Palm Desert, California

Recording in progress. Okay. Welcome, everyone. I now call to order the regular meeting of the Palm Desert City Council and successor agency to the Palm Desert Redevelopment Agency. The Palm Desert Housing Authority and the Palm Desert Board of Library Trustees for Thursday, June 25, 2026. City Clerk, may we please have the roll call. Council Member Harding. Here. Council Member Moreno. Present. And may we ask the nature of the need to remote participate? Yes, I'm participating remotely from my office in City Hall due to illness. There is no one present in the room with me. Thank you. Council Member Nastandy. Here. Mayor Pro Tempredetto. Here. And Mayor Truby. Here. All councils present. Okay. I want to ask Mayor Pro Tempredetto to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Please rise. I will now ask Council Member Harnick to provide us with some words of inspiration. Thank you, Mayor. How you do anything is how you do everything. Portrays how the whole picture of our life is composed of the sum of small moments. The way we do every little tasks. The way we do every little task. How we handle every minute. How we approach our life, job, friends, and how we use our time. The great philosopher Heraclitus is quoted. Day by day, what you do is who you become. Excellent. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. And if we could now have a report from closed session from our city attorney. Thank you, Mayor. No reportable actions were taken in closed session this afternoon. Very good. Moving on to item nine, awards, presentations, and appointments. We will ask for item nine, a Palm Springs Airport Commission update. And Commissioner Kevin Wiseman to present. I haven't got here yet. All right. What do you think? He said he's parking. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, um. Other comments. Yeah. Okay. City manager comments. We'll jump leapfrog over to item 10, city manager. Thank you, Mayor. I'll invite up Lieutenant Boris for a quick update. Hello, everyone. We're going to wait up and wait until we get a little flyer up here. I don't want to start. Maybe it's not ready. There we go. So next, in two weeks, we've been invited by Assemblyman Mayor Greg Wallace to participate in a senior scam awareness seminar that's going to be here at Palm Desert Community Center. Unfortunately, these scams are still happening. Criminals are becoming increasingly sophisticated using fear, urgency, deception to convince victims to withdraw cash, purchase gift cards, and send money order under false pretenses. While this is still concerning, there is some encouraging news. We are seeing more members of the public stepping forward and helping us identify scams before victims lose their money. Retail clerks are calling law enforcement when they notice someone is purchasing large amounts of gift cards under suspicious circumstances. They are asking questions, recognizing warning signs, and helping protect vulnerable residents. We're also seeing rideshare drivers become an unexpected but important line of defense. In many scams, criminals instruct victims to withdraw cash or package money and then use rideshare drivers to transport it. The driver often has no idea they're being used as part of a criminal and a scheme. However, as awareness grows, more drivers are recognizing unusual circumstances such as elderly passengers making urgent trips to the bank or requests to transport suspicious packages. And they are contacting law enforcement when something doesn't seem right. And of course, bank employees continue to play a critical role. For years, they've been trained to identify fraud, financial and financial exploitation. Their vigilance has prevented countless victims from losing their life savings, and we're grateful for their partnerships. The common thread is simple. Community involvement works. Law enforcement can't be everywhere. But when residents, businesses, financial institutions, and transportation providers work together, we create a stronger safety net for those who are most at risk. We encourage everyone to join us in this effort. Talk with your family members, especially seniors. Also, about common scams. Be willing to ask questions when something doesn't seem right. And if you suspect someone is being targeted, don't hesitate to contact law enforcement. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you, Lieutenant Porras. Well, I see that Mr. Wiseman has arrived. May jump back to number nine. And we'll have a report from the Palm Springs Airport Commissioner. Thank you, Lieutenant Porras. Hello, everyone. Sorry for the delay. So, exciting things going on at the airports. All, I've been asked to keep it to about three minutes, so I'll do paint in broad strokes and leave a little time for you guys to ask more detailed questions. One of the biggest major new developments at the airport and recent, since my last visit, the executive director and the director of marketing have left to Greener Pastures. And we have an interim executive director serving, Miss Victoria Carpenter. She's doing an excellent job. They're actively searching for a new executive director and for a new deputy director of marketing, air service, and commercial development. We'll talk more broadly about the positive developments and then go into just some information that I think the public should be aware of in the next couple of months. So, broadly, the airport is growing its passenger figures, still at a steady clip. They're making lots of excellent changes to the customer experience and making investments in all sorts of areas. One recent example, there was recently an unveiling of an art at Palm Springs, art at PSP, how shall we call it, initiative. And the first launch they had was some new art in the baggage claim area. So, that's just a small taste of the various items that the airport is working on to enhance our customer experience. Sure, sure, sure. All right. As well, they're putting in some new EV charging stations quite soon. So, you'll look forward to seeing that. This summer, something to be aware of is that they will be taking the escalators out of service for a couple of months in order to get them ready for season in October. So, I think, and I have Jake here from the airport, so I can check for some details. Jake, is it from September to October? The escalators are going to be closing down in August for about two months. And so, we hope to have this done by middle or end of September so that they're back in service ahead of season. And in the interim, we'll have staff at the bottom of the escalators to help carry luggage. Our elevators are still working as well, so people can use the stairs or take the elevator. The goal here is to close them both down, replace them. They are dated and they are outside 100% of the time. And so, they were never really intended for this use, but they need desperately some work. And so, we're going to close them down at the same time with the goal of minimizing disruption, getting it done as quickly as we can at the end of the summer. It's been a long-running topic. And escalators, if you're not familiar, it is just nationwide, even international, just a nightmare across the board, getting parts for them. It's just crazy. Let me see what else we have going on. I think one other thing just to be aware of is, you know, you've heard a lot in the news about the master plan and the plans for expansion. And so, right now, the phase that we're in is the airport is examining the financial feasibility of all these projects and how to make them happen. So, that's the sort of phase when we've progressed from figuring out what we want to build to how we're going to build it. And then, after that, comes designing what we're building and then building what we're building. So, it's going to be a long time coming. And I think, you know, if anyone's expecting big, giant buildings to be coming up overnight at the airport, it's not going to happen. It doesn't work that way. Lastly, I think I'll throw it to you guys if you have any questions, counselors. Any questions for my colleagues? I have one question. Yeah. Airport traffic year-over-year increase? Yes, a slight increase. I think there are some year-over-year months where it's a decrease. Canadian travel is a headwind, for sure. There is, you know, the headwinds of jet fuel. So, growth going into 26 and beyond is certainly not a guaranteed aspect. The way that airlines are reacting to these jet fuel prices by price increases is by cutting routes or frequencies. So, that could definitely impact the sort of near-term growth trajectory. But I think probably in the longer term, it'll continue to be a pretty steady clip of growth. Very good. Council Member Hartick. On that note, I was reading something today about the Canadian traffic going right back up. I think they remembered how cold it was. And that we absolutely do welcome them here. That's good news. I want to comment just how great it is to fly in and out of PSP. It is. Everyone goes out of their way to extend themselves, to be friendly, to make your experience as seamless as possible. And to me, there is no reason to go anywhere else. If we can get in and out of Palm Springs, it's the way to go. And I thank you for all the effort that's been put in to really make it a friendly, accommodating airport. And thank you for representing us on the commission. Absolutely. Good. Council Member Moreno, any questions or comments? Yes. I concur that it is an excellent place to depart. And then you get an extra feeling of coming home and you don't have to go very far. I'm wondering if you have any updates on any direct flights that are coming up over the summer so we can tell folks the good news and not just have them focus on having to endure the lack of escalators. Making new routes. Yes. So we don't have any. Jake, by the way. Thank you so much. It's great to be with you here in the city of Palm Desert as well. No new routes coming up over the summer, although we are continuing to pursue air service opportunities with airlines always. Those conversations are ongoing throughout. That said, you know, you can't, you don't have to go to Ontario or LAX this summer. We've got 12 nonstop destinations to neighbor, to major hubs across the U.S. And so the opportunities are there for a one-stop connection to over 300 global cities. You can reach anywhere in the world from Palm Springs International Airport this summer. And so we just ask the public to keep that in mind when you're booking your summer travel. Europe, Asia, Mexico, Hawaii, right from here in Palm Springs. I always tell folks that you may think it's a little less expensive to fly out of somewhere else, but the time that it takes you, the gas that it's going to take you to fly out of LAX, the parking is going to be more expensive there. So I concur that you can go a lot of places right from here. Thank you again. All right. Thank you. Everybody good. Okay. So thank you so much, Commissioner Wiseman. Anything else? No, that's all. Thank you again. All right. Thank you, Kevin. And thank you, Jake. Appreciate it. All right. And we'll skip on over to item 10B, update about the Palm Desert Aquatic Center from Ms. Shawn Muir. Good afternoon, Mayor, members of the City Council. I'm Shawn Muir, the Community Services Manager. And I'm bringing to you today just a quick update on the Palm Desert Aquatic Center. We wanted to take this opportunity to just recognize the City Council's investment in this facility, and it's an essential community asset. So we wanted to show you some of the improvements as we pull up the presentation. Okay. Okay. Okay. Starting off with a recap of our Memorial Day event. So we had a big reopening or welcoming back to the community on Memorial Day after a six-month renovation closure. And that was a $1 admission event. And we had a fantastic community turnout. We had it open for a lap swim first thing in the morning with some breakfast pastries and coffee and treats. Commemorative swim caps were given away during that morning hour and then moved into recreational swim. So it opened at 10 o'clock for people to bring their families in and enjoy the pools all together. We had a DJ there. The Palm Desert Library was involved and did a book giveaway and was signing up people for library cards. So that was fantastic. And then we did a t-shirt giveaway as well. And I can tell you when I arrived with my family at 11 o'clock, those t-shirts were long gone. So in looking back, we had 744 admissions that day. And so that was a 30% increase from last year. So it was a very successful event. And we're glad that the facility is reopened. But just showing you how we got to this place with the pump room improvements was kind of the impetus for these larger renovations that occurred. The filtration systems needed to be replaced. The heaters and five pumps as well as the smart controllers that control the pumps were replaced. And that was kind of the core of this project. Inside, you can see the before and after of the pump room. And the filtration tank that's on the left there is for the lap pool. It looks like it's kind of smaller in the picture. But that thing is about 6 1⁄2 feet in diameter, about 10 feet tall. So replacing it with a new filtration system, it's a lot more energy efficient. And it's also smaller and more compact. So the new one is only about 4 feet in diameter. Saved a lot of space in the pump room. Here are the new heaters going in. We had five and replaced them with four just because they're that much more efficient. And we're anticipating a 12% reduction in gas usage for heating the pools in the wintertime. This is the, we call it the pit. And this is where all of the pumps live that pump the water throughout the facility. So all of this plumbing was redone and new pumps installed. These are the smart controllers that control the pumps and help them to operate efficiently. A new generator was installed for backup power. When those smart controllers are operating and controlling the pumps, we want to make sure that we don't have any energy outages or power outages that affect the smart controllers in a negative way and potentially can render them useless after power surges. So that will protect those. And then we took the opportunity to make additional facility improvements. While the pool had to be closed for the pump room renovations, the locker room flooring was resurfaced. And there was new cabinetry and blinds installed in the multi-purpose room, which is often used for birthday parties and other events. We did some renovations to the concessions area and repainted the lifeguard room. There was also new doors, new pieces to the splash playground area, new concrete, and then resurfacing the entire parking lot. So the whole facility got a nice facelift. And it led us to the beautiful crystal clear blue water that we see today. We've got some rubber-decky floaties out there and some new recreational features for kids and adults alike to enjoy. Looking at the total capital investment for this fiscal year, it was a little over $2.8 million. We had estimated initially that this project could cost upwards of $3.5 million. So this came in under budget, and we're happy that we were able to complete it at that rate. And then I pulled this slide from the budget presentation directly, so it probably looks familiar. However, you can see our operational costs for this fiscal year are lower because of the closure, and we expect to get back to normal operations this coming fiscal year. We do have $1.75 set aside for capital improvements, but they're really focused on landscaping improvements, some fencing that needs to happen, so they are more maintenance in nature, and it won't cause any facility closures. So we're not looking ahead to do any major work like that this fiscal year. And then for the general fund transfer, we're looking at $2.3 million. $3.4 million is probably the expenditures that we will see. However, we're anticipating $1.1 million in revenue, so that will offset that to the $2.3 million in general fund transfer. And so what are our next steps? Well, we're going to have some fun this summer. The pool is back open. We invite everyone to come back and enjoy it. We've got dive-in movies. Hot summer nights are on Tuesdays and Fridays, and they stay open until 10.30 at night, so it's perfect for after the sun goes down if you don't want to be in the sun. We have great attractions and great food going on. We'll also be looking to build back that attendance and look for off-season ways to improve the attendance, so take advantage of opportunities that we're not taking advantage of now and identifying those new programs that we can add. And then other facility upgrades and maintenance for the future, we want to keep our fingers on the pulse of that, so we don't have any big expenses that come up. The maintenance is the key so that we can have longevity of this asset. And I will also mention that for 4th of July, there is a $10 admission flat rate for anyone who wants to come down and watch the fireworks from the pool, and they'll have the concessions open and all of the recreational features going. So come on down and enjoy the aquatic center, and I'm open for any questions that you may have. Okay, any questions? Council Member Moreno. I didn't even raise my hand, but somehow you knew I had a question. I just don't want to leave you left out, man. What was the cost of admission for the 4th of July? It's $10. Whether you're a resident or non-resident, it's a flat rate for that day only. They open at noon, and they'll be open until after the fireworks have been completed. Thank you very much. If I remember, last year you had the concessions open even to the park side. In other words, people were just coming in from the park and able to use the concessions, and that's the plan again this year? That window will not be open this year. We've added more features in the concession stand to offer more food variety. So unfortunately, that window can't be open, but the aquatic center will be open and serving food. Okay, perfect. Thank you. You're welcome. Good. Just one more quick update. Assistant City Manager Richard Canoni updated on a new program, as well as we're utilizing video more to highlight city programs. Good evening, Mayor and City Council. So tonight, our communication team would like to introduce what we're calling Palm Desert Stories, which is a new video series to further expand our digital communication and community outreach efforts. And so our intent is really using storytelling to help provide a better understanding of the programs and services that we're offering every day, as well as strengthening both our transparency and engagement, kind of giving a behind-the-scenes look at what we do at times. And so our goal right now is to release new episodes at least monthly with the intent of increasing that frequency as time goes. So with that, I'll let the premiere of our Palm Desert Stories run. When a Palm Desert Pack gets adopted, it helps with the program, it helps to take a while to help. It helps to see the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program. So with that, I will also take a while to help, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program, as well as the program. So with that, I will take it all the program. When a Palm Desert Pack gets adopted, it helps with the program, as well as the program, the city saves money, and most importantly, the pet gets a better life. Homeward Paws helps make that happen. The Homeward Paws program is a pet adoption incentive program designed to help Palm Desert residents adopt Palm Desert animals through the Riverside County Animal Services at the Coachella Valley Animal Campus. Through the program, Palm Desert residents who adopt a Palm Desert cat or dog may be eligible to receive a $125 gift card to PetSmarter Petco, wherever you want to go. These gift cards are to help offset the expenses of bringing home a pet and help them feel settled in. So anyone that's interested in adopting a Palm Desert pet can just stop into our shelter and ask a staff member. We can direct you to those pets, or we also place stickers on their kennels, so that way you know which ones are part of the program. One of the great things about this program, it has the potential to be self-funding. So right now, the city currently pays approximately $35 a day per pet to stay in the shelter. So by adopting one of these animals, you're reducing the number of days, saving the city money, and we're able to reinvest that funding into programs such as this. We definitely understand that adopting a pet is a big commitment and a big decision that you are taking. So we're here to make the process as easy as possible. So just come in, ask a simple question. We'd love to introduce you to some of our pets. And if you do decide to proceed with the adoption, all of our adoptions are including microchipping, spay and neuter, age-appropriate vaccines, and a cute little name tag as well. Yeah. I think this program is important because it's going to benefit the pets, the adopters, and the shelter system. It's going to benefit the pets because they're able to come home to a loving family. It's going to benefit the adopters because they're going to benefit the adopters because they're going to gain a new companion and a loving member of the family. And it's going to benefit the shelter system because it's going to reduce overcrowding and open up the space for animals. And it's going to benefit the adopters because they're going to gain a new companion and a loving member of the family. And it's going to benefit the adoption of the shelter system because it's going to reduce overcrowding and open up the space for animals that are really in need. If someone has had adoption on their mind and aren't ready to make the full commitment yet, just stop in at our shelter. We're here to help you. We're here to make the process for you simple and easy. If you have any questions, we'd love to help you with that. We'd love to introduce you to some of our pets. We know adoption can be a little intimidating. So if you're not really ready to fully adopt, we also have our dog day out program where you can take a dog out for the day. We're also looking for fosters and volunteers if you want to help contribute to the shelter. So if you want more information or if you want to take the first step to adopting these Palm Desert animals, visit palmdesert.gov/pets. When an adopter does come in and they find the perfect pet for their family, it's so rewarding. I feel like, I mean, that's what I'm here for. I'm here to help people find the perfect match. So seeing that when someone finds the pet that they want to welcome to their home and that connection that they make with the pet, I think is probably my favorite. my favorite that was our first one right any questions from my colleagues I couldn't hear any of that that second portion but thanks to ADA requirements I was able to read the captions but I couldn't see or got a little blurry do we know if those stickers that were on there is that the official sticker that will be taken to the library or was that something else yes that is the official sticker we had provided those to to the shelter okay thank you okay very good good work we will now move on that's it for state manager comments correct correct all right very good thank you we'll now move on to item number 11 mayor and council member reports and requests for action we will start with council member standing no comments to share thank you mayor all right council member Moreno let me get to my notes here I'll leave the jazz events for my colleagues on June 17th I was part of the government advisory panel for Southern California Edison and the discussion topic was on the public safety power shut offs and the new process that's going in as required by the California public utilities commission and what's being rolled out for 2027 includes more awareness of the exchange that they have on their website and residential customers are eligible for a portable power stations $200 rebate and $800 rebate for portable generators there was a battery incentive they said their funding for that is on the and that is the self generation incentive and that is the self generation incentive and that is the self generation of the health care that they are going to be able to do that and that is the self generation of the health care that they are going to be able to do that and that is the self generation of the health care that they are going to be able to do that and that is the self generation of the health care that they are going to be able to do that and that is the self generation of the health care that they are going to be able to do that and that is the self generation of the health care that they are going to be able to do that and that is the self generation of the health care that they are going to be able to do that and that is the self generation of the health care that they are going to be able to do that and that is the self generation of the health care that they are going to be able to do that and that is the self generation of the health care that they are going to be able to do that and essentially the devices that are there for life support it's not just going to be my asthma compressor your nebulizer and they I love that the discussions are also including individuals with intellectual disabilities and that could create such a devastating disorientation for some of the customers and I really appreciated that that hadn't been something that was ever brought up before they highlighted the partnerships that cities can have by letting residents know about projects programs like 2-1-1 and connecting them to food banks and of course this is when they can anticipate any major storm event and increase collaborations with the cities I know that they sent out a survey to all of the city managers and public works directors and they happen to mention that they know that we're ahead of that with our city and they see if you are interested in getting those they are through the SCE marketplace and I mentioned that they're in apartments or mobile home communities if you're getting your utilities from that HOA or that central office you don't have your own SCE account to qualify to purchase them and they said that is one of the topics that they're going to be bringing up to the next stages but I think all of this should be ruled out by the middle of next year speaking of utilities right now there is an opportunity or a webinar to help people understand what the decision-making process is for the California Public Utilities Commission I think a lot of people know my bills are going up, the rates are increasing but not the process to get involved and be part of those public hearings and not exist in an isolation as just letters that some folks know so I think that one is going on Tuesday, June 30th, 10am to 11am I saw the Living Desert is hosting the Your Hometown Zoo Days kids and adults in the Coachella Valley you can save up to $15 per ticket so family of four could be $100 and that is available to Coachella Valley residents and you just have to show ID so that's some fun stuff there speaking of animals it is National Adopt-a-Cat Month I know some folks from City Hall have adopted their female their feline companions and I'm happy to see that the program that was highlighted brought up to speed that that program for adoptions has launched and something that has been going on for quite some time is presenting the idea that we finally do need to have a budget committee with animal services we've proposed it at the last meeting and now those conversations are going on as far as the objectives for the committee what that would look like and moving it forward as another step of transparency and I think that will really help reduce some of the frustration when people don't understand all of the limitations and as I mentioned to the director it's been a... we've gotten through some uncomfortable situations to get to where we are but it's made the process better and identified problems and I know that's going to continue I appreciate what the library is doing as a cooling center it's a highly functional cooling center I know that we previously mentioned the Pokemon activities that may happen with Desert Rec they're not happening with Desert Rec but the Pokemon groups that reached out they said thank you to Max and Rachel for helping with the Poke Party on July 8th and that was... I also saw that right now on Libby the online app there are 2,000 books and 1,000 audio books available which includes 53 read-alongs so here we go for all of the parents with kids trying to learn to read and you don't want them on the iPads well, if you can't compromise here's something beneficial on the iPad let's see... 4th of July thanks to the staff and their family members that are going to be voluntold to be there and thank you for staff for continuing the efforts to have the sensory space available at the Portola Community Center and the social media team you guys have been knocking it out of the park man you guys are doing such a great job with having something excuse me dynamic, engaging and fun and it really highlights the way that Team Palm Desert does things and I saw that June is National PTSD Awareness Month and it goes hand in hand with what we were talking about the fireworks some other fun June recognition let's see... what did I have? my notes, sorry but oh, we can't forget that June is LGBTQ Pride Month and we know some of our residents when we had a special meeting mentioned that they were present at Stonewall and they know what happened and I know that... I'm thankful again to see the city recognizing that and amongst the... I don't even know how many there were it could be... I don't know... 160... 168 of these recognitions there were some interesting ones that I learned like the 9th was Donald Duck Day for all of the Disney babies out there and today is National Beatles Day the band, not the bug National Catfish Day Global Belly Button Day and Handshake Day so I hope you guys get a chance to do any of those and the 23rd was National Wear Pink Day and I'm surprised it wasn't on October 4th if you know, you know and that's it for what I've got very good, thank you Council Member Hornick Council Member Hornick Well... we all had the opportunity to go to Desert Willow yesterday we were all... was it yesterday? this week we were all there to celebrate our fire and our sheriff professionals and thank them for what they do for our communities and I'll let the mayor did a great job leading that entire celebration and I'll leave it to you to share some more I did want to mention that on July 7th it is Outdoor Worker Day and that is something we commemorate every year and it was started here in Palm Desert and fortunately Assembly Member Wallace Greg Wallace has taken it and really made it his own and make sure that we do something every year the first year, Burr Tech was involved and they made it special so, you know, think about the people who keep our signals running our public works who make sure that the parks are in good shape or if a tree goes down all our open spaces are still maintained those who work at Desert Willow outside our sheriffs and Cal Fire they're all outdoors and Burr Tech so, I encourage everyone to say thank you these are people who are out in you know, 110 or whatever the degrees might be during the summer and they carry this on to make sure that we have a great place to live so, please make sure to say thank you to them on July 7th but, wouldn't hurt to say thank you every day this summer and that's all I have thank you very good, thank you Mayor Pro Tem I want to recognize our economic development team that put on a broker's breakfast last week it was the first one we've done and they collaborated with Vest Valley Cities and it was a really great opportunity to get in front of the commercial brokers that are often times selling the best places to do business so, getting upstream getting them educated on to what our city is doing to be business friendly and get those folks coming to Palm Desert and staying ahead of what the market demands are for products in terms of real estate and zoning that we can stay on top of so thank you for that last week CVAG Homelessness Committee met and we made a recommendation to the Executive Committee to give the Executive Director of CVAG the ability to negotiate non-cash contributions for our participation in the Housing First Program which is good for Palm Desert because we use the PLHA funding and that will go away we'll exhaust those soon so that gives our team flexibility to negotiate with CVAG in ways to preserve our general fund lastly, I would like to bring a request for action we've had business owners come and testify to us about the unfair business practices created by the illegal placements of signs I've heard from residents as well so I'd like to ask for support to direct staff to look at our sign ordinance and just research if it's giving them the tools they need to properly enforce sign placement to our expectation and it also aligns with our zero blight challenge I support very good okay, as Councilmember Moreno mentioned, we did have our first annual jazz event at the McCallum Theatre Saturday, June 13th the city partnered with the McCallum Theatre and it was sort of a three-part day where at 9 a.m. at the library and again, this is a great, in my opinion, great use of the library and I was so glad to see this it was more a little bit of hands-on if I think I didn't attend it but I think it was a little bit more of an interactive thing at the library where people could get to hear jazz and play jazz I believe and then at one o'clock we started the performances proper at McCallum Theatre it was an all afternoon event a lot of local talent was showcased and then at the evening program brought in I know Mayor Pro Tem and Councilmember Moreno and I all attended and the talent there was just incredible it was worthwhile, it was wonderful and it's a great way for McCallum to extend their season whereas in years past they'd close at the end of April now we're going into midsummer and it was well attended and a great event so I look forward to hopefully that won't be the one and only hopefully it'll be an annual event moving forward as Councilmember Harnick mentioned the Cove Commission held our annual awards luncheon this week at Desert Willow where if those of you are not familiar it's Rancho Mirage Indian Wells Palm Desert all make up the Cove Commission we talk about common issues and did awards program there and the one thing really struck me and it's always struck me since my time on council is just how good our public safety personnel are and I'll give you one example I'll give you one example I actually was fortunate to take a vacation last week and I flew in and out of LA and had some long-term parking there what I thought was a safe place came back after the trip on a Sunday evening Monday evening and a car had been broken into out of this underground garage with hundreds of other cars they picked ours to break into God knows why and I filed a report with security there did the whole rigmarole insurance blah blah blah and talking to the security at the parking garage he said well do you want to file a report with the LAPD and I said probably a waste of time they said yeah 99% chance they won't show up to do the report you can do it online probably won't amount to much you contrast that with the stories were heard at the public safety luncheon of deputies just doggedly pursuing these what in many other cities would be considered like a minor property crime say identity theft or misuse of somebody's credit card and they don't stop until the case is closed and it was just a great reminder sometimes you got to get out of the city to remind yourself how good we have it here it is really remarkable and I'm just really grateful for both fire and sheriffs for the services they provide in our city very very grateful for that and on one last note again like I said I was fortunate enough to take a vacation last week so I don't have a whole lot of business to talk about but it did give me a chance to catch up on my pleasure reading I did read our poetic anthology which I think is the first ever we've ever done and it's marigolds dipped in marmalade it's free it's available at the library I picked this one up actually here at City Hall and it was outstanding and I wasn't really certain how I was going to take to the poet laureate program it's a relatively new program for us I wasn't sure if it was really something the city ought to be involved in and even if this is the only thing the poet laureate does is conduct these bi-weekly programs for local residents and non-residents who want to learn more about poetry bring out their sense of expression and articulation that's all well worth it so excellent program and thanks again to the library and the city for moving forward with that project so that's all I have and thank you very much next up we are going to move on to item number 12 non-agenda public comments this time has been set aside for the public to address the city council on issues that are not on the agenda for up to three minutes because the brown act does not allow the city council to act on items not listed on the agenda council members may briefly respond or refer the matter to staff for report and recommendation at a future meeting and I guess city clerk if you could have a few remarks please for those on zoom if you want to participate in public comment please click the raise hand button on your computer or smartphone and if you're joining in by calling on your phone please dial star 9 to raise your hand and when called upon press star 6 to unmute yourself okay very good I'm going to start off with our in person we have one blue card here from sensei Tamara hello good day my name is sensei Tamara Canedo and I am CEO of Seiden Joku and owner of Seiden Kai weird names but I am a karate instructor and I specialize in teaching para karate and I teach individuals with disabilities autism down syndrome cerebral palsy epilepsy blind and wheelchair and as of last year I got appointed para karate coach for Team USA I'm super excited thank you mayor for attending my tournament this year it was a very big impact we had over 160 para competitors and something that I'm very proud I am a new Palm Desert resident and I officially have the largest para karate team in the country so as a woman in a male dominated industry I am a new palm palm desert resident and I officially have the largest para karate team in the country so as a woman in a male dominated industry it is an honor but the reason for the for me coming in today is one I am very grateful for the opportunity for having presented my first grant to the city of Palm Desert I am also a nonprofit and we are looking towards relocating from La Quinta to the city of Palm Desert I am also a nonprofit and we are looking towards relocating from La Quinta to the city of Palm Desert I am also a nonprofit and we are looking towards relocating from La Quinta to the city of Palm Desert I am also a nonprofit and we are looking towards relocating from La Quinta to the city of Palm Desert I am also a nonprofit and we are looking towards relocating from La Quinta to also moving into the city of Palm Desert I am also a nonprofit and we are looking towards relocating from La Quinta to also moving into the city of Palm Desert I just got some inland regional center approval for vendorization and we'll be expanding our services as of a couple of months ago I brought in a therapist from Barbara Sinatra Center because a lot of the individuals that I work with are foster kids sexually abused children and believe it or not a lot of my children and adults with disabilities also have been abused so bringing in a a therapist and the mental health compartment has been huge for us but as of officially today I have an ER doctor that is joining us for nutrition and personal training and the reason is as you may know there are dietary sensitivities and sensories that individuals with disabilities have which have led them to diabetes cardiac issues kidney and liver failure every scenario you can imagine I am dealing with within my team so I'm not just teaching parakarate we are teaching life skills respect focus diet exercise and so much so god willing in the next couple of months we will be officially here in the city of Palm Desert but I did want to just present today and talk about a little bit of my program thank you very good thank you so much all right and any online comments yes one speaker Todd Spitzer very good mr. Spitzer mr. Spitzer your your mic is on mute there you go mr. Spitzer we're not able to hear you how about now yes we can hear you now okay all right sorry about that mr. mayor and members of the city council thank you so much for the opportunity to speak today my name is Todd Spitzer I'm a resident of the city of palm springs I reside in the monterey country club uh I've had correspondence on an issue I'm going to talk about in a moment with your assistant city manager and your staff member Ms. Castro and they've been very attentive very professional and super responsible so I want to thank your staff for that but I do want to inform you on may 21st of this year mayor Taylor the mayor of Indian Wells laid down the gauntlet against the city of Palm Desert regarding the expansion of the Palm Springs airport many of you know that the FAA has changed the flight pattern into the approach corridor for landing into Palm Springs airport the airport as you well know the city of Indian Wells has changed the flight and the city of the city of Indian Wells has hired an outside law firm called DLA Piper and their chief counsel or one of their chief uh one of their lawyers a partner at that Washington DC law firm is the former chief counsel for the FAA and what mayor Taylor said on May 21st is that the airport approach corridor and the noise associated with the flight pattern into Palm Springs is certainly not acceptable to the city of Indian Wells and they've hired an outside firm they are asking the FAA through their council to push the flight corridor out of the city of Indian Wells and into the city of Palm Desert this this conversation about airports um I think we all can agree airport noise can really hurt a community in a drastic way and what I'm asking the city council to agendize for full discussion is a presentation on the airport master plan and the expansion the FAA flight patterns and the changes that the FAA is implementing in terms of the airport expansion if the flight pattern capacity is going to double at Palm Springs airport and Indian Wells is officially on the record lobbying to push the flight pattern north and the city of the city of the city of the city of Palm Desert I really believe this is a very important discussion that the city should be having publicly Palm Desert excuse me Indian Wells Mayor Taylor is not only opining publicly that a problem that is in the city of Indian Wells should be pushed into the city of Palm Desert but he recently took on the city of Coachella criticizing them for not approving uh a project in their city he has no thank you Mr. Spitzer we have the three minute limit and uh you've reached that however you're welcome to submit comments via email as well if you have more you'd like to add thank you any more online comments no other comments okay very good that brings us to item 13 our consent calendar all matters listed on the consent calendar are considered routine and may be approved by one motion the public may comment on any item on the consent calendar for up to three minutes I have no blue speaker cards here are there any online comments no online comments very good would any of my colleagues like to pull an item from the consent calendar for calendar for separate discussion I would like to pull l as in Larry okay and I would like to pull c as in cat I'll make a motion to approve the remainder second council member harney yes council member marino yes council member nestandy yes mayor pertumb perdetto yes mayor truppie yes motion passes five to zero all all right so should we address these in alphabetical order okay so we'll start with item 13 c this is um actually just one very specific component of it uh page 95 under competitive opportunities solicitations released rather it was the one in the middle may 18th construction of the pilot median for landscape master plan I just like a little more detail on that I heard some rumblings around the community people I know had talked about the process and I don't know who from staff uh would like to talk about it but um to me this is important because it's a sort of a portends what may be coming down the pike for the entire city and I was taking you through the process on this pilot one I would love to hear more thank you thank you uh good afternoon again um on the pilot median project the project was uh bid out and the bids came back at um nearly 50 percent or in some cases above 50 percent of the engineer's estimate so what we'll be doing uh staff will be going back looking at the landscape plans that were developed for those pilot medians and then proposing changes to reduce the overall cost of the pilot medians and thus the median uh revitalization throughout the city in the long run from what I understand when you look at these medium projects sometimes they're sort of assessed in a per square foot um is sort of a common measuring stick used and that can range from what eight to ten dollars a square foot uh yes I'd have to get you the the exact numbers I don't have them off the top of my head but yes they are um assessed by a square footage and so what we'd be looking to do is to reduce that um what we saw on some of the costs is that some of the electrical components uh came in higher than what was anticipated and also the cost of traffic control okay very good well I'm satisfied with that and I'm just glad you guys are keeping an eye on the cost get out of control so thank you yes and next we have item uh 13 l which is sorry award construction contract to bear electrical solutions llc for the traffic signal modifications and hardware upgrades phase three take it away chris uh mayor pro tem uh you have the staff report uh as part of your agenda packet if there's any particular questions from council member uh moreno I'd be happy to answer them not a specific question just an overall thank you for um working with the team that is very proactive to be sure that we catch things in time and not have them be more costly in the long run um I loved how diligent you are about the life cycle of the equipment and um just wanted again to say thank you and your team for ensuring that we have reliable and safe streets thank you okay very good anybody care to make a motion to uh move those two items move both items all right yes council member harnick yes council member moreno yes council member nestandy yes mayor pro tem perdedo yes mayor truby yes motion passes five to zero to pass items 13 c and l perfect thank you uh next up we have item 14 action calendar we begin with item 14a approve the management district plan and engineer's report and order the levy and collection of assessments for the president's plaza one property and business improvement district for fiscal year 2627 staff report good afternoon mayor and council members my name is maria murio with public works i also have our consultant will done financial here um this this report is an annual approval for president's plaza one for fiscal year 2627 the proposed levy funds maintenance and uh of the shared parking areas and reflects the authorized three percent annual adjustment and staff recommends approval of the resolutions and i'm available for any questions if you're having all right well before i bring it back to council i want to open this up for public comment um i have no speaker cards are there any online comments no online comments terrific okay any uh questions from my colleagues okay any discussion from the colleagues all right move approval second council member harney yes council member moreno yes council member nestandy yes mayor pertumb perdetto yes mayor truby yes motion passes five to zero terrific thank you okay on item 14b ordinances amending title title 8 and title 11 of the palm desert municipal code to update skate park regulations and regulations governing the distribution and posting of handbills in city parks mayor city council council mayor mayor mayor mayor mayor mayor city council you have before you a staff report amending two of the ordinances related to parks the first updating the skate park ordinance to be consistent with state law and in preparation for the implementation of an open skate park without an attendant present and the second being the distribution of handbills in city parks and clarifying language to protect the first amendment i'm here to answer any questions that you may have okay before i bring it back to my colleagues for questions and discussion we're going to open up for public comment i have no blue cards are there any online comments no online comments terrific okay anybody have any questions i have any questions you selected 25 as the threshold for an organized distribution uh as the number of distributors is when it becomes organized and needing a permit how'd you come up with that number and did you evaluate other numbers that number was recommended by bb and k um who developed the ordinance updates and um i can't speak directly to that perhaps the city attorney can weigh in uh uh mayor pro tem i am not sure if we evaluated other numbers specifically for palm desert but it is um uh going with the herd strategy okay any other questions i have a question in regards to the skate park um when issue when fines are issued to minors um who does the bill get sent to the bill will be addressed to the parent of the minor or guardian and is there an a threshold of fines at which point they'll say you're not be you're not following our safety guidelines and you've incurred them i think it's set up to if there are three per year i think it it bumps up but is there any place in which we'd say your your privileges of um the skate park are are revoked or until you pay x amount or what's the overall enforcement for safety so the structure of that is that it does reset each year so there is an escalating fine so if you have a second violation in the same year then there's a increased fine and then a third violation after that it would be exclusion however without a attendant it is difficult to enforce and then the following year that would reset so the the fines and the escalation of those fines reset each year so if if without understandably it's it's a costly to have an attendant there so how do people notify to get those fines is that just if code happens to be passing or if somebody makes a report i have no idea what the process is yes thank you for that question um we will have qr codes posted at the skate park so at any time for any issue in any in the parks um we have qr codes where you can report an issue whether it be with um folks not complying with park rules or a broken sprinkler um dogs off leash what have you so those qr codes will be available for those reports and then code enforcement and rso of course will be present in the parks as they normally are to enforce the rules thank you i appreciate that you're welcome anybody care for discussion or direction or anything i was just going to say we are we did discuss this issue in depth in case the public is wondering why we're basically ready to approve this so it's it i believe we have fully vetted it and we're going to give it a chance all right we'll see no further discussion i'll entertain a motion move second council member harnick yes council member moreno yes council member nascandi yes mayor pertumb perdetto yes mayor truby yes motion passes five to zero terrific thank you thank you sean on item 15 public hearings the public may comment on individual public hearing items within the three minute time limit the applicant and appellant will be provided with up to 10 minutes to make their presentations following public testimony the appellant and applicant will be given an opportunity to offer rebuttal comments for up to three additional minutes and we're going to start with item 15a introduce an ordinance amending title 25 of the palm desert municipal code to reestablish golf cart and neighborhood electric vehicle sales as a distinct land use classification and we'll have a staff staff report good evening mayor and members of the city council c fernandez senior planner with development services here to present on this item the city council c fernandez senior planner with the city council c fernandez senior planner with the city council c fernandez senior planner with the city council c fernandez senior planner with the city council c fernandez and downtown districts this is in order to reestablish a use that was previously established so just a little bit of background this was previously approved back in 2023 which created a development standards for this type of use and provided provisions as far as how this use was going to be regulated inadvertently it was removed in 2024 it was later identified by staff that there was an inconsistency within the code so now that we're bringing it back we're looking at introducing golf cart sales and as an indoor use through a staff level decision in our planned commercial areas and in our service industrial areas we're also looking at bringing back the outdoor triggering a conditional use within our service industrial zone so as part of this staff identified some items that were they could be seen as barriers as far as not allowing this use within certain zones or within certain criteria since the development standards that were originally introduced provided some challenges and some barriers so in order to be more business friendly we're also proposing removing some of the requirements and these photos are just some examples of some businesses that are no longer there and that could potentially utilize this type of use the only thing is if the code is the way that it's currently written it would be prohibitive and cost costly in order to be able to establish the use at these locations primarily the the two provisions that we're removing is that it needs to be on a primary frontage also to the requirement for glazing so it requires a significant amount of glazing which are good planning principles but is prohibitive to establishing a business also too we're looking at the parking standard i know as far as some of the conversations that staff has had with applicants councilmember i'm sorry to interrupt when you talk about glazing could you be more specific please sure you're the pro i'm just trying to keep up with so as of right now um one of the requirements is that streets facing facades shall have transparent glazing so glass um for the display areas um the transparent windows or doors shall be provided for at least 75 percent of the building wall area located between two and a half feet and eight feet so as an example um big five no longer there in order for them to occupy this space they would have to add a significant amount of of glass which obviously would enhance the building but at the same time could be cost prohibitive and it it just they would need to change the orientation of the entire building so it would be a pretty significant lift in order to be able to establish the use there similar to saksmith avenue um they do have glazing along the frontage is just it still doesn't meet that standard and requirement as the way that the code is written so then similar to big five they would have to make a significant amount of modifications to the building in order to be able to establish the use no problem um also too we were looking at parking i know typically for this type of use we've been seeing a lot of demand in our service industrial areas currently the way that the parking standard stands it requires a three per 1000 parking count which it can be challenging within our service industrial areas where parking is established that typically around two per 1000 so we're what we're looking at doing is establishing an individual parking standard for this use to be able to allow for these uses and as part of that we still review it through the administrative use permit which is a staff level decision so we can still evaluate parking on a case-by-case basis as far as public notification this went out to the desert sun 20 days as required by state law we haven't received any opposition to the zoning ordinance amendment i know we have had some discussions with some business owners who are interested in potentially moving to the city of palm desert and as far as far as what we've heard so far as that they are in support of the change also to this went to planning commission and they also recommended unanimous approval so staff's recommendation is that city council approve an ordinance establishing and amending the applicable municipal code sections and re-establishing golf cart and ev sales and determine that the action is not subject to sequa or alternatively is exempt persons to state guidelines that concludes staff's presentation perfect thank you mr fernandez at this time i will open the public hearing i don't have any blue speaker cards are there any online comments no online comments okay then i will close the public hearing and open up for questions for my colleagues any questions all right any discussion sorry i do have a question i needed to to click and make notes um for the image of of big five in saying that it would require more windows and a lot of a lot of change is there a guideline of of how much of that glazing has to be put in place um is that part of objective standards or what's the determination as far as how much changes would need to happen at a building we're encouraging someone to occupy so for in order for a use to uh with our current standards to establish at the big five location they would have to change the orientation of the building facing highway 111 um as far as the glazing it's that 75 percent requirement from that two and a half feet to the eight feet so and you can't have more than 20 feet of expanse area that is devoid of of glazing so it would be a pretty significant lift in order to be able to establish the use there okay thank you i appreciate that that's it so i have more questions yeah so on the on the heels of of what council member moreno just said so we're suggesting help me out here because i am i'm struggling sure um so you're suggesting we won't ask them to have that glazing the way that the code is being proposed is that it wouldn't be a requirement in the event that the business owner wanted to come in and make modifications to the building that would go through our design review process it's just as far as it being a strict requirement that they have to provide that amount of glazing it that's what we're proposing okay and so often the amount of glazing has to do with public safety and have we talked to you know any of our business teams the sheriff's business teams and things like that because so often it's what what can they see in there okay yeah um not to my knowledge okay you know i i'm i'm hesitant with this because we're saying now we had this standard in place yeah it would be a significant lift there's no question and i and i get that but is it an important lift for the integrity of the shopping center and the character of what we're trying to convey and safety so those are my questions and i i know that that's that's no easy answer but it's it's my hesitancy and and my question well sure so what we're being asked to do with this action item is that this amendment is to establish a tailored parking standard for golf cart and nev sales and also staff is asking us to remove references and requirements that these uses be oriented in fronting major public streets and removing the requirement that street facing facades have transparent glazing and it went to the planning commission and they approved staff's recommendation unanimously and so we're really being asked to just clarify this this this ordinance as well it's more of a technical clerical discussion so i'm ready to approve staff's recommendation okay more questions from councilmember hornick i i'm trying to understand the great advantage of taking away the requirements we've had in past has have there been requests for it so typically the way that when we receive inquiries we send them the section of the code and identify what the requirements would be in order for them to establish the use and typically for this type of use when we send them the requirements then they typically don't come back let's see i can't help but think that we need to run this by our public safety i mean there's part of the reason we have the the glass that's exposed to the street is for safety reasons you know when it's concealed from the street all sorts of shenanigans can happen so i'm just hesitant about that i i think there was a good reason for it and i don't know um have we looked at that should we look at that and these are authentic questions and if i may interject we can certainly uh continue the item we can get some clearance and then we can come back with it if it's if it's the wish of the of the council and that way we can be clear on any of the requirements from sheriff okay are there is there any sense of urgency on this particular item at this time uh for this it would just be to clarify and and provide there's no one who's saying right now but i want that building if i didn't have to comply with your standards we have received interest but nothing um no no type of application has come in thank you could i follow up on that i thought we had a golf cart operator that's whose lease is up wanting to relocate and time was of the essence so i know we have received inquiries but as far as an application we haven't received an application so any type of formal application hasn't come in so this item is for you because there was a request for action to review our ordinance a few months ago and so staff has gone through the process to clarify and understand the items that were inadvertently removed before and so this is why it's before you today could the question be answered that council member harning has about safety right now i'll defer to rosie if i can add one more additional context and um since i was here during the 2023 original ordinance and why that actually why the requirement came about um about the glass window when staff was developing the that original ordinance and standard it was more about the visibility into the store for um marketing purposes per se and and making and trying to make or trying to orient these businesses because at the time it was mostly off of frontages um and it was as we looked at it it was more restrictive in nature and what it was doing we didn't look at it um we didn't get comments or look at it from that the safety angle it was really from you know the visibility angle because we were not because we were saying we aren't going to allow golf cart sales um in some of these planned commercial areas to be outdoors it's only going to be indoor ones and so the way to maybe um still create a visible nature is to add more window more glazing now as we um looked at it in practicality i see he mentioned a lot of applicants weren't able to do that additionally a lot of our um when buildings are originally built or any revisions go through our design review process where our arc is huge on glazing for many different reasons and and trying to see the visibility from it so it's kind of a long way of saying that the original intent of that requirement was more about the visibility from a little more of a marketing purposes i guess to to see the golf carts and because a lot of these businesses we thought at the time would want a lot more of that and then as we got more feedback um you know it became prohibitive to repurpose some of these buildings okay i and i know i know you're waiting i just have an additional comment and i i know we're looking at it marketing but that's doesn't mean we shouldn't have also been looking at it from the safety uh aspect and if we can continue it to get a full and robust feedback on this policy i think it's important and if one person is moving one person is moving and that's important but should not drive policy that comes up it should be well thought out that it serves the entire community well and i think it's worth i believe it's worth just let's look at it completely from every angle let's do a 360 on this and make sure we're doing the right thing maybe the planning commission didn't think about that and that's why it comes to us well my only other comment is that we've we've had this issue for a few months already and it would have been wonderful to have had this looked into by now but it most certainly would have but we haven't we've had it for a few months so let's continue it and let's do it right we our community deserves that mayor pro tem staff for instance the big five building is a retail use any other retailer moves in they would not have to change the glazing correct that is correct this was a specific development standard for this particular type of use so any other operator retail they wouldn't be subject to these standards and so the discussion we're having is essentially treating golf cart sales as a normal retail use so it's still it's not just general retail because it would it wouldn't require an administrative use permit which is our staff level decision so it's a little bit more distinct so that way we were able to come up with conditions of approval so that way we can try to regulate and prevent any potential issues that we may see with the the proposed use cannabis gun sales neither one of them have to comply with glazing for safety reasons no councilman harnick is there anything that is particular to the golf cart sales that triggers your concern for safety above some other uses that we don't require that it's not only the golf cart but it is in general we've asked for glazing we've asked for certain things and now we're saying but maybe not and i think we need to look at it i would appreciate a more comprehensive review of this policy before we we bite the ones you know what it takes to reverse a policy staff what other retail or similar uses to golf carts require the glazing to the same standard as the golf carts so the golf cart standard is unique it it stands on its own okay thank you mayor may i absolutely council member moreno i agree with uh council member harnick that we need to take our time and do it right and that there's a very big difference in looking at this from the marketing perspective from the public safety um elements and we do want to accommodate new business but i think that we need to do this carefully and if we're changing an entire segment to treat one category as very um in a whole different way i don't think that we are doing our due diligence to make sure that we make the best decisions if we're making this change for one and i'm thinking if this were to create any safety issues that are even unintended not just theft for example if my understanding is there would need to be more windows facing uh the street if did i understand that correctly and if that's the case doesn't that mean that there's potential for somebody to end up running through their window i mean if we're looking at all of the all of the businesses that are there on 111 where you've got the um olive garden and red lobster and the cosmetology school there's no windows there and where it may be something people want windows i think we're looking at it as the additional public safety element not just from from theft um but i i do concur that there's nothing that's holding us to make that decision today um good data equals good decision making and i would um support tabling this or if that's my if i can make the motion to table this for a later date with better information all right council member harnick thank you mayor i i have some more questions by the way we have a motion just if anybody wants a second just so we know but of course after questions uh so are we help me out here are we saying now our golf we can have electric vehicle and golf car sales are we lifting it so we can have them and and i'm and i apologize i'm looking through here and i'm a little lost uh anywhere in the city are we lifting that so that i mean i i got thrown off by the off fifth photo are we saying we would have them there so or is that just an example of glazing no so as far as the way that the code is established right now it is a provision within our downtown district so in the sacks fifth avenue example not saying that we have anyone that's interested in that location but um as an example that's not facing me the primary frontage the primary frontage is 111 versus san pablo the building faces san pablo so it wouldn't meet that provision also too as far as the glazing it does have a good amount of glazing in front of it on the left side but on the right side it doesn't meet that provision so it also wouldn't meet that standard so we if someone was interested in that location currently it would be an administrative staff level decision but we wouldn't be able to approve it so they could though if the if they went to you and that location would be acceptable for golf car sales with the correct use permit yes as it stands today the answer would be no okay any other questions or i did anybody care to second councilmember moreno's motion to table with uh further sounds like further research into the safety provisions or the glazing requirements if if i would add well i'm not going to add a friendly amendment what i am going to do is offer another uh i am satisfied and i would offer another motion that we move as presented i will second that motion move as presented okay so for the record uh the motion from uh councilmember moreno dies for lack of second and on the motion to move forward um as staff presented councilmember harnick yes uh councilmember moreno may councilmember nestandy yes mayor pertin perdetto yes mayor truby yes motion passes four to one we have one quick second thank you very much for answering all my questions and helping me yeah thank you mr fernandez appreciate that okay on to item 15b resolutions related to the option of the fiscal year 26 20 20 20 27 financial plan and capital improvement program looking for a staff report mayor can we take a quick break since i know the budget is usually takes a little bit more time would that be okay i am okay with that joe is ready to stand up and stretch it out uh c might be actually nice and quick okay let's take a break yeah thank you we'll say 10 minutes if that's okay come back 5 35 that's perfect thank you thank you uh um um um um um um um um um uh um um um um uh um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um Thank you. 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I beg your pardon. I need to conduct the protest hearing. Oh, I beg your pardon. I'm sorry. No problem. The city has received 24 protest letters, which does not constitute a majority protest. And the city council may proceed with consideration of the rate adjustment. Perfect. Thank you so much. Appreciate that. Okay. I'm going to open it up for my colleagues. Comments? Comments? Questions first of staff if there are any. No? No questions? Any comments from my colleagues? Thank you. I do have a comment. I realize there's an increase. And I don't know where in our lives there isn't an increase. And this is very reasonable. And especially considering the service that Burt Tech gives us all. We're still the lowest in the valley. We're always lower than everyone else. And that's partly because of what Palm Desert does. And it's a whole lot because of what Burt Tech does. Their service is exemplary. And, you know, as we all know when we have large pieces of furniture all we have to do is call them. And they tell us what day they're picking them up. And they pick it up. And we don't, you know, we don't have to sort out everything. We have different bins for each item. And the service is worth it. It is one of those great deals we get. And I support this without question. Council Member Sandy. Was that a motion? Actually, I have one comment. I will say I use Burt Tech for commercial and residential. And in both cases they're outstanding, terrific. I second Mayor Harnick's comment. In fact, I know the driver buddy. He, I mean, takes something as simple as trash service and makes it a customer service experience. It's incredible. So I will definitely make a motion to approve. If I may. Oh, beg your pardon. Council Member Moreno. I'm sorry. No worries. I concur. I concur that everything is the costs are increasing. Our demands of the planet are increasing. Our demand of the landfill as much as we're trying to work on the 1383 landfill reduction. We are generating more waste. And it does take a responsive partner that is a, that creates that community trust and that community impact. And for example, I know that my nieces and nephew, their favorite day of the week. My niece and nephew's favorite day of the week is the day that Burt Tech rolls through and they wait outside and they wait for the honk. And that's what makes their week. They're, they're littles. They're little people out there and they appreciate that when anybody else could just drive by and keep doing their business. So I appreciate knowing that on a, on a personal level, they're not just providing a service that they're being paid for. They do it with a smile and engage the community. So I, I concur that we're receiving great services. I'll move the item. I will second. Council member Harney. Yes. Council member Moreno. Yes. Council member Nistandy. Yes. Mayor Portemperdetto. Yes. Mayor Truby. Yes. Terrific. Thank you. Okay. On to item 15B resolutions related to the adoption of the fiscal year 26, 2026, 2027 financial plan with capital improvement programs staff report. Good afternoon, honorable mayor members of the city council, Veronica Chavez, your director of finance. And I'm here with sky Wolkovitz, your budget analyst. As you will recall this year, our theme was about balance. And that's not that we don't balance in other years, but it is that this year, it took a little more effort. And much of that was at the hands of Ms. Wolkovitz, who played a huge part in taking on some of the heavy lifting this year. And so she will be presenting the budget for you today. But what I did want to share with you was the efforts we made in community engagement. Each year with budget, we like to improve it just a little bit more than we did the prior year. And so while we always meet our community engagement requirements, this year we kicked it up a step. And we used the Civic Academy as an opportunity to do a budget challenge. And what we did was we gave them a budget and had limited resources and asked them to take the different budget categories and fund them according to the limited resources they had and make, you know, very difficult decisions with that. It was very engaging. They enjoyed themselves. They had a difficult time. They recognized the difficulty in making decisions and cuts and the tradeoffs that comes with that. And so it was a really great exercise and we enjoyed it. We intend to do it again and create budget savvy residents. And I just want to thank my favorite critique, Anthony, for helping me up the ante on it because I was going to make it really easy. And he said, no, we can challenge him a little bit more. And so it came out to be a really great exercise. And so with that, I will hand it over to Skye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, Mayor, members of City Council, Skye Wilcox, Budget Analyst in the Finance Department. Before we get into numbers, I want to start with the priorities that guided the budget. Each year, Council establishes a set of goals and those goals serve as the policy framework for the budget. This year's goals include mall redevelopment and family friendly activation, citywide economic activation and events, North Palm Desert and University Area Development, community resilience and climate strategy, clean, safe and attractive city standards, and community engagement and city identity. With those goals in mind, staff developed the fiscal year 26-27 financial plan to align available resources with those priorities. The proposed budget and 10-year CIP were reviewed in detail at the May 14th study session. This budget continues the city's commitment to public safety, economic development, infrastructure, and long-term financial stability. We now provide a high-level overview of the general fund, which supports the city's core operations and services. The general fund budget is balanced with estimated revenue of about $112.6 million and projected expenditures of about $112.6 million. The budget projects a modest surplus of $69,000 with no use of reserves for operations. Next, we're going to look at general fund revenue and what's coming in -- sorry. Where the revenue is coming from and what is driving the change from prior year. General fund revenue is estimated to increase by about 3% over prior year. The increase is mainly driven by a modest growth in measure G sales tax and transit occupancy tax. The city continues to rely on a diverse mix of revenue sources including sales tax, district tax, TOT, also known as transit occupancy tax, short-term rentals, property tax, franchise fees, permits, and other revenues. Now that we covered projected revenues, the next slide shows how those dollars are allocated across city services. General fund expenditures are also increasing by about 3%. Primary cost drivers include public safety, personnel services, and the implementation of measure G funded priorities. The budget maintains current service levels while supporting growth related demands and council directive initiatives. A major part of this budget is measure G. So the next slide highlights how those funds are being implemented. Fiscal year 26-27 is the third year of measure G sales tax revenue. Funds are allocated according to the adopted five-year spending plan. Measure G supports public safety, facility improvements, North Palm Desert infrastructure, parks, and public work staffing. The allocation reflects both immediate service needs and long-term infrastructure priorities. Measure G is only one component, one important funding source for capital needs. The next slide broadens the view to the full capital improvement plan. The proposed fiscal year 26-27 CIP totals 76.4 million. Key projects include fire station improvements, the Palm Desert Library construction, Dave Irwin Park, public facility upgrades, and infrastructure that supports city council priorities. Public safety is one of the largest investment areas. Public safety is one of the largest investment areas. So the next slide breaks down those costs. Total public safety costs are 60.61 million. The general fund share is 36.65 million, which represents about 30% of the general fund budget. The budget supports police services, community safety, county EMS, fire service operations, and related capital and equipment needs. In addition to general fund, the city manages several restricted or special purpose funds, which are summarized next. Other funds are generally restricted or set aside for specific purposes. The total budget across these funds is 151.9 million. Using restricted funds appropriately helps protect the general fund and ensures compliance with funding requirements. The next slide addresses the state appropriations limit, which is a legal requirement calculation. The appropriations limit is the state imposed spending cap. For 26-27, the calculated limit is 201.76 million. Budgeted appropriations are 112.6, which is well within the legal limit. The budget is also being asked to consider the staffing resolution and out-of-state travel memo. The staffing resolution identifies the fiscal year 26-27 salary schedule, classification groups, and all allocated positions. The out-of-state travel memo included in your package lists intended travel for fiscal year. That must be approved by council in a public meeting. Taken together, these components support the overall fiscal year 26-27 budget summary. Overall, the budget is balanced, includes a small projected surplus, does not use reserves for operations, and allies with council 2026 goals. The estimated year-end fund balance is about 120 million, with a required reserve of about 70.1 million. Measure G is fully allocated per plan and will continue to be reviewed quarterly by the Finance Committee. With that summary in mind, staff is bringing forward the following recommendations for council's consideration. Staff recommends opening the public hearing and approving the resolutions presented to you today, as well as the out-of-state travel memo. Staff will return at a later date with a study session item on potential financing options for major projects, while maintaining operations and managing reserve impacts. And that concludes the budget presentation. And I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you very much. I will now open the public hearing. I see no blue speaker cards. Are there any online comments? No online comments. Very good, thank you. I will now close the public hearing in that case and turn it over to my colleagues. If they have any questions of staff. Council member Moreno. Wow. I appreciate that you know I do have questions. My first question is presenting at the Civic Academy. Is that considered an official outreach session? I'm wondering in terms of I thought that our public information sessions are to be open to the public. I'm wondering if having this presented through the Civic Academy would make people feel like they couldn't participate. Were they notified? I'm just wanting to be sure how to interpret using the Civic Academy. So as far as the public outreach that is what we use the study session for. And typically that's how we address that requirement. The Civic Academy was an opportunity to use that format for the first time. And we can certainly send that out further in future years. But we wanted to test it out and see how effective it could be. In terms of how many public sessions are we required to have? We're just required to have. We're just required to have public outreach. So there's not a number designated. And so we do use the study session. We use the advertisement in the notice in the paper that covers the requirement. And was this. Could anybody just learn that that's what was going on with the Civic Academy that day. Could they pop in and participate or are events for the Civic Academy. Or the Civic Academy limited to participants in the Civic Academy. I am not as familiar with how the Civic Academy program works. This was what we typically do is we give them a budget 101 session. And so we added this as a component to the budget 101. Got it. I do have a few more questions, but I'll let my colleagues. Get their questions while I merge questions. Actually, I want to piggyback on Council Member Moreno. The exercise you did at the Civic Academy was like theoretical. It wasn't real numbers that we actually have in our budget. Not at all. They were points. So we gave them a hundred points and we, you know, assigned each category a number of points. It really was an exercise. It wasn't real money or anything like that. Okay. Cool. Thank you. Any other questions from my colleagues? Mayor Pro Tem. When we had the study session, we were presented with similar top line numbers. And since then we gave direction to support potentially the Paralympic surf event, Palm Springs life. Yet the top line numbers didn't change. Do you guys find money for those in there? Maybe I missed it. Are those in this budget? No, they are being currently funded by fiscal year 25, 26 funds. So this fiscal year? Yes. Even though there are future events for increases. So the surf event would be funded out of this fiscal year that we're currently in? The Paralympic, the way it was brought was to use funds that were available from 25, 26 budget. And what we will do is carry them over to 26, 27. The money for what was the other? The food and wine. Yeah. That was included in the budget. Okay. And kind of a question. In the last item, I could find out what every one of my neighbors' trash roll looks like. Last year, we had a lot more, we had a more robust budget to review, I believe. Am I missing something? Is this year different in the presentation? This is the typical packet we bring for the final approval. The robust packet you get is during the budget study session. And so all of the detailed numbers were in that packet. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. The robust packet that we're looking at is the last one. I mentioned that to begin with. Yes, you did. Yeah, I just wanted to be sure. I want to follow up on what Mayor Pro Tem mentioned that in the past we do get a comprehensive document where we can look at what we're looking at. And for example, this is the one for last year. I could not find anything similar to this. I spent I don't know how much time last night in looking for a comprehensive document where I could look year over year. I am a note taker. I like physical media to consume when I'm looking for this and I couldn't find it. And when I asked our city clerk, he sent me the link. But it's frustrating to think how much work it took to find it. In previous years, it was excellent that it could be found with one single click. And this time it took a lot more. And I understand that when we update our web pages, things move, things change. When you're on the finance page, if you scroll all the way to the bottom, it says the link for the city budget. It takes us to page not found. And again, we it's possible to get circular links and things get moved. But this was this was very frustrating. And I had residents that reached out and said, I'm trying to find out, for example, on public safety. And they sent me the screenshot that it didn't work on their mobile phone. And we know that it's important to get things optimized for mobile, even to be able to download a PDF or print from their phone onto their device. But I couldn't even print the document here in doing my typical control P, because that's the way that I print. It would only let me print one page at a time and a few of the categories and not even to not even one quarter of the categories that were there. And as we strive for transparency, it was frustrating that once Anthony gave me the link, it's required 16 steps. 16 steps to get to that. And as we've mentioned, when it when we are asking someone to do more than three, four or five clicks, they're going to give up. And it was very inconvenient to have to look for the clerk website, then a drop down menu for online records. Click the public reports portal. Find the new page for public records. Click browse. Find city clerk. Click the budget. Scroll to find the year. But then we can't link as before. Before we could go to the table of contents, we could click the item and it would take you to that page. And here you had to scroll. For example, I was asked to look at animal services. It was page 77. But I still had to keep scrolling till page 90 out of 146 to get to that area. The challenges of trying to get what was presented in May, even in May, it's a series of of attachments. The May 14th study session was 14 separate attachments when in previous years we've had everything in one place. And that's very unfortunate to ask our residents. I'm sorry you had such a hard time finding it. But when even we as council members are looking to be able to make the best decisions, it's very frustrating. It's very frustrating. And it's hard to bring this up when I always tell folks we've got such great staff. Our staff is very diligent. But this is difficult to find. It's not mobile friendly. It's certainly not ADA compliant. And when we tell people that transparency is one of those benchmarks of what we ask for, this doesn't feel that way. This doesn't feel that way at all. And we need to do better to provide consistency in the services. It's I'm just wondering what led to going from a system that made things very easy to understand with everything in one clear place to find it to now a bunch of attachments and summaries that don't allow us to extrapolate to truly be able to ask the questions. Okay, so I don't know if that's a question for Veronica or somebody from IT. I can speak to a portion of it. I did appreciate Council Member Marino bringing that to my attention today. As far as the cleanup and how that was done, I have no, you know, understanding of that piece because I know it's ADA related. So, up until her pointing that out, I did not know that all of our budgets had been scrubbed. And so staff has been directed to add the last three years back up there so that they are easily accessed. But I do understand that it's part of the ADA requirements with regards to those. Yeah, just quickly, you know, and not to make excuses, we can certainly do better. But the prior budgets were removed from the website when the city was redoing the website to comply with WCAG requirements, which is website content accessibility guidelines, which were established by the federal government. And that requires PDFs to be fully accessible for screen readers. And because these budget documents are so large, they were removed from the website in order to comply and moved into the city's permanent repository, which is the LaserFish web portal. And so through that web portal, yes, if you are hitting print on a page by page, it does that. But if you download the document, then it will come out as a PDF and you can print it in full. But we acknowledge the fact that we can always do better and we will. Can I request that we we have both? Can I request what what we are used to, to have that ability to click and find and direct folks? Because again, that makes it easier for us to get that for our residents to access and have the separate link for the ADA compliant version. So anybody that needs to access it in that direction is able to. I think that we can continue to provide the level of service and quality that we have done in the past and just have them side by side. So that was one of the big frustration issues that I had. And in terms of specific questions, one of the residents brought it to my attention that we're showing a 1.56 million contingency fund, whereas 2526, the allocation was zero and 2425, it was 85,000. Is there any any context of of what that is? And I wish I could tell you it's on page X so we could all be on the same page, but I don't know where I found that before. It's just the account. You can answer it. So the 1.5, if you're speaking on the public safety budget, the police budget, is that correct? So that was established because when we originally got the request from the police department from RSO, we noticed that they weren't in line with actuals, but we still wanted to leave that capability. So if they did come in a little bit higher, we have the flexibility to address those needs. So that was established just as a safety point to make sure we we can address that. So the 85 K from 2425, were those the actuals? Those were actual contingency funds. Okay. And then this year there was no request. So but we did establish that we should have some sort of contingency. So that was the reason for that 1.5. Okay, the my question that I'm still trying to figure out is how if we have an 85,000 contingency that wasn't used and of course, we're glad that there wasn't a need for it that nothing happened in the city that required that. But if if our public service of our public safety partners didn't request that, how did 1.56 become the figure to go from 85,000 to 1.56 million? So the original request from RSO was, I don't want to say this wrong, I believe it was 32.4 million. And when we started to evaluate all of the actuals that they were spending over the course of five years, we brought that number down to a more realistic like an average number to the 30 million. But city manager to decide that we should have a contingency in place to ensure if those costs did hit the request that they made, we were able to to have the funds available for them. And just to add on that, we did not want to bring it to the actual actual given our priority of public safety. But that contingency allows us to use it across the entire police budget as either demands change or police department requests more or costs come in higher. And just to add to that in prior years, we budgeted police differently, completely differently. Since then, staff has requested that items are itemized more versus everything being dropped into one budget so that they can really keep track of the cost as they come through. So if we have any additional insight on that, if that would be helpful, like I said right now, I was approached on animal services and public safety. And that's where I honed in on getting more info. Other than that, that's the extent of my questions. Other than that, I would like to ask questions. Very good. Any other colleagues have questions? Okay. I'm going to just clarify. We have the technical issues acknowledged. Staff is on it. We're going to address it for next year. Perfect. Okay. Very good. Any other comments from my colleagues? All right. Well, then I will entertain a motion. I will thank staff for their hard efforts and approve the motion. Second. Council Member Harnick. Yes. Council Member Moreno. Yes. Council Member Nostandi. Yes. Mayor Portemperdetto. Yes. Mayor Truby. Yes. Motion passes, 5-0. All right. On to item 16, which is no further business, we are hereby officially adjourned. I will be adjourned. Thank you, everyone. Have a happy, safe 4th of July. Hydrate. Recording stop. Thank you.

A roll call. Committee Member Mercuse. Is here. Committee Member McCune. Here. Committee Member McLeod. Here. Committee Member Mortensen. Here. Committee Member Toltzman. Here. And Acting Chair Houskine. We have a quorum. Number three, non-agenda public comments. This time has been set aside for the public to address the committee on issues that are not on the agenda for up to three minutes. Because the Brown Act does not allow the committee to act on items not listed on the agenda, members may briefly respond or refer the matter to staff for a report and recommendation at a future meeting. Do we have anyone here or online that has a public comment for something not on our agenda today? If you're joining us online and would like to provide non-agenda public comment, please use the raise hand function at the bottom of your screen or press star nine to join by phone. Okay. Seeing nobody will move on. Okay. I think it locked me out again. I think it locked me out again. I don't know what I do. I don't know what I do. You touch it. It's fine. Thanks. Thanks. So the consent calendar, the only item on it, the approval of the minutes has been pulled by staff. So there's nothing on the consent calendar for us to consent to five business items. None. Moving on to the public hearings. 6a consideration of a recommendation of the city council to designate 47, 550 silver spur trail as a landmark recommendation from the city. Make findings to adopt the resolution to designate the property, et cetera, et cetera. The public hearing would still be open from last time. I believe we didn't close the public hearing last time because we continue the item. So I know we had a staff report. We have a staff presentation. We do. Good morning committee members. My name is Bobby Keating, associate planner in the development services department. Today I'll be presenting case number CRPC 25-003, an application for historic landmark designation of the property located at 47550 silver spur trail. Uh, the applicant and property owner, Karina Morrison submitted a request to designate the property located at 47550 silver spur trail as a local historic landmark. The property is currently improved as a single family residence constructed in 1956 and identified by assessor parcels. Assessor's parcel number 630250 046. This application was previously presented to the historic preservation committee on April 22nd, 2026, at which time the committee voted to continue the item to today's hearing in order to review additional documentation of the property's existing condition and alterations over time. The committee's role today is to consider whether the property meets one or more of the city's six landmark designation criteria and to consider recommendation to the city council for final approval. 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The subject of the city council for final approval. does not result in a direct or reasonably foreseeable physical change to the environment and does not constitute a project as defined by sequa based on upon the analysis presented by staff staff recommends that the committee first make findings and recommend that the city council adopt a resolution designating the property located at four seven five five zero silver spur trail as a local historic landmark pursuant to criteria a and c of section 29.40.010 of the palm desert municipal code and second find the project exempt from the california environmental quality act pursuant to sections 15060 c2 and 15060 c3 and this concludes staff's presentation i'm available for your questions does anyone have a question for mr keating before we let the applicant speak um so so i'm looking at this this building has gone through substantial renovation what percentage of this do you think is original what's left of this building that's original because i don't see hardly anything um so as mentioned the staff report uh there are a number of architectural defining features that remain intact so it maintains its single-story form it's low horizontal massing it's clay tile roof it's deep overhangs wrap around veranda indoor outdoor relationships stonewall and fireplace and posting people so so the roof is not original it originally had a shake roof so that does not count as a as an original feature that is a renovation element it had a shake roof there's photos to prove it okay so you so you so you're just saying a number of features are original but you don't have a percentage there's not a clear line uh and there's no way to um calculate a percentage it's a sort of a holistic um analysis and based on staff's analysis we find it retains sufficient integrity to be designated any other questions i have a question um most people when they come to us uh they have not done substantial renovations prior to applying the fact that all the windows have been replaced with larger windows the board and batten siding is gone it's now stucco the you know you can restore tile back to shake like materials with concrete kings point did it they took their their concrete roof off and put on a fake cedar shake roof to keep it in the captor image um i i i i think this house is too far gone to even though it meets the two points that there's too many changes have been made to it prior to the because if they had for the application prior and then wanted to do a uh to do the remodel things afterwards and the house had already been designated it wouldn't have been allowed um so i'd you know like to just remind the committee that there are a number of criteria that a project a property could uh couldn't potentially make a property eligible for designation right um criterion c is the one most closely associated with you know original architectural features um criterion a is more based on its association with an event um being the early development of silver spur ranch and staff found it was still recognizable as that period of history got it but i'm just making my comments on what improvements that have been made versus the order they were done and how they wouldn't have happened otherwise thank you there are questions before so the applicants are with us i believe give you the chance to speak if you choose we did the renovations on the house uh before we even considered applying for this uh and it was only when we saw one of the other houses in our neighborhood had this designation that i said well and at that time i thought it was uh about how long the house had been there and i said our house has been here longer than that house so that's when i started looking into it so it wasn't something that we did intentionally not to follow protocol it was something that came about after and you know in terms of the the wood siding on the house that was more of a safety fire safety thing as we were doing the renovations we were trying to be practical more than anything and the tile roof was done back in the 90s that was not something we did the footing of the house has stayed the same when we originally uh looked at starting doing renovations the three contact contractors i brought in all suggested that we flatten the house that we completely destroy it and start over and i i believed that it had more to be remembered and that it should be remembered and so at that stage we did the renovations and i really considered them soft renovations because we kept the feeling of the house we kept um the idea of of what it was loved the wraparound and uh it's turned out to be we love it we love it and we're happy to be in the area okay comments by our committee i have a question i guess this one to what benefit does the city get for doing this kind of for a single house let's say i mean what is the benefit here um so the there's i guess no direct fiscal benefit just the city to um designate a property is historic but adding a property um to our registry of cultural resources uh further develops the city council's goal of uh safeguarding uh protecting and elevating the cultural history of the city so like there's never uh people don't really get to go see it or or anything like that and realize that it what significance it has for the city this is is it more to the benefit of the property owners because it does something gives them more benefit for if they want to sell it or something or i i don't know i'm just curious yeah i'm happy to clarify um so this historic designation doesn't um necessarily mean the property is available to the public most of the time these are private properties um and so they wouldn't be open to the public unless a property owner chooses to do so um so in terms of the property owner's benefit um in addition to sort of the perceived value of having your home designated historic and the property values associated with that uh they could potentially be eligible for the mills act program which is a property tax savings uh for properties that are designated that okay yeah and designation doesn't mean they're automatically enrolled in mills act that's a separate application process that happens after designation to to add to that there is the component and part of the review part of it is um um from the public view per se right so there there is a component of review of what is being protected from the public view whether it's on public street or public or or sidewalk as they view these properties that that is a review component and um being able to you know maintain some sort of cultural um and historical identity and integrity from that that that that is a public benefit per se so um i will say that i think one i think one of the issues with palm desert is that is that many cities who have robust historic uh programs have a two have at least a two-tiered system class one which is landmark and class two which is historic merit buildings palm desert has chosen not to do that this building could possibly be considered historic merit but i don't see it being considered a landmark with as much changes that have been made to it so um i think that that um palm desert should consider researching creating a tiered system because as more and more people want the glow of a historic building we're going to have more and more inappropriate applications and it's going to be harder and harder to say no to them because we've let these other ones other ones to buildings in so that's my viewpoint um um and i and i think it's i think it's valid i think that palm desert should consider uh uh researching a class tiered system but that's aside from what we're dealing with right this very yes yes yes but this is an example of why we need it anyone else have any comments for the benefit of our understanding well this house was originally built as a sales office for the division and after that sales office closed it was sold as a house so there had to be some kind of modifications to it to make it a house instead of a sales office and i think that you know it's never going to be back to the original look because it doesn't exist but i think there's enough to it that it should be okay to be have a landmark with the bill with the windows gone the roof the windows and the stanchions have been changed the exterior only vaguely it looks like it was it's been changed substantially if we let if we let buildings like this get landmarked then anything that was built can be can be landmarked frankly if this gets landmarked i'm going to immediately landmark my house because my house has been messed with substantially by previous owners and and that's why i and i have a named architect so i've never applied if this house passes i will apply because clearly palm desert doesn't care anyone else have comments they'd like to share i think it's from two people i think it's important that we go to a two-tiered system as well that we have the landmark and the for instance the henderson house that was on juniper street i think that wanted to go through with a four-page application you know it would qualify as historic historic but not landmark yeah well and the and the desert magazine building no the desert magazine building has been changed substantially so you know i mean i i you know yeah but that part of make sure to focus on this i know what what the guidelines are under currently but you hear what you're saying about about the other part thank you would the non-speakers that are done speaking press their little red buttons please i beg your pardon can you press your little red button off and look if you're done anyone else have any comments um my comment is you know we're all talking about what palm desert should do but it hasn't done okay but what we're talking about is what's happening right now with this project and i personally think that you know any project we can nitpick to death you know just nitpick it to death it never have anything passed so i think uh we should take this in consideration the city's gone through a lot to take a look at it they feel that it should have it and i think we should uh uh relax a little bit and uh because i think it'd be important to have that house up there just because it's one of the last things up there that was original even though it's been changed and um that's my opinion okay okay just just sec my turn to speak you you're all done and and i feel a lot of what a lot of you feel i think i agree with both of you on certain aspects and for me it's more like death by a thousand paper cuts if it was just one thing it was just another thing like it wasn't until our meeting today that i understood for sure that was stucco because i still don't think i saw that in the staff report or in the application that it is actually stucco on the sides i felt like the statement of significance from the applicant as well as the architectural description were not as detailed as i would have liked to see which which is going to lead to a question for staff later on our online application process i think it might be our fault um but so as far as like for you know landmark designation criteria c it's my opinion as well that it is again death by a thousand paper cuts there's just too much that's been changed and while it's delightful and i'm so happy you love the home that's great um but the larger windows the clerestory windows the fact that it's a bright white stucco which you had mentioned was originally you know the brown board and baton it's like oh it just doesn't really look like that sales office as much anymore um but going back to criteria a i could you know maybe be a little more convinced on that so we need a motion from somebody i want to know um if you can open public hearing actually we need public comment oh do we i thought we did i thought it was still open from last meeting oh okay okay yeah is there anyone online there is a comment online um i was not here at the last meeting so i just wanted to bring it to your attention if that is part of this process today we need to do that absolutely we should have asked before okay so is there an online person that would like to comment on this application carmen j please begin by stating your full name and you have three minutes thank you my name is carmen joseph and um i would like to comment in support of passing this project for historic designation i understand the tiered system is something that the city should be looking at i am a resident of silver spur branch and i would like to um see more historic designations in this neighborhood and throughout the city and i think rather it feels as an outsider feels like there's more of a nitpicking and trying to hinder people because um i understand the details yet this particular project is the same height the same shape the wrap-up the wrap-up the wrap-around porch all of the things that were mentioned in the staff report i think really need to be taken into consideration because we should want people to get this designation rather rather than making it such um a barrier to doing so while we are looking at these other issues in terms of a tiered designation which i also am in support of we recently had a cliff may torn down in our neighborhood and rather than the city being in support of carrying down something that was on the survey to you know allow for a a larger building that's not in keeping with this neighborhood doesn't make sense to me and i really think we should be rewarding people for even applying and really keeping in the spirit of our neighborhood of silver spur ranch and throughout the city thank you very much thank you any other online speakers i see none okay so do we help me staff do we close the public hearing before we oh yes absolutely the applicant our property was the site of a lot of filming for western movies because it was the only building there and behind it was just wide open land we have plenty of photographs to show that the changes to the house were not that i've heard this comment that they are you said substantial miss mccune mccune you said they they were substantial and you seem to infer that there's almost nothing left to the original structure of the house i strongly disagree with that comment and if you went to the house and had a look at it i think you'd have a different understanding and let me continue please the changing of the roof to roof tile roof tiles have been made by indians for centuries there is nothing sort of screamingly modern about the tiles that are on the roof now they were changed for safety reasons the roof was leaking the the changing on the on the wooden panels again that was a fire hazard that was changed for safety reasons the reason that the fact that the windows are a little bigger a little bigger you know doesn't detract from any of the structural shape and design of the house it simply just makes it a little more pleasant to live in the all the different perspectives the east west south north perspectives are consistent with the original design down the end of the property there is the structure stables where they used to have horses and those horses people used to ride those horses across before the living desert was created so there's a lot of historical feeling to the property so i do take great issue with your comment that you can barely recognize the place from the original structure um and i'd like you to rethink that please okay then obviously you don't want to listen to anybody else's opinion except your own which is very sad and i didn't know the house i've been to the house i watched it when were you at the house i don't think we need this is productive no i'd like i'd like to know that i'd like to know when you visited the house sir if i made a public comment it's not a back and forth individual commissioners do you provide public comment to the commission and it is up to them or to the chair running the meeting if they want to respond to any questions you provided your comment and i think it's clear i think it's it's if they had made any clarification on anything you're asking they they can follow up with that or what i think it's you provide your public comment and it's up to the individual commissioners whether or not they want to follow up or clarify anything you said but it is not a a back and forth question and answer between yourself and the commissioners at this time mr florist i have a right to question a very bold statement that miss mccune made saying she has been to the house isn't it fair to ask when you you have a right to pose questions to provide comment which you have and they've and they've they've listened it is not um they are not obligated to respond to said questions or they're not obligated to provide a back and forth i think it is um if it's not clear where where you stand or if they're not clear on something you said then it's up to them to be able to but but it is not a a back and forth so um i think you've said they could just make a statement that isn't substantiated they are able to speak about how they how they want to speak and then you have your process um if a decision is made today and something you disagree with there's other processes for you to take it forward elsewhere but for now you've given your public comment i've been able to provide your public comment it is up to them if they have any clarifying questions for you i think at this point there is no clarifying questions for you and so that that concludes that well i i just find it very interesting that since we've owned the house we we have not seen this person on our property and there were no changes made um prior to us moving in uh because the two old ladies who lived there for 60 years didn't make any changes uh other than repairing the roof um so it's a very interesting comment that miss mccune says she's been to the property and seen all these changes um that's what i question okay noted okay thank you so did anyone have any questions any other questions for the applicant based on anything they've just heard no okay so we're closing the public hearing and we need a motion from somebody regarding this property i i either yeah whether whether to recommend yeah what staff's recommending or i make a motion that we um accept what the staff has prepared and we should vote on that okay do we have a second i'll second you we have a motion and a second can we do a roll call vote committee member mortensen yes committee member mccloud yes committee member toltzman no committee member mccune no committee member marcuse no acting chair housekin no motion fails for two okay and again i was gonna a lot of the same comments i've already heard and i was gonna bring them up later under our our you know request for action from city staff so i guess that would be the more appropriate time to discuss you know the tier two system things like that because i think you know this would be a candidate for that correct okay moving on we have another public hearing 6b consideration of a recommendation to the city council to designate 73 411 bursera way as a landmark recommendation from staff is to make findings recommend that the city council adopt a resolution designating the property located at 73 411 bursera way as a landmark pursuant to criteria c and f of palm desert municipal code section 2940 010 and two to find that it is not subject to sequo so we had a staff report i mean yes do we have a staff presentation yes we do uh again for the record bobby keating associate planner with development services department presenting case number crpc 26-008 request for historic landmark designation of 73411 bursera way are having some technical difficulty with the presentation like frozen um um um um uh property owner uh alan serba is requesting landmark designation of the residence located at 73411 bursera way uh the committee's role today is to consider recommendation to the city council to designate the subject property as a landmark this property is located on the south side of bursera way between a desert lily drive and purslane street it's a single-family residence situated within an established residential neighborhood developed during palm desert's early post-war growth period to understand the significance of this property it's important to place it within the palm desert's broader history the city's historic context statement identifies the years uh between 1957 through 1966 as the period of diversified development following the liquidation of palm the palm desert corporation's holdings in 1956 residential development accelerated and new builders began shaping the community modern architecture remained the dominant design language during this period this residence reflects that transition from the original desert palm desert corporation era to a more diversified pattern of residential growth uh the residence was constructed between 1957 and 1958 by roberts construction company it represents an early example of palm desert's post-pdc residential expansion and embodies many characteristics associated with desert modern architecture staff finds that the property remains representative of this period and retains many of the features that convey its historic the residence exhibits a number of character the residence exhibits a number of character defining features associated with mid-century modern and desert modern architecture these include the low horizontal form the flat roof and roof projections clear story glazing floor to ceiling glass aluminum frame sliding doors stone veneer accents white stucco wall planes and the strong indoor outdoor relationship that is characteristic of desert residential design together these features contribute to the building's architectural significance in addition to significance the municipal code requires that a property retain integrity staff finds that the residence retains integrity of location design setting materials workmanship feeling and association the spatial relationships between the residents carport patios pool and landscaping remain evident and continues to convey the character of a 1950s palm desert modern residence while minor alterations have occurred over time staff finds they do not substantially impair the property's significance staff finds that the property satisfies criterion c which recognizes resources that embody distinctive characteristics of a style type period or method of construction this residence represents a substantially intact example of palm of desert modern architecture adapted to the coachella valley climate features such as the low horizontal massing broad roof projections clear story windows sliding glass walls and the integration of indoor and outdoor spaces all support this finding staff also finds that the property satisfies criterion f which recognizes resources that reflect significant community planning and development patterns the house was constructed at the outset of palm desert's diversified development period and illustrates the transition from a planned resort community into a broader residential community shaped by multiple builders and developers and that respect the property reflects an important phase of palm desert's growth and evolution public notice for this hearing was provided in accordance with the palm desert municipal code no public comments have been received the proposed designation is exempt from the california environmental quality act pursuant to sections 15060 c2 and 15060 c3 as it does not result in a direct or reasonably foreseeable physical change to the environment and does not constitute a project as defined by CEQA based on this analysis staff recommends that the historic preservation committee first make the findings and recommend that the city council designate the property located at 73411 as a local historic landmark pursuant to criteria c and f of section 29.40.010 of the palm desert municipal code and second find the project exempt from the california environmental quality act pursuant to sections 15060 c2 and 15060 c3 this concludes staff's presentation and available for your questions any questions for staff i do have a question for staff and it's kind of i was going to follow it up with our our comments later at the end of the meeting but i i feel like we've been getting applications that are somewhat incomplete and to me the portion that was done by the applicant was incomplete and i'm just curious because i feel like maybe it's on our you know it's on us um when we transition to the online application but i feel like when i look at you know our old school pen and paper you know or fill it in i feel like we're missing elements of it and then we always have the section you know that describe how to write an architectural description you know you know you know you know what is the siding of the building what is the foundation made of these are the questions that weren't answered in anything that i read and then moving on to the architectural description i mean the statement of significance i didn't see where the applicant was applying under the letter the applicant was applying under certain criteria what letter they were seeking designation from so was that a portion of their application i missed or is that something not asked for now online um so as we are um onboarding the application process into the new permit portal we are continually adding fields that you know existed in the paper applications the application that was submitted online was attached to the staff report and does require a project narrative the details of that narrative i believe are missing from the application online application so as we continue to update this new software these are descriptions that should be added sorry so um so you're saying they weren't they weren't even able to review the like you know we have a pretty thorough application packet this is how you fill this out here's how you write an architectural description so they didn't have any of that yeah i think correct me wrong part of it's that once when it's submitted and what's provided in the packet there's a couple things provided right it's the initial submittal application and then a staff works with them to fill in any missing gaps right which we try to fill fill in um to provide a good recommendation to you at the end of the report that doesn't necessarily go back to um we revise the original application if it was missing there but we still provide that for context um that is more of those handouts and now more and more of reference points rather than that they have to you know fill it out what we're trying to do is make sure that that does carry over to to our online application um we for multiple reasons are needing to go away from applications like that um but yeah the goal in the tent is not to miss out on information um it's to include all you know all the information as the applicant provides but we're also not um filling it in for the applicants if that makes sense right and having them to do it and seeing at what point we bring it forward to you okay so one more question so then if you could just tell me so which criteria were they seeking landmark designation under which letter were they seeking it under so they had originally i requested designation under criterion c c staff found them eligible under both c and f okay so staff added okay thank you so no no other questions for staff okay so we'll open the public hearing and give the applicant a chance to address the commission committee yeah so i'll just say um this house i think is something that we've been we had been looking for for a long time and really one of the reasons we moved to palm desert and we had a lot of nice surprises along the way when we first moved in well there were some nice surprises and then surprises that come with an older home as you can imagine but um one of the things that we found when we first moved in was a letter to the previous homeowner to invite it to be part of the modernism tours in palm desert and we were very surprised and we understand everyone has different priorities but how that owner could not take you know didn't take that opportunity and so for us that was something that was really special the other thing that happened is we discovered that there was actually a clear story window that had been painted over with the house and so um when we were working on the house alan very i think intelligently used a boroscope and saw is that correct it had been painted over 40 or 50 times probably over in the decades to the point where i think everyone assumed that it was wood and i was one quarter of an inch away from putting a drill through it to uh allow a power run when i thought you know what let me go in the closet on the other side and put a boroscope up there and take a look and i saw a reflection back in this space that so immediately i knew that that was glass don't drill through it um we revealed this amazing clear story window and when we say that the fenestration patterns have been retained they have right i mean this house is absolutely as far as we know untouched um in the exterior um and the materials from its original and and we have spent untold hours at the historic society with amazing help thank you um and we are 1000 invested in getting to the bottom of it i'm ready to start drilling tiny quarter inch holes and sticking my boroscope in to see if i can find plans that someone maybe left inside i'm not kidding like that's how committed we are to this it is um we also knew by the way that the closet then wasn't unique to the original house and so i took it down uh from the top we really want to bring this back um we're thrilled that the stone remains that all the exterior um um remains as it was yeah just for context so the clear story window part of it was uncovered right by the door but they had essentially cut it where that you can kind of see that stone pillar there that's right next to it and so it essentially it really created this harsh line on the exterior that just wasn't meant to be there and so um now if you drive by it's it it looks how it's supposed to yeah so it's um it's a unicorn the house is absolutely unicorn we know by going to the society that uh when it was built i think there were two other houses on the street and neither of them reflect this um we had some uh thanks to uh again the historical society someone bravely rescued the um original building permit from the city of riverside before they county sorry the county of riverside they destroyed everything i believe before 1964 is that right yeah that was me thank you oh thank you um i it's it's when you think about everything that was lost in what they did it's it's um it it hurts almost physically that they did that especially by that time knowing that these were significant architects and builders right um so we do know it was eugene roberts and i've researched him and what what an amazing guy he seems to admit um we also have some clues that the house was perhaps um either designed by moir or um was um heavily influenced by and the uh i don't know if you can see the spider legs on the outside i think it was in one of the other photos but there's kind of a slant to there's this walkway that you come into that you know yeah that has these very distinctive spider legs um that um are are indicative of moir's design so this is a real um we're very much into the uh mystery of this house and the detective work i it is such a unicorn and it looks like a meiselman sitting in the middle of of this area that i almost find it hard to believe uh that no one said you know what let's take a picture of it back in 1957 58 59 60 61 62 because it is a complete standout um anyway i would love to come spend some time with this class anything else from the applicant i think that's it i mean i think we can just say from our you know in terms of our goals we really want this house to stay put we don't want to see anything happen to it you know we want to we want to preserve it um we intend to be the owners for you know for as long as we can be um but i think we want it to stay in place and so that's really our goal we're grateful that nothing has happened to it it very well could have had more things happen to it and so um just to be clear that that's something that we are really passionate about and so um yeah that's you know that's our goal of seeking this historic designation i'll just say the the importance to answer your earlier question um i'm sorry uh i'm half blind the sam rose uh is that the importance of individual historic designation from our perspective is that's what brought us here we can't find this anywhere else these these wonderful historic houses that are um indicative of periods that's long past um it's it's a it's kind of magical when you find something like this so that's really it and then you know i think the modernism tour alone and the millions and millions of dollars that it brings in and the thousands of visitors that come from across the world to see these individual homes um is so important to the city uh to draw those people in so i just want that okay do we have anyone virtually joining our meeting that would like to speak on this item i see none okay so at this time i think we closed the public hearing is that correct so we'll or unless in that i'm sorry unless any committee members had questions for the applicant i don't have any questions for the applicant but i think the property as to the architectural diversity of that neighborhood because i live on bercera and um the fact that it's so intact and hasn't been home depotized is huge it has a carport and no one's put a garage door on it yet so i mean those are all things that ruin homes in the neighborhood so um i'm very pleased to see this house go forward so first i think we need to close public hearing then so we have no questions for first for the applicant i'm sorry i'm just getting taking my cues from steph over there so we are officially closing the public hearing now we would welcome comment from our committee okay so i love this house you know i went in and and stocked it uh on on multiple occasions i'm a house stalker uh um um um i think that uh uh finding these houses that are are um um have not been damaged uh uh is is incredibly rare and beautiful yeah yeah um and yeah so so i'm a big fan of it so my my only concern is do we feel like the app that do we feel like the holes in the application are are need to be fixed or is the is the application sufficient because um there has been a distinct downturn in the quality of applications that we've been getting and i find that disturbing and because we don't want to make this process difficult for you but we have minimum standards but that four page application that we got was you know was horrifying uh uh because it was it it had so many holes in it and they just expected us to approve it because we all knew that it was historic and it's just like there has to be the appropriate documentation um so so what what do you guys think do you i mean that's a great question i'll refer to staff on that get their thoughts um so staff felt that based on the uh the information that was provided and the analysis that staff conducted in addition to that including a site visit and um analysis of other materials that there was enough information in the record as a whole uh to find the um property eligible for designation under the two criteria so so you you felt the architectural statement was sufficient i think the architectural statement is intended as a starting point for staff to understand the property as a whole that we don't necessarily expect the applicant to be able to produce a complete and thorough architectural statement they have various levels of background in this but there was enough there to get staff started and understanding and constructing our own statement of architectural significance because the the other part to add to that is that the staff report itself and the analysis done in there is another part that's for the record as it moves forward to establish why um why the property is eligible why staff finds it's eligible and if um this committee and council ultimately approves why why those decisions were were made we we have seen and we see this not just on these applications we see this um in all types of applications in terms of the amount of analysis and applicants submits versus the amount of gaps that sometimes staff needs to fill in um for whichever reason but the end of the day what we are reviewing against is does it meet um the findings that it needs to meet um the findings that it needs to meet um the findings that it needs to meet and do we have evidence and confidence that it's meeting those findings and the answer is yes that we bring it forward sometimes that's asking the um applicant to provide more information sometimes that's that's saying okay you've given us information and we can help um meet you there so that we're not um you know you know asking them to reapply a whole new application at that point does that answer your question committee member mcqueen i mean i just feel sad that our standards have lowered i feel like our standards have lowered in the past two years and i'm sad but i'll get over it or i'll quit okay okay what and and i too just feel like this is why we created this packet and again if you were not aware of this you may may not have even seen this online but and i understand you know maybe not everyone has the skills from the architectural standpoint to submit this glowing description but it's really quite clear you know what is the style how many stories is it what's the plan you know l shape whatever what's the structure what's the siding what's the foundation what kind of root does it have i mean it's really it really walks you through what you need and i know in the application you you know i understood it was a single story so but it wasn't just presented at one place the architectural description of the you know the imagine walking around the building as you move around this way you see this i i absolutely i'm sorry thank you the points that you just brought up are they in that packet yes okay so yeah that's not in those you've never seen it no well the online application i guess which is under being developed and right it does not ask any of those questions it just basically says say something um so okay um but we're happy to answer uh any of those on the record um and and part of those answers again are in the staff report itself is understanding if there is a gap there right it's it's in the staff report and or presentation saying where some of this information especially if it's needed for you know to meet the finding then trying to put that in there to to justify it but i feel like that you've taken over writing the application the staff is taken over the process and this was something yeah on the applicant yeah and that that is again and not just on these on on other ends right where um and actually even in the past sometimes it is staff doing that we just have sometimes staff tells the applicant staff is reviewing it and we would redline the application and say we'll go back and write it but it's still and this is still in the sense doing that except not asking for them to reapply again just saying okay well we have the information we need and we'll put it into our our staff report it's the same thing i think ultimately our goal is um being you know um assisting the the applicants sure but making sure at the end of the day our criteria has not changed in terms of what the findings are that need to be made and if um you don't think the application gives the information to meet that criteria then then so be it but our our criteria and our our standards to meet that have not changed just a matter of how the information is presented we are and you know as we work on these on these applications are trying to see okay how much more can we front load for an applicant um we also heard you know have heard from from applicants right in terms of there's different levels of expertise as they come to us um and you know on on some of them feeling they need to whether to go hire someone go hire professional versus then doing it themselves so our goal again the staff is to help them um be able to apply if they meet that criteria um our goal is to not provide you all with incomplete information um because if there's any information that you are unclear about then you can ask us or ask the applicant but between application report it should all be in there for you to make a decision i just feel like we went you know we worked really hard to to get a system that people could understand and now it's been kicked to the curb and they're not even getting it right and i and i totally agree and i'm just let's talk about this afterwards because i'm on the same boat so i agree with you so the question before us now is does someone here on our committee feel we have enough information to make a recommendation at this time i do okay what's your motion oh i'll make a motion that we uh accept the city's recommendation for nomination we have a second i second roll call please committee member toltsman yes committee member mortensen yes committee member mcleod yes committee member mccune yes committee member marcus yes acting chair housekin now now i apologize because now i don't know that i gave everyone a chance to speak on this i hope i did right before we voted right i i didn't i didn't choose to speak i i think it's a lovely home a beautiful home and i'll talk about it more with staff later about districts and tiered systems but i'm gonna vote no even though it's a lovely special home because we don't know the architect that's kind of where i'm hung up on so i hope you find out it is moyer and can give us a little more information motion carries five one okay thank you and thank you for loving the home it looks lovely it does look lovely yeah yeah yeah okay continuing you know one thing i noticed well since you're leaving probably i'll just throw it out there i went on google map and i was looking at it through the years and at one point there was a a wart of a small building accessory building attached to the carport it looked like if you go go like back in 2006 or 10 or 10 but someone took it off long before you ever bought it but i was like oh there's something down there so then i had to search around i even drove by your house i'm like oh thank goodness that's long gone and i could tell from your photos it was but it's interesting i know i i doubt it it looked like a little like i said wart hanging off your hanging off your uh airport there on the east side anyways it was it was interesting uh there was a walter white uh uh uh and we we just discovered the clear they they uh put particle board over the windows we know this house which which walter wait shadow mountain wait is it four five seven ten shadow mountain yeah we were in that we were in that house yeah where is the do you know where it is well when i'd like i'd like to avoid talking about another property okay we'll call yeah you guys can sit yeah you're free to stay until the end and afterwards but i'd really like to avoid talking about the property thank you staff for reminding us that okay moving on to informational reports number seven oh button city council liaison welcome any comments for us today yeah i do have a couple okay so uh thank you this has been uh robust and interesting i like it yeah and i look forward to both of these coming before council for discussion probably i guess it's kind of come to us maybe august september so we'll have a chance to discuss it as well both these properties um so uh informational report or something to give you guys an update on um luke loschner of course everybody knows him he uh brought it to my attention that uh tom uh cody sorry william cody had designed an entry sign to the city and it was built in the late 60s i think uh or at least before the city was incorporated there was an entry sign between what was then i guess palm village or before we were incorporated in rex mirage and it was at the corner of painters path and kind of in front of the current tilted kilt and uh he thought it'd be an idea to explore recreating that and um i love the idea and um so the city's looking into potential designs i don't think we can completely faithfully recreate it because of new design standards and building materials and what's required by the state etc etc however we are pursuing the idea of recreating that sign not exactly at the same place because there's a wall there now and everything else but somewhere between the border of ranch mirage and palm desert and it was actually i believe unsolicited but palm springs um preservation foundation got wind of it and they've generously offered up to thirty thousand dollars for us to uh towards design and i thought that was really neat and so that process might be of interest to you and that's what we're moving forward with and see how it goes we're kind of as a council we're revisiting all the entry signs for the entire city you know and making them sort of more uniform and upgrading them a bit somewhere a little bit older so this is sort of a part of that a complete process so uh keep attention keep abreast of that situation if you like and it will be on future council agendas i am certain so thank you so much thank you council member truby are you wait you might be vice mayor oh i'm sorry mayor truby i was gonna say say mayor pro tem no you're the mayor my my apologies okay 7b city staff city staff do you have any updates on things for us i remember last meeting you said you're going going to be receiving the survey pretty soon maybe from arg we have not received it yet um but do do hope to give you an update i think the biggest update i have um right now which might bleed into requests for action but it it's a good time and not that i want to avoid lively discussion or request for action but we will be sending out um our annual survey to you all if you recall in previous years we sent out a survey um for you all to prioritize a work plan and that's the goal to develop a work plan for this um committee for the next year on items you want to focus on gives you guys a way to um say what your top priorities are and then i gather that and present that to you all so that we set up the top five priorities um so you know whether it's developing a um tier section um system and and um on the background we've actually already um thought about exploring that not just for designations but certificate of appropriateness as well so it would be more of a wholesale approach to developing more of a tier system um for historic preservation in general um as we get more and more robust you have to create more category categorization on this um but whether it's that you want to provide um and um so yeah so so please look out for that and that'll be a good way for you to put what your priorities are and what we want to really um focus on um touched on a bit in terms of the application not just this one but also in general we are going to council i believe tomorrow um with um uh more updates or or requests for amendment for a contract for um our online permitting software system so that's a part of it so we are going for clarity correct and so um we we did launch last year but we are in what's called the phase two and probably multiple phases to this system um to do updates just as we speak um it's not just historic preservation in areas that we want to um you know clean up um we are working on um other applications as well as how we deal with um accessibility of our hard copy applications um the goal is to get you know all the information we need but also make it um to to be frank to be honest ultimately it's making it as applicant friendly as possible um to make it um you know to make their application successful but also equitable in terms of who who can apply and how um so we are working on that and do hope to improve um the application itself as well as the the process as they submit um and and providing them all the information that you have worked on um so working on that so so look out for surveys let's send out via email and then you can let me know if you got any questions um so the goal is at the next historic preservation committee meeting um i'll present the survey findings and then develop a work plan that's all i got okay thank you so eight requests for action i think that means committee member comments or request for action i don't know if this is an appropriate time um can you change oh um so it is what is the status on sandpiper the the thing that we approved last time the paint colors i heard it's gone awry what i can say on the record is because we don't have we've heard that there will be likely a change to application status but we have not received formal um any new formal applications what we do have on record is um all parties involved i'm agreeing to hold off and pause for now until it gets figured out it's my understanding that they found the original colors right yeah got it any other questions um comments i just once again have to say that um the problem with people sending in applications is is that is that the system right now is difficult and and i've been begging the city to to put current information on the website and they have not and i essentially um at as as my as my as my in my position as an archivist and historian i am starting to no longer help people because the city system is so broken and i just send them straight to the city i'm not going to participate in the nonsense anymore the fact that they're not even getting the full application instructions tells me that the system is broken and i'm not going to participate anymore as an archivist and historian i will as a committee member but um uh instead of me having to spend all of my time doing research and helping people because the city won't give clear instructions uh i'm not doing it i'm not carrying that mental weight anymore so that's my statement of the day okay any other comments i have a couple things and maybe this would be appropriate for like a future workshop or something carlos i'm not sure um just because i did feel that last home was a lovely home but i feel like you open the door and then you know do the floodgates open every lovely nice home but i know that area was also in your staff report from the house on willow just literally immediately to north as property it mentions the historic district you know potential historic district in that area so is the threshold for qualifying for a historic district lower than an individual property i wouldn't say it's um i wouldn't say it's lower i mean i don't know if we have it in our code written you know lower or higher it's it's different correct it's similar criteria but but but different um different criteria nonetheless but yeah i wouldn't say it's lower or or higher um obviously with the district there's more to consider there's more there's more land area to to consider um but yeah i wouldn't say that just because we haven't had that's something maybe this would be an appropriate workshop item just because you know we've had sandpiper which is very you know it was brought to us by the homeowners there this is maybe a larger area and i'm wondering just kind of really i'd like to learn more about the process for for district versus singular well kind of over a more well geographic a more spread out area so like for instance that last house again if this was maybe a historic district up there maybe it would be appropriate for that but we don't we haven't made a historic district there i'm so i'm just kind of curious the process okay yeah then we can look into yeah that makes sense and then also it was in my notes too and everybody brought it up with the first house you know the discussion of having the the tier system you know class one class two because i think we kind of ran into that today in my opinion so yeah and again that'll be on our survey yeah you're gonna send around our work plan yeah yeah priorities and that's something we've looked into as as it's expanded okay and then again just and i understand what you're saying and i know they're trying to do online i totally get that i i don't understand why this wouldn't couldn't be just easily emailed out to somebody that initially submits online so the last people had never seen this and again it just feels like you know we've kind of spun our wheels we created this we tried to make it very user friendly and answer these questions here's how you do it here's how you write this here's how you take photographs yet at our last meeting you know we had a application before us that had no photos so i just you know i think we're trying to save staff from time and i understand you guys do have to read through all these things but that way you're not having to go back and say oh we need this we need your photos from each elevation and again it's all spelled out in here so i hear what you're saying but i also feel committee member mccune's frustration at you know we've tried to make this as easy as we can and yet there's been a disconnect and just lastly for me it was really hard to read the bercera street application because some of the the applicants i mean i finally figured out how to do it but we're so tiny they were all in different formats so when i was scrolling through if there'd just be an easier way for us to scroll through oh and one other question our last two applications have had chains of title basically and neither one's been associated with a particular you know important person so i'm just wondering where they're getting this notion that i need to wade through you know all these chains of title if that's something you've been asking for that's part of the application you're talking about like the the deed the grant deed well no you need owner i i can see obviously you need to know that these are the owners that are submitting the application but you know if you're trying to prove that a certain person owned it i could see why you'd want the chain of title but i don't know that we've ever asked for that and we're steadily getting pages of those okay yeah that's always been part of the application we've maybe never part put it in terms of your packet it's that is really important for our part to make sure that the authorized owner is signing off that this big especially for the assessor we've maybe never put it as part of your packet sure and and you know we we can remove that as part of the packet if it's not well okay i just think but for us it's yeah it's really important yeah and again to know that they own the house obviously but i one one even apologize we're still trying to figure out if you know get the train that someone anderson owned it i'm like it doesn't matter it doesn't matter you know we're not saying he's an important person but okay i've said my piece okay last chance going once going twice i have a comment okay it's about our committee right here okay i've been on the committee i don't i think 12 years and i know uh we all are passionate on certain things and but i i feel like when an applicant is here and telling us what he wants uh if we have questions and concerns like rochelle did we should be able to say it in a more kinder gentler atmosphere instead of like a catholic you know and uh no offense but um it was uh it was it was hard because it was back and forth and this isn't congress this is just a committee and i just think uh if we could tone it down a little bit uh i would appreciate it thank you and that comment i sat right next to him at the last meeting and he was right next to me and people online thought i was in danger because of his aggressiveness so it kind of goes both ways okay i think it's different when the public is doing it uh you're uh on the city council so you know when they uh when people in the audience are attacking you but you don't turn around and start attacking them most of them most of them most of them i think we'll want to yeah listen okay i'll have one more quick item callback is also if it hasn't been explicitly said but i want to make sure it's noted is if you ever as you receive your packet we're always also always available ahead of time ahead of the meeting if you have any clarifying questions on it i'll always available whether you send any email or just want to give us a call to clarify any question you have ahead of time or anything like that or that's you're more than capable to to or and able to do that just want to know that thanks okay thank you everyone we will adjourn and we'll meet again are we do is it likely we'll be meeting in august do you have anything at this um it's almost certain yes because at a minimum i want to do the work plan excellent i'll see everybody on a hot sticky day in august thank you Thank you.

