Arcata, California

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This acknowledgment seeks to aid in dismantling the legacy narratives of settler colonialism. Next, we'll begin with a roll call. Staff, will you please call roll? Yeah, Commissioner Lehman? Here. Commissioner Hamm? Here. And Vice Chair and Chair Pro Tem Strickland? Here. And then I'd also like to call on Commissioner Starr, one of our new appointments. And you have to push your button. There you go. I'm very happy to be here. I'm a long-term Humboldt County resident and bring a population health lens to this work. I am very excited to serve the city of Arcata. And also recently appointed Commissioner Hawkins. Yes, President. Pleasure to be here. And I look forward to serving the people of Arcata. Thank you. Welcome to you both. Next on our agenda will be oral communications. During this time, people may make comments about items that are not on the agenda. If you wish to speak on one of our agenda items, you will have an opportunity when we are discussing those items. If you have comments about items that are not listed on our agenda today, please line up now behind the lectern. If you are on Zoom and you wish to make comments on matters that are not on today's agenda, please raise your hand by selecting the raised hand icon on the right side of your screen. Or by pressing star 9 on your phone. The clerk will unmute you when it's your turn to speak. With that, I'd like to open public comment. Each speaker will have three minutes to comment during early oral communications. Feel free to state your name for the record. May we have the first speaker, please. Is anyone on Zoom, David? No, we have no one on Zoom. Okay. Seeing no one in the room, we will move on to item 3, which is the consent calendar. We have two items on the consent calendar today. One is to approve the planning commission meetings from planning commission minutes from our regular meeting on May 26, 2026. And the second item is to approve planning commission minutes for the regular meeting on June 9, 2026. I will now accept public comment on the consent calendar. Is there anyone who wishes to make comment? You can stand up now. And is there anyone online? Okay. Seeing none. Okay. Seeing none. Seeing none. Is there a motion to accept the consent calendar? I move to accept the minutes from the commission meeting on May 26 and June 9. I second. All right. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All righty. So next we'll move on to items removed from consent. Let's see. We don't have any items removed from consent today. So we'll move on to number five, which would be public hearings. We have one public hearing item tonight. That would be to approve a minor use permit for contrast therapy and sauna manufacturing at 40 South G Street. Can we begin with a staff report? And Chair, I need to recuse myself from this meeting due to a conflict of interest. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Chair. Tonight is a continued public hearing on this item that was continued from your last meeting. At the last meeting, the commission asked for certain information that the applicant is still working on to provide on the emissions of the stoves that are proposed for the saunas to be used and manufactured on the site. And so they are actually asking for a continuation again to allow time to gather that information and submit it. And so I'd recommend that the planning commission take any public comment on the item, if there is any, and then you can go ahead and move to continue from that point forward. I'd be happy to answer any questions that the commission may have about the process or any other items that you may have, and then pick a date for you to continue the item to. It would be good just to confirm with the applicant that they're willing to continue requesting to continue and to a date certain. we have a colleague who does not have any questions, but we don't have any questions. Zachary Bondrack, the proponent, is in the room as is his agent online. Okay, thank you, David. Before we move to public comment on this item, do we have any questions or comments from any commissioners? Okay, seeing none, we will open public comment. And like we were saying earlier, there's three minutes for folks who want to public comment. So let's go ahead. Drickland and commissioners and David. My name is Joel Yodowicz. I'm a property and business owner here in Arcata. I think the staff report was very comprehensive. What strikes me as most significant in this matter is the general plan requirements, particularly the prohibition of wood burning. the city. And that goes for both the saunas and the, I guess the staff report said, well, maybe not the production of equipment that's sold elsewhere. But I think that would violate the spirit. And just kicking the matter to some other jurisdiction that may be more lenient and more tolerant of emissions in their air. I don't think that is a prudent posture for the, for the city to take. I didn't see that there was an application for a general plan amendment. So I don't know how the applicant gets, gets around at all, using wood burning appliances within the city. So I am supportive of the city's position as set forth in the staff report. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Do we have anyone online, David? We do not. Okay. And seeing no one else in there. I do. I'm sorry. I do want to mention that there was a written communication that we received that I forwarded to each of your emails. I have copies of that here tonight. Put copies on the desk for you. And then we also uploaded that to our website that shows the, the agenda items so that the public can review it. Great. Thank you, David. Okay. Seeing no other public comment online or in the room, we will close a public comment and bring it back to, or actually before we bring it back to the commission, would the applicant like to comment on the continuance? You know, with the seriousness of the matter, I would like to continue to collect a little bit more information to present to the board. And I think we should have that. I'm hoping around early August, if possible, for that form of continuance. And yeah, I hope you can do that in consideration. Okay. So August 11th would be the first opportunity in August. Does that work for you? I'm getting confirmation, excuse me, from your agent that that works for them. Okay. Did you say you received confirmation from his agent that it worked for them? Yeah, I did. I sent a text and sounds like they're okay with August 11th. Okay, great. So with that, we'll bring it back to the commission. We right now have the opportunity to continue the project to our meeting on August 11th. Are there any comments or questions from the commission? Yeah, I'd like to make a comment. Mr. Bondarek, you said in your last presentation that the stoves were so efficient that four pounds of wood would heat the sauna. And I think that's a great question. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Just procedurally, if you'd like the applicant to come back to the mic and ask them questions, I think that's acceptable. But also, we are going to have a whole continued hearing on this. So it might be good to contain the question. You know, the comments in that meeting. Certainly, if you'd like him to come up and address this. That's fine. Yeah, I mean, you're more than welcome to ask questions. But just, I just want to be cognizant of the back and forth kind of questions that you'd like to ask. That's fine. Yeah, I mean, you're more than welcome to ask questions. 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Thank you. or take action on items not listed on the agenda the council may respond to statements there will also be time to provide public comments specific to each item when that item is being reviewed by council please make your way up to the podium now greetings my name is Joanne McGarry and I'm physically hurting a bit so I might not be able to stay to the end so you get just two minutes of my speaking here I was given back this book about climate issues and I'm going to be looking at it tonight and thinking about how our community can proceed in a really creative and inviting way and promoting everyone to take part in making a difference a positive difference in the community when it comes to climate action and the environment I took the bus today as I do often I've ridden my e-bike I walk a lot although I'm hurting right now so I do think that we should as community be promoting especially at events alternative ways to get there alternative ways to wine and dine so to speak or drink beer and oysters and all those things in terms of going further than just disposable compostable single-use and really getting into the reuse component yesterday was work yes yesterday was refill world refill day and I went to the co-op and refilled my containers with nuts and chocolate and stuff and things like that so you know there's more I could say but I really do want the city of Arcata when we talk about committees and commissions to think about a peace and justice and I think that's a great question and I think that's a great question and I think that's a great question thank you for your comment do we have anyone else in person that would like to make a public comment if not do we have anyone on zoom there's no one on zoom all right thank you that brings us to the consent calendar all matters on the consent calendar are considered to be routine by the city council and are enacted in one motion there is no separate discussion of any of these items if discussion is required that item is removed from the consent calendar and considered separately a approve wave reading of text and consent to read by title only for any ordinance on this agenda b approve the minutes of the city council special meeting of june 3rd 2026 c approve the minutes of city council meeting of june 23rd excuse me 3rd of 2026 d bi-weekly report on disbursements e make a continued finding that emergency procurement to repair filed culvert at 4700 west end road is necessary and authorize the city manager to execute all applicable applicable documents f approve the project plans and award a contract for the first street lift station improvement project to whalen construction incorporated in the amount of of one million six hundred and sixty nine nine hundred and six one million six hundred and ninety six six hundred and fifty dollars adopted categorical sequa exemption and approved necessary and associated related actions g adopt resolution number two five six dash seven zero approving a letter of agreement between the city of arcada and operating engineers local two to amend the 2025 through 2027 memorandum of understanding regarding medical benefits and authorize the city manager to execute all documents, H, approve a contract amendment with SHN consulting engineers for $20,870 for environmental support services around phase one of the Arcata Wastewater Treatment Facilities Upgrade Project and authorize the city manager to execute all applicable documents. I approve purchase of valves from Frank A. Olson Company for the First Street Lift Station Improvement Project in the amount of $89,505.58 and approve necessary related actions. J, award a research contract in the amount of $89,300 to Cal Poly Humboldt Sponsored Programs Foundation for Academic Engineering Services at the Arcata Wastewater Treatment Facility and approve necessary associated related actions. K, authorize the purchase of three AVTECH radio dispatch consoles from the day wireless systems in the amount of $169,549 and authorize the city manager to execute all applicable documents. And L, approve a contract amendment in the amount of $307,482 to GHD Incorporated for the additional engineering and design services for the U.S. 101 Sunset Avenue Interchange Improvements Project and authorize the city manager to execute all applicable documents. M, approve a contract amendment with Corolla Engineers in the sum of $310,100 for construction management and inspection services for the phase one Arcata Wastewater Treatment Facilities Upgrade Project and authorize the city manager to execute all documents. Whew! Would any council member or staff like to remove an item from the consent calendar? I'd like to remove F, please. Okay. Do we have any members of the public waiting to comment on any consent calendar items? If so, please line up at the podium now or raise your hand on Zoom for public comment on the consent calendar. Go ahead, please. Hi, my name is Joanne McGarry, and I looked at this extensive consent calendar and had the opportunity to speak to the city manager prior to this meeting about my concern on huge dollar amounts being discussed on the consent calendar. And we agreed that it sometimes is difficult when there's so much on the agenda to try and take huge dollar items out of a consent calendar. But hopefully we can find ways so that people can better understand what we're spending money on, where we're getting that money, and why we need to do what we're doing with that money. And I would be happy to work with people to figure out a better way to present information to the public on these kinds of heavy-duty, highly expensive projects that I understand can be quite necessary to take place. But I just want to say out loud again, consent calendar items should hopefully not be on big-ticket items, and we should have an opportunity to discuss them. Thank you for your comment. Do we have any other members in the public who'd like to speak on this item? If not, do we have anyone on Zoom? Yes, we have one hand on Zoom. Thank you. Dan, please go ahead. Hey, counsel. Just want to second what Joanne McGarry just said. When we've got huge dollar items, I mean, we're talking about some of these items are over a million dollars, and many of them are tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. It probably makes sense to treat them as separate line items, and it's absolutely something that you should consider in order to provide more transparency into these issues, especially in a time when we have looming budget issues. Oops. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. There is nobody else? Okay, thank you. So do we have a motion to adopt the consent calendar with the exception of item F? So move. I will second. So we have a motion from Council Member Stillman and a second from Council Member Schaefer. If there's no discussion on the motion before we vote, any? Okay. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. And I say aye, so passes unanimously. All right. F, here we go. Sure. I just, I only pulled it because of the high dollar item. I thought people might want to know, so thank you. Great. So the First Street Improvement Project is for a key sewer facility. It's located in the South G Street neighborhood at Rotary Park. And in the winter, it's an essential facility that really brings wastewater all the way from Bayside and Sunnybray over and to the wastewater treatment facility. It is composed of very outdated pumps, in particular natural gas pumps. And many in the neighborhood could likely attest when we have higher rains and that station is running a lot, it is very loud. So that is one impact to the neighborhood. The other impact is really that our staff no longer can purchase parts to make repairs because they're that outdated. This has been a capital improvement program project for many years, at least over five or six. With all the other infrastructure priorities, we really finally got a chance this past fiscal year to finalize the designs. So that will upgrade the pumps to electrical pumps. That will be, you know, in alignment with our shifting towards reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. And also have a much more reliable sewer facility, in particular of staying in compliance with our sewer collection system and hopefully better outcomes for the neighborhood as well. This is to approve the plans. And then we also put out a bid for construction. Fortunately, we got good bids that came in, you know, within range of our engineer's estimate. And we're really excited to move the project forward. And we're working on a tight timeline to try to make progress before the next winter. Thank you, Emily. And just one additional comment for Councilmember Atkins-Alazar. We are looking very closely at items. And as I mentioned in a conversation with Ms. McGarry earlier, we are looking at any items over $200,000. And if they're anything but routine, we're trying to pull those. We had a packed agenda. So tonight was a little bit different than what you've been seeing where we've been pulling items of higher dollar amounts off. And so I just wanted to let the council and the public know that we do hear that. And generally, we're trying to follow a rule to bring higher dollar amount items as separate business items. And so we hear the council. We hear the community on that. And we're making an effort to do that. Thank you for that. Yeah. I did add up the dollar amount for the full consent calendar. And it's $2,683,000 on the consent calendar, which is a lot. And I know I had a conversation with you about this as well. And I know that in the staff report, for these items, it does call out specifically where it comes out of the budget and whether it's already been budgeted for and whether it's general fund or from an enterprise fund. So I do appreciate that. I do know that not everybody has a chance to look through the agenda packet. So I just would encourage people to keep calling it out and making public comment. So thank you. Great. Great. I'll make a motion to adopt item F from the consent calendar. Second. Okay. Second. We have a motion from council vice mayor. Sorry. Go ahead. I just want to make sure we invite public comment. Yes. I apologize. Thank you for that reminder. Yeah. Are you asking me if there's anybody on Zoom? Yeah. No, there's not. Okay. Great. All right. So we have a motion from vice mayor at consulsor and a motion. Second motion from council member Alex Stillman. If we have no other comments, then all those in favor. Aye. Aye. I say aye. So motion passes. Great. Okay. Old business. We have a public hearing for closeout of Arcadis Community Development Block Grant. The CDBG Grant number 22CBDPL20035. Accomplishment, discumbrance, and acceptance of the Valley West Neighborhood Center Assessment. Can we have a staff report from Director of Community Development, David Loya, please? Yeah. Good evening, mayor and council members. This is largely a procedural matter. As you recall from a few months ago, the council accepted the Valley West report. In trying to closeout the grant, the CDBG program requested that we submit a resolution. So we're bringing it back for your adoption of the resolution. Be happy to answer any questions and take public comment. Do we have any questions right now from council? Otherwise, I will open up a public hearing to see if we have any members of the public waiting to comment on this item. I just want to say that the document, the assessment itself, I guess, is just, it's a good read. It's very comprehensive. There's a lot of great info in there. And it's really good to just see all the community engagement that was done. And it's really well prepared. So if folks listening out there saying, what are these guys talking about? Even though we've talked about it a bunch of times, I recommend reading the assessment. It's a full, a lot of good info. I wish they would have spent a little bit of time in how we might have been able to fund all those wonderful ideas. But I guess that's the next steps. That's the next steps. And I think I read that we didn't fulfill our obligation when we had this on our agenda before, that we didn't have a resolution to close out this grant. That's correct. We've already adopted this plan. We just need to adopt it by resolution so that we could submit that for closing out the grant. So thank you. Go ahead. My name is Joanne McGarry. Oops. Thank you for these hearing devices. It really helps. CDBG, again, I'm here and I'm starting to get it and starting to learn how this all works. And I'm here and I'm here and I'm here and I'm here. And I'm here for the first time. I'm here for the second time. So we have a lot of people who are working on that. And I'm here for the second time. So we have a lot of people who are working on the grant. And I'm here for the second time. 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And I just want to add, I was, yeah, really impressed with Wendy's healthcare background. And that's something that our planning commission definitely doesn't have right now. Or maybe even has ever really had. And I think, you know, her work in population healthcare sounded really interesting. For being a part of the commission. So I would second that one. And I totally agree. And I think it's going to be something that will be beneficial for us to have on our commission. Thank you. So do we have it. Are we going to go one at a time then? Yeah. So do we have any members of the public wanting to comment on this item in person? Do we have anybody online? There's no one online. Okay. So do we want to do this in two separate motions? Okay. So we have a motion from council member Stillman and we have a second from council member Schaefer. So if there's no other discussion before we vote, all members in favor? Aye. Aye. I say aye. So motion passes. That will bring us then to appoint a one term member ending March 31st, 2027. And I would like to make a motion to appoint Justin Baum-Hawkins to a planning commission term expiring March 31st, 2027. Second. So we have a motion from council member Matthews and a second from council member Stillman. Any further discussion before we vote? Okay. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. And I say aye. Aye. And so that'll be for the term March 31st, 2027. Yeah. I'd like to ask to see if we have any public comment also from this second item. Would we be doing that or is it the first one is good enough? Okay. Perfect. All right. So then all those in favor of aye, I say aye. Motion passes. Aye. All right. I just want to thank everyone again. It was a really tough decision. I wish that we had four openings for all four because all were superior qualified. And I hope that you come back and apply again. We have other opportunities. So again, thank you everyone for your timing. Totally agree. Yeah. Yeah. That will bring us then to public hearing to consider adopting resolution number 256-75 confirming the report of a 2025 lean letter recipients of delinquent garbage account fees. Can we have a staff report from director of environmental services, Emily Benvy. Sure. Good evening, council. This is a, not the most fun staff report, but it is an annual process that the council undergoes related to liens for delinquent garbage accounts. And so we bring this to council pretty much June of every year. This relates to customers or account holders within city limits who have service with Recology and are delinquent in paying those garbage bills. And so the process generally is that account holders are notified or, and or owners, if the owners are different than the account holders, they're notified of their delinquent account on a monthly or bimonthly basis, depending on if it's commercial or residential, that there's a delinquency. So that notification continues to happen. And then accounts that don't get brought up to current or get paid from the last calendar year get moved forward into the lean process, as we call it, at the shorthand. And so what that means is folks get a letter saying that the account is delinquent, there will be a public hearing. And if the accounts aren't brought current or paid up by X date, then the amount that is overdue gets placed on the tax bill effectively with the Humboldt County Assessor's Office and the delinquency is collected that way. So that process starts generally every April of every year. Folks are given the opportunity to pay before being forwarded to city council. At this point, there is about $28,000 total. Let's see, I have this on hand. Probably less than 50 accounts. So it's a fairly substantial amount of accounts that are still owing garbage bills. They'll still have the opportunity to pay up until August 1st. And then after that August 1st date, that amount would be forwarded on to the assessor for collection via the property tax process if they continue to remain outstanding. So again, it's a bit of a lengthy process. And certainly folks are given many opportunities to pay before that lien process. And this is sort of the final step in that process that authorizes the city to have the delinquent accounts placed on that property tax collectors bill for assessment. Thank you, Emily. All right. Do we have any questions or comments from council? Otherwise, I will now open. Well, I just, I want to share what it's like. You know, I had a tenant that wasn't paying their garbage bill. So every month I got a notice from the garbage company, my tenant is not paying their garbage bill. Every month I go talk to them about it and how they could pay a portion of it. And so I just want you to know if that's the way it happens. And so it's just, it can be quite annoying for the property owner because eventually the property owner is going to be assessed to pay that property, the garbage bill for a tenant that doesn't pay it. So I just wanted to share that with you all. Fortunately, it got paid so I don't have to pay it. But who I kept saying, I don't want to have this in delinquency. I don't want to have it at the council coming forward to the council. So I got her finally to do it. Okay. I will now open the public hearing. Do we have any members of the public waiting to comment on this item? If not, do we have anyone online virtually? There's no one online. Okay. Any final comments right now or a motion from council? Yeah, I'll make a motion to adopt resolution number 256-75 confirming the report of the 2025 delinquent garbage account fees for lien. I will second. Go ahead. I will second. Okay. So we have a motion from council member Schaefer, a second from vice mayor at Kinselsar. All those in favor? Aye. And I vote aye. So motion passes. Thank you again, Emily. All right. So that brings us to item C public hearing to consider establishing the fiscal year 2026-27 appropriations limit or the GAN limit by GAN limit, excuse me, by adopting resolution number 256-73. Can we have a staff report from assistant city manager and our finance director, Tabitha Miller, please? Yes. Give me just a second and I'll pull this up. Take your time. Good evening. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. good evening mayor city council members of the public and staff so this is a relatively sort of routine process that we go through every year a prop we are adopting the appropriations or expenditure limit also known as the GAN limit by the person who originally sponsored it for our fiscal year and this is kind of the precursor to the budget which is the next item on the agenda so the origins of this date back to 1979 and it was part of the prop 13 reforms and it's something that happens not just in California but versions of it happen in other states across the West and essentially what it's required of the local government is that you establish your as appropriations or expense or expenditure limitation on an annual basis prior to your budget and basically it's just a very simple calculation I'll show you on the next page that takes your prior year appropriation limit you adjust it for growth in or change in population and inflation and then you are not allowed to spend over that amount and we take certain revenues into account in calculating that why am I going backwards to the next page that we're going to do so this is a relatively simple calculation you'll see last year's limitation at the top just over 22 million dollars our price factor for this year is 4.95% that's actually based on the per capita personal income tax so it's a little higher than our inflation numbers these days we get a population factor we are the only city in Humboldt County that actually had positive growth in our population everyone else had negative so we have just under 3% there we take those two numbers combined we multiply it by the 25 26 appropriation we get our what our new one is the difference is the increase it's for this year it'll be about twenty three point eight million dollars we have as long as I've been here been well below the revenues that are subject to the appropriation limit have been well below the actual limit so we've got about a six point five million dollar buffer so we're well within that Dan limit I just thought I'd show you the changes in population these are actually estimated every year by the California Department of Finance and put out and as you can see overall Humboldt County had a negative point three percent population decrease and we happen to have added or they're estimating we added about 568 bodies to our our city any questions I guess I just wanted to comment that while everyone else had a decrease we had an increase of three percent we did which is that even when you look at because they actually put out all the population estimates statewide and there aren't very many that and it is an estimate there aren't that many that are above one or two percent so we certainly are in the minority okay I will now open up the public hearing do we have any members of the public waiting to comment on this item in person if so please make your way to the podium do we have anyone virtually online that would like to comment on this item there's no one online okay do we have any comments or a motion from council I'll make a resolution to make a motion to adopt resolution number 256-73 establishing the fiscal year 2026-27 appropriations limit second okay so we have a motion from council member Matthews a second from council member Matthews a second from council member Stillman all those in favor aye and I say aye so motion passes do I need to officially close you again but that's probably a good idea okay so we have officially closed this public hearing all right so that brings us to item D public hearing to adopt resolution number two five six dash seven four adopting the fiscal year 2026 to 2027 budget and approve the city of Arcata 2026 to 2027 legislative platform can we have a staff report from our assistant city manager and our finance director again please Tabitha Miller yes thank you just kind of a real brief recap this is not the first time that we've been before the city council with the budget this year we've actually had three prior work study sessions and so you have already spent hours on this topic April 6th 8th and May 13th and just a reminder that our municipal code actually requires that we adopt the city budget on or before July 1st of every year there are seven items that I want to make sure you are aware of that you're adopting as part of the budget and the budget document this evening it's the appropriation or GAN limit which you've already done just a few minutes ago you're adopting revenue estimates and expenditure appropriations your you're adopting your goals objectives and priority projects for the fiscal year 2627 the you're updating or revising your budget and financial policies or stamping off on what's already there you are approving the capital improvement program projects budgets not the program itself but the budgets that go along with that you're authorizing staff positions and at the estimated salaries and benefits fit cost for those and then you're also approving the fiscal or excuse me the fiscal year 2627 legislative platform so these six numbers here are really the big picture kind of parameters of your budget and they're just good things to know so the total budget this year is 95 million that's actually down from 110 million 110.7 million last year so we saw about a 14 percent decrease there your capital budget is still large at 50.1 million dollars but that's a 10 million dollar drop from what you would adopted last year about this time the total payroll budget 21.7 million dollars and that and that is was 21.3 million last year city population we just talked about it's up to 19,570 you're approving 136.5 full-time employees plus the five city council positions that are there and then your general fund budget of 21.6 million dollars this year and that's a pretty significant reduction from last year it was 24.7 when you adopted it in June of 2025 we have talked quite a bit about this but I just kind of wanted to make sure the council remind you and anybody who's here or online watching the budget presentation tonight we have sort of had our challenges this year we are projecting sales tax our transaction transaction and use tax both measure g and h down and our transient occupancy tax or hotel tax we have projected those down five percent and that has a big impact on our general fund because those are the the big tax revenues to support those general expenses we have also on the other side we've had some pretty significant increases in our insurance costs both our liability property and our health benefits cal purse costs continue to increase construction cost always seem to be on the rise at higher than inflation numbers utility and technology costs are rising technology probably the biggest piece of that we're seeing is just replacement of just our infrastructure and then security security has become just hugely important and of course that comes with additional burdens from a cost factor and then just general supplies and services continue to increase we have already gotten action and direction from council and we appreciate that that ongoing conversations we've had we adopted a hiring freeze on June 3rd we also adopted a retirement incentive plan on June 3rd and we're going to use those to try to cut some of our labor and benefits cost you provided some direction to fund the reconnecting arcana project at 150 thousand dollars less than budgeted for this year to try to control those costs you also provided direction to increase the general fund reserve policy to 50 percent of operating expenses it was at 35 percent and i have a slide on that a couple in the future and then you had agreed with the five percent decreases in our projections for our tax revenues so our 95 million this gives you a big picture review of how those funds are spent and you will see that the largest portion is our utilities and that's primarily our water and wastewater but it does also include solid waste the small portion of the expenses that are on us and our stormwater and a big chunk of that of course is the capital program that continues to be robust and is part of that 50.1 million dollars we discussed from our capital program public works projects and services and services and services and services and that really is our streets and transportation and we've got a couple big projects including our annual paving and starting construction on the sunset and one-on-one project this year and then third is public safety is kind of the third high amount of dollars and just kind of wanting to remind everybody that you know we are trying to invest in the people the infrastructure and the future of our community and it really is important so where does the 95 million dollars come from so you can see on the pie chart in dark green there intergovernmental revenues is about 27 million dollars most of that is grant funding that is related to our capital projects or some of our other community development special programs about 3.5 the other part of that 27 million is ongoing revenue it's our gas taxes which are a regular revenue source and we get a motor vehicle in lieu of tax that's that's about 2.4 million dollars charges for services account for just about 19 percent of our total revenue and again the majority of that the vast majority is our utilities taxes is 16 percent of our total revenue citywide and then a couple things that I just wanted to make sure we point out because they they are something to be aware of we are looking at probably issuing debt sometime this year and it's the first time you will see the will have issued debt since 2015, and even then you were just refunding issues that were out there. You have a very small amount of debt. We've got $2.8 million with the Redevelopment Agency, and those funds actually still come from the property tax. It doesn't come directly from the City coffers. And then you have about $1.7 million in improvements to this building and some of the water system that were refunded back in 2015, and I believe those are paid off in 2029. So adding $15 million is well within the City's abilities to pay off. It's been built into the rates, but it is a big change for the City, and it will add debt that hasn't been there. And then we are projecting use of fund balance. That's really two primary places. We'll talk about it a little bit more in a slide or two when we talked about it in our previous meetings, but about $1.2 million of that will come from general fund, some of the money that's been set aside over the years, and the other $6.2 million comes from your reserves in your wastewater fund, which still remains pretty solid, financially solid and viable. I'm not going to go through all of this, but I just kind of wanted to remind you on our general fund that we really -- it took the hardest hit because it relies on those tax revenues. It has the most labor, so our health increases, health insurance increases certainly had the biggest impact in our general fund. And then we continue to sort of have to subsidize other funds that just aren't able to make enough or bring in enough revenue to cover the cost. And those are critical services. So those funds are basically helping make those whole at the end of the year. And then we are using some preserves. Again, that's that one part of the $1.2 million fund balance to make up the difference. Just under $500,000 is the match for the Annie and Mary Trail. And again, that allowed us to leverage $7 million in grant funds. So it's well worth it. It's an extraordinarily important project for the community and very much well received. We've got $100,000 for facility assessment. We've got another $100,000 coming from water and wastewater. And this is a project that we felt was really important just because it's that forward planning. It allows us to continue to look at our infrastructure and continue to plan for how to take care of those assets. And then the reconnecting our CADA project plan. And again, we went from about $5.6 million when we first looked at it to the $1.2 million that we're subsidizing. This is a big picture review of the general fund. And probably the biggest reason I wanted to put this up wasn't so much to go through all the detailed numbers. Here's our proposed budget this year at $21.6 million. You can see that last year you approved $24.7 million. Of course, the biggest decrease in that is in public works and that's capital projects. But you can also see that we really did go through and make cuts at departments and it is reflected in that 13% overall decrease in the budget that we did get, you know, we did go in and look at every line item and make adjustments to every single department and they were generally reductions. You've seen this slide before too, but just wanted to remind you and the public that we have done or the city has done and even before my time, a really good job of being conservative and putting money away in the general fund. And those really are there for those big projects, emergencies, you know, you have that padding that is really nice. And when you look around at some of the other entities in our area and even throughout California, your general fund reserves are pretty good. You know, at 277 days, you have a pretty good amount of fallback. It obviously would go quickly, but it is something to be very proud of as a council. So we are proposing and it is a part of the budget tonight to change your emergency reserve from 35% of operating expenses, which is about currently about $7 million to 50%. So we'll be adding 15%. The nice thing is that you have excess unreserved fund balance that we can move there. So this doesn't cut into anything or hurt anything. What it does mean is that you'll be putting about $10 million away for the emergency reserves. And so those set aside for long-term extraordinary needs. After just kind of looking at this year, we currently have just over $6.1 million. We are looking at $450,000 probably net revenue this current year, 25-26. I will tell you that that number was higher when I first showed you this chart a month ago or so. What's changed is our sales tax, and we'll touch base on that in a slide or two. And then that unreserved fund balance that we are intending to use to make up some of the shortfall in the general fund this next year. And it's the offsetting, the 5% decrease in sales tax and TOT, the Annie and Mary matching funds, and then the facilities assessment, which is just under $1.2 million. It still leaves $5.4 million in unreserved fund balance. And so those are funds that would be available for other non-emergency expenses going forward. So sales tax, like I said, 5% doesn't seem like a lot, but it is such an important revenue source. It is, and it also is sort of a reflection of just the economy locally and the economy nationwide. And so it's something that I think we want to pay attention to. On the right-hand side, I wanted to give you just a little bit of history. This happens to be the city's TUT or measure G tax. I didn't include measure H here because we don't have the history because it just was implemented about a year ago. The other thing, let me see if I can show my mouse. The other thing is it's a little hard to read, but I've got a scale that's not from zero to 3.15 million. It's from 2.55 to 3.15. And I did that on purpose. And you'll see in the next slide so that you could see sort of the real change that's happened over the last five years. You can see that we had a nice continuing increase in this tax source to about fiscal year 24-25, topped out at just about $3 million. This year, we are -- we have revised our estimate downward. I did that after the third quarter, which is January through March of this year came in. We had a pretty significant dip in our measure G. It was down 13.7 percent, which is the biggest drop in a quarter I've seen. And looking at it, what I can tell you is that it's probably a reflection of some of the work that's being completed at Cal Poly because we do get some of the TUT tracks on those construction projects and building materials and furniture and all the other things that they bring in to build those. It also probably has a little bit of a reflection on the fire on January 1st. And then just really trying to figure out if the trends are more than that. We won't know until August, late August of this year, what our fourth quarter, which is April through June, will look like. So the numbers here for 2026 are estimated and for 2027. But we'll probably -- I'm sure we'll be updating you when we get those numbers to keep track of it. It's also, you know, sometimes a reflection. It's a reflection of our local businesses too. And we really want to be in touch with what is happening there because that's not just -- the city's not, you know, dependent on those dollars, but so is the rest of the community. So it's important. The graph on the right-hand side is really by quarter. And it's really just to kind of show you the fluctuation. What you'll see is that first quarter and fourth quarter, so July through September and April through June, certainly have traditionally been the best months. And you can see even in the beginning of this year, fiscal year 2026, we had the best first quarter that we've had in a number of years, probably the best ever, you know. And then we started seeing that decrease in quarter two and three. And so we're probably not going to make up the difference. Fiscal year 2025, interestingly enough, the best year ever, with just that $3 million. And you can see that our quarters were almost equal. And so it's really about getting year-round business in our city. So the Bradley Burns sales tax is 1%, so it's a bigger percentage. This is the piece that we share with the state. One of the