly around the Pavarello Center 45 00:04:15,000 -- 00:04:17,000 to try and prevent a larger scale, I guess, 45 00:04:17,000 -- 00:04:20,000 encampment from -- from popping up or -- or something in that 45 00:04:20,000 -- 00:04:23,000 -- 00:04:25,000 you know, I think that kind of proactive 45 00:04:25,000 -- 00:04:27,000 approach is helping the neighbors feel the impact less? 45 00:04:27,000 -- 00:04:31,000 Yes. 46 00:04:31,000 -- 00:04:35,000 Yes. 46 00:04:35,000 -- 00:04:37,000 I mean, there is plenty of calls around 1110 West 46 00:04:37,000 -- 00:04:41,000 -- 00:04:42,000 Broadway. 46 00:04:42,000 -- 00:04:44,000 But I think if we did not do our best to keep the 46 00:04:44,000 -- 00:04:46,000 smaller and more spread out and less time, 46 00:04:46,000 -- 00:04:49,000 you know, for a shorter time, I feel like we 46 00:04:49,000 -- 00:04:52,000 would have bigger camps that are there for 46 00:04:52,000 -- 00:04:54,000 longer. 46 00:04:54,000 -- 00:04:57,000 And when we have bigger camps and more 46 00:04:57,000 -- 00:04:59,000 individuals interacting with each other, we have more 46 00:04:59,000 -- 00:04:01,000 problems amongst themselves and amongst the people in 46 00:04:01,000 -- 00:04:02,000 that area. 46 00:04:02,000 -- 00:04:04,000 It is not the silver bullet that's going to help, 46 00:04:04,000 -- 00:04:06,000 that is going to solve all of this, but I think it 46 00:04:06,000 -- 00:04:08,000 is important to be consistent and try to keep 46 00:04:08,000 -- 00:04:10,000 -- 00:04:13,000 try to keep big long-term camps from getting 46 00:04:13,000 -- 00:04:15,000 established anywhere in town. 46 00:04:15,000 -- 00:04:17,000 Thanks. 46 00:04:17,000 -- 00:04:20,000 And sorry for kind of st umbling over that last 46 00:04:20,000 -- 00:04:23,000 question. 46 00:04:23,000 -- 00:04:25,000 Thanks. 46 00:04:25,000 -- 00:04:27,000 Thanks, Chief. 46 00:04:27,000 -- 00:04:29,000 Appreciate that. 46 00:04:29,000 -- 00:04:31,000 I was hoping someone from staff could talk 46 00:04:31,000 -- 00:04:33,000 about the up here. 46 00:04:33,000 -- 00:04:35,000 Can I hold it? 46 00:04:35,000 -- 00:04:37,000 The houseless resource guide that the city produced, 46 00:04:37,000 -- 00:04:39,000 I think this is one of the components of the ordinance. 46 00:04:39,000 -- 00:04:42,000 I know it took a long time, but it finally got 46 00:04:42,000 -- 00:04:44,000 done. 46 00:04:44,000 -- 00:04:46,000 This is something that folks can use to hand 46 00:04:46,000 -- 00:04:48,000 out to people in need, and the topics covered. 46 00:04:48,000 -- 00:04:50,000 It's a map that shows emergency shelter, drop-in 46 00:04:50,000 -- 00:04:52,000 centers, free meal sites, food pantries, medical 46 00:04:52,000 -- 00:04:54,000 and behavioral health, showers and free laundry, 46 00:04:54,000 -- 00:04:57,000 day use lockers, coordinated entry sites, special 46 00:04:57,000 -- 00:04:59,000 services and sharps disposal. 46 00:04:59,000 -- 00:04:01,000 And I'm wondering where can people find this? 46 00:04:01,000 -- 00:04:04,000 How is it being passed out? 46 00:04:04,000 -- 00:04:06,000 How are we using it as a tool if someone can 46 00:04:06,000 -- 00:04:08,000 address that? 46 00:04:08,000 -- 00:04:10,000 I think it's a really valuable thing. 46 00:04:10,000 -- 00:04:13,000 Yeah, I can start. 46 00:04:13,000 -- 00:04:15,000 Cities Communication Director Jenny Miriam worked tirelessly 46 00:04:15,000 -- 00:04:17,000 on that document and helped us get it to completion. 46 00:04:17,000 -- 00:04:20,000 The resource is really a pocket guide, 46 00:04:20,000 -- 00:04:23,000 and we work to confirm all of that service information 46 00:04:23,000 -- 00:04:25,000 with all of the providers listed in it. 46 00:04:25,000 -- 00:04:27,000 We've updated it a few times already since its initial 46 00:04:27,000 -- 00:04:29,000 publishing to make sure that the information in it is accurate and 46 00:04:29,000 -- 00:04:31,000 We have those, of course, with all of our teams 46 00:04:31,000 -- 00:04:33,000 that are working out in the field to get those 46 00:04:33,000 -- 00:04:36,000 to folks in real time. 46 00:04:36,000 -- 00:04:38,000 We also leave copies around organizations 46 00:04:38,000 -- 00:04:40,000 that serve individuals who are struggling with 46 00:04:40,000 -- 00:04:42,000 houselessness and try to get them in as many hands of 46 00:04:42,000 -- 00:04:44,000 city staff who are working in this realm as possible. 46 00:04:44,000 -- 00:04:46,000 And so that's really kind of a frontline resource 46 00:04:46,000 -- 00:04:48,000 step is to make sure that people have that information 46 00:04:48,000 -- 00:04:50,000 at hand. 46 00:04:50,000 -- 00:04:52,000 Great. Appreciate that. I think it's a good tool, 46 00:04:52,000 -- 00:04:54,000 and I'm glad it's getting out there. 46 00:04:54,000 -- 00:04:56,000 I'm not seeing any other questions. 46 00:04:56,000 -- 00:04:58,000 I'll just go to comments. 46 00:04:58,000 -- 00:04:00,000 And Kristin, you want the comment? 46 00:04:00,000 -- 00:04:01,000 I'll go to you first. 46 00:04:01,000 -- 00:04:03,000 Thank you. 46 00:04:03,000 -- 00:04:05,000 I first want to start off by thanking staff 46 00:04:05,000 -- 00:04:07,000 for the presentation. 46 00:04:07,000 -- 00:04:09,000 I do appreciate the time that you've taken 46 00:04:09,000 -- 00:04:11,000 to put this together, and I also 46 00:04:11,000 -- 00:04:13,000 genuinely appreciate the efforts made by staff 46 00:04:13,000 -- 00:04:15,000 who are working under 1260, because I do know that you 46 00:04:15,000 -- 00:04:17,000 care about the folks that are affected by this. 46 00:04:17,000 -- 00:04:20,000 That said, I do have some significant 46 00:04:20,000 -- 00:04:23,000 concerns about the scope or lack thereof of what 46 00:04:23,000 -- 00:04:25,000 we've heard today, and whether it comes anywhere 46 00:04:25,000 -- 00:04:27,000 close to satisfying our obligations under the 46 00:04:27,000 -- 00:04:29,000 ordinance we passed. 46 00:04:29,000 -- 00:04:31,000 1260 requires council to conduct an annual review 46 00:04:31,000 -- 00:04:33,000 covering three distinct things: the state of urban camping in the city, 46 00:04:33,000 -- 00:04:36,000 the programs supporting uns heltered individuals, 46 00:04:36,000 -- 00:04:39,000 and the regulations themselves, including a formal 46 00:04:39,000 -- 00:04:42,000 determination of whether to amend, repeal, or leave them in place. 46 00:04:42,000 -- 00:04:44,000 Today's presentation addressed one of three of those 46 00:04:44,000 -- 00:04:47,000 obligations and only partially. 46 00:04:47,000 -- 00:04:49,000 We heard from us, we heard a, excuse me, 46 00:04:49,000 -- 00:04:50,000 we heard a staff implementation update on urban camping, 46 00:04:50,000 -- 00:04:52,000 but without perspectives from municipal court, 46 00:04:52,000 -- 00:04:54,000 the city attorney or frontline service providers. 46 00:04:54,000 -- 00:04:57,000 We don't have a complete picture of that first obligation. 46 00:04:57,000 -- 00:04:59,000 The second obligation, a review of the program 46 00:04:59,000 -- 00:04:01,000 supporting unsheltered individuals was not on today's agenda 46 00:04:01,000 -- 00:04:03,000 and was not presented. 46 00:04:03,000 -- 00:04:05,000 The third obligation, the former regulatory determination, 46 00:04:05,000 -- 00:04:07,000 was explicitly noticed as not an action item. 46 00:04:07,000 -- 00:04:09,000 To be direct, we have partially met one of three obligations 46 00:04:09,000 -- 00:04:11,000 that this ordinance requires of us, and the other two were not 46 00:04:11,000 -- 00:04:13,000 addressed at all today. 46 00:04:13,000 -- 00:04:15,000 I'm also deeply concerned about who was not at the table today. 46 00:04:15,000 -- 00:04:17,000 Every citation issued under 1260 flows directly 46 00:04:17,000 -- 00:04:20,000 into municipal court via the city attorney's office. 46 00:04:20,000 -- 00:04:23,000 These departments are -- those departments -- 46 00:04:23,000 -- 00:04:25,000 -- excuse me -- those departments are carrying a significant 46 00:04:25,000 -- 00:04:27,000 and measurable caseload as a direct result of this ordinance. 46 00:04:27,000 -- 00:04:29,000 Caseloads that pull resources away from actual 46 00:04:29,000 -- 00:04:31,000 public safety work. 46 00:04:31,000 -- 00:04:33,000 Their assessment of how this ordinance is functioning 46 00:04:33,000 -- 00:04:35,000 is not optional information . 