Cape Coral, Florida

Welcome to the meeting of Planning and Zoning Commission. Today's date is Wednesday, July 4th. It is 9 a.m. and this meeting will now come to order. We'll now have a moment of silence. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, three hundred and not, indisible, with liberty and justice for all. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Apking? Here. Botana? Here. Estes? Here. Martin? Here. Moore? Senator? Here. And members Severson, Lemieux, and Schwartz have asked to be excused and I have marked them so. So we have, Mr. Moore just arrived, so we have six present. Okay, thank you. Next item is item five, changes to the agenda and adoption of agenda. Are there any changes to the agenda? Seeing none, ask for an approval of agenda as stated. I move. Second? Second. Here. Second. Okay. All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? No. Agenda is adopted. Excuse me, Chair. Excuse me, who made the motion? Mr. Senator. Mr. Senator. Thank you. Okay, item number six is approval of minutes. Copy the June 3rd, 2026 meeting minutes were included for review in your backup material. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, can I have a motion to approve the June 3rd, 2026 meeting minutes as presented? So moved, Estes? Second. Second. Senator Torrey? All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? None. Okay, motion passes. Okay, next item seven, business. There is nothing under this category today. Next item is item eight, planning and zoning commission public hearings. The first item is item 8A, ordinance 3926. I'll now turn the floor over to staff. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. For the record, my name is Wyatt Daltrey. I'm a planning team coordinator with the city's planning division, and my credentials may be obtained at the city clerk's office. Today, we have a land use amendment before you today. Single family to multifamily. This is a privately initiated application. It's a feature land use amendment involving 6,250 square feet. Property address is 1526 Northeast 13th Avenue. I mentioned before, single family to multifamily residential. The site is located in northeastern Cape Coral, west of Del Prado Boulevard, and south of, what's like, Tropicana Parkway. This is an aerial of the subject property. As you can see, it's a small site, smaller than the standard 10,000 square foot properties that are prevalent within Cape Coral. Surrounding area has a scattering of multifamily, mainly duplex, and single family structures nearby. These two map series show the current future land use on the left and the proposed future land use on the right. As you can see, the subject property indicated in yellow here. Yellow is a single family residential. Brown is multifamily residential. Further away from the property, there's some commercial and provincial properties in red. As you can see, the proposal will be changing from single family to multifamily. So you're seeing a small change of multifamily heading south down northeast 13th Avenue. Some background history for you. The property is undeveloped. The property owner wishes to combine the subject property with undeveloped and multifamily property to the north. The idea being that if this was to be accomplished, the site would be assembled together to be a standard two-lot, actually slightly larger than two-lot property, to then be developed with multifamily, probably a duplex with that size. While it's rare that single lots like this exist in this form, I looked into the background, and it looks like it has been this single lot since at least the year 2000. So this was not like a recent split, and now someone's trying to assemble the property. It's just we're just at a point today where someone wishes to assemble. As part of the analysis for this amendment, staff, myself, looked at Section 3.5.2C, Land Development Code, which consists of six review criteria. Of these six criteria, proposed amendment fully meets five of the six criteria, and I go into that in detail in the case report, while the sixth is a criteria that involves factors open to consideration by the city council. For comp plan analysis, we reviewed this particularly through Policy 1.7 of the Future Land Use Element. This is multifamily residential siting guidance. We find the amendment to be consistent with a comprehensive plan. To conclude, the proposed amendment seeks to assign a future land use map classification to multifamily residential, which, as you saw on the map series, it's adjacent to the property to the north. Proposed amendment is supported by the Land Development Code and comprehensive plan analysis. Staff recommends approval. Prior to this hearing, we have received one letter of correspondence from the public. That letter was objecting to the proposal. I will stand by for any questions. Thank you. Public hearing is now open. If there are any members of the public wishing to speak, please use the podium near the entry doors. Please print your name on the sign-in sheet. Be sure to state your name for the record. Good morning, everybody. Wow. Good morning, everyone. My name is Jay Murphy. I'm diagonally across from this proposed site. I live at 1310 Northeast 15th Land. I've lived there for 15 years. I am vehemently opposed to this. Has the city done... Question. Has the city done a traffic impact study on this site? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? The school buses come off Diplomat Parkway and turn right there and empty all their kids right at this site that you proposed. The city has put in two hurricane-ready benches for the moms to hang out while they wait for the kids to get off the buses. This also includes some cars and trucks and all kinds of things to do pickups for the kids. This is going to be in front or adjacent to this proposed multifamily fourplex right there. It's insane. It's really insane. Typically, rental units, in my experience, walking my dog through my neighborhood, I do it a couple of times a day. The people that live in rentals do not take care of their property as well as single-family homeowners. We all know this to be a fact. And this is something to be considered. Please. Use your heads. Please. Typically, what I have found is the moms in these units will put the kids to bed and all that sort of stuff. Dad's got nowhere to go, so they throw open the garage door, car table, couple of chairs, and their buddies go in there. And it's an open-air man cave. And that's okay for the side street for 15th lane. No problem at all. The people are nice. They don't give me any trouble. It's kind of creepy because they stop talking as I walk by and stuff. But that's something else. What I'm getting at is if you apply the same thing to out front with a four unit, you're just going to make it look like a ghetto. This is not right for Cape Coral's overall character. Not in the least. Instead, I have a solution for you. Simple, simple solution. Turn the corner. Go down 30 or 40 yards. And you'll start to see multifamily homes. Two, what do they call them? Duplex. Thank you, sir. And plenty of room on both sides of the street. There's no reason to put this up front for the trafficking people to go by and go. Okay. Yep. Appreciate it. Put them down on that side street and it's on the side on the line. Okay. And it's a simple thing to do. Thank you. You've had three minutes, sir. Your three minutes are up. You can't hear. Your time's up. Your time's up, sir. Your time is up, sir. Your time's up. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Please. Is there anyone watching? Okay. Thank you. Go ahead. Good morning. Good morning. My name is Stephanie Otar-Guyder. And I am the owner of both pieces of properties. I'm straight. One portion is single family and one portion is multifamily. There are multiple duplexes already existing in the area. You cannot build on either pieces of these properties. So it has to be one or the other. We already have two water meters on each side of the property. So it's already set up for a duplex. So I am appealing for an approval. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anything else wishing to speak? Yes. Good morning. Good morning. John Stephen Guyder. As proposed for this change, the spoken about property here that this gentleman, I believe, is talking about is on the northwest corner of the adjacent area. Excuse me for I don't know the exact property location. If you were to pull the map up, you would see that this property is two properties south, I believe, of where he's speaking of. So for the fact of quad that he's referring to, the fact of additional traffic in the area, school zones, this property sits well south of that. It would impose no danger. It would bring upon no additional traffic. It's simply the fact my wife obtained one portion of the property back approximately 2021, I believe, without the knowing it was only half a lot. So then the other lot became available. We purchased this lot, so now we have both. But we cannot build any. We cannot put a single family or a duplex upon it because it's a split zoned area. Single family to the south, multifamily to the north. So there are two water meters now with the utility project that just came in. There's two meters there. So the ideal option would be join them back together, which it was done back in the 90s, and then for some reason the family that owned the property, they split it for some reason. It was approved through the city council approximately 2001, I believe. So we would like to bring it back together. We would like to rezone it so its both purpose is multifamily. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Is there anyone else wishing to speak? Seeing none, public input is now closed. Go ahead and answer. Good morning again. I just wanted to address what was brought up earlier, and I'm bringing up a map now to try and help illustrate the situation. There was a question about whether or not a traffic study was obtained for this amendment. We only require traffic studies when the potential change would generate a certain number of units. I believe it's 200 peak hour trips. As the site is just over 6,000 square feet, it falls well below that threshold. Nevertheless, we did perform a general trip study amending and changing this property from single family to multifamily. Because the idea being that this would probably end up resulting in a duplex would result in one additional PM peak hour trip. So it's a fairly de minimis change. The reason why I brought up the map here is really to illustrate what was just being brought up. We have a situation where the applicant owns basically two halves of what is generally reviewed as a buildable parcel in Cape Coral. Not only does each half of what the applicant owns have different land use classifications, but on their own they are too small to build upon. So assemblage is obviously their goal, and again to amend that to multifamily. So I just want to provide that as clarification. Thank you. Now open the floor to Commissioner discussion time. Commissioner Estes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. A question for staff. If the lots are combined and the zoning was changed to the multifamily, what is the maximum density that could then be built on what is now two lots to be one lot? To do the math real fast. Is it a duplex or is it a fourplex as it was suggested? Let's see. At 10,000 square feet, we permit, assuming it is rezoned to RML. Looking at that, I think we're just around four units. So it is possible that a quadplex could be built. You would probably need utilities there, which I understand utilities are coming into the area because you don't want a really large drainage field for septic. Yeah, that is possible. It is within the realm of possibility that a quad could be built on that site. Okay. Thank you. But right now, both lots are unbuildable. Both lots are unbuildable because due to their size. Correct. Thank you. Any other comments? I just have one question. Oh, I'm sorry. Commissioner Santori. Okay. Okay. Okay. I was looking up lot 1528, and it's owned by a different entity called Seabreeze Land, but yet the applicant had mentioned that they own both lots. Can you confirm that? I would defer to the applicant to respond to that question. Okay. All right. So- Yeah, we would need you to speak. That's okay. I heard. So they got it a few days ago. Okay. Just recently done. Was there any kind of impact study done to see the effect on the police department? That is in our case report. Proposed development is expected to generate low impact, generating approximately 1% to 2% more calls for service. Okay. What about fire department? Properties served by fire station 5. Proposed development is expected to generate minimal impact, fewer than 15 calls annually. Okay. And you said that they can go up to 4%. 4 units. That was one of my questions that was answered. All right. Thank you. Any other comments? I just have one question for the owners. Are you waiting for utilities to be installed before you would be building on this property? Yes, I'm funding. Well, the water and sewer. Correct. Okay. Okay. The utilities are in the water meter. You need to get on the mic so we can hear you. Okay. I apologize. Again, John, Stephen Geiter. To answer your question, sir, the utilities are already installed. There's two water meters sitting there. There's two irrigation meters. There's a fire hydrant to the house to the south. The road is repaved and completed, if I'm not mistaken. Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to double check. Just looking at that. Okay. No other comments from the commissioners? Can I have a motion to recommend approval of ordinance 3926? Can I have a motion or no motions? I'll make a motion that we deny the application. We have to go through the first one first. Okay. So no motions? No motions? No. Okay. Go ahead. Can I make a motion that we deny the application ordinance 3926? Okay. In a second? I'll second. Okay. You have a second? Would you take the roll, please? I have a question. If we could have a quick discussion. I'm pretty neutral on this. I'm sympathetic to the property owner. They have two properties. They're not buildable. So what happens to them unless they get rezoned? I don't see an option for them here. I'm sympathetic that four units there is probably excessive, even though theoretically they could do that. I did visit the site on Monday, and everything to the north along, and I'm not sure which street that is. I'm sure it's something. Anyway, the one south of, the one that's on the corner, they're all duplexes. And it seems to be to fit in the neighborhood. I'm kind of curious where the rest of the commission is on this, on why we are going to deny it. So I'd just kind of like to get some discussion from the other commissioners. I mean, I can go either way on this, but I'm very sympathetic to the property owners, is they would have unbuildable properties. Okay. Just throw that out there. Thank you. Is there any other comments from any other commissioners on this, based on what Commissioner Estes has put forth? Go ahead. Okay, just to answer your question, it is buildable. If it's merged, they can also go with single-family home, but they need to merge both lots together. So as an individual lot, they can't do something. But since they own both lots, they can go the other way. They can put a single-family home there. So a question to staff, if I could, Mr. Chairman, if they wanted to, could they put a single-family home straddled on both of the lots without the zone change or without the land-use change? We would need a land-use amendment to single-family for the half of the site that is multifamily today. I'm sorry, we would what? There's a change. So as it stands, we have one lot that is multifamily and one lot that is single-family. The Appleton's looking to make both multifamily. If we were to look at the other way, the same thing would need to happen, but to single-family. So a land-use amendment would be required one way or the other. So they're going to have to do a zoning change one way or the other? Correct. What they have right now is not buildable? Correct. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Martin. Thank you. Quick question. The piece that is zoned multifamily-wide, is that RM1 or RM2? I believe it's RML. Yeah, it's the standard multifamily residential zoning district that we have. Okay. So if it's a 10,000 square foot, once you combine the two, I don't see how that would support a four-plex. I can see a duplex. But... Density is 16 units. So as a math equation, I think you get there. It's close. And the thing is, it's tight, and that's generally why you don't see four-plexes on 10,000 square feet, is between parking and everything else, your setbacks, it doesn't really happen. But from a mathematical... You know... Gotcha. Thank you. That gets you there. What? Go ahead, Commissioner. So you're mentioning 10,000 square feet. I thought it was 11,250 square feet. Let's see here. Thank you. That is, yes, that is correct because the existing site is $62.50. The site that's multifamily is $5,000. That comes out to $11,250, which still gets you to a quarter of an acre, pretty much bang on a quarter of an acre right there. Yeah, so that gets you your four units, which still, it's tight on that sort of site. Any other comments? Well, why don't we ask the owner, could you get up there and tell us what your intent is, please, as far as a duplex or a quadplex? Just right there is fine. Thank you. Again, John, Stephen, Geider. Our original and our future is to duplex only. I was not aware that the property would even support a quad. I do see that, again, to the north, two properties to the north on the northwest side, there was a proposed quad coming in. I do not think that was fully approved. The sign is there. They cleared the land. But I believe that was maybe funding. It was rejected. So as for your answer for this property, the original plan is only duplex. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. Okay. No other comments from the commission? Let's rewind this back to the beginning. Can I have a motion to recommend? Go ahead. Okay. Let's deal with that first with the denial. Motion to deny. Could you take the roll, please? Yes. Mr. Senator had moved and Mr. Botana made the second. I'll call roll now. Apking? Nay. Botana? Nay. Estes? Nay. Martin? Nay. Moore? Nay. Senator? Yes. We have five nays. One yes. Motion fails. Okay. Now let's go back. Can I have a motion for approval of the ordinance? Second? I'll second. Estes? Okay. Take the roll again, please, madam. Yes. So motion to approve. It's going to be Apking? Yay. Botana? Yay. I'm sorry, sir. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Estes? Aye. Martin? Aye. Moore? Senator? Yay. Thank you. Four ayes, two nays. Motion carries. Thank you very much. Next item is item 8B, ordinance 2026, and I'll turn the floor over to staff. Good morning, commissioners. For the record, Amy Earsley with the city planning division. My credentials can be obtained at the city clerk's office. The item before you, ordinance 2026, is being brought forward to you by city management. The ordinance codifies a procedural change from a hearing examiner to a special magistrate for quasi-judicial decisions. The change is precipitated by a desire for consistency and redundancies in our systems, as well as flexibility. The city currently has four special magistrates on retainer. This will allow us to utilize them on a more frequent basis and ensure compliance with statutory timelines. In addition to this change, which is a lot of strike-through and underline from hearing examiner to special magistrate, there are two other procedural changes made. One, that decisions made from the special magistrate will go directly to circuit court. And then the second was that we would match the deadline for materials. Currently, under the current procedure, the hearing examiner receives materials from the applicant three days prior to the hearing. Well, city staff has to have theirs five days prior. We've matched those together, so both the applicant and the city staff will have a five-day deadline to get it to the special magistrate. So that's the items before you. Thank you. Thank you. Along with, is there any citizens' input? It's now open. Anyone wishing for input to die us to the door? Seeing none, citizens' input is now closed. I'll now open it up to the commissioners. Commissioner Estes. Thank you. A question for staff. Approximately how many of these hearings do we have per year? Well, we have typically anywhere from 10 to 12. It's one per month, with the exception of if we don't have a lot going on, then, or there's a vacation from, you know, where our hearing examiner is out of town, then we kind of move it around. For the commission, for something for us to think about, I'm not supportive of the staff recommendation, but I'm not supportive of the staff. I'm not supportive of the staff. 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I'm not supportive of the staff. with a tribunal of three members of the planning commission and at the same time have the city attorney prepare and provide a session or class on due process my thinking is members of this commission meeting as a three-member panel could serve the purpose of this if I were a member of the community and I had an issue and I wanted to have a hearing frankly I would rather have three citizens as my appellate body rather than a administrative law judge essentially hired by the city who comes in and makes a hearing so prepared to make a motion to that effect but I'd like to hear what other commissioners think about it mr. centauri so we're looking at different between a hearing examiner and special magistrate how many hearing examiners do we currently have now we currently have one and the hearing examiner tendered her resignation yesterday and they resigned yesterday yes correct do we know what they were getting paid uh I do not off the top of my head I do not have the contract handy 250 an hour 250 an hour okay so we have right now four special magistrates on retainer that's my understanding that's handled by the attorney's office so right right now according to the sheets that were handed they only have one two three three things that they could potentially do no those underlined so basically we're not using them right now the special magistrates yeah no we are they right now the special magistrates do code compliance they do appeals uh for administrative decisions that are done by the director of community development or development services excuse me and I believe they do the red zone cameras okay and I was looking over item 2.2.1 c and it says that the special magistrate shall be subject to removal with or without cause at any time during their term in the sole discretion of the city who's that 2.2 points chapter 2 it's item c second page last sentence the city council does a that can be removed with or without cause at any time during their term by the city council we take city council action okay but that's not what the sentence says the sentence says by the city so that means the attorney mayor anybody okay if i can clarify yeah i know that phrase is intentional so action by the city requires a affirmative vote of the majority of the city council unless they delegate that power to someone else such as a city manager then the city manager would be the city in that position if you put city council in there then it's going to require five votes on a wednesday and weeks to get there okay thank you for clearing that up i'm going to keep going do we know what their term is because the next sentence says they shall serve a term set forth in their contracts a year five years if you look at d 2.2.2 point d each special magistrate shall serve for a term of one year though special magistrates may be reappointed for consecutive one-year terms you have a different handout than i do that's okay one year great all right one more and it goes to the next one e and it may be different as well it says that it authorized the city council they may reach oh if authorized by the city council they may receive compensation for their services and may be reimbursed for travel mileage per diem expenses as may be authorized by the city are they not in cape coral they are not no okay all right thank you any more comments from the commissioners none seeing none i'll entertain a motion to approve ordinance 20-26 second so i see wait a minute commissioner estes i was going to move to deny but if somebody wants to that's what we're yeah our way through this okay um seeing none uh i'll entertain a motion to deny i move to deny staff recommendation and recommend to council that they consider appointing a three member or creating a three member panel made up of planning and zoning commissioners including alternates that would give us three different panels and that the city attorney will conduct a workshop or class on procedural due process to educate the panel members on as to hearing procedures may i interject yeah because i was just going to say i don't think we can do that we can just deny i i i would also caution you so i i know um you know florida laws is a little intricate especially when when it comes to this public so there is a concept of dual office holding that you are constitutionally prohibited from right so as far as creating the separate office which currently is in the hearing examiner with separate approval powers versus your powers of recommendation that may pose a conflict um but i think really the the order of the day is to to really get a vote on the proposal so i'll amend my motion to deny deny yeah okay you have a second madam city clerk please call the roll motion to deny and apking yes botana yes estes aye martin moore yes senator aye all eyes motion carries thank you mr chairman i am certainly not an expert on florida law but i do recall seeing something in our paperwork where the planning commission did serve as or in a role in this appeal process i would like to have in the um the minutes at least a um a thought that this might be something the council would consider about allowing citizens to serve a role in this capacity rather than higher attorneys that come in i know as a constituent i would much rather have a appeal panel made up of citizens who were trained um three being better than one go ahead i would just note that these are quasi judicial hearings the modern governments have all switched to a attorney hearing examiner there are fundamental due process there are hearsay rulings that are required that are just simply um not suitable for um individuals that are not professionally trained um and i would suggest a you know a half day or a full day training seminar on the intricacies of constitutional law um probably wouldn't get us there thank you i'll also interject very quickly um to give some history because i don't know if everyone's familiar with the history of how we became we became went to a hearing examiner we had a board of zoning adjustment appeals they were appointed by the city council the city went through a audit that was of our development services department at that time department of community development and it was strongly recommended and one of the top recommendations of the consultant and the auditor that we move away from a board of zoning adjustment appeals to a hearing examiner as mr city attorney alluded to uh because of the quasi-judicial nature of these hearings uh thank you okay moving along uh citizens input time and i'll open the floor for citizens input any members of the audience wishing to speak please use the podium to the right facing the dais state your name for the record uh maximum 30 minutes with three minutes per speaker seeing none all the input is now closed there any uh staff updates updates from the staff that's uh no updates of yet um we will be reaching out to you all uh we're starting a visioning process for the academic village site as well as the 318 on burnt store uh that we own and as part of that we'll be doing some community charrettes uh where we have designers come in and kind of think of concepts there so uh watch for an invitation in your inbox for that okay thank you next item is item 11 unfinished business seeing none next item is member comments any comments from the commissioners seeing none item 13 date and time of next meeting the next regular meeting of the planning and zoning commission is scheduled for wednesday august 5th 2026 at 9 00 a.m in council chambers i'll now entertain a motion to adjourn thank you meeting is adjourned Thank you.

Today is June 23rd, 2026. It is a Tuesday. We're here in council chambers for the hearing examiner hearings. Before we start today, I have a few preliminary comments that I wanna share with the crowd. Our process is a little bit different than the process followed in other jurisdictions. In our process, the clerk will read the introduction to the case. The clerk will swear in anyone who is testifying. City staff testifies regarding compliance with public notice. Because city staff is the applicant, or represents the applicant, I should say today. Normally I would say the applicant goes first in presenting their entire case. City staff goes second in presents their entire case. That's truncated today in view of the fact that city staff is here on behalf of the applicant. Next is public comment. If you're here for public comment, please be sure to be sworn in at that, be prior to your testimony. And also all testimony must be from the podium in front of me, or, oh, we don't have the microphone today. So it'd be from the podium in front of me. If you're here for public comment, please make your comments comprehensive so that you get your entire thoughts shared with us. Once public comment is closed, it will not be reopened. Following the closure of public comment, the applicant, once again, applicant/staff, will respond to questions, make any final comments, and the hearing is concluded at that time. If you have a cell phone with you today, please turn it off or silence it. Take any cell phone conversations outside the room, if possible. If you wish to have a private conversation, please move away from the lectern so we do not accidentally record your comments. If your comments are recorded, they become public record at that time. Please come to the microphone if you have comments so we can properly record your testimony. All testimony must be under oath. Anyone who provides testimony other than staff or the applicant is requested to fill out a public participation card so we can properly spell your name. If you wish to have a copy of the hearing examiner recommendation or order as the case may be, please do provide your email contact information. However, once you provide that information, your email will automatically become public record and available to any from the public, anyone from the public who wishes to review that information. With those preliminary comments, I'm going to turn it over to the clerk to call our first case. Thank you. Thank you. The clerk is under four acres. The parcels are undeveloped and one parcel was recently annexed into Cape Coral in 2024. Any person giving testimony today, if you are able, please stand and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear to or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? - I do. - Thank you. - Thank you, Madam Clerk. Good morning, Mr. Boyko. - Good morning, Madam hearing examiner. For the record, Chad Boyko, principal planner with the city's planning division. Before we go into our presentation, being that the city's the applicant and there is no outside applicant, I will go into the fact that this case has been properly advertised. We have mailed letters to residents within 500 feet of both of the properties. We place a sign on the property and we also place an ad within the newspaper of local circulation. And all of that was then done 10 days prior to this hearing being held. - Thank you. I will find that proper notice was given. - And then I'd also like to be recognized as an expert witness based upon previous testimony before you and my credentials, which can be obtained at the city clerk's office. - I will recognize you as an expert for purposes of this hearing based upon your CV, which is of record with the city clerk, and also based upon your testimony regarding matters that are similar to the matters before us today. Thank you. - Thank you. Okay. What we have before you is RZN 26-2. This is a city initiated rezoning case. It involves two parcels that total a little over 23 acres in size. We have two properties located at 2327 Trafalgar Parkway and 11300 Chandler Grove Drive. They are both city owned parcels. We are looking to rezone one parcel, which is along Trafalgar Parkway from the single family residential R1 district to the commercial district. And then the other one along that is at Chandler Grove Drive. We are looking to rezone that from the agricultural 2, which is a elite county designation to the commercial district as well. We have done a future land map amendment for this that was heard by the Planning and Voting Commission last month. And they will be going to council on August 5th and 19, 2026 to be heard on the same date, so we can have both of these wrapped up at the same hearing. - And I would assume that PNC recommended approval? - They did, correct. - Thank you. - So the sites are located in sort of southwest Cape Coral, northern southwest Cape Coral, a little south of Pine Island Road. Here's an aerial for you. They are two undeveloped properties other than one does have a little bit of a retention pond area. As we mentioned previously, they are owned by the city of Cape Coral. They are, you know, in a manner of speaking, they're part of the Cape Coral Sports Complex, which is located off Trafalgar Parkway. That sports complex has a variety of baseball, softball, and soccer fields. The properties that you have here, one is along the entrance to the sports boulevard and is used as overflow parking as it was recently cleared in the past couple of years. And the other parcel that is vegetated was recently purchased and annexed by the city of Cape Coral. That is near the Saddlewood Farms Estates area and is to the west of the Cape Coral Sports Complex. Here is the current and the proposed zoning. You have one parcel that is in yellow, which indicates that it has a single payment residential R1 zoning. And the other is shaded in gray, indicating that it has a Lee County designation. As per Florida statute, if the city annexes a parcel into the municipality, it retains that Lee County designation up until the city does a future land use and a rezone for that parcel. And that's why you see that it's indicated in gray. Surrounding zoning is a mixture of commercial, institutional, single family residential, and corridor, and also some Lee County designation as well. And the proposed zoning would take both of those properties to the commercial district, which is what the other area, which is what the other parcel within the Cape Coral Sports Complex also shares. So this proposed rezone would unify all three parcels within the sports complex with this, with the same zoning and future land use. We've mentioned that they are owned by the city of Cape Coral. One was annexed a couple of years ago into Cape Coral. They are an extension of the Cape Coral Sports Complex, which has been around for a number of years. There is no plans in the works right now for any of these parcels. The one that is along Chandler Grove Drive has been possibly, you know, could be used for stormwater management. You do have some wetland areas on there. And other than the overflow parking that is for the one along Trafalgar Parkway, there is no current plans that are in the works or with a site plan or a building permit for that parcel. Staff finds the proposed rezone would be consistent with the intent to develop or expand that park on those properties. And then we would have similar zoning that's consistent with all three parcels within the sports complex. So we did our analysis for this rezone based upon the Land Development Code. There are six standards that we looked at, and we will provide those to you. The first standard is whether the proposed district is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan. Staff finds that the proposed commercial district is compatible with the Parks and Recreation future land use, which presumably would be hopefully be adopted by city council in August of 2026, so that you would have consistency with the commercial district and the Parks and Recreation land use designation. Staff finds that almost all zoning districts are compatible with the proposed Parks and Recreation designation. The second standard is whether the full range of uses allowed in the proposed district will be compatible with the existing uses in the area under consideration. Staff notes that the commercial district does allow a wide range of commercial professional service, some construction, you know, some automobile repair uses. You know, you have a wide range of uses that we utilize across the city within that commercial district. That being said, the uses that would be allowed would be restricted based upon the PK future land designation, so you're not going to be looking at retail offices, restaurants, uses going into that. Any uses that would be developed on these sites with the commercial district and the PK designation would need to be consistent with that designation, so you'd be looking at an expansion of the sports complex. You'd be looking at possibly some athletic facilities or the uses that you typically find within Cape Coral Parks, you know, all over the city. You wouldn't be looking at major retail or, you know, automotive service-based industries. The third standard is whether the range of uses allowed in the proposed district will be compatible with the existing and potential uses in the area under consideration. Nearly all of the undeveloped parcels are zoned single-family residential. You do have one large parcel that is to the east that is sort of also within the area of the sports complex. That's owned by the Lee County School District. It has an institutional zoning on it. We don't know if there's any, you know, development plans for that for a school. It's a rather small site for a school. You also have an elementary and a middle school just down the road along Trafalgar, so we don't necessarily anticipate seeing a school site on there. I mean, it's a 10-acre site. Rather difficult to develop a school on that. Other than that, you have some undeveloped lots that are zoned single-family. SAF finds that much as you have with the sports complex, the parks are generally a good neighbor to those where it provides recreational opportunities. You don't have super high traffic counts that you do with commercial or restaurant uses, and generally that the proposed uses within that C district for the Parks and Recreation designation would be consistent and compatible with those residential homes that could be built in the future. The fourth standard is whether the proposed district will serve a community need or broader public purpose. State of Cape Coral, based upon its growing size and its pre-platted nature, has always sought for additional parks and recreation land. This rezone and also the future land amendment would add almost 23 acres of land that could be utilized for parks use, recreation uses for the city's growing residents. The sports complex is often full with baseball, softball, and soccer teams that are there. This would allow for additional opportunities and recreational events for the citizens of Cape Coral, and possibly for other events for citizens outside traveling for tournaments or other things like that. The fifth standard is the characteristics of the proposed rezone area are suitable for the use permitted in the proposed district. Staff finds that a 23-acre site has the ideal size and depth for further expansion of the recreational uses there. The rezone will add existing land for that sports complex, which we mentioned is quite busy with sports teams, seven days a week often, and it will add park land to expand the footprint of one of the area's largest sports complexes. And then the last standard is whether a zoning district other than the district requested will create fewer potential adverse impacts to existing uses in the surrounding area. We mentioned earlier that almost all districts are compatible with the parks and recreation designation. We could have gone with a different zoning district other than the commercial district. You oftentimes have parks that are zoned single-family residential. We have some other ones that have perhaps an institutional use. Staff chose to go with the commercial district solely based on the fact that you already have the commercial district for the sports complex, and we sought unity with that existing zoning for the two parcels that you have before you today. That was my question why it wasn't another zoning district like institutional, but I understand what you're saying. That makes a lot of sense. We were shooting for consistency. You've already got commercial districts there. We figured it would be a cleaner look if you had all three parcels owned by the city with the parks and recreation designation to have the similar zoning. It just looks for a cleaner use table there. And then we also looked at the future land use element table 1.15. Staff finds that the proposed rezone will be compatible with that table within the comprehensive plan, stating that the commercial district is compatible with the PK designation. Staff's recommendation, based upon our analysis of the LDC and the comprehensive plan, is approval of the rezone request. We have had several phone calls just asking what's going on when you see a rezone to commercial near all these residents within Sandoval and Saddlewood. You naturally have interested or curious citizens. Once we explained to them what the goal of the rezone was, there was not any opposition. The only opposition that we had was one resident within the Saddlewood community. They had opposition to the future land use amendment, but they did not speak upon the rezone request. Why were they opposed to the future land use? There was a couple of factors that they were opposed to. One, I think that they were just maybe a little dubious of what the intentions of the land use amendment was for the future. Was it a pickleball concern? What's that? Was it pickleball? I understand there's a lot of people opposed to pickleball. No, they had issues. They had concerns about the lighting. They had concerns about the traffic. They were set within Saddlewood, which is not part of Cape Coral. So they feared that they wouldn't have any protection upon what was developed there. The property that is nearest to them has wetlands on it, so what you can develop on there is obviously limited. But they didn't speak at the hearing. They only wrote one letter of opposition for it. Right. Okay. But they didn't opine on the zoning specifically? They did not reach out regarding the rezone request. Thank you. All right. I'm not here for any further questions. I have no other questions. Thank you. This is a public hearing. Are there members of the public who wish to provide input or comment? Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the applicant. Anything else, Mr. Boyko? I will take your gesture as a no. I have nothing else. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. I will recommend that it go forward as requested by staff, obviously contingent upon the city council considering the parks and recs, and if that is not approved by city council, obviously the recommendation will say that this would fail as well as a contingency. So no problem. Okay. Thank you very much. Moving on to the second hearing. Madam Clerk, thank you. OZN 26-00003, applicant, City of Cape Coral, unit 79, block 6408, tract 1, Tropicana Park, acreage is 2.54 acres, the request. This case involves a city-initiated small-scale rezoning for one property, 2.54 acres, from mixed-use Seven Islands, MX-7, to single-family residential, R-1. The site is developed with park land uses. A companion future land use map amendment for multifamily, MX, to Parks and Recreation, PK, as Flume 26-00003, ordinance 36-26 is underway. City planning staff recommendation is approval. Any person giving testimony today, if you're able, please stand and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Good morning, Mr. Daltrey. Good morning, Madam Hearing Examiner. Prior to moving forward with my presentation, a couple of preliminaries first, I would like to assert that the city has properly provided notice per the three-legged stool of public notification, that being mailings to property owners within 500 feet of subject property, the posting of the sign on the subject property, and notification within the newspaper of record, which is the Fort Myers News Press. I will find the proper notice was given. Thank you. In addition, I would like to request that I be viewed as an expert witness for purposes of this case, based on my biography and my CV, in addition to my previous testimony before you. I will find you as an expert based upon your CV, which is a record with the clerk's office, and also based upon your prior testimony regarding issues that are similar to those today. Do you have a third request? That will do it for me. Thank you. How about your staff report? Oh, well, actually, while we're at it, too, I would also like to request that my staff report be considered part of the public record for this presentation. I will consider the staff report as incorporated into your presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Moving forward. Good morning. For the record today, Wyatt Daltry playing team, Wyatt Daltry playing team coordinator for the city's playing division. My credential may be obtained at the city clerk's office. This is a rezone request, city initiated for just over two and a half acres. The property is the Tropicana Park site, which doesn't have an address per se, but it's on the south side of Tropicana Parkway, west of Old Burnt Store Road. The request specifically is to amend the zoning from the mixed-use Seven Island zoning district to the single-family residential zoning district. This should bring this forward, too, that a proposed future land use map amendment, which is Ordinance 36-26, is in process to amend the future land use to parks and recreation. This was presented before the planning and zoning commission meeting earlier this month, and is scheduled to be heard by council to be introed on August 5th and be brought forward for final presentation on the 19th. The way this would work would be that the future land use map amendment would be presented and brought to council for a decision prior to this companion rezone. Clearly, if one succeeds, the other will follow. If, for whatever reason, the council decides to deny the amendment request, this rezone would not move forward in that case. Thank you. Did P&C recommend that it go forward? They recommended unanimously approval of the amendment. Thank you. The site's located in northwestern Cape Coral, as I mentioned before, west of Old Burnt Store Road, south of Tropicana Parkway. This is an aerial of the subject property. It's a rather thin, rectangular piece of property. It's on the northwest spreader canal, has direct access by that canal to Charlotte Harbor or the Matlaché Pass area. As you can see on the aerial, it's sporadic, primarily single-family residential development, particularly to the north and to the east. South of the property, currently undeveloped, is the Seven Islands Project, which is noteworthy. It's been in the news several times over the years, just to kind of get an idea as far as what is in place in the area. These two maps indicate the current and proposed zoning. The current zoning of the subject property has that mixed-use sevens, indicating purple. That's on the map on the left here. The properties south of it share that mixed-use Seven Islands designation, while properties to north, northeast, and east have single-family. That's in yellow. Properties to the west on the other side of the northwest spreader canal are in state preserve land as part of that Matlaché Pass Aquatic Preserve. While located in the city of Cape Coral, it's administered by the state of Florida. Clearly, there's no development planned for that area. On the proposed zoning, you notice the subject property proposed to be amended to R1, like most of the properties within the vicinity. Some background. Properties developed as a public park. In fact, I believe it just opened recently. This has been a platted park for some time, historically. I believe it was transferred to the city as part from the original developers or their successors and interests, Avatar Properties. So the idea has been for a while to have this be developed as a park. Now that development has really reached that point in northwestern Cape Coral where we're at that place now. Was that part of a development order? Was that part of a development order that the developer transferred ownership to get additional entitlements for the... I don't believe so, no, because the transfer was from the late 70s, as I recall. And I think similarly, not to get too far off the track here, but we have other properties that are owned by the city but were transferred to us from Avatar Properties. Public parking lots come to mind as among those properties as well. So it was just a situation where while the city owns it, the city does have some constraints on what we can do with those properties to... Understood. ...to remain the owner of it. I know you've been here for a while, so I thought you might have the historical data. Thank you. Sure. And while going through the background of this, initially, I think fairly early in the Seven Islands project process, there were some discussions about maybe there being a public-private partnership on this property, which is why this was rezoned to Mixed Use Seven. Since that option has gone away, that's one of the impetuses for rezoning this property. We don't want the public to think that this is part of the Seven Islands project, as it is not. But to conclude the background here, the proposal will be consistent with the historical intent and, frankly, the current development of a park on this current property. So a bit of a housekeeping measure. I will go through the land development code analysis. For this, I reviewed Section 3.4.6 of the land development code. There are six review criteria that we will look at. I will go through that in detail. The first criteria is whether the proposed zoning district is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan. The answer to that, the proposed R1 zoning is consistent with the recently proposed, not quite yet adopted, parks and recreation. Rezone to R1 further legally support the parkland use and any additional parkland uses, if any, to be developed in the future. We feel that this is a better designation than the current Mixed Use Seven zoning district. Again, I alluded to this earlier that the mixed use seven district could lead decision makers and the public to believe that the site could be used in the future for more intensive mixed use development. That is not the intent. And we wish to be clear about that on our zoning map. The second criteria is whether the full range of uses allowed the proposed zoning district will be compatible with existing uses in the area under consideration. To that, just arkening back to the map series that I presented earlier, the surrounding, the existing uses of the surrounding area are primarily single family housing, full range of permitted uses in the R1 district would be consistent with the area. And it's also, it should be mentioned that R1 is the principal single family residential zoning district in Cape Coral. Proposed R1 zoning would allow for similar or less intense uses than that which currently exists in the immediate area. The third criteria is whether the range of uses allowed the proposed zoning district will be compatible with existing and potential uses in the area under consideration. Again, uses in R1 districts should be compatible with existing uses. Permitted uses in R1 zoning are identical to those allowed on parcels to the immediate east and, I should say, east, north, and southeast. Fourth criteria is whether the proposed zoning district will serve a community need or broader public purpose. City already has a deficiency in parkland. So, with that identified need, this helps fulfill that. And we feel, again, that this rezone would be better placed to assist in that effort than that of the mixed-use seven islands. The fifth criteria is the characteristics of the proposed rezone area are suitable for the uses permitted in the proposed zoning district. What I reviewed when I was reviewing this was that this site at approximately two acres is larger than the platted parcels found near the subject property. It's not just large enough to accommodate the current use. It has additional space for buffering if the site is redeveloped for additional park buildings. Lastly, whether a zoning district other than the district requested will create fewer potential adverse impacts to existing uses in the surrounding area. Actually, we'll need to... R1 is the, as I mentioned earlier, is the base residential zoning district. There are no other zoning districts that would be appropriate and compatible with the parks and recreation future land use that would have fewer uses. So, this is about as comfortable with the surrounding residential neighborhoods you can find as far as a zoning district that still meets that compatibility with parks and recreation. Regarding our plan analysis, staff reviewed this amendment, more particularly through policy 1.15i, the future land use element. We find the amendment to be consistent with a comprehensive plan. 1.15i, by the way, is the parks and recreation aspect of policy 1.15. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. 1.15i, by the way, is the park site. I have no questions. Thank you. Thank you. This is a public hearing. Are the members of the public who wish to provide input or testimony? Seeing none, bring it back to the applicant slash staff. Any further testimony, sir? No other testimony. Thank you very much. Thank you. We'll recommend approval. Try to get the recommendation out as soon as possible. At this point, I'm closing this hearing. Madam Clerk, would you please read the third or third hearing for today? Thank you. Case number RZN 26-00004. Applicant is the City of Cape Coral. Address 2501 Southeast 17th Avenue. Acreage is 13.38 acres. The request, this is a city-initiated small-scale request for rezoning of city-owned property. The applicant has requested rezoning from the commercial, C, zoning to a proposed institutional, INST, zoning for one parcel totaling more or less 582,988 square feet or 13.38 acres. City planning staff recommendation is approval. Any person giving testimony today, if you're able, please stand and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Good morning, Mr. Santora. How are you doing today? I'm doing very well, Madam Hearing Examiner. Excellent. For the record, Anthony Santora, Senior Planner, before beginning the presentation for the city-initiated rezone, I would like to indicate that for this hearing, staff noticed this hearing with a letter to all property owners within 500 feet of the subject property. We also placed a sign on the property noting the time and date of the hearing as well as the request and put an ad within a local paper of record indicating time and date of hearing and the request. Thank you. I will find the proper notice was effectuated. Thank you. And also before beginning, I would like to ask to be recognized as an expert witness in the field of planning and urban design based on my CV, based on my CV, which is on file at the City Clerk's Office and similar cases presented to Madam Hearing Examiner previously. I will find that you are an expert regarding issues that are relevant for today's hearing based upon your CV of record with the clerk and also based upon your prior testimony regarding matters that are similar to those presented today. Thank you. Also, one last item of housekeeping. As I will be speaking to my staff report, I would like to incorporate that into the record for today's hearing. So incorporated. Thank you. Thank you. So to begin, this is RZN 26-00004. This is a city initiated rezone for a piece of city owned property located at 2501 Southeast 17th Ave. This is at the intersection of Southeast 17th Ave and Everest Parkway. This is just south of Veterans and just east of Del Prado. It is affectionately known as the Everest facility where it is currently developed with existing city services and right next to the Everest water treatment facility. So the size of the parcel is roughly 13.38 acres. It is separated into two areas, one being the primary area which is developed, that is to the southeast of Southeast 17th Ave. The other one is a small linear strip that exists to the northeast of Southeast 17th Ave, which we will see in the aerial. That is currently undeveloped and situated next to some developed properties. That is quite the tongue twister. It is very tough. So this is a city initiated small scale rezoning. And the intent is to take this from the commercial designation to the institutional designation. There is a little bit of background information on this as we currently heard. This parcel is owned by the city. It does abut existing city owned property to the west -- to the east, excuse me, which is the Everest facility water treatment plant. This facility property is currently developed with existing city service facilities. There we go. A little bit on the rezoning history. Originally, these properties were R3 when the zoning map was first done. They were converted to C1 and then to commercial C in 2019. When the future land use map came out in the early -- or late '80s, excuse me, the zoning map was originally designated as commercial professional. However, that future land use designation is seeking to be changed from the commercial professional to the public facilities running concurrent with this zoning. That is a land use request, FLUME 260004. That was heard earlier this month by the Planning and Zoning Commission where they did unanimously recommend approval of the request and it will be heard at the same time as this rezoning hearing on the 19th. As this is a larger rezone, state statute does require two hearings, but the hearing schedule will line up where council decision will fall ultimately at the same time as the future land use amendment hearing. So the reason for this rezone today is that the institutional zoning will align more accurately with the uses that already are developed on the site. Additionally, the intent is to have this site be combined with the city-owned property that is to the east of it, that being the water treatment facility. And by doing so, it will remove some physical inconsistencies that are on the site currently, which we'll see in the area, there are some buildings built a little too close to setback lines. And so this will help alleviate that. And it will also allow for full utilization of the property for future expansion and development of those city services that inhabit this site. So in order to have lock consolidation, then land use and zoning must match. And so the intent is to have those match on this property, being that they are city uses and fall within the definitions of the institutional zoning district and the use table more specifically for that, it would make more sense to do it on that property. So therefore, that is the reason before you today. So here we can see the aerial highlighted in red is the subject property here. You can see the main bulk of the area being to the southeast. You can see the southeast 17th Ave running up with Everest Parkway along the north. Here's that small strip of undeveloped land. To the west here, you can see some low scale multifamily residential construction. To the north and to the south, you can see some existing single family residential construction. To the east here, you have the water treatment facility. And then to the far west, you can see a smattering of developed institutional and commercial uses. There's a fire station here, a church here, a gas station. So here you can see a breakdown of the current future land use map. You can see the public facilities moniker to the east for the water treatment facility. Again, institutional or public facilities farther to the west along with commercial. The multifamily along here where the RML properties are. And the subject property currently under the CP designation. I also included the future land use map from the Flume 264, which is running concurrently with this, to show you what the intent of that future land use is and how that will align with the zoning that is being proposed. One note, I will say when we do the analysis, we based our analysis on the requested future land use of the public facilities. And so that you will see reference several times in my report, as well as through the discussion we will have now. But you can see now how that aligns. Thank you. I'm sorry. And I do appreciate you providing the proposed map. Sure. That's helpful. I, again, just wanted to illustrate showing you how it would be more consistent with the surrounding properties. And so here you can see the existing commercial as it is today on the site with the institutional to the east. You can see the commercial bordering Del Prado and along Veterans. The R1 designation to the north and south and to the very far east where those single family residential homes are developed. And then a transitional buffer between Del Prado commercial and this area, which is the RML district, which is developed with those low-scale multifamily residential uses. So the intent is to take this single parcel to the institutional, again, to align with the adjacent parcel, to combine that and to alleviate some of those inconsistencies and provide for future expansion of uses. Is there any thought about -- could you go back one slide? Is there any thought about doing something with that little piece of southeast 17th Avenue, or do you think that will stay? Are you talking about in terms of development? Mm-hmm. Unfortunately, I don't believe, given its size, and it's one of the things that was noted in the analysis, given its size and nature of the location of it, there's not a lot you can really do with it without vacating areas of southeast 17th Avenue, which I do not believe we want to do at this time. It is the primary area when we look at the aerial -- excuse me -- for access to the site, although there does exist a little bit of access on the Everest side. There's more access points off of southeast 17th Avenue, given that it has direct connections closer to the Del Prado exit and then directly up to the Veterans Parkway, which is up here. So I do not believe there would be much you could develop with it. However, it is part of the parcel. So instead of separating that out and splitting it, which if we did split, again, there's not much you could develop on it anyway. So no, I don't believe there's any intent to develop anything on that site currently. Okay. Thank you. Uh-huh. So as required by the Land Development Code, we analyzed this request through the criteria found in Section 3.4.6 , criteria being 1 through 6, and we found that the request was consistent with all six criteria, and I'll go through those a little bit more in depth now. Um, beginning with criteria number one, that is comp plan consistency. Staff found that the requested institutional zoning district would be consistent with the public facilities land use classification. Again, that's how we examined all of these criteria was through the lens of that public facilities land use criteria and the institutional zoning district. As well as that, we found that the proposed rezone is consistent with some of our goals and policies of the comprehensive plan. And based off of that, staff finds that the, this criteria was consistent with the request. Moving on to request, or request, criteria number two, that is whether the full range of uses allowed in the proposed zoning district will be compatible with existing uses in the area under consideration. So what we have found, uh, is that the area is heavily developed with a slew of uses, from single family residential, low scale multi-family residential, existing institutional uses, city support uses, community support uses, and commercial. Uh, the institutional district as defined in section 4.1.2.b.4 states that the institutional district is to allow for the development of non-profit or quasi-public uses such as religious institutions, libraries, public or private schools, hospitals, or government owned or operated structures. Within that, uh, the allowances from the site dimensional standards contained in the zoning code are pretty flexible. Uh, they can be a little bit, uh, more strict based upon the higher intensity and densities that are permitted within the institutional zoning, but they are ultimately identified as a way in which the uses which are of a public nature can be better implemented to serve the public and fit within many types of zoning districts. That's why we find that a lot of the, uh, zoning districts are permittable within that public facilities land use classification. So based off of that and with, um, the kind of knowledge that the commercial and institutional zoning districts that currently exist and are developed on would be compatible based on one sharing the same zoning, uh, as the institutional for those institutionally zoned properties and that within table, uh, 1.15 of the comprehensive plan, uh, it does specify that government facilities and offices get developed to a commercial professional, um, density. So the, any types of potential uses that would be developed in the institutional district would be comparable to those that are already developed with those same types of intensity limiters, um, that are currently developed. As it comes to the residential properties, uh, the multi-family residential is described in our LDC as a buffer district and its nature is to, uh, be directly adjacent to some of those higher intensity uses. So their proximity to those uses would be, uh, acceptable. Also, the property does not directly abut many of those properties. Uh, actually it only abuts three of those multi-family properties and that is to the southeast. So there would be not really any conflict with potential uses on our site with those existing uses. Uh, as far as the single family residential uses, those are separated either by a roadway or a canalway and while it's not the best to have them, uh, directly adjacent, that separation of, um, the roadway and the size of the parcel would allow for sufficient buffering for them to exist without any, uh, issues arising. So therefore, based on that, staff found that the criteria was consistent with the request. So moving to criteria number three, that is whether the proposed zoning district will be compatible with the existing and potential uses. Kind of already existed, uh, discussed the existing uses and found that to be consistent with that portion of in criteria two. So we're going to focus on the proposed uses. Um, as we saw in the aerial, most of these are already developed. However, we did want to look a little bit further into what happens if redevelopment does occur on, uh, the properties and whether or not those proposed uses would be compatible with this zoning district. So as it comes to the institutional district, that obviously would be compatible with any uses as it shares the same zoning classification in the use tables that would be permissible. Similarly to the commercial professional, as we just discussed in criteria number two, the requirements of the comprehensive plan require a max, uh, a development of intensities on the institutional properties for government facilities and offices to be consistent with those in the commercial professional requirements. So any types of perm, permittable development would be in line with the densities and intensities that could be done in the commercial district. Likewise, many of the uses would be similar, uh, in nature to those contained within the, uh, the institutional zoning classification. Uh, again, as it comes to the RML, that is the transitional, um, designation of the zoning. And so any types of potential uses in terms of multifamily, uh, even while it's not, again, not, uh, the best, it does permit some single family, but primarily it is a multifamily designation for low-scale multifamily. Um, and any types of development would be consistent as a transit, transitional use and not cause any conflict with that of the proposed zoning district. And again, for single family developments, um, um, or in the R1 district, um, which again, the R1 is primarily a single family residential district and would be developed with uses that are akin to single family residential or supporting uses, um, um, and those are limited in what they can be. Uh, they would be either separated by a substantial distance, uh, either a large roadway or canalway or have the ability to be adequately buffered where their implementation would not be an issue with this zoning district. So based off of that, staff found that this request was consistent with criteria number three. Uh, moving on to criteria number four, that is whether the proposed zoning district will serve a community need or broader public purpose. Currently, the site is developed with city services and they will continue to be operated as city services well into the future. This zoning and the, uh, proposed rezoning and the institutional zoning district would allow for adequate expansion of the facilities to serve community needs as the community continues to grow. New services and technologies come online that would allow the city to respond and better serve the community. Based upon that, staff finds that there is a public purpose that would serve the betterment of the community in providing the necessary city services and infrastructure to keep the community safe, um, going forward and into the future. So we found that this criteria was consistent. Moving into criteria number five, whether the characteristics of the proposed rezone area are suitable for the uses permitted in the proposed zoning district. So as we saw in the aerial and in the subsequent maps, the area is quite large being over 13 acres. There is not much topography as it's already been developed with existing uses. Um, the site has access to all the utilities and is currently developed. So there exists no impediment throughout the majority of the site to any type of development. The portion of property to the northwest while being small in scale, um, it's only represents a very minuscule portion of the property as a whole. Um, and again, there's really no intent to develop that portion of it. Um, and it's not really a vital piece to development currently, uh, because again, bulk of the area of the property exists to the southeast, um, where the development of these services already has been done. So based upon that, the area of the property is not really a big part of the property. Um, and that's, uh, it's probably not even big enough for parking. Uh, it's very small. I mean, in order to try and get the required amount of parking, uh, the aisleways, the turn-ins, um, landscaping on there, it wouldn't most likely be feasible on there. Um, plus I don't know if we would allow, uh, parking on grass areas. Um, we do allow that in certain zoning districts. I do not believe here for this type of use it would be permissible, but I couldn't spade 100%. But again, with its size and proximity to the other uses, no, parking probably wouldn't be feasible there. Um, so moving on to criteria number six, that is whether another zoning district other than the proposed district would cause fewer potential adverse impacts to the existing uses in the surrounding area. As we heard earlier on in the presentation, the intent is to align the in the zoning and land use with the existing uses. There's only one, uh, defined zoning category within our land development code that directly aligns with the uses that are existing on the site, that being the institutional. Furthermore, with the intent to combine these properties, um, to remove some of those inconsistencies that exist from the current development on the site and to allow for future development and full utilization of the property, only the institutional zoning district would be permissible. Now, all zoning districts with the exception of agricultural are permitted within the public facilities, uh, land use designation, but again, there's only one district that meets those two criteria. And so, therefore, there would be no other districts other than the proposed institutional which cause any, uh, fewer adverse impacts than what is being proposed. So, therefore, we found this criteria to be consistent with the proposed rezoning. Uh, moving farther in depth to criteria number one, we did analyze this, um, within our comprehensive plan and had highlighted two specific, uh, instances in which this, uh, this, uh, criteria was consistent and that being chapter four policy 1.15 and that is table 1.15 as well, which specifies the permissible zoning districts within the land use category of public facility. As you previously heard all districts with the exception of ag are permissible. Um, and so institutional would be permissible and meets that qualification. Additionally, the subsection requires that any governmental offices and facilities be developed out to a maximum intensity and density that is consistent with that of the commercial professional designation. Uh, currently that has been done and will continue to be done in the future in accordance with that requirement. So staff found that it was consistent with that policy. Uh, additionally in chapter one, our capital improvement element policy 1.5 that is where the majority of public facility categories exist, consists of school public facility buildings and religious establish. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I'm reading the wrong thing. Uh, that is policy 1.15. Uh, that is policy 1.15. That is public facilities, expansion and construction, including the construction of schools and public medical facilities shall be located in such a manner as to avoid impacts on unique or significant natural systems. This, uh, site is already developed with those facilities and, um, um, allowing for the full utilization and expansion of this facility would save the city from having to develop these services at other locations, which would possibly create negative impacts both to the community and to our natural ecosystems surrounding the area. So based upon the analysis, staff had found that the request was consistent with this policy. Excuse me. Uh, moving on. We also did have police and fire provide us an impact analysis, uh, for the potential land use and rezone. And both fire and police sound that there would be little to minor impact with any type of rezone or amendment to this property. So based upon all the analysis conducted, staff, uh, recommends approval of the rezoning application, changing the zoning from commercial to institutional zoning. And prior to this hearing, staff has received no correspondence, either written or phone, uh, from any members of the public in regards to this. So with that, I will stand by for any questions. Thank you. Do you see any trend in city policies towards any type of solar or wind that would, uh, that could be developed on these, probably not on these parcels, but in general? Um, that's a good question. I'm not 100% sure as policy decisions are typically set much higher than my level. Um, now we do allow for photovoltaics and some of those similar systems to be developed on, I believe, a myriad of existing, or excuse me, of a myriad of zoning districts within the city. I'm not 100% sure if, uh, they are permissible within the institutional zoning district. I would believe they would be, uh, based on our use table in 4.1.6. Um, but as far as if the city is seeking to make any type of major shift, I couldn't say one way or the other, unfortunately. And I appreciate that. And I'm, I'm not asking for any inside information. No, of course not. But I, I'm just thinking as institutional zoning goes forward, is that something that the, that the city would start incorporating into, into, uh, some of their long-term thought processes for comp plan or zoning? But that, it's more of a theoretical. It has that. And it, and it could be. There could be opportunities for that as new technologies come online, um, as, uh, new, um, and it's, um, as, uh, an expansion of city services, uh, begins. Things like that could be taken into consideration. And the joining of the properties, uh, would allow for a much larger area that could incorporate such potential uses into the future. Again, the intent currently is not to incorporate that, but to specifically, uh, expand, um, the existing city services that are there. And I believe that's parks and rec, uh, public works, um, stormwater management, things like of that. But yeah, I mean, as new technologies emerge, that could be something that is, uh, pursued at a higher level. Yeah. Just, just thinking, uh, theoretically. Thank you. I have no other questions. This is a public hearing. Are there members of the public who wish to provide import or testimony? Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the staff/ applicant. Anything further? Uh, the only thing is I would like to incorporate my presentation into the record. Thank you. Duly noted. And, uh, and, uh, I will do so. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Nothing further. Thank you. I will recommend that this go forward as requested by staff, obviously with the contingency regarding the Comptain Amendment as, as, uh, as it would have to be anyway, as you pointed out. Um, and with those comments, I'll close this hearing. Uh, the only thing before us at this time is the date and time of the next hearing, which is Tuesday, July 21st, 2026, at 9:00. AM in council chambers. We stand adjourned at 9:53. Thank you, everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I Good evening We're gathered here in council chambers and 101 5 cultural Park Boulevard is 5 o'clock p.m. And I call this meeting to order We'll start with a moment of silence Next we'll stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America To the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Seated Madam clerk can you call the roll At a Sally present Jackson present Katine Michaels present Santos present And member Kaleraine is asked to be excused unmarked himself Parent representatives Hugh Glenn Shade Gibson present Rizzo All right for the regular members we have five present and we have one present for the parent representatives Thank you ma'am Thank you ma'am Moving on to item 5a we have student and staff recognition Ms. Collins Yes good evening Jackie Collins superintendent we have a special tidbit for you tonight with our SGA students at the high school We have a friend in common the high school and myself through the scientist society his name is Michael Schneider Christensen and he is a world class traveler and he travels all over the world and when he travels to different countries that he visits he makes a point to travel to different schools and he helps support the different schools he's been asking me to connect him with high school students so that they can connect with a school in Rwanda we have a private all girls boarding school in Rwanda that he visits with a private all girls boarding school in Rwanda that he visits with a school in Rwanda that he visits with a school in Rwanda and he visits with a school in Rwanda and he's been asking me to connect him with high school students so that they can connect with a school in Rwanda we have a private all girls boarding school in Rwanda that he visits with a school in Rwanda and he visits with a school in Rwanda and he visits with a school in Rwanda and he visits with a school in Rwanda. regularly, and he connected the principal and I, and then we connected our students. So our SGA students at the high school and his students met with each other, and we wanted to do this because knowing that we have two different groups of individuals across the globe, they still have the same things that are important to them, the same problems they suffer from. He said, you know, parents in Rwanda are worried that their students spend too much time on social media like we do here. There are a lot of similarities, and he wanted these two groups of students to get together to figure out what, that they're not so far apart, even though they live far apart. So I want to read you a little blurb from the teacher because I asked her to recap the visit, and she said, both schools shared what their school days looked like, their schedule, requirements of the students, such as uniforms, tuition, dues, Jean, who's the principal. Jean's school is an all-girls boarding school, so the girls were surprised to see a boy in our class. SGA students are very excited to share their Instagram account with the girls, as they shared, and had one too many, and they had one too, so they could see the activities and fun events we do throughout the school year, as these are things they did not even know that existed. Our students are hoping to make some videos out of our student body sharing a day in the life at Oasis type video to give them a better look into what schools look like here. We also plan to arrange partners so they can become pen pals and establish relationships with other students across the world. My students' hearts were so full after our conversation and are very excited and eager for the next opportunity. So I want to share this video with you that our high school students recorded. We're from Oasis High School and we wanted to share something really special that happened last week. We had the opportunity to connect over WhatsApp with an all-girls school in Rwanda. Even though we live thousands of miles apart, it was amazing to realize how much we actually have in common. We talked about school, hobbies, goals for the future, and what everyday life looks like for each of us. It was really interesting to hear about their experiences and share our own too at Oasis High School. One of the most exciting parts of this experience is that it wasn't just a one-time meeting. Throughout the year, we plan to stay connected through WhatsApp and become pen pals with the students we met. We're really looking forward to continuing these conversations and learning more about each other's cultures and experiences. It's such a unique opportunity to connect with students from other parts of the world. This experience helped us appreciate so many things we sometimes have for granted here in the United States, like the opportunities and resources we have every day. At the same time, it reminded us that students around the world share many of the same dreams and goals that we do. Getting the chance to build friendships with students from another country is something truly special. We are so grateful for this opportunity and we can't wait to continue building those relationships throughout the year. Thank you guys for all of your support. Cute, isn't it? And then here are just some quick photos that I have. Let's just show you these. This is Michael Schneider Christensen right here on the side and they're talking through the iPad. Another example of the class, the group of students that, SGA students that met with the students from Mwanda. And this is the final slide. That's Jean and the students are on the bottom. And it was just wonderful that they really enjoyed making the connection with students from across the globe. So we thought we'd share that with you tonight. Thank you. Very nice presentation. Thank you, Ms. Collins. Mm-hmm. Do we ever host any international students? Maybe this. Yeah. We also had a child from Switzerland that came and spent two days at the high school just so he could see what school was like here in the States and that was also initiated by Michael. Schneider Christensen. Do you have any questions on the presentation? Great. Thank you, Ms. Collins. And thank you, Ms. Christinelli, for doing that for us with the Student Government Association. They're always an exceptional group of students, so I'm glad that they enjoyed that experience as well. Moving on to the approval of minutes. We're approving, excuse me, our minutes for the workshop for the meeting that took place on May 12, 2026, as well as the minutes of May 12, 2026 for the regular governing board meeting. Is there a motion? Motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next is going to be changes or adoptions to the agenda. Is there anybody wishing to make any changes or adoptions to the agenda? None. We will move on to our citizens' input time. With a maximum of 45 minutes, a set for input of citizens on matters concerning the Charter School Governing Board with three minutes per individual. Anybody wishing to speak can come on up to the podium and speak. Seeing none, citizens' input time will close. We will move on to our consent agenda. I would like to pull item C for further discussion because I think Ms. Collins would like to speak a little bit further on that. Excuse me. Is there anybody else wishing to pull any consent items for further discussion? Seeing none, is there a motion to approve consent agenda? A, B, and D. Motion to approve consent agenda A, B, and D as presented. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the consent agenda is passed with items A, B, and D as presented. Ms. Collins, would you like to speak a little further on resolution C of consent agenda? Yes. As required by the Florida Department of Education, every charter school and traditional school board has to adopt the mental health application or the youth mental health assistance allocation plan. And I just want to explain what this is to you. It's important and I think you'd be interested in knowing what it is. The mental health assistance allocation was created to provide funding to assist local education agencies, including charter schools, in implementing their school-based mental health assistance program pursuant to statute. And we receive an allocation per school for mental health assistance. So each school has to develop a program that includes training classroom teachers and other staff to detect and respond to mental health concerns. And connect children, youth, and families experiencing these behavioral health needs to appropriate services. So this plan has to guarantee certain assurances. They are that we track students at high risk for mental health counseling, which we do. And that we implement a multi-tiered system of support to deliver assistance and assessment, diagnosis, and intervention, and recovery services to our students and families. We also are held to a very strict time frame when responding to issues. We meet monthly with our threat assessment teams and our crisis teams to determine students that we feel are at risk. If someone is identified, they have a very short window in which to initiate identification and assessment. It's 15 days. We have within 30 calendar days to refer somebody to a community-based mental health provider if we feel that that is something that we need to do. We also employ a local mobile response team offered via grant to all schools in Lee County. 