differences here is that it is typically on, it's taxed where the transaction happens. So a good example of where we lose out is you buy a car, you drive to Eureka, you buy a car, they get the Bradley Burns, we get just our share of the TUT. Same thing with many of the building materials and construction projects. The Bradley Burns doesn't necessarily follow where it's used, it's where the transaction happens. And a lot of times those are purchased elsewhere. You'll look at the numbers and you'll notice that even though the TUT is 0.75%, you would expect that our measure G would be 75% of the tax base. It's more like 90. And that's, that's really because of that extra use tax that we get. You can also notice that it's been a bit more stable, especially if you look at the changes that have happened over the last five years. But we are seeing, we have projected that dip. It might be a little conservative in this particular tax source, which is a little bit more stable. But it gets, gives us a bus buffer and you can certainly make adjustments in these estimates when it comes to mid-year. So we have time to come back. And you can see again, they have the similar first and, and fourth quarter where the most of the money comes in. I did want to, again, I pointed out that your legislative platform is part of what you're adopting. We, we did add one item and it has to do with supporting reform for California tort liability system and litigation and controlling escalating liability and insurance costs for public entities. Obviously this is very important to us because it is part of our double digit and, you know, increases in insurance. And so we want to have the ability to join our insurance companies and other joint power authorities and entities that are dealing with the same issue to try to, you know, limit damages and costs to what is appropriate and effective, but not overly inflated. And certainly trying to limit our cost in that process. And with that, I would answer any questions. All right. All right. Go ahead. If I go. Okay. I'm sorry. I have like notes everywhere. But, um, again, first of all, I know we've sat through three budget meetings. I know this has been a really lengthy process. I want to, again, thank you for your pragmatism and conservative approach to this budget. I have in the last week sat through budgets in Fortuna, Eureka and the county. So I just really, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for taking such a, the approach that you take when doing this budget. Um, the one thing that I did talk to you about earlier and I'm city manager as well, that perhaps you can speak to, because I know that this, um, was definitely important to us and to Arcata was the $25,000 that we had, um, agreed to set aside for the climate action position. Um, I know that, you know, it is, especially after some of the conversations we've been having through, you know, the economic development presentation and just because of who we are, it's really important that Arcata is the leader and making sure that we have funds set aside, um, for this position. Um, so I do have a couple other questions, but I, I'd like for you guys to kind of address where that money is. And so we, we did originally have $25,000 in our budget and our two talk committee had recommended that. I know that it was an important set aside for many years for the city council. Um, and the thought was that we would set that aside for, um, matching funds as part of a sort of, you know, uh, county jurisdiction support for a position, um, for the climate action plan and for a climate manager. Um, when we started hearing from the other jurisdictions and from RCEA that that we weren't ready and they, that we weren't in a position to actually hire that position this year. Um, we did take those funds out because we are so tight, um, at this time. Um, if that becomes a priority or if it becomes something that becomes a reality in this budget year, um, I am sure that we can find funds within our, um, budget to, to help that. Um, and, and on the alternative, if the, if the council felt really strongly about it, we could add it as an additional line item tonight. What I would recommend is that we just see how things go and when that becomes viable, then we can address it. And there's nothing that says we can't bring something back to you at any point in the next, in the new year to fund, um, those needs. Yeah. And just, just one additional comment too. We met with the executive director of RCEA, Beth Burks, and what she thought is a lot in the first year, there'd be a lot of development of the program and that a lot of work would be done by the director. They anticipated the director would probably be doing about maybe 40% regional climate action plan, the director of, uh, engagement in regional climate planning. And so she was unsure of how soon we would need those funds for that, um, our regional climate action plan administrator, but it's been clear to us that this is a priority for the council. And so I'd second Tabitha's recommendation of bring it back as a, as a either, either amend it and include it in the budget. We certainly have enough unprogrammed reserves that we could use, or we could bring it back at when we have more clarity about what the actual needs of RCEA are as a, um, a budget amendment in the future. Yeah. And that's fine if that's what RCEA told you, but I just want to be able to, I guess, use our willingness to fund this position as leverage for the other jurisdictions that might be kind of dragging their feet because I don't want them to say, well, Arcata's not doing it, so we're not going to do it either. I just want other jurisdictions know that should this position be ready. We are a hundred percent like ready to fund it. Understood. So those two options make sense, I guess. We just look for direction from the council on what the preference is. I, um, I mean, I'm hope I'm here next year, but I feel like it's really important. And I personally would like to see that as an additional line item tonight so that it is secured. And as pointed out by, um, Meredith is that we want to make sure that we set the example for other jurisdictions so that this is for sure funded. I mean, I'm not sure what my fellow council members feel about that. I know that we have this budget and it is, I, yeah. What are you, other thoughts? I mean, yeah, I think we should add it as a line item. And if we don't spend it, great. We have $25,000 that can, you know, go into the general fund or be used for other things. Um, um, I, I would agree. And I, again, just, I know the conversations that have taken place and that the reality that it probably won't happen in this fiscal year is, is realistic. But I think the, the piece of, of leadership having to do with it is, is what's important. So, yeah. If we want to talk about that more, we can't have other questions. Uh, placeholder, is that what you're, you're thinking of placeholder? That's what I was hearing. Okay. A placeholder. Thank you. Is that going to hold up the adoption of the budget? No, what I would suggest is that you'll, you'll, you'll, when you make, if you make your motion, I'm assuming you will, you'll make it with the amendment of setting aside $25,000 for the climate action plan manager position. And do you need that to be specified from the general fund? It can be. Yes. I just want to make sure that everyone has an opportunity to weigh in. I appreciate that. Thank you. No, I do. Um, just because there have, you know, um, been rumors circulating that we might not be on board. This puts that to bed and lets people know we are on board, but to clarify, um, it's, you know, if we don't, this is coming out of, um, our reserve. So if we don't use it, it won't go, it goes back into the reserves, not the general fund. Thank you. Okay. Or perhaps it's never pulled out unless it's used. Okay. All right. So I do no final comments. Then can we, is there a motion from council? Oh, no, no, no. I have more. We're not going to do that. I have more. Okay. Um, all right. More questions then. And public comment, of course. Like less of a question and more of just a general comment. I think, especially after we had that presentation of the economic development plan last week, which was wonderful and I really enjoyed it. And also seeing, um, you know, that our sales tax are declining. I just think that it is really important for us to, when things come before us to really kind of strategize about if the things that we're funding are going to give us like a return on investment and make Arcata a place that people want to visit and shop at and spend money in. And I just think that, um, that we should kind of, like, in the future, we're making these decisions, weigh things against that economic development plan and how to increase our sales tax. Um, and again, like I wasn't there for that discussion, but I did see when the chamber presented whenever the last time they were here, that visit Arcata website that I think, um, especially since we had talked before about, you know, branding Arcata as like a jumping off point to go take day trips and then coming back and spend here. I think that, you know, whether the city does the website or the chamber does the website, our website absolutely leaves something to be desired and someone should really invest some time and money because, especially with the way people are planning trips nowadays, and a lot of it is like AI, like having something that is easily accessible and so thorough is going to be so important, like as a step to get people to come and spend money here. Yeah, and I think to that point, you know, what came up was don't let the plan, you know, sit on the shelf. And so thinking about, especially when we're looking at the budget, how we're going to, you know, you use that plan to push some of these things forward to help us on the, on the other side of the, the budget that's not looking as pretty. So, um, I don't know if other people want to talk about that. I have another question that I really want to ask, but you want to. So I was just going to think about mid-year budget review and if we can bring that back at that time, I'm, we can bring it back at that time. I do, I do want to make sure that everybody does also know that we, we do have $150,000 set aside for economic development projects. We haven't obviously identified those yet and there's probably some additional funds in our, in our, one of our, um, it's our redevelopment money that can be used for public projects that can, can support some of these efforts. Um, so it's a matter of whether we bring it back at, at mid year or if we do something before, because we're ready to bring back specific projects to city council to look at and weigh whether or not we fund those and move those forward. So yeah, I think we can do it probably earlier. Yeah, I think midterm is probably too late, especially if money set aside. And I know that that was a thing that we already voted on. So I don't know, like what, how do you bring that back? Is somebody that voted? Nobody asked, we had the motion was to bring it back after we had our meeting about the economic development strategic plan to see where that would fit in with the plan. I think that was, you know, the general motion and direction. So I think now that we've had that, I think that, you know, seeing that again, and maybe a way that's a little more, you know, clearer, like, you know, just a contract for services, not this kind of vague idea of an RFP that I think that is the piece that confused me about that item that night. And so that we were just going to go out for proposals anyway, but it's kind of seems targeted that, you know, we have an organization that wants to provide us services and this is the service. So just that. Can I respond to council member Schaefer? Just one of the things, so that was, we're at a probably 80% completion level of that economic strategy. And so we expect to finish that in July, August. And so just to get clarity on kind of what your, your, your opinion was, was to come back after we have that list of projects and then bring it back within the next couple months after that plan's complete or thereabouts. Yeah. I guess that very good preview we got already kind of showed that that project is on the list. So yeah. And a couple months I think is better than midterms. So, so one of the, I just wanted to bring up one of the things that I was, I saw that our, the economic development person for the county was saying it's really important when we post on social media or anywhere that we always are positive about our county and about our city because now with AI, et cetera, when you're searching for a place, it picks up all the comments. And so it can come up with comments. If I said something, dah, dah, dah, it's not good or was good. It will pick that up. And so the really, she encouraged us all to think very positively about what we say and that will definitely affect our tourists. Yeah. And I will say that, you know, visit Eureka has incredible social media. And I think that really like makes a difference. And so just, I mean, we do great with like press releases and like recycle your things or whatever, but I do think that there is an opportunity for us to really sell Arcata through like a visit Arcata brand. So, um, I'm really looking forward to the completion of that economic development plan. Again, like I want everything to be tight and aligned and everything like branded correctly, but, but it's something, it's definitely an opportunity. So I think Eureka has an overall vision. They just completed a welcome sign coming from the, as you drive north and around Hendrick, I think that's correct area. So maybe some of you have already seen that, but I think we should look at an overall picture and I, anyway, that's where I'm coming from. And I also heard some ideas about how to come up with that funding. And I don't know if you've heard about that. I feel like we're getting into the minutia of it and the nitty gritty. Um, I, I also would like to see if, um, vice mayor at Conseltzer would like to say something. Um, I, I didn't have one on this topic. I, I think it's a great topic for when it comes before us as a agenda item specific to that. But I just had a simple clarification that I think would be useful to the public. Um, when we're talking about all the different taxes, we have our sales tax and the TUT and the TOT. And, um, I think the TOT is, um, you know, being from hotels is pretty obvious, but there can often be confusion between what's sales tax and what's a transition and use tax. And, um, would you be able to offer just some clarification on that? So first of all, we, we generally refer to both the sales tax from the state, the Bradley Burns and the transactions and use tax as sales tax. And mostly because when you go to the store and you get charged here in Arcata, 10.25%, the TUT, the transactions and use tax is an added layer to the state 7.25%. And so they have different names and they're treated a little different in where they're collected and how they're collected. But we usually refer to that, that 10.25% as the sales tax, keeping in mind that the city, you know, only gets two and a half percent of that total. Um, and the rest goes to the state and the county and other entities. But I think that that gives the difference between the Bradley Burns sales tax and then the TUT or transactions and use tax is, um, really how it's left, how it's, it comes to be because the voters locally put it into place, the TUT, and then exactly how it's taxed. But it's always kind of lumped into this, this sales tax pot because of the way it's collected. And then, as you said, the, the transient occupancy tax, the TOT, I often will refer to also as a hotel tax, then it kind of relates it directly back to who's paying the tax on it. Thanks. So I think that that's really important because we don't get the full amount of the, the sale of the 7.25. Correct. The sales tax. But when we're explaining like the measure G or H, those additional couple of percentage points on there that fully goes to Arcata. Correct. And I think that's just, yeah. And I just wanted to bring that up because, yeah, it is important to know for when people are voting for things like that, that that's something that really just specifically goes to us. Thank you. Thank you for asking for that clarification. I appreciate it. Um, I also want to make sure that we hear from the public. So unless, yes, absolutely. Great. Um, I wanted to ask about the juvenile diversion officer position, and if it is being funded in this budget, or if we used opioid funds to do it, or if we're using the overhired position. And it's kind of just hard to tell because all the personnel expenses are lumped together, at least just so it seemed to me, I couldn't find it. So the, the position is still on a, in your authorized list of positions that you are, you are approving in the, in this budget. And it is a line item. And there is one, just to be clear. Um, we are in the process of trying to get the job description updated so that we can send it off to the opioid folks, excuse me, and make sure that they're good with using those funds to fund that position, either, um, in, in total or in part, depending on how much money is available to us. But that position is still out there, um, and has, is part of it. It has not been frozen, although it is kind of on hold until we take care of the funding, because we really are trying hard, um, to get some additional funds from opioids to offset the general fund cost. Thank you for that update. I'm just curious if it isn't funded through the opioid, will we have a space holder for that? How, how will that work? Yes, that's what you just said. Okay, thank you. All right. So, um, then unless there's more questions from council, I would like to open up for public comment on this item, please. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You know, the, the need to be, to tighten our belts and, you know, we're gonna, um, have to make some cuts and, and, and take some delays on certain things is important. Um, I really appreciate, uh, the need to be in the vanguard on this, uh, climate action manager, uh, funding. So I appreciate, uh, having that put on as a budget line item. Um, a lot of what the climate action plan will hopefully create is also potentially a reduction in some of the revenue that might come from taxes, like gas taxes or, um, other things. Because if people are being, uh, conservative in their, um, energy use and, or, um, um, individual fossil fuel vehicle use. Um, I don't know if there's must be a tax, I guess, on electric vehicles, too, when they go charge them up. But, um, it's, it's worth the trade off to me. So I just want to say that some things that we might be proposing in climate action will not be the same kind of revenue generators that we're used to. And I think that's okay. And, um, you know, we'll find other ways and we can really sell ourselves as a forward thinking climate action community. And that will get people to come, um, and see how we do it so they can take it back to where they're living and, um, emulate us in our forward, uh, way of living on the planet. So, um, yeah, I appreciate adding that as a line item. Thank you for your comment. Do we have anyone else in the public that would like to comment? If not, do we have anyone virtually? There's no hands on zoom. Okay. Um, so that would leave us, unless there's any final comments, then shall we move forward with the addendum? All right. Okay. I guess I would like to then make a motion to adopt resolution number 256-74, adopting the fiscal year 26, 27 budget, um, and approve the city of Arcadia's 26, 27 legislative platform, and also approve adding in a line item for $25,000 for a climate manager. From the general fund. From the general fund. And do we have a second? I will second. All right. So we have a motion from council member Matthews, a second from council member Schaefer. All those in favor? Aye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And thank you so much for, I know that you spent like many, many, many extra hours in this office worrying about the budget. And I appreciate your diligence so much. So I want, I would like to give her a compliment. I really enjoyed reading the, looking at all the photographs you chose for the different topics when you came through, went through the budget online. And I thought, I thought you did a really great job and I really enjoyed looking at all the photographs. I'm appreciate it. So thank you. Thank you. That's, you know, I don't get to be creative very often. Well, it was a good job. All right. Thank you again. All right. So that brings us to item E, adopt CEQA common sense exemption for ordinance number 1587 and introduce ordinance number 1587 in ordinance of the city council of the city of Arcata amending title two of the Arcata municipal code regarding design approval authority. Can we have a staff report from city engineer, Natra Ketchi? Good evening, mayor, council member, member of the public and staff. This is a very straightforward staff report and mainly administrative. And one of the requirements that we got when we got our new insurance through CIRA, California Intergovernmental Risk Authority, when we got new insurance, they went through our muni code and they made some recommendation what all changes we should be making. So this is one of the recommendations related to design immunity. So currently there is a government code section 830.6 that provides design immunity protection to public entities and public employees for injuries caused by plans and designs done via public improvements as long as that is approved by the council or the body. And that is one of the reasons we every time there's a project, we come here, bring it the one of the recommendations is to approve the project. So we're just trying to reinforce our mini code by adding this section in our mini code rather than just relying on the government code. So with that, I would just request you to take some public comments and approve this and we can move forward. Thank you. Okay, thank you. So do we have any questions or comments from council? Okay, then how about the public? Do we have any members of the public who would be waiting to comment on this item? Anyone online? Mayor White, can I just clarify if the public hearing is open? I believe this is a public hearing. Yeah, okay. So I will now officially open the public hearing and do we have any members of the public who are waiting to comment on this item? There are no hands raised on zoom. Okay, and there's nobody in public. So then do we have any final comments or a motion from council? Yeah, I'll introduce ordinance number excuse me number 1587 an ordinance of the city council of the city of arcada amending title two of the arcada municipal code regarding design approval authority for public improvement projects wave reading of the text and consent to read by title only second Do we also need to find that it is exempt from sequa? Yes, I was going to suggest that as part of the motion if we can have that finding made, please sure And to find that the adoption of the ordinance number 1587 is exempt from the california environmental quality act pursuant to section 15 061 b 3 of the sequel guidelines for the reasons stated in ordinance number 1587 second Okay, so we have a motion from vice mayor at conselsa a second from council member stillman all those in favor I say aye motion passes And now I will officially close this public hearing Are we good on that? Yeah, okay great So f introduce ordinance number 1588 an ordinance of the city council of the city of arcada amending chapter 2 sewers and chapter 3 water of the title 7 public works of the arcada municipal code to align collection enforcement For solid waste wastewater and water services and correcting section 5 4 3 0 rates and changes of chapter 3 solid waste management and title 5 Sanitation and health may we have a report from our assistant city manager and finance director tabitha miller, please Thank you So So So What the um the ordinance that we are asking you to in with that we are asking you that we are introducing this evening? Um is to add some potential collection and enforcement efforts to our water and wastewater Um systems and really what we're trying to do is provide our staff all of the options that they have in order to collect on unpaid bills And receive those funds and sort of make it fair across the entire city So what you are proving tonight will be the ability for us to place a lien on the respective property for water and wastewater We can also if there's unpaid charges we can place those on the humboldt county tax rolls or the property bill through the direct charges Just like the solid waste Item that you had earlier we can take if we take court action And if judgment is in favor of the city it allows for cost and attorney's fees And then finally we can also discontinue utility services charged on the unified bill So if there's multiple utilities on the same bill and even just one is unpaid it gives us a little bit more um opportunity you know ability to collect there So one of the things when we brought this ordinance Up is that the the legal staff that wrote the ordinance Wanted to take the opportunity to collect to excuse me Correct an error And it really is just very simple that that section 5 4 to 5 does not exist and so they thought the way to do it was to Eliminate this um that that sentence from the ordinance But when the environmental services staff looked at the solid waste section and took a look at this they felt like they have many more changes that need to happen when the recology franchise agreement moves forward and the sb 1383 requirements and so they would prefer that we not do anything with that ordinance at this time but instead Remove that from the ordinance this evening and everywhere every reference to it And they'll take those they'll bring those back to you as part of a much larger change to that particular section of the code So what we're asking for here is the revive recommended action and I realize I put it up here because it's a little bit wordy and a little bit more complex But really what we're asking you to do is Strike a few things Strike the reference in the title We have a whereas that talks about it and then strike the actual removing of that sentence And then make a motion to adopt the the ordinance number or excuse me introduce the ordinance number 1588 As amended with the second the second motion So we have two we have two separate motions revise the the ordinance and then introduce the the amended ordinance And I apologize about all the words So does everybody do you need any more clarity are we any questions? Okay, so then I will now open up the public hearing do we have any members of the public waiting to comment on this item? Anybody Virtually there's no one with a hand raised on zoom. Okay, so unless there's any final comments then uh, do we have a motion from council? Can I make it all as one or do we have to do it? Two Okay, so the first one is the motion to approve the amendments as presented by staff to the proposed ordinance number 1588 to strike the taint whereas from the recitals section of ordinance to strike the entirety of the text section 5 from the ordinance replaced with reserved and three strike and correcting section 5430 rates and charges of chapter 3 solid waste management And then the second one is the motion to approve the ordinance of the ordinance I will second that first motion Okay, so we have a motion from council member matthews and a second from council member Schaefer all those in favor I say aye so motion passes now we will go to the second one so I will make the motion for the second one motion to introduce ordinance number 1588 an ordinance of the city Council of the city of arcada amending chapter 2 sewers and chapter 3 water of title 7 public works of this arcada municipal code to align collection enforcement of solid waste wastewater and water services as amended And waive reading of the title and consent to read by title only I'll second okay, thank you so we have a motion from council member stillman and a second from vice mayor atkins salzer all those in favor All right, I say aye so motion passes All right, so consider adopting resolution number two five six dash six three placing renewal of measure g Three-fourths of a cent transactions and use tax measure on the november 3rd 2026 ballot Can we have a staff report from assistant city manager and our finance director once again tabitha miller Good evening again So this is an abbreviated version of the presentation we did as a staff report about three or two meetings ago or a month ago As far as the information and we are asking you to take action this evening to place this on the ballot Just a reminder that measure g was approved by the arcada voters Nearly 20 years ago on November 4th of 2008 It was approved by a Percentage of 63.52 percent for and 36.48 percent against This is the language And you can see probably one of the big things is in the highlighted Time there that it does have a sunset It will sunset and expire on march 31st of 2029 20 years after started collections And it is for it was increasing police staffing to improve public safety And then it had to do with filling potholes maintaining and repairing City street sidewalks and bicycle paths and improving traffic and circulation It also was the impetus to establish the to talk or the transaction and use oversight committee And they've been around for nearly 20 years also So we have in the proposed ballot renewal The language is a little bit different one is that we are really stressing the fact that this is a continued to continue existing general fund general government funding We are still keeping it to maintaining essential services including public safety staff We've dropped the police from there to be a little bit broader And then you know the main purpose filling potholes maintaining and repairing city streets sidewalks multi-use trails and bicycle paths and expanding multimodal So the whole circulation is very similar to the previous and again the renewing and extending The voter approved three four cent sales tax until ended by voters and so what that does is that it eliminates that sunset And it puts the owners back on the voters to actually if they want to revoke the tax at some future time Just a review of the requirements for Actually passing the t-o-t the t-u-t excuse me measure It would be revenues that are unrestricted So it's considered a general tax and rel we have and will continue To dedicate those to public safety and our streets and transportation programs It is not a requirement that the city do so it is a general tax The city council tonight must approve it by two-thirds Which means four out of five must approve placing this on the ballot? But it only requires a majority plus one of voter approval to be initiated And the other thing that happens is that we have to we can only bring tax measures In the elections that we elect our our city council and so we are limited We have two two dates available to us before this tax expires in March of 2029 the november 20 or excuse me november 3rd of this year and then two years from now on november 7th So this is our first of two opportunities I did want to touch a little bit on the maintenance of effort we talked about this in our previous presentation and we've talked about it as A possibility to add additional funding to the city And this is the additional funding that's been made available by the state Through sb1 it's 200 million dollars and it's set aside for jurisdictions that have established dedicated Funding sources typically a special tax that is approved by two-thirds we're not asking for that tonight We were hoping that we would be able to um have a advisory question that would Be included on this to get us there where we would ask the voters if they would dedicate two-thirds of that money to Specifically to transportation and streets when we checked with the caltrans representatives They made it clear to us that that wasn't even though We were looking at other examples of of cities that had done it It wasn't something that was going to be available to us So I just kind of wanted to make sure that that's not something that we are looking at or pursuing at this point in time And with that i'm happy to answer any questions or provide any additional information I didn't I didn't want to go into the same detail we did just a few weeks ago Okay, thank you shall we start on the left this time Well, I do support this because I supported it before and worked on it um 20 well it was 18 years ago and um I had been told at that time that something like this uh would really Pass with flying colors and it actually we did very well with it And it was a low-key campaign and we succeeded And so um, I do definitely support it and I would also like to be part of a subcommittee to work on the future of this event this measure Um, yes, I'm in support of it and also just like to Clarify because I was interested in that self-help funding but I believe the reason that we Even though we do have the appropriate split with how we collect it in a ballot measure it Just has to be for The the roads money correct That is what we have learned yes great and um, and yes and councilmember stillman asked if I would help on that subcommittee and I am happy to do that Yeah So I I do want to I I do believe that um the next item um it will will ask for the establishment of the committee and so I think we can wait till till Rhea's items so there are our items are kind of intertwined and they overlap a little bit and this is one of the areas they do Coming soon coming soon yes Do we have uh any other questions right at this point? Otherwise, I will ask members of the public if they are interested in commenting on this item I Think I voted yes on this tax understanding Why the city needed it wanted it and um was willing to give it this um Sunset period of time and now coming back and asking to continue it with The voters having to come forward with Saying we don't want this tax anymore, so I just want that to be clear that um If we go ahead with putting this on the ballot and then it passes It'll be once again up to the voters to rescind it if that's what they want to do so that's okay and Taxes are important and um long time ago when sophia perera was running for city council I approached her about a voluntary Peace tax that would be like a sales tax that people could contribute to for um peaceful types of uh community efforts, you know not so much potholes and police but Anyway, uh, I See the need to extend this and see what the voters have to say You know, it's just really tight for everybody So i'm telling all my friends when I go to frequent the local restaurants that um It's going to be hard for me to tip you as much as I really want to all the time, you know Because all these types of things just add up to the pocketbook of um the citizenry So, you know Go put it on the ballot and see how it does and um Thanks again for Your good explanations of things Thank you for your comment. Do we have anyone online? There are no hands raised online for comment at this point may I ask a quick question of the city attorney Just because this is a fourth fifth requirement vote Uh, I wanted to be sure is there a roll call vote required for it It's not required but it might be advisable to make sure that we're clear on the vote. So that's a good suggestion Okay, so then we would make a motion and then a second and then we would have a roll call instead of okay So, um, do we have a motion from council? Well, I'm going to move i'll make it i hope it's the right place because I have can't open it any further um adopt resolution number two five six Dash six three placing renewal of measure g Three-quarter cent transaction and use tax measure on the november 3rd 2026 ballot And do we have a second a quick point of class it needs more ordinance number it needs more yes, it there's a lot more council member if you don't mind just adding that the request that the city attorney prepare them partial analysis generally and submitting ordinance number 1589 to qualify let me see This is bad to qualify um Qualified voters after november 3rd 2026 general municipal election and request the city attorney to prepare an impartial analysis of the measure Thank you Okay, so we have a motion from councilmember stillman and a second from councilmember schaefer all those in favor We're going to do a roll call. Thank you Thank you Councilmember matthews. Yes Councilmember schaefer yes Councilmember stillman yes Mayor white yes vice mayor atkinsalazar yes That's five zero motion passes. Thank you All right now. We will go to the Part b or item h adopt resolution 256-66 calling for a general municipal election to be held on Sorry Sorry Okay November 3rd 2026 and detailing associated policies and actions and consider appointing a subcommittee To draft a primary argument in favor of the sales tax measure Can we have a staff report from city clerk? Clerk way of varley please? Good evening mayor council members and members of the public as you are likely aware and even numbered years the city of arcato holds a general municipal election In this upcoming 2026 election voters will select two members Of the city council and decide on one ballot measure for the city's transactions and use tax Adoption of the resolution before you tonight resolution number 256-66 will call the election Designate what will be on the ballot set forth policies for the election request that the county board of supervisors consolidate the election with the statewide general election and request that the humboldt county office of elections conduct the election on behalf of the city At this point there is one minor typo that I would like to bring to your attention and I'm just going to share my screen real quick here on zoom And i'm just waiting for it to show up there on the screen So the the minor type typo I'd like to know is right here in section four We originally planned to bring this item to you on june 3rd along with the ballot measure that you Directed staff to place on the ballot tonight So the typo is Just correcting june 3rd 2026 to be june 17th 2026 and I will ask that you include that small correction in your motion At the end of my staff report um And then separately as we started discussing earlier Uh for appointing a subcommittee This evening under new business item g the council placed the transactions and use tax measure on the november 3rd ballot The council may submit arguments in favor of the transactions and use tax measure To accomplish this the council can appoint two council members to a subcommittee to draft a primary argument to bring to the council's august 4th 2026 regular meeting for approval And if necessary The subcommittee could draft a rebuttal argument which would be due on august 26 2026 And I apologize. I wanted to include if we bring the primary argument in favor of The measure the deadline that we would be aiming to meet is april 14th 2026 So with that I would recommend that you August 14th 2026 So the deadline for the primary argument will be um Yes august 14th 14th um For us to meet that deadline if the council appoints the subcommittee Uh for all five council members to sign the argument Then we would bring it to the august 4th regular city council meeting to be approved So that the five council members would sign the argument Does that answer your question? Yeah, okay, thank you um So with that I would recommend that you approve an amendment to resolution number 256-66 to correct the date in section 4 To be june 17th 2026 and adopt resolution number 256-66 calling a general municipal election To be held november 3rd 2026 in the city of arcada as amended And i'm just going to share that language on on the screen real quick So it is easy to reference once um once you determine whether or not you'd like to make a motion Okay, do we want to hear from the public or do we want to do our motion first it's really up to y'all Okay, let's open up for the members of the public who might be waiting to comment on this item If you are please step up to the podium now Just real quick. My name is joanna gary and I think it's good that if you're voting for putting this on the ballot and you want to see it happen That you all sign for it because I do look at those arguments when i'm voting and so um It would be good to see your names on it if that's what you want to support so the voters know Thank you for your comment. Do we have anyone on zoom that would like to comment on this item? I do not see any hands raised on zoom and um Just so that everybody's aware i'll bring up that slide with the proposed amendment real quick here All right, thank you to our city clerk ray varley. It is coming up here in a minute, right I'm Do we have any final comments while we're waiting for this to come up from the council no, but i'm so ready to make this motion when ria pulls it up It's kind of on it. Okay, so i'm gonna make a motion to approve the amendment in section four To change the date to june 17th so I don't even need it right i'm doing it is it showing up now Yes, okay, so i'll make a motion to approve an amendment to resolution number two five six dash six six correcting the date in section four to be june 2026 and to adopt resolution number two five six dash six six a resolution of the city council of the city of arcada calling for a general municipal election To be held november 3rd 2026 requesting the humboldt county port of supervisors consolidate the election within with the statewide general election establishing policies for that election and requesting the humboldt county office of elections conduct said election as amended And then should we take the second one right now too because we know who wants to be on that subcommittee My recommendation just do it separately. That's what I was gonna do Okay, so then we are looking for a second Second all right, so we have a motion from council member schaefer a second from council member matthews all those in favor I I say I so motion passes and now Um, and I will also make a motion To appoint council member stillman and vice mayor atkins salazar to a subcommittee To draft the primary argument in favor of the transactions and use tax ballot measure and bring it to the council's august 4th 2026 regular meeting for approval And if a rebuttal argument is necessary Authorize the subcommittee to draft it and schedule a special meeting before august 26 2026 to approve it August 4th is tuesday is that My apologies let me Okay, so I will my i'm amending my motion to state the august 5th council meeting Thank you. I'll second all right, so we have a motion from council member schaefer a second from council member matthews all those in favor Hi, and I say aye so motion passes. Thank you Okay, so oral and written communications the city council values your comments the public comment period allows people to address the council on matters Not on the agenda speakers will be limited to three minutes each Please know that pursuant to the brown act the council cannot discuss or take action on items not listed on the agenda The council may respond to statements if you are in person And wanting to give public comment please line up to the podium raise your hand if you're on zoom webinar or press star 9 now if you are on the phone line and we'd like to make a public comment when we move to online public comment I will ask the city clerk how many hands are raised because I know we're gonna have a big turnout for that and we'll proceed to take comment from the number of people called at that time So do we have anybody step up to the podium now or forever hold your Okay, so we're good we're done and We're there there are no hands raised on zoom all right so Uh, that brings us to the city manager report does the city manager have anything to report sure I just have a brief report for you tonight Just a few things um And you may hear from some of our other council members who attended the homeless services working group Uh some of our partners who provide services for the homeless community and housing Really shared a lot of concern of that meeting about some of the changes to