46 00:04:35,000 -- 00:04:37,000 It is central to any honest review, 46 00:04:37,000 -- 00:04:39,000 and we didn't hear from them today. 46 00:04:39,000 -- 00:04:41,000 We also didn't hear from our frontline service providers, the people on the ground doing the work this ordinance was supposed to complement. The data shows enforcement has dispersed people away from service hubs, providers are telling us they can no longer locate their clients, and people who were being actively connected to housing, employment, and services now have misdemeanor criminal convictions on their records, convictions that can permanently affect their housing eligibility, employment prospects, and benefits access, and the range of services providers are even legally permitted to offer them. We created that. This ordinance did that, and we didn't hear one word about that today. Let me be clear about what this means. We passed an ordinance that is producing misdemeanor criminal records for people whose only offense is not having a home. We passed an ordinance that is making it harder, not easier , for service providers to do their jobs. We passed an ordinance that is consuming significant city attorney and municipal court resources without any evidence that it 's reducing homelessness, improving public safety, or achieving outcomes we said it would. And today, rather than conducting the full, honest, legally required review of all that, we got a staff update. This is not good enough. Our unhoused neighbors deserve better. Our service providers deserve better. Our city attorney and municipal court deserve better. And frankly, the public who trusted us to govern respons ibly deserves better. I am asking that we schedule a complete review, one that includes municipal court, city attorney, frontline service providers, and a formal assessment of the programs the ordinance requires us to evaluate, and that we do it soon, because every day we delay is another day we are picking up criminal records for being poor in Missoula. Thank you, Mr. Nugent. Thank you, Chair. I would like to ask Mr. Sudbury to speak to just the required review process. I remember specifically during the debate of 1260, there was an attempt to have a sunset clause that was pulled out because there was not a requirement to vote on continued implementation every year on this policy. So I'm curious if you could speak to whether you feel that we've satisfied this and what avenues council members may have if they choose to bring something different. Yeah, I read this as more of a commitment to ongoing review of this rather than a binding obligation that has some sort of legal consequence if it's not complied with. I would say from staff's perspective and working with Ms. Behan's staff on this issue that it's our, I think, perspective that the ongoing reports from the CPDI team on this issue that are occurring monthly or quarterly at least get to the question of the programs that support unsheltered individuals. So I think from our perspective, we've, from a staff level, have complied with that. With respect to what council wants to do, you know, it's up to council in terms of how it wants to treat this issue generally. It could use this staff review as a jumping off point. I think from staff's perspective, we haven't identified any particular issues that need to be changed. So we haven't brought any staff recommended changes forward to council. So there's no action item specific on the table because we haven't identified any, anything that it's not, that needs, you know, immediate attention or that's an obvious fix that needs to occur. That's not to say that it's a perfect program, but that it, you know, like typical city programs, it works pretty well and staff have figured out how to navigate it and make it work for the most people, recognizing that it's, you know, again, not a perfect outcome for everybody. But city council could also take it upon itself to make, you know, motions on the floor to do something or to make a referral down the road to, you know, amend or repeal the ordinance. But from my perspective, if you guys sit here today and hear the report from staff and public comment and feel that leaving, leaving it in place for another year and continuing to see how it, um, uh, how things shake out that, that, that would be just a decision to leave the regulations in place. You know, no subsequent action from city council would be, uh, you know, a determination that the regulations should stay in place. Um, I have comments when, okay. I think we're, we're in the comment section. So if you want to go ahead. Okay. Um, well, I appreciate that. And, um, you know, this conversation hasn't been easy the entire time we've been on council. And obviously for those of us who've been around for awhile , we've, we've had some marathon, um, sessions around, uh, all of this. I think that one of the things that's very clear in a lot of the work we do, but this included is looking at any one thing, any one policy, any one ordinance and in a silo and saying everything that's related to that has to occur in this, in this pocket , or it's not part of the conversation. I just, I think is wrong. And I agree with staff's interpretation that the updates we get from, uh, Ms. Armstrong, uh, uh, and, and other members of the CPDI staff regularly on some of our efforts, uh, are just as important to this conversation. And they help us inform, they help inform council of policy making and decision making and where we're at. And I think that those efforts around, uh, I don't know how somebody could look at this policy and look at our housing sprint and successes around that and housing veterans and say, those don't go hand in hand because we are using resources as a community to try and find housing. And at the same time, uh, some of these efforts, uh, are trying to balance the needs of multiple, uh, different, I guess, pockets of community members. And the, the data around parks, I think would, would say that beyond a reasonable doubt, uh, there's no debate. Our parks are, are in a better place than they were when we undertook this. Um, I had a, a meeting with constituents and one of the parks in my ward. Um, and several of you were there. Ms. Jones, you were there. Mayor Davis was there. Um, and I guarantee you those neighbors feel a lot better about where we are today than where we were then. And yes, I recognize that, that every, uh, interested party has different things. They would like the city to solve for, and it's trying to find those balances. But I did hear from one of those neighbors this morning and they said, I sincerely hope that the city doesn't backslide on, on all their efforts around this. Um, I think it's important also to, to give some of the history before we had this policy, we had a municipal inf ractions, uh, policy that we tried to do for a period of time. And I believe the first attempt that the police department had at writing. One of those municipal infractions, the municipal court threw out. And we tried to create something that wasn't a misdemeanor and our own court that I think they have made clear. And we, we understand we do not control the municipal court there. They're, they have their own rules and responsibilities. Um, they said that was not an adequate, uh, tool. And so, you know, we had to give the people trying to do the work to find balance in our community tools to, um, try and make this delicate bouncing act work. Um, I also think that. Um, I think that. Um, I think that it is a real need in all communities, not just ours. Um, and I wish we had more funding to do sheltering different. 