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And that was chosen from our social worker as a platform that provides results for us. Okay. So along with the plan, we gave you a copy of the plan. All schools plans look the same. We all do the same thing. There is a funding application sheet that's attached. Every school gets an allocation. It's a little bit different. It's based on enrollment. It's in the neighborhood of 57,000, a little more, a little less per school. And you need to approve not only our plan, but how we spend that allocation. And we spend that allocation year after year on our social worker. We divide her by four and our counselors. We have two at high school, one at middle school, one at each elementary school. The plan is, it's nice, but it doesn't cover the costs of those staff members. But it does cover a small portion. And as you can see, each school pays 25.25% of the social worker and sometimes 0.3, 0.6% of a counselor. But it helps. 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That is the general basis for mental health allocation plan plan. That is the general basis for mental health allocation plan plan. That is the general basis for mental health allocation plan plan. That is the general basis for mental health allocation plan plan plan. They recognize previously approved board items. They account for category adjustments, such as operating to capital outlay. They includes accepting any grants or awards that we receive throughout the year, as well as recognizing the prior year encumbrances that have rolled forward. As I stated, this is the second and final budget amendment for 2026. As you can see, fiscal year 2026 was adopted at 37.9 million. With our first budget amendment, we went up to 39.2 million. And today we are looking to approve an additional 4.9 million, bringing your overall fiscal year 2026 amended budget to 44.2 million. When we take a look at what that 4.9 million includes, we've received around $75,000 in grant awards and donations, including 74,000 from the US Department of Health and Human Services, and then $711 from 7-11. We had an approved use of fund balance for our holiday bonuses, as well as additional add pays for our system support staff for 35,000. And within our other adjustments, the school district of Lee County, we received $2.2 million for the half cent surtax. This is the first of three payments that you will be receiving. We received additional revenue that we recognized from the before and after care program for around $48,000. And then we had a transfer of funds to recognize the school lunch program. We moved them out of the general fund into a special revenue fund of about $1 million. That accounted for our $4.9 million adjustment on VA number two. Within our staffing changes, we did not recognize any formal FTE staffing changes with budget amendment number two, but we did reclass a paraprofessional two to an interventionalist teacher for Oasis Elementary North. As I stated, it doesn't affect our FTE count. So fiscal year 2026 amended staffing count is ending at 371.99 FTEs. With that, I'm requesting approval for your fiscal year 2026 budget amendment number two. And I'm here for any questions. Thank you, Ms. Reitler. Going back for the half cent sales tax, you said that was one of three? Yeah, you'll receive payment in 26, 27, and 28. And we're anticipating them all to be the same amount? It'll increase a little bit each time. But roughly the same? Roughly around the same, yeah. I think it's like 222426. Okay. On the next presentation, when I walk you through the adopted budget, I actually have the breakdown for you. Okay, perfect. Any other questions from Ms. Reitler? She answered it. Thank you. Ms. Michaels? On the additional revenue for the before and after care program, is that on top of the costs to run it? This is just additional revenue that came in that we had not previously recognized. So we budgeted a set amount and they actually brought in more this year. Got it. Thank you. Any other questions? Thank you, ma'am. We appreciate it. Great presentation as always. Nice and professional. Thank you. That being said, is there a motion to approve unfinished business item A for the budget amendment number two for fiscal year 2026? Motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carries. Brings us on to our new business. Don't go far, right? Ma'am. Thank you. I'm back again. Let me get this planned for you. All right. Today I'm here to walk you through your final budget approval for your fiscal year 2027 adopted budget. Previously, we met with our workshop back in May and we walked you through all the changes for your fiscal year 2027 budget. And today I'm gonna go ahead and walk you through any changes that have happened since that workshop. So we'll take a look at the overall total for the budget. A summary by school. We're gonna talk about the charter school athletic facility and then we'll open it up for any discussion. So overall, your fiscal year 2027 budget is at 50 million.4. There has been quite a few changes that we have recognized within this budget from your additional workshop that I'll show you on another slide. But some of those key changes, your half cent surtax, previously we were reporting it in transfers out. We have moved that to operating. It will be transferring over to the city as we'll discuss for the athletic facility. On top of that, we had use of fund that we are recognizing in fiscal year 2027. Total is going to be 8.2 million. Previously, there was a much smaller amount, around 400,000 we had planned to recognize. This brings us up and it recognizes use of fund balance for a few of your assigned fund balances. As well as the movement over to the city for the athletic facility. So overall, 50.4 million for fiscal year 2027. I always like to bring back and highlight your overall by school. It's important to recognize that we are balanced by school and in total. It's a key factor that we like to highlight that we are still staying balanced by school year over year. During the fiscal year 2027 budget workshop with city council that was held in June, one of the topics we discussed was the charter school athletic facility. We discussed funding options with council. Two of the options that we provided to council was to either fund with debt service or move forward with a cash basis funding. With the cash basis funding, we would be looking at paying with cash from our committed reserves. We would be consolidating our student laptop at 1.492 million, as well as our IT equipment for 3.325 million that we would recognize in your 2027 budget. The reason we took a look at those reserves specifically is because you do have the LCI funding that is coming in every year and is covering those expenditures. So at this point, we don't see a need to sit on those reserves. We do have the sufficient funds to cover it as we move forward each year. On top of that, we had the restricted capital surtax funding for 2026, seven and eight. 2026, we estimated at the 2.2, then 2.1 and 2.17 coming in for a total of 6.497. We have expected as of right now for your capital surtax funds for those three payments. We recommended utilizing those funds as well. Lastly, as of your fiscal year 2025 ACFER, you had a $15 million fund balance. We suggested utilizing 5.8 million of that fund balance. Between the 3.3, the 6.4, and the 5.8, it would bring us up to that $15.7 million needed in order to cash fund the athletic facility. The council did decide to move forward with cash funding that frees up the ability for any future debt that the city may need. It frees up that ability by utilizing the cash funding at this time. So with your fiscal year 2027 budget, from what we had presented in May to what we're presenting today, this is truly the changes that you're seeing. And the numbers is the recognition of those committed reserves, the unassigned fund balance, as well as moving and utilizing those capital surtax funds. With that, your overall total budget for 27 is 50.4 million. It represents a 32.99% increase over your 26 adopted, due in part to recognition of those additional funds for that athletic facility. And as I stated, it includes the classification of the half-cent surtax funds from transfers out to operating, and then additional use of fund balance. With that, I'm here for any questions you may have. Question? Thank you again, ma'am. First question is, where did we come up with the 15.7 million for the field? So that came from your fiscal year 2025 ACFER. So it's your financial statements that were finished. So that was your unassigned fund balance in fiscal year 2025 at the end of the year. And is that what we're assuming we're gonna need for the build? I'm sorry, the 15.7 million? Yeah. That came from the design scope plan. So that was the total estimated cost for the entire build. So Avalon Engineering provided 100% design opinion of probable cost. So that's their expectation for cost to build the athletic facility. Okay. So we utilized that figure to work our way back. And since we've, or city council has decided to go with cash instead of debt service, have we ever figured out how much money that would save us in interest and payments and penalties? I don't have that calculation. We can figure out what it would look like if we were to utilize cash versus the debt funding. We can calculate that for you. Excuse me. Yeah, that number would be great because I think it would be nice to be able to tell our community that how we're saving some of that money as well because we wouldn't be paying on the debt service with the interest. So I think that's probably something some people would be curious about. Okay. Thank you, man. Absolutely. Ms. Ataceli, I think you had a question. Yes. Just really quickly, just so that I'm making sure that I'm understanding. So going forward, if we're going with this plan, when that half cent sales tax money comes in, then that's going to be earmarked for the city at this point? Yes. It would be earmarked for the design of the charter school athletic facility. So it would go over to the city to pay cash for the actual build of the project. And that's going to be happening, I think according to the slide, through the 20, 20, 28? Yes. 26, 27, and 28 was when you'll get your years of funds. Okay. And so when we say cash, then as soon as we get it, then we'll just transfer it over. Yes. So obviously the design and the cost will come before we most likely get our 20, 28 funding. So in the meantime, we'll utilize existing fund balance and then we'll replenish as the capital surtax money comes in. Perfect. Thank you. Absolutely. It looks good to Ms. Michaels. It must be good. Would the city pay Avalon or whoever we go out to bid for, would they pay them the same way if we were going to do debt service to the city or cash? Is it going to be paid the same way to whoever gets the bid? Does it make any difference? The form of payment, no, because whether we pay cash or whether we were to take on the debt, we would still pay whoever constructs the athletic facility as the invoices come in. I would assume it's just paid in kind of increments. There's percentages that are paid as work goes, correct? Yes. Progress billing as they send it in to us. Okay. Budget looks good to me. Any other questions? Ms. Cateen, please. I had a question about the $15.7 million that they're estimating for the proposed total cost. For a project of this size, what is the typical over-under on that amount? And I can rephrase that so it doesn't make sense. What would be the over-under on a project of this size? You're good, Mark. I think an over-under bid. Sorry, Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. What was the question? I'm sorry, I didn't hear it. So my question was if the $15.7 million is what they're estimating for the proposed cost, the probable cost at this time, for a project of this size and this length of time it's going to take, do we anticipate it being within 5% over or under that amount, within 10%? How much? How much? So this estimate is the estimate of probable cost by the engineer. We haven't bid it yet. As soon as we bid it, it might come in at $15.8, it might come in at $15.5. Then there'll be probably a contingency on it because we're running into things that might be out there that for a contingency. But overall, if we bid it to 15 point, say we bid it at $15.7 million, it's going to come in at $15.7 million. It's probably not going to be too much under that. I wouldn't expect. And it certainly won't be over the bid price. That's essentially my question. Yes. Because we are not at the contract stage of this having a final bid. This is just the proposed cost from the design plan. This is the estimated cost from the designers. So we still have adjustments. Well, all I can tell you is the cost of things keep going up every day. So I don't know what the difference will be by the time they actually bid it. But, you know, it could be $16 million. How far away are we from the bidding process on this project? Frankly, we should be going out to bid here soon, within days. We've gotten the, I believe that Avalon is already working with our CIP group to put together the documentation to get this thing out on the street soon. I mean, I mean soon. We've told them to get it done. Thank you. Music to my ears. You're welcome. You asked a question about something about the difference between what the debt cost would be and what cash cost would be. Probably about $7 or $8 million over the term of the debt, which we would have issued for about 20 years. But again, this is against the capacity of the city, not against the capacity of the charter school system. So as we came up with this idea from our perspective, it's going to be a better deal for you to pay cash for this. And frankly, it'd be a better deal for the city because we're not chewing up our capacity for something that can be paid for with cash. So you're thinking about a $6, $7 million savings on interest and fees? Interest. Just interest. Just interest. I mean, that's enormous, I think. If we're paying or saving tax dollars out there by doing that, then I'm all for it. Let's do it. And if we had the ability to do it, I mean, that's even better. Like, if you would have asked me five years ago that we were going to pay cash for our new stadium, I would have never thought that was possible. If you would have asked me five years ago, I would have told you it wasn't possible either. but thank all the COVID money that's come in and a couple of other things that have, you know, freed up some funding for you that you've been able to do some things with and this is going to be one of them. Plus, the school district has finally settled on whatever they need to do with the half cent sales tax and that has certainly gone a long way and the LCI funding is a support for this as well. Any other questions for finance? Just one other question. Just out of curiosity, when we, if we were to go the debt service route or not, I understand, but if we were, how is the interest rate determined? The interest rate is determined by when we go out there into the marketplace to either get a bank loan or in a bond market. If we were in a bank loan, we would go out for an RFP and banks would bid, you know, an interest rate. That's how the interest rate would be determined. If we're out in the marketplace on a bond, we usually go through an underwriter and it depends on how much investors want to pay for our debt. And so, it's usually their bidding and they're offering up or recommending or suggesting an interest rate that they're willing to purchase our bonds for. So, that's how the interest rate is usually determined. We normally go out in a bond market and, you know, put out an interest rate for each bond and then, depending on where the investors stand with it, we get a premium on the bond and then the overall bond is actually less but nevertheless, at the end of the day, it's an interest rate is whatever it is. And right now, our normal tax-exempt interest rate is about 4.71. So, if we were to go to bond route, that's essentially what the city did for a number of our parks, I believe? The city did a general obligation bond, which is slightly different. It was for 15 years and each one of those bonds were issued over the last five years and the interest rates were whatever they were at that time. and probably a little higher than what I just said. Different credit as well. General obligation, the credit was the ad valorem taxes versus, in this case, it would simply be a covenant to budget and appropriate, which is a different credit. Thank you. Probably more than anybody wanted to know with this subject matter, but, you know, I can talk bonds all day long. Any other questions? for finance? Mr. Mason, Ms. Reitler, thank you so much. Thank you all very much. That being said, we have a motion to approve new business, item A, 23-26. Motion to approve. We have a second? Second. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, motion carries. Thank you. All right. Moving along to Ms. Collins' report. Chairman, I don't have a report this evening. We are closing out the year. We're closing our financial departments down, procurement. we are kind of cruising into the end of the year, and July 1st, we start up again. So unless the board has questions for me about anything that they're concerned about, I really don't have a report for tonight. Are we going to bring up, is maybe Tammy going to do a presentation for us at a later date for an event that just happened, or is that something you want to talk on now? Oh, stuff of us? Or is that maybe something you want to save for another meeting when it's over? We can save that for another meeting. We loaned our bus to a local builder, and they raised, their fundraiser was to raise school supplies for needed children. And we were a little concerned because it was happening in June, and families don't really think about going back to school until July. But they raised over 40,000 in school supplies, 40,000 pieces of back to school supplies. So it was gangbusters, and it was all over the news. Was Tammy integral in that, I'm assuming? Tammy drove the bus, dropped it off, picked it back up, and dropped all the goodies off to the church where they were giving them out. I think that's a great look for our school, and I'm glad that we were able to participate in any way that we could. I just wanted to put a little light on that since it was out there. All right. Nothing further? Mr. Mason, you have anything further for us tonight? Nope. Oh, I'm sorry. I apologize. I have to... Sorry. Ms. Collins, I just had a question. I know for next school year, for the 27-28, for kindergarten registration, we are in full swing. Mm-hmm. That's going off as normal. I would anticipate us going into a lottery situation. Absolutely. I would imagine, given the historical, our historical trend. I know we also have our before and after care, that application opening up soon. do we have any changes we're anticipating to before and after care that we haven't discussed yet? Not to my knowledge. Not to my knowledge. I haven't met with the principals. June is vacation month. When we come back in July, we start to talk about the upcoming school year. No one's voiced any kind of change that they're desiring for the before and after care program. So I think we're going to charge fourth, just like we've done this year. With little tweaks to make it better and more interesting, but I think we're looking to stay the same. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mr. Mason? Mr. Mason, you're up. Thank you, sir. Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. I can tell you, everybody's been busy. It's the summer, right? Things have been happening. Slow down. So to kind of give you an idea on the maintenance and repair activities that's been going on out there, they've been making some covered walkway improvements between the elementary and the middle south. They anticipate they have that done at the end of August, which is during school year? Or close? I don't know. Maybe close? Okay. They're painting the elementary schools both north and south. They anticipate having that done by the 15th of July. The floor tiles in the gym locker rooms are being replaced at the middle school. Concrete slab and sidewalks at the middle school are in the works as well. Has anybody been down there while the school's been closed? You can see all this construction work that's happening. Probably be, you know, I don't know. Maybe go down there and take a look and see what's happening. Roof exhaust fan is being replaced at the middle school. Apparently, this is a middle school year, so I've got a lot of things going on at the middle school. I think this year, I think it's 20 years old this year. So, that kind of makes sense, it being 20 years old. And that just, because I was here when it was built. Yeah. Anyways, we're putting in new walkway connections at the middle school as well. We're also making some changes or improvements at the expansion joints at the middle school. And the play field perimeter fence at the middle school is being replaced. And, of course, we're doing some refrigerator-freezer installation at the elementary north. So, we've got a lot of things going on at the schools. On the IT side, phone system upgrade, replacement, it's on premises right now. It's going out into the cloud. So, they're working on that. And the normal things that they do when they're in the summer the Chromebook refresh, the inventory, the cleaning, re-imaging, you know, reusing them, classroom inventory, some changes, new cabling, testing of all equipment, and apparently testing the Chromebooks, Chromeboxes and the Promethean boards. And then the computer labs, I think they're re-imaging all the computers in the new school year. So, that's a lot of work for the techs that are out there doing that work. So, anyways, and as far as finance is concerned, they're all here. And they're all working diligently in getting the books ready for the audit at seven days. Seven days left in the, you know, in the fiscal year and they start the audit and get that all taken care of and then we move on to a whole new school year. Brown hogs. I'm excited. Do we have any questions? We do. We do. First of all, I want to say thanks to the city for keeping our schools safe and clean for our students and their learning environment. Thank you, Rory. Yeah. Seriously, thank you. Because, you know, having a safe and clean school, I think it makes a difference to these students when they're looking around and they're seeing, you know, disrepair and things like that. It makes a difference in their attitudes. It makes a difference in the staff's attitude. And, you know, it's felt, the broken windows model. There's some evidence behind it, for sure. So we thank the city. We know that, you know, it's kind of the summertime is supposed to when things slow down, but that's the time you guys got to come in and do all the heavy lift when the kids are out of the school, right? So we appreciate that and I'm sure your staff is, you know, they want to slow down a little as their summer too. But so we thank you guys for coming in and doing that extra stuff when the students are out and get that stuff done. So that being said, I know Ms. Michaels has a question. Mr. Mason. Yes, ma'am. I'm wondering if it's possible as part of the RFP process with the potential contractors for the stadium, if they can, if part of it can be an inquiry into how they could maintain some parking in the field while construction is taking place. Because I think we all know that a lot of students park there and parking is going to be very complicated if the entire field is blocked off during the entire construction process. So if at least an inquiry could be how they could maintain some parking and how much parking they could maintain during the process, I think that would probably be very helpful for the school to understand. So parking management during school year. Yeah, I could envision them wanting the entire field for staging, but if there would be a way to keep some of it for parking. I'll check it out. Thank you. Yes, that is going to be a big concern and an issue if we do not address it beforehand for sure because that's a big majority of our parking back there and if kids whose parents don't drive anymore or they're, you know, they've... And it may be that it's not possible but that would be helpful to know as well if it was considered If they have to start doing busing, that's going to change a lot of things for us. Of course, we have to be very strategic in how we do this because parking's already at a premium and then to take away half of it, we would be in dire straits and if we had to add more bus routes and we had to add more... We wouldn't even have enough buses probably if all these students who parked there wanted to take a bus, we wouldn't even have the capability to do that. We're going to have to be very logistic to be conscious about this. Any other questions? Thank you, Mr. Mason. Thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. No council member report tonight. I do not have a report tonight as well. Do we have a foundation report? Doesn't look like it. This could be a record meeting. No staff report. Slon to final board member. Comments and reports. Start down on the side. Happy summer, everybody. That's all I got. Mr. Santos. Thank you for all the updates and I hope everybody's enjoying their time off. This is supposed to be a time we get the month off next month so try to enjoy doing what you guys do best. I know it feels like Groundhog Day, but you guys do great work. Thank you so much. Mr. Michaels. Enjoy the summer. Nothing more for me. Thanks, Sally. Superintendent Collins. I really appreciated the report you gave regarding the students who got a chance to partner and I guess meet with that other class. I would really love it if possible if we could get an update. I'd love to see if those students had availability. Maybe, you know, could just talk about how this process has been going because this is such an amazing opportunity for them to see how other students across the world, you know, are experiencing their own education and I like the fact that you mentioned that, oh, they're sharing their Instagram so it would be neat if one of the students was willing to come and kind of give us, hey, we've been doing this for, you know, four months, five months now. This is kind of like what we've got so just keep that in mind. But you guys all have an amazing summer and just like everyone else has said, you guys are all wonderful and definitely have earned and enjoyed this break that you're going to be getting. I just wanted to call out one of the new programs at Oasis North. Miss Giannis has a STEM camp that she kicked off this summer for five weeks. This is week three. They're doing cardboard engineering this week and the elementary students are having a blast and I love the fact that Miss Giannis took that on as a way to keep our students engaged and everything I've seen, the pictures, the videos that they've sent home, the kids are loving it, the staff is all really engaged that's there and I just wanted to call that out. She's doing a great job with that. I don't know if we have anything at the South similar to that but Miss Giannis is doing a great job this year and I would love to see that program continue. Ma'am? So I just want to say that yeah, it's summer so I'm glad everybody gets to have a bit of a sigh of relief, well deserved. Everybody worked so hard this year, students alike, you know, this time we can spend a little more time with our families, a little time with our children and reflect on things. I know not everybody gets off for the whole summer, there's still going to be behind the scenes things that need to get done so we see that as well but it's much appreciated and hopefully can do it at a level that's not quite as high without all the students in the school so I hope everybody gets a little reprieve and a well-needed break and much deserved. So that being said, our next meeting is we will skip next month and that will be our break. It will be held on Tuesday, August 18, 2026 at 5 o'clock p.m. So that being said, is there a motion to adjourn? Motion. And a second? Second. All right. Meeting adjourned.

Welcome to the regular meeting of the Cape Coral Youth Council. Today is June 12, 2026. This meeting will now come to order. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Before we take roll, I just wanted to take a moment to welcome our newly appointed members, Cruz and Francis, from Island Coast High School. Welcome to the Youth Council. We're so happy to have you. And Vice Chair Habash, please call the roll. Thank you, Chair. For late possible members, we have member Nese that is anticipating to be here after roll. For the excused members, we have member Buys, member Echeverria-Campbell, Jacquez, Michalana-Fernandez, Moran, Sanchez, Salimi, and Trulio-Garcia. And for the present members, we have member Cruz, here, member Francis, here, member Jackson, here, Chair Brown, here, member Tuero, here, member Vargas, here, and member Wayne, here, and then member Habash. Perfect. We'll now move on to item four. Item four is guest speakers. There are currently none. So moving on to item five, changes to the agenda. Are there any changes to the agenda? Do I have a motion to adopt the agenda as presented? Aye. Member Jackson, do I have a second? Aye. Habash. Member Jackson made the motion. Member Habash seconded. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motions carried. Item six is review of the meeting notes. Are there any changes to the meeting notes? Chair, Chair, I'm going to stop. Remember, we have two new members, so when you get to each category, you have to explain to them what we're doing ahead of time. So if you don't mind just going back one minute, just explain to them what the changes are and what they can do if they ever have a situation like that. Okay. So in the situation where we ever have to change the agenda , it's basically if something comes up or we have to reorder something if someone has to be here at a certain time, we basically take that opportunity to say, I would like to change the agenda in this way. And if there's no change or you have that change, when I ask for the motion to be adopted, you raise your hand, and then I'll call, I'll say member Francis, then it'll be, is there a second? And the second person raises their hand. So then member Francis made the motion, member Cruz seconded. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Okay? Okay. So for review of the meeting notes, are there any changes to the meeting notes? Do I have a motion to adopt the meeting notes as presented? Aye. Member Francis, is there a second? Member Turo, member Francis made the motion and member Turo seconded. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion's carried. Moving on to item seven, recognitions and achievements. There are currently none. So moving on to item eight, advisor presentations. I will now turn the floor over to liaison last draft. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. First, before I go on, I wanted to introduce my alternate as liaison, Council Member Dr. Derek Donnell. Mr. Donnell, raise your hand. He's teacher, so he speaks your language. He loves children. I do too. But I just wanted to recognize him. If for some reason I'm ever not available and he is, he'll be replacing me up here. But I just want to take a moment and introduce him. So advisor Hayden sadly couldn't be here today, so he asked me to give this report. Normally what he does is talk about kind of council happenings and what's going on on our city council. I would tell you all that the biggest hurdle we are trying to overcome right now is our budget. I think Dr. D would agree with me. We have a lot of changes that we need to make within our city's budget. Many of you may have seen on the news about the property tax reform that could be coming should it be voted on in the city. You've heard, you know, many things, I'm sure, in the media such as, you know, it's not going to be able to pay for services, certain services. It won't be able to support our quality of life in our city. And while some of that is true, I will say that as a council and staff, we are working on reprioritizing our budget. So what does that mean? That means that, you know, our focus as a council, as a group, is always public safety, number one, always about core services. And then the secondary things will be things like, you know, city events that we have. For example, Red, White, and Boom or Bike Night. You know, those may be things that we have to consider as a group to cut back in the next year or two until the economy comes back stronger. We don't know that yet. We're just preparing. Either way, should the bill pass and we do get a reduction in our property taxes, how will that affect our city in particular? Our city is very unique. We are what you call a pre-platted community. So 92% of our tax base, we rely on homeowners. So me, you, your parents, you know, those of us that own homes and we pay what they call ad valorem taxes, our city is 92% ad valorem tax base, which means that only 8% comes from commercial growth. So when you hear things or you hear things from council or you see things on the news about big projects like the Seven Islands or Bimini Basin, those are projects that we have coming on board that will bring that commercial tax base here. And so it's very important as a team, as city leaders, that we look at all aspects and try to balance that tax base a little bit more so that we're a lot less ad valorem reliant. The problem with being a pre-platted community means that we don't have large plots of land to sell commercially to commercial developers. We have to actually piece those together. When this city was founded, it was pre-platted residential land. So none of it was designated for commercial growth or future. So that is why our city is so unique. And you'll hear, you know, people who are concerned about taxes increasing and, oh, I pay so much in my, to the county and to the city with my ad valorem taxes. It's true because when our values go up, so do our taxes. That's not a city thing. That's a property appraiser thing. So right now, I would say our number one priority is our budget. When we are currently on hiatus, so we have a bit of a break, which is nice for the next few weeks. And when we come back, we're going to have to hit that budget pretty hard. We need to get everything sort of researched and decided upon between the eight of us, agreed upon and voted on, so that our budget is ready to go and in place by late August. So stay tuned. Thank you. Thank you, liaison Lastra. So moving on to item nine, we have citizens input. This consists of input of citizens on matters concerning city government, three minutes per individual. The council will listen to all speakers and respond after all speakers have made their presentations. I will now read the pledge of civility. We will be respectful of each other even when we disagree. We will direct all comments to the issues. We will avoid personal attacks. Citizens input is now open. Any members of the public wishing to speak, please use the podium to the left facing the dais and state your name for the record. Hello, everyone. My name is Lexi Skorczak. For those of you that don't know, I was the most recent chair of the Cape Coral Youth Council prior to Chair Brown. And I'm just here today because I wanted to formally wish all of you guys the best of luck in this new term and good wishes. I was not able to make the May meeting because I had other prior responsibilities going on. But I just wanted to have the chance to welcome you all. I want to start this off by saying congratulations to all of the new members. You are all here due to your success and leadership in the community so far. And it is truly such an achievement to just be sitting here on the dais. So I'm already so proud of all of you. Being a part of this council and is an experience like no other, you have the chance to meet so many amazing people, attend unique events, and create projects that make a real impact. The whole thing truly feels like such a blessing. However, the council will only be successful if you guys are there for one another and support each other through all of it. Every project is going to have a lot of moving parts and it is important that you guys are pushing each other to do your best. That is why my biggest advice is that communication is key. Always make sure you're keeping in contact with your chair, your vice chair, all of your advisors. If you need help or just have a question, also make sure to be checking your emails, your text messages, and your backup material. A lot of the times they'll have the information that you're already seeking, so make sure you're up to date. But overall, I just want to say I'm so proud of you guys, especially Chair Brown. Being chair is a large responsibility, but I know you'll be incredibly successful. Good luck to you all and please enjoy every single second. I will be cheering you guys all on from Gainesville. Go Gators. Thank you. Good afternoon, North Youth Council. Derek Donnell, District 3. I just want to pause and say welcome. Congratulations. And thank you for serving. As you all see, Councilmember, your representative, Councilmember Laster, and myself, we are two of eight. So in this room right now, you are looking at 25% of the Council of Cape Coral. And I want to step up here just to kind of dovetail off of what Councilmember Laster started. The seats that you are sitting in here in 2026 is not like me. I'm old. I'm an old relic. And you know that. Have you ever talked to someone and you talk to an older person and they go, well, you know, back when I was in school, you know what I'm talking about. You talk to someone else. Well, what they don't understand is that the world has changed. Someone made a statement over at the lecturing over there one time. And you remember, Ms. Griglin, they said, well, the youth, they really don't know what they're talking about. And I just kind of almost fell out of my seat because you all are huge. You all, the amount of information you have, I'm looking at you all's applications and you all have your grade point averages. So you all are very astute. We need you. We hear you. Your input does not just go aside. What Councilmember Laster said to you is important. This tax bill is important. However people feel about it, what we're asking you to do is what we try to do is to encourage people to be educated and informed on whatever position they take because there's a lot of white noise out there. So you are going to be our mouthpiece as we work together to start with your youth, your inner circle, and have them, and literally the best way to tackle this is what I just did before I came here. Pull out your tax bill and explain to them the impact of what's going on. We're not, not as far as what it's going to do, but what does it look like for your individual house? You can start with your mom and dad. Pull out the tax bill, go through it. Well, this is what it was last year and you can actually see, well, this is what it would have been had this change go in because there's a lot of white noise out there. So in conclusion, you all are important. We need your voice and I do expect, and I'm sure Councilmember Laster expects, and we know you will, that you will be well positioned, you'll be well researched, you will be qualified, you are ready, and you are prepared to help us with this gorgeous city that we live in. Capisce? Thank you very much. Look forward to me working with you. Thank you. Is there anyone else wishing to speak? Seeing none, citizens' input is now closed. We'll move on to item 10, which is the quarterly report. At our last meeting, we discussed the quarterly report. Just as a refresher to our new members, the quarterly report is a presentation made by the Youth Council to our City Council at one of their regular meetings. It typically happens three times during the term and allows us to keep them updated on our projects and accomplishments. We will begin selecting a date for the presentation at our July meeting, so our next meeting, but I would like to let everyone know that the quarterly report calendar was approved at the last meeting. If you would like to review the months in which it will take place, you can find them in your backup materials. So if you go into your backup materials, you can click on the agenda topic and then a link should pop up. You can just scroll down. You can find it. There's one in August, one in December, and one in April. And then if you scroll down, oh, that's it. Never mind. We, for the quarterly report, attendance isn't mandatory, but we would like to have as many members attend as possible, just so we have more people to introduce themselves and discuss everything, and it looks better on our part to have, obviously, better attendance. So that is our quarterly report, and then we'll go over assigning people to the presentation as we get closer. I'm going to stop you for just one minute. I just have to ask the city to answer. Okay. Okay. Just give us two minutes. Okay. Just give us two minutes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. that we would get to a stopping point where, okay, these are our ideas, but we're not gonna be able to vote 'til the next meeting. So the Assistant City Attorney is just double-checking to make sure my numbers are correct, that's why we have him here, that our quorum would really be the ninth person who we don't have right now. So if you could just give us two more minutes, this is where we kinda stand. So this is why, here's a fine example of why attendance is so important. Because now we could get to a stage at the meeting where everybody's here, great, y'all have wonderful ideas, but now our voting takes another meeting out where we can't really do any kind of proper business because everything is held now 'til the next month. - Oh, absolutely. We can just have a meeting. 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We'll have to wait to the next meeting vote. - Okay. - Continue everything, just no voting. - No voting. - No voting. - Thank you. - Perfect. Okay, so moving on to item 11, business. Item 11A is the junior project. So in your bracket material, you can find a description of the junior project. Every year, the junior members on this council vote on a project they will work on over the course of the term. It gives the youth council the opportunity to establish an event or project that will have a lasting impact on the community and improve our collaboration. Last year, the elected project was member Sanchez's movie in the park. On February 13th, earlier this year, the youth council hosted a Valentine's Day themed movie in the park in the attempt to provide more teen-based events in our community. The event was largely successful with roughly over 100 attendees and several hundred dollars raised. So I encourage you all to begin brainstorming ideas so we can vote on the project at the next meeting. So I can open the floor now for discussion on the potential junior project, but I know a lot of our junior members aren 't here. Whoever is here, if you have any ideas, feel free to talk about them because now all our senior members kind of know what we're doing with the project so we can help you. But yeah, go for it. Am I allowed to speak? Of course. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I was thinking, I don't know who's sporty here. Is anyone like does sports? You do sports? Everyone does sports? Someone at least, you guys have done a sport? Okay. Okay. So I was thinking like a field day for the junior project, like either soccer, volleyball, like some way where everyone like from all schools can get like together and do like a competitive like game where it's like both male and female where we all like compete. Even a dodgeball because everyone knows I can get competitive. I can be so much fun. And that's like such a good way to raise money, especially using like the wreck off of Trafalgar Parkway, like we could use that and like a lot of people go there. So promoting it there and also like with volleyball recreation, we can get them involved and promote it. So I think that would be like such a great way to like get the whole community involved because so many kids here play sports and so many kids here are competitive. I play three sports, so I know how it is. And I think having like a field day, depending on like whether the sport is like soccer, volleyball, I think it's just like an amazing like idea. I agree. I like it. I definitely think it would be a good way for all the high schools to kind of bond and get together. So yeah. Remember, you're a junior, right? Remember, Francis? Do you have any ideas? Yeah, go for it. Well, I don't have any ideas in particular. I was asking. Turn on the microphone. But no, I do agree with her idea. A lot of kids around here, they are like involved in sports throughout like various high schools here. And especially some are fairly competitive. So yeah, I do agree with her. That is a good idea. As long as we have something set in motion to get the money and stuff like that. And yeah. I like it. Okay. So you have until next meeting. For all of you who are interested in taking on the responsibility, if you could please write out and explain your idea on a word document. It can be bullet points. It can be a paragraph. You can explain it. It's totally up to you. But please submit it with your backup materials for the next meeting so we have it in our agenda. And we can review it with our members who are absent now. Or they can see it online if they're not here. Do we have any further discussion on the junior project? Okay. Moving on. We have item 11B, the senior project. So similarly, the seniors must also vote on their project for the upcoming term. And a description of the senior project is available in the backup material for those who may need it. It's the same thing as the junior project, just for the seniors. Last year, a movie in the park, I believe, was incredibly successful and so much fun. I know we have considered the continuation of this project, but I am open to any new ideas. So I'll now open the floor for discussion on this year's senior project. Member Vargas? My idea for a senior project was to organize a community breast cancer support event. And we could do a partnership with Pink Divas United, which is a local nonprofit. But I was thinking that the event could be like a pickle ball tournament, and then we could charge for the, like an entry fee to participate. And it could be for the whole community. And then with the money that we raise, we could do like care packages for people who are going through, women who are going through breast cancer. And then we could just contact them through Pink Divas United, like the patients. I love that idea. I think that's a really good idea. I think partnering with a nonprofit would be a really good opportunity for us. Thank you. Is there any further discussion? Member Cruz? I don't have any particular project such as that, but I do think that we could use a community garden. We could maybe use a neglected park in order to grow vegetables, maybe flowers. We could raise money with that. We could have people pay to grow them and also maybe pay to buy them. It could go to any organization, any charity that's necessarily nonprofit in order to give them some support. I like that idea, too. I'm excited. I like both of those a lot. I definitely like the idea of giving to a nonprofit and supporting them. I also just think a community garden is such a fun way to, even for us, to just bond and get together. Yes, Member Jackson. Would that be similar to the Adopt-A-Road? Unsure. I'd have to check the Adopt-A-Road plan. I think an idea like that where we come together and rebuild and maintain a community garden could be beneficial to not only us, but also to the people who wish to see just a prettier Cape Coral. We could possibly do this over different plots of land. I agree with that idea. I think it would be beneficial in that way. I agree. I definitely think it would be a good... I think it would kind of be like Adopt-A-Road in the sense that it would be helping environmental concerns, and especially fresh produce and stuff, and accessibility. But for those of you, again, who are interested in heading this year's project, please do the same thing as the junior members and write it out. Submit it for the next meeting's backup materials. I will send out a to-do list after this meeting to remind everyone. So, these materials will be due Wednesday, July 1st. Just so you know now, is there any further discussion on the senior project? Okay. So, moving on, we have item 11C, Adopt-A-Road Discussion. So, for those of you that are unfamiliar, the Adopt-A-Road refers to the bi-monthly cleanup of a one-mile stretch on Santa Barbara Boulevard North from Pine Island to Tropicana Parkway. For those of you that haven't done so, there is a hold harmless agreement that has been attached in your backup materials under the Adopt-A-Road. Please get that signed as soon as possible to give to Ms. Griglin, because we can't have you participate until your parents sign the form. Our first date is set for July 11th. Members will meet in the parking lot of the William Austin Youth Center, which is near Sunsplash, at 7.30 a.m. And just so I can get a head count now, who believes they will be able to come to the next Adopt-A-Road? Okay. Okay. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. And it shouldn't, it doesn't take too long typically. It's usually the latest. I think we've ended is maybe 8.45, 9 o'clock. Again, I think it's a fun way for us to bond and, of course , help our community. So, moving on to item 11D, we have the School Reach Out Project. Two years ago, former Youth Council member Woodish created this School Reach Out Project. This project aimed to broaden young people's awareness of city government, encourage involvement through voting, and raise awareness of the Youth Council. In the past two terms, we have managed to visit every Cape Coral High School and give this presentation, with the final two, Mariner and Cape High, being done a few months ago. We have discovered that by giving these presentations, we 've increased knowledge of the Youth Council among eligible high school students, and you will find the presentation that we use in your backup materials, so please review it now if you've not already done so. The discussion on this project now regards whether we should continue it, but, of course, we unfortunately cannot vote at this meeting. I will say that I believe it would be beneficial to continue the School Reach Out Project, just so we can maximize awareness and applications. For some schools, it has been two years since they received a presentation, leaving many freshmen and sophomores who will soon be eligible unaware of our existence. I also hope that if we coordinate our presentation dates early enough, we may invite members of the city staff to speak alongside us. This project may be adopted as either the junior or senior project, or it may exist on its own as far as I'm aware. Yes. Okay. So I will now open the floor for discussion, but we can't vote on continuation at this time. So if anyone has any comments on the School Reach Out Project, Amber Habash? I think it would be an amazing idea to continue it. I do think that we should go, if possible, like at the beginning of the year and then towards the end of the year where applications will open because a lot of kids are very like indecisive and they don 't, like they don't really understand what the youth council is about. So giving them an opportunity to figure it out during the school year, at the beginning of the school year, you know, they get an option and an ability to come to the meetings and, you know, see them firsthand here. And I think then when it comes around for the applications are open, it would be a good opportunity. That way we're like, okay, our applications are open. We've talked to you guys about what it is. You know, if you're still interested, you know, you can come up to us. We can help you all and, you know, your application can be put in. So I think it's like a great idea to continue that. I agree. Definitely think doing it right before applications would be the most effective just because then everyone gets the reminder and informed and they can ask us any questions they might have. So I agree. Is there any? Yes, member Cruz. I really enjoyed that idea too. I also think that we should also maybe add during or before winter break so that they also get reminded. So it's not necessarily only just during the start of the school year, which they'll forget along, decide like during the year. And then at the end of the year where they might procrast inate on it and maybe miss the deadline. So they can maybe recall back to during winter break, say, hey, maybe I really do want to do this and pursue the idea. I agree. I think that's a really good idea. Is there any further discussion on the School Reacher Project? Okay. Again, it can be adopted as either the senior or junior project or it can exist on its own, but we will vote on that at the next meeting. So if you have any other comments, feel free to say them at the next meeting too because we'll have discussion then as well. So now we will move on to the strategic initiatives review. In your backup material, you will find our strategic plan and initiatives. This document provides an outline of the Youth Council, including the rules that we must operate by and our goals for each term. Each year, we must edit the strategic plans as rules shift, new members are welcomed onto the council, and new projects are established. I believe it would be extremely beneficial if we tried targeting our junior and senior projects towards the areas we may have lacked in previously, like focusing on collecting data from the youth to serve as better ambassadors because, of course, our primary goal as the Youth Council is to collect data from our peers and present it to the City Council. So that should kind of be a priority of each of our projects just because we want to represent our peers, and that's our best way of doing so. So I'll now open the floor for discussion on edits to the strategic plans and initiatives. Of course, right now, we can't vote to pass them, but if you take notes of your edits, we can talk about them at the next meeting as well. And as you review them even after the meeting and you write them down, we can discuss them again at the next meeting. So does anyone have any edits they believe? I know we have to change the names for everything because it says Chair Scorzak, Vice Chair Brown, so obviously we have to update every name that's in here. Okay. Okay. Okay. So to start, we have where are we going to play? First string, City of Cape Coral. We kind of list our demographics and our target groups. We picked 10 to 14 and 15 to 19 just because those are the two areas we can more so relate to. So we have a couple of different groups that we have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. We have to do with the group. For ages 10 to 14, our goal is to create more spaces for this age group to connect. Hence the Valentine's Day, Moving the Park and 15 to 19 emphasize the opportunities they have in order to advocate for issues that are important to them, which I think we've also kind of done through the school reach out. I definitely think those are two goals that I don't think need to change demographically. And then if you scroll down, there's the demographics of Cape Coral. So just listing what percentage is the demographic that we target towards the 9% of 10 to 19. And then we have race and ethnicity. The second ring, the county environmental issues such as blue-green algae, fires, droughts, hurricanes. I think that the second ring is something that maybe we could improve upon. Even our adopter road goes towards that. So we're going to have this idea to have one of our projects kind of focus around because it's kind of a weaker area. Third ring, youth and social issues. So now we have -- Ms. Griglin, do you want me to go over the external SWAT for Cape Coral or should I just do the youth council? You mean the strengths and weaknesses underneath it? Yeah. Yeah. I would definitely go over it to make sure that everyone's kind of in alignment as to what was chosen. Okay. But once again, does somebody want to add something or does somebody feel that one of those needs to be taken out? Remember, once again, this is the body as a whole. I know you're not voting on it, but going through them, if I trigger somebody's, well, we don't really feel like we don't need that. No, we should add this into it. Absolutely. Okay. Okay. So the external strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats for Cape Coral. Strengths, we have population growth, environment, climate, bigger population, second largest between us in Tampa, quality of life, good public safety, Cape Coral Technical College. Does anyone have anything they think we should add? No? Okay. We have weaknesses as well and plan for growth with insufficient infrastructure. No post K-12 education opportunities within healthcare, only one hospital. Should we update that, Ms. Griglin? Do we still only have one hospital? Well, we currently only have one hospital. Okay. Okay. Then the worst, but we currently standing right now, only one hospital. Okay. Employment opportunities, going down to opportunities. We have college satellite campus, good beach. If anyone sees anything they want to add to opportunities. I know we added volleyball courts, I think, last year after the construction of the new beach courts at one of the parks. So, anyone has anything they want to add to opportunities? No? Okay. Threats for Cape Coral, hurricanes, which result in huge expenses, unplanned for growth, over capacity with healthcare facilities, water scarcity. Water scarcity. Okay. Internal strengths and weaknesses for the youth council. Okay. Internal strengths and weaknesses for the youth council. So, our strengths, we are young leaders from every Cape Cor al High School, which we now have with the addition of our Island Coast members. Creativity, great ideas, communicating, public debate. I don't think there's anything I would really add to strengths, unless we want to add representation from every Cape Coral High School from both grades, not just a diverse group. Now that I believe we have a junior and senior from every high school. Technically we don't. We don't? I believe we do not have a junior. Okay. Okay. We're pretty close, but every school does not have a junior and senior as we anticipated, or at least we hoped. So, we've added numbers from other schools to make up for those, but at least I can say that we have one representation from every high school. From every high school, plus an A at large. Okay. Which is huge. It's really, really huge. I mean, there have been schools that we've just had lack of , so forth, but there could be various reasons as to why. But this year we got very, very lucky and I'm happy and very proud to say that we have representation. So, at least every school can say that we have a member representing them. And once again, it's kind of like what I tell you guys that this is your opportunity for the students from each school to go back and talk to your own schools. I'm not in your schools. Okay. I'm not in the six schools. I could send emails left and right, but you guys are the voices. So, if there's something that you want your school to know about the youth council, then, you know, I'm not pointing you guys out, but I'm, you know, I'm relying on YouTube because you guys go to Island Post. I'm relying on, you know, I'm relying on, you know, member Jackson and the Oasis. You guys are the voices that can go back and tell them all about us. I mean, I said we can send emails. So, that's the whole point of it is that's what's nice about the representation because you guys are our other voices that we can't be in there to talk about. Okay, so, strengths. I don't think I have anything. I can't think of anything to add under strengths unless anyone else can. Yes, member Vargas. I think we can add that we don't have a member for junior and senior from every school to our weakness. If you want to add that. Can you write that down? Okay. Okay. I definitely think inconsistent attendance should stay. Just because I know everyone's schedules, it's always hard for all 17 of us to make it. Opportunities. I can't think of anything. Unless, could we include the NLC conference in opportunities? Sure. Okay. Absolutely. I'm sorry. Chair Brown, would you like to explain to the new members what that means? Yes. Thank you, dear. So, this year we had the incredible opportunity to go to Washington DC to attend the National League of Cities Conference. We, it allowed us to kind of converse with youth councils from across the country. We got to talk to people from Oklahoma. A lot of different states. But, it was just kind of crazy to talk to other councils and realize how differently they're all run. Because I think our professionalism and our, like our scripts and our motions, it's such a unique thing because not a lot of them have that. A lot of the times it's more of a club than an actual council. So, getting to talk to people from across the country was incredible as well because you got to talk about the different regional issues that they kind of cover. I know that we talked to some people, I believe, from, I don't know if it was Texas, but they had, they had AI built , like every, there was so much being constructed that it was, pollution was going up a lot and they were struggling with environmental concerns. So, that was kind of crazy because I feel like that's something that I, I mean, at least I haven't really seen here. So, a lot of issues like that. We got to visit the Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, Martin Luther King Memorial. We got to tour the Capitol, the White House. That was an incredible experience. I'll never forget that. Getting to go underneath the Capitol was crazy too. To go see everything underground. It's like this hole, they have like the train. So, it was just, it was such a wonderful experience and I hope that we can do it again. So, I think that that would be considered an opportunity because even for us, it was an opportunity for all of us to converse and I know we all got a lot closer from that trip. So, I think that that would be a good thing to put under opportunities because I hope to repeat it again this year. Um, yeah. I look forward to doing that if we do do it. And then threats, lack of time due to business schedules, other academic activities. Um, do we believe that we should get rid of improving social media exposure? Because I think that we did a much better job at staying on social media this year than in previous years. So, I think maybe taking that off threats because I think that would be more so of an opportunity now. Um, later with that. Okay. So, down to core values, who we are and how we treat others . I don't think that should really change. Um, mission statement. Of course, going into like strategic initiatives, people were going to change everything. So, it would be like Vice Chair Bosch and Chair Brown. Um, we don't have a backup communications director or anything yet. So, we can't change everything. Um, I can't think of anything else just scrolling through the rest of it that we should alter edit. But if you go through this at a later time and you find something and you're like, oh my gosh, I think we should change this. Please write it down or even just send it to me and I'll write it down and then we can discuss it at length next meeting. So, I think that's our strategic plans and initiatives. Um, okay. Moving on to item 11F, which is communications director vac ancy and backup communications director vacancy. So, last term we had Ambraelle Clixdy, who served as our communications director, updating Youth Council's social media pages and posting about all of our events. Because she is now graduated, we must find a new communications director. So, I invite you all to review the application draft in your backup materials. If we find anything we should remove or add, feel free to discuss it now. Of course, we can't vote to approve the application because we don't have a majority. So, if you take a look in your backup materials and you see anything that you think we should add, just take note of it and then I guess we'll discuss it at the next meeting. Okay. Changes don't need to be voted on. Changes were just told and then I can update the application. Okay. Okay. Changes don't need to be voted on. Changes were just told and then I can update the application. Okay. I don't see anything that I would change. I feel like unless we take out number seven, the professional summary where they have to indicate if they've had any relevant skills or qualifications or achievements. I feel like we should keep that in there just because I think social media is such a prevalent thing now that some people might have an example of like a large success in doing it. I think that's my only edit unless anyone else has anything . No? Okay. Moving on to, oh, first we will vote for our backup communications director at the next meeting. Right? Explain to the members what a backup communications director is. Okay. So, in addition to finding a new communications director, we will also need a member of our council to serve as the backup communications director. Our backup communications director will assist in posting on social media should our communications director be unav ailable. So, if any members are interested in the position, can they speak about it now, Ms. Rueglen? Sure. They can certainly highlight it. You know, that way everybody can see it. But, you know, they can also, if they want to put as backup materials as why they would want to be, that's another option. And then we'll give them the opportunity to discuss it. Okay. So, if anyone would like to be the backup communications director, you are able to speak now. But if you would prefer doing it at the next meeting when we are able to vote to acquire a member for that position, then I totally understand. No? Okay. Perfect. So, for those of you that are interested, but obviously weren't previously aware, you have the time to write a speech or just write why you think you'd be good in the role. Okay. Chair Brown? Yes. I think that's the last meeting, Ms. Rueglen, you can put this in the notes, that maybe we could do with yourself, the vice chair, and whoever is the communications director along with the vice. And the four of you and myself and maybe Ms. Rueglen, we can put together a posting calendar to kind of address what you stated earlier, which is you felt like we could have a bigger presence. And I feel like if we get ahead of what we know we need to post, then it won't be such a scramble. Do you know what I mean? Okay. I agree. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. That's perfect. Can I add to that? Yes, of course. I agree with like the whole idea as well. I think also when it comes to like that calendar, we should like also make it when it comes to the social media, make it make sure straightforward. So like, even though there's a lot to say, there's a lot to say just to keep it straightforward because a lot of times kids normally, they have a short attention span. So, you know, they're going to look at the main big words and then keep scrolling. So I think when it comes to the social media and then whoever is the communication director, that we should definitely talk to them and say like, when it comes to like the main important dates or like topics, we should just keep it like straightforward. I agree. I also think something that might be helpful is branding. Because I feel like we have a color scheme, we have like our blue and our yellow. And I feel like if we stick to that, it's just a stronger presentation, just so everything's cohesive on our page as well. I think that's something I noticed last year where I was like, it might be helpful if we, even if we have an event, if we have like a color scheme for that event, kind of sticking to it and just making sure our branding is emphasized. And I also wanted to say, when it comes to posting, I think we should also have like an idea, like a bullet, like points of like reels. Because a lot of times people are scrolling on reels and you know, they don't, they see the post only if they really open up the page. And then having the opportunity to have reels, people can be scrolling and then go upon our own videos. And usually people get more interactive into a page when it 's something funny, something that they can relate to, something that's like, they're like, oh, wow, like that seems interesting. So I think this year, I was hoping like with the communication director that we can get involved more into reels because we could just come up with like trendy ideas and then post those. And then a lot of times kids are like, that looks fun. Like, so when it comes to the senior project and junior project to promote it, I think reels would be like a good way to be able to promote it all throughout like social media. So then why don't we do this? I have a, a mentee, someone that I mentor, a young, younger woman than me, who is a genius at this stuff. So why don't I ask her if she'll participate in our smaller committee meeting, if you will. And then she can give us some guidance on what you just said, Vice Chair Habash. And that way we can outline it together with the two leadership positions and then you guys can report back to the rest of the group. Does that work? Yes, sounds good. Okay, I'll work with Ms. Griglin to get that scheduled. It'll have to be on a Saturday. So, okay. Thank you. Okay, perfect. So yes, of course, if anyone would like to run for backup communications director at the next meeting, take this, even if you write down ideas for posts as well as just we can generate more, I'll have that ready by the next meeting . Okay, so moving on to item. Chair, chair, chair. Sorry. I would like to add one thing if somebody is good and willing to assist me. Obviously, if we vote on the application next meeting, which we should be able to, then obviously this is our first chance of able to post it with a flyer. Is anybody good at making a flyer who would be willing to assist me in looking for communications director? Remember Cruz? Perfect. If you can just have that, you know, rough drafted, you and I can talk behind the scenes and email if you have any questions, but just make sure that I have it before the backup material, which I'll email you when that date is. And then that way we could put it as part of the backup material. And at the same time, then the members can look at it and vote on it. And then that way we've got the application. We have a flyer. Everything's ready to go. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So now moving on to item 11 G is the city council meeting discussion on May 20th, the city council hosted their regular meeting, which member Jackson attended. So I'll now give the floor over to you to discuss your notes. So I have some very brief notes based on last meeting. And if you'd like a larger description of them, do say so after I finish. So we start with the admin and projects, which is the fleet maintenance, which was a long back and forth on construction with the MGMT contract. The council voted it down in the end, as well as street sweeping, which is a multi-year contract approved. And also is looking at bundling the median landscaping contracts together, as well as JC Park, which took up most of the time of the meeting. It went through the concessionary term sheet, hours, revenue split, who pays for it, and the community pushback on the $18 million price tag. We also have the zoning and ordinance, which is ordinance 22 through 26 and 23 and 26, which is zoning request. And they both went through as well as ordinances 17 through 26 and 19 and 26, which is code updates on fences, walls, and how approvals get processed. We have ordinance 27 through 26, which are for capital improvements pushed to a later date, which needed more review. We have the public comments, which were residents that came up with concerns, mostly about spending, where the money's going, and getting access to public owners. The city manager covered the switch to enter gov for perm itting and the upcoming Tropicana Park ribbon cutting, which is May 20th, 29th, which already passed. Can I say something, Chair? I'm sorry. Of course you are. So, in member Jackson's defense, that was a bit of a different meeting. We sadly had a resident who, halfway through the meeting, made some pretty inappropriate outbursts. And the mayor actually, I called what you call a point of order, which is a situation where you stop and you point out what the point of order is, which was a major disturbance with a very unhappy resident. And as a result, the mayor called a recess. And so, in member Jackson's defense, the meeting got a little bit off track. So, I just want to point that out there. He did ask me during recess if he should leave, and I said yes. Please leave. I was just concerned as, you know, the resident was very upset and our law enforcement for having to manage him, and I didn't want this young man in the midst of all of this. So, I actually had a policeman escort him to his vehicle. So, hopefully our next meeting won't be like that, whoever comes. And in the future, if any of you need help putting together your notes to give that report back, I'm happy to sit with you and do that. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate you, member Jackson, for going out and taking the notes for us and just bringing it back to inform us. Our goal with this initiative is essentially to become more engaged in local government and stay informed. So, as voted each month, a member will be responsible for watching the City Council meeting and reporting back to us. I do want to emphasize that you do not have to be present at the meeting. They are available on the City's YouTube account and they can be watched from your home. So, in your backup materials, you can find this year's meeting schedule as well as a table where we can delegate the responsibility of recording these meetings. Our May meeting members, Jackson Habash, Michalina Fern andez, and myself volunteered to assist in these notes. So, if there are any other members that are available to help or those members just named, if you want to look at the table and find what dates you're free, just to establish whatever date you want to be responsible for now, I would greatly appreciate it. I know, let me look at my calendar. Keep scrolling down. It's like the date of the regular meeting and volunteer on the other side. I can attend the August 26th one. I believe now we have more members than meetings, so each of us should only have to do one. So, if you want to pick whatever date works for you. I said I was available for the next one. Should I? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I need to research my future calendar for any attendances. Okay, perfect. And you can let me know after the meeting too, if you want to wait until then. Feel free to text me or email me, and I'll write it down as well. I just want to add something. I feel like this is a good educational point in the meeting to talk about it. So, when Member Jackson went over the zoning and ordinances , when the ordinances, just so you guys understand what the numbers mean, the ordinance is not the year that the ordinance was established. So, when it says ordinance 22-26, it doesn't mean it's ordinances through those numbers. The last numbers is always the year that the ordinance was established. You would not know that. That's why I'm saying it's an educational tool. It's not to try to, you know, mess you up or anything or say it wrong. And the number is obviously the next ordinance that was approved. So, if we're on ordinance 23-26, the next ordinance is approved would be 24-26. Okay. So, just, it's just a learning educational tool. Good way to teach you guys a little bit more about what the city council does. Thank you, Ms. Greglin. As far as picking dates goes, I know a lot of our members aren't here right now. So, again, if you want to check your calendars later, just feel free to email me, text me, and just let me know what date you would like to be responsible for. So, moving on to item 11-H, the Hurricane Expo debrief. On Saturday, May 30th, members Jackson, Jax, Morgan, and I attended the annual Hurricane Expo at the German American Social Club. In your backup materials, you'll find images from the Hurricane Expo, and I would now like to turn the floor over to the attendees to debrief on the event. Okay. So, basically, at the Hurricane Expo, we, I remember Morgan and I got to sit at the table and we handed out, I think they were kids' kits. They had crayons, stickers, fidget toys, and then we had coloring books and sticker pages. And they were basically, in the event of emergency or evacuation, if kids have to stay occupied just to reduce anxiety or even just boredom. They were just things that we could hand out to citizens to give to their grandchildren, their children, and just to keep them occupied. And then, member Jackson. I volunteered to go to the presentation area of the Hurricane Expo, in which I was a runner for fetching people to present on time, as well as handing out their prize, which was just a mug with some things in it. Yeah. So, I think it was super fun. I think it was a good way to bond with everyone there, just to get to know everyone for the start of our new term. So, moving on to item 11i, we have our DC trip. So, this previous spring, the Youth Council had the incredible opportunity to attend the National League of Cities Conference in Washington, D.C. I believe I speak for all attending members when I say it was one of the most amazing trips I've ever been on. Not only were we able to meet Youth Councils from various states, but we had the opportunity to tour the White House, the Capitol, the National Archives, and visited the Smithsonian Museum of American History. We got to visit a number of monuments, like the Lincoln Memorial, the Martin Luther King Memorial, and the Washington Monument. It was also an incredible bonding experience, allowing us to get to know each other off of the dais and grow even closer. It is my hope to visit DC once again this year and offer that same opportunity to our new members, as well as the seniors who may have been unable to attend last term. To attend this trip, we raised over $25,000 for each member 's attendance fee, which included airfare and hotel. So, by a show of hands, how many members would be interested in attending the 2027 NLC Conference in Washington, D.C.? Okay, perfect. Yeah. Chair Brown? So, I just wanted to go over very quickly what we raised so that everybody understands and how we did it. Do you maybe want to explain some of the fundraisers that you guys hosted that contributed to this? So, let me just tell you right now, we raised a total of $ 26,071.73 and we spent a total of $21,155.36. So, we have a little bit of a surplus of $4,916.37. So, average price last year per person, which included air fare, hotel, food, and it is expensive to eat in D.C. I mean, we ate good, but it was expensive. But the cost, average cost per person is about $2,115.00. And that is everything included. So, there are 17 of you, so multiply that times 2115 and that's how much we would have to raise. And we could do that through many vehicles. I think if you guys are interested, if you want to talk about the kickoff we did maybe and then the events and then explain to them. And then, you know, we can kind of go from there, you know, maybe at your next voting meeting and start planning some of these things. Okay, perfect. So, our first big fundraiser last year was our meet and greet. So, basically we all got to go to Nice Guys Pizza and we had invited as many citizens as possible. And it was just, it was more so to spread awareness for what we wanted to raise money for. So, we had QR codes on the table to, we made a GoFundMe. So, we had QR codes to our GoFundMe on all the tables. And then, a lot of our members got up and spoke and we spoke about our junior project, our senior project, our obviously the trip to DC. And just kind of gave everyone there an introduction to Youth Council and our goals and why we wanted to go to DC. And I believe that was pretty successful. And then we had obviously our GoFundMe. And that was more so for members themselves to kind of go out and find people that were willing to donate. I know we also got, I believe we got grants from Kiwanis. And did we get Rotary Ms. Griglin? Yes. So, we will reapply for those as well. And those were incredibly helpful. Those are two organizations locally. 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So I think that would be a good thing to start. Soon this year. Yeah. So what we'll do is. You know when you have a. Hopefully at your next meeting. We can get a show of hands. And see who's interested in being on the smaller committee. It was just a lot easier to work with. You know 10 or 12 of you. To sort of organize each one of the events. That you all want to do. You know for example. If your field day gets approved. And we sell tickets. You know we want to. We want to work with you. Like simultaneously. And put you in contact with. You know our parks and recs director. So that we can kind of. Lay out each of the road maps. If you will. So you'll have your overarching goal. And then we'll get. We'll get to those road maps. So we'll kind of figure out. What fundraising events. We want to do. And overall what your projects will be. And we'll lay all that out. And then. Whoever is at that fundraising. Committee meeting. Can then communicate it out. To the rest of you. Perfect. So. Even if you want to. Write down ideas. For the next meeting. For backup material. That would be greatly. Appreciated as well. Just so we can start. Planning everything. I know. I'm sure a lot of you. Have some incredible. Fundraising ideas. And I would love to hear them. If you could submit that. With your backup materials. For the next meeting. That would be. Fantastic. And then. We can move on. To. Item 12. Next meeting agenda topics. And. I think we should. Let me look. Sure. I know it's not. Self-explanatory. But. I think we should. Sure. I know it's not. Self-explanatory. But. Okay. So. Our next meeting agenda. Topics. Basically. I'll take this as. What. We no longer. Have to discuss. Like. The hurricane expo. Debrief. Because it already happened. And we just debriefed on it. We don't really have to discuss it. At the next meeting. So I won't include it. In the next meeting agenda topics. Whereas. The junior. Senior project. Adopter road. All of those things. That are still relevant. I'll keep. Items. A. Through. F. And. A. Through. G. As. Well. As. Item. I. So. Do I have a motion to adopt. Items. A. Through. G. With the addition. No. A. Through. G. And. Item. I. For the next meeting held. I. Second. Member Vargas. Member Cruz made the motion. Member Vargas seconded. Any discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Oh that's right. Okay. So moving on. Item 13 is reports. I will now open the floor for any reports from youth council members. There are no reports at this time. So I'll move on to item 14 reports of the council liaison and advisors. I'll move on to item 14. Thank you. I just. Again. Want to thank Dr. D. My. My. Council. Teammate. He actually sits right next to me. We sit right over there. And. Thanking him for coming and participating. And. I'm hoping that he will be able to support us at some of our upcoming events and bring people and bring kids. To enjoy. And I just want to say again I'm very honored to be your liaison and if DC is your goal. We'll make it happen. Right. Miss. Greg Glenn. We will make it happen. So. But I will need all of your help. So you can talk to Camilla. You can talk to chair Brown. And some of the others that were here last year that aren't here today. And they'll tell you how much they enjoyed it and how much work we had to do to get us there. But if that's your goal. I will commit to helping you every step of the way. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. I will commit to the next meeting. 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So that is also why you need to check in your emails daily. Those need to be completed. If they are not completed, guess who gets bombarded? I do. They are saying that your certain members have not completed it. So you need to make sure that you are checking your trainings. Also, the week of the meeting. At the very latest, it would be a Wednesday. I try to do it early. If I get everybody's backup material. But you need to be clicking on the links that I am giving you to go look up the backup material. We should not be reviewing the backup material when you guys are up there. Why? You are holding up the rest of the meeting. The backup material is meant to be researched before the meeting. There is a reason I put it in there. There is a reason to check your calendar so everybody is not scrounging and looking, "Well, I am not available." Okay? So if you are not being able to access it, you need to let me know. Otherwise, I assume everybody is going in there and looking at their backup material. Okay? Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to item 15, time and place for future meetings. The next regular meeting of the Cape Coral Youth Council is scheduled for Friday, July 10, 2026 at 3:00 PM in council chambers. Do I have a motion to adjourn this meeting? That's right. That's right. Okay, do I just say the meeting is now adjourned? Okay. The meeting is now adjourned.