federal legislation and the grant funding coming down and just are For foreseeing a lot of challenges in moving that money that in the past was used for permanent supportive housing and getting that to the people in need that have been Using that so they they shared some concerns, but they also shared a number of ideas on how they could Work to keep those people in housing through different ways of maneuvering Also, we are partnering with Arcata house partnership who is submitting a grant through the continuum of care and For an encampment resolution fund grant and so one of the things that We agreed to to work with arcata house to Provide some of the services for the encampment resolution To support that grant application The second item I have is we had civic possible in this week I know the council heard a presentation on the economic strategic plan But I just wanted to share with council a little bit that One of the primary reasons that civic possible was here Is really to get the engagement of staff and get them on board with what was happening and how the economic strategy was being developed And so it was a great meeting very dynamic and there's a number of exercises and sharing about the process of the development of the economic strategy and so Staff was very interested. There was a lot of engagement and so I'm optimistic that this plan is really going to be a living document that that will revisit over and over So I was really pleased with our consultants with civic possible. They did a great job with that Um, let's see and I had the opportunity to present to rotary today and it's funny I gave a brief overview of the budget and explained the sales tax and and Maybe I shouldn't have but I got into the county pool and trying to describe how that works and the partitioning of the sales tax And I was I was I was not lost without tabitha But it was it was challenging to explain exactly the mechanics of how that works We would all be lost without tabitha. Yeah, I should have brought her to that meeting as well I but I I wasn't able to call her in time. So Um, and then lastly city hall will be closed this friday on june 19th in observance of juneteenth Hey, mary, can I ask you a quick question? Yes, do any update on the fire? Yes, thank you Good reminder. So the contractor who is working for the three private property owners that comprise the downtown The portion of the building the the three buildings that were burned Their anticipated start date is on june 6th. Uh, we didn't want them to work over the holiday. Sorry july 6th They originally wanted to start a little bit earlier And it would have been a partial week because we didn't want them to work during the observed holiday And so they'll be starting immediately after the fourth of july weekend. I appreciate that. Thank you so much I know I saw somebody out there what that looked very official with a vest and buckets and putting things in buckets and looked like he was testing some stuff So it made me hoped hoped that it was getting started So yeah, and the second part of that there's been concern and questions from the community So I anticipate once they've finalized their hazardous waste removal plan. We'll also we'll issue another press release and share some of the um The best practices that they're using to minimize dust and the spread of any potential contaminants from the site Thank you for that update So that brings us to council reports all reports shall be specifically limited to items relating to city business and shall not request or lead to action by the city council at this meeting And how about I start to my right this time? I feel like I always go first Um, I'll keep it really short. Um, I went to the opportunity to go to the hwma humble waste management authority meeting last week Thank you, um, vice mayor at gonzalez are for giving me the opportunity to revisit my own waste stopping grounds It was very interesting and I think that You know, I was talking to a council member from a different jurisdiction about how You know, we're so lucky that we get to serve on our jpas for our terms But how you know when we rotate off When our terms are up or whatnot, there's a lot of historical knowledge lost and I just think that it's nice to go to Another jpa once in a while and see what's going really appreciated like stepping into rcea Um, so it's just really good to see what other jpas are doing. So again, I really appreciated that opportunity um, I have my redact meeting on monday um, the wastewater treatment plant ribbon cutting i'm sure we'll all talk about it most of us went Just again, thank you to everybody that worked so hard on that Thank you the chamber oyster fest was amazing and I think I think i'm done Um Not much in the past report and i'm bummed I missed the ribbon cutting I was still finishing up graduation But I I remember getting to be the person that got to shove the shovel into the ground when I was mayor what three years ago, so um exciting day for the city um Tomorrow I will attend equity arcada advisory committee many retreats Um here at city or nope, it's gonna be up at cal poly, uh And i'm looking forward to that and so i'll bring back some info about that and really the only other thing um Um, next week there is going to be a community meeting that the harbor district is hosting um at the community center about the offshore wind um heavy lift marine terminal project and so that's going to be at the community center on wednesday um from 5 30 to 7 30. so a week from today community center future of offshore wind marine terminal and more to come on other things And i'm going to miss that meeting unfortunately because i'll be out of town so everybody should tell me about it i'm going to miss that meeting too so we will hear more about that i believe from vice mayor at consulcer so go ahead please thank you yes, I do serve on the community uh the Community advisory committee and we are the ones hosting that so I will I will be there and we really do the whole purpose of this is for the public to come and it won't be um just two hours of people speaking at you we will be having a brief introduction about the project so folks can learn about it and then we have an opportunity for people to go around the room and at each station we have experts there to answer questions as well as advisory members from the committee so and then a time for questions and answers so it's the purpose of it is to be engaging really to get questions and concerns answered or brought forward so please attend um i was also at the ribbon cutting for the wastewater treatment plant at the economic development study session which i'm very excited about as well oyster fest was amazing beautiful sunny day alex and i had the homeless services meeting today and i think that's all for me so be i've actually done the same things that stacy's done except i'm not on that committee but today i was up at the phillips house museum when the um they came to read the meter and they wanted to come in and turn on the water to see if the meter worked right because it said it's a low use meter and so i asked them well how are you doing on checking in all the meters they said well i asked them specifically have you found any that weren't functioning they said oh yes we have and i said what'd you do replace them of course and i said well you're going to make the finance director very very happy because she's really worried and so they're just checking any meter that's low usage of course at the phillips house we have no one taking showers no one taking baths we're not watering so it's flushing the toilet washing dishes and so forth so we're very low using but i told them we do pay the minimum water bill every month which is about 87 or something so um i think that's that's it oh you know i'm going to say one thing we are very fortunate that we have our local newspaper at the arcada mad river union a lot of communities don't have that and there was an article today in the chronicle about the importance of having local newspapers and when you have the loss of that what it can do to your community so i want to really thank uh arcada mad river union for staying here and producing a newspaper for us and as i mentioned be positive if you write anything be positive because that'll make a big difference for us as far as having tourists thank you okay thank you yes like the others i did also attend the wastewater treatment plant ribbon cutting i will be attending tomorrow the equity arcade advisory committee mini retreat i also have a h cog at the humboldt county association of governments meeting tomorrow valley west has a community garden we had 20 people show up and went from concrete to green space more to come super excited about that kuna is going to be hosting a juneteenth vendor they're going to be making banana pudding so i'm super excited about that um let's see i oh and black humboldt is also an incredible fiscal sponsor just to add a little plug there for kuna i am leaving monday to arkansas with the nalio which is the national association for latino elected officials i will be there for four days doing disaster preparedness and i think that's all i have thank you and this meeting is adjourned is is is is is is is is is

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Every single person that I talk to pretty much is like yes this is really needed. We look at some of the other businesses in the area that offer something similar and they're very busy and I think that with this opportunity we're going to be able to help a lot of people. I mean people I don't know if anyone here actually likes to sauna but the health benefits that come along with that and also the cold plunge is scientifically proven now and I think that something that is adopted to this area would be very helpful for the citizens of this community. For me the most important portion of this is when we come in we're talking about the actual wood burning stove. I've sauna probably for the last 25 years and I've been in saunas that are heated through electricity, through gas, and then I've also experienced them heated through what we consider wood burning. And what we're proposing is not your typical wood burning stove. Okay this is a high-tech system which is called a gasification system. It's a two-stage system which means not only is it going to burn the wood but it also burns the smoke. Because one of the considerations that we're thinking about here is what's going to happen to the smoke when it's I mean you got to figure we're going to be operating two of these upwards of 10 to 12 hours a day. That's not something that the city is looking forward to right. So these systems afford us that opportunity to not have that. Has anyone even heard of a gasification system? Yeah. So the system itself is extremely clean compared to a normal wood burning stove. I pulled up a ton of information on what that really looks like compared to your typical and traditional stove and they're not even comparable. Essentially what's happening is after that initial light of the logs the smoke goes into a secondary chamber above the heated element where the the logs are being burnt and then the smoke is being burnt off as well turning into essentially just vapor. So that's why we think that we would like to be considered for for the approval of these because what it does is if we go the opposite way if we look into some of the other options for the heating elements gas and electricity it doesn't put us in a situation where we could go out of business or not even begin to have the business but what it does is it drastically increases the overall cost of what we're trying to do here. I mean upwards of like 80 percent on the cost of the especially when you're looking at electricity and on top of it the units that are made for saunas typically are not going to be strong enough or big enough to heat the area that we're looking to occupy and heat for these saunas and then when we look into the gas systems we're looking at somewhere of upwards of 50 percent more cost than just burning wood 90 percent more when you're using the electricity and I can give you an example what that means once these units are actually operational we will be burning on an average of not every 90 minutes four pounds of wood that's like one log to heat a room basically 20 feet by eight feet by eight feet so it's a large space so one log compared to constant gas or constant electricity running and operating the other elements so that's what we're looking for consideration is that I believe that we're going to have a video as well to show you that once these units are operational so once it passes a certain threshold point which was usually anywhere from four to five minutes the the unit is is heated up and then it's pure vapor water vapor from there you're not receiving any smoke is that something you want to play now david yeah yeah so initially what it's going to be is it's going to be i think the gentleman i think you have it queued up at the three minutes it should be on the three minute mark and then um i believe right around the six minute mark yeah there you go and this is the exact unit that we would be utilizing and this is just giving you an idea of what it looks like from the external portion of the the unit itself and as you can see in the bottom left there that's just started and this is directly from the manufacturer themselves this is a these this company is based out of northern minnesota and they've been operational for three generations what's really cool about these units is they utilize a technology that is epa certified which is a product that they created i don't know somewhere i think maybe four or five years ago it's epa registered and it is also patented the epa has now adopted this unit as tech for testing other units to see if they can actually qualify and meet the standards that they want through this unit the unit that they have is i believe it's called a vapor fire and you can find it on the kuma website but it's a vapor fire and that's a wood burning furnace because in a lot of areas in northern minnesota and northern portion of the country still use wood as furnaces and this is a very extremely efficient unit and this utilizes the exact same technology and unfortunately the epa does not have a standard for sauna units so we are going off of the epa registered unit that is for heating homes and as you can see there's no smoke now i've spent extensive hours now talking with garrett the the owner of the company and the manufacturer of these products and he he the gentleman's like a wealth of information when it comes to just burning wood and saunas and one of the things that they always wanted was to reduce the amount of emissions that they were creating within those units and if you ever had the opportunity to talk to this gentleman he is so passionate about what he's doing like he is very proud of this unit and especially that the epa has adopted using the unit to test other units to see if they qualify for that epa registration within the furnaces themselves so i think that's going to be sufficient david there and what that means is throughout all their testing it's called a 97 burn rate meaning that once the logs start and it's operational that the smoke itself burns off at a 97 efficiency that is very very very low he the way that garrett explains it is it's actually even lower than some of the units that would be exhausting out from the gas and from the electricity or i'm sorry not from electricity but from the gas units yeah i think that's i mean there's a lot of information there but and on top of it my we are in the industrial zone right so there's not a lot of homes over there and i'm i'm hoping that we can consider that take that into consideration with the the amount of homes that are over there and the ability for these units to burn off that smoke so i'm hoping we can take that into consideration and improve those uh thank you for your comments uh so now we're going to go to members of the general public uh and then you'll have an opportunity to respond after they've all gone um if you wouldn't mind sitting down just while they're yeah thank you um so general members of the public will have three minutes each so sorry to time you thanks darlene spore i am one of those few residents over there and um we take our our area very seriously david thank you for presenting information about the the concerns about the roads and the sidewalks that is my primary concern and i think many of our neighbors what are we going to do if we increase traffic um i think the the flyer suggested 220 participants a day that's a lot of increase with seven parking spots i would ask you to take that into consideration um i would also of course want to make sure that the units are accessible for people of all levels of ability that's always an interest of mine um and then i trust the engineers and environmental services office to determine if this gasification system is truly something that's not going to cause my residents across the street to be inundated with smoke every day so i do i'm not an engineer i'm not an expert but i do trust that environmental services will do their due diligence and if you think that that the wood burning option is not something that makes sense there then i support that but again i don't have a problem with businesses going in there we welcome businesses the biggest concern is the amount of traffic and right now traffic is out of control people speed down the road there's a lot of traffic a lot more than there was two years ago it's quadrupled frankly uh in the amount of traffic we also have a lot more pedestrian traffic because of the recycling that's right there and the other businesses restaurants and bars just down the street so we're very concerned about bicycles and about pedestrian traffic and there's not a good bike lane or a good sidewalk there so um overall thank you to the city for thinking about that and to and how important that is to all of us but one of our concerns one of my major concerns is if we're truly increasing by i think 220 is what i read participants per day and there's only seven parking spots i would ask you to rethink what that means for the area thank you hi my name is lynn rouse i also live directly across i get i'm excited about the opportunity to have a sauna and plunge right across the street i think it's a great business idea um my what i would like to bring up is i don't know if we've passed a new light ordinance ordinance and the current building has a light that shines over my building to the back area into the trees back there right into the windows down it's pretty bright and if there's a light ordinance if this new facility could be required to follow the new ordinance and i don't know if there'll be new lights put in you know where the saunas are and adding more light um so i don't know if that ordinance has gone into effect yet or not or that's just that's my concern being with the marsh and all the birds and um the importance of you know not having so much night pollution light light pollution but thank you thank you for letting me speak my name is martin robestow i also live on in the marsh commons area and i sent a a note i don't know if you all got that about what my concerns were and possible solutions um as i understand south g street doesn't really begin until the front road the frontage road it's you you know so i'm i my wording in that was a little bit confusing possibly because i was saying south south g street and g street because it goes all the way to samoa you know and uh one of the things that i really think is going to be helpful for uh slowing traffic down through that area is traffic light where h meets g street at a minimum i think it's necessary i think it's far enough away from samala to uh to justify having it there lights don't interfere with emergency vehicles so it takes care of that problem so i won't go over the rest of this because you sent it i sent it to you but uh i have one question and that's what uh what are you planning to do with uh silt removal for um once the wood is burned uh silt removal is is a concern so thank you for your time uh are there any other members of the public online wishing to comment on this item just the applicant's agent okay uh so now you have an opportunity to respond to anything uh that you heard uh yeah i definitely appreciate the concerns and i think that with everything being said um i do believe that with given a little bit of your help and in time that we could come up with a solution for all of this i think when we address the the amount of foot traffic when we're talking about adding in a new sidewalk in space to park on the street and then we could also increase that amount of spots that we have available i think there we could add in from what i understand i think that we could add up to maybe seven or eight more additional spots plus the the street parking as well and as far as the lights that is going to be negated by what you see there now is what's going to be lit up the saunas will be actually behind the building underneath so there will be no more light pollution that's going to affect the neighbors there um as far as the soot what's really good about that these units burn so hot and so clean that the amount that they create of of soot it turns into basically a dust and what i would do is i would find a an option to work right here with next door which is really great because ecology is there and i'd figure out the best way of disposing of that that um i think that was the three concerns was it yeah thank you yeah okay uh so that and unless you have anything else to but i don't really as far as um the business itself i'm extremely passionate about what we do when it comes to sign and the community itself especially where we are the wood burning stoves themselves is kind of the sense of a tradition it's it's like sitting almost like when you're in those units it's like sitting around a fire the the the sense and the feeling that you get while you're partaking in one of these is something that is dear to me and i believe that it will benefit a lot of people within the area and it does change a lot if we have to change the the heating element so i'm really hoping we could take that in consideration with the amount of technology that are put into these units now and i'm just hoping that we can we can see that i appreciate your time thank you yes sir oh yeah go ahead uh did you say that there would at most be two of these stoves burning at any given time yes sir um and then will these will this be site built like are they the initial ones will not be because obviously we won't even have our um our our building permit to do so ahead of time so some of these units will be built off site but then in the future we would be building them in this area back here is where we'll be building the units and then the other portion of your business is to make those available for outside public to purchase is that that is correct yeah so and right now already within i haven't even started the business and we've we've already gotten people interested in placing orders which is really awesome because it's the way that we're approaching this within the shipping containers we're trying to do something that not too many people are doing that out in the us at least for manufacturing and are they is that eight 20-foot shipping containers in the image there or are they yeah those are four 40s yeah those are all 20-foot containers depending on what we come up with i'm hoping that these might be connected at some point as long as we have the proper exit area but yeah those are 20-foot containers basically essentially making a square how are you going to work on a shipping container in that small manufacturing area yeah well i mean it's a it's got a big enough hole in there so we would bring that in and then what we would do is we would just have it inside and then the hole would be the holes inside of here that allow us to uh to work on it it's definitely got enough room to do it yeah a couple questions for david first you were cut off but you were saying that the project was referred to him because i'm quite i'm wondering about the air quality um and the wood burning yeah the prop projects were referred to all of our internal departments including engineering and environmental services i did want to mention that um you know to to the commenters uh statement that they trust environmental services uh determination on this we did not look at the the stoves for emissions um and in fact um because of the conversation around the policy that we just adopted in 2024 prohibiting uh wood-fired appliances um we were operating under the assumption of an approval with a condition that they find another heat source and so just to be 100 clear for you know the applicant and for the public the way that the um proposal is or the the way the project is written up right now it's for approval with the condition that they not use wood-fired uh heat the applicant is requesting that you change that condition and allow for wood-fired heat and so that's i think that's where the the conundrum comes in i am not sure how we make an approval for what clearly would be wood-fired appliances uh you know these these saunas that are um you know units that create heat through a wood-fired system and those are new appliances i don't i don't know how we make that approval with the the language the way that it is in the the general plan right now if the commission wants to get creative i can you know work to try and get creative if the commission doesn't feel that you know those creative ideas land or you're you're feeling like in particular based on the conversation we had just last night with the council where they reaffirmed uh the the position that was adopted in 2024 uh then you know the the applicant you know you can approve it the way that it is and the applicant can seek an appeal okay um thank you for that response don't projects like like other i guess yeah i'll move on really quick i'll first state that i'm interested in being uh creative in this sense this is something that i haven't seen before that's not something i've heard about before and it sounds like there could be more research done on our end to potentially entertain this idea even if it were for a trial period or like one of the units can be wood fire the other electrical and so that's that's one take the second thing i wanted to say with regard to the lighting could we add a condition of approval that requires that the lighting that is existing be faced downward or that the that they come into compliance with with our like existing lighting ideas or ordinances so that's another question i had absolutely i made a note in my um on my notes to to recommend that actually that the condition be added that the uh existing exterior lighting and any new exterior lighting meet the uh dark sky dark sky compliance policies that we have in our general plan okay and lastly for the applicant is i'm not interested in you adding more parking spaces from my understanding from the materials is there like um other places in town do you're operating on people come on like a half hour and one hour increments so this isn't going to be like 220 people coming in a day and they're all parking at the same time um so it's my understanding like are the seven spaces enough for any you know given hour block people are getting changed other people have arrived they're getting changed they're getting prepared to get into get into these spaces are seven parking spaces enough and the math that you've done yeah so my first initial thought when we were doing all these is anywhere from 10 to 12 spots were 10 vehicles at any one given time with seven there spots on the road and then there's the additional parking on the the next road over you know they could walk down um so 10 to 12 would be like the ideal number which i think that we could still also add some into that parking lot if needed great thank you and then just final point is that i live on south g street i'm so aware of how lacking it is in infrastructure for pedestrians and bicyclists and i completely understand it's not on this one applicant to install those improvements um like any applicant will tell you he's ever had to put in sidewalk gutters curbs like it's not inexpensive so i'm not looking at you to do that but i am very hopeful that the grant that's been proposed it will be uh approved and we can see those improvements because there's nothing better than being able to walk to the marsh and it's like a safe walk to the marsh uh let's hear from ashton and then we'll go to you peter yeah thanks um i guess i had a few questions around the shipping containers themselves and the plans for like insulation and accessibility into them because we know that they're built with those hss members and kind of getting up to there so maybe you could um just kind of talk me through that um is sarah on because she's the she's my engineer that's helping with it and we're going to be fully compliant to make sure that everything is ada compliance and the go ahead sir i'm here i'm guys can hear me um so these will be uh permitted through a standard building permit for a commercial building even though they're in shipping containers we still have to need the commercial building code um so any conditions based will still mean title 24 and be fully accessible yes great yeah i think i was like more specifically curious around what insulation you were proposing because shipping containers just like have all sorts of challenges but you know i trust that they will follow all building codes um i think yeah i also just kind of want to voice that i do really believe in technology as a solution to support kind of the burning of the smoke um that would be coming out of this and so you know not not having been around for that 2024 determination and kind of being aware and involved of the past kind of couple of meetings around wood burning in arcada you know i think that this is a bigger conversation and i appreciate abby's kind of support of some creative ideas around how we might be able to support this because i understand from a business perspective and while that might not be the purview of the planning commission i do recognize the cost of heat and um or gas and electric as alternative solutions would most likely render this business like infeasible um and you know i think i guess i'm just kind of curious to understand more if the engineering department were to look into this technology specifically if they would have any recommendations or additional thoughts um that we could i mean obviously not in this meeting but hear from um and i'm sure we have quite a few comments from peter thanks and thanks for your presentation i think your business idea is a great idea i think burning wood is a bad idea and here's why we already exceed the particulate emission standards for epa particulate for the the the smallest particles in the humboldt bay region for over a month of days a year and as people said here tonight there are a lot of people that live real close to where you are and i have a lot of experience with gasification technology and those are nice words that you said but yes there are particulates coming out of the smokestack and yes they are unhelpful and i just can't support burning wood in arcada you know if you insulate those containers which i assume you're gonna right yes um if you burn gas it won't take that much gas if you can heat one of those containers with four pounds of wood you can heat it with a small amount of gas you know energy is energy depending on independent of where it comes from and you know the public health in arcada cannot we just can't have more particulate in the air in arcada i realize you know you got a love of wood and wood fires and all that but i just can't support it and i don't think we as a city should support wood burning can i just kind of comment to that peter because i'm very well aware of the indoor air quality issues with burning natural gas you know and so i think that i kind of just like i'm sitting here with like okay there's these this like modified system with gasification that does eliminate certain particulates and so you know it's indoor air quality outdoor air quality i think i i struggle to kind of understand which is worse here well a good appliance you know a good gas appliance is safe but this isn't indoors it's outdoors it's just under a canopy so certainly you could burn gas safely without adding particulate to the air okay um oh yeah go ahead dan uh boy this sure brings us back around to the larger topic uh as presented at that end of the dais it's uh getting off of petroleum is always a goal and natural gas is a petroleum product so um you know an electric electricity sounds expensive the finnish country saunas have been running gas to their facility for years and uh probably most of us have been through there a time or two or many um you know i appreciate peter's point about if you know how how much gas how super insulated how tight will these things be and maybe it's i i don't know i unfortunately runs into numbers game but and i'll i'm sorry for going around in circles a little bit the the other numbers game that we just don't have is is uh how much particulate is too much is zero the goal if it's um does gas gasification get us anywhere close to a livable place um with wood burning products and i you know this isn't something we're going to resolve here tonight obviously it feels like it's the city kind of process needs to chew on this for a bit um i i therefore kind of i do feel stuck in this situation i i feel stuck by the 24 uh code amendment that says that we actually can't pass this without you know breaching that i don't even know what that process would look like i do like the comments about boy i wish there was a creative solution i really do i love this business model i think it's a great location for it i love the improvements to south g street we already have a few places down there that are destinations for the public to go and this feels like it's a very creative use of a formerly ugly industrial property um anyway i i hope that we can massage this and come up with numbers that work for you and for air quality i just want to state um code is created and technology advanced advances so like i understand the code that we have in front of us and we're being asked to make a decision based on that but technology is constantly changing and i don't feel comfortable watching a youtube excerpt and being like oh that's it that's the answer and that's that's what i want to like place my bets on but i also don't feel comfortable not having um our our staff and all of our experienced um you know team members looking at this through a different light and so my question is is this decision being made tonight going to make or break you or if this meeting were to be continued while we do some information gathering and seeking and we're to come back and have this conversation again would that be an issue for you would you personally okay in the meantime what's really cool about it is that i actually we reached out to david and we were like why don't we just have one burning outside i was literally going to put one on a trailer and bring it then i was like well if i get i might get ticketed because i'm burning wood on this new unit but i have one you know i have a unit and i would say that we could make a demonstration of it because it's important to see and if we can test those particulates and we can see what what's coming out and if it doesn't work then it doesn't work and i'll accept that so i heard a suggestion there which is that we could continue this and come back with more of a discussion about gasification technology creative solutions for complying with the general plan while also allowing businesses to go forward and i think if we all or a majority of us feel that that would be beneficial then continuing the conversation at this point might be sort of redundant um how do you how do you feel about that david and also how do my fellow commissioners feel about that um for from staff's point of view we're happy to continue the hearing and um come back with a you know additional information that we can find about gasification um i can tell you that no one on our staff is an expert in gasification but we can do our best to put information together um if if i'm hearing the discussion correctly i think one of the important factors is not can i see the smoke coming out of the wood stack or the smokestack but what particulates are coming out of the smokestack and for the epa rating or whatever the the certification that was done that's what the commission is interested in not in seeing a demonstration of the unit and i'll just say the epa certifies a lot of really dirty items and objects in our lives um that i in my professional career i'm often trying to advocate that we get rid of um and so just because it has an epa certification for me isn't enough i would want to see like the actual you know amounts of emissions that it's that it's submitting um and we can make a decision as the city of arcada about what we feel is appropriate with that information can i just make a side note i know that i had initially said that oh it would be like interesting if there was like a trial period where we allowed them to do this thing but we can't actually include special conditions unless they're relevant to findings that are being made and so that may not be relevant we we likely wouldn't be like maybe we'll let you do this for a year and then we'll see what happens i think from a you know business um operations standpoint a trial period is the same as a denial um they're probably not going to be willing to take the chance that they can operate for a year build a you know build a business model and then have to pull the plug because you know there's too many particulates coming out i think that you know my recommendation is that the the planning commission make a decision based on the information that's in the record now give them authorization to to to do it um with you know with conditions or give them the authorization to do it you know without those conditions um so we'll do our best to put together some information about you know what particulates you know come out of these units if they've been raided um and as much information about the you know gasification process that's happening inside these units that we can for your review um that'll give us time also to uh you know take a look at um you know solutions for the entry to the property and um and fencing uh i'll ask the applicants to think a little bit more about the fencing and and how that works for them and landscaping too please i'm sorry what was that landscaping just like generally where we're requiring that yeah they may be able to address where they plan to put landscaping today but it's fine to do when we we return as well can i add one more clarifying question to that yeah there was bike parking talked about in the proposal where would that be on the site there just to the right of that oh i see it i see it okay thank you yeah go ahead yeah just a thought um there's uh cities all over the nation that have banned wood stoves or wood appliances and i'm my curiosity has peaked as to whether or not they've said except for these and if there is an except for i'd sure like to know about it to help further this discussion yeah let me just say the issue for me is public health we already live in an air basin that has unhealthy air because of wood stoves some a lot dirtier than the one that was described here we live in an air basin that is you know doesn't meet federal requirements quite a few days and we should not be adding more particulates to an air which is already unhealthy that's that's what i'm seeing i think we've all heard you loud and clear peter um okay so just to be clear i think all five of us would approve the project right now with gas or electric heating but you would rather we continue the project to consider some sort of with a solution and if it's not it then that's something that i'd have to accept and move forward so okay david do you feel like you have good direction on this uh i do accept i'd appreciate a motion second and a formal vote to continue this item to the regularly scheduled hearing on june 23rd i'll move to approve uh the continuation of the hearing to the regularly scheduled meeting on june 23rd second we have a motion and a second all in favor aye aye okay thank you very much and we'll see you in a couple weeks um we have no business items this evening uh do any planning commissioners have any correspondence or communications i will miss the meeting on june 23rd um i have a request and i don't know how quickly this is possible um to change but i would love to receive the agenda packets for these meetings um i don't know how quickly this evening i don't know how possible that is but i don't know how possible that is but there's part of me as a community member that likes to survey my community based on the information that is in the packets and what we'll be reviewing and i'm unable to do that with such short notice so i'm just requesting for a couple extra days if possible um i don't know how long or what the approvals process for something like that would be and i understand administratively it's hard to do and make changes like that just a request i would second that request if it's possible david i both for us and for the public i think having more time to review information in the staff packet would improve community engagement i know that's potentially more work for staff but i i feel like there's a balance to be struck about you know getting the information in front of people in a timely way i um i just had a question david if we as um commissioners have individual um requests just potentially of items to be brought forward to the commission should we bring them up during this time or should we just email you separately i'm just curious with this um yeah it kind of depends on the nature of the request if it's something simple you just want to check in with staff that's fine to reach out to us separately if you are hoping to build a head of steam like um you know i don't know let's say you know advance the packet by a day or more uh that's a good thing to try and build some coalitions with uh in front of your colleagues okay mine is um just during our study session i had brought up like the use of ai and materials and i have seen in other jurisdictions the use of ai and like city um like distributed materials they have taken a stance of like we will not use ai and the materials we distribute and so i don't know just kind of something that i feel passionate about and would like our jurisdiction the use of ai and city materials i feel like it might be sort of outside of our maybe i'll just report real quick that the city is currently trying to develop a policy around ai and until we do that the the marching orders is to not use ai never mind uh dan yeah uh we all probably noticed that alex forwarded a uh flash poll is that what it's called you know to further that along and i think we should all be challenged to spread those around you know five each or however we can do it yeah and tell people about the sam sip south g arcada multimodal improvement project uh because there's interest in it from people living on south g who didn't know about it so we got to spread the word um anyone else have any communications lots of communications david do you have any communications i just have a couple of quick ones um first the um i'm gonna you know take every opportunity to celebrate every milestone no matter how small for the local coastal program so uh i formally submitted the lcp to coastal staff last week um worked with ben noble our consultant to pull the entire package together he did a fantastic job of organizing all the material and um you know presenting a really um thorough application package explaining all of the the changes that we were proposing and so that was a great feeling um we're heading out for uh for coffee with my staff on friday morning so if you if you want to go up to celebrate this minor milestone meet us here at city hall and then i also wanted to report um that the uh i as the zoning administrator held a hearing last thursday and approved a project on tanglewood that on a vacant parcel on tanglewood that had proposed two primary units and two accessory dwelling units and the neighbors were uh um understandably perplexed at the scale and scope of you know development at their neighborhood in a neighborhood that was traditionally you know single family single story predominantly and uh we had several members of the public come and speak on that i did inform them uh about the housing accountability act um and um let them know that we didn't have a whole lot of latitude but that i would report that to the uh planning commission i did inform them that there was uh that i was approving it and that there was a uh an appeal process that they could go through if they wished um and i let them know at that time that i would inform the planning commission that uh that decision had been made in the event that the planning commission wishes to appeal the zoning administrator's decision on their behalf so now i've reported that where's tanglewood tanglewood is um if you go up california california and then hang a left uh you'll hit tanglewood uh from the first street from what i understand about the project based on the description tonight and briefly mentioned last night without having seen any documentation i think it's great because there's additional density so um good job it was pretty in line and i let them know that as well that it's pretty in line with the policy direction that we were receiving from the council and from from the planning commission but i did let them know that i would make this uh notice to you and now i've done that okay thank you david yeah uh with that i am going to adjourn this meeting um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um Thank you. 