. . . . . Recording in progress. Okay. Shall we start? Call the meeting to order. Thank you all. Our annual gathering. Roll call. Looks like everyone's here. Perfect. We'll just run through a quick. Member Armijo. Here. Member Nascendi. Here. Member Truby. Here. And Chair Smith. Thank you. Okay. Non-agenda public comments. I'm guessing there aren't any, but if there are, this is the time. No request to speak at this time, Chair. Good. Okay. Consent calendar. I don't believe there is a consent calendar. On your consent calendar today, it's just the minutes from last year's meeting. Okay. I got you for it. Okay. So, good. So we need a motion, I guess, to approve the consent calendar. Which would include the minutes of our last meeting. I'll make the motion. You gotta push your button. I'll make the motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Good. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Approved. No consent items held over. Action calendar. Item 6A. Receive and file the annual financial report for fiscal year ended June 30, 2025. It seems like so long ago. Okay. Comments, questions, discussion? Is there going to be a presentation from the auditors? Not this year, no. Not this year. Yes. Okay. So I just have a question. Is that for you? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So on page 10 of the audit report under -- Are you getting ahead of us here? Is this the -- Am I? Okay. I guess page 10? Yes. No, I think we're talking about the report. Yeah, we're good. So I have two questions. The first one is the under operating revenues. We have an amount there for contribution to the audit. So I have two questions. The first one is the under operating revenues. We have an amount there for contribution to the audit. So I have two questions. So I have two questions. The first one is the under operating revenues. We have an amount there for contribution from the city, $335,101. What is that? So that was similar to last year, the accumulated deficit that we cleared from prior, which is about $1.3 million contribution. That's this year's amount to zero net position. Okay. All right. So is that something that's going to be going on every year or -- Likely given the cost and rising inflation. We are currently retaining the balance in PDRFC. So if it is offset by positive income, but it will likely be a contribution from Desert Willow every year. Okay. But there was no actual transfer of funds from the city to -- That's correct, yes. Yeah. So this is just the paper deficit that we'll be carrying -- Exactly. -- year after year. Yes. Yeah. The other question that I have is that under the operating income, it looks like we ended up with a surplus of $38,041. But then that surplus has been offset by an interest expense of $38,041. So what is that? I mean, what's -- I believe that's the interest expense on the lease payments. But I can confirm and get back to you with that. Yeah. It just seems kind of strange that it's the same amount. The in and out of it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, if you can get back to -- I think that's because that's all we had to pay. Yeah. No, it's more than that, Phil. All we had -- Yeah. -- available to pay. Correct. Okay. That sounds good. I don't have any other questions. I would just highlight that that contribution does include $100,000 that does go to the city that's paid in rent annually as well. So part of that paper loss that you're seeing there, $100,000 of it's really just a pass back and forth between the city and -- And then the goal is to mitigate that contribution annually, but to look at the overall business model in a more appropriate way as we've done in the past and provided financials for, which I know we'll discuss in a few minutes. Yeah, but the $96,000, the rent -- Correct. -- that you're paying. Yes. But -- Yeah. But this is more like the accumulated deficit, which is more than just rent. Correct. Yeah. All right. Okay. If there are no other questions or comments, I would entertain a motion to receive and file the annual financial report. I'll make that motion. Is there a second? I'll second. All in favor? Aye. Motion passes four to zero. Thank you. Next item. Receive and file the federal and state income tax returns for the PDRC for the year ended June 30, 2025. Questions or comments on the tax returns? No, the only thing that I noticed is that we made a change how we're reporting the city contribution from last year to this year. So it's been reported and included in the tax return for this year. That's the only change that I noticed. So -- You're good with them? Yeah. I'm good. Any other questions or comments? Is there a motion to approve to receive and file the tax returns? I'll make the motion to do that. I'll second again. We're on a roll. Looks like I had it. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Motion passes four to zero. Thank you. Succeed. Review and approve the proposed financial plan for fiscal year 2627. I think that's me. That's you, Derek. All right. The largest change for me in the past year is that I have to wear these extra special glasses when I read. But I guess that just comes with being around for a while now. So the first thing I want to note is that when we produce this budget, and I think we talk about this every year, we're doing this in January and February, and there's a lot of unknowns at that time. And so what I will add at this point is that that budget that you're seeing in front of you is fairly conservative, that we will likely close the gap of that PDRFC net deficit that you see at the bottom of the 206. And that was one of the reasons why I wanted to add the documents that we added today. So I thought I'd go through those and then we can discuss whatever you want to discuss regarding the budget. But it is likely that based on the trends we've been seeing over the last four or five months, that we will significantly close the gap that you see there on paper in terms of potential contribution that's required from Desert Willow or the city in that perspective. So if we go over to the items that were secondarily added, you'll see that it's for the 10 months ending April 30th. And I am now complete with May, but those haven't been distributed anywhere or reviewed by the city at this point. So I just went ahead and gave you April's. The trends are consistent with what you're going to see in April. And I know it was beneficial for us to look at Desert Willow as a whole of an entity, because what we're really talking about from PDRFC's perspective is that we're running a more country club style food and beverage operations with higher service levels, hours that maybe aren't profitable from time to time. It's not meant to be an apples to apples comparison to say your traditional restaurant model. And so we've talked about that. And so the whole goal of showing the large scope view of Desert Willow is just to keep that in mind that right, we're trying to offer a country club feel to the community of Palm Desert, as well as do it in a responsible and or a fiscally responsible way. And I think that that's what you'll see that's happening here. So from a standpoint of through April, what I wanted to point out is revenue growth is at 6% over prior year in total. And on the F&B side, we're actually 8% over prior year. Over the last couple of years, we have seen some declines on the catering side. But over the last few months, we've been seeing year over year growth in catering, which is a great sign, because certainly catering boomed right coming right out of covid. There were backed up weddings for miles. There are no longer a waiting list or a waiting room for weddings. And so some of that came back down to a normalized state. But what I would offer is that catering pre-covid maxed out around 850,000 in total revenue, and will likely still be in that 1.6 to 1.7. So post-covid revenues on the catering side are double what pre-covid levels were. So I think that number one speaks to growth on the outing side, which is certainly benefiting our catering side. There's been a lot of food and beverage associated with growth on our corporate outing side. And so the PDRFC certainly benefits from that. So anyway, significant revenue growth this year. We're continuing to see that, although it's plateauing right after covid. We saw a few years of double digit percent growth. It might have been year one, 25 percent growth. Year two, it's starting to back down. We're getting to a level now where we're just trying to really keep up with inflation and watch it continue to grow like a normal business would. So I guess I would just kind of roll down the sheet to the EBITDA number, which is really ultimately what we would kind of consider operating income before we get to sort of other cash flow type items. And you can see that we're year to date running at about 2.6 million. Our original budget for this particular fiscal year was just under 2 million. And last year was just over 2 million. So you can see that with the 6 percent revenue growth, we've pushed a big chunk of that money down to the bottom line and the overall business of Desert Willow. So cash flow break even point just for everyone's perspective is right around 1.3 million in terms of this EBITDA number. Anything above that is going to be cash to the positive. So we're going to be in position to have continuing cash growth. We actually have a decent sized number in the cash accounts at this point to the point in which we've covered reserves and are also actively looking at applying some of those dollars towards some capital projects at Desert Willow. So overall, I guess the perspective here is that Desert Willow financials are in a great spot. I also provided, I think a couple of pages later, how we really traditionally look at the food and beverage financial statements. Just wanted to provide that for information so you could kind of see how we start to look at that at this department. And the highlight here, if you were to move to the page, says for the 10 months ending Thursday, April 30th. And you can see a net income number at the bottom or an EBITDA number. You can see that this April for food and beverage alone, we're at a positive seventy seven thousand. Last year at this same time, we were at a negative hundred and eight. So when I was referring to at the beginning of this talk that we were looking to be closing the gap that you see budgeted in the PDRFC, you can see that we've already done so by actively adjusting for variable labor, especially in sort of short in sort of the off season times, as well as this is where we're seeing the benefit of that catering growth come right to the bottom line. So right now, all in all, the food and beverage department has made a dramatic turnaround, one that we've been working actively on. And I would also prerequisite that with the last two seasons, we've had one course down in the summer. And so we've had a shortfall of golfers during our highest fixed cost timeframe, which was something we've been talking about the last couple of years. This summer, we no longer have that. And so we are seeing some benefit from that utilization coming back onto the T sheet. So those were the things I really wanted to highlight before we had a detailed discussion about the budget. In addition, I've provided a balance sheet that also shows the cash growth in terms of the entity itself. If we were to look at the first page of the balance sheet, you can see current cash at September 30 being around 9.1 million. Last September or last April 30 was at 8.3 million. So you can see that that continued cash growth is there. It's not just something that I'm alluding to. It's real and on paper at this point. So those are the things that I wanted to highlight. The additional reports are really analytical in nature. So you can see the types of covers, the types of catering revenue, as well as our outlet and kind of how we break the business down. If there were any questions on those, I'd be happy to answer. But just wanted to kind of share the positive news since. Yes, sir. A quick question on the catering. Is that catering outside the club? No, we call catering or banquets. It's all in turn. We're not looking at doing outside, no food trucks, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Which is what. So that being said, as I was indicating in the very beginning, when we were putting this budget together, we had not seen some of this year over year catering growth and had not seen some of the positive changes on the variable labor side. And so we were projecting a more conservative number, one that I'm confident, you know, we can achieve, assuming the economy doesn't go sideways on us. So any particular questions? I would like to comment that it's very helpful to have this information, Derek. I don't think we've had this in the past. And we always struggle and talk about how does this really fit into the big picture? And what does desert willow look like as a whole? And this really helps a lot. And congratulations on the results. That's very good. Very encouraging. Thank you. I would add on the guest service side, this year was a year of awards for desert willow. For sure. One of them being that we have a secret shopper program that's been in place for the last couple years. Desert willow had been a silver flag award winner, one of only like six in the country, six and above their silver and gold. And this year we moved to the gold steps that also included who's not here today, which I would have happily recognized. But it's really our entire food and beverage department. But our F&B director was noted as F&B manager of the year for this secret shopper program. And it's completely objective. So we scored the highest in food and beverage across the entire secret shopper portfolio. And I will allude to the fact that only folks that are actually interested in guest service, you know, prescribed to a secret shopper program. So we're not talking about comparing ourselves to, you know, other small time municipal clients. We're talking about the TPCs of the world and other private clubs across, you know, the country. So we were super proud of that. I think that our guests are super proud of what we're doing over there. And so I certainly wanted to highlight some of that that goes along with what can clearly be seen as the results of that sort of service in the financial results. Congratulations. That's terrific. Thanks. Derek, a quick question on your projected expenses. I'm looking at your, you know, just expenses in general. Did you guys – probably you didn't because this was prepared back in January and February. Mm-hmm. But as you know, we all know that inflation is now 4.2%. Was that – are you going to be revising these numbers because it's – I would say likely no. Yes, I think inflation came through in the 4.5 or something right now is where it's moving. 4.2. Yeah, something like that. So I'd say what we were planning on in the budget was around 3 to 3.5. And on some items, right, things like utilities, we continuously bump by like 5 because we're out of control and they seem to move that way, if not more. Right. But what I would add is that the savings we've seen over this last, say, 4 or 5 months would lead me to believe that there would be no need to make an adjustment for inflation, that the two would either balance each other out if we didn't come out ahead of what we've previously budgeted. Is it just a savings because of increased revenue or reduction of costs? I'd say it's both. But really it's more a reduction in the amount of labor used in our shoulder season. So we're being much more reactionary to the declines in covers and trying to hold off longer on the increase when we're coming into it in the fall. So I'm asking our team to be better about matching labor to actual businesses transpiring during those tougher times of the year. So we're not necessarily in peak season. We feel like we're all running with 100 miles an hour with our hair on fire in February, but not so much in September. So we're trying to keep training and all those kinds of things as much to a minimum as possible while still maintaining the standards that we require. So, it looks like, given where you are this year, you're very likely to beat this. Yes. Hopefully. Yes. I would say it is quite conservative. At this point, the information I had back in February, I would not have made that statement. Understood. I would think with Desert Surf coming online here soon, that might change your numbers for the needs of the employees you are able to retain then perhaps during the shoulder season. Perhaps. Yes. We actually do think it will be a benefit, especially at first, since they're going to have a lot of corporate groups and things. They're not going to have the food and beverage operations to support those. We've been working really hand in hand with them. In fact, they're doing lifeguard training in our facility right now. But, you know, it's highly likely we'll be servicing a lot of their corporate groups and different things throughout these first couple years, at least until there's a hotel. And even at that point, you know, I'm sure we'll see an uptick in both all the cart business and catering business from what they have going over there. Question on the other assets portion. It lists goodwill and other intangibles, $631,000 and change. Yeah, that's actually some stuff that was there from the origin of the entity. I'm talking like back when I became controller or came here as controller, that was already there and already fully amortized at that point. So it's one of those numbers that gets generated at the time that they do the capitalization. And I'm not sure that there's really it's like I said, it's fully amortized. So there's no real value there. And offsets from accumulated amortization. Okay. Yeah. Zero's out. Cool. I'm not getting any kickbacks or anything like that that's sliding around as goodwill. We'll put it that way. Yes. Cool. Anything else, ladies and gentlemen? Is there a motion to review to a we've reviewed a motion to approve the proposed financial plan for fiscal year 2627? I'll make the motion. I will second the motion. All in favor. Aye. Motion passes four to zero. Thank you. Okay. We have the ever popular annual election of chairperson and vice chairperson. I would like to nominate Mr. Armijo to be, see I got in first. You sure did. To act as chairman for the next year because he has great experience and will do an excellent job. As my personal endorsement. I'll second the motion. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Thank you very much. Motion passes four to zero. Leaving the vice chairperson by default. But it probably takes a motion. Go. I'll make the motion to nominate Phil as the vice chair for this. I will second that motion. All in favor. Aye. Great. Motion passes four to zero. Thank you. Thank you very much. Anything? We have informational reports and comments. Anything else for the benefit of the group? I think our work here is done. I think you're going to make your next meeting, Jaina. I'll make my meeting. I might go get a coffee. Okay. We will adjourn the meeting. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. hit and run etc is that something that's still being considered or are we just pretty happy with where we've got them now so i'm going to answer the first part i'm going to turn it over to daniel hartado but yes we're always working with the city staff to see where cameras can be added and better situated and when we realize there's a spot that may benefit from the camera system and i'll turn it over daniel hartado in your opinion would that make sense as far as soft targets oh yeah definitely it would and we're already in talks of that so but i'll let him finish the conversation on the city staff thank you i do just want to add um that is correct so we're being proactive and that is portion that's what this staff report amendment will do it'll allow us to kind of expand the program more as we see success on the program and any areas within the city that the sheriff's department make a recommendation that say hey we should there's a high flux of people in this area let's go ahead and move into this area for vehicles etc so that's the purpose of this so do we know if the living desert may have it because again thinking in terms of soft targets they are also a an attraction not necessarily at the living desert but we do have cameras nearby perfect thank you and then my last comment is um one of the big concerns you know as far as access from federal agencies and it's glad to i'm happy to see that those are not automatically listed on there which reinforces that rso does in fact require those warrants um and one of the questions that i had um referring to unauthorized access um i was pleased to see that in the time that um since we have implemented it that there has only been one instance within rso where somebody had um improper or illegal access and it resulted in a termination so i'm happy that that can reassure the public that it is flagged and it does have a substantial result for the individual it does and what i would like to remind the public is having confidential information from law enforcement we've had it for a long time and we have to abide by certain laws and rules so when that's broken we there's action taken and whether it's the lpr system or any other confidential law enforcement's database so that's something we're always looking for for and making sure that our employees are compliant perfect thank you so much i appreciate you well okay actually i just have two questions on this item um the first is i know i saw that um it authorizes uh two and a half million dollar spend with just the city manager's authorization and um i thought we had already addressed the issue of sort of a maximum amount that any department can spend without city council approval and that may be more question for our finance department yeah actually you are correct however this agreement has been approved to date at in the amount of 2.1 million so the increase is only for 400 000. about 80 000 of that is covering the nine cameras that they're replacing the remainder of about 300 000 is what you would be authorizing for the city manager to approve for the remainder of the five-year agreement and that clarifies that appreciate it and then secondly flock is also known as alpr right automatic license plate reader and in one of the um sections here in the background the last paragraph the background it says as palm desert grows both city staff and the sheriff's office continue to evaluate areas where additional coverage may be needed these additional coverage areas include parks roadways new development areas commercial corridors high traffic locations ingress egress points and other areas where public safety coverage gaps are identified and so my concern is that this opens the potential for more than just license plate reading if we're in parks and other areas where maybe we're not on a roadway anymore we're in a place where people are just gathering and um is there any way we can kind of address that or what's the uh are my concerns reasonable and justified you you are correct so the last council meeting when we wanted to expand on the program we went ahead and implemented 10 live view cameras and that's going to be along el paseo and that's first as our i'll say a phase we want to see what the public is going to see the success they see all along el paseo and we did get recommendation i'm sorry letter of support from the businesses on el paseo okaying this and it's actually very similar to the kesq live el paseo camera that gets posted on the mornings just as an idea of a reference of how that looks so we wanted to do a phase approach and seeing um moving forward if we do want to go with that recommendation to go ahead and implement those cameras they most uh in parks etc those would be live views but as far as alpr expansion those are just the generic license plate capturing where we would go towards areas that don't have that um near trailheads etc etc more like homady homady homadam parks etc as an example we would probably want to fill in those areas council have any oversight before those are installed we will yes okay so we'd be able to give the thumbs up or thumbs down correct all right that's good that's all i needed thank you anybody else all right well i'll move approval of item 9j anybody care to second i'll second the motion all right council member harnick yes mayor i'm sorry council member moreno yes council member nestandy yes mayor pro tempur ditto yes and mayor true yes motion passes five to zero all right thank you on to item 10 our action calendar and we begin with item 10a which is the establishment of live scan fingerprinting services at the palm desert library and we have a staff report for miss hodges good afternoon mayor and members of the city council angelic hodges management analyst with the library with library services the item before you today is a receive and file report regarding staff's work toward establishing the library as a doj or department of justice authorized life scan location the pilot pro program idea originated from the city's need to address longer wait times for internal uh fingerprinting services due to the limited availability in the surrounding areas as the city needs have grown through our new through new employees being hired internships and the increase in the library volunteers staff identified an opportunity to create a more convenient efficient and customer focused solution for city operations with an eventual goal of cert of service to the broader community library and library and human resources recently begun the fingerprinting process as the first step toward getting certified once the step once that steps complete then we can apply to be a provider agency startup costs are anticipated to be 15 000 and or excuse me estimated at 15 000 and and are anticipated to be supported through current year one-time cost savings from hr in the amount of 15 000 and that that money will be reallocated to our innovation reserve fund which will uh those new funds will be reprogrammed to support efficiency the ongoing costs excuse me efficiency and the ongoing costs may be offset through future fee service fees uh upon a successful pilot but we will bring that back to council if that is for consideration as staff continues to evaluate the library's operational model the service represents a thoughtful enhancement that addresses internal city needs while further expanding the library's role as a community focused facility that concludes my report and i'm happy to answer any questions perfect thank you miss hodges um any questions from my colleagues that's member moreno would these services be available during certain hours only or during the hours of operation for the library we still are in the preliminary phase and planning um i'll know more once we become a provider site nothing is off the table when it comes to that so we're we're open to having um days or certain time frames yeah i think it would be um very beneficial if there was at least one night where it would be open a little bit past that for folks that have that nine to five or whatever time they get out in the evenings that may not allow them to go to other current locations um because especially if they're our future employees or interns i think that would be a great community benefit and i love the idea of having it at the library where we know that individuals are going to get a positive experience it's not always a um i've had negative experiences unfortunately with some of the vendors and knowing the kind of quality approachable service that we're going to have really would be a great service so thanks for looking into this i i think this would be a good asset okay we will we will keep your con uh your idea in mind when it comes to that afternoon availability thank you is there any other question no question i just kudos on using the innovation fund yeah and actually my question i think was probably for the city manager this uh i noticed the funding is coming from the innovation fund is this the first use of the of the innovation fund this this is the second one the first one was the pet adoption gift cards oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i love it i think that is such a clever idea to use savings from the budget and let them come up with i'd love it it's just working perfectly so great job and i love the idea that the library is a community center and this augments that so yeah it seems like a great idea we're all in alignment it seems staff has seen a void and they have a solution to fix it i move approval i will second i think it's isn't it a receive and file that's that is correct thank you pardon there we go okay shows we're excited yeah i want to vote on it all right here we go on to item 10b which is consideration of an international surfing association paris surfing championship sponsorship and we have miss amy lawrence with the staff report good afternoon honorable mayor members of the city council i'm amy lawrence deputy director of economic development and there it is this is a request to approve a sponsorship contribution of 75 000 for the 2026 international surfing association or isa world para surfing championship the proposed sponsorship includes a matching contribution of 75 000 from visit greater palm springs and a contribution of 150 000 from desert surf and its partners for a total contribution package sponsorship package of 300 000 this is not working here we go technical difficulties or maybe it's the operator sorry okay i'm not going to touch the button again sorry about that the isa world para surfing championship is an international adaptive surfing competition that brings together athletes from around the world and supports the isa's efforts to include para surfing in the 2032 para olympic games in brisbane isa is the international olympic committee's recognized world governing body for surfing the event is proposed to take place at desert surf from november 19th through november 22nd 2026 which is a period when hotel occupancy is typically lower than peak season levels activities include athlete training competition and opening and closing ceremonies which attract competitors coaches coaches officials support staff and spectators from around the world the 2024 and 2025 championships uh in oceanside featured nearly 150 competitors representing 25 nations okay let's try this it worked according to the isa the 2025 championship generated approximately 760 000 webcast views 16 million social media views 300 000 social media interactions 85 000 website visits and an estimated earned media value of 1.8 million as part of the sponsorship package the city and visit greater palm springs would be recognized as official gold sponsors and receive marketing and promotional benefits including prominent name and logo placement website advert webcast advertising social media integrations event activation space and announcer mentions during the webcast before i conclude hosting an international championship at desert surf in its first few months of opening may provide an opportunity to introduce the venue to a global audience and further establish palm desert as a destination for sports tourism and recreation this concludes my presentation and i'd be happy to answer any questions we also have representatives of desert surf here and i believe we have a representative from isa available on zoom for questions thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you very much any questions for my colleagues what is the total cost to put this program on do you have any idea i don't know the total cost to put the program on i know that desert surf will be working to get additional sponsors for the event all right any comments well oh still questions beg your pardon oh no i don't have a question okay um my question is um i know there was the the note that were as exciting as this would be there is a possibility that we may not be able to help accommodate opening ceremonies and all of the pomp and circumstance that an event like this deserves understandably is that um because of a financial um issue a timeline issue staff a resource issue so i think what what that meant was that we might not be able to host a parade that closes down el paseo or something like that we may be able to host something at the park so it just really depends on the magnitude of it it also depends on if they wanted to host the opening and closing ceremonies at desert surf so it really depends on the logistics that they're requesting okay so it may be possible it may be possible yeah and that's what that meant in the report perfect just it's the just in case cya i catch up yes and the other part is it says in the report that this would be a contingent upon the additional support um let's see where did that say um contingent upon a matching sponsorship contribution from uh visit greater palm springs and desert surf do we know when that timeline would be for us to know yes it happened or no it didn't happen visit greater palm springs has committed to the sponsorship and as has desert surf all right so we're secure okay thank you so much any other questions okay on to comments i think it would be an honor for our city to benefit from hosting this wonderful event and again as amy lawrence said it would introduce palm desert to a global audience it seems like a win-win so i'm i'm very supportive i concur council member harnick anything thank you mayor uh it i'm gonna piggyback on what council member moreno said about the marketing meeting and they talked all about branding and how we can reach out to further markets and this is an opportunity especially with the paralympics coming up in in 2028 this is an opportunity for us to have greater impact with the palm desert brand and to do the right thing and this is really exciting and as we go forward with this asset in our community the branding of palm desert is going to be elevated and this is a great way to introduce and raise awareness our community to be able to help us to help us to help us to help us to help us to help us to help us absolutely absolutely i will and we'll make oh council member moreno my comment is that i i concur this is something that um palm desert is going to be in the spotlight for it and i think it speaks to um thank you for for that commitment that is recognized beyond our our state and we're going to be put on the global map for something else i love that as much as we think that the holiday season everybody travels it's at that end of the year where we're going to give people the opportunity to keep up that revenue this is win-win all around and um i just hope that since we're providing a sponsorship that we get tickets to see some of that too because obviously i know that we would all want to go support so maybe that ask is in there that you know we support the the sponsor or the the event contribution as long as we get tickets to be able to continue to support unless they're ridiculously expensive and it would require a conflict of interest a declaration and i move approval if there aren't comments second council member harnick yes council member moreno yes council member standee yes mayor pro tem perdetto yes and mayor truppe yes motion passes five to zero thank you very much on to item number 10 c approve a professional services agreement with jewish family service of san diego for homeless outreach and engagement services we looks like we have a staff report for mr ivan tenorio uh good afternoon mayor city council uh i've been and uh i've been tenorio pedro rodriguez with development services tonight we'll be presenting the proposed agreement with jewish family service of san diego for homeless outreach and engagement services this agreement is part of the city's ongoing effort to maintain homeless outreach services in palm desert the city has contracted for home outreach services since 2019 beginning with the county's homeless outreach program in 2023 the city moved to a more direct service outreach model and selected city net as its dedicated outreach provider city has been a a valued partner however the current agreement has no remaining renewal options after june 30th of this month and staff new service costs were going to increase and staff wanted to make sure that we did not have an interruption in services in this upcoming fiscal year so in december of uh of last year staff issued a formal request for proposals and that process has led us to tonight the rfp process maintained the same scope of core scope services the city has had with city net uh two full outreach workers covering street outreach case management housing navigation and service referrals the city received six proposals three were interviewed and with jewish family services uh being selected the annual also we set the uh the budget did not to exceed amount of 200 000 funded through the city's opioid settlement fund with no reduction in services the uh and just for added context uh kind of the operational hours uh the service hours are staying the same both city net and jewish family services are structured around the 40 hours a week monday through friday uh with a small difference within the jewish family service agreement schedules uh include flexibility as coordinated by the city which gives us more uh ability to adjust coverage when commuter needs come up and you know uh through this rfp process staff evaluated um which provider was the best fit for the city's next phase of outreach and jewish family services uh was selected based on all the uh the overall strength of the proposal uh including its staffing model its service approach regional experience and the ability to coordinate with city staff and service partners and with that i will pass it over to pedro good afternoon mayor members of the city council pedro rodriguez code compliance and support services manager i'd like to touch on the improvements and field responses so over the last three years of working with our outreach teams we've learned that there's some areas where we can improve and our opportunities to strengthen our homeless outreach efforts so as a result of that we're strengthening coordination with code compliance public safety the outreach teams to ensure a more effective and consistent coordinated response throughout the community we're also strengthening that partnership with our law enforcement teams for the outreach teams to have a collaborative outreach that addresses the community concerns while ensuring that individuals experiencing homelessness are connected with their services and resources and it promotes a much safer and efficient coordinated field operations because there's times where individuals are just a little bit more resistant to services in their um the need for law enforcement to come by and also just keep the peace while the outreach workers conduct their work and provide the outreach services that are necessary and sometimes that's effective having law enforcement out there to keep the peace while they do the work it's an important function to have our law enforcement partners out there with us so um with this approach as we move forward uh the city will continue to evaluate the program outcomes and strengthen our partnerships and identify any opportunities to improve over the next three years with our new service provider um and object the obviously the city's objective is to maintain a balanced and consistent response that supports the compassionate outreach while preserving the public health and safety of the quality of life for the community and uh this sorry oops so staff has requested approval of the jewish family services of the san diego professional service agreement in the amount not to exceed two hundred thousand dollars annually with the two optional one year extensions very good thank you for the report and before i open it up to um council comment and discussion um i'm gonna ask for public comment i don't have any blue cards are there any online no online comments all right very good so we are we'll start with uh council discussion or questions rather of staff if you have any i see the scope of services includes a uh by name list does city net do that or have they kept a by name list as well yes oh they have all right i was just just curious council member moreno thank you mayor um i was wondering um the reason that this rfp did not require the lowest cost proposal to be um accepted i know that's standard so this one just stuck out a little for me yeah no i think it was not necessarily based on who's the best the lowest proposer it was just overall score and who had the best service okay and in terms of of that i did notice um right before the meeting started i was going through and i noticed that it was only a two point difference between the the top two scores that were awarded um and whereas you know jewish family services has an excellent reputation my families use their services a lot of loved ones have used their services i did think it was um kind of peculiar um that if we look at our agenda it is it's page 528 on our agenda and i think it's on page two of the provider qualifications list and they were requested to provide um this reference provide a list of contracts similar in scope and function including brief program description participation name contact info etc first one listed is cvag for providing residents and permanent supportive housing programs so we know for example housing first iehp for providing um support to homeless iehp members that iehp referred to them and the third one is jewish family services of the desert and that seemed a little odd to me because if you've had 20 years of of service um i don't know i imagine there's a list of i don't know like 182 or something that you would know these are trusted partners especially if you've worked within riverside and uh san diego counties um so that seems a little interesting that their scope there it says that they provide behavioral services um to program participants as well as training staff with behavioral health supports training so that seems to me like it's just cross training from one division to another um is there a reason that they weren't required to provide somebody that's external um i don't know i think it's said that they've been working with the palm springs um they cited 2011 2016 ongoing with says they have a long history in the desert in their application but i it just didn't sit right with me um so do you have any insight on that or is from the applicant that you can help elaborate so jewish family services of san diego and jewish family services with the desert are two complete different entities okay they are not the same okay so they are in no way affiliated no okay yeah it still strikes me as interesting that their references are somebody that provides training for them not the same kind of scope where you're asking for outreach to homeless individuals because you should already be training your own staff so that did um stick out to me would that have made um is the scoring of the references a factor that could have shifted those two points no i don't i don't i don't believe so in this case okay thank you okay any other questions for my colleagues oh how's my horny i i apologize i was just going to say what mr tenorio said the fact is those are two separate entities completely uh but i i was having trouble with my uh computer putting that hand down but he answered it perfectly terrific any comments from my colleagues i'm glad you guys worked out some flexible hours to include times when that's necessary i think it's it would be a wonderful uh opportunity to work with the jewish community center all right well then i will move approval second council member harnick yes council member moreno yes council member nestandy yes mayor pro tempur ditto yes and mayor trooper yes motion passes five to zero all right on to item 10d which is consideration of an extension to the temporary outdoor dining deck program and direction to evaluate a permanent outdoor dining program we have a staff report for mr carlos flores good evening honorable mayor members of the city council carlos flores development services here to to provide an update on our outdoor dining program all right today's staff is asking for uh two actions from the city council the first one being to direct staff to evaluate a permanent outdoor dining program and then to extend our temporary program for existing compliant operators through june 30th of 2027. i i wanted to start just by saying and reiterating that when we're talking about the program today and our temporary program we're talking specifically about the temporary program that started in 2020 as a covet related response and applies only to outdoor dining within the public right of way this is insofar as outdoor dining on private property that not only exists but will continue to exist not just in our downtown areas but also if you've seen up on cook street in the university village area outdoor dining will continue to remain and have processes within our system within our city sorry but today we were talking about our temporary program that is within public right of way so here is just the timeline that was in your report um you know throughout the the past several years since 2020 council has extended the program a couple times the existing expiration date of our temporary program is june 30th of 2026 so just a few weeks from now back in march the city council received an update on the program subsequent to that the subcommittee met with city staff a few times to talk through a permanent program and made some headways on the possibilities of a permanent program and so we're here today to talk through that and see if an extension of our temporary program would suffice afterwards so again staff um along the subcommittee made progress on a um actually i'm going to pause you for a moment i see council member harnick has her hand raised sorry is that the old one oh okay well then i guess sorry sorry jan i guess i'll ignore the hand up okay sorry carlos please proceed all right so the the permanent program which again today in front of you we are not asking for um full formal approval of a permanent program but more direction to proceed in exploring it um the the term for it that we're looking at is a pedestal paver system and it would be focused solely on al paseo what this is you see some examples of what we're talking about here with the pedestal paver system that doesn't require drilling into the street or into the sidewalk but as soon as a system that allows drainage underneath um if we are to explore this it would take about nine to twelve months for staff to look at design standards accessibility drainage and also we're looking at all of our agreements and lease rates to make sure that we reduce the city liability one of the early challenges that we looked at is how the edge material would look at would look like on this system and again reiterating this would only be for outdoor dining that requires a restaurant to encroach into our right of way here are some other examples that we're talking about here so on the left hand side you see um you know an example of extension of our side of a sidewalk um to allow for outdoor dining on the right hand side you see um this is actually a kitchen 86 um it's not exactly the system that would be installed but an idea of what it looks like to stick out the sidewalk to accommodate for outdoor dining so current program status so highlighting three of three restaurant operators so kitchen 86 located in al paseo is currently compliant and operational pizza vino had a compliant temporary use permit but has now been taken down and little bar located on highway 111 has a dining deck up but still some final items and application to be deemed compliant so our request and suggestion today is that if council is to proceed with direction on a permanent program that in order to continue past June 30th and anyone so kitchen 86 or little bar if they want to continue they would have to um resatisfy all application requirements and get property loan approval by June 30th 2026. if they do they do not get it by June 30th our recommendation would be that they would have to remove it starting in July so our recommendation here so uh the first recommendation would be to direct staff to evaluate a permanent outdoor dining program within the public right-of-way and if so to extend the temporary program for existing compliant operators through June 30th of next year if approved our next steps would be working with kitchen 86 and little bar and if they meet the necessary approvals and agreements then extend their approvals until June 30th of next year in the meantime staff would work on exploring a permanent design and meet with our subcommittee with recommendations and program framework and ultimately if we have a formal proposal that we want to move forward with come back to the city council for approval includes my presentation happy to answer any questions okay before i turn it back to council questions and discussion i'm going to open up for public comment and i do have one blue card here from mr skip page hi good afternoon so um i know most of you my name is skip page i own little bar on highway 111 there um i want to keep the deck it's awesome i know you guys know this you got 100 emails from people that love going there when we first built the deck in 2021 i built it to code i built it exactly like they wanted it they approved the city approved it there was no problem on november of 2023 the program was extended through the end of this month okay and some certain deck guidelines were adopted that was three years ago here's the deck guidelines i built my deck exactly to these guidelines exactly to these guidelines okay all good two years go by every year they come out they inspect my deck they approve i get a permit i pay a fee and then in october i get an email from carlos flores that says he's reaching out and that the city council approved an extension of the dining deck program the 2026 and that we need an updated application and fees and insurance he says i do not anticipate a significant revision to your deck as it currently stands however we do need the updated application requirements including insurances to continue to allow it i immediately pay the fee i immediately get the insurance send it to the city all good 30 days later i got to tear my deck down because i'm not compliant i don't the barriers i use are not approved but they are because i have the design guidelines and it was approved for two years before and i got to tear my deck down so you know we all spent the last six months fighting and which i don't love but fighting i got an email from the city attorney that says you got to take your deck down june 30th so i i give into it okay i got to take my deck down nobody wants me to take deck down everybody loves that thing right a couple weeks ago i get a call from kitchen 86 he says hey carlos called said don't tear the deck down they're going to reconsider and extend it for one year and i go oh why nobody asked me so after a couple phone calls i find out that you know nobody asked me because they said i wanted to take the deck down and i don't have approval of my landlord that's not true i got approval of my landlord right my landlord is 90 years old he doesn't want any responsibility or anything he's cool with the with the deck he hasn't complained in five years about the deck so my landlord's cool so i feel like i'm just being treated unfairly people like what i have i operate i'm a good operator i keep it clean it's well maintained i pay my fees but i'm not getting a fair shake and i i want the deck and here's the thing i'll pay rent we have the three minute okay thank you mr page thanks appreciate it okay any online comments no online comments all right thank you very much and i will now open it up to questions from my colleagues i see council member harnick has her hand raised i think this is thank you i and this is just a question i know that we have uh we've extended it every actually you know skip gave a pretty good account of of the timeline but my question is we keep asking what's the state gonna do we can do it whatever we want if the state flips on us where do we go and i didn't see anything and maybe i missed it in the staff report about where we are legislatively on the on the decks yeah so the state did um extend the um allowance for this until until 2029. oh okay i you know i may have just skimmed over and missed that okay it was not it was not in the staff report admittedly but they we that that was something we checked and they did extend it and okay so go ahead sorry oh i i have a another question i'd like to ask and uh and i also have comments but it kind of seems reasonable to me that if someone has a deck that is functioning that is safe and that is aesthetically reasonable that perhaps there is an answer like we do use so often in government when there are standards changed we say okay the standards that you currently are using now and you've complied with that we asked you to comply with are fine until you change something then you must go with the new standards and that kind of seems like a reasonable way to go it's just a thought now could we do that or is there a reason okay watch me turn this into a question question is there a reason that can't be done i'm so is your question that if someone has an existing basically grandfather it until there's a change and then they have to they have to upgrade or change to the new standard so um i'll answer in two parts there was one um so originally this program started there wasn't guidelines and as part of the progression of this program the the direction received was um in updating the guidelines and in working with operators to meet them special specifically with safety that's for the design component um which yes working working with them the other component though is on um you know there's an addition of lease rates and agreements and insurance and a renewal of applications which is another component which isn't necessarily changing the design but is a requirement that we still ask of all operators regardless of a design change that's it's a long way of saying that it that we're not asking for a redesign more so than um you know increasing i'm sorry our um having more agreements in place for our liability purposes. - Okay. Council member Hornick, any further questions? - Yeah, I, really, I'm just not quite clear on the answer, excuse me, can you explain that to me again, please? 'Cause I can-- - Yeah, so your question, if I understand it correctly right, is that if someone had, say someone had a DEC to, and even though we made updates to the program to continue it, some of the updates that we made to the program were design related, so once or twice, we made updates to our design requirements. Other updates to the program were more on the renewal of a temporary use permit, since those were only at an annual basis, as well as requiring a lease, and agreements associated with that, which includes insurances. So those were updates to the programs that we asked all operators to renew, that wasn't necessarily design related. Also, one part of this program, right, was that specifically in Officeo, they all had to take them down and rebuild. So-- - Right. - Yes, there is certain, and there was a lot of work between staff and operators on the design component, where we weren't going out there to try to make them completely redesign, even with new guidelines, but we were making sure that all of our agreements were up to date, and we were asking for agreements that were different from 2020, additional from 2020, 2021, to reduce liability. - Okay, so what I thought I understood Mr. Page say was the only thing where he wasn't compliant was the design. Am I wrong there? - There are more areas that there's not compliant, and it's not just on the design. - Okay. - If I may, Mayor, following up on Councilman Harnick's questions, I think, Carlos, the way I read the recommendation is almost, as Councilman Harnick suggested, the grandfathering, because if they're in compliance, we're grandfathering them for another year. Am I, is that my-- - Correct, there's no recommendation to change design. It's everything as it's existed for years now. - And then I do wanna touch on the legislation part. The extension relates to temporary outdoor dining, but the state also passed legislation years ago that the ABC finally passed the regulation that implements a permanent solution. So there's kind of two things going on, right? So we're talking about a temporary thing. That will eventually go away. The state wants it to go away. But then there's the ABC regulation that has more stringent requirements on line of sight and safety protocols. And that's really the long term we're looking at, right? - Correct, on both fronts. - Okay, so the other question I have, and I did talk to Mr. Page about the ownership permission issue, 'cause I think that's the major hurdle of noncompliance, and I did ask staff, why is it important that the landowner take responsibility affirmatively through a letter, not just acknowledging the deck, but saying I take responsibility for the deck? Can you remind me why that's important? - It's important, it's part of the agreements that we have, and it's important in so far as if there's any claim or incident that happens there, that we have to work to make sure that everyone's clear on who approved it. That's the biggest and most straightforward part of it is that our, it's an encroachment agreement that we are, or alike that we're agreeing to, and someone has to take ownership. When we go, if something happens on a property, or something happens, you know, code compliance gets called out for anything and everything, it's the property owner that we are working with and sending notice of violations to, so we have to make sure that they agree to it. - So since I'm simple here, we're letting people, we're giving operators permission to serve alcohol on public property. If something happens on that public property, we'll be amongst the people likely sued or entity sued, right? Is that-- - Correct. - Or anything else? - It could be. - And if we're on the hook, then we also want some way to have recourse to recover whatever we can, including potentially leaning the real property. Is that correct? - We want to reduce our liability and it's similar to what we do when we offer, when we issue encroachment permits. We allow people to work or do something within the public right of way, but we are shifting the liability and burden onto the person doing that work. - Council member, just stand here. - Yes, okay, so I'm trying to grasp all this now because the more I hear you explain things and council member Harnick's questions and hearing the comments from our little bar operator. And I know I've been a part of this. When did we change the design standard? Was that in October or which meeting are approximate? - So going through here. - So in 2021, council directed staff and at that time they worked with ARC to do design guidelines at that time. - Okay, so it's 2021 approximately then. - That was for the design guidelines. After that, there were multiple updates to the program, not just to design, but more to the requirements, including like the lease rates and application requirements. But in terms of Little Bar, it's not that his design doesn't meet our standards. It's these other issues related to insurance liability. Is that correct? - It's all there. There was a design component that we were working with, not just Little Bar, but others at the time to improve the safety specifically around K rails. - But there's only two restaurants now. So we're- - Correct. - Yeah, so I'm gonna focus on the two restaurants. So Little Bar complied to all the design standards. When did it deviate? When did Little Bar deviate from the design standards? - When they renewed their application over the last year. So that was, they believe they applied November, 2025. We got a reapplication for the temporary use permit. And we, the K rails was a specific item we wanted them to add. So that was a design component. And then the rest of the application component that was not meeting it was more to do with the landlord approval and agreements associated with that. - Okay, so for example then, they need, you, we need as a city for liability a letter from the landlord. Is that correct? - Approving it, correct. - Yes, okay. And potentially we as a city council could grandfather in the design standards that we've already approved. - Correct. - So that helps me clarify Little Bar. And then we're left with Kitchen 86 in my humble opinion. - Council Member Moreno. - So I think that we've all pretty much heard that it's not anything aesthetic. That what we're looking at are the legal issues and how to protect the city overall. - My question on this, if Little Bar were to submit their application at 6:30 at 4:58 PM, since that's the deadline, how long would it take staff to turn around and approve it? Would there be an extension? Because submitting something versus approval by, how much leeway would the city give the applicant? - We, we, we'd certainly have a grace period. I think the items here honestly does not take staff a lot of time to do an initial completeness review to say do we have the application requirements that we need. It would take us some time to go through agreements, but we'd have some sort of grace period. - So at this point, if it's just the letter and maybe something minor, it's kind of like a fix it ticket from their current application? - Well with that-- - Sorry, not ticket, there's no monetary thing. I was just thinking in terms of fix it, sorry. - There is a, there is still a financial component because there's the lease agreement. There's, yeah, there, sorry, the lease agreement and the financial part associated with that. So it's not, you know, simply just a landlord approval, although that would be a big item to check off for us to feel comfortable moving forward. - Okay. So it's the, so what exactly is outstanding, right? What is it, a list of 30 things and they're just missing three? How close to that completion is it? - One second. - 'Cause up here it sounds pretty simple, right? It's just these, it sounds like just a few things, but I don't know what it, are all of the details that you're looking for to help make a determination of whether it would pass or not. - Mayor and Council, as Carlos gets those additional details, I think that the primary item is if we get the letter of approval from the property owner, if we have that in hand, that gives us indication that we can work through the remaining items. - Okay, perfect. That's correct. And that's the extent of it. And that helps us guide through agreements. Because technically there's items missing in terms of a lease agreement and all of those, but that all stems from that part. It's not an extensive list, as you talked about, in terms of design that they have to redesign, and it's not an extensive list. - It's like a good faith step. Okay. And in the subcommittee, there was a comment that there were comments that were received by the community. I don't know if the subcommittee or anybody remembers. Was it a little bit? Was it a lot similar to what we're getting in email? - Yeah, that's a public comment received by email, which it's about 45 to 50 comments. - Were they for the subcommittee meeting? - We didn't get any public comments specific to the subcommittee. It's all just the public comments received for counsel. - And as far as the pavers, when I saw here that said edge material may be a challenge, I assume that may have been in terms of the type of material or procurement. So it's aesthetic about how to incorporate it, or what's the challenge? - The challenge is, so if you imagine a sidewalk, right? It has a curb edge to it, and that allows for proper drainage. Here on a paver system, it's about how do we design that that meets drainage, but also is aesthetically acceptable. Trying to avoid having to build something rather tall. That maybe something tall serves drainage purposes, but is not as aesthetically pleasing. But also you don't want something that isn't allowing for the drainage as necessary, and is still safe for pedestrians as they walk by. So it's finding that balance, that's kind of where that challenge is at, that we have to explore. And this whole entire cost of the pavers would be then paid by the operator? - That's something that we, that's likely our suggestion, but that's something that we want to explore because again, until we get more detail on how much that would cost, and what our options are financially. That, that's why I really looking, we're looking for today is exploration. - Mm-hmm. And did the subcommittee discuss the potential of having those, those papers just all along El Paseo, or was it strictly confined to the discussion of Kitchen 86, or any other El Paseo applicants? - I believe the idea, and I don't want to speak to intent for the subcommittee, but my understanding is, this would be eligible for anyone on, on El Paseo, if, if they met their requirements. Those operators, the, the idea for Kitchen 86 was basically that they could keep their existing one, and they'd be, obviously since they have one up right now, they'd be one of the operators that we'd target, to see if they're interested in transition to a permanent program for this. But that, that, those details again would be, could be figured out through more subcommittee meetings, as well as coming back, to see if we want to make it up and down off El Paseo, reduce the parameters, target certain businesses, or the like. - And if the program is terminated, would this have created any damage to the street, that then the city would have to be responsible for repairing the, the road work? - So, you're talking about the, if the program is terminated today? - Correct. Let's say hypothetically, right, we, we say, let's move ahead, and the pavers are, are set in place, and then for whatever reason, things change, and it has to be taken down. Although it said that there is no drilling required, would it still have any damage to the road, to where we would then have the additional financial requirement to go and, you know, patch it up without band-aids or whatnot? - That's, that's a good comment, and something that we've wanted to think through and tackle on two fronts. One being, yes, how it's designed, wanted to minimize the, the potential damage, but also making sure that all the agreements that an operator agrees to and signs off on, has language saying that they are to repair anything that, that is damaged. So there, there's two abilities there, as well as any, you know, financial considerations that we can have to, to repair as needed. - Okay. And what is the material made of? What are the papers made of? - We haven't gotten into that detail of what, of what type, if we want to be that specific, or, you know, offer a menu. We haven't gotten into that, but yeah, that's definitely something we'll think through. - Yeah, perfect. That was, I was just thinking in terms of, you know, what's true heat and if something had already been, been chosen. So those are my questions. Thank you so much. Okay. Go back to council member Hornick. - Thank you so much. I, I got first, I do want, I'm going to make a quick comment. I think that the pedestal paver system that you showed us and I'm on a small computer, so it's hard for me to see with the detail that certainly you have the luxury of in the council chambers, they look great. And, you know, I would have no objection to that. I want to go back, Carlos. I'm not clear on the K rail. My understanding of K rail is that's about safety. So can you help me understand what you were saying earlier about K rail? - What I was saying was, and it wasn't just with Little Bar, but there was a few other decks that we identified that we wanted to improve the safety. 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Recording in progress Recording in progress Recording in progress Recording in progress We'll pay attention now. I'd like to call the meeting to order. We have the roll call. Committee member Grant? Present. Committee member Hauer? Here. Committee member Mitzi? Here. Committee member Simley? Here. And chair Boren? Here. We have a quorum. Committee member Rose is absent and committee member Flint is excused. Okay. Thank you. This time has been set aside for the public to address the cultural arts committee on issues that are not on the agenda for up to three minutes. Because the Brown Act does not allow the committee to act on items not listed on the agenda, members may briefly respond or refer the matter to staff for a report and recommendation at a future meeting. Do we have anyone joining us? We do have one member of the public present on Zoom. If you'd like to provide public comment, please use the raise hand function at the bottom of your screen. If you're joining by phone, you can press star nine to be added to the queue. And can we have the identification of that person who is joining us? It looks like it is Mark Talkington. He typically does not make public comment. I believe he's here to take notes for the media. Okay. And also to correct the record, committee member Rose is excused, not absent. Okay. Thank you. Okay. We all have had access to the agenda and we're looking at the consent calendar and the minutes from our previous meeting. Were there any corrections or additions to the minutes? Okay. Then I ask for a motion to accept the consent calendar and a minutes as presented. I'll move. This is Mitzi. I'll move to accept the minutes and the consent calendar. And a second. Committee member Grant, I'll second. Okay. Committee member Mitzi? Yes. Committee member Hauer? Yes. Committee member Grant? Yes. Committee member Simley? Yes. Committee member Simley? Yes. Chair Boren? Yes. Yes. Five-zero. Okay. Moving to item five, business items. Items listed in this section are presented for the committee's review in action. The committee may provide direction, request additional information, or take action as appropriate. The chairperson will provide an opportunity for public comment following each staff report. Members of the public may comment on each item subject to a three-minute time limit per speaker. The committee will not enter discussion with speakers, but may refer to staff for additional information. Do we have a representative from the plein air festival? We do. Thank you. Thank you, Chair Boren. Following the success of the 2025 California desert plein air festival, the city of Palm Desert served as the title sponsor of the 2026 event. Palm Springs life and the desert plein air association will provide an overview of the festival's accomplishments. Today we have Paulina Larson from Palm Springs life and she will be giving an overview. I'm going to share her presentation that she has brought copies for you today. I'm going to share on screen so you may see up here. Erica, can we have the last name again? Paulina Larson. Larson, thank you. Let's see if I can get this large. Whoops. Where did it go? Oh, thank you. Thank you. I use my screen. Good morning, everybody. And thank you so much for allowing me to come here today. If you recall, I was here a few months ago talking to you about desert plein air festival, which is an event that is owned and operated by the desert plein air association, a nonprofit organization that we are supporting. And the reason why we came to you with this opportunity is in assisting them in their marketing efforts. They've come to us and they said, which city should we partner to bring this event and really be able to position top artists in their cities and really play off all the media and marketing that this event allowed. And so our number one recommendation was the city of Palm Desert because of your intention of our public art on the street and everything that you do. And so last year, you sponsored this event along with the city of Palm Desert and every sponsor that we bring on board. It is always very important for us to come back after the event wraps up and be able to report on what we were able to accomplish. And the purpose of me being here today is to show you what we were able to do in the 2026 event and sort of answer any questions that you may have. But this was really the first year where we were able to redefine the event. We renamed it Palm Desert California Desert Plain Air Festival, giving people a sense of place and being able again to really position Palm Desert front and center. So before I start with my presentation, I just want to show you just one of the press clips that came out because I thought it really was able to paint the picture in terms of what this event can do in terms of a destination marketing, but also to the support and the backing that the city provides for the for the art community. And so before I jump in, I'm going to have Erica play that for you. I think I'll just play for 10 seconds and then I'll move over. I think we have to go back. I think it will. I think it will. It came to life. One stroke in time. This morning, artists like the street, part of the Desert Plain Air Festival, a celebration of eating outdoors where the inspiration is to rest from the surroundings. Closed by the Desert Plain Air Association and sponsored by the state of the festival. The festival runs January 8th and February 1st. Three artists in the public together in real time. what i've noticed in watching in the public walk by so many people from me to see people will be walking like they're on their way to get breakfast or lunch or whatever and they'll see an artist painting outdoors and it's like they stop and our mouth drops open look at that and for those just passing by from the experience in the media just um i just marvel at what they can do and i just really love them because they're here on this video artists work in a range of styles from paint to pastel each interpreting our field and nabbing spaces i grew up here um so it's like kind of a new way of seeing my surroundings you know i'd like it older and like appreciating our natural world i wanted to share that piece of media because i think it captured really the spirit of of desert plein air festival this year the 2026 event as you know as you heard it kicked off january 8th and it concluded on february 1st so it had various activations we had three dedicated activations on el paseo one of them was what was featured um we were really excited because based on your input you wanted us to spread really all the activations and we presented this to the el paseo board and they were extremely welcoming of these artists and we were able to do as you saw at the gardens on el paseo and activation we also did one at the shops on el paseo and then uh diane who unfortunately is not here today she's on vacation she was able to do a third activation on el paseo but the interesting part about that activation was that she placed artists inside the stores and from the stores they had a vantage point and created a lot of great art but a lot of attendees that were dining or visiting art galleries were able to come in and see an artist in action which i thought was really interesting so thank you for your guidance on there um in addition to el paseo focus we also went to the living desert and did several paint outs we also selected the ironwood park and we also did another activation so that was really excited so um artist foreign ear came to palm desert for a dynamic three-week festival i'm really excited to share with you some of the testimonials on page three these testimonials are from two audiences attendees but also artists this is the interesting part about this event is that we want to draw in the artist community we want to get them to love palm desert and really make this a destination for them but we also want attendees right people who come to palm desert to vacation or people who live here part-time and full-time we want them to be able to experience the festival so i'll share those testimonials but nationally acclaimed artists this year we had more than 12 nationally acclaimed artists which is great one of the things that we know is very important is that in order for the festival to get recognition regionally and nationally we have to attract the best artist in plain air and so this for us is always a really big number um and if we're able to attract the national artist then we know more will follow and so that was really exciting and so you can see on page uh for those exact artists and where they came from um you can see very representations from other parts of california um which again is a really great mix um and then you also could see all the different categories that the festival also created for these artists in terms of the awards um and so that is there for you to review but i think what i mostly want to focus in is the highlights which is on page five um this year's festival drew in 3421 attendees um i don't have last year's or yet the previous year's numbers to compare and that's because they weren't really captured before but now since we're jumping on and assisting with a lot of it we'll have these attendance number year over year to show you where we're tracking but um i think these are fantastic numbers uh giving that it's a month-long event given that it's a lot of uh there's a mix of free community events that people can attend as well as a exhibition that goes on for two to three weeks so um and again that's addition to the uh different activations that take place in in and in uh throughout palm desert and beyond so we're really proud of this attendance number also we were able to capture a lot of media as you saw and press as a result of this event we were able to send out press releases we were able to work with other desert plain air associations and media magazines in addition to obviously palm springs life and all of our publishing that we do we were able to really precision desert plain air front and center so um we're really proud we were able to uh garner uh 200 over 200 000 in media that was not paid that was earned media based on uh the notoriety of the event and we had over 900 collections across print digital social media television as you saw so this was a really great recognition because every time we promoted desert plain air palm desert was front and center um pauline can i ask a question here before i forget you uh talk about the attendance number how is that attendance gathered i mean i i see people standing around watching but what were the points at which you counted attendance and that's a really great question um so this year one of the things that we did is at the um at the two to three week exhibition in palm desert everybody was captured so they they had a person that was kind of clicking every time it's not a unique number so it could have been repeat so if somebody came and saw a piece of art maybe didn't buy it went home thought about it came back we did count that person twice there was just no way um for ticketed events tickets that required um a purchase we did also capture registration so we were able to gather what came through the door and that was captured plus ticketed events and again that's also not unique because somebody could have bought two tickets to an art exhibit and then also to another um and then the other was diane was taking as people were coming in she was trying to keep count of how many people um there's definitely not a unique number but unique numbers it's is really hard to capture in events because there's so many activations but those was the ways that these were captured okay thank you i think uh the create center uh the artist council center has played a major role in this festival and we're delighted about that because it really uh exemplifies a lot of what we're about here in palm desert yes i think that relationship has been uh really really beneficial to the festival and um we're already in conversations with them to get them involved this year uh or excuse me for next year but one of the also interesting things that we were able to add on to this festival and i didn't have the opportunity to come tell you this in real time because we were butted up to the festival but we did uh develop a partnership with think together which i don't know if you're familiar with them think together provides um after school programs for kids who um maybe have low income resources and their parents need an activity for them to do after school because they're working and so um diane was able to go into the schools and create curriculum for the students in the spirit of desert plain air so history of this art form and then three different uh activations where students had the opportunity to do their own art um both inside the schools but also we took them out to different locations living in the desert being one of them which they so graciously allowed all the students to come in at no cost and uh if you attended the um exhibition you saw that we had the artists but there was also a wall of student work um and we also integrate them integrated an awards program for the kids because we're as we try to uh create palm desert as an arts mecca and we are attracting these artists we also want to cultivate the next generation of artists and we know that the school system is not necessarily having art programs and so we felt that you know it was very beneficial for us to start bridging that gap and bringing them in and so um the response is really incredible and think together really stepped up to the plate and helped us with the student outreach which is not always easy when you have such a time short time frame and so partnering with them allowed us direct and easy access to those students and so our hope would be that as we continue to partner with the art center or with other institutions in palm desert that we're able to also celebrate those students that are part of the festival what were the schools that were involved or did you target just one um no that's an excellent question we targeted the schools that think together was in just because it was an easier entry point um desert mirage uh middle school and i should also say uh we started with middle school as our pilot program reason being uh based on our conversations with think together they were probably the a better age group for this type of art um so and uh desert mirage and i think um desert hot springs and cathedral city middle schools in those cities i don't know the names but i can get you that list following uh following but none were palm desert schools no i don't believe there were um but this is a year where we have a lot more time and think together is also expanding their footprint and so we will be approaching all coachella valley schools okay that would be our hope does sing together just extend up to middle school it doesn't go to high school they do um but they felt that given it being a first year and it would be better to start with middle schoolers because they would be more interested in this type of art form to start and then expanding on that. That was their recommendation. I would hope that we would be able to capture some of our high school students in the future. No, I agree with you. We did some, Frank Jones and myself, we did a little bit of research and we attended some festivals in Laguna Beach and Santa Barbara just to see how they were doing. And our goal would be that you come in and you see the kindergarten wall, you see the first grade, the second grade wall, the third. So that's the hope, that we can bring all grade levels because it's definitely appropriate. But we needed to start somewhere and that was our start. But absolutely, and we love that you are encouraging us to do that because that's what we're going to move forward with. And the student component is also really important to the media and PR value because it's not just, hey, we're having an art festival. It's we're also doing a lot more with this art festival and bringing artisan. And so it's a win-win for everybody. Thank you, Pauline. Yeah. Oh, and so in the following pages of this recap, I just wanted to, I captured some of the print editorial that was received, the digital editorial, the social media, the broadcast editorial, as you saw, and then some of the advertising that Palm Springs Life donated, as well as some of the art insertions that we did with Plain Air Magazine. And those were things that did come out of the budget and we did place those ads. But again, we felt that that's important to talk to the artist community. So my goal was to just share with you this and tell you thank you so much for your support. As mentioned, we are currently planning, we're currently planning the 2027 event. And so what I went ahead and did is I, on page, oh, actually, I'm just going to, if you look at page 7 through 17 through the, through 18, you'll see some of those student activations of FIA. But on page 20, you can see that we are already starting our schedule of events. And so you can see that one of the things that we're going to be working on is also doing pre-events. So we don't think that Desert Plain Air Festival needs to be something that we just celebrate in January. We, based on the artist's response, we can do paintouts with artists in the fall. We can do paintouts with the artists in the mornings on and during the summers. And so we are already committed to doing some events. And we're also going to expand the footprint of those events because, again, we want to be able to position Palm Desert front and center, but we want to take in the beauty of the valley. So we're doing one on November 6th during Art Walk. We're going to be doing one on El Paseo. We're going to be doing another Coachella Valley History Museum and then Shield State Garden. Those are also beautiful events and that allows to expand the footprint. And then we're looking at an initial schedule here. But your feedback is always very important because I will take that back to Diane, who's producing it, and we can add additional elements to it. But thank you for your support. And I'm here to answer any questions you have. Yes? You've mentioned this before, and I'm sure it's in your beautifully produced presentation. Thank you. I've forgotten. How do you solicit the artist to participate? Schoolchildren versus adults? Schoolchildren versus adults. That's a great question. So Desert Plain Air Association, who's a nonprofit entity, Diane Moore, she does an initial outreach in November and October. She has a hit list of basically who are the top artists in Desert Plain Air, and she does a solicitation letter that she mails to each one of them. She also has a very robust board that's very invested in this category of art. And so a lot of the board members get on the phone with these artists and their contacts to get them to come to Palm Desert, experience Palm Desert. And then from that point, there is a, on the Desert Plain Air Association website, there is an entry. So every artist must come in and submit an information about their art and all the data that needs to be captured in order for them to be entered into those categories and invited in. So a novice would still have to fill out the form and could or could not be admitted as one of the artists in this? That's an excellent point. So you, anyone can participate. It just depends if they want to enter these categories. So very interesting. One of the young women that was featured there on the NBC, she's actually local. I met her at the artist center and I'm like, wow, how did you pick this up? And she actually started this during the pandemic. She was at home alone and decided to, you know, went to one of the Desert Plain Air events pre-COVID and decided she wanted to pick this up. So someone like her, she was welcomed. Everybody, there's, you have a lot of artists that just follow the circuit without being, without entering because they love that world. And so I don't believe anybody is turned away. They're just sort of guided to which category they would be a good fit for. And that's why we also have paint outs. So everybody can sort of experience the destination. So if you want to have a paint out in Palm Desert, you can keep your art or you can submit it and it can be part of the festival and help raise funds for the association. Pauline, one other question on page 20 where you talk about the pre-schedule of events, things that are leading up to that are still continuing this year. You've got in October, November, December. Are those going to be represented in Palm Springs Live advertising at all? Yes, absolutely. What we're going to be doing, those are going to be considered public interfacing events just to get the, help us raise awareness of the festival. So yes, it will be included on our calendar of events and the guide and various media. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you, Pauline. At a future meeting, I'll bring a staff report forward for this next year's event. Yes. And we're also working on a recap video and I'm sorry it wasn't here today, but you'll have it soon. And you can see we sent some editors from our team to come and capture the event because we also want to talk to, you know, other artists and video form is an excellent form to show them how beautiful Palm Desert is. And so I want to make sure that you guys all have a link to that and that you can share it. But thank you very much for your support. It truly means a lot for the festival and for the artists that come here. Thank you so much for coming today. Thank you. Okay. Let's move on to 5B. Do we need a motion to receive a file? Okay. Thank you. Okay. Nope. Okay. Good. A call for artists civic center dog park public mural project. Okay. Erica. Change hats here. Okay. The item before you is a recommendation to support the release of a call for artists for a public mural project at the civic center dog park. And to recommend that the city council approve a project budget of $40,000 for all associated project costs. This project originated from a resident suggestion to create a community dog mural that celebrates the pets and families who use the dog park. The concept includes inviting residents to submit photographs of their dogs for possible inclusion in the final artwork. Staff believes this project presents a unique place making opportunity that would enhance the visual character of the civic center dog park while creating a meaningful public art piece that reflects our community. As part of our research, staff reviewed similar dog themed public art and mural projects in California and other communities including Sacramento, Reno, and Austin. These projects successfully combined community participation with professional artistic oversight to create high quality and durable public artworks. Staff evaluated two potential mural locations at the dog park. The first location is east facing, the east facing wall along San Pablo Avenue, which is approximately 100 feet long. The second location is the west facing wall adjacent to the civic center parking lot, which is also approximately 100 feet long. The evaluating, after evaluating both sites, staff recommends the east facing wall along San Pablo Avenue as the preferred location because it offers great visibility to both park visitors and traveling public along San Pablo, allowing the artwork to have the greatest community impact. The proposed project would include several components. A professionally designed and executed mural, a community submission process where residents can submit photographs of their dogs, and possibly cats. The selection of featured dogs by artists for inclusion in the final composition, potential inclusion of dog names within the artwork where feasible, and opportunities for supervised community participation during portions of the project if determined appropriate by the selected artist. And I'll tell you why in a moment. During our evaluation, staff determined that the wall surface presents technical and logistical challenges that require professional mural expertise, and that is why. For that reason, staff does not recommend fully community painted mural approach. The wall is very porous. Instead, staff recommends issuing a formal call for artists to select a qualified, professional mural artist with expert, sorry, got something in my throat. Artists with experience in large scale exterior murals and community engagement projects. This approach would ensure a high quality and durable final product, address safety and technical considerations, provide artistic cohesion, and allow for a meaningful community participation while maintaining professional standards. The mural would also be designed using materials and protective coatings appropriate for desert climate conditions, including extreme temperatures and sun exposure. The estimated project budget is $40,000. This budget includes artist design fees, wall preparation, installation, protective coatings, equipment, and any and all project related costs. Funding is available within the public art budget. If supported by the committee and subsequently approved by city council, staff would release a call for artists and begin the artist selection process. Staff would then return to the cultural arts committee with a recommended artist and conceptual mural design for future review and consideration. 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Good afternoon. I'd like to call the Architects Review Commission meeting of June 9th, 2026 to order at 1234 p.m. May we have a roll call, please? Absolutely. Commissioner Blakely? Here. Commissioner Gregory? Here. Commissioner Sanchez? Here. Commissioner Bucsic? Here. And Chair McIntosh? Here. Perfect. All members are present. We do have one absence today, and that is Commissioner Lackovic. Thank you very much. Item number one is our non-agenda public comment period. This time has been set aside for the public to address the Architects Review Commission on issues that are not on the agenda for up to three minutes. Because the Brown Act does not allow the Commission to act on items not listed on the agenda, members may briefly respond or refer to the matter to staff for a report and recommendation at a future meeting. will the recording secretary please give instructions for attendees participating virtually? For those via Zoom, if you would like to participate in non -agenda public comment, please use the raise hand button on your computer or smartphone now. Is there anyone wishing to speak, Chair? Chair McIntosh? Boy, that's a bummer. Is there anyone at all wishing to speak just to stay with the script? Nope. All right. All right. All right. Matter two is the consent calendar. All matters listed on the consent calendar are considered routine and may be approved by one motion. The public may comment on any items on the consent agenda within the three-minute time limit. Individual items may be removed by the Architects Review Commission for a separate discussion. approval of the minutes. Approval of the minutes. Was there a review? Everybody, no comments on the review of the minutes from, well, wait a minute. February 10th and May 12th. I didn't. How come there's, how come they're so late? I cannot provide an answer for that. I will have to find out with the recording secretary when she returns tomorrow, but I can give you an answer. It most likely was a realization that it just didn't get approved by the commission, and so it would need to be finalized and approved. Okay. So there wasn't any open items or? No. It was more likely just clerical. Oh, okay. Good. Well, now that that's cleared up, does anybody want to -- Motion to approve. I'll second. Okay. Minutes have been approved. Perfect. Can we just do a roll call vote to solidify that? We've got Commissioner -- or Vice Chair Blakely. Yes. Commissioner Gregory. Yes. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner Vuxik. Aye. And Chair McIntosh. Aye. Motion passes five to zero. Thank you. Okay. There appears to be no business items, so we're going to roll right into public hearings. Okay. First item is consideration to recommend approval of a hill side development plan for a new one-story, 6,700-square-foot single-family residence located at 47780 Cali de los Campesinos. Okay. May we have the staff report, please. Yes. Good afternoon, commissioners. For the record, my name is Bobby Keating, associate planner with the Development Services Department. Today I'll be presenting case number PP25-0001, a hillside development plan for a single-family residence located at 47780 Cali de los Campesinos. Project applicant Michael Haines, representing the architecture firm, has requested approval for a precise plan number, PP25-0001, for a hillside development plan, to construct a new 6,700 square foot single family residence in the hill side plan residential zone. This review is subject to the standards listed in the Palm Desert Municipal Code, Section 25.10.050A, and considers site planning, architecture, grading, and the design response to the terrain and potential visual impacts of the subject property. So this is a vicinity map showing the existing zoning. The project site is highlighted in blue. As previously noted, that's in the hillside plan residential zone, which is also located to the north and west of the site. Immediately west, east of the project site, is an open space zone to accommodate a wash that currently exists there. And across Highway 74 is a R1 single family zone. So here's some photos of the existing conditions of the site. The site is currently vacant and undeveloped. It fronts Calle de los Campesinos, as well as Upper Way West, which is the road, a private road, located just south of the site. Here's another perspective facing west of the project site. You can see the single family neighborhood in the foreground, followed by Highway 74 and then Highway Campesinos, and then the project site in the background. Here's a perspective from Cayet de los Campesinos. And one from Highway 74. So the project site currently has minimal visibility from Highway 74. Here's a perspective looking southwest with the wash in the foreground, which separates the project site from that single family neighborhood and Highway 74. And the project site is highlighted, let's see if you can see my mouse, right here, which is at the base of a hillside, which abuts the project site to the west and north. So the proposed project is located on the northern portion of the site. So there is an easement that accommodates the private road Upper Way West. And there's no development proposed for the southern portion of the site. The site in total is 2.80 acres. And the project includes a main living level, lower level garage and storage, patios, pool, driveway, walls, grading, landscaping, and lighting. Here's a floor plan difficult to see on the screen. But there are a total of four bedrooms proposed, which includes a primary suite. In the center is the both dining and living areas. This floor plan shows the proposed lower level, which is primarily used for storage of vehicles. And here's a front elevation on the east side, showing the primary entrance. And the rear elevation. The side elevation on the north side of the structure. And the side elevation on the south, which also shows the proposed entrance to the lower level garage or car storage area. And here's a front elevation on the north side. And the front elevation on the north side of the north side of the north side of the north. So regarding the architecture, the applicant proposes a contemporary design comprised primarily of low profile residents. The design includes flat roof lines, rectilinear forms, broad horizontal planes, neutral colors, and glazing that is generally oriented towards the internal site and landscape views. The building emphasizes horizontal massing, which allows the structure to sit low against the base of the hillside. And staff finds that the architecture and material approach are generally compatible with the hillside setting and are designed to minimize visual prominence. And we do have a physical materials board here for the commission to review. There are additional perspectives highlighting the architectural intent. There are additional perspectives on the north side of the building. There are additional perspectives on the north side of the hillside. And this is the side of the building. Front perspective. Rear perspective. And this is the front of the building facing northwest. You can see the start of the hillside in the background. And that's the opposite view of the front perspective facing southwest. And this is the front of the building. Here is the entrance to the garage in Port Cochere. Or motor court, I should say. Here is the rear perspective facing northeast. Regarding landscaping, the applicant proposes a mix of palms, yuccas, cacti, agaves, and shrubs that are compatible with the desert landscape. And ground cover would be a mix of two different stones. Regarding lighting, the applicant proposes primarily low l umen and low, structurally low walkway lights. And spotlights for illuminating paths and landscaping. As well as recessed ceiling lighting and wall mounted sc onces. There are no freestanding overhead lights proposed. The project was found compatible with both the underlying zoning and the standards for the hillside. The single family use is permitted. The building pad disturbance of 9,750 square feet is below the 10,000 maximum. As well as the driveway disturbance of 2,500 square feet is below the maximum of 3,000. And the residence is located below the ridge lines at the base of the hillside, which is found to minimize visual impact. So staff found that the required findings of approval for the project. So staff found that the site minimizes hillside disturbance . The proposed architectural and materials blend with the terrain. And final permit review, which would include review by land development, building, and fire, would be reviewed in detail as part of the building permit process following the approval of the entitlement. The meeting was noticed in accordance with the palm desert municipal code, which required a 4,000 foot mailing radius to all property owners. In addition, notice was posted in the desert sun. And a sign was posted at the project site at least 10 days prior to the original public hearing for which this item was continued. And staff recommends the architecture review commission recommend approval of the precise plan. Case number PP25-001 for the construction of a new 6,700 square foot single family residence located at 47780 Cayde Los Campesinos. If recommended for approval, the project would move on to planning commission for their consideration. And who would be potentially recommending approval to the city council, who is the final decision maker on this project. And that concludes staff's presentation. I'm available for your questions. Thank you very much. Did the city adopt the design standards that were being studied last year? And we had a couple meetings about this. So the objective hillside standards were adopted by the city council. And we had a couple meetings about this. And we had a couple meetings about this. And we had a couple meetings about this. And we had a couple meetings about this. And we had a couple meetings about this. And we had a couple meetings about this. 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And then as far as the site itself, it looks like they're exporting 600 cubic yards. So, they're not adding any fill. Okay. Well, that was all the questions I had. I think it's a great looking building. I have another question for the applicant. I'm looking at the site from the entry walk on the right- hand side where the five-foot block wall ends, where you have the five-foot tall iron fence. Are there any restrictions on continuing that plant material to add some screening through that iron fence into the property? Or was that just a decision that was made? That was based on the, the swell and the drainage. So, as opposed to running the plants down in there and causing any backup and so forth. Okay. Thank you. Any other commissioners? I'm seeing none. Any other commissioners? Well, would anybody like to formulate a motion? I guess officially I should close the public hearing. And then if there's any commissioners that would like to put together a motion. Well, I'll make a couple comments. I, yeah, just kind of looking at, at sheet A 1.1 and, and hearing that there's no fill being brought in, it seems like this is a reasonable way to establish a pad. And, and I can actually see the peak of this piece of the mountain in the upper right corner there. That circle is on the topography. So, so this is actually not taking a ton of water, which, which is good, makes it easier, right, to engineer. I think it's a, it's a very handsome project. It's not, it's not up on the mountain somewhere. It's, you know, it's down at the bottom and, and it's nicely designed. And, you know, unfortunately I don't think anybody's going to see it. Yeah. Because it's a really nice looking house. So those are my comments. I'm sure if I may, for the record, just to note that there was no request for a public comment during this time, not from you, but from a member of the public. Okay. So notice was sent out to nobody responded. As of during the meeting currently. Yeah. Okay. Were there any written in comments from the public based on the notification? No, there were not. No. Okay. All right. Uh, commissioner Sanchez, any other comments? No comments for me. All right. Commissioner Gregory. Yep. Commissioner Blakely. Nope. And I have none as well. So were there any conditions of approval on your staff report? Uh, no. No. No. Well, then I would make a motion to approve this project as presented. Second. Vice chair Blakely. Aye. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. There are too many microphones on. If we can turn them off, I'm going to start that over again quickly, just for the record. Commissioner, or vice chair Blakely. Aye. There are too many microphones on. If we can turn them off, I'm going to start that over again quickly, just for the record. Vice chair Blakely. Aye. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner Vucic. Aye. And chair McIntosh. Aye. Motion passes five to zero. Thank you all. Well, congratulations, Mr. Haynes. Thank you for coming in today and presenting this really nice project. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Yeah. You may be excused. I wish they were all that easy. Okay. Moving on to item seven and in for the next meeting, I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. I'm going to start the meeting. 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So the project applicant is Owen Merrick. The project location is 73190 El Paseo Drive. This is a design review approval for proposed facade enhancements for restoration hardware as a modifying an existing storefront. The modifications include architecture, landscape, hards cape, and lighting and increasing the square footage by 752 square feet. So just for some background the project location is northwest of El Paseo and Sage Lane. Here highlighted in red within the vicinity map. So this is the existing southern elevation. The existing square footage is 5588 square feet. The current height is 25 inches. And currently the building is 11 feet from the closest point to the curb. So this is the proposed south elevation. So this is if you're standing on El Paseo. It's very similar to the other locations. The square footage is 6340 square feet with a maximum height of 22 feet. The location of the building is approximately 9 feet and 11 inches from the face of curve. So this is the existing north elevation. So if you're facing south, the rear height currently is at 23 feet and 11 inches, approximately 13 feet set back. So this is the height at the rear height is going to be 25 feet and 11 inches. And from the face of curb, this is a 5 foot set back. So this is the way that the building is going to be laid out. This is the floor plan showing the location. The majority of it is retail space as a furniture showroom. This is a cross section showing how cutting the building in half and being able to see the site conditions apply. As far as the landscaping, they're keeping it very simple. They're keeping some of the existing palm trees. And then also too, they're adding some agave planters. And then they're also enhancing with some pavers and some concrete. And then they're keeping it very simple. As far as the lighting, they're adding some sconces to the front and the rear. Staff's recommendation is that the findings have been met for design review and staff recommends approval. If design comments arise, staff recommends that the ARC outline the requested changes and incorporates the comments as conditions of approval. Staff is available for questions, but also too, I believe that applicants should be in the audience. If you could please identify yourself in case there are any questions. the questions that you have to ask for questions. Thank you very much. How does this differ from the other restoration hardware we 've been reviewing? Is it? Just another location. Okay. But the other one's still being built, right? I mean, there's going to be two restoration hardwares on the block? I think it's going to be number three. Number three. All right. I thought I was having a little deja vu there. All right. Anybody have any questions for staff at this time? I've got one. I think I have the answer, but you said they added 700 square feet and that was basically pushing out towards the parking lot in the back? So they're pushing out a little bit towards the rear and then just slightly in the front. Oh. Yeah. Just making some small adjustments. Okay. I just didn't see the dotted line saying addition. Okay. Thanks. I have a question as well. Yeah. As Chairman McIntosh is pointing out, it looks just like the other one down the street. I remember on the other one, we were going back and forth with the awning depths. Is this the same awning depth as that? I would leave that question for the applicant to see if they can respond. Okay. Yeah. Applicant, if you are on Zoom, perfect. I do see a raised hand and you are unable to unmute yourself now. Hi. Hello. My name is Owen Merrick. To clarify the awning depth question, I believe the -- I didn't work on the project down the street, but I am familiar with it. I believe those are slightly deeper in terms of the recess from the edge of sidewalk to the glass. So the awning itself is a bit deeper, but it's quite similar. And in our case, maybe if you could go back to that rendering of the front of the building. The awning does not project past the fate perfect. Yeah. So, see, the awning is basically flush with the stucco walls on either side, both on the north and south sides. Right. I remember that was sort of the architectural language that you wanted on the other one. You did not want those awnings to protrude past, you know, which I understand that. And can you tell me what the awning depth is? I'm guessing it's about 15 inches. That's definitely in the right range. I can pull that up shortly. One moment. I'm getting 17 and a half. So, very good estimate based on a rendering. Okay. Now that's the one in the back. Is the one in the front the same? Yes. That 17 and a half was for the one in the front. Okay. I think that is pretty much like the one down the street. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. Just one question. The restoration hardware store for your main furniture. The awnings are set like this one. The third building, which is on the corner of the awnings are outside. Does that make any difference? Perhaps if the RH team is on, they can address that. I'm less familiar with the third location. Oh, okay. Because these two buildings will match and the third building won't match. It was just a question. Noted. Understood. Yeah. Like I said, I'm working on this one. And maybe to clarify the earlier question, this is going to be the outdoor store. So this will be focused specifically on outdoor furniture. So the intent is very much to match the one a couple doors down. But it will be a different product line. So I don't necessarily have a response on the awning depth of the interior design project. Thank you. Michael, I did allow you to speak. You are able to unmute yourself at this time if you have an answer. Yeah, thank you. This is Michael with RH. The first building we did was the interior design studio on the corner. And those had existing awnings that we just redid with new fabric. This location and the gallery that we just opened two weeks ago, we'd be looking to match the cornice, the pilaster, and the awning detailing for the gallery for this outdoor space. You're not going to have a fourth store for the other furniture you just acquired, are you? Not yet. But we've been really enjoying working down here on El Pase o. Great. I have a few questions on your lighting. If you could go to L1 or L11. Looks like you have four different types of lighting going on. And what is the difference between the LTG-3 and the LTG-4? It looks like the LTG-4 is more of a, maybe a linear wall wash type of a fixture. And you've got it shown on your pots. Is that what's happening there? What's happening there? That's correct. The LTG-4 is a linear light that will up light the facade on the pilasters. And then they're the same lighting spec that we proposed for the gallery down the street. And then the LTG-3 is a smaller circular jam light that will just kind of highlight the returns of the pilaster and the window jam itself. Got it. And I'm assuming those have baffles and so forth to minimize glare, right? They do. And then we also adjust the tilt of those. And then we dim them as well at night so that they're not typically on full 100%. Okay. Well, I think it would be a very attractive accent. Oh, great. I don't see it shown here, but I'm also assuming you're going to do some sort of wind chains on your chandelier. Correct. We did have, we have a large pendant over the front door that is housed in a sort of a decorative cage, which will have a chain and some splay wires. And it's actually very similar to the picture we installed at the gallery, a few buildings down, as well as the sc onces on the wall. Those will also be chandeliers encased in a glass and steel frame. Great. That was the only comments I had. Anybody else have any questions for the applicant? No. Okay. So is there any member of the public that is in attendance today that has a comment? If you're joining via Zoom and wish to make a comment on this item, please use the raise hand function now. No comments at this time, Chair. Okay. Thank you. Well, at this point then I can close the public hearing and we can move to any comments from commissioners and move forward with the decision. Any comments, Commissioner Vucic? I think we've sort of been through it already with the one down the street. So. Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. And this is a, we've handled all the, hashed it all out already. Yeah. I think it looks, looks great. Okay. Commissioner Sanchez. No comments from me either. Commissioner Blakely. No, I agree. No comment. Okay. I've said what I need to say. Does anybody want to make a motion? Make a motion to approve. I'll second. Vice Chair Blakely. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner Vucic. Aye. And Chair McIntosh. Aye. 420 with Commissioner Gregory recused chair of McIntosh before we go on to the next item I'm sorry I need to recuse myself from this item as PBG architects is a consultant to the ownership will allow you to recuse yourself don't go far okay item second item on our agenda today is consideration of revised villa architecture within the desert surf development including updates to elevation roof configurations window placement wall artic ulation and railing materials for the residential component before we go any further I would like to disclose that the vice chair and I met with the applicant on May 18th to discuss this project the meeting was informational in nature and gave us an opportunity to learn more about the proposal and ask questions we did not make any comments or indicate how we might vote on the item as with all matters before the commission I will consider the staff report and all information presented at today's meeting before making my decision that being said may we have the staff report please good afternoon once again see he Fernandez senior planner with development services here to present on design review 26 dash 0 0 1 8 this is for desert surf the Villa's revision so for the project applicant the project applicant is Eric Kuguchi the project is located northwest of Desert Willow Drive and Country Club Drive for this consideration it's the revision to the Villa 's architecture that's located within the desert surf development which includes updating the elevations roof configurations windows placements wall articulations and railing materials so just kind of as a reminder this project is located northwest of Country Club and Desert Willow it's highlighted in red this is for the project area as a whole for what we're talking about today this is for the 33 villas these are designed to be in a mid-century modern design and it's the 33 residential units surrounding the surf lagoon so just some history back in November of 2019 City Council approved the desert surf project with which included a specific plan a precise plan and a tentative track map the project approved a surf lagoon a surf center hotel stacked residential flats villas parking facilities and amenities along with landscaping and related infrastructure improvements here's one of the renderings that came out from the specific plan and how the villas were originally designed this is the proposed elevations this is as you can see on the top you have if you're facing the garage side and then on the bottom you have it as you're facing the lagoon side so we're going to go through the elevations so for the scope of what's being proposed today this is a revision to the exterior elevations during plan check review staff identified that there were some inconsistencies with what was originally entitled and there were some changes so as part of those changes it requires a need to come back to architectural review commission since those changes are beyond what we would consider to be substantial conformance so we're going to go through the the different elevations and I'll I'll kind of point out as far as like some of the main changes as far as what's being proposed versus is what was originally approved so on this slide right here we have the original approved design on the left and on the right is what's being proposed the slider is being relocated to the right versus the left the placement of the door is in a different location also to the roof pitch it it's going from a pitch style roof to now it being a flat roof here's that same unit as far as for the rear so on the left you have the original design some of the elements are a little bit different where it pulls down a little bit more but as far as the window placement that that's changing in some of the configurations also to before it was originally designed to be a single panel of glass along the backside and now it's has the metal rail ings in between and then just some changes on the slider and then just some changes on the slider and here are the side elevations as you can see some of the window placements have changed some of the elements have slightly shifted as well also too you can see the along the front side it has on the garage side it has metal railing versus the original glass and just overall the it's very similar in nature is just the some of the configurations as far as the elements and the way that they're designed are slightly different slightly shifted as well. Also too, you can see along the front side, on the garage side, it has metal railing versus the original glass. And just overall, it's very similar in nature, is just some of the configurations as far as the elements and the way that they're designed are slightly different. So looking at the changes, the first plan that was just shown, that's the two-story version of this plan, which is the three-story version. This is where we see the most changes as far as the way that the structure is being shown. The majority of the change is on the third level. So as you can see, it's pretty consistent with the proposed changes for the previous one. The significant changes were they're changing into the three-story element of a lot of it before was glass with a flat roof. Now they're adding pitched roof with the shed roof. And so that's the, as you're facing it from the outside looking at the garage. This is the rear elevation. This is the rear elevation. As you can see, similar to it, making some adjustments on the windows placement, configurations on the slider. Also, too, just the main changes on the third floor were before it was enclosed in glass, and now it has a stucco finish with the door and some windows. So the configuration is different. And then I'm just going to run through. So for the most part, those are the general comments that you'll see as far as the differences between what was previously approved versus what is being proposed as of right now. So in all the slides moving forward, what's approved is on the left and what's being proposed is on the right. So similar to the previous two elevations, the placement of the windows is changing. Some of the architectural elements, as far as like the siding, instead of it running vertical, it's running horizontal. So some of the windows, there's some additional windows. As far as these particular units, these are actually pretty tight. The minimum setback between structures is only five feet. So as far as the side elevations, you're typically not really going to see them except for when you're walking down the, I want to call them alleys. But as far as the main elevation, it's going to be the front and the rear, which is facing the lagoon. So here's some other elevations. As you can see on the left is what was previously approved. And then just the same thing, just variations in the different types of windows. Also to the railing being changed from glass to metal and split in the rear with glass and metal. And then just some of the architectural pop-outs are a little bit different. It's still pretty consistent to what was previously approved. It's just those changes. Also too, this had a pitched roof in the front and then now it's a flat shed roof. Also too, this one's another one where this is the three-story element where you're seeing a lot of the, the majority of the changes are on the third floor where you're seeing that this used to be encased with glass . And now it has more of a square finish with windows and still having a balcony on that third floor . Yeah, so here's another one of the two-story and how it's being revised. For the most part, for these two stories, we're really not seeing too many changes other than the window placement, the slider configuration, and some of just the roof elements. For the most part, these designs tend to be pretty consistent. Same thing on this elevation. And then as previously mentioned, that third-story element is where you're seeing a lot of, the majority of the changes were before this had a flat roof. Now, as you can see on the right, you have the roof pitch. And also, too, that area on that third-story being enclosed. This one, for the most part, is the, it's matching as far as the types of materials. But just the configuration changes and then also, too, just how some of the elements tie in. So I'm just going to run through some of the other designs, but generally, the comments are pretty much the same. It's just changing the configuration of the way that the, some of the elements are and then configuration of the windows and then replacing it with removing some of the glass railings and replacing it with metal railings or a combination of metal and glass. As far as the materials board, the materials board is pretty consistent to what was previously approved. It's really not changing much. They're still using the metal standing seam roof. They are proposing the hardy backer board as the wood siding and also two stone veneer. They're still keeping the laminated glass garage doors with metal and also, too, just that consistent metal railing with a metal frame with glass. And the colors are keeping consistent with what was previously approved. So as far as the architectural revisions, staff has determined that the consistency is consistent and still implementing the desert mid-century modern architectural theme throughout. The proposed revisions don't alter the approved density, intensity, or overall land use associated with the project and remain consistent with the specific plan and precise plan entitlements. It's just the changes that were identified that it's not something that staff would be able to approve with it being considered within substantial conformance. So that's the reason why it's being brought back to Architectural Review Commission. Staff's recommendation is that ARC determine that the project meets the required findings and approve the design review with the following condition. All exterior building materials, colors, and finishes shall conform to the match the approved materials board on file for the project as reviewed and approved by the ARC. Any proposed deviation, substitutions, or modifications from the approved materials board would be subject to review and approval by ARC or its designee. That concludes staff's presentation. The applicant is also available for questions. And that concludes my presentation. Thank you very much. I have one question for you. I've been looking at this. Is this the same thing as what we printed out here? Yes. So in your attachment, you're going to have the first approved plan, and then the second sheet is going to be the revised elevation. Or... actually, it's the other way around. What's being proposed, it has the notes on it with the blue lettering, and then the second page is going to be what was originally approved. Okay. Okay. So just for clarification, in the book sheet, what looks like A3.13 is the new version of what was shown on page 84. That is correct. That is correct? Okay. Okay. All right. Anybody else have any questions for Stan? So just quick summary. The majority of changes are aesthetic in nature. No intense layout changes other than maybe not enclosing a rooftop balcony, but having a roof covering instead for outdoor space, shifting or resizing some windows or operation, changing orientation or siding, replacing glass with a different type of rail, so on and so forth. Does that sound right? Correct. And then as far as, you know, the original drawings call out actual heights in here. The proposed drawings maintain or match? They match also to the maximum height allowed within this specific plan. They're able to go up to 50 feet, so none of them are exceeding what's allowed per the specific plan. And then the applicant can provide more information as far as the variation. Okay. Thank you. Further questions? None? Okay. At this point, we'll open the public hearing and I see that the applicant is here and would like to see if they want to add anything to the presentation that was already given by Mr. Fernandez. Eric, you are able to speak if you'd like to unmute yourself. Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Eric I'm the owner of representative and Apple for the residential portion of Desert Surf. wanted to thank you for your time and staff's time, especially helping us expedite this review to your attention sooner or later as we are processing construction documents concurrently. I apologize for my absence as I'm traveling abroad but I wanted to introduce John D'Anelian from D'Anelian Architects who should be in the room. He's happy to be here as well as John Luff who is the developer for the entirety of the master plan which is well underway. John is around to answer any questions and also provide an updated status of Desert Surf. I'm here to answer any questions as well and again, I just want to thank you for your time. All right. Thank you very much. I'm not sure what's going on here and with your microphone but for continued conversation I don't know if you need to make an adjustment where we can barely hear you and it wasn't volume it was more like static breaking up. I'll switch it out. Go ahead. Okay. Anybody else from the team there have a comment? Hot mic. And just please quickly identify yourself. John Luff, developer, one of the owners of Desert Surf and I just want to thank you all for your time. Thanks for putting us on the agenda today. I don't have any comments unless our architect here, John Danelian, does. To answer your question, the changes have been very minor. A lot of the changes occurred inside the homes which doesn't necessarily concern probably what you guys are looking at and that was the reason why some of the windows configurations changed is because the spaces in the rooms changed. great. Well, I know when we had that meeting a couple weeks ago we requested that you put together sort of a street level view, which you did and I think it's a great exercise and I was really pleased to see this is what I'm looking at here. Feels like I'm at the beach. You know, when they're all together like that it's a nice little composition of buildings. I think it's really successful. Anyone else on the commission have any questions for the applicant? I've got a couple. are you grouping the two bedrooms and the three bedrooms in some sort of arrangement or just haphazardly? I'm not taking that one. So there are this project comprises of three different floor plans ranging from two bedroom to three bedroom. Right. if you look at where the elevations are we've actually labeled them. We do have two plan twos next to each other. They're labeled at the bottom of the elevations with the exception that we've got two threes paired together. But whenever we do that we try to change out the architecture so you don't have the same architectural style. There's actually two architectural styles. There's an A elevation and a B elevation. So even though those two plan twos are the same floor plan they're entirely different elevations. That wasn't my question. Right. Okay. Thank you. Does this differ at all from what we looked at a couple weeks ago? Have you changed anything? No. In fact I just left it here at the city so I haven't touched it in two weeks. Looks like the same. Looks good. So I'm assuming through the management of these there's going to be some sort of regulation on what people can put on the balconies, right? Because that always has an effect on the community. Right now all your drawings are very clean. Nothing on the balconies but people move in and put things on there. Is there some sort of management on that that's going to be moving forward? Oh yeah. Yeah? Pretty tight HOA docks. Oh I'm sorry. Hot mic. Okay. Yes is the short answer but we'll be running a pretty tight ship on management through HOA docks, CCNRs which will be enforced. Yeah. Okay. So we don't want a yard sale of stuff on the balconies. That's not going to look nice. Right. What about planting palm trees and pots and things like that? I mean I could see you know just living here in the desert being up on the roof is a pretty harsh environment up there. You know possibly umbrellas and you know if it was me I'd put a cool palm tree up there. Is there opportunity for that? Yes is the short answer on that. Potted plants anything that's going to be fine up there that's going to provide shade. We're big fans of shade. Yeah. And umbrellas properly weighted. Right. And making sure that people aren't leaving those up when it's unoccupied and we have a big wind event. So we've got to make sure we keep a pretty tight rein on that. We don't need an umbrella blown off a third story balcony. It'll all be in the lagoon churning up in the waves. We will probably fish a couple umbrellas out of there. Good. Well as far as I'm concerned I think you guys did a great job. I really like the street scene and how they're grouped together. I mean I'm assuming this isn't I mean this is kind of a called a random placement that you put together. There's no magic to this orientation of these. No. It was basically the client wanted so many plan one so many plan twos and we plotted them as such. Yeah. That looks good. How many is there going to be total in a row? 57. 57. It took me a while to get used to that button too. Well good. Well at this time I'd like to ask if there's anybody from the public joining the meeting that would have any sort of comment or questions. If you're joining via Zoom and would like to make a comment please use the raise hand button on your computer or smartphone now. No comments chair. It's June. Everybody's left. All right. Well then at this point we'll close the public hearing and hearing any further comments from commissioners. Commissioner Sanchez. No comments. He's our landscape architect. I don't see any plants on your drawings. Commissioner Gregory. None. Commissioner Blakely. Well I like the project as it is. I just had some questions that I was looking at. Not to them but there are some elevations that I see on different projects that aren't on the streetscape which probably means they'll be there somewhere along the line. My only concern and it's not a big concern at all is that it seems like when I'm looking at the renderings all the architectural movement is in the front on the street where the garage is and not on the back as much as I would like it to be but that's just me looking at me so other than that I'm fine. Fair comment. Okay. Would somebody like to make a motion? Motion to approve. Can I just add with staff recommendations? Because there was a recommendation by staff right to for all exterior building material colors and finishes shall conform and match the approved materials board. Yes. If we can have that added as part of the motion. Motion to approve under the condition that we include all of the staff recommended improvements requirements. And that one's seconded. I will second. Okay. All right. Got a motion and a second. Can we have a roll call vote? Vice Chair Blakely. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. And Chair McIntosh. Aye. Motion passes four to zero with Commissioner Vucic. Rick Hughes. All right. Well, congratulations. Thank you very much. It's been a long process. Thank you. We've been looking at your project now, but it's pretty exciting that there's actually water in the lagoon, right? Yeah. You guys should come for a visit. Yeah. When can we come? Right now? Yeah. All right. Let's go. Let's go. All right. I'll follow you. Yeah. Good. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. since this is a special meeting, there's nothing else on the agenda, and that means I call the meeting adjournment at 1.15.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Good evening, everyone. It's now 6 o'clock. We 'll go ahead and call to order the Planning Commission meeting for the City of Palm Desert on this Tuesday, June 2 , 2026. May we have the roll call, please? Absolutely. Commissioner Colum? Present. Vice Chair Greenwood? Here. Commissioner Meyerhoff? Present. Commissioner Nickerson? Present. And Chair Holt? Present. All members are present. Thank you. Thank you so much. Let's see. Commissioner Colum, would you mind leading us this evening in the Pledge of Allegiance? Thank you. Thank you. Non-agenda public comments. This time has been set aside for the public to address the Planning Commission on issues that are not on the agenda for up to three minutes. Speakers may utilize one of the three options listed on the first page of the agenda. Because the Brown Act does not allow the Planning Commission to act on items not listed on the agenda, members may briefly respond or refer the matter to staff for a report and recommendation at a future meeting. Is there anyone online, seeing no one in the physical audience, who would like to speak to anything not on the agenda this evening? For those on Zoom, if you wish to participate in public comment, please click the Raise Hand button on your computer or smartphone. If you are joining by calling in on your phone, please dial star 9 to raise your hand. And when called upon star 6 to unmute yourself, please keep your comments in no more than three minutes and begin stating your name for the record. No comments, Chair. Okay. Very well. Then we will move to consent calendar. I did not see one attached. Do we have one too? There is no consent tonight. Very well. Then we will move to the action calendar. Public may comment on individual action items within the three-minute time limit. Speakers may utilize one of the three options listed on the first page of the agenda. Action item 6A, review of fiscal year 2026 to 2027 capital improvement program for consistency with the city of Palm Desert general plan. City staff, may we have the report, please? Good evening, Chair and members of the Planning Commission. My name is Sihi Fernandez, senior planner with Development Services, here to present on the fiscal year 2027. 2026 and 2027 CIP consistency with the general plan. So staff is recommending that Planning Commission find that the provost fiscal year 2026-2027 CIP is consistent with the city's general plan. And that the findings will be forwarded to the city council as required per state law. Just as a reminder, this is not the responsibility of Planning Commissions to evaluate the merits of each of the proposed projects. And that the Planning Commission's commissioners voting in favor of the recommended resolution does not express approval of any particular CIP project. As far as for this exercise, this exercise is to illustrate that what's being proposed is consistent with the city's general plans, goals, and policies. And so staff is looking at the CIP projects and analyzing their consistency with the general plan. So here's a table showing the projects that are being proposed for this fiscal year. We have Delaware and Mountain View right-of-way study, Cook Street Rehab, Riviera to Merle, the Fred Waring Street Re hab, the North Palm Desert Drainage Study, and the Wallaroo Building Demolition. On the right, you have the funding source. And then for the general plan element, as far as the different general plan policies that are applicable to what the scope of the project is. So kind of working through it, as far as for the mobility element, the Policy 1.1 goes through Complete Streets and considers all modes of transportation and planning and design, creating safe, livable, and inviting environments for pedestrians, bicyclists, motorists, and public transit. Policy 3.1 is a pedestrian network to provide a safe and convenient circulation for pedestrians that include sidewalks, crosswalks, places to sit and gather, buffer between moving vehicles, shading, and amenities for all ages. Policy 3.2 of the mobility element covers prioritized improvements, prioritizing pedestrian improvements, city with the community, education facilities, supportive land use patterns, and transportation patterns, express community interests, and better pedestrian infrastructure, non-automotive connections, such as multi-use trails and transit stops. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to prioritize and capitalize on the opportunities to provide bicycle facilities that connect communities in support of land use patterns, pedestrian routes, and transit stations. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to the safety elements. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to the safety elements. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to the safety elements. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to the safety elements. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to the safety elements. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to the safety elements. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to the safety elements. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to the safety elements. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to the safety elements. Policy 4.2, prioritize improvements to the safety elements. For the safety elements, this is critical facilities to prepare existing critical facilities for resilience to hazards and develop new facilities outside the hazard zone areas. Storm management and monitor, update and enforce stormwater management plans in coordination with regional agencies, utilities, and other jurisdictions. For health and wellness element, policy 7.1 is to facilitate the construction of the built environment that supports a healthy physical and social environment for new and existing neighborhoods and strengthens community co hesion. So as of, SAF is recommending that Planning Commission find the fiscal year 2026-2027 capital improvement plan, program , consistent with the city's general plan, pursuant to the government code section 65103C and 65401, and adopt a resolution recommending that city council approve the findings. Planning Commission's recommendations and finalings will be forwarded to the city council for consideration and final approval of the CIP and its component projects. Staff is available for questions and I also have the director of public works. Oh, very good. Thank you very much, Mr. Fernandez. Does anyone have any questions of staff? I just have one. Can you go into a little bit more detail on what the Wall aroo building demolition is? Good morning, or good afternoon, I should say. Casey Arndt, director of capital projects. The Wallaroo building is in, it was used as a building located just north of the 111. It was a daycare center at one point. It stopped being a daycare in about 2015. It has been vacant since, and it was turned over to the city. In 2015, we did an evaluation on the building to see whether or not it could be repurposed. The cost of the renovations exceeded $2 million. And so, the city has decided in terms of demolition, to demol the building rather than renovate it. The cost of the city has been a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. The cost of the building is a part of the building. is spelled incorrectly. I don't know if that's important for the resolution. I think it should be flood, correct? Right. Actually, we're actually... Or is it floor? It is flood, but actually the actual name of that has been modified, has been changed to the North Palm Desert Drainage Study. North Palm Desert Drainage Study. And the resolution will reflect that as well. The North Palm Desert Drainage Study. Gotcha. Is that adjacent to the interstate there along the... There are planned retention basins adjacent to the park area? Yeah, correct. It is... As development has continued to grow in that area, we need to take a look at the entire northern perimeter as a whole. And so that drainage study is what that will do, is that will tell us where we need, if any, adjustments to the drainage in that area. Is there a place online where we can find the plan that details the projects? The project hasn't been out yet. We're actually putting together the RP to go out to consultants to do that, to conduct that study. Okay. And one last question. When I did go online and look up the CIP, there were different projects listed that are listed here. For example, the North Sphere Park was listed in the CIP on the city's website. Is there a reason for why there might be a list of different projects on the website as compared with what we have here? Well, that project specifically is a project that's planned well into the future. Way into the future. Got it. Okay. There's a placeholder. And so, yeah, it's beyond probably the five years that we 're talking about right now, actually. Okay. I'm sorry. I have so many questions tonight. That's why I'm here. Does the city have a schedule for the haystack channel improvements yet? Is that something that's going to be completed in the next year or so? We anticipate that going out to construction hopefully this year, by the end of this year. We're finalizing permits with all of the required agencies at this time. As soon as that's done, that project will go out to bid, and then we'll get a construction schedule from the contract at that time. But we do anticipate it being under construction hopefully by the end of this year. That is the plan. Okay. Very good. And then lastly, this traffic signal improvement at Mesa View Drive and Highway 74, is the city considering signalizing that intersection there ? It is. That is correct. Yes. Okay. Interesting. Thank you for being here this evening. My pleasure. Anyone else have any other questions? No. Do we need to ask the public? If they would like to make any comments at this time? No comments online, Chair. Okay. Very good. Then I'll ask for a motion. I'll move the recommended recommendation. A resolution of the Planning Commission of the City of Palm Desert, finding that the proposed CIP for fiscal year 2627 and each of the projects incorporated therein are consistent with the city's general plan and finding that the action is exempt from further environmental review in accordance with CEQA. I would second. Moved and seconded. Please vote. Motion passes. Motion passes. Five to zero. Thank you. Thank you. Moving forward. We have no public hearings on tonight's agenda. We have no public hearings on tonight's agenda. We have no public hearings on tonight's agenda. We have no public hearings on tonight's agenda. We have no public hearings on tonight's agenda. We have no public hearings on tonight's agenda. 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We have no public hearings on tonight's agenda. We probably have some concerns with outdoor storage, which typically with conditions of approval process, we might put conditions in there that specifically state that we want to make sure that things are shielded from public view, from sidewalks and things like that. Do you get a lot of cases like those, whether or not they 're CUP or other site plan related, or just in general from what the municipal code says? So needs to be shielded from public view. Yeah. So typically with the restaurants is where we get the outdoor storage and that wouldn't necessarily matter as far as the CUP. We wouldn't allow it on the per the municipal code. So there are some, some restaurants that we have had issues with long cook. You could see the backside of where. Um, Bucatini, uh, there, so their back doors is visible to the street. That's kind of one of the main ones. So yeah, any outdoor storage visible to the public, we wouldn't allow. Any other questions? Well, thank you again for coming. I've used the City's app. I'm assuming you manage that as well to report. I just report sprinklers and stuff that are going off. But I noticed that they're attended to right away and I get a follow-up after I submit my report within two hours or so. So I think it works great. Thank you so much for having that option. I don't know if you've all checked out that app, but I recommend it to people to use it. And everyone seems very excited to know that the City has that opportunity. So thank you again. It definitely works. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Attendance report. We have that. No questions on that. All right. Unless anyone else has anything to report, I'll go ahead and adjourn tonight's meeting. Thank you all. Thank you. . . .

Thank you. Thank you. Recording in progress. Good morning, everyone. Good morning. Voting day. Hope everyone has done it or is going to. Let's call the meeting to order, do a little roll call, and get started. Absolutely. Committee member Geyer. Here. Committee member Maldonado. Here. Committee member Murphy. Here. Committee member Scogin. Here. And Vice Chair Langford. Here. And committee member O'Donnell. Here. Perfect. Committee O'Donnell, in accordance to Senate Bill 707, can you please state the reason for the remote participation? Medical. Perfect. And is there anyone in the room with you over the age of 18 ? No. Thank you. All members are present. Great. Welcome, everybody. We have some non-agenda public comments this morning. No comments at this time. Okay. Everybody have a chance to check the consent calendar and the minutes from the last meeting. I move that we approve. I second. Committee member Geyer. Yes. Committee member Maldonado. Yes. Committee member Murphy. Yes. Committee member O'Donnell. Yes. Committee member Scogin. Yes. Vice Chair Langford. Yes. Motion passes. Six to zero. Thank you. Great. Any new business? Don't see any? Anything up? Okay. Let's get right into our information reports. Desert Aquatic Center. Hello, everyone. Is this working? Okay. Nice to see you all. We've been busy. And today I'm going to have to run, too, because we have a full facility rental with Palm Desert Middle School. So they're going to be coming over today, which is fantastic. So since we reopened on the 13th, we've had over 3,000 people with just drop-in admissions at the Aquatic Center. So that's not including, didn't have a chance to run the numbers this morning because I've been very busy with pass usage, but we have people using their passes again. We have water exercise classes. And you have the Palm Desert Swim Club that's back swimming in the evening, five days a week, and then in the mornings on Saturdays. So we reopened and we got busy real quick. Along the lines, we've got, I just finished another class of lifeguards this past four days. So, because I know we've asked about this, we've had 48 returning from last summer, which is a great amount, considering we only had half the facility and people had hours cut last summer. And we had 42 in classes that were certified. So we're still onboarding them, getting them through the hiring process. So we have our numbers that we need to offer everything that we like to for summer. We also have a field trip and some other people trying to get field trips in for the rest of this week before school ends. Ronald Reagan's going to be out there on Thursday at a field trip as well. Memorial Day alone in the dive back in, a little event that we had, we had over nearly 750 participants. It was around 743. So that was a very busy day and a very busy weekend. Swim lessons got back up and running as well. Summer lessons are open for registration. And the Y was able to secure funding again through Rivers ide County to offer those no-cost swim lessons for those that hit the markers, zero to five-year- olds. So we've got a lot of good things with that. I was really happy to get that money back in. And then marketing, we've had a different kind of approach to marketing. We started in February and this greatly helped with us bringing in candidates for lifeguard positions was smart social where, you know, those ads, if you're on Instagram that pop up when you're going through Instagram, those targeted ads, as long as targeted ads with commercials that are on smart TVs. So, you know, how you see sometimes Walter Clark, we're kind of hitting those as well. And we've been hitting those since February and I really saw the increase in registrations for applications just shot up once we pushed that out in February because we had done nothing else. So I use that as a tester to see where it's coming through and then I'll have actual data probably by mid-month from the times we've been utilizing it. So that's what I've got. We're still working through some little things, but we're open and we're offering lap swim, recreation swim, long course until next week when school's out. We've got two inflatables that are in the water now. We've readjusted what we offer during rec swim. We have flotation, little floaty ducks like rubber ducks, but adult size that are in there. So we've really honed down into, I guess, the locations to save on staffing and have more opportunities for recreational swimmers. Question. Yes. What percentage of people who use the pool are what I would say adults, 25 and older, lap swimmers? Well, the percentage is usually going to be more 55 and up for our lap swimmers. Whatever. Yeah, I would just say because the 25 to 45 is real small, especially a 25 to 35. I could probably see two handfuls of people consistently lap swim. Its majority is 55 and up that's lap swimmers. What percentage? I mean, how many would you say that we have that are lap sw immers? Oh, lap swimmers year-round? Without running the numbers, a year-round percentage based off what we see come in for recreation swim is going to skew it. So you're probably pushing it to maybe a 30% in terms of what revenue you're bringing in from the lap swimmer. Because the recreation swimmer is the higher numbers that come in. For instance, you'll have 900 days, 1,000 days, over 500, whereas a day with just a lap swimmer is going to be about, at max, 60. And in the on-season, maybe 75 if we have an event in town like the Ironman. So in terms of looking at per day. But it is a significant number. Yes, yes. That's the person that does a workout and will have your revenue year-round. But where you're making your revenue to justify, I would say, being year-round is in recreation swim. So as many options that we can offer to bring in the summer months when we're open for that, that's where we really see the revenue come in for the aquatic center. Question, how's the new equipment working out? It's working. I mean, as any new equipment, there's little things here and there. I mean, that's why you have us there and you've got, that we have a tech on-site. So if there's a little issue, we keep it going and call in the big guns to come figure the things out to get it not just the two-day workout, but to continue working flawlessly. So anything like that, you know, you get something new, and especially something that has a ton of technology to it now as well. It's just the little nuances and figuring out why something 's not communicating. But we're keeping the doors open and then working through the process so it doesn't happen again. Question, are all the various amenities functioning, or is it just primary? Are you fully up 100% operation? We're 90%. We still need to put in the three-meter board, which we plan on doing this week. So the one meter is up, but we still need to get the three- meter in, and we're just waiting on one pump that keeps, we keep hearing it's shipped out, but then a delay with the open slide. And then there's just a pressure differential on the splash playground where the water dump isn't dumping. And that stuff should be coming in this week so we can do the fix with recalibrating drives. So it's really, you don't have a one-dump with the water slide. You don't have a three-meter up yet and an open slide. But we have two inflatable, so... No one's complained about what we're offering. They're just waiting for that. I think the three-meter's only waiting to come back up. But we had to take care of some stuff in that area first. I'd say welcome back. No, thank you. Actually, I have one comment because I know this has been kind of stressful for you, David, personally and for the Y the last couple of years. And I think you guys have handled it pretty well. I walked by the pool a couple months ago. You were in there training new lifeguards. And so we appreciate the effort that you put into it. At least I appreciate the effort you put into it. Thank you. I appreciate that. Agreed. And also maybe directed to Randy. Will we do some sort of recap of where we can, you know, the good, the bad, the ugly of the project? Because quite frankly, it was two months delay from original opening probably. Yes. We actually have our PDAC subcommittee meeting. Okay. By annual meeting this coming Thursday, June 9th at 11 o' clock. Okay. And anyone's able to attend. Will that take place, that recap at that meeting? Or June 4th, I'm sorry. Yes. It'll be a full summary of everything that was done there. Thanks. Terrific. Okay. Moving on. On the first tee is the first tee. Thank you. Hi, everyone. Sorry, I haven't been here the last couple of times. I actually missed the one. I came when no one else came. Happy to be here. Everything's going really well with first tee. We had a very successful fundraising event. So thank you for everyone's support on that. Excited for the summer months. We have our summer camps starting. And we're actually having, for the first year ever, summer camps at all three program locations in the desert. So Palm Springs, Palm Desert, and at the Lights at India, which is exciting. Which is exciting for us. So I have a big report in there. There's lots of information. Just if anyone has any questions for me, happy to answer them. And I know golf center revenue looks like it was down in May. And I would just say, I'm assuming everyone has noticed that when we had that hot spell in March, people fled the desert. And so that definitely impacted revenue for the golf center as well. It's just been a lot slower for May, even though the weather's been beautiful. So good for the people who stayed. Thank you. And thank you. And I think everybody needs to realize that you guys had a terrific fundraiser, almost a quarter of a million dollars. Yeah. Terrific. Great job. Great. Thank you. All right. And friends of the desert mountains. Tammy, are you here? Tammy's here. Good morning, everyone. You have my report in the packet, but I just wanted to let you guys know what's been taking place up at the visitor center for about the last week with our big horn sheep trying to cross highway 74. Tuesday, Wednesday, we had a herd of six that we had to scoot back across. And then on Friday, they came across twice. So we had a herd of 10 and then a herd of 15. So we're trying to do our best to keep them off the highway . But we did have sheriffs up there on Friday to help us stop traffic because they're coming across at that turn. So we have some safety vests we're going to start using if we have to get out there and stop the traffic and stuff just to scoot them back across the street. But I just wanted to let you guys know what's happening. That's it. On a personal note, I will tell you that the night adventures have been sold out the last couple of times. Moving right along, everyone. Family YMCA. Good morning. I don't have anything to really report other than what I submitted. But our day camps do start this Monday. And all of our kids, we have about 270 kids going to Camp O aks this coming Sunday to enjoy a whole week up there for their resident camp. Other than that, no. If you guys have any questions, I'm happy to answer. Great. Read your reports, everyone. Great job. Thanks. DRD, Desert Recreation. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? I don't have anything to add. I have the report in there. I'm sorry. Just because we have a committee member on Zoom. The report is on file. Brenda is here to answer any questions. So are there any questions? Any questions? Okay. I don't have really anything else to add. We're just getting ready for summer camp again. And we're starting all our summer programs. And that's it. Stay busy all summer. Good job, Y. Stay busy. All right. Okay. Great, everybody. Thank you for your inputs. City staff have some things for us today, I'm sure. Yep. I'm going to be sure. All right. All right. Based on previous meetings, you've asked us to provide some updates on ongoing projects that we have. And so we're happy to present you with the presentation today on these informational items. Starting with Freedom Park, staff is currently working with the consultant to refine the scope and proposed of the proposed improvements to put together a presentation that will then be presented to council. Council recommendations and approval will be requested once the project scope is finalized. And the primary focus at this point is on the playground area. Next up, we have Baja Park. It's currently in 90% construction documents completed. It's been submitted to plan check review. And a traffic engineering study is being done for the bus stop turnout. The project will be a phased approach and we'll be focusing on lighting and the shade structure first. The Cahuilla Hills Park restroom is completed. That project consisted of a deep clean and decalcification of the existing fixtures. We placed the toilet, all of the hardware in there, an installation of new epoxy flooring in the restroom itself and in that walkway breezeway area there. There was concrete patchwork and repair done on the roof and in corners of the building, along with a refresh of the paint. So, let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. 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Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Let's move on to the next slide. Just a few reminders. With the new schedule, we are going to be -- well, we had already recommended a break with the 4th of July holiday. So for Tuesday, July 7th, we'll be taking break. And then again on Tuesday, September 8th for the Labor Day holiday. And then the last one Tuesday, November 3rd. So we'll be having a meeting in August and then again in October and December. All right. Future topics and updates. We are currently still working on Freedom Park. So we'll be bringing that back for more updates. You did request at the previous meeting an update on the general plan for the regional park. Randy, you provided us with information on the carbon credits. So we'll be looking into that. And we're also researching your suggestion of looking into, you know, nonprofit organization item. In a future meeting. It's going to take us some time to gather that information. So we are going to do our very best to try and bring it to the next meeting. But if not, to the following. And that concludes our presentation. I would just like to add, I've done a little bit of research on some adult fitness equipment that could be installed in parks. I'd like to get that to the city to consider some additional fun topics or fun activities on the park and some of the other parks, especially the newer parks. Okay. Thanks. I have a question regarding the playground equipment. Maybe Sean can answer. Do we have any sort of equipment in the new design for Civic Center that would be of interest to the autistic children and parents that sometimes will come to the parks? Yes. So that playground was designed for accessibility and, you know, children who may be on the spectrum in mind. There's a cozy dome feature which allows the respite if, you know, things become too overwhelming and they need a quiet space to kind of unwind, decompress. There's also accessible features like swings and some additional pour in place to make sure that if, you know, mobility is an issue, we have access to all of the playground features through that. And, you know, the city is autism certified. All of us have received autism awareness training. And I just recently did an interview with Desert Healthcare District on this playground and the features that are included in it. So this is actually going to be a featured playground for children with autism or special needs throughout the valley. Thank you. Moving right along. We're doing great today, guys. City Clerk updates. Perfect. Good morning. For those that don't know, I am Michelle Nance, the Assistant City Clerk. And I have two updates for this committee this morning. First, Chair Perry has resigned effective immediately. City Council did interviews last week. So we anticipate filling that vacancy prior to your August meeting. And at that place, the chair and vice chair rotation will take an effect as well. Second, City Council did recently approve your change to your meeting schedule. So the bi-monthly is in effect. And so, as Marie mentioned, it would be August, October, and November and December at this time. And that's all I have. Thank you, Michelle. Your Honor. Who that? Who are you talking to? Hey. Okay. So, yeah, actually, there's a fair amount of stuff I want to talk about today. It's a little bit -- some good topics. Let's see. Two weeks ago, City staff and Council Member Moreno and I went to something called ICSC, which is International Conference of Shopping Centers, which takes place annually in Las Vegas. It's an opportunity. It's just a huge -- you know, most of the folks there are commercial brokers and developers, et cetera. And we talked about a lot of things, you know, the mall redevelopment, North End, now that we have electricity, stuff like that. But to me, the most worthwhile endeavor of that whole out ing was a field trip that we took to the West Henderson Athletic Facility, which is a kind of a model for what we'd like to pursue here. It's 170,000 acre -- I'm sorry, 170,000 square feet indoor sports facility that's being built in Henderson, and it's not completed yet. But there are several of these throughout the country. And to me, it provides a perfect combination of recreation and an opportunity to actually draw on revenue because it's a for-profit endeavor. And you can configure the thing in a lot of different ways. This particular one had a good space for -- and Richard was there. So if I miss anything, let me know. But it had a good space for sort of an indoor volleyball. You could have soccer. There was bowling lanes. There was a small restaurant. There's a second level where parents could come. If there's a tournament or something, parents could go and watch. So it was great, I think. And there's a lot of, of course, moving parts to making something like this happen. But visit greater Palm Springs is really kind of helping us spearhead this. The city -- you know, there's even no guarantee it would happen in Palm Desert. We're vying with a few other cities to make it happen. But I think we're the leading candidate. If it all comes together, you have to have funding to build the thing. Of course, operations. Are we going to donate the land? We sell the land. I said there's a lot of moving parts. It was very, very encouraging to see it working in an environment that's really kind of closely similar to ours. Henderson's a city of about half -- about 300,000, right? So the demographics are pretty similar. The climate's pretty similar. And I think if we were to pursue something like that on a 170-acre parcel that we're -- UNSP, we'll call it the Pacific North Spheres area, combine that with maybe some outdoor athletic fields, it would be a real good complementary program, you know, to have the indoor facilities, to track some of these tournaments, have recreation available to our residents, and then maybe have some ball fields there so you could draw bigger tournaments because obviously our climate here warrants it through most of the year. And yeah, it was really encouraging. So keep an eye on that. And then I don't know if any of you were tuned in to the study session we had at our council meeting last week, last Thursday, but we revisited the -- what we'll call it the Dave Irwin Park. And part of the reason it was presented to council is because the costs have gone up significantly. And that was the reason staff want to present us to council with some options. You know, I think through the course of the discussions we 've had here in this committee, if you remember, I think some of the original cost estimates were right around like 15 to 19 million, maybe, when we, you know, in the very early stages of this thing, well, guess what? Like everything else, estimated cost to build out this -- how many acre park? 27 acres? And, you know, when I first got on council, I remember other folks, you know, former staff and staff telling me, yeah, you can kind of count on about a million dollars an acre to build out a park. And so this thing has now -- the price tag is up around the $31 to $35 million range. So we were presented with options of do we build this thing in phases and just bite off chunks as our, you know, budget and our appetite for that spend warrants? Or do we just say, hey, we're just going to build out the entire thing? And so council said, well, we'd like to just, you know, hedge our bets and do the spend now and build the thing now all in one phase, we'll call it. So that was what we directed staff to pursue. We did -- and, again, we were also presented with options of what features do we want to withdraw to make this thing, again, more affordable. One of them was the splash pad, which seems to be kind of a -- I mean, it's a nice feature, but it's expensive to maintain and keep up with all the desert conditions. So that's where we're directing staff to go. But, you know, this is just the reality now that things are expensive to build, and it's going to be a beautiful park when all is said and done. It's going to be an expensive park. So that's all I have right now. And what is the timeline for the build-out? Remind me, because right now we're still in the design phase and everything, or the engineering, rather. I think we're looking at completing all the construction documents in early 2027 and then moving forward from there and going out to bid. And it's a -- I believe it's an 18-month construction term. Mm-hmm. So you're in the middle of '28, even probably bumping into 2029, but it's the time that things all built out. Mm-hmm. There we have it. That's how it goes, guys. So that's what I have for you. So twice as long and twice as expensive. That's where we're at. Yeah, and then you've got to consider, okay, then -- well, who knows? I might not even be in council by the time the regional park gets built, but you've got to think, okay, do we have the budget to bite off the big regional park? And that's why -- that was, to me, the attraction of that indoor sports facility, because you're providing recreation for residents, but you're putting the cost burden onto a private entity. And in my way of thinking, I mean, this is just, again, spitballing 10 years out. But in my way of thinking, the greatest need, as we discussed, sports fields. So -- and sports fields, I think, are probably one of the cheaper elements of a park to build. So an indoor sports facility complement with outdoor ball fields, to me, would be the perfect combination in the future regional park, especially when you consider Irwin has a lot of playground features, running track, pickleball, basketball, all these other things. But who knows? I might not be around to influence that decision as we get there. But anyway, as I'm looking down in the Magic 8 ball, I think that would be kind of a nice complement to the other parks we have in the city. Evan, quick question. The facility in Las Vegas, was that built, like, in near residential areas, or was it built in a parcel that's isolated out there? I mean, we drove there and back. I wasn't super familiar with Henderson, but it looked to me like it was sort of -- it wasn't completely on the outskirts. It's kind of surrounded by some commercial and residential development. But the other coolest thing about it was there's something called a -- and this seems to be a new trend that we discovered at ICSC as well. There's something called Chicken Pickle. Is that what -- or Pickle Chicken. It's a pickleball facility that combines, like, a bar, restaurant. You've got indoor/outdoor pickleball. And the place was jammed. It was busy. I mean, the people were -- I mean, we were there at, like, 9:00 and 10:00 in the morning. People out there playing pickleball. There's a restaurant on the second floor. You could, you know, watch everybody playing, have beers, watch sports games. It was, like, this whole facility where -- and to me, it was so complimentary. And the indoor sports facility -- the Chicken Pickle was built first, and then the sports facility was second. But they're very complimentary, in my opinion, because if you're a family, and you've got to spend all day at your kid's tournament, you want to break for lunch, go over next door, hang out, relax. They had Cornhole. They had all kinds of other games there. So if you get that indoor sports facility, if you attract one, and you can get a developer to sign off and do the thing, then all of a sudden I think it attracts other types of development. So -- but no, it wasn't exactly on the outskirts of town. It was sort of in the middle of other residential and commercial development. Yep. I have a question. I've played in facilities like that in New Mexico, Arizona, and it is very good for our climate and environment. And there's a lot of things that can get done in it. My question is, would it be considered by the council as a park and rec project or as an economic project? I don't think -- I mean, again, I defer to staff here, but of the 28-acre parcel that we've identified as a place we want to set aside for a park, I don't think the indoor sports facility would encroach on that. I think the indoor sports facility would sit on what is z oned as commercial. Is that right, Richard? That's correct. Right. So you would still have the 28-acres available to build out to complement the indoor sports facility. And would the indoor sports facility be considered a park and rec project or an economic project? Commercial economic, yeah. Okay. And there again, you know, at my time on council, I've learned, and I think we've all kind of acknowledged this, that parks are liability. You know, once you build them, you're talking about assets in the city. There aren't too many assets in the city. You know, a road becomes a liability. You've got to service, you know, you have to, as we see, seal them, paint them. They crack, they break, and you've got to -- they don't generate direct revenue. Same with the park. It's a nice amenity, but it is certainly a liability long- term. It becomes nothing but something you have to spend money on to maintain. So that's why I love the indoor sports facility model, because it puts the burden on the private sector to provide this recreational facility for our residents. I mean, it is a combo of -- it's not just for residents. Obviously, they want to fill it up with other revenue-gener ating tournaments, et cetera, but certainly residents can use it as well. So, yeah. And that's all I have. Great. Thank you, Mayor. Anybody request for actions here on the committee? Anybody got some ideas to shoot out there? I have a couple of things. First of all, I'm going to that aquatic subcommittee meeting on Thursday, so if anybody has anything they want me to report at it, let me know, okay? 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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. serve as ambassadors for both our school and our city. Through cheer, these young women develop leadership, teamwork, discipline, confidence, and strong sense of community pride. Like many school organizations, our program relies heavily on fundraising, sponsorships, and family contributions to operate. While our school's PTO provides support where it can, its resources are spread across many programs and student groups. As a result, our athletes and families are responsible for raising much of the funding needed to cover uniforms, safety equipment, training camps, transportation, competition expenses. Our athletes are committed to doing their part. They participate in fundraisers, seek sponsorships, collect donations from local businesses here in our city. They also volunteer throughout the community. However, despite these efforts, the financial burden can still be difficult and significant for many of our families. Additional support from the city of Palm Desert would have a meaningful impact on our program. Funding could help reduce participation costs, provide access to training and safety resources, and ensure that dedicated student athletes have the opportunity to participate regardless of financial circumstances. We're not asking the city of Palm Desert to replace the work our families and athletes already do. Rather, we are asking the city to consider partnering with us and investing in a program that directly benefits Palm Desert's youth and strengthens our community. The Palm Desert High School chair program is about far more than athletics. It's about developing our future leaders, encouraging community involvement, and creating opportunities for students to grow both on and off the field. On behalf of our athletes, families, and coaching staff, and I respectfully ask for your consideration of any grants , sponsorships, opportunities, community partnerships, or funding resources that may be available to support our program. That's it at this time. Thank you so much. Questions? No questions? Staff has explained how this request does not meet certain criteria of the guidelines, and you're aware of those? Correct. Yes. Thank you. Did I notice something else in here about a contribution to the Palm Desert High School Foundation of a general, and would they be able to then to disperse the money as they chose? Yeah. The foundation, we're recommending that they receive $10, 000. I believe they're in year two of three. Year two of three of that agreement, and so they would have access to those funds through them. And that $10,000 every year, the matrix says it's for anti- plagiarism software? That was what was submitted with the first year. It can change. Good, because AI eliminates the need for that software, so they have money now. Okay. And we could send them a letter as such. I did want to note on the two that were late. We received an application request from Coachella Valley Rescue Mission in the amount of $10,000. Staff did not make a recommendation because they missed the deadline, but there is $21,000 available for anything that comes up that the committee does want to allocate to. It would be for food and meal supplies that would benefit Palm Desert residents. The second one was Creative M Projects. It's camera equipment that they use for young artists in motion. They requested $6,700. It's a new application from them. It is my understanding that the application came through right at the nth hour. So, oh, Creative M? Okay. Creative M is here. I'm so sorry. I didn't know. Do you want to come up and make a presentation? Okay. My apologies. Well, good afternoon. Thank you so much for allowing me to come. My name is Melissa Martinez, and I'm the founder of Creative M Projects, and we serve youth and young adult artists. But we like to, like, rephrase or redefine the term artist development because usually it's about, like, making them better at whatever their craft is, an amazing singer, an amazing dancer. But we really want it to be development from the inside out in terms of providing resources for them mentally and emotionally to mature and become leaders, not only in their craft, but in their communities. And so we're doing an artist wellness retreat. It'll be our first one. I'm very excited about it. It's going to be in October. And part of what we're going to do during that retreat is we are going to choose our emerging artists for 26-27. And what we put forward was we had an idea to do a write-in record in conjunction with the golf cart parade, the Palm Desert golf cart parade. And so we just thought it was a really cool idea, like, living canvas to have young people going out around, interviewing people, giving a voice to what's happening at the parade, but also helping them develop their leadership skills and show their creativity. And so, yeah, we requested 6,700. There was a breakdown in terms of what that would cover. I don't know if you guys want me to go over that. But anything that you guys would want to put towards that would be amazing. We are completely volunteer run. And we have always only asked for individual donations. Like, right now we're in the middle of our give-a-thon for this year. Last year we raised a little over three grand. So I like to say that we are small and mighty. And I did the Palm Desert Academy. And that's how I found out about the money that was available. So I was like, okay, let's go for it. This is literally like we've only submitted for two grants. We've always just relied on individual donations. So I don't know what else I can tell you, but that's why I 'm here. And, again, thank you. And we'd love your support. Questions? You were saying they got their application in in the nth hour. Is that, like, past the deadline or just? From what I understood, it was, like, 5.01 and the deadline was 5 p.m. sort of thing. Okay. Hard lesson. It says tenure NP. What's NP? On their little page 285. It says organizational tenure. First time event. Semicolon tenure N slash P. Oh, yeah, yeah. We incorporated in 2014. Oh. And we launched programs in 2020, right, when the pandemic was hitting. Got it. Okay. Questions? This is interesting to me. The reason it's interesting to me is because of the syner gies with the golf cart parade and marketing it and broadcasting it and social media content in and around it to build the profile. So this one actually, this one interests me. I think I'd be open to figuring out, supporting it a little bit. Agreed. Fournier City event. Now, I think staff has run some sort of calculation on a lot of these to come up with a recommendation. I'm not eager to jump to a recommendation now, but I would be open to pending some analysis and reasonable recommendation. Yeah? And then you can bring it to the next council meeting with this. Is that okay? Okay. We can do that. I have thoughts unless you, anybody have a specific amount that makes sense? Do I understand there's 21,000 available? Correct. And then did you have a dollar amount in mind? I don't have a dollar amount in mind. I just, you know, working with the applicant and seeing what makes sense because you guys have already done that with the other applicants of kind of seeing what makes the most sense. Yeah. Yeah. If we were to approve, would they work with Thomas and our event people? We could make that sound. Yeah. That would seem to be the best way to really get the best bang for the buck for them and us. Yeah. So I would, I would say as we move along, I'd like to talk about finding a way to incorporate them and definitely plugging in with our marketing team and really leveraging what we would contribute there. Very good. I'm going to do that. Did either of you want to consider CVRM's late request? Do we contract with them for beds? For, for our homeless program? We do. And what is that total? Let's say roughly 35K. I think initially the partnership was at $50,000. We reduced it to three beds, which is about 35K per year. I think my default position is we've got a contract for services with them. And if we need more services, we can evaluate that contract . That's my thinking. Agreed. Were there any others that you wanted to pull out? Oh, so many. Okay. I'll start real fast. Rapid fire. A couple of thoughts here. The, let me make sure I got my notes. So we have Saidenjuku, Adaptive Karate. I think it's the Parkinson's, yeah, Parkinson's Resource Organization. They do adaptive yoga. Adaptive karate, adaptive yoga are also programs offered by DRD. So I'm curious to what extent staff evaluated the duplic ative nature of those requests. I'm not sure that that was part of the consideration. I don't think there was an awareness. So. There's also a request from a yoga studio for yoga classes. Trying to. I'm trying to. Number 20. Number 20. I guess the same question there. They're offering free classes. But again, DRD offers subsidized yoga courses. I think that was just to the general community, though. It wasn't just to children. So if you have any immobile seniors or something in the community, that that was the intent as well. Which one? For the yoga. That's number 20. Ivangar yoga. I believe so. Because it was just for the general residents. Right. So they do yoga. But do they do it at their shop? Where do these classes take place? So Michelle has the detail, and we'll get that for you. Okay. Again, I'm just looking at these as making sure we're stewards looking for unduplicative needs gaps. And so when I was looking at these, and I get the giant catalog from DRD with all the adaptive sports, tons. Senior, kids, adaptive sports, various kinds. I understand this is a great thing. But if taxpayers are already supporting a type of it, something that's supplemental, I think they can use private dollars to support that's outside of what the public's already supporting through public agencies. I'm actually inclined to support the karate tournament, for sure. I went last year. It was awesome. I saw the value in it. Definitely some Palm Desert residents benefited. And when you get into programming like Variety Club or these adaptive karate, and Phoenixia and organizations like that, that have been a part of or participated in or gotten to know them. So often these parents, I mean, it's such a burden that they do need the extra help and funding. You can say, well, go out and fundraise yourself. But, man, they are under the gun already with their time and efforts. And I see the value in supporting them. Have you participated or viewed the programs offered by DRD for the adaptive programs? No, I have not. So I have no basis for comparison in that regard. I think that's it on the duplicative recreation. Yeah. A couple questions. The funding field trips, why does that fall? Why does that burden fall in the city and not the school district? And I actually, this is, I should have maybe done my homework a little more on this, but my wife's a first grade school teacher. And she has to jump through some hoops to get those field trips arranged in the first place. It doesn't seem like the school district is short on money. I mean, the amount they spend on admin is pretty incredible . At the same time as, you know, admin seems to be increasing like crazy, staffing at the Taj Mahal there on Dune Palms. And yet, enrollment's down. I just wonder how the genesis of this whole thing, it seems like year after year we're funding field trips, school field trips for the school district. Again, another taxpayer-funded organization. No, totally understood that perspective. And from my understanding, these are ones that are not funded by the school district. And so that's why the PTO is coming to us, because the PTO is made responsible for getting the kids to them. But we could certainly do more deep diving into it to verify that. Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong. When RDA went away, school districts picked up extra revenue that we used to have. And so they got more money, and now we're still contributing things to them that they could theoretically pay for if they made it a priority. You want to correct? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I think in terms of the adaptive sports things, I don't want to say no this year, but I do want to, maybe, and maybe what we do is say, like, maybe sometime later this summer or the fall, we convene a committee, the committee to look at the guidelines. Because I think those things upfront letting applicants know that they're going to have to justify how their request is in addition and non-duplicated by other taxpayer funded things, I think is. And the same thing, I don't want to scratch out some of these things, but I do want to have these conversations so that when I'm in the public and people saying, wait, we have a non, we have tax deductible donations. We have tax deductible donations for a reason, so that private individuals can support organizations outside of our tax dollars for our purposes. But now our tax dollars are also going to fund those organizations that we don't get a choice in directly, nor does the government get a write off, right? So we have a system for a purpose to use private dollars to support private initiatives. So I want to respect that as much as we can and be really intent on finding those real needs gaps. That's, I think that's the direction. Again, I don't want to like turn the boat right now, but I want to start having that conversation to make sure that when we go to the public, we can explain to them, yes, we 've had these conversations. We are being good stewards with your money. And I'll end it with that. Agree 100%. Some more specific questions. The Dr. Carian Foundation, they were disqualified or are they moving forward to $2,500? Just for -- For our section, it was for a table recommendation. However, their event is taking place the current fiscal year, not next year, so it's not being considered with this . That's right. Okay. Got it. And do they fund -- it said Eastern Inland Empire. Do they -- do any Palm Desert students benefit from their foundation -- from their scholarships? Do you know? I'm not familiar with it. Okay. I mean, that might be worth looking into. I'm not sure if we even went any further after we looked at -- Oh, I gotcha. -- that it was this year. They seem to apply every year, don't they? I don't recall them applying previously. Okay. Well, I guess it's boot, but maybe next year if it comes up again. Not for a table sponsorship, but did they apply? Oh, and they haven't applied for outside agency. Okay. Good. And I also noticed two youth football programs, Orange County and the other one run by Friday Night Lights, John M aldonado. Is that right? And I didn't even know there were two football programs. Again, that seems a little bit -- That's 20. -- duplicative, but -- So there are two different programs. One is flag football and one is tackle football. And so they asked for different things, and that's why they 're included separately. But we can certainly limit that. It's based on our recommendation. And both of them are co-ed? I believe so, yes. And the Yum Food Festival, Yum Food Brands or whatever, they -- we had funded them before, if I remember. We had. And they expected 8,000 attendees this year in October. Do we have a figure for what they drew last year? I can request that. I don't have it here with me, but I can request that information. Yeah. And last year was the first year we funded, wasn't it? We funded a couple years. This is going to be the sixth year, and we funded multiple years before that. I just want to see some kind of track record if it's been -- I mean, anything that -- this takes place in the mall again, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, in the outside of the mall, it's in the parking lot. Yeah. So they put fencing up and things like that, but they do encourage folks to head over to the mall as well. All right. So obviously we want to support more food traffic. It's a food truck festival and a night market, and so it's a two-day night market food festivals, and it is rather successful. Yeah, and they have live entertainment and some other family activities, face painting and axe throwing, things like that. But it has grown significantly each year. Okay. Very good. Can you talk about the Elder Love USA request? As Mayor Truby mentioned, talking about for-profit corporations and non-profit -- is that a non-profit or for- profit corporation? It's non-profit, right. It's non-profit. Okay. And they -- I saw that they also receive Medi-Cal reimburse ments for their services. Yes. So what is the -- how did you arrive at the $1,000 recommendation? Similar to what we were saying earlier, if it's a new request, and we try to give them and then get the metrics back to see how many residents are supported, what it actually -- what impact it makes. And so Elder Love has applied, I think, the last three years, two years? Two years. Okay. Do we want to water something that we don't want to bloom? One year, I think, if we fund it now, we're sprinkling money on it to see where it goes. But if -- you know what I mean? Did I hear any? Are we reducing that one? I didn't hear. I'm sorry. I'm -- I'm raising the question -- I'm still churning on it . I would -- Okay. I would -- There again, that might be something to revisit as a policy matter. You know, if they're already receiving taxpayer funds, DRD, this organization, there should be an extra sort of amount of scrutiny or justification for it. I think in our award letters, we can do some, you know, some wording in there so that we get a little more clarification. They're required to give us all of their funding sources. I think asking them whether or not any of the stuff is duplicative has not been in our request. So we can certainly hit that in the letters. And then when we go through the guidelines, as you guys were saying earlier, I think that's a great idea to tighten it up. Okay. 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You know, I want to see if there's any way -- actually, what I'd like to see is just daily -- is there a way to measure the foot traffic on a -- there must be some average figures that the owners keep. I was going to offer between now and when it goes to the full council, we can get the specific questions in that report. Yeah. But also in this conversation, I'm hearing perhaps we should retool -- as we look at the guidelines, retool the metrics and reporting scorecards that come back every year so that you have these items up front as well. Yeah. Perfect. Thank you. And then one other thing, just the artist council is another one that we give like free rent to. And then now they're asking for more money as we consider scorecards in the future, talking about the overall city subsidy and considering the overall subsidy when including -- like reviewing individual asks as well. Yeah. Got it. Other than that, I think with -- if you guys have -- staff has clear direction, I'll move item five with the noted recommendations. Okay. That's a first -- 5A. Do you want to take a roll call, Michelle? That's all of them. Yeah. Can we get a second? Yes. Thank you. I'll second. Member Escovedo? Yes. Member Lawrence? Yes. Member Perdetto? Yes. Member Perdetto? Yes. Member Perdetto? Yes. Member Perdetto? Yes. Member Perdetto? Yes. Member Perdetto: Yes. Chair Chavez? Yes. Motion passes five to zero. Okay. Having gone through five informational reports. Thank you all. Under informational reports, committee members, any comments? I think we've jotted most of them down. I just want to say thank you for all the work to this point . I hope it's pretty clear what we're looking for in the future, and I hope it's not too much to ask, but I think it's worth pursuing. Thank you. City staff? Okay. Then we can adjourn. And we can adjourn.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome, everyone. I now welcome you to the study session, Palm Desert City Council study session for Thursday, May 14, 2026. And we're going to first subject we're going to visit is item 2A, potential drone as first responder program and real-time crime center. Looks like we have Mr. Daniel Hurtado. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor, members of City Council. Today's study session item is intended to provide an overview of a potential drone as first responder program and real-time crime center concept for Palm Desert and the Cove communities. These concepts are being evaluated as potential tools to improve emergency response, increase situational awareness, and support the efficient deployment of law enforcement resources. Because this is an operational public safety program, the Riverside County Sheriff's Office team will lead the presentation and provide the council with a better understanding of how the program works, how drones may be deployed, what safeguards are in place, and how this technology may support deputies, emergency personnel, and the community. With that, I would like to introduce Chief Reichel with the Sheriff's Department, who will walk us through the presentation. Good afternoon, everyone. Today, I'm going to walk you through how we are leveraging technology, specifically drones as first responders and our real-time crime center to improve public safety and increase efficiency and better deliver public service. I'm Chief Deputy Ken Reichel. I'm a fourth-generation Coachella Valley resident and a 27-year veteran of the Riverside County Sheriff's Office. I'll be presenting today's information. I want to start by framing why we're having this conversation. Policing today is at an inflection point. Calls for service continue to increase, staffing remains constrained, and the costs of providing service are rising. At the same time, expectations from our communities, particularly around transparency and accountability, are higher than they've ever been. Because of that, technology is no longer optional. It's not something we just explore. It's something we must implement in order to maintain an improved level of service we provide. These tools allow us to respond faster, solve crime more effectively, and deliver measurable value to our contract cities without simply relying on adding more personnel. Today, I'll walk through how drones with first responders in our real-time crime center are helping meet those challenges in a responsible and effective way. We first introduced DFR and the real-time crime center concept to the Cove Commission during the October 25 meeting. The Commission wanted the concept explored, and we jumped in. This led to an April 26 Cove meeting where we presented our findings, and the Cove Commission approved the idea, moving the concept to each respective city for final approval. The goal today is simple. To give you guys the high-level understanding of what these systems are and how they work together, and most importantly, how they improve response times, decision-making, and overall services delivery. I'll also briefly be touching on costs and how we're approaching this responsibly in hopes of a team effort in implementing through the Cove Commission. What is DFR? Drones first responders allow us to launch drones from a fixed location the moment a call for service comes in. In many cases, the drone arrives on scene before a deputy, giving us real-time visibility into what's actually happening. Why this matters? Drones as first responders matters because the public safety, time, and information drive outcomes. When a call for service comes in, our deputies are often responding with limited information, sometimes just a brief description from a caller, that creates uncertainty and, in some cases, risk. DFR challenges that by getting a drone overhead within minutes, we're able to see what's actually happening in real time. That gives us immediate situational awareness, whether it's a confirmative suspect description, determining if a suspect is still on scene, or identifying factors that may pose a threat to responding deputies or the public. That information allows us to make better decisions before deputies even arrive. We can adjust how we approach the scene, determine the appropriate level of response, and, in some cases, slow things down instead of escalating unnecessarily. It also significantly improves safety for both deputies and the community. Deputies are no longer walking into unknown situations. They're arriving with context, which reduces the likelihood of surprise encounters and helps them manage incidents more effectively. Other important benefits is containment and coordination. With aerial view, we can track movement, establish perimeters more quickly, and coordinate resources with much greater precision, especially in fast-moving situations like fleeing suspects or large-scale events. And, in many cases, this allows us to resolve incidents more effectively, whether it's locating a suspect quickly or determining if a situation does not require a law enforcement response. DFR helps us avoid unnecessary deployments and focus resources where they are truly needed. This means faster response times, better decision-making, improved safety, and more efficient use of resources, all of which contribute to better overall public safety. As we evaluated vendors, Skydio stood out for several key reasons. First, it's a U.S. manufactured platform which aligns with current and future federal compliance requirements, something that is becoming increasingly important as regulations continue to evolve. Second, it offers advanced autonomous flight and obstacle avoidance, which makes it more reliable in urban environments and reduces operational risk during deployments. And, just as important, Skydio integrates into the Axon evidence ecosystem that we're already using. What that means is video captured by the drone is automatically uploaded, stored, and managed within the same secure platform as our body-worn camera footage and other digital evidence. This criteria and seamless workflow for our deputies, this criteria and seamless workflow for our deputies, everything in one place. It maintains evidentiary integrity and simplifies sharing with prosecutors. That translates to better case documentation and stronger prosecutions. One of the big things with drones is the transparency. And transparency is an important component of this program. As part of our drone as first responder deployment, we will have a public-facing portal that allows residents to view drone activity. This includes general information such as when the drone was deployed, the approximate location, and the type of call it was supporting. This is intentional. We recognize that with any new technology, especially one that operates in the airspace above our communities, there are questions and concerns providing visibility into how and when these systems are used, helps build trust, and reinforces the tools being used responsibly. At the same time, we are mindful that privacy and operational security, the information shared through the portal is designed to be transparent without compromising investigation, officer safety, or personal privacy. We do not share personally identifiable information or sensitive tactical details. Ultimately, this strikes a balance between transparency and responsibility and allows the public to see how the technology is being used while ensuring it's done in a way that protects both the community and our operations. So what is a real-time crime center? The real-time crime center, or RTCC, is a central hub that brings all of our technology, data, and information together in one operational environment. At a high level, you can think of the RTCC as a nerve center of modern public safety operations. Instead of information being spread across multiple systems, dispatch, cameras, reports, license plate readers, it is all consolidated in one place where it can be monitored and acted on in real time. Inside the RTCC, trained personnel are actively monitoring incoming information and supporting deputies in the field. They're not just watching screens. They're analyzing data, identifying patterns, and pushing relevant information directly to responding units while incident is still unfolding. This fundamentally changes how we operate. Traditionally, a lot of analysis happens after the fact, during the investigation phase. With the RTCC, we are moving that capability forward into the moment so the deputies are making better, more informed decisions as events are happening. It allows us to maintain a broader operational picture while deputies are focused on the immediate call. The RTCC can monitor surrounding activity, identify related vehicles or individuals, and coordinate resources across multiple incidents if needed. This means faster access to information, better coordination during critical incidents, and ultimately more effective service delivery without simply increasing staffing levels. In short, the RTCC will allow us to move from reactive model of policing to a more proactive intelligence-driven approach. The real value of the RTCC is simply isn't the room itself. It's the ability to integrate multiple systems into one operational picture. And, the strength of the RTCC really comes from the ability to integrate the multiple systems. One key component of that is our ability to bring in live camera feeds, both from our own systems and regional partners like the Coachella Valley Association of Governance or CVAG. CVAG has invested in a network of cameras across the valley and through the RTCC, we're able to access those feeds in real time that allows us to monitor major corridors, intersections, and key locations during critical incidents. Whether it's a fleeing suspect, a missing person, or a large public event. In addition to that, we integrate data from flock safety license plate reader cameras. These cameras capture vehicle information and allow us to identify vehicles associated with crimes, whether that's a stolen vehicle, a suspect vehicle from a recent incident, or a pattern tied to ongoing investigations. What's important is the information isn't sitting in separate systems. The RTCC brings it all together. So while a deputy is responding to a call, our team can quickly check nearby cameras, identify relevant vehicles through ALPR hits, and provide information in real time. This dramatically improves our ability to locate suspects and track movement. This is where the return on investment really comes into play. You're not just buying cameras or technology anymore. You're creating a connected system that allows all of these tools to work together, maximizing their effectiveness. A vehicle involved in a burglary crew hits a flock camera in Rancho Mirage, is picked up traveling westbound through Palm Desert, an Arctic operator simultaneously monitoring sea-vag traffic cameras while directing deputies in real time. This is where you get your bang for your buck. So while drones, first responders, are critical opponents, it's just one of several sensors feeding into the system. The real strength is in how these technologies are integrated and working together in real time. In addition to drones, we're leveraging camera systems from regional partners like Sea Bag, which give us visibility across major roadways, intersections, and key locations throughout the valley. We're also integrating data from flock safety license plate readers, cameras, which allow us to identify and track vehicles associated with crimes, whether it's a stolen vehicle, a suspect vehicle, or a pattern tied to ongoing investigations. When you bring all of this together, DFR, fixed cameras, ALPR, you create a layered approach to public safety, each system with a different role. Drones give us rapid real-time aerial awareness, Sea Bag cameras provide broad fixed coverage across the community, ALPR cameras help us set up and identify tracked vehicles, and the RTCC integrates all of these inputs into one operational picture. So instead of deputies responding with limited information, they're supported by a team that can see what's happening, identify key details, and provide actionable intelligence as situations unfold. This is a huge full multiplier for us, and it allows us to maximize the effectiveness of every piece of technology we've already invested in and ensures those systems are working together, not in silos. When we talk about efficiency, this is where technologies really deliver value for your cities. At its core, DFR and the RTCC allow us to make better use of resources we already have. Instead of simply adding more deputies to meet increasing demand, we're using technology to multiply the effectiveness of the personnel in the field. First, we're reducing response times in many cases where the drones arrive first and giving us immediate situational awareness that allows responding units to make better decisions before they even arrive, whether that's adjusting their approach, requesting additional resources, or in some cases, resolving the situation without escalation. Second, we're improving how we deploy our deputies with real-time intelligence from the RTCC, whether that's camera feeds, vehicle information, or live updates, we can send the right resources to the right place at the right time. This reduces unnecessary calls for backup, minimizes redundant responses, and keeps deputies available for the next call. Third, we're increasing call resolution efficiency. With better information up front, deputies are able to resolve incidents more quickly. That means less time tied up on an individual call and greater overall service capacity across the city. There's also a direct impact on costs. By improving efficiencies, we'll reduce reliance on overtime, limit the need for additional staffing, and in some cases, avoid deploying higher-cost resources like helicopters, canines, or SWAT teams. And finally, this improves consistency of service. Whether it's a routine call or critical incident, these tools help ensure that every response is supported by the same level of information and coordination. Ultimately, everything we discussed today comes down to how this benefits the community. First and foremost, it improves public safety outcomes by responding faster and better with information. We increase the likelihood of resolving incidents quickly, safely, and effectively, whether that's locating suspects, finding missing persons, or de-escalating a situation before it becomes more serious. These systems are not theoretical. Across the country, agencies are using real-time crime centers and have documented measurable improvements in public safety outcomes. National studies have shown increase in violent crime and property crime clearance rates, along with improved coordination between patrol, dispatch, investigation, and command staff. One of the strongest examples is the New Haven Police Department, which credits a real-time crime center and integrated technology approach with significant reduction in violent crime, including a 57% reduction in non-fatal shootings and 65% reduction in shots, fires, calls. I fully understand our communities here in the Cajulla Valley are not experiencing the same level of violent crime challenges as New Haven. However, these statistics clearly demonstrate it is how effective a real-time crime center can be at rapidly identifying suspects, coordinating resources, and helping close cases. We all know our communities are frequent targets for property crimes, theft rings, vehicle crimes, burglary crews, and organized retail crime. These same technologies, real-time crime center, integrated camera systems, ALPR, and coordinated responses are extremely effective tools for addressing those types of crimes as well. It also enhances transparency, accountability. Many of these systems, whether it's drone footage or integrated camera systems, provide recorded video of incidents. That creates a clear objective, a record of what occurred, which is important not only for our investigations, but also for maintaining public trust. From a city's perspective, this is about providing community with a modern, responsive, accountable public safety system, one that aligns with current expectations and future needs. So here's a slide that kind of shows what our deployment would look like. In this slide, you see there's, I believe there's six locations and there'll be 11 drones, but it actively covers all three communities within the Cove Commission. When we discussed this proposal, it was built around a five-year partnership with Axon Enterprises and Skydio to deploy a fully integrated drone as first responder program across Coachella Valley region. The total estimated program cost about $4.2 million over five years with an annual payments roughly around $846,000 per year. The total estimated, or what is important to understand is this not simply a purchase of drones, this is a complete operational ecosystem that includes docked DFR systems, patrol drones, software licensing, integration into our real-time crime center environment, unlimited evidence storage through Axon evidence platform, training, implementation, and long-term operational support. The proposal includes nine docked DFRs strategically positioned throughout the region along with four patrol drone systems that can be deployed dynamically based on operational needs. It also includes integration directly into the same Axon evidence ecosystem we already utilize. This is a shared regional capability that allows multiple communities to benefit from advanced technology without each city having to independently build and maintain a standalone program. And while there is certainly a cost associated with the program, the long-term value comes through faster response times, improved case resolution, increased operational efficiency. Ultimately, this represents an investment in modern public safety infrastructure that is scalable, sustainable, and designed to support future operation needs of our communities. This, currently, the sheriff's office is building a brand new dispatch center at our Palmetter Sheriff's Station location. This is a room that's been designated for the real-time crime center within that facility. So brand new, brand new building, brand new facility, and this is the layout of what that center would look like. The concept behind the RTCC is to create a centralized operational environment where intelligence, technology, and field operations all come together in real time. The facility is designed to support not only drone as first responder operations, but also integrations with CVAG camera systems, flock safety license plate readers, dispatch operations, investigative support, and large-scale coordination. At the center of the room is a large 12 by 6 ultra-high-resolution LED video wall capable of displaying live drone feeds, traffic cameras, dashboards, mapping systems, incident data, and real-time operational intelligence simultaneously. This facility also includes 12 dedicated analyst and operator workstations, integrated collaboration tools, remote conferencing capability, and dedicated secure audio-visual control network designed specifically for mission-critical public safety operations. What's important to understand is it's not simply a room with screens. This is operational infrastructure designed to support coordinated intelligence-led policing and real-time decision-making. From a regional perspective, this creates a centralized capability that multiple cities can leverage simultaneously during major incidents, large public events, or regional crime trends. RTC allows us to coordinate resources, monitor incidents as they unfold, and provide actual intelligence directly to deputies and command staff in the field. The estimated cost for the complete build-out including the video wall, processing systems, consoles, infrastructures, installation, integration, training, is approximately $1.2 million. While that is certainly a significant investment, the facility is intended to serve as a long-term public safety infrastructure that supports regional operations, improves efficiency, and enhances services delivered for years to come. Here's a slide that kind of indicates this is the company that we went with and this is three of their builds at three different locations. As we wrap up today, I want to leave you with a few takeaways. First, this initiative is about improving service to our communities. Droning first responders and real-time intelligence centers allow us to respond faster, operate more efficiently, and make better decisions in real time. Second, this is not about replacing deputies. It's about enhancing the effectiveness of the personnel we already have. Technology is a force multiplier, helping us manage increasing demands, staffing challenges, and rising service expectations in a more sustainable way. Third, the real value comes from integration. Drones, CVAG camera systems, Flock ALPR, technology, dispatch information, and analytics all become significantly more powerful when they're connected through the RTCC into one coordinated operational environment. Fourth, transparency and accountability remain central to this approach. From integrated evidence management to public-facing flight visibility, we are intentionally building these programs in a way that aligns with the community expectations and public trust. And finally, this is a long-term investment in modern public safety infrastructure. The communities we serve continue to evolve, and our ability to protect them effectively must evolve as well. Ultimately, this is about providing safer communities, better service, smarter operations, and public safety model that is sustainable into the future. Thank you. I have this last slide here. I want to show you one of our DFR units that's operating in the city of San Jacinto. They chose a program. This will be an incident that was resolved, and I'll show you a few takeaways from the call. This subject was seen walking away from that call for service. This subject was seen walking away from that call for service. This subject was seen walking away from that call for service. This guy fled the scene, and typically, in that type of situation, a deputy would respond in a foot pursuit, but because we had the drone overhead, they didn't have to chase him over fences. We maintained visual of him and kept an eye on him and provided information to deputies on scene. So when you watch that incident, typically, if you were watching cops, you would see a bunch of cops chasing after the guy, screaming with guns drawn, jumping over fences in unknown backyards, families, children, dogs, animals, things of that nature. But because of this drone and the information they were providing, they're all wearing headsets that would be receiving firsthand information about where the suspect was, the scene was much more calm. You didn't see one of those officers take off running, screaming, jumping. It was very, very controlled, and that is the power that we had to take off. So we get, our fear comes from the unknown. If we know, then we deescalate, we slow things down and our training kicks in. But when we don't know, things seem to escalate. So that was just an example. And I'm more than happy to take any questions. Okay. I'm sorry. Do my colleagues have any questions? Have you, have we run this by our neighbors, our cathedral city, La Quinta? So Palm Springs and Cathedral City are in a joint venture using DFR now, and they have a crime center which is being run out of the city of Palm Springs. But they are actively using drones, and they're actively using the crime center. The crime center that we will build will be able to link and integrate and speak to the city of Palm Springs. We'll be in direct communication. I'm trying to build a Coachella Valley-wide communication network so that we're not, crooks don't know jurisdictional boundaries. We kind of tend to operate those, but being able to communicate back and forth in real time. So if an incident is occurring within the city of Palm Springs and is traveling eastbound on the 111, we'll be getting real-time information and we'll be able to seamlessly integrate all that information. And how about, and I love that the Cove community is working together on this. Yes. It's far more effective. I just want to make sure that our neighbors are aware of what's happening so that, you know, the response, you're very wise to wait a while so that you've had the experience of how people have responded to this. and we've got to learn from other regions and other entities how people react and how it can be implemented and how we can respond to some of the reactions we get from the public. I just want to make sure that our neighbors are aware of what's going on so that there isn't any backlash that we aren't prepared to deal with. Yes, ma'am. I do know that the City of Palm Springs and the City of Cathedral City are currently already operating and are aware of our intentions to operate. I believe we were in discussions with the City of La Quinta. They were just kind of slow to the table. And with the Cove Commission being so effective and efficient in the way they operate, things were moving much more rapidly on this side. Thank you. I love the integration of intelligence. So I think it's working well. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. Well, then I'll open one. Oh, question? About a year ago, I was listening to the Chief of Police for Riverside PD and the District Attorney talk about, well, the Chief of Police of Riverside said in one day they arrested one man four times for auto theft. The message was there's not enough jail beds to house these guys and we're arresting the same ones over and over. As I listened to this presentation and I watched the tools, it appears to me that we're getting really good at arresting criminals. So much so that if there's not enough jail beds, are we just continuing to get better and better at arresting the same people over and over? Yes and no. So, yes, we are getting very good at arresting people. We know that people will re-offend. But we do know that the better we get, they choose different locations. We do interrupt their lifestyle. So maybe if they don't, if they choose not to victimize the residents of Palm Desert, Indian Wells, or Rancho Mirage because we have a system in place where we're very good at capturing them, maybe they'll choose to do their crime elsewhere. Unfortunately, the laws are provided to us by the state and we enforce the laws as written. So I have no control over who stays in jail but we are getting very, very good at capturing the bad guys which the community here would, I think, would benefit from knowing that we're taking care of them. Is the county working to increase jail capacity in any meaningful way? Absolutely. I know the sheriff has been active and I believe we even have a budget meeting set for the 8th where we've requested the remaining beds at the NDU or facility be reopened. However, I don't know how that's going to work for us with the Board of Supervisors. Council Member Moreno. I wanted to ask a couple of questions just so that they're on record. Do you know the approximate ratio of dispatchers that are retiring versus new hires? Because I imagine that's going to be a huge impact in how technology will feed into this. I don't know that number off the top of my head. I'm sorry. But I do know with everything within the county and within our services, attrition is always an issue. I believe we, I don't have that number off the top of my head. I'm sorry. Yeah, not a pop quiz. It was just the consensus that it takes more than a year to train them before they'll be able to even sit in front of any sort of dispatch capacity and it's hard to fill the positions. The good thing about a real-time crime center is it's not just dispatchers. What you will see at those desks and those operating tables are not dispatchers. You'll see deputy sheriffs, you'll see crime analysts, you'll see a dispatcher, and you'll see a drone pilot. All four are working as a team, a layered approach. So you receive a call for service. There's some suspect information. The crime analyst immediately begins analyzing all all that information. License plate, vehicle information, name, registered owner, all of those things, premise location. We can run a house trying to figure out these different things and all that text's there, but that's not a dispatcher's job. That would typically be a deputy's job, but when he's responding to a call, he's trying to do that on his computer or in his car, so he slows his response and does it. Now he has someone back at the station doing it for him, providing him the information. That information is being relayed by a dispatcher, but that room is not about dispatchers. It's about a team approach layer. We're really trying to create a layer of intelligence to feed the deputies as they're responding to the call to relieve them of a lot of extra work that they're doing in the car so that when they get to the car or when they get to the call for service, they're very well informed and have all the information they need. Thank you for reminding me that it's a separate room. I had the chance to tour the Palm Springs facility as part of the CVAC Public Safety Committee and it was astounding to see the number of overlapping systems, including where the call was placed, the surrounding responding officers so they know who to send, not just say who's closest. They know who to send, where the fixed locations are for the drones, who's going to get there in what area. I mean, it really was impressive to see all of that and as we're talking about maximizing our resources, I've been conscious for a long time to tell folks that law enforcement officers have gotten so many things tacked on to them that don't belong in your scope of why you wanted to join law enforcement and knowing how this can help with de-escalation, how this can help even our citizens on patrol if they're the first ones responding to the scene of an accident. I find a lot of this being very proactive and the cost savings as mentioned, you won't have to deploy any of the expensive equipment and units that you need in such a gigantic county. So those were all wonderful things to hear. Some of the questions that I had, where you said that the data is stored in evidence in the same system that captures the body cam footage? Yes, ma'am. How long is it stored in there? So I think we're at seven years for evidentiary. When it has an evidentiary, I believe it's three for non-evidentiary purposes, which is compliant, which is a key component of this and why it's so important with Skydio and Axon is the unlimited data storage they provide to us. Because if you start thinking about all of the high-definition video and the size of those videos and what that costs, it becomes, and that's a county cost, not a city cost, but that's absorbed through us, it becomes quite a lot of footage. It was interesting also that, and I'd asked who has access to this or who requests this most frequently, so in addition to agencies that you've pre-approved, that I was surprised that it's like the insurance companies and the lawyers that are the ones that are more likely to request it. So I thought that was interesting in the greater public service that we may not be considering in this. And I think that we get people that, you know, that's more of a comment. I'll save that on the side. My other question was, how do you consolidate people that are looking at it as an invasion of privacy? With ALPRs, we know that you don't have the expectation of privacy on public roads, but here you're looking around and through people's backyards where you do have an expectation of privacy. So how is that communicated to residents? So one of the things that happens when a drone is responding to a call, sort of a call for service, the camera is pointed out toward the horizon, not down. So as it's flying to whatever call for service it's going to, the drone is not searching backyards, it's not looking at streets. When it arrives at the call for service, then the camera's deployed and we begin searching, looking, providing information. On the way back, the camera goes up towards the horizon and it's there. So the key thing is that on the public transparency portal, for them to, number one, understand that we're not filming as we're flying there. So if you're in their backyard, you're not going to just catch a glimpse of you as we fly over. But also, if they saw the drone fly over them, they could immediately go to the portal. At the conclusion of every flight, the pilot has to go into his computer system, log the flight, provide a file number and a call for service and some just basic information. So if you had one fly over your backyard, you could go into the portal and go like, oh, I had a drone over my backyard. Let me see what it was. Oh, yep. There's, there's, it'll show a map. It'll show a line of its flight travel and you could go, oh, it was responding to a burglary in progress over on a street that was like two streets over and you would have all that information. So typically, that suffices. There are other people that may say, well, you guys, you're spying, all those things, but we're not and all of it's recorded. So all of those videos get uploaded so we could, if they needed to have a conversation with one of us, they could come down to the station and we could provide some context. So that makes wonderful sense. I'm happy to know that there is no live feed until you get to that area. But let's say that if that were to, that video happened to be at my home, for example, and somebody was there and then hypothetically, you know, Mayor Truby is my next door neighbor. at what point does it say, well, now this happened at this home, now we have the right to film over your property? It's the same as the helicopter. We're doing it now. This will just be on a more frequent level. I mean, there's, and ultimately, I think the mayor would be happy they were breaking into your house and not his. And hopefully, I think he would be happy that we caught them before they got to his house. I mean, at least that's what I would think. These are questions on record because we need to get people that said they're smart cities and you're opening us up to all of these things and these are common questions that I know we're going to be fed. Can I ask, make a comment now or are there more questions? I've got a few questions and then we'll move on to discussion. Gina, did you have any? Okay. A couple questions. These are more about the numbers, I guess. You talked about a $4.2 million cost for implementation. That's separate from the RTCC Control Center. Yes. Okay. So, total about $5.4 million to implement this whole program between the three cities. Costs shared among the three cities, I guess that wouldn't be equally since we're all different sizes. You're going to have to figure out kind of a prorated... I believe your guys as city managers are all discussing those numbers now. Okay. Based on population or historical calls or... It'll be year one by drone count, most likely. And then once we see data after year one, we can refine the cost distribution. Okay. Sounds good. And then I also noticed on the RTCC, you mentioned there are 12 analyst operators or space for 12. Yes. I would imagine that it... And I'm making an assumption here, but you said four on a team, so this way they can work at 24 hours shift. There's three times four is 12. You could conceivably have 12 working at a given time. Are those new positions or are we kind of repurposing... We're currently going to repurpose people we already have within the organization. We're not going to do any add-ons. Okay. So we're not growing staff by virtue of implementing this program. Okay. And that's actually, I believe, all I had. So I guess if we're all done with questions, we'll open up to discussion. I have one last question. Of course. I'm sorry. And following up Mayor Pro Tem's example, and I remember hearing that before, and it's a great question. Are we just getting better at catching the same folks? I understand it is a deterrent and they'll go somewhere else, but in the meantime, has it led to any improved conviction rates? Yes. So all of this direct evidence, we have become... At the prosecution level, the prosecutors love us. It becomes a slam dunk case. We have between identifying license plates, all of that. We have real-time video feed that's being recorded all within a secure evidentiary system. They become slam dunk cases. They do not even get to a jury, a judge or a jury. They're more than likely put out because the evidence is so good. Thank you. Okay. Very good. So I guess we're going to start the discussion phase if anybody wants to... Well, I'll start then. I really enjoyed the presentation, all the detail, and you made a very strong case for improving public safety, transparency, making your job much easier, and it's going to be much safer for our police officers as well. Like you said, they're not going into a situation blind, not knowing how dangerous it is if there's a gun going to be pointed at them. So those are all great things, and I am very supportive and look forward to this technology. The only negative I see, Council Member Marino brought it up, is individual freedom that we do give up as a society. And I do worry about our individual freedoms, and it's something that we just have to weigh as a society, but I believe this is a step that will really improve our community. And based upon what you said about having citizens, the opportunity to go to the police station and discuss their concerns about the breach of privacy, I believe that's very important. So, yes, I'm supportive. Anybody else? Yeah. In terms of the same context of what we're giving up and what we're gaining, I always put it into the mind of people say, I don't want it, I don't want it, I don't want them looking at me until it's your loved one that's missing, until there's that Amber Alert, until there's a missing person. And then they say, well, where's the cameras? Why didn't the cameras catch it? Well, cameras don't catch everything and the cameras aren't everywhere. So that's one element. And in the info that they presented in Palm Springs, somebody mentioned, you know, the school shooting in Uvalde and the kind of situation when people hesitate because they don't want to go in blind. And we were shown an image of Palm Springs High School. And again, what would it look like where the heat sensors are to say, look, there's someone hiding on the roof. And because somebody that's responding from out of the Coachella Valley from another area doesn't know the layout of the school, this can help with that. So, you know, when we look at cameras on the streets, we sometimes aren't looking ahead at the decisions that we're making and how they can help our students feel safer. That in the event that something happens, there'll be an easier way to respond to keep people safe. So it's the balancing act that we have to do in the 21st century. We want some technology. We don't want all of it. But how do we balance that? Given all of those considerations, I think it's important to support. Okay. And I guess the consensus, it sounds like we're supportive of pursuing this program. I'll just voice one concern. You know, at the rate of, I guess change or progress of AI, computers, it's technology. I would never want to see the human element removed from policing. And that would be my one concern. You know, then you turn everything over to automation and you remove the kind of human empathetic element or decision making. That'd be my one concern. I'd like to think I'll know it when I see it, but I hate to think there's a slow creep towards that. So that's what I'm sort of vigilant against and on guard for. So hopefully we're all on the same page there. But besides that, I say we move forward with this program. So you want to move forward as long as there's no robo dogs. Yeah. The movie was good, but in reality, it might not be so nice. But yeah, that sounds like the plan. Good. Thank you. I appreciate the presentation. And it looks like we've got about 18 minutes until closed session. We're going to dive into the Dave Irwin. I thought we have another item. That's what I'm saying. I might want to address that. We've got the Dave Irwin presentation. I guess we'll start it and see where we wind up. Okay. Very good. Then we move on to item 2B, Dave Irwin Park Project Update, Design Progress, Budget Assessment, and Strategic Options. We're going to get a presentation, please. The whole crew's here. Very good. Thank you. Honorable Mayor, fellow council members, Ryan Lamb of the Capital Projects Department. We'll be presenting the Dave Irwin Park Project. Along with me is Sean Muir, our Community Services Manager, as well as for any technical questions that we might have if we don't have the information. We also have our design team from InterWest. We have Scott Harrison and Ryan Spradlin that will be joining us in the presentation as needed. So we are here to review the project. You last saw it in April of 2025 where the conceptual design and the park name was approved by the council. And we're going to present the schedule impact since then, the design progress and the associated budget, strategic options moving forward, how we can proceed with the next steps. We're looking for the feedback from you on how we move forward, as well as the impact on the project budget and associated funding in order with those decisions and how they're related. So for the schedule impact, so the project timeline in April of 2025 in that presentation, that was a conceptual level schedule that was put together by the team and that had the, in May of 2025, would commence the environmental studies. By December of 2025, they anticipated having 100% plans. February of 26, we'd look into award construction, award contract for construction. and then March 26 to commence with the construction with an estimated 24-month duration for completion of that. Today's project timeline is now more refined. We have, as the project has developed, we have, we're now at 60%. We are looking, based on decisions and feedback that we receive from the council today, will guide us towards where the actual completion of the plans are. But we're looking at at the 100% completion of plans in January of 27, which then would go out to bid and we would look to award in April of 27. And then construction, depending on, again, direction decisions on how we would look to implement the project. If we were to do a full build-out in a single phase of the entire project, we'd be looking at 24 months, completing construction in April of 29. And then we have phased approach with, which would be 18 months for a phase one, which we'll cover in a moment, of what that looks like with completion in fall of 28 for that first phase. And then that would lead into the second and third phase over the next two years after that through 2030, which would be an overall project duration of 42 months. Quick question. Yes. I saw the CEQA study commenced. When was it completion? What's the... It was completed in December of 25. Oh, yep. And we'll have a little bit more on that here. So you'll see a little more clarity on that as well. So some of the items that were impacting the schedule. So the Palm Villas at Millennium, there are three points of connection to our park project and park site. And so we've been working through that element. We have a pedestrian and as well as vehicular access points and connections that we've been working through in realignment with that project. along that line also, there was road access between technology... From the roundabout at Technology and Zenith, we had to do a land acquisition in order to have the space that we needed for the right-of-way in order to access the park site from the east. And that's an important... You know, not only from circulation, accessibility, but also emergency vehicles and maintenance vehicles for that traffic flow. There is... On the east end of the site, there is an easement for the adjacent property. So we're working with the city engineer to abandon that easement because it's not necessary based on the existing development. But ultimately, that does need to be abandoned before we can construct on that site in that area. And that is in the area of the maintenance yard, which we'll see in a moment. So again, going back to the environmental. So we had the... There was already... It was started already prior to the conceptual approval, but ultimately the supplemental work that was required for the environmental study, that all wrapped up in December of 2025. So now we're... That's behind us. And then we will look to have a... To do a notice of exemption when we do award the project for construction. So topographical survey and hydrology study. Additional surveys were required because of the section 29 work that is on the site and adjacent to it. And that was completed in August in 2025. But the result of that, especially with the hydrology study, identified the need for a new retention basin. So that added additional time for that civil work, that design, and engineering associated. So while as large as that basin is there on the west end of the site, the gravity, the flow, the percolation of the soil and the elevation change required or, you know, necessitated the need for a basin on the east end of the site, which you can see. So in the blue, everything, all of that, that water flow would be going towards the main basin, the large basin, which is designated as 9A. And then all of the red, that is what the water would be flowing to the east and ultimately be caught in that basin there at the very east end. And then electoral utilities. So we're constantly coordinating with Edison so both on-site and off-site utilities to ensure that we have, that they're able to provide service to the site, where it's coming from, and that level of effort and coordination. It's a lengthy process that we have to work through with Edison and so that's continuing to be ongoing. Thank you, Ryan. Afternoon, Council. So just hearkening back to the initial approved concept plan for the park. This was presented in April 2025. And as you may recall, the development of the programming for the park was accomplished through a long process of community engagement. We had two online surveys, five in-person open house meetings, an HOA meeting on Zoom, and received all of the public input that led to the programming for the park. in April 2025, when this was presented, we gave a rough order of magnitude cost for construction, and it was estimated at $19 million. And since then, we've moved forward in the progression of the design, and Ryan will walk us through that shortly. But today, the current design looks like this. There have been some additions, as I mentioned. Ryan will walk us through those. The estimated all-in project costs are now $35 million. I want to note that we've included street improvements on this, and they're included in the design. However, the improvements themselves are not included in the construction costs for the park. So as we move through the presentation, that's something to keep in mind. But you'll notice that we've retained all of the initial programming elements that were included in the conceptual plan that was presented a year ago, and then made improvements on the design from there based on the needs for the project site. So moving on to the scope additions that we discussed since the concept design was approved. So that 9B basin, which is the smaller basin on the east end of the site. So that is incorporated into the planned maintenance yard. So it does not impact the parks program or amenities. So that is strictly enclosed within that maintenance yard. The sound wall, while it was identified in the conceptual plan, the extent of the wall as far as its length, its height, and the structural requirements associated with it were not fully refined because it was at a conceptual phase. since we went through the Environmental Quality Act requirements, we identified the necessity of it, and it is the full length of the project site, which is nearly a half a mile, and a minimum of six feet, and then the structure as well. So it is a very robust element within the project and a costly element, but it is a necessity and it is a requirement. around the basin, so the basin, given the size of the basin in order to meet the needs for it to function as a stormwater mitigation measure, the sides around that basin are relatively steep, but in order to still use it functionally, we look to incorporate some seating, some terrace seating, accessibility ramps, and other seating areas on both sides for that way for it to function also as a park and not just simply as a retention basin. The Dinosaur roundabouts and the street improvements that Sean had mentioned, so that is incorporated into the design of the project, but we