Welcome to the budget workshop of the City Council. Today is June 4th, 2026. This meeting will now come to order. I'm beginning our meeting today. The mayor had a meeting this morning that he's running late getting back for, but we won't delay today's proceedings. So if you would please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Yes, Your Honor. Before I call the roll, I would like to announce that Mayor Gunter and Council member Long will be arriving after roll call and I will mark them so. Mayor Pro Tem Steinke? Here. Council Members Donnell? Here. Here. Hadouk? Here. Here. Delain? Here. Lastra? Here. Leh man? Here. Sixth present and two excused. Thank you. Item four is citizens input time. Uh, citizens input time is a maximum of 60 minutes set forth for input of citizens on matters concerning the city government. Three minutes per individual, 60 minutes total time. Anyone wishing to speak? Uh, should have filled out a comment card by now. Um, uh, Madam Clerk, do we have any cards for citizens input? We're collecting them. Just one moment, please. Okay. Okay. Okay. Good morning. Uh, good morning. Tom Shadrach. Uh, thanks for y'all being here. It's going to be, I hope, a great discussion. Special in light of the property tax reform that's, uh, most likely going to pass. Uh, you could, uh, go on the calculator that was put out by the state to see how much it would save on my property. Uh, you just type in your address and it gives you a number, uh, $3,200 a year in tax savings for me. Now that's not just Cape Coral. That's across Lee County, the Mosquito Board, all that stuff. It would be reduced by that. Uh, but it gives me an idea that if I have that much money that I'm not paying in taxes and we've always talked about user fees, you know, paying for services, growth, paying for growth. So, um, just if I got $3,200 extra and I know our user fees are subsidized by 60% usually because we've got tax money. So maybe all these user fees and Inc. PAC fees need be substantially increased now that residents have that money. Now, if I want to use the golf course, uh, which I am a golfer, I don't mind paying more that I've got $3,200 more in my pocket now, whereas the city's not necessarily subsidizing that and they can start building revenue, um, for their, you know, for future endeavors too. So those fees should go up. Maybe the pickleball also doubles their fees so they can start planning for growth. Uh, now that they've got more money in their pocket for those people that use that probably something to look at really strong here today on all our user fees because revenue has got to start. People got to start whatever they're using. There's no more subsidies. They got to start paying for what they're using. And we got a lot of city property, even even changed the structure where you've got, uh, the courts, maybe lease that facility. It starts generating a tax revenue as a commercial entity. And then those fees would pay for itself as well. So same as the golf course, lease the facility, it becomes a tax revenue generator as a commercial property, and it becomes a profitable endeavor that just pay. We just get a revenue share, no risk, all these properties that we have, and maybe, you know, it's even talked about the yacht club selling it just like, make it the Westin hotel area, the Cape Harbor area. Beautiful, privately run, profitable areas, and a, and you know, a great thing for service to our citizens. So I think we really got to look at maybe even leasing or the entire property or selling the yacht club to make it a revenue generator. And that would be a taxable entity then and really help ourselves as a commercial entity. We talk about getting commercial entities. We got to look at all these products that we have that we pay for that could generate revenue that we could lease. Thank you. Other things too to come. Thank you. Any other cards or any other citizens wishing to speak? No more cards, sir. Thank you. Seeing none, citizens input is now closed. Turn the gavel back over to the mayor. Okay. Thank you very much. I'll open it up for any council discussion for citizens input. Okay. Seeing none, we will move on to item five is business . 5a is the summer budget workshop, and I will turn it over to the city manager to start with. Thank you, mayor. Good morning, council. A lot to talk about today and a lot to unpack. I'm going to just summarize our journey for today. We're going to start off our discussion like we did the past several years. We're going to look at where the general fund request came in, what the department heads had asked for. But along that journey this year, it's important to unpack the entire general fund. And we've done that in several different ways. We've done it by categories of expense personnel operating debt transfers. We looked at personnel operating capital. And as we're going through those discussions, I want you to keep in the back of your mind the property tax reform proposal. So it is what it is today , but I need you to be mindful of where we might wind up in order to see that there really is no way to trim to a number that large. And you'll be able to see that it is going to take whole scale eliminations to get to that number or let's fast forward to the end of the discussion. A whole new way of thinking about how to fund local government. And we are going to propose to you a way to do that that fits within the statute, fits within the legal framework that we have available to us, and show you we do not need to reduce anything, but that would be a choice that the city council needs to do. So we are going to start with kind of where we are keeping in mind that that is back there showing you that there really is. And I'll let me pick on last night, you know, if we want to stop the enhanced code enforcement, that's 200,000. You need, you know, several hundreds of those throughout the budget, stopping all those. And so what you wind up doing is making the programs ineffective. And but eventually what you're doing is you're still short and need to basically eliminate it. So, but when we get to the end, you will see we've kind of repackaged the new framework on how to think about how to budget in local government and let the community know and let the employees know, the businesses, the taxpayers. There is a way to keep doing what we have. But that is going to take some new mindset and some new thought process on how we how we move forward. So with that, I will turn it over to our finance department and allow them to to start the presentation. Good morning, Mayor and Council. Nicole Reitler, Deputy Financial Services Director. Today, I'm going to walk you through our annual summer budget workshop. Thank you for joining us. Over the next two days, we're going to provide you with information on your fiscal year 2027 requested budget. Some intro, including some of the latest updates from our property appraiser. We'll discuss departmental needs and we'll go over the plans for the future for the city. Each year, I like to begin by taking a moment to highlight our city's vision and mission. Two of these strategic points that drive the development of our budget each year. Our vision is that Cape Coral will thoughtfully grow into a vibrant and inclusive community that encourages residential character, creates economic opportunity and ensures respect for its unique environment. And our mission is to provide services and resources that enhance the quality of life for those who live, learn, work and play in our city. Today's schedule includes an overview of our budget development process and an introduction into your fiscal year 2027 requested budget. We will be focusing on our general fund and including an in -depth breakdown of key expenditures. We will walk through general fund revenues focusing on ad valorem and updates from our property appraiser. We have summary highlights on the proposed property tax relief, followed by a discussion on debt. Departmental directors will walk you through their fiscal year 2027 request and then we will wrap up the day with a discussion on funding and council direction. Departmental directors will be focusing on the budget and the budget. And we will be focusing on the budget process and we will be focusing on the budget. As we begin the budget process each year, it's important to note policy number one. For the city's financial policies each year, we must have a structurally balanced budget. Structural balance commits us to develop and maintain a budget where current revenues equal current expenditures in the current and our forecasted years. By striving for achieving and maintaining structural balance, it provides the city with the ability to provide high quality services for residents and meet the needs of the city. Budget development for fiscal year 2027 began in November of 26. As part of this process, staff conducted a comprehensive evaluation of key components, including our asset management program focusing on strategic plan initiatives. We reviewed prior year forecasts, identified changes in personnel and operating expenditures, as well as analyzed current and projected revenues in order to build a comprehensive requested budget. For fiscal year 2027, the total all funds requested budget is $1,504,837,279. This does not include all program modifications that have been submitted by departments for increased personnel, operating, or capital. Program modifications previously known as supplementals are requests that departments submit during the budget process that represent a change in programming or need of the budget. The 2027 general fund requested budget is at $279,115,077, not including all program modifications. The fiscal year 27 proposed budget maintains our courage millage rate at $5.1471 for the general operations, based on July 1st taxable values. The budget does include an 81% cost recovery through the fire service assessment and proposes utility rate adjustments, including 11% for water and sewer rates that have been previously approved, 4.49% for stormwater, and a 5% increase in solid waste. The total program modifications requested by departments for the general fund is at $5.7 million, and for all funds is at $180.8 million. The fiscal year 2027 requested budget is broken out by fund group. Expenditures are allocated into fund groups to ensure accountability, transparency, and compliance based on the source of the revenues and any restrictions that may exist for the spend of those revenues. The total overall budget for the general fund is at $1.5 million, and the chart shows the changes by fund group from our fiscal year 2026 adopted and amended through our 2027 through 29 requested budgets. The city's 2026 amended budget shows that we have 2071.27 F TEs, not including our charter school or our CRA. During the development of the 2027 budget requested positions, 28.93 additional positions were added. Those positions were included based on need or had been previously included in departmental staffing studies or master plans. Those positions include for parks and rec, two park rangers , and 5.93 contract staff positions for summer camps. Within public works, we have 10 additional facilities positions. As the city continues to grow and additional facilities are added, staffing needs to be increased and additional personnel added in order to maintain those facilities. For stormwater, based on their previous rate studies, six additional positions were added. For solid waste, an administrative assistant was added. And lastly, for water and sewer, based on their staffing study, four additional positions were added. We do have an additional 97 positions requested from departments on top of the 28.93 we have added. The chart before you breaks out the additional 97 positions that have been requested by departments. As you can see, we have, for the city auditor, a reclass. Within the city clerk, a senior customer service rep. For our development services, they're requesting two additional positions and business systems analyst. And it's split between the building fund and the general fund. And then they're also asking for a construction inspector. Within fire, they're requesting 14 additional positions, including a rescue unit for four and four firefighters. Parks and rec. They're requesting one additional maintenance tech for the TDC. Within police, they're requesting an additional 34 positions, including 24 police officers. Public works has an additional 45 positions requested. That does go between the general fund, the stormwater fund, fleet maintenance fund, and the CIP project management fund . And each of those range from various crews to operators, laboratory techs, mechanics, engineers, and construction inspectors. All of these were requested based on upcoming and future needs that departments had expressed during the development process. The city manager's requested general fund operating budget for 2027 is $279,115,077 at a requested millage rate of 5. 1471 mils. Revenue projections follow the city's financial policy number two on revenue estimates. And they include ad valorem taxes, conservatively budgeted at 96% of our total levy. Other revenues currently budgeted at 95% of projected estimates include our state shared revenues, franchise fees , public service taxes, and our 5.06 gas taxes. We are reviewing those overall estimates at the 95% and will be potentially presenting an increase from 95% to 98% in the future. But for this year, for our requested budget for 2027, the revenues are in there at 95%. The city's financial policies emphasize prudent expenditure management to maintain fiscal stability. Policy number three states that expenditures should be carefully controlled to ensure each fund maintains a positive cash balance or surplus at the end of the fiscal year. This approach promotes long-term financial health and pres erves the city's ability to fund future needs and respond to unforeseen circumstances. During the budget process this year and due to overall increases in cost of the board, both departments and staff focused heavily on budget to actuals and evaluated all expenditure lines in depth to ensure that we are forecasting only the needs of the department. The development of the personnel budget began back in February where departments validated their existing FTEs and provided updates on any changes or requests for future years. The personnel budget is then updated and recorded into the budget at a given point in time. It's important to note that any changes after the upload of the personnel budget are not included in the final budget other than the addition of any additional FTEs throughout the budget process or any changes to union contracts that may impact the bottom line. For personnel services from 26 amended to 2027 we see a 7.1 % increase. This is reflective of union contract increases as well as any additional personnel that were added during the budget process. Operating expenditures are carefully reviewed to ensure financial sustainability and alignment with community needs . Projected costs account for factors such as growth and inflation with adjustments made to reflect program or departmental changes. Fiscal 2027 requested operating is 4.05% higher than our 20 26 amended. Each year we review all capital as phase one of our development of the budget. Our budget team works with each department to update and ensure that their capital requests on their AMP are inclusive of all their needs as well as all the costs associated with maintaining the department. Capital will go up and down depending on any new capital projects that are added each year which will drive expenditures to rise and fall over the forecasted years. The charts on the slide illustrate the distribution of revenue sources that contribute to the general fund. The largest portion of general fund is ad valorem taxes that account for 59.7% of general fund revenue in fiscal year 2027. For a total of 165 million 92,423. This reflects a significant reliance on property tax collections. All other revenues total 111 million of our total budget for 2027. Some notable revenue streams include our public service tax which represents 5.64% of total revenue. Local half-cent sales tax at 8%. Internal service charges at 7.69% Franchise fees at 4.17% And our municipal revenue sharing at 3.87% On Friday afternoon we received the June 1st property appra iser values. During the development of the budget we forecasted a 4.5% increase in values from the property appraiser. However, the estimates in June have come in at 2.34% resulting in a deficit of 3,067,604. Combined with our existing deficit of 2,601,131, the general fund has a total deficit of 5,668,735 at this point for 2027. It's important to note that these values and projections will change once we receive our July 1st values and pending any changes or adjustment that council requests or makes to the 2027 budget that deficit will either increase or decrease. Jumping over to our 2027 proposed general fund expenditures . During the development of the budget departments took a strong approach to hold the line from forecasted to requested. Every contract was reviewed, expenditure lines drilled down into, and service levels reviewed for efficiencies. As you can see in the chart, forecasted to requested shows a $59,000 decrease. The chart on the side of the slide shows the departments focus on expenditure validation and their commitment to providing the best estimates based on their departmental needs. Each department director will walk through their requested budget more in depth later today and can provide you with some further detail. But I think it's important to note that overall we did have a decrease from our forecast to requested. The chart on the chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget that we received in the budget. The chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget that we received in the budget. The chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget that we received in the budget. The chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget. The chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget. The chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget. The chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget. The chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget. The chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget. The chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget. The chart shows the number of the budget that we received in the budget. Next, we're going to review a series of expenditure analysis charts. These charts are intended to provide council with several different perspectives on the city's spending patterns and financial commitments. As part of the annual budget development process, staff examines expenditures from multiple viewpoints to better understand how resources are being allocated across the city. Looking at expenditures through different groupings and categories allows us to identify trends, evaluate spending priorities, assess operational efficiency , and ensure that our resources are aligned with the city's strategic roles and service commitments. No single chart tells the complete story. Each chart highlights a different aspect of the city's expenditures and provides additional context to support informed policy discussions and our budget decisions. Together these analysis help staff understand not only where funds are being spent, but also how these expenditures support the delivery of service to our residents. They're designed to facilitate discussion and provide transparency into the city's financial operations as we continue evaluating priorities for our upcoming fiscal year. The first chart before you is our general fund expenditures by category. So when we build our budget, we build our expenditures into various categories. We group them on our chart. So our first category is our personnel that is our largest category. This chart is focusing strictly on the general fund. So out of the $279 million in expenditures for fiscal year '27, $162 million is personnel costs. Our operating costs are at $75 million with transfers out representing $32 million and our capital at $8.6 million. So this is where I want to jump. I'm going to start jumping in on each one of these slides to just kind of set the stage for the reform that we're looking at, the proposals, the tax reform. So consider $47 million. So we would have to wipe out all transfers and capital and then an additional $7 million of operating. Or we would have to wipe out over 50% of all the operating expenses if we wanted to keep all the employees and pay our debt. So we would have to wipe out all the employees and pay our debt, which means they would have nothing to work with. No contracts, paper. I mean, because as you'll see when we go through this, a good portion of that personnel is in public safety, which we know we can't reduce further than 5%. So then the only other option to get $47 million is to take it all from personnel and 90 of that being protected, you 're left with grabbing basically the entire what's left of the city. So just this one chart can show you the magnitude of what we're talking about in the general fund. As I said last night, respectfully, this is not a $200,000. Go find 20 of those and we're going to be okay. This is massive. And this chart and the next several are intended to show you across categories, across programs, across departments, across expense divisions, you'll start to see the magnitude . So just in this one, run through the exercise of where do you find that kind of revenue. Thank you. Yes, Council Member Stonkey. Mr. City Manager, your remarks are under the assumption that we manage this only from an expense side, not from a revenue side. Yes, we're going to do the revenue side at the tail end. So I want to kind of set the stage of looking at all of our expenses, right? Because on one end, what we're talking about is let's just go right to the bottom and manage this from an expense side . On the other end, you have let's manage this from a revenue side and find ways to stay solvent. And then there's any variation combination of those in between. So we're going to start with the expense side. Then we're going to shift later on on the revenue side to show how we can do it. And then there's any option in between. And so for the public's sake, while when this tax reform was initially spoken about, a lot of our local legislators and our local delegation committed to bringing a revenue neutral change. To bring a revenue neutral change would have been a reduction in expenses and a reduction in property tax, but a replacement with other revenue sources. In the legislation that's been brought forward that will be on the ballot, are there any revenue replacement accommodations in that legislation? No. So all of that revenue replacement would then be expected at the municipal level, at the city level, not bring forward in our state legislation. Correct. It's on us. The what if or how we're going to solve portion of the equation of the choice being presented is on us. So the promise of a revenue neutral proposal was not fulfilled. No, sir. Okay. Thank you. Another way to look at our expenditures, we can go ahead and break it down by department. So the chart before you shows expenditures by department for the general fund. So at the top, you can see we have our police department at $94 million, dropping down to our government services at $ 58 million. Sometimes government services can be confusing. It kind of encompasses a lot of items. So some of the key expenditures in there is things like our self-health insurance plan, our on-behelf pension payments, interfund service payments, our transfers out are sitting there, building maintenance, and then some of our assessment betterment impact fees. Then we go down into our parks and rec at $35 million, public works at $25 million, fire at $18 million. This represents the transfer out to the fire operations fund. This is the 19% that is general fund share. Information technology at $14 million, development services at $11 million, financial services at $5 million, city manager at $4 million, city attorney at $3.8 million, HR at $3.1 million, city clerk at $2.5 million, auditor at $1.6 million, and the city council at $1.1 million. For our total budget of $279 million. So on this chart, the first bar by statute is protected at $9.1 million. You cannot reduce that bar by more than 5% without having the state coming in and looking at what you're doing. The second bar is pension payments, health care, debt service payments, and then you have parks and rec and public works and fire. If you were to add up all of the departments from the right moving back to the left from city council, imagine that to solve the equation from an expense side, every department after fire is eliminated. That's what it takes to get to $47 million. None of that exists. That's the magnitude of what we're talking about. If you follow the statute strictly, you will notice that parks and rec quality of life is not allowed to be funded by general funds. So for the sake of saying, well, what are other ways we could do this? You could, we could wipe out the entire parks and rec department and still be another $12 million short. Our next series of slides is going to focus on our category breakdowns and we're going to go into a little bit more depth as far as what goes into those categories. So within our personnel expenditures, we have the bulk of our expenditures are our regular salary expenditures at $97 million. So out of personnel, which represents $162 million, $97 million is our staff salaries. Then we go down into our employee benefits at almost $32 million. We have our pension contributions at $22 million. Then our FICA Medicare taxes at $7.6 million. And then all of our others for overtime at $2.5 million. That makes up our total personnel expenditures at $162 million. So on this chart, we're talking about personnel expenses. Personnel, as you know, we have collective bargaining agreements. We have state statutes that require us to pay for various things. You've got federal taxes. Really, the only thing that's discretionary here would be overtime. So if we cut out all the overtime in the general fund, which includes overtime in police and fire, it's a $2.5 million issue. So to get access to any of the other bars to try to reduce those, we would have to wait for negotiations to open and then reduce the level of benefits and reduce the amount of salary. Otherwise, the only option that we have, the only thing that government can do as part of management's rights is reduce staff levels. And through reduction of staff levels, then we get the associated reduction in benefits and taxes, federal taxes. The next category we're going to drill into is our operating expenditure detail. A total of $75 million for our operating expenditures within a general fund. We have our interfund service payments at $12.5 million. Office and operating supplies at $12.2 million. Repairs and maintenance at $11.8 million. On behalf pension payments at $8.2 million. Other services at $7.2 million. Utility services at $6.6 million. So on and so forth, all the way down to our printing and binding at $281,000. So on this one, when we looked at the first chart where we were looking at personnel operating capital, I said you had to basically cut over 50% of the operating that all the departments needed to get there. So buried within here in other services, for example, that $7.2 million number, that's the fifth bar, was the contract we were talking about last night. So look at how far back we would have to eliminate. The interfund service payments are the general fund paying other funds for either debt service. Office supplies are what you need to work with. Repair and maintenance is, you know, fixing the copy machine, fixing the, you know, equipment. Then you have the on-behaved pension payments for the, for basically the retirees and firefighters that we have to transfer out. And then the utility service is the general funds portion of water and sewer and electric. So you would have to eliminate essentially everything else. And I'm not even sure you're at 40, 47 million. Can I jump in here, Mayor? Yes, sir. Go ahead. Real quickly. I mean, we're kind of doing an all or nothing approach here to this, which I guess take that as you will, but you could also theoretically chop 8% off each one of these, come up with eight or 10 million just from this page alone. So there's a lot more ways of skinning the cat than saying, oh, let's keep the first three and eliminate the next 12. I mean, that's a pretty aggressive approach when you're trying to characterize something like that. I just want to make sure that that picture is also drawn. Thank you. I don't have a problem with that. You take an 8% off of 75 million. You can do the math, 5.6 million, right? Yeah, there's 100 pages in this slide show. But you can't do that. You can't say, I'm going to take 8% off the water bill. I'm going to take 8% off the light bill. It's real easy to make characterizations like that. Well, that's what you're doing here, though. Yeah. We can eliminate parks. And the children will have nowhere to play. And then we'll still be 10 million short. I'm trying to show you the magnitude that... I mean, we're living in the land of make-believe here. I'm trying to show you the magnitude of the number so that you understand there's no way to get there by doing that. Right? I understand that people think we're going to be able to go and say, well, let's just tell every department 5% or 10%. You're still not going to reach the number. That's the only... And I don't need to say any more if you understand that that's what I'm trying to show. We don't... I need to get information out to the community. I need to get facts out. And when you look at it by department and know you can't touch the public safety greater than 5%, then you start to realize, now I've got to go shift the burden of that to the others. Right? If you wanted to use an 8% across the board, that extra 3% now needs to go somewhere else. And so their numbers now are not even 8%. Now they're 9%. And then within some of those, there's things we can't do like turn off the lights and cut salaries, cut pensions. And so you end up having to eliminate personnel. So when you start to layer in all of the things that we have to deal with, that's the intent of what I'm trying to display by going through each of these to show you there's no easy button here. Okay. The next category we're going to take a look at is our general fund capital expenditures. So out of our $279 million, $8.6 million represents our capital expenditures. Within capital expenditures, we have $5.1 million set aside for equipment. And then we have $3.5 million for our vehicles. Our last category that we're going to take a look at is our transfers out expenditure detail. Transfers out represent $32 million of our total $279 million. With the first being our fire general fund share that represents 19% of the fire operations total expenditure budget at $18.2 million. We have our transfers out for $7.7 million. And then we have our debt service payments at $6.4 million. The next table kind of brings everything into light together. So it takes into account all of our general fund expenditures by category, as well as account description in descending order. So it pulls in by category. Your personnel is in your green. Your operating is in orange. Capital is in yellow. Transfers out in blue. And then it just kind of builds a picture for you in descending order of where the expenditures fall from top to bottom, whether personnel, operating capital, in descending order based on those account descriptions. Next, we're going to talk about discretionary versus non-d iscretionary. Discretionary is defined as expenditures that can be increased, decreased, postponed, or eliminated during our budget process. Some of those examples include new parks, recreational facilities, beautification projects, community events, public relations, travel and training, and operating supplies. Non-discretionary is defined as expenditures that the city is legally, contractually, or operationally required to pay. Some of those items include our debt service payments, public safety minimum operations, as the city manager stated, public safety is restricted to a 5% reduction, contractual salaries and benefits, pension obligations, insurance premiums, and then our utility bills like our water and our lights. So on this chart, we went through and did what Council Member Long and I have been going back and forth on. We looked at, you can go to the next one. Okay. We looked at all of the expenditures in the entire general fund and identified what was truly discretionary versus what was non-discretionary that's required by statute or required by a contract. And so instead of looking at it by personnel, operating capital, looking at it by what department, what non-dep artment. And I want to be delicate about this. Every employee that comes to work every day does not believe that their job is a discretionary job. They all come to work every day and do the best they can for our citizens. This analysis is based on contracts and state law. Not the value that we put on the employee or the value we put on the position. Whether or not we have the ability to reduce it or eliminate it. And so what you would see is there is 128 million spread across all different accounts. And so now run the analysis of if you have to get to 47 million, you see how far you have to go. And it's disjointed. So to get access to that level, what you're going in and you basically render programs useless. I know it's hard to see by a chart, but in operations and administration, if you take out all the vehicles and you take out all the rentals and you take out all the equipment and you take out half of your repair and maintenance and a third of your office supplies, any of the programs that are not required end up becoming an unsustainable program. So you, you, and this chart I think helps kind of that discussion with Council Member Long and I have been having. This goes to show you what's left becomes non-functional. So the next series of charts is going to break down your discretionary versus non-discretionary by division. I have combined some of the divisions together just to consolidate the overall totals. So within the chart before you, you have the city attorney, city auditor, and city council with the blue representing the discretionary and the orange representing the non-disc retionary. You can see the totals with the blue for city attorney, city auditor, city council, all the way down through each of the divisions for the council. What's discretionary versus non-discretionary. So within city attorney, 3.3 million, city auditor, 1.2, city council, 1.1 million. All the way down through our council facilities and maintenance and our youth council at 6,000 and 5.7,000. The next chart breaks down our city clerk's office by division starting at the city clerk administration. We also have broken down an additional breakdown for our AC FA reporting. So we're required to group expenditures a certain way when we report our annual financial report. So we've added that in here so you can kind of see what's regarded as general government versus public safety versus anything else throughout the next few slides. So within general government discretionary, city clerk administration, 1.1 million, and then the fleet at 58,000, and our records management at 682. General government non-discretionary, 295,000 out of city clerk administration is non-discretionary. We have our public safety licensing that's discretionary, and then the public safety licensing that's non-discretion ary. You can see those further breakdowns. Next is our financial services and human services or human resources. Discretionary versus non-discretionary. So all of our discretionary in the blue. You can see it across the entire thing, and then our discretionary. By each of our divisions, from accounting, accounts payable , budget, comp and classification, employee benefits, employee development, labor relations, finance, admin, HR admin, payroll, procurement, recruitment, and treasury. Across the board, you'll see that the majority of the expenditures are discretionary versus non-discretionary. Within information technology, again, discretionary versus non-discretionary. With our blue, across all of our divisions for IT, we have our business applications, GIS, IT administration, the facilities maintenance, network administration, security, and our systems. All of the blue represents discretionary funding that can be reviewed. Government services and our fire operations. So this pulls in both our general government and our public safety for fire. You can see the discretionary portion being your blue, but we do have the orange for the non-discretionary portion that represents your transfer out to the fire operations fund. That is considered non-discretionary being our 18 million. But within our public safety non-discretionary, we have the 18.2, and then we have 15.1 for our recruitment costs that is considered discretionary. Within our parks and recreation, our discretionary versus non-discretionary across the board and across all of our divisions from our arts studio and athletics through parks maintenance, our special events, TDC, Yacht Club, Yellow F ever Creek, bulk of expenditures are considered discretion ary versus non-discretionary. Within development services, again, from all of our divisions for code compliance, development services, the facilities, services for fleet, the city planning, and our land development, our blue being our discretionary, the orange being non-discretionary for the public safety code compliance portion. And then within the public works portion, we do have a small portion that is discretionary versus non-discretion ary. Within our police department, you'll see that our discretionary versus non-discretionary has flipped based on statute requirements. So the blue being discretionary, the orange being non-disc retionary across all of their divisions from communication and records, do the right thing, our patrol bureau, police admin, down to special operations. The bulk of the expenditures are considered non-discretion ary and not eligible. Within our public works department, across the board, you have your general government and then we have our public works portion for our reporting. For all of our divisions from design and construction, public works admin, sidewalk survey, traffic engineering operations, and transportation lighting, you'll see the breakdown from our discretionary to our non-discretionary with the bulk of the expenditures falling within discretion ary funding. Next is a general fund expenditure breakdown by function. So as I mentioned in the previous slides, we were seeing the function, that's the AFR function, that's how we report on our financial reporting. This takes that and breaks it down a little bit further so you can see how we categorize when we report our expenditures, where those expenditures fall. So within general government, we have 95 million. Our public safety police is at 94 million. Parks and recreation represents 35 million. Public works is at 27 million. Public safety for fire, that transfer out is 18.2 million. Public safety code compliance is at 8.5. And then our public safety licensing is at 310,000. This breaks it out just a little bit further and takes that function by department. So you'll see a breakdown with general government in your yellow, public safety police in blue, parks and rec in green. Your public works in orange, public safety fire in red. You have your public safety code compliance in gray and then your public safety for licensing in purple. It's broken down by department across the board so you can see where each of those departments fall into for reporting purposes, how we categorize each of their expenditures. So we're going to talk about our ad valorem taxes. So, here we go. For fiscal year 2027, our proposed general fund obligation millage, operating millage rate is at 5.1471 mils, consistent with the rate that was adopted in fiscal year 20 26. This rate supports the general operations for the city and is applied based on each $1,000 of credit. So, the taxable property value is at $1,000 of taxable property value. Ad valorem taxes are calculated using the formula millage rate times taxable value divided by $1,000. The fiscal year 2027 budget includes $165,092,423 in projected ad valorem revenue. This is what was requested and has been built in and will be updated as we receive the June and July 1st property app raiser values. The next slide shows you a breakdown of our taxable value versus new construction and taxable value. Being strategically cautious each year and based on the current market trends, we believe that industry is showing a decline and nothing indicates that we're going to see an increase in the short-term future. Overall valuation not including new construction is going to be flat or we may potentially even see a decrease as we have so far with June 1st values in the upcoming years. The blue bars represent your overall taxable value and the orange represents your new growth. The gray line represents the changing and existing values. Based on our estimate which we have changed from last year 's forecast in the budget to 4.5% increase for 27-29, we are seeing a decline in the existing values and a leveling out of new growth. It's important to note that these numbers are dynamic and not static. As additional information comes in from permitting or the property appraiser, we'll utilize it to forecast out and plan in order to meet the future needs of the city. Next I'm going to bring up Mr. Mason to discuss the Save Our Homes proposal. Next I'll talk about Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. Next I'll talk about Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. Those slides that are included in the presentation originally are no longer applicable to the discussion from what the legislature approved on Tuesday, Wednesday, Tuesday. Next I'll talk about the discussion. Next I'll talk about Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. Next I'll talk about Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. Next I'll talk about Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. Next I'll talk about Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. Next I'll talk about Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. Next I'll talk about Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. Next I'll talk about Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. 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Councilmember Steinke, if you look at that number five on the bottom, that is-- there's no direct revenue replacement lever that we can pull, but apparently they're going to be working on a trust fund that we can apply for for grants. Mayor are going to be working on that, because it wasn't part of anything yet. It's in the legislation, but no-- we've asked our lobbyists if there's any details on that, whether or not it's going to be a direct revenue replacement or a competitive replacement. You know, if it's a formula grant based on what we lost to just replace it or if it's just going to be a competitive grant. Mike, it's not included in the legislation. Yeah, it's not. So it's-- it just provides that they'll do something, but there is no actual revenue replacement in the legislation. Well, I also noticed in your discretionary/non-discretion ary that that was mainly based on state statute, but did not take into consideration our city charter. And so-- and so some of the things that were considered to be discretionary, I would believe that would require a change in our city charter to eliminate some of the things that, according to state statute, are discretionary, but according to our charter are required. So I think the technical-- technical difficulties have been taken care of. So what the legislature approved on Tuesday, following the governor's release of a proposal for property tax relief, was to begin with a homestead exemption on the first $150, 000 of assessed taxable value. So how is that different than what you have today? Today, you have a $25,000 exemption on the first $25,000 taxable value. You skip $25,000 in taxable value, and then you have a potential additional $25,000 in exemption on the third quartile associated with the taxable value. So it's $25,000, skip $25,000, and then between $75,000 and $100,000, you have a potential of an additional homestead exemption. This would eliminate that, except for school districts. The-- for school districts, it would remain at $25,000, and then you have nothing after that. For everybody else, it would be the first $150,000 of tax able value, and that would be your exemption. So if you have a $200,000 taxable value, your first $150, 000 would be exempt, and you would be taxed on $50,000 in taxable value. Effective in 1/1/2028, and this all assumes that this is approved, so we just, you know, want to make sure that that 's out there. On 1/1/2028, that homestead exemption would then increase to the $250,000 of the first $250,000 in taxable value. Effective 1/1/2029, it would--that $250,000 would then be adjusted by CPI annually. So--and it's only on a positive CPI. So if you have a negative CPI, it won't change. It won't go down, but it certainly will--it will stay the same until you have another positive CPI. 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So to run the fire department, we would need 3.61 mils. To run the public safety fire portion, we would need .70 and so forth. So now this proposed legislation doesn't only reduce what the homeowners pay. It also tells us all what we can use that revenue source for. So then we run an analysis. Here's what we can use this revenue source for. And that's it. There's nothing else the general fund can, the ad valorem portion of the general fund can be used for. So that's it. That's your number. You build up from zero each year. That's what it takes. In addition-- Then you're left with your-- No, go ahead. Then you're left with your non-ad valorem, your state shared revenues, our fire service assessment, and our other things. So we're basically reverse engineering the entire budget process. If you're going to look at it from a revenue side issue and not an expense side, you-- we have to now, because of the way that this proposal is written, build from zero on what those items we can fund are first. Then we look at what non-ad valorem revenues we're getting. State shared sales tax, gas tax, public service tax, fire service assessment. And then you see which one of those. So we know that the fire service assessment can fund the other portion of the fire. We know that public service taxes can go for things like, you know, roads and bridges, portions that are not in the transportation aspect that's eligible to be funded under this limited scope in the proposed legislation. And you see that we have 111 million of that. So we're still on a revenue buildup. We're still 37 million short. But, we'll go to the next slide. There are ways to also solve that. So there-- there is a revenue-- there are revenue solutions utilizing what is being proposed plus what we have to keep everything intact. But that is a decision that will have to be made. Go ahead, Mark. All right. So in conjunction with the House Joint Resolution that was voted on and approved by both houses of the legislature for the constitutional changes, there was another bill that went through called SB4F, which was a Senate bill which was designed to alter the calculation of the military. So that bill has not received any particular press associated with the bill. But it also-- that bill did two things, three things actually. So I'll go through each one of them. They're not on any one of the presentations, but I want to get to the revenues because this is important to understand how this impacts what you're looking at today. This bill will alter how the maximum millage rate is calculated. So today, in the statute, there's a-- there's a form that allows for the calculation of the maximum millage rate, and it also identifies what the city council can approve up to the maximum millage rate. The change alters what the maximum millage rate is, and it 's now the rollback rate, meaning that on an annual basis, you can go to the rollback rate, but to go above the roll back rate requires a-- larger majority than just the simple majority. So you can approve the rollback rate at the simple majority to approve something at the-- at 110% of the-- or anything above the rollback rate, up to 110% of the rollback rate, would require two-thirds vote of the-- of the city council, and anything above the 110% would require a-- a-- a-- a-- a -- of the city council in order to increase the millage rate beyond that so these are some of the changes and it appears that this particular bill will go into effect once the governor signs it i don't think it affects this particular fiscal year or going into fiscal year 2027 however that's not been defined uh and it would be pretty difficult since we're going to be setting uh you know your tentative millage rates here uh next month so i doubt that it will be effective for uh it'll be effective for fiscal year 2028 uh when we get there in addition it also allowed for uh a departure from the 75 word uh constitutional amendment that'll be on the ballot so they can have more than 75 words in order to put this entire item uh within one ballot language item so there's a number of things that are included in here so it's either you vote for all of it or you vote for none of it so that's kind of like the approach here everything is in one ballot So what that means for if cities, including us, want to solve this from a revenue side, it would require six, if not eight, of everybody on council to vote for it. So over here was the tax reform and over here was the tax reform on what you can spend it on and then over here now was, oh, by the way, if you want to solve that, council member Steinke with revenue replacement at the local level. The billage, it's going to require you, if you want to reverse engineer it every year and say, what can we use the millage to fund on these expenses? And that ends up being higher than what you collected the previous year, then it would require six council members to vote for it. So now they've pushed that into a super majority versus a simple majority. So it can be done, but like other things, the legislative hurdles that are put in place make it very difficult. But it can be done. So some of the things that we did talk about, look, we're not making a recommendation here one way or the other. It's probably not, it's not this council that will likely make, you know, any decisions associated with this until it 's approved by the voters in November. However, it's something to be thinking about because as we, as we developed and continue to develop the budget, we want the city council to understand how that budget will be impacted next year, assuming that the, that the constitutional amendments are approved. And so we'll always be showing this previous slide to kind of give you an idea of what, what, what it is you're appro ving and how that would be a restricted in future years, assuming that the constitutional amendment does pass. And so we've had these potential changes and these things that have been on the, that are available to us. As an example, if the public service tax, again, you have 3 %, so this makes up some of that $37 million. The public service tax for the charter school portion that we've been utilizing to help the charter school get through its, its, its issues associated with maintenance of the facilities. Well, now you can use ad valorem in order to pay for that. So you can redirect this in order to fund other services. The revenue recognition. We talked about that earlier. You've talked about that at the, at the committee at the whole last week. We've received the direction. We'll make that change, but it is here to kind of show what that means to us going forward. Increase the program and recreation user fees. So we took an opportunity to estimate what that might be and what that might look like if we needed to increase all of our park user fees in order to collect the cost and cover the cost of providing those particular programs. And so it's very little different than what the speaker said this morning that, hey, you know, if you're going to do this, then just increase the fees in order to cover the costs. So this is one of those things that this is what would need to be required because many of these were funded through the property tax. The subsidy associated with these particular programs were funded through ad valorem. Before you move on there, Mr. Mason, I think Council Member Lehman has a question. Yes, ma'am. They do. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think citizens need to be aware that if we're talking about alleviating, if citizens want this property tax reform to go through and fees are going up, those fees are going to come out of their pockets. And, you know, I'm looking at this and I'm saying, wait a minute. How are we making it better for residents if now we're going to increase all the fees for them to be doing anything in town? Am I missing something here? Yeah. Yeah. So what we're looking at here is if the tax reform proposal passes, this chart in conjunction with the previous chart is looking at revenue solutions. So you would have a decrease in your taxes, in your tax bill. And then if you were a user of any of the activities in order to keep parks and rec fully sustained, because none of the general fund ad valorem taxes can go for quality of life parks and rec. So now you have to shift. All this is a giant tax shift. Right? If you're going to keep everything the same, then all this is going to do is reshift who pays for what and when it's collected. Right? Who pays for what and when it's collected. User fees are going to be paid for only by the users and collected when they use it. That would be the... Yeah, but now... So the parents, let's say a lot of those up there are, you know, skate park and, you know... Yeah. The users are going to be... The parents would pay less... They would pay less in their taxes. But then instead of giving their children a $20 or $40 bill , they're going to need to give them $200 every time they need to go do something. So essentially we're hitting the younger... We would be to do it revenue-based. We'd be hitting the younger families. Yeah, they're getting a break on their property taxes on their homes. That's only if you want to keep those programs intact. Because if you don't want to fund those programs, you cannot use ad valorem taxes anymore. We are going to be legislatively restricted from using ad valorem taxes for parks and rec. Okay. Yeah, I do want to make sure that you understand that these are just simply options. We're not telling you to do this. No, no. I understand that there are options. It will be a requirement of the next council to make the determination of what they want to fund and not fund. I guess what I'm trying to bring out is residents need to be aware of what the impact will be. That's the whole point of all the discussions we're having. No, I understand that. I understand that. But if you pair the previous slide with this slide, so go back one slide. If you build your millage up based on what you can fund with the millage, then you use all the other non-ad valorem revenues that we have. Continue building. You're left with a $37 million deficit still. Roll to the next slide. And then if you utilize the full value of the public service tax, utilize increased user fees, use a parks and rec special assessment, a street light special assessment for medians, you see that we have the ability through shifting of the cost to different areas. We can generate more than $37 million. So there are options out there to keep everything intact. But those those have to be decisions that would be made by the next council. Thank you. So there are solutions. There doesn't have to be a reduction or an elimination of any program in the city. If it does happen, that was by choice. Thank you. Councilmember Laster. Thank you, Mayor. I was going to say the same thing to Councilmember Lehman that the city manager stated regarding the idea is, as our speaker said earlier, is that more families will have money in their pocket to then be able to support their children going to do these things. And then, you know, we're not giving any additional revenue to that. These are going to be cost neutral and because they're going to pay for themselves. And I support this. Yeah, but families. You're going to give them more money. They'll have more money in their pocket. And then they're going to pay it out in a different way. Yes, ma'am. So in the end. Yes, ma'am. I understand that. But to me, this is the type of innovative things that we need to think about. Because I've been completely depressed until I saw this. It's just been a lot of words this morning and a lot of, you know, increasing millage and those types of things. And I think as a collective group, we need to focus on innovative ideas that are going to not have to increase the millage rate over time. I think that we can find $40 million. And I think it's just going to take some creativity and, you know, definitely tightening our belt. But, you know, these services paying for themselves, I think, is a great start. I like that idea. So I'm in favor of that for sure out of everything I've seen. I think as you look at what was the number one strategic plan item that council told us to focus on, which was financial sustainability. The solution that I think you're going to see administration advancing and embraced by that strategic plan vision is we need to find a way to get out of ad val orem taxation. It's only a matter of time before they continue to basically eliminate it. Absolutely. And so we have to, we have to, if we are going to be sustainable, we have to find local home rule options that we can control that the state does not govern. Absolutely. Because they're going, this, it's going to go to zero at some point, whether it's five years from now, 10 years from now. So we have to get control of the things that we can control and find ways. If you go to. Slide 12. Oh, it's on the other presentation. Mm-hmm. I have it. That, that chart needs to be flipped. We, we are reliant upon now, ad valorem, it's, it's 60% of the general fund budget. Mm-hmm. We need it to be 6% of the general fund budget. How we get there is a journey, but that is the path to financial sustainability. Well, then I recommend that, that be our goal over the next two days and figure that out. It won't happen this year. It'll take time. I agree. I mean, the mayor said it in the press conference yesterday . We all say it. You know, we are so ad valorem reliant. And that's got to change. And I think it's going to take all of us collectively to come to consensus to figure that piece out. But, but things like, you know, these services paying for themselves is a, is a fantastic start. We just need to find 20 more of those. So, you know, that, that I think will be my focus over the next two days and this year and moving forward. But, you know, if you think about it, I mean, I, I really think finding that $46 million is definitely doable. It's just going to take a, a consensus of all of us working together and figuring out where we can tighten and where we can come up with innovative solutions for things paying for themselves. And, you know, with, with the education to the community that you're going to have additional dollars in your pocket from, from this, this property tax bill, should it pass. So, I think that needs to be a message. I mean, I've already gotten many emails from residents concerned about the doom and gloom and concerned about, you know, is this true? Are we going to cut services? And, you know, I'm very honest with them and I give them all the numbers and I, you know, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. But, you know, I also say that as a group, as city leaders, we're, we're going to figure this out. So, I just wanted to say that I, I, I, I like this idea and if we can find 20 more of them, we'll be in great shape. Thank you, Mayor. Councilmember Law. Thanks, Mayor. I know this is just an example, one of many, right? We're just kind of spitballing here, but I think one other way to look at, are these, are these net revenues? Are we still, we have the same sheet holder? These revenues here. Which ones are you talking about? Any of these revenues on this chart, when we've got the current fee, the new fee, and then the revenues, 1.9. Is that, that's net or is that before expenditures? This is before expenditures. This is just, this is the revenue to cover the cost of the, of the program. To make it net neutral is what you're saying? Yes. Okay. So, so one other thing that I might, I mean, again, we're just, I know this isn't in concrete, but I think the reality, if you're looking at these, is that frankly, a lot of these are going to cease to exist , right? The public sector or the private sector is going to take over to fill these voids. And so then that would be off of our, our roles. So like, you know, and I know that you guys are just throwing numbers around, but helmet rentals going from $5 to 42. I can buy two helmets for that. You know, the, the people just aren't going to do it. And so that, that, you know, those sorts of things, skate equipment rentals from 15 to 406, nobody's going, nobody's going to use that program. It's going to inevitably, you know, be defunct. So I think some of these we look at, you know, and we say the reality is that's just not going to be a public service . It can't be. The skate park, for example, I think, you know, when you go from skate lessons from 15 to 130, BMX from 15 to 130, those are in the future. When we start looking at those revenues going down because people aren't going to pay those, then we'll inevitably be transferring that out, right? P3s or getting rid of it or transferring those services. And then those revenues shift. So I understand that, you know, we're looking at this in a vacuum, but I think the reality is down the road, as a result of having to go, you know, take measures like this, some of these, some of these programs are going to, are going to come off the rolls and be handled by the private sector. So something also to keep in mind. Thank you. And there's nothing wrong with that. You know, if we're running the 30, if we have to run a $35 art club at $200, you know, that, that's just not, that's not the intent of our art club as it currently exists. So there's nothing wrong with defunding those programs to allow the private sector, if we can't do it at a reasonable cost. That's, that's what I'm saying. I'm not. No, we, we agree. And that's why, that, that's why the, the discussions here, these are not easy discussions, right? Because the idea is, you hit right on it. The helmet one is the easiest one. Why would you rent a helmet for $42 and you could buy it for $25 at Walmart? Right. Now, and it may not be the best one. Sure. And the, or the safest one, but at least your kid can go, go to the skate park. So what, what ends up happening in that's what a, when you start cutting these programs back, what happens is they, they, you can't run. You're left with a program that doesn't work. Right. And indirectly earlier, that's what I was trying to say. And, but you, you and I just came together full circle. Let's do that. And so that's a pretty thing. And yeah. Hold hands. But the point is when you do it in a broad stroke and say, we're going to have to close down the skate park. Well, when you contextualize it like this, that some, that someone will fill that void. It's not like the children won't have a skate park. The government won't run it. Because we, because we can't use it. And the user fee is going to be too high. It basically makes the program. No longer. I mean, there's just no. As a government run function. Correct. Certainly someone will fill that void. Councilmember Steinke. Thank you, Mayor. So with 411 cities wrestling with this right now, and counties as well, every one of them is different. And obviously we all know that we're young, adolescent, as I said earlier. You know, we've still got a lot of build out to go. It seems like to me with this understanding that the kind of, if you build it, they will come mentality goes away. Because business, business doesn't bet on the, on the if come like that. So as we, as we think about the city developing toward the north, to think that someone would come in the private sector and build a skate park there. With the thought that someday there'll be enough people there to make it a profitable adventure, which is why the private sector does anything. There will have to be other attractions to get the people that would already use the facility that a private entity would come in and invest the money in. So as we think about economic development and bringing business to our city, this tends to handcuff us a little bit. As it relates to incentivizing people to come here to provide these, these amenities. If it has to be privately funded. So it'll, it'll be an interesting next 20 years. Well, well, if you think about it, run, let's run with that a little bit. There's two solutions. One is a unanimous vote. We'll take eight at this point. If you want growth to pay for growth, because you're not going to be able to, we are not going to be able to use any ad valorem taxes for parks and recreation. So you have to then, we can only collect, general governments can only collect revenue in three ways. Taxes, fees, and assessments. The fees are user fees, but you're talking about things that don't exist yet. So where does that come from? An impact fee. And to raise the parks and rec impact fee for things you want to build in the next five years, or three to five years foreseeable future can't be stuff we want to do in 20 years. Right now, it's an 8-0 vote to go over the 12.5%. So there's your clamp on that from the legislature. It's going to take all eight of you, if you want to build something new, parks and recreation, run, funded by the government. So the last thing then is an assessment. You're going to have to, we would have to, like other cities have, have a parks and recreation district that has a special assessment for the things it provides. So if you don't have 8-0 vote for that, and you need a simple majority, you're going to have to create a parks district special assessment to fund parks and recreation. So there's ways to do it, but as you start to look at all the other parameters and all the other restrictions on where do those funds and where can they come from, you need a unanimous vote to raise the impact fee if you want for stuff, new stuff you want to build, or back to local home rule control source of revenue, it'd be the parks and rec special assessment district. So I'm going to have to do it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Just as an additional information, the 8-0 rule on park impact fees is not available to you for four years. And even then it will probably be more restricted by the time we get there. Councilman. The eight oh vote associated with park impact fees is no longer available to you, you just approved an increase in the impact fees. You have to wait four years before you can do it again. - Are you done Council Member? - Yes. Thank you. - Council member Kilring? - Yeah. Just the nature of some of the special assessments we're talking here. Anywhere in the new legislation, do you have to identify limiting special assessment levels? - No. - Okay. That was important I think for our strategy here I think going forward. So we could really, that's the one area where we can look at expanding the basic service growth in areas that we can't do by as long taxes. That is probably, and that's the most direct area and through a special assessment we can actually future bond that if we had to and that loaded? - Yes. - Okay. All right. Thank you, Mayor. - Council Member Cadiz. - Thank you, Mayor. So ad valorem tax will still exist for commercial properties. - Correct. - And for non-homesteaded properties. So I'm just not buying the doom and gloom. And when we're talking about the skate park, the easiest, simplest solution would be for the government to offload that and it become a commercial property at that point. The government really does need to get back to the basics. I fully support this. I might be the lone wolf up here that fully supports this, what's happening at the state level, but really need to focus on infrastructure and public safety. That was, I think Cape Coral is probably why the state even put this into place. - Why do you call it doom and gloom? - Because we're sitting here saying that we need to find 46 million. We just approved 40.5 million last night. I mean, if, and, and you're showing us a budget at the 5.14 millage rate, you know, you could make it at 5.3. I mean, you're showing us like we, we can't do this, but we can. - No, my, and that's why I'm asking you why you call it. I'm not, I'm not saying it. What I'm saying is we can solve it from the expense side or we can solve it from the revenue side or anything in between. I'm not trying to characterize it as a doom and gloom or a knight in shining armor. I'm trying to present the facts so that council and the community and the next council knows there's solutions on both sides. We can. - Well, I want to see the solutions. That's what I want to see presented today is what are the solutions? Here's A, B, C, D. Here's what I've come up with of how we can solve this issue. - We did. It's on this slide. - Okay. - I know, but on this slide, really? - Okay. First and foremost, until this thing passes and we get better understanding of what the legislature means by some of these things, it's going to be a little more difficult for us to be able to give you an absolute solution to a subject that we're not sure is going to occur or not. At this point, we can tell you that the legislation limits and that's what you can use ad valorem for. We can tell you that it no longer covers parks and recreation. If you want to continue to provide parks and recreation, assuming that this passes, and you want to provide programs , then you would provide programs at a fee that would cover the cost of the program or not. If you want to be able to maintain parks, you won't be able to maintain parks with ad valorem revenues, so you'll have to use it with something else. There's a number of different departments, et cetera, that are funded within the general fund that are not public safety related and that don't fit into the categories that we provided you on this side of the ledger, which means everything else beyond what we identified up here is required to be funded by all the other revenues, and we're showing you that there's $37 million short in order to fund all of those services. But we had $29.9 million in unrestricted funds. And this is recurring. Right. These are recurring expenditures. So if you had $29 million as a one-time expenditure, it's not recurring. It's not recurring. It's not 29 million.9 every single year. Totally understand. I don't know what it will be on an annual basis. That depends on what the revenues are. It depends on what the expenditures are. It depends on what the assets are, the liabilities are, and what the net is associated with fund balance. So let's hypothetically, I'll run that with you. So let's just say year over year, our policies produce $29 million. But they don't, but yeah. Let's just say hypothetically they do. If they did and we found a way to change our financial policies, to trim that, to basically run at the margin, then in theory you're still $8 million short. Well, I know this is a completely separate, he's on one presentation and I'm on the other, but this is showing ad valorem budgeted at 96%, but just at our Cal last week, we all gave you the go-ahead for 98%, so that was an extra $2 million. We have to budget ad valorem at 96%. Non-ad valorem. I'm saying on 2B, budgeted at 95%, financial policy 2. We just said at the last Cal meeting that we were going to do 98%. Correct. So why are you showing us this? Because that's not included in the current proposed budget. You just approved it. It's not in the current proposed budget. So this is assuming that this goes into effect. This is additional revenue that you didn't have before. We just approved it, right. This presentation was out before that. But you guys update stuff all the time, and that was a week ago. Okay. Well, we didn't update a 40-page presentation that you associated with that. I know, but that's a couple extra million dollars. So when we're talking about penny pinching and finding and going line by line, that's a great example of how we can do that. I'm sorry that staff missed it, and I'm not trying to call them out, but that is a couple million dollars that we found right there. Thank you. It's just not included in this requested budget. It will be updated when we come back with the proposed budget. In July, after we got the final numbers. Why isn't it included in this? We're sitting here going penny pinching, and again, I'm going to say it, doom and gloom, and that's a couple million dollars right there. This is associated, this presentation is only associated with the constitutional amendment that may or may not pass in November. We get back over to the budget. We can talk about the $1.9 million that could potentially reduce the $3 million in deficit that we've shown you. That's fine. That's just a, I mean, it's a number, it's, you know, this is a math problem by any other name. We have two buckets now. We have, I have concerns about, you know, if we can only spend those resources in ad valorem associated with those particular items, are they now restricted if we don't spend all of it in one year? Does it have to go back into another, into the same bucket for the following year and be utilized for the same purpose? There are so many questions associated with this and how this will end up working. But Mr. Mason, if that were the case, why would that be bad ? I didn't say it was bad. Okay. So I don't. Instead, what, what, what we would have to do is we don't, there are so many things associated with this particular legislation. At the end of the day, I can only show you this is where the deficit lies. And then we have a council that, you know, will be seated in November that will have to make those decisions if this passes. That's it. And what, will we have to do a budget amendment? When? After it passes. This won't be effective until the 28th budget year, not the 27th budget year. However, I do want to point out one thing. I did talk a little bit about the maximum millage rate based upon a brief conversation with the city attorney. This SB4F is supposed to be effective when the governor signs it. So that would imply that it probably will be affected for fiscal year 2027. And so you're, right now, you're limited if this, if the governor signs this, which I'm pretty sure he will, that you may be at the, at the maximum millage rate, which is the rollback rate right off the bat, whatever that is. Have we calculated with the rollback rate based on a 2.34? We did. What was it? 5.3. 5.2 something, some mills. And the primary reason for that is, is because the year over year value changes, not including new construction, went down. New construction was $1.1 billion. And so the net increase in value that got you to the 2.34% was new construction at about $700 million. So when the year over year changes go down, the rollback rate goes up. which we said would likely happen this year. So it's going to be a little bit more than $700 million. And so it's going to be a little bit more than $700 million . And so it's going to be a little bit more than $700 million . And so it's going to be a little bit more than $700 million . 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And so it's going to be a little bit more than $700 million . And so it's going to be a little bit more than $500 million in the very basic nature. And we're looking at both the opportunities to make sensible cuts, common sense cuts, just don't eliminate vital programs. And in any manner, find a way of picking up on that from a revenue standpoint to support those things for the gaps that we have. And even though we're not on top of it, certainly it will be different than what we come up with in the final run. But it gives us a perspective as how to approach it. And each time -- I mean, this wasn't the first time that we 're faced with a shift, I'm sure. And it won't be the last. But it's a challenge for us as leaders to be able to pick up on this and structure it the right way and be smart about it and use common sense in doing it. And I very much appreciate the initial direction it helps us define. And I think that's a challenge for us as a part of the future. And I think that's a part of the future. And I think that's a part of the future. And I think that's a part of the future. And I think that's a part of the future. And I think that's a part of the future. And we all can think that way. But I think from a leadership, our challenge is really structuring something as good common sense combination of the two and making sure to communicate what we think. And this is a good platform to enunciate what those things are that might be impacts upon the residents should this go through. So it's a good starting point for that communication. And it's also a good starting point for what we need to do in restructuring. So I appreciate it very much. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Law. Yeah, I guess just for clarity, I'm getting a little whipl ash up here. So we've spent the entire morning talking about the potential legislation, as far as I gather it, as far as its effects on future budgets, for the most part. Mr. Mason's already said twice that the next seating council will have to make these cuts, make these decisions. The city manager yesterday said in his letter, the next sitting council ought to make these decisions. So which is it? Do you want to inundate this council with these discussions about a potential legislation that, by the way, is 100% going to pass? Or are you telling us to stay in our lane and deal with this year's budget without the context of the legislation? That's pretty straightforward, I think. No, no. This year's -- If you're trying to make it clear that we don't make these decisions, then get it off my screen and we'll talk about something else. If it's your goal, which I'm assuming you're about to say, is to inform the public about the potential implications of this legislation. Is that why we're looking at it here? If it's for the next council, then it's for the next council. If you want to -- So there's -- what was presented this morning by Nicole was the current budget request for 2017. Right, and then you interjected multiple times and said, hey, we'd have to get rid of this, that, and the other if X , Y, and Z. As far as tying in the legislation. Okay. Right? Yeah. Okay. Well, you were trying to separate the two, but you did make multiple comments about the legislation. Okay. I'm just asking, what are we doing? If it's your desire to say, hey -- We have a status quo budget basically for 27 with the exception of two park rangers that we need to open up. Yellow Fever Creek, utility positions in -- utility, storm water, and solid waste. And then there's a few public works positions for all the buildings that we're opening up. Heritage, Yellow Fever Creek, Festival Park, all the other parks, the Resilience Center, the EOC. So basically, we have -- our budget is status quo. So what we're asking -- what we're providing, showing you now, is what are those impacts from the legislation that we would have. And if you -- That the next council will decide on, right? Yeah. Made that clear. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. Why is this council seeing it. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. Derived from Councilmember Kilrain's comments. You know. Hey look. Let's go after the kids. Pull the heartstrings. This particular set of voting public in this city. Would love to get rid of that stuff on their on their tax rolls. That's not. We're not primarily children with families here. I can't tell you how many emails or comments I get and I don't agree with them. Why are we paying school taxes? My kids are 50. So the funniest part is going after the heartstrings and saying hey all these kids activities are going to get cut. That's only bolstering the public support of this thing because they've been begging to get the kids off their tax rolls. The majority of this public. Which to me is ironic. If that's that's the route that we're taking is hey let's let's go after the kids with the legislation with regards to all these after school programs that are getting cut. When you say we we didn't write the legislation. I know we didn't write the legislation but when we itemize in particular that the cuts that we're making are for children's services. We have to because of the restrictions. There's nowhere else that we can do. The restrictions of what the general fund ad valorem taxes can be used for require it. It is what it is. That's what I'm saying. I don't. I would. That's why I asked Councilwoman Kanduke why is it being classified as doom and gloom. It is going to be what it is. That's it. Okay. It's black and white. This it it for for all intents and purposes what you always what you always ask can we make a restricted fund. It is basically making the general fund ad valorem taxes a restricted fund within the general fund. Okay. If that helps for the purpose of discussion. Understood. Thank you. Thank you. Mayor. Councilwoman Kilbrain. Yeah. I just want to comment that there are six sitting here that either hope to be or will be on the next council. And at least the six of those people I would hope want to understand how this impacts and be able to communicate that into the future with our residents. And you know I just think back to the oath I took. I'm going to do whatever I need to do to make sure that we 're looking forward for what is best for the city. So I'm kind of digesting this and trying to figure out approaches that would be best for the city and the residents. And so I appreciate you doing both opportunities showing both conditions here and enlightening us on what those impacts might be. And I think that at least for six of us here and I would like to hope that the other two think the same way even though they're not going to be running again that their interest is certainly the best for the city. And if they could help can communicate in that way and I think it would be beneficial to all of us. Thank you mayor. You're missing my point. I'm not saying I don't want to deal with it. I'm saying it's been told to me twice now that the next council will be earlier. Okay. Well, maybe that's not. It may be a fact, but I think that there's a certain element of responsibility that this council has in bringing forth the information in a manner that we can think best the impact will be. Well, you need to have an understanding of where we're going in order to resolve when you hear the department heads that are going to come up next about all the things they want. I need you to have the context of what we're going to be able to do not do as you consider the things that they're asking for in the budget. Right. You have to know what the future looks like in this case, in this instance right now for the FY27 budget requests. You have to have this fundamental understanding before we go through the department's request. Just from a general structure standpoint, I am not one who likes to project to the lowest common denominator. I like to set a standard that's above that. And that means the budgetary process and everything else. So I think that we can reach a little bit in our desire here in the way we communicate this and not necessarily doom and gloom, but be realistic in how it's being portrayed and see if we can advance the best condition that we can project it to be. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I guess for me, I think we have to have an understanding on where we're headed when we're talking about this year's budget. I don't think that we have to be too detailed or oriented when we're trying to determine where we're going. First of all, we're not going to answer these questions today or tomorrow. This is going to be something that's going to be, you know, whether we have monthly meetings and talk about this more in depth. But we're not going to answer this question today or tomorrow. But I understand that we have to have a basis of where we 're headed that maybe will help us make a better decision with FY27's budget. And I appreciate that. And, you know, I think our priority here today and tomorrow is to hear about FY27 with keeping this in the back of our mind. So I just, you know, I think we have to make sure that we put it in context because, again, like it's been mentioned, the next council, whomever that may be, we can sit here and say we're going to do X, Y, and Z between now and November. On November 10th or whenever the new council is sworn in, they could say, well, thanks for the recommendation, but we 're going to do X, Y, Z. So, you know, I think that we have to be informed and be in tuned of probably what's coming forward. And we could even have meetings along the path with the understanding that some other council besides this one is going to make the decision. So, you know, for me, I am here to be more focused on FY27 budget, knowing what the impacts that are probably going to be coming next year involving next year's budget. So that's kind of where I'm at. And hopefully that's, that's the direction. You know, I don't want to sit here for the next few days and talk about what may happen and who's going to make the decision. I know I got to make the decision in FY27 budget. Let's talk about it and make those decisions. So that's where I'm at. Okay. Well, on that note, we will shift back to this fiscal year 27 request. And before we have the department's directors come up and provide you with their requests, we'll spend a few minutes on debt. And as it, as we build fiscal year 27, what's been built into the forecast and future forecasts. So the table you have before you, starting with the first half represents the debt service for existing general fund projects, which include JC Park, Yacht Club Seawall and Fire Station 10. Those are projects that we've committed debt to. And so we've built in annual debt service starting in fiscal year 27 and in the future forecasted years. So the second half of the table represents future potential projects that are included in our current AMP. However, no decisions have really been made on these projects. We understand given the future climate and everything, the progress on these may change and they may end up being removed from any future AMP. But for now, they're included in our existing AMP program. And so for that reason, we have estimated debt service in future fiscal years. The next two slides we want to focus specifically on a couple of projects to provide you with some options on funding. We'll start with the fire station. In January, Metro Forecasting provided you with the needs analysis. And in that, part of that summary is presented here in the middle of the slide. And basically, based on that analysis, the city has added 27,000 new homes since 2020 census, is expected to grow by another 21,000 residents by 2030, and has seen calls for service increase by 29% since 2019, and currently answers less than 80% of the calls at a six minute or less call time. So the proposed build-out sequence that was included in that analysis included stations 14, 15, and 16, built out over a multi-year period. And so what we have here, you'll see design and apparatus in the first year with construction and personnel built out in the second year, spanning from fiscal year 27 to fiscal year 32. So based on that analysis and a plan to accomplish those stations, we've provided you with some funding options for consideration as we go through this process. So the first option is traditional debt service paid back over 20 years with the cost allocation shown as 81% fire service assessment and 19% general fund. So the second option is a cash-funded or pay-as-you-go approach. Under this scenario, the fire service assessment would enhance over the next six years to include $7 million for station and apparatus costs, based on estimated costs of $10 million per station and $12 million for apparatus. Or approximately $5 million per year for stations. 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But if we debt funded, it doesn't matter because it's not like we're going to build all three of them in one year anyway. Is that correct? That's correct. The debt, if it's debt funded, we will consider different funding options. So obviously there's bonds, but there's also bank loans where we can take out smaller, get a loan for a smaller amount or for each station. But that's really based on timing. If we can get two done very close, then we may package those together and take out a bank loan or some type of debt to fund those together. But it would be based on just the timing. So no matter if you pick option one, two or three, the plan will be to design, build, design, build, design, build, no matter if you pick option one, two or three is the point I'm trying to make. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. Councilmember Kilwin. I'm glad to know that you and Bill's mindset are a little bit different too. That was good to clarify. But again, I'm going to go back to there's no less expensive time to build something than current. And that just builds into the future. I like the idea of commercial paper because you right size what your cash and capital needs are, and you allow the commercial paper to cover that in the most expedient way and most efficient way. So I'd be looking at combination number three, using commercial paper to construct over the period of time. And do it in a manner in which you only allow that to support your out-of-pocket needs at the time. So you could do that on an annual basis and just keep on rolling it forward. And what that does for you, it gives you a low debt level overall. It gives you a -- and I truly believe that with the new constitution of the Federal Reserve, I really think that our future borrowing costs are going to be coming down a little bit. But I don't think that inflation is going to go away. So we're going to have higher inflation costs. So to the extent that we can build them earlier, I think is important. So that's going to support that leverage point is going to support doing them earlier. So I think that's probably the most efficient mechanism and most fiscal prudent mechanism to do it in -- over an earlier basis and only allow the amount of required funding to be applied at the time. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, Matt. Okay. I guess, you know, for me, two or three. You know, in my previous discussions with staff, it's my understanding that a typical fire station usually doesn't last 20 years. So that kind of weighs in on my decision-making because if that's not going to be the case, they're not going to last that 20-year timeline that the debt services, then we're going to have to go back and revisit either modifications or a new firehouse, but we're still paying for the debt on the original debt. So for me, I think I could go with two or three. It sounds like the combination -- would that speed up the construction? Mr. Mason, I know you and I had that discussion here a few days ago. We were talking about this. Tell me the benefit of three versus two. Mr. Mason, I think this works. As far as number three is concerned, it just -- it allows you -- I mean, you have cash today without having to, you know, set it aside or wait for it to be collected in the future in order to start the process today. And then, you know, by the time we get to a point where the cash is available and we've already built the building, and you take out the commercial paper and you're rolling this on for each and every one thereafter. It's very little different than what you approved when we did the use or the ability to order our fire apparatus in advance. So you approved the contract for us to be able to slot our vehicles into a system two to three years in advance, five years in advance, knowing when they're going to be delivered. And when they're going to be delivered, the cash will be available to pay it then as opposed to today. So it's basically the same thing. So with that being said, the apparatus that's going to be needed for these three firehouses, are they already in the queue since we've kind of done that? They are not. They are not. No. We will be back before the city council amending that particular agreement in order to get them in the queue to be delivered when these particular firehouses are built. Okay. Do we have one in queue? We have a number that are in the queue, but not for any new fire stations. Oh, okay. Yeah. So that will be a deciding factor for me as well because they're not on order. And we know average length of getting equipment. Two years. Two years. So that's something. If we want to open up a firehouse in two years, which is what we want to do. We want to design in 27 and open up in 28. We need to order that piece of equipment now. So it's going to be there. I don't want to speak for the fire chief, but if we've already got one in the queue that would be coming in at about that same time, then we would obviously use that one while we're in the process of amending the agreement in order to get the rest of them in the queue. Oh, here we would plan this and, you know, right today, we 're looking for the preference of the city council of which way they want to go. The idea of utilizing cash funded fire stations is really to free up your capacity and your debt side. So you're not, you know, issuing as much debt. But I mean, look, we can get issued debt all day long. We're looking for the fire stations. We're looking for the fire stations. We're looking for the fire stations. We're looking for the fire stations. We're looking for the fire stations. We're looking for the fire stations. We're looking for the fire stations. We're looking for the fire stations. We're looking for the fire stations. We're looking for the fire stations. 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I'm not saying I don't agree with approving the fire stations, but I see that a lot in these discussions is that it's packaged before we even have a discussion in the context of needs and everything else. Let's do it. Let's design it. Let's approve it. Let's look at this, which we have the forecasting models as a general presentation. Let's do it. It's presented as how do you want to fund these? And then when we decide, which we have already started to do, and then the next council comes back and says, well, how the hell did we get here? And they say, previous council's direction. Well, the direction technically was how do we fund it? But we didn't even talk about do we want to fund it? And that's not the point I'm making is that I don't. But I see this a lot. We just had a discussion with the water and the fees and the several hundred million dollars in new water facilities. And it was presented months back as back in April. Oh, well, here's 130% increase. But we didn't even talk about that. It was just packaged as part of the discussion when we were talking about taking on debt for that project, which we did. And so now in hindsight, because of that decision, we've approved that project. Because we've talked about paying for it before we even talked about how we want to prioritize it and fund it. So I'm not comfortable making any of these decisions yet because it's putting us in a vice as a financial commitment in the context of situations that the next council apparently is going to have before we talk about whether we want it. And this is an easy one, I think, as far as at least eight of us. But the point remains, and we might even see this again as we roll forward. We haven't, we didn't approve these. So why are we talking about funding? How we're going to debt service them? So I'm not comfortable even voting on that. Mayor, man. Sure. I don't know what process you would like us to follow. We're building the 27 budget. You haven't made a decision on designing. But in the budget, we have to identify the intended source of revenue. So we are always talking about- And why are we identifying sources of revenues for projects that we haven't identified as for short projects? It's in your, it's been in your AMP. There's a lot of things in those, in the future plannings that are not funded. They're cool stories that we're eventually going to get to, but we're not, if we approached every single project like that, it'd be hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. We just said, oh yeah, well this is in the 2015 plan. What, when city council tells us there's number two strategic item in the strategic plan, which I knew you were going to say- Which we have to execute. It's been in all of our discussions for, we have to identify the funding source. We're following a normal municipal budget cycle here. We have to identify the funding source. The next council can come in and say, we're not doing it. We're shutting it down. Absolutely. They're not gonna, because the back to my other point is it 's going to be slitting into consents from here into perpetuity. And then when it does get pulled, if it gets pulled, it will be, I'm just following the previous council's direction. Any council at any time with five votes can change any previous council's discussion. I had this same discussion with Councilwoman Caduc last week. This is a budget. This is not an appropriation expense to request to spend the money. We're not at that phase. We're only identifying sources of revenue for a potential future expenditure. At the time we get there, and let's say that happened, let 's say next week. You all could say, this is how we intend on funding this fire station this week. And next week when we come to execute it, you all could say , not doing it. Correct. And it stopped. What opportunity? Just out of thin air. So the exact same thing. Let me use that exact example. Yesterday, you all approved utilizing cash to fund the fleet facility and a portion of the yacht club. The GMP. So that budget amendment hasn't even come to you yet, which is the identified source for the project. That's what we're talking about here. The GMP to actually do that work, the, the appropriation request to spend and buying that money has to come back to you still. Right. This same council who voted that. That's my point. Shoot that down and say, we're not. My point is the procedure. So let's not use that. Let's use this. Realistically, we, we vote on it. We, which we will. We vote on this and it gets approved. However, whichever debt source we find. Play that forward. Realistically. It's going to be included in the budget. Right. We'll roll that forward. Then when you say the next council will have an opportunity to do that. When will, when will that come? What's the next iteration of one of these three stations coming to the council from a financial perspective? Will you bring back the authorization to do the design? In, in where? Consent. In the consent agenda. That's my, that's my point. So sure, they could theoretically pull everything out of thin air at every single consent item and say, oh yeah, I want to randomly pull this design out of the consent agenda and then go back to the budget discussion in the context of that, that we had on June 3rd or 4th, uh, 20, but it likely doesn't happen. So. You, you are, you are. Or gone conclusion at that point, which is the whole purpose of consent. You're only talking about the way this current council operates in previous councils. We've, we, if you, you sat on it every quarter, we would go through every single capital project and council would have the opportunity to provide input. We don't do that anymore. We, we got rid of those quarterly reports and updating you all every quarter on where they were in lieu of putting it on the agenda. We would come and do them and everybody would say, what a waste of four or five hours. Does it. You're, you're upset about the process we're using. Well, because now. Okay. We are willing to amend our process. Hold on. We put it under here. One of you has got to talk at a time. You make your comments. He makes this going back and forth and that's not going to work. All I'm going to say is we're, we're. Interrupting one another is not going to work. We're willing to amend our process to whatever council needs. That's we, we are serving. If you want to come up with an entirely new process for capital projects. Let us know. Let us know. This is the process that we use. I'm just telling you that. Yeah. Maybe prior councils have changed that process and now the, the, the results of that are showing. And the context of these discussions and the more difficult the budget becomes. So that was it. Thank you. Council member. Thank you. Mayor. I remember a few regular council meetings back. 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We presented it to you guys a couple times in the Metro forecasting. There's a lot of things in those models. Right. And so I don't, you know, I think they said that we needed four recreation buildings. I don't think there's a slide on here about how we're going to fund those in-grower recreation facilities that the Metro forecast. So I just there's holes in some of that justification. And I understand apples to oranges, public safety to recreation. But hopefully the point is well enough made that I just I don't like and there and the city managers, right? We made this previous council made the decisions in the past and some of them have led to the way that the current model is operated that, you know, hey, look, these couple hour cows for quarterly updates and capital management plans that we just said, hey, shoot me the email. And then nobody reads them. That's that's part of the issue. And that's on us. I'm not this isn't adversarial in the context that it's us versus them and it's all their fault. But I'm just saying regardless of whose fault it is, I don 't like whatever policy is in place, whoever created it that got to this level of governing. And that's the only point I'm trying to make and not attacking fire by choosing this as the as the discussion point. I think it was just easy enough or at least chronologically the first one that came across in this presentation that allowed me to to vent some of that concern with regards to the process. That's all. Thank you, man. These these specific ones are not I was trying to describe a process. And we're developing the. That things get in the AMP and then then that's an only enough like it. But it but when and when it's in direct response to the as an answer will cheer because it's an MP and it's not it creates problems with with the logic behind the justification. That's all I'm saying. These these originally these three that we're talking about if you remember were presented in January after the October budget was done came out of the growth model the phase two from Metro forecast. From Metro forecasting. So these are post the AMP that I was I'm trying to explain in overall our entire process how things work with getting into the. I know but it you can see where it could be confusing if you're explaining it out of the context of this exact question. That might be how it works but doesn't understand this exact discussion. So then. We have. Some up here that are maybe influenced by that answer even though it's in applicable to this and then the issues. Roll forward. Thank you. May I make a comment. Yeah. Yep. Good. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We came full circle again on this. We talked about why are we doing the projection of what the impact might be the new legislation. And we refocused back to get us on the budget so we understood that's really the mission at hand. And I'd like to get back to the mission at hand to build the budget. And we have to make a decision on these kind of things. So let's make this decision and get moving on the budget and keep it rolling forward. I think that we have a consensus up here six and two not wanting to provide consensus. So I guess that's where we're at. And to really tie us back into earlier. I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. And I think that's where we're at. Correct. Sure. Which is why we're talking about it today. Yeah. Yeah. And real quickly, why we are talking about this today, because I have January's budget workshop presentations that I've put all together and make sure I had all that information. And when you look at, and it says right here, January 29, 2026 Metro forecasting models. And staff provided the presentation to us and what the recommendation is. The last page, station 14, 15, and 16 will be needed in the near term to relieve the call volume for existing stations as the fire, the call volumes will increase due to new development. And then it goes further on. So in January, we didn't tell you, we don't want to do that . Don't bring it back. Right. So that's probably why we're here is because we had this discussion back in January. The recommendation was made. This body didn't direct them a different direction. So that's why we find ourselves here today, looking at the same material. So if we don't want to do it, we need to tell somebody that we don't want to do it. So for me, you know, when I look at this and you look at the screen, FY27, the reason that we're here today is to talk about a budget. And they want to put the design and apparatus into the budget. You either support that or you don't. So with that being said, there's no reason to design or buy the apparatus if you don't want to build Station 14. So for us, this body, at this point in time, to me, that's what I'm agreeing to. I'm agreeing to the design and apparatus for FY27. And with the understanding, it's going to be built in 28. After November, there's going to be different people sitting here. If they don't want to do it, because it's going to be brought back to them, whoever that is, for approval. Once the design is completed, and they'll have to approve it. If they don't want to, then they don't have to. So that's how I look at it. 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If I could interject here. Sure. This particular project is in the AMP. It was put in the AMP last year. It was originally identified to be funded with debt. That was primarily the reason why you all went forward with it. We talked about the LCI. We talked about the PICO funding that would probably be able to support the 2.5 million dollars in annual debt. Since that time and over the last four months as we've been developing the charter school's budget, we've made a determination from a capital standpoint that they have sufficient resources from both the restricted capital surtax as well as the committed reserves that we previously set aside that can now be funded through the LCI, which when we developed those reserves, the LCI didn't exist. And that we're at a point where we can bring this forward now and pay for it with cash, which is what we're recommending. This again saves you on the capacity issues that you might have, et cetera. Although it may look like we're, you know, certainly if you want to continue with the debt side, we can certainly do that. But we wanted to be able to point this out to you that we 're ready to bring it forward with cash. The design is 100% designed and we're ready to go out on the street and bid it and get it constructed. So that's primarily the reason why this is here. Okay. Thank you. Councilmember Killering. Yeah, it's an easy one for me to use the cash. We have it made available. It's sitting there. There's no sense. We're going to be needing debt for other things. So I just as well not labor this with the debt load and free that debt load potential and that capacity to other projects. The money's there and we got the funding from the state to fulfill the needed portion of it. So I'm all with the cash. Thank you. Easy for me one. Cash. Cash. I'm not sure what's wrong with you guys. What are you talking about? Cash? We have debt. I'm talking about what we're going to continue to counsel. We're going to do debt. Two million dollars is already there. It's in the A&P, CEPI, DCF. I'm sorry. I just got to. Okay. It's a no brainer cash. I can't wait for that one to show up somewhere. Okay. I think I just don't understand why we were even offering the debt service if we have the cash available and this is what it's supposed to be used for. And that's true. I'm asking naively. We originally we're going to. So when we originally designed this two years ago, cash was not available. Okay. We're simply sharing the debt service. Okay. We're simply showing you that look, we're, we're doing our due diligence to the extent that we can do our due diligence and we're bringing back an option for you to do something different than what the city council originally identified and said we would do. And that was debt. Yeah. Cause we were going to do it. Obviously I'm cash. All right. So you get the direction area that you need. Sounds like a, except for Mr. Long. Oh yeah. Cash. Yeah. Mr. Mason said, uh, we were originally going to debt fund it at the May meeting when we talked about the design and he's just clarifying that that direction has changed in a positive point. He don't want to build the facility. That's fine. I mean, the original cost was 12 million a year ago, but let's not talk about that. Cash. You sure you don't want to talk about it? I mean, I kind of just did, but cash. I told you the best, the least expensive time is to build it now. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. 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ahead and take a break All right, so let's go ahead and take a break All right, so let's go ahead and take a break All right, so let's go ahead and take a break All right, so let's go ahead and take a break All right, so let's go ahead and take a break All right, so let's go ahead and take a break All right, so let's go ahead and take a break All right, so let's go ahead and take a break All right, so let's go ahead and take a break All right, so let's go ahead and take a break All right Afternoon council Jackie Collins superintendent oasis charter schools In order to continue to promote a system that educates students to be responsible learners who can successfully compete in a dynamic global workforce We will maintain the following goals from our strategic plan student achievement continuous improvement community engagement and we have added a new top priority capital projects How about 4a? How about 4a? I'm sorry? And how about 4a? Well, yeah, mm-hmm The pride that the joy of my day after that conversation Our students high level of achievement is attributable to the continued implementation of a rigorous K through 12 curriculum that features multidisciplinary instruction and purposeful learning strategies Enabling students to make meaningful connections across disciplines, deepen their understanding, and apply their learning to real-world situations One of our most notable curricular pieces is a program called AVID Which prepares students for college and career readiness, which is one of our major goals Through strategies such as note-taking collaboration inquiry and goal setting Our schools outperformed our counterparts In the district again in FY26 with proficiency scores in the 70th and 80th percentiles in major core subject areas With the graduation again this year at 100% The majority of our students go to colleges and universities Many on bright future scholarships through our ACE program About 20% of our population go on to technical college or right into the workforce As part of our ongoing commitment to continuous improvement And our strategic goal of recruiting and retaining high-c aliber educators We will be participating in another salary study with Ever green in FY27 To evaluate and maintain competitive compensation levels across the school system In addition, this is an accreditation year for the entire O ASIS charter school system And as a part of this process the system will undergo a comprehensive accreditation review While the STEM program will pursue and receive a separate accreditation designation The charter schools will continue to strengthen and expand partnerships with community organizations Business and industry leaders to provide meaningful learning opportunities for our students This year our STEM students collaborated with Family Initiative To design and develop sensory toys For children utilizing its mobile unit located at JetBlue Park Students also partnered with the Weston to create sensory and fidget toys for neurodivergence activities For children and families visiting Southwest Florida In addition, our students continue to manufacture diabetes bears That are distributed to children's hospitals across the country In the coming year, we will build upon these successful partnerships By seeking subject matter experts and industry partners in the tourism and hospitality sectors To assist in the development of our new culinary and hospitality academy And the modernization of our existing culinary laboratory These collaborations will help ensure students gain relevant real-world experiences and workforce skills Aligned with the needs of our local economy Finally, we have two significant capital projects on the horizon The first is the Oasis Sports Complex Which will now advance into the construction bidding phase And represents a major investment in our students, athletic programs, and communities In addition, we are pursuing the renovation of the culinary facilities at Oasis High School By applying for the Workforce Development Capitalization In centive Program Grant The current classroom contains outdated equipment And more importantly, is not optimally designed to support modern student-centered learning We recently completed an architectural and design study That reimagines the space as a state-of-the-art culinary and hospitality academy Providing students with hands-on, industry-relevant learning experiences The project cost estimate has been developed And will be presented to City Council in the coming months for review and consideration The charter schools are presenting a balanced assessment of the city council The charter schools are presenting a balanced budget for FY 27 The budget highlights this year feature an increase of approximately $4.4 million Or an 11.75% from 2026 due to several factors But the largest increases are attributable to an increase in FEFP per pupil funding of 2.14% An increase in PICO of 13.31% An increase in LCI funding of 44% FY26 was the first year we received a share of the Lee School's 1/2 cent sales tax Of approximately $2 million And we expect to receive additional shares based on student enrollment until FY29 The governing board is ready to tentatively adopt the budget in June so we can begin our fiscal year on July 1st Are there any questions? Thank you. I'll open up for any discussion. Councilmember Kilring Yeah, the six scotax that have sent Is that interlocal agreement or is that by statute now? That came about because of a lawsuit But in after 2029 if they decide to go out for the referendum again It will become statute that they share it Okay And I just wanted to comment that basically Your approach in being able to Fulfill all of the intermediate students And those who wanted to pass on to high school Has been to Kind of cap it at a level that was reasonable for the facility as it is now Operated And I appreciate you doing that Because in this budget environment I think thinking to expand in any large way beyond that I think it's foolhardy And I think you picked up money before anybody else did And I just wanted to comment on that That you've been very accommodative And trying to fulfill the mission that's there To support all of those students who want to get in But been reasonable about the manner in which you're doing it And although we have a couple peaks In student enrollment at the intermediate school level That appears like it's going to be quelled And in good shape going forward in the next few years So I appreciate you doing that Jackie Thank you Thank you Mayor Councilmember Donnell I just wanted to give kudos to First of all superintendent great job But this is what happens This looks where it's on the city manager This screen for the public looks entirely different than it did back in 2012 We were on the brink of closing it And it just shows when there's a commitment from the council To have a long range goal To work with and partner with And see it through through the hard times And you get to something right here And who benefits the community and the children So I just want to plant that seed for the council Because this was way back But we stay strong held together and the councils throughout have done it And now we're at the point where we're just flourishing So well done keep up the good work That's all Councilmember Steinke Thank you Mayor I might have missed it Is there a student population projection last year versus this year? We're maintaining steady with our student population As a matter of fact Councilman Kilray was just talking about Being very careful about enrollment Because our high school is full currently And we need to make sure that we have a large matriculation rate Between all of our schools to go through to the high school So we're keeping a focus on our enrollment to keep levels steady So that we can accommodate everyone that wishes to matric ulate according to chapter 26 We have wait lists at every single grade level So enrollment is really not an issue for us at this point like it is for Lee County Did I answer your question? Yes I think that number is 978 something like that right? 950 is about all we can do at our high school The way it's built we're at capacity And we're yes we're trying to maintain 950 Okay all right thank you Can I get in an advertisement yet? Yeah My next town hall meeting is going to be September 26th And it's going to be the special topic is going to be charter schools And Ms. Collins will be making a presentation there And it's going to be a Cape Crest here in September 26th 10 a.m. to 12 p.m. Thank you All right. Thank you. Seeing no other lights on. Thank you for the presentation Okay, whoever's next there. Mr. City Manager. It's actually the city attorney. Thank you mayor. So these are the the mission statements and the department goals and priorities and this is really a summarization of kind of where we are right now where we intend to continue to go We continue to provide legal representation to all the various departments including some of the new initiatives that have been emerged specifically as we're dealing with the speed cameras in the school zones we've We've we've expended a tremendous amount of resources in defending those and prosecuting them. We've also off and that as part of my initiative have tried to whittle down the utilization of outside counsel that continues to be one of my core objectives in ensuring that we continue to bring matters in house as it stands right now. You know, we've we've we've got a department that still is a couple more employees to fill that set something that's going to happen hopefully in the near future with the with the ability for me to house them. But as it stands right now I'm not asking for any program modifications. There is an increase in my budget, but that is based upon the study that was done and approved by this counselor during during the last year. And that's the only reflection right there is the 214 is based upon the migration on the study that occurred. And that's all for any discussions. Seeing none. Could you elaborate a little bit with the 214 is for it is my understanding and I've got this from finance and hopefully finance can back this up it is as a result of of the salary study that was conducted last year. And as part of the budgetary process that occurred in the new salary study that is to reflective of that amount. At least that's what I was told. And they're not. Okay. Because I didn't add anything to it. Okay. Thank you. Any any questions for the city attorney? Uh, that's when we last year. Thank you mayor. Um, Mr. City attorney, just to clarify, when you say the increases from a salary study, just, uh, if you could reiterate for me, uh, again, this doesn't include new positions, it would be just increases on the positions you have. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Thank you mayor. Okay. We'll move on. Uh, seeing no other lights on. Move on to the next department. Good afternoon, mayor. Council members. Andrea Russell, city auditor. Um, so basically we haven't really changed our goals and priorities. Um, since I started in 2017. Um, most important one though, I think is we should probably move it to the top is continuously work to improve department relations to be trusted advisors to the city. Um, so we're in the process right now. We're in the process right now of developing the audit plan. And I have to say, I think that that's one of our most successful priorities. And that we have gotten an, uh, a really good amount of, uh , suggestions from directors and deputies and managers, um, and council members on, um, what they think needs to be looked at by the office. Um, so that's one of our, uh, one that I'm most proud of. And I think we do a really great job on. Um. Um, as far as our, um, numbers, we do have, oops, went the wrong way, Nicole. I shouldn't be operating this. We do have, um, $164,000 increase, um, which is about 10.73 %. And that is mostly due in part to, um, personnel increases. And, um, the largest part of that, or one of the largest increases is, uh, contractual, uh, requirements. It 's not adding staff. Um. We do have a program. Um, we do have a program mod, uh, request in for, um, it is for personnel and what I'm requesting and why I'm requesting is I'd like to, um, change one of my entry level internal auditor positions to a higher level audit manager. Um, we did post for the two positions at the same time. We interviewed and out of, um, probably about 20 or 30 applicants, uh, we got one. We narrowed it down to three. And then as we were, we tried to fill both of the internal auditor positions, um, the other two candidates were not viable. Um, so we were only able to fill one in that position has been vacant. Um, I just have not been able to, uh, audit at , or, or, um, hire anyone at the entry level position. So that's the only reason why, um, we have that program mod in . Um, and, um, as far as the $164,000 increase, um, like I said, the majority of it is personnel. The, uh, other portion of it's about 18,000 is, um, the largest portion of that would be for external audit services, um, where it was removed from our budget in 26 and it's just being added back in, in case we need to engage with, um, any external auditors, the external auditors that perform the city audit, um, or other specialty, um, aud itors. We are looking at performing, potentially performing, um, some audits of utilities that sometimes require special, specialized knowledge and skill that if I am required by our, um, our state auditorium, um, our standards that we audit to that if I don't have the capability to do it, I have to go out and get it. So, so that we can perform the audits. So those are the major increases. Um, there's other, there 's also some other savings that are in there that kind of net out the reason why there's only an $18,000 increase in operating. Okay. That's all I got. Any questions? All right. Uh, I'll open up for any, uh, discussion. Seeing none, I just have one quick question and I think you mentioned it, uh, in your comments. It appears, uh, that you have one position, uh, says internal auditor, uh, that has been vacant for more than 180 days. Is that the position that you said you were having problems filling? Yes. And what was your desire with that position to re to rec lass? So I'd like to reclass it, um, to a higher level, the audit manager level. All right. All right. That's all the questions I had. Um, council members. Thank you. Thank you, mayor. Actually, it's not, it's not a question, uh, for the city auditor, but before we move on to the next department, I just wanted to ask a question spurred by something that, um, uh, was just shared and it's going back to, uh, uh, the, uh, the attorney's office, um, of that, that 214, 259, how much of that is contractual? And how much of that is just predicted increase? Um, yeah, cause I don't, you guys know numbers. I don't. Uh, I don't have the number, but you will see a common theme across the departments where we're incorporating, um, changes from the study that was approved last year for those non bargaining, uh, positions. So salary increases as a result of that along with any, um, union contractual, um, increases that we, we are required to do per any of the union agreements. So personnel across the board, you will see, um, increases in each of the departments. What, what would be helpful for me maybe tomorrow, um, is when we're going to make these decisions is to know how much of that is contractual in each one of these instances where if we're seeing a personnel increase, number one, is it added staff? Number two, is it a contractual increase to existing staff? Um, or is it predicted, uh, increase, uh, to maintain current staff? And also included in that is, um, contractual increases related to insurance, health insurance costs. All of those are in that personnel services category. So, um, we're, we, we're expecting, is it 10% for the insurance? 10% for the insurance. So that's built into the increases as well. Um, but it sounds like you're asking for, um, by department , a breakdown of the expense, of the increase that's related specifically to the salary study and any, um, union increases? Yeah. Or, or, or we have, we have, you know, certainly city managers, city attorney, their contractual employees as well. And if, if there was any COIs, you know, uh, uh, COLs that were in there, you know, that should, that should play in here. It's something we can't trim if we, if we needed to, unless we're going to break contract. Right. And so for instance, the increase at the city attorney's office, the 214, 259 is an increase of 5.93%, uh, as, as listed on whatever slide that is 48. Um, if, if we're expecting an increase, you know, 10% in benefits insurance, whatever, what part of that is that actual, that 5.93, what, what percent of that is, is the benefits that. We get, we're going to have to pay anyway for that position . Just as we would look at trimming the fat, so to speak, you know, how much, how much of it's trimmable, how much of it really isn't based on contract or an expense that we have no control over. Yeah. I will say that. It's really non-discretionary because what's included in that is positions are positions that are filled, um, insurance, retirement contributions. Um, all of that is what we consider non-discretionary. Um, and then vacant positions. Those maybe we would have some flexibility on that would be included in that number as well. Any requested positions or added positions would be, as we go through the slides, you'll see those singled out on the slide for you to make that determination. Okay. So you'll be able to see that it's not, whether it's in the number or not. All right. Thank you. Uh, seeing another lights on, we appreciate that presentation. And, uh, before we move on, one question I forgot to ask the, uh, the city attorney. Um, it appears that you have one, two, three positions in your office that's been open more than 180 days. Uh, administrative specialist, senior administrative specialist, and assistant city attorney. Can you maybe elaborate, uh, why is such the, uh, length of time and, uh, as far as the positions being open? Yeah, uh, originally in, uh, we're in 2020, uh, originally in January of, of last year, I had commenced the process of modifying the office to accommodate, uh, the space for other, uh, for these, for those positions in anticipation of getting that in October one and then filling it, uh, there shortly thereafter. Unfortunately, uh, it has been, uh, longer than expected for that construction activity to occur within my office. I think we're getting up to around 500 days so far. So that is the reason and the basis by way of which I've been unable to fill those positions. And if you could, I think it's 200 some days, which is from October one. So when I originally started back in January, I thought that it would be done right in time or right in line for me to fill those spots. But as a result of, of that not occurring, because it was melted into another security enhancement within the city, within the city hall, uh, I've been delayed. And that's the reason, but the, but I'm cautiously optimistic that it's going to get now constructed and then I can put those positions out for advertisement because we 're, my office is, is again, taking out additional responsibilities to all the different things that we do. And we're getting stretched relatively thin. Okay. Thank you. That's all right. Thank you. Go ahead. Good afternoon. Nicole Reitler, Deputy Financial Services Director. On behalf of the city manager's department, I'm going to walk through their departmental goals and priorities and some of their numbers for the fiscal year 2027 requested budget. Um, within their department goals and priorities, they would like to ensure quality services are provided to all residents, businesses with a focus on long-term financial sustainability, create and sustain financially responsible city services and improve public trust, establish an environment that promotes economic innovation, supports educational and economic advancement of residents and allows businesses to grow and thrive within the city. Strengthen resilience, environmental stewardship and sustainability to protect and enhance natural resources and ensure the community's long-term wellbeing. Continue to organically grow followers on social media platforms to increase engagement and awareness. Develop proactive public relation campaigns to promote positive stories and achievements within the community showcasing the Cape Coral as the desirable place to live, work and visit. Establish a vision plan for burnt store 300 acres and academic village and to develop and execute an action plan for the economic development master plan. Within their 2027 requested budget highlights from the fiscal year 2026 amended budget to 2027, we did see an increase of about a million dollars or 7.52%. Um, it's not indicative of actual numbers increasing. Um, it's not indicative of actual numbers increasing. Um, so within the fund, we did see your standard personnel increases based on a result of contractual pay increases. They had increases in retirement costs as well. But within their operating fund, um, we did recognize an additional $1.1 million of fund balance that was sitting in our economic development fund to utilize those funds for economic development incentives. So instead of having the funds sit out in the fund balance, we're recognizing it in 2027 offsetting it with that expenditure, the revenue and the expenditure so that we can move forward and keep advancing the growth of our incentive program. As well as we also did recognize $221,000 in facilities charges. Previously, facilities charges were sitting within government services. We're now recognizing those costs within our departments so we can track all costs related to departments whole and a whole. Um, on top of it, we did increase our incentives within our CRA to recognize 1.2 million there. That's where you're seeing that overall increase in operating of 3 million. We did have the out offset within our, um, transfers out a decrease of 2.25 with the CRA capital projects. Um, those funds have decreased for transfer out to capital projects as we're recognizing additional funds within our operating for economic incentives. Um, those funds have been a little bit more than $1,000. Um, those funds have been a little bit more than $1,000. Um, those funds have been a little bit more than $1,000. Um, those funds have been a little bit more than $1,000. Um, those funds have been a little bit more than $1,000. Um, those funds have been a little bit more than $1,000. and with that I'm here for any questions yeah open up for any discussions regarding city manager's office okay doesn't look like we have any at this time so thank you for the presentation thank you I'll continue on with the City Council departmental goals and priorities for the City Council are to invest in resilient infrastructure preserve Cape Coral's natural resources for current and future generations maintain a financially sound government and high-performing organization create a community of prosperous residences thriving neighborhoods and successful businesses cultivate and engage in informed community and workforce and deliver exceptional city services and high-quality amenities within your 2027 requested budget highlights from our 2026 amended budget to our 2027 requested we saw an increase of 26,120 or 2.04 percent you're going to see that within your personnel services a small increase there where we had a decrease within your operating services moving within lines and truing up your actuals overall there was no program modification request for 2027 and with that I'm here for any questions any questions regarding city council budget thank you thank you good afternoon city council mayor kim berly brun city clerk and our slide presented here are here is the city clerk's mission statement and along with the department goals and priorities this includes where we are at now and where we continue to go as we approach the next fiscal year as you can see we have been instrumental in working this past year with the charter review commission the city council and the elections office working toward the refer enda deadlines we're actually going to be wrapping up some advertisements for those coming up in time for the primary election we continue to provide city email service delivery for city employees we continue to provide city email service delivery for city employees we continue to provide city email service delivery for city employees offer public meeting support training and development and so on we have added some services this year i'm not sure if council's aware we uh thank you you just approved garage sales last night so um we've been helping the code department up until then with all of the garage sale permits we have recently taken over boat and rv permitting we're very excited to work with the customer base on that service along with foreclosure registrations i am happy to talk about item number 11 with the rental registration program recently in a budget amendment you had offered you had approved a research specialist in a contract position to help us with our numbers we have we're approaching 7 000 rental registrations since january 1st and um very excited about that program just filled the one position you gave us for a research specialist and june is going to be great so happy to say that let's see so um for our budget highlights um or actually i've asked for one modification i have one modification request for one position a senior customer service representative for passports i do talk about passports a lot over the last few years um as you may recall we had four full-time front counter passport people for many years two of those positions were transferred out to pd so we've always been looking for opportunities to beef that staffing back up to grow the program we are doing very well with it we've cross -trained other employees to help keep our budget numbers on our revenues on track but if we're looking to grow the program it would be necessary to add a add another senior customer service representative i do find that we turn away customers we can't offer first- time photos there are certain services that we just have to say no based on the customer volume let's see so budget may be able to help me explain this the best but you will see where my numbers for the amended budget versus the fiscal year 27 requested budget we have a um under the amended budget under operating that one million seven eighty seven five 22 is regarding the rental registration program it is uh let's see what i have here in my notes it is the starter funds for that program that were awarded in the budget two amendment the uh reserves in fiscal year 27 are based on it's also rental registration related a planned spending is less than the anticipated revenues so that's what the reserves are for those three years and that's all i have okay thank you uh i'll open up for any uh discussion anyone have any questions for the city clerk councilmember kilroy yeah i'm just interested in the passport function um i i i know that it's well well used uh in the city uh a lot of other states do it differently are we required by statute to do that or no it's a service that we provide we elect to provide and i know it's it's uh certainly desired by the public to have that so i think it's a good thing so uh whatever we can do to continue to support them i'd like to um educate the council many years ago maybe 13 14 years ago the county offered that service in keep coral just across the street but because of the economic downturn they closed that part of their services off so in order for uh city residents to be able to not have to go over the bridge the city clerk's office took on that program and uh it's been very successful uh bringing quite a bit of revenue i think since we started it's over two million dollars i do know that uh we did have a slow period when covet came because not even the country was doing passports so the whole system got shut down and so i and i believe that had a lot to do with why we lost the two employees to pd is the numbers didn't substantiate um the need for all of that staff but now everyone's back on track with traveling and renewing those passports and having their children renewals and such so we're very busy and it sounds like it might be one of those things that if we get in this pinch that we might be considerate of looking at to curtail but i think that's one that we probably would want to really find a way of finding additional fees from the public to be able to support it isn't it it's fully self-supporting yeah it's already paid that that if you look at the expense to what the revenue comes in that program is fully self-support it's a hundred over 100 recovery well maybe we want to make it more than 100 percent it's actually generating more money to help support the the clerk's functions i'm saying let's let's it's popular it's it's well that's why service that's why she has it on here and as a discussion for you all she'd like to add that senior customer service rep there are services that we could charge for such as you know taking the photo that people could get right here and right now they're having to turn them away they got to go get a picture and then come back so they could generate additional revenue and and and make it even more uh make a better service for our customers it's a it's a value out of perception by the public it's something that they seek that 's eager and my marketing brain tells me to raise the price so i think the prices are set by the 35 is um yeah a specific fee that we can't we can't go up or down um yes yeah the price for the passport is set by federal statute okay but the price of taking a picture is something we can do yeah all ways to skin the cat any other questions i guess the only thing i have is right now this particular position uh if you look on slide eight of our presentation is not a proposed budget so i think it would be a consensus from council whether we add that position and we don't have to have that discussion now but it's sometime during uh today i think would be important you can do them slide by slide if you want okay yeah it would probably be helpful all right so this particular uh i guess i'll open it up for the floor to see if we want to fund this particular position that sounds like uh is no uh uh expense to the general fund it sounds like it's uh self-funded out of the revenue that we generate with the passport program the expense the expense is in the general fund but there's a there's an offsetting revenue revenue in the general fund right i definitely support that position all right so i'll open it up for any other uh discussions on that or do we want to go down the line and uh give a thumbs up or thumbs down because it sounds like that's what staff's looking for uh councilman caduke you want to start this time we're just going down the line sure uh yes we know i'm fine with it okay pictures first time pictures absolutely and many more pass ports to be completed okay thank you thank you very much well good afternoon mayor members of city council my name is brett limbaugh i'm your development services director i want to cover our mission statement with you very quickly and it's the development services department provides services and programs that enhance community value our employees are professional and courteous and strive to enhance the quality of life for our residents and our visitors we serve today's development demands while planning for tomorrow's community needs the development services department is made up of several divisions i am in the administrative division there are only a few of us in that division but there are also the permitting division the building division our planning division our land development division of course of course code enforcement currently we have about 150 employees there are several vac ancies primarily in the permitting and building divisions we are looking at filling those positions and in some cases maybe doing some repurposing of those positions to assist with issues that our constituents bring to our attention we have a number of goals and priorities that are listed on this sheet they are certainly not inclusive of all of our priorities and goals but they are some of the main ones the first one on your list has to do with our intergov building permit system we have a business analyst brian kenney who works very closely with our technology department to improve this system on a day-to-day basis we also have and many of you have been to see our morning meetings that we have with the city manager's office and it to look at how we report out metrics from that system and when we do that we often find additional glitches in the system that need to be fixed and so we're going to continue to do that the system is getting better with all of Brian's hard work and IT's hard work, city managers' hard work. We also have our public works department involved in that effort as well. So we're constantly looking at ways to make this system better. We currently operate our plan review system, which is called Bluebeam. We are looking at moving to another form of software, but we're waiting for it to be troubleshooted by some other cities so we make sure we understand what it is that we're buying. And that is called DigiPlan. Our second priority here has to do with our code enforcement group. And we talked a little bit about this last night. Their goal is to reach 75% of cases proactively. That is code enforcement officers out in the field actually finding violations rather than being reactive, which is just waiting for the calls to come in. I'll give you an example from just last May. Our code enforcement staff actually created 2,803 cases. Of those, 435 were called in. 2,369 of those were ones that were found by our staff in the field. So that's an 85% clip rather than 75%, which is what we're striving for. So I'm very proud of them for being on top of that. And that's with three or actually five positions that are still yet to be filled. We're actually looking at a software demonstration tomorrow called City Detect, which is a camera that could be mounted to vehicles and will actually register different types of violations. The most common usage of those is to put them mounted on trash trucks because the trash trucks will go down every street at least once a week. And so if you want to program it to look for certain violations such as, you know, missing roof tiles or trash or junk cars, you can program that into the system. It will automatically detect those and report it back to our offices so that our officers when they're out in the field can go directly to that place rather than just the formal patrol up and down the streets every day. So we're excited to see if that works. We're going to continue to take a look at our land development code and make improvements to that. We had a couple cases last night. For example, one that Kim talked about earlier, which is transferring the licensing capacity from our land use code to city clerk, and that's for garage sales. And then we had a minor amendment that was forwarded to us by Mr. Kilrain, which had to do with generators and where they should be located. The current restrictions were a bit much, and so we added some additional latitude. But certainly you will be seeing those very often from our department. We are working on looking at our recovery metrics for funding that we bring in. Development services does generate a tremendous amount of funding. The shortcoming of the building fee schedule is that it was last updated in 2009, and so it does not have an escalator, so we've been 17 years with the same fee amounts. Matt Granbeau talked to you about 803 last night and the restrictions on how we can charge fees in the future. We can no longer use valuation-based fees, which means normally across the country you use ICC valuation tables. We're not allowed to use those anymore. So it really is truly a time and materials calculation that we're going to have to make. Fortunately, we were already, we're almost under contract with a consultant to do that preparation. Now that that is statewide, we are very fortunate to be one of the first entities to actually be under contract with a consultant to do that. And that's statutory requirement. So that's going to change how our fee schedule for building permits is done. Okay. Lastly, we had provided two sessions for the council last year on floodplain and floodplain regulations. The ultimate goal is to change our community rating system from a 5 to a 4, which is better, which will reduce our insurance rates. We have yet to bring that third presentation to you, but that will happen shortly. So when we go to our funding, I think what jumps out here immediately is the decrease, which is just over $2 million. A lot of that has to do with the fact that we have not acquired our SHIP funding, which will be coming in in August. That's about $1.5 million of that. And that is the State Housing Initiatives Partnership. That's a program that we use for producing and preserving affordable housing. The remaining $500,000 of that delta is a variety of different things, which I won't go into. When we look at program modifications, we talked last night about the mitigation number. We were going to ask for $300,000 to put into that line item so that we can basically do weed and trash removal. Sometimes that involves actually doing some repairs. We are not in the home improvement business, but if, for example, someone has abandoned a home and there is a pool that needs to be closed up or repaired or a pool cage that has been dismantled, sometimes we do have to go in and physically mitigate structures. So $300,000, I think, is a good number. I talked to our code enforcement folks this morning and they spend in upwards of about $30,000 a month on mitigation. I know Council Kaduik, you had asked for numbers last night and I'm getting those collated and I will get them to you and the rest of the council shortly on what our spend is. Along with the code enforcement mitigation amount, we also need some additional dollars for our special magistrates. We are wanting to hold hearings at least once a week, so we need some additional dollars for that, including police detail. And we also have to increase our postage. And so altogether that is a fairly large number, but it is necessary to keep code enforcement up and operating. We have two items pending. One is a business systems analyst. This would be a counterpart for Ryan Kenney, who is working on Intergov System. He is a one-man show right now and we would hate to lose him, but it would be very helpful to have somebody in a backup position. We also have a construction inspector for our land development department and that is very much dependent on the larger developments, such as Coral Grove. When we receive fees for that individual development, then we can use those dollars to hire some backup for Greg Carter's division. That's what I have for you today. I'd be more than happy to answer your questions. Okay, thank you. I open up for discussions. Council Member Donnell. I have one question that specifically concerns Intergov. All right, I just wanted to get an update as to how, I know inside, but what are the people that we're providing the services? What feedback are we getting specifically with the Intergov ? Are you talking with Intergov themselves, the supplier, the vendor? No, because there was something with the builders, the building, and I know that was a big thing two years ago when I walked into this seat. Yeah, there was a, what they had said that it was taking too long to get through the permit process. And the work that we do every morning with the city manager 's office, we are under the state requirement for permit processing. So that wasn't the issue. Sometimes it's technical issues that they're having with uploading documents, and our permitting staff can help them with that. A lot of this has to do with homeowners who want to apply for their own permit. They're not used to the system. They're not used to, in most cases, electronic uploads, and so we help them with those. But you may be hearing that some people are dissatisfied with the system. That's generally what's happening. So I want to be very specific. Specifically with the building industry, have we gotten any feedback as to these updates that we're talking about, these improvements? What are we hearing from the people we are servicing? Yeah, we're working closely with the LEA-BIA right now, and we talk with them about any issues that they're having with Intergov or any suggested improvements that we could make to the system. They seem to be fairly satisfied with the system as it's operating right now. Certainly not all contractors are, and we are willing to work with those individuals. Thank you very much. Yes. Thank you, Ms. Al. Councilmember Kilrain. Yeah. Could you just review again the insurance change that you support, the FIDA-4, and the implications of that with respect to your staffing? Yeah, if you're talking about the community rating system, so this primarily has to do with floodplain and improving our insurance rating. And so there are certain steps that you can take to increase your score, which ultimately will be of value to our citizens and their homeowner's insurance. So, for example, if we went from one foot above base flood elevation to two foot above base elevation as part of our code, that would score points, right? And so that is one of many things that we can bring to you. I'm not sure if that is going to be palatable, but we will certainly bring that and other ideas with us next time we visit with you. We can talk to you about what each of those items would score and how we can get to that next rate, which is a four. Is that mostly staffing related to be able to put more man power on it? It can be. I mean, we have a full floodplain program right now. We have a division manager and two staff that look at all floodplain permitting that goes through our city offices. So that does help. Yeah. Again, in thinking about the budget constraints we may be facing, it's obvious that, you know, you look at code enforcement and you could always start tailing back on code enforcement to save manpower and not fill vacancies and that type of thing. I think that's the wrong direction. I think the preferred direction would be we're being mandated in areas like the 803 to be able to support that, do the staffing that we need to do to support that, and then find a way of taking that fee and distributing that against all permits in a manner that makes sense, that's not, you know, a free recovery for that service. And if there are other areas in there like the reclass ification to provide the insurance, maybe we can find ways of doing similar to that to be able to support the manpower to get that, then that's sellable as a value added to the public. So, I mean, we can tell them that as a result of statute we 're being required to do this and as a result to improve your insurance position we're trying to do this. I think it's a sellable increase that you might be able to entertain. Also, unregistered contractors. I know we haven't proactively been doing anything there, but you had talked about doing something about unregistered contractors. Can you share some of those ideas? Yeah, and so for those who may not know, we don't actually register contractors in the city. That's done by the state through DBPR. So if we find an unlicensed contractor working on a job, then we basically report them to the state DPPAR. They have come down recently to talk to us about doing operations to find additional contractors that may not be operating with a license. They've talked to us. They've talked to our police division about different things that we can do to clean up that issue. Okay, and certainly the contractor world is supportive of that. Yes. So I think that that's another service that we could create fee for and do a better service to the community by doing it that way. The other thing is any kind of ability to kind of modernize the methods we're using, like the garbage truck cameras. Although I remember seeing pictures of city manager driving a garbage truck as a result of this. But I'm thinking even drone opportunities there that you may not have done. Anything that we can do to leverage technology to be able to provide improved or continued service at the same level are real sellable things. And we're going to need to look for those kind of innovations as we move forward when the budget crunch is hitting us. So, I mean, they're all little small steps, but they'll add up. You know, just as we had our discussion last night and, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollar thing, you get six or seven of them and you got a million dollars pretty quick. Yeah. You know, our code enforcement officers are limited to observing observations essentially from the streets. So we can't use drones. You know, the only thing we could do is if a neighbor allows us onto their property to observe something on an adjacent property. That's okay. But, you know, we can't use that technology, unfortunately. I'll give you a for instance. We drive by a lot of tractor trailers and cars parked in vacant lots that we know aren't to be there. That we can find. And we either proactively see it or someone reports it to us. And you run a drone system or you pick up on that stuff and you go out and then nail it. You know, so that's what I'm thinking, you know, to accelerate, facilitate. Great. I'm looking for opportunities where we create revenue. And that revenue either improves the service and or it allows you to expand your current system, even though it may not be directly related to that. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you, Mayor. Councilmember Steinke. Thank you, Mayor. Just a couple things. When you're talking about our CRS rating, I know when Hurricane Ian came through, one of the things that we did in an effort to assist the residents in getting their homes repaired and to recover from that is we switched our look back from 60 months to 12 months. As it relates to the 50% rule. Have we, are we considering increasing that look back as a way to get additional points to increase that rating to get back to a longer look back period in that 50% evaluation? You know, I'm not sure if that's going to be part of the menu that we bring to you, but we'll certainly take it under consideration. Yes, please. Sorry. Ryan Lamb, Emergency Management Resilience Director. Senate Bill 180 doesn't allow that anymore. It's only one year under the current legislation. Until October of 27? There's a number of provisions in there, but, yeah, that's one of the things that's in there. We kind of tag team on the floodplain management stuff. Okay. All right. Thank you. And as it related to the presentation that's being given to you with the use of cameras to observe potential. Code violations and whatnot. In general, I'm highly supportive of that. Obviously, using technology, more and more using AI for things. For, you know, less funding necessary, obviously, than having human personnel do that. If, in fact, that was being looked at, would that not affect the capital outlay in the budget? If we were to like that presentation, let's say, does the capital outlay deal with any of the cameras that would need to be purchased, or is that more of a service that would be paid for, that we would, that we would pay for as an expense, an ongoing expense? Yeah, it's an ongoing expense. It's an annual expense for this service. Okay. And they supply the equipment? Yeah. I see. And if that were to happen, would that be considered a proactive, anything that was identified? Would that be a proactive, or would that be considered a reactive, or would we have a third category that said proactive, reactive, and camera reported? Oh, that's a very good point. We probably ought to create a third category just for that. Okay. Just a little. Just a little. The AI software just creates a searchable database of video so that we can say, we'd like to know where there are vehicles parked in the swale. And it'll give us, here's the 72 address that you have. We, our code officers have to go visually look at it. So what it allows us to do is be way more efficient in our proactive enforcement. Because instead of just driving around and finding them, we 're able to say exactly what we're looking for. Tall grass, broken window, whatever. Visually observable things from the street. Not the fear-mongering of spying in the houses and people's windows. It has, it's replacing the visual eye, but creates a search able database so that we can say, tell us where the shingle, you know, there's no roof. So, but we still need to physically, an officer needs to physically go there and see it. It just helps us in our proactive. Oh, without question. And the thought of it, the thought of it replacing a citizen who obviously can see that, Carl, sitting in the sw ale, calling 311 or emailing 311, that then has to identify themselves, which they don't like , which we have no control over because it being a state statute, to be able to use technology to do that, to relieve the homeowner from having to tell on their neighbor , you know, so to speak, and fear retribution and whatnot. I think it's, I think it's an effective use. And I just wanted to make sure if it was going to require a capital outlay for the equipment that, and when I see the capital outlay going from, you know, six and a quarter down to two and three quarters, I go, well, you know, if this is a program that we end up, you know, liking, do we have the money for it? And other than that, then, from the standpoint of the ongoing expense of it, where would that be found in the budget if you were to decide to go that way on the monthly or annual expense that we put out to that service? Yeah, we don't have that currently programmed into our budget right now, and so we need to work with finance to settle that. It would be classified in operating expenses. Okay. Okay. Okay. And it looks like we have a tremendous decrease there. Hats off to you for being able to trim that off of there, but that, you know, I would look forward to the results of the demonstration and how you feel about that. And if that were to be a way to relieve our citizens, you know, from having to be the, you know, initiator of that in an effort to keep our city as beautiful as it can be. So I'd like to make sure that we understand what that expense might be. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah, I got a couple questions. First of which, I don't know if the council recalls, but a while ago I'd gotten a second to work on a program where we would have someone out there to do enforcement for unlic ensed contractors. Yep. And I think the, what we've identified as a position is what's called a building enforcement officer. We're thinking two of those. I'm still waiting on staff to get back with me to find out exactly what the cost for the first year and then the subsequent years thereafter, what that cost is going to be with the methodology that we would apply, whatever that cost is towards additional permit fees. So, yeah.