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Thank you. you know attain these these different setbacks they obviously don't have a you know complete tear down rebuild and so we have to get a little creative what's being proposed here you know is that they're the sidewalk is largely proposed to remain as it is in place currently it's you know between five and and four and a half feet depending on what street you're on six feet on on in street but they are adding those bulb outs that you saw on the plan view of the project so they're trying to anticipate the the broader bulb outs at the crossings you know ultimately that will all be in filled with nice wide sidewalks and they're not proposing any amenity zone that they that they will build any amenities own at this time and so the street is largely as it currently stands you would see it in the future you know when they after their build is done it wouldn't look any different except for the the bulb outs on the sides here and a little bit of continuation of that as you see here but we currently have and I'm not sure what the next slide looks like okay so we currently have you know 50 foot wide right-of-way so what we did was we we essentially took that plan that conceptual model and then looked at what's in the standard for both sides of the street there's active frontage on both sides of the street and then anticipated what would happen if in the future everything is built out what will we need to accommodate that full plan build out right now they have a landscaping strip and you know they're doing a very nice job of landscaping the proposed landscaping here is I mean there are very few projects that come in with this amount of detail and attention to landscaping the variety of plants that are being put in here this is a very very nice job of landscaping and so you know that is in a lot of ways an amenity right from the start David is green the existing green is the proposed landscaping so it's going to shrink from what it presently is well not not in the immediate build this is what you see on the plan set is what they're proposing but how do we get to that active frontage type in the future is kind of what we're leading up to here you know we've got the existing sidewalks you know with the the sizes that they're built out at and then this is showing the the proposed in a night street and in an eight street bulb outs at eight and a half and ten feet respectively and what we're suggesting in in the conditions of approval and we need to verify that it's written correctly is that we get about a six foot easement along eighth and ninth streets to allow for the standard as it's described in the current gateway code so that if the city comes in and has a project and we can add those features or if the adjacent parcel comes in and puts in you know a 50 75 hundred million dollar project and we ask them we want you to wrap that that frontage around the the entire block that we already have the rights to do that at this point we're not proposing to actually build anything on the property but to secure the easement so that in the future you can build now these are we've estimated Kelsey and I have gone back and forth and I've got my chicken scratch here that I can hopefully answer any questions about how we got to the six feet but what we're asking is for a little bit of flexibility that the the city engineer would ultimately establish what that easement is based on a little bit more work that we could do to flesh out what the design would look like but we're approximating six feet on eighth and ninth streets what is the blue area the blue area is the area that we're proposing for a public right-of-way so i'm asking what's it going to look like when the project is finished currently it's going to look as they've proposed it uh what we're going to recommend is that they don't put uh you know expensive woody species in that uh in that setback area and that they may want to modify their plan uh to uh you know to accommodate some future development there we don't have any plans i don't have a source of funds i don't even have uh you know uh you know real well-defined plan set of of what the future would look like all i know from the conceptual plans and from the gateway code is that we're going to need about six feet uh to accommodate what's what's planned i get it but um so the blue area will be landscaped today they'll landscape it yeah um and the way this might affect the project as you see uh they've got a proposed um uh storage locker here for for some uh recycling and solid waste uh it might be prudent to move that back a little bit so that if the uh amenity zone is built out it doesn't interfere with that that public amenity zone but we're not proposing to build the public amenity zone now and we're not um we don't have a concept of when that would happen so for all i know uh they put this landscaping in and it it looks like landscaping for the next 20 years last question i don't want to belabor this but um if you get your one-way couplets in the future you have a 50-foot right away presently does that typically accommodate the goals that you just showed us the graphic on um with the public facing sidewalk and the 50 it fits within the 50 feet it does not it does not it does not so on each parcel we'll be having similar dialogue with the applicant yeah so if you recall um from the gateway area plan or or from the the code itself actually has a really nice graphic that shows uh an imaginary property line falling somewhere in the public realm and it really is going to be dependent on the parcel and we can we can probably pull that up and show you but it's really going to be dependent on the parcel we have about 64 feet in these active frontage areas of road bike sidewalk and um amenity space and uh and active frontage space so if you if you line those out from one side of the street to the other it's about 60 64 feet we have 50 feet of public right-of-way now and so there was always the plan that these new projects as they came in we're going to contribute to that more vibrant public right-of-way there were two main reasons for this one is because we're anticipating taller buildings taller buildings wider setbacks from buildings creates more space and eliminates and alleviates some of those concerns that we have about shading so giving a little bit wider public right-of-way in fact uh you know accommodates some of the space that you need to have those taller buildings and not feel like you're you're completely closed in and the other thing was that there's you know right right now most sidewalks in the city of arcadia you're lucky to have five feet and many of them have a telephone pole right in the middle of them so you got if you're lucky three feet of clear on the outside of that or inside of that telephone pole what we're trying to do here is to make really nice public spaces starting with the sidewalks um so just to kind of sum up this portion of it the pedestrian realm as it's identified in the um the gateway code which includes a landscape amenity uh the street side would be on this side in this image so landscape amenity going back from the curb and those would have places to park your bikes maybe some benches some trees planted and that sort of thing you'd have an eight foot wide sidewalk and then the active frontage is intended to be used as you know kind of a flex space where you know the businesses might put tables and chairs uh to to have you know customers sit and enjoy a beverage or whatever any questions about the easements that we're asking for uh at this stage so we're not asking the applicant to build anything we're just asking them to allow us to have space to build it in the future when we have the uh ability to do so and wrapping up so the project the design review and gateway use permit does require quite a few findings a lot of them are duplicative but we reviewed um for the use permit they were the standard use permit findings for the land use code listed here and then the specific gateway code findings were will not impede redevelopment of the surrounding properties which it complies it doesn't and minor in nature contributes to the vibrancy of the gateway area and the applicant has put in so much work to make this a very vibrant development and the design review findings are the same as we have reviewed for the land use code with the only addition being um alternative methods achieve intent of deviation of standards so although they're deviating does it still meet the intent of the gateway district and staff finds that it does did you want to add to that okay so the biggest part of this project's non-conforming or non-conformance is the lack of residential there is no residential proposed and there's no anticipation for residents residential uses to be proposed so that's the biggest one but the other non-conforming the non-conforming use permit findings include on the same parcel which it is it's not a heavy industrial use and off-site mitigation impacts or off-site impact mitigation and as for the sequa compliance staff founds a staff found that it meets the common sense sequa exemption the site is listed on a cortese list but after communication with the regional water quality board and the department of humboldt county health and human services okay they reviewed the proposed project and they didn't have any issue with it they just asked that the project comply with the existing soil management plan and no further environmental review is needed so the conditions of approval for this project include that soil groundwater contingency management planned and waste diversion planning so the applicant shall prepare and implement the contingency plan addressing the potential soil or groundwater disturbances with coordinate with coordination with the regional water quality board and the applicant shall submit a construction operation waste diversion plan consistent with the city requirements to the environmental services department the applicant shall submit a drainage plan to environmental services before the issuance of a building permit and the public access easement that we discussed today shall be recorded prior to the certificate of occupancy and the last one is air quality so the arcada 2045 general plan eliminated or prohibited the installation of wood burning appliances and new construction for commercial and industrial uses so a condition of approval that we discussed is that the applicant shall not install any wood burning appliances or open flame wood burning fixtures wood burning fixtures this would include the fire pit that they propose in the courtyard on the project site for the life of the permit yeah so you're saying there is no fire pit because earlier you mentioned a fire pit yeah what if i could just jump in real quick what i would say is that the um the proposal includes a fire pit in the courtyard area would really like the applicants to speak to that i will note that the fire pit is not a wood burning appliance it doesn't specifically conform to that uh you know what what was explicitly dealt with in the general plan and so um you know i would say if it was a you know wood stove for heating the interior of the space we'd have a pretty strong recommendation for um you know denying that um i think there's some some discretion here and i i think it'd be good to hear from the applicant um and last slide so lastly staff recommends that um you approve the design review permit and the gateway use permit for the yurok natural resource campus by adopting the sequa exemption for the common sense exemption the action and finding of approval the conditions of approval and the approved plan set that's it thank you very much uh do we have any other clarifying questions before i open it up to public comment yeah i'm wondering if if you can explain a little bit more how you find it consistent even though it doesn't meet the housing requirements like what's the justification there um the hazard requirements for a categorical exemption no specifically i mean i don't remember the phrasing that you used but um it was something like that we find the project consistent with the gateway area like intent of the gateway area with the exception of not fulfilling the housing and so i was curious the housing house yes oh i'm sorry i thought you said hazards um yes so there there were two pathways uh for non-conforming uses in uh in the gateway that we embedded one was if someone was proposing something that didn't conform to the standards but otherwise achieved all the objectives um and so that that was one pathway the other pathway that we created and um you know was in order to protect existing businesses to allow existing non-conforming businesses to expand and not need to meet those other requirements of the gateway code so this was you know specifically envisioned certainly discussed um and there was a what i would consider light non-conformity in the in the gateway code that was implemented uh specifically for these purposes so even though it doesn't provide the housing that's required to meet the ministerial pathway there's nothing in the gateway code that prohibits projects that don't have housing thank you okay um i'm gonna open up public comment uh since this is a public hearing on a discretionary item the applicant may go first we will not limit your time but we ask that you be succinct the public will then have the opportunity to comment on the project speakers will be limited to three minutes each uh the applicant will have the opportunity to comment or rebut any statements when all public comment is complete applicants on quasi-judicial matters are afforded this full due process to ensure fairness uh i don't know if this is full due process this extra level of due process um when i open public comment at large and and if you are in person please feel free to line up behind the lectern if you are on zoom please raise your hand by selecting the raise hand icon on the right side of your screen or by pressing star nine on your phone the clerk will unmute you when it is your turn to speak feel free to state your name for the record um can we please begin with the applicant um i just want to acknowledge for the applicant team as well that we have several folks uh online that are um part of your team or presenting or representing the yurok tribe as well and so i'm not sure you'll have to let me know how you want to manage the folks that are online i was planning on just opening up the main points and if there are there may be some of the applicants that just want to share their appreciation for the project and i also have julian berg architect if you guys have any questions about the character and design of the building okay so maybe if i could ask folks that are online that are um part of the project team uh representing the yurok tribe or are with the yurok tribe if you could just go ahead and raise your hands if you intend to speak and i'll uh end up unmuting you and then and then you can join as um as it seems like it's necessary is this where i'm supposed to come just let me know when when i'm ready to go okay um thank you very much my name is praj white and i'm with north point consulting group i'm very grateful to have been able to work with the yurok tribe their natural resources campus team and the yurok tribe construction corporation we teamed with points west julian berg and our office to help bring this project to this point and bring it to share with the commission today for your consideration i first just kind of wanted to go ahead and thank first the client for actively participating and looking out for what they wanted to see you know they really set out to have a presence in arcada to house their natural resource campus i can't go into exact detail of that groups but they study a lot of natural resources from fish and flora and fauna and they collect a whole lot of data within the community and they're looking for a safe secure well connected internet and modernized office space and so they found themselves here in arcada um and you know we they came in and um so first one to thank them i want to thank points west did a great job on the survey and getting us really clear on where this building sets and working with julian who had a very attentive ear to our client so um with that i and i guess i want to extend my thanks to staff ended up meeting met several times with public works staff with planning staff with david and really trying to understand this code and move forward and i think that kind of the greater challenges came around having existing facilities on the site versus the vision gateway hub district and so i appreciate how staff went out to identify those deviations and as i was helping guide and bring the project forward you know the continued uses was really kind of the core of the focus of our guiding through that code so we really saw that it was really professional office space and business and that's really what the tribe intends to have go forward so kind of mentioned what the tribe's goal was um they really guided us and wanted to have a place that they could have pride in and invest if you look at some of the architectural drawings you have the entrance on n street you have the classic kind of um redwood plank structure that you may see up in the yurok area you have the round entry door goes through security entrance area and you see through to a large conference room and it's set with sliding glass doors and open so that you know there may be that um you know there's a lot of pride there they could actually hold and host a tribal council meeting here on this property and it may work for them when you come to that front door and you look through that opens up and you can see right through to the courtyard just the way that the property lines up and so just wanting to address the fire pit the idea was that maybe there would be an event where they would hold tribal council and maybe they would want to have a salmon barbecue and share that so the fire pit is it's an ask but it's a rare ask to fit in the fire pit and the fire pit is a kind of the cultural experience of housing those meetings so if there's some simple exemption for that ability it's not intended to be a gas stove and people hang out outside and stay warm around a fireplace it's set to be very specific for the yard for the yard experience and the use of the building um i want to touch in on those items and um also wanted to touch in on the right of way i mentioned points west and the surveying so you guys had a couple questions about the easements and how things fit and so when the design and documents we've submitted we scratched our heads a lot of times on making sure that from center line of right away to face a curb that the one-way street the diagonal parking the bike lane and all those things actually fit exactly right within that street so you don't end up moving curb line anywhere and those pedestrian bicycle and vehicle functions all work exactly within the street is once you get to the back of walk that there's some deviation of the side of the size of sidewalk the positioning of landscaping and how that fits together so um i really think that the question of you know does this project with the bulb outs anticipate the type of parking and the type of transportation modes that will happen yes it does and the easements reserve the right for in the future if the active frontage or wider sidewalks become necessary uh or to be fitting and consistent with the other development in the area um you know just following the codes the driveways the site is getting upgraded for accessibility so that there'll be bypasses and or excuse me not bypasses will actually ramp down the driveways in a way that the someone is excessively challenged will be able to stay within the sidewalk footprint and so it ends up that we are modernizing quite a bit of sidewalk dealing with as david mentioned there are fire hydrants and power poles and things that we have to accommodate and not only get accessibility by but wider walkways and so um and then magically we have it designed so it all drains if you're aware it's very flat down in that part of town and so we have very little thresholds to get the gradient so we've fine-tuned accessibility and drainage um some of the challenges that come up in considering those wider sidewalks since you have the structure already close to the sidewalk and so you end up having to change structure elevations and different things to accommodate that so um we were able to have a great chat with staff and really dig into all of those issues um and on top of the required changes for accessibility then the landscaping and the commitment from this applicant kind of shows in the application package that they're really committed to doing a great job and i think it'll be something everybody can be proud of uh to see this first gateway project move forward um that was really i think i could try to answer a couple of questions that i heard as you guys were going through like i said there is additional staff on the call that if you guys have some questions try to field them um but that's all i had for my presentation so thank you for uh hearing it out and look forward to any questions or your approval of the project this evening thank you thank you uh is there anyone else from the applicant team online who would like to speak uh can anybody hear me julian burke yeah sorry go ahead julian oh hello david and staff and team um i'm sitting here in my car which is not a typical architect thing to do because i like to point and click and do my uh show there in person but here we are i'm traveling to uh meet family for a gathering here so apologize i'm not there but um braj did a great job communicating some of the architectural elements um i just wanted to say a few words about the project i'm really honored to be working on it with the yurok tribe and north point consulting it's really a fantastic project for the city um you know and as kelsey went into this is an adaptive reuse of the existing office light industrial complex which poses challenges because we were um stuck with the the footprints of these buildings and trying to make it work with a relative a fairly complex program that the tribe uh presented to us and it wasn't and it wasn't an easy task to arrive at the design we have but through many meetings with the tribe um we came up with a layout that was going to work really well for them and provide the office space they need the meeting space a nice entry and uh lobby space restrooms and then of course the light industrial areas for the equipment storage and vehicular uh parking behind secure gates um and then also future expansion space so um they are just thrilled with this layout and it's going to work beautifully for them for the long haul they of course anticipate being here for decades to come and they're also really excited being part of arcada and near cal poly humboldt uh there's a lot of synergy that could happen there um and i i know you've all seen the architectural drawings so i won't go into too much about that but um we worked hard to create sort of a plank house look to it that would give a real feel for uh or honor the the signature of the yurok tribe and something they're going to be proud of and they're going to be to work in um we have the plank look siding this stepped roof to break up the mass of the large building redwood beam and knee brace details there's lots of windows for natural light skylight features um and of course david mentioned the landscape plan is quite extensive we're using all native landscaping and uh and um we work closely with one of the tribal members who specialize within native planting and landscapes to help create this uh vision for the layout so that's uh really and i'm here to answer any questions that you may have uh and uh i'll leave it at that thank you thank you uh go ahead dean yeah good evening chair and commissioners my name is dean beck i'm the project manager for the yurok tribe construction corporation i'm here to respectfully ask for your yes vote on the gateway use permit and gateway design review permit for the yurok natural resource campus the project is a reuse of of the existing light industrial buildings we're not adding significant mass we are improving what's already there upgrading building aids facade removing an old shed to create a shared courtyard and adding and adding low impact culturally informed landscaping that exceeds gateway standards and uses native drought tolerant species important to the yurok people the campus will support up to 39 employees initially natural resource professionals working on water quality wetlands air quality climate resilience condor re-induction and salmon habitat while implementing the bicycle facilities consistent with the gateway area plan we respectfully request your approval thank you for your time thank you uh so i'm going to open it up to general public comment now uh members of the general public will have three minutes each to comment on this item uh if you're in person and would like to comment please line up behind the lectern and if you're on zoom please uh raise your hand or press star nine uh no one in person anyone on zoom okay uh with that i'm going to close public comment on this item and move to our discussion um would anyone like to begin with anything sure uh thanks for this project this is a wonderful project and welcome to arcada uh in my role at the shot center i've worked with the yurok tribe for over a decade and i'm real glad that they're coming down here near to where we are i think the design is great i have two concerns one has to do with the fire pit and i understand the the the cultural need to have the fire pit and to um to use it for activities that are culturally appropriate um it is i i mean david you pointed out it's not a wood stove it's worse than a wood stove to have an open fire um i think that if it's used infrequently it's it's fine if it were used frequently i think that wouldn't be good for the city i think it would add to the air pollution that we have especially in the winter here so i don't know what to suggest really about that um i'm open to suggestions so that's the one concern i have the second concern is associated with the wash water from the boat storage so in the conditions it says that the floor drain shall not be used to discharge boat wash down water into the sewer without prior review and approval by the city and you know if we're going to make that sequa exemption it's really important that invasive species don't get introduced i mean it could be a disaster so how are we i mean what's really going to happen if that boat comes back from some kind of research activity i mean is the city going to be there every time they wash the boat i'm worried about that it it could be it could be environmentally bad if an invasive species was introduced and i'm not quite sure how this is really going to work in real life you know five years from now is every time the boat get what gets washed down is it going to be checked and how is it going to be checked and i i'm a little uncertain about that so those are my two concerns otherwise i think it's a fabulous project and you know thanks it's the it's a great first gateway project um so i'm going to start with the first concern the air quality i when i when we put this in the general plan i was really thinking about indoor air quality and sort of indoor heating and indoor heating appliances and so i guess i wasn't personally envisioning an outdoor fire pit as the kind of thing that this section would be prohibiting and then even if it is being prohibited by this i i personally feel that this would be a good example of a place to give a uh an exception given the cultural use you know the applicant said it would be used infrequently um you know that's my personal preference on that one and so maybe we can hear from our other two commissioners on that particular issue before we move on to the other one yeah on the fire pit i'm all for the exception for this project um and it does seem like infrequently use i i would be disappointed if it was like a forever you know presence in the neighborhood down there putting smoke up but uh the tradition of the salmon bake and all that goes on with the tribe is so renowned i can't imagine that this isn't a place where that option at least ceremonially should be able to occur i agree but let me just say air quality outside is an issue in in arcada and wood smoke is dangerous smells good but it's poisonous i'm fine with the the ceremonial fire use i think it's a fine exception in my opinion okay so that's one note to you guys is we're not going to be not allowing the wood fire pit um on your second concern does staff have any comments on the the boat washing um i'll ask kelsey because i think you had direct uh conversations with uh with our environmental services team yeah so in the request for comments our environmental services team requested that i include that as a condition and it wouldn't be that they're checking it every time it's that there is a certain drainage plan that they need to submit to show that invasive species would not be introduced into the sewer and i don't know the specifics on what that drainage plan looks like but it there is a process it seems like to do so um is anyone from the applicants team who could speak on this yeah thank you for giving me a chance to add to that you know the nature of bringing vehicles and trailers and boats around is that you get a lot of mud and different things fall off of it and so this floor drain is not intended to be the location where boats are washed and cleaned out it's incidental to cleaning the floor and the situation that occurs in there and so when we're talking about a floor drain for boat wash it's really for cleaning up the floor due to the issues of bringing equipment in and out and that you know it isn't intended that this is where you come wash your car wash your boat out or clean things the intention is that we want to keep a clean garage because right next to it is going to be storage for the survey equipment and batteries and field data collecting equipment and so it's about keeping a good clean environment for storing of the boats and facilities so you know as there could be a condition i think you was read to you'd have to get additional approval from the city in order to use it as a wash rack if you will but that's not the intent the intent is that you need to clean up your floor once in a while because you've been coming and going during inclement weather and just kind of pull everything out and you have a floor drain to wash it out so does that answer the question a little bit i think so and then there was also our environment services are adding some sort of catchment device to that floor drain in in addition yeah i think that's if it's intended to be used in that way i think when we sent out the referral there was a question mark among environmental services staff um you know we have the same same types of concerns with the you know car wash um and you know you have to add uh you know separators uh to to intercept those um and i think you know i mean i don't know if there's anybody on uh the yurok team that can speak to this but you know this is a highly professional organization that has you know very uh thorough um uh you know processes to to ensure that they're not you know migrating invasive species um you know this is something that's also regulated by you know fish and wildlife there's there's a lot of regulations around it i agree 100 with commissioner lehman that you know if if we were to create a land use that were you know somehow introducing invasive species to the bay um you know that would be a travesty but i i just don't think that the nature and the types of operations that the yurok uh natural resources division um you know conducts are um you know of that nature and you know typically you have to wash down as soon as you leave the water there's there's a boat wash down area um and i don't know if there's anyone who can speak to that in the uh tonight but um but i think that that would be typical so there's there's a both and on the one hand you know typical uh practices that you know may ensure that the the boats are maintained in a way that they're not transporting invasive species on the one hand and then also on the other hand um if they were to use this facility in that way our environmental services department wouldn't want to make sure that they have the right types of interceptors to to protect the the treatment plant and the bay ultimately does that help satisfy your concern peter i guess huh i um yeah i the the review and approval by the city seems still vague to me i i'd like to know more about it i i'm sure the yurok fisheries department will be careful i'm sure um it's just that the you know history is full of people who were being careful and you know there were inadvertent species introduced so i'm nervous about it but i guess i'll say okay go ahead i do have uh one of the project team online that maybe is wanting to address the process so let me unmute them and uh go ahead dj yes uh can you hear me okay yeah we can okay great i just wanted to thank the commission and uh the project team uh north point and uh julian berg and and the rest of the project team for for really uh supporting this project i'm um with the fisheries department i'm a project engineer and uh just wanted to address some of the concerns by the board uh regarding the the boat wash um you know everything that staff has has said and again i want to thank staff for their thorough um um support on this project and and uh continued support throughout the application period but uh yes we are very concerned about the transfer invasive species we do everything we we can to mitigate that uh from from you know cleaning the boat prior to uh transport so we're we're discharging anything at the point source we follow environmental standards and and uh compliance um um regulations very thoroughly and very committed to that and and we would not uh want to transfer any of that to the city of arcada by any means so project is correct about the use of the floor drains um staff and david explanation of an environmental consideration was correct as well but i just wanted to uh voice um you know in be an advocate to to let the commission know that we're we're very committed to to making sure that we're following environmental compliance standards and and um and we'll we'll continue to do so and follow recommendations from from staff and and from from others to to make sure that we're we're doing that but yes um and we can provide specific specific mitigation measures to the commission as needed but uh and and and staff but but just wanted to assure you that we're we're committed to to mitigating those resources thank you very much um commissioner lehman i'm sort of looking to you because yeah i'm fine you know i'm i'm ready to approve okay uh did anyone else have any other comments or concerns on this item i just want to appreciate the project and did you yeah uh yeah i think it's a fabulous project and i have great appreciation for the yurok uh work uh from salmon to condors to dam removal restoration there's just so much going on and for them to choose arcada for this wonderful project is uh what is just great uh great for the community and it it is a bit of a blighted property and i think in terms of gateway future this is a cool thing to have down there and helps uh flush out that neighborhood you know it's it's got the the whole creamery right next door and it's just feels like it things are growing um and if you're ready for uh a proposal to approve i'm ready well i get to say i like the project too i think it's a fantastic project thank you so much for bringing it to us um i hope that navigating the sort of non-housing elements of the gateway plan was not too challenging this is the first project we've ever done through this and so if you have feedback for us in the city that would be appreciated um i just hope we can build a lot of housing so that the employees can live right by and bike to work someday and it'll be great um do we have uh oh yeah can i just add to the motion before it's yes yes make sure that we hit on a couple of key points um so uh the condition of approval b10 uh states currently no word burning appliances shall be installed operated or maintained on the project site uh at any time during the life of the project et cetera et cetera so your motion should include striking b10 and then also modifying the um statements that uh are made in the findings uh that support that uh that condition of approval and then um also uh with us uh this is uh b2 this is on packet page 28 of 156. um there's a condition of approval around the public access easement and it's it's worded just slightly awkwardly to to you know potentially add confusion um and so right now it reads the applicant shall uh record a public access easement for public accessibility onto the parcel from back of curb to the property line and what i'm recommending you do is strike that back of curb to the back of curb to the and then adding after property line to approximately six feet and then at the end adding to the specification of the city engineer so this gets back to the discussion that we had that we don't know exactly what the the uh you know lines are going to line up like for the actual design so the condition b2 will read public access easement the applicant shall record a public access easement for public accessibility onto the parcel from the property line to approximately six six feet on eighth and ninth streets and two feet on end street to the city of arcada to the specifications of the city engineer the easement shall be recorded prior to issuance of a certificate of occupancy so essentially we're adding those easements internal to the property lines to the maximum of six feet so if may i make a motion um that includes staff presentation on the modifications yes to the conditions of approval as just described and furthermore that i'd like to move that we approve the gateway use permit and gateway design review permit for yurok natural resources center interior and exterior renovations and site improvements at 820 n street do you need more sequa exemption that's in the action thank you second okay we have a motion and a second all in favor aye aye congratulations and thank you for that yeah okay uh next on our agenda is our business item which is to consider recommendations for amendments to the land use code consistent with general plan 2045 uh can we please begin with a staff report hey good evening um chair and commissioners uh tonight we're picking up the sort of second part of the show that we're going to be talking about the plan that we're going to be talking about um we're going to be talking about recommendations for uh from the planning commission um so uh at your may 12th meeting we uh did a presentation to orient you to the material we started talking about recommendations for uh from the planning commission for changes in the land use code that are uh we're going to be talking about the planning commissioners to be consistent with the general plan we adopted in 2024 this is a continuation of that conversation and the intent here is that we go through the comments that you all made thank you for sending those in to us um and then any additional uh items that we can get through that we added in list form in this staff report in anticipation of the city council planning commission study session that you'll have on june 8th the idea here is that we start to flesh out these concepts and in particular the policy underpinnings before your conversation with the city council so that they're primed and ready to have the conversation on june 8th so without further ado we we presented a lot of material last time i want to leave most of this time um for uh planning commission uh we did send out the um uh the framework we included that in the staff report if we need to use that framework we can uh if we wind up getting stuck in our conversations i saw a lot of alignment i was talking with the chair earlier and he was suggesting that he saw a lot of alignment as well and that we may not need the framework but it's there for us if we need it um are there any questions about how the framework would work or what we're doing here tonight or just generally about the materials uh briefly um if we all fully agree on anything that's been presented or that we've previously touched on is that material specifically or that agreement specifically going to move on to the june 8th discussion yeah i look at this as like all of these all of the material is going to move on to june 8th and really these conversations are uh conversations to to prime the city council they may pick up on these themes that we've been talking about they may pick up on other themes that are you know of interest to them but we we will definitely move all of this information they're going to see everything that you've seen and including everything that you've written are we are we going to summarize the things that we all agreed should be discussed or changed so that we have a laundry list so you know the city council would kind of have it condensed for them of what we've talked about and decided uh we can certainly do that uh in preparation for the the june 8th meeting um i think a lot of this is going to be you know based on the conversations that we're having the the city council members are watching these meetings as well and so they're hearing your deliberations and what my hope is is that through these preliminary conversations we can take you know these tens of pages hundreds of recommendations and really hone in on the areas that you know you all think are of interest so we can certainly summarize uh those areas where you had um uh agreement what i think that's going to largely look like is the the papers that you sent me the the writings that you sent in in anticipation of these um just collating them and saying here you go city council this is what the planning commission said so we'll we'll kind of see what we do with it after we've had the conversation i think like what's the best way to to package that for the city council okay uh so with that i was thinking we could start with commissioner uh ham's uh comments so if you want to kind of run through your main um asks of us uh and then we can have a discussion on them um yeah thanks um i guess i i'm very curious to hear you know assuming you guys have have taken a time taken