do have alternative funds that we are going to utilize to address it, so when you see these items that are incorporated into the project, it is in the contract for the design team to engineer it and design it, but when we do bid it out, we'll have alternate funding that will be available for it and depending on feedback that we receive from the council today as well, we can identify whether that priority is escalated and moved up sooner or if it runs in tandem with the actual park development and implementation. And then I had mentioned the off-site dry utilities, so that scope, we are looking to now incorporate Wi-Fi capability across the park as well as the extent of what the utilities are required in order to serve the expanse of that park. So this is a little matrix to kind of give a little more refined look at what the difference is between what was approved in 2025, where we are with the current design and a potential proposed phase delivery method. So as Sean mentioned, the approximate construction only cost of that design from last year was at $19 million, which relates to an all-in project cost of $31 million. So the other items that are not captured in the $19 million, obviously we have design services, construction management, plan check fees, other agency fees, utilities, all of that, that culminates into the total project, all-in project cost of $31 million. With the additional scope items, that $19 went up to $23 million, and an overall all-in project cost of $35 million. And if we were to look at a phase delivery option in line with what we would see as a minimum necessity in order for the park to function as a park to serve its stormwater retention needs in order to have a playground, parking, road accessibility, all of that, you'd be looking at a $15 million construction cost with an all-in project cost of $22 million. And you'll see in a moment we have the budget summary sheet for the annual CIP, where originally it was, we had an estimate of $39 million identified for the park, not the $35 million. The reason for that was earlier construction estimates for the project that we were able to refine and get more deliberate and get it less conservative, as well as the $2.5 million that we're estimating for the Dinosaur roundabouts and street improvements that are also getting pulled out from the Dave Irwin Park budget. So strategic options. So going back to the current design, this is option one, would be the complete delivery in a single phase that we'd be looking at for $35 million that would be cash flowed over the three years. And that would have all the amenities other than the roundabout item, as I mentioned, that will be incorporated, but the $35 million does not capture that cost. It is a separate cost, but it is ultimately delivered into the project. And a potential phased approach, that would be the $22 million. So this would be the core elements that would be required in order for us to have a functional park that we have the maintenance, or I'm sorry, not the maintenance, but yes, we have the maintenance yard, but also we have a landscape buffer there on Dinosaur. We have a parking lot that would serve at the paved parking lot, fully developed. We have the minimal to serve the park as developed, with number 25 there, that being the future expansion of the main parking lot, but that would be DG, so it would be basically serve as an overflow for if there was larger events. There would be a playground, restroom facility, the basin, and back to the maintenance yard and road that would circulate around the project site. And that would be the minimum that we would need in order to entertain that to actually have a park started. So items that are not included in that phase one. So this is a list, I won't go through them item by item, but this is today's cost. So we have the $22 million, and then all of these add up to your $13 million that gets us to the $35 million, and that is the all-in project cost for that to be delivered. And again, reiterating, the Dinosaur roundabouts and street improvements are not incorporated here on the list because they are going to happen. It's just not, they're not being pulled out in any way from the phasing. So what that looks like from the three phases of how that would work. So you have the phase one with the minimal items in order for it to function, and then a phase two in 2029 and a phase three in 2030. And now that all-in cost due to escalation, we have approximately 7.6% escalation per year. So those last two phases over those last couple years has escalated the four and five years out. That now increases that remaining $13,000, or I'm sorry, $13 million up to $15 million. So ultimately, the all-in project cost due to escalation would be $37 million. Now, this is, we're not recommending the phasing. We're looking for you to give us your feedback what we prefer, but if you were to phase, this would be our recommendation of how to phase it. It's based on constructability, feasibility, priorities of the community, and that's how we identified that this is the best way to phase the project if we weren't willing to phase it. And one of the elements that was incorporated into the final project was the splash pad, and we are recommending that the splash pad be omitted from the project. It would be, not only would it be a significant savings to the project, but we also, we would really want to activate PDAC that much more. That is a water feature, water element for the community, and that it would be best served to keep people going to PDAC, and then we can use that space at the park, at Dave Irwin Park, for, you know, it could just be grass play area and whatnot, or picnic area that would be better served and without that added cost. So moving on to project funding. So the measure G spending plan we had identified for this coming fiscal year, originally for the regional, the north side parks, for at $15 million, but given the state of the project and where we're at, that we do not need those funds now in this fiscal year. We would need the little over $3.1 million to get us to the next fiscal year. And as I mentioned, you had the recent budget study session that where we were showing this would have been, this is a phase delivery approach with the $39 million estimate that where you see the total of $22 million through fiscal year 28-29 and then implemented the phase two in phase three in 29-30 and 30-31. And if we were to, if the decision was to go with a single delivery, single phase delivery, that would move the funds, the impact to the general fund would be higher in the earlier years where we would have a larger share of $25 million in year two and then the $6.8 million in year three. Now, I just want to put an emphasis on the North Sphere Regional Park that still, that project is still moving forward. We have the feasibility study, budgeted for year two, $5 million to ensure that we are still progressing on that project as well. So I just wanted to highlight some of the grant opportunities that staff are also pursuing for this project. In addition to what Ryan just shared about the budget, we've received a grant for $300,000 for the design of Dave Irwin Park and that's through the Coachella Valley Mountains Conservancy. They're a partner of the city and we want to continue moving forward with them as we progress into construction so you'll see some additional opportunities that we're pursuing with them as well. And then later this year there are two upcoming grant opportunities, urban greening and the statewide parks program which we intend to apply for funding for. And I want to note on the application amount if the grant has already been received we put the application amount, however, the other amounts listed are the maximum potential application and it might be advisable to target where we place those grant asks so that we can capitalize on our best assets that meet the criteria for the grant. So we may not apply for the maximum amount for each of those grants but those are what is listed in the table. So we'll continue to pursue those moving forward and supplement the construction budget where we can. So I'm looking at this right now. So the urban greening grant program you have about a week from today to get that completed and you're on target for that. Am I reading this? Yes, that's correct. Okay. And we would be applying for five million that would go towards the park. We're actually looking at three million and that is new information just from this week. And that's because of like I said the grant criteria there's only certain aspects of the park construction that best meet the grant criteria so we want to submit the most successful application possible. I see. Yes. I understand now. Thank you. So to give a recap of the project status and where we're at so we have as mentioned we have the flow analysis identified for 39 million in the project budget from the general fund but the requirement that would be needed if we were to do a single phase would be the 35 million and if we did the three phases it would be 37 and we do have other funds that we would be able to potentially tap into that are adding up to about 535,000 annually each year and so if we did not want to utilize the general funds for that we could utilize that and repurpose those funds and use the general funds elsewhere which you know the breakdown of the 33-4 to the general and then the 34-3 to the general if it was a three phases and as Sean mentioned we are actively and aggressively pursuing these grants and so any award that we might receive would also then offset any need for general funds as well but we also recognize that we can't plan for something we don't have so we want to ensure that while we hope we're going to get it we're also planning to ensure that we have the ability to move forward on items when we don't so the schedule to recap on the final completion of January 27 looking to award and that is for full development whether we phase the implementation and construction the documents will be fully developed across for the entire project and if we do end up going with the phased approach we would just have to you know cut up the package into different phases and for what we would put on the street for bid again the non-phased construction 24 months and the phased approach for the first phase of 18 months and then phases two and three to follow so direction that we're looking for from the council today that one funding strategy do we want to use all of the to go all in on the general fund with a single phase do we want to multi-phase do we want to offset with other funds as well and is there any scope changes we want to see we want to see what we have that is currently programmed like we had recommended to pull out the splash pad are there any are there other items that are of priority or less priority that you would like to see us reassess for whether it should be incorporated or added to if there's something that isn't in there and then I mentioned the phased approach for the single or the double and then alternative pricing if that splash pad is ultimately you know if you're in agreement that we would remove that from the project scope and with that I'll open up for any questions or comments thank you very much any questions from my colleagues okay yeah in other conversations and study sessions we've been talking about prioritizing some of the capital improvement projects which are we spreading ourselves too thin in the event that we should want to push it out further clearly it will be more expensive but would we be at risk of breaking any contracts or is are the contracts that we have now time sensitive to deliver this clearly we know things will get more expensive but it will also get more expensive to delay the existing capital projects that we're not finishing so help me understand what are the consequences if we don't proceed on track yes so so right now currently we do have the grant for the $300,000 grant for the design which we do need to complete that on schedule in order to receive that reimbursement and we will we're doing that we're going to plan to do that we're going to get that done ensure that there is no impact there so ultimately it is the implementation and the construction so we do not have any contracts with contractors we have contracts with our design consultants and our construction manager now if we do push any work out you know obviously there is always their you know labor rates and their service rates increase over time so their contracts are time driven that their their rates for their individuals that are working their you know a certain dollar figure per hour for the work if it were to be pushed out you know four years five years six years then those labor rates could potentially increase so we'd be looking at that that is definitely a more minimal impact to the project it truly is the construction cost and the escalation that is the big impact to the project so as it is gets as it does get pushed out the more it gets pushed out the more the project is going to cost further down the road and that is really that's where you're you're going to see the impact not contractually thank you very much question and I think I know the answer but I just want to verify we are obligated to build this park through an agreement with Millennium is that correct wasn't there an agreement to yeah through the Millennium specific plan right okay so not building is not a choice correct okay very good okay okay so it's just up to us to decide to what scale and scope we want to build it councilmember Hornick if we just hit the ground running on this park can you identify other projects that might be delayed because of that so projects would not be delayed it's just a matter of how much we're going to be tapping into the general fund reserve in order to fund it okay so it's not we're not going to take away if your decision is to do it now put more money into it now it's not going to pull from the other projects thank you thinking of a way to phrase this as a question we have in phase three several items that were placed in phase three keep optionality for probably for probably good reason meaning that maybe they aren't the things that the community has expressed the greatest desire for except for I'd imagine a dog park is pretty still high up on the list we have a couple of options which is to take on this project do it now it'll be cheaper long term phase it keep optionality with our reserves pay a longer amount or do either one of those with a reduced scope I'm looking at phase three as opportunities to reduce the scope as a matter of opinion I think the recommendation to omit the splash pad is a smart one considering what we're dealing with PDAC and the maintenance issues associated with splash pads what demand is there from the community for things like fitness and agility bocce core event stages and things like that I can help with that one starting with bocce we did have a small community turnout there's a petanque arena at hopefully soccer park and some of those folks came out expressing desire to also play bocce so we did have some community input about that specifically the farmers market was another big highlight especially for people in the nearby community who wanted to have event space or a nearby farmers market that they could walk to from their homes and then with the dog park you mentioned there was a strong community input wanting a dog park however there is a dog park less than a mile away at university dog park so that's why it's placed further down the list but essentially the fitness and agility is fitness equipment that is more standard to parks nowadays and then basically the farmers market it's in the third phase because of the location of it so even though it was desired by the community because of the location on Dinah Shore and Pacific it would be part of the third phase development when we say desired by the community I take into consideration that it's a desire of the people who showed up to the meeting and either have an agenda or when not required to consider the trade-offs of the money will express a desire for any number of things that they like which is fine we have the challenge of having to reconcile their desires with the reality of what we can afford at any given time and so I think this is a good conversation to have it's a tough one I'm torn between saying let's bite it off and reduce part of the scope and do it now phasing it I know the risk of costs continuing to climb and climb is a real one that's kind of my initial thinking on this right now okay well I will comment then I believe we're obligated to do this as we all know and okay we've got some questions people are commenting and not actually just asking questions but if Jan has a question and yeah I apologize I thought we were still just simply on questions my question is and Mayor Proton brought it up about the fitness and agility course and it's what have we learned I know what my experience has been with the fitness equipment at this park and it's my experience has been is that it's not used what have we learned about fitness and agility courses are they truly an asset or are they something we put in because it feels good and it sounds good I'd like us to make sure we're looking at that closely before we we expend those funds I can speak to that a little or if our consultant wants to weigh in just in general on the fitness equipment I did check into that at this park specifically because after installing it you know being here during the day I did not observe people using it however you know asking about it and doing a little research there are people that are here in the very early morning that do use it on a daily basis so you know it might not be the most used asset in the park but it does get use and I I've heard the same in neighboring cities as well any more further questions okay we'll open up for discussion or comments if councilmember justandy would like to make a comment all right well thank you well for one we've already have watched this wonderful presentation and the citizens in the north sphere and that is my district I will say they do reach out to me and they're very excited about this park and not doing it in phases and I believe we do have an obligation because doing it in phases is not going to save our city money it's going to cost our city money so all we're really doing I believe is alienating the residents that live in the north area and then they're going to look at the civic park for those that live farther south and say this this looks disparate it's not equal and so I believe we do have an obligation to move forward I do think perhaps the splash pad is something we forgo based upon what staff has presented and but otherwise I'm very supportive of doing it all at once phase one councilmember harnick time for comments I absolutely agree I feel it's my district too because I'm representing the city and we definitely need to give those community residents a place and a park splash pad will become given what we know about the wind and the venturi effect impact will become a mud pad quite often so to take that away and then to redirect people to use PDAC I think is a great idea I think we jump in we get it done as we delay a construction project we increase the cost of the construction project so I do support just getting it done councilmember sorry councilmember moreno did you have any comments in our magic crystal ball of what's coming up in the north part of town we are crossing our fingers to have some new hotels coming right and potentially looking at other TOT coming in around the desert surf area was that correct okay so I'm seeing some nodding heads I just wanted to be sure that okay what I'm looking at is again the projections that we've seen the shifts that we have made to be sure that we are fiscally sound in you know eight nine years into the future everything's going to cost more every single thing is going to cost more no matter when yes we are contractually obligated that's not something I dispute I'm just wondering can we maybe even push things out a little bit further I truly believe that we need to prioritize the current ongoing capital improvement projects because those things are going to get more expensive too and we can't make everybody happy and I agree with the council members it's not a matter of we don't serve the city I think that was a comment that minimizes how often your residents reach out to you because you're there there's one thing to hear comments but I know how often they're reaching out to you and people are wanting it but I think that I would really like to see what other projects could be prioritized or coming ahead so again I don't dispute it I don't have an opinion on which phases because I would rather see which are the current projects and how close they are to completion before we chomp somewhere else and I thought the question was asked that there aren't other capital improvements that are going to suffer at the expense of moving forward with the all-in phase one that is correct the projects that are currently on our list and in the queue to complete with design and implementation that whether the decision is to do it now for Dave Irwin Park to do it all now or phase it won't impact the current CIP project schedule thank you for confirming and I support moving forward and just doing it all at once with the suggestion that we look at the things that you've listed in potential phase three if we had phased it and consider the absolute necessity of including those that would be my suggestion if we're going to move forward all at once is look at those phase three things and really question are they absolutely necessary and if they are are they necessary at the current designed intensity yeah I actually agree with Mayor Pro Tem you know I consider myself a fiscal conservative if you want to look at everything through the lens of can we afford it and of course that takes on a lot of different meanings when you talk about escalating costs so I agree about biting the bullet now building all at once with the an eye on specifically those phase three items the exercise track et cetera et cetera and moving forward now the one thing that struck me was you mentioned that even at the total build out of 35 million correct if it was all done at the same time and the general fund cash flow indicates we have 39 million available to do this project without going into reserves that would go into the reserves but it still maintains our reserve policy et cetera et cetera we're still conforming to all those other constraints it does what it does is it accelerates how it dips into the reserve more so than when we had it spread out over time staff is really looking at our options on how we can do all things right and so in September we will come back to you with a financing option once again because one of the things that we haven't talked about is we've talked about it 7.6 escalator each year on construction costs our rates right now for debt is about 4.5% on a very large issuance for say 85 million that delta is where we're under by issuing debt so we can get everything done now and what that does is could give us the ability to spread those costs over time to the people who are actually using the facilities over time and give them the benefit of using them with actually the cost being associated with their use versus it going towards the people who have already put the money into our reserves now and it's a way for you to maintain your reserve policy the funding that you have in savings and get all of those projects done more expediently it's just a concept that we want to give you as an option later so that there isn't this pressure on the reserve as much as there is now this is actually a bit of a question I suppose but you know these are all estimates on building costs you really don't know until you go to RFP and get true construction costs returned from potential builders so you do stand the risk of running into the same problem we ran into with the library even with the library that's still at the estimated level whereas we would be bringing forward we wouldn't require commitment for contractually until the project was fully designed and then we put it out to bid and then ultimately those hard numbers would either confirm that we can deliver at that cost or if they were a bust at the time we're looking crystal ball again seven months down what could that be and then perhaps if that is the case then we would bring it back and say phasing is our recommendation right now we're not recommending one over the other it's a budgetary decision and an item as far as Mayor Pro Tems comments about the program items in future phases there are some of those that we are actively looking to see how we can co capitalize on existing areas one being the farmers market that it's currently identified and located there along the Dinah Shore landscape area we're looking at opportunities the park area so that might be something that would already have the opportunity to move into an earlier phase regardless as well as some of those items that they drive our grant opportunities so we don't want to necessarily just because it's later in the phase look to have them pulled out because they could be an element that a grant it's an opportunity for us to go after a grant in you can come back once we go out for RFP get the estimates on build out and then we can still have some flexibility to pursue a different model correct until we would come back to a ward of contract there is no money officially committed with the exception of our design services contract that we which were already in the process of evaluating for a change order because their original contract was of their contract were pulling out the regional park so they're going to be focused that contract will only be doing the community park as well as all the scope changes that were increasing the cost of that contract but that estimate that 35 million is incorporating those pending contract change order that we'll be bringing forward to you here in the near future okay so you're comfortable with the direction from council I greatly appreciate Veronica Ms. Chavez that you mentioned where we're looking at the acceleration rate and what those options are I think that that puts my mind at ease a little bit more and if we could get some of that info for the next presentation I would greatly appreciate that to help look at everybody and the community as they scrutinize where we're spending every dollar thank you thank you okay very good thank you thank you appreciate it all right so that concludes our study session I now call to order the closed session of the Palm Desert City Council I'm going to ask for public comment for closed session items only and this item has been set aside for members of the public to address the city council on items contained only on the closed session agenda within the three minute time limit city clerk anybody online no online comments I have no blue card I have no blue cards so I suppose we're going to go into closed session now go into closed session you

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So our agenda for today, tonight, we will move from high- level financial picture into individual operating budgets. We'll begin with council goals, the general fund projections, discuss expenditures, cash flow, reserves, the all-fund summary, staffing, organizational reallocations, our operational budgets and the 10-year CIP. So, at the very lead, total revenues are projected to be $112.6 million with total expenditures at $112.5 million, leaving a modest , as Chris mentioned, fund balance of $69,000. The margin is narrow and it reflects the reality of the current environment. Costs are increasing, service demands continue to evolve, and major capital needs require careful planning. At the same time, this budget preserves core services, advances council's priorities, and keeps the city moving forward. People generally think that more revenue means budgeting will be easy. This year's budget was not easy, as the city continues to be deliberate , disciplined, and transparent about the trade-offs of our decision-making. That said, as Chris mentioned, the city remains fiscally stable and as we work to achieve our goals. Right here, you see the 2026 city council goals. Throughout the budget process, departments were asked to evaluate the request through the lens of service delivery, community impact, operational risk, and alignment with the adopted priorities. The proposed budget supports the city council goals, including all those listed here, and the result is not simply a spending plan. It is a policy implementation tool that connects the next available resources to council's direction and community outcomes we are trying to achieve. Next up, I will ask Sky Volkovich to lead the presentation on general fund revenue projections. Good afternoon, Mayor, members of city council, Sky Volkov ich, management analyst in the finance department. As we turn to review revenues for fiscal year 25-26, we adopted a budget at 109.7 million and we currently are anticipating ending this fiscal year's budget at approximately 112. This increase is primarily due to receiving a full years of district tax, district tax, revenue. As previously discussed, revenue growth is continuing to normalize and for fiscal year 26-27, staff is projecting relatively flat growth with the general fund revenues estimated at 112.6 million. On the next slide, we will take a deeper dive into the key drivers that are behind the 112.6 million projection. The city's three top revenue sources are just district tax, district tax, district tax, and transit occup ancy tax which also includes short-term rentals. District tax is currently projected at 27.5, sales tax at 25.2, TOT at 23.5. Property tax is the fourth largest revenue source for the city projected at 12.4 million with all remaining revenue categories totaling approximately 24 million. Staff has taken a measured approach to revenue assumptions and will continue to monitor performance throughout the fiscal year. We have any questions? There are no questions on the revenue section. We'll move on to grant funding. We'll ask Daniel Hurtado to go over the details. Grant funding remains an important tool for advancing city priorities without pacing the full burden on the general fund. I did have one quick question. Sorry, it was the previous slide about there was a reduction in rent and I'm assuming, well, I'll ask the question, I don't want to assume. It was Parkview being nullified. Reduction in rent. Rental income, rent and interest was one of the categories of about 5.2 million, reduced down to about 4.8 if I remember from the previous slide. Sorry. And I just want to verify the why and I'm assuming it's Parkview but I want to hear it from you. So it's not Parkview because that doesn't go into the general fund but let me look into it. My computer is down right now and I'll pull it up as soon as I get it up. It wasn't a major number but it was a reduction. Thanks. It's not coming to mind. I'll get it. Daniel. Good afternoon, Mayor and City Council. Go ahead, Jen. Quick question. Is it the building here that we're no longer? That also goes into the Parkview fund . So just give me a few seconds and I'll look it up for you guys. The substation also goes into Parkview. Yes. Okay. Thank you. All right. Good afternoon, Mayor, members of the City Council. Daniel Hurtado, Public Safety Coordinator. The table provided reflects current grant awards, pending applications and major funding opportunities that city staff has pursued or is actively tracking. To date, the city has applied for approximately 39.5 million in grant funding and has been awarded approximately 12.3 million. These funds support a wide range of city priorities including safety, housing, transportation, infrastructure, sustainability, emergency preparedness, community programs, and long-term planning efforts. Grant funding is an important tool for bringing outside revenue into Palm Desert. However , it is important to note that the city will not receive every grant it applies for. Many programs are highly competitive, have limited funding, or include specific eligibility requirements. When an application is not awarded, staff uses that experience to improve future applications, strengthen project readiness, and better align future requests with grantor priorities. This is one of the key reasons that the city adopted a formal grant policy and tracking process last year during December. A major highlight continues to be the city's federal funding efforts. Federal earmarks now commonly referred to as community project funding in the house and congressionally directed spending in the senate represent a significant opportunity for large-scale projects that may otherwise be difficult to fund through local resources alone. These requests require strong project justification, clear community benefit, city council support, staff coordination, and continued advocacy at the federal level. Those will be listed on the second table below starting with the SS4 at the federal, I'm sorry, at the Portuela interchange, library veterans resource center, and so forth right there in that area. These federal requests have focused on major infrastructure improvements, public safety needs, emergency resilience planning, resource centers, and projects that will benefit Palm Desert and the surrounding region. City staff will continue research and evaluate grant opportunities that are feasible, competitive, and aligned with the city council goals. The city's goal is to pursue grants that make sense for Palm Desert, support long-term community needs, and help leverage outside funding for projects that improve the quality of life for residents, businesses, and visitors. And that'll conclude my portion and I'd just like to say that it is not myself, it is a team effort, it's all of the city council as well as city staff. So thank you. I'm here to answer any questions. My question is regarding joint applications. I know there's a lot of things that are collaborative done, collaboratively done through CVAG, but for example, if things like CERT, where it goes through the three different cities. Do any of these grant applications collaborate to share either resources or best practices with another local city? The only grant that comes to mind would be the Department of Homeland Security, the EMPG or Emergency Management Performance grants. That would be utilized for CERT or for any of our products for that. That would be an application. I know this year the county did drop it a lot lower than it usually has been in the past. Historically, the city was able to get almost close to 20 grand or 20,000, I'm sorry, and this year it's been dropped down to almost 5,000, where it's not really feasible to apply for. But I mean moving forward that that would be a good COVE opportunity to apply for as the three cities receiving one grant and hopefully increase our amount on those ends. But there is some that do have those partnership opportunities. All right, thank you so much. This is kind of just a general question about trends and things like that over time preceding this budget. Has it been your experience that a larger portion or smaller portion of our budget or any city's budget in California comes more and more from grants and less and less that are in-house or sustaining? Yeah, that's actually something that I keep a close eye on post redevelopment. We are definitely seeing an increase in grant applications for the city of Palm Desert and just the cities in general. Prior to disillusion, the redevelopment agency acted as the capital projects arm and so there wasn't a need as much to go after those funds and oftentimes Palm Desert didn't qualify for different grants. A lot of those requirements have been opened up recently, in fact, and so we do qualify for a lot of them. And just to go back, Mayor, to your prior question, I'm so sorry I'm out of pocket without my security blanket. The decrease is actually not in rents. We combine interest with rents on this sheet and interest rates have decreased since last fiscal year. So that's what you're seeing there. Okay. Thank you, Daniel. If there are no other questions, we'll move on to the next slide, which comes back to me. The central theme of our budget, as Chris mentioned earlier , is balance. Balance of our current operations with future capital needs , community expectations with our available resources, and progress on major projects with protection of the city's long-term financial position. One of the most important parts of this year's budget story is the work it took to get here. Initial department requests exceeded initial available resources by approximately 13 million dollars. That gap reflected real pressures, rising operating costs, evolving service needs, major initiatives under consideration, and continued demand on the general fund. Through collaboration between departments and the budget team, staff reviewed and refined requests, re-evaluated revenue assumptions, separated reoccurring costs from one-time needs, and reviewed expenditure trends, and aligned requests with council priorities. Budgets are developed between February and March of each year and an updated revenue information that was received post-February -March. Staff was able to improve our revenue projections by receipt of those actual. And so we made adjustments of approximately six million dollars across all revenue sources. One of the largest ones that contributed to that is the district tax. One of the largest revenue sources of sales tax. That is such a new revenue resource for us to project off of it has been challenging. We are still continuing to see our sales tax consultant is now initiating audits. And so even this year is one that I don't know we can count on completely for projections. Next year will actually be a full year of receipts. So we'll have a solid number then. And what that did by making those adjustments, it brought us down to about 6.9 million dollars that was needed or 5.8 percent. To do this the budget team reviewed five-year actual trends and worked with departments to right-size their request based on realistic spending. This was not simply an accounting exercise. It was citywide prioritization effort. And departments worked thoughtfully and collaboratively to bring forward a budget that is realistic, responsible, and service focused. This slide is just to show you what we looked at as far as the trends go. So we went back five years and included 25-26 where it stood. Made some projections. And when you looked at those five-year trends, these were the percentage of budgets that were actually used on the average over those five years. And so we took those trends and applied them to the requests and reduced requests by those amounts. Once we did that, we went back and talked to staff and said , where do you have one-time expenditures that absolutely must be included to achieve council's goals? We made those adjustments and that's where we were able to balance by taking all those things into consideration. So with that, we'll move on to the general fund expenditures. As you can see, prior year was 109.4 in our expenditures and now we're at 112.5. It seems like a major jump, but when you look at the cost of everything increasing, it is right in alignment with that. Police services remains the largest single general fund operating expense with a proposed budget of approximately $30.4 million. Interfund transfers are $27.2 million, which includes our transfers pursuant to measure G, the five-year spending plan, and support for services like fire, the library, aquatic facility, and other city priorities. Not every cost increase is driven by new programming. Many of the increases reflect public safety contracts, insurance premium increases, technology, maintenance, all the normal operating costs that we have on an annual basis. When you look at the five-year comparisons, we have budget versus actual. They're typically right in alignment and when you compare 25-26 to 26-27, we're pretty close to where we were at last year. This slide here is just a reminder of measure G and the spending plan. So in our measure G documents, we said year three, we would allocate -- we were estimating 25.8 million. Our current analysis shows that we're expecting 27.5. Much like a bond issuance, we always say we have -- we include the kitchen sink. So we always have more projects than the funding that we have. So that's where you get the $40.5 million in total plan costs. And we took what we actually anticipate receiving and spread that across priority one and priority two projects and programs. And so that's where you see the spread there. I just want to note the 10.9 million that we said we would allocate to new fire services was intended for station 102 operations. It's not an actual decrease in operational costs. It's the timing of the truck coming online. And so we reduced it for that amount. There are no questions. We'll move on. I have a question. Yes. Going back to right-sizing the budget requests. Yes. Had you done that strategy before of looking at the actual used budget and then -- and comparing that to the asks and -- or is this a new strategy? So we've actually looked at trends for the last few years now that we're able to pull them from our reports. Applying them to the request we haven't done before because there hasn't been such a substantial gap. And so this year was such a big gap. It was like, where do you start? And this seemed like the most reasonable approach. And then after that, going back and saying, okay, does this still work for you? And where do we need to add stuff back? I ask because I think it's really clever. Thank you. Yeah, especially looking at something like -- I don't know what is involved in community safety, but they're using a third every year for the last five years. So warrants questions. Are you asking for something necessary? I was just curious. Good job. Thank you. Thank you. And on that same chart, so it looks like almost across the board, everybody's come in under budget, under anticipated budget. Over the past five years. Over the past five years. Yeah. But then if you go to this one, you know, and the budget expenditures are green are typically exceeded by the actual expenditures. So how does that math work out if most departments have come in well under budget every year, yet, overall? Ah. Transfers out, huh? All right. Well, it transfers out. That's driving that number to exceed. Okay. Great. That's it. Got it. I remember that we discussed having a policy of letting departments kind of roll some funding over without the pressure of hitting that max for use it or lose it. Do you have any sense in your magic crystal ball how that made impact in terms of keeping it balanced versus fluctuating? Would any of that change or what, how do you see that unfolding? So that would impact 2526 and our projections at the one, I think we said 112 total for 2520 or 111, 111 total considers that, that we are going to be carrying over some small balances. We just opened the request period up this week and so I don 't have hard numbers yet, but we are anticipating a portion of those being carried over. Any other questions? So what, what is the driving force causing transfers out to exceed on average every, over the course of the five years? So transfer, the, the major thing in the last two years is measure G. So the increase of measure G to our, um, uh, resources creates additional, uh, transfers out that have to go to the other funds. Any sort of, um, fire or something that's paid out of capital projects is immediately transferred at the beginning of the year to cover those costs. Whereas in prior years when we didn't have that, it would, um, sit in the general fund and not be allocated. So it's allocated immediately upon approval. So it's the timing of, um, expenditures versus what we say we're going to spend measure G on. I guess it's almost like a condition of having passed measure G is that once that money is available, it has to be allocated to it or whatever. It actually, it's a council call. If they don't want it to be allocated, it was, we said we were going to spend the money on this and I didn't want to leave it in the general fund if that was what we said we were going to do. So I transfer it, we transferred out immediately and it's there for those purposes that it was intended for. So basically it's honoring our commitments. Correct. Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Are we done here? Were there any other questions on measure G? So we'll jump right into the fun part and the cash flow analysis. So for 25-26, if you go to the very bottom of this page, we 're estimating about 120 million dollars in fund balance after everything's said and done. This is our best guess at this moment. We usually end up pretty close to where we're estimating. So I feel pretty confident in that. If you go into 26-27, you see our $112.6 in revenues at the top. And then about halfway down the page, you can see total general fund expenditures at the $112.5. And that leaves us the $69,000 that would be added to the general fund balance. So that's the area below there. So that's the area below there. So that's the area below there are our CIP priorities that we have said would impact the general fund. So there is no other secured revenue source to cover those. And so those have a transfer from measure G into them. The net impact is that request from general fund line that you see close second from the bottom. So for 26-27, it anticipates that we're going to need 1.8 from the general fund reserve to cover the projects that we have planned in 26-27. Because this is a cash flow view of things, they're broken up by year to the best of our ability currently. 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That is well within our reserve requirement, but it is lower than what we've seen in the most recent years. I do want to note about middle of the page where it says C IP related transfers. In those last three years, you see that there's not much listed. And on some years, there's nothing. Those are the transfers that we anticipate from Measure G. But the operational costs for public safety are such that they exceed Measure G revenue at that point. Just based on the projections. And so we do not have funds to transfer from Measure G in those latter years to projects. And I just wanted to make that note so that you could understand why those are empty. I have a question statement. So I assume our budget doesn't include future revenue sources such as the Desert Surf Resort that's hopefully going to open by July 4th. It doesn't. Yeah, it does not. And the arena as they expand and bring more opportunities for big events, potential hotel being built near the Desert Surf Resort. All of those can hopefully add to the future revenue, correct? Correct. And -- but you need a full year in order to factor that income in? Or how does that work? No, what we generally base our projections off of is a 10- year trend so that we can see that curve that usually comes with the economy and how it changes. And so what you see here are projections based on a 10-year look back at each type of revenue source. So it's not going to be a year. It will probably smooth out over, you know, the 10 years. It will have an incremental change each year. To the extent possible, I've loaded in where we think we're going to be built out so that I'm maximizing the growth now and then having it dwindle off later. But it's mostly just the known things that I can use in projections. So I wouldn't include Desert Surf or the arena or anything like that. I'll just pray for it. I see that the build-out price for Irwin Park is estimated $39 million. That was the most recent number that I had, and I believe you will have a study session on that in two weeks. Okay. Because through the, you know, watching the process at Parks and Rec, you know, I think we started maybe 20, mid-20s, 24 million, 25 million. So this is almost like worst case scenario. Yep. Would be 39. But there's some maybe room to work with that, right? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely try to load all projects in worst case scenario just so you guys have a full picture. Any other questions on this slide? Okay. This next slide is just the snapshot of our reserve as a result of the cash flow that you just saw. Again, you can see at the 10th year that we are well within the 75.7 million that's required to be reserved. And well above the 35% reserve floor that you guys established back in January. There's about a $32 million gap between what we're anticipating and that floor. So there is that movement, but that's a policy decision at that time. Any questions here? Next up, we will have Austin come and talk to you about the all funds summary. Austin Smith: Good afternoon, Mayor, Council members. The slide before you is a summary of the all funds for the proposed 26-27 fiscal year budget, showing total citywide revenues and expenses across all funds. The budget continues to prioritize major capital investments and infrastructure improvements reflected in the capital projects funds activity and plan transfers, supporting the CIP delivery citywide and is well positioned to maintain a strong financial position at your end. Moving on to the next slide. Shown here is the city's 10-year capital improvement program spending plan, which provides a long-range view of anticipated infrastructure and facility investment needs across all major project categories. The largest planned expenditures occur in the early years of the program as current carryover projects and near-term priorities move into active construction and implementation phases, followed by a more normalized annual investment level in later years. Project ed future year spending estimates were developed using historical trends in the California construction cost index over the past five years to account for anticipated inflationary impacts on construction and project delivery costs. Staff is also continuing to refine project schedules, cash flow timing and expenditure projections to better align funding availability with actual project delivery needs. This ongoing analysis will help ensure capital funding is deployed strategically while maximizing investment earnings and maintaining adequate liquidity for future projects. Next slide. Recently the city adopted a new capital planning and prioritization policy. The city adopted a new capital planning and the city adopted a new capital planning plan as projects were reviewed during development of the proposed budget. Staff evaluated them against these priority factors while also considering available funding capacity, project readiness, operational impacts, and overall cash flow timing. The particular emphasis was placed on projects that are already in active phases of design, permitting, or construction to ensure available funding is deployed efficiently and projects can advance without unnecessary delays. The prioritization process also helps align capital investments with broader city goals including infrastructure reliability, service levels, sustainability, and long-term financial stability. Are there any questions on any of those? The other questions? There are no questions. We'll move on to the staffing summary and ask Andreas Daly to present that piece. Andreas Daly: Hello, all right. Good afternoon everyone. Andreas Daly, HR director here at the city. So I wanted to briefly go over the next few slides. So as you can see for the 2026-2027 staffing summary, we are adding three additional FTEs from July of 2025. These three positions are the economic development manager and then the two street maintenance workers that are working on the weekend. These were added to assist with completion of the council goals. The economic development manager position is currently vacant and staff is re-evaluating the needs of this role to determine whether the position should remain as it's currently structured or be reallocated to better align with council priorities. Next slide. Yeah. Wanted to briefly highlight our reallocation of resources for services and organizational improvement. So the city has reallocated some existing positions and created some new positions for overall service and organizational improvements. These are, as mentioned previously, the two weekend workers, street maintenance workers to work during the weekends to strengthen our neighborhood appearances and responsiveness. To meet our city council goals, we've rest ructured our organization to have communications be in the city manager's office and our marketing and tourism be located in economic development. And then we have reallocated existing FTEs to support three new positions. The deputy city manager, the artificial intelligence officer, and the planning manager. These roles will help improve our efficiencies through process improvements. Can you real quick go over again the restructuring of the personnel that you spoke of? The creation of the three different positions or the divisions? Yeah, following that. So the division changes. So our communications is now in the city manager's office. So that's the division. And that's to improve our coordination and consistency and citywide messaging. And then our marketing and tourism is within economic development. So that way that better supports kind of the death, the destination promotion, economic development, and then our business strategies. So that was done in order to help those different areas and refocus appropriately, of course. All right, next. Yeah. And then just wanted to again emphasize our recruitment and our retention strategy. So our recruitment and retention strategy remains the same. Align hiring with city council goals and priorities in mind . Invest in internal talent to foster a growth mindset and maintain accountability and a high performance team. Maintain a competitive compensation package. And then lastly, reinforce a positive and productive work environment that fosters collaboration and shows appreciation to the city team. We have found that this strategy has been successful for the city and allows us to be a premier employer here in the Coachella Valley and recruit and retain quality employees. So that way we can make sure we're delivering the best services to our community and our partners. So with that, does council have any questions that I'm happy to answer? No. All right. Perfect. Thank you, Andrea. Okay. Before we jump into the departments, do you have any of the questions on any of the preceding items? Okay. We'll move right along. At this point, I'll begin handing things off to the department directors and service leads. The slides are designed to show high level department totals, purpose, council priority alignment, key outcomes, resource allocation, operational risks, and any budget notes. I'll note the corresponding page number from the detailed budget worksheets just so you guys can find it quickly if necessary. And as we go through these sections, the goal is to give you a clear understanding of what each department is funded to deliver, where the pressure points are, and how proposed budget supports the city's broader goals. First up, we will hand it over to Mr. Escobedo. Thank you, Veronica. So city manager's budget, the staff count remains the same. The two major cost differences here are insurance costs have increased citywide. So this is our portion of that cost. And the other notable changes with the reallocation of the positions. We have now have the deputy city manager position within the city manager's office who will be working on citywide priorities, council priorities, different projects. This allows us to have Veronica's talents used in a variety of ways while we go out to recruitment for a new finance director in anticipation of her retirement next year. Outside of that, there's no notable changes, but happy to have answer any questions. I have a question. I so don't like hearing about that retirement, but I'm going to work with it. So there was the change in the communications under the city manager, and that's good. We know we're going to get accurate information when it begins there. So does that mean that the PIO position is now brought under that? Or how does that work? Yes, so the PIO function is now within the city manager's office. And what we've done is versus it being one individual, it's a team of individuals that support the variety of communications efforts. And our methodology now is, if there's an issue or a topic involving law enforcement or parks, we are now having that parks person or that law enforcement person speak directly to the community on the issue, but in concert with our public information team. Thank you. There are no further questions. We will roll into the city clerk's section pages, uh, slide 23 through 26 and begins on your packet page 17. Good afternoon, mayor and council members. I'm Michelle Nancy, assistant city clerk. City clerk's office provides legislative administration records management, public meetings, elections, and compliance services that support the city council, city departments, and the public. The proposed budget is $1.48 million with eight staff members. The primary budget change is the addition of the AI officer position through a resource reallocation with no increase to the city's overall staffing total. And that ends mine. And for city council, the city council provides legislative leadership, policy direction, regional representation, and public governance for the city. The budget supports the council's role in setting priorities, allocating resources, and providing transparent decision making for residents, businesses, and community stakeholders. And the proposed budget is, uh, 391,000 and remains relatively flat. Uh, the legislative advocacy budget supports the city's, uh , state and federal advocacy efforts, including monitoring legislation, advancing city priorities, advancing city priorities, and pursuing funding opportunities. 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And the staffing strategy ensures the city's ability to carry out the priorities of council by retaining talent, building internal capacity, and providing professional development and accountability. Available for questions if anyone has any. All right. Seeing none, we'll move on to police and fire services from Richard Canoni. Go ahead and provide an overview of the police services budget for this coming fiscal year. The total budget proposed is approximately $30.4 million. One thing I wanted to point out, as you'll see in the bottom left-hand corner of the slide, the initial request from the Sheriff's Department was $32.4 million. Staff adjusted that proposed budget based upon historical spending trends, anticipated staffing vacancies associated with the academy and field training timelines, meaning we expect to be fully serviced in, or fully staffed, I should say, in December. So there is some cost savings there. And then as well as projected reductions in overtime cost as some of those vacant positions are being filled. Most of the time when we do budget for positions, they're always budgeted at the absolute maximum, knowing though that typically when a new deputy starts off, they are not hired at the absolute maximum. And so we adjusted the budget accordingly this year for that. And if we can go to the next slide, it'll go over some of the cost breakdowns. So this budget supports an overall total positions of 70. That includes 35 patrol deputies and 180 patrol hours per day. A couple of things I wanted to point out is this, of course , far exceeds the pre-COVID patrol levels of service and reflects a continued staffing growth. And just to give you an idea of what some of those numbers mean, in fiscal year 24-25, we had 28 patrol deputies and 144 patrol hours last year that improved to 32 patrol deputies. And then this year at 35 with the 180. The budget also continues to support proactive enforcement and specialized units beyond the patrol deputies. The motorcycle enforcement team is one of those with six deputies. Just to point out, as you may recall, last year we purchased three new motorcycles. That way it allows now for further reduced downtime when they are being serviced. In addition, from 24-25, we added two additional motor dep uties. And so again, while we're increasing the patrol deputies, we've also increased other deputies. Special enforcement team continues with four deputies. That was an increase of one deputy over the last two years. Business district team, four deputies. Burglary suppression unit, two deputies. Our SRO, our school resource officers, two deputies. Also an increase in a deputy over two years. And then of course our community service officers with 11 positions. And so with these staffing and deployment enhancements, they're producing measurable operational results. 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Just one distinction I'd like to hear about is the difference between mileage and fuel mileage cost. Is that just wear and tear on vehicles and things? It's item 19, 20. Yes. Yes, that's the maintenance. Yes. Okay, cool. Thank you. Moving on to fire services. And so the proposed budget is approximately 29.4 million with the largest component being fire and EMS cooperative service agreement with Riverside County Fire. This also includes the fire marshal services coming in at approximately 28 million dollars. So that's the blue that you see in the graph. And so going to the next slide showing projected revenues for next year are coming in at roughly 23.1 million compared to projected expenditures of approximately 29.4. And so similar to the conversation that we just had a few slides ago to maintain these current service levels, this budget includes a approximate $6 million transfer from the general fund to cover those, to cover that cost. 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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Vice Chair Alley? Here. Committee Member Butts is joining us. And Chair Kramer? Here. We have a quorum. And for the record, Committee Member Nelson is excused today. Thank you. Thank you. This non-agenda public comments. This time has been set aside for the public to address to the Public Safety Committee on issues that are not on the agenda for up to three minutes. Because the Brown Act does not allow the committee to act on items not listed on the agenda, members may briefly respond or refer the matter to staff for report and recommendation at a future meeting. Do we have anybody online? No. Great. Thank you. Item four, the consent calendar. All matters listed on the consent calendar are considered routine and may be approved by one motion. The public may comment on any items on the consent agenda within the three-minute time limit. Individual items may be removed by the Public Safety Committee for a separate discussion. Does anybody in the committee wish to pull anything? Recommendation to approve the consent calendar as presented . Second it. Second it. Motion by Wallstrom. Second by Alley. Wallstrom. Taylor. Luring. Yes. Butts. Yes. Alley. Yes. Kramer. Yes. Motion carries. Thank you. There is no consent items held over that I'm aware of. Business items, items listed in this section are presented to the committee. Review in action. Public comment is allowed on each item within the three- minute time limit per speaker. Committee may provide direction, request additional information, or take action as appropriate. Item 6A is integrating drone first responder DFR technology . Committee may provide direction, but the other one is going to be able to do the next item. The other one is going to be able to do the next item. The other one is going to be able to do the next item. The other one is going to be able to do the next item. The other one is going to be able to do the next item. 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So why it's before the committee is the past few months, the Riverside County Sheriff's Department has been reviewing whether a drone as first responder concept would improve public safety awareness and response here in Palm Desert. So the city is not looking at drones as an operation. I'm sorry. The city is looking at drones as an operation or operational tool, and they would not replace any deputies and so forth. So why RSO or what RSO is testing different drone vendors, platforms, softwares, models, and how it performs in our conditions here in the Coachella Valley, primarily in Palm Desert. So testing has been focused on real-world reliability, not just some of the demonstrations we get from vendors when they're trying to sell us a product. So what comes next is we are documenting the results through the Sheriff's Department's team. They are comparing options, and we are confirming with our legal groups as well as the FAA who oversees the airspace, the requirements, and most importantly the cost as to some of this technology . So our committee rules today is to understand the concept, ask any questions, identify any priorities or concerns, and support of our DFR program. Next slide. What is a drone as first responder? A drone is launched to selected calls to provide early situ ational awareness. It's to get the eyes on scene before or alongside ground units out in the field. What it is is it streams live videos to authorize personnel , such as dispatch, field units, and command staff, and it helps responders understand hazards, access points, suspect or patient locations, crowd size, and resource needs. It would not replace deputies, fire, or EMS, dispatch judgment, or standard response protocols. So essentially it would just be a situational awareness tool for specific calls, not a general surveillance program, and that's where transparency would be key in this program, and we will touch on that later on down the road. So a typical response -- go back. So a typical DFR response, this workflow is built around a call priority, controlled launch, live viewing, and any policy-based close out. So one, it'd be a call for service is administered, a priority call is received, and screened using the approved criteria. It would next go to a launch decision. Depending on where the drone is going to be docked or located, the launch decision is made by authorized staff to confirm the call type, location, airspace, and weather conditions. Next, the drone is sent out, and the drone arrives on scene . So the drone provides live overhead awareness before or alongside any of the field units. Field updates would be next, meaning that they are providing details or shared with responding units and command staff. And then closeout of the call would be the flight is ended and any video records are handled under an approved policy, meaning it's docked and the evidence is now placed to depending on the call what that call was used for. And then now you have the live video stream for evidence if needed. Next slide. So currently, the Riverside County Sheriff's Department has been testing out different drones, vendors, on how they work out here in the Coachella Valley. So we have a patrol launch drone. A drone is carried by a field unit and launched near an incident. It's built for flexibility, spot checks, and situations where a patrol unit is already nearby. Next is a remote pilot support option. So this is a remote pilot or real-time operations staff can support the mission, view the live feed and coordinate updates. This could be, for example, like a dispatcher based out of Maine Riverside is able to control a drone here in Palm Desert if needed. That's where a remote pilot supported support would be. Or the dock-based response, meaning that the drones are staged and charged at a fixed location for rapid launch to recurring coverage areas. It's best where sittings, FAA approvals, airspace, and network reliability support this type of drone. The reason that our local testing matters is we have some of, you know, we have our weather needs. So we have high winds, which would be testing the flight stability, safe landing, the image quality of the drone, and then the return to home reliability. We also have heat. So when summer comes, we want to see how the drones are operating with some of the battery performance, sensor reliability, equipment cooling, and dock and vehicle storage. Also, any dead zones up near the mountain areas or let's say some of the areas where we have heard that there is loss of connectivity to cell phone coverage. So some of the drones have the LTE 5G gaps, some of the video dropouts, controlling reliability, and then backup procedures. Coverage, adding on that would be major corridors, commercial areas, neighborhoods, some of the trails, washes , and open spaces. And then the service model, meaning training, maintenance, replacement of parts, and vendor response times. So RSO is just -- is testing and intended to identify which platform would perform consistently across all these conditions, which are here in Palm Desert. So that's covered -- what RSO has been testing is some of the -- how the drone is going to be acting in our wind and flight stability performance, the heat and battery life of each of the drones, launch reliability and response time. So how fast is a drone going? How is it operating? 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Do they go through cell towers or is that just one of the options? So there's different vendors and Lieutenant Ports if you have more input to provide, but some of the drones already come in with every major cell phone carrier, meaning like AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and as well as radio frequency to connect. And I don't know if I missed anything else on that. Correct. And then redundancy, the backup is radio frequency also. So there's different things that can fall back on. So if we have a cellular service that's not working out here, we can request, hey, we'll test this one. But so far from the testing we've done in some of the areas , we haven't had an issue. They've been flying. And to go back a step further, we brought this topic up about almost a year ago in our Cove Commission, which exists obviously Indian Wells, Rancho Mirage, and Palm Desert. And we are trying to work together. So it's not necessarily just within the city of Palm Desert . It covers all three cities of the Palm Desert Station's responsibilities. So there will be an overlap. So we're working behind the scenes with all the different cities and city managers. And we're now to the point that they recommended to move forward. And now we are going to you in the itchy individual city to work this out. So as they get further back, like in the hills and stuff, they're still going to have reception? Or do they think there will be like a limit? They can go back and look for hikers? No, we've tested it in the hills of Palm Desert and in Rancho Mirage. And so far, so good. We haven't had any issues. It covers all the hiking trails? Correct. And then you mentioned special events like the concert in the park. Would they launch it ahead just to watch the concert while it's on? Or would it rely upon an incident happening at a concert that they might launch it? This is also can be used more or less like this. Give me an example of the 4th of July celebration. That's one of the incidents we can use for pre-planning during operations and after. But mostly this is going to be used as a response to calls for service. Thank you. So, how many are you guys looking at for the cove communities? And where are you thinking of placing them? And what's the range of the bigger one? So, first, the range. It's varying between two to three miles, depending on the manufacturer and company that we're going to decide to use. Secondly, we're looking at a deployment anywhere from maximum deployment up to nine drones and first responders to a minimum of six. So, we're depending on how this goes. We're trying to make sure that overlap coverage. So, for an example, if we use a drone from Palm Desert that goes into the city of Rancho Mirage and or vice versa, that we have no dead zone coverages. Is Palm Desert a bigger general square mile areas than Palm Springs? Because Palm Springs has three drones. Palm Springs is fairly bigger than Palm Desert by a few miles. I don't know off the top of my head, but that is correct. Yep. I do. I have some. So, the model in Paris and San Jacinto, what model is that being used? Or the, I'm not saying the exact drone, but what model of program? Currently, they only have one drone. So, each station only has one drone. So, we're trying to expand that to that we have a coverage throughout the entire city or cities, I'm saying, versus just once. Because the one drone is very limited in what it can be done with. So, it's a part 107 operator that's with the Sheriff's Department that has it in their car or something like that? And then they set it off. No. And now I understand your question. It's based on a dock. Dock system. Okay. And what docking system that is? Well, each city is using a different vendor. Between the two vendors right now we're looking at is one is Flock and one is Axon or Skydio. Okay. So, maybe in the future if we're going to recommend this, and I think it's a great idea, is that we get another presentation of what Palm Springs is doing in their docking program. And then maybe what your docking program is in San Jacinto and Paris. And so, the data that's coming from them, that's all being stored locally? Correct. But we also have, we did a two week flight during the festivals out here in La Quinta. And some of that information that we received, and I can share with you now, is we did a total of 155 calls for service. And 78 of those, 50% of the time, the drone responded faster, or sorry, responded first. Okay. So, that was limited deployment because we weren't using the entire deployment model. And that's what we're trying to, you know, explore the entire coverage for all three cities. So, we have that quicker response time. Okay. And that was the docking model or just a? That was just patrol lifting it up and going there. Okay. So, because there's a little bit difference between the two of them from an actual pulling one out of your trunk and flying it compared to a docking station. That's correct. And what we're trying to do initially is the baseline of a drone as a first responder with docking systems. Okay. So, one of the things that goes on out here a lot is the altitude that the sheriff's helicopter flies. And when we were flying them before, that the drones can only go up to 400 feet unless there's a waiver on them. And the sheriff's department flies at about 700 feet. So, being able to coordinate between those two ends up being an important thing. The, also as a thing for the future is are they, they're sworn people flying them or are they're non-sworn? Currently, we're using sworn. But eventually, down the road as the program expands, there 's also a possibility of non-sworn. But the reason we're using sworn is the initial one, the program is new and the mindset of the deputy on the field. We want to make sure that, that information they're seeing, the pilot is seeing, is properly relayed to the deputies on the street. Okay. And I'm bringing that up because that's critical regarding some of the other agencies use non-sworn operators to get to a location. And they acquire the, and they're given directions on where to look at and what to see and different things like that. I think from a cost standpoint, the non-sworn angle in the future might help from with cities as they deploy these things because ends up being cheaper, you know, in the long run. The, so the, the, it might be good to have a presentation about Palm Springs also about their program. Also the San Jacinto and Paris programs. And, oh, and also a program for, so when Indio flew them over the festivals, were they yours or theirs or? That, that information I'm pretty sure was just their, their drones. Okay. Not ours. So maybe it would help in these things as they move forward when we talk about this to maybe see how they're doing things or they were doing things over a large amount of people because there's other waivers you have to get for that. Correct. And currently, Palm Springs Police Department is the only agency out here that currently has a drone as a first responder program. Cathedral City and is launching theirs pretty soon along with Indio is talking about it. Okay. Thank you. And I think also is, is this, if the city is looking towards us in the future or the Cove Commission is, it'd be good to reach out to Chula Vista because they're the ones that started all of this about the docking stations. And they have an extreme amount of information about how they work. I think they're running 10 of them now being docked in different places. So, thank you. That was good information. More questions. You mentioned Cove. Is this a program going to be Palm Desert or is it Cove Communities program? 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So, yes, it can. So, we have the opportunity. And as we go through this process, I don't want to let you guys just concentrate on only being law enforcement. Obviously, it's a good tool. That's my next question. So, yes. It's the guy next to you. It is. During one of our tests, we had a fire in El Pasale. And we flew over it. It has thermal capabilities. And as easy as we can just, hey, we're overseeing on a structure fire. We're going to send their dispatch a link so that they can view where they're responding to. And they can do, or and vice versa. If they get a call for service that we're not aware of and they want us to help, we just call for an assistant of their department. We send them the link and we can try to work together with it. So, thank you. We're looking as public safety. Excellent. That was my question. It was that. And I read somewhere about a month ago, and I couldn't tell you where, but it was with Cal Fire somewhere. They had a lost hiker and they had a drone take. They found him, took him some water, and then had him follow the drone back down off the hill. They didn't have to send anybody up to go get him. He wasn't hurt. He was just lost. And they actually used the drone and none of the firefighters had to go up and expose themselves and brought them back down. So, I thought that was kind of amazing. Other questions? Yeah, if you guys want, I could jump in on that. Several of our battalion chiefs here in the county are drone qualified and they actually carry drones with them inside of their battalion chief vehicles. And we've used it numerous times on wildland fires as well as medical emergencies like hikers down. It has worked very well and successful for us, but we're still kind of in the testing phase of it right now. Are any of them able to deliver like water bottles or anything like that yet? No, not at this time. They're not hoist capable or anything like that. We still rely like on the helicopter for that. But I mean, definitely as technology increases, that's something we have looked at is creating a bigger drone to do the shuttle and supply. Other questions? Can you turn your mic on? Make a motion that we move forward with moving forward with the drone program. Second the motion. Motion by Wallstrom. Second by Allie. Wallstrom. Yes. Allie. Yes. Butts. Yes. Luring. Taylor. Kramer. Yes. Motion carries. Great. Thank you. Thank you for the report. That was good. Informational reports 7A City Council Liaison, sir. All right. Thank you. So this past week, we once a month do coffee with the mayor . Coffee with the mayor. And it's fun. And we pick different venues every time. This past week, we did Station 33 over by the mall. It was a lot of fun. The guys over there were great hosts. And I had a chance to talk about public safety a little bit . And, you know, it's already May. And I think Station 102 is scheduled to come up online August? Sure. And so that's going to be here before you know it. And then shortly thereafter, of course, we're going to rem odel 33 and 71. And my question was, well, what are we going to do? And we talked about it a little bit here at this committee. What are we going to do with the crew while we're doing the middle of the remodeling? And it sounds like our city staff and city manager are exploring a few options. So some good creative options for that. But that's the idea is not to drop service. And I'm confident our staff will work with the fire to make sure the response times are still good and there's no inter ruption of service. And that's about it. And I'm looking forward to more of the drone stuff, man. That was kind of cool. I know Palm Springs is utilizing it to great effect. And here we go. Next coffee with the mayor is in June. McCallum Theater. It's going to be high tea. And it's going to be like 2:00 in the afternoon. And it's going to be at the McCallum Theater June maybe 6th , 7th, 8th, June 9th. Oh, well, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Yeah. All right. Perfect. So be there, be square. Thank you. Thank you. Question for the mayor. We were talking about flight and different things today. And I have to, the air traffic coming over Palm Desert has changed recently. And now it's kind of over the hills. And I know, do you still have a liaison to the board? Yeah, we do. To the Palm Springs Airport, really on the Airport Commission. However, it's my understanding. And I don't know if you want to get my question. So I'd say yes or no. Yes, we do. So if you want a further question, but I've got an answer maybe for it. I was just going to put across that there's discussion on the news in different places about the traffic coming over India Wells because of the new flight paths. And for the past 10 years, the aircraft have been coming right over the center of Palm Desert for a period of time since the FAA changed that recently. Or I don't know how recently it was, but I was just going to put across, is there any direction for the representative to continue on to keep the traffic off from over the city of Palm Desert? Yeah, so I haven't heard anything, you know, either formally informally from Palm Desert residents, you know, nothing in writing, no emails, no letters, no phone calls. And when I'm out and about in public, that's not something that's on their radar, pun intended. I have, however, heard quite a bit from the city council over in Indian Wells. I guess they're getting a lot of pressure. And so I haven't responded because there doesn't seem to be bothering my constituents. And according to Toper Taylor, who's kind of spearheading this, you know, mayor of Indian Wells, it's an FAA. You got to go to the FAA. You don't go to the airport commission. You go to the FAA. He's working on it. But like I said, to me, it's not an issue that our residents are upset about. It's not really on my front of mind. So. You know, something they may want to consider is the air traffic at Bermuda Dunes airport has increased immensely. And I'm wondering if that created FAA to divert the commercial farther out. Because I'm where I'm, I'm off a country club and the amount of larger aircraft into Bermuda Dunes over the last three to five years, which is daily, not just with events has increased a lot. So I'm just kind of wondering between that and takeoff because they generally go west to east. If that's because I've noticed the same thing with the flights going farther out and around and then flying in myself as many do. They're taking a wider turn if it's just to avoid Bermuda Dunes. Just throw that out there. Yeah, I think if you, if you research it, you find out that not only is traffic at Bermuda Dunes increased, but the traffic at thermal has increased too. And so there's a big bend that occurs right across between the Quinta and Indio as they come across and they end up over the top of the mountains now and said they used to come over like down country club in their landing pattern. And now they've moved it over because of those two things. And the reason I brought it up is the committee member I know can be in part of that discussion and for recommendations to the FAA on a regular basis as it's coming down from here. And so I didn't know if that was being addressed or not, but because they're getting pretty active in India. Well, it's about it and I'd hate to see it come back to where it was and over the top upon desert again instead of over the mountains. Thank you. Any other questions for the mayor? Great. Police. Sheriff. I'm gonna leave mine brief because I know I'll be talking a little bit later also. But one thing I wanted to share is last Friday we had a cannabis grant DUI checkpoint. This is something that's new to the city. Obviously, we do have Office of Traffic Safety, but working with Daniel Hurtado, we were able to obtain a grant for cannabis grant, which we also target driving under the influence. And we totally, we had 893 vehicles go through, 67 vehicles were subjected to secondary screening and three field sobri ety tests were conducted. So one thing I want to get the message out because a lot of times people decide, why are we having these DUI check points? And partly it's grant driven. It's the Office of Traffic Safety. It's the cannabis grant, California Department of Highway Patrol. It's an education portion that a lot of people go out and don't realize that the dangers of driving under the influence of cannabis, along with driving under the influence of alcohol or any other drugs. So we only resulted in one arrest, but it's the information and the contact that we're having with these people. And so it's not necessarily the city upon desert paying for it or any other cities. It's the grant that's paying for these operations. So that's one message I want to get out to for the public to understand. It's important education portion conduct these operations. But that's it for me. Unless you have any other questions. Good afternoon. I prepared a little PowerPoint presentation for everyone. We've had a number of different changes in our department with our staffing and administrative staff. So I kind of wanted to just go over a high level overview of that and kind of explain it and then break down some quarterly stats for you guys. So next slide, please. So at the top level, if you guys remember Chief Fish, he's now the fire chief. He represents Cal Fire. He oversees the entire units, basically the whole county. He was Eastern Operations prior to his promotion. And then on the right side of him, we have Jeff Pemberton. He's our chief deputy. And see, he oversees the county portion of the operation. Previously to a couple, maybe two years ago, only one person, the unit chief, oversaw all of Cal Fire and the Riverside County contract. While it's good, it's almost kind of the reason we have two now, one representing the county and one representing the state. It's kind of like when you buy a house. You want your own realtor for the seller and your own real tor for the buyer because they have different interests, right? So we made it work for a long time. But now there's that kind of separation for both entities to kind of protect their own interest, if you will. Underneath him is our deputy chief, Chief Beverly. You guys recognize who was your previous division chief there. So he pretty much moved up and Chief Fish moved up. So he oversees Eastern Operations, which is basically Hemet and Beaumont, all the way to Blyce. So quite a big area now. And then down at the bottom you have myself. So Western Desert Overseeing the Cove communities. Next slide, please. So currently our suppression staff would be on the left. We have our current two battalion chiefs assigned. Battalion 12A will be shortly hired soon. I expect them to be in place by July 2026 here. And then Battalion 12B is Michael Whitaker, if you guys have seen him around. He was kind of on relief to us on temporary loan, but now he's accepted transfer in because he likes to work in here so much. And then on the right side we have our fire marshal, Carlos Rodriguez, and then our fire safety specialist, Joseph Abey ta. Next slide, please. Just to kind of recap over our overview of our fire service , we have Station 33 in Palm Desert. It has Engine 33, Medic 33, Truck 33, which is also cost shared for the Cove communities. Station 71 North Palm Desert has Engine 71, Medic 71, Squad 71. Station 67, which is Mesa View, has Engine 67 and Medic 67. And then down below at Station 55, which is inside Indian Wells, we have Medic 255, which is paid for by the city. Our future plans and our future progress is Station 102, the North Sphere. It's planned to open the end of August of this year. And at that station will be Engine 102, we'll have Truck 102, and then also Medic 102. The staffing for Medic 102 will come from Squad 71, so there'll be no increase there. So coming end of August, Squad 71 will no longer be at 71, and that staffing will absorb into Medic 102 now. Next slide, please. Just a brief quarterly update on our responses. Our average response time is 4.6 minutes, which is great. Our goal is to be under with five minutes. We had a total of 3,248 responses. A breakdown of the engines and units are on the left. And then our specific call volumes on the right. It's worth noting 2,600 exact calls were for Medicals, which represented 80% of our total call volume. Another 160 were for Public Service Assist, which was about 5% of our calls. We had 121 traffic collision, which is just under about 4%. And about 242 false alarms, which is 7.5%. Here's a basic overview of the responses, where they were at in the city. The blue represents the medical calls, and then the red dots represent fire, traffic collisions, other things besides that. Next slide, please. So I'm sure you guys know we went to the-- assisted in the mini muster. And if we can click the little mini muster link at the center, it should show a quick overview video. Here in the city of Palm Desert, where we get the local schools to come in for a mini muster, where the students learn fire safety and fire prevention. It's great for our firefighters because it gets them involved in the community, and the community could see the firefighters who are working for them. It's great for kids that have interactive fire safety because what we found out is that when kids learn fire safety from a young age, it sticks with them through their adult years and the rest of their life. It's our pleasure to be out here today. We're glad to be out working with the kids and involved with the community. All right. Thank you. So I put a little video in there. I think it shows a lot more interaction, right? We can see pictures, but the video truly shows the whole interaction and how truly excited the kids were and how they enjoyed it. A couple significant incidents. We did have quite a few significant incidents. On January 30th, we had a room and content structure fire in a detached building. February 2nd, we had a vehicle into a residential structure which caused major damage. I believe that was the picture on the top there. February 8th, we had a patio on fire in a multi-residential facility. February 24th, we had an oven fire inside of an apartment complex. March 5th, an outbuilding was on fire, which was threatening the residents. Luckily, it didn't get into that residential structure. And then on March 7th, we had a vehicle into a palm tree which resulted in major damage and fully involved electrical vehicle fire. Next slide, please. And that would be it. I'm open for questions. Any questions? Do you have any plans for another every 15-minute presentation? We could provide-- I might be the sheriff also, but I don't know which one he would do with it. So usually, that's funded by the school district, and we will talk about doing one next year. So usually, I think, Palm Ridge High School has been a while. So we have-- they've been discussing it, and they've requested another one. So it probably won't be this year, but we're working on one next year. Thank you. Thank you. City staff. Good afternoon. Pedro Rodriguez, compliance manager. I'm going to introduce a couple of new staff members before we start with the presentation. So I'd like to introduce Mark Valdez. He's one of our newest code enforcement officers. He's been on the job a couple weeks. He is a transfer from our permit center. So he had previous code enforcement experience. So he's now joined the team. So he's doing a great job so far. And he's assigned to what we call the central part of the city, which runs from 111 all the way to the north of the freeway, Rancho Mirage State limits to Cook Street. So that's his assigned area. Then I'd also like to introduce Alexis Olivares. She is our office assistant. So she's been on the job for about a month and a half with us. And she handles all our office operations and so forth and dispatches calls and kind of just keeps the work flow going in for us. So she's great at what she does and we appreciate her work. So now I'll turn it over to Daniel Mora. He's also assigned to the team and he will give an update on the tobacco enforcement program. Good afternoon, Chair members of the Public Safety Committee Daniel Mora management need with the Development Services Department. I'm here to provide you a quick update on the tobacco grant . So as you guys remember from the last meeting as part of the city's tobacco retailer inspection enforcement grant through the California Department of Justice, Code Compliance has continued conducting tobacco retailer inspections and compliance operations throughout the city. So during the initial inspection staff inspected 53 identified tobacco retail locations throughout the city. Several businesses were found to be closed or no longer selling tobacco products while others were operating without a valid city tobacco retailer permit. So apart from having a state retailer license, a city tobacco retailer permit is also required to be selling tobacco in the city. So during those inspections, staff conducted education and outreach regarding local and state tobacco regulations. So on April 8th and 9th, the city conducted youth decoy operations in partnership with Riverside County Sheriff's Office to evaluate retailer compliance with state age restriction laws. At this time, no, I'm sorry, at the time of operation, 30 retailers possessed a valid city tobacco retailer permit and seven were operating without a total of those 37 retailers were inspected. 31 refused to sell to minors and six unfortunately did sell to minors. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office issued citations to businesses found selling to minors and code compliance conducted follow-up inspections and issued non-compliance letters were written. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. 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The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. The Riverside County Sheriff's Office. So the traffic signal reflective backplate project. So this has been ongoing for the past month now. The city is almost nearing completion of our citywide traffic safety improvement project. And from these two photos, these are known as backplates. And something that's really good about this is the city's doing every intersection within the city of Palm Desert. So these reflective borders improve traffic signal visibility, which creates stronger contrast around each signal head. And it helps drivers really see the intersection before arriving to the intersection. Next slide, please. One thing I -- so these are real photos of how it looks out there in the field. Our project managers have been out there monitoring this program. And one thing that's really interesting that I found out from this was that in the event of a major blackout, the yellow on the signal will be able to be seen with drivers at night. So it'll be a reflective, like, hue when the driver's approaching. It'll be easier to see. And hopefully this will prevent any traffic collisions. And even at night when the light's reflective, you'll be able to see the traffic a little bit more -- I'm sorry -- the traffic light before approaching. So it really does help drivers alert within the city of Palm Desert. And you'll see these pretty much in every intersection probably after this month is over, once the project is completed. And something that's interesting, if you guys leave Palm Desert, kind of take a look and see where you see these in other cities. You only rarely see them in major intersections. So I'm proud to say that Palm Desert is doing the initiative and doing every intersection in the city. And I did want to chime in Julia because she can kind of touch on the construction on how this is going and why you probably don't see them out right now. Thank you, Daniel. Julia Breyer in Public Works. Right now we're currently working in the field from 9:00 p. m. to 5:00 a.m. to ensure that we're not disrupting traffic. And this week we are looking to wrap up Fred Waring in Mont erey. And then this project won't conclude until middle of June. So just be mindful if you're traveling during those hours. Give yourself extra time on major corridors. Thank you. Before she goes, striping on the new seal code. Is there a schedule for that? There is a schedule. They are working on Portola, Cook, and Country Club. That's attributed to the walk and roll project through capital projects. And that should be concluding at the first week of June. And that also is being completed at night. Thank you, Julia. Next slide, please. As Lieutenant Porras mentioned, the city in partnership with the Sheriff's Department has been working on the Cann abis Tax Grant. So we just finished wrapping up quarter three. And this upcoming quarter, which we're currently in, is quarter four. We are finalizing and procuring the DUI enforcement trailer alongside with any of the costs related to the DUI check points. So it looks good when the city applies for these grants and we spend the money they give us. Because now for next year, we did apply for next year's grant. And we're hoping to hopefully procure a vehicle for the trailer that we can utilize some of the grant funds for. And just as an example, the DUI doesn't just mean booze. That was kind of the slogan that they used for this activity quarter. So next slide, please. And I'll actually hand it over to Pedro for a short-term rental update. Good afternoon. Pedro Rodriguez again, Cognacuant Super Manager. This is just a quick overview of the festival season short- term rental activity. So during the month of April, we had 1114 proactive inspections. Five citations were issued for operating without a valid permit. And $25,000 were issued in fines. The table on the left just kind of gives you some activity from comparison from last year. April of '25, we had 510 proactive inspections, eight cit ations, 36,000 in fines. This year it was more inspections, less citations, less fines. So our presence is working out there. We're just putting more boots on the ground, trying to catch more of the short-term rental activity. And as you can see, our numbers for inspections were higher , but our citations were lower. Either people are getting the message that we're out there. During the times that we deploy our staff, which we run three shifts, just to ensure that we have adequate coverage , so that when the festivals are over, people come back and they cause disturbances, and we still have staff on duty during the late evening hours. So, next slide, please. And then I just want to report on the code compliance, a significant case. On April 25th, we were made aware of an encampment by law enforcement partners, Sergeant Nelson and his team, that there was an encampment up about a half-mile up the B ump and Grind Trail. We did an initial inspection, wrong time of the day, noont ime. We determined it was hot. We went up about a quarter of the way up, and we determined that the steep terrain and the heat and the amount of items that had to be removed were just, it's not going to be feasible for us to operate under those conditions, and we were just not equipped to handle it. So, we regrouped, brought in a contractor the next morning, went up the hill, and we were able to remove a lot of the items that were up and stored. The occupants had been trespassed. They were served. They refused to comply. So, law enforcement addressed that issue for us and cleared the folks so that we can continue with our work. And I'm just going to show a couple of photos. If you could go to the next slide, please. This is the encampment area. It was up on the hill. It was a mother and son that were up there, and they had been living there for quite a bit of months until we were able to find it. And it was hard getting up there. There was a cliff that was about 20-foot drop steep. We had to get a ladder just to get up to that area there. So, how these folks got up there every day behooves me, but without a ladder, we couldn't do it. Next slide, please. And this is just some photos of the top left. Shows you the little small black arrow of where it was visible from. Middle top is the ladder where you had to get up. Right center is the location of the encampment. And then the other two photos on the bottom were just the last photo and then what it looked like after we restored the area back to what it originally was looking for. Next slide, please. How were you able to find it initially? I mean, someone reported or what? It was reported and then Sergeant Nelson went up with the air unit to confirm. A drone would have been great to have at that time. So, it would have saved us a hike. So, we had to actually go back up the next day to confirm that the occupants weren't there for our safety so that we can move in with our contractors. But I just want to say thank you to the team. They went up there and went along with the contractor and took care of business. So, I just wanted to let you guys know that it was one of our bigger encampment cleanups in a remote location that we usually don't encompass and go out and inspect on a regular basis. But, we're working with Sergeant Nelson and the team. We'll be keeping an eye on the hills a little bit more. And then, we'll be keeping an eye on the road. Thank you, Pedro. And just, I know the Mini Muster program was touched on. And I just want to mention that on the May 28th meeting at City Council, we will be recognizing the Historical Society and the art program that was developed through the Mini M uster program on that day. And we do plan to, moving forward, utilize a lot of the items that were procured for Mini Muster, like the inflat ables, at some of our major events, like Fourth of July and so forth. Are there any events here that we may have where there's going to be children involved at the city? That way we can highlight some of the great stuff that our first responders have. So, just wanted to bring that up. So. Just one question for Pedro. What is the city ordinance for camping overnight, like on Painter's Path? A lot of the mornings we go biking. We go past it. There's like 15 campers. They're all spending the night. Is it just 24 hours or is it not camping at all? It's not permitted at all. And we did an ordinance amendment about two council meetings ago. And it's, I think, in another week or so, it should become the new changes to the ordinance are effective. So, I did discuss this with Sergeant Nelson, and we're going to try to get out there earlier in the morning and address those folks. Obviously, Ivan Tenorio is our homeless outreach person. He's here. We will try to offer resources, get these people to move on . If not, then we will go to the next route of trespassing and removal and possibly enforcement. Okay. Thank you. Great. Next. Question. Sorry. Go ahead. Sorry. I'm glad you're here. Country clubs lights. Residing at the lakes, it's a big deal that's there. And I think you've been talking to the management there regarding it. And so, coming in and out of there on a regular basis, I tend to time them now as they work. And the 150-second rule is in place. But it seems like when you head toward from Cook Street all the way to Monterey that the lights are different. And I don't know if that's something that's been occurring or is that -- go ahead. If I can just add to that before you answer, because I'm farther down on country clubs, so I'm actually out of White Hawk. And I said something right after the first of the year, something changed. And so, I reported it, and now they're worse. So, you can sit at country club in Barrington or there are country club in Oasis if you're on a side street and wait three minutes with -- and I've done this at 10 o'clock at night with no cars coming, then lights don't change. They're like they're on a timer continuously. And so, it used to be a little less, and then after I said something, it seemed like it got longer. So, I'm not sure. And then they changed the turn pockets off of some of them. They're turning out a sink with all the rest of the street. So, I'm not sure what's happening. Am I okay to entertain this right now? Okay. If not, I have my business card and we can connect conclud ing the meeting. But, yeah, I wanted to torture you. I heard you saying this and I'm going to make it longer. So -- No, I have been working with Ron Phipps, the general manager at the lakes, and I work with the falls adjacent to them. And, yes, the signal timing, I do sympathize. It's rather painful at times making the left-hand turns. I will share that, you know, the coordinated signals are concluding at 8:15 p.m. at night. So, if there is an issue, please let me know. We can connect and I can have it evaluated and we can review it and ensure that there's not something going wrong with the loops or the video detection. Other than that, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Summer will be approaching and we will be shortening the signal timing lengths down to 1:20. Again, this isn't on every corridor, but this is a plan that was adopted by city council back in 2023. And all the cities, including Rancho Mirage, will be entertaining this consecutively. So, we're working together. I do understand that the left-hand turn signals are challenging, but you are saving time by hitting all the green lights is what I'm told. So, any other questions? So, the loops still work? They do in the vicinities that they're installed, but we are moving over to video detection on large corridors. Okay. So, the timing, they're going to move down to 120 seconds now for the summer. And then the... But when it appears, like I said, when you head west on Country Club, it seems like they're cycling faster. And is that because the video is the number of cars or something that's doing it? Or... So, during the day starting at 7:15 a.m. through 8:15 p.m., we have four phases. So, we'll be hitting on a.m., we'll be hitting on noon, evening, and then, you know, nighttime hours. So, there's four phases implemented throughout the day, Monday through Friday. And then, Saturday is shorter signal times and Sunday as well. But if you are traveling on the large quarters, you will seem like you're going faster because you're hitting all the greens. And then, once you go to hit that left-hand turn, that's when you, unfortunately, are experiencing a little bit of a wait time to clear the cycle. I hope that answers your question. No, it did. And the... Is the same thing going on in Fred Waring and 111 also? Correct. Every large corridor. So, the only one not funded by CVAG was Portola. And I'm looking to bring that online the next fiscal year through the city budget. So, I can control one. The others will be coordinated by CVAG through the CVSync program. Yeah, because Portola Quicksilver has the same thing. And people turn on the red because they get tired of waiting. Right. And I, anytime anybody shares these comments, I do pass that along to CVAG so that they're aware of this. Because we do not want to see there being collisions at intersections due to people being impatient and running the red light. And I was going to bring that because I brought it up before. And I'm just bringing the attention. I'm not really complaining personally. But for the Sheriff's Department, for the traffic division, they do a great job out there. But they may want to spend some time at some of these intersections. Because I am, I personally have witnessed several people just wait and wait and wait and then they turn on a red light. And I've been behind some of them. There's nobody coming. So, they just turn. And they turn into wherever they're going. So, if there's a way to maybe get some extra enforcement in those areas, you know, because we don't want to have something happen. They're not looking. Next thing you know, is you got a bicyclist or a pedestrian that's moving. And we've got an inpatient driver that should be waiting. And then they turn against the light. So, there's got to be a balance there somehow. Right. Feel free to share any of that and communicate it. And I can work with Sergeant DeLoss or Lieutenant Porras and communicate that. They can conduct targeted enforcements. And we do that rather frequently when we receive these reports. So, and I know at the last meeting someone had mentioned something about El Dorado and speeding through the dips. And I just wanted to share. I listened to that last meeting. Unfortunately, I was not able to attend. I do have signs getting installed beginning of next week indicating that there's a dip ahead. And it will mimic what we have at the dip prior to the Frank Sinatra approach. So, you'll be, you know, noting to reduce your speed down to 25 miles an hour. And then aside from you, but going back to Porras, targeted with the motor units, again, Portola and Quicksilver. It seems like every time you can sit there, people south bound on Portola run that red light constantly. So, maybe if they could maybe patrol there a little more, that would be helpful. Thank you very helpful. So, one other question while we're on this. The, we had dropped, we brought up, I think at the last meeting about the, the turn on the sign to turn on green. The left hand. Like ranch moron. Yeah. So, I know you're not gonna be happy with this response, but we are not looking to entertain that due to the number of collisions that occur from that. So, you know, we've done studies, we've conducted them and at this time, we're not looking to entertain that. I just, the reason I brought it up was, was, was the, the, I, I heard a rumor that it was a liability. Well, it's a liability thing because of collisions, but the city of Indio turned a bunch of theirs from left turn greens into those. And I'm not talking about into the, the, the, um, turn, turn when safe or whatever it says on it. And then ranch and Raj did the same thing in theirs. And so somebody had to look at the, the liability regarding that. Um, but I, I really, it seems like El Paseo would be a place to where people could safely make turns instead of, you know, I mean, it's. So we do offer that on El Paseo and, um, that is a challenge due to the pedestrian traffic that I have. So right now I'm doing a delayed green. So it'll give the pedestrian once they push the pet button, 10 seconds. Typically they're at the bull nose of the median and then the driver making the left hand turn would at that point get the green to make the left and hopefully avoid any pedestrian collisions. But it is, um, we've had some unfortunate incidents over the past quarter. So we're trying to avoid that. I just want to make sure we don't bear too far off agenda topics. So if we need to add it as a future item, we certainly can. Thank you. Sheriff's department staff here. Thank you. Go ahead. Uh, good afternoon committee. Daniel Hurtado, public safety coordinator. So, um, this update will be for seven, uh, C three. Um, during our last meeting, uh, the committee was asked or asked us to explore the shared sheriff department staffing calls for service response time and law enforcement technology update. Um, this, this, uh, this report is in your agenda. If you'd like to review it, if not, we will also have it up here. Monique has it up for your view, but the committee requested information regarding the city's current, um, Riverside County Sheriff's department staffing levels and whether additional law enforcement personnel are needed. Um, and I know that came across with a lot of development coming newer, um, new population coming in, renting out properties, buying properties, um, more, more primarily into the north side of, um, Palm desert. So we went ahead and did a five year review and looked at, um, times contract changes, technology investments that were provided to the public safety committee and an updated overview of current service levels. Um, so the city currently maintains 180 supported patrol hours, which exceeds the pre 2020 patrol staffing levels. Um, the current performance metrics indicate that existing staffing and deployment strategies continue to meet operational demands while maintaining effective response times. So up here, uh, Monique, she went ahead and put the chart up for your view. So during fiscal 2019, 20, um, we were looking at 52,875 calls for service and the average response time for priority one to priority four call times were 26.46 minutes . And at that time, the daily patrol hours were at 171.4 hours. And just some notes that I put on there were that's going to be the pre COVID baseline. And then in COVID, we see that, uh, moving forward for the next four years, we were reduced to 144 patrol hours. And you can see that the response times did fluctuate with the highest, um, response time being at 2022, 2023 with 32 minutes, 32.98 minutes. Um, and that was a peak response delays. So now being at 2024, 2025, the current times, um, the current calls for service will be at right around 46,000 calls for service with a response time of 22.03 minutes. And our daily patrol hours have increased, which were restored and exceeded the baseline of 171.4 hours. As you can see, that's right around a four minute difference in response times. And, um, just some of the staffing levels where we are today for 2026 is the city contracts for around 70 total positions and 180 hours, uh, patrol hours per day, which includes swarm personnel, specialized enforcement units and professional support staff. Um, it should also be noted that the RSO budget increased from approximately 20.4 million during the reduced service period in 2223 to the proposed 2627 budget of approximately 30.4 million. Um, which is almost a 49% increase showing that the cost of service did increase quite significantly. So this increase reflects, um, inflationary impacts, specialized enforcement resources and continued investments in operational technology and support services. And I did touch on, um, technology and operational efficiency, and that's going to be what you all have been included on over the past years, which is our ALPR technology, um, changing some of the technologies that we do have, like, our electronic citation system and additional software tools that reporting case building, et cetera, that RSO is always looking at and exploring to really help us in reducing, um, staff time use to really get our deputies be out in the field more than behind a desk trying to type up reports, et cetera. And I'll hand it over to Lieutenant ports. If he has some more input. Yeah, I wanted to go back to, um, regarding the patrol hours, uh, the patrol hours were increased last year during the fiscal that actually, uh, before July of 2025. But under one caveat that, um, we had a higher deputies and since then, since the initial class that I presented at council back in September of 2025, we just hit another, uh, round of new trainees. So we've had 30 new deputies start at the station. Um, that is to build up to those hours. Uh, unfortunately not everybody makes training. So we've had a, between, uh, people not making training, uh , retirements and promotions and transfers were fluctuating. So I, I, I'm hopefully next year that I suspect these times are going to decrease even more when staffing fully levels out. So that's the discrepancy regarding, you know, we have, um, you know, we want to, we want to keep going down. And I think it will when staffing levels are all these people offer training and they're leveled out, you'll see a decrease even further. Um, on top of that, he mentioned technology. Uh, obviously that's why we're talking about the drones, first responder. That's something that could be really useful with, uh, our patrol staff, but even more, uh, we're, we're just, uh, the department is moving to, uh, update their CAD system, which is a computer aided dispatch system. It's very old. It's something we've been working. It was something that we were, that I used, uh, when I first started, uh, the system is from the eighties and nin eties. So we, uh, we have a new vendor called octave and this new CAD system is being implemented to replace the legacy, legacy technology, which significantly improves the speed and efficiency of handling calls for service and dispatcher operations. The key element of improvement is location based disp atching. The system identifies the closest available deputies in real time and recommends or assigns units accordingly. Uh, this, this is going to reduce travel time, shortens response time, ensures more efficient deployment of resources. So that's something we just started. We have a new subcommittee within our department that we're going to work with the vendor to optimize our, our CAD system to modernize it. Um, another thing that we're working on is, um, we have a new system that was just purchased. It's called Peregrine. Um, somebody telling me, just look at the fastest bird that are fastest hawk. And that's what you can look up, but that's what the system 's called. And I'm, I'm probably saying that wrong, but it's Peregrine , which is basically currently we use a whole bunch of different, uh, databases and it's very cumbersome for our deputies and our panelists to go to each data system to, uh , get new information from this system to that system. So what this done is basically it's AI. We're working with the vendor to ingest all of our data systems so that when we have a question, it queries all of our information, which is going to work even better with our new CAD system. So that's something that we're working on right now. And I was just told today, uh, the board of supervisors, uh , approved a new contract with, uh, Axon technologies. And this is something that I'm going to bring to you at a later date once we finalize everything, but two of the greatest things that are looking forward to with this new system is obviously it's going to be AI assisted report writing. We've done some studies compared to vendors, and now this is going to allow us our deputies to basically, uh, use systems from our axon body cams to be able to write or the reports. Obviously they're going to have to, uh, verify the information. It's not going to be just push a button and they're done. They do have to do some work, but at a later date, I will give you a better presentation about that, which is something exciting, which is going to help reduce the, you know, the time that spent time behind the desk writing reports. And another thing that, that includes with that also is real time language translation. And of course we, that's something that obviously we have to wait sometimes when we have a deputy that doesn't speak a certain language has to wait for somebody to come in. Now it's going to be able to, based on their body cam to be able to assist. The body cam is going to be able to pick up the language that's being spoken and automatically train and start translating. So that's some new technologies and that's something I was just told about today. So we'll bring that a presentation down later time. Um, but with that also working on video analytics, uh, so that way we can reduce our times, uh, analyzing video. And instead of having to sit there and watch, you know, two or three hours of video, our detectives and our deputies can let, uh, uh, a video system, you know, query something, let the video watch it. And then reduce, definitely reduce the time of spent doing the homework on the cases. But, um, that's pretty much it when it comes to new technology. But if you have any questions, I'm open to them. Um, were the deputies switching to a phone information system instead of the MDCs or is that, does that sound familiar? No, well, that's going to work out with the octave system. Eventually that there's been talks about that. But right now we're still going to have the MDC, but that's going to be incorporated into the way that's going to look differently is when we actually fully implement our new octave CAD system. That'll be it from us. Yep. Great. Thank you very much. Any questions? Any questions? Uh, the last time we have is, um, no, no, I know that. I'm just, request for action. Uh, committee members may propose future agenda items within the committee scope items that receive support from at least one other member may be placed on future agenda for discussion and possible action. We have anybody like to bring anything up with that meetings adjourned. Are we sorry? Yeah. Are we going dark for the summer or recording stopped ? July 14th. July 14th. July 14th will be the last year and they'll go back. Yes. For how long? Just every other month still or? It won't bother you, Terry, because it'll be reflective yellow and you won't be on it. No, that's true. You don't like that. Hey, this is the best meeting we've had in the year. What's that? This is the best meeting we have had in the year. It's the best meeting we have had in the year.