Okay Welcome to the meeting of Planning and Zoning Commission today's date is Wednesday June 3rd It's now meeting will now come to order now have a moment of silence Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Madam City Clerk, please call the roll Yes chair before I do member Botama has asked to be excused and marked himself Apking here Estes here Martin Moore Senator Severson Lemieux And Schwartz here eight present Thank you next item five changes to the agenda adoption of the agenda are there any changes to the agenda? Can I have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as is We have a second Okay Okay All eyes Any nays Any nays? None Motion passes Next item six approval of minutes Copies of the May 6th 2026 regular meeting minutes were included for review In your backup materials or any discussion? Seeing none can I have a motion to approve the May 6th 2026 meeting minutes as presented? Second All those in favor? Aye Aye Those opposed? None Motion passes Second All those in favor? Aye Those opposed? None Motion passes Next item seven business business there's nothing under the category today Next item eight planning and zoning commission meeting public hearings First item is 8a Ordinance 26 Can I now turn over to staff for presentation? Good morning commission for the record Candace board planner with the city planning division and I'm here for ordinance 2826 or flume 26 dash 00001 good morning Commission for the record Candace board planner with the city planning division and I'm here for ordinance 2826 or flume 26 - 0 0 0 0 1 the applicant is kate baptist church incorporated and the authorized applicant is going to authorize representative excuse me it's going to be Linda Miller the address is going to be excuse me I'm sorry I can't hear you can you hear me now okay sorry sure the address is 435 southeast 10th Terrace 932 southeast 5th place and 10 04 southeast 5th place it's currently located between southeast 4th place and southeast 5th place it is going to be roughly 197,044 square feet or roughly 4.52 acres in size it is within the transition area of the city and the amendment request is a privately initiated small-scale amendment to the future land use map from single family to public facility is what the applicant is asking for a little bit of background about the site it does contain three parcels which is currently in the South Cape Coral again it does have local street frontage on all sides for the most part except the north there is a current church that's utilizing the site at this time it does have access to all utilities including water sewer and irrigation the subject parcels include lots 1 and 1 2 and 3 and block 10 61 lots 1 2 3 and 4 of block 10 excuse me 1197 both of those did have originally r1b which was single family residential district it was then changed to w designation which was for a place of worship via ordinance 9690 PDP and then the w classification was then changed to r1 which is single family residential via ordinance 419 which it has kept excuse me and then lots 8 through 11 of block 10 61 has consistently maintained the single family residential zoning and classification with no change since the original designation the site is highlighted on the screen in red the church is going to be on the larger parcel on the west hand side the left side of your screen is going to show the future land use map as current which is the r1 zoning and then the map on the right hand side is going to show the proposed which is the public facility this map is going to show the zoning of the current site which is the r1 and then we're going to i'm going to talk about the comprehensive plan analysis so per section 3.5.2.c.1 of the land development code criteria one is asking whether the proposed future land use amendment is consistent with the goals policies and future land use designation of the city's comprehensive plan policy 1.15 table one of the future land use element does indicate that for every zoning district except agriculture it is going to be consistent with the public facilities designation and policy 1.15.h identifies religious establishments as being suitable for public facilities future land use classifications criteria two in the same section is asking whether the amendment protects health safety and welfare of the community staff analysis indicates that the amendment will produce reduce potential residential density down to zero which would then lower the demand on schools parks and reduce long-term strain on public safety services criteria three is asking whether the proposed amendment and all the consistent zoning districts and the underlying permitted uses are compatible with the physical and environmental features of the site as noted in point one all of the zoning districts minus agriculture are consistent and applicable for public facilities future land use classification and the land has currently already been altered graded and improved for the current religious institution that's currently in use at this time therefore that there would be no need for major construction work on site beyond expansion or potential redevelopment any proposed work would require additional permits reviews for compliance with local state and federal regulations as applicable criteria four is asking whether the range of zoning districts and all of the allowed uses in those districts are compatible with surrounding uses in terms of land suitability or density and that change will not result in the community or traffic that cannot be mitigated through application of the development standards in this code since the subject parcel is currently being utilized as a resident as a religious institution any adverse impacts associated with future development of the institution can be adequately mitigated through the compliance process when it does come in for any permits at that time therefore the proposed amendment will not result in negative impacts on the community or traffic that cannot be mitigated through the application of the development code standards when it comes in for review standard five is asking whether the site is capable of accommodating all of the allowable uses whether by right or otherwise considering existing or planning or planned infrastructure for roads sanitary and water supply systems stormwater parks and etc the staff analysis finds that point a the site is located within the transition area for urban services it's currently served by central water sewer and irrigation utilities b is the the adequate capacity exist within the area for water and wastewater systems to support the proposed amendment traffic analysis concluded that the amendment would generate only a minor increase in peak hour trips and the surrounding road work network would maintain adequate capacity to support the proposed amendment at this time stormwater does not present a constraint to the development since the site is existing however any proposed expansion of the site would be addressed through the standards laid out in the land development code florida building codes and engineering design standards point e is whether is since the amendment would remove the single family designation it would reduce the demand for schools and parks within that area and staff finds that there are adequate infrastructure and public services available to support the proposed amendment so here on the screen we do have a impact city impact analysis for the proposed use for public facilities and the existing use for r1 staff would like to note that the calculations for the proposed pf designation was assumed with a 0.25 floor area ratio or far rather than a 1.0 so for dwelling units with the new proposed there would be none that would be allowed versus currently there would be up to 19 that would be permitted on the site the population for the new uh the new designation would be 0 versus 48 would be permitted again per site and what we would expect school impacts at this time would be 0 versus if it was built to the r1 designation we would expect about 5.5 students for the local district schools water use for proposed would be about 14 6,000 767 gallons versus existing it's about 3 800 gallons for those those 19 dwelling units um and the same thing for the sewer solid waste would be expected at 6 694.33 pounds per day for the public facilities designation versus if it was done for residential it'd be about 225 pounds per day for vehicle trips traveled it would be about 30.87 a.m peak trips for the public facilities designation and then 36.32 pm peak hour trips versus for existing the r1 designation it would be about 19 a.m and pm trips the fire department and the police department were also contacted for their input the fire department provided information indicating that this area is currently zoned by fire station 2 the future development is expected to generate less than about 15 calls annually so they are expecting only a low to moderate impact with no negative effects on the service delivery and quality for their area the police department also indicated that excuse me it would be served by police patrol zone 4 which would be in the southeast district they indicated that the proposed amendment would only generate about one to two percent increase in recorded calls for that zone and a one percent increase city-wide so they would consider that to be minor impacts given the analysis conducted staff does recommend that the future land use amendment be changed from single family residential to public facilities finding that it is consistent with the purpose and requirements for amending and the policies and guidelines um however i would like to note that staff did receive some correspondence within the past few days so i did have two emails um from residents they were inquiring the process of the future land use and what exactly this meant for them in the local area and then i did have a caller that was opposed to the future land use classification amendment and i believe she's here as well and that's all i have if i will stand by for any questions thank you thank you public hearing is now open any members of the public wishing to speak please use the podium at the entrance doors please print your name on the sign-in sheet and be sure to state your name for the record she's the applicant i'm the applicant okay and i should put my name here excuse me mr chairman for the record mike's true be planning team coordinator the city is not the applicant in this case it's privately initiated so i didn't understand didn't notice the applicant well let's switch the bring the applicant up first and then we'll put public hearing sorry about that thank you mr chairman yes good morning linda miller vice president with avalon engineering and representing cape baptist church on this future land use map amendment flume 26-1 we're requesting a map amendment change from single-family residential to public facility i have with me this morning pastor mr and mrs holler and i also have a couple of the elder board members from the church if you have any questions for the church the site is located on southeast 10th terrace and southeast fifth place it consists of three strap numbers and it totals about 4.52 acres it includes a portion of block 1197 and lots on 1061 the site is currently developed with the church cape baptist church they purchased the property and have been running the church on the site since 2010 our request is to amend the future land use map from single family to public facility for the three sites in the center of cape carl totaling 4.52 acres it will allow for the expansion of the religious facility and the construction of a communication tower in the future the church the church launched a program called true hope media it's a 24 7 day online radio station the communication tower will allow the church to expand their service area currently right now um the zoning on the property is r1 and you can see by the city's map also that candace brought forward that the area around the site is zoned r1 and the land use is single family and you have that to the north south east and west i do want to point out something on the future land use map as you can see a little bit south of the church site you can see a blue light blue colored um parcel that is another church and that land use is um public facility land use as well as you can see from the future land use the surrounding area is we have a single family adjacent to the church we also have a park site which is the golf course we have mixed use land use which is to the east of the site and we even have some commercial zoning in the red and um some multi-family zoning in the brown which is adjacent to the property to the east as candace mentioned um these lots some of these lots and the church site was originally zoned worship in 2019 the city adopted a new land development code and they eliminated the worship zoning district from that code and at that particular time the zoning was changed from worship to r1 zoning the request here is to change the future land use map amendment to public facility land use as shown in blue the city requires a couple of things when you submit an application for an amendment to a future land use map and in section 3.5.2 there's a purpose for the amendment so there's six categories that you look at to see if the amendment to the amendment would be feasible to go ahead and apply for the amendment number one is the amendment implements the goals objectives and policies of the comprehensive plan plan with this future land use map amendment but it will also when it's rezoned a zoning amendment and a site development permit for construction of the facility will be required number two the amendment promotes compliance with changes to other city state and federal regulations so the city initiated amendments to the city's land use map and has amended the city's land development code over the years and this has facilitated the need for religious facilities when expanding or developing on a parcel to develop under the city's public facilities future land use instead of a wide range of future land use classifications that permit this type of use number three the amendment results in compatible land uses within a specific area as you noted here that the land uses surrounding the property are all single family but there is a variety of other land uses within this area of the city so we did have some commercial we had some public facilities we had some mixed use areas so this land use to go to public facilities for a church use is compatible number four the amendment implements findings of reports studies and other documentation so we submitted this application with the requirements that were required at the time for the future land use map as we go through the process of rezoning there's other requirements that are needed to be provided and as we go through the site plan review process there's additional requirements number five the amendment is consistent with the city's ability to provide public facilities and services the area proposed for this amendment has adequate public facilities and services number six the amendment prepares a city for future growth this amendment will provide for the future expansion of this existing religious facility and places this use within a future land use classification specified for this type of use that's the right to be provided for the future as Candace said there's some categories for evaluating amendments and those are found in 3.5.c she went through all of the five standards we agree with her for her findings i don't have any additional information to add to her findings we are compatible and we have complied with all of the five criteria we also provided a listed species map and a vegetation map when we submitted the application you can see the existing church on the site the driveway the parking spaces we do have a couple of different land use classifications within the map and we also have a few gopher i mean sorry rolling owls on the site in conclusion the request is consistent with the policies of the city's comprehensive plan and will be consistent with the land development code as it develops in the future the requested public facilities future land use classification is more inducive to the actual site use of the property except you know um single family future land use is really of a classification just for single family even though the religious facility is a permitted use there a public facility use actually specifies religious facilities in the city's comprehensive plan the amendment will reduce potential residential density to zero and will lower the demand on schools parks and reduce long-term strain on public safety facilities and the area proposed for this amendment has adequate public facilities and services we hope that you approve this land use map amendment it is the first step in a redevelopment of the site with a larger church facility right now we have a 6 000 square foot facility we'd like to propose a 40 000 square foot facility with the communication tower we do have a preliminary site plan and if some of the residents would like to see it and you'd like to see it i can provide it to you thank you thank you okay now we'll open public public hearing public hearing is now open any members of the public wishing to speak please use the podium near the entrance doors please print your name on the sign-in sheet and be sure to state your name for the record my name is linda colleen simon and i live on hunter's run golf course and i'm one of the leadership of a few of our homeowners group in the area which is across the street from this particular area you're looking at the most important thing that i would like to point out first of all is i wish that i had the report from the planning area before coming today and that's my fault because i didn't know that i could have had it i did get a call from candace this morning i think it's important to say that i left a message at the church office and i left the message at the pastor's phone on the application his number was there and asked for a return call as the neighborhood asking about this request and i received no return call the reality though is it doesn't matter if it's this group of people that own the property what we're talking about today is a land use change that stays with the land tomorrow it could be owned by somebody else next year could be owned by somebody else our concern as a neighborhood is what does the land use change from single family which we've been told today is equivalent to 19 single-family residential homes to a public facility and i was told it could be a school it could be a church there's no limit right now except for the size of the four acres i'm sure that would be the church facility and we've just gotten the figure of 40 000 square feet versus the current 6 000 and a traffic report that says you're only going to have 30 more vehicles in the neighborhood it's important to notice that this property is completely surrounded by single-family residential homes their backyards actually touch this property except for the north end which is the unwed mother's home and all the property would be serviced by single family residential streets their service right now coming into the property on the survey is 22 feet wide so any traffic coming in for 40 000 square feet more of a church building versus 6 000 is going to be absorbed in the traffic on our streets for sure and it's not going to be just one one time of a day the land use request i might have to sit down it's hard to stand up the land use request basically hands the keys to the landowner for a designation of public facility which there's a huge amount of possibilities versus what it is now and from what we're told this morning what it is now allows for the church facility to be there the public facility is grandioso and allows for much more and when we hand the keys to them and the next step is to put in a site plan and a 40 000 square foot building and a tower by the way we found in our group that there is a public information on fcc and faa the application for uh fm radio station was applied for and approved in 2024 they also applied for a tower in red letters it says amendment to the construction permit application for the tower the application shows 148 foot tower that is equivalent to a 12 to 13 story high building again in the backyards at the property line of all of these single family homes it'll have lighting everybody in the neighborhood will see it and our greatest concern as well is rf radiation and that is not just our neighborhood we've done enough investigation to find out that this is countrywide and that has to do with radio frequency radiation and it is a realistic true legitimate concern there are court cases one that's gone as high as the supreme court we have some information on that we're happy to share it i think just one statement here community alliances example santa fe community groups such as santa fe alliance have pursued litigation arguing that local rf emissions from rights of way antennas cause severe psychological and neurological symptoms in residents these municipal control these types of lawsuits seek to block the expansion of wireless facilities or mandate municipal control where rf transmitters can be placed those are our general concerns they're real they're legitimate and when we make a land change on the land use map it doesn't go to this pastor and this church it stays with the land forever thank you is there anyone else wishing to speak hi good morning um thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak my name is abir madinat i live on 928 southeast fifth place which is right next to 932 southeast fifth place and from what i'm seeing that looks like it's about to be a parking lot for a mega church and a tower now um so my husband and i purchased this home last summer august of 2025 this home was put up for sale and when we saw it we were drawn to it partly because of the beauty there was so much space there was the burrowing owls we were like okay there's a church in the backyard that's only what sundays and wednesdays they're baptists they're only there a couple nights a week it's okay but the kids play in our backyard um we don't really have any privacy um i understand that the church has a desire to grow and serve the community but with a tower a mega church it's literally in my backyard i don't have a lot of the community but i don't have a lot of the community but i don't have any privacy now we don't have any space um i understand it's their land but it's our property too it's single family homes everywhere um that just feels very out of place um i've noticed that with the expansion of the church and with the parking lot there will be more increased activity there will be more cars more noise um i have a pool with a lanai that's going to be right there i'm worried about construction dirt dust anything in our area in the neighborhood um and that's going to alter the character of the area depreciate the value of our homes i understand it's not duplexes or apartment complexes i know it's not a sewage plant it could be worse i i get that but also as a first-time home buyer coming into this thinking oh this is nice land and now it's all getting built with a tower in my backyard that's not the greatest way to come into a new home as a new homeowner and newly married so that kind of sucks um here's what i believe is fair uh reviewing the documents online the church is driving this change they should be responsible for protecting the homes that are affected and the neighbors surroundings since as a church they should be neighborly people they should be um what i'm asking for is straightforward as the neighbor literally on on the graphs i am the next door neighbor to everything and my backyard is surrounding um i would like to be i would like to have some sort of privacy um a fence put up or something i don't know if that's something that i'd have to go through i i don't know who i would go through like i said i'm a first-time homeowner but i just feel like for respect for me and for other people maybe put a fence up put privacy bushes those eureka plants something um for the peace and quiet that i never got when i moved in um not saying that it's a bother but moving into the house i didn't know that i would have a backyard with children for youth group in my neighborhood in my backyard either so something with privacy would be nice um the parking lot is going to inevitably alter the view and the feel of the neighborhood that wouldn't be nice with a big mega church in the backyard during construction same thing like i said to clean everything up because that would be a mess for the pool and everyone involved and then with the traffic plan keeping the parking and the sound and the noise um i'm not asking for anything to you know end i understand that that's not my land it's none of my business but as a neighborhood we all deserve respect um and the church is making the change but they should also take responsibility for protecting the homes around us and surrounding us because we're all neighbors and i'm really glad to see my neighbors here um i never really got to formally introduce myself so to finally see some faces is very nice and i'm glad to see everybody here um thank you so um yeah i just i just want a nice backyard i want a nice neighborhood and to have this be in our backyard now i didn't know about the tower until now um so that's kind of crazy to think of 148 foot tower in my backyard uh with sound with light with noise um that's just i i don't really think that makes any sense uh i understand that the church is there to grow and to to do things that they need to do as a church i get that but they can do that in a more modest way i don't know maybe let like do what they need to do but back it up some there may be some flooding or some issues in the in the neighborhood but it's inevitable we live in florida it floods um but as the person my husband and i we like i said just bought this house we live right next door i just don't want to see anything going into shambles in this neighborhood and i feel like if this happens it would be unfortunate because this was the reason why we moved to this neighborhood specifically because we loved it and because of all the space and now that that's going to get taken away from us that's upsetting thank you for letting me speak today thank you thank you good morning my name is karen ramos i also live in the neighborhood my main concern would be the tower from what we understand a tower is not necessary there that they can get communications from other towers in the area that would provide light and i don't know what other kind of pollution in our area the radio frequencies we have done a little research on that so that is a real concern for us as far as the land use change um hopefully it will be a church expansion and not sold six months one year from now and have a multi-unit family multi-family unit structures there that would create the traffic the light pollution the noise pollution and all that go along with that so that is the main concern as well thank you thank you is there anyone else wishing to speak seeing none all the input is now closed before i open it up to the commissioners you mentioned that you had a site plan available so understand the future land use classification to public facility does not allow us to have the ability to it does it it does allow us to have the ability to expand the church but doesn't us have the ability to provide a tower but in reality the future land use if it was public facilities doesn't allow for anything but single family on the on the lot right now to address the residents concern so public facilities with the single zoning r1 zoning doesn't allow for anything other than single family and a few other permitted uses on the site no commercial no other public facility because of the fact that it has a residential zoning so to do anything else to the to the property you would have to rezone the property as well so this is the first step this is a land use change and then a rezoning would have to come into play okay so here's the site plan this is a very preliminary site plan this is a dreams of the church so exciting for them so they're looking into the future they would like to have a two-story church be able to do about 40 000 square feet they would like to have a basketball court inside the facility for their youth services they do have require quite a few parking spaces as you can see we provided some green space areas which would be actual there we go so the green parking spaces are actually grass parking spaces for overflow areas so the resident that is adjacent to the property would actually have a green space area next to her property and then green space for overflow parking on the other side of the street so we do agree that some of those residents should be screened with some kind of fencing and walling we've talked about that and we'd also like to meet with the residents um in a neighborhood meeting to talk about the site plan and what they're looking and seeing on the site um i can answer any questions that you have about the site of course the this land use can't be restricted to the site plan that would come through with the with the plan development project thank you you're welcome i'll open the floor for uh commissioners discussion mr martin um briefly uh i can appreciate a lot of the concerns here first of all we're talking about a land use change um anything after that is going to have to be approved by the city anyway that's correct you know i have a hard time thinking the city would allow a tower in there i think a tower would be better suited for an industrial site uh but the uh the infrastructure concerns me in the grand scheme of things the traffic uh in the residential neighborhood uh and uh i agree if if this does move forward there should be some kind of buffer involved as well so that's correct thank you thank you commissioner estes thank you mr chairman uh i've got a couple of orientation questions for me and maybe this should be directed by staff maybe the applicants uh expert can look at show us the map what is being rezoned or changed and what is staying the same i i'm getting the impression that the church building is permitted where it is or is that a the church building is a non-conforming use uh orient to me where we are now and where they want to go certainly so the religious institution that's currently on site is permitted in the r1 zoning because it does have more than three acres in site it is a conditional use they do need to have a minimum of three acres in order to have it which they do they have the four point um acres for the religious institution itself so it is permitted as it is it's not a non-conforming structure or use at this time okay now before you leave if i could we could go back to that map that you have in our packet or bingo the large area in the red square here yeah that is all r1 correct correct so then next to it we have two little squares what is that those are also r1 so all three of them have r1 zoning and future land use currently why do we have three squares and not one square or three squares instead of or rectangles instead of one big connected so the applicant does own all three just at this time they have not combined and strapped all three of the parcels so they're separate lots correct and they're basically going to combine them into one that's their proposal from my understanding is the applicant will eventually combine them before they do come in for any sort of permitting okay if we were to approve this application does that give any vested rights to the applicant for the tower or does the tower have to come back and if it comes back could you explain the process that it would need to do to come back certainly so this is just the future land use change it could come in as a as an antenna but it would need to go through site development plan review it would also need to go through building and construction review so if there's an issue at that time they would need to meet the criteria found in the land development code for wireless communication facilities and towers so we would review against that they do have to provide a study and a per on a packet in order to get that tower on site if that's something they choose to pursue if the commission were to approve the application can the commission condition that approval on any ex rupture erection of a tower be brought back to the commission for review discussion and comment from residents so no you cannot condition land use or zoning cases but this project will have to go back to a zoning we can't have a tower on single family maybe she could speak into the mic because we want all this on the record so um single family zoning district r1 zoning district does not permit a communication tower in the definition of the city for a communication tower this project to have a tower on the project communication tower it would need to go through a zoning either a traditional zoning district which is institutional or it could go through a pud process and create the zoning district for this particular development you they could expand the church under the current zoning district but they could not add the communication tower without a zoning change so you will see this in the future if the church moves forward with the tower you may not see it if the city if the church moves forward with the expansion but the church could actually do the expansion now on the current zoning and land use so the application that's before us now the only real reason for that is to prepare for the tower since they can increase the size of their facility sanctuary with the current zoning correct yes but it also it also brings the land use into conformity with the use on the property instead of a single family most of the churches within the city of cape carl are are within a public facility land use okay thank you commissioner moore oh sorry i got the wrong one okay good thank you so so basically from what i'm hearing is this is nothing to do with the expansion of the church it's for the addition of the tower so the tower does require it yes the church expansion could be done under the single family zoning district but really that's not consistent what the city has been doing with churches in the in the past right but what i asked was yes we can do the expansion of the church without changing anything so we're really here because of the tower the tower does drive the land use you can't you can't have you cannot have a tower in the single family land use that's correct okay okay thank you any other comments seeing none can i have a motion to recommend approval of ordinance 28-26 and a second second estes madam secretary please call the roll apking nay estes aye martin aye moore senator severson severson lemieux we have five eyes and two nays motion to recommend um denial is carried thank you okay the next ordinance is ordinance 33-26 i'll turn it over to staff good morning commissioners for the record anthony santor senior planner development services my credentials are in file with the city clerk's office i'm here today to talk to you about ordinance 33-26 this is a privately initiated future land use amendment where the city is the applicant and the property owner so this parcel is addressed as 2501 southwest southeast excuse me 17th ave this is along 17th ave and everest parkway and this is part of the city-owned parcel for the everest facility so it is roughly the parcel size in just over 13 acres it is split into kind of two portions as we'll see in the aerial there is the primary portion to the southeast which contains active city services and then there is a little sliver to the northwest which is currently vacant it is the leftover from when southeast 17th was expanded to connect to everest parkway so the city is requesting an amendment from the existing commercial professional land use to the public facilities land use for two reasons one the site is developed with active city services and the public facility land use classification will align the existing uses with the classification also the city owns the parcel to the east which is currently has the future land use of the public facility and the city wishes to join these two parcels together to do so we will need the land use and zoning to be commensurate to one another and align so therefore we are seeking this land use amendment so that we can join these parcels in the future it will remove some of the current inconsistencies that exist for some of the buildings on the site and allow for the expansion of the city facilities in the future when need occurs so again as i stated a little bit of background the subject parcel is city owned and operated this does but existing city-owned property to the west again that's the water reclamation facility there is a fire station to the north of this property and the property was originally zoned as r3 that was changed to c1 and then to commercial in 2019 and the commercial change was done when the future land use was amended i believe it was rezoned in 90 a year after the 89 future land use map commercial professional came out so again as stated the reason for this is that we wish to align these uses and then join the property with the existing city-owned property and then remove those inconsistencies and non-conformities and expand for future use so here we can see the site in question highlighted in the red you can see the main city or the main area of the parcel existing along the southeast of 17th ave you can see 17th ave right here running up to everest parkway which runs east west on the north side of the property you can see the remaining sliver of property along the west again that is a holdover and undeveloped given its size to the east here you can see the water reclamation facility you can also see two commercial properties that exist one being a marina the other one city service here's that fire station then what we see in the surrounding area is to the north single-family home developments as well as to the south single-family home developments to the west you can see a bunch of multi-family primarily duplex developments directly abutting the property as well as some more dense multi-family developments that exist abutting the commercial properties which front along del prado which is seen kind of on screen here on the very west of the map so here you can see the existing future land use map currently this portion is uh has the designation of commercial professional you can see the existing public facilities use here as well as the public facilities use for the fire station here do know that this is a church which currently has a public facilities land use classification as well and you can see that buffering from the what was the single family residential neighborhood of the multi-family here and the commercial professional existing along del prado so the request is to take the entirety of this parcel in both sections to the public facility to match that existing use and to match the existing use to the east i do want to highlight that there is a concurrent zoning request that is running with this that is seeking to amend the zoning from the current commercial to the institutional so here you can see the zoning again that is commercial zoning this will be re requested to rezone uh to institutional again to align this so that those properties can be combined so as required through the ldc staff analyzed this with the requirements of uh 3.5.2.c criteria one through six and found that all six criteria were consistent uh due highlighting that um criteria number six is items deemed by council so we cannot fully uh vest that criteria until council hears this and if they do bring up any other criteria they deem necessary it would be consistent with that as part of criteria number one staff also analyzed the request through the comprehensive plan and found that the request was consistent with two elements of our comprehensive plan we also looked at the sit possible city impacts and what we had noted is in policy 1.15 subsection h the comprehensive plan calls for governmental offices within the public facility to be treated with the same densities and intensities located in the comprehensive plan and land development code as those within the commercial professional district now as this site is already has the land use of commercial professional those densities and intensities were developed out to and so therefore with the public facilities change they would be maintained at that similar density and intensity use therefore no existing changes would occur from what is currently permitted to what would be permitted under the public facilities land use classification we also had uh police and fire do an impact analysis and based on the size and the request fire did note that there would be a moderate impact to fire services anticipated primarily for any possible expansion of uses given the active city services that exist on the site likewise police noted that there would be a minor impact to potential city services and did highlight that future installations or expansions of this facility may result in a little bit more intensive impacts but they could not calculate that until such time that expansions were provided to them so therefore given the analysis conducted staff finds a recommendation for approval from the existing commercial professional to the public facilities land use being consistent with the proposed requirements for amending land use as well as the guidelines of the comprehensive plan prior to this hearing staff has not received any correspondence and i will stand by for any questions that you may have thank you now open public hearing any members of the public wishing to speak please use the podium near the entrance doors please print your name on the sign-in sheet and be sure to state your name for the record seeing none all the carry is now closed i'll open the floor for commissioner discussion time the only questions i have is myself and i know there's a new headworks that needs to go into that facility out there so i'm assuming that's probably the reason for doing this that is part of the the reason for this given the requirements for the setbacks of the current facility that are necessary it requires the consolidation of those two parcels and if you can see in the aerial beyond just the potential of expansion you can see that there are some facilities that were developed along those property lines where the facility was treated as one continuous parcel this combination would alleviate all those inconsistencies and non-conformities and allow those buildings to be expanded or redeveloped as they need be right thank you okay seeing no other lights on can i have a motion to recommend approval of ordinance 33-26 and a second okay madam secretary please take the roll opting aye aye estes aye martin aye more aye senator aye severson aye lemieux aye all ayes motion carries thank you for your time thank you next item is uh item 36-26 and i'll turn it over to staff uh good morning for the record wyatt daltrey playing team coordinator of the city's planning division my credentials may be obtained the city clerk's office uh what we have before you today is orange 36-26 uh this is a city initiated future land use map amendment for 2.54 acres while the property does not have an address per se as the access is undetermined it's on the south side of the tropicana parkway west of old burnt store road and the request is to amend the future land use from mixed use to the parks and recreation future land use uh classification sites located in western northwestern cape coral this is an aerial of the site in the surrounding area the site is a platted park site which has recently been developed with park facilities as you can see to the north and to the east sporadic primarily single-family housing if not entirely single-family housing uh to the west is the state aquatic preserve land um on the other side of the canal to the south is the seven islands site and some of the history for this amendment is is connected to that site uh here's the series of the current on the left and proposed future land use and ultimately what you're just seeing here is a quick change from orange mixed use to green parks and recreation uh surrounding areas to the north and east have that yellow that's single-family residential further to the east single-family multi-family by pdp and that sort of off white color some background uh properties developed as a public park it's actually been identified as a platted park historically uh when seven islands was discussed earlier and it's uh you know roughly a decade ago there are some discussions about maybe some public private coordination putting some park uses connected to the seven island site on this property in the fullness of time those discussions were dropped and so this site is purely a city public park and so part of the reason for having a future land use map is not just to show what we see in the future but also reflect what's likely to occur in short this site isn't going to be developed mixed use it's going to be developed as a park it already is developed apart as a park and we have no intention of changing that so best to have that shown up as park on our future land use map we we analyzed uh section 3.5 to see the land development code for the six review criteria um the more in-depth reviews of the case report but really summarized here proposed amendment fully met five of the six criteria and the sixth uh involves factors open to consideration by the city council so it's likely to meet all six uh through the comp plan analysis we reviewed this amendment particularly through policy 115 i that's the parks and recreation section of the uh future land use element uh finds the amendment to be consistent with comprehensive plan to briefly conclude this amendment seeks to assign a future land use map class of a classification consistent with existing and future development of this park site the amendment is supported by the land development code and comprehensive plan staff recommends approval i have received no correspondence pertaining to this amendment uh again as a pro as a city initiate amendment uh there's no private uh discussion no private developer discussion for this so i'll stand by if you have any questions thank you public hearing is now open any members of the public wishing to speak please use the podium near the entrance of the stores please print your name on the sign-in sheet and be sure to state your name for the record seeing none all the carriers now closed i'll open the floor to commissioners commissioner senatori okay i'm looking over this and isn't this the same park we just had a ribbon cutting for yes i believe that's correct yes this is a housekeeping matter frankly so we we kind of did it before we had the zoning change land use uh and actually we have a zoning change coming up as well uh the fact that it's applied to park kind of that was really the what tells you what's going to happen on this property but we want to have these city documents the zoning map the future land use map reflect what realistically is happening okay good it looks great thank you thank you okay commissioner schwartz yeah i just wanted to say this is a great location for a park um i'm glad we're putting the land use where it's supposed to be so it's designated properly but yeah great job on the park and commissioner martin thank you i'm all about parks but i just got a quick question has the city calculated the uh potential loss of uh tax base uh that will go on we have i can speak for myself i have not uh again this being a platted park i think there would have been some some issues occurring had we decide to develop this as a mixed use like mixed use you know commercial and retail uh fact being that um i know this is true of our platted parking lots if we were to do something uh contrary to the platted park chances are that the ownership of the property reverse the original developer so um those are just things that are in the background whenever this happens so when i mentioned earlier that this was housekeeping it truly was a housekeeping matter that uh frankly i think should have been done years ago so i'm glad we're doing it now seeing no other lights i'll uh entertain a motion to recommend approval of 36-26 second second please call the role i'm sorry who made the motion motion came from senator thank you sir thank you all right good morning commissioners for the record chad boyco principal planner with the city's plan division this is another city initiated future land use map amendment for you guys to consider this is ordinance 37-26 uh the applicant for this is the city of cape coral uh the location there's two parcels that go along with this one of these is an access undetermined or it doesn't really have an address uh the property appraisers were given an address of chandler grove boulevard which is a private street within the saddlewood community uh the other parcel that is located along trafalgar parkway has an address of 232 trafalgar parkway we're looking at just a little over 23 acres in size for this proposed amendment this is within the urban services transition area and there is utilities that is available to both of these parcels uh the parcel along trafalgar parkway would have access to utilities uh the additional parcel would need some construction work to have utilities available but within the cape world sports complex there are utilities available to those sites and the request is a future land use map amendment from two different designations one of those is a public facilities designation which is a cape coral designation and the other is a lee county designation and both of these parcels that are outlined in red would go to the parks and recreation designation uh we have two maps in front of you that show what the existing future land use and what the proposed future land use is map on the left shows the existing future land use the property that is more to the south uh has a current designation of public facilities while the other parcel if you notice that it's indicated in gray that is because it was recently annexed from bleak county into the city of cape coral per state rules when you annex a piece of property into a city what happens is that the existing county designation remains up until the point that the city changes the future land use and then the zoning designation on those properties so currently the property that was recently annexed that the city owns it still retains that lee county designation and the proposal will take both of those properties to the parks and rec designation uh this would match up in line with the existing cape world sports complex uh trafalgar multi-sport complex that has baseball games softball games uh soccer games as well they have a large soccer complex that is out there as well and it would align uh the two properties that are owned by the city of cape coral into that sort of overarching parks and rec designation that is existing at the cape world sports complex surrounding designations a mixture of pineland road district which you see in purple that is inherent to the sandoval community uh the league county designation that is the saddlewood community that is to the west and northwest of the recently annexed parcel you have some single family to the south you have public facilities to the other parcel that is sort of adjacent or abutting to the cape world sports complex and then you have some single family as well so some findings of fact the site is two parcels that is located in southwest cape coral the future land use for the parcel that is to the south along trafalgar parkway has remained public facilities since the adoption of the conference of plan in 1989 that piece of property was recently up until about two or three years ago owned by a church facility which was why you saw the public facilities designation the city purchased that and now we're looking to align the designation with the cape world sports complex the other parcel was purchased and annexed to the city two years ago that's the parcel that is within that that is near that saddlewood community uh there is frontage on trafalgar parkway for the one parcel that is considered a minor arterial the site does have utilities and the applicant or the seat of the city is seeking the amendment uh for possible park expansion for the piece of property to the south and also just to align the property with uh the designation of the cape world sports complex staff analyzed this per our conference of plan uh the parks and rec designation does allow for park facilities it would most of the parks that you see that are in the city of cape coral do have that parks and rec designation and we're just looking to align all of those expeditions and would allow for any potential future expansion of the cape world sports complex however at that time that being said there is no designate there's no expansion that's proposed at this time i do know that when the city purchased the property that is near the saddlewood community uh most there's a lot of wetlands and conservation area there's a there's a drainage easement that runs along the side of that that was designated for storm water management retention to help out with the water issues that is experienced in some of those areas back there and then if we developed or expanded the sports complex right now we have a like a grass parking lot for the parcel that is located along trafalgar parkway but if there was some potential expansion you would want that parks and rec designation on that property to facilitate that expansion our recommendation is per analysis of the comprehensive plan and the land development code we recommend recommend approval of the request to designate these two sites as parks and recreation we have received a couple of emails and phone calls uh from residents within saddle saddlewood and sandoval uh most of the sandoval residents it was informational in nature and i explained what the process of this was and they didn't have any objection uh we only received one objection letter from one resident within saddlewood uh citing concerns over expansion of that particular parcel that is near the saddlewood community uh they also expressed concerns over storm water retention uh the parks facilities and things of that nature i'm here for any further questions thank you public hearing is now open any members of the public wishing to speak please use the podium near the entrance doors please print your name on the sign-in sheet and be sure to state your name for the record good morning my name is mike clifton and i live in saddlewood and for the record i'm not the objector so my parcel backs right up to the chandler grove parcel that was acquired by the city i think in 2023 and historically that area has been for drainage for the five parcels that back up to it as well as greater wood saddlewood our concern is two number one that the parcel remains as it is to help improve our drainage it does back up to a wetlands area so that may be an issue and the second item is where of concern is several years ago there was a motion by the city to try and annex saddlewood which is a unique piece of property because it is in lee county not in the city of cape coral so our object our concerns are number one the drainage issue and while how the property will be used in the future and number two whether or not that property will be used to leverage any annexation of saddlewood those are our main concerns we got a letter from the city in 24 saying that the city has no intention of doing either one of those things either improving that property or using that property as leverage to annex the rest of saddlewood farms so that's my speech thank you thank you hi my name is lou natal i live at 24 57 in quillage right my concerns are this excuse me you want to get closer my my concerns are this and the tarfalgar side of the park they took all the foliage down foliage down it was represented as a barrier for the lights and the partial parking lot which you use on the grass already and you it's the noise you took our buffer down our barrier you cut down the foliage that was along that fence line my concern is now you're talking about the back partial on the north side that's in the grade at the city whatever that are you going to cut that foliage all the way down and then we're going to all the lights are going to be like a christmas lights over there it's going to be like daylight because the lights stay on from dust till past 11 o'clock sometimes i don't know if them lights are on a timer or what but them lights stay on on the northwest side you see it now and if you cut the foliage down in the back it's going to be like christmas all all all night because you them them lights are not on a timer i don't think my concern is how far back of the foliage are you going to cut down or are you going to leave a barrier for us as a buffer thank you thank you is there anyone else wishing to speak public hearing is now closed i'll open the floor to commissioner's time discussion commissioner estes thank you very much um if i could have the staff member come up again with the um the map showing the what was and what will be or what was and what is proposed i guess thank you so the map on the left is existing we've got two blue gray parcels and we are going we are being what is proposed is to take the one on the left and make it parks from public facilities why not the parcel to the right maybe you could fill me in why we're doing one and not both and also in light of the comments that came out from some of the speakers could you give me an example of some of the more um lack of a better word active uses that we might see in parks versus public facilities okay uh to answer the first question the sort of like mirror parcel that is located in the sports complex that the parcel on the right hand side is owned by the school district okay so we wouldn't have changed first of all we don't own that property we don't have the the authorization to go that's some governmental issues they're going on as well correct so we wouldn't we wouldn't change that if they were to build a school there sometime in the future you'd want to have them have retain that public facilities designation okay uh for the second question the active uses that would go in parks and recreation are you know you've got uh athletic fields uh you can have if depending on what the zoning is if it's owned single family you can have you know you could potentially have one single family house for the designation or it's one one house per 10 per 10 acres uh you've got if you went with some of the parks have a commercial zoning just to allow for some other activities in there but you would still be required to sort of develop under the the arch of the parks and recreation which is basically athletic fields um and you know or passive passive parks you see all over the city uh you know those are the kind of things that we're looking at here but for public facilities what type of uses could be done in that parcel on the left public facilities are traditionally used for churches they are used for governmental complexes much like the everest uh everest plant or um lift stations uh so a more intense use uh potentially correct okay all you know schools churches uh governmental uses those are what you typically see so to alleviate concerns of the residents this change would lessen the threat of um a more intense use potentially yes okay thank you okay seeing no other lights uh can i have a motion to recommend approval of ordinance 37-26 move approval estes second second severinson that up secretary apking aye estes aye martin aye more senator severson from you all eyes motion carries okay moving along to item nine citizens input time i will now open the floor for citizens input any members of the audience wishing to speak please use the podium to the right near the door and state your name for the the record maximum of three minutes per speaker seeing none probably get put us now closed next item 10 any staff updates staff has new updates thanks one next item is item 11 unfinished business seeing none next item 12 member comments any member comments from the commissioners seeing none item 13 date and time of next meeting the next regular meeting of the planning and zoning commission scheduled for wednesday july 4th at 9 a.m in council chambers can i have a motion to adjourn just one yeah go ahead i may have missed her but i think you said july 4th oh july 1st okay thank you appreciate it just wanted to make sure motion to adjourn thank you

Welcome to the regular meeting of the Cape Coral City Council. Today is June 3rd, 2026. This meeting now comes to order. Please stand for the invocation and pledge of allegiance by Councilmember Caduce. Please bow your heads with me. Heavenly Father, we thank you for the opportunity to serve our community and for the trust you placed in us by the people we represent. As our state considers property tax reform and places this important decision before the voters, we pray for wisdom, discernment, and informed judgment for all who participate in that process. As we gather tonight, guide our decisions and our discussions. Help us to seek what is right, just, and beneficial for the residents of our city. Grant us humility to listen, courage to lead, and wisdom to work through our differences with integrity. We also pray to lift up our first responders, our law enforcement officers, firefighters, EMS personnel, and all who stand ready to protect and serve. Keep them safe, strengthen their families, and bless them for their sacrifice and dedication. May tonight's work honor the people we serve and bring good to our city. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Mayor Gunter. Here. Council Members Donnell. Here. Caduc. Here. Here. Lastra. Here. Lehman. Here. Long. Here. Seinke. Here. All present. Thank you. Item 5 is changes to the agenda. Do we have any changes to the agenda or I'll entertain a motion to adopt as presented. Motion to adopt as presented. Second. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Lehman. Aye. Long. Aye. Steinke. Aye. Donnell. Aye. Gunter. Aye. Caduc. Aye. Hilrayne. Aye. Lastra. Aye. Eight ayes. Motion carried. Okay. Item 7. I'm sorry. Item 6 is recognitions and achievements. We do not have any tonight. Item 7 is approval of the minutes. Do we have a motion regarding the minutes of the regular meeting of May 20, 2026? Second. Any council discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Item 8 is business and 8A is the consent agenda. I'll now open up the consent agenda for any council to pull any items for discussion. Councilmember Caduce. Item number 15, resolution 150-26. Okay. Is that all? Yep. Okay. Councilmember Lee. Yes. I'd like to pull 142-26. That is, wait a second. I'm sorry. Number 10. Number 10. Number 10. Sorry about that. That's okay. All right. Councilmember Long. Yeah. Item 6, resolution 137-26. All right. And seeing no other lights on, we have a motion to approve the consent agenda with the exception of items 6, 10, and 15. Okay. Seeing no other lights on, Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Lehman. Aye. Long. Aye. Steinke. Aye. Donnell. Aye. Gunter. Aye. Caduce. Aye. Kilrain. Aye. Lastra. Aye. Eight ayes. Motion carried. Okay. First of which is item 6, which is resolution 137-26. Councilmember Long, you pulled that, so I'll give you the floor, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, just for a generalized understanding here, I don't necessarily have a problem with it. I just, the materials that I was provided, I didn't get a clear understanding of what we were moving it to. I gather that it is just for increasing the cap because of the volume requirements for vacant lots that need mode resulting from code violations. I believe the current one is set to 80 and this says that they're, we're approving an increase, but I don't see anywhere where it says what that new cap is going to be. Did someone provide me that information? Okay, I'll turn that over to Mr. City Manager. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Crystal Feast, Financial Services Director. Yes, this is for lot cleanup for our code enforcement division. We currently have a budget set. The contracts in place don't get us to what's currently budgeted, so this would allow an increase to get us to budgetary limits so we can continue the work. So I guess what are those was my question. So the previous estimated annual amount was 85. What we have before us is increasing it because, you know, the needs are greater, but I don't see what where it's asking us or what limit it's asking us to set. So, and the reason for that was because they, we will allow budget transfers within the department to fund what is needed and as needed. As they go out and cite, make citations and actually need the work, that's when they go out and solicit the service. And so it will be contingent on that. And so if the specific line item within their budget doesn't have the funding available but department-wide they have the funding, we can transfer money within those operating lines to make sure that the service is covered. And I understand that. And I don't have a problem, again, with the nature of it. I just, I guess I'm having trouble equating the fact that originally when we did the contract we set it at 85, which needed, I would presume, a cap, which is what we set it at. And now we're coming back but saying there is none. If I'm understanding correctly. And I know it doesn't mean we're going to go spend $10 million on lot mowing but, I mean, if there was a number prior I would have assumed that there was a number now. What we're running into with this, if you remember last year we adopted a new mechanism, the 916 code cases that have us getting to compliance a lot quicker. So now we go out, we put the sign in the yard, they have 10 days. If they don't address it in 10 days, guilty. We go and address it and then we lien the property for the cost of that. It was asked back then, how much money is this going to take? We don't know. We pegged the 85,000. We're going through that. But what we're seeing in the community is we're able to deliver code compliance quicker and the liens are racking up and then either people are coming in and paying for them or when the property transfers, if it's a homesteaded, then we'll get it back. So we don't really have a number. And in this case, in lieu of in increments of every 80,000 keep coming and incrementally amending and amending and amending. In this case, what we thought the best option was for this contract, for these services to say as long as they have the budget, they're good. But if there's no budget, they can't go over it. Then we would have to come back to you and ask for a budget amendment. Okay. I get that. I guess for me from a policy perspective, I would actually prefer to have that come back just so we can kind of keep our finger on the pulse of that program. If you would like, I'm more than willing to, you know, if you want to know, tell me what number. If you want like in $50,000 increments, I can make sure you get those reports and every $50,000 we spend, I'll send, you know, we'll send you a report. Or if you want to just have like a monthly report on how it's going, I can provide you that. So we don't have a generalized idea based on our first year and a half what that annual amount should be. Then in fiscal year, the fiscal year 27 budget requests, they're asking for $300,000. So that's my problem, right? But then the $300,000 doesn't come to us because we've kind of done this blanket approval. And now, you know, we've got a million other things that we're seeing and responsible for. And now it goes on in the back room ad infinitum forever until I guess the new contract is up. That's where my problem lies. I don't have a problem with the nature of the agreement. But I think to just say, hey, you know, we originally misquoted it in the first year, which on this face makes sense except now we're a year and a half later. But we don't know after having a year and a half of data what next year is going to be. So just we'll send you an email. It really depends on the electorate and our residents, right? So if everybody was taking care of their property to where we wouldn't need this, the number would be zero. But that's just not real. I get it. And I don't have a problem with it at all. I just think there needs to be a stop. Like we need to at least, hell, $150 would be fine. But, I mean, we're not even approving $300. We could have approved a half a million dollars, I guess, for all we know. But I would prefer to set it at like $150. And then if it does get to that point, we come back. It sounds like we're already at $300, though. So really this should at a minimum be $300. $100,000. Which if this board is comfortable with that, that's fine. But let's put that in here. And then if next year it's $600, you would at least be required to come back before this board and have us again say, hey, what are we doing here? Rather than just in perpetuity for the duration of the contract. That's my only concern. I don't know whether my fellow board members share it. But I think for that reason, I'm not going to be able to support this since there's no ceiling. It's removing the ceiling, essentially. With the understanding, of course, that it's only good for as long as the budget exists. But anyways, I just wanted to say. And the only impact that we would, I mean, just so you understand all sides, the only impact that we would run into that is when we were starting to approach that limit, we would not be able to award any more code cleanups until we got the approval for the authority. Sure, which is exactly the same case today. So there could be a small delay in getting that approval if you were to go that route. Well, that's what we're doing now here today. And I don't know that I've received any emails. That would be a detriment to that process. So that's why I'll be voting no. Just wanted to make sure that I got that on the record. Thank you. Councilmember Steinke. Thank you, Mayor. Just so that I understand, this is kind of a credit and debit arena in that when we have to go out and take the action to mow that yard, to clean up the infraction, if you will, we lean the property. When they come in and they satisfy their lien, they pay the dollars, that credits it back in that arena. So those money spent, it gets to $20,000, $50,000, $80,000. Well, then someone comes in and pays a series of people come in and pay $10,000. Well, that brings that balance down again. So through the course of the year, it would be realistic to expect that that number would go up, it would go down, it would go up, it would go down, maybe ever so incrementally. But along the way, that would happen. Is that correct? That is correct on a micro scale. On a macro scale, if those transactions, so our staff spending their budget authority is a debit. And when someone pays, it would be a credit to the extent that there are people who don't pay. And that credit transaction comes back in two, three, or four years at a sale or a refinance, it could take years. But on a micro, that's exactly the thought process and how this has been working. But I don't want anyone to think that it's happening and all of these are being resolved within a month or two months. Some of these, we may never see the money back until something happens with the property. I get it. And so the alternative, whatever number we set, we set it at 150, we set it at 300, whatever it is. The alternative then is we get to a point where we say, hey, we ran out of money. We got to let all that property get overgrown. Yes. And so in keeping with the direction that council set for us last year, which is how do we get to compliance quicker? Remember, prior to this process, our goal was to get to a hearing. So a lot of responses to residents and the council was a hearing is set in a month. Once the hearing was set and they were found guilty, it would just be a code lien that would just rack up and could rack up for years. So what we were directed with is how do we get to compliance for the surrounding neighbors and the community quicker? We came up with a process. We said it was going to cost money. We didn't know how much money it was going to cost. So what we have in place is getting everything cleaned up. You've seen those complaints go down. We're not getting the complaints because now we have a process to deal with it. But the issue is that we asked you all originally for a certain amount to spend to do this. We're finding that we're exceeding that. And it's intended that we'll probably exceed it the original ask next year. So what we're asking to do here is to get authority to spend whatever budget appropriation they had to keep this program moving forward. And if it were to go to beyond that budget, then you would have to come to us for a budget amendment. Yes. So since you'd have to come to us for a budget amendment, that's enough of a safety net for me in this resolution to make sure that we're taking care of the health, safety, and welfare of the people that might be living next door to one of these properties that's not being taken care of. Thank you. Real quickly, I know we try to make our decisions with data. We approved this resolution back in January 25. That's about 18 months. How much have we spent in the last 18 months? You're saying that you want to increase it. Well, but in January of 25, we started. So those expenses through September 30 of 25 would have been last fiscal year. But we can find out from October 1 through now. Yeah, because I kind of agree that there should be a dollar amount there, just not an open checkbook kind of philosophy. I think that, you know, if you came back and said, you know, we had $85,000, but we spent $140,000 or whatever the case may be. We've spent the $85,000. That's why we're here today to increase the contract because we've exhausted that. You've exhausted that. So we're at the $85,000. So what you're doing is asking now to... So within their budget, they have an appropriation for outside services. And I'm just going to use... Let me use the $300,000 that Brett said they're asking for next year. Let's... I don't know the number. Hypothetically, let's say they have a budget appropriation that was approved for $300,000. They have authorization under a contract that was awarded to spend up to $85,000 with one vendor, which still leaves them the balance of that budget appropriation to spend with other vendors or on other outside services. What they're asking for is the ability to spend that entire budget appropriation with these vendors under this contract so that they could seamlessly keep that process moving forward. But what you're saying is we've allocated $85,000. You all gave us the ability to spend $85,000 with that vendor. So when we... Two different things. Okay. When we come to you all with a contract, we're asking you to do a couple of things. Execute at a unit price for a specific service, but you're also limiting... You're putting an upper limit on how much we can spend with that one vendor. And so outside of coming back to you and getting that authorization raised, we would have to rebid it and go out to new vendors. So are you saying in the last 18 months we've exhausted that $85,000? Is that what you're saying? I would... It's not even 18 months. October 1 was the start of the fiscal year. So between October and May. Yes. So within the last seven months, eight months. Okay. All right. Again, it's not rainy season. Again, it depends on our citizens and our businesses. If everybody's doing well, we don't need a lot of this. If it's not and we wind up in a situation where people stop taking care of their properties, you could have a run on it. You know, it's a fluctuating by month, fluctuating by year, which is why we thought the best thing to do was to say, okay, if we've gotten this amount of budget appropriation, let's get approval to not exceed that so we can go execute. Mr. City Attorney, can we, if we wanted to today, could we put a ceiling, a cap on that versus... Part of the motion. As part of the motion. Okay. Thank you. Councilmember Killling. Yeah. That's, I was going to ask that. Could we reduce that amount right now and just cap it at a level? And so based on that, and is there someone else to, I would make the, make a motion to approve it at a level of 200,000. Capped. Not to exceed. Is that your motion not to exceed? Yes, that's my, yes, not to exceed. Okay. Is there a second for that motion? Second. All right. And we'll keep going down the line here. Council Member Long? Yep. Yeah, so I guess procedurally for that one, Mr. City Attorney, we would just, we would just split that difference between the two contracts that are being amended here. Well, it sounds like you're talking about a total cap of 200, right? Correct. For this? Correct. Correct. So from my perspective, I would say resolution, it would be approval of resolution 137-26 for not to exceed amount of $200,000 in its aggregate. Okay. Okay. Well, what we're doing is we're modifying two existing contracts. Right. There are two existing contracts, but you're, you're identifying a monetary amount. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We would apportion it evenly between the two, whatever the difference is. I would have, I would presume they're both the exact same. Except that one, I think is monetarily different than the other regarding. They do per, per mo, certainly, but, but they both have that same cap. If you wanted to do that. That's what, that's the way I understand it. But, but anyways, that wasn't my main, my main point. Um, I think what the mayor was, was trying to get at, um, is how did we get to that three? And I know we're kind of going off track here, but how do we get to that 300 number with the data that we've got now? If you guys are saying that we, we capped at 85, where are we, do we have a backlog of requests that would get us to that number? Or how did we come up with that arbitrary 300 if we spent 85 and now we're telling them that our, our, our, while Brett's coming up there, I do want to point out to you all. And it's pertinent because now we've moved it to 200 when he's already said 300 next year. So I want to make sure. Well, and that's why I want to bring up the next point. The, there are two, there are two different services here. One is for the overgrown grass and landscaping that runs wild. The other contract is for debris removal and repair services. So if there's junk on the property and we have to have junk lugged out or there's an unsafe pool or a broken window, there's two different contracts. So I just want you to be mindful if you're setting an, an aggregate, you're only really a hundred thousand each. You're only giving us 15,000 more. It's about one month of burn rate. So, but go ahead, Brett. Okay. Um, and, uh, this Brett Limbaugh and development services director. Uh, thank you for the question. Um, we were just looking over our numbers from last year and we hit about 219,000. Uh, we, we're being much more aggressive, uh, this year and we plan to be next year in abating these, uh, properties that have overgrown weeds, uh, uh, and also junk and trash. And so the $300,000, I think we can keep within that and still do our job. Okay. Thank you. So I guess, hold on, mayor. I'm not done with that. So, so the numbers still aren't making sense because now you're talking about a one month burn rate. So if we're talking about, if we say that we've capped it at 85,000 and we've essentially said, Hey, we can't go any further. But then he said, we spent over 200. How do we, how do we compare those two statements? Last year, that's what we spent. This year, October through May, we've already spent the 85 and probably have a backlog of stuff sitting in the queue. So we're spending over 10,000 a month with this program. Okay. And then with respect to Councilman Steinke's, um, position that there's a stop gap, which could theoretically be correct. If we're saying that there's a, if we're using this 300 number, now there's going to be a line item in their budget for that 300 next year. So in a roundabout way, if we were to go through the budget during the budget cycle, different from just itemizing it in a discussion like this on a consent agenda, you could theoretically pull that, modify it. And then curtail this program in that respect. To me, I would rather just do it here, put a limit on this. And then when it does come back, we would have a discussion similar to this, hopefully with a little more data on a, I guess, a biannual basis. This contract goes through 28. So, yeah, I, I think we probably need to have a bigger discussion. I mean, I don't, I don't disagree that we could set it at 200, but if we set it at 200, we're already starting behind the, we're going backwards with regards to what we're. Starting tomorrow, we're going to have some serious discussions about a lot of things. And this program, that's where I was getting at. This program. We're talking about all these things about where we're cutting. Well, now we're burying stuff like this, not burying it, but we're just convoluting things like this. So, we're never going to be able to itemize it and track it and say, hey, this is where we can trim some of that fat because it's so twisted up. And there's no budget cap on this line item. Sure, it's going to be reflected in each individual department's budget and it's going to be fragmented. And I'm sure there's a million other instances of things just like this that if it were simple, if we could say, hey, this is, this is what the cap is. This is where this money's at. Rather than doing it in that way, I think it would be a lot easier moving forward. Respectfully, $85,000 is not going to solve a $47 million. Right, but when I hear that at every single meeting for the last five years, that number adds up pretty quickly. I need, I need 47 recurring year over year. This $85,000 will help us get there. But if at every single meeting you guys use that same justification and I went back and counted all the meetings that I've done and heard that at, that number would be significant. That's my point. So, respectfully. Thank you. Councilmember Steinke. Thank you, Mayor. The $300,000, and for those that understand sports and salary caps, the $300,000 seems to be the team. So, you know, we're going to have a couple of players that are involved here. We're going to have a couple of players that are involved here. And right now what you're saying is those, those two players are taking up a couple hundred thousand dollars of that salary cap. But what I also understood is that we can get rid of one of those players that's in the hundred thousand that's left to pay, to pay them and stay within that $300,000 salary cap. Because you said you could have interdepartment transfers. So that if we don't need another outside vendor that we have to use that hundred thousand that's left inside of the $300,000. We could use it for this if, in fact, the need for those trash removal, debris, repair, overgrown vegetation was there. So I guess what I'm, what I believe is true is we do have a $300,000 stopgap. These are only component parts inside of it that currently are within the $300,000. But they are above the $85,000 that currently exists. And that if we don't put a cap on it now, we still have the $300,000 cap that we put in the budget. It's only a cap because that's what they asked for. They could ask for a half a million bucks if they want. I mean, it's. It, it only becomes an, it's, so a budget request is initiated at the department level. Then that becomes an, a budget proposal through my office to you all. Then you all adopt a budget and those become appropriations. Following that, then there are requests to spend within the appropriation amount. So what, what they're saying is a request may not make it into my budget proposal. Which also, as you all know, what I proposed to you all also doesn't always make it in the final adopted budget to become an appropriation. So what they're asking for under the current year, in this year, what you all approve, approved as an appropriation in your adopted budget. They're asking for the authority to spend that amount for this program under code enforcement. And what was that amount? I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. They're, they're, they're asking for what is in your outside services budget for code enforcement. Yeah. So we're talking about that initial $85,000 amount, which was the amount approved in the budget. And that's what we're talking about. The amount that we've, we have exceeded or about to ready to exceed. So we're going to have to transfer additional outside services monies from other programs within our budget to cover anything above and beyond that. Anything else? Councilmember Steinke? Since you had the floor. That's it. Thank you. Councilmember Dono? Councilmember Dono: Yes, I, I, I hear it and I understand everyone's point. I'm still a little stuck on the fact that this is a new program. And what I'm hearing the city manager say is that it's not, it's fluid. It just depends on a number of moving factors. And the operative word for me is it says not to exceed the budgetary amount that we not exceed the limit. So I'm just a little bit confused. We have professional staff out there and what they're, and what we're talking about is debris removal. And then lot mowing and lot cleanup. And I can assure you over my district, it's alive and well as early as this week. So they're going to, we're going to trust them. My vote is yes to trust them, but we've already said go for it. They need it. And then they'll bring back anything that if it needs to exceed, but we can't grasp that right now with the data. You know, I love data, but I understand what they're asking for. So just wanted to let you know that's why I'm supporting it. That's all. Mr. Senior Manager, any other input at this point? I've got a couple more council members. Council member Caduc. Thank you, Mayor. I understand that this might not be readily available, but how much did we recover last year from code or lien recovery from this? All right. It's minimal. Council Caduc, I don't have that information with me tonight, but I can certainly provide it to you. I definitely think it's important because that offsets the 10,000 per month. So yeah, I do think we need that information. Thank you. Okay. Council member Long. Yeah. I just want to be clear when we say not to exceed, it's each respective budget, right? So in this case, it's whatever the budget is. And to Council Member Steinke's point, which was a valid point, we can control and curtail that as part of the larger budget process. But if we defer it to that and trust that this body is going to get down into the granular detail of DSD's $300,000 request and we're fighting about whether we want to give fire 40 new employees or 50 new employees, we're mistaken. I think, and I was being sarcastic. I see your confusion. But it is a new project. And so to me, I would rather do it in this format, set a cap, come back, because that's how projects work, right, is you get updates, daily updates. If we set the cap and let them go and do their thing, and they're doing the work. I'm not saying the work's not being done, but it takes away, it strips us of that check-in that you typically would see associated with a new project. If it is in its initial stages, set it at $200,000 and we'll be back when they hit the $200,000, which seems like it's going to be probably within six to eight months or next year, and we would do it again. That's just the point that I was getting to. You could do it Council Member Steinke's way, certainly. But I think this is more of a line item issue that we could actually address individually rather than as a holistic budgetary process. And that's it for me. Thank you. Council Member Steinke. Thank you, Mayor. Mayor. So just so I understand the motion and the second that's on the table right now, what we'd be establishing is we'd be establishing a $200,000 budget inside of the $300,000 budget. So we've got a $300,000 budget that includes stuff like this. So right now the motion that's on the table says, all right, we've got that $300,000, but if you're going to exceed $200,000 for just these services, then you've got to come back and allow us to use that other $100,000 that we already have set aside for this kind of stuff for these two contractors. That's what that's what this motion is representing, putting more control on what's inside that $300,000. Yes. And that you all do that through your code of ordinances. So in your in the code, you all legislate the internal control that of what we can spend before we come back to you and say, we need approval on this. So authorization for amounts lower, we're allowed to, you know, go get and execute. When you hit a certain threshold, the code that you all have set requires us to come before you all and have a presentation and discussion on why administration believes it's in the best interest of the community or the program that we've been tasked with administrating to execute. And so this discussion is for for me and for my staff, this is I mean, this was the intent of why you all set thresholds in in this is you may have within that budget. And so I know I've been saying, let's say 300. That amount may be a million dollars. But once we go over 50,000 with any vendor, we need to come to you and present that. So within a million, we could have 20 vendors at 50,000, we would have to bring all 20 of those to you based on the way that the current procurement ordinance is set up. It is it is a form, as Council Member Long said, as a as a council internal control checking a balance on how much are we spending? What is the program providing? Yes. Well, I was your analogy of what you would be doing based on what we requested and then setting it lower than that would be exactly what you said. I was OK with the management inside of that 300,000 to give the authority to use that extra money towards this if necessary. But the motion and the second that's on the table right now, it gets us halfway there. And if that's what it takes for us to move forward and keep this program in place, I can support the motion and the seconds on the table. But I was also prepared to support the original 137-26, just knowing that we already had the 300 stopgap. Thanks. All right. Seeing no other lights on. Madam City Clerk. Your Honor, the motion on the floor is to approve resolution 137-26 with a not to exceed of $200,000. City Attorney Boxner shared terminology in its aggregate. I'm just making sure everyone knows that's not part of the motion right now. I'll check with the motion maker to start with. Is your intent is to add? That's correct. And does the second agree? Thank you. All right. Please call the roll. Leeman? Aye. Long? Aye. Steinking? Aye. Steinking? Aye. Donnell? No. Gunter? Aye. Paduk? Aye. Kilrain? Aye. Lestra? Aye. Seven ayes. One nay. Motion carried. Okay. Okay. Let's move on to item 10 in the consent agenda which is resolution 142-26. Council member Lehman you pulled this item. I'll give you the floor ma'am. Yes. Mr. City Manager who damaged this main this gravity sewer main is right by the end of Beach Parkway right by JC Park. Who damaged the main? It was a communication provider. Mayor. Are all right Mr. City Attorney are they going to be paying for it? What's the word? I mean we're approving $165,000 and we're issuing a contractor to repair it $165,000. Are we going after the communications people that damaged it? Yes. Council Member Lehman thank you. Whenever we do identify who's responsible in this situation and once the work has been completed we've itemized the monetary costs associated with the emergency repair we do proceed in collecting that if the insurance company does not pay we do initiate litigation you've authorized a resolution to that effect I think that was probably done about six months ago and we have been pursuing that for those contractors that do in fact damage our infrastructure so we will be pursuing to answer your question we will be pursuing it all right thank you very much welcome with that I want to make a motion to approve 142-26 second all right we have a motion the second on the floor I see no other lights on Madam City Clerk please call it all Lehman Aye Long Aye Steinkie Aye Donnell Aye Gunters Aye Duke Aye Kilrain Aye Lastra Aye Eight eyes motion carried Okay item 15 was pulled by council member Caduc which resolution uh 150-26 I'll give you the floor ma'am Thank you mayor I really just pulled this because I think everyone knows exactly where I stand we really should not be approving this until after the budget workshop tomorrow and after the reviews of all the unsolicited PPPs that have come in and even councilmember Kilbrane said we could wait until July to get that information in so before we spend all of our spare cash I'm going to be voting no on this thank you okay seeing no other lights on I'll entertain a motion for resolution 150-26 motion to approve any other discussion seeing none Madam City Clerk please call the roll Lehman Aye Long No Steinkie Aye Donnell Aye Gunter Aye Hadouk No Kilrain Aye Lastra No Five eyes three nays motion carried okay let's uh move on to the next item on the agenda which is item 8b appointments to boards and committees uh first of which is the youth council uh apparently we have uh one junior uh vacancy and one uh with one applicant and we have two uh applicants for one position as well in the as a senior vacancy so we have one junior vacancy one senior vacancy one applicant for the junior two applicants for the senior so we will address the junior first uh we have one uh applicant for that uh position so I'll entertain a motion motion to approve uh beyond francis uh to that position second is there any discussion seeing none Madam City Clerk please call the roll Lehman Aye Long Aye Steinkie Aye Donnell Aye Gunter Aye Caduc Aye Kilrain Aye Lastra Aye Eight ayes motion carried okay we uh have two uh senior vacancies uh Madam City Clerk do we know if we have anyone in attendance tonight I'm not aware of anyone checking in okay could we maybe uh announce the names and see if anyone's here Alexander Lopez Guava and Emmy Cruz okay does it look like any of those individuals are here uh so with that uh being said I will entertain a motion uh for the senior vacancy position motion to approve IME Cruz okay uh other than nominating someone uh council member uh Stunkey did you have an additional comment I I had the same the same nomination or or motion to okay appoint all right seeing no lights on we have a a motion and second on the floor uh Madam City Clerk please call the roll Lehman approves that that motion's already been made excuse me yes Long Aye Aye Steinkie Aye Donnell Aye Gunter Aye Paduque Aye Kilrain Aye Lastra Aye Eight ayes motion carried okay let's move on to item c is unfinished business c1's follow-up items for council not nothing listed uh item c2 is follow-up items for city management there is nothing listed item three is jc park concessionaire term sheet and I will turn that over to Mr. City Manager no update no update no update at this time no okay uh with that being said I'm assuming that you're still working through the process I have been um trying to get in communication with the other uh party uh unsuccessfully okay all right and I would assume uh and I'll check with my colleagues here uh when is our next regular meeting uh Madam city clerk July 15th would it be the desire of the council to add this item of discussion that it's almost another month away hopefully we will have uh some some type of movement by then yeah or have to take a different direction is everybody good with that yes all right so if you could add that please okay uh next item on the agenda is item four I think this particular item uh has come forward as a result of uh discussions we had at our previous uh committee of the whole uh and uh I think door nose discussions uh the city attorney had uh advised if we want to have further discussion that uh then we would have to bring it back for reconsideration so uh do we want to uh is there anyone who uh is on the prevailing side which is council member laster layman long myself or could duke uh that uh would like to make a motion for reconsideration on uh resolution 7-26 i'll make the motion for reconsideration okay and is there a second i'll second the motion for discussion so what that basically does is we have to vote on the reconsideration now so madam city clerk if you could call the roll please lena well wait we should have discussion well it's well if you'd like to have discussion on the motion the motion's only going to take us back to a point where we open up discussion you could have a you could have a discussion now the reconsideration if there's you want to have the discussion now okay for the reconsideration for for the reconsideration vote correct so not on the topic but as a result of the correct the reconsideration just the reconsideration okay so we'll open up for discussion on the reconsideration vote i guess whether to do or not to do okay okay thank you so i think the city attorney knows where i stand when i pulled this when it was at our may 20th meeting it was the first item on consent and i pulled it and then again at the cow i kind of gave him the what for because my whole purpose and i hope you guys see my point is that this should have been a whole new resolution with the correct verbiage in it and i was hoping that that's instead of it being a reconsideration that we were going to get a correct resolution and we've talked about that and mr city attorney if you can make this right that would be great if the motion for reconsideration is in fact accomplished and if in fact there is an approval of resolution 7-26 i will make certain that based upon what was discussed during the committee of the whole modify the final resolution that is ultimately assigned making reference specifically to just the property maintenance facilities authorization for the pre-construction services and eliminate and by eliminate remove that more that portion from the resolution that pertains to the portion for the property made management facility see it's so very convoluted and a mess it should have came to us the correct way the first time which is why i pulled it the first time rather than being stuffed on consent so that's my concern and my hesitation with this the the property management facility has been long removed so that verbiage is in here and it's in our backup and it's everywhere so i just i don't feel comfortable with it thank you uh just a quick question uh mr city attorney i mean could it be as simple as to incorporate i know there's a lot of hypotheticals here but if it does that the motion to reconsider passes and then it comes back for discussion and eventually at some point there's a motion to approve it uh could we just within the motion delete the words in the property management facility there's three areas that i would say that it needs to be removed uh the first is being in the title and where it says approving contract excuse me authorizing pre-construction services yes so we're approving the contract so you would remove the uh and property management facility and just do fleet maintenance facility the next location is where it says the city manager recommends that is the whereas clause the second to last and lastly where it would say that in section one which is now therefore you would make uh the modification there by removing and property management facility in both one and two and just ended with facility okay thank you it's a relatively from my perspective relatively clean adjustment as long as you all make that motion okay thank you councilmember steinke thank you mayor i would speak in support of the reconsideration uh so that we can uh simply address uh the removal of that language it was a mistake uh and uh it was fully understood that it wasn't to include property management and for us simply to go back get rid of that verbiage um it has gives me every reason to allow it to come up for reconsideration so i speak in favor of the reconsideration okay thank you uh no other lights on we have a motion and a second on the floor for a reconsideration uh for resolution 7-26 madam city clerk uh please call the roll leeman aye long steinke hi donnell hi gunter hi caducke hi kilrain hi master hi eight eyes motion carried mr city attorney my understanding what this will do will take us to a point in time where councilmember kilrain uh made a motion and was seconded by uh councilmember donnell to approve uh resolution 7-26 with the deletion of that portion regarding property uh management facilities is is that correct yes and that and and just to clean it up um it would be an approval of resolution dash 7-26 uh with the understanding that the portion pertaining to the property management facility and the approval of that contract located within the title in the second to last whereas clause and in sections one and two of the now therefore are deleted and only ending with a fleet maintenance facility so that is all that you'd be approving is for the fleet maintenance facility and while the other portion will remain it needs to remain in there because that is in fact what was originally sent out in the competitive solicitation and i shall move my my uh uh resolution uh for consider for approval uh to incorporate what uh theory just uh identified yeah second agrees okay is there uh any other uh comments seeing no other lights on uh we have a motion uh for approval in a second uh madam city clerk please call the roll lehman aye long no steinke aye donnell aye gunter aye caduc aye kilrain aye lastra aye seven eyes one nay motion carried okay we will move on to the uh the companion resolution as a result uh of the of the uh previous vote which is uh resolution 122-26 again very similar uh we would need a uh uh motion for reconsideration for resolution 122-26 as well since it's a companion resolution so i'll entertain a motion for uh any motion for reconsideration i'll make the motion for reconsideration second okay any discussion on the reconsideration as far as the motion to reconsider see a none madam city clerk please call the roll lehman aye long aye thank you aye donnell aye gunter aye caduc aye kill rain all right lastra aye eight eyes motion carried okay uh so again uh mr city attorney my understanding uh the vote before was for denial is that correct and it was an 8-0 vote so that puts us back to that motion uh as well is that correct yes so uh with uh since that motion was for denial can the motion maker uh change that vote or will we have to vote on that motion first the motion maker can modify that motion okay and who was that motion maker i don't have that information i thought that it was council member lastra but don't hold me to that i'm sure the clerk will i'm sorry i do have that information now that i read down the list for the council member kuduk moved this for denial and it was seconded by council member lastra yes to deny resolution 122-26 so with that being said uh we either have to vote on the motion or the motion maker would have to change their motion uh council member caduc since you moved to deny uh do you wish to change your uh motion motion to approve resolution 122-26 second so the second agrees yes sir all right so the motion and the second have agreed to modify their motion for approval is there any discussion on that seeing none madam city clerk we have a motion and a second for approval for resolution 122-26 please call the roll lehman lehman aye long no steinke aye donnell aye gunter aye caduc aye kilrain all right lastra aye seven eyes one nay motion carried thank you 8d is new business uh d1 is possible surplus properties and commercial appraisal value uh value uh i added this uh to the agenda um as we all know we've had some discussions in the past regarding surplus party uh properties and uh my understanding this council had directed staff to go back and uh receive some appraisals uh for those properties that were identified additionally my understanding before we can move forward uh if this body desires is these properties have to come back uh as uh in a uh ordinature resolution listed as surplus properties before we can move forward with any sale thereof is that correct uh mr city attorney you do have to identify which properties that that are deemed surplus and that does have to come before you for approval yes okay so that's why i wanted to bring that back uh first to give staff the opportunity to provide the information that we have already received and then see what the uh direction of this body is on any or all of those properties to move forward for the sale if so then it has to be brought back and we have to identify them and vote as surplus properties so uh mr city manager do you have uh any other um input regarding uh this discussion and the properties that were listed in the appraised values i don't i mean what we've provided to you is um what the uh zoning and the uh future land use is so on some of these for example you can see their the commercial corridor in the purd uh some of them are r1 with single family uh and some of them are are multi-family so um i don't know if you want to see where these are in the city and if they have any other value or if you just want to i mean we provided the list as was requested okay thank you councilmember kilwin yeah just city manager if you would uh anything on this list that uh you might point out that we might be able to utilize for either commercial or professional here uh as far as uh fitting some of our current potential plans that we're looking at no what what i what i would recommend you know if so we're looking at surplus what we believe you know it could be commercial uh property in surplus um because they're it's multi single family multi-family uh in like the purd or commercial corridor um i would recommend that you know we have an economic development plan that deals with creating and establishing a land bank uh we've had several discussions with you about um strategic acquisitions uh along certain properties um so if we do offload these you know i would i would recommend a use at the end rather than just following the unassigned fund balance i would recommend that we put it into the land reserve so that we could then basically almost indirectly do a property swap you know through the sale and uh i guess i would be in support of that uh the only modification to that might be based on our discussions with the impending budget constraints we may be looking at uh that may change that we may want to just develop some available cash uh if we put it in a land bank uh prior to doing that is that retractable that we're okay so all right thank you mayor appreciate it uh just a quick question uh mr city manager could we put that in a restricted fund that would give uh only the uh city council the uh authorization to release those funds for whatever they so desired whether you come back to us for a land purchase of some other sort that's in the best needs uh of the uh of the city or whatever else we want to use that for yeah if you put it in the land reserve anytime that we need this uh request to utilize reserves we have to get we have to get approval that that wasn't really my question my question was can we just stick it in a restricted fund and before those monies could be utilized it would have to come back to the city council i guess very similar to what you're saying with the land bank but in light of yesterday's uh news and what council member kilring said uh you know we really don't know what we're going to utilize these monies for and if you add all of these properties up i'm guessing you're probably pretty close to a million and a half to two million dollars uh that we can of course that's one time funding but that's something that we we could use somewhere down the road so my question is to the finance director you know could we stick that in a restricted fund so currently we have a land surplus reserve as the city manager had alluded to where proceeds do go into so recently um you authorized to use the proceeds from the land sale uh seven islands land sale you authorized use of that but these proceeds would go into this reserve and be um used at your discretion so we already have something set up for for that purpose without putting it into a restricted fund it's in a restricted uh reserve a committed reserve and i know the answer is it is a restricted fund right now let me ask you another question uh does uh the city manager have the authorization up to a certain dollar amount to expend any of those funds in other words now because it is restricted okay all right i just wanted to make sure your hundred thousand dollar cap didn't that's an operating budget only not reserve i i have any reserves have to come through council okay council member uh kilry no i i guess just based on that i i would move to put this into a resolution to to uh start preparing those properties for sale after you do whatever additional evaluation you have to do and uh look at putting in a restricted account any proceeds from that is there a motion that sounds like a motion yes it's trying to be a motion yeah is there a second to the motion it sound like your your motion was and correct me if i'm wrong uh for to put this in a resolution to be brought back before city council to identify these properties as surplus property and then move forward with having the city list of properties for sale is that what you're saying couldn't have said it better myself all right all right and is there a second second all right all right council members thank you thank you mayor um i i was actually going to recommend that we would bring this to a cow with the opportunity to have a map and see where all these properties are because to term them as surplus without knowing whether we might need them somewhere in the future when i think about our mobility plan when i think about um additional needs that we have infrastructure wise where we may need you know to put other force mains in the future i'd like to know where these properties are before i would tag them as surplus they may be surplus right now but they might not be surplus two years from now and so we sell them and we throw the money into a fund that is restricted and then all of a sudden we find that we need to buy some properties to make a roundabout or whatever so for me before i tag something as surplus and start a process of preparing them for sale i want i'd like to know where they are i couldn't support that motion right now without knowing where these properties are i'd see a ton of properties in the southwest um and you know we've got transportation issues around there so i'd rather see us bring this for discussion with a location map um and and decide which ones truly are surplus and which ones are hey this is one lot sitting out in the middle of nowhere and we don't need it we'll never need it need it yeah let's go ahead and raise the cash we need for something else so i couldn't support that motion based on that thanks yeah and mr city manager correct me if i'm wrong i thought we've already had that type of a discussion uh this is only a small fraction of the properties that the city of cape corral owned and i thought we've already looked at the list of properties and identified these properties of not having a public purpose is that is that correct good evening city council members mayor dawn andrews with the real estate division so the list that was provided which is in front of you tonight was provided in december last year because you wanted to know what properties we could surplus on that list we still need to vet the residential properties amy yearsley with the affordable housing is looking at properties every three years they put properties on for their program so we need to go through those i agree um that we've looked at them we believe that they can be a very surplus but now that we have the appraisals on the commercial properties we will go through the various departments make sure nobody has a need for those specific properties we can definitely get a map put together and have these properties located there were several properties that on the residential properties those properties were secreted to the city um from the county because people weren't paying their taxes i did notice that there's several properties on there that are in the northwest where we or the northeast and the northwest north of pine island road where we don't have any utilities therefore some of those properties the residential properties could possibly be used for lift stations in the future uep areas or save maybe if the lift station can't go on that site specific property because we don't have a design we don't know where the lift stations are going to need to go then we can save that property for a swap with the person who doesn't want to sell the property that i need to put the lift station on that location so there is some more vetting that needs to be done and then we can put the map together and bring that back at a cow or whatever you decide but there is still another step that needs to go through and we are working through that process as well okay yeah so that's uh i thought we had already went through that process when we looked at all the properties that we had um and this was just a list that was brought forward for the appraisal and then the city council and uh directed staff to go ahead and get the appraisals so the appraisals were only on the commercial properties that was the direction in december the residential ones again once amy pulls off her pieces then we can look at them get the appraisal amounts those values that are shown we did some research me and my team and we did the research based on what properties were going for in that location of each property and use those numbers at this time so i i would withdraw withdraw my motion uh pending that review uh because i thought they were analyzed already so uh i think that would be the proper way to do it too okay so the motion maker will withdraw uh his uh motion um so how many other properties do we have i think if we're going to look at this we need to look at all the properties that the city owns and identify if it has a public purpose or for some reason we will have to keep a particular parcel for whatever reason we have a multitude of properties more than what's just listed here my understanding is that correct yes so the city has um the parcels that are identified by strap number on a spreadsheet that i've shared over time with y'all the ones that are on this list as i said were exceeded we have other ones that have exceeded by this by the by the county to the city that aren't on the list because they don't have clear title so when you get a tax deed you have to wait four years for it to clear itself otherwise we would have to spend money and do suit for quiet title to clear the title before we would be able to sell them i can put those together so you can see them on on a on a map but they're not ripe if you will to be sold at this time yeah we can't sell them because we don't have a clear title right otherwise we'll be spending money that maybe we don't need to at this time yeah i think you know let me tell you what my goal is and uh my goal here is if we have property that surplus and you know i've been here eight and a half years and we've had a multitude of properties that sat here probably eight and a half years as long as i had if we don't have a need for it um and we have it we need to sell it we can use that money for something else um i understand it's one-time funny money we got three firehouses we got to uh to build in the next five years you know if we can get two million dollars uh in sales uh if we have an eight million dollar firehouse we can put that money towards it that's how i look at it so that's what the end goal is here for me um so if that's the end goal of city council then that's the direction we'll give staff especially important now with the budget constraints you're going to be saying i think so so is everyone okay with that all right mr city manager is that giving a collective direction yes sir all right all right so let's go ahead and move on in the agenda um we have item d2 uh which is potential amendments to the council rules and procedures uh regarding citizens input and ada requests so mr city attorney i'll turn that over to you thank you mayor i appreciate it oh hold off before you do that i had a few lights on yeah is does those council members still desire to speak or did we get the direction of council i didn't want to cut anybody off uh looks like we had council member kilrain had the floor council member caduce you were next so i just yeah i just i converted the pdf to an excel and i added it up and it was 6.1 million dollars in surplus properties and just keep in mind that we're going to be selling this in a down market i don't know if that's exactly the smartest thing that we should be doing that's all i was going to add okay uh council member kilrain do you have any all right it's good i just want to clear the point that you know that we really need to produce some cash here i think in the near term and i think that's a good way of doing it okay i don't see any other lights on i'm sorry i interrupt you there mr city attorney but i want to make sure i didn't cut anybody off so go ahead thank you mayor i appreciate it um this is a matter that ultimately i have spoken with you all individually uh there has been a citizen that had made a request specifically pursuant to title two of the uh ada americans with disability act and their request was a specific accommodation that we're essentially required to address i have spoken with you all in regards to the mechanism and the manner by way of which we can accomplish this endeavor i did not have a level of certainty during those conversations there's always a potential threat of litigation so that's why we had those one-on-one conversations but i did give you all a couple different options that can be utilized some of those options call for moving the meeting uh start time to a different time identifying a time certain for citizen input identifying a time certain for those individuals who may make a request pursuant to an ada moving forward but as a result of the level of uncertainty i have to bring this all before you right now there's no amendment that has been formally before you and i need you all to come to a some level of agreement but i do need a resolution on that today okay thank you so with that with that being said uh i'll open it up uh for any discussion moving forward councilmember laster thank you mayor mr city attorney um the individual that applied for this accommodation um is the reason uh due to the current timing of the meeting or citizen's input we don't have a specific time set forth right now okay but that is the catalyst by way of which they're asserting that there's a requirement for an accommodation okay so then potential options could be moving the meeting up earlier in the day or changing the time of citizens input back to the beginning you could have the meeting moved up earlier in the day you are correct uh you could have as part of moving the meeting up earlier in the day a time certain for citizens input you could have a time certain for those individuals who make a request for an ada accommodation that's legally sufficient pursuant to federal law so there's variations there from that can be accomplished so what you're stating is then we could make um we could make that accommodation for individuals that are requesting this ada accommodation and what you're saying is that we could say we're going to start citizens input at 5 p.m no matter what business is going on we'd stop it start citizens input all of it at let's say 5 p.m for example um and or would we have to just designate that certain time frame for the individual with the ada accommodation request what you just articulated is correct you could do a time certain for all citizens input starting at five o'clock 5 30 if you move the meetings up to for example 9 a.m you can do a 905 citizens input time certain you can do an ada request uh uh time certain as well at 905 you could then have the remaining of the uh citizens input as we've done before at the end of the meeting so we have various options that will in fact work my goal here is to ensure that we do not have a situation like this moving forward so that we can we don't have to worry about that in the future so what you're saying is that our current um council procedures do not accommodate this particular ada request correct it does not accommodate it because uh there is uh no time certain we just identified at the end of the meeting so if our meeting runs uh like our last meeting did for for let's say four or five hours uh that is the basis by way of which they've asserted their request under the ada that they're in able to uh sit for that period of time okay my um i do i have serious concerns about moving the meeting up too early in the day um you know to me that negates again working people being able to attend this meeting i'll hear what the rest of my council says um and and maybe weigh in as i hear um others opinions as you all recall i did do an analysis from when we did citizens input um in the beginning of the meeting versus when we moved it to the end of the meeting and the numbers really hadn't changed enough to sway a majority of you to go back to that so i will listen to what you have to say but i um and i am going to say this if we do make a change i still want to make sure citizens can speak prior to the consent agenda if this is our time to do that i'd really like to see this council move that forward because it's the right thing to do but i'll wait and uh hear from the rest of us thank you and if i may just what we currently have is not a violation of the ada the only reason why we're here today is because someone has made a explicit request pursuant to title ii of the ada and that is why we're here today but for that i wouldn't be having this conversation with you and i'm trying to address any potential further requests because of of of the uncertainty as to when it is citizens input will be definitively held uh so that way if we establish you at the beginning or time certain that ultimately would be able to accomplish what we're trying what what we'll be dealing with in the potential future thank you for clarifying thank you mayor uh council member kilring yeah uh i'm just going back to what i think we're facing budget-wise here in the near future and it can fiscal constraints that's going to put upon us and i think that our meetings is now structured uh really require a lot of overtime by staff and a lot of professionals in here so i we we did a survey a bit back as to how other local areas are doing their meetings i'm talking about the cities and county commissioners in the nearby counties i'd like to take a look at that and see what that might be and maybe consider doing something similar to what they're doing okay thank you uh councilmember lehman yeah um i personally am in favor of leaving the meeting at four o'clock however moving citizens input right after the roll call before the changes to the agenda or anything else this way citizens would have the ability to comment on the consent agenda or on anything else on the agenda not all citizens look at the agenda prior to attending the meeting thank you councilmember donnell it was it's interesting the question i have for the city attorney because we met your last statement said that as we currently are running the meetings that we are not violating the ada that i hear you say that very clearly that's correct okay so where the confusion comes in is then then you're bringing this forward that's why i'm confused we're not currently running it where we're violating it but you're concerned that we i'm lost fill in the blank right there i'm concerned about um the concern is that there's a request that is made specifically regarding uh their ability to speak and their inability to wait until those citizens input ends the concern is that if if that is not addressed or if that's not corrected then we have an issue that as it stands right now for that one individual based upon what they've requested we would have an issue to address yeah okay council here's where when we met i'll tell them this is going to catch them by surprise so i apologize but i told them i'm a hard no because they've reached out to try to help this individual make sure that they can participate in our meetings so i want to make sure that's clear yes that happened in the meeting but there's been a lot of talk up here thank you for the data what i've heard and i've been tracking it too not not as close as you have is that there really is no difference in it but it's a hot topic out there so i'm saying you all in the spirit of looking at all the things we have to tackle as a group i am so moved if if we're saying we can just move keep things status quo because we moved the time from late to front and there's been a lot of buzz about it i'm okay with putting it to the front and now we can capture that data too and then maybe downstream we can move it back so i just want to let you know the why this way that takes that off center because no republic input don't want to hear from us but also we can use the fact that we're we will then address the issue of ada for this individual and anyone else so i just want to let you all know i didn't want you to think i was flip-flopping on you but this is not one that you know for me with all the stuff we have coming up that you know we take a lot of oxygen from our council that's all thank you uh the council member could do thank you mayor the reason why it's moved to the end is because when we were all on the campaign trail people were saying that they couldn't get to the meetings on time so therefore if we're going to move it back to the front the meeting time cannot start at 4 p.m when people have to drive over the bridge to get here from work and i would be one of those people so if we're going to move it to the beginning which i'm whatever this body wants to do i'm fine with but the whole reason why we moved it to the end was because of the traffic etc so people could get here should they want to speak if that's the case the meeting time needs to start at 5 30 or 6 because people need to drive here from fort myers because we know that we're lacking commercial businesses here and most people drive out of this city every single day to go to work so if we're going to move to the front great now the meeting starts at 5 30 or 6. or we pick a time that we say at 6 p.m is citizens input and we stop what we're doing in our agenda and i believe in fact i'd like that information i believe we used to do that with the cra meetings a few years ago it used to be uh whatever i'm making a fake time at 12 15 as citizens input and then they would go back to their agenda i remember watching the videos that's all thank you comes from steinke um i absolutely am opposed to making the meeting start at 5 36 o'clock at night we have staff we have legal professionals that have to come and testify and so i wouldn't be in favor of that um mr city attorney when it relates to setting a fixed time um and and you deal with the duration of someone being able to sit for a period of time because i think that's the issue that we've got here um if the meeting starts at the same time at uh at four o'clock how do we stay with an ada to to state the citizens input would occur within a certain amount of time of that starting if the person can't sit for the five hours it takes to get the citizens input although if we're going to get the meeting started at four we have people that don't get off work till five and we want to set up citizens input at a reasonable breaking point that we can begin citizens input how much time is someone expected to be able to wait is there is there any like rules around that no but here's here in hearing you hearing you all if you want to take a a surgical approach the only surgical approach i can conceive of is this if there is no appetite to modify the start time of the meeting to an earlier time then we establish as a time certain for citizens input who submit a legitimate request pursuant to the ada and let's say we start at four if we want to do it at 4 15 by the time we get everything done then we would stop everything at 4 15 commence with the ada whatever time is utilized for that will be deducted from the overall citizen input at the end of the meeting that's from what i'm hearing you all that's the that's about as surgical as i can probably get with it well i would personally not be in favor of singling out someone that has ada issues from all the rest of the citizens i think the citizens all come at one time so i believe that the way the way we arrange this uh well this needs to needs to have all the citizens at the same this would happen anyway um because there would have to be an explanation as to why it is that we'd be doing it so you're not it would be identified anyway it's it's it's well i understand what you're saying and that's why i've kept essentially as vanilla as i possibly can during this conversation but they have made a request um and that request would be out of the norm of what our agenda is and so in order to comply with that it would be clear that this was the process we were traveling under in terms of satisfying federal law and the and the last thing there was mention of um research that was done for other cities and counties and when they hold their meetings uh to accommodate all that i'm not going to speak for the city manager but he's got that uh in his so we uh we sent that out earlier this week as soon as a council member kilrain asked for it uh essentially collier county lee county charlotte county and the cities uh only the city of fort myers and the city of cape corral meet in the afternoon the rest all meet in the morning so the other cities and the counties all have their meetings in the morning we're one of only two that have them in the evening okay thank you council member lehman yeah i would have no problem moving the meeting to 9 a.m however i still think that we need to move citizens input if we do it right after roll call then any changes any said all and i'm saying all of citizens input then citizens would have the right you know they'd be able to talk about changes to the consent agenda things they're not happy about on the consent agenda not just uh the public hearings end of the meeting i think it would make more sense and i'm talking not just the ada accommodation but all of citizens input that hour i think it makes more sense and by moving the meeting to 9 a.m and i realize you know people that work full-time it's going to be a problem for them but by me moving it we are then not paying overtime or stressing out the other than the council city employees that have to be here at the meetings when we start at four o'clock and to start at six it makes it even worse it's costing the city more money let's please keep your comments to yourself you know let's cut down the the additional cost is what i'm saying thank you yeah i think uh i guess i'll jump in here since i haven't spoken yet first off i understand the issue with the ada uh issue you know that we want to make sure that we uh that we address uh first off i'm not in favor of moving the meetings uh past 4 pm that we have now uh and it's already been stated you know mainly because of staff and the overtime that we incur as a result of that uh to have our staff here not to mention all the professionals whether it's you know the the engineers the attorneys and all those individuals i do believe the best since we're addressing the ada the best thing to do is to bring uh the citizens input forward in the agenda and have the uh whatever the ada requirement is uh so there's a time certain uh and also uh for uh the other citizens input you know the ripple effect uh for the moving the uh citizens input further back uh in the agenda even though we may have been trying to help uh give uh residents uh an opportunity to try to get here the ripple effect of that decision was the people that were here it didn't give them the opportunity to provide input on the consent agenda that was the ripple effect of that decision so for me i would support moving the citizens input back forward uh looking at the agenda today we call the meeting to order we have the invocation the pledge of allegiance the roll call uh we adopt the agenda and i think we got to get our recognitions and achievements done first because the last thing that i want to do is if we're recognizing a baseball team here i don't want them to get here at four o'clock and have to stay uh even if the citizens input is an hour they may be here until 5 15 before they can even come up for their recognition so my suggestion would be to put citizens input directly after the recognitions of achievements and then we'll have the citizens input and then move forward with our agenda accordingly that'll help the ada situation it'll also help by giving the community and the citizens who attend the opportunity to provide input regarding the consent agenda so i would do that at either the 4 pm uh meeting or if this uh uh collective body wanted to have the meetings at nine i would support it uh then as well um you know if you look at all the governmental uh whether it's municipality or a county all of those particular business meetings and all of those counties and only two are having them in the afternoon you have to ask your your uh yourself how come we're not doing ours at 9am i'm a firm believer today with uh email today with uh uh we we continued uh with e-comments the reason that we established the comments in the beginning is we because of covet and we didn't want to uh to you know have people have to come here to the meeting to provide input but that worked so well after covet that we decided to keep it just like today i don't know about three o'clock i read the e-comments before i came here you know there were only two or three but there's still that opportunity so i believe if we did move the meeting till nine it still gives the community the opportunity to be able to provide input you may have people who work in the evenings they may work the three to eleven shift that can never come here you know so you could there's two sides to that coin you know there could be people that are working in the evening that never can attend but they could come in the morning so you kind of have to look at it all sides so in summary you know i think putting it after the uh i would support putting citizens input after the recognition and achievements uh for all citizens input i think that will take care of several problems uh but i again uh i wouldn't do a meeting later than 4 p.m but i would also support a earlier meeting as well so that's where i'm at council member kilran yeah uh city attorney uh are you aware of any problems in other municipalities around here with the ada condition come up in in our in our examination it's it's it's not really an issue i know that some other places do in fact uh do deal with it but it's usually a one-off okay all right and and uh basically you know we have cal meetings right now in the morning you know we still get similar citizens input and involvement in those meetings i'd be supportive of nine o'clock and under the the mayor's proposition of uh moving the time to that portion in the agenda as he described so i'd be supportive of that thank you mayor all right uh mr city manager see your light on i'll go to you before i continue down the list here i i just wanted i just wanted to go through the information so that the information is out there so lee county meets at 9 30 a.m sharna county meets at 9 a.m collier county meets at 8 30 a.m naples meets at 8 30 a.m bonita meets at 9 a.m estero meets at 9 30 a.m sanibel meets at 9 a.m fort myers beats at 9 a.m we meet at 4 4 and fort myers meets at 4 30. so just wanted to make sure it was out there yeah thank you uh councilmember cadu thank you mayor hold on you were done yeah i just want to also mention with the fiscal conditions we're now facing too i think it's a logical move in that area uh for both saving staff time uh overtime and also for the professionals so it's just uh the timing may be right right now so thank you councilmember cadu thank you mayor uh mr city attorney i believe we're still not addressing the issue there is no time certain of when citizens input is which is i think what everyone is missing here we have to say citizens input is at 4 15 period that is a clear result that could happen but we're accommodating one individual request so far that we've received for ada compliance because there was no time certain of when citizens input was so now we need to correct that error by saying citizens input is at 5 45 pm correct let me just modify it you are correct yes and let me just add a little bit more on to that um as additionally the assertion was was because it's not an issue of time certain because it's no longer at the very beginning um that they are asserting their inability for sit sitting there that long so if you recall where the mayor is probably where the mayor has identified as between uh it would become the new seven yep right that's usually done within the first i think 10 15 minutes at best based upon what i read with this uh with his request for accommodation that would not run afoul unless one of us sat up here and we did a bunch of changes and adoptions to the agenda and we had 18 count we had 18 high schoolers that we wanted to recognize and we had the rowing club that we wanted to give awards to and and and and and so we're not really attacking the problem if you take it to its its extreme there there could be a potential for a longer delay um the cleanest way to do this in my humble opinion would be a time certain well and if there was any uh if there was an appetite for and i was going to say that if there's an appetite for the 9 a.m meeting what i would encourage you all is to do a 905 start at 9 15 yeah nine o'clock start time and a 9 15 citizens input because it would be undeniable that that no one would would then be able to um moving forward from my perspective assert that there that they would need an accommodation for this aspect because we've identified a time certain you just have to show up here at 9 14 and speak because we'd be starting citizens input 9 15. so while while counselor lehman mentioned 9 a.m i was going to say i would i would strongly encourage us to doing this as input at 9 15. and on the agenda it would reflect so yes yeah so that's my problem with this we've talked about it and we could put it as number seven or whatever wherever we want to put it but again that is no time certain which is what my understanding of this ada request was is a time certain and even since we started this meeting at four o'clock we've seen this the chambers fill up even farther and maybe even more people will still continue to show up so unless we're going to put a time certain on the agenda i really don't agree with anything that we've talked about thank you all right thank you uh council member donnell therein lies therein lies the million dollar question of city attorney and i'll say to the council no good deed goes unpunished but i want to start with this my understanding and i'm and i'm no lawyer by any sense of the imagination but it's not about the ada accommodation does not require us to to pinpoint an exact time i need to ask that specific question we have to provide the accommodation for therefore because the request that came in was the fact that the individual could not sit as long or for that long period of time so keeping things congruent with what we're doing the request to move it to number six understanding there could be some some outlier but if we go on the data from the meetings that we have had we have been there's if we started four recognitions have rarely gone past 4 30. so for an individual to show up they the time between 4 and 4 30 meets the requirement of the law because the law does not say you have to identify time certain now i'm certainly not telling you your job but i need to ask that specific question because i'm looking at some things and i do understand it from an educational background with so do we have to identify an exact time to meet that no this is a mechanism of trying to resolve any potential future requests understood so specifically council what was requested what was requested was and what was said was that the interview individual cannot sit for that long period of time so i'm suggesting that if we put it and i agree with with the mayor we put it at number six right before we get into the consent agenda and i do understand we're still going to have to identify the ada some type of way there so council members thank you i'm with you i don't like to like you know you know pinpoint people you know show them out but that has to be a language but that solves the problem council that solves that problem if we put it at number six for what the request of this individuals and others the last piece of that is be careful yes i understand that other municipalities are doing it well you mentioned a lot of counties we're look my understanding is we're the largest city it's all the temple we set the standard and we set the standard a long time ago way before me to let the working people get have a chance to participate so be careful if we move citizens input great now we move the meeting so we've just robbed people pay paul we're still in the same position but in ending the specific issue if we put it at number six that resolves the issue for this individual and not just this individual for those that come and plus the benefit is now we get that pub that public comment off off our table but they can comment and let's move forward that's all you hear from me so i'll be supporting that issue and definitely not the earlier meeting that's all council member laster yes uh thank you mayor i am i would recommend that we keep the meeting then at uh our current time and may and do get through everything we can do two things we could get through everything prior to the consent agenda item items we can do citizens input or that we have a set time to do it let's say at 5 30. um you know again my concern is not being able to accommodate those of us who work over the bridge uh daily and being able to fight that bridge traffic to get back here um you know unless they leave at four o'clock sometimes 5 30 won't even be realistic but i would definitely support keeping the meeting at the same time and doing a set time at say 5 or 5 30 or prior to consent agenda item thank you mayor councilmember steinke thank you mayor um mr city attorney and i don't know whether it plays in here or not but i know there is prudent man rule and as we would uh talk about a a specific time is it is it possible that that in in our rules that we would identify that citizens input would happen no later than x number of minutes after the start of the meeting i don't believe that that would resolve the issue so so placing it as and i think according to our agenda tonight it actually would have been based on the mayor's comments would be number seven if it was done after recognitions and achievements yes because council member um donnell had said six six is actually recognitions and achievements so according to tonight's agenda would be number seven so if we put it there as as number seven that wouldn't be a a time certain no but i was saying that it's early enough in the agenda that something like a prudent man rule said hey we we made that one of the first things you got to be able to sit for 15 minutes if it's earlier in the agenda as the mayor has uh identified it would satisfy this issue okay it just despite what council member can do except but you know i i don't i don't see we normally spend a lot of time but but i think anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes won't run afoul of the issue okay i i would i would i would be in favor of moving it up um not having a time certain i wouldn't want to get to a point where we're halfway through something we have to stop it uh and so if moving it up in this case to item number seven would satisfy any concerns of any ada claims then i'd be in favor of moving it up as well i also would be in favor of moving the meeting uh to nine o'clock to business meeting um we like the mayor said we have people that work at night that don't get to come to the nighttime meetings um so um i could i could go either way but i could be in favor of moving the meeting to nine in the morning thank you mayor council member kilring yeah uh city manager do you have any idea how much more time we're spending now in the way we're structured i've never run the analysis but i mean it it does happen as well as consultant we you have to have consultants come in for after hours okay i'm going to test the waters mayor i'd like to make a motion to move the meetings to 9 a.m with a date certain of 9 15 through ada all right is there uh that's a motion is there a second i need clarification on the question i need clarification on the motion joe we can't hear you down here sorry councilmember kilring i'll repeat if you like or madam city clerk did you hear so i heard uh the motion was to move to 9 a.m with a date certain of 9 15 9 15 for the ada but i don't know what that means you mean for citizens for your purposes and import i'm sorry 9 15 for a start time okay for citizens input for citizens input so that's uh yes that's for motion to move the meetings to 9 a.m there was the term with date certain 9 15 as the start time for citizens input i believe let me let me see if i clear it up i believe that that councilmember carol rain's motion is to move the start of the of the council meeting to 9 a.m with the understanding that citizens input shall commence at 9 15. is that my understanding yes is that your motion that's my motion as a second agree we got plenty of seats in the front if you'd like to move up i did sorry about that uh my motion would be to put it after roll call for citizens input which should be about 9 15 give or take but it's before we start discussing anything but going to 9 a.m is not a problem so i guess i'm modifying the motion makers motion well you can't do that all right then i'm pulling my second okay or the or the motion maker could change his motion yeah i'll go ahead and change it just for consideration you know it's it's fine i think you were going to hit at the same time but we can do it that way it would work i'd modify it as a second yeah now i agree all right all right we'll continue we got some more lights on here council member kadoo thank you mayor was that all council member kilroy yeah that's right i'm sorry thank you mayor so uh a lot has happened since i pushed my light on how long is too long when someone says they can't stand or sit that long so i mean that's exactly why i would say a time certain and if we're moving meetings to 9 a.m well sure it's a business meeting and i'll accommodate my schedule we are eliminating some of our working class people and the students that we recognize with the wrecking recognitions and achievements i mean it's mainly students that we're recognizing they can't come they're in school so i don't know what we're doing here but i'm okay with moving citizens input before the consent agenda however my point is we have to have a time certain if not we're not addressing the ada issue the ada issue is i can't sit that long what is that long that goes into affordable what is affordable is it affordable for you for me that long i can't sit that long is that an hour is that five minutes i don't know so to me it needs to be a time certain thank you council member long i'll let you speak since you haven't spoken before i go to council member donna thank you mayor yeah i i thought we were here to talk about moving the input time to the front of the meetings for ada right now essentially use this as what appears to be a trojan horse to catapult uh the meeting times to 9 00 a.m which i wasn't prepared to discuss so that's in and of itself a little bit absurd but i would not support that i you know further i think one of the one of the attempts to justify that was predicated in fact the motion was predicated on a question about whether we pay overtime to our staff for being here late it's my understanding that we do not as their salaried employees and in fact i think as a result of them staying late a makeup for that by not coming in for a certain amount of hours later on in the week is that correct not for hourly employees only for salary okay and how many hourly employees do you estimate we have uh that come into these meetings i was the question i don't i've never run the analysis i don't know i mean but we do have hourly employees that come in general composition of hourly or salary that we have that hang around here on a routine basis i've never run the analysis okay um yeah so i mean i wouldn't support the 9 00 a.m i think we're we're we're going backwards with regards to the the original intent which i didn't support admittedly uh when it happened to move the meeting times later so we could have that input um to the mayor's point with the rippling effect now that's kind of created some other issues that i thought we were here to correct with regards to moving to the front of the meeting and keeping that meeting time uh the same which i would support but i would not support the uh the 9 00 a.m move as i don't find it pertinent to the discussion about ada at all thank you councilmember dad no i am more all right councilmember last row thank you mayor do we mr city manager do we ever have hourly employees in this room or are they mostly sour we do right with water sometimes water yeah absolutely yes what'd you say that planning planning thank you planning water okay i just wanted to confirm that um you know uh again i'm not going to support this um we'll see how it goes and um i may make a new motion if this one fails thank you mayor yeah so member cadu thank you so does the ada person go first or do they go at the end of the 60 minutes based upon what they've requested um i don't believe it'll run a fall with the change they would so they would wait until their name is called and they would wait 60 minutes or whatever whatever so what are we doing here i hope our ada person who's not in the audience is getting his show that he wanted are you are you i mean is it if he's waiting the whole 60 minutes we're not saying he's going to the front of the line based upon the request that he submitted i don't i don't see that if we were to move it to the very beginning it would not run a fall based on what he's requested and submitted so he can wait a whole hour as as i understand it yes okay well i would say i would be comfortable with our meeting time starting at 4 p.m and a citizens input starting at 5 p.m we're into our meeting we like i said i would love staff to go ahead and look into it but i remember cra meetings having a time certain when they stopped in the middle of their meeting and then spoke citizens input and then went back to their meeting we definitely did that at one point in time thank you uh councilmember steinke thank you mayor a good point uh was brought up as it relates to the recognition and achievements in the students um do the do we know how the other municipalities that have their their meetings you know during the business day how they deal with recognition achievements of students and and those that would have a conflict i uh i only know is that when we started that the chair board chairman uh said that they do this in other cities so they must have found a way to to work it into a schedule or they must have found that i so that they must have been a meeting so when you do have morning meetings you you have to have a meeting once a month for land development code issues that needs to start after five five oh one so they they likely probably do it in that meeting okay thank you councilmember laster thank you i can answer that for you real quick council member steinke i know from the county perspective as being a board member for pay center for girls for the last 14 years we've brought our students there for special recognitions and we've just made accommodations to have them there at 10 a.m when when it was time for them to be there and i've seen other groups that have done that as well when i've sat in the county meetings so i know that special accommodations are made depending on which group is being recognized like in other words the students get there they make they make it a point to get there either through their parents or through in our case that pace it's through the school we have buses or yeah we have buses and we take them there bands okay thank you mayor that's helpful thank you okay seeing no other lights on we have a motion second on the floor madam city clerk please call the vote i think there's a level of uncertainty regarding the motion so let me see if i can't memorialize it after the conversation between councilmember kilrain and councilmember lehman can't hear you okay the the motion i believe as it's pending right now is by councilmember kilrain who modified his motion and that modification would be that the start time for the city council meeting shall be at 9 a.m and that the citizens input shall commence after roll call which presently is identified as number four on our agenda that is my understanding and councilmember lehman is supportive of that i seconded it is that correct thank you that's correct okay madam city clerk please call the roll lehman aye long no steinke no donnell gunter no kadoop no kilrain all right lastra no two eyes six nays motion failed mayor i'd like to make another motion go ahead i would i would like to make a motion that we continue to start our meetings at 4 p.m with uh what do you call it councilmember caduce time certain of uh 5 30 p.m second okay i'll open up for any discussion on that um you know i think that one of the things that we're trying to do here is bring an individual in uh that has special requests and try to do it as early as possible on the agenda i'll support the 4 4 p.m start time like i had mentioned before get the pledge of allegiance out of the way the invocation try to get the recognition and then and then do citizens input so with that i won't support the motion but i understand uh something very similar to what i said before uh councilmember steinke thank you mayor uh similarly i i don't have a problem with leaving it at four o'clock um but i don't think we have a time certain and then have to try to manage the meeting around when that starts i would be in favor of it uh immediately following recognition and achievements uh which tends to get done very quickly um and i gotta believe that uh that we're not going to break any ada and council uh believes that we would not be breaking any ada uh rules to uh have it within that time frame in the meeting thank you councilmember down now the same i just wanted to say to council member kuduke um i did hear our attorney say that great question what are we doing i did hear him say that there is no legal requirement to pinpoint an exact time for it so with that being said and thank you for correcting the number i won't be supporting this motion but i would like to see it as number seven thank you councilman stanky and then the the larger point is we can put in the front one a mechanism that says for those of our community members that that however you phrase it ada compliant they would be understood to be at the front if we had to put that in writing then that takes care of that so that's what i would like to see if this if this one fails to have it at that point number seven and make a if we have to put it in there that those that need the ada or however you phrase it i understand we're pointing it out not trying to point out but we have to be in um follow the the law and they'll just go first and we move on that's all okay council member long yeah uh i'm in agreement with councilman stanky so i just wanted to put that uh out there that that's why i won't be supporting this one because i'm hopeful that you know if this one fails that we could support that idea thank you councilmember lee yeah uh i don't think we can pinpoint the time and say 5 30. uh finally the meeting starting at 4 not a problem but put it after a specific item after roll call after recognitions and i think recognitions could be very long so we could be a longer situation that's why i'm saying put it after roll call thank you uh councilmember steinke thank you mayor yeah i just i'd be a little concerned about about putting a mechanism in place to have anyone that was ada get to go first i think we put someone in a position of then making judgment calls over whether someone has a valid ada um requirement and that's a that's a judgment call i don't think anybody wants to be involved with if the actual citizen but time is is it a time that is reasonable that someone doesn't have to to sit and wait i think i think that's good enough i think then uh because everybody wants to go first so so everybody would you know say well i've got this problem or that problem or anything else so i think you have citizens input at the front right you know right there after recognitions and achievements um and we just handle them just like we do now with the cards that's it thanks uh councilmember lehman yeah um no you're right you can't isolate someone with an ada issue because it's no one else's business what their ada issue is to put all the citizens input but you know and if the vote is so be it to put it after recognitions i think it should be before recognitions but whatever the rest of the council feels is fine thank you uh madam city clerk i have no other lights on could you repeat the motion and please call the roll actually can i amend the emotion are you okay if i amend this motion we haven't called the roll yet okay so um given that i i can count the votes and not going to have the support i'm hoping my second will support me i would like to make a motion to bring citizens input back to um right after our recognitions and prior to consent agenda item and other agenda items second and meeting starts at four second agree second all right so we have a revised motion uh is everybody clear on the motion when does this take effect that sound like the motion was to bring citizens input forward in our agenda to directly after recognitions and achievements is that correct council member last yes sir and prior to consent agenda items so we get it back and to and i just want to take effect at our next regular council meeting returning after hiatus which is july 15th so july 15th taking effect july 15th yes that's fine second agree yeah the last mr mayor just real quick does that satisfy what we need to do legally with ada with what we're about to vote as far as i'm concerned now we'll address and resolve this matter okay just want that on record that's all okay thank you seeing no other lights on we have motion second on the floor madam city clerk please call the roll lehman hi long hi steinke hi donnell hi gunter hi caduc no kilrain all right lastra no six i mean i i'm sorry i don't i'm sorry i meant i i'm sorry are you the new flipper that's you i'm gonna sing that song seven eyes one nay motion carried okay i think we finally got through that let's uh let me get back to where i know i'm supposed to be how's it going all right so we did the uh uh d3 all right let's move on to item d3 uh overview of the house bill 803 good evening mayor and council matthew grambo deputy development services director this evening i'll be providing a presentation uh providing an overview of a major piece of new state legislation house bill 803 which was signed by the governor last month and goes into effect on july 1st of this year that has multiple effects to our local permitting process here at the city of cape coral and statewide i'd like to begin with a brief history of statutory permitting preemptions from the state of florida that local permit issuing agencies such as the city of cape coral must comply with back in 2009 it established the uh the legislature established a base baseline uniform standard for permitting within the state of florida through the adoption of florida statutes 553 in particular it focused on uh existing uncodified construction standards across jurisdiction jurisdictions throughout the state of florida and uh restricted local jurisdictions from creating any type of uh arbitrary municipal application or uncodified construction standards 10 years later in 2019 the state passed a major piece of legislation house bill 447 which established the right for property owners and contractors to utilize third-party services for plan review and inspections it also added the first permit expiration standards within the state of florida at 30 days requiring a 30-day notification to permit holders prior to the expiration of the permit and it also provided local building officials with the right to administratively close permits after six years as long as there was no life safety issue and if it was near the the end of the project in the final inspection in 2021 through house bill 1059 the first standardized service level requirements came into effect that's that 30 business day residential turnaround time that we had talked about during our presentation several weeks ago it also established a 15 business day limit for verifying initial application completeness and provided a 10 business day a turnaround time for the city to review resubmissions for permit applications this bill also established a new requirement to have 100% digital online permitting portals and electronic submissions for all jurisdictions after the covid 19 pandemic in 2023 the legislature passed house bill 1383 which is the local licensure preemption bill that we've talked about after this bill was approved all specialty contractor licensing was preempted to the state of florida the city council of kit corral at the time approved the sun setting of our local licensing program in response to that bill and then two years ago house bill 267 established some additional requirements in terms of service level it established a 12 business day maximum turnaround time for mastered building permit reviews as well it limited the number of requests for information that local permitting issuing agencies could request from from permit applicants and that brings us to today in 2026 with house bill 803 and the remainder of this presentation we'll discuss major effects of this bill related to our local permitting process so to begin i'd like to discuss the 7500 permitting exemption this has been widely communicated through the media and there's a lot of conversation in our community related to this section of house bill 803 so what the bill does related to 7500 or less permit applications or projects on residential properties in municipalities throughout the state of florida is it establishes that certain low-risk residential projects with a total contract amount of 7500 or lower may bypass a traditional building permit process this is not an automatic exemption from the permitting process in particular there's a mandatory written exemption request process so property owners or contractors must submit a formal written request to the city enforcement agency and that needs to be accompanied by a signed contract or other formal documentation that can detail two different things the scope of the work and the valuation of the work and the reason that it requires the scope of the work is that there's a set of additional exemptions from the 7500 permitting exemption of 803 which i'll discuss in in a couple slides finally it makes it illegal to split any any projects into smaller pieces to try to get around permitting by splitting a single project into multiples uh 7500 or less projects so going to the real critical information related to the 7500 exemption there's two major areas that deem a project ineligible for this 7500 exemption one of the most important for us here at the city of cape coral is as you can see in paragraph one on the slide um in the italics work on a property that is partially or entirely located in a flood hazard area as defined as the florida building code um is ineligible for for this exemption so as we've discussed through much of our floodplain work over the last two years uh just under 60 percent of the city um is located within our special flood hazard area and so any of the the properties uh on the image on the image on the right side of the slide that is pink or red in color that is our special flood hazard area so any properties located uh within that flood designation um are not eligible uh to take advantage of this exemption additionally and and very critically and i want to stress this uh projects that involve any electrical plumbing structural mechanical or gas work on a single family dwelling property are ineligible for this exemption so that's a really really important point to hit home here because that covers a wide variety of types of work that are done on on private property within the city so again it's electrical plumbing structural mechanical or gas work any projects that involve that type of work on a private property uh still need to go through the permitting process and anything that is within our special flood hazard area still need to go through the permitting process so you may be asking okay what actually could be exempt within the city of kid coral so uh this chart here which is not all-encompassing uh we are still uh working actively with our other local building officials in southwest florida and actually our building official and key building division staff are currently at the building officials association of florida conference up in jacksonville this week uh where this is clearly a major topic so we are trying to ensure that we're going to be consistent with other jurisdictions in terms of the scopes of work that may be able to benefit from this exemption on the left side you can see uh this is our initial list of what could uh what could take advantage of that exemption uh projects such as interior and exterior cosmetic painting and these are all without outside of the special flood hazard area interior and exterior cosmetic painting baseboards crown molding and internal trim work replacements of flooring and tile uh blown in insulation uh minor stucco or plaster repairs on existing masonry walls shed structures that are less than a six by six by six uh size without utility connections and then minor driveway walkway flat work including some hardscape features that are currently permitted outside of the primary structure what this exemption regardless of cost would not cover are things like core utility system improvements your electrical plumbing mechanical and gas work which are expressly um uh exempted from from the 7500 or less exemption um structural work anything that it relates to force with the structure including foundation modifications and structural loads uh for example if someone was looking to extend uh their lanai and that uh concrete slab was uh epoxied and structurally connected to the structure's foundation that would be considered a structural improvement if it was a pour that would not be connected to this foundation that would not be a structural improvement roofing replacements window and door replacements alterations and renovations in the interior of the building swimming pools and then of course anything in the special flood hazard area this is our building official in our building division's initial list it is not all encompassing um this is being polished and discussed with other building officials around the state of florida uh this week at the building officials association of florida conference and the city will be uh releasing formal communications and notices to the industry uh with a final list uh that will be very very consistent uh with other jurisdictions throughout throughout the state of florida moving on to another section of house bill 803 temporary hurricane protection barriers so 803 uh exempts residential hurricane protection barriers and storm surge walls from the permitting process but this again has a series of exemptions that need to be taken into consideration prior to constructing or deploying one of these on a residential property again and a bit to our of our confusion uh the special flood hazard area also is not an eligible area for a temporary hurricane protection barriers a very important provision of 803 relates to the non-habitability and non-load bearing nature of these types of storm protection improvements and to clarify that our building division has developed a non-load bearing test so non-habitable is pretty self-explanatory it cannot be occupied uh however we believe that there could be some confusion on non-load bearing and so um that we're going to be relying on generally accepted engineering principles um and would require uh just as the 7500 or less improvements um an exemption request to be submitted to us uh just to validate um that none of these systems are structural uh connected to the structure physically anchored into the structure um or designed um to transfer any of the forces uh to the the primary structure that is being protected um so this is uh we received updated guidance uh from the florida division of emergency management on residential uh dry flood proofing uh recently uh we believe that the legislature crafted this particular section uh to comply with the guidance from fdem uh and it is a relatively narrow exemption uh that again is limited to outside of the special flood hazard area uh one component of 803 um that has not gotten much attention but uh we are taking uh very seriously uh is new mandated review times uh for residential permits under uh 15 000 000 uh what 803 does effective july 1st is it establishes a new shot clock uh related to uh simple residential permits for existing single-family dwelling properties uh it requires local permit issuing agencies uh with city plans examiners uh to complete reviews of uh residential improvement projects under fifteen thousand dollars uh within a maximum of five business days uh what this also does and as you may recall uh the current standard is 30 business days for residential permits uh since the year 2021 uh it also requires uh local governments or prevents local governments uh from uh requesting any type of waiver of any type of statutory timeline uh there were actually multiple jurisdictions in southwest florida that until recently uh had a checkbox to exempt uh them from the from the timelines uh contained in statute uh the city of kit coral has never done that uh but this is now uh prohibited uh at the state level uh additionally 803 uh uh related to the 15 000 or less residential permits uh creates a new default approval trigger so if if you if you recall uh other sections of 553 794 uh require a permit fee refund based on the number of days that the local permit issue and issuing agency misses uh they're they've made a change in the legislation where uh for under 15 000 residential permits the permit will be deemed approved uh if a response is not provided to the applicant within five business days and so what that means is uh the application is legally approved by law and the permit issuing agency needs to issue that permit the very next business day if it misses a timeline so it's it's no more uh permit fee refunds the 10 per day um it is actually a legal approval by law and the permit must be issued uh the very next business day so in sum on the review time element uh you can see here on this slide the very top one with the gold shaded business days uh that is the the new standard for low value residential projects and you can see the other uh previously established statutory timelines for master building permits small residential structures large residential commercial and then the cdbg disaster recovery uh funds uh projects typically associated with affordable housing at the at the 10 business days house bill 803 also makes some pretty sweeping changes uh to private provider regulations in the state of florida uh in particular uh it establishes a minimum discount for the election of a private provider the discount has to be at least 25 percent uh applicable to the portion of the permit fee associated with building inspections and plan review and so not processing an administration a minimum discount of 25 percent for only inspections and a minimum discount of 50 percent for both plan review and inspections uh so if you recall we had a recent discussion about our private provider discount here at the city of cape coral recently within the last six months our current discount is 33 percent for inspections uh so we are in good shape on the inspections front and it's currently 49.7 percent for both plan review and inspections now again i refer you to to point b on the slide this is the discount this is only applicable the discount to building inspections and plan review our permit fees include processing administration uh plan review and inspections it includes all of that and so uh we believe that the 0.3 percent difference from 90 uh 49.7 percent our current discount to the 50 percent minimum um is greater than the 0.3 percent and so we believe that we are in full compliance with 803 as related to the private provider provider discount that we offer additionally 803 limits the ability for local permit issuing agencies to audit private providers we must now give as of july 1st provide a five day advance notice prior to doing any type of audits of private provider plan review or inspections and we also as a local government may not delay construction due to any type of private provider audit and finally related to these changes um municipalities are prohibited and it is now illegal uh for any type of prohibition or discouragement of the utilization of private provider for plan review or inspections another major change that we are taking very seriously and this has been the subject of multiple conversations with the city manager's office is the state is changing uh how municipalities may approach the expiration of permits currently the city applies a inactivity standard for for building permit expirations after 180 days of inactivity we automatically expire our building permits inactivity means that there are no past inspections or no extension requests for 180 days after 803 we will only be able to expire single family dwelling permits one year after the issuance of the permit or the next edition of the florida building code whichever is later so what that means is that if there's a building code change the eighth edition of the building code will come into effect uh this december 31st um on j if a permit applicant uh receives an issued building permit on january 1st of 2027 that permit regardless of activity will not expire until december 31st of 2029 so nearly three years um so we are concerned about this um not being able to enforce uh our expired permit standards typically when a permit goes expired we're able to use the code enforcement process uh bring a case under uh 105.4 of the florida building code um and to leverage that uh to encourage some some movement on on a stalled construction project for single family residential permits uh under 803 uh this this will change and it'll be one year or the next building code whichever is later so up to just under three years uh and finally uh the house house bill 803 also requires the florida building commission to create standard permit applications uh statewide for both residential and commercial permit types uh the commission has one additional year to provide those standard applications and those are due to the state by july 1st of 2027. we will be in close contact with florida building commission this is a topic that is being discussed at the building officials association of florida conference this week uh this will have major uh ramifications in terms of how we structure our permit applications uh and how we need to reconfigure our online software system so we'll be working very closely with the building commission and ready to implement this next year and finally house bill 803 also restricts how we can determine our permit fee amounts uh it prohibits using project valuation for building permit fees our current fee schedule uh currently does not use valuation to determine permit fees for new construction it utilizes construction type as well as square footage for new construction and then there are flat fees associated with our miscellaneous permits so we are currently in compliance with our current fee schedule with house bill 803 so i know that that was a lot of information um i stand by for any questions and i'm looking forward to the discussion thank you city manager thanks mayor i i i know that um there's some expectations of this bill and so i'm i want to characterize this bill and it's going to sound like a joke but it's not so what the state has done is they have provided an exemption for permits that require people to ask us to get it which means you have to come to us to even seek it but where we previously never had to review contracts now we are going to be reviewing contracts to make sure that they're underneath the 7500 so government is now further into your business than it was before they provided an exemption as long as you're outside of the special flood hazard area for for temporary protection barriers so if you live in the middle of the state outside of a flood zone you can get you can put up flood protection i don't know why you'd ever need it they provided an automatic trigger to issue the permit if within five days the specific failure is not noted so we are going to be the state is going to be issuing permits automatically approved whether or not it's fbc compliant and unwilling homeowners they're going to be getting their contractors are going to be doing work not knowing if that work was ever compliant to building code just because a five-day window is missed and then lastly we're going to have ghost homes floating around the city until 2029 because they don't believe we should be able to expire permits that have no work on them that's your summary it's going to be lobbied and or it's going to be said that this is is is helping our community there are a lot of issues with this but we're going to be forced by state law to implement effective july 1st thank you council member kudu thank you mayor the city manager really hit on it i mean in my neighborhood alone we have these permits and you guys get my emails all the time about them um looks like district 7 is really the only area of all of cape coral we have our forty thousand dollar assessment but we get our seventy five hundred dollar exemption looks like a win only if you prove to us with a contract and you come and see that and by the way when we do that review uh it's free of charge well we'll be finding a way to we're going to have to find a way to pay for those as well so i guess my question is how many permits do we approve that fall within the exemption categories per year so for the for the exemption categories uh the good news for us is uh outside of the special flood hazard area we actually don't require permits for the vast majority of the scopes of work there uh even though um we do require yeah we do require uh permits for within the special flood hazard area including for items like painting because that is considered an improvement via fema to the structure and that valuation needs to be incorporated into into the 50 rule determination um the only types of permits uh that we would require that we currently require really are are your your paving and hardscape feature permits um and as long as they're not structurally attached i think that that that's probably a good opportunity for exemption for that however we do have impervious surface uh calculation standards uh through our land development code and engineering design standards that still would need to be taken into consideration as well as uh related to storm water infrastructure and the preservation of the swales um but it's a relatively limited scope of work that we uh currently uh would don't we currently don't require a permit for especially out of the special flood hazard area okay and i guess we maybe should go to a cow to discuss the uh two year i mean that's a long time for we're going to have a lot of ghost homes in in my specific neighborhood alone we have them already sitting so i i really need to figure out what we can do for the past several months my staff you heard matt say that there's been a series of topic of discussions uh we have been frantically expiring the permits before july 1st yeah good where we can yeah where we know you know and uh citywide as of earlier this week when we had another touch base meeting with the city manager's office about this initiative uh we were down to i believe it was 31 uh single-family homes that were in expired status um without a code case and without a stop or quarter so we've reduced that until we're expiring and then opening a code case and if they ever want to restart that they need to pull a new permit okay okay thank you councilmember kilroy yeah just just a couple points with respect to uh the 7500 requirement um i know i sat in the bia meeting that we had and if you uh look at the permits that were processed and lost few months i think it was about 20 000 of those 80 of those just have been to require all of the the parameters uh for uh either uh falling into the floodplain and or because of the nature of the uh work that's going to be done whether it be structural electrical plumbing whatever uh so and and based on that residents it's not clear to residents right now i appreciate you bringing this forward and emphasizing to residents that um not everyone under 7500 gets an out and we're especially uh because our unique nature of having a 60 percent flood zone and also those other requirements um they're going to have to still come forward and and that permit's going to have to be reviewed to the extent that those permits are not required you still have to perform the service so it's going to take staffing and manpower that we don't have a capability of getting a fee for right now so that's going to bring up another deficit condition uh from a financial standpoint for us in that area uh and that was discussed thoroughly uh in in that meeting and there was empathy for it by the the construction industry too and we thought about maybe maybe ways of accomplishing that might be to you know look at additional maybe uh additional fee on top of some of the current permitting uh requirements just to cover that piece of it so i just want to bring that forward right now that that's some of the ways that you're thinking about accomplishing it uh anything to add to that matt matt that i missed it so that's been a very big conversation amongst the different built permit issuing agencies not just here in southwest florida but throughout the state is is how are we going to be working with these exemption requests uh what the most popular option seems to be uh through a plurality of local agencies is to utilize their existing system to process these to have them submit their exemption request uh similarly to a permit application but not to assess a fee and then once a determination is made that same application could turn into a permit application or turn into an approved exemption or no permits being required at all which is the case for us with most of our non-special flood hazard area simple projects interiorly that is just good for record keeping it allows us to utilize and leverage our existing online digital permitting system it also allows us to make determinations in a very organized and structural manner additionally it also allows us to make a record and have documentation of a given improvement that received the exemption very often we'll get complaints from neighbors uh that their neighbor installed an unpermitted improvement in their backyard for us as staff it's really critical to have documentation that we reviewed it and it was legally exempt from permitting and that's why that improvement was permitted there okay and i just want to emphasize i really appreciate the effort put into this and the knowledge base that you've further expanded uh beyond your current depth of knowledge and uh it was quite impressive you supported my town hall the other night and uh the residents are really impressed with the capabilities brought forward and the information provided there so thank you for that thank you council member down now the question is for those that submit permits that means we're going to have to have staff to review them so my head is saying they're going to be reviewing permits that will not get approved so who's paying for those man hours that that where's that money coming from that the state set aside a fund to be so we can recoup our monies for the most time on it's what we uh refer to as an unfunded mandate all right all right thank you matt appreciate the uh the update uh and what the effects will have uh on our building department and uh one more thing sorry mr mayor um we are working with the communications office to develop some comprehensive educational materials for our community including contractors and homeowners uh the community should be able to see that information including a new web-based information portal on this within the next several weeks thank you okay thank you all right before i move on uh my button on there oh i'm sorry no worries uh matt real quick uh i don't think that we touched fence permits in the non-flood hazard where does that fall sure uh so we we've had fence permits that have ranged from 500 to over 20 000 so it really is dependent on material uh that is one topic uh that our building staff that are up in jacksonville right now are having an in-depth conversation on whether those fall under the definition of a structural improvement um it really depends on on the type of material um whether there's footers i don't want to speak too much for the building official i'd argue that's probably going to be the most important subject at least in the contracting community moving forward so i figured there was a reason it was left out probably because we're still working on it but i just wanted to make sure sure yep and as soon as we gather additional information and find some consistency with other agencies we'll be sure to share that with council awesome thank you man appreciate it all right thank you okay uh since it's about 6 30 uh before i move on to item nine i think we'll take a 10 minute break um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um Thank you. 