some time to to read and digest these um i'm very curious to hear if there are kind of comments or pushback especially from the consultant team um and staff and so yeah i mean i don't really want to go into point by point here but just in general like an intention to increase density and i think the project that we just um reviewed is like a really interesting example right where there was like public benefit right and those require or like allowed for some exemptions and i guess i just kind of think about it as like how how do we incentivize housing development actually you know if we are kind of allowing existing um buildings and they're providing all this public benefit but like how can we like actually incentivize um adding housing to the projects that come through um and so yeah i mean we talked a little bit about the zero lot line development and then this density minimum and um you know multi-family so allowing up up to four um units or more um i guess maybe just should i pause after each of these for discussion it seems like we need to chew on these a little bit okay as a group yes yeah so maybe i'll just start at the top zero lot line development was one that we briefly talked about um i have since two weeks two weeks ago done some research and thinking about this and i am very open to this idea i am i am more excited about it than i was when we first talked about it um i don't know if you you all have thought about zero lot line development uh point of clarification is it uh the front setbacks stay the same and the sides but it's the the back of the property is that correct is that what your recommendation is i would be open to all i mean i understand that there's a front you know street face that the city might want to have some more regulations on but like specifically side and rear um eliminate or reduce down to zero on side and rear okay yeah even the rear yes side to side seems um fine and yeah but the rear can we add a little bit of the conversation too please do uh and i'll invite uh monica on our consulting team with lisa wise consulting to jump in as well as um my colleague dilo um one of the things that we've been talking about in terms of the zero lot line we have some areas of town already like our commercial central where there's a zero front lot line you can build right up to the sidewalk it does get a little complicated with easements on adjoining neighbors if you have a side and rear um you know if if i can't get my neighbor to give me an easement then repairing my wall becomes a little bit more challenging um and i don't know monica or dealer do you have additional thoughts about zero lot line not just more challenging but potentially litigious yeah i mean you can you can maintain your wall from the inside of your building at that point which you know is difficult but not impossible i will say that um monica did weigh in on this one and it sounds like there would be ways to achieve this you know there didn't raise any red flags for their team um and i think that the examples that commissioner ham gives of row houses and town homes are excellent examples where this could make sense i also think there could be instances where this could pose issues so i would recommend we think through this carefully you know all the different ways that this could play out um i will also say that in my you know planning 101 class i was introduced to this concept of planning as being tied to public health and safety and you know overcrowding and lack of sunlight and this interesting thing called rickets which is a disease from lack of sunlight was brought up and so there could be you know there could be implications for this but there also are plenty of projects where this makes perfect sense um so i would definitely be interested in discussing this more and thinking about where it would make sense and where it may not and it sounds like commissioner chair simmons has thought about this as well so be curious to know what your research resulted in well i was i was it's funny i was thinking about the places where the front already exists and i was thinking about places where i would like to see that kind of development in the future and then also the example of like the row houses and like what kinds of projects are never even being proposed to us because our code doesn't permit them um and so yeah it's interesting to think about what we're trying to encourage with these you know row houses certainly come to fore you know the eastern row houses um but they had space in front and the back they had no space on sides so that's why i made the comment i did yeah i i so get it on row houses um i super wonder if if it just started randomly happening around town and somebody built to the property line then um suddenly the neighbor is looking at whatever color that new wall is or whatever texture or anything and um you know do they get to paint it like i really don't want it pink right in my yard or something like i mean just weird stuff comes up and maintenance um or if it never gets painted and the owner of the building never goes there because it's in somebody else's yard then what and i do know of people in town in the neighborhood i used to be in where there are buildings right on the property line and the neighbors are friends and they agree on a paint color and it all works out but we have to plan for things to be a little more complicated and um so i'm just stuck on those kinds of uh you know almost silly challenges um so on the kind of the gradients of uh what do you call it yeah i'm kind of in the four thing you know where i just need more information i'm not ready to support it i'm not against it the row house thing as an exception where the whole block was intended to be built in this certain way and they all just sister up i think that's a great way to modify lot lines um very intentionally and by design and and we do have a couple of projects like that there's uh courtyards that has townhomes uh the lots are narrow the the buildings are built right up to the lots and they share common walls um the marsh commons project has common wall so we certainly have you know provisions that allow for that um and i think you know if you had a caveat that you know the the zero lot line would be on a parcel that you own that simplifies it um but i i do think it's a it's worth exploring i mean i i get where you're going like try and maximize the build it's it's or buildability and and and don't prevent creative ideas for how to create housing yeah i think it's really specific i mean i think that i have like some conflicting opinions about um like the design capacity of this community but i think the intention would just be to allow for creative density solutions that are prohibited by setbacks um and so i don't think i'm proposing we live in a world where we're built out to every single lot line and like we have no open space like that's i but i i also don't want to limit future development and i want to trust our design professionals to be able to come up with elegant solutions and not be prohibited by these fairly large setbacks and i think the social concern of the emotional relationship with the neighbor to me like can be handled i think that our design professionals will be able to navigate building code to allow for you know what makes sense in terms of maintenance and also like constructability on a lot line um and so again i just i think i just it's of deep interest to me to to see what is possible within that framework um but i also understand there's some concerns there so chair is this an example of one where if we're not totally in agreement how does how do we include this in the discussion with council on the 8th well it sounded like staff was interested in maybe doing some of their own uh looking into this and then bringing back something more formal to be considered is that and i think we're all at least in agreement that that would be of interest to us um yeah this is this is great this is a little bit of building the plane while we're flying it like how does how do we get this discussion to the council right like we don't have a clear like everyone is in agreement on this um and i think a lot of it is going to be the council members are going to watch this meeting and they're going to start thinking about the ideas that you're bringing up um i believe that you know submitting this this memo that uh commissioner ham provided to us and just having them have that available to them so they can start to think about it we've all named a couple of instances where we think this would be a great solution to uh you know increasing housing um and there are some you know notable exceptions we certainly don't want rickets um so so i think you know this is a good good uh segue i think maybe to the next topic um about density minimum so we'll you know forward this on to the commit to the council as like hey we think we ought to explore this as a way to increase density uh in terms of the density minimums i think the memo was actually just identifying that we just adopted in the in the general plan uh no maximums and minimums so that is that's certainly something that we've proposed to do and wouldn't you know certainly include in in these updates that we many of the updates that are being proposed in the memo are simply just making the land use code consistent with the policy that we just adopted in the general plan so staff certainly supports uh the density minimums uh paragraph that you have here well and i think the project we just saw is like an example of you know yeah but but i think it's okay for projects that don't quite meet the density minimum to ask us for permission right like it it feels a little bit too constrictive to say like you can't even ask right like um yeah yeah i i completely agree i think the project we just approved is is a really lovely project i think i just want to understand a way that that doesn't that's just not all like if if we continue to do that then we will build no housing um and so i don't i just like personally don't understand how to like incentivize housing being added to projects um especially i mean yeah okay i'll stop it it was awkward to do it while they were here but i almost wanted like did anyone hey if you put some housing on top of this you actually don't have to have this meeting but um we we definitely had that conversation with them um we definitely had that conversation with them um yeah and and i agree i mean i think that you know this kind of segues into the conversation around our current policy for the commercial mixed use areas where if um you know if you don't want to provide the housing and you want to do a strict commercial project you have to get a use permit in order to do that that gives the the city some discretion actually a fair amount of discretion because um we have little discretion when it comes to a housing project that's you know protected by housing accountability act there are no acts out there protecting uh commercial projects so it really would be to the discretion of the the you know commission ultimately the city council um if we have that policy in place and someone comes before you and they're like look you know i i want another exception and you think to yourself well we've just had five others that asked for an exception you know we're really trying to you know make this area more vibrant the way we can make this area more vibrant is if there's more housing we're going to we're going to deny this you know certainly within your purview uh under the auspices of a use permit in those situations especially if it's embedded in the land use code it's a specific standard um most this is an area where you know some staff have been concerned like why are we making it harder for a project that wants to propose jobs in our area and i agree with that as well i think it's uh you know a policy question that we should should wrestle with um what i've observed in my career is that it's more often than not the other way around someone comes in and they want to propose a housing project and we have to tell them no because it's zoned for commercial we've really reversed because of this history because my history with this city because of hearing from you know uh the developers the the landowners the the project proponents for years i would build housing here but i can't because you require commercial on the ground floor look across the street it's vacant commercial i'm not building more commercial for you therefore you're not getting housing um that's why we wrote the policies the way we wrote them we heard that consistently so i think it's i think it's a low risk generally you're definitely going to have projects like uh you know our yurok natural resources project where it's just completely incompatible for them to have housing um you know a medical facility you're just not going to get housing um on top of that um you know certain kinds of of other use types you're probably just not going to get that mix um but for the most part people are realizing especially in this economy that housing is the hedge against the fluctuations in the market commercially you know we've seen unfortunately a lot of uh you know retail go towards online shopping and so you know people are really wanting to provide the housing uh where they can so i i just i feel like there's very low risk if you allow an escape valve for a use permit for a project that proposes no housing okay i feel like we we got a good yeah uh next one on here is multi-family by right uh in all residential zones do you want to make like a pitch uh just to allow again more density in um residential zones so essentially eliminating single family zoning um which many other municipalities have done um building up to four units sb9 does this but it is challenging and i think if arcada itself adopts something more explicitly like this it would allow a different pathway um for that and so you know we do have some properties with large lots that could allow for um additional dwelling units um and so yeah i think again this could especially in tandem with uh zero lot line or zero setbacks like could allow real density um and i think you know it i think it could open the market for non-developer developers you know it could allow um instead of building like a 40 unit complex you're allowed to kind of add density to single family lots which is you know allowed by state law but again not not super utilized yet um it would it would sort of be us codifying sb9 and saying like we in arcada agree with this sort of direction for single family former single family neighborhoods yeah my experience with sb9 is that yeah every it seems like everybody's handling it a bit differently and some people like can like with or without a lot split it just seems a bit inconsistent and so yeah i think that this would clarify and just like promote that kind of uh density building do we have comments from commissioners or staff uh presently they three units right per parcel wrote four sb9 sb9 allows for i oh yeah two is one is unattached and how does that play out i think it's two dwelling units one edu and one jadu and the jadus have to be attached um and that's without a lot split so presently we can do up to four under sb9 and you're saying to make it just more arcada specific that they don't have to be attached or unattached just four however you want to configure that that that would be by a by right development proposal you wouldn't have to like pull in the state and sorry on this uh zero lot line thing would we go up two stories right up to the lot line or do you want to touch on that i think that would be great um yes i'm open to comments and feedback on that as well maybe a step back above three or four stories i'm just i'm thinking it through but um yeah that's going to be in our conversation about how to implement how arcada could implement zero lot lines but i i think dila did you have something on sb9 or yeah um if there's generally support from the commission for exploring this additional density there are some ways we could get creative um the land use elements that the commission adopted does set densities already right so that piece of the policy is done um but currently in our land use code the standard is 7.25 dwelling units per acre so there is a little bit of flexibility in the interpretation if you have an acre lot you get seven units currently under certain circumstances the answer is yes we could modify our standards to make it easier to achieve that um right now a duplex is allowed in a low density zone by right and a single family home and then you can add adus to that if you choose to go our alternative development option development route you can get more units but they need to be allocated for low income households if we wanted to modify that we could open it up to anybody so that's just an example of a way we could potentially flex within our current density standards to allow more density on each lot i would add to that that you know right now the way we implement the adu law is we allow for a duplex and if you have a duplex that's a multi-family unit and therefore you could add two additional units that's basically what state law says so we allow four units on a single family parcel now if we made that by right four units that you could do multi-family then you'd be able to build up to six units on a lot with the two adus that are allowed from state law the other thing i wanted to just mention as the conversation circled back around to zero lot lines and and building height and that sort of thing the the in a way all of these categories that we're putting you know putting together are very arbitrary uh if you think of a multi-family building that's condoed you have zero lot lines both up and down and side to side and you know everybody has common walls um and so it's you know it it i think it's it leads me back to the idea that you know what is most important is the design standards um and if we can come up with design standards the objective design standards that um you know create the arcada that we want to live in the built environment we want to live in um then the arbitrary ways we divide that you know and and you know the ownership of that um that real estate is is moot it it ultimately works for us because that's how we want our built environment and you know to the chair's point thing that got me thinking about that was this idea of like well maybe we have setbacks you know and etc so i i think having that conversation you know a little bit more around what design uh would work for us could probably resolve those questions so i think the direction is we're interested in these strategies for allowing more density in all residential neighborhoods is that fair to say yes i i think i i care less about how many dwelling units are within the built environment next door you know like and can i garden in the future or you know whatever all those things you know privacy issues and stuff that we all kind of bought into or got used to over the years you know chose that lot because of and it could change dramatically and i think we all need to percolate on that quite a bit so and and i think it's a perfectly good phrase though the built environment what's the minimum built-in environment that we're comfortable with and then what happens inside like the gateway what happens inside i don't care you know is that are you satisfied with that conversation okay um parking parking yeah um i don't know if you all had any comments um but parking maximums and then um uh unbundled parking for larger residential projects yeah sweet love it thumbs way up that's the uh direction i think okay yeah i mean i don't feel like we need to spend too much time i think we all kind of feel that way um and i'm just yes one quick um just question for the commission is just to clarify this would be for residential commercial all use types um no no parking minimum so for a hotel for example no parking minimum or any other use um i think the thumbs way up was just on the unbundling on larger projects the rest of it feels like there's more discussion i mean it's been introduced heavily over a number of meetings and we're all kind of okay with some of it or not quite sure i think some of it's already in the code um i think the question is do we continue to have the what we just adopted in the code right like yeah yeah yeah i think um i think it's in the the general plan policy and the idea was you know to eliminate parking minimums to allow the the private market to decide how much parking to provide um to a maximum um and i think those those maximums we we may want to revisit and then we also talked a lot when we were developing this policy about unbundling the pro uh the parking to make it so that you know you're i mean in some ways on the one hand you're commodifying the parking you're requiring people to pay for it that's you know above and beyond their rent and then people start to understand the true value of that parking it becomes less of a um you know sense that there's a right to it so i think all of those ideas everything that i see written under number two here i feel like is consistent with the policy that we just adopted and i think to your point chair you know some of this exercise is are we sure we want to do this you know and and i think staff would recommend yeah let's let's give it a shot let's see what happens yeah yeah i think it creates a lot of really great opportunity for alternative modes of transit sponsored by the city sponsored by the state sponsored by private company like i just i think that that's a huge priority i hear in this community and i think if these are codified like let's just see it happen yeah and just to um you know for information i mean we we essentially eliminated parking requirements on housing projects and i have not talked to and that was you know in 2024 i've not talked to a single person who's building a housing project that's willing to take us up on that they all say i have to have parking so um parking is not going out of style just because we adopted this policy but we can tweak it a little bit and make sure that there's not over parking situations like we have it uh you know the union town shopping center or the mall the ashore mall and i do think they appreciate the options you know they appreciate the flexibility so okay um i think moving to point number three the design standards i you know i agree with chair simmons a lot about the articulation requirements or removing those and i yeah i i guess to kind of summarize i worry about certain design criteria just becoming like a checklist for designers and then you get box of texture you get lego buildings you get really unpleasant spaces and so you know i think that the and it's it's like what we're seeing i mean i think that this is just what we see with multi-family housing happening across the country um and it's really disappointing and so i just don't want that to be like i don't want us like in the adoption or how we am like go through complying with sb 330 to just generate that kind of a project and so again i kind of look to our consultants and staff for their own background and expertise and comments on this but you know i think that like if we had some alternatives to to those you know so replacing this articulation with what what's called like what i'm calling public realm performance standards um so like what it's doing to the public space um and and creating like a list of ideas that that could be benefit there um so i wonder your thoughts on any of those uh they would still be heading towards objective standards of course right so somehow it'd have to be described and written and we'd all have to look at that and and see what it looks like or what that means because this is new stuff yeah it can't be vague yeah yeah so i i think the way we hoped it would work is there's like a menu of options and it's like choose you know two of these six items and the hope was that that that would create enough diversity um do you think maybe we should relook at those and try to add more options or or i'm just trying to with the objective quality to this that is sort of i understand what the state is trying to do but i also know how it limits us a little bit um how do we do that yeah i think i look to staff and and our consultants for some ideas here um i think that it could be quite a cumbersome process to come up with a list and i don't really have a um a proposal in this exact moment but i think um yeah they would have to be objective and you know i'm thinking a lot about our community benefits program and how some of those were just like we just like picked them out of the air over a long period of time with lots of intention um but i also think that there you know some were missed because they just weren't in the room you know and i think this could end up in a similar place um and so i would want to avoid something like that and really yeah so i think i'm like really seeking some expertise and ideas over there i'll um i'll ask monica to address this as well um from from lease wise consulting i think you are exactly right this is really hard to to get right and i think you know chair to your point um in your presentation you know the jacobi storehouse doesn't have any of that articulation it's a beautiful building the project that we approved tonight wouldn't have met those articulation requirements but it's a fantastic building um and so clearly we kind of got it wrong and we need to fix that um and and i'm not sure exactly how to do that but i think we can workshop it a little bit and i think we're kind of on the right track we know what we need we know what the end condition is that we want to get we just need to think of a way to describe that in ways that make them objective design standards it's really hard to get good design if you have a checklist you know and it's but if you're trying to be objective how do you get away from a checklist i think if your checklist is about like like use or benefits to like the streetscape like the the public sphere you know rather than i think this like facade articulation pattern that we've seen is just like i don't know where that came out you know and i've seen really great projects that don't have any articulation and i think it's it's like corners are expensive to build like i think that it's just it's a it's a challenge and i just want us to try to figure out a way to move away from that where are we at with the this project was objectively designed by an architect and therefore it's objectively i think monica's jumped on i can see she's turned on her um her camera so maybe monica do you want to help us out here i do uh thank you david and i'm sorry for leaving as a panelist and thank you for um adding me back into a panelist um so i'm monica sidloke from lisa wise consulting um and was happy to speak to you two weeks ago and happy to be back and i'm glad that we're diving into some of these uh topics um objective design standards is is um we've given a lot of thought to this for the past five years since um sb 330 right so a lot of um cities around the state um you know have tried different um ways to address and to develop and work into the regulatory framework um their code or other documents uh design standards and how how do they work with um the basic development standards are they two different things do they work together um and we found that there's really there's i mean there's no shortcut right uh we can look at other cities and see how they do it but um but we'll notice that it just doesn't work for for for your city for for the city we're we're focusing on um so we it kind of do it the long way i mean we look at existing buildings what are the buildings that the the city that are um just buildings that are widely appreciated by the community and then we try to drill down into what is it about them that works and this just varies from community to community um we look at design review what um what are some records of design review that tells us what have you all discussed and what comes up and what are your priorities um of course reach out to the community here about their priorities um we'll draw on the discussion that you all have already had um on that in the during the gateway process and um lend our own input in terms of our knowledge about best practices and what we've seen in other communities and um the feedback we've gotten over the past four years or so from communities that have implemented design standards that we've worked on is really valuable so um and then and then also um of course we have to take into consideration costs and we are we are um sensitive to that and sometimes there will be a standard that is demanding of something expensive and that's just something that the community is is going to intentionally require anyway because it's it's important so um it's sort of all of the above and um i can also tell you we tend to stay away from um point systems uh they don't really work um sometimes we will say okay two two out of the the following six and then we'll try to make sure that the uh the cost and the the impact of each is commensurate um um we have also um worked with communities that have historic architecture and a lot of times there's different feelings about well we want to replicate that and generally we we don't advise um although um although some community members uh would prefer to see historic um styles and elements replicated um we generally fall into the camp of this is these are buildings that are built today and we wanted to do the best of what we see that is being built today um while acknowledging patterns um established patterns um in terms of form module height um and and just working through standards that way um i'll also mention and i know we were talking about uh the gateway area and then we're going to be looking at the valley west area and developing a form-based code so form-based codes are sort of they're the objective design standards that have been around for a long time because that's sort of the approach so we'll also be thinking about what are the design standards we'll be thinking more specifically about specific locations not just by zone in the valley west and thinking a little bit about the zero lot line discussion earlier um we'll want to do it very sensitively so that that's something that we would be inclined to say okay there's an advantage to having a continuous street wall because it makes for a walkable uh a walkable district but it doesn't necessarily need to apply to an entire zone maybe it's in specific areas where we intentionally want to create a certain feeling um and that can be true in the in a form-based area it can also be true in just parts of the cm or the cc elsewhere in the city there are ways to build that into a code and so that's a very long answer to say that there's just a whole lot you've got to think about when when we do when we develop design standards um but as we do we as we work through it hearing your your priorities and your concerns are going to drive the um drive the work more than anything i think to the question too about what about the standard that it was designed by an architect well i think that would have worked uh you know 10 15 years ago i feel like uh now that wouldn't quite qualify as an objective design standard um and you know we had a planning commissioner who famously pointed out that you know some architects designed really poorly and and so on and so forth um i i think that you know this is an evolving conversation we took you know the gateway was really our first track at it at objective design standards and we've already learned a few things um so maybe dialing back on some of the um features that we thought were going to be important to add that visual interest um and starting to focus a little bit more on you know what's most important we had one of our architects during that time frame tell us well if you do these step backs you're going to create more expensive buildings people aren't going to build them that may be true um and i think we made an intentional decision to add step backs to larger buildings to address the community concerns about you know shading and and bulk and mass um so you know that's just one example of many where you know i think if we think through you know specific design challenges that we want to make sure that we don't replicate we can avoid those through these design standards and then maybe free it up a little bit and say look we're not going to be as prescriptive um and we're going to trust the design professionals to to design good buildings um and then we're going to accept that not everyone is going to agree when a good building has been designed but there's a lot of subjectivity in it any other comments or thoughts this is the problem of our time i think it's it's a real challenge um and i appreciate the comments monica um thank you for those yeah i i think you also touched on kind of this um these comments of like nodding to our historical past and while i think it does create a really interesting and unique fabric i would be hesitant to propose that our buildings need to like replicate any sort of victorian proportions i think we're building with materials and technologies of today and i i just don't i think restricting us to kind of a past style is just not appropriate okay okay so with this one being like who knows uh this is a big big like thing to chew on um maybe we can just like i don't know how to kind of digest this enough to move it to move on because i do realize time is passing i think we're pretty much in agreement with what you've written here unless anyone has any and so we'll just forward that on to the city council if if it's some point in the future we have an opportunity at one of these meetings to look at images that would be helpful you know what's a bad building or a four-story bad building you know or or the worst or i don't know you know maybe even a field trip maybe even a field be nice yeah just throwing it out how far do we have to drive to see a bad building i wanted to say too that um you know some of the things that commissioner ham listed as examples to make it more about relationship to the street are things that the gateway code does attempt to do you know talking about minimum transparency no blank walls longer than a defined length these are concepts that we have attempted to address so you know maybe it's not start over from scratch but figure out what's working and what maybe could be improved and trying to make it a bit more dynamic and less prescriptive is what i'm hearing yeah i i think that's exactly right because again back to the yurok project that we just looked at it didn't meet the the glazing requirements and it didn't meet the you know point of entry requirements and it wasn't going to you know it wouldn't be designed to for its particular use if it if it did what we wanted it to do it wouldn't have had the same architectural feel if it had that much glazing so it's it's a tricky one but that's the last i'll say just a comment about that yurok building you know when i opened the the agenda and saw the building my impression was wow that's a cool building good for them and then there's this list of ways that it's out of compliance you know i was thinking holy mackerel we have this code and here's the building that obviously we want and we have to do all these exceptions and we're going to do all these exceptions but good on us that we did yeah well and and therein lies the rub because you can either say look we cannot envision all the cool buildings that we're going to crush if we come up with a set of standards and therefore we should have no standards and we should let any building be built i mean that's you know kind of like the extreme other alternative somewhere in there i mean i like dilo's suggestion that we have some flexibility and dynamism and and not just go all the way to the hard left but but really that's you know we can't envision all of those buildings which is why we gave a use permit requirement and then we see this building and it's like well it's a shame that we we're going to be able to do it and we're going to be able to do it and we're going to be able to be able to do it and we're going to be able to do it and we're going to be able to do it and we're going to be able to do it and we're going to be able to do it and we're going to be able to do it great thanks for all of your comments and support well and well designed buildings can easily get through our difficult process is my hope moving on um yeah so uh number four historic review i think this i just you know i'm i don't want to sound like a broken record here but just make it easier to get projects through these processes um so yeah like what would require discretionary review um narrowing that reducing the barriers there um some cat like additional categorical exemptions um i am kind of curious about the historic landmarks committee i don't i don't know a lot about um them and and like do they have time limits on their review i could speak to that if you would like um so our historic landmarks committee i just want to do a plug for our committee because they are fantastic and very qualified for what they do um i have served as the liaison for that committee since i started seven years ago and i've never seen them continue an item or deny the project they generally are very supportive of flexibility and adaptive reuse and generally i would say um you know if there is a delay it's less with the committee and just more with our existing process and challenges with making modifications to items that have been listed as features to be preserved associated with that resource um we've had a couple of projects come forward recently the whaley house that you mentioned and then the rossi project on the plaza as well both included features listed to be preserved that the committee was fully in support of being flexible on and those are brought to you but again you know we had to kind of thread a needle there procedurally because of the sequa implications but that is because of the way we have structured our preservation strategy and really not the fault of the committee i would say one thing that we've been discussing is ways to maybe um not create these landmark overlay zones for each resource so that way we're not having to go through map amendments or you know bring these items to the commission or the committee every time build in that flexibility but it is again also tricky to guide modifications to resources that the city has indicated they want to preserve and we have a long history of that so trying to balance those two things is difficult um but we have been discussing ways to to make that process more straightforward for applicants while still being um you know well within the bounds of sequa for local landmarks and the plan development overlay we're looking at trying to find ways to modify that process as well because it does create this kind of crazy um this crazy process for applicants i appreciate that background i guess i'm kind of wondering is there a way that if a project meets the policy goals like adding housing you know for example like do we have to deliberate us or the historic landmarks committee you know all of these people involved like about removing bars on windows that may or may not be a historic feature like is there a way to like prioritize how these things are processed so that it doesn't actually go through this like lengthy process if it still meets our like larger priorities as a as a city yeah unfortunately um there are a couple of resource types or processes that you know that we get stuck in a uh sequa loop on i guess is how i would describe them historic resources are one of the um areas where there's actually an an exception to the exemptions for sequa right so if you're going to have a negative impact on a historic resource you have to do an eir you cannot take an exception for it and so our historic landmarks committee has actually been very helpful in moving projects forward that would otherwise require an eir because they help us understand how the project meets the secretary of interior standards and then we can qualify for you know class 32 exemption even if it's modifying something that someone back in the 80s said hey this is a feature to be preserved typically traditionally the most straightforward approach to uh to addressing someone who wants to modify a feature to be preserved is to tell them why you can't or you have to do an eir and so you're talking about a really lengthy process um our historic landmarks committee are you know it's comprised of working professionals each of whom has way more knowledge and understanding than anyone on staff um arguably anyone in the city and and is a an invaluable resource to us in in these situations we could not have just said look the whaley house is doing a good project overall it's going to ultimately it's going to benefit the historic resource anyway let's just let them do it we had to go through those procedural steps to to verify that we're you know not impacting a historic resource and that process built the legitimacy to support the staff recommendation when it comes to the other procedural details like how you actually affect that when we set up our historic resources preservation program back in the uh you know the 70s and carried forward into you know our last general plan we were we were creative we created these zone districts special overlay zone districts for uh historic resources that allowed them to do many things that other properties couldn't do a lot of the adaptive reuse and that sort of thing what we really didn't anticipate is that you know that's great once you do it the first time you know we kind of had a you know come one come all approach if you want to be a historic landmark we're going to waive all the fees we got you know most of our historic landmarks within a couple of years around the late 80s to early 90s but then to modify those it's the same as doing any kind of land use code amendment it's ten thousand dollars deposit right off the get-go it's it's impossible and so we've consistently worked to try and find you know ways to work around that and what deal is alluding to is what we're going to be proposing is sort of downgrading those ordinances to more like resolutions things get that can be done a lot more quickly um you know thinking of different ways both with historic landmarks and uh plan developments to you know simplify the review so that there's still some kind of um you know discretionary consideration it's not that they're just you know happening you know over the counter uh you know at planning or something like that but that there is a public process and discretionary review but to really simplify what that looks like we're hoping to be able to find a way to systematically systematically do that through this update process where basically all the ordinances get downgraded somehow to a resolution um so you know don't have all the details worked out but we are thinking a lot about this had the same experience that you did you know ultimately this is a no-brainer project we want to make sure that it happens but it's impossibly expensive and complex to get people through that process so why would they do it yeah and one thing that we also want to be you know sensitive to is that some of these processes can be sort of a disincentive for folks to want to landmark their houses too you know if it doesn't allow them that flexibility to make the modifications that they want um and you know we could try and drill into some specific ways to to avoid that and the whaley house was interesting because what they wanted to do was a lot split and sb9 explicitly prohibited that but if we created our own local ordinance that permitted it it wouldn't have been an issue right under certain circumstances or if we had made a smaller lot size we could have made it so it wasn't an issue so there are different ways to you know approach the problem to avoid some of these issues that folks are running into i just want to point out you you said the the historic committee right now is excellent and you know has done a really good job at helping projects get through but that depends on the people on the committee and 10 years from now it's probably going to be different people so to the extent