Thank you. Recording in progress. Good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to call the Architecture Review Commission meeting of May 12, 2026 to order at 12.33 p.m. May we have the roll call, please? Commissioner Gregory? Here. Commissioner Sanchez? Here. Commissioner Vucic? Here. Vice Chair Blankley? Here. And Chair McIntosh? Here. We have a quorum, and for the record, Commissioner Latkovic is excused today. Okay. Thank you. So, first issue is non-agenda public comment. This time has been set aside for the public to address the Architectural Review Commission on issues that are not on the agenda for up to three minutes. Because the Brown Act does not allow the Commission to act on items not listed on the agenda, members may briefly respond or refer to the matter to staff for a report and recommendation at a future meeting. With the recording, Secretary, please give instructions for attendees participating virtually. For those joining us by Zoom, if you'd like to provide non- agenda public comment, please use the raise hand function at the bottom of your screen. If you're joining us by phone, you can press star 9 to be added to the queue, and then star 6 to unmute yourself when called upon. Is there anyone who wishes to speak on an item that is not on the agenda? I see none. Anybody in the room? Is anybody on line? No. Please raise your hand. Then moving on to the consent calendar. All matters listed on the consent calendar are considered routine and may be approved by one motion. The public may comment on any items on the consent agenda within the three-minute time limit. Individual items may be removed by the Architecture Review Commission for a separate discussion. Is there anyone wanting to comment on consent items? And how about the approval of the minutes from April 28, 20 26? Motion to approve. Second. I have a motion by Gregory, second by Blakely. Commissioner Gregory? Aye. Commissioner Blakely? Aye. Commissioner Sanchez? Aye. Commissioner Vucic? Aye. And Chair McIntosh? Aye. Motion carries, 5-0. Okay. Moving on to agenda business items. First item is 5A. Consideration to approve a design review for the construction of a one-story industrial warehouse building with a total area of 9,756 square feet on a 25,264 square foot lot located at 345 01 Spider Circle. May we have a staff report on this item, please? Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm happy to be back to bring you this project. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I need to get down into this tool. I need to get down into this tool. Okay. Sorry about the delay. It's a little technical issue. This is the Spider Circle Shell building. You saw this before. You saw this before. The applicant took it back to revise the plans. They modeled the revision after the building on Dinosaur and Spider Circle. So we'll go through the revisions that they made. So the request is to have a one-story warehouse building that's about 9,756 square feet on a 25,000 square foot lot located at 34501 Spider Circle, which is an industrial area . So the project is located south of Dinosaur, north of Dinos aur, north of Dinosaur, and the architecture review committee asked that they make modifications. So the project is located south of Dinosaur, north of Dinos aur, north of Dinosaur, and the project includes 18 parking stalls, six interior spaces that are inside the building, one van accessible handicapped space, one electric capable space, and two electric vehicle capable spaces. So the project includes a trash enclosure, on-site landsca ping, and a perimeter block wall. Here's where we're located. So this area is filling in. And, but this is just the beginning. So here's your site plan. It shows the building location and orientation, which has, the west is really at the top of the building. So based on these drawings. So, um, yeah, look at the west is being at the top and the east at being in the model. Um, it's been conditioned by the city's land development division to ensure proper vehicular circulation. Um, it's reviewed against the traffic impacts to Spider Circle, Dinosaur Drive, and Dick Kelly Drive. So, um, we're going to be, uh, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, uh, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. So, um, we're going to be at the top of the building. Um, they can pull in and then leave through the shared access. If they need to get to the back of the building, they can pull into the back and then, um, back up and onto Spider Circle. And if they don't want to back up, they should be able to pull their hoses from Spider Circle. Here's the, um, the revised elevations. So the architectural defining elevations, um, will be the east elevation faces Spider Circle and the north elevation, which faces the parking and has the main entrance. All the elevations will have a mix of materials, which will be the black copper and the pebble beach. Um, the elevations will contain the following features. Staggered entryway, standing seam metal roof with black copper. Um, the address sign for the building. The upper and lower wall panels will be the pebble beach color. Um, the three foot green copper band. The other one is the middle section on the mid section of the building, which provides some articulation. And they also have a 34 foot tower element in the pebble beach color. They have glass doors and windows and they have separate entry into each unit. The west elevation will be the loading area with the same design and it'll be the loading area with the same design and contain the following. It'll have hanging on them, hanging awning with an aluminum sunshade that has a 20 foot width and an eight foot projection. It'll be over the roll top garage doors. They'll have sandstone roll up garage doors and they'll still have the three foot wide green copper facade and bronze metal person doors to enter the building. And here's summary of the materials. Um, the seven foot block wall, which will be on the south and east sides of the building. It'll be visible from the north and west sides. And the slide also shows the details of the doors, the hanging awning and the metal panels. On the landscaping, um, it's changed just a little bit. Um, there'll be 4,094 square foot of landscaping, 16% of the site. The east, north and west elevation will contain a mix of desert museum Palo Verde, um, with a 48 inch box. And, um, I also had them include, um, details about guide wires for staking so that the, the tree is properly staked. The other plan, the other tree, the other plants will be the Mexican bird of paradise, century plants, desert spoon, and the silver case. Um, they'll use a variety of rocks and boulders and copper canyon crushed rock, which shouldn't fade, um, in the sun that we have here in the desert. Um, staff requested that they place an additional desert museum Palo Verde to frame the driveway, um, um, the elevation right here and here and put a tree here and here on each side so that, um, it defines the entryway. Um, the lighting on the site will have lighting and building lighting and freestanding lighting that have a range up to 14 and a half feet, candle feet. The strip lighting at the entrances will be recessed into the walls. So you're not going to be able to see it. So that's why it's just strip lighting. It's not going to be visible. The freestanding lights, um, as shown on your, um, plans will have a 16 foot height and they'll have a curvilinear fixture with a decorative base. Um, and we provided the details of the freestanding feature to make sure that, um, it's a decorative base, proper height. And, um, and that it just looks good. Um, subject property is in the service industrial district. Um, and that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. And that's why it's not going to be able to do that. So it's not going to be able to do that. So thank you for giving me the time for the presentation. Well, thank you for that presentation. Very comprehensive. Well, I try. I have one question for you. Unfortunately, I wasn't here for the November meeting. Could you tell me what the conditions were from that meeting? What were the-- Well, it was-- I think that the commission asked for a remodel because it was a metal building. It had different surfaces, but it was a metal building. It was nicely designed, but I don't think that the commission felt that it matched the area and that it fit in. And they asked for something that would be more consistent with the surrounding buildings. So they sent it back without a continuance just to table it . And we've been working on getting a good set of plans since then. OK, great. And you've been working with the applicant? I've been working with the applicant on the plans. And I believe that they also got some input. They also got some unofficial input from Commissioner Buc zek. I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And I believe it was this building right here. And maybe while we're waiting, are we going to see this on Google Maps or something? That's it. Okay. All right. Maybe while we're waiting, I want just to clarify. Okay. So, as I recall, what my input was is I was asked for some examples of what I consider to be some of the better buildings in this area. And I think I might have provided like five examples from Google Earth of buildings that I thought were better buildings. That was the extent of my involvement. So, the comments were kind of general in nature, nothing specific. Well, there were no comments. It was here are five examples of better buildings on Spider Circle and Dinosaur. This is -- Oh, that was your sort of -- it wasn't during the meeting. It's just between -- Right. It was after the meeting. Okay. I have a question, even though it's not here yet. The architect can answer more of those questions when you open the public hearing. So, I have a question. I know it's not here yet, the sign program. Is it going to be one sign or is there a sign over every door? Okay. There will be one sign, I believe, with the neighbor -- the name of the building and the address. But I don't believe there will be individual signs. But they -- the sign code would allow them to have individual signs. But they have to -- they have to get a sign program approved. That's right. So, we haven't -- we haven't gone that far yet. And the -- I believe the architect can provide you with what they were going for. Okay. But right now, I'd like to see the building you were referring to. I think it's this building right here. That's on the corner of Spider Circle and Dinah Shore. Sorry. The building on the left? Yes. Okay. Well, it's not on the corner. But that would definitely not have been one of the five buildings that I showed as an example. Okay. I might have the wrong building then. Let's have the architect answer that question. Okay. Okay. Before we go to the public here, is there any other comments or questions for staff? This kind of went through like a brand change given the change in materials. It used to be called like Miners something. Does that ring a bell? It was -- it was called the Mining Supply Building. They're still using that theme, but it's not the metal building anymore. But that's the name of the building. They could change that, but that's what it's called now uno fficially. Okay. Thank you. I think it's the same thing that's important for us to get there. I think it's the same thing that we're seeing here. I think we're seeing that. I think it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing. It's the same thing. I think it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing, and I think it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing. 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I think it's the same thing, but it's the same thing. more like a it's like a um mining theme it's a poor breakdown but yeah so my hunch is that by removing some of those elements or kind of pulling back from them that they didn't want to be i don't know it's not it's not as central the the name of that as it was before interesting sounds like i missed a very interesting meeting okay um no more questions for staff i'd like to open the public uh hearing and uh have the applicant come forward and fill in any details that staff might have missed and answer some questions i see an iphone 3 with our hand raised is that the applicant steven hello can you hear us yes got me okay great can you please uh stay your name and sure um i'm the building designer my name is chris chris sanders and uh i've been working on this project since day one and uh uh i'm the owner looking forward to getting us moving forward uh i'm just listening to a few of the comments the easy one is the signage um i don't want to clutter the elevation with a large sign or if we do anything um it would be a monument out in the landscape in the front and each individual we don't know who's going to be going in the building at this time there may be one we are talking to tenants that may take the whole building so um but in any case uh ccnr or something you know we would we would say that the the business signage would be on the glass for the uh we wouldn't have a separate signage on the building i think we want to we want to keep the building looking good and kind of control that um the change from the name of mining claim place was driven by the fact that we we were we had an industrial looking building before with galvalume panels uh industrial looking um type of product and we're not that anymore so we we dropped that and uh uh with some nicer you know some actually pretty nice panels pretty nice finishes copper uh copper variants um but that was that was why we dropped the uh the mining claim place we're not that anymore okay good well that's that so that did that redef ine your building design well actually the arc redefined my building design from what we we from the comments last time we were were uh uh uh driven to to do something else so we took another look at it the the site remained the same or kind of locked in as to site design uh and building footprints so we just took a look at the elevation to come up with something still a little bit different yet yet uh use uh some of the desert colors um uh i'm a frank lloyd wright fan so i the colors kind of pull from that palette um so that's you know just a just a change in elevation to kind of make it fit in um as was suggested before okay great uh do you have any further sort of comment uh presentation beyond what uh the staff member presented on your building redesign no we're we're anxious to we're anxious to uh to actually build the thing okay good um well i'd like to start i have a couple questions for you that i'm a little confused and i apologize that i missed your initial meeting back in november but it seems like we've got a pretty drastically different design anyway so um let's just start with that i'm a little confused i'm i'm looking at your roof plan on a2 and and on the following page on a3 provided us some building sections none of your plans the roof plan i don't see a section symbol so i'm a little confused on your orientation of your building sections but comparing the two i'm i'm i'm trying to figure it out so looking at the roof plan there's a parapet that goes around the whole building yes yeah yeah so you see no mechanical you see no solar it's still a standing seam roof because that's the better type of rope to clip solar panels too but no you won't see an access ladder you won't see air conditioning equipment if they go up if anything goes up on the roof all that stuff is hidden now and that was kind of a suggestion at the other meeting as well because the other the the previous plan had a large shed roof of large overhangs okay so it looks like the majority of the parapet is 32 foot above finished floor is that correct yes all right and then there's two architectural features at either end of the building at 34. yes where does that where does that show up on the roof plan on a2 uh it does not actually but it would be on the on the north end and the south end okay how is that just an oversight that's just an oversight but it was it the the uh uh rich called them towers not really towers just architectural element or or uh i think they're four foot wide if you look at the other elevation and uh uh looking back at the other elevations but they're just they'll stick out beyond the building line two feet and back um over the building two feet also i think that's what i did yeah okay so to give it a little substance all right so that helps a little bit so you're showing a bunch of solar panels on the roof is that correct that's correct and according to your building section i can't tell what the actual elevation of your sloped roof is well it would vary from you know if you're looking at you know one direction the other direction it does slow down in the short direction but depends on where you cut the section across it you know the section could be cut at the high end or the low end but there is a parapet all the way around so everything is hidden well how high is that parap et i mean how what's the height of the roof i know you got sloped and it steps and so we're going to have a variation but where are we at i mean just from the looks of your section it's kind of confusing i don't know how you're going to screen any equipment at all i think the roof height of the back side i didn't show it on the elevation either it's 18 foot low side so it all stays 18 foot low side so it's you're we 're you know even on the high side we're still three or four feet it's a one in 12 pitch so we're we're we have a we're in a well so you have a 12 foot parapet 18 foot well let me see i almost have to look back at the old elevations but uh what we're trying to do is create a situation where in the front we can actually have a two-story section in the front and a uh uh the shop area or an area to park a car in the back that's we don't need that much height in it but uh i don't see that i put it on here i don't remember it's 18 or 20 foot on the low side but the idea was to create a well and hide any mechanical equipment any solar equipment you could never see it well we can't take your word for it i mean it 's really important that we actually see you know drawings and accurate profiles that that describe all this um so i'm a little concerned that uh that these drawings submittals are a little bit incomplete at this point um to kind of further get this in my head are you showing a rain gutter all the way along the back of the building no there's it's there's no uh there's parap et walls all around there's a valley gutter on the low side that's hidden behind the parapet okay but it's a it's a long gutter is that what i'm seeing yeah but you don't see it on the outside of the building okay so we're i don't i'm also looking at the roof plan i don't see a roof hatch anywhere no because we we're we don't know what the tenant arrangement on the inside is going to be yet so we haven't shown that yet if it's one tenant it may be in one location if it's multiple tenants we might have multiple locations depending on what they mean as far as to need roof equipment or we don't know yet okay well typically that comes out of a common call it a mechanic mechanical or service room that's common to everyone in the building right i mean that typically doesn't happen in somebody's individual suite not necessarily so we're just we're we're talking to multiple tenants at this point and uh you know some are are talking about taking the whole building which would arrange things a certain way and some are uh just want a smaller you know we're talking to some small service uh providers that just want uh you know one section of it or maybe two sections of it so um you know those those things can be determined at this point i mean i can throw something on there and change it later but you know that might not make you guys happy but it's you know well from experience we've found that once all these things are solved it changes the architecture of the building and we're trying to minimize the amount of times that you have to come back so we've already been back once so looking out and well and the parapet wall would would eliminate you know any view of any equipment on the roof or roof hatch or any of that kind of stuff so that and that's that was the suggestion i believe from mr vucic before that that we do do that that's what we did so if you look at the elevations they're high and they're continuous all the way around the valley gutter is hidden behind the parapet there's no gutters now that was a question before because he had a large overhang in the back over the roll up doors continuous across and the gutters and downspout downspouts would have to been sloped back to the roof so we eliminated all that so we are complying with the direction given at the last uh arc meeting okay but my line of questioning is leading up to a bigger question because i'm trying to just understand your building okay because your drawings aren't complete so my big question is and i maybe i should have just come out with this right up front is your building looks incredibly top heavy architecturally aesthetically it 's very top heavy now you made a comment that you want to make a section of this two-story yes okay that that affects things as well and we should probably see that at this level of review as well well you would never you would never see this the the second floor would be in a tenant space on the inside of the building yet i don't show any windows on the outside we don't plan on any so they would never see a second story in it it could be just storage space up above or mezzanine that's accessible to a shop in the back but we wanted to provide a tenant with some options to to go vertical if they wanted to so we're not we're not going to be we're not going to be changing the elevation at all the elevations of that building are designed to and you know again comply with the previous arc uh direction okay but it gives me a better understanding of why your building appears to be so top heavy proportion ally it just feels a bit odd and that you know i wanted to say that from the get-go but i kind of want to understand better what your building was all about so um that's all the questions i have anybody else have questions for the applicant well i guess i'm still curious um if this was inspired by another building in the area i'd like to see that building i i i got to comment on that i wasn't really inspired by any building in the area but it is a i did look at mr book six suggestions and some other buildings in the area and the color palette and and there are other buildings with similar facades and and uh but i don't want to be like any other building no architect wants to design something that looks like you know like the next door neighbor or even the you know this building looks you know not to come not to you know i could comment on the building across the street from this one this building is far more has far more exterior wise going on than one across the street so you know i'm not understanding the the comments here you know i got to push back a little bit with that and and you know i think we've done a nice job here we have nice finishes and uh you know there's been no uh there's been no uh uh sk imping on anything here is that it john yeah i think the remainder of my comments are more for the um commissioner discussion time okay thank you any other commissioner would like to uh ask any questions of the applicant i just have one um what is your expectation for uh conditioning the spaces or the space uh as far as mayor conditioning we could put we could go with uh uh many splits in the units depending on what to what the the tent wants or we could go with rooftop also that's why we we designed this with a pair put so we can have some options because we don't we don't know who's going to be inside this yet okay thank you commissioner san chez no questions no questions and commissioner blakeley no questions okay um well if there's no other further comments that the applicant would like to make then i would uh check to see if there's any one from the public who's out there they would like to comment and it looks like there's none so we will close the public hearing at this time and um and um hear any comments from commissioners i'll uh i'll make a few um when um when i was thinking about this area and i'm extremely familiar with with this area and the the buildings along dynas shore and spider circle and gateway and and and and i was around for their approvals um um and there are some good ones and there are some bad ones um i'd say there are more good ones than bad ones and and when we're looking at something for this area i think we need to uh we need to use the good ones as a standard um i uh i'm concerned about about this particular design um i i think that the the building is um well it's top heavy like like um commissioner uh mackintosh was saying but but i think it also lacks architectural interest it has it has a a nice looking materials board um but i think a building needs to be able to stand on its own and not rely on materials to to make it acceptable um so i i'm i think that um i i can't even you know i'd be i'd be concerned about trying to make comments about how to make it better because i can sense the applicants going to pull out a pen and write down a list and come back and say well here i i'm checking off the list um but it's not that simple um there needs to be a a learned design eye making these decisions about how this building is going to be articulated it's not a list and i i think i don't think we're at that point where we can do that that's my comment okay thank you commissioner vucig um commissioner sanchez do you have any comments uh yes i do i have concerns on the limited planting palette that's being used here seems uh one tree is being used which is the desert museum which tends to be low branching and it's getting used in different applications throughout planting areas especially around walkways which can impede such traffic inward as well as around two driveways that are coming in i would like to see um the plant palette get extended with additional trees that are that have a higher canopy as well as the limited amount of shrubs and accents um there doesn't there doesn't seem to be any hierarchy with these they all have similar spreads and heights to them um i would like to see some uh desert uh appropriate ground covers included in this plant palette and then i do see uh quite a fit uh desert accents being placed too close to walkways and entryways um so that should be adjusted um when it comes to my concern on hierarchy i i especially see it on entryways going into the building the walkways coming in you would be blocking most of not uh all your line of sight coming in to these um doorways and or windows looking outward with a similar uh plant material that has similar spreads and heights so uh additional ground cover would be um very beneficial throughout the the landscape areas and that pretty much sums up my actually uh more of a question for staff um i see maybe two trees allocated or shade towards uh the parking lot is there any additional shade requirements that would need to be met for this sort of development here they satisfied the shade requirement but um they they we could require more trees be put in in the parking spaces that have a higher canopy yes that would be great and something more uh uh uh with a higher canopy instead of a desert museum around the uh parking stalls um and yeah that sums up my comments for this Commissioner Gregory. As the applicant was explaining the changed roof line and talking with the parapet, it started coming back to me like a wave. The original design had quite an extensive overhang. It was a massive shed roof, and I remember the question about the roof access hatch you had asked. I'm seemingly kind of hinging off your comment, Chair McIntosh, that seems like the drawings are incomplete. I guess my question for the commissioners is, given the process of submitting, call it a planning level set for ARC review, how fully baked are we expecting these drawings to be at this point? I think they need to be developed enough that we're comfortable that as they are converted into construction documents, they aren't going to have to change so much that it's going to change the aesthetic that we approved. So thank you for that. And on that note, I understand the significance of having these sections be a little more informative versus kind of a vague section cut that doesn't indicate roof slope or roof height relative to the parapet. And I guess the questions that I have, which might be beyond our role, is if there were a mezzanine introduced here, because right now as submitted, it's submitted as a one-story building, not identified with mezzanine. So how would that lay out in the greater floor plan here? Where would there be a staircase? Where is there a restroom? You know, if we are dealing with package units on the rooftop, where are those set? Do we have enough parapet height to conceal the top of those units? If they're not package units and they're actually split systems, where on the site plan would there be the location of condenser units? And do we have enough run to get from those condensers with their line sets up to the fan coils, wherever they might be? There's some other questions. There's the ones that came to the top. I'm just curious. That's all. And then, you know, there's that other comment that Chair McIntosh made about typically for a building like this, if there's one mechanical or electrical room that feeds the whole building, that might be where you would find a roof access ladder and hatch. You know, we don't know yet if there are going to be five tenants or one. Regardless, where would those rooms be? Again, I don't know if this has any bearing on the Commissioner's review of this project, but I am genuinely curious. I think that that's a good comment. I'm not accustomed. I don't know that I've ever heard the response to the roof access where, you know, when we have tenants, we'll figure out where to put them. Normally, it's a part of the shell building design. And often, whatever space or room houses that roof access ladder is part of the architecture. So it just kind of goes away. In this case, sounds like it's very much up in the air. Thank you for that. Commissioner Blakely, any comments? Yeah, I've been at this before, and I'm always concerned that the plans are not complete, and they say, oh, we'll fix that in the review. I think it should be done when it comes to this commission so that we can see where the access to the roof is, where we can see where the mechanical room may be, where we can see this, where we can see this, because we're leaving it to the applicant that they're going to take those drawings and make them right and send them on. And I think it should be coming from this commission. We should see a complete set of plans for us to review that and make that decision and not just hope that they're going to do what they're going to do on the plans. Just to clarify, when you say a complete set of plans, you mean a complete set of schematic design drawings? Yes. Yeah. Where the roof access is on the drawings, as chair said, we don't see those panels on the side of the building on the floor plan? And why not? That's the first question. He said he didn't do it. We forgot about it. But again, that makes it an incomplete set of plans as far as I'm concerned. Actually, I might tack on to that. I, you know, understanding that our purpose here is to look at the building, understand massing and materiality, articulation. It's also an opportunity for seven of us, or in this case, five, to examine the design. And if we see anything concerning to alert the applicant, if they had missed something, so that they're kind of better primed for success when they do submit for the permit. It's like a good opportunity. I know work is not part of what we do, but I will make a comment. The building has some zigzag to it, and it looks like, if you see it from the front or from the side, it looks massive because of all one complete material that they're using on the zigzag. So I would behoove it to the architect to figure out how to create more shadows or something or other in this material to enhance this building other than making it solid and heavy. Thank you. I'm going to start on a positive note. Politely, I'm trying to summarize your comments. Can you, you talked, did you want to reduce the mass? No, we're not here, we're not here to design the building for him. But since he has a zigzag, he has something to work with. And it seems like he didn't enhance the zigzag part of his design, and he just made it one big, huge, heavy block. Yeah, I think we can summarize that. Record the details. Yeah, we'll summarize that in the motion, I think. Yeah. But on a positive note, I think you did a great job on your selection of colors and materials. I think there's a nice variation there. I think it really reflects kind of the desert palette that we're always looking for when we're reviewing the buildings. So I think you checked a lot of boxes there. What I am worried about is the inconsistency in your subm ittal from one drawing to the next. The elevations don't match the plan. The roof plan doesn't match the elevations. There's just not enough information here. And I think you'll find, and I'm sure you will as a professional architect, that once you put a mezzanine in a building, there's some other challenges that are going to go along with that through the approval process. And normally when we see and review a building at this stage, we're shown that there's a mezzanine in it and sort of justifies the height of a building and the mass. I think in your next submittal, I'd really like to see some more detailed and accurate building sections that include the elements that are shown in the other drawings. I'm a bit surprised to hear your comment that you've got a 14-foot high parapet and how that's really going to work in your building, considering you want to put a mezzanine in part of it. So, you know, I'm going to be really interested to see how that all works out. So, just given the fact that some things are not worked out , I think your building mass is off a little bit, given the context of the area that you're proposing to build it and the incompleteness of the drawings, that I would like to propose that we continue this project and let the applicant come back with a more refined approach. design. I got, um, I tried to summarize everybody's comments. And so, for your motion, in order to help you with it, that you can let me know if I missed anything, um, that these are the main issues you want addressed. Ensure that the equipment is hidden. Provide consistency in the plans. Location of the fire hatch and location of the roof access. Provide more detailed and accurate sections. How will the mezzanine fit in. And provide higher canopy trees. And more variety. I think that sounds pretty good. I've got a question for you. You said that the parking shading requirements were met. Can you show me how that is, Matt? Um, I don't, I don't have a direct answer to that. I went through all the requirements, um, the zoning requirements when I reviewed the plans. Um, you know, so I'm up on all the setbacks and everything. But, um, I don't, I don't recall that one. But what we can do for the next submittal, since we have a little bit of flexibility, is, um, detail of shading requirements. Yeah, I'm not an expert on that. But it appears for the drawings that that's not bad. Yeah, well, um, make sure that that's provided. And I, I'm sure that I, I can call Commissioner Sanchez. You're, well, I, okay, I just, I wasn't sure. Um, you know, I could call Commissioner Sanchez if, um, I have any questions on how to make the shading requirements any more clear. I'm, I'm sure you'd be happy to help me on that. Good. All right. So we have a motion and it's been clarified by staff. So we're clear. Do we have a second? I'll second. John, would you like to comment? Is this a comment period now? I, I think it's still open for comment. Absolutely. Okay. Anything to help this project along is, uh, welcome. Um, what, what gives me some concern is that what I heard now is a list. And, um, I, I think this, this project, um, I think what, what this project is lacking is much deeper than that list that I heard read off. Um, I think, I think the, the architecture needs to be revisited in terms of, um, um, um, massing layering of architecture, um, compositions. Um, that general level of design needs to be improved on, on this project. Um, so I, I think, I think what's going to happen, um, if we can get to that point is there's going to be another level where we're going to want to see things like our colors and materials properly wrapped. Um, how deep are things right now? We can't really tell. And, and, um, that might happen at the next review. Um, just because we're not at that point yet. Um, we're at the point where the, the concept of the building, I think needs improvement. Um, I agree with you a hundred percent. Um, so should we modify the statement to be more general in nature as far as, um, I mean, specifically, I think I love some of the specifics in the, in the comments about accurate drawings. I think specifically we need to see accurate drawings before it even comes to us. That should be checked at the staff level to make sure that all the boxes are checked. As a suggestion, I, I'm not sure how to phrase this, but commissioner Vujicic said at the very beginning that when I gave you the list, the, the intent wasn't that the list be everything that you need to do. And you said that I don't want to give a list of things because then we'll just be limited to that list and get those things. So I think in addition to the corrections that the commission identified, um, that, and again, we have to be careful not to limit what the improvements are, but that the character of the building be better defined and to look at things such as the massing and the architectural details to provide a better building character. Um, and those aren't things that you could specifically state, but that need to be done. So, um, what we could say is, um, provide more architectural details to improve the building character. And then that's generic enough that it doesn't just provide like one statement for something to do, but that you need to improve the character of the building. Yeah. Yeah. But I even think the word details is dangerous because it's not details. It's, it's bigger than that. Yeah. Yeah. This is where we always struggle a little bit because clearly we have an applicant that thinks he has a very beautiful building. He stated so in his statement and that's great. And that's where we're in a subjective area here. Yeah. You can't get objective with specific and itemized list. Yeah. It needs to be a subjective discussion about overall design , massing, and composition of geometry is the words I always try to convey to an applicant to, to consider when they're coming back and revisiting their building and I think when you consulted with them between the last meeting, I think you, you gave examples of buildings that sort of had those characteristics, not necessary to copy them as the applicant was trying to express there, but to have an understanding of good architectural design and composition in general. Right. The, the, the, the, the, the quality of the architecture that we're looking for. Right. Which is defined by massing, composition, balance. I mean, all these things that are, you know, they sound a little esoteric, but those are the things that go into good architecture. Right. Right. And, um, to replace what I said about details, um, so that you're providing more direction on what you want. I just kind of wrote down what the both of you said in, you can tell me if I'm wrong, provide more architectural amenities to improve character of the building, including massing, shadows, and composition. Scratch amenities. It's not about amenities. It's not about applying detail or adding things to it. It's a matter of stepping back and looking at this building . I mean, I, I, you know, I, I always want to be very thoughtful and sensitive to an applicant and not sound rude. And, but the best description I could have of this building is it's very top heavy. And, um, that might sound a little harsh, but I'm trying to keep it as general as, as possible. I mean, he's the applicant has said it's not a two story building, so we're not going to have windows up there and all that. But when you get a building of this proportion, what usually helps it is the fact that there's some windows up there because usually two stories is what drives a building to be this tall. You know, 14 foot high parapets are just very unusual and there's no need for them. And so when you're just stretching the height of the top of this building without breaking it up with some sort of architectural fenestration or something, I think that's kind of what's driving the odd look of this building. So I would scratch amenities because we don't want to have that added on. No, I did. I'm trying to find a better word. I, I'm hoping that the rest of the sentence is a better encapsulation of what you're looking for. But, um, I was thinking about the word architectural elements. It's still wrong. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a simple building. I mean, you, you can take a building like this. It's not that big. It's an industrial building. There's a certain elegance and simplicity. And, you know, we're, we're not seeing that here. And I think I'm not sure which buildings John or commissioner Vucic referred the applicant to maybe study and take a look at to have a better understanding. But unfortunately in these discussions, they become so subjective. The best way to, you know, communicate this is by example. And I think that's what was suggested is go look at this, this, this. So you understand what I'm talking about. Is that helpful? Am I correct, commissioner Vucic, that that's kind of the direction you wanted to give them? Yes. Um, try one more time. I took out the beginning of the sentence completely so that we're not limiting improved character of the building to include things such as massing shadows and composition and or any other elements. I mean, any, any other. Sorry. Just overall design composition. Let's leave it at that. Okay. So improve character of the building to include massing shadows and composition. Overall composition. Would it, would the commission, um, entertain if the applicant has any other questions? Um, it's up to you if you want to reopen the public hearing or no. I think at this stage, probably not. Okay. And I have one quick question. It might not pertain to anything, but since they are possibly going to redo all their landscaping, excuse me, and he made a comment that they're going to use a monument sign. I want to make sure that they put trees and don't put trees over the monument sign where they're going to put the monument sign, if they're going to put the monument sign. Um, I don't think it's part of the motion, but. No, it's not. I've just an observation that. I think what they can do, um, what, what, what often is done, they're still going to come in with a sign program later. Yes, I know. But what they can do is, um, design the landscaping with a conceptual location as to where the monument sign can be without designing the monument sign. That's what I was, that's what I was after. Yeah, we can do that. Um, so I think we can still keep some of the things that we said before and then just improve character, including massing shadows and overall composition. I think that sounds appropriate. I think that sounds appropriate. Yeah. So that's our motion. It was seconded. Would you like to reconsider? Consider? I'll second twice. All right. I'm sorry. Can someone just state that motion in one? I'm going to email you the- For the record, please. Yeah, just read it one more time, please. Okay. And then, uh, the applicant shall ensure equipment is hidden, provide consistency among plans, locate fire hatch, locate roof access, provide more detailed and accurate sections. Um, how will the mezzanine fit into the design, provide higher canopy trees and more variety of landscaping, and provide details of the shading requirement. And lastly, improve character of the building, including massing shadows and overall composition. And I'll be happy to email this to you. Can I make one amendment to that? Can you put your last comment first? Yes. Of course. Because that's what's really most important in this review is that. I will. And then the other stuff will tie that together. Okay. So do we need to get a second again? No, I have a motion by McIntosh, second by Gregory. Okay. Chair McIntosh. Thank you. You get a roll call? Chair McIntosh. Aye. Vice Chair McIntosh. Aye. Vice Chair McIntosh. Aye. Vice Chair Blakely. Aye. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. He said aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner Vucic. Aye. Motion carries 5-0. For all of that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I think that was a really interesting submittal. Thank you for your presentation and your hard work that you 're putting in with this applicant. Continue the hard work. Okay. One detail for the minutes. We just -- Could you turn your mic on? One detail for the minutes. We -- We just -- Could you turn your mic on? One detail for the minutes. We -- I don't know that it was clear, but we didn't -- we did not continue to a specific date. So it's just a general tabling of the item and we'll re-ad vertise the date. Yeah. That's normal. Yeah. But thank you for clarifying that. Any -- any other questions for me? Your excuse? Well, thank you. It's always a pleasure and we'll be back. Great. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to item number 5B, which is reconsider the design for a new single tenant monument sign at 73151 Fred Waring Drive for Smile Palm Desert. Case number SARC 25-0005. May we have the staff report, please? Yes. Good afternoon, chair and commissioners. My name is Peyton Thomas, an assistant planner with the Development Services Department. And today I'll be presenting on the Smile Monument sign continuance for permit number SARC 25-0005. The project request. The project applicant is Sinorama and the request for ARC is the design review approval of the proposed monument sign for an existing commercial building located at 73151 Fred Waring Drive. On March 10th, 2026, the ARC continued the project. With the direction of ARC, the applicant has removed the product's information and redesigned the sign to be more cohesive with the building. Here's a vicinity map of the proposed monument sign location. It's on the south side of Fred Waring Drive, west of San An selmo Avenue. And then the exact location of the monument sign would be 11 feet from the face of curb. Here are existing conditions. The existing monument sign pictured would be demolished, but this is the single tenant building that we're referring to. And then here I have the previously reviewed sign on the top and then the proposed sign on the bottom. And here is a nighttime illumination of the proposed sign. And some of the major changes of the monument sign is the top portion of the sign resembles the roof line building design. Then we also have the three inch diameter aluminum tube painted brown to resemble the decorative beams of the building. Again, the product information was removed and the sign was slightly widened to 78 inches from the former 66 inches and slightly reduced to the size of the building. And slightly reduced in height from 66 inches to 62 inches. But everything else is relatively the same. Then staff have determined that the findings have been met and recommend the product for approval. If design comments arise during this discussion, staff recommends that the ARC outline the requested changes and incorporate the comments as conditions of approval. Thank you. Thank you very much for that. Could you please slip back three slides to number five? There we go. So the top one is what we had previously reviewed? Yes, on March 10th. Okay. I was here for that one. Just wanted to clarify. Because I just remember there's a lot of busyness in the first one and I think that's what was a bit troubling. I just wanted to see how pleasant the new proposed design is. Does any other members of the commission have questions for staff? I do. Yes. What is the main material that the actual letters are set onto? Here comes the material board. Ah. Thank you. So it's actually like a kind of stucco-y textured aluminum piece. Yes. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. The rounded bullnose edges. Maybe this is a question for the applicant. I'm assuming that they're going to kind of roll this material to give it a curve, the bullnose. But they're indicating it in two different directions. I'm curious to know their thoughts on that. And then just for clarification, the first sheet, actually even looking at this, will the text be black during the day ? But is that what this means by day, night, vinyl, face? Is that like black during the day and then at night there's white acrylic behind it that glows white? We'll leave that for the applicant. We have both the applicant and the owner here, but the applicant could explain that. Okay. Thank you. And that's it. Any other questions for staff? Seeing none, I'd like to open the meeting to the public and I'd like the applicant to come forth and take the chair and give us some further insight and maybe answer some questions. Yes. And if you could please identify yourself. There you go. Do I just, is this on? Okay. I'm Victoria Romero. You spoke, we spoke last time through Zoom. So yeah, that is day, night vinyl. So in the daytime it does look black. And then at night there's tiny holes in the vinyl. So basically when the light shines through it, it turns completely white. You can't even see the black. You can't even see the black. Well, that's revolutionary. Commissioner Gregory, I'm going to allow you to ask that question about the radiuses. It was the same question I had. I had to ask you about the radiuses. It was the same question I had. I had to ask you about the radiuses. But since you mentioned it, I think it's an interesting detail for your sign. I think it's an interesting detail for your sign. I think it's an interesting detail for your sign. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail for your sign. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I think it's an interesting detail. I'm going to allow you to ask that question about the radiuses. It was the same question I had. But since you mentioned it, I think it's an interesting detail for your sign. I'm honored for the opportunity. So we're presented with a drawing that's showing a front elevation and a side elevation. And with the nature of this material, it's probably easier to bend it in one direction versus a second direction at the same time. Right? Yeah. So basically, the sides of the monument is going to be its own piece of aluminum and it is going to be bent to shape. And then the faces are going to be their own separate pieces, flushed on top, if that makes sense. It does. I think with the radius corners or bullnose edges, it makes sense when you're looking at the front or the rear of the center. So I think it's going to be the front or the rear of the center. So I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. I think it's going to be the same thing. It would look rectangular from the side. Yeah, basically. And if we ever needed to change the faces for whatever reason, it would also make us and make it a lot easier for us to replace those. So then your side elevation that we're looking at would not have the radiuses that you're showing in the drawing. I can't make papers cut off here. Yeah. Can you put that up on the screen there? Yeah. So you're drawing on the right. You see the side elevation is also illustrated to show that there's three inch radiuses or radiuses of some sort. So those are going to be square. Is that correct? Yeah. They're going to be square. But there will still be curve on the side. Just on the side. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, you're looking at it from the front. Thank you. Right? Correct. Yeah. I think we're being picky. You brought it up. But I mean, you know, we're just trying to make sure what we're approving on paper is what's there. And I think it's great because that's how the building feels. The building feels soft with these eased edges. And I think it's a much better solution from what we'd seen before. And I really liked the design. So, um, commissioner Blakely, do you have any questions? No, since I was the one that talked about the merchandise. Um, I think this is a much simpler one. Um, maybe the smile Palm desert could be a little smaller, but other than that, I think it's much better than it was before. Commissioner Sanchez. No questions. Commissioner Vucic. I actually like the variation in the lettering size. I like the smile on desert being bigger because that makes that the sign and then you have the doctor's names and it's not confusing as to what's supposed to dominate the sign. Um, I, uh, I remember, you know, last time we talked about, um, creating a monument that, that complimented the building architecture more. And, and I, I'm just giving you my, my kind of my personal thoughts is all. Um, I remember at the time thinking, maybe I should say, don't make it look like a miniature building. And I didn't say that. And this sort of looks like a miniature building. Um, but I think if you remove the peeler poles, it's going to look a little odd just having a nub sticking up in the middle. Um, so the, these are just random, random thoughts. Um, I, I, I think that it could have just been, um, an interesting shape like the existing monument that's out there that you see in some of these photos. Um, or it could have been a composition of shapes that might have been even better. Um, it, it didn't need to go to this extent of having little miniature peeler poles and whatnot. But, um, I, I think, I think it's fine. I think we were trying not to make it so plain like the first one. And, you know, it had, it's, it has its rounded edges. Now it's not so square. It's not just a box with no design or no accent to it. And we just felt like having the curved edges wasn't enough . So we kind of just put like one more thing to it. Yeah. It's still somewhat in my opinion, simple, but we didn't want to just to have again, another box technically with rounded edges and just the logo on top with the doctor names. So I felt like there was one thing that I needed, you know, tell the designer to just maybe add that this time because the existing monument, um, right now doesn't it's, it's has rounded edges. I think it's kind of like staggered. Um, it's really small and it just has wording on it. Very plain, nothing interesting to it. And I, this is just the one character, additional characteristic that we added to give it some life, I guess. Yeah. And I agree. I think that the shape that you went with, you, you need the peeler poles. Yeah. I think architecturally they're called Vegas. Yeah. Viga with an I. Vegas. There we go. Let's see. Okay. Commissioner Vucic. Is that it? That's it. Okay. Wait, I got one more. Oh, here we go. Commissioner Gregory. I'm just looking at the site elevation. It appears all the lettering is going to be set in. Um, like, is this significant? Will it be like a shadow reveal or is it just like a quarter inch? Um, so basically it's gonna, yeah, that sample is gonna be on the backside of the aluminum. And it's not gonna show at all. I mean, this shows some depth to it because it's on a panel and there's adhesive just so that we could stick it to something and then write notes around it. But it's not gonna stick out at all. It's gonna be in just like how that letter A is. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Any other comments from the applicant? No? I think I'm good. Okay. Great job. Thank you. Okay. Then we'll, uh, is there any comments from the public out there? No comments from the public. Okay. Then we'll close the public hearing. Um, uh, any comments, uh, to close before we, uh, make a motion for approval? No other comments? My comment is, um, I know sometimes simple is better, but I think the little Vegas are a nice little touch cause they 're actually gonna create a little shadow on there. And I think that's just a nice little subtle detail. Well done. So, uh, would someone like to make a motion? I'd like to make a motion to approve as submitted. I'll second that. Commissioner Vucic? Aye. Chair McIntosh? Aye. Vice Chair Blakely? Aye. Commissioner Gregory? Aye. Commissioner Sanchez? Aye. Motion carries 5-0. Thank you very much. And thank you for coming in. It always helps to have some clarification, some personal clarification. I hope you enjoyed your afternoon. Okay, moving on to item number 5C, design review approval request to ARC for a wall exception at a single family residence. May we have the staff report, please? Yes. Good afternoon, Chair and Commissioners. My name is Peyton Thomas, an assistant planner with the Development Services Department. And today I will be presenting on the wall exception for 7 4180 Peppergrass Street. Permit number DR 260003. Permit number DR 260003. The request for the exception is to the request for the requirements of the Palm Desert Municipal Code 25.40.080 for a new block wall at 74180 Peppergrass Street. The height of the proposed wall would be a six foot wall with five six foot four inch columns set back 12 feet from curb efface and the installation of new landscape. The project location is on the north end of Peppergrass Street, east of Portola Avenue and Lantana Avenue. And east of Washington Charter School. Here's the exact location. And here's the proposed wall location. And for better detail. The portions of the wall that require the exception is the 50 foot wall that's running parallel to Peppergrass Street. The 50 or the 12 foot long six foot wall on the west side and the east side of the property lines. And the 12 foot long six foot wall on connecting from the property line to the two car garage. Now why this needs an exception is in this area where the location of these proposed walls. The height permitted is three feet six inches and what is being proposed is six feet. And here is a rendering of the proposed walls and the landscaping. The material I did ask the applicant to bring a block just for viewing purposes. Pass that around. Just in case. So majority of the wall would be constructed with the eight by eight by 16 split face block in the walnut brown color. With the cap, the solid cap block that is eight by four by 16 on top. Also in walnut brown. And here we have pictured the proposed landscape. It would include date palms, desert honeysuckle, red yucca, firecracker penstemon, and then accents of boulders and then DG for compaction of the ground. And then we have to look at the property. And then we have to look at the property. And then we have to look at the property. 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Six feet. So it's six feet all the way around? Yes. So the portion that we're reviewing today is just where it means the exception. No, that's what I wanted to clarify. Thank you. Yes. Payton, I have a couple questions. First of all, of the requirements for this to be approvable by city ordinance, how does it meet the first requirement? Good question. With the pool being proposed in the front yard, our building staff flagged the pool permit because there's a requirement with building code that a wall would have to be five feet high surrounding the pool. So that was the initial unusual circumstance that was caught during building review. And then the applicant was informed by that. And they proposed the six foot wall after getting that information. So in the back space, it's about 15 foot from the property line to the residence. So it's a smaller backyard. So right now what is being proposed is a pool in the front yard. And with building code requiring that five foot wall, it already would need to have a wall exception, which now the proposal is the six foot wall. Okay. So if you propose a pool, you can get a wall exception. You could have the application. Okay. Yeah. All right. So in the Google Earth image, it looked like the neighbors have walls in line with this proposed wall. They do, but they are shorter. Okay. They're the, the, what appears to be the three foot six inch height. Okay. Yeah. Okay. The shadow on the one on the left looks like that. The shadow on the one on the right looks a lot more substantial. Can we go to the street view on Google? Give me one moment. Is there any other questions as I pull this up? I'd like to see the street view just to get a sense of what 's happening on the street. And while you're looking this up, because I know you can totally multitask. I can. So again, because the pool is being proposed in the front yard, it necessitates a five-foot-high wall for pool safety reasons. So the reason for being here is because the applicant wants to increase that height from five feet to six feet, and in the case of the pilaster, it's six foot four. I don't think so. So as far as the way that our code is structured, we do have this exception. It gives the opportunity for applicants to apply for. It's not necessarily, it's automatically a given, and the reason why it's coming before you all is for that consideration to allow for the additional height. So if the applicant had kept it at five feet, it would not be brought before us? It would still be coming forward. Okay. Yeah, three foot. So the way that our fences and wall section is, it's tiered . So depending on how close you are to the property line, or actually the way that it's set up in our code is the curb face, dictates the maximum height. Sure. But then it also provides this allowance to come before the architectural review commission for consideration for allowing. Obviously, this is kind of an unusual circumstance. I know some cities do allow for this type of configuration of wall. It's just the way that we have our code structured as of right now. It comes before this body to increase the height. And what is the maximum height allowed? With exception? With the exception? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to ask that again. I'm not going to. I have a question. Is the pool already in or not? No. No, the pool permit has not been approved. Okay. It's pending this. Okay. There's no cap. So I know we do have some tall walls here. Also, too, just as a note, the way that our code is structured, if you live within HOA community and you have an architectural review commission, you can actually propose whatever wall heights as long as that architectural review commission has. So I know we do see a number of really, obviously, this isn 't that tall, but we do see some really tall walls and covering the front areas or rear yard areas. You'll see a lot of that in Lake Bighorn. But also, too, yeah. So if you're within an HOA community, you're able to propose higher walls. And then, yeah, there's exceptions to that. So it just kind of depends. Okay. So this is the wall to the west or to the left of the subject property, right, that we're looking at? So this is actually the subject property here. That smaller wall that you see on the east is that wall that you see. Oh, if you click where the mouse is. I'm sorry. We're looking north, right? We're looking north? We are looking north. Okay. Where's the subject property again? Right here. Yeah. Okay. So this... So this... So this imagery is old. So that home and that wall that kind of... So this is the subject property here. Are you sure? Yes. Why didn't you do that? So they're adding a garage door? There is a approved residential permit that has already been processed and approved. So, yes, there would be a two-guard garage being added. That's why I didn't want to add this to add confusion. Can we see what's happening to the east and to the west? The property's next door. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So it looks like to the west there's a two-horse wall. Well, that's different than Google Earth. So if Google Earth is more recent, then this wall on the right was increased a lot. Because of the shadow? Yeah, because of the shadow. So... So then why are the shadows different in Google... Like a lot different in Google Earth? That doesn't make sense. Okay. Well, but that's what it is. It's low. Okay. I have a question. Yes. For this type of project, since it's a renovation, is there a typical requirement of two 36-inch box trees be included in this type of project? And second, do the day palms qualify as that? So for residential properties, they're required to have a minimum of two trees. It doesn't require a certain size. Okay. So as long as they're providing at the very minimum two trees. I know sometimes people provide them as palm trees. We'll see some shade trees. It's just kind of up to the homeowners, whatever they... And then that's the other thing, too. I know we get some requests to remove trees. One of the things we always mention to them is to make sure that they're... If they're removing a tree, that they're replacing it with another tree. Thank you. Do you actually enforce that? So if so... I know we do get some complaints. So obviously, we can't monitor the whole city. But if someone does call and complain to code enforcement, which we do have every now and then, there'll be a call complaining that a neighbor took down their tree and now their property just doesn't have anything as far as landscaping, then we'll go out and enforce the requirement of having the two trees and making sure that their landscaping is up kept . I have a question. At the end of your presentation, you stated that everything has been met and that you would recommend approval. Can you tell me what was met? I'll pull that slide up right now. So we discussed number one. Number two, the exception shall not result in damage to adjacent properties. I think we could all conclude that that has been met. Property owners adjacent to the proposed exception shall be informed 10 days prior. The adjacent neighbors had been informed 10 days prior. And then exceptions for non-conforming materials shall be based on architectural merit and compatibility with the home's architectural style. What is being proposed for this building of the wall, it's acceptable materials. So this last finding is not applicable for materials. Number four is not applicable? Because non-conforming materials would be something like vinyl or wood. Or corrugated metal. Yes. So someone could propose those type of materials before the ARC commission. And so that would be valued. Or it would be reviewed as based off of that. But this type of material is material that we approve for any type of home. For any type of home. Okay, cool. Good. Well, split face is very elegant material. It's conforming. I love that. I love that. Okay. Any other questions? No. Then it appears that the applicant is in the room. And would the applicant like to share anything with us this afternoon? Please state your name and address for the record, please. Gary Gonzalez, 74125 Old Prospector Trail, Palm Desert, California. I think Peyton did an awesome job, covered everything. Unfortunately, we didn't have room in the back. So our property was set up so I had to put the pool in the front. So this would help us create a pool for someone to enjoy. That's really one of the reasons why we're here. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. Oh, don't leave yet. Oh. Does any of the commissioners have any questions for the applicant this afternoon? I do. Mr. Gonzalez. Hi. Am I correct that the code requires a five-foot wall? Building code around a pool. Yes. It would be at the minimum of five-foot to encapsulate the pool. Yeah. And I'm assuming you're asking for six feet because of privacy issues. Yes. There's a school right down the street. And they drop. All their kids get dropped off right there. Yeah. They use that block as dumping off kids all day. Right. And so I was just trying to help with that. Okay. Well, that's understandable. Okay. My concern is the height. And I'm sent, you know, I want to be thoughtful about your privacy. But as a responsibility of this commission, it's nice to look at the community as a whole. And I'm wondering if there's any way that we can kind of soften the height of this wall. Six feet is kind of high. I don't remember approving a six-foot high wall in the front yard in a scenario like this, this close to the property line. And there's ways to do it, still meet the code, and still give you privacy, but sort of lessen the mass and the impact of a solid six-foot wall. Like something softer on the top course in the form of breeze block or something like that. Because, you know, the street is six inches lower. I'm assuming you're measuring the height of this wall from adjacent grade, which is probably higher than the street. And so walking on the street, if it was level with the top of curb, it would be six-foot six. Right? And so I'm wondering if there's any consideration to soft ening this design a little bit. Again, it's – if there's any suggestions or recommendations , I'm here to take it. It's more – I mean, I want to make it look beautiful. I want it to be attractive. The last thing I want to do is make it look bulky or uninv iting. But it's the fact that there is a lot of foot traffic there . There are a lot of kids and a lot of people that walk through that street every day. And it was just to give that privacy for the property. You know, I think – I don't know if maybe landscape could soften it anymore. That's something, you know, I definitely can do easily. But, again, you mentioned something for the cap. I'm not sure what that material is that you mentioned, but it's something I can look into. Absolutely. Yeah, a breeze block is kind of – you'd see more in a lot of kind of mid-century stuff. It's a block that, you know, has a – you know, there's areas that are – that you can see through. You know, it's shaped. It's kind of a traditional-looking thing. And it just kind of softens the overall mass of a tall wall . And the way I look at these things is driving down the street. If one person does it, how would it look if the whole street had its six-foot walls? I would prefer it. Have you seen some of those houses? Yeah. But, you know, I've been to plenty of neighborhoods that don't. And that's kind of our responsibility is to look at the big picture of the community. And if you allow it once, how would it look if everybody did it? And that's kind of my concern. I'm wondering if there's some – you know, there's some properties that have, like, the fic us that go 20 feet in the sky that – right off the curb, you know. You know, people do different things to try and – Yeah, without a doubt. I don't think there is a limitation on vegetation with that . So you see people taking that approach. But a solid wall is a little different. Yeah. Any other members of the commission have any questions for the applicant? Well, it's maybe more directed at Chairman McIntosh. What about the applicant's suggestion of some landscaping or maybe even some birming? Does that make it – Yeah. I mean, I think we should consider anything like that that would soften the scale of this wall. Yeah, absolutely. Birming is definitely an option. I think we were thinking about that originally, but we didn 't want to make it too complicated on the plan. But you can only go hot so high with birming because the five-foot rule is measured from grade to climb over the wall to get in. It's not trying to keep people out. I mean, from getting out, but people hopping into the pool. Well, I actually wasn't thinking of the birming going up to the wall. It's just kind of in the middle of that area. Like a ha-ha. Yeah. That's another term. Viga and ha-ha. How do you define ha-ha? Well, I think what Commissioner Vucic was suggesting is that by placing a berm kind of in between, that you're reducing the height visually, even though the wall actually drops down below the edge of the berm. Yeah. And, you know, maybe it is a little higher, right, toward the wall, but not a lot. Right. And then it can be higher in the middle as it's coming toward the street and then drop back down again. But I'm not sure that it would- Just make it not look like a six-foot wall. Yeah. Yeah, something to soften it. But you don't want somebody to stand on the ha-ha and look into Mr. Gonzalez's back. That's where the landscaping comes in. Right. I mean, so I think a combination of that would be the solution. I'll put some poison ivy on top of it. Agave. Lots of serrated edges on the agaves. On top of the ha-ha. Yeah. Yeah. I- I- I- Cool. May I ask a question? Absolutely. I know we're off the presentation already, but what are the dimensions of the proposed block again? Is it four inches high? Did I catch that? Or is it- I think it's six by- Six by eight by- Sixteen? Eight by eight by sixteen. Eight by eight by sixteen. Oh, and then there's the- And the split solid cap block is eight by four by sixteen. Okay, so the cap is four inches high. So here's my thinking. Um, obviously by law it has to be five feet tall. My question for you is, is this wall meant more for visual privacy or acoustic privacy? Both. Okay. Um, and the majority of kids that are being dropped off, are they roughly six, five feet tall? Um. They're- They're elementary school. They're probably short. They're elementary up to fifth grade, I believe. But again, there's a lot of parent-adult folk traffic walking them to school and picking them up and parked outside. They just sit there with their cars on, you know, for however many minutes it takes for their kids to come back. So I- I completely understand why you want to do this. I- I just have concern for you and your family, the end user for such a tall wall. Um, it's not a huge yard and possibly without sufficient landscaping, it could feel kind of cavernous. Um, but maybe that's okay, so long as you get that- that barrier of privacy. Um, but the ideas of providing some kind of berms and even in these renderings, they're showing some boulders which help, um, maybe taller shrubs or- or hedges, uh, that can help reduce the visual quantity of this- the block wall. That, you know, to help soften it up. But, um, not- not just on the outside, but also on the inside for, you know, user enjoyment. Uh, and- because I know in these renderings, we're really predominantly focused on what's happening in the front. Um, and, uh, I guess a- a courtesy comment for your- your pool permit is that both gates need to be out swinging. So right now, they're shown as in- swinging gates, but that - that is a Pool Safety Act requirement. Thanks for that. Yeah. That's all I got. Okay. That's all I got. That's all I got. That's all I got. That's all I got. That's all I got. Commissioner Sanchez, this seems like it's right in your wheelhouse. Do you have anything to say? Uh, comment? Yes. Um, it would be, uh, including, uh, shrubs that reach five to seven feet in height. Um, some options could be loco phylum, Tacomas, anything to , uh, better soften that wall. Um, doesn't have to be a full on hedge from one into the other, but give some, um, push and pull with those plants to give some depth, but also provide some visual, a screening of the block wall. Yeah. Landscape's easy for us. Okay. Good. And I would suggest watching out for ficus because you're about to build a beautiful new wall. Um, and in time it'll start to break. Yeah. No comment. No comment. Um, I'm just going to just throw out something we, we, I think is part of our charge, even though it's not written, um, is to watch out for, uh, neighbors. Um, because, um, you know, it's hard for a neighbor to come in here in front of you and say, I don't want this guy to do this. Um, cause that creates, you know, neighbor tension. Um, but, um, I think that the reason there, it's better that there are no neighbors complaining about this, but, but I, I think this is actually good for the neighborhood and good for the neighbors. Um, you know, he's improving the house and putting in a pool. Um, I'm sure the neighbors are, are happy that it's increasing their property values. They are very happy. Yeah. Speaking for the neighbors. I'm speaking for the neighbors. Yeah. Well, that's our main priority is looking out for the community as a whole. Um, well, um, would someone like to make a motion? I would like to make a motion to approve with the condition of adding, uh, additional, uh, plant material that is, that ranges from five to seven feet in height, uh, to soften the wall. Um, I'm not sure if you guys want to include the berm, but I feel like planting should be more than enough for, uh, for, for this application. But that would, that would be my motion there. Okay. We got a motion. Do we hear a second? Do we hear a second? For the third time, I'll second it. All right. We have a motion and a second. Can we have a roll call, please? Uh, commissioner Sanchez? Aye. Commissioner Gregory? Aye. Commissioner Buxik? Aye. Vice Chair Blakely? Aye. Chair McIntosh? Aye. Motion carries five zero. Great. Thank you very much, Mr. Gonzalez. Thank you very much, Mr. Gonzalez. Thank you very much, Mr. Gonzalez. Beautiful project and improving the neighborhood. All right. Item number six, informational reports, committee meeting updates. Anything from the Cultural Arts Committee? Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Meeting. We haven't had a meeting since. Since when? The last time you asked me. Oh. I think that it's been a while, hasn't it? We have one tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. if you're interested . Wow. Very interesting. Okay. Thank you for that information. I'll wait for the update. ARC subcommittee. So we do have an ARC subcommittee meeting that is coming up . I know we previously had Chair McIntosh and Vice Chair Blakely who had volunteered. I know they're struggling to meet that date that they initially proposed. So what they're looking at is Thursday at noon. So if there are anyone who's available to meet for Thursday at noon, we're looking for two individuals. Because myself and Blakely can no longer do it? Yes. Or if Vice Chair Blakely is still available. I know you previously mentioned that you weren't going to be there. Yeah. I was available on Wednesday and then scheduled everything. And then Thursday I can't make it. So they rescheduled to Thursday. So it would be Thursday for one of you gentlemen to be on that subcommittee. I can't use that Thursday at noon, right? Yeah. Thursday at noon. Can't do that. Okay. Well, that leaves Commissioner Gregory. I am not in the office on Friday, so I'll be dealing with a lot of stuff. Could the commission propose an alternate date? We can ask for an alternate date. I just know that they were prepared to try to come in on Thursday and see if there was availability. If not, we can try to figure out a time for sometime next week. That would work for me. I mean, I can stay on the original schedule if we resched ule to another day besides Thursday. It wouldn't work with me because I've got a meeting Wednesday and then another committee meeting and Thursday pushes it. Okay. We'll plan for sometime early next week then. Are they proposing changes or this is just a comparison meeting? So from their initial design, they've kind of moved a little bit away from what they originally had proposed. It's gotten to a point where staff doesn't feel comfortable approving the building plans as being proposed. So what this is is basically providing them some preliminary feedback. It looks like most likely it's going to come before ARC as amending the original design. Who doesn't feel comfortable? Staff. You? Correct. Okay. Just want to clarify. Okay, good. Well, then we'll wait to hear from you on a new date. Okay, good. Any other reports from city staff? No items at this time. We have, just as an update, we have board and commission interviews scheduled for May 27th. We do have two additional applicants aside from those interested in reappointment to fill the vacancy. Oh, great. Do you have two applicants to fill one vacancy? Yes. Who's the vacancy? We have a log. We have a log. Oh, my. We haven't filled it since he was gone. Time flies. So we should have results from that mid-June. Okay, great. I have a question for staff. I have a question for staff. If it's available. I ran in. We did, we had a project called, what's that restaurant? Wildest. Where we were working at the back patio with a container box. And we approved it. She ran into me the other day and told me she was insane because building department denied our concept and gave her another concept. Do you know anything about that? Not that I'm aware of. I couldn't, it's something I could take a look into. I know. She said, she said our plans went bye-bye by the building department. So I know every now and then what we'll have is some situations where obviously the building code comes into play. So whenever they come in with their initial design, there's some small deviations. And typically that's handled through the building permit process. That's the only thing that really comes to mind as far as any particular changes. Typically we're not, yeah. If not making significant changes as. Well, the container's gone. Okay. Yeah. So I was wondering if the container was gone, why it didn't come back to us. Since it was a completely different design. Because I've seen it. Okay. Yeah. And I would have to take a look into it. That whole container concept with the mural and all that stuff we talked about. Okay. It's all gone. She just has an empty patio now with a wall. So I'm just wondering why that happened at building and didn't come back to this commission for a re-evaluation. Or something that we could have done to keep the container. Does that make sense? Did you say it was installed? No, the container was never put in. The building department told. I don't know. She didn't go into detail. She just said they wouldn't let me do what you guys approved. And I have to go with this. And now the container's gone. The concept. Well, that was what I told her. I didn't have the answer. I mean, it originated with her doing outdoor dining for COVID. Okay. Right? Yeah, I'm not too familiar with the project. I just know that, yeah, that something came in for that particular business. And we've been looking at it. But I'm not quite sure as far as the details. I just wanted to give her an answer. What was approved and what's actually out there. I know sometimes people will propose something and then it just doesn't come to fruition. Right. Yeah, I've never heard of building department shutting down something like that. She told me it was a building department. That's why she did what she did. And I said, you should come back to us. She might be confused. Well, that's why I'm trying to clarify. Either that or it couldn't meet the building code requirements as they were proposing it. Because I know sometimes. Well, I understand that part. People will come up with a concept. But then when it actually comes to the building and construction, they're not able to meet whatever the requirements are from the building code. Should we have known that when we approved it? No. No? Okay. No. Yeah, they wouldn't provide that much detail at this level. I'm curious to know what that means to us. Yeah, that would... Something we're not even thinking about. Right. Yeah. It should be. I can check in to it and see what information there is available. I told her to get an answer one way or the other. Okay. Okay. Not combustible enough. But that would have been our issue, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe it's something really minor. Like putting this... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a misunderstanding somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. And just my comment is sometimes with reviews, an applicant will see non-compliant after review. I've seen that project and it seemed like it hadn't changed . So she could have seen a non-compliant review letter come in and take that as something else. So we'll follow up. Yeah. Well, can I follow up on my question from last time and the time before? The Arco gas station at the corner of Portola and 111. I thought we had to address that at the... No. The way we left it was you guys were going to look and see what the approval originally stated and if there's any way you can enforce what was originally approved because what's there now is not what was originally approved. Part of the original approval, I found old docks had grass, lawn, so the perimeter along the Highway 111. Right. It had a wraparound lawn. So I know that is under discussion on, you know, and I talked with Code on how to go about that if that's something we want to reinforce people to introduce lawn. Well, I don't think we want to do that, but you can't just let it go to dirt. I mean, you got to do something. I know as far as one of the challenges as of dealing with the BBWD is also to, depending on what they're proposing, typically you wouldn't require some kind of a concrete and a few kind of a lot of time to do the trail removal because that would be considered a little tricky because obviously you want to have good design out there, but some of it is based off of what's the CBWD? Typically CBWD, I believe, requires 50% coverage as for any DG that's being replaced from a launch of DG. So I'm guessing they had that requirement in place when that turf conversion happened. So maybe that's something that you could look into. Significant amount of trees, and they're all gone. 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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Recording in progress. . . . . . . . . . . Hello, good evening, everyone. It's now 6 o'clock, I will go ahead and call to order the Planning Commission meeting of the City of Palm Desert for Tuesday, May 5th, 2026. May we have the roll call, please? Commissioner Collin. Commissioner Nickerson. Vice Chair Greenwood. Chair Holt. Here. We have a quorum, and for the record, Commissioner Meyerho ff is excused today. Thank you. Commissioner Nickerson, would you mind leading us in tonight's Pledge of Allegiance? Yes, please stand if you're able. Good afternoon. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one mission, under God, and invisible, and the mercy of the members of the Lord. Thank you. Moving on to non-agenda public comments. This time has been set aside for the public to address the Planning Commission on issues that are not on tonight's agenda. For up to three minutes. Speakers may utilize one of the three options listed on the first page of the agenda. Because the Brown Act does not allow the Planning Commission to act on items not listed on the agenda, members may briefly respond or refer the matter to staff for a report and recommendation at a future meeting. Is there anyone in tonight's audience that would like to speak on items not listed on tonight's agenda? Anyone online? For those joining us by Zoom, if you'd like to provide public comment on items not listed on tonight's agenda, please use the raise hand function at the bottom of your screen. Or if you're joining us by phone, you can press star nine to be added to the queue. Seeing none. Then we will move on to the consent calendar. All matters listed on the consent calendar are considered routine and may be approved by one motion. The public may comment on items on the consent agenda within the three-minute time limit. Individual items may be removed by Planning Commission for separate discussion. Do I see a motion? Move for approval. Second. Second. motion carries 4-0 being no consent items held over on tonight's agenda nothing on the action calendar we'll move to public hearings anyone who challenges any hearing matter in court may be limited to raising only those issues here she raised at the public hearing described herein or in written correspondence delivered to the Planning Commission at or prior to the public hearing remarks shall be limited to a maximum of three minutes unless the Planning Commission authorizes additional time public hearing a 8 a consideration to adopt a notice of exemption and approve a conditional use permit to operate a 1900 square foot bar at 73 730 El Paseo Suite C including revised operational details and conditions following a continued public hearing staff may we have the report please good evening chair and commissioners for the record my name is Bobby Keating associate planner in the planning division of the development services department tonight I'll be presenting case number CUP 255003 a request for a conditional use permit to allow a bar and lounge use at 73 730 El Paseo Suite C the request before the commission is to approve a conditional use permit for a 1900 square foot bar and lounge within an existing tenant space on El Paseo the applicant proposes recorded music only with no live entertainment or DJ the business would operate under a type 48 ABC license which allows on-site alcohol sales without food service staff has also included conditions prohibiting off-site alcohol sales through the C UP approval the project site is located on the north side of El Paseo between Larkspur Lane and San Luis Ray Avenue the rear of the building connects to President's Plaza which provides shared parking and service access for surrounding commercial uses the site is located within the downtown zoning district the El Paseo overlay district and the downtown general plan land use designation these images show the existing tenant space from the El P aseo frontage and the rear access from President's Plaza the space is currently vacant and was previously occupied by commercial use the proposal would use the existing building footprint footprint and does not include any building expansion or expansion into adjacent tenant spaces the signage shown in the renderings is for reference only and would be reviewed separately through the city's design review process this slide shows the proposed interior layout the bar rest rooms and back of house areas are located along the interior wall with seating located along the into adjacent tenant spaces. The signage shown in the renderings is for reference only and would be reviewed separately through the city's design review process. This slide shows the proposed interior layout. The bar, restrooms, and back of house areas are located along the interior wall, with seating located along the opposite wall and near the front and rear entries. Access would be provided from both El Paseo and President's Plaza. All bar operations would occur indoors and the proposed floor plan does not include a dance floor. This item was first presented to the Planning Commission on March 17th. At that meeting, the Commission continued the item to allow for additional community outreach and to provide staff and the applicant time to further address operational concerns. Those items included noise mitigation, security, queuing, site cleaning, cameras, open flames, and storefront appearance. The following slides summarize how those items have been addressed. The applicant submitted an updated statement of operations, included as Exhibit B to Resolution Number 2917. The proposed hours are 2:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. daily. No kitchen or food service is proposed. There is no dedicated dance floor and the use would operate entirely indoors with no outdoor alcohol service. From 2:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. the business would operate with low-level background music, televised programming, and no low-frequency amplified sound . After 9:00 p.m. the use may transition to music video-based entertainment with doors and acoustic curtains closed as needed to contain sound. In response to Commission direction, the applicant has proposed several noise mitigation measures. These include acoustically rated wall and ceiling finishes, acoustics, curtains at the storefront glazing, doors closed beginning at 9:00 p.m., a limited speaker system with no subwoofers, and pre-op ening sound testing. Staff has also added conditions prohibiting low-frequency amplified sound before 9:00 p.m. and requiring a pre-opening sound test by a licensed acoustic engineer with city staff present. The applicant has also expanded the proposed security measures. A minimum of two licensed security personnel would be required from 8:00 p.m. to 2:30 a.m. with security stationed at both the El Paseo and President 's Plaza entrances. The revised conditions also address continued security presence through closing, enforcement of loitering restrictions, and implementation of a formal queuing plan. The applicant has clarified site management and maintenance procedures. These include monitoring exterior conditions during operations, cleaning surrounding areas within 30 minutes of closing, using the existing President Plaza trash facilities, and maintaining a designated smoking area. The revised conditions require the business owner to maintain the smoking area, clean areas within 100 feet of the entrance, and promptly address any bodily waste or similar maintenance issues. This slide shows the proposed access and queuing plan. Customers may enter from both El Paseo and President's Plaza. Parking would be provided primarily in President's Plaza, with additional street parking available along El Paseo. The front queue would be located east of the El Paseo entrance, along the sidewalk area closest to the curb, to maintain pedestrian access along the storefronts. The rear queue would similarly be located east of the rear entrance, adjacent to the parking area. The plan also identifies the proposed smoking area in President's Plaza, and the type of required portable receptacle. This slide shows the applicant's storefront design concept. The proposed signage, again, is shown for reference only and will be reviewed under a separate application. The daytime perspective shows the storefront with doors open where feasible to maintain transparency and pedestrian engagement. During periods when the doors must remain closed, such as during extreme heat and high air condition operation, the acoustic curtains may remain open to preserve visibility. The nighttime perspective shows the doors closed to help contain sound, with acoustic curtains used as needed, based on interior noise levels. As directed by the commission, the applicant held a second community engagement meeting on April 7th at the project site. Notice was mailed to property owners within 500 feet, and signs were posted at the front and rear entrances. The meeting included 23 attendees, including one city staff member. Attendees included residents, business owners, and other interested parties. The applicant presented the revised project details and provided an opportunity for questions and feedback. The full list of proposed conditions of approval is included in attachment one, with the track changes version included as attachment two. The revised conditions reflect the commission's prior direction and include additional requirements related to noise mitigation, security, site management, surveillance, queuing, and the prohibition of open flames. These conditions are intended to provide clear operational standards and enforcement tools if the CUP is approved. Staff reviewed the project for consistency with the general plan, municipal code, and required conditional use permit findings. The downtown land use designation supports commercial, dining, and entertainment uses, serving residents and visitors. The proposed use would operate entirely within an existing building and has been reviewed by planning, building, code compliance, economic development, fire, and the sheriff's department. 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I believe that's attachment four and I don't believe that's listed. Okay. Okay. And my last question is, with respect to, it's mentioned there that, you know, food is not being proposed here. Are there any options short of actually building, you know, an approvable health and safety, you know, Department of Environmental Health type kitchen? Is there anything that, that can be provided and/or leverage using other services like DoorDash and, and surrounding businesses that could be leveraged? Yeah. So, the use of delivery options was considered. However, in the applicant's consultation with the health department and in staff's consultation with the fire department, having any sort of food consumption would trigger different requirements that would require alterations to the project. Do we know what those alter, what those alter, what those alter. If I recall correctly, it had to do with occupancy loads and how they classify any sort of dining. This is according to fire . Any sort of dining, dining has a different ratio than a bar use. Okay. Maybe, maybe Mr. Gregory can tackle that question. I appreciate that. Thank you. I just had one question. It was mentioned that there would be a representative here at tonight's meeting from code enforcement in case we had any questions of them. Are they in the audience this evening? Oh, wonderful. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Chair, I have one more question to ask in regard to the measurement of the 100 feet from the entrance for the cleaning. I think that's a condition under exhibit A, number 25. Is that a radius from the door, the front entrance in both directions and then potentially into the street area as well? Yeah. Excuse me. Yes, that condition is envisioned to apply specifically to all frontages within 100 feet in each direction of both the primary and rear. If there were debris that were related to the business in the street, I'm sure the business owner would address that, but obviously that comes with some safety concerns. Right. And I'll note that that condition states the primary entrance. Right. Not the rear. Sorry, I misspoke. Yeah, it 's specifically for the front entrance. So is there a reason, was there a consideration by staff that maybe this is a requirement that needs to carry over to the rear of the property as well? I don't believe that was previously discussed. I think that condition was derived both from the, this previous meeting and our consultation with code enforcement and the types of conditions that they enforce for similar businesses. Again, the rear backs up to President's Plaza and most guests would be entering through the primary entrance. So I anticipate it was meant to really address the front. I'll just ask you to ask you, I'm just gonna, I mean, the rear, but when I say, are you aware of any issues that we, we may be having with people leaving litter because it's at the area where their cars are parked? Because I think this is gonna have a heavy emphasis on parking in President's Plaza as opposed to the street. Pot entially, I know that that, that entrance might be for VIPs. Um, is there any concern that staff might have about, or maybe you have some experience in the past or not, um, about having that? So I haven't had any experience with that issue. Um, but a representative from code compliance oversees El Paseo specifically, and he may be able to address that. So, um, maybe to jump on to, to the past question. My understanding was the primary and secondary entrances worked in tandem. There wasn't an emphasis put on either one. Um, you know, if you park in Peasants Plaza, you can go through the rear entrance. Or if you're coming from El Paseo, you can come through the primary. If we have that clarified. Um, yeah, both entrances are equally accessible. I think, um, sort of by nature of the pedestrian orientation of the front entry, it's anticipated that that would be a main entrance. But, um, the, um, applicant did amend their statement of use to clarify that the rear would be accessible as well. Okay. And it's something that, you know, I'd like to hear from fellow commissioners, but my understanding was that condition actually applied to the frontage and the rear intent that, you know, within the building, within the, within that proximity, that area was clean to maintain the same as El Paseo. So for discussion. Who's responsible for maintaining President's parking lot. Yeah, the city is. Yeah. The city is. So same as, as El Paseo. So city is. Okay. Um, yeah, I, I, I, I would like to see maintenance, especially associated with your own use, uh, on the street. Um, I would like to see maintenance, especially associated with your own use. Uh, on the street, um, 100 feet, I think is, is the number chosen based on the last one. I'd, I'd suggested increasing it, but I understand that, you know, the other businesses, um, have interest in it being a clean area also. So, you know, I think the suggestion last time was to possibly, uh, explore options of having either the city take it over and increase fees or have the business district consider that. So I, I would still like to make a recommendation that the cleaning of El Paseo and possibly President's parking lot be presented and, and I guess recommended to council to, to decide on whether or not that should be evaluated any further. Um, but yeah, as far as cleaning goes, I think it makes sense that should just maybe just say of, of any entrance or something. I think that, I think that makes sense to, because I, I think people are going to mostly use the prison's Plaza access personally late at night parking next to it. So. Okay. And we confirm that up after the public hearing. Yes. That condition can be amended to include, uh, a hundred feet of either entrance. So the primary. Any additional questions of staff at this time? Okay. Then I will move towards opening the public hearing. There are just a couple of items that I would like to go over prior to opening tonight's public hearing. The first is that this is a continued public hearing from the planning commission meeting, which took place on Tuesday, March 17th, 2026 regarding this project. Because this is a continued public hearing, we invite anyone who has not yet spoken on this item to turn in a blue speakers card and wait your turn, uh, to come to the podium to speak on the item. Um, for those of you who have previously spoken on this item in the last public hearing, we invite you to speak on this item only if you have new information, uh, or wish to address additional information presented since the last public hearing. Uh, for those who have previously spoken or submitted written comments, those comments are included in the public record for this project and they have been reviewed and considered by the planning commission. Um, secondly, for the record, uh, I did have a conversation with the applicant's architect sometime on or around March 19th, 2026 regarding the project and any discussions the architect had had with the applicant regarding the addition or alteration of project design elements in order to meet the proposed additional conditions. Um, and lastly, uh, in the last public hearing for this project, uh, I stated that I operate a business from an office on El Paseo. Just for the record, I'd like to clarify that that office located at 73255 El Paseo is approximately 2,450 feet east of the proposed project location. Almost on the opposite end of El Paseo and way past the 500 to 1,000 feet that may be considered a conflict in accordance with the California fair political practices commission regulation 18702.2. And with that, I will go ahead and open tonight's public hearing. I didn't receive any blue cards. Were there any that were submitted for speakers this evening? Just, just one from the applicant. Okay, very, very well. Um, I would think it would be a great idea to hear from the applicant or the applicant's representative first. If you'd like to come up to the podium and state some opening remarks. Uh, commissioners, staff, my name is Jeff Gregory and I'm the project architect here with Patrick Major. Um, just first and foremost, uh, I wanted to say that we did our best to incorporate all the feedback we received from the previous planning commission meeting. Um, and, um, and ensure that, that we are doing our part to make sure that, um, we're accommodating all the requests. Um, I, I didn't have an opportunity to clarify the previous commission because I lost my chance at the podium, but, um, um, as far as the rear and, and, and, and, and front or main entries, we were under the impression that, that you want to speak to this part, that, that those would be cleaned 100 feet on both sides. So that was our intent anyway, especially because there would be smoking in the back part of the smoking area, um, requirements were that Patrick and his staff would be cleaning that nightly upon closing. Um, and then move that portable, um, but depository back to , um, his space. Um, um, um, as far as the entries go, um, the name previously for VIP entry was VIP and name to kind of, um, do away with any confusion. We've relabeled it to rear entry. It is accessible by any and all people. Um, it's for people who park their cars in the parking lot and back. Um, otherwise, uh, do you have anything you want to add, Patrick? Um, yeah, I mean, if, if commissioners have any further questions, I'm happy to answer them. Um, yeah, so Mr. Gregory, thank you. Uh, with respect to the, the smoking depository, um, you know, I understand there, there might be some limitations on where this can get located by M can, I am concerned that it's located between two parking spots on like a, you know, four or five foot median. You know, I wouldn't want someone smoking in the front of my car. Um, do you have any other options on where that might be able to get located? Yeah, well, uh, the, the task is to keep it as far from the buildings as possible, which really gets us really far from the buildings in general. So you can't go backwards. If you go eat, uh, east or west, you're still traveling parallel to the buildings. So the only solution would be to head north 70 feet, which gets us into the parking area. And the reason why it's located where we show it is because we have an existing carport there. We don't want the smoke to kind of congregate under the car port. So we have it off to the side where there's nothing, um, you know, blocking the smoke from above. And it's also fairly close to the building. So security should have an eye on it. Um, I know there is no ideal spot for smoking period. Um, we're open to ideas and suggestions if you have them. How, how far on the site plan, I see there's a, a break line there. So I'm not sure in terms of distance, how far is that trash enclosure from where you've located it? That is a good question. Uh, I am not sure. Do you have an aerial of that Bobby that you could pull up? You know, uh, I wonder, I wonder if it, if we couldn't just locate something like that adjacent to the trash enclosure, um, you know, that's within a reasonable distance. Okay. So you can see the red mark is, is the location and the trash enclosure is passed to the left of that right there. So, um, you know, I think it's problematic all the way around. I mean, it's, it's, uh, Your street view is going to be hard to catch it. It's pretty old. Yeah. It's, it's problematic all the way around. I just think where it's located is also still, still a problem. Um, I mean, there is that spot just over there to the east. Mm-hmm. That, I don't know. I don't know if staff has a recommendation or whether, whether the applicant could work there, but I think that's something that could warrant further study. Um, the other question I had was, regarding food. Um, you know, one of the things, one of the things that differentiates this project from, from others is that it's a bar only establishment, right? Um, that doesn't mean that that's good or bad. It's just, I think, you know, one thing I've heard is the concern of people drinking with, you know, for a sustained period of time, these are adults, right? And they're responsible for their own decisions. But, you know, without having food to balance it out, could , you know, could lead to, uh, could lead to natural issues. Um, are there, are there any options that were explored? I'm not sure what would change in the occupancy of the building. It's actually not about the occupancy and the load. It's more that if food is introduced, um, there's going to be a requirement for a kitchen hood. And that is a fire department requirement, regardless of whether we cook the food or bring it in from outside. So, so if this were an option using exterior delivery services, they're saying you'd still need a hood if you're doing zero cooking and it's strictly delivered by adjacent business? For the fire department, yes. So I believe, uh, um, Deputy Marshal Carlos Rodriguez was, uh, on the call at the previous planning commission meeting . He was the one we've been interfacing with. Um, unless they were able to include something as a condition for their approval, uh, we would have to do a completely separate project and include a kitchen. Um, I had the same reaction. That's interesting. Yeah. Um, believe me, we would all love to have the opportunity to bring the food in. We're not cooking it. Um, so at some point our hands are tied. Okay. Um, those are my two questions. Thank you. I have some questions too. Thanks for being here tonight. And, uh, I thank you for clarifying the rear and front maintenance requirements that you're thinking is it's on both sides. I think that that's the direction that I would support going as well, which is one make sure it gets clarified in the conditions of approval, because I think these probably compared to other conditions of approval are going to be looked at pretty closely over the next few months. Um, if the, if this gets approved and you're, and you're able to open, um, in regard to condition 26, which is regarding the bodily waste cleanup, is it your understanding that that would be within the same areas of the other cleanup? Um, or is it limited, is it more limited in that respect? So maybe that's a question for Mr. Keating is for the hazardous material cleanup, if that also followed the 100 foot front, uh, front and rear entries. Um, so that, uh, condition was proposed by code who I believe would be relying on, um, security cameras to confirm documentation that in fact was originating from, I guess, to this establishment, but they didn't provide like a specific radius. Okay. So I think that that's probably going to be important that that's addressed. Sure. If it can be identified through one of those security. So, uh, the assumption that on our part would be that if we 're required to have an agreement with a company such as this, that they would be called out for any infraction, which would be both the front or the rear. And to what extent that distance is that will be followed. Um, and I'm kind of curious. I didn't ask this at the original hearing back in March. Um, but I, it does show up in the description of this project and within the staff report, but the dress code that's mentioned, because that is supposed to be an aspect of this that makes a difference as far as, you know, what we're reading in the responses from the public that might support this. But I don't see any definition of the dress code. I don't think the operation of this either bends in one direction or the other source, the success of it. But I am curious as what does that dress code mean? Patrick measure? It's upper scale casual, um, no flip flops, no hats on backwards. So, yeah. So that's the extent of it? Just those two things? Yeah, just pretty much. Yeah. Oh, no, yeah. Yeah. None of that. Yeah, no, no jeans with holes. Just, yeah. So my security at the front is going to do their job to make sure everybody's, you know, up to the dress code. So. Um, I think that's all my questions for the applicant. Thank you. I think that's it at this time. So, um, I'm sure some other questions may come up. We'll call you and the applicant back up. All right. Thank you. After we hear from other members of the audience. Thanks. Is there anyone else who would like to come to the podium to speak in either opposition or in favor of this project? from other members of the audience. Thanks. Is there anyone else who would like to come to the podium to speak in either opposition or in favor of this project? Yes. Yes, if you are unable to submit the blue card, it doesn't matter, it's more of a formality. Good evening, everybody. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. Sherry Pierrotoni, the owner of Pizza Vino. First of all, I want to thank all of you. You've done a lot of work on this and trying to mitigate any future problems, and I'm grateful for that. One of the topics that came up tonight that I'm very concerned about is the smoking area. So I did not pay close attention to what that map was, and I see that it's right in back of my restaurant, and that is not good. It's a family restaurant, kids, older people, wheelchairs. To have people smoking back there, I hope you don't allow that. Thank you very much. Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to speak in favor of opposition to this project? Sure. Please come to the podium, state your name and address, if you'd like, for the record. My name is David Wells. Thank you for the opportunity, Madam Speaker and the City Council. I visit here regularly three times a year, four times a year, and I came here in summertime, and I absolutely have found nothing to do. Anything to help this city to generate business and keep it going, I'm all for it. I'm all for it a hundred times. A hundred times for it. My city in Lakewood, they'd shut down businesses like this, and now they're begging people to come back. And now they're having trouble of getting revenue, just because they've shut people like him down, and now no one wants to come back there. I'm a smoker. I've been smoking all my whole life. I will find a place to smoke. If they're the first place I go to, I ask the person at the door, hey, is there a smoking area? If they say no, I will find a place to smoke. And usually I go out to the car, I'll shut the car or my truck, and I'll have a cigarette. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Mr. Keating, can you pull up that aerial image again, please? And show that area to the east off of, is that San Luis Rey? One second. Okay, right there. Right here. Yeah. Would staff have any issue if that was a designated smoking area? Is there anything there that would violate a city ordinance ? Is it 70 feet from that building? No. I guess it's less. It's only about 25 feet. What about to the middle? You're pushing. I mean, assuming that drive aisle is 24 feet to 25 feet wide, sidewalk 30, you know, you're in there. But it would, the way President's Plaza is designed, I mean, you know, there's not a lot of options. And I think to impose something with, that's going to affect other businesses in between cars, it just seems like that's the most logical area, right? It's open. It's away from people off the frontage. So, you know, just so we don't run into an issue, it would be nice to designate somewhere that's the best option. And what I've seen, that would probably be the best option, unless staff has something that they would disagree with. And that is something, again, we can, as a condition confirm if that alternative works or not, are fine. I mean, I think we have enough guidance here to explore alternatives that your intent is looking for locations that obviously meets our code and standards, but gets away from businesses and people as much as possible. Yeah. So we'll try to find that, which is what we do, right? Generally speaking, right? Not every business or what have you has to go through, like, a formal permit process for this. So it is something that we're regularly able to do. Okay. The other item I wanted to clarify is the whole concept of, you know, cleaning of, what was the term that was used? Yeah, bio ways. Bio, yeah, bio ways. So it's a nice way of saying it. With respect to that, you know, my, yes, code compliance can review security and so on. I think the impact, and if that's, if that's, if it were to happen, and there's obviously, if people are drinking, there's certainly an opportunity that it could, which is any establishment. I think the applicant at the last meeting had mentioned that as part of closing operations, you'll be walking and surveying the immediate area. I think what we're trying to mitigate here is an adjacent business three, four doors down, going to business that morning and, you know, having, having something less than, you know, feeling to deal with. So I think the hope and the condition in this is that the applicant will survey the immediate area, make sure there's nothing there. If there is, they'll take care of it and clean it at the time. We're not relying on staff in the next day to be dealing with those, those type of issues. I think that was, so just, just to clarify and make sure that everybody's, you know, good with, good with that intent. So, and I do have one last question for the applicant, just the one I asked the first time as well, but just get it back in the record here tonight. But do you plan on working at the bar? Yes. Yeah, I'm there. Every day. Great. Yeah. I don't think this is much of a question, but maybe a comment in the general discourse of our discussion here. I think that in the case of this project, that in the operation of this business, that the security people that are checking the IDs are also going to be responsible for a lot of other things. Where's the smoking area? Where's the queueing area if it gets busy? And hopefully as people are leaving, encouraging them to, if they look inebriated, to take care of them. And so that they are not creating a bodily waste issue further down the street on either side of the building. I know that one of the questions that was asked at the follow-up meeting is what about the loud noises from hot rods for customers that might be driving to the site and when they're leaving at 2:00 a.m.? And I think the response was there's not a lot of control that the business owner has beyond the, you know, indoor section of the business. And that might, that may well be the case. But I think as a business in any community, this just does, it doesn't have to be the Paseo. It could be anywhere in Palm Desert or the larger area that we live in. I do think it would be important in the case of this one as a good neighbor to make sure that the employees are, you know, really impressing upon, especially those people that are leaving later in the evening, especially, you know , closer to the closing time. You know, be respectful of the neighborhood. There are ways that the business itself can help influence what happens after people leave the premises. And I think that the people are not necessarily completely controlling it. I don't think you're taking any legal action just by suggesting that people be quiet and respectful of their neighbors. You can also do what I've seen a lot of businesses in neighborhood areas in Europe actually put signs up on the door or on the lamppost as people are leaving areas to be respectful, and be quiet late into the evening. The difference between this business and other businesses on the Paseo, it's going to be open late. And I think in some respects, you almost owe it to us as a community to make sure that you're providing as much control of your patrons as possible. So I think the patrons, you know, also have a lot of responsibility here too. I'd like to think my fellow visitors and residents that are going to go to this place are going to be respectful and try to make it the place that it's been promoted as in these two hearings. So I certainly hope that that I am not necessarily suggesting that we have to put that as a condition of approval unless others think that it has to be, but I definitely think that there's an expectation here. It's got to be more than the city and the co-compliance taking care of the issues here. It starts with the business owner and I really want to make sure that I'm seeing that as a resident that walks by this site almost on a daily basis early in the morning, every day of the week. So, thanks. Sure. Patrick Major here again. Yeah, all I'm asking is, you know, give me an opportunity to succeed. Let me prove myself and I won't let you guys down. Hopefully I see each and every one of you guys in there. I did bring a lot of support here. I also started a petition locally here. I got 730 signatures since I left here after that last meeting. And mainly those are local residents. Now it's on change.org. So, yeah, I just would appreciate the opportunity here and let me prove myself and you guys won't be disappointed. So, appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Is there anyone else at this time who'd like to speak on this item before I close the public hearing? Is there anyone online who would like to speak? Oh, sure. Seeing none. Okay. My name is Steve Stamford. I'm a retired Air Force pilot. We've got 33 years of, or 33 combat missions. What I can tell you about Patrick is he's a stand-up guy. Okay. He makes sure that he listens to suggestions. He's open to them. I know there was a lot of comments made about after-hour closing, cleaning up, and things like that. He takes this very seriously. Okay? He's not someone that's just going to leave trash around. He wants to be a good neighbor and a good host to his neighbors and future businesses, because what's good for him is good for them, and what's good for them is good for him as good for him as good for him as good for him as good for him as good for him as good for him as good for him as good for him as good for him as good for him as good for him as well. So, I think that's a good question. Because what's good for him is good for them, and what's good for them is good for him as well. He very much understands what he's asking for here. He's a good kid. Give him a chance to succeed. He's got a number of influential people that are coaching mentors and watching out for him. So, he's got an advantage that some people don't have. Okay? That's all I got. Chris Atkins: My name is Chris Atkins. I am a resident currently in this area, and I own the world 's leading Arabic and French interpretation firm. I spent most of my life as a business consultant. I met Patrick here because I'm also a local singer here. As I retire from that business, we have a global business. We're considering living here. I haven't been buying a house in this area and somehow another place somewhere else. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm a member of the community. I'm from the Atlanta area, originally from Michigan. My wife is from Tunisia. This is a beautiful area, and it's an area that is prone to growth. You know, as we came -- when we first came to the area to look around, we drove down the street, and after we found a place we were trying to find, and we didn't pay attention to it, the street where it was, didn't really realize it was, we found that we were extremely happy, and so we loved this area. One thing I want to say is that, you know, this area, the El Paseo area, it is like the Rodeo Drive in California here, but when you get to the end , right -- well, we call it the end, and it shouldn't be, you know, right where he's talking about, that's where things start to die. And I'm looking down the street, you know, and there's so much more of buildings, you know, empty, and, you know, I think the young man deserves a chance, you know, to prove himself. I was a young entrepreneur. As a young man, I'm 70 years old now, but as a young man, I was an entrepreneur, you know, somebody who had dreams and tried, and I did some things that worked, some things that didn't. You know, he is extremely ambitious. He has an extremely positive attitude. That's what drew me to him. He has a positive attitude. And I come from a very humble place. You know, I was the five-year-old that went into the -- into all the all-white schools in 1960. So I had a tough go. But because I was ambitious, you know, I've become successful in that. And I think he deserves a chance. And also, this area is beautiful. Wherever you -- I mean, if you're a city and where it's dying, keep going. Keep growing. Keep putting more people there. And get them any kind of way you can. And this can be a lot bigger than it is, you know. I'm considering buying a house here, and I love the area. So I just wanted to speak on that. You know, I haven't known Patrick Long, but one thing he has is ambition. And that's what any area of growth needs. You know, I would have never, ever became a company that is a global company. We interpret for everybody you can imagine. You know, the FBI, the CIA, the presidents, rulers around the world. You know, all the hospitals, you know, every major organization, WHO, we are the interpreter for the border. You know, so it's important that we give a chance. Thank you. Hi. My name is Gregory Wells, a resident of Indian Wells, now Palm Desert, above the road. I say we are the people. The Constitution, who's that? Mulberry versus Madison. The councilman, we pay our taxes. So you work for us. And that's what, in the Constitution. So I think that the more you bring to Palm Desert, it's a beautiful thing. It is absolutely. Like he said, it's like Rodeo Drive, Bay Hill, Aspen. I'm not a good public speaker, but thank you for your time. Thank you. Yeah. If there's anyone else who would like to speak to this item , now's your opportunity. Going once, twice. Okay. Then I will close tonight's public hearing and bring it back to the table for discussion. I'll start it off. You know, I think our goal has always been, and we are a business friendly city, you know, first and foremost. I think the applicant, obviously, is going to do everything , you know, within his power to operate the most successful business that he can. You know, the market dictates things, right? If the business isn't well run, people don't like it, it doesn't last long. That's not the hope. That's not the goal. You know, my hope is anything that's proposed here in any business flourishes and it benefits the street, benefits its neighbors, benefits us as a city. I think we have some very strong conditions and have gone through great effort to ensure that this is successful, not only for the applicant, but for the city and the neighbors. If those conditions aren't followed, you know, the city will act and would shut this down. And no one wants to see that either. And I don't think the applicant is the last person that probably wants to see that happen. Based on everything that's been presented and the fact that it is in line with the ordinances within the city, I would at this time move forward with a recommendation to it. Do we have additional input? Comments? Yeah. I'll first, I want to thank staff for the incredible work here in making this extremely easy to understand what the changes were. And, you know, having all of the changes made since the last meeting just kind of laid out like this has made it really nice. So, first of all, thank you for making this really easy to review. And then I want to thank Patrick as well for being receptive and having an open mind to understanding what the community character that we're trying to preserve with each of these specific conditions and listening to the community . Because each one of these that was added was in direct response to concerns that we heard during the meetings. And I, you know, want to reiterate what my fellow commissioner here said is that, you know, we understand that the, you said it last time that, you know, the person who wants to see the business succeed the most is the business owner. I will want to, I do want to caveat that with the way I hear that though is that the business owner is going to do whatever it takes to stay in business. And that's why we put these conditions in place so that you don't drop below a minimum standard in order to, in order to succeed. And so just want to make sure that, you know, we get that out there. The, you know, community concerns are legitimate. And I think you did a good job in being open minded in addressing those. So I want to thank you as well for that. So yeah, I think I didn't, we didn't get a lot of new information in here tonight. I am also, you know, happy with, with the changes made, but I'd like to hear from anybody else. Yeah, I appreciate staff clarifying the changes that have been made since the last meeting that made it easier to get , move, move this forward. And it's good to see the information that came out of the, the follow up community meeting and the comments that have come through in that too. Appreciate that. And I do appreciate all sides coming to these meetings and speaking your minds about this. I think it shows that everybody wants the Paseo to succeed, Palm Desert to succeed. And I think that this can give us an opportunity to see because of the conditions of approval process with the CEP, to make sure that we're doing things in the right way to make sure that there's compatibility that's important to me on Paseo in particular. I appreciate the applicant bringing forward the specifics on what you're doing to the storefront to make this a more compatible use during the day, where I think a great deal of people will be noticing it more so than they will at night. And I also appreciate the fact that you're leaving opening the opportunity that you can look inside this particular business area at night when it's dark, because I didn't see that from before. If that's a change, that's great. But I think one way or the other, it's better now than it was when we looked at this a couple months ago. So I think that I am supportive of it in the effort of wanting to see a small business succeed. As my other commissioners have noted, I would suggest that in the motion that we do clarify that the conditions regarding the location of the smoking area need to be adjusted, so that we have an area that works better and is less, provides less or not any more conflicts, which I'm in agreement that I think the location of it within that parking area is not a good idea. And also to make sure that the conditions in regard to the cleaning apply to both the rear and the front entrances, as well as the applicability of the bodily waste cleanup or the biohazard cleanup, that that needs to be strengthened within the conditions of approval as well. I think those are the ones that I noted that matter to me that we've been discussing. But if I miss one, please have the other commissioners add on. Thank you. Okay, very good. So I had a motion with a second that added some clarification. And you've received that correct, Mr. Flores. So it doesn't need to be repeated. Madam Chair, if I may, just to just maybe clean up my motion a little bit and make sure it aligns with the second . So I would motion to approve resolution 2917 with the following amendments. One staff will work to designate a smoking area as discussed in today's meeting. That is not located. An impact the adjacent businesses and or personal property like cars as it's currently shown. And that would be just for clarification, a modification to condition number 24, which is the condition regarding smoking. That is correct. Second, I would like staff to, as it relates to food delivery, this is not about the applicant creating a kitchen. This is about leveraging other opportunities that would benefit surrounding restaurants, often within El Paseo. I would just, if there can be an internal discussion between staff and fire where that was mentioned about, you know, having to place a hood, which as an architect, I don 't understand why that would be the case. If there's so and there's code to support it, then so be it . But I would like to maybe just try to push that issue. I think if we could, if the applicant was open to it and it was within reason and they could bring in Uber Eats and other opportunities like that, I think it could be a good thing. And then third, clarifying the cleaning condition that it applies to both the El Paseo and the President Plaza side. And that last one is for condition number 26. And for your second point, what we're hearing clearly is we can look into that and that if that does become an option without needing modifications to the plan, that that could be something that we can look at at our level. John, did you want to maybe link 26 and 25 distances? Is that what your goal was? Because I didn't hear that. Yeah, I would agree. It would be both conditions 25 and 26 need to be linked or the 100 foot needs to apply to front end rear, but also the bodily waste requirement for the immediate dealing with that situation needs to apply within those same areas. Agreed. Or a case could be made that it may go beyond that. And certainly the spirit of these positions would, if the source is this business, then I think you might get a call from somebody at the city that would suggest that that needs to be handled by them. It could be in the median of the Paseo, which I'm sure you would want to take care of that problem if it's in the median because the median with the investment the city makes and the median's on the Paseo, the cleanliness there is as important as it is along the sidewalks. We have some possible draft language as part of your motion that Commissioner, if you agree to it. So condition 26, which is about the bodily waste, right, this sentence would be added. This requirement shall apply, sorry, let me read all of it, right. So the condition is the applicant is responsible for the immediate sanitary removal of bodily waste from patrons of the subject bar use. The applicant shall maintain an active service agreement with the professional biohazard and hazardous materials cleanup company capable of responding within two hours of request for the sanitary removal of any human waste or bodily fluids occurring on the premises or within areas under the control of the business. This is the added sentence here. This requirement shall apply to all areas within the premises and within a minimum radius of 100 feet from all entrances, exits, and points of patron ingress or egress that are under the control of or reasonably attributable to the business. Documentation of such agreement shall be provided to the planning division prior to issuance of a business permit. That's condition number 26. And then for condition number 24, which is about smoking, applicant shall provide and maintain a portable cigarette waste receptacle within a designated outdoor smoking area in President's Plaza, located a minimum of 70 feet from any building. The receptacle shall be removed, cleaned, and stored within the applicant's lease premises at the close of each business day. The applicant shall coordinate with staff to identify an appropriate location prior to issuance of a building permit . Is there more language you're looking for? And then I think 25 was going to be modified to maybe just even remove, or however you wrote that last, for 26. Instead of saying within 100 feet of the primary entrance, it would just ingress, egress, or however you-- Okay, so the applicant shall maintain all publicly accessible areas, including if not limited to street sidewalks, landscape areas, parking within 100 feet from all entrances, exits, and points of patron ingress or e gress that are under the control of or reasonably attrib utable to, the business in a clean and litter free condition. And then what about your food delivery question? Was that going to be a-- I don't know if that's necessarily needs to be a condition of approval, but it is something that I'd like staff to review and work with the applicant on. Okay. Yeah, maybe before the first six month check-in, we can get some clarification. And then I did also notice that there was no permit submitted for the dance floor. I think a dance floor would be lovely with live music, and I hope we haven't scared you off from that. If that's something that you eventually would like to do, you know, I would hope that you would feel free to work with staff on that. And staff would also encourage, you know, to keep this project moving forward, evolving over time. Yeah, and we can provide an update on that at the first check-in as well. Okay. Very good. So I am good with the recommendations made by staff. All right. So we have a motion with those recommendations. Is there a second? A second. Thank you. Please vote. Motion carries. Four-zero. Congratulations, Mr. Major. We look forward to seeing you again. Best of luck with your business. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Best of luck. - Congratulations, Mr. Major, we look forward to seeing you . Again, best of luck with your business. - Thank you, guys. Thank you. - Best of luck. - Thank you. - Recording stopped. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Chair, can we just have a brief recess? - Sure. - It's 7:09. We'll reconvene at 7:15. - Okay. - As I've done the worst in favor, I know that every gentleman that feels that he's doing this. - But it's like his name has been . - Oh, you're hiding it now. - Yeah, it happens. What are you gonna do? - What are you gonna do? - Sound strikes again. Dressing can be difficult. - Yeah, that sounds like something I would do. Constantly a comedy of errors wherever I go. I've got these, 'cause I drive a lot for work, and usually I'm eating snacks, and then I get out of the car, and it's all over my hands, and you know. I'm like, "Did you ever see these from Shark Tank?" - Yeah. I think they originally made them for gamers, you know, so they didn't get the buttons dirty while they're like, "Mm-hmm, mm-hmm." - Yeah, I'm like a snack nerd. It's kind of fun. - Yeah. - - - - - - I think I was doing the same thing. - - - - - - - Yeah, well, I personally eat in bed, which I know is horrifying. My dog eats some after. - - - - - - - - - Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, that's my partner. He's got like the, that heat every morning after heat, because he does this stretching, like with his feet on the ground, he does his own special mat there. - Yeah. - And then when he gets up, he takes the mat out, and like, he just waves away from the day, and then it puts it back. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - well thank you okay perfect happy cinco de mayo so so so so so so so are we ready to restart or still waiting uh just one minute it's joining oh got it recording in progress we can resume wonderful okay so um informational reports and comments uh summary of city council actions all righty i have a few things wanted to bring up at the last um city council meeting april 23rd for any of you interested myself and rosie we did a study session on key projects going on development services um anything and everything related to what we'll call long- range projects going on with our city um some of which you guys have been involved with and will continue to be involved with um some of the items are unified development code um including some municipal code updates that we'll be looking at with like abuse analysis um some things related to housing but we it was a pretty good overview in terms of all the projects that we got going on so if you're interested we have a presentation um there as well um that same day hillside project was approved um and so thank you all we were able to incorporate you know all the comments including from the the the couple previous meetings here this planning commission um some of those recommendations um so we got that buttoned up and approved and so um we're excited to use that moving forward um there was also um so you're aware our homeless homeless assassin forest and environmental resources committee um are no longer um and so that that was um approved at the last city council meeting and next week we will have a study session on our budget so we always do that before presenting it formally there's a study session held in front of city council may 14th to go over our budget um and everything to do with that that i got okay very cool uh next on to committee meeting updates cultural arts committee yes i have a quick report uh we did meet uh back would have been the second uh wed nesday of april and our since our last meeting for sure uh they did go over a few items one was an update from staff about the uh proposed sculpture for the roundabout right outside of the meeting location here and uh the they did the community engagement through engage palm desert and the uh the one that received i believe it was 75 percent of the vote was the design that that looked like a set of sticks that were kind of like leaned together um with a stainless steel ball on top and i'm not going to retain the name of the artist but that um i believe was then going to go to council for final approval and it may well have gone in the last couple weeks but that was i think going to be staff's recommendation because of the strong uh uh number of uh votes that it got through the online process that was actually not necessarily the one that was uh ranked first by the cultural arts committee itself it was the other one i do think that they are going to try on a location for that one as well somewhere in the city and then pending funding as well a couple other things that they covered at that meeting um there is a a piece of art on the back of the the amphitheater in the civic center park area here uh that 's been up there for several probably about a decade that got the de-accessioned uh went through that process that's going to be removed because of it's showing its age it's kind of a pacific northwest scene on both sides so you 'll see if that hasn't already been removed it will be removed the approved collaboration between the city the artist council and the college of the desert to support emerging artists through an exhibition that's going to first be shown at the college of the desert and then it'll move over to the artist council that comes along with some funding for the artist council to upgrade uh some of their gallery spaces in order to accommodate a pretty large number of of pieces but then one showing um and then finally they uh were moving forward on the cultural arts committee work plan and multi-year public art plan for 2026 2027 where they put together a multi-year approach as to where they would like to focus the city's efforts on placing art or maybe improving spaces where there already is art with the maintenance of the art that's there um and and this would include places like public facilities like fire stations uh some of the priorities already there the locations have been identified and others have not but the general locations of where the art would go in the future has been identified within that uh that particular work plan so that committee is working very hard on a lot of things in every meeting so really appreciate uh the uh the work that they put in and they really appreciate giving any update that i can give them um from the work we're doing here thank you parks and rec yeah thank you uh we did have a meeting today uh at parks and rec um and they got a a couple updates on uh the first one being on the skate park so uh also at the 326 meeting council approved uh the removal of the attendant for a 12-month uh trial period so starting on 7-1-26 through 6-30-27 it's going to be an unsupervised skate park um and uh the goal is to right increase the attendance um so uh they'll be getting updates regularly and it'll be interesting to see how that goes when does that begin seven uh july 1st so told them a period starting july 1st through june 30th so they wanted to get all the uh possible fluctuations and um you know seasonality of of the valley so uh and then they got an update on the um palm desert aquatic center uh will be opened uh memorial day weekend so all of that uh that work that's being done uh will be finally in grand opening so that'll be good to see uh and then they uh they also got an update uh from the ordinance that carlos mentioned um with regards to other committees uh the parks and rec committee is also being uh adjusted as well uh i think that's going for a second reading next week but uh it will modify their their purview and uh is recommending meeting every other month which i will just say led to a healthy discussion between the committee and mayor truby uh so um uh yeah just interested to see how that uh how that goes and uh into the future um then they updated on a couple things they got new benches at uh ironwood magnesia falls ada curb ramp was reinstalled at ironwood so if you if you frequent that park you might have noticed that curb ramp was removed they did add that back in finished the kawiyah hills ada improvements so got a lot got a lot of good stuff going on in the parks um and then yeah so that's it for the parks mark so i do have a comment on the planning commissioners though when you get to that point all right very good uh so yeah would you like to continue then all right uh carlos did the university neighborhood specific plan get approved no it's not it has it has not moved forward um that was one of the items provided an update to our city council um it's on pause at this time as we get there there's a couple items we heard from parks and rec additionally our city council um there's a presentation about uh indoor sports complex and we're trying to see the feasibility about putting it potentially on this site so yeah it's not move it's not moved forward for any approval and it would come before this commission okay that 's my follow-up question so we'll it'll come here first before it goes there um okay yeah and i think there's a some information disconnect between what parks and rec knows and what's being told to them so i think i think there might just be some language that that can can help them ease some of their anxieties um you mentioned the hillside code has been approved do you have any projects in the in the hopper that was waiting for that or anything like that well the the updated guidelines would only apply to applications moving forward so we do have one hillside development plan that was submitted i believe just one um but these guidelines wouldn't apply to it yeah okay and then uh the lastly uh i just wanted to address and just ask if you knew of anything about the graffiti on highway 111 on the building next to the uh uh there's like a game store there red lobster shopping center is what i call it yeah do you know if there's been any i i don't know off the top of my head i'd be surprised if republic works team um not aware and made on top of it and i'll i'll check into it but um i do know a old plug we have some great apps rock solid if you're not familiar with it and you can actually take a photo and get get a response on there um i'll check into it but again i'd be surprised if someone already hasn't been aware i'm getting that their appropriate team out there okay yeah hopefully we have something in place that allows the city to fix things on private property so it doesn't it's not so jarring like that for an extended period of time i think it just it invites other other bad actors um sorry i did have one more question if if we were fine specifically i don't know if my other commissioners feel wanted to bring something up to to council about the cleaning of el paseo and and push that discussion off onto them if if i ask this board to do anything like make a recommendation would that be the appropriate way or do i need to just go as a member of the public what what do you see i guess what is our purview on that versus me just wanting the council to to think about it you're able to i'll start with you're able to as a member of the public um submit something as yourself um in terms of consents uh in terms of more as a commission you you are able i believe an oscar you can correct me if i'm wrong um you you are able to request for action for something to be looked at um from yourselves um for discussion here um to then potentially bring forward to our to our city council okay so the so the recommendation and that's the sorry and both of those are the more formal ones you know um on an informal nature right if there's something that you want staff to consider as you bring it up to them something like the apple sale one i guess what i what i will know um and is that is more of a public works item so so that doesn't bite you know us needing to see where where that um blends itself right um and and checking with them on that but yeah and my goal wouldn't be to direct you guys to do anything i would just want council to think about directing you guys to do something right and so um so yeah all right so i'll uh i'll leave it there for now but i think i might maybe talk to talk to staff separately but um i'd like to just see if because i don't know that we need to discuss it any because again i don't know that it's it's anything that we can actually dictate but i do think that if it if there's a recommendation that this board can make for council to consider it on on a future agenda item i think i would uh i'd like to hear from my other commissioners on on their interest in doing so carlos carlos i would like to recommend to city council to study the policy and review the policy on bar only establishments on el paseo and whether it's something moving forward that the city wants to allow within the ordinance um i think one of the concerns in the previous case is you know one of the things i heard and i think i agree with is the idea of having a blend of services right i love the life i love the energy i want all of it but bar only brings in question right just in terms of a lot of the negatives that were that were presented um i think having that blend of food is is something that could ease a lot of that and um it makes it difficult when when it appears like it's subjective whether an applicant bringing a project forward is like well your your project and your presentation is in line with help to sale but then another one well i don't think it's as good right so it's a very subjective way you know or it pres it is creates the challenge i think in my perspective on the planning commission of of how do you decide which one's going to be successful and which one is not so i think it's a policy decision that city council should should review and uh i'd make the recommendation to bring it forward to him i'd second that i think uh because i did a lot of kind of just research into conditional uses and how that's intended and it's a lot of like does it meet the community character and listening to the feedback from the community specifically about el paseo is i got the feeling that they didn't think a bar met the character no matter what the conditions were on it so i do agree that council should consider revising or revisiting the policy on whether or not bars should be allowed as a conditional use on el paseo when we considered it last i wasn't at that meeting but um the planning commission were were we the final say was planning commission the final say when the code was changed a couple of years ago to allow um that use under a cup on on the use determination yes the planning commission was the final say on the use determination um in terms of it being codified the the core of the plan is doing it as part of our unified development code and and incorporating as part of that um it sounds like what i'm hearing in the end there does seem to be some consensus right is is us looking at that that that um that use in al paseo um staff will look at procedurally what it means for for you all to ask you know city council for that there likely is um no not not there likely there is a role for this commission also in that part of the process right because any zoning code amendment comes through this planning commission first before it goes to city council so i'll just see procedurally after um you know getting this direction from you all whether it goes to you guys and then council or or how we approach that i'll say as an aside that this is something not just because of this but really after um we initially took that that um the use determination to you all that we knew was something we're going to look at um need to look at um city wide and especially downtown and and really looking at downtown where that was one of the things we brought forward in our study session to city council was hey we have a few items in our downtown and one of them is a land use um analysis and this could be and would be part of it right of what are the existing uses out there what are things that we want to see moving forward how do we make it um lively and pedestrian friendly meanwhile protection against the public right all of those things but um so those are kind of all of these to consider and try to come back with your formal direction here and and what what are what our options are but i say all of that just to say that it's it's definitely something that we're we're looking at um on a bigger on a bigger picture but i think specifically to this it's on the forefront for everyone so so staff would staff would review this and then bring it back to planning commission for a formal recommendation to city council or would you take this to city council for direction whether they agree this should be studied honestly i'm not sure right now okay i'll i'll come back one way or another i i believe it comes back here first and then there but i'll i'll confirm one way or another and then um but we'll long story short hearing there's some action or look looking into that this needs um which one it goes to first we'll see also on a side note i thank you for the little collection of um little cheat sheets here uh when we attended city city clerks now i may add thank you um i i will read it uh when because i had to reference um but this evening um when we went to the the planning commissioners training and took that ethics class um they said that they would send us the ethics training certificate did you ever receive it because yes i did you did but it may well have been a link to print it out myself i don't know that i've i think it was coming in about the time i took off my trip oh okay you received it via email yeah yeah okay is it did you get the email as well no it was from the uh the organization that sponsored okay that uh training uh is that the league of california cities i believe yes yeah yeah i'll go back and see what i can if i can retrieve it that would be helpful that way um we can send in that certificate to the city and be good that was the intention i probably should worry about that myself yeah okay thank you and just to carry on i think this is related to uh what both of the other commissioners noted it seems to me that in relation to these items that are coming to us i i hear on almost every one that that's up to the city and it's placed in the hands of both clients um and i i i think that if we were to look at having a better understanding as to how the city works in that regard um if we could maybe think about having a presentation in the future to planning commission by co-compliance kind of talk about what they do but maybe give us some examples of some of these projects that we're looking at and how they may have to deal with them or they are dealing with them not necessarily to give us any specifics if they didn't want to do that but they could at least give us a general overview as to how the process works and and where the ones that they might be having you know thorny or issues with um because i think that will help us understand whether or not we are putting together and staff putting together good uh conditions of approval but are reviewing them and understanding that they're actually going to work in the case of the projects that are coming to us is is co-compliance in development services it is and do i have the do i have consensus that that would be helpful and it could be um we could see if we provide a combination of memorandum or a presentation but it sounds like what you're looking for is basically an overview of um how a notice of violation occurs is that correct and and steps taken yeah and i think uh to i don't know give us an overview is what type of cases are they hitting i mean are they are they yeah we we'd we'd refrain just to be clear we'd refrain from specific examples which i think you can imagine why and and it stick to more overview but they'll they definitely have plenty of examples as placeholders so to speak um of how how the process works yeah we we could definitely do that if you all would find that informational and and i think one thing and just um that we'd want to emphasize and it's helpful right is the kind of difference per se between conditions of approval as well as our municipal code they enforce both everyone you know we enforce both in some ways but just because something's not written as a condition of approval doesn't mean they can't be cited for it and and that there's different rules and regulations um on it even if there isn't a condition of approval a a conditional use permit sorry um everything from business licenses and so yeah we we can we can provide something i think that'd be helpful um and and before we change the subject i think john was gonna say something else um do you guys meet and talk about what good conditions and are and what bad conditions are and you know hey this condition that you you placed and you know could be better served by something else do you guys have like lessons learned between the two of you guys absolutely i mean it's a it's a thorough process and when we're drafting these conditions of approval um where you know we're trying to be reasonable um it is they can be in a sense case by case we're also not trying to just reiterate our municipal code because of approval are meant to be for that project right um and this is not just with conditional use purpose it's just development in general right um but yeah we definitely can have lessons learned um i think a lot of areas where we try to tweak is removing interpretation and making it as um objective as possible because that that's that's what can be confusing to you all as a commission to a developer and to us right um and and i say i'll have to say that stuff about operations we feel pretty confident that we have our conditions of approval but we have just our municipal code as well um that makes it so we're not treating anyone differently and but that we have teeth to not create public impacts anything else i'm good good good good all good all right well then we will go ahead ahead and bring this meeting to a close thank you yeah uh um

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Reconsideration of a design review for facade modifications for Herman Miller and an existing storefront located at 73425 El Paseo, space 110. May we have a staff report on this item, please? Yes, one moment. Good afternoon, Chair and Commissioners. My name is Peyton Thomas, an assistant planner with the Development Services Department. And today I will be presenting on the Herman Miller continu ance for permit number DR 260002. The project applicant is permits today. And the request for ARC is the design review approval for the proposed facade modification to an existing storefront for Herman Miller, located at 734 25 El Paseo. On April 14, 2026, ARC continued the project with the following motion. Motion to continue to give the applicant a chance to revisit the detail of the standing seam at the top and the bottom of the facade and to include detail on the side profile. Just a reminder, the project location is on the south side of El Paseo and it's east of Lupin Lane. So, in response to the motion, the applicant provided an updated elevation to the storefront, more accurately showing the drip edge on the top, as well as updated elevations from a side profile and a profile showing the view while looking up at the storefront . In addition, there was added detail to two sheets, sheet 8A 211 and sheet 9A212. Section detail showing more detail on the plaster pier, as well as detail on the storefront ceiling plan at the corner . And then, in addition, they also updated, this is just the rear elevation. And then, staff recommends, we have determined that the findings have been met and recommend a project for approval . If design comments arise during the discussion, staff recommends the ARC outline the requested changes and incorporate the comments as conditions of approval. That's it. Thank you very much. Does anybody have any questions for staff? No? You had said you reviewed it. And all the responses addressed the comments that we had made in the previous meeting? The findings were met during the initial review before the continuance and nothing has changed to change those findings. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. So your findings in the original presentation, were you recommended approval? Yeah. And I think what he was asking is if the conditions that you all laid out, if each condition was addressed in the resubmittal, and the answer is yes. Okay. Good. All right. At this time, would the applicant, is the applicant online? No. No. No. Yes, we're here. Good afternoon. Welcome back. Thank you. Well, our planning staff made a really nice presentation, explained what's going on with your resubmittal. Do you have anything to add? We are just trying to add one more person. I don't know, Peyton, if that's something you can help us with. Alex Hirsch. She's on the call, but not able to speak. There you are. Can you hear me now? Hi. Yeah, we can hear you. Thank you. Great. Well, anything you would like to add at this point to the presentation that we might have missed? No. As Peyton indicated, we have updated all of our render ings. We added the drip edge onto the elevation. I believe that was missing prior. And we did submit a narrative noting the fact that while we took your comments into consideration and reviewed the drip edge detail, we feel really confident in this design. And so we're hoping that our updated renderings really sort of articulate and illustrate that for you. So as the designer, are you happy with the updated detail? Again, it's not an updated detail, but we are happy and very proud of this design. We've been working on this for nearly a year now. So we hope that that sort of shines through in the updated rendering package. So are you indicating that nothing changed then? Correct. So these are more or less clarifications than they are any sort of a design change, right? Yep. Yeah, that's correct. Correct. All right. Any members of the commission have a question for the applicant? I've got one since basically nothing has changed. What in regard to the landscaping in the back change, if anything? There is no landscaping at the rear. That's just a parking lot. We don't have our lease line does not extend into an area that would require landscaping. Thank you. Thanks. So I have a few questions. And forgive me, I know it's probably in one of these details or maybe Peyton said it, but how deep vertically is the drip edge on the face of the building? Yeah, we discussed. Oh, Emily, I'll let you take that one. It's two inches deep. So it's not. It's not a large profile. Two inches? Mm hmm. Okay. Yeah. Another question. And thank you for providing that view from an angle so we could see the front and the side in perspective. What is the finish and the color of the plaster that's at the bottom? You have the standing seam face and then and then it transitions on the bottom into a plaster ceiling and also on the side where this monolithic form of standing seam turns the corner, goes back about six inches and then transitions into plaster again. What is the texture and the color of that plaster? Any provided physical samples? Any provided physical samples? Are they not there? I believe your team actually reviewed them two weeks ago during the last ARC meeting. Okay. I'm sorry. I just can't remember. I guess where I'm going with it is is is the plaster the same color as the standing seam? It's a complimentary color. Okay. And then is the is the plaster is the plaster smooth? Yes, it is. Okay. What I'm kind of wondering since the standing seam is is the same color. The seam is is smooth. Um, on the sides where transitions to plaster if I'd like to hear other commissioners opinions on this but I'm throwing this out for the applicant. Would it be would it be a good idea to make the plaster the same color as the standing seam just so there's it's it's it's more. It's more it's more of a continuation of of this smooth. Um, this smooth. Um, you know certain color that that makes up the entire monolith instead of making it more noticeable that it's transitioning from metal to plaster. Um, what does the applicant think about that first. Um, we're pretty opposed to that idea. Um, I mean, fundamentally. This, this, this store, um, has a very intentional design. Um, the idea and the intent was not for this to be a mon olith. You know, we're trying to distinguish ourselves from the Apple store, which is just a few storefronts down. Um, that's why we didn't go with a, uh, sort of a flat metal panel. We intentionally chose the standing seam with the small depth that it has. We wanted the articulation. Um, while the plaster is not identical to the colorway of the standing seam, it is again, quite similar and very complimentary. Again, to sort of sound like a broken record, a very intentional design. Um, you know, we are a mid-century brand built on the ethos of industry and these materials really reflect that. Um, and we want to make sure that we stand out on El Paseo and we want to make sure that we stand alone, um, as Herman Miller and have a really prominent storefront. So like a thousand times over, I can really, really whole heartedly assure you that all of these materials were, um, selected specifically for this location. They have not been used at any other Herman Miller in the world. Um, and we feel extremely confident in the colorways and the finishes and in the use and application of all these materials. Okay. Um, hey, Peyton, could, could we project the, the image again that shows it from an angle? Can you zoom in on the image on the right? Oh, there you go. I just, I just wanted to, I just wanted to see it better in light of the applicant's reason for making the plaster a different color on, on that side. Yeah, I'm looking right. I want to see that, that edge. Um, okay. Uh, that's good. That's good. No, we had, it was good. Can you go back up again? Okay. Thanks. Uh, and then one, one final question. Uh, I remember, um, Chairman, um, McIntosh asked last time about the standing seam at the bottom. When you're looking up at it, the nature of that material is that you've got, you've got these two sort of crimped pieces of metal that one overlaps over the other one. And that's what you see on the edge of it. Um, what, what were your thoughts about that when you're looking up at this? It's, I think it's only about 10 feet in the, in the air. Um, so you're going to see it, you know, really clearly. What, what were your thoughts about that when you're looking up at this? It's, I think it's only about 10 feet in the, in the air. Um, so you're going to see it, you know , really clearly. What are your thoughts? I'm sorry. Are you referring to the underside of the soffit at our storefront? Yes. That is 12 feet up in the air. Okay. And, um, I, I suppose if I, I'm going to just continue to repeat myself. We have considered this detail. We believe that this is the best way to, um, have these two materials meet. Um, I think Emily at the last arc meeting, um, sort of went into detail about how it's just, uh, and Emily, correct me if I'm wrong. I believe it's a, uh, just a J bend. Um, it will be finished in the field. The, the, you know, the sort of end of the standing seam. Um, these two materials will meet similarly to how the plaster meets our storefront material. I mean, if, if you're comparing or concerned with how a metal meets a, a, a finish, another finish, one could argue that any storefront metal meeting any other type of material is also of concern. And that doesn't seem to be the case. With any storefront on El Paseo. So I'm sort of wondering why this particular finish, these two particular finishes are, are of concern to the committees. I'm only asking about one material and that's the, the metal. When you're, when you see the, the end of that, of that standing seam and you see the, the two pieces of bent metal. Um, and I'm just, I'm just sincerely asking what, you know, what, what is that going to look like? Is that going to look finished? It will. Yeah. It's going to be finished in field. It'll be painted to match. So you're going to paint the end of the metal. Correct. Yeah. It'll be sprayed to match the paint finish of the face of the standing seam metal, which is just shop painted as opposed to field painted. And the, the folds will be visible. Um, Herman Miller is aware of that and feels good about that direction. Yeah. Correct. Okay. I don't have any other questions. Thank. Thank you. Any other commissioners? No questions. I haven't asked that question, even though it's not in our purview at the moment, it will be later when they do the sign. Is your sign lit or is it backlit to add on to the facade? The sign is backlit. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Hearing that we have no more questions for the applicant, we'll close the public hearing and take a moment for any other comments by commissioners on this project. Well, hearing none. Do I hear a motion for approval? I make a motion to approve as presented. Okay. I'll second that motion. Commissioner Vuckiewicz. aye. Commissioner Sanchez. aye. Commissioner Lachvik. Aye. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. Commissioner Blakely. Aye. Chair McIntosh. Aye. Motion carries 6-0. All right. Thank you very much. Okay. Item number 5B, reconsideration of a design review for a facade modification for an existing storefront for Bercher located at 73680 El Paseo Drive. May we have a staff report on this item please. And commissioners if I may we do have a material board to pass along for you all to see during the presentation. Did we look at this last time? Was this submitted last time ? It was. Okay. Good afternoon chair and commissioners. My name is Peyton Thomas, an assistant planner with the development services department. And today I will be presenting on the Booker Continuance permit number DR 260007. The project applicant is permit resources and the request for ARC is the approval of design review approval of the proposed facade modification expanding an existing storefront located at 73680 El Paseo. On April 14, 2026, ARC continued the project with the following motion. Motion to continue this item with the conditions that the applicant remove the cornice on the eastern half of the building, maintaining the same building height that the eastern half currently has, and that the landscaping is cohesive for the entire building. As a reminder, the location of the project is on the north side of El Pase o, east of Larkspur Lane. In response to the motion, the applicant removed the cornice on the eastern expansion, keeping the height. And then you could also see that the cornice has been removed from the proposed rear elevation. The proposed landscaping includes the proposed landscaping, the proposed landscaping includes golden barrel cactus, peris agave, Mexican fence posts and cigarro cactus. In addition, the applicant also included halo lighting around the metal portals, the addition, as well as two recess LED lights at the entry vestival. Staff have determined that the findings have been met and recommend project for approval. If design comments arise during this discussion, staff recommends the ARC to be approved for the construction of the building. the request of changes and incorporate the comments as conditions of approval. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any questions for staff? None. Is the applicant online today? Hi. Yes, this is Christine Fiorello from Kenneth Park Architects. Well, good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me. All right. Well, do you have anything to add to that presentation that was just made? Just to add that I know we talked about having some co hesion. That was our original design intent. But having with the rear facade, having those ins and outs, we wanted to create the same depth at the front of the facade. So we have removed the cornice. We feel very confident in the corners removal. And we have explored the halo lighting at the front to create some cohesion with the existing store, but also creating a slightly different look to create a little bit more depth in that long frontage. Okay, great. Is that it? I believe that's it. I, I, I, Peyton did a great job explaining the landscaping in the back, the change that we made there. So nothing to add for the rear facade. Okay. Well, I think your building makes a nice statement. Thank you. Any commissioners have questions for the applicant? Yeah, I'm just curious. I really like the, what you did with the landscaping on the north side. And I'm not a landscape architect. So I'm just, I'm just asking here, are those, are those plant selections going to do all right on the north side of a tall building? Most of them are at the rear facade currently on the right hand side of if, as you're facing the rear facade. The only added one was the cactus, the saguaro cactus. The others are currently seem to be doing well. Okay. The agave and the golden barrel and the Mexican fence posts . Is there a reason you chose not to add any landscape material where the, where the fire riser is? We're concerned that it would be creating a hazard to that, to that condition over there. We want to keep it free so it doesn't prevent the fire department from getting in there. Okay. So we figured something that would be, we added the stone columns to create a, a little bit more interest in that area to connect it as a whole, but not creating any hind rance. Is, isn't it pretty common to see some plant material around a fire riser? Yeah. I mean, there's certain required clearances, but I think it 's only a couple of feet. Depending on the space that she may have, if you have more than five feet available, then there's opportunities for some of these, uh, plant, uh, selections that you already made. Like the golden barrel won't, won't impede into that space, especially since this, uh, slow growing and then your, uh, agave as well should be fine in there. But it all depends on how much space you have in that allocated space between, um, the, what was it? A fire? Yeah, whatever, uh, access the fire department might need into that. Um, I'm just, um, kind of focused on that right now because I, I think your design looks really good. I think removing that cornice was a really good move. Um, when I look at that rear elevation, that spot kind of jumps out at me. It just looks sort of unfinished. And, uh, I know you're putting basalt columns there, which, you know, that's, that's actually quite expensive, I think. Um, but it seems like you might get more bang for your buck by just having some landscape like you have on the right and the left. We could check the, the clearances required for code. I can advise that there's currently about four feet. On the left hand side. And if we remove the columns. Then we probably have, uh, I think they're not quite centered. So I think we have six feet on that side. Well, it's not a fire hydrant, right? It's a fire department connection. It's a riser. Right. Right. So I believe it's a riser. Yes. Yeah. So that has a different requirement for clearance than a fire hydrant. Um, so I think it would be interesting just to check because I agree that, you know, it's right. It's front and center and it just feels a little empty right there. And I think just a little bit of plant material fill in that empty planter right now would really complete your project nicely. Okay. That's something we could look into. And you would be okay then removing the columns and replace it with the agave and golden barrels? Uh, yes. Yes. I, I, I, I, I, well, I can't speak for everyone, but I think that would be a good trade. Okay. I would even venture that it's nice seeing the Mexican fence post, like book ending the building. And if it were also in the middle planter with the, uh, Paris agave and the golden barrel, it would, um, kind of help bridge the gap. Given that, um, the planters are essentially on the left side and the middle side of this graphic, they are set in front of almost a double story wall of stucco. Um, that it might help soften the building. Yeah. And, and, and I agree with that too, because, um, it just sort of looks like you want a little bit of verticality there. Yeah. It's a, it's a big wall that it's in front of. Yeah. Screen those mechanical doors a little bit. Yeah. Screen those mechanical doors. Does that, does that make sense? That was to add the Mexican fence posts and replacement of the columns. Yeah. If I, after consulting with the fire department, as far as, um, any clearances required for the risers, if you were able to fill in that planter with additional plantings from your selection here for consistency, in lieu of adding the basalt columns, um, I think you would get more bang for your buck, uh, both financially and, and aesthetically. Okay. Understood. Good. Any other comments? That sounds like a motion. All right. Well, I, I, I, I don't have any further comments for the applicant. All right. Okay. Okay. Well, hearing no other comments, uh, we'll close the public hearing and, uh, gather any additional comments from commissioner. Yes. All right. I have a question for commissioner Sanchez. Saguaro cacti. They're not really native to Coachella Valley. They're more of like a, an Arizona specialty. They thrive out there. How do you see Saguaro fairing out here? Not that they don't exist, but you don't see a lot of them. Could you comment on that? Yeah. They, I mean, they will do just fine out here. Um, for this application, I wouldn't use it. I would use just the same plant palette that's already there, which would be the Mexican fence post and the agave periae in the golden barrel. I wouldn't stray away from that, especially in that small plant. So I'm not sure how big it is, but I wouldn't put it in there for the long term of the, of the life of that plant. Because those would actually need full time sun. Correct. Very educational. Thank you for asking that question. Okay. Yeah. Hearing other comments, would anybody like to make a motion ? I wouldn't take a step at that. Okay. I would like to make a motion that the applicant, uh, replace or remove the Saguaro spec entirely from the project and reuse the, um, Mexican fence post spec on the east side planter, which is left side of this graphic. And that the applicant also, um, after consulting with the fire department, um, replace the specified basalt columns in the central planter and replace those with additional, um, planting from the approved three specs that we've discussed. Too wordy. No. To be clear. That's a approval of those conditions. Correct. You're recommending approval with those conditions being taken care of. Yes. Okay. I'll second. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner Lackovic. Aye. Commissioner Buczyk. Aye. Vice Chair Blankley. Chair McIntosh. Aye. Motion carries. Six zero. A sweep. Okay. Moving on to item five. Consideration to approve a new sign program and monument sign for an existing multi-scale project. Okay. Mr. McIntosh. Aye. Commissioner Buczyk. Aye. Vice Chair Blankley. Aye. Chair McIntosh. Aye. Motion carries. Six zero. A sweep. Okay. Moving on to item five. C. Consideration to approve a new sign program and monument sign for an existing multi-tenant industrial business park located at 73 800 Dinosaur Drive. May we have the staff report, please. Good afternoon, Chair and members of the Architectural Review Commission. My name is C. He Fernandez, Senior Planner with Development Services here to present on SARC 25-0002. This is for a sign program and monument sign for the Dinos aur Business Park. So the project applicant is Best Signs. They are requesting approval of a comprehensive sign program for a multi-tenant industrial business park located at 73800 Dinosaur Drive along with a monument sign intended to keep the -- to help improve the site identification. This is a vicinity map showing the location of the project. The project is located northwest of Dinosaur and Spider Circle. The project is located within the service industrial district. The project is located within the service industrial district. It's completely surrounded by service industrial and then it's bounded on the north side by the 10, which is the city limits. So the project property is part of an industrial business park that was originally approved under a precise plan back in July of 2005. The development allowed for 11 one-story industrial buildings for approximately 65,000 square feet on a five- acre site. For the sign program that they are proposing as part of this application. This is how they're identifying the location of the permanent signs as well as the monument signs and where they're going to be located on the building's facades. Some key provisions from the sign program. The maximum sign area for each sign is 50 square feet. 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The location is the same as the tenant frontage. The drive aisle coming out of this center is a right turn only. So it really doesn't impact as far as visibility. Here's the elevations of the sign for the monument sign. This is an aluminum cabinet design with channel letters. The colors are inspired from our city's approved. The color choice. Also, too, the cabinet itself is going to be painted warm gray and Union Springs, which complements the building. For the dimensions, it's 5 feet in height and 10 feet in width for a total of 50 square feet. This is placed 8 feet behind the public right of way. This is not an illuminated sign as it's being proposed. Here are some of the other monument signs within the area. So just kind of adding some context as far as the different types of monument signs that are out there. As far as for staff's review, we review it based against the findings per section 25-56.100E. As proposed, the sign does meet those standards. And staff is recommending approval. For staff's recommendation is that ARC approve the request for the comprehensive sign program and for the monument sign. As the findings have been met. I know for this one, this one kind of fell a little bit behind as far as staff's review. So we're strongly encouraging that if there's anything that needs to be added, that it be added as a condition of approval. This one was kind of a miss on our end. So we're trying to help the applicant as far as moving this item along. That concludes staff's presentation. Staff is available for comments and questions. And the applicant is also in attendance. Thank you very much for that presentation. Any questions for staff? I just want to make sure I'm clear. So the monument sign you said is not illuminated? Correct. Okay. Not even with like landscape lights or something? I'll defer to the applicant, but my understanding is that it's not illuminated. Okay. And then my other question was, did you say that the building signs are halo lit? So there's different types of signs. Okay. So it's reverse lit channel letters, face lit channel letters. Ah, okay. And then the flat cut out letters. Okay. Which is shown in their... Yeah, that's what I'm seeing here. I just thought I heard you say they're halo lit. Yes, on sheet five. Yeah. So that's gonna be on the left side where it says tenant identification signs. So it provides details on what those signs are gonna look like. Okay. I had a question on the lighting. Each tenant's gonna have their own signature sign, but everything's gonna be lit the same? So there's two options for illuminated signs and then there 's an option for just the flat cutout letters, which is not illuminated. So there's, in essence, no consistency with all the signs, other than the scripts. Each one has their own logo. But at nighttime, there'll be different lighting. So I'll leave that question for the applicant if they can clarify. Okay. Thank you. So you had mentioned in your presentation that these colors selected were approved Palm Desert palette. Is that a... I'm not aware of a preferred color. So it's part of the city's branding as far as the colors that have been selected. It's not something that we're requiring. It's just something that they took inspiration from and that's what they're proposing. So try to... And that's those orange colors? So it's a variation of the different colors. It should be the second attachment. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it in front of me. But that's what we have. When was that adopted? That is a good question. I'm not quite sure. You guys aware of this? Nope. Interesting. I thought I was such an expert. Okay. If there's no other questions for staff, I see we have the applicant in the room. Would the applicant like to come up? Oh, sorry about that. I didn't see you there. CG, is it typical? Okay. Traveling eastbound, you see the reverse of 73. Is that typical? I don't recall seeing signage like that. You know, you get a reverse view going eastbound. It's on that short, you know, where the color palette is. Yeah. So when you're going eastbound, you see the reverse. I would, I have seen signs designed in this nature with the channel letters and then having it open. So then when you're driving eastbound, then you do see it in reverse. Okay. But it's, yeah. I don't think that would create any confusion. All right. That's, yeah, that's my question. That's kind of a sculptural element. I have a question actually for staff. When we're working on our own projects and there's the need for a fire department to be able to readily read a street number in the evening. So from what I heard from the report, the numbers of 73 and the individual tenant numbers have no interior or backlit lighting at all in the monument sign. But one would assume then that there would have to be some kind of landscape light pointing up at that at night. I would leave that for the applicant to. For fire there, their biggest item they look for is on the building itself. They don't, there is a monument sign that they care about for it to look at and some requirements there, but it doesn 't need to be eliminated. The applicant can speak of how it is eliminated, but it's the, they need to make sure that they can see on the building itself. But I don't believe it has to be, I don't know a hundred percent for industrial. I know what you're saying. Cause we are required to put numbers on the building and even page, one, two, three, four, five, page six of the big packet identifies the large numbers, but those aren't illuminated. So my question is, is there some kind of just wouldn't the city want to see some kind of lighting on the greater sign? So it's not just dark at night. Not, not, not that it has to be illuminated through the signage itself, but like a landscape light. For the monument sign. I mean, it's not, it's not a requirement, um, you know, for , for safety per for safety purposes that, you know, that's for building and fire. But my understanding is that they didn't require it to be illuminated in that way. Um, I, I'm, I'm not sure exactly if they require some sort of landscape elimination, but, um, we've seen them come in with just, with no elimination on them. And they're able to see it, figure it out, I guess. And, and I guess the next question is given that the applicant submitted this package, clearly identifying that it's not intended to have any light on or within, um, the, the city has no desire to see any kind of light shining on this very expensive sign. Or should it be interpreted that at a later date if the developer or the owner of the complex were to install an up light that there'd be no issue with that? There is no condition that they could not light it. Uh, that could be conditioned if that's something that you guys are looking for to say that this isn't to remain as non illuminated. Um, if they are to illuminated in the future, we would just look at what's being proposed and make sure that it's consistent with our lighting section of the code. And so if that's the case, then they can go ahead and, and put some landscape lighting against it. Um, but we would review that if the, the change came forward. Um, as far as preference, I don't know that our code gives a preference. It's, um, or staff send. Obviously, yeah, it, it helps identify the center and makes it a little bit easier to find. And I think that's the purpose of what, why they're bringing this forward. And it will add, I mean, for industrial, sometimes it's a little, it's also a little different, but it, a lot of that 's for your consideration as well. Right. And in terms of why we bring these forward to ARC is, um, if those are, you know, things you think are appropriate for it, but admittedly in the industrial areas, um, in terms of the amount of what you would call public traffic to, to and from is a little different in terms of how we want it lit. Um, and yeah, the, the lighting for the, for, for building, it's not required. It has to be lit, but there are, it has to be legible for them. And there's different ways that they can work with the applicant fire and building to make sure that they can see all the, all the lighting, all the, um, um, addresses. That answer your question? Good. Okay, then let's, uh, let's hear from the applicant. Since he's in the room. Can you come up to the desk there where that microphone is and identify yourself and. Uh, good afternoon. My name is Jim cross. I'm with, uh, the public. Uh, good afternoon. Uh, good afternoon. My name is Jim cross. I'm with, uh, best signs incorporate at Palm Springs. Um, it's. Thank you for having us. Uh, good afternoon. My name is Jim cross. I'm with, uh, best signs incorporate at Palm Springs. Um, it's. Uh, thank you for having us and hearing us out. I would like to just basically just kind of. Uh, I would like to just. Uh, lay out for you guys how this all came to be. Um, and I would like to just. Uh, I would like to just. Uh, I would like to just basically just kind of lay out for you guys how this all came to be. Uh, is I got a phone call that said, uh, we need a, uh, a Monument sign. And, uh, you know, so we designed this, uh, this Monument sign. It was submitted to the city and the city says, well, we need a sign program. Uh, which makes perfect sense. Of course, in fact, I was surprised that this complex did not already have a sign program. So, um, the sign program, uh, it was, and that's why it's kind of used to have two separate documents within the Mon ument Sign. And the sign program itself. Um, let me just, uh, check off a couple of the, you know, questions. And that was, it has to do with the lighting. There's probably one best reason why the sign is not illuminated. It's because there's no power out there. Um, essentially, is it possible to bring power to it? Yeah, you dig up the parking lot and all that stuff. But the thing is, is that, um, the people that, that, uh, and this is another reason why there was a question mark is , well, why are there illuminated and also non illuminated individual letters proposed for this building? Because most, if not all of the tenants in the back are, uh , you know, 6:00 AM to 5:00 PM. They're, um, you know, auto body, they're, uh, roofing, plumbing, uh, cabinet shops, that sort of thing of which people would not be going to typically during, during, during the, the day. They have no desire to invest into, uh, uh, you know, uh, lit signage. Whereas the, the elevations that you saw that were facing the street, of course, they would like to have lit signs. So that's why we have both. Um, the, uh, we would also would like to be able to have the option if currently there is no, you know, dance studio or martial arts or something like that, that could conceiv ably be open in the back. We would like to leave that option open for, uh, one of the , if someone in the future was to take a space or buy one of those buildings that they would be able to have an, uh, an lit sign. Um, the design of this is, is that it's, uh, it's, um, it's not realistic within 50 square feet to itemize nine tenant names to put the, uh, the body shop, the roofers, everybody 's name on there. It's just, it isn't going to work whatsoever. So what we came up with was essentially kind of a, a, you know, waypoint. Um, that when that first phone call came, it wasn't like, Hey, we have extra money. We'd like to spend. We'd like to give it to you guys. It was people are saying they can't find us. That's the issues that those nine buildings in the back, people have no idea where they're at. And there's currently no monument sign. And so there's, you know, people are just essentially they couldn't find them. So at this point, our objective is to keep it simple, keep the names off of the tenant. Uh, keep the names off of the, off of the monument signs of having some of those tenant panels. If you, if we were to look at the page and maybe you have it print out in front of you, you have it right there. Uh, you can see that those, you know, even the ones that have, you know, five panels, they're just worthless. Uh, from a, uh, from a, you know, traffic visibility standpoint. So essentially those nine tenants in the back, they basically say, look for the sign that says 73. Boom, we're done. Um, instead of putting names on there, we put the individuals, the individual addresses so that, you know, if I am looking for, you know, make a roofing and it's, I know the address is, you know, 73, 470, whatever it might be. I can see that on the sign, but essentially you just need me to turn in. And, uh, and the, and like I say, it's not impossible to have that sign lit, but the nobody on the front, uh, of the , uh, you know, of that elevation facing the street cares that this sign is in place or not. They already have visibility. It's the nine tenants that are in the back that are hidden. Uh, and, and that's, that's the driver of this sign. Have any more questions? I'm right here. I think the design is brilliant. I mean, it really stands out on the street and does what a sign is supposed to do. And it's, you know, simple. Um, I don't know if it was just me, but at first glance, I thought it was a gas station. It just, they had that feel with like the advertised fuel prices on it. You know, I don't know why that, I was like, where's the gas station. But the more I look at it, I really like it. What I'd like to do is look at your sheet two of your monument. And the details, because I think it's really important the way you're showing it in perspective that the three is thicker than the seven, right? No, it's not. It's not. That's just, that's just shading to give the impression that it is thicker. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. That's just trickery. I didn't, I mean, I, what I had done is the, is the three and the seven are on the same plane, but I wanted it to have the appearance that it was standing off. So I, the, the, the idea was to do that with shading. Really? Mm-hmm. Isn't that interesting? I mean, it's effective in the graphic for sure. Right? I mean, it looks like a, I think it'll translate shadow. I kind of like it actually not being planner as, as rendered with a little shadow reveal. It looks like it's kind of set in front or behind one another. It, except when I'm looking at, at the, the large image in the center of the page, I think, I think that is rendered that it's not in the same plane. Right. Is that what you said? Yeah. Yeah. I, I, now it looks like there's a number that's overlapping another, which looks pretty cool. So I, I'm agreeing with you. Okay. Yeah. I think, yeah. Um, I, I, I think, um, what was it, Jim? Yeah. Yeah. John's dad. Correct. Yeah. All right. Um, we're, you're rendering actually does not have it in the same plane. I can tell by looking at the top. Well, he, he said he did that just for, or the, or the, or, to give us what, what, what was your reasoning behind it again, Jim? Well, it's, it's, it is on the same plane. I did that in, in, in SketchUp, and then I added that shading there, and there I'll draw it to make it look like it was dimensional. But I can, I can see what you're saying that it, it's on the same plane on the, on the front. Okay. But, but, but I can, I can see the top of the three. Yes. And it's not in the same plane as the face of the seven. No, it's, uh, well, it, it is dimensional on the top, but on the face, it's on the same plane, like the seven and the three, because I didn't, I wanted to differentiate. Those are two different colors of orange, but I wanted to differentiate, but I wanted to separate those two colors, uh, other than just applying, you know, a lighter color on top of the dark. And that's why I added the shadow to it. So you call artistic trickery. I think you said, Mr. McIntagy, I think you said it was genius or something. I don't know. Something like that. Well, I wouldn't refer to that. I thought the, the overall concept was brilliant, was my word. Oh, brilliant. Brilliant. Thank you. Thank you very much. Um, but, and the reason is, and that's why I don't mind seeing the 73 backwards coming from the West. I think that that's, yeah, I, I, you know, so if it's more than just, if it's just more than two numbers, you're probably asking for too much, but with just the two numbers , the simple fact is, I think it'll still be, I still be identifiable. And if you were to look at any other monument sign as a cross reader on that street, like I said, they're all worthless. Right. Completely. You know, that's why I use the word brilliant. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So, but now, why are they not? Why, why can't you make them in different planes? Cause I think it would just complete the, the, the composition of your sculpture here. Is it a constructability issue? No, no, no, of course not. Uh, as a, uh, I know you've got a lot of things. I know you guys do great work. Yeah. Uh, as a sign designer, it's also, I'm, I'm also supposed to be part architect, part architect, part designer, and also part estimator. And this guy holds the purse strings. And so we can, we can, we can, yeah, we can do whatever we want to this thing. It'll just cost a little bit more. Okay. Can he identify himself for the record, please? No, he doesn't have a microphone. Yeah. Hello. My name is Sam Spinello from Spinello Park Management. I'm the representative of the industrial park known as a D inosaur Business Park. Great. Thank you very much. Is this, is this what they were referring to? Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so they're not on the same plane. You did that to show. They're on the same plane. I was going to paint a shadow to make it look like it was there. Like it's dimensional. They would say, Hey, look, if I might step in, they like it , they like it. So there is relief between the two. They would like for that three to be able to have more, more depth. Yes. The drawings as shown in plan and elevation are to what Jim is actually proposing to build. But we're all commenting that we like the perspectives where he added a little shadow reveal. shadow reveals Jewish gives a depth. So my question for Jim is, could you accomplish that shadow reveal by adding maybe like a two inch standoff on each side of the orange panel and allow them to overlap each other? We can do anything. Absolutely. I mean, yep. Uh, like I said, it was, um, you know, and I'm not, I'm not joking when I say that, you know, like a good sign designer solves the problem within budget. And so that's basically, it would just cost a little bit more budget aside. Would that collect dirt and dust and create, um, no more than the rest of the sign. Sorry. That's not going to work. Sam. Um, what's Jewish cost? I don't know. You know, just tell everybody we got our brew. We just have to spend a little bit more money. How much more? Uh, $1,200. Sold. Okay. All right. That's the way we like to get things done. So good. I, I, I, I have a, I have a, I have a, I have a follow up question then just to make sure. The seven is proud of the, of the gray element, right? It's, it's wider than the gray element. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So then it looks like each letter is two inches thick based on the math here. So if we're talking about having the three proud of the seven, then we're looking at one foot eight total dimension for the thickness of the signage. You know, that, uh, maybe no, you just, you just brought it . That's that's done an error that that side views incorrect. It should be solid at the top. It's not what's showing those two inches is that, uh, what, what I'm saying is that, that, that should be solid at the top. That should, that it's, it's not only two inches. It would be the entire as, as this, as this, this perspective view shows it being solid at the top. That's the way it's going to be. This is not going to be those seven, the seven and three is going to look like this. So the face of it basically it's, there's, it's not just two plates. It's currently boxed in. Yes. I, you just brought to my attention that the side view on those is incorrect. And the plan view and the end views would actually show solid color. Yes, exactly. Okay. Yeah. It seems like the red, uh, the red seven is a foot four inches, right? Oh, that's probably going to be more than that. Um, that's going to be, um, not even worth the, uh, reading glasses. Can I see these numbers? What does it say at the top? The one foot four, one foot four. Yeah. So, um, you know, that'll be 16 inches then. Yeah. And then the three would be one foot eight. Uh, no one. Yeah. One foot eight. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the two inch. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I don't, I hate to go two inches though. Can I go one inch and it has nothing to do with cost. I'm just, I don't want that three to get too much deeper than the seven. No, no, I only, I only, I just quote you for one inch anyway. I, I, I don't, I wouldn't want that three. I wouldn't want that three to get, I, I, instead of us creating a, a faux shadow, we're going to create, uh, you know, a natural shadow. We can achieve that with only one inch, uh, standing proud on that three. Um, so we're, we're appreciating the shadow right now. Um, and this goes back to the previous questions that I was having about light. Um, this is a really cool sign. We don't really see these out here. They're more of like a big city design. Um, it, it seems like you're selling your sign short, but not having any kind of lighting, not inside, but even low voltage landscape lighting can be done without major trenching. Uh, I couldn't do it myself. Um, and to have some kind of light highlighting the seven and three, where you can actually see the shadow reveal even for a split second at night, just makes the sign look cooler at all hours of the day. What are you talking like a little solar application? Is there any existing landscape lighting around the development? There isn't. Um, could we, uh, it would be our preference to ultimately light it. We didn't have power, so we didn't pursue it. Um, to pursue power at this time. That wouldn't be in our budget for, um, but, but to have the rights to add lighting in the future would be nice to have that. Cause that would be something we would like to have. Sure. Yeah. And again, I'm not, I'm not saying to hardwire this to the electrical grid. Um, like this could be a low voltage application, just like a standard landscape light. It could be done at any time, but it seems like by saying that you will not be lighting it at all. It's kind of selling, selling the sign short. And, and we had, we had power out there. We, we might've contemplated that. Um, we didn't have power, so we didn't think about it. Um, as time went on, um, it did get, as we made it nicer and ultimately had to, to treat the entire complex. It did get more expensive. So I, I am, um, we are substantially over budget, uh, for this project, but ultimately, uh, over time, that would be something we would like to do because that would be a nice aesthetic to light it. Um, uh, uh, it would be something that we would want. Um, we wouldn't, we wouldn't, um, cause I, we know where our power source is and it's quite, quite a ways away. Um, and it would be pretty invasive to, to get that. I'd have to, uh, we just redid our parking lot. So I'd have to tear out my parking lot. So it's not something we really want to do this time, but it's something that ultimately we can appreciate. We would like to have the right to do if, if we could get that approval. Um, it'd be, it'd be something realistically through three or four years down the road in, in a future budget. Right. Just for a simple up light. Yeah. It's just, it, it's, you know, bring, bringing the one wire is the same cost as bringing 10 wires. It's, it's, it's where, um, the closest power source is, it 's a, oh gosh, it's a 150 yards away. The one we could use. It's, uh, on the other side of a building around the corner . But, um, you know, aesthetically though, it's, it's not going to look bad without the light. You're just not going to see it when it gets dark. That's all. We, we would like to see it. Yeah. Ultimately. Um, that, it would be a desire. It, it would be something we would want. Yeah. And ultimately we think that as we do a future things, um, that's something that we could put into future budgets. Um, not in the immediate future, but, uh, in the next three to four years. Um, uh, uh, is it something, it's something we would, we'd like, we see the benefit in it. Yeah. You know, I'm, I'm thinking about what, um, what Jim said about the, the dimensions. And I kind of tend to agree if, if each one is standing two inches from the, like if the three is set two inches proud of the seven and seven is two inches proud of the, of the, of the base. Which seems a little heavy for something this size. Um, I think it would maybe look better if it was just one inch offsets between them. So, so the three would be two inches proud of the gray base . One inch on each side. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just throwing that out. I don't know what the rest of you guys think, but. Well, I agree. I might look a little heavy otherwise. Yeah. And the, the sign designer who I put my faith in had that concern as well. Right, Jim? Yeah. Yeah. The designer did accomplish what we think he accomplished, what we told him to do. We wanted something cool. Yeah. And that's a divine term. Oh, you nailed it. It was something that we thought was architectural and notable, um, respectful, but something that was, was, people would, it was of interest. Yeah. And so we, every, uh, everyone on my side, which is 14 people, they all like it. That never happens. Yeah. It ties in with the red curb in the yellow fire hydrant. I mean, look at all that. Jim thought it all out. Okay, good. Um, you know, I want to mention, I also, I liked your description cause I, about this, the way this signage is likely going to work because there, there are all these options for tenant signage. Um, and I was looking at the site plan and I saw the blue buildings and then I saw the, the tan buildings. And I thought, yeah, those, those tan buildings in the back , I don't see them investing in an expensive lit sign. Um, and, and there, I was trying to imagine, and I guess I have a question. Is anybody going to come here to the blue buildings to shop ? Because, you know, normally where we land is on, on, on retail buildings. We like to see a lot of individuality in, in the tenants and, and in the signage. And if it's an office park, we like to see it be a little more cohesive and consistent with the signage. And I'm not sure where an industrial use lands, but I think that front building definitely looks like a retail building. And, and I think for it to read like a retail building would be just fine. Mm-hmm. With some variation, you mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I, I, I like that. Um, the, the fact that they can have some interesting lit signs. Um, and, but then I'm wondering, you know, and, and that's, that's my position, but is, is, is, is anyone going to come shop here? Or is this more of like drive by and oh, that looks nice. It's, I think it's the, the type of tenants, they're basically going to be daytime. I think you have like carpet and flooring on one of the tenants. Um, you know, so I, uh, I, my gym is not in your, in your tenancy. Right. But something like that could be where, you know, my, my gym is a, you know, gymnastics place for, for kids. And I call that retail. Okay. Yeah. And, and to add our industrial, it is obviously focused a lot more on industrial and what you would expect there. do have some components of, um, whether it's gyms, there's also in, um, very minimal, but allowance even for restaurants. So there is a bit of, but it obviously much less than. I would say from a real estate standpoint, like a usability standpoint of a desirability of people that would want us, I would say that that would have more of a hint of retail desirability than as, as I get further in the back. Yeah. Um, I, I, I, I, like it's where an industrial meets retail. Yeah. Um, yeah, like, like, like, like, like the, like the flo oring would be flooring, flooring is, you could, you could say flooring is retail and say, it 's not like going to the grocery store, but it's, it's, you're, you're going in to buy tile or carpet with retail prices. It's not, it's not a wholesale house. Okay. Yeah. Very good. Engaging the public. Right. Very good. Do you have any cannabis going on in there? No, I, I haven't done that in a long time. Okay. Cause I know there, there was some bad, a really long time. What do you mean by that? I mean, like done their signage or? Well, yeah, well you wonder, you know, just keep tabs on what's going on. There's currently, I mean, you're, you're the, you're the management. There's driving around. I didn't see any cannabis there. Uh, well, we, we, we will. It's legal now. It's not a problem. We were, we've, we were the ones that fell victim to that explosion. Right. All right. Um, I was in Palm desert at 10 30 at night and got a phone call when it, that it had just blown. Um, that's where that building is. The one that really went boom. Yeah. Boom. Um, so, um, uh, we, um, it wasn't our building, but, uh, that we don't, um, it was right there in that block. We were against that type of use going forward. Um, with chemicals and the volatility of it all. Yeah. It was kind of a flash. I think it's simmered down. Yeah. Okay. Good. Well, uh, back to the sign. Um, any other questions for the applicant? Okay. No matter. Then we'll close the public hearing portion and hear any comments from commissioners and see if we can, um, create a motion. Commissioner Blakely. No, no. Um, Gregory. Well, you got two first names for God's sake. I know I'm like seeing double vision. Um, um, I'm like seeing double vision. Um, I'm like seeing double vision. Um, I'm like seeing double vision. Um, I'm like seeing double vision. I feel like there, um, I, I would have thought this was kind of ready to push forward wanting to see, you know, or make that condition of the numbers not being co planer. But, um, uh, I don't know. And the understanding that the, the plan view and the end views actually weren't drawn correctly and that maybe the dimensions were off. Um, I'm not sure how the group want to proceed with that. That's, that's all I wanted to say. Okay. Commissioner Lackovic. Uh, no questions. No. Commissioner Sanchez. Uh, my comment would be on, uh, the lettering, um, that I would move forward with, uh, red seven being a foot four inches as stated. And then the three being one foot six inches, which gives it one inch kind of lever on both ends. I think, I think the intent was, uh, to make the red one foot two inches and the orange one foot four inches. So in each case you have an inch offset. Is that, did I interpret that right? Well, here's my position. I don't think we should specifically design best signs deal . I think we just recognize that the artistic trickery presented is very successful and that we need some break, whether it's one inch or two inch. I'd be happy with either one. Would you agree? Yeah. And that can be placed as a condition for staff to. Correct. Correct. Keep it simple so they can move forward. So we don't continue and look at it again and, uh, allow this committee to approve it. Yeah. Although I personally, I think two and two would be too much. Two and B. Yeah, I agree. It gets a little bulky and I think, I think, uh, the applicant agrees. Yeah. Um, um, I, I, uh, I, I don't know. We, I think, I think we're ready to approve this with just some, some language with the approval. Good. Can you compose that? Sure. Commissioner Voods? Uh, I'd, I'd like to make a motion to approve, um, with the conditions that the, um, that the seven and the three are actually, um, proud of the gray base that they're on. Um, presumably the, the seven would be, um, one inch proud of the gray base and then the three would be an inch proud of the seven, um, on both sides. Um, um, left to the discretion of the applicant if he wants to go any more than that. Uh, and that these letters are, are solid, uh, on all sides . Okay. What about the balance of the sign program? Do you want to put any? I, I think it looks great. Yeah. I'm, I think this is all really, really nice. Okay. So that's the motion. Do we have a second? Second. Oh, just a clarification of the motion. Um, the drawings don't reflect, the existing drawings don't reflect what you're talking about. Should we request that they, drawings match the motion? If you look at page, what is it? Two. We will do that anyway. Oh, I just want to make sure we put it in the motion though . Okay. Yeah. But, but we're not calling it back here. No, no. Yeah. We just put it in the motion. So that, to be reviewed by staff. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I second. Good. Thank you. I second the motion. Okay. Moved and seconded. Could we have a roll call? Commissioner Vucic. Aye. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. Commissioner Latkovich. Aye. Commissioner Latkovich. Aye. Commissioner Latkovich. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Vice Chair Blakely. Aye. Chair McIntosh. Aye. Motion carries. Six zero. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. You all very thorough. That's what we did. Thank you for your time. You're all very thorough. Yeah. That's what we do. Well, you guys made it easy. You were right there. Negotiating it. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. You're all very thorough. Thank you for your time. It's good working with staff. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That completes our agenda for projects. Going on to item six, informational reports. Cultural Arts Committee. We have nothing at the moment. We need in two weeks, I think. Okay, great. No other committees? No. City staff? So I'll start with ARC subcommittee. We do have, we're making a request to get to commissioners. We need a subcommittee for desert surf. So they are coming forward with their residential project or product, the homes around the basin. And so we need two commissioners to go over their final design. We're still working on it. Don't have a time at all, unfortunately. But we make it work around whoever volunteers for it. We make it work around your schedule to go through what they're, what they're presenting for their floor plans. So we need two commissioners volunteering. We just want to have it on hand so that we can set that up. Well, I haven't volunteered in a while, so I'll do it. All right. So we have one. Do we have a second person? I'll take it. All right. So my -- So are the designs similar to what we previously reviewed? We -- we did. They've gone through -- they've -- what I'll say is they've proposed a few changes and we're trying to get them more towards the original approval. So not significant enough to come back here. So we're trying to -- we're trying to -- the ARC sub committee will be used if it's not a significant change. If it is a significant change and it comes in front of all of you. Okay. That's what I'll say. And -- but we want to have -- we've given them both options . You have two paths. You can -- you can redesign and come here or you can make it close to original and go through subcommittee to come -- so that you all get eyes on it and confirm that that's -- that it is similar to original. With some tweaks if -- as need be. But yeah. We'll -- we'll set it up if it's needed or as it's needed. But don't have a date yet. Okay. Great. Good. And then next item on city staff. So a couple things I wanted to point out. Last Thursday, myself and Rosie, our director, we took for the presentation to city council if you're all interested with going through all of the projects going on within our department. So we went through -- and that's not just in planning but everything from, you know, implementation of fire into our system, in-house business license program, stuff going on with our downtown, housing, homelessness. So really all the different projects we're working on. And just wanted to highlight that if any of you are interested. So we are -- and, you know, more of note to this commission , we are still working on our unified development code, which is our big overhaul. Most of you, probably almost a year ago now, met with our consultant to go through our municipal code. We're going through a complete overhaul of that. We just finished our hillside objective design standards. And we are actually going through a views analysis in our city. So we've hired the same team that did our objective design standards, John Kalisky Architects. We kept on hearing, whether it's through this commission or planning commission or city council or the public, about views, right? And you all have heard it probably a million times of, you know, protection of views and the views that are important to us. So we want -- so we embark -- we're embarking on what we're calling a views analysis, which is looking at what views are important, what tools do we have in place to protect views from the public. So we're going through that right now. And at the end of it would be a set of recommendations, whether it's municipal code recommendations or document or something like that to establish it -- to establish how we can and what views we want to protect. So we have that. So we have that. So we also had, I believe, at the last ARC meeting, there was a request or comment on enforcement procedures for landscape maintenance, as well as improvements along San Pablo landscaping. So we do have an update on that. Generally speaking, for landscape maintenance violations, when -- however it comes, it goes to our code compliance team. So there's a few tools for that. Rock Solid is an app I always plug, and you're able to do it from our website. If not, you know, reaching out via email or phone call to our code team. Once we receive a complaint, a code officer inspects a property, opens a case, the violations are confirmed. First step is typically a notice of violation with about three to 10 days allowed for correction depending on severity. If unresolved, they go through order to abate, a public nu isance, providing them an additional 10 days. And if they continue to not be compliant, then they go through administrative citations. With landscaping maintenance, there's two big parts that take a lot of staff review or confirmation. The first one is who's responsible for it, especially along medians or perimeters. We need to confirm that it is -- who's responsible for maintaining that area. There's some areas where, you know, when the development came in, the city agreed to maintain it. Certain areas where an HOA was established to maintain it. Most of the time, they just send it to the owner and take it from there. And then the other part is whether or not we have a final approved landscape plan for that area, especially some of our older ones. It wasn't as formal of getting what we have now of here's a landscape plan and here's the plant palette and everything that you're supposed to be doing. So sometimes when we go through the enforcement, they say, okay, well, what can I install if I want to change it? And we're doing some digging to find what they have approved or what they have to change. So that's generally our landscape maintenance enforcement process. For San Pablo, so there's a project going on right now in San Pablo from Highway 111 to Magnificent Falls. So these contracted a landscape team. It's working on efficiency, water conservation, improved aesthetics. So they are removing excessive and inefficient irrigation emitters. They're replacing them. They're eliminating irrigation and bare ground areas to reduce water waste and weed growth. They're doing installation of new plant materials, so more site appropriate plant materials. And they are adding some ground cover to reduce erosion and improve the appearance and doing some soil grading and inf ill to stabilize landscape areas. It first started in some of the lower traffic areas, but they made a lot of progress, but it's still not done yet. So the new plantings are in the early stages and will take one to two growing seasons to fully establish. And they are working, you know, within the budget of this fiscal year as well as possible the next fiscal year to get that. That's all I got. A question on San Pablo. We've promoted some lights out in the trees and others. So, yes, so for lighting also, give me a second. I believe, give me a second. So for lighting. Yeah, they're also in the process of replacing the lighting ballers on the corridor as well. But that might be a little longer of a time period. And not immediately. So, I have a question that we brought up. When you did San Paolo. Microphone, microphone. So when you did San Paolo and you had this beautiful landscaping concept, and now you're changing the landsca ping concept, what happened with the original versus the new one coming up? Why did you, why wasn't the first one, what worked? Yeah, okay, so you're looking for the why it changed. And I mean, I know part of, it seems like part of it was based off of, there's an excessive amount of maybe irrigation installed in some of these areas. I don't, yeah. Okay, that was the question. Basically, how come it wasn't done right the first time? Yeah, okay. Well, how many years has it been? It hasn't been that long. San Paolo has probably been about seven years, seven, eight years. Yeah. Maybe. From the original design, I don't know, probably longer than that. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. Well, thank you for responding to that. And I guess I was the one who brought that up at the last meeting about sort of enforcement. And I don't have a particular axe to grind with any specific property. I brought up an example of the Arco gas station, mainly because it's prominent intersection. And it seems like it's in terrible repair. And that's been there a long time. So I don't know if you were able to open up the planning file on that and go back 30 years or when it was originally approved. And if there was some sort of conditions of approval for the landscape, all I know is I can speak for the other gas station at Deep Canyon, which I did design 25 years ago. And that one, I remember having to do a ton of landscape and trees and I drive by that and that is definitely all gone. So I'm just wondering that one you should have a file on and be able to enforce that one because I was really aware of what was required. Yeah. And we can we can look at those. The thing about the removals is that the big thing that changed, which you're all aware about, right, is the drought tolerant landscaping and people's allowance to remove a lot of the landscaping. I don't know the particulars of that one. And in terms of what we can enforce to make them bring bring back. Right. But there's a tree requirement, right? I mean, it's not okay just to let all your trees dry. Right. Yeah. And there. Yeah, there is there is certain requirements on or not just requirements, sorry, or being able to look at the original approvals on the plant ballot. So we can see some of that, especially in parking lots. We have a lot more teeth when it comes to that. Right. But generally, that's what we're trying to do. Yeah, it just seems like this commission spends a lot of time, a lot of tedious time looking at things like that. And then it just kind of goes away. So that was the reason I brought it up. Any other comments? Nope. Yes. Oh, go ahead. You have before you a printout of the recently adopted code of conduct that is for elected and appointed officials. So it does apply to this commission. At a high level, it just focuses on four things, professional conduct, meeting behavior, communications, and public interactions. Overall, it's just intended to keep transparency, consistency, and help with maintaining the public trust. So if you have any questions, the clerk's office is always at your disposal. You're welcome to reach out to me or any of the other team members. And that's it. Great. Got to have those guidelines stay in line. Assuming that all falls under the Brown Act. It encourages you to observe the Brown Act in every way possible. Whenever we can. Okay. With all of that, I would like to propose the meeting is adjourned at 2:02 PM. Well done.