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Thank you. block 2475 unit 36 properties located at 5 diplomat parkway east and 6 northeast 16th terrace providing for an effective date mr city attorney thank you mayor in reference to resolution number 120-26 this is quasi judicial here if there were any ex parte communications regarding this matter any member of the council should disclose that at this point in time thank you any council members have any ex parte communications to divulge seeing none this is a quasi-judicial hearing anyone wishing to speak or provide testimony must be sworn in please stand up raise your right hand do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth i do thank you okay i'll turn it over to stat good evening mayor and council justin heller senior planner with the cape coral planning division so this is a vacation of alley which is located between 5 and 6 northeast 16th terrace the applicants are requesting uh to vacate uh 5100 square feet of alley and uh 4 860 square feet of underlying easements between lots 1 through 6 and 43 through 48 in addition to that there's two easements on the north and south side of that totaling 1458 square feet each these are also being requested to be vacated so some background on the site it's 1.67 acres on the west end of block 2475 comprised of two vacant parcels separated by this 20-foot wide unimproved platted alley the parcels have frontage on diplomat parkway east uh northeast 16th terrace and santa barbara boulevard north the site has a future land use classification of commercial professional with professional zoning uh the vacation alley and easements is going to allow the owners of these properties to strap the parcels into one larger commercial development site here we have an aerial uh showing these parcels and the alley between them uh next two slides are just the sketch and legals uh this is the right of way be vacated here we have the underlying easements these are the uh six foot puys on the north and south side of the alley to be vacated and here we have an access easement that will be granted in order to allow access to and from the remaining alley should that be developed in the future for future use by other property owners on that block all right so we analyze this under section 3.4.5 b standard one staff finds the alley is not needed for any future transportation or access related function as all sites have frontage on existing public streets and do not rely on the access for the alley for access additionally the city will be retaining a six foot wide perimeter easement around the consolidated property to accommodate future utility installation maintenance and drainage functions standard two in regards to requiring any easements uh necessary to accommodate this vacation to plat again the applicants are going to grant a cross-axis easement this will be needed to allow vehicle access from the alley to the west if future development improves and utilizes this alley standard three if alternate routes are required or available that do not cause adverse impacts the surrounding areas staff finds that all properties in the block have access from surrounding streets again that cross-axement easement is going to be provided by the owners of the city and will provide alternate route for vehicles exiting the alley if it improves in the future standard four if the closure of the right-of-way negatively affects areas utilized for vehicles to turn around and exit an area staff finds the vacation or elimination of the platted alley should have no negative effect on the existing uses in the block since the alley is not currently uh improved it's unpaved at the moment standard five whether utility providers have given consent to the vacation and plat easements or right-of-way and yes all three utility providers have provided letters of no objection to the requested vacations uh the core planning division is recommending approval the requested vacations with conditions and the hearing examiner is also recommending approval with conditions the hearing was held on april 21st and i'll stand by if you guys have any questions okay thank you is there uh any testimony from the applicant or the representative of the applicant please come forward good evening linda miller vice president of avalon engineering representing the property owners to vacate a portion of the alley on block 2475 unit 36 would like to thank justin for doing his presentation today he kind of covered a lot of things i was going to discuss the reason for this request is for us to be able to strap the parcels together and have full depth for construction so we'll have 270 feet to construct on the site the parcels are zoned professional there's no zoning request in this application the vacation application met the requirements to seek approval of this vacation staff and the hearing examiner recommending approval we're in agreement with the staff's conditions and all the fees associated with the conditions have been paid i stand by to answer any questions you may have okay thank you very much i'll open up public hearing anyone wishing to speak on resolution 120-26 please come forward seeing none public hearing is now closed is there a motion regarding resolution 120-26 motion to approve is there any council discussion saying none madam city clerk please call the roll lehman long steinke aye banal banal banter aye caduc aye kilrain aye lastro aye eight ayes motion carried they move on to ordinance 30-26 madam city clerk please read the title ordinance 30-26 an ordinance of the mayor and city council of the city of cape coral florida that amends the city of cape coral florida official zoning district map of all property within the limits of the city of cape coral by rezoning property described as a parcel of land located at the northeast corner of santa barbara boulevard north and kismet parkway west block 2297b unit 36 cape coral subdivision as more particularly described herein from single-family residential to commercial zone providing for severability and an effective date thank you mr city attorney thank you mayor in reference to ordinance number 30-26 because this is a public uh quasi judicial hearing if there are any ex parte communications regarding this matter by any members of the council it should be disclosed at this point any uh ex parte communications any council members need to divulge okay seeing none uh this is a quasi judicial hearing anyone wishing to speak or provide testimony must be sworn in if you are please stand and raise your right hand do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth i do thank you all right good evening mayor city council for the record chad boyco principal planner with the city's planning division this is ordinance 30-26 it is a city initiated rezoning application this is the follow-up application to a lane juice that was done last year uh the applicant is the city of cape coral it's located at the intersection of santa barbara boulevard and kismet parkway we're looking at just under 70 000 square feet in size it's within the reserve area of the urban services boundary there are there's no utilities available to the site currently we're looking at probably a time frame of 10 to 12 years before utilities are available to this site and the request is a rezone from the single family residential district to the commercial district the site is undeveloped it has a alleyway that is to the north it is down by four streets and the surrounding development is either undeveloped properties or single-family homes here is an existing zoning map and the proposed zoning map you can see that this would be commercial zoning uh there is a lot of single-family residential zoning around it uh being that this is in the the northeast portion of cape coral uh you don't have a lot of commercial development up there due to the lack of utility infrastructure uh this site was identified through a future land use change in a study trying to bring in more commercial at sites that were appropriate for that development this site is at the intersection of two four-lane roadways and has substantial size to support a commercial development in the future and at the time of the future land use and also the rezoning request the applicant was on board with this and has agreed to the land use and the subsequent zoning change as we mentioned it's a little under 70 000 square feet you're looking at about an acre and a quarter uh it was a single family future land use up until 2025 and the r1 zoning has been in place since 1990 with the adoption of the comprehensive plan uh you're looking at potential access from either kismet parkway or santa barba boulevard you've also got a 20-foot wide alleyway we mentioned previously that is undeveloped uh and the rezone is just the follow-up continuation of that change to get this property uh entitled with commercial possibilities uh we looked at this part of land development code we've got six standards that analyze things such as surrounding uses potential uses uh the compatibility with the comprehensive plan staff finds that uh based upon the site's location uh its size its depth its width it will be appropriate for commercial uses you do have some single family homes that are developed near this property however staff feels that with uh the buffers and the protections that we have within our land development code for single family homes and nearby commercial properties that any future commercial development will be uh fairly compatible with this development uh we're probably looking at uh commercial development occurring maybe within you know the 10 to 12 years when utilities are available on this site we find that it will be uh provide goods services employment opportunities to the to the residents of northeast cape coral uh we find that it's compatible with the conference of plan and staff recommends approval of the rezone to see we had a hearing examiner meeting with this and she also recommended approval of this change and we have not heard any correspondence from the residents on this case i'm here for any further questions thank you uh is the applicant or the applicant's representative here seeing none the city is the applicant so oh that's right you've got me in this case yeah sorry about that sorry the uh and i'd like to move on to uh the opening the public hearing is there anyone wishing to speak on ordinance 30-26 please come forward um would you make sure the mic's on please am i going okay good hello anyway my question on this one is uh everything around there looks like residential i know he said it could be a couple of years is this rezoning part of the discussion you just had with selling all the land that we're not using and is changing it going to just help the sale or uh because commercial is different than using it as a business office they could put a car wash in there right five ten years from now so i think it's a little bit premature to change this if they're not even going to have utilities for 10 years and the people probably haven't discussed it with you because they don't know what's happening because we all know the city isn't always quick on that so um i would say that this is not a good plan right now thank you anyone else wishing to speak on this particular ordinance 30-26 seeing none public hearing is now closed is there a motion regarding ordinance 30-26 motion to approve is there any council discussion seeing none madam city clerk please call the roll lehman long steinke aye donnell gunter aye kuduke aye kilrain aye last row aye eight eyes motion carried okay let's move on to 9b legislative uh public hearings first of which is ordinance 27-26 this item was uh continued uh from the may 20th 26 regular meeting uh madam city clerk please read the title ordinance 27-26 ordinance of the mayor and city council of the city of cape coral florida authorizing the issuance of not to exceed 65 65 million dollars in principal amount of bonds to finance and refinance the acquisition construction and equipping of various capital improvements within the city providing for a covenant to budget and appropriate legally available non-ad valorem revenues to pay debt service on the bonds providing for the rights of the holders of such bonds and providing severability and an effective date thank you mr city attorney would you please provide an overview overview why we find ourselves here today and any proposed changes uh to the ordinance thank you mayor so as you recall two weeks ago this matter was brought before you all uh as part of the uh discussion ensued during the regular council meeting uh there was uh an understanding that the matter would be continued to today's date uh with a stop at the committee of the whole which occurred in last wednesday and so we are here today as a as a result of the continuation of the matter at the last regular council meeting with the stop over at the committee of the whole and we are here today as a result of of that action took place by the council okay thank you i'll turn it over to uh staff thank you crystal fees financial services director so as the city attorney um stated uh this ordinance was first introduced may 6th publicly held or heard on may 20th and then continued to tonight the ordinance authorizes and the issuance of up to 65 million dollars in special obligation revenue bonds and it's required by the city's charter to authorize any borrowing of money through an ordinance which is why we're here tonight the proceeds of this ordinance will be used to finance capital improvements which were listed in the ordinance refinance prior indebtedness and pay issuance costs related to the borrowing of the money the ordinance recognizes that the debt service on these bonds will be payable from legally available non-advaloram revenues subject to annual budget and appropriation it also spells out that these bonds are not a general obligation to the city and does not pledge ad valorem taxes so again it's just strictly going to be repaid using non-advaloram revenues resolution 106-26 which will be um brought to your attention next will establish final the bond proceeds of the bond proceeds to the bond proceeds to the bond proceeds will be used for the the bond proceeds to the bond proceeds to the bond proceeds to the bond proceeds to the bond proceeds that we will end up borrowing will fund these projects and these projects only and we will only borrow to cover the cost of the projects and the issuance costs to borrow the money the annual debt service will be repaid utilizing the following sources of revenue general fund revenue sources will be used for jc park improvements and the yacht club seawall improvements golf course revenues will be used to repay coral oaks irrigation improvements and six cent gas tax will be used to repay the north one west transportation improvements and the annual debt service payments have already been incorporated into future forecasts and with that i'll take questions and ask for your approval okay thank you i'll now open up public hearing anyone wishing to speak on ordinance 27-26 please come forward i think we discussed this last time i was here um you're asking for 65 million dollars in additional borrowing and we have still not explained if the city has actually got any lobbyist consultants or anyone else in our city managed government to see if we can get money from the state um we're right now getting ready to maybe have our taxes cut and you're still continuing to spend quick quick quick before this change i think it's not in good faith to the citizens to put us in any more debt we have a few months left for an election people are going to vote if we lose if you lose the money from our taxes we are responsible for all of this debt so do we need this money now you but you should start thinking about this you should have been thinking about it all along however you're not so now you just keep putting us in debt and it's ridiculous you got to stop this is too much to buy we're always borrowing every minute we're borrowing and from the beginning of this meeting to now we're just borrowing money my suggestion is slow down my name is marie cavanaugh and just like like she said it's the spending is out of control here you've got to stop it's got to stop because if this thing passes it's going to be a nightmare for future councils y'all aren't going to care you're not going to care where's it coming from what happened we there was a discussion last week at the cow that there was some 40 million dollars that we could use and borrow only like 25 million or 29 million you borrowed 25 million for biviny east you're going to have to borrow more to get the other properties that they want that's going to probably be at least another 10 million dollars if not more and this guy doesn't care what he spends on it he needs to breed art of the deal is what he needs to do hi council tom shadrack uh earlier tonight you approved uh the resolution to use all of our surplus cash that we had available to fund two projects in the future what the fleet maintenance and to start the entire taj mahal at the yacht club for the civil engineering of 35 million so you've obligated our cash but now here you're going into debt for things that are already done just to repay the commercial loan with a bond instead of using the cash on hand that you now are holding for something in the future i don't understand that why wouldn't you have just paid this with the cash we have in hand and i guarantee you there's more surplus this year that could have covered this entire thing it's kind of crazy that you are holding cash that we have in hand for something that we haven't done yet and you you're not using it to think to spend to pay for things we've already done crazy thank you good evening i'm david halsey i just have one question about the yacht club i don't understand why we're going to do all of the ground work when really we could just do the boat house we don't have to do the rest of the build out we would save millions of dollars just doing that one and back to which y'all have talked about at the cow we could get some revenue coming from the boathouse let's just do that one part get the seawall up get the boathouse going and not have to spend for water sewer electric for the rest of the rest of the project thank you anyone else wishing to speak on ordinance 27-26 seeing none uh public hearing is now closed is there a motion regarding ordinance 27 26. motion to approve is there a second may i bring something up first please i'll second for discussion okay before the motion uh yeah we can uh well we have a motion a second on the floor but we'll give you the opportunity uh to speak councilmember caducs first though thank you and i agree with the speakers i also voted no on that resolution to use our 40.5 million in cash for this exact reason i would assume that we would be paying off things that are already done rather than bonding this out so my question is what is the cost for the bonds the mayor had mentioned 10 percent we don't i can estimate but we don't have an exact cost we won't know that until we actually go up into the market but what's included in the cost is just underwriter fees legal fees obviously any potential insurance that we may have to um to purchase percentage to issue the debt i'm sorry what what is the percentage on these particular bonds it's actually pretty low i would say 500 000 would be a good estimate on cost of issuance on these particular bonds so i still don't understand why we're doing not to exceed 65 million thank you councilmember lehman yeah um some of it i agree with and some of it i don't um i think what people are missing is the reason for the bond issue and not using the cash we have on hand is in the event we get hit with another hurricane like ian and it could happen uh the money has to be there for immediate repairs uh the reason for the bond issue is so that this way it is being with the debt service it is being paid for currently and also for the people that are here now and also for the people that are going to be here over the next 20 years so that it's not getting we're not getting hit the residents now are not getting hit with the whole thing now as far as the yacht club no and i don't think we necessarily need 65 million dollars because with the yacht club i don't think we need to do any more of the utilities get the seawall built yes but any of the underground utilities we only need to go as far as the boathouse we don't i don't feel that we need to go for the utilities for the whole lot i think that has to be if we're going to do the yacht club in phases uh the utilities have to be phased two thank you council member laster thank you mayor mr city manager can you explain what mr halsey was stating when he talks about putting in the infrastructure just for the boat house the 35 million dollars covers covers that correct or all of it there's nothing in this issue tonight that has anything to do with that okay i just you walk i okay i just wanted to clarify okay all right thank you and um i also agree with the um speakers as well i didn't support this last time because i feel like especially now if we have the cash on hand we should spend it um and i you know i have concerns about that especially with everything coming up in our budget uh workshops tomorrow and friday so um thank you for clarifying that uh regarding the yacht club for mr holsey and um i still i still have reservations about supporting this thank you mayor mayor may i just clarify sure um i want to make sure everyone understands that we are not going to receive 65 million and only use what's needed to cover the cost of the projects and issuance of the debt when we go out it's going to be to cover the cost of the projects and and um the cost to issue the bonds and that's all we'll receive so that's why it's an up to 65 million we won't get any extra funds to decide what to do something else with the ordinance also clearly has these projects these four projects listed in it so that is all that we're going to fund using this money so the cost of these projects and the cost to issue the debt is all that we will receive i just want to make sure everyone understands that yeah and that's what one thing that i was going to mention you know if you go to slide four it shows exactly what this money is going to be used for jc park improvements we've already built it it's done we have commercial paper on it which is short term debt that we have to pay for then you have coral oaks golf course irrigation improvements for 2.5 million again that project is completed and there was a commercial paper short-term debt issued on that project north west transportation improvement for 14.0 million dollars the yacht club seawall improvements 23 million dollars so when you add all that up you have 58.2 million dollars in projects that we are talking about i think some of the comments during uh the public hearing they were co-mingling some of the some of the other projects that we've already talked about this particular ordinance is solely on these four items which have already been built they're already completed and all we doing is we're changing in from short-term debt to long-term debt now again like council member lehman stated uh we did have uh an opportunity when we discussed in our cow meeting we could have used uh some of the 40 million dollars or all of the 40 million dollars to pay for this when you do that exactly like council member lehman said then all the taxpayers today are paying for those improvements if you do a bond over 20 years 30 years then not only the taxpayers that are here today but all the future taxpayers will be paying for these four items so again there's been a lot of co-mingling uh with the discussion but this is exactly what we're talking about in ordinance 2726 we're not talking about the yacht club other than the seawall improvements that is currently being installed that this council was already approved and now we are just uh doing the long-term debt for that particular aspect of the yacht club so i just wanted to make sure that we clarified that um council member laster did you have anything that council member could do thank you mayor yes thank you for proving my point 58.2 million dollars she just said about 500 000 for underwriting fees and bonding issuance so why are we doing 65 million not to exceed and furthermore comes from lehman do you have an agenda with you like are you looking at an agenda resolution 150-26 which i pulled off a consent authorized the spending of the 40.5 million dollars that we had in unrestricted reserves so i didn't vote yes for that this evening but you all have now authorized the spending of that so now we have half of the fleet maintenance facility so now we have to finish the project and we're going to take debt out on that later on just so you know so again i don't support this we shouldn't be doing not to exceed 65 million and quite frankly we should have used our cash to pay for projects that are already done that doesn't make sense and you can sit here and say generational i'm never using coral oaks golf course that's not fair so now i'm paying for it thank you council member kilring yeah isn't there a date certain on our short-term paper that we have to retire it by or we pay penalty did you hear me i'm not talking to you guys i'm talking to the person excuse me do we is there a date certain um the commercial paper program currently uh we have it for three years so after three years um we can renew it or bring it back before council to renew but three years up uh from original uh under what conditions is it renewable the same conditions as it was originally purchase? Typically, yes. Okay, alright, thank you. There is a day turning we really need to act upon. I also want to say that the not to exceed 65 million, we can estimate what the underwriter's fees will be, legal fees. Those are easier estimates. What we can't estimate until we go out into the market is how, is whether the bonds will be sold at a premium or a discount. And so that's where we need the flexibility. My next slide, when we go over the resolution, gives you an illustration of an example of, you know, where the market was back in March. And at that time, we were estimating to price them at a premium. So basically, what that means is, we'll put them out at a 5% coupon rate, which is slightly above the market. That makes it a little bit more attractive to investors. They pay more upfront to purchase those bonds. That upfront money, we we receive as part of our bond proceeds. That reduces our par amount that we actually borrow. So in that situation, or in that example, the cost of issuance is a lot less, right? But if the opposite happens and they're sold at a discount, then we need that flexibility to be able to have that room to cover the cost, if that's the case. So it really is a not to exceed. We can estimate true cost cost, actual cost of our consultants and underwriters, but there is still an unknown that's not determined until we go out into the market. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Steinke. Thank you, mayor. Just something quick. The whole issue about never using Coral Oaks golf course, the revenues, if we go to slide five, it's the revenues from the people that do use Coral Oaks that'll be, that'll be responsible for making those. That's the collateral. So that's, that's where that comes from. And then the six cent gas tax is what pays for the Northwest transportation improvements. So the ones that we need to be concerned about making the payments on are the seawall improvements, which as council member layman said, are going to be enjoyed by people over the next decades. So it allows for the them to participate in the payment of that improvement and JC park same thing for decades people will be accessing that park and it allows those people using that park in years to come to help fund the improvements at JC Park thank you councilmember Donnell I'm gonna go to use the chat and spoken with thanks mayor the question is I was just kind of chuckling is and I opposed here I opposed everybody the last time that we spoke we talked about the three different things that council is grappling with and you're hearing it up right now so do you just the philosophy do we just cut do we just maintain where we are or do we plan for the future because I'm just chuckling you say spend the cash if we had spent the cash here then all that does is just shift it and mean well that means we don't do the fleet the fleet building is falling apart and if you're if you haven't taken a tour there I want you to think about your person that you love the most working in there and then we have the discussion so we're not gonna win that battle I encourage everybody to be at the budget meetings tomorrow and Friday as we as a council member those you all sinking to be seats we have to juggle these three there is no perfect way to do it but I will end you with this because I'm looking in the budget meeting council I really want to get to what how do we define a want and a need especially now with this new legislation coming through I would love to talk about that but that's all thank you let's call a question mayor call a question yes please all right is there a second to the call question we have a motion in the second for a call question uh madam uh city clerk call the roll on the call question uh for approval madam city clerk please call the roll gunter hi caduc no kilrain hi lastra no five eyes three nays motion carried okay we have a motion in a second on the floor for ordinance 27-26 for approval madam city clerk please call the roll lehman hi long i'm sorry no long no steinke hi donnell hi gunter hi caduc no kilrain all right lastra no five eyes three nays motion carried okay we'll move on to resolution 106 we need to correct the record crystal are we taking out four different bonds four different bonds with this particular ordinance it's a series of it's special obligation bonds series 2026 which means it's a series of this is one grouping i'm sorry it's one grouping because councilmember steinke is saying that each individual and this is actually just the collateral that we're using for the bond correct the collateral is non-advalorum revenue what we're going to do each but i have one question before we continue to move on mr city attorney when we call a question i think that is to cease all discussion on that topic and then see if that is approved and then if that is approved then we go straight to the motion like we did but here we find ourselves back in a discussion to correct the record so to answer your question so calling the question is essentially ending the debate regarding the original motion and then forces if it's past forces the the original motion to be voted upon which it was voted upon whether or not you continue on that's something that you as the individual running the meeting has the ability to control under the rules point of order okay all right continue i just want them to correct the record so that there was no you know cloudiness in this because i don't think councilmember steinke was understanding correctly how the bonds worked i understand how power works i sell loans all day every day why don't we ask him if he understood yeah well i want her to i want her to specify i absolutely understand 16 years as a certified financial planner i was involved in investments all the time i understand how municipal bonds work we simply have revenues coming from different directions that will that will pay the bonds so so that's where the revenues are coming from unless you're disputing the validity of slide number five no that's the only thing that we need that's the only thing that we need to uh correct then because you said you're never going to use coral oak so you don't want to have to pay for it and that's what needs to be corrected you're not going to pay for it she says in the later slide that this is the future debt payments are built in to our budget and we're going into a budget workshop is that correct the sources of revenue were listed on slide five those are the sources of revenue that we will use as part of the budget process to budget the debt annual debt service thank you all right let's move on to resolution 106-26 uh this item uh is that the correct one madam mayor can i clarify something i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm mr city attorney don't we have to have a two-thirds vote when we call the question am i remembering that correctly from robert rules of order it does require a two-thirds vote so we would have needed six correct needed six and we had how many do we have how many we have five and what was that for the point of order for the i mean for the for the question you have to have a two-thirds majority vote in order to have it pass because we have uh we have eight council members it's technically 5.33 which is really six all right so with that being said then we should open up the discussion anybody else have any other comments i mean can we do that since we already technically voted on the actual motion i mean we voted on that and then we voted to for the for the actual item well you could ultimately continue the debate but at the end of the day the final motion is still going to be your five three i understand well then i guess there's no better you could do theoretically yep theoretically you could do a motion for reconsideration of somebody could but the end as as again at the end of the day it's going to be a five three vote is what it sounds like okay which is just a simple majority okay um let's talk about it all right is that all counts yeah i just wanted to clarify make sure i remember that correctly yeah so i guess let's talk about it um so 58.2 and 500 000. do we have a financial advisor i know the answer to this question that would tell us that the market is volatile and we shouldn't go out to it right now yes so why again 65 million because we wouldn't go out to the market if it was gonna be really volatile so i don't get that it's a not to exceed that's fair i understand it's not doing a great job but it's it really shouldn't be 65 million but five people will agree with that so we're here anything else council member could do any other comments on this particular topic seeing then we'll move to resolution 106-26 this item was continued from the May 20th 2026 meeting madam city clerk please read the title resolution 106-26 a resolution of the mayor and city council of the city of Cape Coral Florida authorizing the issuance of not exceeding 65 million dollars in aggregate principal amount of city of Cape Coral Florida special obligation revenue bonds series 2026 in order to finance and refinance the acquisition construction and equipping of various capital improvements within the city covenanting and covenanting to budget and appropriate certain legally available non ad valorem revenues to pay debt service on the bonds providing for the rights of the holders of bonds issued here under making certain other covenants and agreements in connection with the bonds issued here under delegating certain authority to the city manager and the financial services director for the authorization execution and delivery of a bond bond purchase agreement with respect thereto and the approval of the terms and details of such bonds appointing the paying agent and registrar for said bonds authorizing the distribution of a preliminary official statement and the execution and delivery of an official statement with respect to such bonds authorizing the execution and delivery of a continuing disclosure certificate with respect to the bonds and the appointment of a dissemination agent thereto delegating authority to the city manager and the financial services director to determine whether to utilize municipal bond insurance for the series 2026 bonds and providing for an effective date for this resolution Thank you Mr. City Attorney would you please provide our review of the proposed any proposed changes and why we find ourselves here today Thank you mayor as I articulated during ordinance 27-26 which is authorized or required pursuant to the city's charter for these type of matters the resolution is the companion resolution 106-26 was also continued from the regular council meeting two weeks ago to the committee of the whole and therefore as part of the action I was taken two weeks ago at the regular council meeting it is presented here today for final public hearing okay thank you we'll turn it over to staff thank you for this particular resolution it is a companion to ordinance 2726 which was just approved and it implements the financing authorized by that ordinance by creating structuring and securing up to 65 million in special obligation revenue bonds it also reaffirms that debt service will be paid using legally available non ad valorem revenues revenues revenue to provide you with an illustration i mentioned this during the last presentation back in march we ran the numbers we had our financial advisor run the numbers based on the market at that time and based on that market we estimate a total debt proceeds of approximately 58.5 million within that the estimated par amount is approximately 54.2 with the remaining portion coming from premiums based on the current market conditions the all in true interest cost is 4.33 and the final maturity of the bonds is projected to be march 1st 2056 and we align the payment the repayment of the debt with useful life of the projects being funded so a portion related to jc park and north one west transportation improvements will be amortized over 20 years and the portion related to the area the irrigation and the seawall improvements will be amortized over 30 years and again this is our preliminary and estimates just for illustration purposes we won't have final interest rates and pricing until we enter the market thank you thank you thank you okay thank you i'll now open up public hearing anyone wishing to speak on ordinance 20 i'm sorry i'm on the wrong page here we're on 106-26 i'll open up the uh public hearing for resolution 106-26 please come forward hi uh tom shadrack again uh just a question the title of that was a water and sewer bond is that was that title appropriate for But it says at the very top, water and sewer. It does and that is inaccurate? It is mistitled. It's Special Obligation Revenue Box. All right, thanks. And secondly, I remember having the water rate discussion. When you guys, you were looking at even increasing our, in 2027 to another 11 percent on our water rates. But you decided to go with commercial paper instead of bonds because it was cheaper. And you were able to keep that rate in your mind at 5 percent instead of going to 11 percent increase. Why would you do a bond now when this is already under commercial paper that's cheaper, when you made that decision on our water bill bonds? Is commercial paper cheaper? And over the next couple of years, it's cheaper than using a bond right now. As it was said, it's more expensive and it fluctuating. Why not just keep the commercial paper for a while? You did it for the water. Thanks. Me again. Julia Tari. Okay. So tonight you're asking us to consider 65 million in additional debt backed by non-advalerum taxes, revenues. Excuse me. 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And that government that work with me, covered up. Does lie. All the time. With my Airbnb. When anybody make any law and put any fee, that law is effective. It's true if the people pay the fee. If I don't pay the fee, my Airbnb was not in the right line. For that reason, I claim to you how I pay my fee in my Airbnb registration. You cannot show me how was my payment. Only three minutes. Julia Atari and Ann Marie Spielmacher. Look at this. I wrote it down. Be surprised. Julia Atari. For four years, I've been standing here. Four years now. It's so crazy. So while the city continues to ask taxpayers to support additional borrowing and long-term financial commitments, residents deserve answers before more debt is approved. I want to acknowledge that Cape Coral has secured outside funding, including approximately $25 million for the North One utilities expansion and approximately $6.5 million for the reclaimed water infrastructure. Those accomplishments should be recognized. However, taxpayers also fund and employ grant staff, pay for consultants, and retain two lobbyists, one focused on state funding and one focused on federal funding. Their responsibility is to identify and secure outside funding opportunities for our city. With all of those resources in place, taxpayers deserve to know exactly what opportunities were being pursued and what were not, and what were the results that were achieved. Across Florida, communities and utility authorities have secured substantial financial infrastructure financing. Wilton Manor, approximately $21 million. Fort Miami Beach, approximately $44 million. Fort Lauderdale, approximately $120 million. Florida Keys Aqueduct Authority, approximately $147 million. Polk Regional Water Cooperation, more than $300 million. Cape Coral has one of the largest utility expansions and the largest infrastructure program in Florida. So it is reasonable for taxpayers to ask, did Cape Coral pursue the same opportunities? Were applications submitted? Were they denied? Or were some opportunities never pursued? How much taxpayer spendings on grants, staff, consultants, and lobbyist contracts are we paying? What funding opportunities were identified? Which opportunities were pursued? And which opportunities were not pursued? That's my question today. The responsibility of significant tax reform in Florida and growing concerns about future local government revenues, these are questions that should have been answered a long time ago. Before asking residents to support additional borrowing, the city should provide complete public accounting of every major funding opportunity available, every opportunity pursued, and every opportunity not pursued, and the reason behind those decisions. At a time when residents are facing rising insurance costs, increasing utility bills, continued financial pressure, tax proof... Thank you. Okay. Every available... Dollar. Thank you. And that's based on the insurance. Thank you. Please cut the mic off. Ann Marie Spielmaker. You're done. Thank you. Thank you. Ann Marie Spielmaker. And Tom Shadrach. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Ann Marie Spielmaker. I've been a resident and taxpayer for, I think, 37 or more years. I appreciate having this opportunity to speak. This is the third time I'm coming to implore you to put a basic lap pool with the area for general swim to be located at the previous Cape Coral Country Club on Palm Tree Boulevard. And I guess you could use a fraction of the $40 million unrestricted reserve that I learned about tonight. This property has sat vacant for over 10 years, and Cape Coral residents have not had a public swimming pool for over four years. And the city doesn't have a plan to have a pool completed until 2028-29. And that is one more of a resort-style pool with the lazy river. My rationale for this is this leaves us as the largest city in the surrounding area without a public pool. It's going to be over eight years. Children have no place to learn how to swim. And I believe the state of Florida just made a mandate about teaching safety, water safety. Seniors have no place to exercise. Families have to go out of town to find a public pool. I know I myself, I drive five days a week over the bridge and have a membership at a pool in Fort Myers, and have done that for four years. I'm not sure whether, oh, as much as we appreciate the food and beverage marinas and green spaces, and I do, this used to be considered the coma. So I love everything that you're doing. Yet, it should not take priority over the need for a basic public pool. It doesn't have to be anything fancy. My solution is to, at least in the interim, until you can use that money maybe from the reserve, is Cape Coral High School has a pool that I believe the city owns. And I think that you could make that available for the kids in the summer. Everybody doesn't have a swimming pool. And I mean no disrespect by this because I have been here, I don't know how long you've been here, but I'm a part of this community, and I'm not sure whether we should be embarrassed or ashamed by this position. No public pool. Thank you very much, and everybody have a safe evening. Thank you. Hi, Tom Shadrack. Sorry, Kill Rain leaving. I got to read your letter, Mr. Mayor, to the Southwest legislators about the homestead exemption going up to $250,000. I think it was overwhelmingly approved yesterday. So it's interesting that it'll go on the ballot for us voters to decide. And in your letter, you had a couple interesting statistics. One, I kind of will reverse on you, that it's, you've estimated that it's going to be $46.6 million in tax savings to homesteaded people. $46.6 million in tax payers here just in Cape Coral next year and every year. That's what they're going to be voting on in November, savings. The other thing statistically, in your letter, you show that Cape Coral has actually received $64 million more in tax revenue from ad valorem taxes since 2020. It was $100 million back in 2020. And now we're spending $164 million. So it's actually, you've increased our taxes and spending it at $64 million.4 a year more as of now. So that is a lot of money. And I have been sending you guys emails. Remember Tom Hayden coined them, Tshad tidbits. So you've been getting them for four years. I think I added them up today. There's over 100 emails sent about how we could save taxes and how we could do better. And if there is $46.6 million that we can find savings in our budget, I think we can do that. There is some fluff in here and there are some hard things we could do. But we can do it without raising the millage rate. We can do it without raising assessments. And we can do it without cutting people. That's a pledge I could make if I help you and I've given you those 100 emails. The data is in there. But glad to talk to you more about it. And I know we can do it. And it's hard. But it's easy in that sense for me to do because I've already been talking about it for five years on how we could reduce costs and make our government more efficient. And it's all about common sense. Thank you. Your Honor, I'm going to call these names just one more time to make sure I didn't miss somebody. We have Andy Miller. John Mealy. Marie Kavanaugh. And David Scott. Yep. That's the end of the comment cards. Okay. Did she put in a comment card? Did you put in a comment card? No, I did not. And the rules are with the comment cards? I did not. Just make sure you fill out a card. No problem. After you get done. Will do. Lisa Cohen-Adkinson, Southwest Cape Coral. 44% of the residents in Cape Coral are homesteaded. You had stated a couple days ago that we collect somewhere around $160 million in property taxes. And that includes the non-advalorums. With 44% of the properties being homesteaded, that would leave you with about a $90 million budget to work within. Which means that you need to learn how to live within your means. That's what it means. Tonight, what I saw were more non-advalorums that got added. That's what I saw tonight. Something that the homestead protection does not protect these homeowners from. This has to stop. It is absolute insanity. You need to get your spending under control. I hear the way people speak to the citizens, and it is disgusting to tell people you're not speaking to them. The way you just turn your back to them. You should be ashamed of yourself. The citizens need to be held in a regard higher than the government at all times. Do not speak down to them. You need to stay out of the homeowners' pockets. I want to say thank you to Rachel, to Keith, and to Jennifer tonight. All three of you stood up for the people today, and I'm just very grateful for that. Unfortunately, the rest of you are setting up a city for failure. and you're talking about $50,000,000. You guys think that just money grows on trees. I mean but then I think about a 1600 square foot building for bathrooms and you're talking about four million. If I gouge the public it'd be 500,000. How you come up with your numbers is, I can't even get my head around it. You guys don't care about the people at all. You guys don't care about the people at all. I mean like where is this money going? Like tonight $65,000,000 for $58,000,000? Where's the other seven going? What is this? This makes no sense. I mean it certainly makes a whole lot of dollars though, don't it? You guys need to get with the program. I can't wait to see a whole new council in a couple of months. You guys have a great night. I do pray the blood of Jesus over this council because you all got real problems. Have a great night. All right. That's the last of our speakers. And I will open up for any council discussion. Council member to do. Thank you, Mayor. And just to address the last speaker, I agree with you. However, it's a not to exceed $65,000,000. So they can't go over that. They're really only going out to the market for whatever it should cost. But the reason why I was debating it so strongly was because I didn't think that the cap should be $65,000,000. It should have been less than that. And quite frankly, I didn't agree with us spending or going out to bonds and debt for that. We should have just spent the cash. But I really pushed my light because I wanted to ask the city manager, the one speaker she left regarding the public schools and using their pools. Have we ever reached out to the school board or school district on that? We have a swim club that uses the pool at Cape High. Like not a swim club, but like if we had people that were trying to learn swimming lessons that happens at Cape High. I don't know what programs they offer that you have to have special permission to go inside a school boundary after hours. You have to have an agreement. So I'm pretty sure they have. You can't. You can't. They don't just like we like for our even though they're not really our program, the Cape Juniors, they practice at Calusa. We have an agreement through them with parks to utilize that off hours. So it can be done. You just need to have an agreement. You need to have an organization that wants to do that. And then it's up to the I believe it's up to the principal of whether or not. So it'd be something that somebody would have to ask the principal would be willing to open this up to after. After hours. And do a porch. After hours. So I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. 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May 21st, Southwest Florida, League of Cities. May 21st, the charter school graduation. On the 22nd, Brotherhood of Heroes. I had a veterans ceremony there hosted by Carol Colton and Jason Jones was there for the breakfast for the veterans. On the 22nd, Dave Newton was on the talk radio and did a good accounting of himself there. On the 23rd, I went to the Planning of Flags at Coral Ridge. The 25th, the Coral Ridge Memorial Day. And also the Brotherhood of Heroes Memorial Day and the Nimitz anniversary. On the 26th, I went to the Republican Club for a few things there at the Brotherhood of Heroes on Memorial Day. On the 27th, I went to the -- I'm sorry -- on the 28th, I went to the CHNEP discussion. One thing that was interesting in that meeting was from a water and aquifer standpoint, there was a state person there that really had a good grasp of everything. They have a website to go on. And it just further advances what we're doing and reinforces what we're doing on RO plant and the method in which we produce water here. On the 29th, I just had a discussion on pension review, which I'll report on in the Cal. And on the 29th -- no, I guess the 30th, I went to the Hurricane Expo. And that's about it in there. I had my town hall on the 1st and it went extremely well. Again, I just want to mention I want to thank the DSD people for very good presentations there, which were very well received. That's it. Thank you. Council Member Laster. No report, sir. Council Member Lehmann. No report. Council Member Long. No report. Council Member Stonkey. No report. Council Member Donnell. I just wanted to say out there that school is over. Woo! But I just wanted to say specifically to all teachers, but it's definitely to our Cape Coral teachers. I want to say a heartfelt thank you. All teaching out there, teaching has changed. You see I don't really react here because things going on and it's tough. This job is tough as a council member. But I tell you, teaching is just different now. So teachers, thank you for all that you do. Just know that we understand everything you're going through and we appreciate what you do. Now you take this next couple of months, do something for yourself and for your family. But you know, before you know it, we'll be back in it. That's all. Thank you. Okay, for me real quickly, just two quick things. One, I attended a kickoff called Stuff the Bus the other day and it's Bantam Builders had put this event on and had a lot of community partners. Basically, thanks to the Oasis High School for providing a bus between now and June 19th. They'll be taking donations for school supplies for all the kids throughout Cape Coral. So if you get a chance, they're down on, they're down on Beach Parkway West between Aqualinda and Cape Coral Parkway. You can't miss the big yellow bus down there. So if you have time, stop by, drop off some school supplies for, to help the kids in the community. So I think it's a great event. It will be there till June 19th. The other thing I wanted to ask council, what I'd like to try to do is get a second to take a look at the memorandum that we discussed regarding the building industry and the biop committee. I'll give you a second, man. Basically, what I want to do is I think it could be tweaked a little bit and better serve the community as a whole, bring that back to council. So we can have a discussion on that. I'm happy to be a second. All right. And that's all I have, Mr. City Attorney. Nothing for me, man. All right. Mr. City Manager. No report. All right. Time and place of future meeting. Tomorrow we have a budget workshop, Cape Coral City Council, with Cape Coral City Council scheduled for Thursday and Friday at this point in time, which is June 4th and June 5th, beginning at 9:00 a.m. here in council chambers. Also, we have a regular meeting in the Cape Coral City Council scheduled for Wednesday, July 15th, 2026, beginning at 4:00 p.m. in council chambers. After our budget meetings, council will be on hiatus. Hi this with that, I will entertain a motion to adjourn some after your second all in favor say aye aye any opposed Motion carries and we are adjourned

Good morning. Welcome to the committee of the whole meeting of the Cape Coral City Council. Today is May 27, 2026. This meeting now comes to order. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Mayor Gunter. Here. Council Members. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. All present. Thank you. Item 4 is business for ay is discussion, first of which is the Yacht Club phasing approach presentation. I'll turn to Mr. City Manager. Thank you, Mayor. Good morning, Council. Several weeks ago, City Council asked administration to go back to the table and look at a possible phasing plan. So we had to coordinate our architects for the structures, the engineering firm that is helping us design the site and our construction manager firm, along with our public work staff overseeing the project. We did have that meeting. It was a good meeting. What we we looked at from a phasing plan was what contractual obligations we have regarding the boathouse. We looked at what items were conditioned precedents to other items in the phasing. So what you're going to see today is is not a phasing plan based on what we feel are the amenities the community wants . They're not is not a phasing plan based on geographic area in the site. What it is is a phasing plan based on the order in which we need to deliver the items moving forward based on contract ual obligations. And then what is required in order for any later phase to be successful. So I just wanted to give you that background. And with that, I will turn it over to staff and our consultant to give the presentation. Good morning, Mayor City Council, John Osterstock, Facility Projects Manager. I'm here to present our phasing plan for the Yacht Club. The first thing I want to do is just kind of, you know, look at the site plan overall to give a sense of what we're going to need to get this site functional. You know, as you can see, the marina, it needs to be supported by utilities and civil improvements. I'm going to put up another plan page here, which shows you the utility plan for this site. And the important takeaway here that I want to make is that in order for this marina to be, again, functional, we have to provide the life safety components, which is, you know, fire, water, and that sort of thing, the electricity, and then the other items that need to support the docks. So in order to get these docks in, we need to have, at minimal, the utilities run around that basin. And, you know, as you can see on that diagram, by the time you do that, you're basically at around 75% of the utilities in the site going in. So it really makes sense at that point then to continue, you know, around the boathouse, support the new fuel tank area that we're going to be installing, and finish those utilities up to the new beach restroom and that area along the shoreline there. So here's a cost breakdown of the phasing plan in the order that, you know, it needs to happen. Obviously, you need to get the underground items completed first before you can start doing any of the above-ground work. So, and that's kind of why I wanted to talk about that utility plan first. We do have, you know, obviously obligations to get this fuel system up and functional so that the boathouse can start selling fuel and then, you know, thus provide us some revenue. And then a part of that phase would be the civil work and utilities I just mentioned, as well as some beach amenities. And what would that allow is for, you know, our beach to have, you know, the new sidewalks and a playground and really upgrade that area so that the community can continue to enjoy that part while we, you know, determine the best path forward on the rest of the site. So after that phase two work, we're suggesting to have the new floating and fixed docks put into the marina. Again, that would get us one step closer to getting this thing functional and then providing some additional revenue to the city. Phase four, you can see, is the harbor master building, which again makes sense to get the marina fully functional and managed. And then as we work down into phase five, six, and seven, you can see the next phase five would be the beach restroom , which would allow us to get rid of the, you know, the trailer that we're currently using out there. And then the next item would be the maintenance building, which again, necessary to operate and maintain the site down there. The next item is phase seven parking garage, phase eight community center, phase nine would be the pool and the lifeguard concession pump building. And obviously those are trailing on the end because those have a little bit of the, an unknown to them. You know, there's some other possibilities that may come up as we progress through a potential P3s and those types of options. And that's why you'll see those kind of towards the ends of this phasing. So the recommendation for us is, again, to try to do that phase two, which we're calling phase two because, you know, phase one is the seawall work that we're currently constructing. So completing those items one and two right now we have estimated at around $38 million. Morning, Mayor, members of the council. For the record, James Pankinen with Kimley Horn and Associ ates. To follow up on what John discussed with the phasing, I've got some representations of what each of those phases would look like during construction. Of course, this is the existing conditions as you see today post a lot of the demolition that occurred after the hurricanes and after the storms. Phase two, as was described, would basically consist of the fuel tanks and the enclosures to support boating activities and the boathouse restaurant, kind of in the upper left corner of the image there. And then all of the site civil work, the underground utilities, as well as the beach amenities, and parking on the far east side there where the boat trailer is and the boat ramp. The spaces that you see in the middle there, the white, those could be used for temporary parking, as well as for construction staging during the rest of the events. For phase three, that would consist of the new floating dock and the fixed, the new floating docks and the fixed marina elements to build out the rest of the marina. So from the seawall on the very far north, northern side, all the way down to the boathouse restaurant and the day docks and then the marina elements in the core there. Phase four would be the harbor master building. Again, that would support the marina activities. That's got your ship store, laundry, restrooms, as well as emergency services that would be housed out of that building. Phase five would be the beach restroom up along the beach there. If you remember, that was designed to serve both beach as well as future pool activities. So that design would remain as it is today. And then once the pool comes online or other activities come online, you would have those restrooms available on the inside of the site there as well. Phase six would be the maintenance building, as well as associated parking and kind of service area on the western part of the site. And then phase seven would be the parking garage, including the chiller, the boiler, the generator, and some of the infrastructure associated with that. And then phase eight would be the community center. And phase nine then would be the resort-style pool, and then also the concession, lifeguard, and pump building to support those pool activities. Phase 10, we've identified this, if you recall, in the master plan as a future restaurant opportunity. So we're just saying that that could be potential future development that would be kind of to be determined based on budget and timing and whatever P3 opportunities or other opportunities might come associated with that site. So that gives you, again, a representation of the site once it's built out, once all the phases are complete, and then some additional images there just showing the entire buildout. So that we've, we'll open it up to questions or any other discussion that you have. Thank you. I'll open it up to council for any comments or questions. Councilmember Kilring. Yeah, basically, I guess what I see here as a rational approach on this would be to take care of those things that support the vote. House, of course, your phase, I don't know if you're calling it phase one or phase two, but really that's the 38 million in spending. And then if you look at the next grouping of things, if you looked at three, four, five, and six, that would be another 25 million. That gets you through the marina and the harbormaster building. And I'm sorry, through the, yeah, through the harbormaster building. So I could see that as a logical approach. Then again, we're concerned about the debt loading overall, so this has to be blended in with that. We're almost obligated on the 38 million in order to support the boathouse for the revenue generation there. So that's pretty much a done deal. After that, then I would then walk those other groups, I think, and that makes sense. And then I think we'd be open to a P3, you know. Let's go on and solicit a P3 again for some of the other pieces and see what that brings in. So that would be my approach on it. So thank you, Mayor. Council Member Steinke. Thank you, Mayor. In a perfect world, we'd have a P3 come to us and say, oh, I'll take all these nine phases. That'd be great. And who knows, we may get that. In the meantime, as we look at this, I think we sell ourselves short if we stop it at one and two. And the reason why I think we sell ourselves, there's a couple reasons why I think we sell ourselves short in doing that. The docks and the marina itself, other than the revenue that we receive from the boathouse, the marina becomes our income opportunity to pay for this. If we have to pay for it ourselves, if we don't, if we're not blessed with a P3 that comes and says, hey, we'll do it all, then we do have to pay for it ourselves. While there certainly has been a public comment that we, and you always wonder who we defines, but we don't want, we don't need any of this. Well, there's also an outcry that says, we do need this. Where's the pool? We want some place for our kids to have swimming lessons. So initially, when the knockout punch was given by Ian, there was a tremendous outcry for we need it back, we need it back, we need it back. So I still believe we need it back. But initially, it is the yacht club. It was designed to accommodate the boating public that we have and the people that wanted recreational facilities when our city first started. So when we look at item three and four, that 19 million is initially the only thing that will generate revenue for us to either pay for the debt or to replace the reserves. So, and a final thing that going through number four will accommodate is when we talk about the harbormaster building , you know, we, it's kind of brushed over that that harborm aster building will accommodate emergency services. Well, that, that's not something we should brush over. Our law enforcement, our CCPD, having the canal systems that we have, having the riverfront that we have, we need to patrol that riverfront. And they're already busting at the seams as far as facilities to conduct their operations from. That harbormaster building will be the place where law enforcement operates from for marine units. And for our, for our fire and for, you know, aquatic EMS needs, that's where they're going to house themselves. And so for us not to make use of this facility to house that law enforcement fire and EMS requirements for our aquatic environment in the Cape, I think is a miss. And so to have the income, uh, potential, the income opportunity and the facility to accommodate managing that, that income facility and, uh, and run our EMS out of there, I think is a miss. Um, so, um, absolutely. I believe we need to, to fund phase two, but, um, I am heavily in favor of carrying that through item number four, uh, to provide the income opportunity that's afforded, uh, by this facility. Um, that's, that's it. Thank you, mayor. Uh, council member. Kadoot. Thank you, mayor. We recently had our strategic planning session and everyone got to put stickies on the board. We had a second hospital, but no one put the yacht club on that board. A yacht is a private luxury hobby. The government building a yacht club is an oxymoron. We should not be building a yacht club. We can do the beach, the marina, the boathouse and parking. It's been offline for four years now. No one is asking for this. And to council member Stanky's point. Yeah, we do need a pool where our kids can have swimming lessons, but it's not a resort style pool. I would like to know what happens to number two, if six through 10 are eliminated. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, we, we, we strategically phase these in an order so that anything that was built, uh, preceding it wouldn't affect anything, uh, down the line. So, you know, we could potentially, um, you know, stop at six and not do the parking garage, community center, the resort style pool and, and, and determine what the best path forward is. Um, again, these were, were set out in this order so that, um, they made the most sense as we constructed our way to developing this site. Thank you. A parking garage at $38 million is completely unnecessary. We see in downtown Fort Myers where they use, or even San ibel app parking. That's all we need app style parking with paved parking right on the side of the road. This project is way out of scope. I mean, I, I can't even believe that we're here at $164 million remaining to build it. We should have put it on the ballot for our voters to decide. And all of us, like I said, we're in a strategic planning session. The yacht club was never brought up. So clearly it's not a need. It's a want. And I will get on board with one, two, and three. Harbor master building. Yes, I understand public safety, but $7 million for the harbor master building when we're not going to build out the rest or how do we pay to build out the rest is really the $164 million question. We talk about bringing commercial tax base online and how do we do that? We hear it's a campaign season. We hear that we need more commercial tax. This would be a great opportunity for us to put the for sale sign up for the yacht club. We can keep a deed restricted with the beach, marina, boath ouse, and parking. And the rest of it, we could bring the commercial tax base online. It could be a huge Tarpon point or Cape Harbor. It could be something spectacular that we're not paying for . We have two options. We pay to build it and we pay to use it. Or we put the for sale sign up. We bring the commercial tax base back online. And now we're generating revenue for the city. Someone else pays to build it and we pay to use it. That's the most logical thing that we should be doing. Thank you. Any other comments or questions? One question I have before I make any comments, Mr. City Manager, is the funding. What's your recommendation on the funding? How do we can pick whatever one of these items that we want ? That's the easy part. The hard part is determining how we're going to pay for it. So I'd like to hear a little more. And I know we're going to have some other in-depth discussions today on funding and debt. But I'd like to hear, you know, what staff's recommendation is. Yeah. So if you were to have looked at the third presentation that we have, which is the special obligation revenue bonds, we have a recommendation in there. More particularly. Slide 12. So what we are recommending is that we have the undesign ated fund balance of 29.9. We also have the sale of the Seven Islands proceeds that went back to the general fund of 40, basically 10 and a half. You add those together, we're at 40.5. We, our recommendation on where to use that cash is to buy down the general funds portion of the fleet facility. And the reason for that, coming out of strategic plan, the number one priority that city council gave staff was to make sure that we had financial sustainability and make fiscally sound decisions. By utilizing that undesignated fund balance for the fleet facility, that is not generating any revenue. And so what we do is we remove any debt burden from the general fund itself so that we don't have any additional stress or debt burden on the general fund for that. So it accomplishes the goal of protecting the general fund and relieving the debt burden. Then we look to apply the balance of that cash to the yacht clubs phases one and two. Now you'll see that leaves a balance of 18.8 million. And in the presentation that we have, you also, if you look at that, that $21.3 million debt component that was attributable to the fleet facility was, will you back up to the table? I think it's like slide 10. It's like the funding proportional allocation. So right in the middle of that table, you'll see general fund. And you look to the far right, which is the amount that it was going through. That's that $21 million. If we were to debt fund that $21 million, it would be about a $1.3 million annual debt service payment. So keep that in mind. $21 million, $1.3 million annual debt service payment. So let's go back, John, to the previous slide, 12. So if you look at applying the cash to the balance of the phase, phase two, we are left with basically an $18 million debt service that we need to cover. And if you recall from the previous slide, $21 million was $1.3 million. So here you're looking about a $1.1 million debt service payment. Now, if you remember from the boathouse prior to its disaster emergency, we were getting about $500,000 annually from that venture with the boathouse. So if we have a $1.1 million annual debt service on an $18 million payment, that's going to cover just about 45% of the annual debt service payment. If we're able to, as Councilwoman Kaduke pointed out, or Councilmember Stanky, or I know several of you, you know, we put out an RFI. If we're able to secure another venture with another operator, you know, either the marinas or something even more substantial, or something like that, or something like that, or something like that, or something like that, or something like that, or something like that, or something like that, or something like that. So we're going to be able to do that. So we're going to be able to do that. So we're going to be able to do that. So we're going to be able to do that. So we're going to be able to do that. So we're going to be able to do that. So we're going to be able to do that. So we're going to be able to do that. So we're going to be able to do that. So we're going to be able to do that. We have to provide water, sewer, irrigation, parking, storm water, lighting, communications, all the general site. That's our responsibility in the partnership to get 500 or more thousand a year out of that venture. So if we're able to do that, what you see is by applying the cash towards that, the balance, we could essentially alleviate the general fund from any of the debt service requirements for this entire $59 million worth of funding. So that's our recommendation. Thank you. Councilmember Kadoot. Thank you, Mayor. Yes. Mr. City Manager, we have to supply the infrastructure. That is exactly what governments should be doing, not supplying yacht clubs. When's the last time we had an appraisal done on this property? I'm not sure, but we can always order one. I think we should. And also, is there a quote floating out there for the fuel tanks that we could see? John, do you have a quote? Well, and Cape Harbor just did this. So I'd like to see what the difference is of the private sector versus the public sector. We have our construction manager here. Yeah. So we recently solicited several fuel tank suppliers. We have those. We didn't bring them with us today. We didn't know you'd be asking, but we can provide that to staff for you if you'd like. Yeah, that'd be great. And then they can email it to us. Like I said, Cape Harbor just did this. So it would be, I'm very curious to see private sector versus public sector and what the cost difference is. Thank you. Councilmember Laster. Thank you, Mayor. And then we're going to go back to the other slide that shows our list and our priorities. Thank you. So if Mr. City Manager, do you know any like or do you anticipate or do you know, like, do we have a number of our potential reserves like that we might be seeing? Currently in this current budget. Not for this fiscal year. We do know what we have from the sale and what we have from the previous year. We won't know that as we until we get closer to the end of the year when we start looking at what paint once we shut down spending and procurement for our financial policies that allows us to then determine we can close any encumbr ances that are out there POS that we're not going to use. And then we look at any year end payments that we need to make, you know, our financial policies that allows us to then determine we can close any encumbrances that are out there. POS that we're not going to use and then we look at any year end payments that we need to make, you know, on behalf of pensions, on behalf of health care into the into the self-insured fund. So it won't be until we get closer towards the end of the year that we have an idea of what the fund balance, unass igned fund balance might be at the end of the year. But there there there will there should be some we have not had a catastrophe. So there should generally be with some just based on the way our financial policies are set up. Okay, and then in theory, we could utilize some of those funds to to pay down the debt service. Yeah, and an option of of that additional 18 million that we have that we would need to fund. We could once again, you know, we don't forget we're also on our I think this will be our fourth almost final year of building up our budget stabilization reserve, which was a five year plan to get to three months. That is the reason why we're in the position that we're in is that council has has agreed to that has bought into it and we've been funding it regularly. So once we make that payment there, if there's funds left over and we you know, we are on our way to that last and final year. So it could be that we finance that 18 million with commercial paper and then apply any fund balance from this year to further reduce that down and put us even in a stronger position in the general fund. Okay, I mean, I guess for me, you know, I don't have an issue with us doing one, two or three or even one through five because I think as Councilmember Steinke stated, you know, being able to generate some revenue. So while we get this kind of back to the basics, I don't have any issue with that. I think that makes sense. I think that's what we've been talking about. I know back in 2021 2022 priority and we even talked about the phased approach and back then that was that was the approach. It was going to be from the outside in and I would also, you know, to Councilmember Caduce point, you know, when she asked the question. That if we, you know, don't do four through 10, then you would assume that two would not be as extensive. And so, you know, with that said, or do we build that extensive in in either hopes that, you know, we sell the property or in hopes that we get a partner who wants to come in and pay for the whole thing? I mean, we just don't know. That's an unknown. But for me, you know, I love the idea of doing the outside in and being able to have some revenue coming in while we figure out the next steps. I mean, to me, one through three, one through five, those are the basics. That's that gets us doesn't get us close to where we were before because we still won't have a pool or community center, but it'll get us at least to utilize the space some and allow our visitors and our residents to to have, you know, some amenities there, especially once the boat boat house off excuse me opens. So I don't have an issue if we do one through three or one through five. So I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. 