i mean i agree with what you said i to the extent that we can codify that so it's easier for historic properties that would be better than relying on people who may not be here it's a point well taken yeah i would just reiterate to peter that it um two things one um this isn't this is way outside of our hands this is you know a requirement of sequa and so we have to go through that process to build that legitimacy you know i knew it from the start dealer knew it from the start if we just said hey we're gonna you know shoot this thing up to the planning commission we're gonna fast track this thing we're not going to get expert input here um we could have been questioned and we would have we would have lost you know we would have lost that question uh what we did on on sequa on sequa grounds yeah we what we did was we navigated the process in a way that created a lot of support for approving the project so that's point one point two is that you're all appointed they're all appointed this this uh the vibe that we have is reflective of where the council's political mindset is and so if we were in a different political mindset if the politics were like hey we got to lock this stuff down we can't let anything happen none of you would be on this commit on this commission none of them would be on that committee um because they're actively working to get reasonable stuff done reasonable stuff done you know reflecting what you know our our council you know our understanding of what the council wants to see so those things i'm not worried about what's going to happen 10 years in the future if 10 years in the future we're a totally different community that doesn't want to see housing built then you know we'll all be replaced by people who don't want to see housing built so you know they're we're kind of future-proof based on you know the the you know the fact that you know it's it's representative i guess democracy is happening right here right now um just one more thing while we're on this topic i think in the general plan we did a um you know a list of historic resources and part of the idea was like this is the list until we add we specifically add new resources is that sort of still the direction from the city well i mean just to clarify so in the gateway area we said if you have chosen to be listed or not these are the resources we've identified but in the historic preservation element the only list in there is our current landmarks which is a voluntary listing so it's not representative of all resources in the city just to clarify but yes the intent is to have all historic resources mapped so that whether they're listed or not people know in advance that they have a historic landmark or or a historic resource harder than you would think but it's harder than you would think but deal has made a lot of good progress we just haven't adopted it yet and i think um we've got a lot of good progress we've got to be able to do that uh we've got to be able to do that um i think that's a great point um looking forward to it um um okay so i think that covers historic review uh totally and my last two points i think are not like really we don't need to belabor them you know streamline permitting i think this is it's on the way like from what we saw from the presentation from lisa weiss last time it just feels like even just the code being laid out in a different format i think things are gonna things are on the move in an upward direction um and i think it's my general you know preference for more ministerial approvals of everything um i'm also just going to talk about the next point um valley west because i know we're going to be in the future talking a lot about that i don't have a lot my point is that i don't have a lot to say and we'll be talking about in the future and that's all for now thank you very much do we have two thumbs it feels like sorry um the topic that percolates through all discussions and i love it it's great um so it is 7 36 i think peter has given us one and a little bit of notes i'm hopeful that we can get through this before eight um and then the only other commissioner who sent in notes uh was uh vice chair strickland uh who's not present um maybe what would be the best way to handle that do you think i think you know we we supply the council with all the materials that commissioners wrote if you want to write something between now and june june 8th we'll send those as well i agree let's try and get through peter's um yeah let's do peter's um all right peter would you like to uh go through each of your uh sure and i will try to be brief um so i think there's general agreement about neighborhood conservation areas because uh matt you made a comment about that and i think ashton made a comment about that too um we we are trying to have um objective standards and i've quoted here from the uh city's website which was the rationale for uh conservation neighborhood conservation areas and it is to assure that new construction modification or alteration of noteworthy structures and significant changes to other structures are harmonious with the existing character of the neighborhood and that's a very vague requirement and as i think matt has pointed out in the past um that kind of vague statement is often used to delay or prohibit prohibit housing especially multifamily housing so i would say that we eliminate them um i do think that the plaza district is kind of unique and small and i would be in favor of keeping that but otherwise i think we should just eliminate conservation areas i totally agree by definition they require a whole nother layer of uh cost and analysis and this is that statement you read is is the most subjective thing that's come across our plate in a long time i mean that's just you know we're we're beyond this i'm surprised we still have them and i'm thrilled that we're discussing this and yeah yeah uh i think you all already know that i'm in favor of getting rid of them and i'm hearing seeing a nod of ashton so that's four out of four for this how do you feel about the plaza district i think i guess i just feel if they're if they're written in a way that doesn't obstruct the production of housing you know and i think that how they're kind of used now is like it makes it cumbersome and allows or just like forces another layer of review and process so i don't i don't know the the idea behind potentially modifying them but like as long as it's not used to obstruct housing well and they're inherently just an extra level of review that's that's what they and it's not just for housing like we had to review that sign that was like a perfectly fine sign um and so i even the plaza i'm not sure that unless we're worried about david approving something really ghastly in the plaza but that's the that's what we're worried about here right well and he could always elevate it to the commission if he had concern as well yeah yeah the question is does david need to ask us for permission for every new sign in the plaza i'd be happy with getting rid of all of them i would too the uh the plaza does have another it actually has two layers because it's not only a neighborhood conservation area um and kind of has three layers it's got a neighborhood conservation area it's got a historic district and then arguably the central commercial has another set of um you know policy or standards that that are associated just directly with it um the neighborhood conservation areas my understanding is that they were basically enacted to try and put another layer of historic review over these areas they're they're you know laid over our our older neighborhoods with a higher concentrations of older homes and i believe the idea was to ensure that there was additional attention spent to these neighborhoods um the only reason that we really wanted to avoid dealing with them in the general plan update frankly was because we were already you know carrying a lot of weight and um and there was enough other things to you know difficult things to have uh you know conversation with the community about so staff doesn't have any particular um you know feelings one way or the other about neighborhood conservation areas well i think you now have direction from us maybe we can see that at a future meeting okay onward uh objective design standards um i think uh we've made a lot of progress the gateway area was our first crack at it uh now we're looking at valley west and my question is why aren't we doing this citywide why are we doing it piecemeal neighborhood by neighborhood um i think the intent is to uh have a set of objective design standards that apply broadly but that there's a special um opportunity in the valley west that we're trying to take advantage of by having a foreign-based code that's tailored for that area um seven-story buildings are allowed in the the gateway hub they wouldn't be appropriate everywhere in arcada and so um you know defining areas where there's allowable higher density and specifically what the design of that higher density might look like is is why we're approaching the valley west slightly differently but yeah the intent really is to come up with objective design standards that we can apply broadly um ultimately and there is policy in the general plan to even adopt objective standards for single-family development so there would still be ways to apply objective design standards citywide it just might be in these areas like you said david that there would be a need for something that's more specific because of maybe allowances and increased density or intensity that might not be allowed in other areas of the city is that the plan that after we do valley west we look at the whole city i mean is there is there a future beyond valley west uh yeah so for objective design standards citywide yes there's a future beyond valley west in addition to valley west but the um there's just been years and years of policy for these priority infill areas right based on our last housing element through our general plan um that doesn't mean it'll always be that way it could change over time but that's the current the current thrust is to focus on those areas first i think our next housing element might have to look at some more areas for infill housing potentially um okay moving along community benefits so i know i was there we worked well you the staff did a great job and we work long and hard on the community benefits program and it always seemed to me i'm speaking personally now that no one would ever use them uh because of the state's density bonus program and the similarity in the number of units i mean it was a trifle difference between the community benefits program which was more difficult and more expensive than the density bonus program so my question is do we really need it and should we scrap it what is the cost of having it there if no one ever uses it like we already did all the work right so it would it would be vestigial maybe but it would it wouldn't hurt us right it's it's uh it's just a sign of all that effort we put in but and then hey maybe someday someone will use it right maybe the state will change state density bonus law that's also another thing right i kind of want to hear from our consultant on that comment um whether or not like yeah are our other municipalities like continuing to develop and maintain their community benefits programs we have discussed it so yeah i think monica could probably speak to that sure uh yeah the nature of community benefits programs and how they work of course changes when state law changes um i can tell you that just reading through the community benefits program that's uh included in the the gateway plan and the code um it looks to me like it's it's really geared toward residential residential mixed use uh and the intent is for to um be used to provide benefits and uh encourage uh residential so i guess the way i would frame it is that it makes sense for residential when the base standards like limit development so that the city then has something that it can sort of loosen in exchange for benefits um things that benefit the community right um but our standards aren't like that so we have no maximum density we don't have restrictive height limits um so most cities that we've worked with community benefits programs really apply just to non-residential development to office buildings um to non-residential just to make sure that the developers um just to to provide a way an incentive for developers to do something on-site open space uh child care uses i mean anything you know the list can be whatever um but that tends to work better in concert with uh the the standards that we're complying with because they come from the state and density bonus um it just tends to work better um that's our thought on reading the community benefits program that that you have and i'll just add to that that you know this was really um you know my brainchild from about 10 years ago uh as a way to trade off the fact that we weren't going to have discretionary review with conditions of approval um a lot has changed over the last 10 years and so i would say it's time to give give up the community benefits i agree if if they don't get used um and they're vestigial and they don't harm anyone that's great we don't know how many people are going to look at our code though and say i'm not going to i'm not going to pay for those community benefits i'm just not going to develop there so i do think that there's some benefit of having a code that is clean that really does what we want it to do providing those objective design standards um and this is maybe a good segue into your next point peter about inclusionary zoning uh sorry so you are suggesting that we drop the community benefits program i think that the community benefits program uh suffered the sausage making of uh you know policy and is completely far afield from what the original intent was and i think that it's um you know almost indistinguishable from just saying you know we're going to charge 15 percent more on on projects and so i don't know that we uh are going to get projects that ultimately do pay for those community benefits to peter's point uh it would be a lot cheaper to add three percent uh extremely low house or very low housing into your project and say those community benefits are the um the standards that i'm going to not have because i'm doing a density bonus project so i just i i don't think that they in light of all the changes to housing accountability act builder's remedy etc etc i just don't think that they have the same effect that that they might have had 10 years ago so i i would support eliminating them i would also support keeping them if people think that they're worth keeping so i i'm not adamant about it but i just don't think they have the same effect do you you think david it would discourage um development because people would read them and say we're not going to do this it's possible i mean that's just a hypothetical i can't prove it one way or the other i don't know the people who aren't going to talk to us because they read the code and think that's too expensive but but it really does i mean we even had conversations if you recall the final conversations we had about the community benefits program they had dwindled down from these really you know amazing ideas about things that were actually going to get built in the community to 10 towards this fund 15 towards that fund and then i think dan i think you were the one that suggested why don't we just make it a you know one big bucket 15 you pay us 15 of whatever your project is and then we use that for good you know community good because the program had literally devolved into a pay-for-play you know way to get include ministerial approval now projects don't need to pay to play to get ministerial approval all they have to do is demonstrate that they meet your objective design standards and so i don't see why anyone would agree to pay that additional cost when there's an alternative you know at the ready in state law they would do a density bonus project okay i mean i already called them vestigial but i guess we're we're um evolving to no longer have them so uh i mean it's it's really it's a policy discussion staff doesn't support them in the way that they did originally and it was my idea so i'm i'm i'm letting my baby go we're sorry thank you thank you okay on the inclusionary zoning um you probably have read what i wrote uh inclusionary zoning is you know has a lot of political weight behind it it's a good idea um but you know what i wrote is true in my in my experience what's happened in arcada is that um professionals and i'm thinking of my colleagues at the university but other professionals in town have not lived in arcada in the last two decades really um sitting next to me is one of them you know who moved to eureka um and what we need in we do need low and very low income housing but we badly need housing that is appropriate for young professionals young professionals young professional families that live in our community so that they stay here they don't go somewhere else and i don't have a good answer for that but i i don't think we should fall over trying to provide low and very low income housing and ignore the fact that we need housing for professionals as well a discussion for the upcoming housing element perhaps something to consider because that is that is something that the you know housing element does force us to look at is housing for different income categories and needs so and we're chronically uh lowest on our what above middle and high yes yes challenging to build some of those types as income projects but not impossible and can we get in trouble with the state for not providing those categories it seems like the trouble is always when you don't provide the uh low income housing generally yeah you can for even high income housing or uh generally generally yeah generally it's not as much of a concern for the higher income projects but i think there are implications for sb 35 streamlining if you don't build above moderate as well but i'll say again it is a concern here in arcada i'll just flag that we kind of had this conversation with the city council um i think that's a great question um i think i think we were all the same people when we made that decision last time so i i don't know if everyone's moods have changed that much in the last few months but um yeah i'll just um add to that i think there was a compact that we made with the community about gentrification and inclusionary zoning's role in that i think we may need to revisit that because if inclusionary zoning is preventing housing development um we don't have to worry about gentrification at that point we have to worry more about not having places to live so i do think it's a relevant conversation to have and i think the council several council members i think are equally concerned about it absolutely yeah indoor bike parking um i think it's a great idea i think that um having one bike parking spot for each bedroom is a fine idea and i think we should support it strongly seconded yeah and where we at where are we on that one i don't remember like in the gateway isn't there quite a bit of there's yeah there's a requirement in the gateway code that uh one indoor secured bike parking space to be provided for each bedroom um and staff has some concerns about that i personally and professionally have concerns about the impact that may have on housing development as well we have one one project to date that has built bike parking not because it was requirement but because they thought the community wanted it and it's um it's just it's not used right now um and i think they've had some theft issues because it's like one open space and providing each individual bedroom its own bicycle parking locker uh would you know take some significant space resources that could otherwise go towards um housing uh you know or open space or other other community um needs so i think it's you know it's it's a live conversation you know i hear that you know there's some folks on the commission that really want to see it i think that you all should have that conversation again with the council is there currently um a proposed like minimum number of units where this would become a requirement or is it the proposal that it's just it's just uh right now the way that it's written it's just if you build housing you have one indoor locked space per per bedroom and that's a space roughly you know bike locker is what like two and a half feet by about you know yeah 10 10 yes 10 feet or so um uh by you know yeah it's big four feet tall and i think about the cow poly housing and that whole you know big structure that's all for bikes and you know i think at a scale that large it it is economic you know where you can have so many but if you're talking about a smaller lot you know that is hard um for it to be an indoor space and i wonder if there's any sort of like under don't get me wrong i love bikes and i think it's really important to have bikes and bike parking but i'm just curious for like a smaller um development if it is possible to have kind of lower standards for that bike parking um whether it's like just an some sort of like outdoor covered rock or something something something something i don't know i i guess i need to better understand i i used to live in an apartment in arcada and the apartment had individual parking spaces for cars and two of those parking spaces had been converted into a bike locker that had like 30 bikes in it because that's how many bikes you can fit in two car parking spaces and so i know that it takes up space but i think as we are getting rid of hopefully all of this car parking it's okay to have a little bit of that space that we just freed up go to bicycle parking i think also with you know taller buildings like we've talked before about oh people are going to like store it in their rooms but like do you want like the bike going up and down the elevator and that kind of thing like i i i worry that we're going to try to build the like bikeable walkable place and then not have places for people to put bikes and that sort of stuff and and i know we're in a transition and so that's like there's like a yeah um but yeah that's my yeah it's it's i think it's something that you know maybe warrants more more conversation i mean i would i would feel distraught if i lived in an apartment building and didn't have a place to park my bikes i have more than one bike you know and and so i i totally empathize but i also would not park my bikes anywhere where other people had access to them because i feel like they you know wouldn't be safe you know even if it was indoor to the building um you know so i'm you know it's gonna be locked well you know it it does have to be locked and again i've had you know many bikes and i've had many bikes stolen in my life they have these uh you can get an angle grinder from harbor freight for 20 bucks that is going to generate you know thousands of dollars worth of stolen bikes for you you can cut through the the most expensive bike lock like it's butter with those things and and so i just i think that when people have you know the expectation that they're parking a bike in a safe secure place and maybe i'm just misunderstanding the the impact or the idea here but i was thinking it was like i have a place to put my bike and if if i didn't and i lived in an apartment building i would find a place to put the bike inside my my apartment because i wouldn't trust it to be out in the open i can park my car a car is a lot harder to steal than a bike i can park my car in a parking spot i could park 10 bikes in a parking spot the same space um but if i had to park my bike with your bike and eight other people i would have concerns about that so i just you know warrants maybe a little more conversation is is one bike space per bedroom the right number you know what does that secured bike parking look like i i'm envisioning a bike locker that you know is enclosed yeah that you can park your bike in right yeah that's a lot of space in particular because really to make those accessible you have to have them all be ground level you're not expecting people to bite you know pick their bike up and necessarily and put it in top um i feel like there's a lot of rabbit holes we can go down with this and maybe we should have some sidebar conversations before coming back on the um the planning planning commission city council meeting on the eighth it'd be interesting to know what some other communities like davis you know what's their code read on this kind of a thing if i may jump in briefly what struck me with this comment was this use of the term indoor for me you know i uh i wanted to know if that was intentional or it's like you know we we talk about covered and secure spaces but they don't necessarily need to be like conditioned space indoor um you know we look at cal green there are standards for bicycle parking um so they're there they're sort of tried and true right but if we talk about indoor it's a little bit different and especially if we're reducing if we're eliminating parking minimums then that space that might be there anyway where you park a car it's it's it might not it might not be built right so that might be a builder might think oh no i need more indoor space so uh if it's consistent with the intent you might want to change that to covered and secured you know if there's an overhang and then that you know the wall of bikes can be parked against it and maybe there's a gate but it's not really indoor yeah and the security is important too right so maybe there's a security camera or something to deter theft right because it yeah and i also just want to say that like as we're moving into a lot more people having like electric bikes and cargo bikes like the the size requirements for these you know so i think just like considering what what what is optimal and all of that uh do you want to go on to your next one peter yeah my last one is wood burning stoves you've already heard some of my polemics about this um i think wood burning has to end eventually in arcana and i realized that um we have a long history we live in a forested area we have a long history of using wood for heat in arcana but um i quote from the air quality element this community values clean air and wood smoke is clean air and it's particularly dangerous to health especially the small particles the pm 2.5s and if you've lived in arcana long enough you realize and i can remember many days walking to the university on a winter day and the smoke is just sitting on the city you know and as the sun is rising you can just see this layer of wood smoke so we're all breathing it and it's not healthy and um i i'm glad that we're eliminating wood stoves in new uh construction but we should eliminate them in i i think we should eliminate them as a replacement technology too if you're trying to replace your old wood stove you should change to a different form of heat either a heat pump or a gas heater either one i mean a gas heater is still contributes to climate change but it's um it's way better for our health it's way better for our health and i don't i don't have any strong comments i'm i'm remembering back to this conversation because i think there were concerns about replacing an existing appliance in this way and i i'm just and then there were concerns about affordability too i'm just i'm wondering what the city council said last time we tried to do this yeah i think i think the concern the city council had was um if we were to prohibit wood stoves entirely including replacements that would lead to bad outcomes for vulnerable people who can't afford to take on a new technology they would either you know leave their their existing wood burning stove that isn't functioning well and creating poor indoor air quality um you know because they know they can't replace it um you know or you know you know that people would basically try and you know skirt the skirt the rules and get them installed without the benefit of a building permit and we wouldn't know about them because they you know couldn't afford other technologies i think that was kind of one of the primary concerns so allowing people to replace a stove if it's failing but not allowing new construction to include um a wood stove can i i wonder if there's a sort of softer city policy of you know pointing folks towards rcea is about to do rebates for uh you know improvements to homes particularly for low-income people around electrification and weatherization and things like that and so the city could you know kind of be more proactive and saying like hey like we really we really think you'd be better off without this wood stove like here's where you could get payment for one like kind of more of an official sort of instead of saying like no you can't in in that sort of situation like being sort of more carrot than stick if that makes sense we can we can definitely do that and i know that you know one of the ideas that came up was not only around just the tech the cost of replacing the technology but there's the wood program so low-income seniors can get free wood through the winter um no one's going to be giving them free electricity or you know gas to to run a new appliance so i i think that was kind of the idea but um but yeah no i you know we definitely want to promote rca's programs as much as we can but i you know to to your point uh commissioner lehman i think that it's a good conversation to bring up to the council again okay um well abby also submitted comments but a lot of them are pretty i think we can get sort of either we can give comments saying we really don't like them or we really do like them to the city council on june 9th i don't know if we have to go through them in this play-by-play sort of way abby when you watch this uh you can email me to tell me you disagree i don't quite remember how much of them dovetail a lot of them most of them do with stuff we just covered right yeah yeah um so i think with that you know i'm realizing now at the very end of this that i never opened this item for public comment i don't think now now's a great time is there anyone online watching us deliberate all this uh there is one person online okay uh commenter if you would like to comment on this item please raise your hand you will have three minutes to speak go ahead dan oh hey yeah hi i'm dan shaheen i'm wondering um where pellet stoves factor in do those count as a wood burning stove under this uh proposed legislation thanks um i they are often as mine is epa uh i'm wondering if you're interested in the uh uh low emission alternative so uh uh i'd like to hear how that factors in thanks thank you dan anyone else online uh nope that's it um and i can certainly address the question if you're yeah go for it yeah uh wood wood pellet stoves would be considered a part of that prohibition as well and to be clear that the current prohibition is only on new construction of these not on anyone replacing an existing one correct this was something to be discussed yeah and it currently includes epa rated appliances as well so that's still considered prohibited unless we receive guidance to suggest otherwise even though the california green building code does have examples of technology that would be considered clean burning so not allowed currently okay um well with that i think we can call this a really productive meeting uh and close this item uh do we have any um correspondence from commissioners all right do we have any correspondence from staff all right thank you everyone for a really productive thoughtful meeting june 8th at five right is that correct um i'll be sending out the the um invite to you but i believe it's i want to say it's june 8th at give me one moment as he's looking that up i thought of a communication for the commission very important very important comments um i wanted just to remind the commission and for anybody who may listen to this after the fact that the open house related to reconnecting arcada and the valley west west form-based code is happening this friday from four to six at the d street community center so we would encourage you to attend and tell your friends it won't be the last opportunity there's also something happening out of the market on saturday around reconnecting arcada i don't know i saw a note about potentially tabling there but um maybe that i did not verify that but i saw a bunch of community engagement events and was on my calendar that'll be a surprise to us all then yeah you will also have an opportunity if you go to the open house that dilo mentioned to participate in engagement on the valley west form-based code um it is at five o'clock on june 8th okay everyone uh thank you again uh with that this meeting is adjourned okay um

And the recorder is on the Forest Management Committee meeting of May 14, 2026. Alright, good morning all. Good morning Yana. Good morning. We probably need to start with a roll call. Yeah, so we're going to do a roll call. Present we have Marc Andre from staff, Mike McDowell, Forest Committee we have Aaron Kelly, Jack Naylor, Ken Hoff man, Yana Balakovic, and Dennis Halligan. And Yana is our current chair and we have one vacancy. That's right. And I understand we have a good four candidates. Oh really? Sweet. We now have five applicants. Oh wow. I confirmed yesterday. And so we'll get to that later in the agenda. Yep, it's very exciting. Alright, so first business is approval of notes. And these are from the March 12th meeting. And so we had originally we had some corrections on Yana and Danny being removed from roll call. I confirmed all that with our admin. That's just how they're presented in the minutes using minute track. But we've cleaned that up for future meetings. 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The likely NTMP conversions could be those that are close to the government like the city. who are entities who can't do some tricks such as forming a new LLC or something like that, you know, to avoid the cap. I can think of one locally. VanEck. They're right at the limit too. I was going to ask CalPAR just for a list. Well, I think you can get that just on the line. The current list and just see how many are close to that threshold. I have heard from inland forest landowners who do 25, well, it's a great tool. But 2,500 acres is not fair for somebody in Lassen County compared to Humboldt County. Right. Just the timber values are different. So it's not -- if you're going to say, you're industrial, you're not industrial. The acres aren't created equally. You know, you've got a bunch of ponderosa pine and juniper and stuff. You know, it's not -- it's already just arbitrary. So is this -- if the city goes to a working forest management plan, it sounds like there's encouragement to do it, to get into it. But then once the city gets into it, what are the -- what are the -- like what's different in practice? Because there's more monitoring, right? There's like a different -- or a different -- There's more public engagement. Yeah. There's a number of pieces in it. I mean, maybe we should come back with a more -- like a more detailed analysis to really look at the crosswalk. The city one did have its finder review, which the -- you know, trustee agencies could -- and there was -- it was a -- Is this not? It was a space of -- Okay. That's a set up for the bad actors, right? Who are pushing the limit on sustained yield. Right? Yeah. But -- Okay. It would definitely be easier if it all of a sudden, magically -- the NTMP acres threshold one up. And then, you know -- Okay. So let's see if -- And they sort of randomly picked 2,500 acres. I mean, what would -- There was no -- there was no data behind that decision. That's what I -- It was a -- it was a field decision in the '80s around like , oh, this feels like what a small landowner is, versus somebody who's getting into the bigger category. Anything that could avoid you going to a PHI with a water board for a brand new plan would be an advantage. Yeah. Like the number of landowners in Humboldt County that are over that limit, but really aren't big, is really significant. And so it's -- and it's really complicated to analyze, because every family owns their land in different ways. So -- Parcels. Yes, yes, yes. Right. Like, you own it solely. I own it solely. We own it together. We own it with a sister. We own it with -- like, it's like doing an analysis of what is the actual acreage of an individual is very complicated to do. Right. But there are more than 25 families that sit above 2,500 acres that are how I would think of as small family operations. You know, they don't have their own staff. They don't have -- Sure. They just -- So when they're in this, you know, middle zone of, you know , the middle class bubble of landownership where nothing ever helps you financially. But I think we should probably just move on with this one until we can come back with a more detailed crosswalk around what that might be like. Yeah. There's things in process going on, including the city asking for support from, you know, a lot of allies. There's things in the city that we can't do. And -- And -- And -- And -- And -- It -- you know, um -- If we get somebody to pay the grant, for example, to pay for the transition. Couching it as -- The city has a barrier to conservation. That's right. We can't do anything. Can you help us remove that barrier to conservation? That would be the way to do it right now. Give us a grant for $180,000 or whatever it is. Or we do a different route. Didn't I get something from the land trust recently that said at the very end, and we'd like to add this to our kid community for someday. I swear it did. The land trust sent me a pamphlet. Yeah. Yeah. I know that one. Yeah. And I know of one ten acre piece that's already in this person's adjacent to the farm track. And their, uh, will, so to speak, or in their estate planning. Huh. And I know of one ten acre piece that's already in this person's adjacent to the farm track. And their, uh, will, so to speak, or in their estate planning. Huh. And I know of one ten acre piece that's already in this person's adjacent to the farm track. And their, uh, will, so to speak, or in their estate planning. Huh. And I know of one ten acre piece that's already in this person's adjacent to the farm track. And their, uh, will, so to speak, or in their estate planning. Huh. And there's, there's a possibility of it. So yeah. It's like, you know. But to, to do a WFMD by going over the threshold by five or ten acres. Yeah, no. Versus, versus, just might as well go big, you know. Yeah. But, but right now, I think the city's also a little more cautious on, uh, what acres we have. Because they're a drag on the budget sometimes, you know. If they just changed it, we should stop. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I do have a very tight nine o'clock, so. Oh. Very sorry. Um, okay. Can we move on to item seven? Um, so we're all going to close that item. And no actions, no motions. No. No actions, no motions. Okay. It was just a, a, a informational item. And I, I do like the idea of coming back with a, a clearer set of crosswalks and what the difference is between where we're at and what the new standards might be. Uh, item seven, uh, starting with a proposed 2026 timber harvest in Jacobi Peak Fulst. Is that, is that, is that, or is that Mark? Yeah. Mark and I, I guess we can compliment each other on this. Um, and I wasn't planning a big update on this, but just to kind of let the committee know where we're at. We're still, we're moving forward with a proposed harvest for 2026. We're in the process, we haven't done a, um, a sale bid announcement yet or a logger bid announcement. Okay. So we're in the process of just finishing the marking of the timber and laying out the boundaries. And, um, we're anticipating having that, um, go out in June for, um, the sale and, uh, logger bid. Um, but essentially the area is out in Jacobi Creek. You know, we put in our new bridge, um, last year on Hoot Creek, which is, right about in here somewhere. Um, so we crossed the Hoot Creek bridge and again, um, it's out over onto this far area. Um, and so it's being proposed as a cable logging, um, system again. Um, so, you know, this is the bulk of the area and then some small patches on the edges. Um, but essentially, yeah, we've kind of started to mark the area and lay out all the boundaries on it. Start it. Okay. I've marked 355,000 board feet. Okay. That's more than a start. Yeah. You're engaged. Right here. Mostly regular. And. I'm trying to be, yeah. I'm trying to be, yeah. Because, yeah. Because, yeah. Tugfer is not good at us. What is the Tugfer? Uh, I've heard some sales recently of 535. Oh, yeah. That's brutal. That's brutal. Yeah. For cable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're told about five and a quarter. And we're not doing anything. Yeah. So, not much of an update just letting the committee know that we are still moving forward on it. And, um, probably by next meeting we will have to say aloud and kind of know what's coming. And less road related work because it's in our. Well, we actually do have a lot of road related work. Let's see if I can throw on creeps here. I'm just going to show you guys. Um, I thought my creeps should be showing. I'll find my creeps. Oh, that's cool. Oh, yeah. You got some stuff. Um, so, there's your creeps. So, um, over here we have a double pulver that was installed. What year was that? It wasn't that long ago. We did it. We got re-installed in 2007. So, 2007. And, um. The initial one was 1987. So, that area is moving too much. So, we're going to actually, that'll be a pulled crossing. And laid way back. Both pipes will come out at the end of the job. Kind of turn it into a spitler for the job. And, um, so the thing with pulling that crossing is this road will then become 10. It'll be a temporary road beyond there once you have the pulled crossing. And then there's some small ditch relief culverts. And, um. Two class threes. Two class threes. Eighteen inches. One just a ditch relief. So, three eighteen inch pipes. They get removed and turned into basically rocked ford crossing. But it's .47 miles of seasonal truck road. Seasonal logging road going to Tempestatus. Which is a real drag by the way. It is a real drag. Because the rest of the road is great. And you can't have pipes way out there with no access. Right. Because once you go temporary status at that slide on that Adwell soil lens, it's basically deactivated. You have to block it for normal use of a highway, like a 4x 4 truck or something. ATV? Uh huh. Yeah, you can go in there. Monitoring. And is that because it's too expensive to have a more permanent fix? I went out there with Gary Simpson, geologist. You know, we crawled all over that. To put, it's too steep to make a rock fork kind of rubber band thing like that, the other one that we have out there. Uh huh. And to put a fixed pipe in. Uh, active slide loop does not fly. You know, we replaced the CMPs with corrugated metal pipes with plastic. The plastic popped apart in the center. Uh huh. And there's like a void there. They tend to do that easier than it probably, metal covers with a band on them probably would have held together. Uh huh. But, anyway, that's a big, anyway, that's a, I have an amendment to the plan for that. Just waiting for the geologist to report what they gave us in it. Cause that's an attachment. But yeah, it's, it's a road to nowhere, fortunately. Uh huh. But, which makes it, well, we're gonna be in here. Now's the time to thin. And then it's just, probably not coming back for 20 years. Uh huh. It does look pretty ugly. That crate's all braided and all lumpy all in through there . So it does look like it's moving pretty good. Well, it held, it held since '87 to 2007. It didn't budge. Uh, and then kind of the last five years it's dropped. Uh, I can drive up my pickup, barely. Most people would get out if they were in the passenger side. Your pickup's been around the block. It's, it's known you for a while, so. Yeah, it's, it's an experienced pickup. Passengers on the downhill side, on the way over. Um, so that, that means, um, well. Uh, well, I'm not sure if you're in the passenger side. Uh, I'm not sure if you're in the passenger side. Uh, I'm not sure if you're in the passenger side. Uh, I'm not sure if you're in the passenger side. Uh, I'm not sure if you're in the passenger side. Uh, I'm not sure if you're in the passenger side. Uh, I'm not sure if you're in the passenger side. Uh, I'm not sure if you're in the passenger side. Uh, I'm not sure if you're in the passenger side. Uh, I'm sure if you're in the passenger side. Uh, I'm sure if you're in the passenger side. experienced jacques on the downhill side, on the way over. So that means. So basically you are going to be cable logging that steep stuff here to the south. Where there is timber, but there is two plantations. One is right here. And the other one is up there at the junction. Well over there, they just happen to be nice 18 inch trees. They are super dense so they can stable in those. So those two plantations. What species? Technically it is commercial thinning. The other rest of it is the older forest selection. Okay. It was redwood though? The plantations? The plant ations are redwood. Yeah. Bear damages. On a scale of 10? Nine. Really? Okay. Because they are growing so well. So you are going to have a tail hold all the way over. You are going to have a big machine out there. Probably like that same old, same machine size as last year . Which is amazing to see those things go down the road. They just like put their boom back and just drive down the road. They look smaller than the, you know, the loader. What is it like a 30 foot boom? Sorry, I'll get out of your way after this. This is an extraordinary bowl here, by the way. There is a narrow gap right here. And here is Jacobi Creek over here. This is prominent ridge. It is like this protected bowl. And there are some humongous old growth western red cedar in there. Some big hemlock. There is a super active slide here. Is it a rotational kind of? Yeah, the whole thing. The hooch at the bottom down there is kind of stable? There is like some sag ponds in here. Little weapons. And there are two activity centers for innocent. We have been trying to thread the needle around them. And they are the constraint for working for where you put, because otherwise you put your tail holds over here. Or probably not to tie on some trees. But try to work around those. activity centers. Makes it really tricky. Really tricky. In fact, basically from here, it's pretty much owl habitat reserve. If you have a lot of trees, you can't see it. If you have a lot of trees. If you have a lot of trees. If you have a lot of trees. If you have a lot of trees. Or you have to tie on some trees. Or you have to tie on some trees . But trying to work around those activity centers. makes it really tricky. In fact, basically from here it's pretty much owl habitat reserve. If those two, I don't know if you want to get into that, but one is an activity center, the former nest tree that I found with Rocky Kateris in 1987, before the speech. I remember right about that. Alan Franklin. Right, yeah. It was like the first experience some of those guys got seeing a real tree with an owl. Two years before I got mine. So there's a lot of owl history. There is a lot of owl history, but they've been barred owls . Barred owls. Since my whole career here, so for 19 years, it's also bar red owls down there. Which would, you know, if there was still a process in place by which you could abandon, but you know, the agencies would acknowledge that it's, let 's say unlikely that take of Spice House would occur by what's being proposed near those activity centers. We could wash our hands of it, but there's no, as far as I know, there is no process left to do that. Fifteen years ago, the Fish and Wildlife Service said we're the only ones who can do that, but then they just sort of walked away from the whole thing . So I don't know. It may be that no sites have been abandoned in fifteen years, or has Fish and Game been doing it, or? I've really only seen one site get kind of turned invalid, I think is what they listed it on the CNDDB website, and that's north of the Arcata Community Forest, and that was based on some funny detection that Bob Kelly had had in 1992, with a male flying through the unit, and it became an activity center, you know, so that sort of thing. It was a really old single detection with not a lot of meat behind it. Right. And that one, and for years that was like still showing on CNDDB, and I would call every year and get the update on the AC, and then now it's kind of taken off the map, and it has a new icon, and it's shown as invalid. Yeah. But that's the only one adjacent to the, I'm not watching other areas in the county, but that's the only one adjacent to city property that I know of that's had any major change. We've had new ones come on over the years, but nothing I've seen really go away through that process, you know. And that again will go toward why it's important for us to move forward with the sort, you know, and wrap that up, and hopefully get that done in 2026 here, and make all our final changes on that, and we can address some of these legacy issues such as historical nest trees that haven't been used in 20 plus years. Yeah, barred owl sites. Yeah, sites that have converted to barred owl, and, you know, that'll be a cleaner way for us to move forward. You know, right now we don't address barred owl and stuff in our current HRA or habitat retention agreement, which is what we operate on. So that's not addressing barred owl. It's kind of legacy document at this point. But with moving forward with the sort, that will give us new avenues and more realistic ways to manage these sites in the future. How, do you, does anyone know how the staffing is at Fish and Wildlife Service? Or if there is any. Or, I mean. As far as I know, there's very few people who show up in that building. But did we lose anybody in the last year? I don't know. Most likely, I know NIMS took a huge hit. Yeah. They lost at least 40% of their staff. Right. Just fighting that is an issue for technical consulting and any other. Yeah. Yeah, because I know with NIMS what they're doing is a lot of their consultations, they're shipping down to Santa Rosa . Yeah. And that's a black hole down there. Nobody knows what's going on. Because I have one active right now. And I haven't heard a peep for months. And with CAL FIRE we have been working with states and standards, and she's not in that role anymore. Yeah. And the city's been a little slightly outside the box sometimes. So we'll see how this goes. But, you know, activity center basically is, they're right back to back. So, 300 foot radius, no tree cutting at all. 500 selection light, which we're doing already anyway. So that's probably not a big thing. But whether we can have cables going through those. That's timber harvest activity technically and sometimes. We'll move very quietly. Pardon me. Quietly. Well, the logs would mean, they wouldn't be shooting logs through. They'd be in the area. They'd have to. Talk. They wouldn't have to go, you know, they just have to span them, you know. And it might require a couple trees for the corridor. But they're not going to be logging that ridge top and flying logs through. So it would be nice to ask that, you know, who to talk to about that one. Because. Yeah. Can't do it in Lubbock. I mean, I could make the argument, but I don't know if there's anyone to make the argument to. Is there anything that we can do to help? Or. Is there anything we can do to help for this harvest round? Anything you want to get back on? Do you got your road stuff covered? I think we're, I think we're okay. You can figure it out. Yeah. I think if anything come up, we can reach out. But. Great. No technical stuff. I mean, Danny has seen some of the old, when I was working with Danny on the bridge and stuff, we did some nice tours. We had the quad out there and we were able to kind of put ter around. So I got him to come look at some of, you know, the slide location here, which is old and historic now at this point. And he's seen a lot of that. That one is the worst. That's a temporary road we used in 2007. John Lima Thin, that whole area. And we used Spittler's and backed out of there. But probably six years ago, that one? Yeah, that sounds about right. That one dropped. It's probably a prism about like that. It's nasty. There's no crossing it again. At all. So that's wilderness now? Yeah. I mean, I was kind of went into some of the, I think, Mark 's decision-making process on what to do with this area here and this being the temp road is this slide now has taken out all of this section. So this is already considered temp road. So all we had was this kind of other little dog leg dead end out here, which is a nice road. It's a really nice road. It's very stable looking and it's kind of on this ridge and it's just, you know, well built. But it is kind of just a dead end out there. And is that Cal Poly Humboldt to the right side of the map? Yeah, I can throw on Cal Poly Humboldt if you guys want to. No, that's Green Diamond. That's Green Diamond. All that stuff here. And I can do, where's my boundaries? That's okay. Well, if you don't want it, I can throw them on. It's Green Diamond where that road went off. Okay. Yeah. The Cal Poly is all out here. Yeah, not on the other side. It's on the other side. There's what? How many acres in that piece that's contiguous with the bar red activity center that's going to stay nest trees to habitat basically forever? So, you know, there's no shortage of habitat. I mean, the one actual nest tree, you know, the historic one, yeah, you want to protect that one just because. But the fact is, the birds could have been found anywhere in there at any given day because the habitat's the same for basically everything on there. And all you're talking about doing is putting cables through there. You're not flying trees at all through the core area. It's just going to be cables up there in the canopy. No problem. Now, I'm not sure who or where we would have to convince of that, but I mean, I used to do that and I could easily make the argument that there's no significant effect going to occur from cables running through those canopy when you're not, I mean, you're not going to fly logs through there, right? There's no logs being flown through it, so. 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There's no longer a lot of trees. There's no longer a lot of trees. There's no longer a lot of trees. And I started to kind of look at the old data now, now that it's pertinent again. And in my opinion, this centroid of this activity center is based on, I'm a preliminary here, but based on a barred owl, potentially nest tree. And so the activity center centroid, instead of being based on a spotted owl nest tree, in my opinion at this time, is currently based on a barred owl nest tree. And in which they thought looked like the best nest tree in the stand. And it's a big hemlock with a huge cavity in it that looks basically all hollowed out. Doesn't look that, I've never seen a bird nest in something like that. But at any rate, that's what my opinion is right now, without going super into detail on it, is that this centroid is actually not even based on a good location. So it's kind of more of the, if anything, it should be in the center of this circle, which is more of the historic zone that we know of from the late '80s. But again, this site's been taken over by barred owls in my whole career. When I came on in 2007, you know, I was told, "Oh, this is the good owl zone down in there." And my first year, I was like, "We've got barred owls down there." And then we started a three-year telemetry project with NAC AZI, North Coast Air and Stream Improvement. And we did a three-year telemetry study between 2008 and 2011 or so, in that time period in which we were doing all this barred owl telemetry work. And that's when this site kind of came on and the CNDDB acknowledged this as the primary site for the owl. That one's all hemlock in there anyway. It's like, it's the other one that's like the classic, you know, scomp bumps of redwood where if you cut one or two, it doesn't change anything. But it's where -- that's the one that's really pinching this operation to the point of, you know, making it difficult. Well, if I was 15 years ago, if you would have brought that to me with that historic -- of course, then it would have only been five years of bar red owls data. But the service would have said there's almost nothing you can do to take the bird in this situation. I mean, it would be literally impossible to make a take claim. No. Right? I mean, there's no bird in there. No evidence of the bird and you've looked for 19 straight years. And we've basically done stand searches on that time and documented barred owls nesting in there with multiple barred owls nesting in there. I think we need to have a zoomed cow fires out person to just talk about this. Yeah. I think that sounds like the right idea. That's where -- at that point. Yeah. But, you know, the barred owl density is so big in there, you know, so I just picked up a barred owl a few nights ago right here. And I pick up barred owls right on the other side of this ridge right here. Oh, yeah. And a few nights ago right after picking up the one here, then I picked up another one, right? Station 9 right over here. So, you know, and this is where our actual active site is for NSO over here. So they're kind of surviving in this land of barred owls around them everywhere. Now, I don't know if at the time when I picked up the other night, when I picked up the barred owl up here at 9, if it was this guy and flew all the way over. That is possible. Yeah. But, you know, I don't know. There's no way to know. I was -- I dropped all the stations in between. So to, like, have him beeline over there, yeah, it's possible, but -- It also could be another. At any rate, in the essence of time, I know we got some strict departures today. Any more on item A? So item A, yeah, I don't have anything more to address on that for those two versions. So thank you for the update. Maybe it's crossed we get a bit. And we'll be like a pre-harvest tour. I think that's -- I don't know. So let's move on to -- are you taking off mark? No, no. Okay. Let's move on to item B, potential vacancy interviews. They are scheduled for May 20th for the city council, which I believe are public meetings. And there's -- I think the exciting news is there are five -- And so I went and checked with our clerk yesterday. We have five applicants. And the interview is scheduled for May 20th. And I think they're expecting to have council approve it by June 15th. That's right. They interview a public piece to go to the back room of them. Right. Yeah. So what time on May 20th? I do not have a time. We can get back to the committee with the time. Okay. Yeah, because -- am I going to be around on May 20th? I am not around May 20th. Because I'd be interested in sitting in on that. Yeah. Who's the fifth? I don't know if folks know the other -- I only know about three of the applicant names. So when I heard five, it was like, oh, there's been some new ones. I know three. I know three. There's one I didn't recognize. Harrison or something. Yeah, right. I don't know about him. folks know the other I only know about three of the applicant names so when I heard five it was like oh there's been someone there's one I didn't recognize here yeah well it'll probably be relatively late right council because they work and stuff like that yeah I imagine yeah I have a dentist appointment at 4:00 p.m. so I don't I won't be able to make it I don't want to drool all over the table early morning you know okay while bringing the committee I'll make sure that we send out an email with you and does this committee have any is it appropriate for us to have any thoughts about what expertise we might want to be rounded out with or what skill base I mean would it make sense for us to send a message around kind of we're open anything or we're really looking for something in particular or historically the mayor or talks to the director to ask you what expertise would be the best we have we have some choices here like if you have to be already for fish biologists do you want another fish bi ologist yeah so they might they might do that with Emily maybe after the interviews or beef before before just to say what what slot this is unique committee because it has a range of professional expertise which goes a long way for the city's credibility but um something but it's just up to them and you know the council makes the choice yeah political appointment and that they just as long as it 's about somebody's brother-in-law or something right right it would be nice that they do have some forest experience forestry experience yeah I mean the application applicants I saw look pretty well-rounded applicants for the committee there's even one with an RPF license in there yeah oh really yeah oh sweet oh so I've actually done stuff yeah there's some there's some quality names in there good yeah good yeah good things okay well then I guess we'll and also I'll make sure that our staffs have been out the things as soon as possible to let you know the interview times so I see item eight future agenda items of pre harvest tour um is that something you want to give us a date on I mean I 'm assuming that would probably be next meeting which is July is that right yeah I'm sure we're going to have a date on the meeting so I'm sure we're going to have a date on the meeting so I'm sure we're going to have a date on the meeting so I'm sure we're going to have a date on the meeting so I'm sure we're going to have a date on the meeting on the meeting so I'm sure we're going to have a date on the meeting on the meeting on the meeting so I see item eight future agenda items of pre harvest tour um is that something you want to give us a date on I mean I'm assuming that would probably be next meeting which is July is that right yeah it says item nine item eight oh there it is it says item nine got it and let's see I think that was like yeah yeah yeah and so like in my um speaking with Emily yesterday I think she was anticipating by um July 15th the council will be awarding the uh I gotta push back a little bit just cause of some we would be awarding the bids by um July 15th so the July 9th for pre harvest tour we should probably already have our bids in and kind of know that we're going that direction 100% and yeah I mean you can only right you know you're limbo the bid market but uh so July 9th we should have all that in order and it may not be awarded but at least know who our candidates are yeah if you put out to bid and then get a really really low bid only can you still pull back yeah yeah so you can have a minimum threshold in your mind and the language is in there you know and even the timber timber cell you don't have to award it yeah okay um there might be some choices there I mean after this meeting I have a call with Tom Game we're getting some more carbon verified too we're bringing that up to like this year that's 10,000 more tons than we thought so this might be a year that the carbon market helps out a little bit because you cut a hemlock out there you net zero dollars right big beautiful thousand board foot you cut a Doug Ferrer out there right now but that at the price I'm hearing with cable you know the trucking of people what are you making forty dollars a thousand yeah I was going to say fifty bucks a thousand Redwood's getting trucked so it's like shhhhhh you know oh and there's one more crossing since we're in there we're going to upgrade two that you can point to but anyway it's just we'll have to evaluate yeah Mark could I revisit 7a just rock source what kind of rock source do we have now nothing uh it's not it's not local it's just it's from Kern it's from the Liscum Hill for a half mostly the kind of rock we're talking about is you know like six to twelve inch six to ten inch in those swales with some bigger rock the anchoring at the bottom but we purchased it from Kernan yeah Kernan and then so we've been doing like in the rock forge like the eight by twelve size and then one by threes for top coating the top of the cross ings like in the critical dip area we've been doing one by three it doesn't drive over that it's not that friendly to drive over but it really uh for the haul distance that you're getting out there the you put fine rock down and get a couple trucks over and it just goes away and so for hauling that material out there and it's based on tons that tonnage of the one by three we felt when we were working on Swainer and doing some of the road work out there you're almost just getting a better deal the other small rock the one by three drives over a lot nicer and it's a smoother driving service but it goes away so fast you can dress it yeah you can kind of top dress that the larger one by three later but there's no reason to rock this road it's already bald yeah it'll be tenth afterwards we have a rock pit here this is temporary this chert I think Jack remembers that that is there's still some rock in there but for the amount of rock to just to rock these crossings it's just easier to have it brought to site and dumped you know than to go up there with a you know machine and try to operate that quarry more because that becomes part of the timber ops and you know I have to look at that but there's a lot more rock in it all the rock here was used for all this all this and for the most part the road is kind of bomber it just had a little surface mush from just from you know compost but yeah but that would be cutting up there's a bunch of trees in here now plantation or anyway there is rock there remember everybody there's pretty good rock right there holy is that Liskum Hill quarry the V-bar quarry? I think so he's on Roger Brown got one of those rocks yeah I mean we've been liking it and it looks really good and the crossings seems to hold up really well after brown after brown I heard about that but I haven't seen anything come out of it so they're just trying to get on the coast don't know and Pacific Earthscape who put in our bridge last year they had a really good relationship with Kernan and getting that rock and so there were times when it was like no rock was available but it seemed like Pacific Earthscape was able to get that rock yeah they do a lot of work together yeah they partner up on a lot of projects so that part worked really nice for us at the city level and part of you know and I'll be really fast on this update part of the timber harvest this year is Mark and I are am ending you know fixing up all the whole compartment maps so we're remapping the creeks and the seeps and you know kind of refining some of the old NTMP map but we're addressing the whole compartment not just the NTO area so we've been looking at other like Mark mentioned that we were found another pipe there's just a couple of last threes yeah like over here we're gonna fix this up right here extend that three up up to where the top point extend that a couple of mapping things that I didn't do in 1999 you know when I was doing the whole thing from USGS so we went and checked some of the creek crossings where they drained down into Jacobi's just to confirm there were threes going into the lake and um and um anyways we're addressing the whole compartment the compartment is yeah kind of like this that's always a thing for the water port button if they see a three going into a one they go there at least one water port person it happens you know um sure but it's kind of a red flag absolutely yeah they think it should be a two because often they transition to a two before they hit the one of course I thought I thought they didn't they convert the threes going into ones into a two going up a certain amount of distance anyway well there's there's a there's a class too large and a class too standard but you're no not I don't think there's a maybe I'm in the wrong state yeah the other states yeah I remember something about that I haven't laid out a thp in a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time it's been a long time so I mean that's kind of all I had to say on the pre-harvest tour well the pre-harvest tour will have you know later in July and then for our last item just for the essence of time updated SOARP the draft spotted out resource plan we haven't made any changes on that since our last meeting discussing it we've been kind of focused more on the timber harvest which the SOARP is pertinent to that too and we may have some upcoming conversations but we do still have some corrections and I do anticipate to have that completed in 2026 and start moving forward and working under the SOARP Great Yeah, if it's accepted If it's accepted Yeah, I guess I mean I've never heard of one not being accepted but I suppose it's processed I could No With that are we done? Yeah Yeah Shall I move to close? Move to close? Yep Okay Second Second the motion to close Excellent Oh, okay That's all right

Okay, it is now going and today is May 13th. Thank you, Parks and Rec Committee meeting. All right, let's call this meeting to order with our roll call. I'll start Lane. What pop over here? Bill Peloso. Quarles. Keith. Earl. Coles. All right, so we're just missing, I don't know what John is asking. Kel. Thank you, Kel. Okay, and next we need to move on to the approval of the minutes. I think we start with the recommendation and then have discussion if there is any. I move to approve the minutes. Thank you, my friend. I'll second it. That was Quarles followed by Coles. Any discussion? All right, sweet. Now we're up to oral communications. Oh, we need a vote. For the recorder, everyone seemed pretty positive about that, so that's why I moved on. If there's a vote to approve the minutes. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, any opposed? No one stayed? Good. Now onto my favorite part, oral comments. This item is provided for people to address the committee on matters not on the agenda. At the conclusion of all oral communications, the committee may respond to statements. Any requests that require action will be set by the committee to a future agenda or be referred to by staff. So, I believe our allotment is three minutes. Do we have any oral communications? No, just thinking. Oh. Okay. Wow, we're cruising. So, agenda modifications. Anybody have anything they want to change? All right. That's looking good. There's no old business, so we get to jump right into new business. Looks like we're going to consider a special event application submitted by the Playhouse Arts to host events at Ennis Park throughout the summer of 2026 and take action as appropriate. I know. I was excited to see that topic. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, I can frame with a little bit of a staff report and then I will introduce and pass the mic, for lack of a better term, over to Steven, our new recreation supervisor. So, one thing to frame is that it's not typical that our special event applications would come to the committee for review necessarily, but we did want to bring this to the committee for two reasons. One is that Ennis Park isn't a commonly rented space. It's unique and so we recognize that there could be, you know, potential community feedback or questions on that space. And then the other is because there has been that ongoing interest at the committee level of Ennis Park and so it just, it felt relevant to bring to the committee, just kind of in line with that. Thank you. Yeah. And then the other piece I'll just say before passing on to Steven is that this would be summertime only. It would be a temporary tent. So, it's really using the space in a flexible community building way for a period of time that wouldn't impact any future planning development implementation of any type of walking path. And even if, or when we go to, even if we were to construct a path around the perimeter of Ennis Park, it wouldn't happen before the ending of that event window, just with the project timeline. So, there isn't any possible conflict there and I just kind of wanted to say that at the outset, in case that's something that folks might be thinking of. So, with that I will stop and turn over to our new recreation supervisor, Steven Scarborough. All right. Well, yeah. So, this was an idea that the Playhouse originally brought to us with the proposal of putting the tent up at the Bayside Park Farm. So, after a couple of site visits and just kind of looking at the overall use of that space, we determined it wasn't really feasible or appropriate. And so, in looking for alternatives, we had the idea of En nis Park. So, it's a nice big open space. It will easily accommodate their tent. There's enough space on the property to have both the tent and off-street parking. So, that's not going to impact the neighborhood as much. And yeah. So, they're looking to do it from, I believe, June 20th to July. Yeah, June 20th to July 26th. So, kind of about five weeks throughout the summer there. Their general idea is to kind of make an open space for various community groups to come and do different types of programming. Some of the ideas they mentioned were like storytelling events, youth and family workshops, arts programming, potential film screenings, maybe some live music, that sort of thing. So, the tent is, it's very big. It's 40 by 80. It has been permitted by the city in the past to be set up. It was previously out at the Carlson Park area. And it's either 22 or 24. So, it's got building department kind of like previous approval. And it's, it's securable. Like the tent sites can be locked up when they're not there . They've stated they wouldn't be keeping anything of value there. Also, different ideas for additional security, like putting a fence around it or having somebody kind of on site to monitor the space when there's not events happening. And it won't blow away? No. No, it's very large. One of the major concerns about putting it out at the Bay side Park farm was that it, that has three foot long stakes that go in to help support it. And with the irrigation out there, hitting those was a major, major thought there. But yeah, so it seems like a good way. It's, it is kind of in that community space of the neighborhood there. So, it'll be a bit of increased traffic when there's events . But it's also a setback. So, even when there is live music or things that have potential amplification, it's not like in the middle of the community. It's kind of off to the side, kind of by the deep seated farm and more open space in general. Did they talk about the hours in which they want to do this stuff? So, in a neighborhood makes me feel like that might be. Yeah. And that is something that we can specify in their conditions of the special event application. So, they've acknowledged kind of in their proposal here that anything with amplified music would, would follow any, any guidelines as far as hours and noise levels. So, it's not just sort of the community around there. And lighting. So, there's not less electricity out there. Yeah. So, they have, they said they've got a number of the battery powered generators. There's a company called Jackery that makes their, they're basically just like a big battery that you can plug into. So, there wouldn't need to be any, any gas generators or additional power supply needed. They'd be able to provide whatever is required for them. Okay. And then the other just thing that happened, you know, it's , it's all just big grassy. I don't know if we're mowing it. Last time I was out there, I saw people walking the sides, but I don't know that it's like manicured mode. So, for parking, there's the deep seated parking lot, which I'm sure people will park in, which will definitely make deep seated probably grumpy. But how are we maintaining the walkway and having them parked? I'm sure. Yeah. Just saying. So, so Playhouse has talked to deep seated farm to kind of make them aware of, of this potential. The, the design, I can kind of pass this around. But so, if you come in the deep seated parking lot, the city property. So we kind of pass this around. So, um, this map shows the, the D3 or the deep seated driveway that goes in. You can kind of see the, the blue here is city property. And I'll pass this around. You can take a better look at it. But basically the, the city owns part of their driveway. And we figured we could make a Y off of there and remove some of the big rocks and then create a, both a parking space and a tent space in the Ennis Park area. It's all going to be within the field space. The parks crew has gone out there recently and took the shredder to the grass. So it's, it's quite a bit knocked down at this point. Cool. That's Tuesday. A week ago Tuesday. Yeah. And would be able to do that again as we get closer to the event. So. And maybe the, the only thing to specify in their permit is traffic control. Right? Because it's not necessarily a two-way lane. So I would imagine going in and going out is all the same. But they might just want to make sure they have a control person there. Yeah. That's a good idea. So is there going to be an event schedule? The, there's not one yet. Like it's still kind of. Your birthday? Yes. Yes. I was just thinking it would be nice. With the house. Right along the backup. Yeah. To have a copy of the event schedule. Yeah. That, that's definitely a great consideration of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of letting, letting the direct neighbors know what specifically when things would be going on. Yeah. The direct contact neighbors. Mm-hmm. Is this tent, you mentioned like kind of, I guess, play house generated events. I know sometimes they have a circus coming down. Yeah. Like a human circus. Yeah. Is that going to be part of this? Yeah. They have not mentioned that in any of our communications regarding. Okay. It's just the circus tent. Oh, okay. I think the last, I can chime in a little bit on that. The last year, possibly two years, the circus landed in the Eureka Waterfront. Oh, okay. I'm forgetting the name of it. Yeah. It's the Flint Creek Circus. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. This tent, albeit similar to a circus tent, is not the same tent. Yeah. And it was actually purchased using, um. It's smaller. It is smaller. And it was purchased using, this is just a tidbit, um, city granted ARPA funds during the pandemic to host outdoor gathering spaces. So, yeah, it's good. Cool. What was the experience like two years ago when they had it at Carlton Park? It went actually really well. Mm-hmm. Yeah. There was one neighbor that we worked with a bit, kind of, uh, minimized the impact. Um, but it was really well received to the extent that we really, I mean, we love Carlton Park and that it's built out, but we were really sad to see it leave that space. Because it, yeah, it actually flowed really well, um, generated a lot of community excitement. And this would be a way scaled back type of event, um, size , but that's a great comparable. Um, and that was actually a little bit trickier for traffic flow and parking. As you may know, uh, parking within that subdivision does not exist on the street really. Mm-hmm. Um, whereas Enos Park will create that designated off-st reet parking. And then, um, generally speaking, the broader neighborhood has on-street parking available, kind of, at all times. So I just, I don't think there will be that pressure on parking quite as much. And did they have any large events that actually happened there? Or were they all kind of, I mean, do you have any idea? At the Carlton Park location when they had the tent out there? It was the circus. Yeah. It was the circus. Yeah, so the other spot, actually when Playhouse, um, so the circus itself came to Carlton Park. Uh-huh. And then I believe the Playhouse tent was not on, it wasn't at Carlton, it was, I don't know, adjacent. Okay. Um, privately owned. And so I think they had some small gathering types. I would imagine this would be kind of a similar position. I remember thinking they had a magic show there with like a guy playing guitar or something. I think it went to school a couple years ago. Yeah. Pretty small scale. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the Playhouse is a well-respected, adored group. Yeah, and they are, um, the other just kind of background information I would add is that they're technically the city's local arts agency, um, which was formalized through the Arcata Strategic Arts Plan and the city acted as a, um, we provided a letter of support to them for an outside arts grant, which includes a huge amount of things that they are doing. It's impressive. Um, and this is one of the things that is a grant funded activity. Cool. What are, so are we kind of just being like notified of this or what are the next steps for this project? Yeah, um, just kind of getting any thoughts and feedback from, from the committee here. Um, and then we'll proceed kind of with, with their, to processing their special event application. And procedurally. See the recommendation? Yeah, I was going to say the committee could recommend, um, some type of motion, you know, to, to formalize the feedback. Um, they could also provide an informal feedback. We'll take that and form that into the staff conditions. Um, so it would really be at the, the committee's pleasure. You've got the flexibility to do both. I think the only other consideration that I can think of is just the play area. Mm-hmm. And again, that traffic person would just want to be making sure that if there were kids or families at play, that's not crisscrossing. Mm-hmm. But people who have never been there before, right? Mm-hmm. So that, just the traffic flow, I think is my major, as an events person too. Mm-hmm. Well, I mean, mine is just being a good neighbor. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Notifying the neighbors beforehand, hopefully, and answering any questions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm sure once they see a tent go up, it can be like ... Mm-hmm. What's happening? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. We're doing ourselves a favor. Mm-hmm. I think this is an interesting opportunity, actually, because we are kind of talking about the walking path on this park, and there has been neighborhood involvement, but surely not every neighbor, you know, is aware or involved. Mm-hmm. And so with a few more people coming in, maybe, I don't know if we're looking for more feedback or design or even future-looking notifications, but we could communicate something like, here's something to come at this park, a walking path, or, you know, I don't... What would you like to see? Right. A little... But yeah, whatever we are looking for, if that's feedback or dreams or wishes, and also a good opportunity to hopefully get in the neighbors, like, yeah, on their good side before we change things or change starts happening, too. So if there are, yeah, considerations for that, somehow, I don't know, joining in with that would be helpful. Well, I think, does anyone want to make a motion to recommend approval of the special event application with the feedback? Do you want to ask if there's any... I would love to know if there's some public comments on this before we make a recommendation? Yeah, this sounds really interesting. I know there were a lot of lessons learned at the Playhouse with the Porch Fest over in Sunny Bray, so I'm glad it's the same organization. And my question was, will they be providing porta-potties? Yes. I know, I was just curious if that was part of that. Yeah, porta-potties would definitely be required of their commission, so... Oh, right. Okay. Because there's no other facilities out there, so... Yes. Okay. Okay. Do we feel the need to make a recommendation to support it? I'll make a motion if we support their proposal or their application and ask that, you know, they'd be a good neighbor and notify the close neighbors prior to setting up the tent. And with a schedule maybe too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And everything we talked about. Like hours. Or at least something tentative, you know. Yeah. And not in my motion, but they could provide a phone number to contact so the city doesn't get the calls. I mean, I took that idea. Do we have a second for that recommendation? I'll second that. Okay. All right. So, gosh. Sheldon, do I have to take discussion now? Or we just vote? You can just vote. Okay. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed? No. No. And any abstains? No. Okay. Cool. Let's review the Parks and Recreation Committee Annual Report and take action as appropriate. I'm going to take a moment and duck out, but it is nice to meet you all. Very nice to meet you for coming. Yeah, definitely. I look forward to working with you more in the future. Yeah. We're bringing this cool program. Yeah. I can provide just a quick, again, framing context, because we're doing the annual report a little differently this year. So I wanted to provide that background with this agenda item and then that can kind of flow under the next agenda item. So, upon some reflection, we are recommending that the committee tease out the committee annual report from the Parks and Rec Division Annual Report. And there's two reasons for that. One is the other city committee's annual reports really just reflect the committee work that they do over the year. They don't reflect the division that the committees support . And so we're really trying to find parity across or kind of have the various annual reports be commensurate across the city. The second, which is really, in my opinion, the more important, is because a committee member will provide the annual report every year to council and generally because they're shorter reports themselves, it's a pretty short window of time that a committee member can share with the council. And generally, they focus on the work that the committee did, but of course, there's input from staff and like highlight this program and that program. But it really gets compressed into a small amount of time. So, the thinking is that by teasing out the committee from the division annual report, that provides staff the opportunity to verbally provide the annual report to council. It's more of like a PowerPoint presentation and take a little bit more of your time and kind of highlight the programs and facilities and milestones just to really ensure that there is focused review of the highlights of the year. So, again, that first kind of structural motivator of let's have the opinions all have more consistent style annual reports. And the second is this is a really great report that a lot of time and effort goes into and can we elevate it a little bit and get it a little bit more at a time. So, that's the story. And we do a lot. And what was that? We do a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's so long. Yeah. So, are you saying you didn't like my reports to the city? She just doesn't want to put that work on the desk. I think we should shoot air. I thought I was doing good getting in and out of air. You're doing great. Great. I'm so into our all-star. Oh. Committee reporters. Honestly. So, then this action is are we taking the action to break those apart? You don't need to. I just wanted to kind of give that framing because you'll see it as two separate agenda items. So, if members were like, what the heck? This is only two pages and usually it's 40. That's why. Okay. Because it's kind of a different report. I would say as a person that did give the annual report to the committee, I love this. I love that the separate because it was like what our goals were and how we did or did not accomplish them which makes it a really easy way to concisely give that report because not so much with this city council but in the past city council they pulled up questions out of that annual report and looked at me and I'm like, I don't know. I'm the volunteer. Yeah. What is this? So, it's nice to have that and I think that that's a really great way to do it. So, if you're asking for feedback, should we do this in the future? Super helpful. Yeah. Thank you. So, do they formally get the report? Yes. Both. And then you guys are there to answer questions when they get that or is it at the same time and then the committee member just gives a brief? So, historically, I actually can't speak as much to the Parks and Rec Committee because that was a previous council then I became the liaison. I think the current council really, they don't ask a lot of questions. They usually express their gratitude. 