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Um, and I think that, uh, you know, the, the community conversation around this issue now compared to where it was two years ago is so much better. And I recognize that that doesn't mean that everybody is satisfied with it, but the number of complaints we hear, um , are dwarfed today by where they were prior. And I do think that some of the conversations we had around , uh, cleanups around rivers and what they were doing to the natural environment. You know, and we heard from, from very dedicated, environmentally friendly community members with those concerns. And we had to take action to try and limit that impact to protect what is one of our best resources, which is that Clark Fork River in the middle of town. Um, and finally, I think just, just to touch on it, the, the reality is that. The, the data that the municipal court reference that, that , uh, Chief Collier, uh, doesn't take any issue with the 500 feet away from facilities. There's a grocery store within 500 feet of the Poverello center that we had a long conversation two years ago on this floor about, uh, continual theft issues. There was an, um, an individual who I believe had 10 different theft, uh, citations in that store, all misdemean ors. Um, and that's real. And it's, it's, I know at the time there were a couple of council members that just said, oh, that's a big business. Don't worry about it. It's also the workers there aren't big business. They're, you know, high school kids or college kids or working moms or people who then just have to deal with this . And that's all part of the, the balancing act of, of trying to be responsible to all community members. So I think that, uh, for me, it's always been about taking a lens that looks at this very broadly and tries to find something that threads a needle of keeping people safe and recognizing that there are issues that create situations that some people have no control over. Um, and that there were also within that community, there are also people that choose not to utilize the help or, uh, recognize that there are rules that are being broken. And, uh, I think that's where we are today, but I have no interest in, in repealing this. And, uh, you know, if that conversation, if somebody brings a referral to move certain things forward, I mean, I'll, I 'll certainly look at those, uh, with a, with a, you know, eyes wide open, but I do not think it would be a good responsible move of city council to make those considerations now. So that's it for my comments and thanks for, uh, thanks for listening. Thank you for your comments. I don't see any other hands raised. I've got a few brief comments and then I think we'll be done. Um, again, thank you to staff for coming down. Thanks for preparing for this. Thanks for public comment. Um, most of those folks have left now, but, um, couple of things. 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Article 6 officers and duties, just a couple of minor cleanup again, just grammar changes and then the director of community planning development innovation is who approves things now rather than the director of development services. Article 7, we have our meetings. This has not been updated in quite some time, so it did say we had to meet at least once each month on the first Thursday. We haven't met on the Thursday in the time I've been here, so I did obviously change that to say Wednesday. And because the CLG requirements only stipulate that we have to meet at least four times a year at regular intervals. We felt that that's all our bylaws should hold us to, so we did change it to say where we have to meet at least once each quarter. And that gives us flexibility for months where we don't have agenda items and to ensure that we're staying in compliance with our bylaws. And then again, more updated references to the new UDC. And I don't think too much else has changed. Article 11, which was the appearance of fairness in the commission's quasi-judicial role in considering permit applications. That entire section has been removed from the bylaws since there is no longer a quasi-judicial role for the HPC, which means that concerns about ex parte communications and that sort of thing are no longer applicable to commission members. And I think that is the bulk of it. The rest are just minor changes to update the article numbers to reflect the removal of article 11. And now if there are commission members who have any thoughts, suggestions, feelings about what should be updated or changed, or if you take issue with any of the staff proposed changes, now's our time to have a discussion about that. Questions? Comments? Elias, do you plan to join the historic preservation commission? We will see if we get more applicants. But if we do at any point struggle to fill the full regular membership of the HPC, then yes, I would step in for that and then step down to an alternate if we had somebody that wanted to apply for a regular position. But I think as long as we're able to fill our regular positions, it doesn't seem necessary at this time, but it's certainly something that we want to have the opportunity to do should the need arise. Fantastic. Thank you. Follow-up question to that. Then you would have a, HPO would have a voting role? Yes, I would be treated like any other member of the HPC at that time. Okay. Do there need to be any clarification in that, in that item H? Another question just under Article 5, Article 5B, talks about establishing annual community events, planning and instituting new community events, updating, etc. Do we consider the awards one of those community events or is that, could that be listed separately? I had that kind of just broadly lumped under the establishing annual community events since that's normally an annual event that we do. But it also gives us the flexibility to say on a particular year we might not hold the awards and we may just do other community events throughout May. So I tried to leave that open, but we could do a more specific reference to it if you all wanted that. And just a follow-up question there is, do we now have the ability to to fundraise, for lack of a better way to describe it? Have events that are generating money? I would have to look into that in terms of what the city's policies are for that and how it works, since the commission is a direct body of the city, which is a little different than say like the neighborhood councils, which can certainly do some work . But that's something I can follow up on and see if there's an avenue for that or a fund that that money could be deposited to if we were able to do that. But I'm not sure what the policy is for the city to be able to fundraise in that way. Okay. Thank you. Just as a point of reference, years ago we asked the same question and the answer came back that yes, we did have the legal ability to fundraise, to establish, you know, like a rolling loan program and things for preservation purposes. But that would take actually doing the mechanics of setting up money and accounts within the city, which would take city council approval. And city council just wasn't with it, wasn't supportive of us trying to manage our own money. Um, so things may have changed in the meantime, but at one point we did have the ability to raise money, spend money so long as it was within our mission. Um, and, um, I'm hoping it's the same way, but we may have to convince city council. Any other comments? We're going to review this again next time we meet. So the next time we meet would have to be a vote. If there was more discussion on it, then we could certainly do that. Like if you all were like, Hey, I need another month to take a look at this, see if I have any suggestions. That would have to just be another discussion item. We just cannot have discussion on them. From my understanding, um, at the same meeting that we vote . So they have to exist long enough for the public to have time to review them in their proposed final form before the commission makes a vote on them. And right. Then I have another question. That idea of special meetings, you know, currently we, what I understand we can only hold meetings. Where we make in front of a camera from this kind of event. So we could not hold a meeting at a remote location that would engage a community, the community in a different way. I believe we could, if we were holding it as a special meeting, because we've certainly done that. I mean, we think of our awards as basically being in a meeting of the HPC, right? We still publicly notice it. They just don't want us to get in a situation where the majority of our regularly scheduled meetings or are not being held in council chambers and available on teams for