I'd like to call this meeting to order. Roll call, please. Good morning. Committee member Marcuse? Here. Committee member McCune? Here. Committee member McLeod? Committee member Mortensen? Here. Committee member Tolzman? Here. Vice chair Houskin? Here. And chair Vassali? Here. We have a quorum. Okay. I'd like to make a, would somebody make a motion for the consent calendar? Make a motion for the consent calendar. Approved? Do we need to roll call? Oh. Oh. Oh. Can we have a roll call? Yes. Committee member Marcuse? Yes. Committee member McCune? Yes. Committee member McLeod? Committee member Mortensen? Here. Committee member Tolzman? Yes. Vice chair Houskin? Yes. And chair Vassali? Yes. Motion passes. Motion passes. There's no business items? So. Yes. There's no business items in this agenda. Can we move on to public hearings? I still think there's people. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. but first do we have a staff report oh good morning members of the committee my name is bobby keating associate planner in the planning division of the development services department i'm here to present a request for a certificate of appropriateness to repaint building exteriors within the sandpiper circles 5 through 10 historic district the applicant sandpiper owners association for circles 5 through 10 has submitted a request for a certificate of appropriateness to repaint all building ex teriors within the historic district the committee's role today is to determine whether the proposed work meets the required findings under the municipal code the project site is located within the sandpiper condomin ium complex south of el paseo and west of highway 74. the sandpiper circles 5 through 10 historic district is one of five designated historic historic districts within the broader sandpiper community the sandpiper circles 5 through 10 historic district was designated by the city council in 2017. the development was designed by the architectural firm palmer and chrysall and is recognized as a strong example of mid-century modern residential design in palm desert the district is particularly notable for its site planning including its greenbelt oriented layout and emphasis on indoor outdoor living the proposed project consists of repainting all building ex building all exterior building services within the district this includes walls gates and shared architectural features along with minor service preparation and repair no changes to building form materials or architectural features are proposed the applicant is proposing a single unified color shown on the right which i also have a physical sample of here for you as well and this is a custom color that is intended to replicate the finish that was recently implemented on the sandpiper circle for historic district the committee's review is guided by section 29.60.090 of the palm desert municipal code as well as the secretary of the interior standards for rehabilitation the key issue before the committee is whether the proposed paint color is appropriate within the architectural and historic context of the district exterior color contributes to the architectural expression particularly in mid-century modern developments where colors help emphasize form materiality and shadow while the applicant provided information regarding potential original colors that information does not establish a definitive original color accordingly the analysis focuses on whether the proposed color is compatible with the district rather than whether it represents an exact historic match Staff finds the project consistent with the applicable standards for the following reasons: The proposed color does not obscure or alter character-def ining architectural features and maintains a neutral palette that supports mid-century modern design principles. The color is also compatible with the District and surrounding Kreisel design developments, helping maintain visual cohesion and reinforcing the architectural character of the area. Based on these considerations, staff finds the project consistent with the Municipal Code and the Secretary of the Interior standards. Public notice was provided in accordance with the Municipal Code. Written comments were received and are included in the project record. The comments primarily relate to color preference and the internal decision-making process of the Homeowners Association. While these comments provide context, the Committee's review is focused on whether the proposed color is appropriate under the applicable preservation standards of the Code. The project is categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act pursuant to Section 15301 as it involves the maintenance of existing structures with no expansion of use. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards of the Code. The Committee's review is focused on the proposed design standards standards standards standards that the project is consistent with section 29.60.090 of the Palm Desert Municipal Code and the Secretary of the Interior Standards, and lastly, find the project exempt from CEQA. And this concludes staff's presentation and I am available for your questions. Any questions? Yeah, I have one. When Circle Four already did the color, did they go through this committee? Excuse me. They did not. To my knowledge, they did not apply for a certificate of appropriateness. And at this point, staff has not been directed to process an after the fact approval, but a certificate of appropriateness is required for the repain ting of a historic district. So that doesn't send it off a red flag? I mean, that's cool? Well, I have a question. Wasn't it painted prior to their designation? That I don't know. I think so. Okay. So it was already that color. Mm-hmm. When? It was subsequent. Yes. Yeah. They were just a, what, a year ago, I think. Mm-hmm. Added to the group. Okay. And the second thing is, these paints, did they include a fade factor? I'm a factor. Fade. The desert, everything fades. Right. So what you're saying is, the paint has not, does not have a designated fade factor. Right. So it'll change color after five years on the south side. So that was not provided as part of the application, but we do have the applicant in attendance who could respond to those details. Because I mean, those are, because I've painted my house, the thing that in paint, I've watched it change color. Sure. So I'm happy to respond to that. Yeah. So I'm the chair of the paint committee. Oh. And so. So if we can go over staff questions first, and then we'll give you an opportunity. Yeah. Thank you. So then I also have clarifications. So they did not do, they did not do a bore analysis to pull the first coat of paint to see what color it is. They do not know what the original color is because they did not do a sample, take a sample off the building. So as part of the application, the applicant did provide information indicating what they believe to be the original color. It wasn't, that wasn't definitive information. Typically that would require the analysis of some sort of forensic paint specialist, which to my knowledge has not been completed. And then, and then I didn't see what research they had done to, to go through the, the Chrysle archives to find the original color. My, so it doesn't look like they did because Baldwin Hills was done right before this. I don't, I don't see any reference to them checking with Baldwin Hills to see what color that was. And I don't see any reference to them doing research in the Chrysle archives. So my understanding is this is just their estimate of a color. It's no, it's not, it's not the color and they don't, and they are not trying to find the color. They are trying to find an estimate of the color. So the applicant can respond to the decision-making process and analysis that they went through in order to come up with the color they proposed to the city. But that information was not included as part of the application. Again, they provided information on what they felt was the original color. They provided images. They had removed previous layers of paint to indicate colors that were previously applied. It wasn't confirmed if that was the, you know, what was peeled back was in fact an original color or just a previous application. But this review really focused on if the proposed color is compatible with both the district and the architectural style. Okay. I just wanted to be clear that with the two differences. Thank you. Before we open it up to public comment, can I have a motion to approve? We have a resource in our audience today. We have a motion. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Try the one next. Yeah, one. Is it working? Hello. Is it red? Oh. Oh. Does mine work? Yours work. Hello. Oh. So my suggestion was that we have in our audience today, Luke Lushner, and he has some examples, methods that you can use to obtain paint samples that I think we should listen to before we make a decision. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So are there any more commissioner comments or committee member comments or questions for staff? Then we can move on to the public comment if that's okay with you, Chair. Okay. The comment is okay. And then we can have the applicant. Up here? Yeah, I guess this one. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I want to respond to those, a couple of those comments and questions. So with regards to finding the precise color, you know, I think one, it's possible one might find a few different colors on a few different structures. And, you know, the focus here in the title of the application is appropriateness, and it is not to find the exact match. And I think that standard has been applied, you know, throughout the valley and all of these circumstances. That was not part of the application for us to find the precise color. But having, but to address that, because I think it's important, we want to come to as close as we possibly can to the color that would have been original and or that would have been appropriate. And you saw in that first example there, can you pull that back up that you showed in the first image of the entire presentation? Going back one more right there. That is a historic photo by Julius Schulman, whose book, whose recent publication came out in 2025. And that is unit 507, I believe. And it's from circle number five. And you can see that that is a much lighter color than what is currently on the structures. And so that, you know, we, from that, one of the residents, the former president of the HOA, Steve Shaw, whose comments you have, was submitted as well for the record and received yesterday. He, as part of this submission, and not all of those elements founded into the city's submission, which I understand. But as part of that, of the initial submission, you will see that he has, he had taken pictures and provided images of where the existing paint had peeled back and revealed a color exactly like this. And so we sent several images that showed underneath the paint that is much darker currently this particular color or very close to this color. And so that was part of the initial submission. I think that's important to point out. And so we tried to align with that. And in addition, you know, circles three and four have recently, more recently received status. In fact, the person who did the paint choice and recommendation and was finally chosen for circle three. Again, it's a very close to circle four. They, most people will find them indistinguishable if you 're walking, walking by them. And those colors, circles three and four, again, are very close to this color. And the person in circle three, Jim Schnapp, you might know his name from, he's an expert in Kreisel. He's published a book on Kreisel, a coffee book or what have you. And he's very close with William Kreisel, the architect's son, William Kreisel Jr. William Kreisel Jr. at the meeting on January 9th, and that was also part of the record, made the following comment. After the presentation was done and after we presented the proposed color. And there was much discussion and he spoke up. I didn't know he would be there. He said, the one color that my father would not approve is the current color. The one color that my father would not approve is the existing color. And Sharon is over here. She's on the board as well. She's on the architectural committee. And she indicated also at a subsequent meeting and can confirm everything I'm saying, but also pointed out that she had William Kreisel in her home and his wife. And they much preferred the lighter tones that she had placed in there. And this is backed up with the voting pattern of our HOA. We sent it before the entire HOA to do an advisory poll. We were not required to do that, but we did that nonetheless. And again, the response, there were a darker color and a lighter color. The result was that 26 voted for the lighter tone, which is , again, very close to this color. It's the color that you've all seen. It's the one here. 26 voted for that. 10 voted for the darker color. So there's a clear preference. And I know that's not necessarily indicative of appropri ateness, but it shows the intent, the will of the residents there, as well as the other comments that I've made about, you know, what's the historical record? If you're to look, and again, as part of our research, we looked extensively at William Kreisel's developments throughout the Coachella Valley and beyond. Fortunately, we have, you know, an internet now that may not have been available when the previous color was put on here, which is much darker. So we can look back at and find examples. If you search up images of William Kreisel, they are predominantly of this lighter tone that we have gone for. And we have written record that he prefers these lighter, creamier tones, these off-whites. And that's what you'll find, whether it's in the realm of 85% of all developments, of all, and many of these have been recently approved. There's a, I think it's called the Morris House in Palm Springs, which has an extremely light color, many shades lighter than this. We're going lighter, but we didn't, we had many options that we reviewed, many of which were much lighter. And we thought, well, you know, what, what would satisfy a sufficient number of people? What is faithful to the color that exists in these images? And there are many more. That's just one good example. Shulman is the most represented in the, in that facility that was mentioned. I forget the name of it now. It's alluding me, but that has all of the historical records. There he's, he's a famous and noted photographer and this is his image. And there are many others that reflect this. Yes, there are other, you know, there are some others, but the majority are in this direction. And so again, to bring it back to the, the, the, the application here, this is, this is a certificate of appropriateness. Is this color that we've proposed appropriate? Does it reflect what you see there? Does it reflect the paint that one sees underneath? You know, I think the answer is clear that the, that it is yes. Now, can you find maybe a different color somewhere, somewhere else? You know, Ocotillo Lodge, for example, has some different tones, but it's in the minority. The majority, again, are much lighter tones, exactly as we presented. We've put in hundreds of hours into this effort collectively as a board meeting and having bids done. Is this is to get stalled at this stage? All of that will go for naught. I met with the painter today and he's, you know, this morning before the meeting. Is this going to move forward? You know, I, I'm hopeful, but it really now rests in your hands and it'll cost thousands of dollars more to rebid this. This bidding process took place in November. And so there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a expiration on these and he's got people lined up to do it. If our, if the requirement is that it is a precise match, well, then we'll have to do a, a core sampling and damage, you know, many of these different circles, I would assume. Again, it comes back to, is this appropriate? Is it, is this seen broadly in the work of Kreisel? I think that there's no question that this is appropriate. I think there's no question that this and lighter tones are seen broadly. And when you have an authority such as the son who lived in his structures say that the one that exists currently is not, is one that my father would not approve of. I think we have to take that seriously. Are there any questions that others have or that I haven't perhaps touched on from earlier ones? Go ahead. Was it Mr. Friesen? Yes. Did I pronounce that correctly? I'm just curious if Bobby could, could. So we're looking at the one photo you mentioned. Yeah. And that does look very light to me. Could you go down to the fifth page, I think, has the, the comparison of the two colors. Oh, by the way, right there, you see circle four. Can you just show, we'll get to that. Circle four, a butt, circle, and five. And so one of the elements too is the consistency of it. And, you know, it is true that the comment that circle four was approved in 2025 recently without this, but without going through this process. But they certainly did their research, as did circle three. And again, we have an expert in circle three who chose a color very similar. I'm sorry to interrupt, but let's go there. But so my question is, and actually I think we clarified that circle four was designated after they'd already done the repainting. That's correct. Just so you know. Okay. So they didn't, you know, go through through the process. Yeah, exactly. Because they had already painted. But they did do research and they did explore all of these things. Seemingly. So my question is, these colors, to me, they look very similar. I agree. The big screen, they're darker, but these seem very much darker than the prior photos. Is it just because they're in the shade? That's a great question. And, you know, one of the people who's in the HOA brought that up to me and said, hey, you did not submit this to us. And the reason I did is because it seemed to me slightly misleading in terms of the proposed. And I didn't want to suggest. Now, we had to provide an existing. And so this comes from Dunn Edwards. Dunn Edwards provided the paint for the Circle 3 and for Circle 4. And so we said, hey, can you do some renderings for our people to provide them examples that they can look at? And they came back with, you know, they came back with existing. And I said, okay, well, that's pretty accurate. Then they came back with Circle 4 and they came back with Circle 3. And I agree with you. They looked, you know, almost indistinguishable. And so I think this is a professional company and it's slightly misleading. So I don't want to send this out to my people and say, you know, because they'll determine as we did. I mean, you can see a minute difference. And it's interesting. You know, if you hold this up to what we have currently, it does look almost the same. But this doesn't. Now, you know, in this particular rendering, what you have here, that does not capture that. And that is not what shows in, you know, on the right side there. That is not what shows. I don't know what you use to make this copy. But what we sent out to people, what we provided, what we showed them in person was this copy here. And so, you know, I think that's a fair point. And I just want to say that we didn't send this out to people. No one, you are the only people who've seen this. No one else saw this. But and the question is, though, they seem even the proposed color seems much darker than the elevation, the photo where it's in full sun. So do you feel like you're going light enough? I dare say that. You know, I was wondering, it just seems these seem darker than the slide three prior. Just I'm just curious. Yeah. Well, again, you know, if you take this out there and put this up, this does look quite dark. This does look close to what we have. But when you take it out there and, you know, I think his hand went up a moment ago because it when you're there, it actually looks a lot lighter when you have it on the wall. And that's what, again, another reason we said, hey, you can see everyone in our circles can walk over to circle four and they can see what is a very clear difference between circle four, which appears much lighter and circles five and six, the rest of our HOA. So, you know, it's one of those things that's really tricky with paint samples. We're aware of that. And so, hey, we have circle four, which has been approved. We have circle three and four, which are very close. We have circle three, an expert there who's chosen this color. And then we have, you know, a great physical sample in which people can walk up and look at those things and see how, you know, what that ultimately will look like. Two more quick questions. I have to interrupt. I did really quickly just want to say. Do you like a three-minute time limit on comments? If you guys, yeah. I just wanted to remind the committee and the members of the public that public comments does have a three-minute limit. And we are going past that. So if we can- This is my question for him, actually. Okay. If that's okay. Well, it's kind of a two-part. I did drive the property, so I'm familiar with what you're talking about. Did you consider doing any paint samples, like in a large piece on a wall? That's one. And number two is you mentioned that you've been doing the bidding process back in November. I'm just curious why this is coming to us now. I feel like we're getting- It's a long process. We had to get it approved with the, you know, there has to be what's called a, there's a 60-day window, or 90-day, in fact, where we have to send mail-out ballots to all of the residents. And they have to approve the painting project. And there are multiple steps that have to go in place. And so all of this, again, takes much longer. We were, this whole process has actually gone quite quickly . Okay. What was your first question? And just did you consider painting the building a safe color? We thought that having them on the structure where you could see the light from various angles was better than that. Whereas smaller samples, even on a wall, on a board, I've been fooled. I've been through this process in the past, too. So I thought the best thing that we could do is have it on a large structure and an existing one. One's with our historic, one where we provide consistency within the context of the Sandpiper District. And Steve Shaw, who was our former president, meeting with the other presidents, indicated that from his estimation, most everyone who was considering a repaint of the Sandp iper was going to move to these lighter tones that had been done in three and four. So your answer is we looked at Circle Four, and that's what we based it on, right? Okay. Not just that, but that aligned with what the photo showed and what was underneath the existing. Thank you so much. Thank you. Do you have a question? Wait, wait, wait. Maybe commissioners? Do we have, or is there a process? He has his process. He's done. Oh, no, but do we have, okay. Do any of the other commissioners have any questions? When you say, I have a comment. I have a comment. Before the public. Comment or a question. Comment. Okay. I agree that the current colors on the property are too dark and they're not original. But my comment is if there possibly were two different colors or three to recreate that in the, because it's a huge amount of properties. And by breaking it up, if it was broke up color-wise originally, would be very effective. We don't know if it was. My mother's at a rest home, so I have to keep my phone on. Thank you. So at this time where we're at, right, is that it is a public hearing. So you, are there any other questions for staff at this point? If there are none, you heard from the applicant. And so members of the public are able to speak. And so each, as Damien mentioned, each member of the public is a lot of three minutes. Your role as a committee, right, is to receive those, to receive that comment, to receive those comments. If in turn it creates questions, additional questions, either for staff or maybe for applicant, we can. Yeah. And so, but for now at this point, right, those who wish to speak are able to speak and be given their three minutes. I just want to make sure that it's not necessarily a conversation between committee and public members. I believe he was the first one to raise his hand. Excuse me. Okay. Thank you for the opportunity. For those, for those who are speaking, a couple points of order. If you could sit in the chair, there's a microphone there. If you could please turn it on and speak into the microphone. And before you start, if you could please give your name and address for the record clearly. And then we'll take it from there. Thank you. My name is Carol Walks-Smooth. I've been an owner in Sandpiper Circle Six for over 25 years. Thank you for the opportunity to address the historic preservation committee prior to your decision on this application. I believe that my board here can answer a lot of questions. I've brought it for you to see. I'm not sure if I can get this here for you. For my three minutes, I'd like to provide and clarify some of the background of what you've been told. Through this entire process, our board and paint committee, John Friesen, have been very unresponsive to allowing homeowners. They represent input on this monumental decision. There are 96 homeowners who are funding this project, and the board chose not to consider all options. This is, many residents feel color changes is not needed. It has been present since we were given historical designation in 2017. What we currently have blends in with the geography surrounding us as was the intent of William Kreisel over 65 years ago. The board is determined to change our aesthetic with a color that has never been part of our HOA. During board meeting open sessions over the past several months, homeowners had been promised input on the color choice, a forum to see and discuss color options, and finally a vote on the color for the painting. My written offer to create paint boards such as this, to put in circle ramadas with past, present, and possible new colors for homeowners to see, was never acknowledged by the paint committee chair. Once the board received a majority vote approving the monetary assessment for the project in early March, we were given six days to respond to a poll with only the two new colors presented. Again, there was no opportunity for homeowners with differ ing opinions to have input. Only 36 residents responded to the poll, of which 26 voted for the board's color choice. A moot point, they had already filed the request for the CO A in February before the poll took place. Something not shared with us at our AGM in March. Points I wish to challenge to the submission. The claim of due diligence in color research did not include a forensic analysis of existing layers of paint to take into consideration what colors were originally used , or possibly if the older layers contain lead, which California standards require special handling. The board claims other sandpiper HOAs are considering changing to lighter paint colors, but it should be noted they neglected to include the fact that sandpiper circle one recently changed from a white color to our current sand color, and circle two repainted in a color in the tones of one of our original historic colors. I found one of our historic colors had been put in the Dunn -Edwards new Chrysal collection. I also found our historic color in that, and Dunn-Edwards supplied renderings of it, which I posted in our community forum and sent to the board . I just did want to mention that we are now at the three- minute mark as well. Can I put my conclusion? In closing, I feel the board's treating our historical designation as an obstacle to their desire for a color change instead of the responsibility that the stewardship of a historically significant property entails. They have followed an autocratic path in regards to this process without democratic consensus. Please don't let the choice of seven board members change what has been our sandpiper exterior color for over 20 years, or from the possibility of using a proven historic color, totally disregarding what William Chrysal had in his original vision for an oasis in the desert. I hope you consider these points as cause to question and refuse this application. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. color is appropriate and feel that it will provide benefits . What any one person or group of people feel or believe is irrelevant. A paint striation test is the only way to scientifically and objectively determine the authentic paint colors. I've studied Chrysler's architecture, and when seeking authenticity, it doesn't matter what I think, believe, or prefer. Only what Chrysler authentically chose. ARG, a preservation firm, conducted paint striation tests for Chrysler's Ocotillo Lodge, and the result was the restoration of the original paint colors. The applicant suggests that looking at peeling paint is conclusive, but it's not. That could just be the result of oil and water-based formulas not bonding. The HOA has taken a negligent approach to stewardship and shown willful disregard for you and for established city processes. When my husband, a former landmarks commissioner in the city of Santa Monica and the project architect for the Sunnylands Visitor Center, offered to conduct an educational workshop on the COA process, the HOA declined to educate themselves. Now, city staff has received overwhelming support of the denial of this application from local preservationists and experts, and claims of hardship should not be an excuse for bad stewardship. I have an estimate right here from HRG for a striation test that costs $2,000 per circle or $125 per unit. People buy in the Palm Springs area for an authentic mid- century modern design, so stewardship is not just good preservation practice, it's actually good investment practice. And so I strongly urge the Commission to deny the application before you and request the applicant resubmit after scientific research. This is an opportunity to enhance Sandpiper's authenticity, and that should not be squandered. Thank you. Any other? One additional hand. Yes, if we could please. Yes, yes, you can bring it to her. Do we have anyone else who is going to want to speak? All right, could you just maybe go ahead of time? And you as well? I'll take a couple others. Okay. All right. Yeah. He made reference to me earlier. Sorry, if you could please name and address for the record. I'm Sharon Smith. I live at 914 Sandpiper Street, but I've lived there for 21 years. I'm also a very lucky person that I had Mr. and Mrs. Chrys ler spend an afternoon with me. And I learned very much during that afternoon. Number one, he would never use the color that's on our buildings. Ever. His son said the same thing. He preferred lighter colors for shadows. He was always interested in how the light hit the walls and whatever was sitting in front of it to get the shadows. And that's why the shadow box. And he just preferred light, lighter colors. They honored him when he did a retirement and put many things in the museum. And they had a video. And we received a copy of the video because part of it was photographed in our home out and we direct, you know, showed them different areas or told them different areas to go because they wanted the pictures. And in the video, it showed many of Mr. Chrysler's buildings. They're all in some tone of white. Now they make reference, the girls make reference to one through four. They seem to forget that one through four was actually almost more hotel when they were first built. So yes, they were put it one through four was probably different color or one through three, whichever was finished first, whichever was finished first, because it was run more like a motel. Five through 10 was with a different contractor. And so things were done differently five through 10. But I just know from he went through my whole house. It's amazing to watch how he looks at everything. I got any changes that had been met. And then we have our house is very close to original as it's amazing. And he just, it's amazing. He looks at how everything lines up and how... We are at three minutes, if you could please conclude. Yeah. So, you know, I think arguing over what might be his original color for our... And I, when I moved in 21 years ago... We are at three minutes. We are at three minutes. We are at three minutes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Luke Leuchner. I live at Silversper Ranch in Palm Desert. I was born and raised in Palm Desert. I was a recent author of the successful nomination for Mar rakesh Country Club. The consultant on the ongoing historic resources survey of Palm Desert. And I've been involved in Palm Desert architectural history in many other ways. I also have quite a bit of experience. I'm in historic preservation and also some in restoration. I want to just lend my voice of support to everything that Sion and others have said here today and also in correspondence regarding, you know, the denial of the potential denial of this application. And the fact that the kind of current proposed color isn't necessarily historically accurate. If I was hired to prepare a report as a consultant on a community like Sandpiper, and my findings were based on a couple of recollections and some peeling paint and some potentially color faded photos, I would not be hired again, especially considering that there is ample historic fabric. I can speak to Marrakesh Country Club, for instance, when we were preparing the nomination. We commissioned a colorist demonstration test from architectural resources group. And we know exactly what the original color of Marrakesh is . And I'm sure in four or five years when they come around with that permit, we'll be having a very similar discussion . It is not an intrusive process. It involves either drilling very small core samples in the case of stucco, which occasionally is integrally colored, or it involves removing layers of paint with various solv ents. And I'll just show you all right here. This is the exact sample that we took at Marrakesh. It is not a very invasive process whatsoever. Kreisel, in particular, is an architect, especially among his peers, known for designing not only the buildings, but also the color schemes, the landscape, and everything else in architectural history, what we might call a "Gzompt Kuntzwerk," a total work of art. We know at Ocot illo Lodge, for instance, that it used many different colors . And according to the Julia Shulman photographs of the earlier circles, which we do understand were built by different developers, Sam Piper was originally painted in some of the circles with multiple different colors and highlights. So, in any case, I think that any kind of decision based on the evidence proposed is still somewhat arbitrary. And as Sian has kind of very succinctly laid out, it makes complete sense just to commission what is a very routine preservation practice, this paint striation test, to know exactly what, objectively, what the original colors were, if there were any highlights. And I do agree that the current color that is on Sam Piper and the one that has been on in the last 20 years is not historically accurate. And I probably would also agree that the color that is proposed is probably a step in the right direction. However, for an architect of kind of Kreisel's stature and also of his kind of notability when it comes to color schemes, I think that this is something which is very important that the community look into. And I would also like to second again with Sian mentioned that it is not necessarily the responsibility of the commission to align with the kind of schedule of the HOA. We are the three minutes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Anyways, I just want to let my support to Sian and everyone . And I can also answer any questions about the sampling process we underwent at Marrakesh. Do you have any other speakers? Okay. And then. My name is Wendy Linwood. I'm being an owner in Sandpiper for 18 years. And I'm glad that there is this open forum. I think that I can hear the urgency that John has come with . He's put a lot of time and effort into what he's done and the board. However, we also can hear the discrepancy for homeowners and what's taken place. And that's why we're having a conflict here. I'm not sure how this is going to be resolved. But I think it has to be resolved for homeowners to feel that we're moving in a direction that's actually really supported. And that we move in the way that you as a committee have to determine needs to happen. And I appreciate everybody who's come to speak and all the hard work that people have put in as homeowners and the board. That's all I have to say. Thanks, Wendy. One more speaker, if you could please. Are there any other? Okay. Okay. This is our last. Good day. I'm Robert Kinsey, 808 Sandpiper resident for the last 15 years. Sandpiper now has a great opportunity to scientifically discover our beloved architect's original paint color for the upcoming repainting job. Our diligent board led us to this opportunity, but they didn't take the professional route I suggested at the 26th annual meeting in last March. Today, you heard from a distinguished Sandpiper owner, a nationally known authority in historic architecture preservation, Sean Winship, who shared her insights. Sandpiper's board ignored these important voices, in my opinion, by selecting the color without seeking professional advice. As a 15-year owner and former board member, I recommended testing for paint colors at the annual owners' meeting in March. It became clear that repainting with a dramatically different color from what owners purchased was the most impactful decision ever taken by the board. The single color choice presented has not been professionally verified as historic or justified. Among Sandpiper's 96 owners, there's great conflict over the single paint color option and the lack of an open process in determining the color. After my suggestions for professional paint tests, the board did not respond. Paint striation testing involves scientific evaluation of paint samples of our home's paint layers going back to the early 60s. The board's highest legal duties to owners are openness, care, preservation of value, and not allowing personal opinions about color to override facts. Owners believe that preserving a historical landmark property requires following our landmark architects' original design and paint color. And the board has not taken this step so far. We can determine Chrysal's original colors through professional paint striation testing, eliminating personal opinions from board members and non-board members. Paint striation testing is affordable when shared among 96 owners and has been used for historic discovery, as you've heard today, from Ocotillo and Marrakesh and numerous other places around the country. I urge the historical preservation commission committee and planning to require the Sandpiper board to follow professional historic preservation standards. These standards should include number one, determining historic paint colors using established analytical methods. Number two, presenting that color as the board's recommendation. Number three, holding all future board proceedings regarding paint in open sessions, not private executive meetings. Thank you. Thanks, Bob. All right. That's all the public comment I received. So at this point, the matter is in front of the committee for a decision. You can ask for clarifying. If you guys will allow me just to do the housekeeping via Zoom, if there are any members of the public that wish to make public comment on this item, please utilize the raise hand function. And I will allow the three minute time slot for you to speak. While you're doing that, I mean, I answered questions. Sir, sir, sir, sir. If we're waiting for those on Zoom, if the committee has other questions for you or wants you to speak, they will allow you to speak. Thanks. You have you've had your time to speak. And again, if the committee members have a question for you and and or clarification, they will they will ask. But at this point, we're trying to see if there are any speakers on Zoom. No public comment via Zoom. OK. Madam Chair. I'm requesting that staff acknowledge and. Clarify the last public input comment for clarification. I'd like to hear from staff. Well, sorry. What question in particular? Yeah. Then when the gentleman brought up the scientific, he lost me. And so. I'm I'm asking for staff to clarify the last. Presenters comments, please. Sure, I'd be happy to respond. So what was mentioned in the previous public comment has been mentioned. Other comments are various analyses that are available in order to determine an original paint color. That type of analysis was not conducted as part of this analysis. Because the reason being that the standards outlined in the code for the approval of a certificate of appropriateness require consistency with the secretary of the interior standards, which require a color that's compatible with the district and the architectural style. So the matter before this committee and the scope of the certificate of appropriateness. Isn't whether or not the color it's proposed is original, but if it's compatible. Does that answer your question? And staff has determined that it is. Yes. And staff has determined the proposed color is compatible. Yeah. So right now. No, it's up to you all. No, you can do discussion before emotion or after emotion. It's up to you all. But yeah, the matter is now in front of you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Then what is the HOA going to do? Are they going to have each circle be slightly different? Do they want them to be cohesive among, you know, 5 through 10? It just raised a lot of questions in my mind. So I'm wondering if staff could weigh in on that. And I'm also wondering, and again, I feel like we're kind of getting thrown into areas we shouldn't necessarily be, whether the appropriate procedure was done in place, as far as you know, without being an expert on the HOAs, you know, CCRs, etc., their process. But were enough people consulted, I know we require owner consent to be designated. So in terms of the COA, what, you know, standard has to be met, what threshold, what percentage has to agree to this. And I think... Is... Sure. So regarding the HOAs process and how they ultimately came to the color that they propose as part of their application, the city, legally speaking, has no authority to insert itself between matters of the HOA and the property owners. What the city does have legal authority over is the implementation of the municipal code, which outlines a process for approval of alterations to historic properties through the certificate of appropriateness process. So what you see here on the screen is a letter signed by the current board of directors, which outlines the process that the HOA went through in order to arrive at its decision. So this is provided for context. This, again, doesn't have any legal connection to what's being considered before the committee today, which is whether or not it meets the findings of the code. But for context, what this is saying is that a paint committee was formed and that the board has authority on making decisions on behalf of the association per their CCN Rs. The board voted in November to move forward with the currently proposed color. And then there was also a poll sent in March. And then the board voted unanimously in April to move forward with Circle Four. So from the city's perspective, what we have is an application from a representative of the HOA that says on behalf of the HOA, they're proposing color four. So that's really what the city is considering and what's before this committee. And in regards to, you know, the best practice analysis for determining original paint color, you're correct. The secretary of the interior does provide guidance on those best practices. And that's in order to determine the original paint color. However, the standards don't require an original paint color to be determined in order to determine compatibility, which is why one was not required as part of this application. I just have one more comment to throw out there. You know, when Kreisel designed all this, this whole color palette was based on green lawns. And now there's no green lawns or they're disappearing over there. So it's almost like whatever color is chosen is not going to have the same effect for the overall property anymore. It just seems like given the controversy, going for the definitive answer would have been the way to go. I mean, if people are arguing over the colors, why not just find out the definitive answer instead of being, well, this looks good. I mean, if people are arguing over there, they're not going to have the same effect for the overall property. So, I think that's the same effect for the overall property . So, I think that's the same effect for the overall property . So, I think that's the same effect for the overall property . So, I think that's the same effect for the overall property . So, I think that's the same effect for the overall property . That is an option. What is that background? Is there another microphone on somewhere? I'm not sure. Yeah. This committee is able to continue the item. You can continue it to a specific date, meaning the next meeting, or continue it to a date uncertain. I just ask. Obviously, if there's a motion for that, it follows all the same rules in terms of needing a second and needing consensus. And that you provide pointed direction to the applicant or staff on what you're looking for to come back. So, that is incentive. If that's what you want to make your motion, you can. And then we'll see where it goes. Don't know until you know. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'll make a motion to approve. Approve. Staff recommendation. And just for the record, it was Vice Chair, sorry, Chair V assali who made the second to the motion. And then I will do the roll call votes. Committee member, Marcos. Committee member, Marcos. Committee member, Marcos. I'd like to, could somebody please exactly tell me exactly what it is that we're voting on here. Staff's recommendation. Staff's recommendation. So staff's recommendation has been to approve. Staff recommendation. Okay. I approve. I approve. Committee member, Marcos. I'd like to, could somebody please exactly tell me exactly what it is that we're voting on here. Staff's recommendation. So staff's recommendation has been to approve. To approve staff. Okay. I approve. Committee member, McCune. Committee member, McLeod. I made the motion. It's the roll call vote. Yeah. Committee member, Mortensen. No. Committee member, Tolsman. No. Committee member, Tolsman. No. Vice Chair, Houskin. And for the record, it was Vice Chair Houskin. Yes. And then committee member, or sorry, Chair Vassali. Yes. And then committee member, or sorry, Chair Vassali. Yes. And then committee member, or sorry, Chair Vassali. Yes. And then committee member, or sorry, Chair Vassali. Yes. And then committee member, or sorry, Chair Vassali. Yes. And then committee member, or sorry, Chair Vassali. Yes. Yes. Yes. motion passes three to four or sorry four to three with committee member mccune mortison and tolsman voting no thank you all right next item on the we have another public hearing on the agenda and i ask um you know those members of the public you're able to stick around if you'd like but we do have another item on our agenda thank you yeah yes any types of appeal you may um let me meet you outside and give you some some information real quick madam chair i'm sorry your microphone is not working oh is that right okay the next item on the agenda do we have a time limit for this room we're good okay yeah thank you thank you so much Thank you. This one should be easy. Next item on the agenda. Okay. Okay. Okay. The next item on the agenda is recommendation to the city council for Silver Spur Trails as a landmark. Hello. Hello. Again, for the record, Bobby Keating, associate planner in the planning division of the development services department. I'm presenting a request to designate the property located at 47550 Silver Spur Trail as a local historic landmark. The project applicant, Karina Morrison, has submitted a request to designate this property as a local historic landmark. The committee's role today is to consider whether the property meets the city's designation criteria and to make a recommendation to the city council. The project site is located at 47550 Silver Spur Trail on the north side of Silver Spur Trail south of Haystack Road and west of Portola Avenue. The subject property is a single-family residence constructed in 1956. It was originally developed as the sales office and model home for Silver Spur Ranch, one of Palm Desert's early planned residential communities. The property is identified in the city's 2025 historic context statement as potentially significant within the theme of post-war residential development. The residence was renovated in 2022 with several exterior modifications. These changes include the removal of vertical wood siding, enlargement of window openings, and simplification of decorative elements such as column brackets. While these alterations are notable, the property continues to retain its essential character-defining features. The building maintains its original single-story form, low horizontal massing, and Spanish-influenced elements, including the clay tile roof, deep overhangs, and covered veranda. The overall composition and indoor-outdoor relationship remain clearly legible. Importantly, the property retains sufficient integrity to convey its architectural and historical significance. The landmark designation process is outlined in Chapter 29. 40 of the Palm Desert Municipal Code. A property must meet at least one of the established criteria for designation. Staff finds that the property meets Criterion A for its association with the development of Silver Spur Ranch, where it served as the original sales office and model home . The property also meets Criterion C as an example of mid- century residential architecture adapted to the desert environment, with features such as low horizontal massing, passive shading, and strong indoor-outdoor integration. Public notice for this hearing was provided in accordance with the municipal code, including mail notice and publication, and no public comments were received. The proposed designation is not subject to the California Environmental Quality Act, as it does not result in a direct or reasonably foreseeable physical change to the environment, based on the analysis presented, staff recommends that the committee, one, make findings and recommend that the City Council adopt a resolution designating the property located at 475 50 Silver Spur Trail as a local landmark pursuant to Criteria A and C of the Palm Desert Municipal Code, and two, find the project exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act pursuant to sections 15060C2 and 15060C3. And that concludes staff's presentation and I'm available for your questions. I would like to see the current picture blown up, if possible. The one on the left is, I think. That's what I'm trying to determine. What is the current status of the home? So my question is, is how were they allowed to turn in an application without any current photos? Because you're asking us to approve something without the photos. That's my question. Yeah, and that's what I was trying to explain, is you're asking for photos because there were none submitted. And how was that allowed to happen? So staff's simply presenting the application that was submitted. These photos were taken as part of a site visit that was conducted by staff and are presented here for your consideration. And I just almost nip this in the, well, I mean, I guess we need, we need to open the public hearing and listen and so on. But I feel like this application's incomplete without the photos, which was, I mean, this is part of our application. The last thing says photos, you know, and the how to do the photos, which I had asked you about if you could include that with me. It specifies how do you take historic photos or how do you, not historic, but how do you take photos from northeast, southwest, you know, showing everything. You know, and the fact that this is a gated property, you know, it's not easy to just drive by and take a look. Like, I can't even tell, is that stuccoed on the outside or is it still the board and batten? It wasn't until you just presented this. Now you said they had removed some strips. So I feel like it's just an incomplete package, but maybe we still need to go through the whole process. I agree. So do we make a motion to put this on hold until the owner gives us a complete, a properly completed application? Or should we go through the application and mark the things when it's not sufficient? I found all of this AI, unattributed AI facts to be quite frankly offensive. They're just rumors. So those have no place in an application. Unsubstantiated rumors have no place in an application. And so I make a motion that we put this on hold and request the person resubmit a complete application. Did we argue the applicant? I'm Philip Cox. I'm the husband of Karina Morrison and owner of the property. I'm sorry, I couldn't hear clearly the comment. You said something about AI. There's these pages that say AI mode and copied and there's no citations. So I was just like, how can you submit rumors? If you don't have citations, then they're not a fact. It's just... What would you like to see? That there is nothing being... There is nothing being concealed. That photograph was taken. The dirt there doesn't... The swimming pool was there originally. Okay. It's just not shown in that photograph. The dirt was basically... That's how the property was. It had like patchy grass. We've simply just covered that with... What is it called? DT or something? G? Yeah. Yeah. We've just covered that. We've left that. Nothing on the outside of the house. The original stucco, there's been no painting done on the outside of the building at all. No changes at all. The only thing, as Mr. Keating mentioned, was the windows were made larger because the two old ladies who lived there , they both lived till about 90 years of age. I think they were the original inhabitants of the house. They didn't change anything. They just had... The house had these tiny little windows, which made it very dark. All we wanted to have was more light to come in. But what I'm saying is that previous applicants submitted photos that said, here's what it looked like before, here's what it looks like now. This application is a benchmark and it's documentation. So what you're doing... So if you submit it without any documentation of what it looked like in 20 years, this application won't stand because it doesn't have the photos. So this is about your recording. This is what it used to look like. This is what it looks like now. And we will keep it looking like this in the future. Without that documentation, this application is meaningless . Okay. What date of photographs do you require? Like from what year would you like to have photographs to benchmark? I mean, current photos. We need current photos. You want a current photo. Yes. That's no problem. I can provide that. So my question is, in the past, people submitted applications and then they were told... For this house? No. Please let me finish. In the past, when people have submitted applications, they work with the city to make sure that the application is complete and viable before it's brought to us. This application is not complete and viable. Okay. So I'm concerned that there's a disconnect. Does the city no longer explain to people how to fill out these applications so that we can approve them? Yes. So there is an application checklist where an applicant is provided to submit certain items. Site photos were provided with the application. Where were they? From all four sides? I mean, were they parked? A site visit, but that was by you. Like, in other words, did they include it? As part of our application process is to have specifically ... I mean, there are historic photos, but, you know, just as Rochelle says, it's documenting how it looks right now at this point in time from all four sides. And it really clearly lays that out, I want to say, in the how to fill out our form, you know, sample. I mean, and additionally, I would... For me, also, the architectural description was lacking. Like, I don't know. I'm assuming it's on a concrete slab, but I don't know that because it doesn't say that. I don't feel that the application is complete and that they really followed our format that we use. And then, in addition, you know, Rochelle's commenting on the veracity of some of the statements in it. Yeah, I mean, a lot of these statements without citations should not be in an application. You have to have source and proof. This is a legal document. Okay, let's have the city answer. Have you done due diligence on this? Yes, so a couple points to clarify regarding the comment on the AI documentation. So that was a document that was submitted by the applicant as part of their project narrative, which is a requirement of the landmark designation application. So that was submitted by them for the city's consideration, review, and to ultimately present to this committee. And you had a second question. Okay. So, okay, David? There's also some... There's too many mics on. Oh, there it goes. One of my questions is the original house, I believe, had a cedar shake roof. And in the application, you say tile. So that's an inaccuracy. You know, changing the window shape, I think that really affects the size of the windows. Then also talked about changing the garage into living quarters. So these things, the alterations, in my mind, do not make the house designatable. Would you like staff to respond? Sure. Okay. So while those statements may be true, the criteria for designation requires that the applicant meet one of the five listed criteria. One of those is for architectural compatibility. The others are association with certain periods of development, which the historic context statement does acknowledge Silver Spur specifically in its role in the sort of post-war period of residential development. The secretary of the interior standards require that a property maintain certain aspects of integrity in order to be eligible for designation. And those aspects do include things like materiality and workmanship. That's to say, though, a property can still remove original features but still be eligible for designation if it meets any of the other criteria. So based on staff's analysis, we determine that it meets, at the bare minimum, the association with that period of development that's outlined in the context statement. Okay. I understand that. But also the fact that there's no pictures in there, which would stop them from making more changes after the designation are not in – because when I did my designation, the city required me to go back and take pictures of the east and west side of my house, which are not facing the street, so that I wouldn't change the house. And so I did that. And we have no pictures. I mean, we have no pictures. We have false statements. And we have an incomplete application. We will provide whatever number of photographs you would like to see. That's no problem. As for the reference that you just made about the garage being living quarters, that was never the case. It was always a garage. No one ever lived in the garage. The ladies lived in the house. The garage was a garage. And it's still the original structure. All the original tile around the outside of the patio. It's all the original stuff. The wooden columns outside the house. They're all the original. The roof. I've never heard that the roof was anything but the tile that's on it. Okay. I don't know where you got this information. Where did you get that information? It's in a photo. No. But that's not accurate sourcing of information. No. In one of the photos you provided. Huh? In one of the photos you provided. It had a roof that's different to this. I questioned it. No. That's the original roof. Okay. It is. I believe they used that terracotta edge in that era. I'm talking about one of the early historic photos provided in your packet. It appeared to me it was a shake roof. So I asked someone to look into it. And I found. And they provided me a color copy of the thing. And it's clearly a shake roof originally. And I'm not to say that's going to, you know, change the historic significance of it. I'm just saying it is true that it wasn't originally a shake roof. Nor do I think it was the first house in Silver Spur either . So there's a few things that are not exactly square. And just a quick question because I still can't see it. So is it boarded and batten still? Or is it stuccoed? Has it been stuccoed? It's a, yeah, I guess it's a stuccoed material. So it's now stuccoed. Because I even went on Zillow to find. And I found a lovely photo of it back when it maybe was being rented out or something. It was an ad for it being rented out. And it was clearly board and batten. I didn't see any stucco. So I don't know if that changed prior to you purchasing it or not. But it was a board and batten home. And I would probably call it more of a ranch style home than a mid-century modern style. That's just my two cents. But again, without photos, we just, we don't know that. I don't know. I couldn't tell what it was. All right. Well, we'll provide all the photos you'd like to see. And yeah. I believe this board would like the city to go back and get photos and pursue this and maybe postpone it to our next meeting. That is a motion you could make? I made that motion a while ago. Microphone, please, please, please, please. Okay. So I would like to make a motion that we make a continuance to give the homeowner an opportunity to provide us with a complete, accurate application. And just to be clear, what components? It sounds like photographs is one. Are there additional parts of the application you believe need to be? I think the architectural description needs to be spruced up a bit. We need to know what was original and what is not original. We need to understand the changes. Because in my mind, when I'm looking at this and I'm saying possible different roof, possible stucco opening up of the windows, that tells me that that's significant renovation. And it's no longer the same building that it was in 1956. Now I need a second. Sorry. And to be clear, the motion is to continue it to the next available meeting? Is that? Continue it until they provide us with the application. The reason I ask is a bit of a technical right since it was a public hearing just to make sure it's understood if it's going to be at the next one or if it's left uncertain. I say we leave it uncertain because it's up to the owner to give us a completed application. Do you believe you can get that information to us within two months? Oh, easily. Easily. So then does the next meeting work? It's part of your motion. Okay. So we have a motion on the floor to continue this to the next meeting in two months and for the applicant to work on photographs and updated description and more information on the changes from original to now. Now I need a second. Second. Thank you, Carrie. Microphone, please. Please. I'd like to show on page 77. If you look at the property detail, you will see that there is shown under Building 1, Sketch 1, Building Details, St ructural Elements, Roof Cover Shake, Slash Wood Shingles. And that's on page 78. Thank you. I knew I read it somewhere, but I couldn't find it. I found it. Good catch. All right. We have a motion in a second. We can do a roll call, please. Yes. Committee member Marcuse. Committee member McCune. Committee member McLeod. Yes. Committee member Mortensen. Yes. Committee member Tosman. Yes. Vice-Turhouskin. Chair Rosali. Yes. Motion passes. I had one question for staff. On the PowerPoint, there was two categories that were addressed. A and C. Is there a B that was not addressed or is a B not existent? So there is a criterion B as one of the criteria that a property could meet in order to be determined eligible. It's not required that in order to be approved as a landmark, you meet all criteria. You just need to meet one of five. So in this case, they met two of five. Thank you. Thank you. That's the answer I needed. Okay. The next item is city council liaison. I would just like to address you that if you could find out exactly what we need so that you don't come back in two months and we go, oh, well, section 5A doesn't have your signature on it or something like that. Absolutely. So I'd like you to, you know, find out exactly what we need . So when you come back, we're all prepared and we don't have to go through this again. Thank you. Yeah. He'll work with staff and with Bobby to get you a little more information and see if there's any way we can get any other clarification from you all. But I think we have a direction on what's needed. All right. So on item seven, so city council liaison has stepped out. So we don't have an update from. How about B? City staff. So a couple of updates I want to make is we are still proceeding and with what we call the phase two of our historical survey going on. That's the intensive level survey. So architectural resources group who did the reconnaissance survey is doing our intensive level survey. At this point, I believe they've done a couple tours out here. I'm not sure if they've reached out to some of you. Throughout that process, we're waiting to get a report from them. I believe we anticipate within the next month or so to get some sort of analysis and report and then hope to come into one of these meetings. Maybe by the next one, but not sure yet until we get that. So they're still working on the intensive level survey and what that would be is identifying some properties and going more in depth compared to the reconnaissance level survey. Also, the other part, other update I wanted to give. And this has been a years long effort and there's some update that's on our city website. So we had years ago from this committee comments on our website and a task, not just because of you all, but also just in general on updating our website to make sure information is up to date, especially as we shifted departments. The city over the last year was going through a full city website. And through that, what we found, what you might find on our website is a lot of reduction. And so just want to give an update on the reason why and the limited information that's on our website. We have, through the update we did, there's state legislation on accessibility. So ADA, American Disability Act. And what that does is we have to make sure the information we put on there goes through a high level of accessibility screenings. So we're limited on the amount of text we put on there, the imagery, and things of that nature. So you'll find that we, right now, have limited a lot of the information we put on there across the board. We reduced our handouts and documents from the thousands to about 400 at this point. We are trying to meet a deadline from state legislation on what our website looks like. Once we know more about the parameters that we have, we could and want to. Expand what our website looks like, including the historic preservation, to make it easier to move along. At the same time, since October, November of last year, we did move towards a new permitting software. So all applications for landmark designations, Mills Act, I 'm trying to think of, certificate of appropriateness. It's all through an online portal now. And with that, the goal is making it easier for people to apply. Because as they apply, it walks them through the information that we're looking for. So the goal is to make that. The applications you saw today were likely from before that time. Maybe the certificate of appropriateness wasn't. But we've gone through that portal and really pointing people, instead of handouts and information on our website, which are a little more rigorous on what needs to be on there, pointing them towards this portal with some additional guides on walking them through what they need. So we hope that makes it easier in some ways. We're still very available for those who, you know, need assistance as they apply online. The staff is, whether it's in person or over the phone, helping people or walking people through that. But just wanted to give those updates on those items. Okay. So once again, after three years, you still don't have even a vague ETA of when we're going to have an understandable website that I can send people to. You have no ETA. Well, the website as it is right now is what it will look like. I don't know if permanently. I don't know the changes. Again, we had to over the last year. Again, and I know before we talked about, hey, we're going to go through a city revamp. That had to change because we have a deadline that has to be met for our website to meet ETA requirements. And it's not just for this community. It's across. There's a lot of information that got removed. A lot of handouts that got removed. A lot of text that got removed. A lot of images that got removed that whether we wanted them or not, we could not have on there. So that had to get done. Okay. So what you're saying is now when people come to me and ask me, how do I apply? I will need to send them directly to you. Correct. Because what they're saying, I mean, people come to me and they're like, I'm researching my house. Can you help me research my house? And I start helping them. And then they start asking questions. And I said, here's the website. To me, it's incomprehensible and gives no coherent advice. So you're welcome to contact Carlos because even I on the board don't understand this website. It's incredibly confusing. And people have no idea what the process is. And now, because you've changed the process and have it put it on the site, I can't even give people advice. You can point them to staff to walk them through, whether it's something that's on our website or through our perm itting software that has its own guides as well, that we can walk them through it, which we have for applications coming in. Okay. So, Carlos, so to that end, and I mentioned this to Bobby, he may have already shared it with you. So previously, because I did find the links, I didn't actually try to open them about the top 10 myths and this, you know, other things that we've had on there. But I didn't see the link, or I did see the link to apply to be, you know, a historic landmark. And I clicked on it, but then it took me over to the website and wanted me to enter exactly what you're saying. And I mentioned to him, I mean, I almost think you might, and I appreciate the online way of making it easy for people to do everything online. I think that's great. But I still think there's value in seeing, gee, what kind of questions are they going to ask me? And they might go, oh, gee, I don't think this really applies to me. I don't necessarily disagree. We've just had to remove a lot of that. That's where we stand. And again, it's not just here. We've seen that on other planning or land development applications where we're, all of our, you know, a lot of our FAQs or things of that nature. For some reason. They either have to go away or be formatted in a certain way that then takes you to a third part. And so it's not to say it'll forever be gone. It's just that for right now, we're pointing them towards the permitting software, which we're building and has, it has a, like a, like a, not a chatbot, but something that's supposed to walk people through helping them. But right now, a lot of it needs to come to us to walk through the application. And the thing is, is it's still, when you go to the website , it has this huge section on Mills Act, which is the fourth thing, one of the last things that you do. And then you have this, and then you have this tiny little link that doesn't even indicate start here with the application. So, so, I mean, you couldn't even do like the one basic thing of the first people, people aren't going to ask for a Mills Act before they've asked for their house to be a landmark. So why is the landmark application buried at the bottom where nobody can see it? And then you have this big Mills Act section. It's so unfairly. I mean, like, I assume that you guys are doing this on purpose and that you don't want people to apply. Come in, I remember, I, I, I hear your frustration. And again, it's not, yeah, I hear your frustration. But, you know, we, we've, I can say that we've walked people through the process ourselves. And if you want to just point them to us, go ahead. And if, and if we hear, right, or are guided by applicants saying you need to do it a certain way, we'll see if we can and then do it. But. So just to finish my comment about the online, you know, and not seeing it online anymore. But you said these prior ones maybe had gone through the, you know, have being able to see it. Because it kind of addresses committee member McLeod's comment as well about, you know, what are we talking about these ABCs? So even in the application, it breaks down. Here's, you know, our landmark, the ordinance. And it talks about A through F, technically. But then specifically in here, it walks you through how do you research historic property? And then it says. Yeah. How to write an architectural description. What we received was not an architectural description following this format. And the style. It didn't mention foundation. It doesn't mention sighting. One more step. Then it mentions specifically the photos. About, you know, from how do you take, how do you photograph historic buildings? You know. Yeah. And that. From all four sites. And you're referencing. Yeah. What you're referencing, right, is the application itself, right? And the guidelines, applications itself. And we have. How you go about doing it. How you go about filling that out. And this packet wasn't done that way. And we didn't receive a packet per se. And this poor gentleman sitting here going, what do you need from me? Well, we need you to fill it out. And that. It's high ready. That is the application handle. And that is more towards where we point people. Because it's that. Not, sorry. And that's where they can pull up to see the steps. We say it's clearly laid out. And there's more information we can put on that. Compared to what we can put on a website. So we can't put that information on a website. We can put it more on something like that. Which is what we tried to do, right? But they didn't seem to follow. Oh, that aside, right. Yeah. No, I get that. So, like, Tom made a really great point. Let's let him know what he needs to do. And if he just reads our own application and how to, it should give him pretty good direction. All right. Are there any other requests or comments? Anything for future agendas? Can you first? Any other staff comments? Okay. Then I go for an agenda. Adjournment? Adjournment. We are adjourned. We're adjourned. Adjourn.

Thank you. To lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance, please. Well, thank you very much. Absolutely. Please stand and join me as we honor our country and our flag. Thank you. To the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, for our nation, under balance, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Commissioner Sanders. Present. Commissioner O'Keefe. Here. Commissioner Nostandi. Here. Vice-Chair Milato. Here. And Chair Truby. Here. We have a quorum. Terrific. All right. We move on to item 2.0, approval of the final agenda. Does anybody have any changes they'd like to make? I move approval. Second. Okay. We'll have a vote. Commissioner Sanders. Yes. Commissioner O'Keefe. Yes. Commissioner Nostandi. Yes. Vice-Chair Milato. Yes. And Chair Truby. Yes. Motion carries. 5-0. Terrific. All righty. Next up we have item 3.0, public comments on non-agenda items. This is the time set aside for members of the public to address the commission on matters not listed on today's agenda. Speakers are limited to three minutes in accordance with the Brown Act. The commission may not take action on items not on the agenda but may refer matters to staff for a future report. And I'm going to open the floor now to non-agenda public comments. I do have one blue card here from a Mr. Brad Anderson. Good morning. My name is Brad Anderson. I currently live in the city of Anselmurage. I just wanted to come and attend your meeting today just more or less to monitor it but just to voice my concerns about how this meeting is so... I had to really pay attention to when I thought it was coming due and what city was hosting it. And I had to actually call Palm Desert to confirm this and of course I was 30 minutes early thinking it would be 9 o'clock. But I lucked out and I was here today. But I was just to... I just recommend that every city, Indian Wells, Palm Desert and Rance Mraz supply that information within their meeting agenda calendar. I know Rance Mraz did it once possibly because of my request. But there's a lot of people in all three cities that would probably like to know what this commission is comprised of and what they do. And that's kind of... I wanted to pay attention to the rest of the agenda. The drones are interesting. And aspects of that. So thank you. No. Pardon. There we go. Now we can do the speaker thing. Okay. Item 4.0 approval of minutes from the January 21st, 2026 meeting. Any corrections or comments? Very good. Anybody like to make a motion? I move approval of the minutes. I'll second. Commissioner Sanders. Yes. Vice Chair Mulatto. Yes. Commissioner Nistandy. Yes. Commissioner O'Keefe. I'll abstain. I was not here. And Chair Truby. Yes. Motion carries. 4-0 with one abstention. All right. Terrific. On to item 5.0, Jocelyn Center Executive Director's Update. I would like to invite Ms. Barbara Mitchell to come give us a report. Well, it's going to be the board president's report. I just wanted to kind of give you an update in regard to what is going on with Jocelyn Center. And so just for this, I'm sure you're aware, over the last several months, the board, the staff, and the leadership team have been working very diligently to ensure that every aspect of the operations is going smoothly. While we seek to get a new executive director. I will have to say that I think the members have been served well. We've taken into their input. And we have made some adjustments in regard to different aspects of the services for them. But just to let you know, Jack Newby, he was our interim executive director. But in February, he had to transition down to a consultant position. So during that transition, Diane Sylvester took on the lead position for the day-to-day activities of the center. In addition, I would, as the board president would, be present on every Friday. And then also an additional day through the week. Just to make sure that the leadership and the activities of the center were going well. We also ensured that Jack Newby was available if we had any program kind of issue. That was beyond my overseeing or Diane's. So that we could use him as a consultant to resolve those issues. Which we have done through the process. I can tell you briefly about our executive director search. We started our search in September in which we basically involved all participants to give us kind of what they would like to see in an executive director. So we did face-to-face conversations with staff. We did it with the board. We did it with members. We did it with contractors. And we also did it with city officials. And through that information, we did come up with an executive director profile, which was then put out for, to basically have the profile was submitted and was put out on for people to apply for the position. Through November through February, we had, they received, the COIA received 300 individuals. They approached 300 individuals. And they received 70 applications. Of those 35 participants in the initial conversations. And then 21 advanced to phone screens. And 18 completed an in-depth interview. The search committee, which was comprised of basically the governance committee and a number of other board members. We reviewed all of the applicants. And we reviewed the 18 profiles and applicants. And then we advanced four candidates to the first round of interviews. We interviewed those individuals. And then they went to a second line, second round of interviews. And basically that was done so that we had people, the first interview was done on Zoom. The second interviews were done in person. And they did a brief presentation as to what they would see , what they would like to see at Jocelyn Center. So it gave us an opportunity to see people in a, in a variety of different environments. So we finalized. We got down to three applicants. One did withdraw. And so we were down to two. And then on May 20th, so our board meeting was in the March 28th. And we did offer the position to John Brennan. And he will officially start on May 21st of 2026. So just to let you know, while we're trying to do the transition, I didn't put this in the report, but we have had some informal meet and brief opportunities for John to meet with staff, the board and the leadership team. And so they've had that opportunity on, let's see, it was March 16th. So we've had some initial interaction between John and the board members, also with the staff, and then also the leadership team. And those have gone very well. 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And that was our second signature event for our fiscal year 2025. It was held on April 8th, 2026. A number of you were there at the activities. We had over 300 participants. And it was sponsored. We were supported by sponsors, table captains, donors, volunteers, models, and guests. And the feedback was that they had a very positive experience. And it was really just kind of a fun event that people enjoyed. We are projected to generate approximately $100,000 in net revenue. So we did really well. In addition, we did add something to our Jocelyn and Bloom. We did host a special cocktail party on April 1st at the Melissa Morgan Fine Art Gallery to honor our model sponsors and distinguished honorees. We just wanted to really show our appreciation for their continued support and their participation in the event. And I think that went really well. We had other events. We had our Chamber of Commerce ribbon cutting ceremony celebrating the opening of the new pickleball court on March 18, 2026. And it was sponsored by the Desert Oasis Healthcare. And we had around 50 to 60 people come that day. We had an exhibition of pickleball. Barbara Rogers, who is one of our board members, and I would say outstanding pickleball player. And she demonstrated her skills against the men that were playing in regard to pickleball on the court. She outdistanced them by quite a lot. They were quite impressed. We also hosted a 3:00 p.m. reception for Frank Locatel on March 26. He's a retired Palm Desert resident, and he was one of the principal architects of the NASA Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 spacecraft. And it was followed by a 4:00 p.m. proclamation at the Palm Desert City Council. We also, as the board president, were really looking at governance and compliance updates in regard to Jocelyn Center. So some of the things, just to kind of briefly give you some of the highlights. The bylaws were formally revised and adopted in November of 2025. The employee handbook and employee handbook supplements were revised and approved on October 22, 2025, and fully updated again on March 28, 2026, to reflect the new laws in regard to California or federal laws. So they were all updated. Then we formalized the board recruitment, responsibility selection, and training. That was done in November of 2025. The whistleblower policy for officers and directors is pending, as well as the grievance process policy for volunteers and members, and the grievance form. The updated financial policies is supposed to read statement of investment. It was revised and adopted on February 24 of this year. And the procurement and capitalization policy was revived and also adopted in February of 2026. The financial policies and procedure manual is still in process, but we should have that completed by the end of the year. We've also engaged an independent HR firm. So we engaged Compass HR as our independent human resource firm to oversee HR compliance, provide staff trainings, and support for employee relations matters, and support the organization with impartial HR guidance. And that was done in March of 26. We do have some -- we have a mandatory staff training that 's going to be taking place on April 16, which basically is to orient them to the new employee policies and also the supplements, but also to do the sexual harassment training that is required of all individuals. In addition to that, the -- okay, yeah, I talked about the orientation -- the mandatory sexual harassment prevention training was delivered by Compass HR. So they are beginning to do those kinds of things. There will be an additional one-hour training in regard to sexual harassment prevention for the lead staff. And that will be taken -- that will be done by Zoom, but will be done by also Compass HR. Training of the board -- we're having an onboard training of the board on April 28 of this month. And it's going to be delivered by Karen Slote. And she will be doing our onboarding. In closing -- well, I want to just kind of tell you that -- I think that what -- myself as the board -- the president -- some of the things that we discovered through our transition period is that we really needed to step up in regard to our -- governance procedures and also just to -- and our compliance. And so these have been all of our efforts. These are not going to be our only efforts. We're going to continue to go forward with additional policy updates and also to identify any gaps that we may have in regard to compliance or additional policy and procedures that we may need. So we will continue to look at that in aggressive -- when the new executive director starts, we will be exploring that and make sure that we have a clear -- we try to orient him, but also that if there's anything that he has some questions about or it feels that we need to explore further, then we can do that at that time. In closing, I just wanted to thank the cities and the commission for your continued support and partnership. I think the Jocelyn Center remains a vital resource for older adults in our community, and we are committed to maintaining the highest standards of service throughout the transition and beyond. We are looking forward to updating you again as we move into the next phase of leadership. Do you have any questions? All right. Terrific. Thank you, Ms. Mitchell. I'm actually -- I'm going to do this today with all the items on the -- I'm going to ask for public comment first to make sure we're in compliance with the -- Okay. -- all the Roberts rules and procedures. I don't see any blue cards. Is there anything online? Okay. Terrific. I'm going to open it up, and I'll start with Ms. Mulatto for questions. Thank you, Barbara, for your report this morning. With regards to housing outreach, that's really exciting. My colleague, Councilmember E. Fronberg-Edelstein, who sits on your board -- Right. -- representing our city. Yes. Both Councilmember Fronberg-Edelstein and I visited our subsidized housing -- Oh, okay. -- developments. Yes. There is great interest -- Oh, good. -- for Jocelyn. I'm excited about this. And most of these individuals -- they've heard of Jocelyn, heard of some of the programs. We elaborated on a variety of programs and services that you provide. Transportation can be an issue, so that's something that maybe -- Right. -- we can help and work with. Okay. -- I've had initial discussions with Sunline, and they are willing to help. Oh, good. -- but as you're coming about with the new executive director, please keep that in mind. Okay. -- and Shumraj Housing -- Okay. -- is very interested, and you can work with our housing director -- Okay. -- Marcus Alleman. Okay. That'd be great. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Commissioner Sanders. Yes. Does the Jocelyn Center have any kind of a direct relationship with the management at the two senior housing complexes in Indian Wells? We don't. We have done some initial outreach to them, and that's kind of on our to-do list, is to begin to work with those communities to really outreach and to identify any -- as Lynn was saying, transportation is an issue, and so we need to kind of work through some of the barriers that prevent these people from coming to our center. So if you run into any difficulties, whether it's transportation or any other difficulty, in terms of establishing a relationship and getting the seniors in those complexes involved at the Jocelyn Center, please let us know. I will. Okay. I will. I will. Thank you. Thank you for your assistance. You bet. 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And it's a really, you know, I would invite people to come and see it because it's an amazing kind of experience because it's as if you're going to a grocery store and shelves are like everything is there. They go through, they take their carts or their bags and they develop, they pick out what they want. And it's not that they get a bag of food and then, you know , this is a personalized kind of experience for them. And we're up to probably we've increased her, we're getting close to 90 people a day. But we also include the household members. And that's why we're up to over 700 people. But it is, I think it's an experience in which individuals that participate are, they feel valued and also they feel that they have choices. That they just don't have to take a bag of food. That they actually can choose what they would like to have. So I think it is a, it's a really an amazing kind of experience. And we have these two wonderful volunteers that are just fantastic and organizational geniuses in regard to the shelves. So thank you. Any other questions or comments? All right. Very good. Thank you, Mitchell. Appreciate it. Okay. Thank you. on a 6.2 fire department first quarter report, I'm going to ask battalion chief Michael Whittaker to provide the update please. Good morning everybody thank you very much for having me Mike Whittaker battalion chief here in the batt alion 12 area overseeing the cities of Palm Desert Rancho Mirage and Indian Wells. To present to you the third quarter excuse me kind of going over a couple of points just really quick as you guys all are aware or if you are not aware chief Mike Everland has promoted to the deputy eastern operations position which now oversees the cities from Beaumont to the Blythe area. We have brought on new division chief Cody Wright who I believe everyone here has had the fortunate opportunity to meet. As for myself I was here as the intern and battalion chief due to chief Tierney and chief chief Co ates retiring as of last year and I have accepted the permanent position here to stay on board board here in battalion 12 working with all of you and as far as the second battalion chief we expect that that position is currently going through the hiring process and probably be here sometime in July or August of this year. A couple other points to just add on is Palm Desert's new fire station 102 is currently still being built and we are expecting a completion date of sometime in late August is what we're currently looking at right now. As far as station 33 and 71, which are also located in the city of Palm Desert, there's going to be the plan for the remodels for both of those fire stations. So we're looking probably at the beginning of next year to move into the temporary housing for those stations while that remodel process begins. In addition, over in Indian Wells, we have brought on the new medic ambulance, Medic 55, which just went in service last week. Providing great support for obviously the citizens over there in that city. And we will be having some additional ambulances getting remounts and brought up to current conditions here in the next few months and on their way to also just get our fleet back up to where it should be. So as far as for the report for the three cities, starting off in the city of Palm Desert, for the third quarter, we had a total incident total of just over 3,200 calls. Multiple incidents. I'm not going to go through them all. There's one in particular in the city of Indian Wells. I'll go through here in a second. As for the city of Rancho Mirage, for the quarter, a total incident calls, emergency incidents of just over 1,800 calls. And no significant incidents in the city of Rancho Mirage. And in the city of Indian Wells, we had an incident total of just over 400 calls. The most significant incident in that city was we did have a fire response to the Grand Hyatt Hotel, where we had a fire actually in an electrical room on the fifth floor, where we brought a significant amount of resources over there. And in coordination with the hotel staff, obviously the fire department resources, having those resources available in these cities was instrumental in making sure that we could confine that fire to the electrical room. And I was happy to report that we did have one hotel employee transported with smoke inhalation, but has since been released. And no other injuries to any civilians or any fire department personnel. With that, that'll be end of report unless you have any questions for me. Okay. Just open up to public comment. I see no blue cards. Anything online? All right. Commissioners, any questions or comments? All right. Well, Battalion Chief, congratulations. All right. Thank you so much. Next up, we have item 7.0, Sheriff's Department update. This one's going to be a little presentation as well, with the drones as first responders. Yes, we do. But before we get to that, I want to highlight a case that we had back in March 16th. Our members of the business district team began an investigation into fraudulent gift cards that impacts the regional area of all three of our cities. They located the suspect in the city of Cathedral City. And after obtaining a search warrant, they located 9,000 gift cards, which had a value of $2.1 million. Unfortunately, this impacts not only the businesses here in our valley, but it impacts the people who buy gift cards for their loved ones. And we're working together with our contract partners, our different law enforcement partners, to continue the investigation. But it's something that we're proud of, and we're going to continue targeting those issues that we have within our co- cities. So several months ago, we also transitioned now to drones as first responders. We asked if you were interested in looking into how that would work within our three cities. We've worked with several vendors, done some testing, and we're going to give you a little presentation from Lieutenant Dave Aldrich, who is responsible for our real- time intelligence center. But along that, he's also going to talk about how that component can work within our three cities. So at this time, I'd like to introduce Lieutenant Dave Ald rich up to the podium. Good morning. Good morning. As Lieutenant Forrest mentioned, I'm here to speak on how we can integrate the RTIC with the DFR program that all the cities are looking into. So currently, the RTIC that we have in Riverside County has been going on since 2024. We've had a lot of success. We built ours slightly different to where we're not building a center and then staffing it. We staffed it, and then we're building the center around it . One of the challenges we have within the Sheriff's Department is our vast area that we cover. Each city, each area has different needs, and so we're trying to meet the needs of each city throughout the county . One interesting thing about the intelligence center is in that realm, everybody wants to share. So it's nice to be able to share with intelligence centers throughout California. Everybody wants to help, wants to share, and wants to help each other make more successful intelligence centers. So ours currently is staffed with dispatchers and intelligence analysts and then sworn personnel. What we did was we turned our dispatchers into hybrid intelligence analysts because they're really good at what they do about working fast, working in a high-stress environment, and so it's working out really well. In our one-year pilot program last year, we worked over 5, 000 calls, which resulted in over 200 arrests directly from the intelligence center. There was much more arrests made, but this was directly from the intelligence center. So what we do differently is we're trying to make for safer responses for the officers, and we're also trying to... I'm sorry. So what we're focusing on is what we call precise policing. So when we get a call from the public into our center, we can't choose what the public's giving us. So historically, we just have to go on what the public says , and a lot of times they get confused on colors of vehicles or description of suspects. So if we can respond to that call virtually, we can get the actual suspect or the actual suspect vehicle and then locate said vehicle. One, it helps the reporting party feel safer because now someone's calling them immediately, responding to their call immediately. And then we're in the background finding this suspect or suspects through cameras or whatever we have available to us in the crime center or intelligence center. So it's neat to watch this develop. So... Sorry. So the... When I mention ecosystems, we have Fusus, which is an Axon product. We have Flock OS, which is through Flock. And we have Motorola, which is Command Aware. And those things are all used differently. Specifically, Motorola kind of ties it all together because that's how we can track where the officers are. It's all GPS on their handheld radios. And so that's how if we have something happening in another area, another city, if we find the suspect, we can then direct the responders directly to that person by using AOPR data, camera data, or whatever we get from the public or what we ingest within our crime center. So it's preventing a lot of the... Having to pull over a lot of cars, stop a lot of people to talk to a lot of people. It's precise. We're getting that person and quick, a lot quicker than we normally would. And one of the things I like about what we're doing is not a lot of these calls are your violent crimes, the news worthy calls. A lot of the calls we work on on a day-to-day is your community, the things that affect the community, male theft , petty theft, frauds, which takes the officers a long time to get to sometimes because of the calls for service. Well, we're responding immediately. And we're able to provide links to the public to where they can upload their video to us, directly to us. And then we can review the video and see if we can identify something from that video. So it's made for a lot of successful apprehensions of crimes that really don't hit the news, but it affects the community directly. Because I think that a lot of the community, they don't really know what we do, so I think they're afraid of it. But once they realize what we do and how we're doing it, it kind of calms things down. Because, again, we are just trying to get precise on what we're doing. So we're affecting the community as little as possible and we're responding as quickly as possible. Sometimes we can have the suspect apprehended and detained before the officer even arrived on the call in person. That's happened numerous times because the crew inside that crime center is, they're good. So next slide, please. So as far as DFR goes, the department is testing two specific companies. You have Skydio's drone, which is through Axon, and then you have Phlox drone, which they're transitioning to their own American-made drone, which is called the Alpha, which we have not tested yet. We are testing the current Phlox drones that they have available. The department is currently flying both in the crime center . There's two cities that have the drones. Thankfully, each has a separate drone, so it's good we get to test both. And for the last two weeks, we have one more to go. We've been testing both platforms within the Coachella Valley during the Coachella Stagecoach Music Festivals, which is something I really wanted because we all know. You don't know what the weather is at this time. It's hot. It's cold. It's windy. And there's a lot of people. So one of the reason is, do we have enough coverage for these drones to fly around safely? And so what a better time to test right by the venue in the city of La Quinta how this is working. So it's been very successful because we are getting real- time evaluations on how these things perform. And so far, it's been successful. One of the things that we've noted is the battery life is not lasting as long as it's set. But that's because of the wind. But again, we always have wind out here. So it's good that we're testing it in our environment versus what other people are saying. And again, at the same time we're flying from Paris and San Jacinto, they also have drones. But what's unique is we get to fly from the crime center. So it takes the sworn personnel that would have to deploy and fly these drones out of it. And now we can control it and we fly it. And we have sworn personnel in the room that can now communicate with the people on the ground. So it's – and we're training with the aviation unit. So when we talk on the air as far as drone stuff goes, we are talking like the aviation unit would. So there's no big difference between communication. It's working out really well. A lot of successful cases using drones and just all things tech. So as far as – I think this is the AeroDome one. Next slide, please. I'm sorry. So the Skydio drone is different than – we'll call it the F lock drone. They both operate well. They just – they have different pros and cons. So the Skydio drone is an autonomous drone that we're flying in from the crime center. It has obstacle avoidance and live streaming that we can see directly in the crime center or anywhere else we can push it out to through their ecosystem called FUSIS, which I'll get to that. It has thermal and night vision, spotlight speakers, and the cool thing is it captures the – as soon as it lands on the dock, we now have the evidence uploaded into our evidence.com server. So it's automatically available as evidence. They – both companies have a forward-facing, public-facing website that can track flights, see why we're flying, where we're flying, the reasons for the flights. Because, again, we use these drones for response to calls. We don't just fly around just to fly around. And so I think with the forward-facing public website, it hopefully alleviates some of the fear of why we're flying, what we're doing, because it says it all right there on the website. Next slide, please. So the other drone we're evaluating is Phlox drone, which was an Aerodome product, but now it's going to be their own American-made drone. We're currently flying their – the drone they have available, which is not American-made drone, so we're not too excited about that, but that's what we have available to us. Their new drone is supposed to fly further, faster. Again, we haven't tested it, so it's kind of hard to give you true evaluation of what that'll look like. But the one thing that Phlox is doing a little bit different than Aerodome is they're focusing on their camera versus their drone. I don't know if they could compare with Aerodome as far as the drone itself, but the camera is really what some people want. Some people want the drone to be better. It just depends what you want. But the cameras both have amazing zooms so where we can be 200, 400 feet above and still zoom in to get license plates. You can't really see them – or you can't really hear them. You can see them. But again, we're not flying around just to fly around. So we've had no issues with either yet as far as safety hazards or safety concerns. And they both operate differently. Next slide, please. So Skydio integrates with our – the ecosystem called FUSIS. So what that is is the picture in the background is what F USIS looks like. So it's an overlay of a map, and then it shows whatever we have ingested into it as far as city cams, body-worn cameras, pole cams, drone, and it all integrates together so we can see it on one map. But what we notice in the crime center, once we start integrating these city cameras, it makes for a very congested map. It's like Googling a house on Zillow without any – without any parameters, and you get a bunch of red dots everywhere. So it works well, and it's an amazing platform. And so that's what we're currently using now for all Axon products. There's also Flock OS, which is Flock's ecosystem, again, where everything can live together so we can see it all together. So we can set parameters of what we want to see in each platform as far as ALPR cameras, city cameras, again, things like that. And then I mentioned Command Aware, which is a third ecosystem that we have live within the crime center that gives us locations of the deputy. So, again, we can tie it all together, get to the crime virtually, and get to the suspect virtually via these three platforms that we're using. Next question – or next slide. Next question – Next question – So, again, I tried to keep this short so I leave room for questions at the end. We're still evaluating both platforms, both drones, to get the best products for our partners. And, again, with the drones as it goes, we're just trying to get to these calls quicker. Again, that's both the drones, that's both the video, and the public's help. You guys have any questions? I'm sorry. No problem. Again, following protocol. I don't see any blue cards, anything online for public comments. Good. Okay. I'm going to open up to our commissioners. Commissioner O'Keefe. Thank you for that report. It's great. That's exciting. I wondered about, is there a difference between the two systems on the length of the battery charge and how that affects the distance? And how that affects the distance? Yes. And so the battery does affect the distance. That's pretty much how it goes. And we're noticing in this current testing that we're doing in the desert during this time, it's about 13 minutes average with the Axon or Skydio platform and about 15 minutes with the Flock platform. And so that's why there's pods or hives of these drones in multiple locations. One thing is the department, what we're doing is a new technology, if you will, is we're getting certified to fly multiple drones at one time. But that doesn't mean we're going to fly multiple calls at one time. That means while we're on scene and the battery is getting low, we get an indicator saying, hey, you need to go to land. We can send that drone back, or sorry, send a drone to it while keeping that one on scene and then send the other one back. And so you're flying multiple drones at once, but you're controlling, you know, they fly themselves. So you're staying on scene essentially long, because that's been the biggest challenge. And that's been the biggest problem we've been telling the vendors is we need more battery life. And so they're working on that. I also wondered, you said some people prefer the drones and some are more focused on the cameras. Because cameras are incredible. Yes. Is that what you would focus on as cameras or the drone coverage or both? And it depends on the city's layout for how you would want to deploy your drones. Because again, Axon is great at obstacle avoidance and different things. Whereas if we're flat, obviously we want obstacle avoidance , but they're flying at 400 feet and they all have radar. So they'll know planes and everything else around. But it kind of depends on what the cities specifically want . They're both really good cameras. They both have different technologies and they both ingest into their own ecosystem. So we tie it all together in the Arctic. So that way it really doesn't matter what the cities choose . And we're kind of leaving it up to them just because they 're both good. And so I hope that answered your question. I know I kind of. Oh, it does. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Commissioner. Anyway. Yes. Here I am. Thank you. Thank you. I want to echo the sentiments of Commissioner O'Keefe. Great presentation. Is there any kind of medical emergency application for these drones? Yeah. So we can use it for any call for service. We've used it for traffic collisions. I know when we're doing our one week demo here in Palm Desert, we responded to a fatality of just down the street. And again, all that does is we can help guide units in because traffic always backs up and how do you get the traffic accident, how do you get there quickly? So we can we use the drone for that. And we could use it for anything. Fire departments are flying drones as well because they have thermal imaging so they can fly the they can fly the area over a house to look for hot spots. Again, throughout my year and a half doing this, I've talked to a lot of different users to see how they're using the technology so I can learn without, you know, trial and error with everybody's money. So it's worked out really good. But yes, they're using thermal for that. And some are looking at it to deliver medical supplies. But again, it's different applications than what we're doing. But they're learning uses for drones. And that's kind of why I'm happy that we've delayed a little bit on this because it gets better every year. And then as we say this is what we need, it kind of forces the vendors to get better. And that's what's happening. So we're not we're not the beta testers for these drone companies. We're the ones saying, hey, I see the data. I need you to get better before we buy because it's not good enough. And so that's been helping. Thank you. All right. Commissioner. Is the cost similar between both systems since you're you 're saying both are very good. They're just slightly. Yeah, they're similar in cost and it all depends on how it 's laid out. But yes, there's some cost. And so then you're going to present more data after you're done studying everything. And then would you maybe have an opinion of which is better for which city or is there other data you will be sharing in the future once your study is done? Yeah. So the way the way I do that we do that is obviously a city or an entity is interested in something. So then I test it along with the partners at the stations and then I provide that information to them. And so I'm not my opinion, but this is the raw data and that's kind of what I'm doing with this drone program. So I have all that stuff tracked. I have all of it. I've been finding weekly updates to the Palm Desert and thermal stations of the raw data. And everybody knows the weather and everything else. And of course, both drone companies like, well, it's windy. I'm like, yep, it's windy for both of you. Well, it's hot. Yep, it's both for hot. So it's a side by side real time comparison, same environment, which I'm very excited we're able to do because it's rare we get to do that. But we're able to leverage that the Coachella Festival was going on. And I think they thought they're flying the Coachella Festival. But again, that's between me and them. So and so they keep providing more and more stuff for us. But yes, so that information goes to whatever city is asking. And then we sit and we look at it and understand it. And then they either they present it or I present it. That's the way it's been going throughout the department. Okay, I've got a couple questions. You said you've been testing it in two different cities. Yes. Which which two cities? So San Jacinto has the Skydio product. It's theirs. And Paris has the flock product. Again, it's theirs. So we've been flying those drones for over for months now from the crime center. They also fly them from the stations as well. And then for the last three weeks, we have both. Sorry, two weeks. We have both in the city of La Quinta. And I was really interested in those because again, this is our environment here. I live here myself. So I really wanted to see how those operate in this environment. Because again, you have cold, you have hot, you have wind. And then once it gets to a certain temperature, how will these things operate? And that's some of my concerns. And we can all say they work great and they all have good coverage. But if I'm flying around here and they don't, why do you know that now before we say, yeah, they're all great. And then they're not. And so we're doing some specific testing as well. I'm doing that. I did some yesterday and today within the city of Indian Wells. They asked some concerns over cell phone service coverage. So I'm going to take those drones and fly them right into those areas where they think that they may not function and find out. So yesterday I did a little bit of testing. It worked fine, but it was kind of windy and I really wasn 't trying to test the drone's capabilities in the wind, especially over areas like the reserve or the living test or vintage. Not a good place to test wind and wind. So we're going to do that again this afternoon. And any other area of concern that the Palm Desert Station has given me, we're doing that as well. And just to be sure, so you've so far for the past three weeks just been testing one. One of each. So the way Axon or Skydio works, it's pods. And so there's three of them at a location. And so that's how they get around it. All station in one place. Yes. And so that way they're centrally located and and so, but through a city, they deploy these pods in specific areas, knowing the coverage, knowing the distances, knowing the call for service volume. That's how they play. That's how they present it to the city or to the sheriff's department for, okay, this is how we would deploy it. And then they sit and decide, is that what we want or not want? And it's based on the data we give them. And then. Yeah. I'm sorry. We had a presentation at Sea Bag about Palm Springs. Yes. No, they've, I think, implemented a full on drone program. Correct. With six drones throughout the city or six stations. Is that right? I believe that's what they have. I really haven't dove too deep into their center. I have visited. I've talked to a Hutch quite often because we're in the same circles and we're doing presentations or meetings or. And so again, it's, it's different in this realm because we 're used to saying we're going to share with everybody and then we usually don't. But in this, in this intelligence center, crime center world, we do. And it's really good. It's made for a great, great outcome for the public really, because we're catching people. We may not be catching usually because we're all talking within the intelligence centers or crime centers. Got it. And it seemed like they deployed the six with the intention of each one can be the entire city basically is covered within two to three minutes. They can be deployed anywhere in the city within 10. I would think that would be the ultimate goal. Yeah. So. So how that's achieved is we provide the, the companies with the data they need as far as call volume, you know, whatever it is that they need. And then they enter that into their system and they create some sort of an algorithm or whatever they do. And then they present us back with a map of saying, Hey, based on what you gave me, this is what we recommend. And then it's also based on locations of where these things can go. Because again, you can't just put them anywhere. They need to have some sort of infrastructure attached to them as well. So that's how that's done. We don't, we don't necessarily choose. We can say, Hey, Oh, well, I want it here. So fix it at another one. But essentially that's how that, that talk starts. And mayor, if I could add to that city staff and our respective lieutenants for the cities did go to Palm Springs and see a live demonstration of that center. Extremely impressive. Chief Mills over from Palm Springs spent some time with us. And that was very valuable, I think for all of us to hear. He was actually against the drone program and didn't want to do it. His staff kind of pulled him into it, which he openly admits. And he said, after seeing what a force multiplier this is, he said, this is one of those hills that I'll die on. He said, it's that valuable for our city and our responses. So it was quite an impressive operation that they have over there in Palm Springs. And we are obviously looking at what our neighbors are doing. Cathedral city also operates drones. And as they mentioned with kind of sharing, right? Crime doesn't respect our jurisdictional boundaries. And just the day before a crime happened in Cathedral city and the suspects went into Palm Springs and those drones could just hand off to each other. And so they see everything between the two cities police departments with their drones. And then they hand it off to a Palm Springs drone. It happened to be a shooting and the Palm Springs drone follows and sees them hand off the weapons to a different party and then move on to a different address. All this is being recorded. This crime center is giving instruction to the deputies in the field. Hey, here's the suspects at this address that they just handed the weapons off to, you know, other suspects continued on to this address. And they're just quarterbacking from this crime center and recording it all. And so just like a body worn camera footage, right? It's the same type of evidence with these drones and the recordings. And so they've recorded these suspects dropping the weapons off, handing them off, going on to the next address. All of that is just as if a deputy witnessed that with their body worn camera. And it's all treated the same from an evidence standpoint. And outside of the drone technology, you would have had a huge gap in that investigation because you never would have observed them dropping the weapons off and you'd be missing your primary piece of evidence in that case. And so that was just one example of how Palm Springs and Cathedral City are utilizing this technology to help their communities. So we did go to those centers. I just have one more question before I turn over Commissioner Sanders. The, uh, did you actually make up this presentation? Uh, yes. Okay. I've just thought maybe a lot of times AI creates those presentations. Oh, no. I thought it would have been ironic. Well, AI presentation advocating for an AI robot drone. I will put an advocate or an asterisk by that. Yes, I created it. I gave, I gave my slides to my crime house and said, Hey, can you make this look a little bit more like I didn't make it? All right. All right. Because again, I am from the streets. I'm not, um, historically known for PowerPoint presentations. I appreciate that. Thank you. Commissioner Sanders. I share your technological challenges. Believe me. Um, did I hear you correctly? When I think you said that, uh, the drones are somewhat, uh , wireless telecommunications facility dependent. In other words, if there's a big dead spot in cell phone coverage, uh, the drones may have a challenge in terms of communicating with the base station. Um, yes and no, but we haven't seen it and they have multiple SIM cards within there and they also have cradle points. And I, again, I'm sorry if I'm talking words that, um, so they can flip back and forth through different cell phone carriers via SIM cards. And then they can also go radio frequency as well. Um, so the drone companies understand the challenges of cell phone coverage. So that's what they've done is they just uploaded a bunch of stuff into these things. So they won't lose communication or connectivity. Um, I bring the issue up because, uh, following, uh, the lead of, uh, the city of Rancho Mirage. Uh, the city of Indian Wells undertook a, uh, comprehensive study of cell phone coverage in the city. And we have an enormous dead spot out on Portola, um, at the reserve and surrounding area. It covers the part of the Ironwood country club, part of the living desert and so forth. Um, and, um, if there is a challenge for these drones of any kind that relates to wireless telecommunications coverage, we would like to know because it's a very important fact in terms of the urgency with which we need to tackle this problem. Yes. So I worked with the city of Indian Wells. They provided me with that map. Again, I had to have somebody tell me what it means, but my intelligence people knew what it meant. And so within the center, they're like, Hey, these areas we need to fly, which is exactly reserve living desert vintage Ironwood. Yeah. Um, cause those are like the red and like, Hey, there is nothing here. So I took the drone up to Ironwood park yesterday and flew it around a little bit, but again, with the wind, it was a little bit challenging. Um, so I'm planning on doing that again today because again , we want to know, we want to know, is it going to work or not? Yeah. And, uh, what happens is say it goes into an area where it 's going to lose. It's like, ah, this ain't going to work. It will return to home. Um, so we set areas for whatever, wherever flying, where returned to home was, which was me at Ironwood park. Um, and so, so yeah, so that, that was the plan yesterday. And I'm trying to, after this, I plan on doing it again, um , with the pilots flying from the center, not me flying from remote because I want it to be real life. This is what it's going to be like, um, versus saying, no, we can fly with remote all around and it works great. No, no, I want to fly from Riverside with the drones. We're looking at purchasing and seeing what happens. Yeah. Um, this is top of mind for city of Indian Wells. Uh, we're on the cusp of making some decisions, zoning and, and otherwise to, uh, help alleviate the problems. So the sooner that we get a report from you on, you know, the level of urgency, uh, of this, uh, the better. Yeah. I've been communicating with Lieutenant Shivoni as well, who's in talks with, uh, providing me the areas of concern the city had. And so that's what we've been trying to tackle. Um, and just to verify the RTIC is located in Riverside. So if Palm Desert was to adopt and implement, say, uh, have eight to 10 drones in our city to cover the entire city, the actual pilots or would remain in Riverside. They wouldn't move out to Gerald Ford. They could be because any person could fly from any more. So technically it doesn't need to be a Palm Desert station pilot. It could be a pilot. So like the pilots we have in there now, they're just pilots. And so they fly wherever they need to fly. The current proposal that we're evaluating is having, uh, a crime center out of the Palm Desert station. That would service our communities. Thank you. Yes. Any other questions or comments? All good. We'll entertain a motion on, uh, whether or not to move forward with this for each city. I support it. And I'll second. All right. Let's get a vote. Commissioner Nostandi. Yes. Vice Chair Mulatto. Yes. Commissioner Sanders. Yes. Commissioner O'Keefe. Yes. And Chair Truby. Yes. Motion carries 5-0. And just to add, Chair and Commissioners, we'll continue to provide updates at the Cove Commission, but given that there is additional questions, details, cost factors, the motion here is a motion to provide the motion here approves this in concept and then now it'll go to each respective city managers to vet and city councils for review. Terrific. Thank you. Next up, 8.0, General Business. Item 8.1 is a follow-up regarding Letter of Intent with California State University San Bernardino, Palm Desert Campus. And we're looking for Mr. Chris Freeland. You would, except for Chris Freeland's not here. So, yeah, good morning Chair. Eric Seha. Yeah, members of the Commission. Eric Seha, Assistant City Manager for the City of Indian Wells. Chris Freeland is in Sacramento. As you are aware, we all share a couple goals as co-commun ities. And one is of regional significance, which is the build-out of our Palm Desert University campus. Along with that, the state has a number of requirements on all of our cities to look at RHENA and affordable housing development in our communities. And many cities around the state have looked creatively on how to accomplish this, even on a regional scale. And we are certainly interested in doing that here, not only to build out the Palm Desert campus, but to address our RHENA requirements. So, to that, the City of Indian Wells is drafting a letter now for a Letter of Intent to submit to the Palm Desert campus. That letter will be shared with the City Managers this week , if not next, with hopes of submitting that letter to the campus in May. There is a formal approval process that it needs to go through and review with not only the campus, but also with the Board of Trustees and the Chancellor's Office. But that letter will be shared this month with your respective City Managers. That's our status update. And again, public comment. I don't see blue card. Anything online? Okay. Very good. Anything from my colleagues? I just want to give a shout-out to the Sheriff's Department , the Indian Wells City, the Indian Wells SEP team. At the tennis tournament this year, there was one significant crime. A watch estimated to be worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $450,000. Now that's a hell of a watch. Now that's a hell of a watch. Was lifted off of the wrist of the victim. And it turns out that it was a Colombian gang that had apparently purchased tickets to get into the tennis garden. And then through a kind of a slate of hand operation, they were able to get the watch. To me, as an outside observer, finding the perpetrators of this crime would be like finding a needle in a haystack. I mean, 427,000 people came through those gates over a two- week period. Fortunately, there were cameras on site and so forth. There were enough evidence that gave the Sheriff's Department some leads. And a few days later, they were arrested in the city of Ontario. Amazing to me. And I just want to thank the Sheriff's Department for doing an outstanding job. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Very good. I do have a quick question for Eric. The, isn't the process for applying RENA numbers via the campus housing potentially? Doesn't that have some, somewhat dependent on what the state legislator does? Is that correct? We're still kind of, we're up in the air on where they're not going to be accepted? That is correct. Those numbers are assigned every eight years, I believe. There's a whole planning process that goes into it. And that next cycle is coming up. However, we still have our current cycle on those numbers that we still are trying to plan and meet. But in addition to that, there are actual legislative changes necessary for this to work for our cities. So in order for us to fund, support, develop campus housing that is affordable, we actually need an action of the legislator. And so we are hoping that this can be a pilot program for the state. Because I have mentioned other regions are trying to be creative in how they address RENA numbers throughout the state. Perfect. So the letter of intent is intended. Just put our finger on the scale through the legislative process and say, hey, this is a good idea. We are all for it. That's correct. And then we've got to sit and wait and keep our fingers crossed. Correct. All right. Very good. Thank you. Anything else from my colleagues? All right. Very good. Next up, we have item 8.2, National Night Out. Mr. Daniel Hurtado will provide a report. Good morning, Commission members. Daniel Hurtado, City of Palm Desert. Just wanted to do a quick update. We are in preplanning for our national night out on 2026. We currently have a tentative date scheduled for October 3 rd of 2026. And that's going to be a Saturday. And we do have an upcoming preplanning meeting scheduled with May 7th for each of our respective cities. And for those who may not be aware of this, National Night Out is a community building public safety event that brings together residents, public safety partners, and as well as community organizations and city staff. So the event is going to be held here at Civic Center in our Palm Desert campus. And once we have a finalized flyer, we will be sharing with all three of our cities and we'll begin promoting that event. And I do have one more update. If Monique can pull it up, please. So with this Cove Commission, I know we established a shared emergency management within three of our cities. And one of the highlights is we actually have a Cove City C ERT training scheduled for May 17th through the 19th. And that's going to be Sunday through Tuesday. And I'm happy to report back that it has already been sold out and we do have a waiting list available. So just want to show that I think combining our CERT as the three cities, we were able to see all success and really get our numbers filled in for this event. So we're excited to bring that next month. And that's my only update. So we're excited to have a new update on the next month. Thank you, Daniel. Any public comment? No blue cards? Anything? Okay, great. Commissioners. One question. Is the idea to eventually have National Night Out rotate from city to city? So I know historically it has been rotated. It used to be over at the 7th off of Country Club and then it moved over to the city of Rancho Mirage the past two years. And I believe now the intent is to centralize it here at Civic Center just because of the size of the event. It kind of outgrew Rancho Mirage, which is great. So now having it here centralized, we have a little bit more space, we'll be able to have that. So it'll be up to this commission to move forward with that on having it each year at Palm Desert, if that's the wishes . Got it. Thank you. All right. Terrific. All good. Well, no action required. Appreciate it, Daniel. All right. Next up we have item 8.3, consideration of an administrative addendum to centralized administrative support functions. And Monique will provide a presentation. Yes. This is a request to approve an administrative addendum for the Cove Community Services Commission. This addendum is intended to improve continuity, transparency and public access to commission records by centralizing certain administrative members of the city. And the city of Palm Desert. And the city of Palm Desert would take on responsibilities such as preparing agendas and minutes. And serve as the primary location for posting commission records online. This is only an administrative change, so it does not modify the commission's governance, membership, voting structure, or existing rotating chair system. The role of the chairing city will remain the same, including managing meeting logistics and conducting meetings. There's no fiscal impact associated with this action as Palm Desert staff would absorb the administrative responsibilities. Additionally, the addendum includes a provision allowing any member agency to terminate the arrangement with written notice, at which point the commission would return to its prior administrative model. So we're just requesting approval of this addendum today. And that concludes my report. Okay. No blue cards and nothing online. Okay, great. Any comments? A motion to approve. All right. Second the motion. Vice Chair Mulatto. Yes. Commissioner O'Keefe. Yes. Commissioner Sanders. Yes. And Chair Truby. Yes. Motion carries. 4-0. Very good. And any item 9.0. Any comments, final comments or questions from commission members? All right. Then I will add 10. Oh, yes, Mr. Sanders. One comment. First of all, my apologies for jumping the gun on my comments about the crime that was committed at the tennis garden during the tennis tournament. I sort of got that out of turn, but first mistake I've ever made. Secondly, I just want to make a general comment about what I perceive as the significant uptick in the cooperative efforts among the three cities. I think the commission over the last couple of years has done yeoman's work in terms of getting things going here in terms of what the Code Communities Commission is all about. So thank you all. I agree. And I say there's never a bad time for kudos in attaboys. So you can give that any time you want during a meeting. And I agree. Staff's done a great job working together. I love the cooperation and it's working out beautifully in my opinion. So and with that at 10:41 a.m. I will adjourn the meeting. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Good afternoon. I call the Architect Review Commission meeting of April 14 th, 2026 to order at 1232 p.m. May I have a roll call, please? Commissioner Gregory? Present. Commissioner Sanchez? Here. Commissioner Vucic? Here. Vice Chair Blakely? Here. Chair McIntosh? Here. For the record, Commissioner Lakovic is excused. We have a quorum. Great. Thank you very much. This time has been set aside for the public to address the Architectural Review Commission on issues that are not on the agenda for up to three minutes. Because the Brown Act does not allow the committee to act on items not listed on the agenda, members may briefly respond or refer to the matter to staff for a report and recommendation at a future meeting. Will the recording secretary... Could you try again? Thank you. Will the recording secretary please give instructions for attendees participating virtually? Yes. If you're joining us by Zoom and would like to give non-ag enda public comment, please use the raise hand function at the bottom of your screen. If you're joining us by phone, please press star 9 to be added to the queue and star 6 to unmute yourself when called upon. If there's anyone who wishes to speak on an item that is not on the agenda, please raise your hand to speak. I see none. All right. Consent calendar items. All matters listed on the consent calendar are considered routine and may be approved by one motion. The public may comment on any items on the consent agenda within the three-minute time limit. Individual items may be removed by the Architectural Review Commission for a separate discussion. All right. Recommendation is to item 4A to approve the minutes of March 24th, 2026 as presented. Anybody like to make a motion? Motion to approve. I'll second. All right. Is motion in seconded? We have... Do we need to roll call on that? No, you're all in the room, so we can just take all in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. 5-0. Thank you. All right. On to business items. Item 5A. consideration of a design review for a facade modification for Herman Miller at an existing storefront located at 73-425 El Paseo, space 110. May I have a staff report on this item, please? Good afternoon, Chair and Commissioners. My name is Peyton Thomas, an assistant planner with the Development Services Department. Today, I will be presenting on Herman Miller, permit number DR-260002. The project applicant is permits today. In the request for ARC approval is the design review approval for a proposed facade modification to an existing storefront for Herman Miller, located at 73- 425 El Paseo. The project includes modification to the architecture and lighting. This vicinity map shows where the project location is at. It's on the south side of El Paseo and east of Lupin Lane. Here are existing conditions of the northern elevation. And here are the proposed front elevations for the store front elevation. So as you can see, a majority of the changes are with a new window system and door system. It's about 12 feet high. And then above the window system is the proposed metal seam panels that are about 16 feet high above the concrete facade. And then the front entryway is recessed about 4 feet high above the front of the door. And then at the bottom of the doorway will be the brake metal base along the whole front way. And then there will be a 2 feet 10 inch concrete depth for the parapet, as you can see in the red box indicated. And again, the only lighting will be included will be a one recessed light in the front. Overall, the building scale will not be changing for this project. So no height changes, no landscape changes, and then also no changes to the sidewalk. Any disturbance will be brought back to existing conditions . And here we have the existing conditions for the southern elevation. And then here's the proposed for the rear elevation. It's predominantly a concrete finish with three vertical columns about like 3 feet 4 inches wide. With the concrete will be painted. And then with the new entryway, it's one window and a double door system. Again, about 9 feet tall and recessed about 4 feet in. So it will have one recessed light at the doorway. And no changes again to the overall building footprint for this. Or the scale, I mean. And the sidewalk won't be changing. And it will be brought back to the original, the concrete and the pavers. And then staff have determined that the findings have been met and recommended the project for approval. And if any design comments arise during the discussion, staff recommends that the ARC outline that requested changes and incorporate the comments as conditions of approval. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's just at my desk, so my apologies for that. I have a question. How is the sign lit, or is it lit? I remember the sign. The signs will be reviewed under a separate permit, yes. Okay. Then I had one other question. I can't find it in the details. On the before picture, it looks like the existing building is sort of the same height as the two buildings on either side, but in the rendering, it looks like it's much taller. Did they change the height? I can't find it on my flueprints. There's no change in height. I think that's just the representation of the rendering. Oh, okay. It just looks taller. Okay, thank you. You know, it seems like it wasn't too long ago that we reviewed this storefront for the last three months. How long ago was that? 2021. That's what I thought. And at that time, they did raise the height, right? I'm not sure if they raised the height for that one, but I do know that this proposed is the same height of existing conditions. Okay. Because I remember it was a real departure from the building with the fact that they were sort of eliminating the neutral piers, the elements in the building that had sort of designated the separation between retail spaces. And so I'm assuming the building owners already signed off on this whole thing, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. No other questions for staff. Is the applicant present? They're on Zoom. They're on Zoom. Would the applicant like to add anything to the presentation at this time? No, not unless you have any specific questions for us. Well, we were just handed the material samples here. And in my hand, I have a piece of exposed plywood. I saw on one of your details that it's like the underside of a soffit. Is that where this is proposed? No, that's for our interior millwork. I sent exterior and interior just to give you a full picture of what the store is going to look like. And that's complete. They're all labeled on the back with corresponding annot ations to our finish schedule on the drawing set. All right. Is there any questions for applicant? Just a question. I have an answer for just a question. This is the normal corporate look. Is that correct? No, this is actually a special iteration just for Palm Desert. We wanted to really push our design forward, given the audience, the mid-century modern audience of the locale. So this will be a one-off. Oh, somehow this seems to look like all your other ones, but okay. Yeah, there's a custom colored concrete floor. We really leaned into the Frank Lloyd Wright Cherokee Red. For some interior metal paint colors, in addition to the custom flooring color. It's an entirely new millwork package. We've never done a standing seam on the exterior of any of our Herman Miller fleet. The only similarity is the sort of concrete stucco finish that I believe one of you is holding right now. Okay. All right. Thank you. What is the seam on the standing seam? I know it's probably in your drawing somewhere, but I haven 't found it yet. It is. I believe it's 12 inches wide. Emily, my architect, can correct me if I'm misspeaking. Is that what you're looking for, the width of it? Yes. Well, also the seam detail itself. Yes, we have those included in the drawings. I don't know if you have what was printed in addition to the digital presentation. Are you able to refer us to a page where you can see it? Sure. If you look on 9A212, it's detail number five. And we're looking to work with... Is there space 12 inches? And what is the height of each seam? Let me just check really quick. Make sure I'm not... It's about a half inch. We're looking to use a pack clad product that they recommend for this location. Okay. Thank you. I got a question here. So you're using a plaster for the columns in the front and the entire rear of the building. What is the base that this will be sitting on top of? Is it the same metal that you're using for the standing seam? Yes. It'll be a matching break metal finish to keep it consistent. We don't want to bring the concrete material down to the slab because it's just for, you know, water intrusions. I want to make sure we've got something harder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Strategy. And your plaster spec is suitable for exterior use? Yes. Absolutely. I've used it before. I'm going to go ahead and ask a question. I was going to save it for comments, but it might be good to ask the question. I see on your standing seam facade that on the underside where, you know, you have the ceiling that returns to the building. You have a piece of metal that I assume is finished the same that goes back about four or five inches or so. And then it transitions to plaster. On the sides of this facade where this particular element is higher than the roof on either side of it, your mon olithic form returns back. It looks like about two and a half feet or so. But the metal only returns back about five or six inches on that, on the top there. What was your reasoning for that and transitioning to plaster on that small portion of wall that is above the roof that's adjacent to it? Excuse me for a second. Is there a detail you're referring to? I think so. Yeah. I saw it when I was looking through. It's just kind of a similar. I just want to keep following. Yeah. It's on A212. Details four and five. I think so. When you look at the storefront sort of elevations on A200, we include a side elevation. We decided to run the plaster up because it will be pretty difficult to get the brick metal scribed to all of the various surfaces that are coming into the side of the buildings that we can't touch. And we want to be respectful of the neighbors. And so then that leaves this portion that's just the metal cladding on the front to be a standalone and separated from the plaster. I don't know if that makes sense. It's a side elevation, too. Again, you were referring to. Okay. Okay. I didn't see detail, too. Yeah. All right. So thanks for pointing those out. I was looking at detail five, which I think was up at the top, maybe. But let's look at detail two. So. Sorry, I was referring to the side elevation, which is number two on A200. Okay. Okay. So that's a plan view that shows the relationship of your facade to the neighbor. Is that correct? No, no, it doesn't. No. Sorry, I'm referring to an elevation of looking at the side . It's on. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Let's stop for a second. We're having some confusion here. Sure. What sheet are you on again? I understood the question to be about how we're handling the sides where they bump out. Just in order to explain that a little better, I am referring to sheet two, dash A, dash 200. And it's drawing number two, which shows an elevation of the side. And then we tied that to the detail that I think you were initially asking about, which was sheet number nine dash A 212. And that was referring to details four and five, I believe. There's no way for us to look at this on the screen, on the big screen, is there? I'm sorry. Am I allowed to share? I thought I was going to ask a simple question. I turned this into a long thing. I'm sorry. No problem. How does this, I'm trying to thread it together. Does this answer your initial question? I don't think so, but I'm confused. Start over with your initial question. If you could, please. Yeah. If we look at... Hold on. I want to look at the rendering again. Man. I need some water. Initial question would be something up at the roof line, wasn't it? Yes. It was up at the roof line. I'm looking for a rendering of the building. I think that might be the best way. Okay. It's a one-point perspective of the elevation. I was looking for a little bit from the side looking at it. I don't know if that exists. Boy, I really needed that water. Good. Yeah. I'm sorry. We do not have a side elevation. All right. We have the side elevation, but we do not have a side rendering. Okay. Let's go to sheet. I'm going to get it here. Go to sheet 2-A-200. Is everybody there? Yep. All right. I'm looking at the main storefront elevation in the upper right corner. And then I see the standing seam facade. And now I'm going to go to number two, side elevation. And I see that facade, metal's facade. And it's sticking out a few inches from, I guess, the plaster column that's below it. And then I'm trying to understand what's happening as you go up to the top there. How is that all working? So we'll be running the plaster full height. So that if we wrap the metal back to the facade, we have to do a lot of cutting and scribing around the adjacent tenant . And we don't think that that's going to be a successful look in terms of longevity and water infiltration and weather dripping. So in an effort to mitigate that, we're running the concrete finish all the way up and then separating the metal from that base. So it sort of operates as its own sort of panel, if you will. Okay. And I see now upon closer look that that metal is, it's not all the way to the corner. It's back maybe just an inch or two, right? Yes. The front metal facade doesn't make it all the way to the edge of your facade. It stops a couple inches short. I'm not sure I follow. Okay. I'm sorry. It's really hard to do this with words. Can I drop in? Point at stuff. Okay. So to pick up where your metal facade, your standing seam, call it face of the building, comes up to the roof line. I understand that you have some kind of a termination joint between the standing seam on the sides and on the base up to the plaster. On the roof line, though, on detail one of sheet 10A213, you're showing a sizable cap that basically covers the entirety of this parapet. What we don't see in the elevation on the renderings is that the cap has a drip edge. Who knows how big that is? And the drip edge is not shown on main storefront elevation one of 2A200. So I guess a question might be, I understand why you have that there. It helps kind of cover the materials that are coming together. What size drip edge are you showing there? And then is that going to read from the storefront? It is showing as two inches, and you are correct. We are not fully showing that in elevation. We looked at ways to not have it that way, but it all results in not having a good water breathing system, which we don't want. So, yes, we would have to make sure that's covered. We are following the existing buildout that's right there right now. So if you look at the existing photos or the existing pictures, you can see that they have come out pretty far. And we're just maintaining the depths of the existing parap et. Okay. So to confirm then, on sheet 3A201, you have a rendering of the main storefront. You are showing some relief with shade in your 3D rendering . We're not getting that same shadow line that you would inevitably see at the top of your roof edge. So I just want to point that out, that there will be kind of a ripple effect with your half-inch seams protruding from the front, and your cap extends beyond those seams. Yes. One other question relating to the drip edge. Would you paint that the same color as the siding, or would it be a different color and then it would create a shadow line? And it will be painted all the same color. Okay. In your plan that you showed us with the standing seam, if you scaled that, it looks like it's at least an inch high if it's a 12-inch spacing. Is it, or is it really a half-inch like you say? I'll have to look at the product info again. I can do that right now. You have a second. Okay. Is it okay if I ask another question? Sure. I know you might be looking at something. And I'm sorry. This is such a simple design, and I really like it. It's very simple and strong. But because it's so simple, it's important that the details are well done. And I'm not sure we're there. I'm still looking at the main storefront elevation, and I see now that there's a reference to a detail or a section. It's 5. I'm trying to read it. On A-212. So that's the corner of your facade up above your glass storefront area. And when I go to that detail, it looks like your standing seam goes all the way to the end of your facade on the left side and presumably on the right side. In elevation, I was starting to think that it didn't. Because it looked like it stopped short of the corner. But I guess it does go all the way to the corner. So, now I'm trying to... It will wrap around the side. Yeah. At the corner. It's not... It doesn't stop short of the corner like I was kind of starting to think it did. No, we didn't want to do it outside corner from metal to plaster. Yeah. I didn't think that would be successful. Okay. So, it goes all the way to the corner and then it wraps back about five inches and then it transitions to plaster. Right? Correct. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm just trying to visualize what it's going to look like. Okay. Thank you. I got one more for you, too. Going back to detail 5212. So, you're calling up for a sealant and back rod joint where you have the plaster meeting the standing seam. Is that same joint going to then also wrap the underside of the bulkhead soffit? Yes. It will. So, it's like continuous in three sides, really. Left, underside, right. The top side has a complete cap. That's right. Okay. Thank you. And to follow up on the question of the depth of the seam is one and three-quarter inches. Well, that's a lot better than a half an inch. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I was about to comment that given the size of this big standing seam metal panel, the scale at a half an inch, I think you'd lose the seam altogether. So, I'm glad to hear that it's inch and three-quarters. What's unfortunate, Commissioner Vucek made the comment that this is a very minimalist design, which is great. But that's where details really matters. But that's where details really matters. And the first impression, we always look at the colored perspectives. And what's nice about it is the little bit of detail that's in there. And it was already commented on about the top drip edge. I can't tell you how many building designs we've seen ruined by drip edge. Because your rendering even depicts the little peaks of the ridges, which is a nice subtle detail in contrasting the skyline. That's going to be completely lost with what I see as kind of a standard inch and a half drip edge with a little kick on the bottom. That's not even... I mean, it just seems like, well, we had to throw that drip edge on there because we couldn't really solve the problem and achieve what we were trying to do. And I hear in your explanation that you had no other choice . Is there something you guys can consider for that detail to kind of complete this design versus just a kind of a standard drip edge? I don't want to design your building for you, but I'd really like you to push the limits here a little bit and complete this thing in a way that you'd be happy. Because it didn't sound like you were happy with it. I think I'm not not happy with it. I think that we did look at not doing a drip edge or doing something more minimal and pulled back. And what that actually does is sort of then allow for things to drip directly down the face of the facade, which then gets it, you know, dirtier faster. And given the height of it, you know, it's, I think we're quite high. It's 28 feet almost to the top of the parapet. I'm not saying we're, don't think it will be noticeable at all. But if it's not low enough, I think, to be of a big concern that one would, you know, be alarmed by it. We can look again to see if we can reduce the drip edge back. But I am worried about it getting dirty. Well, your parapet detail is nicely noted to slope back towards the roof. So nothing's coming over the face of it, right? I mean, yeah. In theory, yes. What is it that you're concerned about? Basically, like getting an instance where you're having it drip down the face. I know it doesn't rain a lot there. But when it does, it's worse, right? So we just want to make sure that we're not left with a condition where they're going to be constantly cleaning. Right. But with a considerable slope on your parapet, I don't see why water would even come over that edge. We can certainly look at it again. I just think there's a little bit of room for improvement because you're going to end up with a dark shadow underneath because this drip edge comes out two inches, I'm assuming. Right. If your standing seam is inch and three quarters. So call it inch and three quarters. That's a pretty dark trough that you're creating at the top of your facade here that's so nicely rendered as a clean standing seam element. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're definitely open to altering the detail if that's what's needed. Well, I just would hate for you to lose your vision here on this one. So let's talk about the bottom edge. Where's the detail for the bottom edge of that that we can kind of zoom in on and have a better understanding of how those inch and three quarter legs terminate at the bottom? I can see it. I can see it. It's on page N-A-213. Right. And it's detail two. So is there a horizontal element that these vertical ribs die into across the bottom or do we just see the individual bottom of the ribs? You'll see the bottom of the rib and then the break metal extending back. So anything within that six and a half inch outset is metal and anything on the other side of it is plaster. So is there a metal joint that runs horizontally on the outside corner? Yeah, on the outside, let's see. Yeah, we'll need to. Because unlike your other detail that's up at 28, this one 's down at 12. And I think it's also an important detail because as you're probably aware, a standing seam has a gap, right? It's not solid on the end. It's a dark gap where you see the metal folded over. Does that make sense? Yes. Yes. I mean, we are asking that it be finished on the bottom so that you're not looking into a dark crevice. Yeah, I'm afraid it would just look unfinished if you just ended a folded standing seam metal detail exposed on the bottom. I agree. I agree. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Well, we are calling for it to be folded so that it's not finished on the bottom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can't fold the bottom end, right? You can also, in that detail there, you J bend it back in so that it's into the sealant joint there. And then you can paint the bottom where you would be seeing , you know, the edge of it, as you say. Yeah. Yeah. That's not the standing leg, which we call the seam and the standing seam metal system, right? You're referring to the flat panel between the seams? Yeah. Yeah. So if you look at that detail where it says, you know, you 're, they will need to J bend it back into the sealant joint there where it says next to the brake metal there. Are you looking at detail? Maybe we, I'm looking at the detail that's on this screen, but there's also a blow up detail meter five on H8A211. Okay. Okay. So the, the standing seam panel that gets, you know, there 's the panel itself. And then at the bottom there, they do a J bend back into the sealant joint. Okay. Keep zooming in on that. Was that you see him doing that? Oh, I thought that was your, yeah. I thought she was screen sharing with us or something. I'm not, I don't know how, but whoever's doing this. Thank you very much. Let's see. Thank you. Okay. Zoom in a little bit more. Okay. There we go. So you got the rib coming down, right? If we were to stand on the sidewalk and look up at the end of that rib, what would you see? I mean, you'll see the, you'll basically see a sealant joint and the bottom of the rib, which will be finished and the same paint color. But you can't finish it, right? It's an open joint. That's not the conversations I had with them, but we obviously don't want it to see the bottom like that, but. So it's just in my conversations with Pat Clad, they, they said that this, what we are showing here is possible. So. So. So. So. So. So. I've had a lot of. I've had a lot of. Communication with them about how to achieve everything that we're showing here. Okay. Um, yes, I would agree that it is possible, but I think it 's going to be an unfinished look for you. I'm not sure if you realize that, but there's nothing in the end of that rib that you're indicating in this drawing right here. I mean, we can certainly make the necessary updates to the, to the, anything we're missing from scope. Right. I mean, it's, it's not a solid piece, right? I mean, it's folded sheet. No, no. Yes, it is. It's folded sheet. That's right. Yeah. So typically you have an eighth to a quarter inch kind of a , almost a tapered gap there when you crease that seam to make it into a standing seam joint. Cause that's what it is. It's a joint between your panels, right? That's right. Okay. Well, just something to consider. It just, I'm afraid it's going to look a little unfinished there. Cause it's, it's such an elegant, simple design. You know, that's, that's what, that's why we look at those so closely. Yes. I mean, we appreciate that. And we are asking for a fairly vigorous shop drawing process on this project as well. Okay. So there will be nothing going past that hasn't been looked at. Not a single material on the facade will not have some sort of sample review or shop drawing related to it. Okay. Great. Well, I think you got a real clean design here going. So thank you. And it was a really nice presentation as well. Your drawings were very easy to read. Thank you. Okay. Then at this point, if there's no more questions for the applicant, I'll close. Well, is there anybody from the public who wants to comment on this project? No. Okay. Well then at this time I'll close the public hearing and open the floor to commissioners who might want to make some comments before we make a motion. So, from what I'm hearing, I think, I think everyone really likes the design. You know, thank you for doing this. It really looks exciting and beautiful. I personally am concerned about some of these questions about the details. And I would like to see you take a closer look. A lot of it started making sense after cross-referencing the details or ourselves here and looking at them. But there still are some open questions that I think are important. So, I'd encourage you to take a closer look at that. And I personally think maybe, you know, this should be continued just to look at those details. I agree. I agree. Furthermore, what would be interesting to see is a shadow study of the calf, calf and the parapet as detailed now to understand how that would look in the rendered perspective as truly detailed versus what we see in the pretty picture here. And we've all agreed that seeing those standing seams at the top of that roof line is quite provocative. It's very cool. And we don't see the tops of those seams from down here. Those would have to have some form of protection themselves . Hence the cap. But, you know, if we're now making our way to the bottom and talking about how the finished ends of those seams will look, it would probably be helpful for us as well to see the manufacturer specifications on that. So we understand that it is handled. Okay. Commissioner Sanchez, you have been kind of quiet on this one. I'm sorry. I had the same questions, but wasn't sure how to put them into words. So thank you. Okay, good. I just wanted to give you that opportunity. Yeah. I would also like to see a rendering of the main storefront at an angle. That'd be great. Commissioner Blakely. Well, I have the same concern on the top because I think, as everybody said, if you see the standing seams, it looks sexy. And I think because we're in the desert, we've got sun. And I think that drip edge is going to create a shadow that I don't think they'll be happy with when they see it. So that's my comment. All right. Thank you. Does anybody want to make a motion? Make a motion to continue to give the applicant a chance to revisit the detail of the standing seam at the top and the bottom of that facade. Okay, second. I'd like to add one more to that motion just so that we can see the side profile. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Definitely. That was, I think that'd be really helpful. Okay. I'll second that motion. I have a motion by Fooksig, second by McIntosh. Are we ready for a vote? Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner Muczyk. Aye. Vice Chair Blakely. Chair McIntosh. Aye. Motion carries, 5-0. Well, thank you very much for the presentation and your application. I think you got a really cool looking design here and looking forward to the final details. Oh, as long as they heard it. Okay, let's move on to item number two of our agenda for the day consideration of a design review for a facade modification for an existing storefront. Birch or located at 73680 El Paseo. May we have a staff report on this item, please. May we have a staff report on this item, please. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair and Commissioners. My name is Peyton Thomas, an assistant planner with the Development Services Department. And today I'll be presenting on Booker, permit number DR 26 0007. The project applicant is Permit Resources. The request for ARC is the design review approval for proposed facade modification, expanding an existing store front located at 73680 El Paseo. The project consists of three existing tenant spaces that will be combined to create an expanded jewelry store. The vicinity map shows where the project site is. The vicinity map shows where the project site is. It's the north side of El Paseo and east of Larkspore Lane. Here are the existing conditions of the southern elevation. All three suites shown are part of the expansion. And then here we have the proposed front elevation. A majority of the facade modifications will be included in or will be captured in that 39 square feet of linear space at the eastern end. So it will include two separate metal portals and in each portal it will frame a new window system and a new double door system. Those are both nine feet tall and then above those will be metal cladding that will be eight feet tall. And then with that there'll be a paint change for the whole building to make it cohesive. And then here are existing conditions for the northern elevation. And then on the proposed rear elevation minor changes are occurring. There's just a removal of a double door system and then also the removal of an existing metal cover that existed in that red box. And then again, the signs are just for reference only. They'll be reviewed on a separate permit. And then the whole building will have paint changes that are marked here as well as the window glazing. And then one more note is no landscaping will be changed for this project and no lighting will be changed either. So those will all remain the same. And then staff have determined that the findings have been met and recommend the project for approval. If design comments arise during this discussion, staff recommends that ARC outline the requested changes and incorporate the comments as conditions of approval. That's it. Thank you very much. This time is any questions for staff. This means leads is gone and this is a new company or is this a name inside of leads? Leads was the previous tenant. We'll leave that for the applicant. Both. Thank you. So this is another one that we just reviewed recently, right? 2021. This was 2021 as well? Yes. I thought it was new. But this is a new company. This time is any questions for staff. This means leads is gone and this is a new company or is this a name inside of leads? Leads was the previous tenant. We'll leave that for the applicant. Both. Thank you. So this is another one that we just reviewed recently, right? 2021. This was 2021 as well? Yes. I thought it was newer than that. I had 10 minutes. Good job. Question for staff. Is it okay to have -- I know signage is probably not part of this, but just seeing the way it's setting up -- is it okay to have more than one sign on -- on a page? On a contiguous storefront? Good question. We have secondary signs that we usually allow. So if you're talking about the two booker signs at the two different entryways. I'm not sure off the top of my mind or off the top of my head, but I do know we do have a limit for one storefront on each elevation. So once we review that, we'll see. So once we review that, we'll see. But see, do you have any comment? Yeah. As far as for the sign permit, we wouldn't review it at this point. But whenever they come in, we would look at the code to see that it's consistent. Okay. But signage isn't part of this review right now, right? Correct. Okay. Okay. I just sort of look at it because sometimes signage actually enhances the facade. Yeah, it can. It should. Yeah. It should. It should. Okay. No more questions for staff at this point. I'd like to open the public hearing and have the applicant take the floor if there's any additional comments that the applicant would like to share with us. I could speak. This is Christine Fiorella with Kenneth Park Architects. And I could speak on my client's booker. Okay. So with the first question being asked, the Leeds and Son is the current name of the store. As we are expanding, we will be rebranding and the store will be Booker 1888. Thank you. I would just like to clarify in regards to the finishes presented at the rear facade, as well as the front facade. So with the front facade on El Paseo, the plan is for the existing store to remain the existing finishes that it currently shows. And then for the expansion portions, as Peyton had pointed out, we are replicating the same finishes. So we are matching to those finishes, which should be shown on that material board that you might have received. And the rear facade, the plan is to maintain the finishes that are currently there. The only places where we would be repainting or restuccoing is to, at the areas of signage removal and replacement. So the plan would be to maintain the colors and paints and finishes that are currently there and only refinish as needed to cover any existing signage fasteners. So, at the infill portion of the rear facade, at the area where we're removing the storefront, that we will be repl icating with the existing finish that is there, which is a different finish color. So, if you don't have record of that from the existing, that would be matched on site. I'm happy to answer any. I have a question. Sure. So, for the new portion of work on the east side of the existing leads and sun, the goal is to match the existing finishes, but I don't see any indication of adding any T1, the kind of wavy porcelain tile. Correct. The new facade. Correct. So, with the replication of finishes, the existing store, the window displays are treated slightly different than how we are proposing for the new. We're trying to, within that 39 feet, we're trying to maximize the amount of window displays, which is the reason we won't have these individual vitrines. With the individual vitrines, they do have that T1 surrounding finish. However, since, again, we're maximizing the glazing, we are not going to replicate that T1. So, then a follow-up question. At the new storefront windows, where there is that kind of P5-looking color beneath the displays, those displays are fully set back within full height storefront glazing? That is correct. That is correct. And that might be easier to see on the proposed elevation one, detail one on A310. And the section detail, which I think is on A313. Thank you. That helps. No problem. No problem. No problem. No problem. No problem. No problem. No problem. No problem. No problem. No problem. In matching the existing storefront, was there any discussion about removing the cornice detail on the expansion? We have, we've always decided to keep that portion, since the, that portion was already set back. So, we do want to have that main storefront be more pronounced as it's currently shown. And we maintain the, the cornice as, as such. The idea was to maintain as much as possible, but refinish it to, to match the existing. Does the existing cornice wrap the entirety of that building or does it stop after a certain number of feet? I believe it only is at that front facade. I could, there might be a better photo on the. Well, it's shown at the rear as well. I guess the question is how far on the sides of each. Sure. What's the information as it continues? There's, there's actually a good photo on sheet A006. And it's the first photo below detail, below the roof plan. So it does continue around to the back. So there's the, the portion at the, where it's angled. That's only at the front. Cause you could see the Rolex sign. So that's facing El Paseo right there. Uh, Christina, do you, Christina, I'm sorry. Do you have any side elevations of the proposed? I'm trying to see if you could see it in the renders. We don't have. A side elevation. We do have some section details. Let me see if you could see it in the section detail. Doesn't really show the side parapet on that section detail . I don't think we have it included here. Yeah. I think the closest that we have is just that those photos on A006 to show that condition. All right. I could be mistaken, but if the roof plan on A006 is comm ensurate with that photo, then it looks like that side kind of cornice detail extends halfway through the building. So maybe halfway meeting through the separation of the two facades. Yeah. Yes. I guess, um, I didn't really understand your, your answer when I asked, did you consider removing the cornice? Um, I think you said something about wanting the main entry to stay prominent as the main entry. And I didn't, did not understand what that has to do with removing the cornice. We were trying to just keep the existing architecture as is with just refinishing to match the two facades. So it wasn't something that we were considering to remove. I just have a bizarre question. The back of the building on the parking lot side looks more cohesive as one building than the front side on El Teseo. Was there a reason? It was no, no reason in particular, other than we were keeping the existing architecture and just replacing the finishes alike. So, um, keeping the existing cornice as we showed on the front facade and the back just happened to, to be more cohesive in nature. That it didn't have that extra cornice. I understand that, but was there any thought on the front, on the El Teseo side to make it more uniform as one, one building instead of looking like two? Any thought given? It was not given at the time that we designed, but it's something that could be looked at. Thank you. I think the cornice has a lot to do with that. Yeah. All right. Any more questions for the applicant or any more comments from the applicant? If none, then I will see if there's any comments from the public. Anybody listening in? None. Okay. Then we'll close the public comment period and roll into comments from commissioners. All right. I'll jump in. I think commissioner Blakely kind of nailed it. When this project came through ARC in 2021. Yes, it's the same building, but it was separated into multiple tenants. Leeds and Sun had a very major redo and the remaining two suites to the east were separate. But now as this comes back to us, the idea here is to unify the building again. And I think the applicant has done a nice job reusing selected materials from the previous iteration. And I think the applicant has done a lot of the building. And I think the applicant has done a lot of the work that we're doing. And I think the applicant has done a lot of the work that we're doing. And I think the applicant has done a lot of the work that we're doing. And I think the applicant has done a lot of the work that we're doing. And I think the applicant has done a lot of the work that we're doing. And if it's intended to be unified and consistent, then I think the decision has to be made on whether to run that cornice over the existing western portion of the building or to remove it entirely from the eastern side to create a consistent look for now a one tenant space. Is that it, Commissioner Gregory? For now. Okay. Commissioner Sanchez, any comments? Nothing for me. Thank you. Commissioner Vucic. I agree with what Commissioner Gregory stated. I think it's good that I'm looking at the front elevation. It's good that the existing leads in sun and then this new portion on the east are different heights and they're in different planes. So if you remove the cornice, you basically have two inter locking forms that are both quite contemporary looking. So I think that's good. And then in the back, it's actually really easy to imagine removing the cornice. You would just have a composition of forms that I think work well together. Commissioner Blakely. Oh, I think removing the cornice is a good idea. My problem still is that the back is so contemporary looking and flows in every direction. And even if we remove the cornice in the front, we have still two separate buildings because the building on the right has two tall spaces and the one on the right has all the little porcelain openings and visions and what have you . And I'm fine. And I'm fine. We just remove the corners. But I think it needs to be real at depth personally. But that's just my opinion. All right. Well, I'm going to take a whole different approach. You know, we've looked at a lot of buildings along El Paseo and part of the character of El Paseo is a series of smaller individual forms. Mm-hmm. And so I would caution trying to make something of a larger scale that isn't necessarily in character with, call it the rhythm of the smaller storefronts going along the street. And so therefore, I'm not necessarily offended in the fact that portion of this building, especially up high, doesn't necessarily match. Um, I think there's enough going on to tie it together. And I'm afraid that taking the parapet off is going to make the whole thing too plain and too monolithic and out of scale with the existing character of that part of the street. I do like the rear elevation though. And I think what it has a lot to do with is just those long cantilevered brows are the two elements that kind of really tie the back together. And that's fortunate because they're existing. So the applicant doesn't have to do too much. So that's kind of my different take on it. So there. I, I, I, I share your concern. I'm trying to visualize it and see, you know, is it going to look too plain? And I, I don't, I don't know the answer. Um, I, I do know that if this was designed from the beginning for one tenant, you would not put a cornice on half of the building. I would hope not. Yeah. Yeah. Or they'd be designed to look like two distinctly separate buildings. Yeah. And, and as it is, it looks like, like the tenant expanded into another building. It doesn't look cohesive. Uh, on the note of cohesion, I do have a question for commissioner Sanchez. Um, in looking at the proposed rear facade image, I'm curious to know your thoughts on the different styles of landscape from, uh, east to west. Very drastic. Um, is that a requirement that they would have to upgrade or is that something? Yeah. Cause one looks a little more tropical, a little more lush. And then the right hand side is more of a desert landscape. Um, yeah, I agree. Um, they're very, um, different styles of, of, uh, landscape in the back. Um, and then they're growing some red fire risers in the middle. Um, I have a question for Stan. Is the second or the addition building a different shade of paint? Or is it the same color paint across? What was your question? The new addition they're adding with the parapet. Is that paint the same paint or is it a different shade of paint? Just curiosity. It looks like everything is that P dash five color. Okay. Yeah. The reason I asked that question is taking a thought of small buildings on El Paseo, as our chair said, that even though it's the same name, if maybe we change the paint color on the one with the parapet, uh, even though it's the same company, we'll add a change of making it look like two separate stores, even though it 's one. Interesting approach. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, I think you'd really have to do a lot to make it look like one store. Even if we, if the applicant took the cornice off, I think we're still looking like it's, uh, uh, an expansion. So, well, anybody care to venture a, uh, motion. I got one more thing. Sorry to interrupt you. That's okay. Um, so, um, I think that's a, uh, uh, planter. I think that's a planter. I think that's a planter. I think that's a planter. I think that's a planter. I think that's a planter. I think that's a planter. I think that's a planter. I think that's a planter. I think that's a planter. Um, keynote and top says existing planter wall to remain. Keynote and bottom says existing landscape to remain as this tip. Hmm. So. So I'm just curious, um, if it's worth indicating that there's no landscape in that site plan in the middle plan ter, but a fire riser, or if there is some kind of intent to plant something in there. I don't know. I guess that's a question for the applicant, but. Yeah. Is that something that staff would, um, sort of condition if there's an empty planter there that the plants maybe died or the fire department required that area to be clear because there's a fire riser there. Is that, I mean, how does the city enforcement address empty planters? So if there's plants that are missing, it can be conditioned that the plants be replaced. Obviously, if there's a concern from fire, then that's the reason sometimes you see some plants that are removed. Yeah. As they said, they weren't doing anything with planting. Correct. Yeah. So that's our understanding. Yeah. Is that they're keeping it. And we have an empty planter. So that was a good point. On the plans, it shows on the plans. It shows there's plants. Yeah. Correct. But we could make it a condition, right? That, you know, we'd like to see plants there unless the fire department. Is requiring that area to be clear for 10 feet around it or whatever that condition might be. Yes. It would be for the plants that were either existing or for them to provide new plants. Okay. So with that in consideration, do we want to, as a commission, some or other make that planting area in the back look more cohesive than tropical on one side and cactus on the other side? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? Is that a condition we can do? It sounds like we have two different thoughts trying to figure out how to get them to meet. One is either uniformity, which would talk about paint color, materiality, cornice, and landscape in the back. Or it's this idea of kind of two separate parts forming a greater whole, which is maintaining the difference of landscape, maintaining the difference of cornice. But perhaps there is an opportunity to create separation with the change in paint color on the new building. Not completely changing the materiality, but something to make it feel like it's a little different or maybe a little more set back. It's an interesting approach. But now we're kind of sort of influencing their concept, right? And I don't know if that's the game they want to play. You know, their concept, I think, is to unify and read as one, right? Seems like there are more cost implications with that tag. Yeah. Aren't we kind of the governing body for aesthetics? Well, I think we are. But do we dictate that? So do we give them an either or option, you mean? Like either tie it together better or actually define as separate forms? Is that the options we're going with? Because I'm understanding in the cornice discussion that removing it would be an effort to tie the whole thing together as one cohesive project. And what you're suggesting with maybe a contrasting color would then differentiate the two. That's correct. Right? That's correct. And it would bear far less cost implications in doing that. And if they did do, if they were trying to unify it, then I think there's more unification than just removing the corners. But as you mentioned, it would be a large building on the street and it should look more like individual, even though they're trying to tie it together. I think we're giving them the option of leaving everything in the way they have by just changing a color. So what would that motion sound like, Commissioner Gregory? There we go. Perhaps that the applicant, I'd like to make a motion that the applicant would investigate exploring opportunities to further unify the two, call it billings into one, or to explore the opportunity of further distinguishing the two so they read separately, even though they may be to maintain some similar details and materials to kind of hold them together. I think there's an opportunity to explore a little further. Well, if they are going to pursue the two separate parts, make a greater whole, then perhaps the landscaping, the rear is fine as is. That was not a motion. I think if they tried to make them look more distinctive and different, then you definitely need two signs. I think it'd be confusing. Like, you know, what's going on? Is this the same business as the other one? Right. That's why I don't think it would be a desirable option for the applicant. Yeah. I would assume. Yeah. And I think we're stepping beyond our bounds to start talking about their business model. Yeah. I would agree. Do you, would you propose a different motion, Commissioner Vucic? Yeah. I think, I think it's clear that the applicant is trying to make this cohesive look like one, you know, one business. So I think that's, that's what we should be looking at. Right. And to me, it comes down to the cornice. I think, I mean, they brought, you know, enough materials over and details over, I think, to the new part to make it cohesive. Um, the cornice looks like a leftover, which I think it is. And I do share some concern that it might be too plain without it. Um, but, um, and then I was also thinking, okay , well, if they decide to, if in the future, this becomes two businesses again, it might be nice to have the cornice, but I don't think we can think of it that way. We have to look at what's in front of us. So, um, I, I think the cornice should go. And, and with that, I think, I think they've, they've adequately tied the two buildings together. Yeah. Yeah. In the landscape as well. And the landscape should be cohesive. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Well, instead of just kind of dictating that as an approval, if we're gonna, it's gonna come. It's gonna, it's gonna come back with that anyway. I would like to see what that looks like without it on there versus making it a condition and then realizing, oh, maybe that wasn't a good idea. Yeah. Okay. And just to make sure, just to make sure. Yeah. Yeah. And, and then, you know, something else, I'm not sure how that cornice is constructed. I'm assuming if they took it off, the parapet would still be the same height. We wouldn't lose any height. Um, if, if, if, if we did lose height, I think that would be a bad thing. You want that, that difference. Right. Yeah . So I think that'd be another thing to make sure of, or, or have as part of any motion we make. That the building maintains a higher top of parapet. Yeah. The same height that it has now. Right. Well formulate that into a smooth motion, Commissioner Bo ots. Okay. I do that. I have a clarification. So if the cornice goes away, you want that building to be higher than the existing building. Correct. Okay. As it is currently shown. Yes. Yeah. All right. So I'd like to make a motion, um, that we continue this item, um, with the conditions that the applicant remove the cornice on the eastern half of the building, um, maintaining the same building height that the eastern half currently has, and that the landscaping is , um, is cohesive, um, for the entire building. I'll second. Okay. Moved and seconded. Can we have a vote, please? Commissioner Vuxik. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner Gregory. Aye. Vice Chair Blakely. Aye. Chair McIntosh. Aye. Motion carries 5-0. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Looking forward to your revised submittal. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, very similar. Fills in those gaps. We don't have anything. They should go fast. Yeah, I would hope so. Um, moving on to a section six, informational reports, committee meeting updates from cultural arts committee. Well, I have two things to report on. One is that we talked up, they talked about an art show at College of the Desert for, uh, not college students, but just students. And the other thing that was interesting was they were going to look at a budget for sculptures for the library. However, the library has gone over budget, so it's on hold until they figure out what to do. Imagine that. I thought you guys would like that one. Do we know how far over budget it is? I do. If you want to know. Yeah, I want to know. 10 million. Over? Over. Well, what, what, what, what's the number? What do you, the two numbers? Yeah. What does 10 million mean? Is that twice the cost? Huh? Is that, go ahead. They came in at 40 and they want to spend 30. Got it. I remember originally it was 30. Wow. Wow. Hmm. 30, 30% over. Okay. So you're going to continue to study that one. Okay. Subcommittees in arc. Is there any? We currently don't have any ARC subcommittees at this point . Great. Does, does, does everyone at Palm Desert know the story of the Rancho Mirage library? Okay. No, no. Um, that, that library came in over budget. And so they went back and value engineered it. And by the time they were done value engineering, construction costs had gone up and they ended up, and it ended up costing more than the original bids. And they approved it. So they built a lesser building and spent more money is what happened. So I think that's something to just be wary of. With your over budget. Yeah. So your lesson is? Lesson is? Go for it. Yes. Go for it. Yes. Really, really think hard about value engineering and, and, and spending a bunch of time. Yeah. Yeah. Here they're going to have some pretty cool naming rights opportunities. Yes. Okay. Reports from city staff. No reports. No reports. No reports. No reports. No reports. Geez. Okay. Um, can I make a comment just as a citizen? What do we, you know, it's so interesting that we spend so much time. With these projects, like for example, the landscape on the back of this. Booker. And every day I sit at the stoplight at the corner of Port ola and one 11 and enjoy the Arco gas station, which is one of the most prominent corners and busy corners in the city. And when that gas station was approved and it went through this very same process here, they presented this water feature and all this great things to be able to put a gas station in one of the most prominent corners in the city. And now, um, you guys looked at it lately. You mean now as in like for the past X amount of years. Well, yeah, and it's just getting worse. It's just getting worse. What tool is there to make sure that all the beautification that was conditioned on this project is maintained? Because it's really terrible. Is it a code enforcement issue or does planning department spend much time looking at these projects? You know, especially very prominent ones like that. We could look into the conditions and see if there's any ground. Um, I mean, I would hope so. I mean, I think a close look, I was going to bring pictures , but it didn't quite work out. But like the fountain is cracked and broken and a percentage of the tile is falling off. I don't think water has been in it for a number of years and there's not a stitch of landscaping left on there. It's all dirt. I think the tallest palm tree in the Coachella Valley is on that site though. I was trying to figure out where you were. I'm sorry. It's your old office. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You're right. The tallest palm tree in the desert is there. Right. And that's the only piece of landscape left. Yeah. And it's actually down in a hole and it's still super tall. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm just wondering, you know, do we, you know, it seems like the efforts of this commission are quite exhaustive when it comes to, you know, initial design of these projects. But what, what keeps it maintained over the long haul? I got a funny one for you too. Um, I know, uh, um, an ex planning commissioner, uh, who'd been around for a long time. And he said he'd been here so long looking at these projects that he'd seen all these beautiful, beautifully rendered landscapes presented. And they kind of, the commission goes over them and they spent so much time kind of putting their heart and soul into it. And then he says, lo and behold, 30 to 40 years later, he sees another project in that exact same location. Again, showing this beautiful landscape. Um, and then it occurred to him that he'd driven by that site so many times over the past few decades that he'd seen it fall apart himself. And how funny is it to full circle, come back to a brand new project with a promising design on it. And then he asked the same question. How do we enforce these things that we approve as years pass? If the water feature is not featuring water anymore, or if the landscape is dead, um, there's no true authority that we have to make sure that the landlord is keeping it up to snuff. If there's a use permit with that ARCO, there should be conditions hopefully written out. It just depends on when it was written. Sometimes they're more detailed than or less detailed than what we currently ask for. But that could be pulled up. But when it comes to landscaping in general, that is a tricky, we see it more with residential, you know, it gets called on and code can have like a certain code that they could reference. But I'll have to see what is involved code wise when it comes to commercial and downtown district zones when it comes to landscape, for instance. Yeah, and I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. I'm going to throw one more in. Where do we fall in on enforcement on that? I know San Pablo right now is being redone again. Yes. I don't know the portion we're talking about. From Highway 111 to the city hall. Okay. I could check in with our landscape, but I do know that they are currently redoing San Pablo. Okay. Of resurfacing the street. And landscape as well. Yeah. Wow. All right. Well, I know how busy you guys are, but it would be kind of cool to follow up with it. It would make me feel better given the amount of effort we put in the time and effort to scrutinize these projects. And maybe, you know, come up with certain sort of methods that can help maintain it through the lifespan of the project. Would you guys want to have follow ups on the downtown landscape or a certain landscape? I could check in with our landscape inspectors as well, just so I know kind of what to update you guys on next meeting. Well, I think it would actually help us in the long term about what we approve, because if we see some sort of metic ulous landscape design that looks great on paper and render ings, knowing that it's going to be impossible to maintain, why even approve that? You know, I think it is. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Sounds like you prefer like an ARC Rangers task force. Well, no, I just reasonableness because, I mean, I've looked at a lot of landscape stuff and Commissioner Sanchez is really our in-house expert on all that. And I see some stuff coming through sometimes that's going to like, yeah, that's that's going to be hard to maintain here in the desert, especially after a couple summers and wind and so forth. You know, and my only expertise is that I do my own gardening. So I'm aware of what's successful here and what's not. Not at the scale that Commissioner Sanchez works at. But, you know, I think landscaping is a really important component to the perception of our community. And I think, you know, I think everybody passes by this Ar co gas station so much that they're sort of numbed to what it really looks like unless you're sitting at the stoplight looking at it. It's terrible. It's derelict. You know, I'll add one more thing on that. I remember one of the projects that he made a comment they were doing a riverbed and he asked for the rocks to be bigger or something like that. And we all knew they weren't going to do the big rocks. They were going to just do the little rocks. So we just wonder how the whole point comes in. Where's the oversight once we give something? Where's the oversight on that kind of stuff? Because we're trying to enhance the city. And that's the concern I think we're all talking about. To figure out what the follow up is and the check ins and everything. Okay. Well, but also, yeah, when we're looking at projects, you know, what would Jim what you're talking about is we should be cognizant of not setting up code enforcement for, you know, a real pain trying to enforce something because we can see from the onset that this isn't going to work well. And we're going to the city is going to have to be on this applicant continually to try to maintain it. I mean, we kind of see that sometimes with with designs and landscape designs, you know, where we're we're we're helping create those conditions with what we approve. That's exactly the point I was trying to make with my whole discussion. Yeah, that buildings are fairly easy because they're, you know, the plant material is live and we have a harsh environment. And I think it's a really important component. To the overall project, whatever it is. So anyway, I think it'd be interesting to kind of follow up if you could. Yeah, maybe at the next meeting and we can, you know. Take this to city council. Joking. Joking. Anyway, at this time, I'd like to adjourn the meeting at 2: 06 PM. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

at a time when the city primarily relied on county services to address homelessness. Since then, the city has developed a more comprehensive response model that includes dedicated staff, contracted outreach services , partnerships with regional service providers, and regional coordination through CVAG, where the city also has council representation. The question for council is whether the current structure continues to warrant a separate standing task force. Second, the item presents draft amendments that would sunset the Environmental Resources Committee, environmental and sustainability matters are currently addressed through staff-led programs and regional coordination, including participation in the CVAG Energy and Sustain ability Commission and related regional initiatives with council liaison representation at the regional level. The committee has also been operating on an as-needed basis with limited recent activity. The question for council is whether maintaining a separate standing advisory body remains necessary under this structure. And third, the item presents draft amendments relating to the Parks and Recreation Committee. The current code includes responsibilities relating to operations, maintenance, park inspections by committee members. The draft amendments would clarify that the committee's role is advisory and focused on policy, long-range planning, and major initiatives, while operational and maintenance responsibilities remain with city staff. The amendments would also remove the formal park inspection requirement and change the regular meeting schedule to every other month. The question for council is whether these changes appropriately align with the committee's role with current practices and expectations. And that concludes my report. Based on council direction, staff will return to introduce the applicable ordinances for formal consideration at a regular meeting. Okay. Thank you, Anthony. Any questions from my colleagues? Karina. Thank you, Mayor. Are there any environmental initiatives down the pipeline that we see that may benefit from resident engagement? I'm going to ask if Amy could help out with that. This is Economic Development Deputy Director Amy Lawrence. Good afternoon. Amy Lawrence, Deputy Director of Economic Development. I'm unaware of any environmental initiatives at this time that could, I mean, obviously, any could. But we could, if that's the case, we could put them on Eng age Palm Desert and request feedback in that way. How successful is getting feedback from Engage Palm Desert? I don't know if this is a best question for our clerk or whoever else manages Engage Palm Desert. Well, it falls under our department currently in economic development. We work with Ryland Penta. And when we do put request feedback on Engage Palm Desert, we do put that on social media, kind of like what we do with our public art. And so we do put that out widely to request project feedback. Do we know how much engagement those social media posts get ? I don't know currently. I do know that they do get a lot of engagement. As you can see with the public art, I'm not sure exactly how many votes we got, but I do believe it was quite a bit. Okay, thank you. And I think from our Art and Public Places Committee, perhaps, I think we had like 1,500 responses on, or is it more, for the sculpture. We just had a meeting yesterday, and it was, people were voting on the two sculptures. So did you want to share that? Erica Jimenez, Public Works. Just to speak on Engage Palm Desert, we didn't force the issue of signing up to comment. So there's no barrier for commenting. And without that barrier, we received around 1,000 votes for the recent public engagement. For instances of requesting feedback on things like environmental resources or initiatives, are those behind the open model, or do they require somebody to create an account to participate? I think we can open it either way. I believe that's what we did with the public art. We didn't require them to create an account to vote. Okay, thank you. Anybody else? Okay. No questions? Anybody want to? I have a couple. No questions. I'm sorry. I just have a couple comments. For discussion. Go ahead, Jim. As far as when we talk about the interaction with the community, we know that we can just look at our mail we got this week. They are not shy to give us their thoughts and opinions on projects going on, or any issues that might impact the city. So we know that our community members are engaged and will speak up when they need to. What we have found over the years with the environmental issues, we are always more effective when we deal with it on a regional basis, when we go to CVAG. And then, of course, those meetings are always noticed. We always welcome comments at those meetings. And we can be more effective when we deal with those sorts of issues on a regional basis. And we have a lot of agencies, a lot of bodies working for us in the environmental area. And I think this is fine what we're doing. If there is ever anything of an emergent nature where we need to address something, I know we're nimble enough as a city that we can take whatever actions we need to do that. But in the meantime, I think this is a good recommendation from our staff. And I do, a lot of work went into this. And I do think it looks like some good thoughts and ideas. Thank you. Very good. Anybody else? Mayor Pro Tem. I think Councilwoman Harnick shared my thoughts very well. Anyone else? All good. Councilmember Karina Moreno. Thank you, Mayor. I completely agree that when the Homelessness Task Force was established, it made perfect sense. We were dealing with a regional effort that we then took in -house and took matters into our own hands about how to approach it within our city for what made sense for us because not every city is created equal. We found that we could do a better job in referring our resources and allocating those resources for a long-term sustainable impact in our collaboration with Seabag. So we, I think, have been very successful by doing that in- house. However, I am very concerned about doing the same to sunset the Environmental Resources Committee. And part of that is because we are, I mean, when it first came about to say, let's shrink the frequency, I was already hesitant about it . Had I known that there was a potential to say, we're going to shrink it to as needed. You know what? Nobody's needed it, so let's get rid of it. To me, that's a very different situation. That's a scenario that was not presented as a possibility. And to me, that bypasses a lot. I think that when we look at social media, yes, we get engagement, but that doesn't guarantee that they were Palm Desert residents. A lot of people participate in art. Art has people from everywhere that come and enjoy our art, but that doesn't replace the people that sit in our commissions, in our committees that are the ones that select the art that draw that in. We have a wealth of talent. We've seen how many people apply for our committees and commissions, and having less engagement and saying, apply for something. I mean, I recently know of a former elected official who told someone, you know, get involved, join a committee or a commission. So we're shrinking that pipeline, and we're saying, join a committee, but then we're not going to meet. So what are you really learning about what it's like to participate, how the meetings run, and how government runs, if we're closing the opportunity for participation? I've always said that our residents are the lifeblood of our city, and any opportunity that we are implementing, cutting them off from having that direct engagement, is putting a tourniquet where we don't need it. How many cities don't have an environmental resources committee? That's kind of standard. That would be like saying, yeah, you know what, our parks are running great, we don't need that either. We can modify the scope of what they do, but I find that I have heard it from a couple of different committees and commissions. Now, granted, individuals are going to feel differently or may not understand why staff does what they do, but they have felt that staff comes in and says, here's what we're doing, and they feel like they're just rubber stamping. Some across, again, different committees and commissions have said that when they have presented things, they feel that they're not being heard. Staff can come back and say, you know what, we heard this and here's why it may or may not be feasible, but when they say, okay, thanks, but it doesn't come back to say here's why. Our residents want to be engaged, and saying, oh, we heard from them online doesn't replace the role of government to engage residents to be part of the process to establish the opportunities, and this to me is very concerning. I understand Parks and Rec, you know, if we're going to limit the scope of each individual commissioner to have to go to their individual respective park and send a report, that makes sense. That makes sense, because we've got an amazing public works department that can let staff and let us internally know that makes sense every other month, but instead of saying, all right, fine, let's have a quarterly environmental resources meeting, even if it's just to update them on what we're doing, so these members of the community can go back and say, here's how Palm Desert is exceeding the standards, here's our innovation, and go forward instead of go look on the website, and that to me is essentially what this is doing. If you care about environment in Palm Desert, go look on our website, go look for it on social media. Thank you. Well, I actually happen to agree with Council Member Harn ick, and I think staff time can be better used in other ways, so do you have a clear direction on how to move forward? I do. Terrific. Thank you. Okay. And we will now, actually that closes the study session for today. We will transition to closed session, which doesn't exist today, so we're going to take a break until 4 o'clock, come back for our regularly scheduled open session meeting. Thank you so much. Oh, there you go. Oh, there you go. We'll give you a half hour. Oh. Oh. Yeah. They spooked up on my own suits. We'll give you a half hour. We'll give you a half hour. Yeah.

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I'll go to the Supreme Court. I'll go to the Supreme Court. I'll go to the Supreme Court. And for everybody's information, Council Member Quintanilla was enjoyed or was married during the intervening time between last meeting and this, and she is now Council Member Moreno. And we will look forward to having her words of inspiration . Thank you very much, Mayor. Speaking of, I was at the Grand Canyon. That's where we went on our honeymoon. And it was a great opportunity to reflect that in the grand scheme of things, in the millions of years that it took for the earth to get to today, in the millennia that it took for human evolution to get us to today. This day, this moment, and each of us here, we are merely a speck of dust. It was a very humbling experience. And I think that we need to look at the today to find how we can make a difference in the life of one other person. Whether it be that smile at a stranger, to recognize kindness, a talent, recognize humor, and appreciate the humanity that we all share. Let us find that shared humanity at a time when the world is at war, when there is anger, when there is division. And keep in mind what example we are placing forward before our children and the generations to come. And with that in mind, I want to give my thank you to Councilmember Nistande for reaching out and saying, "Are you okay?" Because I've only missed one other meeting before that. And I appreciate that a colleague would check in. So thank you for that. I appreciate you. Very good. Thank you. There was no closed session. So we'll move on to item number five, awards, presentations , and appointments. This is a proclamation and key to the city for Ron Gregory. So if my colleagues will meet me down front, we'll read the proclamation. All right. Here we go. No, you want to be facing the crowd here, man. Get all the photo ops and everything. Absolutely. Let's do this. All right. Mr. Ron Gregan. I've got to admit, I've known Ron for almost 25, 30 years now. He's a fellow cyclist. So this makes me especially proud to honor him today. Whereas, for more than four decades, Ron Gregory has given his time, expertise, and steady leadership to the city of Palm Desert, helping shape not only its growth, but its character. And whereas, from 1981 through 2025, he served with distinction on the Architectural Review Commission and the Planning Commission guiding the city through form ative expansion, economic evolution, and generational change . And whereas, during Palm Desert's earliest years of significant development, Mr. Gregory advanced rigorous architectural and landscape standards, insisting on solar protection, climate responsive design, desert appropriate materials, and meaningful landscape depth at a time when such principles were not yet common practice . And whereas, he played a central role in refining monument sign policy and guiding significant commercial, residential , and hospitality development along Highway 111 and El Paseo , ensuring that growth strengthened rather than diminished the visual integrity of Palm Desert. And whereas, across decades of public service, his institutional knowledge, principled judgment, and unwaver ing commitment to architectural excellence helped shape the very physical form of the city, leaving a lasting imprint on its neighborhoods, corridors, and civic spaces. And whereas, his legacy is visible not only in the buildings approved and policies refined, but in the enduring quality, coherence, and character of Palm Desert itself. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that I, Evan Truby, Mayor of the City of Palm Desert, California, on behalf of the entire City Council, do hereby recognize and commend Ron Gregory for his distinguished and transformative service from 1981 through 2025 for his extraordinary contributions to the planning, architecture, and built environment of Palm Desert, and be it further proclaimed that in recognition of his lasting impact on the physical character and enduring quality of our city, we proudly present to Ron Gregory the key to the City of Palm Desert, and hereby declare the 9th day of April, 2026 as Ron Gregory Day. In the City of Palm Desert, inviting residents to celebrate his remarkable legacy and long-standing civic stewardship. He has definitely left his mark on our city. We are so proud to have him, and Ron, I'd like to say a few words. We'll do that in a moment, but congratulations. Awesome. I am really honored. Wow. I was also thinking that I feel like the Grand Canyon. I mean, I came here as a little boy almost 50 years ago, to be precise, 1977, and there was a lot of sand here and not buildings, and in fact, this was sand, and when our children -- my wife is here, Marcy, my daughter Carly, and Jeff, and my daughter, and my little netta, Gwen, they weren't here. I just came out here and just hoped that it would work, and it's really, really quite an honor to be standing here now and have people like me. I'm not in jail, all those other things that could have happened. I've been joking in my mind about the key, and I'm wondering what it might work to. So I'm going to be experimenting for the next few days, trying out the key. Thank you. So as you can see, I invited every friend I know to come. But it's just really -- this is a nice experience, and I thank you all. I thank the city especially, too. You've been -- well, everyone keeps changing. But over the years, the staff's been one of the pleasures in me working here, and certainly the council. And so it's been fun. And I hope that other people who wish to do the same thing have as much fun as I did. So thank you. Thank you all. Thank you, Joe. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Oh, yeah. Here, here, here, here. Madam -- or sir, mayor. I ran into Ron recently, and he said, "What are they going to give me, Joe?" I said, "Have you heard of Flava Flav?" and he says, "I have not." And I said, "Well, I gotcha." There you go. Come on, man. Go, man. That is cool. All right. All right. Get the new round, man. Yeah. Awesome. Let me do the official one, too. There we are. How many -- how many pieces of people have given me? That's the first one. Yeah. That's the first one. Yeah. That's the first one. Yeah. That's the first one. Yeah. That's the first one. There's only one that says a few different pages. It's the policy that's right. That they had to be a special person. Ooh. So -- That was close. Breaking the ice, man. You're the guy. Awesome. There you are, Ron Gregory. I don't know that they all get the same one. Big keys. Oh, it's the same one? No, I'm going to get the big key, though. All right. So we're going to do some photo ops here, and then staff has graciously got some of the things that we're going to do. We're going to do a little celebration in the room next door here. Apparently, they've got 90 cupcakes, so everybody can have 2.75 cupcakes per person. But we'll take like 10 minutes or so after all the photos and celebrate Ron. 40 years, I think it merits that. So thank you. All right. Let's do it, man. Photos. Family. Get the family. The whole nine yards. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it, man. Photos. Get the family. The whole nine yards. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Can you guys have it from this place? Sorry. 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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Second. For the record, I don't think the Zoom mic was on just a minute ago. Commissioner Morrison, can you hear me okay? I can hear you. Okay. And then just to repeat, we did have a member of the public on Zoom. Did you want to provide non-agenda public comment? If so, please use the raise hand function at the bottom of your screen. I don't want to do any public comment. Thank you. Okay. We are now at the approval of the consent calendar. Sorry about that. I have a motion by Commissioner Pyle. Do we have a second? Commissioner Morrison, was that a second? I'm sorry. Yes, it was. It was a second. I'm sorry. I'm having a little bit of problem with the Zoom. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Moore? Commissioner Moore? What's the question? I mean, are we talking to Commissioner Morrison? What did I miss? Do you approve the meeting? Oh, I third, I guess. She's taking a vote call for the meeting. Commissioner Pyle . Commissioner Pyle. We're just taking a vote for the minutes. Yes. Thank you. Commissioner Morrison. Yes. Vice Chair Buller. Yes. And Chair Sadiq. Yes. I think we're back on track. Thank you. It has been a long time, so I think we all rusty right now. It is. It has been. Okay. The business items for today. The items listed in this section are presented for the Commissioner's review and action. The Commissioner may provide direction, request additional information, or take action as appropriate. The Chairperson will provide the opportunity for public comment following each staff report. Members of the public may comment on each item subject to three-minute time limit per person, per speaker. The Commissioner will not enter the discussion, but speakers may refer the matter to the staff for follow-up. On the agenda is consideration of the proposal for the year 2026-27, Palm Desert Housing Authority budget and capital improvement plan. Do we have staff? Yes. I'll be addressing any questions about the budget. Okay. So, it's Kelena Perez, our management analyst, and I'm Carlos Flores, our deputy director. So, in front of you, you have the proposed fiscal year 2026 -27, Palm Desert Housing Authority budget and capital improvement plan. After recommendation of approval, it would go to City Council for final approval. So, in your packet, you have the proposed budget, and staff is here available to answer any questions you may have. There's no presentation associated with it. Elena here is pulling up the budget itself. We are here to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. It's been in the agenda, and we've received it, and hopefully everyone has had time to review it. Are there any questions or comments? If not, then... Excuse me. This is a procedural question. Sorry. This is a procedural question. I notice in the report that council and the city are investigating long-term sources for the funding, budget funding. And I know that we have an opportunity to request agenda items. I can't remember if I need to put it in writing if I wish to do that or if this is an appropriate forum for that. An appropriate forum. So, is there something you would like to come back to the future? I think I'd be... I'm not sure about others, and I think at least two of us have to express an interest, and I don't want to do this out of order. I have an interest in just having just some idea about what ... The funding... Where things are in that discussion. In the early planning stages, is it well advanced? You're considering so many options and so forth. Yeah, we do have a future... There is an item, a placeholder that we put for commissioner comments and requests for our future agenda items. But as part of this, if we do have another commissioner that agrees to that, we can note that and bring it back to you. To be clear, it sounds like what you're looking for is a discussion or presentation on future funding sources for housing and the current status and maybe our... Yeah, the cities of Troja, kind of where are you with this? If I'm the only one who has an interest, well, my council representative happens to sit on this commission, so I know I can always contact him directly. I would support her as well. I would second that as well. Yeah, sounds good. So then we will note that and bring it back for a future agenda item for this commission for a more focused presentation on funding, outlook, and opportunities and issues, I'll say. Yeah. Who's doing what? It's kind of a status update. It would be very helpful. Thank you very much. As well as the houses or the homes that we asked previously to have as an agenda item that the city is in their collection, but not the 14, but the homes I think we talked about or that we wanted more discussion about. I haven't heard anything about that. Falcon Christ. Okay. And we do have later also some responses to questions that came up from the previous meeting, and so I'll have time to respond to that. But, yeah, it's noted as part of this, we'll bring back a future agenda item. Thank you. Did you have a question? Could you use your microphone, please? I'm not relating to the budget, the future. There are five developments going up near me on Dinosaur and Gerald Ford around there in Palm Desert, and those are going to be affordable housing. Who would know? If not, how can I find out? You can reach out to us. Actually, we can talk after this meeting, and maybe I can pull up a map to look at it with you, because we do have multiple affordable housing developments, private ones, meaning that PDHA is not going to operate them. But we do have multiple going on within the northern part of Palm Desert. Madam Chair? I'm not a voting member. I am just a liaison. I do want to make a comment on the budget. And although I know all of you probably read it, I want to let staff know that I think that it's something you give council respect of giving a staff report. Even though we read the packet, it's nice to have a presentation to orient our thoughts, to ask questions, and have a dialogue. I don't think this was well prepared for this committee. I think you guys should have prepared a staff report to kind of go over the changes year to year. Just give a little bit more opportunity for processing before questions. With that, I do want, because I think the question of long- term financing, it's helpful for this committee to have, or the commission have a long-term big picture, even touching on some of the ideas of what that might be in the future. Because when I read this, and I want clarity, if you just look at the budget overview, it looks like there's a positive cash flow of $1.2 million, which looks great. But when you back up and look at the capital demands, that exceeds that amount. And that capital amount, that capital project difference is taken from, I believe, an RDA reserve fund. Is that correct? And then having an idea of, because you look at this, you 're like, yeah, this looks pretty good. But in the big picture, we're actually drawing on reserves, which won't last forever, which goes back to the question about what's the long-term. So I think that's my feedback to staff, and I don't know if the commission has any shared thoughts on that, but I would suggest that for future. Thank you. It would be great to have additional dialogue to help flesh it out and stimulate conversation, as you say. Shall we move it to the next meeting and have staff come back with additional information? That's on you guys. You're the advisory commission. So I think one question might be helpful is, what is the budget timeline and how does that facilitate with? Yeah, for purposes of timeline, right, it's important for this commission to move it forward so that council can stay in line and improve their overall budget in time. I think it's definitely something we can bring back to show or to discuss the particulars of the numbers. There is not a lot of area where it can be revised for purposes of housing. It's pretty tight in terms of what's included in there. We also have national court here, right, which are a big component of their budget that they submit. And so they're able to be part of that presentation and answer questions. But we're more than happy to bring back to discuss what's included in there. But it is important for timeline purposes for it to move forward. Okay. Are we prepared to submit a vote today on this? And Madam Chair, I'll offer it. And staff's not going to like me for this. As the chairwoman, you can call a special meeting. If for some reason the commission feels it needs, absolutely needs another look at this, you can call a special meeting in a week or two just to keep on that timeline. That's within your power. And we are available right now to walk through the budget if you want us to go line by line. It's not in the form of a presentation, but we're more than able and willing to spend the time we have in this meeting to pull it up and go through. Attachment one is, which Kalina had pulled up, is a five- page overview, which really provides a summary of it. So maybe, Kalina, if you want to pull it up and go through it, and we can go through it that way and see what questions comes from. Excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm afraid I opened a can of worms. I thought I was asking a procedural question. I'm sorry. I seem to have precipitated more discussion about the budget proper. To clarify, my question is explicitly about the long-term funding resource to sustain the reserve fund as opposed to the budget elements in the current budget proposal. Thank you. Appreciate that. And I overlooked this, but you said part of this cash flow is from the reserve. Did I hear that correctly or wrong? Well, right. So when you look at the budget overview, it shows a net positive cash flow. But when you look through some of the other documents, you see that there's additional capital improvements to the properties that are not in this specific budget. So when you look at that, when you just look at the pure cash flow, it looks like it's cash flowing positively. But when you step back, it's a net drain on the city to the tune of about, I don't know, 1.8 million or so. Thank you. And that's not very healthy. Are we prepared to make a vote on this today? And perhaps come back with additional questions for clarification if needed? Move to approve. I seconded. I have a motion by Buller, seconded by Sadiq. Commissioner Dawkin, or I'm sorry, Commissioner Moore? To approve the budget? Yes. Yes. Nay. Commissioner Pyle? Yes. Commissioner Morrison? Nay. Vice Chair Buller? Yes. And Chair Sadiq? Yes. Motion carries 3-2. You were a yes. Yes. Correct. Okay. Please feel free to come back with any additional questions or clarification that you need. Staff is available to provide that information in the future if needed. And so we will move on to our informational reports, and that will be National Corp. You have quite a presentation. We've been gone a while. Good afternoon. My name is Nora Brady, and I will be presenting to... You hear me now? You hear me now? Good. Thank you. Okay, good afternoon. My name is Nora Brady. I'm the Regional Manager for National Corp. And today I will be presenting the National Corp monthly reports. I will begin with December of 2025 monthly lease report. For our monthly occupancy, for our multifamily occupancy, we have 701 of 733 units occupied. 32 are currently vacant. And we have 22 pending applications for lease. For our senior occupancy, we're at 96%. We have 372 occupied units. Of the 381. And we are near capacity of fulfilling that, those leasing obligations. December. Yes, I'm sorry. I'll now move down to the average rent summary by income category. Our multifamily average rent is 873. It's down from 1057 in November. The income is due to the mixed shift of income levels that residents qualify for. For our senior average rent, it's 785. It is down from 963 in November. And now I'll move down to our financial performance. For our multifamily NOI, our total revenue was 563,000. Our expenses were 609,000. So we were negative 46.3K for that month. For our senior NOI, our revenue was 223,000. And our expenses were 319,000. So we were also 96.3K for that month. I will now move to January. Our monthly occupancy for multifamily was 94%. We have 700 of the 733 units. Excuse me. Can I interrupt? Yes. So is there an explanation for the negatives? So the only explanation, so we were currently in contract with Mohawk flooring for our NTEs. So the not to exceed. We did have a few turnovers that required flooring. And so we did have to go out to bid for additional costs on that flooring. So it was a little bit more than we anticipated the budget. But we should fall in line for the rest of the year. We're working on that option currently. Okay. And where was I? Okay. Moving down to the senior occupancy. We have 372. I'm sorry. In January. Sorry. Senior occupancy is 371 of 300 units occupied. For our average rent summary by income category, our multi- average rent is $873. We've stayed stable from December 2025. And for our senior average rent is $789, up from $785 in December. The financial performance for January for our multifamily, our revenue was $450,000. Our expenses were $306, with a revenue up of $148,000. For our senior property, our revenue was $199,000. And our expenses were $140,000, lower than the previous month. Any questions? Any questions? Moving down to February for our monthly occupancy status. We are 93% multifamily occupancy. We are down to 698 of 733 units occupied. 35 are vacant. And 15 are pending applications to lease. For our senior occupancy, we are 96%. We have 374 rented units of the 381 units occupied. For our average rent summary by income category, our multif amily average rent is 781, down from 871 in January. And it's driven by the income mix. And it's stable from month over month versus January. For our financial performance, for our multifamily NOI, our revenue was $541,000. And our expenses were $449,000 with an increase in revenue of 92.6K. For our senior properties, our revenue was $216,000. And our expenses were $201,000 with an operational increase of $15,200,000. And that is all I have for today. Do you have any additional questions? Yeah. You know, I was looking at the revenue and expenses from the multifamily and senior. Is it because individuals who are senior and are just mostly either married or by themselves? And is that why some of the expenses are lower on their end ? Or is it because multifamily is multiple people, multiple incomes, and things like that? I just wanted to know, like, when it comes to the net operating income and total expenses, obviously, between the difference between the multifamily and the senior. So currently, the multifamily average rent is a little bit lower than we've anticipated for the budget. And that does go off of the qualifications of the households. So if you have multiple residents in a unit, then the income limit would actually be at a different level. So that's how we coordinate how your rents are going to be summarized. And then so we'll go from there. Does that answer your question? No. Okay. What can, okay. What do you need? He's asking about expenses. So, oh, for expenses. Yeah, no. And the reason why I was wondering is because, obviously, the total expenses is obviously more in a multifamily. In a senior unit, it's still $139,000. But then again, in my job field with the seniors, most of the seniors are mostly by themselves or they're married and stuff like that. So I wanted to understand what, why was the expenses really only a $59,000 difference compared to the multifamily. That's really what I was concerned about. That's all. Like when it comes to expenses, like what are the seniors doing to get more expenses than obviously the multifamily? That's where my confusion is at. So for seniors, they'll be long-term seniors and they'll probably have lived in that unit for multiple years. And so the expenses in that unit will probably be a full unit turnover compared to if we expense someone who lived in a family community and they live there one to two years and there's not significant turnover expenses. And during that turnover, where are the seniors staying at? Are they still living on property in a different unit or is it just these seniors are just kind of just there while you guys are renovating or putting expenses in their houses? Or their apartments, excuse me. So when I say unit turnover, this is when a resident in a senior community has moved out. So once we have to incur those expenses, if they've lived there for over three to five years or five to ten years, the damages or the replacement of a carpet or vinyl plank or the overall expense of the turnover of the unit is going to be more expensive. So if a senior has been there for a few years and they're having challenges with their carpet, XYZ, could they contact the upper management and say, hey, what's going on? Do you guys go in there and kind of adjust that situation for them? Or just say, hey, you know, wait till you guys move out before you guys start making those changes for them? So it would be determined per occupant. So if it was something that was a reasonable accommodation, then yes, we would offer that for them. So yes, we would fix the damages that they're addressing. One more question. Reasonable occupant. Can you describe what reasonable is? So let's say you have so let's say they had carpet and they are in a wheelchair and they need a flat surface. So they're requesting a reasonable accommodation for flat surface flooring. That would be a reasonable accommodation to their disability. And then some we have maybe they might need a unit tub conversion because they can no longer get in the tub with with the with the standard tub. They need a walk in. So that would be an expense that we would. Give them. One mundane question. What do you consider the minimum age of a senior? So our properties are 55 or better. OK. And do you have the activities, any activities in the past three months? OK, I have. Excuse me, Commissioner Morrison here. I have a question regarding the replacement of carpeting when a tenant has passed away and has basically moved out and the carpet needs to be replaced. How important is that to put another tenant in that apartment if you hold back the replacement of the carpet? We would we would we would change out the carpet to do flo oring if it's been a significant amount of time. So if it's been past the. I think what is a significant significant part of time? The apartment has been vacant for two months and we have had people looking at that apartment to move in. But it can't be moved into until the carpet is replaced. So what is a significant amount of time to replace the carpet? So we are replacing the carpet right now. We've been on hold due to our NTE exceeding. And so we've had to go out for short term contracts. So that has taken a time lapse in getting the carpets changed out. But we are fully moving forward in a different process of getting that done. OK, because the reason why I'm asking is because you have lost the revenue on that apartment being rented for over two months because the carpet hasn't been replaced. Correct. Correct. Correct. So why is not the carpet being replaced? So, again, we exceeded our NTEs. And right now we were doing short form contracts and we had to submit approval for those. So there is a process for that. Oh, OK. Thank you. And I just I want to add Sandra Verano with National Corps just to give a little more information. We're not waiting a certain amount of time to when a unit becomes vacant to start the carpet replacement. If it's warranted, we are starting that process as soon as we get the unit back in possession. So it's it's not intentional. We're not waiting a certain amount of period till the carpet gets replaced. We start the process. It just unfortunately has been slow. And yes, costing the property money. But we are working towards getting faster on those carpet replacements and the flooring replacements. So we don't expect that in the future. Can you NTEs? My mind is drawing a blank. Could you tell me what NTEs are? NTEs? Excuse by the way, ma'am. Not to exceed. So we have contracted amounts that we are budgeted for. And so we have exceeded those. And now we are going out for contract. And that happened back in December because that's when I asked you about the negatives. And you said because of the flooring. Yeah. So then it's been a few months. And I'm sure that you guys are great management companies. And cleaning the carpet has been an option. And that's not an option. So replacing it is required. OK. Well, thank you. Do we have any more questions? OK. I see on the agenda that you wanted to discuss the residential activities. We're going to pull up the PowerPoint. Thank you. So we did consolidate since we had to push out the meetings a little bit. But we did consolidate our last few months of resident relation activities. We did have an outside gathering for our holiday event back in December and November. La Serena San La Roca. We had an indoor holiday meal with the residents for November and December as well. They also celebrated birthdays. This was done in January and in February. Catalina, Pueblo, Sagecrest, and Candlewood. We had resident events for the holiday season, November and December. They played some bingo. We also had in February a Valentine's Day get-together for the residents where they also did bingo and got some gifts. There's our Valentine's Day bingo. Carlos Ortega. So this manager put together a holiday meal for her residents in November and December. And then in January, I believe this was, they did a 10-year celebration. We did have family members of Carlos Ortega show up to the event, which was really nice. It was really emotional for the family and the residents really did enjoy it as well. So the property's been open for 10 years. Yeah. And that would be it. Any questions? Yes. Could you tell me what the designated amount is for the resident community funds are for the different properties? I don't currently have that breakdown in front of me. We can definitely get back to you with that for current budget and this next upcoming budget. If you would like that breakdown. Yes, please. Okay. And I do have a question also. When these events and activities are planned for the different properties, are they putting up flyers in the community room or something to that effect? Is that the only advertising? So they do advertise it in the community rooms. They should also be placing flyers door to door. But all common areas should have a posting of the flyer. And we also have the call max. And the call max. What is that? It's an outgoing message system to residents who've opted in for text messaging or emails. Okay. The car max and also the laundry rooms and verbally letting the tenants know that there is a function coming up. Yes. Yes, that is currently happening. Thank you. Yeah, I think it's great because, you know, like I just got a message. It's kind of hilarious. It says management has been notified of pet waste. And if you're not being disposed of properly, obviously, this is a group message. If you have been identified, you will receive a three-day notice. What does that mean? I mean, it's not directed at me, but I would love to know if a resident asks me, am I getting evicted because someone said I didn't pick up a dog poop? Again, I'm not saying that's going to happen, but I just want to make sure if a resident does ask me, I give them the correct answer. So residents are responsible for their pets and they have a pet addendum that they do sign. So if we do identify that it was their pet that did do the waste and they did not clean it up, then yes, they will be served a violation. Yes, they'll be evicted or yes, they'll be served a violation. Oh, just violation. We'll give them a cure. Yeah. Yes. A warning. A violation is sometimes. Yeah, they'll want them to say, hey, you got to go because you forgot to. Yeah, I mean, it's nice. But if it's multiple, we try to work with the resident to get it and it usually works with the letter. Just a reminder of your responsibilities as a resident. Okay. Let's move on. The city staff will provide updates. Till we have a staff update, please. The summary of the city council and housing authority actions. Yes. I'll give, I want to highlight a couple updates from the city council that were done over some of the meetings in between the last commission meeting. Great importance, city council adopted goals. They had a goal setting session and then established six goals to the city council that I thought it's worthwhile to read to this commission. Goal one being mall redevelopment and family friendly activation. Goal two, citywide economic activation and events. Goal three, North Palm Desert and university area development. Goal four, community resilience and climate strategy. Goal five, clean, safe and attractive city standards. And goal six, community engagement and civic identity. So those were adopted by city council. I also wanted to note, I'm sure you all are aware, but still want to note for the record, Mr. Andrew Firestein, who was the housing commissioner since July 2024, has submitted his resignation and is formalized. So he's no longer on this commission, but did want to know and thank him for his service on this commission. And he'll be missed. He has a new job, if you're not aware. So last time, so following up, there were some inquiries from this commission from the last meeting. And I have a rundown of notes. And happy to chat offline on any follow up on those. But going to go through, again, some of the questions that came up from the commission and responses to them. So there was one item of asking staff why two applications were denied or deemed ineligible for the HIP program. One applicant did not provide all the required information requested by staff. And another applicant, actually both applicants, sorry, were both unable to provide required information to determine eligibility. So there's strict eligibility requirements that are required. One of them dealt with, you know, the quotes that they received from AC companies. And so as we go through this application process, so that's why two of them were denied. We're still working with applicants. One of them is going to have to reapply due to the length of time. But we still work with them to try to get them through that process. Next topic was about our affordable first-time homebuyer program. So we have Desert Rose and Falcon Crest. So Desert Rose was developed in 1994 to be an affordable home community. It includes 161 single-family homes near Cook Street and Fred Waring Drive. The homes are ranging from 1,100 to 1,300 square feet. And it has shared amenities. The Desert Rose homes, they typically have a 30-year afford ability covenant. Although some of them do have a 45-year restriction recorded. If the home is resold or non-compliant with the covenant, then the repayment of the loan is required. Falcon Crest is a pretty similar story. That was developed in 2004 with 93 single-family homes. Through both of these projects, there was a partnership with the Palm Desert Redevelopment Agency, so the RDA for gap financing. The Falcon Crest homes carry a 45-year recorded covenant. And, you know, the covenant has its repayment terms within there. Excuse me. Are they only purchased through a loan? Must there be a mortgage? Yes. Okay. They can't just, like if somebody got an inheritance and I want to buy this place, but this is all the money I have, that's not a thing. I mean, you have to have a loan. Debt is required. I'm not sure if we're on cash offer, to be honest with you. I mean, that's basically what that is, how that would work. I would assume somebody who can afford to buy a house in cash doesn't need affordable housing assistance. Unless it was a one-time inheritance. Sure. Yes. So there was a question on what's the status of the Coach ella Valley Housing Coalition, CVHC. They constructed 14 affordable homes under the self-help program for very low and low-income households. Homes were built on land conveyed to the project that were originally owned by the city. So it was originally city-owned property that were then conveyed to them. Completion of all the properties was done in 2024. The city, as well as CVHC, provided gap loans and grant financing. There's an affordability covenant on each property. So that's some of the basics. Again, as mentioned previously, if there's something, a specific item you want for the agenda for staff to come up with, we can. Otherwise, we're also always available to answer detailed or important questions offline or within a meeting as we can. Thank you for that. City Council liaison. The home improvement program activity report is the receiving file. Carlos gave an excellent report that covers pretty much everything I can offer. I'll go a little further as we head into budget season. One thing that you may have heard about is the library. We're working. We started construction or destruction of the building there. Now, we actually had to part ways with the contractor because their estimate came in much higher. So we're actually out to look for another contractor to build the library and looking to keep it within our $30 million budget. It's important to note that we have a very full capital improvement plan. And as we're seeing with the library and some other things, we have a median project we're excited to do. And the price tag for that came back at $35 million. So we're seeing projects cost more. And I think through this budget cycle, what we'll see is council having to take a realistic look at our capital improvement plan and thinking through how we're going to proceed in a way that's fiscally responsible. Because where we're seeing that and then we're also seeing here where we just need long-term sustainable funding for our programs. So I just wanted to make that last observation that all that we're doing is it's a lot of good stuff. And it comes with a price tag. And we have to figure out how to fund that for the long term. I have a question about the library. I recall that the lease for the land was up. Is that what I remember being said before? Yeah, so our lease with the College of the Desert is going to expire. And I forget how soon. It's in the next 29, I believe, 28 or 29. Ms. Buehler sits on the committee. So our lease is up and they want that building for their own programming. So that's not the building that's being destructed. It's the Parkview building across the parking lot here. Okay. Oh, I saw that when I came in. Okay. So that will be the location of our future library. What is there now? I assumed office building. Office space. Correct. Okay. Okay. It'll be a very beautiful civic center with everything right here. Sounds good. Okay. Thank you very much for that. Now, the commissioners may briefly offer comments relevant to the commissioners smoke to the commission scope or purpose items proposed items for the future agenda. I think we did that. I think we did that. And if anyone else has any proposals that receive support from at least one or the other members may be placed on future agenda for discussion and possible action. No formal action will be taken at this time. No formal action will be taken at this time. Does anyone have anything else they want to comment, discuss, or have put on the agenda? I would love to know your name, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Is the increase on... Please introduce yourself. A question, Commissioner Morrison. Is the... Excuse me. Is the increase on the library because of the raise of the tariffs? Or is it because the contractor is looking for more money for what he had already established as a proposal? As highlighted in the staff report to the city council, it stems largely from differences in opinion from the contractor who's going to build it and the architect who designed it and what certain materials and labor should cost. Okay. So that was different than what was proposed and accepted by the city? So I'll... This is all public, so I'm not speaking out of turn. But in the staff report, the architect designed... Submitted some design elements that the builder estimated to cost far more, saying that they would be custom orders. The architect suggested that it could be done through a prefabbed manufacturing process that would save significant amount of money. That and some other disagreements led to the decision to find another contractor that the architect could work better within budget with. Okay. Thank you. Yep. And you said that information is public. Where would you be able to access that? It's in the city council agendas. Okay. Okay. Would you please introduce yourself? Hello, everyone. My name is Leslie McCree. I am new to the city. I am serving as the housing management analyst in the Development Services Center. What do you do? What does that mean? I am everything housing. So I'll be here in your housing commission meetings. I'll be responding to housing requests, anything that relates to housing. Overseeing the property management company. Everything that's housing. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Glad to have you. Thank you. Welcome. And with that, I call the meeting to adjournment. One question. Is Leslie with National Corps or is she with the city? The city. I'm with the city. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Welcome aboard. Thank you. With that, I'll call the meeting to adjournment. 420. Thank you. We'll see you at the next meeting, May 13th.