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That's really what happened. So, so I just I just think this is great. When I read it, I was like, I was clear and concise. Makes sense. Well, I think it's good, too, because in the past, I've been I've done it. And they've asked me, well, why do you think the participation is down? You know, a question time. COVID? Yeah. You know. But this council is really, it seems like they just want to get out of here. We do a lot of prep. Yeah, they do a lot of prep. Yeah, they do a lot of prep. But I mean, I've had councils where they've looked on their iPad the whole time I gave them the report. They're like, pass notes to each other or talk to each other. And then they ask all these questions. And it's just like, well, come on. You don't really care that I'm here. So why are you trying to grill me? So anyway, and then the annual report, I don't mean this as a knock against you guys, but I love it's like, it's kind of looking the same every year, which is great. It's like in years past, it's like, you guys created this whole new document every single year. And now it's just like, I feel like, and I could be totally wrong, but there's a lot more just kind of plug in the new information, which is great for me to look through. Yeah, it's so good job. It's more just looking at the outcomes of the programming and then highlighting the new problem. Like that's a good annual report if it's templated like that. Yeah. Okay, well, I guess we maybe need to take recommendation that we can move forward on the committee after we talk about it a little bit. Oh, shoot. I always think there needs to be recommendation and then discussion. Okay. I have a couple questions about things. So for the Valley West, didn't Pueblo, does Centro have programs out there last year? They might have through the participatory budgeting that C UNA, a nonprofit kind of owns. Because I know they had something in that one building, that one thing. Yeah, so if Centro had done programming in Woodsman Hall last year, it would have been through CUNA. And so it wouldn't have been a city-sponsored, like, report able program, for lack of a better term. And then in here it talks about the D Street and the community center again gets re-roofed. Are you on the-- Yeah, I think-- Oh, I'm on the first-- Are you on the-- Are you on C or B? I am on-- Or just on the committee report? Well, I'm on-- I thought we were there. Did I do it wrong? I'm on C. The annual report, City Council. But the committee one or the division one? The committee one. Okay. Okay. Six. Oops. I think it's good. You did that. But number-- it doesn't say anything about solar. So D Street got re-roofed. The community center down by Hillsport got re-roofed and had solar. I know, but you're not in-- I think that the report itself should, but let me double check. Because if not-- Because that's a big thing. Yeah. It is. Which number are you on? I am on the-- Yes. It is. It's in there. It's just a separate bullet since it was-- What number? A separate project. 24. Page six. Number one. Okay. Oh. Ah, I see. I replaced 1B. Yes. So thanks. I was crossing my wires there. So the committee annual report, the only reason I added the roofs and not the solar there was because the goal was focused on staffing and maintenance. And so the re-roof felt like a maintenance, whereas the solar felt like a new thing. That being said, I can absolutely add that if that's what you're saying. I just thought it was a big thing. Yeah. To be able to afford. Yeah. I could totally add that. And get-- I mean, that's a reason why we said we need to re -roof it because we wanted to put the roof. So we're going to have to do that. Yep. Good catch, Debbie. And then in the plaza part number eight, I didn't know if we wanted to mention the historic-- we reviewed the historic. Yeah. We reviewed that. That was this year, though. We approved that. That was last meeting, so I wasn't sure. But it's still in that last year. Is it? No. June will be the end. That's early 26, 27. No, right. So the annual version-- I thought that, too. Well-- What is it here? It's not the year. It just went through-- No, no, no. My agenda is. Typically, the Parks and Rec Committee will do a calendar year annual report. Okay. And the division does a calendar year annual report. And your June to June reference is the fiscal year. Right. And it is constantly going back and forth. Some of the other committees do fiscal and some do calendar . Because our goals are fiscal. The goals are fiscal. So I always struggle with that reality that the goals are fiscal, the report is calendar. Kind of where I landed in my mind was that if the division report is calendar, it kind of seemed helpful to keep them on the same timeframe. But that was a judgment call that, you know, could be changed. But that's a very good point. Well, it's up to you. But I just went through our meetings and just wrote down all the topics and made sure that they were in there. And those were the two that popped out to me. And Kuna. My recommendation for this year would be to stick with the calendar since the meetings are planned or the two items are planned for the same council meetings. So then we don't kind of cross our data with council. But if in the future, if the committee is reporting on the committee goals exclusively and that's a fiscal year thing, we could kind of shift that. So maybe we could put that independently. Think about what could make sense and then we could address it kind of that next go around. And if we were to do that, we would just want to kind of change the timing of the different reports just so that we don't cross those wires at the same meeting. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. I have a thought about the way -- one thing that might be helpful as far as calendar year versus fiscal year is, for instance, if you look at page seven, the top it says on item D, the construction commenced and was completed in fall 2025. But then when you go down to item A for Mountain View, Cah ill Park was replaced in 2025. It might, you know, might be nice to put a season or a month in that before we say 2025. I don't know, just to -- maybe it's a moot point. But it might be helpful for people reading it to understand what year we're talking about. That is a really good point. And I guess the tricky -- Just a thought. The tricky part there, and I'm kind of going back and forth because the group think is really helpful. Measure A is always tied to a fiscal year because it's a funding mechanism. So that was why we went with that language. This brings up really good information. Is there a reason why we shouldn't do annual reports on a fiscal year? I think going forward that could be the option. My only recommendation would be to not have that fall in the same council meeting as the division report because then it's going to create confusion. That makes sense. Well, you can just -- when you go back to the beginning, you know, page 4, it says 2025 annual report, 2025 committee members, 2025. So this is 2025. So this is 2025. Yeah. So you could really just take out all of the in 2025 phr asing if you wanted because all of it is 2025. Yeah. You know, like all of these little -- Cahill Park -- or playground equipment at Cahill Park was replaced in 2025. Well, this whole report is 2025. So you could just say playground equipment was replaced or replaced playground equipment at Cahill Park, which would, yeah, put it in the active voice. These reports are so hard when you've looked at them a few times. It's helpful though because it's different perspectives, right? Yeah. You see the same thing over and over and you don't critically think necessarily. So I think this is really helpful in kind of thinking about the -- Well, I'm so used to the budget year, you know, June to June. Me too. You know, when we send the money. Overall, really good though. Yeah. I have a really minor note in the first paragraph here with this right here. I think it was like a rewritten sentence and the apostrophe S just got kind of -- it doesn't need to be there. Yep. But yeah, this is -- this is helpful too to see like what you were mentioning, Sheldon, like what goals got a lot of attention and what goals didn't. And it's -- yeah, I find that fascinating. What we start off the year with is not always how the end of the year. Yeah. Even with -- was it 4? Yeah. In response -- 4B. I like how this just says in response to the public comments, the committee shifted focus. I think that's a -- yeah, really honest look and a cool reflect -- yeah, appropriate reflection and kind of shows the committee's actions and yeah, thought processes. Cool. Cool. Okay. So I think we need public comment. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, not identifying public commenter. So very fun to read. Focused review of highlights of the year. I love that expression that you just said. So grateful to the committee and staff liaison and administrative staff report. And I'm glad the committee annual report has been decoupled from the Parks and Rec Division annual report. I appreciate that the committee annual reports are still being archived on the city website under this committee's webpage. So, you know, if you ever want to see what the rest of your -- you know, for the last -- since 2010, you can see all the annual reports. And it's really well organized. I'm really grateful that the city -- staff continues to -- to keep that -- that archived history. Regarding this annual report, so I have a few small edit suggestions. And I can hand this in to staff. Most of it's just capitalization, some punctuation, just for continuity. And then, let's see, for -- or I mean, I'm not sure -- I couldn't quite hear what -- what Heather said. Maybe she mentioned 1B, cities, apostrophe S. Is that what you mentioned? Okay, I could -- I picked that up. Okay. And then I noticed -- just -- oh, under 7C, I -- you might want to put where it says, provided feedback on design of D Street Linear Park exercise equipment. Maybe that would be helpful for clarification. And then, let's see, just -- like I said, I'll just -- either put periods on after everything or no periods. Sometimes there's periods, sometimes there's not. So you might want to just slightly turn that up. And then the other thing was adding -- oh, I noticed Vice Chair wasn't identified under the -- -- it wasn't last year, but it was in 2022. And so anyway, that would make it consistent with, you know , the other committees every year. And then thank you -- I always say this. Thank you for goal number -- in this case, it's going to be 10 -- regarding the Plaza Improvement Task Force, continuing to support development of Plaza programming options. I'm so grateful that there is language that's still alive about the Plaza Improvement Task Force recommendations. So thank you very much. And then -- oh, let's see. Oh, the last thing -- oh, at the very, very end where it says -- the last sentence -- we are excited about the community's upcoming projects and improving our communication with other city committees and councils. Councils, council. So what I went ahead and did was, in honor of that, I went ahead and printed for you the minutes from the chair study session with the council back in February 2026. And -- I mean, just February, just February. Anyway, you will -- it's the minutes that the council approved. And this way you can see a synopsis of what the other committees are doing. So you just keep it. But it's just kind of a nice way to honor that little blurb notification at the end. And, you know, just to -- and sometimes, like we had last month -- or two months ago, where your work was -- your purview and scope was overlapping the historic landmarks purview and scope. So this is just going to reinforce that little thing. So -- yeah, you could just pass those out. So I think there was enough for everyone. So thank you very much. Oh, and then regarding the -- I will give staff the -- my draft if you would like to do that. And then I'm going -- at the end, after the meeting's over, I wanted to just mention one more thing, too. Okay. So that's all I have. Thank you very much. Did you have enough of those? Mm-hmm. Well, great. Thank you. Thank you. So I think now we are moved on to recommendation. With those edits, moving forward, if anyone wants to make a recommendation, I don't know if I can as the -- You can totally do it. Is this just for item B or is this for both? Just for B. Just for B. You have to vote on both. We had some good discussion that might make a secret, but -- I move -- I move to recommend to approve the committee annual report with those changes. Second? I'll second it. We already have discussions. We don't have to do this question again, so I'm going to take it to a vote. All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? None. And none in state. Okay, we did it. Moving on to C. Pretty much the same preamble, I would assume, as the B, but just with the content of the division report. Yeah, so you all had a chance to review the report, so I won't go through it in depth, but I did want to point out a couple key highlights. One thing that really struck me was the amount of either new or expanded programming we offered in 2025. So as I was going through, I just jotted down what those were, and I'll run through them really quickly now, because I think taken together, it's a striking list. So we brought back our Friday Night Flicks movie at the ballpark in September of last year, paired that with the Friday Night Market. Contract classes have been really expanding over the last year. We have had a number of movement-based, like mindfulness- based classes, pickleball, chocolate-making, probably like three to five over the calendar year. So that's really expanded our community offerings. Keep doing the pickleball, there's like a lot of money coming in. Pickleball is great. Unfortunately, Rike is leaving the area. Oh no, really? What? What? Yeah. Enrique? Is he his brother? He's his brother. There's so many pickleballers. Spread the word. I was going to say, put that out, it will get scooped up. I'm sure he's got a succession plan. Yep. When you Google pickleball, our Carlson Park is ranked number one. It's the most preferred, it was nicest. In the county, or what? In the county. Yeah. I believe that. It's great to hear. Because it lists all the places and then ranks them. All right. Yes, we are. I know. Good. We also held a repair cafe as a new drop-in. Yeah, so that's done at the community center. If you've got something that's not working, there's volunteers that are there on Sundays. I think it's one or two Sundays a month. I forget exactly. You show up with your thing and you've got your tinker and hopefully it works again. And how do we feel for the call to the public? Because I've seen it in Eureka too. Uh-huh. There were a pair of cafes and there was someone who said, we need bicycle technicians. And I tried to get my boyfriend to go down, he's a big bike nerd. Oh, interesting. And so they just put it on Instagram and I saw it and I thought, oh, I don't know how to sew. Maybe I can go and amend, you know? It just made me think like more than electronics or tools. Yeah. We could probably, like if there were some specific calls, we could run that through our department as like a PSA social media post. And then Wendy Ring is the volunteer coordinator. And so that would be another, she's well connected in the community, so that would be another avenue. Yeah. That would be interesting. It's just one of those things where I never thought that I had anything to contribute to one of those and I was like, wait, I do. Yeah. It's been pretty popular. Yeah. We also hosted the first pickleball tournament for the division. The Arcata basketball crew was an after school program that we offered in the fall. Community hoop nights was another after school program we offered out in Valley West so that residents could walk there for kind of a drop in style. Bucket builders, basketball theme here, was a two week pilot summer camp that we offered last year that we'll offer again this year. Camp Carlson was our first inaugural summer camp out at Carlson Park. And then our family ceramics, we had a question about Carl son. Oh, sure. The table here on page 12 doesn't show the Carlson camp. It has all the other ones, Adventure Camp, Break Camp, Mark Camp, Bucket Camp, but Carlson Park camp. I wonder if that's because -- It might be somewhere else. We are sorry. Oh, page 12. Yes. So there's a reason for that and thank you for catching that. We'll parse that out. Whoops. I just boxed the wrong thing. So we take our revenue in for Carlson under the name of Science Camp. Oh. And so that was both at Carlson and at the Marsh. We alternated weeks. Oh. Yeah. So we would have -- but the weeks were different. So we could find that data and parse that out and have Marsh Science Camp. And you did mention the Marsh was lower enrollment, correct ? Yeah. Yeah. So they are different programs. It's just the way our revenue is coded. Oh, that's fine. So we have a good distinction. Cool. You don't need to. I just like wanted -- Yeah, that's a good touch. No, I think that's a good distinction to make. I think it would be good since the council's -- Exactly. Yeah, and being a new -- Yeah, yeah. And being a new -- Yeah, yeah. And then our family ceramics program continues to increase. We're like constantly finding -- Oh. -- more space at the community center. And I think last year -- I didn't write this down, but it's just occurring to me that -- I believe last year was when we brought back Friday Night Flips, which is our gymnastics Friday drop-in program that we have. And that has taken some time to bring back. So I think that happened in 25. I'll double check. So those are the program offerings, just new ones, not even the standard year-over-year programs. And then the other things I wanted to highlight -- Page 16 of the report, or 24 of your agenda packets, included the key accomplishments for the Parks and Fac ilities Division. And it was yet again another pretty big year of expanding our infrastructure. We added the skate park -- skate spot at Carlson Park. As well as began construction on Annie and Mary Trail, which is already seeing a lot of use. Oh, man. It's so awesome. Yeah. Pre-completion. Access to my favorite burrito track. Yeah. We developed and released the call for public art for fire hydrants. Replace playground equipment at Westwood Manor and Windsong . We completed the design for the D Street Linear Park Fitness Area. Certainly the construction occurred in 2026. And that was -- I'll just highlight that that was a creative use of funding that we had for some type of park. It was our -- our GL -- our line item for kind of parks capital improvements. And we had come in under budget on some. And so we had some extra and put a call out to our staff. Hey, what can we do with this, you know? And the D Street was a replacement of the exercise equipment is what came to mind. And because we had a little bit of budget, we were able to really beef that up. So that was just a good example of doing a lot with a little. And really just adding something, you know, above and beyond the standard work plan. We also completed construction of the Valley West Dog Park. We shifted our operation and maintenance of Bayside Park Farm to Central del Pueblo. And they completed the first successful growing season. And that's been a really great shift in kind of community management and use of the space. And it's also reduced the maintenance role that the city had previously been playing at the park. So it was kind of a win-win for the farm. In next year's annual report, will there be anything about that farm? Because it's no longer under the city, right? I think we'll still include it because it's still city- owned land. We just have a lease with Centro. Gotcha. So, yeah, we'll probably still include something and perhaps expand a little bit more based on what they do this year. We completed the ADA improvements at the Arcata Library. We completed the Arcata Ballpark Improvement Project, which as many of you know is mainly the ADA access improvements and then the new facade. We completed the neighborhood assessment, neighborhood center assessment for Valley West. We completed the area, kind of a planning effort that was grant funded through CDBG in partnership with community development. We re-roofed our D Street and our community centers and then installed solar on the community center. We did LED lighting retrofits inside of the community center. We did LED retrofits of the sports complex light down at the sports complex. We brought on a, we hired, well, completed the job description, completed the hiring process and then hired and trained our new facility's crew leader position, which was a previously vacant position that went away during the pandemic and we made the case for bringing back. And we started opening the exterior restrooms at Redwood L odge. So that is a lot to look back on a calendar year and, you know, in addition to maintaining our own spaces. I think it's a lot to look back on a calendar year and we 're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. I looked at the table D is the revenue totals across the full parks and rec and facilities division. I did a little bit of back of the napkin math and in 2022 our revenue was $472,670. In 2025 that increased 31% to $618,647. So that's quite a large increase. And then the thought that I had was, well, that increase isn't necessarily reflective of capacity increase because we do some program fee increases and then CPI increases for our master fee schedule. Again, back of the napkin, I estimated conservatively CPI of 3% per year, which is pretty -- it's high. It's higher than it usually is. And I know we haven't increased our program fees at least for a couple of years for many of our recreation programs. So taking that bottom line and applying a 3% increase per year compounding is a really conservative way of trying to adjust for those price increases. And doing that math, that initial $472,000 and change with that annual compounding increase would bring it to $516,000 of today's dollars, which is still $100,000 less than the $618,000 we brought in. So kind of adjusting for those incremental increases and then looking at, you know, that hard number increase, we're still bringing in about $100,000 more in revenue, you know, all things being normalized in a conservative way, which to me shows that we really are expanding our building usage, our program offerings, et cetera, et cetera. So that is a positive. The negative is that our costs are also increasing. Yeah. The one thing we're missing are the expense lines. Yeah. And, you know, we have all of our programs run when just factoring in part-time staff. They run in a positive cash flow, for lack of a better term . Like we come out in the black. So we don't lose revenue on our recreation programs, however, or our facility rentals. However, the costs that are not included in that math, in that, you know, cost expense and income math, is the overall cost to maintain our buildings, to maintain our parks, to employ our full-time staff to support all of that. So from the part-time staff level, we're doing great. They don't, you know, utility costs go up and up every year . So I don't want to paint the picture that we are, got $100, 000 to play with it because we brought in more revenue. Really the point is that we're doing a really good job of continuing to expand our programs and our services, and we are still helping to offset the outpaced expenses of kind of our overall building. And if that is like a one sentence that you could add in underneath this sentence, right? Yeah. Just a single sentence that says we had a 31 -- We're doing good. We have had this increase in revenue, and so we have been able to meet all of the increased expenses. Just something small to show that you guys are staying within. Yeah. Yeah. And I think when -- so this kind of gets back to the point that I made before of decoupling the committee versus the staff report -- is this -- I'll come up with a more brief way of making that same point for the council, but that's a point that I 'll be able to have a slide about and speak to for the council so that that is really landing. Yeah. And I would just keep it general in the report and not all your math, right? Totally. Right? Just a general sentence because then you can verbalize those extra points. Yeah. But this was the page I loved the most because I loved being able to look over multiple years, and so I don't remember if that's been in previous ones, but just don't take it out. Yeah. I think it just is a really good -- you should be able to move the years down, add the new year, and -- Yeah. Yeah. One other point I'll make just to maybe not totally draw attention to, but the revenue and the money, that math is not subject to interpretation. One thing that might be like, "Huh, that seems odd," is that our facility reservation hours are quite different between 25 and 24 in that they appear to have gone down quite a bit. Yeah. I think the reason for that, without getting too far into the weeds, is our reservation system is really -- does not give us the apples-to-apples data that we use in the report . So one example is the community center could be booked, and you're like, "Okay, great. Community center's booked." A user might have rented just the gym, and we have that data. A user might have rented the multipurpose room, because it 's a big event, and they want multiple spaces, or another room. It's the same user. Three rooms are rented. How are you calc-ing out those hours? And so there have been different staff in the last few years who have led those sections of the annual report, and I think that the staff that led it in two years did it a different way. And now we have new staff. So we're still trying to work through how to kind of normal ize and adjust, because there is a little bit of interpretation. And that's one little example. It's like, "Well, of course. Just do it. You know, count it this way." But when you have that type of thing for so many different facilities, it can get a little tricky. Another good example is city hall operating hours is 2,000 thereabouts. It's the same every year. Well, actually, it'll be different now that we have Friday afternoons closed early. But my point is, is that would be normalized data. I think there have been years where that got wrapped into the total building hours and years where it wasn't because city hall is not really a publicly rentable space. And that's a 2,000-hour swing right there. So I'm really hoping that now that we have more staff experience within the division who have used this data and engaged with it, we can kind of consistify the approach. And now we have a new staff person and the new staff person pulled the data for 2025. So that again, it's different than the 2024. But now that person should hopefully be our same staff person next year. And so we'll see that shake out in 2026. So I'm getting into the weeds. I'm not going to get into those weeds of the council presentation. But I know that you all look at the report really closely and that might be like, "Wait, our revenue is way up, but our hours are way down. Like how does that pencil?" And the reason is I think it's just some weird data analysis. So is there any way to create more solar panels like the D Street? I'm so glad you asked. We had an assessment of RCEA staff today actually investigating the feasibility of a solar panel. We'll see. There's some funding opportunities, low interest loans, or it sounds like there could be some other funding coming through. NREN is the program that RCEA is taking on the administration of that is funded by the California Energy Commission. And it basically takes rate payer dollars that are statewide and specifically prioritizes the rural areas because all the repairs are paying equally and the rural areas are getting negatively disproportionately impacted by they're not getting the same benefit that they're paying into. Long story short, there could be some additional funding that's more like grant type and less loan type for Solar D Street and no more. So when I was on vacation in Washington there was a park and I'll use like our ballpark, there's that path that goes along the soccer fields between the apartments and the soccer fields. There was a path like that and they had it covered but it was covered with solar panels. It was like a walking path but that's where they put their solar panels. Yeah, you know, that's a good point. Well and then they had, and some of their parking lots were covered because it gets hot with solar panels. We had our CEA analyze for the community center the both rooftop and ground mount solar, the parking lot solar basically. And at that time it was like 2019. So it's been a while but at that time the ground mount solar didn't pencil to be as cost effective. Like the, it just didn't, didn't make financial sense. We have to create the structure. Exactly. I have heard anecdotally that technology has kind of evolved and so it might not be as costly for the ground mount. So that's a good point that we could kind of consider. Because it would be kind of hidden but I don't know how it gets the sun and all that. But in general. Especially for parking lots. I would say no to that. Because you can, police can see the parking lot driving up 7th street and look right in and see a shenanigans happening in there. Yeah, I wouldn't want to see it on the parking lot but I was thinking that path, you know, something like, it's kind of hidden. But it's along the apartments. I have a question about the revenue again. I'm sorry. No, that's right. Yeah. So you said 2020, you were comparing 2022 and 2025? Yes. Why not 2023 and 24? I just did, I could have. I just did based out of 22 and then the increase since then . Since it's consistently gone up every year. So I was like, okay, well. Gotcha. That's the first number on the page and the last number on the page. I could totally do that incremental. Well, just because like in the private industry, like if you're looking for capital improvement loans or something like that, they still don't look at 2022 because they're still considering that coming, at least in the public facing coming out with the pandemic. So they won't even look at your numbers until 2023. Okay. Comparing like sales or ticket numbers at restaurants or things like that. Interesting. Yeah. Just, I don't know. So I just don't know if you want to use 2022 as a baseline. That's good thinking. Public employees may not think about that or even care. Yeah. But. Or even year over year, you know, like. Year over year is great. Yeah. So it's not enough to just add. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like normalized for CPI. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the facility rentals didn't increase either during that time? It was just the 3%? So the 3% is actually reflective of the, what would it be? Non-resident fees, field and court revenue, facilities, and special events. Oh, it is all of that. Those are all the things on our master fee schedule. And so they just kind of get automatically adjusted more or less. Yeah. Whereas our program and event revenue, our grants and donations, film permits and vending, those are, those fees are set at the department level and we don't usually adjust for CPI. We usually kind of stay below that level because we really want to keep things affordable. It'll be interesting to see if there's a big swing at all this year with just the cost of gas or just, you know, are people going to stay local and do more local programming? Are they going to, you know? Mm-hmm. It'll just be interesting. That's why I love those comparative. Yeah. I do too. I have two small questions. For the Bayside Community Park Garden net revenue and revenue that's the same. It says 3,575. And then on page, this is on the very top page four of our, or page 12 of our packet, but page four of the report. The very, very first item. And then on page seven of our report, page 15 of our packet , it says that, I was just curious. It says there's 36 garden plots and they're, they were all rented. And so I think that number would have been higher, like 3, 600 instead of 3,500. Unless there's some weird math with some comp or if there are discounts or whatever, like multiple. So that was a small question I had. Yeah. There, so we don't have discounts, but actually I think I remember this one in particular. They're in, on occasion, we will have a garden plot vacate and we have a wait list. And so then it's generally like one in, one out. But there can be like a lag of a few days. And so if it's not the full month, if we don't have that exact month, yeah, we can prorate them a few days. Nice. Nice. But that would be the discrepancy, yeah. And then on page 13, I just wasn't understanding the second table. It says overview of resident use ratio. Resident, my question was resident use of what? Was that of the facilities that it follows or something else? That is a good question. It would be for programs. So if a person wants to enroll, let's say a child is enrolled in summer camp, but they live in Eureka, they pay a non-resident fee. Right. So it's associated with our rec programs, not buildings. So I guess it would be. Okay. Overview of resident use of programs. Programs. Program resident use. There we go. Program. Gotcha. Yeah. Thanks for, thanks for catching that. I just thought I wasn't understanding. I had one last thing and then a comment on the challenge course. So this is page 15 of our packet, but seven in the report. It was neat to see that in there. I never, ever hear about it. And that is reflected in the review. But I just had an idea. Like, you know how Arcata or Eureka has get out and play days. Does Arcata do that? And if not, would we ever consider that? And if we would consider it, maybe that would be something to do. Like a time to get out and play, do the challenge course. Or other Arcata parks things. Yeah, because that's like a big marketing coordinated use day. Yeah. I'm looking at that. I'm not familiar, which feels wild to say I'm not familiar. Because it sounds like a big thing. Yeah, it's a big marketing just of all of their programming . Like, get out to the parks. Or the kayaking stuff at the Doherty Center. Yeah. Cool. Okay, that was a very thorough reveal. Yeah, thanks for all the feedback, everyone. Well, I'm impressed and I'm also glad, sorry Sheldon, that we don't have to report on that to the council. I never did. That was the issue. Exactly. So I think we are to public comment. Look what I didn't forget. Yeah. That's beautifully presented. Cool. So then I think we're moving on to recommending that Emily with those edits. I'll make the recommendation. I recommend to move forward with the division report with the feedback provided. Second. All right. All those in favor, say, aye. Aye. Aye. I'm staying. We did it. Now we have more new stuff for you to tell us about. Yes. So for staff reports, I will keep it brief. There are only a few things. We're, like I said, we're in maintenance mode right now. Our summer camp, we are wrapping up our hiring. Camp starts-- gosh, I shouldn't have that date offhand. It's about the third week of June, not Monday, leading into the Juneteenth holiday. We have started a women's basketball drop-in program that has been really successful. And that was actually in partnership with some of Heather's background research and kind of assessing community need. So that's been really great to see get off the ground. And I will also say that Evan Stork, our recreation supervisor, has been overseeing all of the drop-in programming. And he's been putting a lot of time and energy into trying to build it out more and more. So you might see-- you will see continued expanded offerings and just really trying to think through what we can do with the community center space that we have. So certainly welcome thoughts and feedback. I would say if you've got like a drop-in vision, shoot me an email, and then I can connect you with Evan and we can kind of go from there. We are also starting to implement the fire hydrants in Sunnybrae public art. I will say that we have put in the work order request to ensure they all have blue reflectors and the red curb is there and visible. So we've definitely moved forward. And yeah, thanks for that feedback and maintaining safety. And then the last update is the last committee meeting in March. I presented an Art Around Town application for the ballpark facade mural or back of the press box. At that time, we wanted to move forward with the process and getting that approval so that we could kind of get our decks in a row and have that painted before the season if possible. Unfortunately, at that time, we were also still seeking cost estimates for the kind of infrastructure that needed to happen for both putting the wood as well as moving the electrical and exit sign that needed to be moved. And that cost estimate came in at $11,000. We didn't have that in this fiscal year's budget nor, you know, yeah. That was not allocated in this fiscal year's budget. And it is not likely to be included in council's next fiscal year budget. We are heading into some really challenging budget times next fiscal year. Council had a study session on that just a few hours ago. And so we're to come there. The good news is I actually don't expect any substantial cuts to existing parks, facilities, programs, maintenance was prioritized, keeping our same level of programming, same level of staffing. So really, we're in a really good place. But we are not in a place to have those extra projects that , you know, in the couple years past we've had. So there's going to be a little bit of a felt impact there. It might be worth letting the crabs know. That is a good point. If they're able to fundraise or they have people who are interested in seeing that work complete. They get an extra finding. Is that not too much for them to fundraise? Yeah, that's a good point. And we're also working with the artists on doing some fundraising too. So we're hoping that it still happens. It's not going to happen before the season. Yeah. But we're also not, we do not have the funds to spend from the city's budget. And we're working to kind of see if we can find other funds . Those are our conversations. Yeah. Like if they have money, we're all for it. Yeah. Yeah. So those are all of my staff report updates. Short and sweet tonight. Can I give a report on something? And this also is going to lead into future agenda items. And maybe I don't have to say it twice. The Porta Potty at Larson Park is destroyed. It needs, it needs something. And so A, I just wanted to let you know that. And B, for a future agenda item, what is our relationship with who we are? Whoever maintains that Porta Potty, what are our expectations? Because I feel like there are times that it's maintained really well. And there are times that it is just ignored. Forgotten. Yeah. So I'm wondering if we could just get an update on that. And it's a well, well used Porta Potty. Is it being more used now because of the trail? I was wondering what the same thing is. It is like a revolving door of people using it, including postal workers, FedEx, UPS, utility workers. Well, I went to see if the trail was done. And it looked like somebody walking to campus stopped there . People walking to campus. Yeah. I know people from the skate park are going there. Right. Instead of just doing it right there. And it might be something, I know we just talked about not having money, but it's, it's strange that we have a plaza one, a Carlson Park one, but at one of the most popular parks we just have like a really gross Porta Potty. And I don't know if they just make nicer Porta Potties or what. They do need nicer. I know. It's just, it's, no one wants to use it anymore. Bummer. Thank you. Yeah, I'll, um. That's a good problem to have because it means there's not a use. Yeah. In the parks. Oh, that park as well. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for that feedback. I'll bring that back. I want to get more info on that. Yeah, that's why I just, maybe a future agenda item like what is. Yeah. What's the scheme? Yeah. What's the cost? How often? Is it random? Is it not? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Could we increase? Yeah, absolutely. I think more than how we do. I just had a couple of things. One is more just educational for me as we were talking about the Ennis Park and the tent. It made me think about the grassy area where the Oyster Fest was held that one year in the Creamery District. Is that city property or private? Okay. I just couldn't remember. So thank you. Thank you. I was going to ask how bathrooms are going at Redwood Park at the open and close. So far so good. That's what I like to hear. What about Carson? Carson, actually, we just got some feedback recently. I think it's getting some mixed use. Yeah. I haven't gotten feedback from our maintenance staff on challenges, but we've gotten some community feedback, not on the cleanliness, but on the goings on. That was actually today that I got some feedback. So I'm going to look into it and kind of see what options we might have for regulating that. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. I think it's going to be a little bit more. 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And then as we're going into this new, as the budget continues to look bleaker than it did in mid-year, we've pulled back on that. However, it is looking like that will be scaled back, not moved to $100,000 for next fiscal year instead of mid-year. So I am really hopeful that we will have the resources to take that holistic view of maintenance citywide. So we've really been, we have had really great staff in identifying needs, but not necessarily like the netting installed in 2007. It's a completely different staff team than we have now. And that wouldn't necessarily have been added to like an O& M schedule for the ballpark. And so we've had good institutional knowledge and good practices. And it's also those bigger capital costs like, oh, we're going to need a new roof next year. It would be great to say, oh, we're going to need a new roof in five years so we can start budgeting now instead of having a one-time cost, you know, impact the budget more substantially that year or year before. So I am very excited about just getting that, the professional resources to try to take that big picture look . Because we just don't have the staff time to do it in-house . Well, you can add to your list that on the community center , the fascia board needs to be power washed. It looks really bad. It does. Thank you. Then send it to my house now. I know. Okay. So, did we talk about new drop in offerings? Yeah. Okay. So for future, we have public art opportunities, mountain view, park planning, and Sheldon, yours was? Bathrooms. Bathrooms. Thank you. Bathrooms and parking. It's always something. Are the students still parking yet? Yeah. I mean, they have been done with class for the last kind of two weeks. Yeah. I haven't noticed it. It's just, the people park there for everything. In the neighborhood. Yeah. It's just parked. I just don't expect to get a parking spot. City parks. People are parking there now? I mean, you have to. Citywide. Bathrooms and parking. Yeah. Okay. Well, is there any other topics from the table? Okay. I think we're groovy then. Our next meeting will be July 8th. And I think we are adjourned at 7:18. Good job, everybody. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, all. Thank you. Thanks, all. Thanks, all. Thanks, all. How do I start to get a seat? How do I start to get a seat? How do I start to get a seat? How do I start to get a seat? How do I start to get a seat? How do I start to get a seat? How do I start to get a seat? How do I start to get a seat? How do I start to get a seat? How do I start to get a seat? How do I start to get a seat? I'm going to get a seat. I'm going to get a seat. I'm going to get a seat. I'm going to get a seat. I'm going to get a seat. I'm going to get a seat. 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