the public to attend and provide comment on things that they wanted to. So I think in a special meeting capacity, we could certainly do that. I just don't think that it could replace our regularly scheduled quarterly meetings. So we would just need to make sure that we're still holding at least one meeting a quarter in council chambers. And I think we have the ability to, like if we take on the project, like, you know, another educational session at the bear cage. It's public, but I don't think we're, since we're not actually doing board business, we're sponsoring a project and we're not voting on anything. We're not discussing anything. I think we can have meetings like that at specific locations. Absolutely. Yeah. As long as it's publicly noticed, if there's going to be a quorum of the commission there, I just have to put something on the city calendar that says, hey, this is where you all are going to be meeting at what time. And the public does have to be able to attend if a quorum of the commission is there. So we can't have like a closed, a closed meeting somewhere with a, you know, quorum of the commission. It does have to be available to the public, which like you said, if we were doing a workshop at Green O, that would be available to the public to show up to and kind of see. But anytime there's a quorum of the commission, we do have to at least put it on the city calendar 48 hours prior to that event and make sure that the public has the opportunity to attend if they're interested. But I think there's a difference between, you know, sponsoring a public event or an educational session and doing the business of the board. So if we can separate those, I think that'll keep things clear and alleviate a bunch of worries. Any further discussion? Yep. I had a note. The last thing I believe you struck from that document, if you don't mind pulling it back up, was something about being fair. Curious how that reads. The appearance of fairness? Yeah. Is that no longer an issue? No, because we're... ...judicial responsibilities. Yeah. Yeah, because we're not a quasi-judicial board anymore where the decisions are being made. That's where the city's appearance of fairness policy applies is for decision makers. So concerns about ex parte communications and all of that was really relevant when you all were decision makers for permits, right? Because you're not going to be doing that anymore. After consulting with our legal team, they felt that that was not a necessary provision to keep in our bylaws because it's just not applicable at this time. So you do still sign the conflict of interest form, though, to be clear, for the state when you join our historic preservation commission. So there is still conflict of interest provisions as provided by the state historic preservation office, but it doesn't apply for the city's appearance of fairness in quasi-judicial decisions. That's a great clarification. Thank you. All right. Thank you for that. Item six on our agenda is historic preservation officer staff report and project notification. That is a carryover from an old agenda. We haven't had that item. I do want to make a general comment, though, for you all. If you're aware of any events that are taking place throughout the month of May that relate to historic preservation, we are getting our calendar ready to go to put out. Just so folks are aware of what kind of tours or talks or things might exist out there. If you know of any, please send them to me via email so that we can spread the word. We should probably, as a commission, we should probably start thinking about our award ceremony. Yeah, we already talked about that. We're not doing one this year. We're working on nailing down a date and place for an open house, hopefully on the north side, west side, just to start some community conversations about what they would like to see our preservation program do moving forward. So hopefully more details on that will be coming out within the next week or so so that folks can get that on their calendar. And that's kind of going to be in lieu of our awards this year, just to make sure that we're kind of keeping the conversation moving forward that we've seen start up really through this code reform process. Thank you. I do recall that. Okay. Board member comments. Are there any board member comments? Mr. outgoing chairman, I have a comment. Please share it with the group. It has been a pleasure to serve the community with all of you for the past couple of years. I likely won't be a resident of Missoula much longer, so I will soon be resigning my position. At the rate that we've been meeting, this may very well be my last meeting. Thanks, everybody. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. You'll be sorely missed. Always were, but I'll just say. Okay. Yes. All right. Announcements, news, and upcoming events. Same line. Talked about. Elias. Thank you. Reaction. Hearing no more. We will adjourn. We will adjourn. We will adjourn.

Okay, folks, thank you so much for your patience. I'm going to go ahead and call the Missoula City Council meeting to order at 6.14 p.m. on April 13th. Thanks so much. We had a little bit of an Internet technology delay. It turns out the infrastructure outside of our building got updated, and so they're just not communicating with each other. So if folks are having difficult with Internet, that's why. But right now, everybody that's watching at home should be able to see the video, hear the sound, and then we are up and running here in terms of eScribe and everything else. Before we get started with our agenda, if you'll join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, please. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Appreciate that. And Cheyenne is at the control panel tonight. She's the one that just did all of the helpful troubles hooting, so go Cheyenne. And Cheyenne, we'll do a roll call, please. Perfect. Thank you. First, let's start with Anderson. Present. Secara. Present. Campbell. Here. Crass. Present. Jones. Present. Jordan. Present. McCoy. Present. Melson. Present. Nugent. Present. Haunton. Present. Savage. Present. Cheryl. Absent this evening. And we have quorum. Wonderful. Thank you all very much. Thank you, Cheyenne. Next, we have approval of the minutes. There are minutes from March 30th, 2026. Do any council members have any changes or questions about the minutes? Okay. Not seeing any, then those will remain as submitted. Thank you. Next, we have our committee meeting schedule for this coming Wednesday, April 15th. Cheyenne, are you aware of any changes to the posted committee schedule? There are no changes. We'll be starting at just after 9, and then we should be wrapping up around 3.30 with a lunch in between. Excellent. Thank you. And for members of the public, all the information about upcoming committee meetings are located on the City of Missoula website under City Council Meeting Video Agenda and Minutes. Just scroll down to the calendar, and you can click on the right day and the committee and associated documents. All right. So next, we have our special presentations and proclam ations. We don't have any Neighborhood Council updates this evening , but we do have two proclamations. And so I'm going to go ahead and read those now. Well, the first is in conjunction with Missoula County, and it is in regards to Sexual Assault Action Month. And it is also on the screen there for folks to follow along. Here we go. Missoula County, the City of Missoula, the University of Montana, and the Associated Students of the University of Montana. So pardon me. This is in conjunction with all of those groups. Whereas Sexual Assault Action Month calls attention to the fact that sexual violence is widespread and has public health and safety implications for the city and county of Missoula and beyond. And whereas rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment harm our friends, families, and community. Studies show one in six women and one in 33 men have been raped or experienced attempted rape. One in nine girls and one in 53 boys experienced child sexual abuse at the hands of an adult. And 13% of all college students experience rape or sexual assault through violence. And whereas people of color, especially Native American women, experience violence, unwanted sexual contact or abuse at a much higher rate than other demographics. And whereas statistics can tell us how many people are harmed, but talking to a survivor reveals the true impact of this violence is the loss of safety and trust. And whereas the goal of this month is not merely awareness, but prevention of sexual harassment, abuse, and assault. And whereas prevention means stopping sexual violence before it happens by changing norms that allow it to exist in the first place. Ranging from attitudes, values, and behaviors to laws, institutions, and social norms. And whereas prevention is everyone's job and all of us can help create safe environments by intervening to stop behavior. Promoting healthy attitudes and relationships and believing survivors and connecting them to resources. And whereas we strongly support the efforts of national, state, and local sexual assault prevention and response programs in their efforts to create safe and healthy communities. Now, therefore, we, the undersigned, do hereby continue to support the UM Student Advocacy Resource Center and the YW CA of Missoula, All Nations Health Center, First Step at Providence St. Patrick Hospital, the Make Your Move Project of Missoula Public Health, law enforcement agencies, including the Missoula Police Department, Missoula County Sheriff's Office, and UM Police Department, the Missoula County Community Justice Department, the Special Victims Unit of the Missoula County Attorney's Office, the City Attorney's Office, and communities across the country in playing an active role to prevent sexual violence. Along with the United States government and the state of Montana, we do hereby proclaim April 2026 as Sexual Assault Action Month in the city of Missoula and Missoula County. Thank you. Right. Then we have a second proclamation this evening. And the second proclamation is in regards to Landscape Architecture Month. Whereas landscape architecture encompasses the analysis, design, planning, management, and stewardship of the natural and built environment, and whereas landscape architects are uniquely qualified to address climate change through resilient and sustainable green infrastructure design strategies that restore ecosystems, mitigate environmental hazards, and reduce the long-term financial burden of disaster recovery on state and local governments. Whereas landscape architects are committed to addressing racial, social, environmental, and climate justice for all communities. And whereas landscape architects believe that policymakers at all levels of government can and should seek to erad icate the inequities that harm underserved communities, including communities of color, low-income populations, and tribal and indigenous communities across the country. And whereas Missoula's economy benefits from licensed landscape architects through the creation of inviting and safe spaces for the public, residents, and tourists alike, while simultaneously protecting the environment and associated ecological systems. Now, therefore, I, Andrea Davis, mayor of the city of Miss oula in the state of Montana, hereby recognize the month of April, 2026, as Landscape Architecture Month. And we do have Lucy and Kent here this evening as guests, I believe, as landscape architects, part of a regional association, wishing to say a few words. Come on up. Thank you, Madam Mayor. This is the first time I've been before this group in a long time, so it's kind of nice to be back and to proclaim something about our profession. This is great. I'm Kent Watson. I'm a landscape architect, principal of Kent Watson and Associates, landscape architecture, and yes, I'm still practicing here in Missoula. I am a Montana native. I grew up in Yellowstone Park, and by virtue of living in that national park and being subject to the influence of parents that we had in the park, the landscape architect there influenced me to become a landscape architect while I was still in high school. Doing that profession. There you go. Yeah. Is this better? Yeah, that is a bit better. Thank you. I was influenced to become a landscape architect. I had a very enjoyable career in doing so. Finally getting back to Missoula in 1990 and watching so much of the growth that has happened in the city during that time. A little bit of background that some of you may not be aware of. I'm sure most of you have probably driven going to the Sun Road. That road was actually designed by a landscape architect. There's a wonderful anecdote. If you ever have time to stop at the Loop, if there's ever any parking places, because that little parking area is so small, there's a wonderful exhibit about this. In 1924, the assistant landscape architect for the National Park Service, Tom Vint, was up there in Logan Pass with the director of the Park Service, Stephen Mather, a very high-energy entrepreneurial type, who had all kinds of wild ideas and was trying to figure out the best way to get a highway across the park. The road engineer for the Park Service presented a plan of 15 switchbacks going up Logan Creek. Can you imagine just the avalanche damage alone from a road like that would have been catastrophic? Tom Vint stood up. He was a recent graduate at UC Berkeley and presented the plan, which is the road we now drive today. And it's the kind of thing that shows the broad scope of our profession. I just want to mention before I let Lucy tell you more about some of the things locally, the kind of things I've been involved here have been trails . I work with HDR on the Bitterroot Trail, work with WGM on the Milwaukee Trail, and the baller that you all see along those trails I designed as part of the Milwaukee project. So I'll turn it over to Lucy to talk some more. Thank you, Kent, for the historical perspective and your contribution to the community. Thank you very much. Our own Lucy Rumler from Missoula Parks and Rec Department here representing the association. Not to take your thunder, but nice to see you here. Thanks, Lucy. Thank you so much. Yeah, I'm early in my career, and I'm working towards lic ensure as a landscape architect. And I just wanted to touch on a few local examples. One we've probably all heard of is Fort Missoula Regional Park. That one had a consultant team of landscape architects that led the project through design and construction management. And their expertise was essential in everything from preserving the view sheds to planning the circulation design to integrating elements of historical components from the C CC era and other important historical footprints of that area. They were critical in designing stormwater management features so that stormwater would drain into planted areas and get treated rather than straight down to the aquifer. And one cool thing about the fort is that it's the first sustainable sites initiative certified project in the state . And that was in large part due to those landscape architects and the team that were working to making sure that the project could meet all the rigorous standards, sustainable material sourcing and construction practices, and to really make that a reality. And beyond the fort, there's a lot of projects around town from trails and plazas at the fairground, botanical gardens , river accesses, and a lot of other pretty special places to be. So anyway, it's overall just a rewarding career to be going into and, you know, really making these spaces that we can enjoy and just a career that's full of curiosity and problem solving and creativity. So we're excited to share that with everyone. Thank you. Excellent, Lucy. Thank you very much. Congratulations on the start of your career. And, Kent, wonderful to have you round out the conversation with the many years that you've spent in this profession. Great examples from you both. Thank you so much. That's so interesting. And thanks again for coming down. Really appreciate that. All right. Well, that wraps up our proclamations this evening, which is the entire section under agenda item number four, because, as I mentioned, we don't have any neighborhood council. So we'll have some updates this evening. Awesome. Thank you. So public comment for items that are not on the agenda is next. And the first period of public comment on items that are not on the agenda is limited to 20 minutes, total with up to three minutes allotted per speaker. Each person may speak once per meeting concerning items not on the agenda. In-person comments take precedence. Sign-up is required and follows a first-come, first-served basis. The second period of public comment on items not on the agenda will follow immediately after the conclusion of all regular business and continue until all comments have been taken. So I do have the sign-up sheet here. And we have Suzette Dussault, who has signed up. Come on up, Suzette. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. I am back again tonight to encourage you to take the opportunity to use the city lands that are currently city- owned property. They're the property of the Missoulians. They're property that you purchased with our tax dollars. So I feel that they do belong to our community. And in part of your guiding document, you said that these parcels need to be kept in the most and best use of this property. And that is exactly what I'm asking you to do. We know that from studies from the city's own document on housing, from the county's document on housing, then you know from your neighbors, from your employees, your people you see every day, your constituents, the housing is hugely critical. There are so few tools in our toolbox anymore. One of these tools is the land trust. Once the city can put these lands in land trust, then the cost of that land is forever, ever, ever taken out of the cost of the housing. It's an automatic reduction of the cost of housing, which is what we so desperately need in this community. And so I urge you to take this opportunity. Please do not sell these lands. Hold on to them. We have trust, homes in trust for over 40 years. Bob Oaks thought to that 40 years ago. And he made sure that a portion of our Missoula community had land trust. So we have a model. There's another aspect, and I was pleased to hear the shout out for natural housing. Habitat, natural land in Missoula. And we, on our precious valley floor, we are losing so much of that. Mostly, I would say, to commercial development. So we have an opportunity in one of these parcels to save an historic ditch, to save an historic cottonwood grove, to save an historic beloved part of Missoula. Imagine if you would decide that McCormick Park Fishing P ond would be gone forever. Imagine if you would, the furor the community would come out with, if you said, oh, we don't need really the 39th Duck Pond, 39th Street Duck Pond. The public would be very, very, very distressed, to say the least, about this. So what I'm suggesting is that we keep this. And the original plan was for this to be straight and di verted for commercial. Now, I argue, is commercial the best and highest need of this community? And I would argue no. So please, go, please put this into trust land. Thank you for your comments this evening, Suzette. And I know that the last time you were here making this comment, I had an opportunity to address through Mayor's comments, but you had left already, the substantive community land trust that the city has invested in at the Scott Street Rivara parcel. So I hope that that's something that you've taken a look at . It's part of our city lands initiative and all the work that we've been doing there. And so that's a substantial investment the city has made, not only through the purchase of land and the contribution to the community land trust, which is front step, which was, of course, in North Missou la CDC. But then we also invested in the workforce housing. And I just wanted to make sure you knew that. Thank you. And I am aware of that. Thank you very much. And what an interesting way to have a conversation or a dialogue about this. This is not the way to have a dialogue or conversation, but I do appreciate the city actually acknowledging that. And MRA also investing in our community with the tool, the other tool we have, which is- Thank you, Suzanne. ...instrument financing. Appreciate that. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right. Any other members of the public wishing to make public comment on items that are not on the agenda? Anybody in the audience this evening? All right. Not seeing anybody in the audience. How about online? Okay. Not seeing any online either. That wraps up our public comment or items that are not on the agenda. So next we will move to public hearings. State law and city council's rules set guidelines for inviting community comment in a formal way on certain issues following a staff report on each item. The city council and the mayor invite community comment. City council holds a public hearing on the item. A member of council makes a motion and a vote is taken. The public hearing and vote take place on the same night unless there is a reason to hold the vote over to a later date. So 6.1, item 6.1 is mountain line maintenance, operations, and administrative base, annexation, and zoning upon annexation. And we have a staff report being delivered by Tara Porcari. Awesome. Thank you, Mayor. Again, my name is Tara Porcari. I am a planner with the current planning group of CPDI. And again, this is for an annexation request from DJNA on behalf of the Missoula Urban Transportation District, as well as Prolo Family Clovis, LLC. The area on the request is about 20 acres, just southwest of the airport. It's off Whippoorwill Drive. It includes the main tract 1A1 and a portion of tract 1A2 of Certificate of Survey 7043, which also captures the right-of-way for Whippoorwill Drive all the way to West Broadway. Map on the left there on the screen shows city limits in the different shaded colors, while the areas with no shading are currently located within the county. And the annexation exhibit on the right shows our city limits in yellow. The site is intended for the development of Mountain Line's new MOAB facility, which stands for the Maintenance Operations and Administration Base. It will include space for freight operations, some motor vehicle repair, an EV charging hub, and administrative office space, as well as all the supporting infrastructure on site. All of that said, just a reminder, annexation decisions are not based on the development proposal, as that, of course, is never guaranteed. But, of course, it's helpful for context. When determining if we want to annex land into our city limits, we have to rely on the city's annexation policy, basically to see if it meets the applicable criteria. The big one is always if the proposed annexation is located within our annexation area A, which includes areas that generally meet our guidelines in the annexation policy and contribute to the logical growth pattern of the city. We're looking at things like orderly municipal boundaries or filling gaps. We also want to prioritize areas that are within the utility service area boundary and proposals that align with the city land use plan, all of which are applicable to this property. So staff opinion is that the current proposal is supported by the annexation policy. And then just to kind of follow that up, obviously there's a bit more detail in the staff report. But, again, the big one, this is just showing where it sits within annexation area A and city limits. On this map, everything in shaded pink is currently in the county. And everything still in white is within city limits. Here is the current county zoning for the property. This area is under the Swatupkane Neighborhood Form-Based Code. And the development wouldn't be possible under the county zoning for a few reasons. The first big one being that they need city utilities and would be required to annex to receive those. And the second being that there would have been quite a few roadblocks with the workplace designation under Swatupkane, including issues with their block length, dead-end streets, and a few other details pertaining to site design standards , as well as conditional or warranted use proposed for the site. So that's why they're coming forward for annexation. Here is the place type map under the current land use plan. The subject property has a place type of industrial and employment, which has just two comparable zoning districts, either I-1 or I-2 industrial. Then this map here shows adjacent city zoning districts in the area. The proposed zoning upon annexation is I-1 industrial, which, as I mentioned on the last slide, is a comparable zoning district under our land use place type. And then it also allows for the proposed uses included with the MOAB facility proposal, which, again, would pretty much be bus storage, vehicle maintenance, EV charging stations, and office space . So this will be new to everyone tonight, since I think this is the first annexation going forward under our new Title 22 Unified Development Code, or UDC. Kind of exciting there. So we've got some new review criteria language for the annexation process. It's in Section 415.05. The overall process is pretty much the same, but it's stated a bit simpler and, in my opinion, more straightforward, a little bit clearer. It basically outlines the annexation needs to be supported by the annexation policy, and the land use plan should guide zoning. So we've covered that this request aligns with the annex ation policy, and that the requested zoning upon annexation is relatable or comparable zoning district under the land use plan in UDC. Then this language also gives a bit of flexibility to the zoning administrator, just to ensure that any project-specific details, public or agency comment, or any other concerns, have their loose ends all tied up, which we usually, obviously, cover through annexation conditions. So pretty much the same process, just written out a little bit clearer and a little bit more simply. So on that note, in this case, we have seven recommended conditions from staff. Most of these are from our public works department. The first one is just ensuring they petition to be in the transportation district, which, of course, in this case, shouldn't be a problem because it's mountain line, but just in case something were to happen to the project and land were to be transferred, that sort of a thing, this is always standard with our annexations, just to make sure they're part of that district. Then, moving on, we've got two conditions on road improvements, one to have them dedicate a minimum 68-foot right-of-way along Whippoorwill from the western edge of the parcel going east and ending at West Broadway, and then the other to install street improvements all along that portion of Whippoorwill. The next one is to require a boulevard landscaping and maintenance plan for that same section of Whippoorwill with the installation and maintenance covered by adjacent property owners. Then the last three conditions from utilities and fire require the design and installation of all water and sewer infrastructure and a fire hydra plan to be approved by city engineering and fire. At this point, we haven't received any agency comment or public comment. The city's been working really closely with the folks over at Mountain Lion and all of their consultants just to help them submit for and get building permits as quickly as possible following the possible approval of this annexation since they've got some pretty tight federal deadlines for grants for this project. Some of those conversations have obviously touched on the need for some possible floodplain permitting. So they have discussed with our floodplain staff kind of what they need to get going with that and how they might receive their building permits in a timely manner. So just providing some background for everyone since, of course, we all know supporting our public transit operations in Missoula are really important to us. So with that, here is staff's recommended motion to approve the annexation and adopt a resolution to annex. I will pass it back over and I believe Jordan's here. I'm not sure if there's another applicant representative, but they're here to present today if they'd like and might make a couple comments before you open things up. So that's it for me. Thank you. And I can answer any questions too. Great, Tara. Thank you so much. And welcome, Mr. Hess. Thank you, Mayor, members of the council. Thank you, Tara, for the presentation. You'd think after 10 years in this room, I wouldn't be dumb enough to sit right behind the public comment camera, but I am. So anyway, nice to see you all. And I'm just here really to thank everyone for considering the annexation. This facility will replace our facility that we're in now, which we've been in since 1980. We're on 2.2 acres in the west side. And at that time, we had four buses and three bus routes. We've grown now to 47 vehicles, including 30 full-size buses. And this facility will serve us for the next several decades to come. It represents a $70 million investment in our community. And over the course of the construction project, we'll touch 1,000 employees that will actually work on the site. We'll have 200 tradespeople on the site at any given time during the peak of the project. So it's a major economic investment. Every dollar invested in public transportation results in $ 5 of economic gain. So it's just a really good investment in our community and in the ability of members of our community to access opportunity. So just wanted to get that out there. Happy to answer any questions. I did want to take a moment to thank the staff, Tara, and the entire team. I know that you get complaints about processes. And from our vantage point, this process has been remarkable. The staff have been so helpful and flexible and solution- oriented. And I can't say enough about their dedication to helping get this done. So thank you. Happy to take any questions. Jordan, thank you so much. I'm very kind. Thank you very much for your words of support for the staff . And it's an exciting project to see at this stage. So I do see a couple of hands are raised. And we'll go ahead and start with questions from Council. Councilor Jordan. Thank you. This may have come up in previous conversations, but as I sit here and try and remember, I can't remember. And I'm curious, either staff or Jordan, what's going to happen to the property on the west side when you move? Yeah. So we will be looking to divest of that site. We're looking to sell it, I guess. And there's not a lot of uses for a process facility. I mean, there's not a lot of entities that could move in and use it as is. It is pretty well suited for that. And there's an 11,000-gallon underground diesel tank. And there's a bunch of amenities that make it useful to someone who has a small vehicle fleet. So to be determined, we've got a couple of years, but it's available. All right. Thank you. Councilor Campbell, your hand was raised. Do you have that same question? Councilor Jordan, we're up to the very same question. Okay. Yeah, curiosity. All right. We'll all have to keep putting our thinking caps on. It might be good there. Councilor Becerra. I'm happy to support this. And I just want to say that I'm also happy that Mountline will remain in Ward 2. Thanks. Absolutely. Any other council questions at this point? Council questions. Okay. Not seeing any other council questions. And we'll go ahead and hear the main motion. And use plan chair and council president, Newchamp. Thank you, Mayor Davis. I move City Council adopt a resolution to annex, incorporate within the boundaries of the City of Missoula, tract 1-A-1 of Certificate of Survey 7043 in Section 1, Township 13 North, Range 20 West, PMM, Missoula County, Montana, and a portion of tract 1-A-2, Certificate of Survey 7043, located in the southeast, one quarter of Section 1, Township 13 North, Range 20 West, PMM, Missoula County, Montana. And more particularly described in Exhibit B. And zone the property I-1 industrial subject to the conditions of annexation based on the findings of fact in the staff report. Excellent. Excellent. Thank you very much. So the motion's on the floor. This opens the public hearing and an opportunity for any member of the public to comment on the motion on this agenda item. Not seeing any members of the public in the audience jumping up. I'll check online to see if there's any public comment for this agenda item online. All right. Not seeing any public comment. And that does wrap up our public comment and the hearing. And I'll bring it back to parliamentary debate. So any council questions or comments are certainly welcome at this time. Any council questions or comments? Councilor Jones. I just want to say thanks for all the work that has gone into this. I know this has been a years-long project to figure out this next step for the growth of Mountain Lion. And I'm really glad that you're at the helm and leading it up, Jordan. You're just a great person to begin with. But a great leader in that arena of transportation. And so Mozilla's lucky to have you. And, yeah, I think this is a great plan. Happy to support it. Thank you, Councilor. Councilor McCoy. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I also just wanted to offer my support and appreciation for all the effort that's going into this. I do have one, you know, just curious question about boulev ards and landscaping in an industrial area. I mean, is that necessary? Or is that, like, kind of a step in review process? Just kind of curious, like, what that looks like in an industrial area. We'll have Tara respond to that. Sounds good. And, of course, you're welcome. Yeah. That's all a part of our Public Works manual. I don't know if we have anyone else, like, from Public Works to comment on the details here. It doesn't look like anyone is present right now. But that all comes directly from the Public Works manual and references in the UDC. Okay, great. I can get more info later. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Great. Thank you for your question and your response. Any other questions or comments from council members? Seeing any? All right. Then that looks like it wraps up our council comment. And so we are ready for a roll call vote, please. All right. Starting with Anderson. Yes. Becerra. Yes. Campbell. Yes. Prask. Yes. Jones. Yes. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Aye. Aye. Melson. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Haunted. Yes. Savage. Yes. And the motion passes. Wonderful. Well, thank you all very much. We had a little bit of a sideline joke here that if this passed, we were hoping that we could get free bus rides for the mayor and council. Okay. Great. Yeah. Mr. Hess, I just want to congratulate you and Mountain Lion . This is a really significant move going forward. What seems like a small, minor regulatory item is a significant aspect of the development foundation that needs to happen there by bringing public utilities. And we were talking earlier about how planning really is what makes intentional things flow. And this is one of those things where Mountain Lion has planned for a long time. And congratulations to me at this point. We're excited to come celebrate some earth moving and some dirt shoveling here, hopefully eventually. It would be really great. Thanks so much for all your service to the community. We appreciate it. You bet. All right. We do have a second public hearing this evening. And it's a bit of a routine business aspect, which is when we do budget amendments. So we have our finance director joining us, Lee Griffin. And this is for fiscal year 2026, quarter two budget amendments. Ms. Griffin will be joining us online. And she'll take it away from here. Thank you, Mayor. Let's see. Oh, I've got my screen up. Sorry. I'm battling too many screens behind the scenes here. Today, I'm bringing forward the fiscal year 2026 second quarter budget amendments. And budget amendments allow us to adjust spending authority throughout the year. And these help us align the budget with new revenues, project needs, changes in timing, things that come up throughout the year. Under Montana law, these changes require a public hearing. And if we're adding spending authority, we also need to clearly show the funding sources for that. So tonight, I am asking city council to approve a resolution which increases total city revenues by $242,033 and reduces budgeted appropriations or expenditures by $1, 276,712. The next two slides provide the line item detail of all of these proposed quarter two amendments. And these will show whether the change is in revenue or expenditures, the specific fund and department impacted, the purpose of the adjustment. And these total up to those dollar amounts shown in the resolution. At the same time that we bring budget amendments, we also bring forward budget transfers and carry forwards. And budget transfers move existing appropriations between line items to keep accounting accurate and transparent. And budget carry forwards really move forward approvals from the prior year into the current year. This usually happens when we have capital projects, projects that happen over more than one fiscal year or contracts that were not completed before year end. And these are outlined on this slide. And then today we also have an additional slide for administratively approved FTE additions. So this is increases in staffing, but they currently don't have a requested increase for budgeting, for additional budget authority within this fiscal year. But we want to bring that forward for transparency and so folks know what's happening with the budget in the city. And that concludes the overview of the second quarter budget amendments. And I'm here for questions. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Ms. Griffin. Do we have any questions from Council? I'm not seeing any questions from Council. All right. Then we'll go ahead and hear the main motion. President Nugent. Thank you, Mayor Davis. I move City Council adopt a resolution for the second quarter fiscal year 2026 amendments to the annual appropri ations for the City of Missoula. Montana has set forth in the fiscal year 2026 budget that increases the total city revenues by $242,033 and reduces budgeted appropriations by $1,276,712. In order to recognize additional revenues, activities and expenses for fiscal year 2026 incorporate expenditures and projects approved in the fiscal year 2026 budget process, which were not captured in the final appropriations resolution and recognize revenues and expenditure carry forwards from fiscal year 2025. Excellent. Thank you very much. Motions on the floor. Public hearing is open. Is there any public comment on this agenda item? Not seeing any in the room. How about online? Not seeing any online either. That wraps up our public hearing and public comment. It brings it back to council for any additional comments or questions. Okay. Not seeing any additional questions or comments. And we'll go ahead and take a roll call vote for this agenda item, please. All right. Starting with Becker. Becker. Yes. Campbell. Yes. Crast. Yes. Jones. Yes. Jordan. Yes. McCoy. Yes. Melson. Yes. Nugent. Yes. Compton. Yes. Savage. Yes. And Anderson. Yes. The motion passes. Okay. Wonderful. Thanks, folks. That wraps up our public hearings for this evening. We don't have any new business under agenda item number seven. So that brings us to our consent agenda. Diane will go ahead and share the consent agenda on screen for those that are watching on MCAT. Items on the consent agenda were approved in city council committees to be placed on the consent agenda to save time at council meetings by voting on them as a package. City clerk will read the list aloud. So citizens watching on MCAT will know what is on the consent agenda. And then we'll invite community comment on these items before we vote. Go ahead and take it away, Cheyenne. Perfect. Starting off, we have ratify accounts payable claims for checks dated April 7th, 2026 in the amount of $1,075,730.35. Approve the use of impact fees funding and accept the bid for Langlis construction for the completion of the station for the station for dorm addition in the amount of $323,136. Approve the west end home subdivision phase 2 and 3 final plat. Finally, to adopt the west Broadway river corridor master plan as a guiding document for future actions within the planning area. Thank you very much. Is there any public comment on the consent agenda this evening? Not seeing any audience. We have a hand raised online it looks like. Phone number 4062146698. Please go ahead and unmute yourself. I'll time you for three minutes on this side. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. Phone number 4062146698. 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