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I've been saying all along, put the resort style pool in the community center over at the old golf course, but not a resort style pool, an Olympic sized pool, to then allow for swim team, senior exercise classes, learn to swim classes. I don't see you needing seven, eight, nine. And I don't think we need a $38 million parking garage. I think that's kind of ridiculous. Thank you. All right. I guess I'll jump in here real quick. A couple of things, you know, first and foremost, you know, I think it's our responsibility to provide the infrastructure needed for no matter what the project is going to be down there. And most of the civil site work that needs to be done is, you know, the underground utilities, you know, complete the beach amenities, get the beach completed. So one and two, I surely have no problem with the fuel system. We definitely, because of our contractual agreement with the boathouse, we have to put that in. We don't have a choice. We don't have to put that in. 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We don't have to put that in. We don't have to put that in. We don't have to put that in. We don't have to put that in. We don't have to put that in. So one through six, I agree that we we need to move those projects forward one and two. I think we have to move those projects forward now so we can, you know, get that project started. I agree with the funding mechanism that the city manager had outlined. One of the things that I have a little reservations on is item three through six and I'll tell you why. We already know that we have one RFP that's been submitted. Last week there was a second. I think we have to wait to see exactly what the, I shouldn 't say RFP, unsolicited bid, I'm sorry. So there was an unsolicited bid. We've had, we have two on the pile right now that I think we have to look at. I think it's our responsibility to do the civil site work and the utilities no matter what those unsolicited bids are . So I would rather wait to see exactly what that is. I know staff has started that process of reviewing those b ids. And a cone of silence with those. But Mr. City Manager, when do you feel that you will be able to come back to City Council and brief us to some degree on the proposals and exactly what the scope of work is, whether it's partial of any of these items or in tot ality of all of these items. So I was notified late yesterday by our city attorney that we did receive a second one. I have not seen it. I don't know if even the city attorney has seen it, but we heard one was dropped off. So we had already been reviewing the previous one. Based on the new one coming in, staff will need, you know, at least a month to evaluate that. The financial complexities, the deal terms, do a side-by- side comparison. And then it would be after we come back from hiatus we'd be able to present a recommendation to you. Madam City Clerk, when's our next Committee of the Whole meeting once we get back after hiatus? It is the 29th. July 29th, sir. So, July 29th. Mr. City Manager, do you feel since we are here at the end of May, that's almost 60 days, would that give you ample time to come back with a recommendation, if any? Yes, sir. So, for me, with that being said, and waiting to see exactly what those unsolicited bid details are, I could approve and move forward with items one and two with the funding strategy that you have outlined, and wait on items three through six to see exactly where we are in the in the unsolicited bid process and to see if possibly any of those unsolicited bids could even have outlined items seven through ten. So, I think I would need more information on exactly what the parameters are of the unsolicited bid. You know, as a P3, we all know that's a partnership. We don't know what they're asking of the city, and that could weigh in on how viable these unsolicited bids are. So, for me, I would want to wait until we have that information, hopefully by the end of July, but move forward items one and two with the funding mechanism that you outlined so I could support that. I do believe we need to get those docs in, but before I make that commitment to spend those dollars, I would rather wait to see where we are with the unsolicited bids. So, that's where I'm at with that. Councilmember Steinke. Thank you Mayor. Mr City Manager our Army Corps permit does that include item number three? Does it include item number three or does it just involves? Yes we have the Army Corps permit for the entire Marine improvements. If you remember we only issued a construction contract for the seawall on the boat ramp but the permit does cover the entire scope. That permit I think is a five year permit? Five year permit and so we still have plenty of time to execute the balance. Okay and I just wanted to give my rationale for not including item number five and item number six when I said I believe one through four is a must do. In my in my one-on-ones with staff I was addressing these items and currently right now the the four million dollar investment for the beach restroom which and I and I questioned that it's you know I'm kind of in the in the building business and that's those some pretty expensive bathrooms so to speak kind of it hit me but based on the elevation that they need to be built at and the fact that those that those restrooms were not only going to serve the beach but also going to serve the marina facilities and our and the community center and whatnot the fact that we have a contract right now for the mobile restrooms that we have which takes away the responsibility to maintain those repair those and replace them if damaged it it takes literally decades for that to equate to four million dollars so that's why I didn't include it would it be nice to have our own nice restrooms that are fixed restrooms there yes but from a financial point of view the the regular investment in contracting those restrooms out it takes a long long time to add up to that four million dollars so that's why I didn't include number five and number six while having the building there would certainly be more convenient do we have the capacity right now to maintain that area mobily yes we do but if we were to do number five then I would definitely want to include number six for the for the maintenance component but that was the reason why my focus was only on one through four was in an effort to save as much money as possible the current arrangement we have for the restrooms that we are providing there that will take us a long time to add up to four million dollars so that's that's why I didn't include five and six but I would agree that if if we were gonna if we were gonna go long definitely one through six and I don't know that I'd necessarily hold anything up while while we wait for these the evaluation of these unsolicited bids to come in certainly we can always let them take over if we're gonna approve one of those then we can stop but I we've our citizens have waited for this long enough and for us to continue the thought that if if we were not going to entertain and we're not going to engage with you know with an a p3 arrangement then I would say we shouldn't waste any time on being prepared to go through the number that we would decide that we're going to go through and then certainly relieve those items backwards if you will with the thought that we would turn that over to a p3 relationship thanks councilmember Kilring mayor may I address one of the items that are good with right can I write come up so council members thank you you may know about this but I don't know if the in the rest of the council or community does so being on the TDC Lynn Hall Memorial Park Fort Myers Beach had a six million dollar contract to award to do some park upgrades and build a restroom right is also the contractor for that so I'd like to have them kind of discuss you know how do we get to a four million dollar restroom and is that similar or dissimilar to the same you know or like building at that park as well yeah sure Robbie Powell construction group excuse me yeah so we actually were the awarded bidder for competitively bid Lynn Hall Park for Lee County the restrooms are very similar you guys have to elevate the similar to the same you know or like building at that park as well yeah sure the Robbie Powell for a construction group excuse me yeah so we actually were the awarded bidder for competitively bid Lynn Hall Park for Lee County the restrooms are very similar you guys have to elevate it due to floodplain requirements that's gonna require likely and I don't know exactly but we were building currently 18 inch piles and we're putting in about 50 of them as well as all the removals of the existing you have an elevated floor of about 22 there it's not quite as high here but but when you consider the structure itself has to be built a little bit sturdier to withstand winds and whatnot as well as the elevations and the power to do that that's one of the reasons that you see those elevated costs for a bathroom yeah in an inner city yes it would not cost you for a million but you're you're building a pretty stout structure that has to be elevated for those reasons yeah thank you that's one more kilring yeah my original thought was pretty much as where we're at right now is to take one and two are required I mean we we have we're obligated to do that just to support the boathouse and then grouping of the the three through six I identified them as 25 million at that time and I said that would be the next logical step because that's also revenue generating and I I the only reason I pause is because I I knew that we had that unsolicited bid I'm happy to hear that we had another one and basically I from a construction or engineering standpoint I'm assuming that you guys have gone as far as you're going to do an expenditure of cost on three through six until such time you get told that you're going to be awarded the bid and start construction correct yes so to this point we 've been asked to provide you 60% budgets on the entire park which we've done a while ago which is the numbers you guys have been discussing and looking through if we get an approval to continue to move forward the next steps for us would likely be generating a GMP which would lock in some contractor pricing and we'd be able to provide that to staff for approval okay and so it makes sense just common sense not to do that until such time that we decide whether or not we're going to be looking at another unsolic ited bid to perform that or whether we're going to perform it correct yeah I would so the hesitation now until awaiting until July 29th doesn't affect what you would do unless you 're going to go out and give you the contract right now which we're not prepared to do at this point yes if you requested additional budgeting we 'd be happy to oblige but it does cost money to just continue to give you budgets okay so I'm total support of the stutter step until the 29th we you know gleaning what those p unsolicited bids and maybe we'll get another one and I just want to remind everyone when we're talking about construction there's no less expensive time to build something than today because as we go into the future everything's going to be more expensive we know what's happened to all the building materials both from a polymer standpoint a plastic standpoint and also from a labor standpoint asphalt standpoint all that stuff is not going to stop going up it 's going to be curtailed a little bit from what we experienced over the last few years but there will be no less expensive time to build it than today today. So to the extent that we have the capability from a debt funding standpoint, somewhere along the line we've chosen to do it ourselves or whether we do it with someone else, the more rapid we can make decisions on these and be able to load it in in a reasonable manner is going to save us money in the long run. And I think that that's just a common sense item too that I wanted to make sure that was out in the public, that to the extent that we push things off and we're going to be talking about the operational facility, the fleet facility, to the extent that we can build the right size building for that, it's better to start on that earlier than later. And we're going to save a lot of money in the long run by doing it that way. If you look at what inflation has been doing to materials in over the last few years, the hesitation of waiting to do something, it far over and exceeds anything that we're going to save on doing it in a reduced manner. So thank you, mayor. So I'm on board with where we were. Council member Donnell. Yes, I am. So where I am, I'm eager about this exercise that we're doing today at the council. I'm just trying to catch up as how we're going about it. Because in my head coming here, I know the one thing that we're going to tackle are all of the projects that we have. And I know it's in the presentation, I guess it's three because we are going to prioritize them according to our conversation. And then we have to talk about the funding. The reason I bring that up is because I don't want to say anything. I'll tell you the the phases good approach of the phases. But until we see could someone already mentioned the fleet building and we have yacht which was not your correct correct council member. I'm looking forward to seeing all of that played out because then we get into the funding and then we can talk about phasing all you want to and then the timing based on the funding. So for me, I'm just I'm hitting if we just isolate this out , then it makes sense. But for me, this is just one, just one piece of a larger pie that we're going to be talking about today. And I don't have any comments about how we're going to fund it until we see the entire picture that we talked about at our last council meeting. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone, but I 'm just saying this is just one part of the broader context and I understand it, but I'm not committing. The phases make sense. Two through six are given. But then again, it comes down to funding and timing. That's all. Thank you. Councilmember Long. Thank you, Mayor. Where is the peer in relation to all this? I imagine it's not contemplated in any of these? No, it's not. Correct. Okay. So just for my peers up here, no pun intended. The I mean, that's how we get in trouble, right? We do these things and we talk about, oh, let's get to the basics. And now we're $40 million into it for some sand and underground . We have to open the beach. Nope here. You know, so the next time they come, it'll be the costs are continuing to escal ate before we even get there. Not to mention, these are just numbers on paper. When the real numbers come in, they'll be presented, you know, as a backup slide during the bond discussions as an 80% escalations and then we'll just pass it along and keep moving on. So that's again, to Dr. Donald's point, the phasing, that makes sense. The money in the context of everything else, that's another discussion that we're going to have to have. The other question that I had, you had mentioned in the way that you had approached it, which made sense as far as where you have the restrooms. You had just, you had mentioned, um, the thought process was because it was going to basically service the entire site with the understanding that all these pieces were going to come through. So now with, if, if you know, the, the discussion with the way it's gone, things have minimized, at least in part, to a defined section of phases that don't go beyond, I think seven. Is it possible now in the context of, let's just say that we're not ever going to do seven through 10, that that restroom gets scaled down and then in turn, the cost is reduced. That's a potential. Yeah. Yeah. Just because you had said, obviously that it services everything. Well, if it services everything and everything means another 60 or $80 million in projects that we're not going to do, I'd imagine then therefore the, the idea again , just to kind of bring it full circle is if that's the case , I think it should be above, uh, the Harbor project, the Marina projects. So it can service the beach because again, now we're looking at $30 million into the beach and we're going to the bathroom and trailers, um, which, you know, to me, I'd rather knock the beach out, knock the restrooms out. That's the core part that I think we're all seems like an agreement with getting done first and then kind of maybe wiping our hands and saying, Hey, P3 or what have you for the Harbor cell, whatever. Um, then we're done rather than having it at the tail end of, and then there's a gap in between. Well, we're not going to get bathrooms until we get the Marina and the bathrooms are really for the beach and that 's where they're going to be geographically situated. I would bump those, um, and, and minimize them if that's the case. So as far as the, the, the, the way that it's phased in, that's great. Again, it's a little dangerous to talk about, well, and it makes sense. Um, I guess at a foundational level, Hey, well, you know, we're only paying this much for a trailer, but you know, it would take us years of paying the trailer before we pay off 4 million more. I mean, that could be attributed to anything, right? I mean , if we, if we attributed that to the boathouse, uh, restaurant, we could put a food truck there and it costs a hell of a lot less than, you know, putting the infrastructure in or even the $3 million in tanks. Um, you know, if we just attributed the, the proceeds at 500 K alone, it would take us three years just to pay off the fuel tank investment. Um, if that number is accurate. So it's not as simple as what we're looking at on paper. I know it's impossible to create a presentation that really gets involved in everything, but it's our job up here to dig a little deeper than what we're seeing on paper. Um, to make decisions outside of this box that we know are going to continue to escalate. So those are just a couple of my ideas with regards to the phasing and the funding. Thank you. yep Mr. City Manager can you I know we're in the process of doing the seawall replacement as we speak refresh my memory on the length of time that the contractor has performed that aspect so the contract for that was 600 days and I think sometime in January is when the notice to proceed I believe so yes all right and my next question if you were given a green light for the docks no matter if it's today July 29th or Sunday into the future knowing the timeline for the seawall replacement what would be the earliest time that you feel that the docks could even be started well it's I don't mean to dodge your question but it's hard to answer and I say this because the process we've been running through with city staff is that we would create the GMP we would provide that but then at that point we would work with staff to do a direct purchase to help save you the tax money Bellingham has been the floating dock preferred on this and when we originally talked with them and we're originally going through this some of theirs were anywhere from ten months to a year out as far as delivery so until we get to a point where we know purchase orders can be released it would be very difficult to establish a timeline that we could give you today that says hey we think we could be done in this because it'll all be dependent on that front end release of the purchase order and the submittals okay but as far as construction we're looking at least ten months to a year every bit of that yes sir and even if you start at the same location that you started with the the sea walls and work kind of in parallel that would be the only way that you could move up that construction period on the docks because of course we got to put the sea walls in before we put the docks in yeah and we we would look to every way to expedite it where we can but just off the cuff initially we would want to start by the boathouse because we'd want to get out of their way as quickly as possible and be able to allow them to use those as quickly as possible which may just delay other areas being done so that we're trying to get out of people's way as we're going okay all right that answers that question and the reason that I asked that you know I think we have ample time here to make those decisions because of we have to get the sea walls in place you know we still have a process once we give the green light on the on the docks which I think we have to try to get in there so for me waiting until July 29th I think would help us to make a better informed decision and how to move forward secondly since councilmember long brought up the the pier mr city manager my understanding of course we're going through the army corps process excluded from what's already been approved by the army corps on the yacht club improvements that's a separate permit that still has not been issued by the corps is my understanding but more importantly also with my understanding with hurricane Ian since we're not changing the the layout of the dock we should get a hundred percent reimbursement for the construction of that particular dock once we are once we do have the the design once we have the permit completed with the army corps knowing exactly what we need to do and then come up with the design and then put that out there my understanding we should recoup a hundred percent of that expenditure is that correct yes sir the the piers has never been part of the very early on in the yacht club design because we were talking about two piers if you all remember and how what we were going to do with the piers and then hurricane Ian and then with hurricane Ian we had basically a decision to make do we try to restore the pier using the existing pilings that were there we had a structural engineer and a marine engineer go out and evaluate all the pilings we did an entire presentation to city council based on the cost to repair or replace and financially the best option was to replace and council agreed with that recommendation based on the life cycle how much time we were going to get and the money we were going to put into it so that was the path that we were going down with hurricane Ian peers are at the bottom of the barrel and it's just a fact of life after any natural emergency the army corps gets inundated with permits and they have to triage all of the permits they get and work on them in a fashion from what is life safety critically important bridge failures buildings water features dams then they go to items of lesser importance and ultimately you get to quality of life projects they're last there's it is not a coincidence coincidence that the naples pier the fort myers beach pier the cape coral yacht club pier and the sanibel pier are still waiting to get permits we are all in this together we are all asking the same agency for quality of life permit the core the army corps is triaging all the work that they have in addition that's added on top of their normal workload i want to tell you i want to tell you that councilwoman last year and i had a phone call probably two or three weeks ago with the army corps of engineers and our lobbyists and i asked them and i asked them and i asked them our permits that we have been getting are 24 months it's taking a minimum of 24 months do you see any light at the end of the tunnel and councilwoman last year if i'm wrong you can correct me and they told me absolutely not and i said can you tell me why and they said doge decimated us by 25 percent or more of all senior employees that can move permits quickly so we 're in a training mode and on top of that as people are leaving we are under a hiring freeze so the number of staff they have every day is reducing we asked they said you could expect 30 months two and a half years to three three three years it's just a fact of life i know there's people in the community that thinks we're not doing enough we don't get our lobbyists involved we haven't written letters to our state senators and our congressmen and we've gotten our councils not involved we're all pushing there's no more levers to pull it's a quality of life permit at the bottom of the barrel and they have minimal staff to accomplish the workload they have thank you and the only reason that i mentioned that is mainly for the funding mechanism piece uh you know is you know i don't uh i don't want us moving forward with the big fear that we have this additional large expense that's going to be coming forward uh because of uh it appears that fema will be reimbursed uh us just like the other cities that lost their peers you know uh for the expense unless they modify it then that's a different story but we're not doing any modifications we had a tear up here there we're exactly what we're putting back same size same uh shape uh so we should get reimbursed 100 on that uh council members thank you thank you mayor um while our representative some writer here i just a quick question if we could bring up uh the phase two uh illustration that perfect thank you um you know it'll be it'll be great for us to get to the point where our citizens can launch and and retrieve their boats uh being able to use a ramp in that area again and the facility to park their vessels and their trailers it's awesome i have a concern and i'm hoping you can alleviate it that without doing uh the marine improvements with the with the docks where do where do the people that launch uh and bring their boats in for retrieval where do they dock up as they would be dropping their boats in the water putting their their trailers away and then returning from their day at sea to to get their trailer and bring it down to the ramp yeah so the way that the all of this has been structured in phases have been fairly general if we go to put in the boat ramp what we would likely recommend to staff is that we add some do cks within those areas just for those purposes so that they could get out of the way dock up set up and then head out or come in so they'd have a place to to park if they're waiting to get out it's just in a generalized phasing that hasn't been shown here but we would have to add portions of that into this to accommodate that okay so i just wanted to make sure that we were aware of that and from a from a cost perspective there will be some type of of dockage that's going to need to be required to actually use what we see here for this phase um and and it and it should be adequate we've seen at our other uh boat ramp facilities because of the loss of this of these this utility that with the the pressures that have been put on the others that we have backups at those ramps quite a bit people waiting to launch waiting to retrieve because there's nowhere to put the boats in the water to get on shore to go get your trailer or or vice versa so i'd want to make sure that as we do this it would make proper preparation to use the facility as it's intended to meet the capacity of the of the folks that come and go with their boats there yeah we can look at that with staff and kimley horn also our project manager just pointed out to me which i misspoke the boat ramp is actually being built as part of this phase one it's just unusable because we don't have the docking so when we go to do the rest of it we can get whatever docks need to facilitate that i need to clarify so it'll be usable to the extent that you discussed the extent that you discussed so all of our salt water boat ramps burn store boat ramp horton boat ramp and rosen boat ramp none of them have staging docks for launching and recovering essentially the boat that's in line staged in the water pulls into the ramp cleats off goes gets their trailer and recovers that's how all of our salt water ramps operate so to speed that up and one thing we've talked about with parks and rec and public works is to add some some staging dockage to all to all of those ramps burn store horton and rosen here we've designed it in eventually as part of the docks so that somebody can be in the launch and recover lane and the next person could have their boat tied off go get their trailer and then just move it around there are opportunities we can do to all of our boat ramps and this one is designed ultimately to function that way the other ones we would have to add those docs to thank you anything else no i'm good thank you council member kilran yeah i i just want to reemphasize again the hesitation between now and july and that makes good sense for us because uh basically there's not anything that you're going to do in the next period of time that's necessary to take it to the next step because most of the stuff is going to be done in detail engineering when you go to 60 to 100 percent or or 90 percent and your constructability study is going to kick out any additional things that you might have missed and you will never approach either of those things until you have the contract in hand hand correct correct correct so and it's the construct ability analysis that's going to really kick out the last pieces of what any cost structure might be correct yes okay thank you i just want to emphasize that mayor we're not hurting ourselves by waiting until july uh councilmember laster thank you mayor and just very quickly i want to clarify what the city manager stated regarding our meeting with army corps that meeting was a direct result of my the visit that i did in washington dc with the youth council as i met with our senators offices and our congressmen the two things that i talked about of our city's concern was of course septic to sewer appropriations money from the federal government as well as time that it takes for these army corps permits and at that time our legislators up there thought it would be best that we have a meeting with our lobbyists and staff and myself to hear firsthand the struggles that that they're having um given doge and some of the other issues and i apologize for not um bringing that up uh during the meeting i wasn't i wasn't trying to keep that from you guys um i guess my question mr city manager once you get direction from all of us in terms of do we want to do one two and three do we want to do one do we want to do one through seven once you get that consensus from all of us will we be able to get um actual bids of what these cost because as we stated earlier like with number two assuming let's say we just do one two three and we don't do the rest because we're going to wait and review the potential unsolicited bids that we have um you know that number i'm assuming would go down and we're going to wait and review the potential for the construction manager and the construction manager and the construction manager and rights our construction manager works is they they are essentially an extension of our staff by way of contract so they are our project manager they are procurement they they handle all the invoicing and payments and basically in on-site inspections so that they basically are us by way of contract so what they will do is if we get a direction to move forward uh they will go out to the their slew of contractors who do all these these types of work and they will actually solicit based on the engineered documents that we have bids that they will put out bid specifications to submit get all the bids in evaluate the bids for responsiveness and completeness go through any issues that they see if there's anything missed handle all that ultimately for that work and for them the site management and the in from the payment then what they do is they submit to us a guaranteed maximum price okay that then comes to you all for approval to award the con to award that what we call a change order or contract amendment to their contract to add that scope of work into their contract and then they go off and execute they buy the materials secure that you know get their subcontractors in place for us get all the work scheduled manage the timelines manage the site manage all the inspections and that will so you will when we bring you the gmp okay all of the backup documentation for those quotes and those low bids are contained within that now i i do believe we talked about in our meeting when we came up with this phasing the fuel tanks have a longer lead time similar to what uh was talked about the the uh material earlier on the the floating dock i think it was 10 or 12 months so one of the things that we were talking about uh if the fuel system was uh authorized to move forward was to actually amend that into their existing work authorization that they have now for the seawall so that we could the city could direct purchase the tank immediately in this way we're working through the you know that's on order but as far as the installation and the construction the insurance and all the things needed for that right could still be working on that behind scenes so we have kind of a two-part path the fuel tanks and because of the lead time we think we're going to execute one way and then the the civil site work and utilities will be the traditional you know gmp process that would come back to you all after they have time to bid evaluate those and make sure everything is is complete um as far as the civil site work utilities and beach amenities that you know is kind of there uh council member steinke i mean i understand what you're saying it it i just spoke to right it is a possibility in that civil site work and utilities we could add in that scope of work the launch and recover dock if we can peel just those out of the entire floating and fixed dock and just add that scope to to that one so that that is complete and we can get uh more use through that but i would just like if if you all want to do that let us know if you have a pre-reported facility. 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I hope maybe that's better terminology to use instead of new plans, whatever our new plans are. Has that valuation been determined yet? There are cost estimates. I don't have the number. I can get that for you. There has been an inspection and an estimate of cost. I just don't want to be misquoted. Okay. That would be great information to have. That way we would know what that delta could possibly do. And that's the FEMA inspectors when they come around and do the evaluation. Correct. So that number would come from FEMA. Right. Yeah. So if we could get that information out, I think help us better understand that dollar amount that we may have to put towards that project. Absolutely. Councilmember Cadet. Thank you, Mayor. And I'm glad that we're talking about the pier. So, Mr. City Manager, you said we're all in this together, meaning other cities are waiting on the Army Corps permit for the piers? Yeah. Yeah. All for this Fort Myers Beach, Cape Coral, Naples, Sanibel, all have not started construction. So while I've been sitting here, I did a quick Google search and Naples.gov has their entire timeline listed. September 28th, 2022, Hurricane Ian caused catastrophic damage to the Naples pier. They literally have every single thing down to October 10th , 2025. The city received the final permit approval from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. Groundbreaking engineering. Yeah. So, and by the way, it does say on here that FEMA is posting, and I think that that was fair for Crystal to say, you know, they are posting on their website that it's passed their tests and their pilings. So to say that we're all in it together, I don't know what Naples is doing that we're not doing, but they've already got theirs under construction, and they have an update on their website all the way up to a month ago. They have 59 concrete pilings that were deployed. Like, so we need to look to other municipalities and get on board because they are doing something that we are not doing. I will reach out to the Naples City Manager and find out what they have. This is on Naples.gov/citymanagers page. He's the one that posted it. I mean, it's his page. I'm sure his communications department is holding it, but the entire timeline is there. So we are definitely behind. We are not doing a good job. Could I just clarify something real quick on that? So, to what the city manager said, we all are in that together. We all got in the line together. Naples was first. Fort Myers Beach was second, and we're behind them. So as they've been working through issuing the Naples permit, now they're starting to look at Fort Myers as very close to getting theirs, and we are also getting ours actually looked at in comments and information exchanges going back and forth. So we were all in line together. Naples just happened to be the first. Naples was the first. Yeah. And we had decisions to make about ours, whether or not we were just going to. I think every city has decisions to make about theirs. So, repair and replace and evaluations. I don't know if they went through that, but I'll find out. Yeah, it says that. I'll reach to Naples. More than 30 pylons collapsed. Nearly 50% of the structure is missing. It was no longer usable. So, I mean, yeah, we need to look to other municipalities to see how they're doing it and how they are having a whole timeline of this. And if we plan on doing the pier, it sounds like we do. Why that's not part of the project already. I mean, that's, to me, the beach, the pier, the basics is what we should be working on. That's all. Thank you. All right. I had no other lights on. I think it would probably, since Council Member Donnell has some reservations on how to possibly move forward because of funding, why don't we go through the other presentations ? And at some point, we'll circle back to this presentation, maybe try to give the city manager direction on any of these segments. segments to move forward. Would that be a little more comfort to you, Council Member Donnell? Yeah. Everybody else okay with that? Sure. All right. All right. So we'll do that. We'll get through some of these other presentations. At some point, we'll circle back here to the slide five and , and, you know, and try to give the city manager some direction how to proceed. So with that being said, no other lights on. Why don't we move to item two on the agenda, which is the North Cape government complex fleet maintenance facility. Thank you, Mayor. At the last meeting, Council Member Long had asked to get an update on where we are with the design of the fleet facility. If you recall at the last meeting, we had the construction manager at risk contract as well as the engineering firm that Weston and Sampson to work on the site and some of the building issues. Council Member Long asked to get an update and so we have an update prepared for you today. Good morning, Mayor Council, John Osterstock Facilities Project Manager. Today I want to talk to you a little bit about the fleet maintenance facility that we've been designing. I'm just going to give you kind of a brief overview here. So the city's Fleet Services Division is responsible for maintaining 2,035 vehicles and pieces of equipment that support critical city operations, including police, fire, emergency management, utilities, public works , parks and rec, and other municipal departments. The current fleet service facility was constructed in the 1960s and was originally designed as a storage building for property tour buses, not a modern fleet maintenance operation. So over time, it has been repurposed to support the city's growing fleet, but the building's age, condition, size, and location now significantly limit the city's ability to maintain essential vehicles safely and efficiently. So the current facility limitations are number one, the existing facility is only 19,000 square feet with only 13 service bays, which is insufficient to maintain a fleet exceeding 2,000 assets. As the city has grown, the facility has not kept pace with those operational demands. Our operational constraints currently are that the limited space forces technicians to perform some maintenance outside on the adjacent asphalt, particularly for large equipment such as school buses and fire trucks. So one fire bay has been designated, and it's just a portion of the utilities warehouse that's on loan to the fleet maintenance division. No additional bays are available for vehicles that, you know, kind of get opened up and are waiting for parts before they can get closed up and get back into service. So that creates, you know, backlogs for repair and extended downtime. The limited overhead clearance also restricts servicing a lot of the modern heavy-duty equipment, including, you know , stuff like excavators and, again, ladder trucks, those types of equipment. So that's a lot of the things that we're going to be able to do. So that's a lot of the things that we're going to do. So that's a lot of the things that we're going to do. So that's a lot of the things that we're going to do. So that's a lot of the things that we're going to do. So that's a lot of the things that we're going to do. So that's a lot of the things that we're going to do. So that's a lot of the things that we're going to do. So that's a lot of the things that we're going to do. So that's a lot of the things that we're going to do. 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So here's a little bit of a breakdown of the assets by department. You can see police has 446, fire and emergency management 269, public works 478, utilities 484. And then as you go down, giving you the total of 2035 assets that this fleet maintenance facility is required to maintain. So the current service facility has exceeded its intended lifespan and no longer meets the operational needs of the city. Continued reliance on this aging infrastructure increases maintenance inefficiencies, operational risks, and potential impacts to essential services. An investment in a new fleet service facility will ensure the city can reliably maintain the vehicles and equipment that support public safety, infrastructure, and daily municipal services. So how did we get here? So there was a resolution back in June 1st of 2022, which authorized Weston Sampson to develop a feasibility study and provide options for where this fleet facility could be located within the city. Concurrently with that feasibility study, the city contracted with CST fleet services to evaluate the following: Vehicle utilization, age analysis, and lifecycle for the fleet vehicle and equipment, fleet best practices evaluation, fleet scoring model, fleet right sizing, and cost of service/billing rate modeling. Outcomes of both studies were presented to City Council in June of 2023 with the following options: First, the current needs are 24 maintenance bays. The needs in 2045 would be 30 maintenance bays, and the needs in 2070 would be 40 maintenance bays in a larger facility to accommodate operations build-out. The City Council, by majority consensus, directed staff to design the 2070 larger facility. And that was ratified with Resolution 187 in June of 2023. The Resolution 117 and 24 was approved to design the fleet facility and property management facility, which were at that point going to be utilizing the same site. So here is a rendering of what the new designed fleet facility will look like. To address these challenges and support the City's continued growth, the City has designed a modern fleet facility capable of meeting current and future operational needs. Key features of this new facility are a 60,000-plus square feet multi-purpose maintenance base, 40 service bays, which include 24 light-duty bays and 16 heavy-duty bays, expanded parts storage, and improved workflow efficiency. Modern safety systems, including fire suppression and ventilation, adequate overhead clearance for the heavy equipment. The facility is also located outside of a current flood zone. In addition to those items, a new strategically located fuel site will provide fuel to city forces so that they don 't have to drive back down to, you know, to get fuel down here, you know, 10, 15 miles from where they're potentially working. The importance to public safety and city operations. So fleet services plays a critical role in maintaining vehicles and equipment required to deliver essential city services. A modern facility will, excuse me, a modern facility will ensure police, fire, and emergency response vehicles remain operational and reliable, reduce vehicle downtime and improve service response times, increase efficiency and maintaining more than 2,000 city assets, provide safe working conditions for the city technicians, and protect city investments in vehicles and equipment, as well as support continued population and service growth. So this is the project cost history. Based on the 90% design, the estimated cost for the new fleet service facility is around $50 million. The 60% cost was a little bit less, around $42 million. And, you know, if and when we bring on the construction manager for this project, they will be providing an updated cost estimate, which will provide us a current day estimate. The other thing that we have on here as far as project costs are the design costs, which are just north of $4 million right now, pending in the amendment that was brought forth last week. That amendment, which we can talk about further in detail, includes some design changes, as well as some other efforts that were needed to change the zoning up there to get the correct allowances for us to put certain features up there, like a wall and other zoning requirements. The other item that we had brought forth last week was the C-MAR, the construction manager at risk. And again, that was about $188,000. And they will provide, similar to the right construction at the Yacht Club, they will be the construction managers. They will provide on-site coordination efforts and the quality control, as well as bidding out the project and providing some constructability and cost estimates. These next couple slides are just -- I know they're going to be hard to see, but these are just a breakdown of the 60 % design costs and the 90% design costs. So I think it's important that we kind of look at what other systems are going to be able to do. And what other similarly sized cities are providing for their fleet maintenance facilities. So here's our existing Cape Coral fleet facility. And you can see we have 13 small bays. This is Jacksonville's fleet maintenance complex. And you can just see instantly the size difference. They have 64 large bays and 10 small bays. Orlando fleet maintenance complex. Again, a whole lot larger, 50 large bays, 18 small bays. Now, it is important to recognize that they obviously maintain their own trash trucks and whatnot. So the comparison isn't quite apples to apples, but you get a good idea of what it takes to run a modern-day fleet facility. This one is probably more in line with our city, the Port St. Lucie Fleet Maintenance Complex, which you see has currently 14 large bays and 20 small bays. So again, the proposed fleet service facility will address challenges and support the city's continued growth. The city has designed a modern fleet facility with 40 service bays capable of meeting current and future operational needs. So the recommendation is to engage Charles Perry partners via resolution 7-26 for the construction manager at risk services for the construction of a 40 bay fleet facility to sustain the city's fleet operations for the next several decades. We also recommend approving resolution 122-26 in the amount of $304,937 for additional design permitting and construction related services associated with the design and construction of the fleet facility. And lastly, to approve a financing plan to support the construction of the fleet facility. Any questions? Thank you. Councilmember Kilring. Councilmember Kilring. Yeah, I think that anyone who's been down and taken a look at this facility in recent years would agree that it needs to get replaced. And the fact that it's in a flood zone, I think even adds additional emphasis to that and makes it a must-have. The key element as I see it is it really relates to the life safety element of the city and being able to support those safety vehicles both from a police standpoint and a fire standpoint. And I'm amazed that we haven't had more incidents of accidents with employees down there, the way that they have to rig stuff up to be able to work on it. And they're magicians almost in the way that they're doing stuff. The building in itself, for those who have not seen it, there are a lot of areas in the buildings where there's corrosion, a lot of failing of structural members. So, I mean, it is ready to get replaced. I think it's a lot of things that we're going to do. I think it's a lot of things that we're going to do. 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My only question is that incremental 10 bays I think that you're talking about, how much juice for the squeeze in getting that extra 10? That's where my head is right now. I think all the other costs are going to be where they are in coming in, you know, to get us to that year 2040 element. It's whether we take that extra bite and what price glories for doing that. And what is the relative benefit of doing that as opposed to we needing to do that in the future from a cost standpoint. So that's my question right now. Okay. Yeah, I think it's also important to note that, you know, we have this design is basically complete, and we've designed it for those 40 bays, the 2070 operational needs. I don't know, AJ, did you want to discuss the difference between them? AJ Forbes, fleet manager. Since that study was done in 2022, since then, we've increased 260 vehicles added to the fleet since then. So as the city grows, we keep adding to our fleet. And the fire, they want to add stations. At that time, I believe we were just getting into fire station 12. I can't remember if it was built or not, but they've done 13. They want to do 14, 15, and 16. So it keeps growing. So it's better to build ahead of time and be prepared for what's coming than it is trying to build on later on down the line. So we added, I think, 60 vehicles, including police cars and everything this year. Okay. And matter of fact, the charter school buses, you're doing what, 27 of those right now? Yeah. I believe it's 26. They've added two new ones this year, but they were repl acements. They plan on adding, I believe, one next year. We're not purchasing anymore. They're purchasing them. So I don't know what their plans are. We just maintain them. Mayor, as a result of the life safety part of this, I'd be supportive of moving forward with this as soon as we feel capable within our debt model. Thank you. Councilmember Steinke. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah. I appreciate staff and fleet and fire for giving a great tour of that facility so that we would be better prepared to address this issue. Seeing it with your own two eyes is quite enlightening. And the words that are in this presentation don't come to describe the actual condition of that facility down there right now. Definitely needs to be taken care of. I think a couple important things for me as we consider whether you do this for 2045 or whether you do this for 20 70. Certainly, we've all experienced going out and having road construction being done. And it seems like as soon as they get done, they start again. And I think it's because we don't think far enough down the road. And by the time we get it completed, we're busting at the seams again. And the fleet facility particularly, as our city has grown, the need for larger equipment has grown. When the city was young, the actual vehicles and the assets that fleet is required to maintain and repair, when the city was young, the vehicles were smaller. They had lighter duty to do, especially our fire department today. As buildings are taller, as buildings are deeper, they need different equipment and bigger equipment to do that. So when you consider the lift capacity to be able to maintain those, being able to get down and actually see firsthand what our fleet services department has to encounter in servicing these vehicles and the magnitude of what it takes to do that, the size of the bays that are needed. We don't have bays the size we need right now in the existing facility. So one of the questions I had when we were talking, when I was in my one-on-one meeting with staff between, all right, do you build this for 2045? Do you build this for 2070? One of the things that I was enlightened about is the only thing that would be being geared toward 2070 is the shell. 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And so as our city continues to grow, at least to have the shell available, you know, as far as the mechanics and the lifts themselves and the equipment to store, you know, the utility to store the parts necessary to make it. And so we're going to have to have the space necessary to maintain the fleet. Yeah, we can grow into that. But to have everything under one roof in a structure that's outside of a flood zone and prepared to accommodate the city's needs as it moves down. I don't think that's a bad investment. And to Councilmember Kilrain's point, never cheaper time to do it than now. And so I understand the need for it. I appreciate the tour that was given so we didn't have to just have written word to rely upon. And, you know, in looking into the future, I don't think it 's a bad investment. Thanks, Mayor. Councilmember Donnell. Before I directly comment on this, my members up here, I just had a thought just listening and looking. And I haven't really ascertained where we are as a body because, you know, the three is election season. So will you just follow with me? So as we legislate, are we coming from a matter of what we hear all the time? Cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. That's in my emails all the time. Are we legislating on maintaining or are we legislating on growth? I'm still haven't figured that out just for us as a single body. But it's interesting. We are juggling all three of those pieces. But I can assure you during the election season, it's all about cutting, cutting, cutting. Why do I bring that up? I, for full disclosure, I don't want to, I wasn't trying to be rude, but the first time that I ran for office, I went on a tour. This was back in 2014 when you took me on a tour. And I was embarrassed when I walked in there in 2014. And it was on the agenda then to get this done. But the same conversation we were having about the numbers, I think it was somewhere lower to mid-30s. Now we're growing with more vehicles. And once again, the price keep doing what? It keeps going up and up and up and up. So I, when you think about it, the seats, four people come in, we're supposed to be there. The election, stop it. All right. Four, four years later, here we go again. And the staff just keeps going back like a pendulum. So at some point, and I'm looking forward to that today, this is just another piece to the puzzle, another 50 million. And however it get played out, it gets played out. But I'm looking and I'm excited because I know that as we consider these pieces, this is a, what, a 50.3 million ask for the fleet building? Is that the total ask for the 50 point? What's the total amount of the fleet building as is? That's the current estimate, yeah. Okay. So there's another piece. So we have the, if you just do the six phases, there's 63, then 50.3. So at some point during today, the question that everyone is going to have to wrestle with is, yes, it would be okay if we could just pay it. You know, you have it, you pay it. This is not our home budgets. How much debt are we comfortable with? Because we are going to have to decide if we're going to use debt. And the only way to do any of this where it makes sense is to use debt. So I'll just say that for my own self. So the question would be, what do we comfortable with the body and how are we coming to that determination? But that building should have been done 10 years ago. And I was just embarrassed that because I was part of that council. I thought it was going forward. But again, we have to figure out how do we fund it and the timing of it. But that timing for that building was 10 years ago. So thank you. That's all. Council member Lassner. Thank you, mayor. Yes, that building has been in bad shape for many years, many, many years. And a whippersnapper said to me, well, what if we have flying cars by, by 2070? And that same whippersnapper also said I'd be dead by then. Thank you. And so, so my question, I guess, is to Mr. City of the city , the city of the city, Mr. City manager, if we did build this, which we, it looks like we are to 2070 and I would be 100 years old by then. We would grow into those bays, correct? As we needed them. I guess jokingly, if, if we had flying cars by then, we just need, we need aviation mechanics instead of auto mechanics. Okay. Okay. You're still going to, if it's a car that has some type of vertical lift deployment. We've seen a couple at the Edison innovation awards. Yeah. It still needs to be serviced. Okay. I'm just asking. We would eventually grow it. But yeah, there's -- We're not going to just like put all these 45 bays because right now we don't need them. Right? If you, we've had presentations about electric vehicles. Staff is, there's hybrid vehicles. Staff gets training on those. We've looked at buses. All the heavy equipment, police cars. We've looked at the, if you look at the core of what government provides in services. And you look at that when you talk about crane trucks for lift stations, bread trucks and, you know, heavy, you know, medium duty vehicles for underground service crews. And you see, excavators, tandem trucks. That's a bulk of what you're looking at here. There may be, if you're looking at DSD, our inspectors that have pickup trucks and our code officers. And maybe all those finance, you know, those administrative offices and finance, you know, manager, finance clerk. I mean, you're looking at 78 and 16. You're looking at 94 out of 2000 vehicles that, that may, there may be some new technology that changes the drive train and propulsion. But the balance of those, the other 1900 is principally going to be a diesel engine, a gasoline engine, because it needs to produce power and lift. Right. For the type of work that it's doing. Right. So, okay, if you look at that and you say, okay, commensur ately 10% of those bays may need to be outfitted as an alternative mechanic, aviation mechanic, electrician for some type of, you know, electrician. That's fine. You just outfit the bay differently. Right. But we would grow into those bays. In other words, we wouldn't just, you know, okay, we're going to fill it. We're going to, we're going to, we're going to outfit all 45 bays and they're going to sit there until 2035 and then we'll start using them. We'll just, we'll just grow with it. You, we would, I will tell you in the last three, two and a half, three years that I've been sitting, man, each year I asked AJ, our fleet manager. How are you servicing the new fire trucks? How are you servicing the 2030 new police cars? How are you servicing the new, you know, utility crews from the utility expansion? I, there's just no way to keep the mechanic to per equivalent vehicle unit number the same. So when we talk about, are we maintaining ground or losing ground? You know, one, one fire truck is, you know, maybe like 12 equivalent vehicle units because the amount of out man hours and service time it takes to service that just for a PM, they could do 12 vehicles. Okay. And so that's how they look at it. And we've been adding all of those types of public safety, you know, utility assets based on UEP growth, fire station growth, public safety growth. And he has told me each year, I have nowhere to put them. Gotcha. So at some point this system is going to break. And that's what, that's where we're at is if we have bought into the number two strategic, so the number one strategic plan was financial growth and sustainability. The number two strategic plan item was the, the, the five, three fire stations and the public, the police, you know, precinct. Right. Well, I can't in good conscience add three more fire stations, those engines, those rescues, those battalion chiefs and all the support staff, knowing that right now, if you go and look at it and those of you who went, there's seven, seven, at least there was then. I don't know, there may be more or less today. Fire, life safety apparatus, sitting outside because we have one bay that was stolen from utilities and it doesn't even have the height to work on the ladders. Gotcha. It, the system is going to fail. I do not want to sit in this seat. My fire chief does not want to sit in his seat. Public works and AJ, nobody wants to be here when that happens. I do not want to sit in the seat. I do not want to sit in the seat. I do not want to sit in the seat. I do not want to sit in the seat. I do not want to sit in the seat. I do not want to sit in the seat. I do not want to sit in the seat. I do not want to sit in the seat. I do not want to sit in the seat. 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People put their houses up for sale and left because it was the first hurricane they had ever been in. So they were out of here. And then the market has changed even since then after the hurricane. So, I mean, when we're talking 2070, my daughter will be 60 . This whole room will likely be dead. Maybe me and Council Member Long will still be alive, but we will be old. We will be old. We'll be 80, 81. I think that's crazy to build the 2070. And also I found it very interesting that on here it shows that the need was 30 days by 2045, but then only 40 by 2070 . That doesn't make sense to me. That's based on our growth model. So we when you look at. The growth model from 2022. Our metro forecasting growth model. So when you're looking at the amount of population we have and you look at what we need for the police chief for the 2035 mile model that he has the fire. All of this was looked at as like a facility assessment in order to keep the level of service. 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So I'm confused about that. Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts to this with our asset management plan and our vehicles being more efficient. How many major repairs are we really experiencing? Do we know that? I will let AJ handle that question. Major. You mean like a engine failure or transmission? Well, I mean, like I know, like I get an oil change in my car every time. I don't know if I'm going to change in my car every 10,000 miles, not 3,000 miles. I would hope that number is minimal. Because if they're able to do maintenance, we shouldn't get to that point. Right. So we went to synthetic oil. So it used to be every like 3,000. I was just using that as an example. Like major repairs. Yeah, we do 6,000. So we've increased work orders. In 2022, we had like 1,600 work orders. This last year we had 19. But we also have more assets. Right. And so this year itself by, we did 5, 826. We're at already at 1,691 just for this year. We're not even through the year yet. What are the major repairs from that? It, it mostly we're doing a lot of breaks, but we, the explorers right now are having transmission issues. They always change different vehicles. So most of our work is tires, brakes, oil, doing wipers. We don't do any accident work. That's outsourced. But we do the work order. Towing goes down and brings it back. Thank you. So when we say that we're going to build it to 2070, but it 's not going to be completely fitted out. What does that look like? What does that mean? Because he says he's going to use it, which I understand. Yeah. He's he'll, they'll pull vehicles into the bays. And then while they're waiting for something, or they'll move it off a lift and put it in the other bay until the parts come in. Well, what we will have if we build to the 2070, the marginal increase will be to basically add the FTE. Our, our contracts with our labor unions have them paying for all of their hand tools. And then we buy the specialty tools. 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And I, for one, would like to make sure that we as a council are striving to a higher standard as opposed to dummy it down to the lowest possible equival ency standard because we're trying to support some kind of echoing out there. And let me be more specific about that. You know, I often say that I was taught earlier in my career that any dummy can run a P&L profitably over a year. But it's the legacy. The CEO can look 15 years in advance, step it back, and figure out how to re-engineer it going forward. I think that's our role. I think we have to -- no matter what the condition is, whether it's a wartime environment in which costs are tight and we don't have all that much money or whether or not we 're fat with money, it's our role to try and channel us to that next standard looking into the future. So I'm trying to set the stage for that. And, you know, I'm fiscally conservative, but I still think that you can do that in a manner that provides the leadership to be prepared to take the next step if you can 't even do it today. So I think that's our role, right? We really need to be looking to the future. And I'm not trying to lecture. I'm just trying to tell you where I think about things. So I would rather shoot to the higher standard, define what that standard is, and then walk our way to it. If we can't get there as quickly as we'd like to, let's slow it up a little bit in a year or two. And we can do that now. We have the luxury of being able to do that. And as far as our role as opposed to city manager's role, we provide the policy and direction to city manager. And I don't think that he could be criticized for not having that long-term vision because everyone says when he does that, that he's taken our role away from us and why we 're listening to the city manager. I don't mind being criticized for what the hell I'm doing up here. And I don't mind projecting that role in any way. And I think we have to shoot to the higher standard. I think that anyone who thinks that they can come in here in a doge mentality, and doge I'm looking at as a negative concept. Because I've seen the effects of those in the federal government where they come in and they look at doing things without any recognition of what the cuts that they're making and ramifications of the cuts have on things. I don't want to see us in that position. I want to see us doing things that are an informed decision on when we make cuts. And anyone who associates themselves with the doge mentality. I heard the state in that the Florida League of Cities, I heard the state representative for doge come in and say our primary focus is DEI and environmental. Well, I'm sorry. Some of that stuff helps cost, but not a lot of it that we 're dealing with here is in that category. So to the extent that we're trying to mimic that process, I don't approach that either. So I think that it's our vision right now. And it must be our vision to project forward. And, you know, we're going to have a couple of lean years, so let's figure out how we scale it back. But that's the right decision. And it's not the publicly popular decision. So I think that decisions like this we're looking at what's the right thing for the future. Let's define what that right thing for the future is. And if that's looking at 70, let's look at 70. And if it means not quite building all those bays, but building the building, that's where we're at. So just to lay that upon you, I mean, again, I'm speaking for myself and there's eight of us up here. But that's the way I see our role. I really do. So thank you, Mary. I just want to get that out. Thank you. Council member Long. Thank you, Mayor. Hear me out. If we're all going to be dead, maybe we do want to spend the money on that resort style pool. Why wait? No. Again, just answering Dr. Donald's question briefly. I think accidentally we do a little bit of both, right? We legislate for growth in the context of sort of the early stages of these discussions. In this case, this was years ago, completely different council. So we're presented these pictures, right? Everybody, it's kind of the inside joke. Staff gives council picture books. So we take these ideas and maybe there's a dollar cost associated with it. We say, yeah, we love it. And then slowly, you know, through the consent, we design it. We do this. We do that. That's the growth part. We legislate. That's the easy part, right? Hell yeah. The yacht club looks cool. Let's do that pool. Then is the legislating for cuts, right? When that bill is due. Years down the road. After millions of spent in design and the projects come to fruition. And now we realize that wasn't with FF&E. And now it is. Escalations, et cetera. So then we're legislating for cuts. And so that was my whole point of looking at this project is to say, I don't have a problem with the project. In fact, I support it. It's obviously a need. But I think this should be the standard for how we assess these larger capital projects as we move forward rather than throwing it on the tail end of a bond approval or a consent agenda item. And I don't think staff had any intention of that. But by the nature of the presentation, the last time any council saw this before we were about to approve the debt service was in 2024. Five different people up here in 2024 in May. So, or maybe Councilwoman Laster was here. But you get my point. And so we should at least look at this in the context of all the other things. Yeah, it's a need. We look at all the other projects as well. Like we have some hopefully some on the agenda today. And then we say, all right, now we're not just legislating for growth without any figures. Now we've got all the figures. This is a need. But is it a bigger need than a peer? Absolutely. And so, and that to me is how we should, and we can't do it all the time. And obviously things move. There's a lot of moving parts. But at some point council needs to come at least semi annually and look at all these large projects before taking some of the debt on and saying, hey, this is cool, but let's not look at it in a vacuum. 50 million in a vacuum here. 39 million in a vacuum for the Yacht Club. Next thing you know, it's built out. All of JC. Here's the debt. How do you want to handle the debt? It's done. It's spent. So that's all I wanted to do here. And I did a good job, I think, contextualizing it. To me, you know, sure. We could talk a little more about phasing of the bays. I'd like to see the costs for either or maybe negligible, maybe worth discussing. But yeah, certainly we need to move forward at least with the first part. And that's where I'm at on this one. Thank you. Yeah. You know, for me, what we're doing here is addressing a need, not a want. It's something, you know, that we have to address. I can tell you, shoot, it was probably five years ago I walked through that building and saw the condition that it was in. Council Member Donnell said, you know, the need existed back in 2014. And what we've probably been doing with this project is kind of kicking the can down the road. And now I think it's time that, you know, we have to address it. You know, when you look at, you know, some of the projects that we have done, and I'm hopeful that when I look back on my tenure here, you know, that we made decisions to plan for the future of our city. And that's how I make my decision making. I'm not making my decision making on what we need today. My question is what do we need today and what are we going to need for the future? And when you look at this particular project, you know, when you're looking at the difference between the 2045 model and the 2070 model, we're talking 10 bays. And we know that we're going to need these facilities. And as you heard today, we'll be able to use those bays even today, even if they're not completely built out with equipment. So, you know, for me, this is a very easy decision. Some of the projects that we have invested in over the last several years, the plan for the future. We didn't need it at the time, but we planned for the future. And I hope that no matter what council is sitting up here, that's how they make their decisions on the need for the day today and the plan for the future. You know, you look at our RO plant that was built in 2010. That plant was built for a build out of our city where they could implement throughout the years to expand upon our RO plant. So, when we built this in 2010, where we had probably 180, 000 people, we were building it out at that time for the capacity of 400,000 people. Let's look at our irrigation needs in our city. What have we spent over the last few years? You know, we did the pipeline. That was a $22 million project. We had about $12 million in grants, but we invested in $10 million because we knew that we were going to need that irrigation water all the way to build it. We bought a reservoir for $38 million. We don't need that reservoir today. But we built it and we're going to spend money, additional monies for the pipeline to bring that water down. So, we'll have enough irrigation water between those two projects all the way out to build out. So, today is no different than those days for me. You know, we look at the project, what are we going to need for the future? We're only talking 10 additional days. We know we can use it. Just if you look at the request from public safety for the next five years, the fire chief says he needs 100 officers. That's 100 vehicles. The fire department wants to open up three additional fire stations in the next five years. That's a minimum of two vehicles per fire station, not to include any specialty vehicles that may be needed. You know, so for me, and you heard our fleet manager said a lot of the data that's here today was based upon a 2022 study. Here we are four years later. So, for me, this is a very easy decision. We need to plan for the future, recognizing what our needs are today and into the future. So, I'll support the 2070 version to move that project forward. We'll hear later on in our next presentation, you know, the recommendation, how we're going to fund this project. And I'll support that as well. Councilman McKillory. Yeah, just one point you triggered in my mind. The North RO plant, the expansion of that plant, is -- we have it on the books now -- probably around $30 million. If we wouldn't have done the forward thinking to make that an easy-to-expand plant by having the right sizing within that plant, we'd be -- that expansion right now would probably be three or four times that, at least $90 million. So, the point being is, it's a wise to think this way. And in the long run, saves you a ton of money. And to the mayor's point, that's exactly what we need to be doing, I think, long term. So, thank you. All right. Seeing no other lights on, I think the next item that we'll address -- and I think that'll kind of bring this all together with several of these topics that we've been discussing here today -- is item 3, which is the special obligation revenue bonds. And then within that, we have ordinance 27-26 and resolution 106-26 up. I see some council members leaving. Do you want to take a break before we dive into this and a couple -- Yeah, we can take -- you know, I was planning on breaking for lunch here somewhere around the 12 o'clock range, between 12 and 12:30. So, why don't we go ahead and take a 10-minute break. We'll come back here at 11:20 and then try to at least get this last segment. I know if we get started, those who haven't will likely get up and leave. And so -- Okay. This is the one that's going to tie it together. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. We'll come back at 11:20. 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And so the goal today is to walk 11:30. The ordinance and resolution, again, 11:30. That was previously presented. Look at the city's current 11:30. And projected debt profile 11:30. For the government funds, and then 11:30. Provide you options that are 11:31. That are available to cash fund 11:31. Projects. So ordinance 27-26 11:31. And resolution 106-26 11:31. Together, authorize the 11:31. Issuance of a not to exceed $65 million 11:31. In special obligation 11:31. And the 11:31. Revenue bonds. Those proceeds will be used to finance 12:34. Revenue bonds. Those proceeds will be used to finance 12:37. Capital improvements, repay the 12:38. Commercial paper, and pay issuance 12:38. Costs related to that debt. The ordinance was first 12:40. Introduced on May 6. And we held a public hearing 12:42. On May 20. The money borrowed through this 12:43. Ordinance were to fund the 12:47. Following projects you see here. JC Park improvements. Coral Oaks golf course irrigation 12:50. Improvements. Northwest one. I'm sorry. North one west. Transportation improvements. And the yacht club seawall 12:50. Improvements. At last week's meeting, council 12:50. Continued the item to allow staff to 12:52. Bring back additional information on 12:54. Future debt supported capital 12:54. Improvements and the potential use of 12:56. General fund. Unassigned or undesignated fund balance. So that's what we have prepared 12:58. So before we move into any proposed 12:59. New debt, it's important to ground this 12:01. Discussion with a snapshot of where we 12:01. Are currently with debt. So as of today, the city has approximately 49:03 million in general obligation debt that is repaid by ad valorem revenues. And approximately 177 million in other governmental debt that is repaid from non-ad valorem revenue. In January, as part of a broader discussion on the city's debt capacity, staff presented the planned projects below and the following table of proposed timing of those bonded projects. So the amounts reflected are were the costs available at the time and the proposed timing of the debt was aligned with planned project schedules. So since that January discussion, we've updated the proposed list and timing of bond projects based on council direction, project readiness, and updated cost estimates. So the only project that was removed from the original list is the Santa Barbara building remodel. And so you'll notice that we'll focus our attention to the right of this slide, which gives you the new updated proposed bond projects. So the top right, those projects align with Ordinance 2726. It includes the same four projects that I went over. So we are recommending that we continue to move forward with that ordinance and fund, debt fund the following four projects at the top. Moving to the middle, if the direction is to fund all of these projects listed, then that would time the debt to be issued sometime in 2027. But based on discussions we've had earlier this morning, we have some upcoming slides that will discuss possibly cash funding a few of these projects. And then down below, the same goes for the list at the bottom. Depending on council direction, we would time a debt issu ance sometime in the future to align with project schedules. We've taken that same list from the previous slide and provided you with a breakdown by funding source. And this is intended to give you a clearer picture of what fund is responsible for each project and also responsible for the payment of any potential debt. So the remainder of this presentation will be focused on the general fund. So it was important to give you a snapshot or an extraction of that previous list, but only include general fund projects. So that's what you have here on this page. We've also provided a snapshot of the funds unassigned or undesignated fund balance. And as you can see, we're starting with the $29.9 million in undesignated fund balance. That was at the start of the beginning of the fiscal year. It's also included in the most recent ACFER and it was presented to you at the January workshop. In February, the city closed on the sale of the Seven Islands property, which brought in an additional $10.6 million to the general fund. Because those proceeds were not allocated for a specific purpose, are not part of the adopted budget, there's no plan of spending. So it will essentially or theoretically fall to the bottom line of the financial statements for the general fund and become undesignated or unrestricted reserves. So we've included it here to get to a total of about $40.5 million. That will be available to potentially cash fund any of the projects on the list to the left. So it's important before I move on, it's important though that this is an illustration of what fund balance is. And so we still have four months left in the fiscal year. Anything could happen. We plan or predict that we will, this is a good number and we expect it to be available for use. However, worst case scenario, we get hit with a catastrophic event that totally depletes our budget stabilization reserve and we have to dip into this. I don't have a crystal ball. I can't predict what will actually happen. So this is just an illustration of what we expect to have available. We will most likely have it available for planning and budgeting purposes. I think it's a good number to use, but I just wanted to put that out there that until the end of the fiscal year happens, we don't truly know what that number will be. And as the city manager mentioned earlier, it could actually be higher based on how we end the fiscal year. All right. So turning to funding sources, there are three components that we should consider as we move forward. The first is that it's important to note that bonds would be secured by a covenant to budget and appropriate legally available non ad valorem revenues. So what that means is that we will utilize all revenue other than ad valorem taxes and grant revenue to secure any debt service on these bonds. Second, there is the public service tax. We're just bringing this to the table for consideration. Currently, it's at 7%. So we're going to have to do a couple of things. So we're going to have to do a couple of things. So we're going to have to do a couple of things. So we're going to have to do a couple of things. So we're going to have to do a couple of things. So we're going to have to do a couple of things. So we're going to have to do a couple of things. So we're going to have to do a couple of things. So we're going to have to do a couple of things. So we're going to have to do a couple of things. if we do increase it to the max of 10%. And then third, we are actually recommending to amend the financial management policy, specifically number two, which currently has certain revenues budgeted at 95%. So increasing that to 98% would create an additional 1.9 of additional revenue that we could use to fund that service. This particular policy was put in place back in the early 90s, basically to create like a savings account for the general fund. But in 2022, we established the budget stabilization reserve, which we've talked about, and it's currently at about $58, $59 million. So if council can commit to continuing with the budget stabilization reserve and funding that, then we would feel comfortable actually increasing the budget to 98% for this particular reserve, so that it would generate that additional revenue that we could use to fund debt service. So the next couple of slides, we're going to kind of tie in some of the previous presentations from this morning, starting with the fleet facility project. So to the right, there is a snapshot of what total cost of the project will be, along with annual debt service. And you'll see that all of the funds listed there to the right will be serviced by the fleet facility, so they should essentially contribute to the cost of the project. Now we're focusing on the general fund. So as it relates to the general fund, we have provided you with some funding options. There's a cash plus debt approach where the general fund cash funds its portion of the project, would pay the annual debt service. And then debt is issued for the remaining costs. And those other funds listed here would pay the annual debt service. Or we could just issue debt for the whole amount. And each benefiting fund would pay their proportionate share. The general funds portion would be covered by that amendment to policy number two that I mentioned before. So those are the options for the fleet facility. We've talked about it earlier this morning, but just wanted to give you a snapshot or a summary of that . And then the yacht club construction, the same thing. We've discussed it. I believe we received a consensus to go ahead and move forward with phases one and two. So your options to do that would be similar to the previous option, cash plus debt strategy, where the general fund cash pays a portion or all of those phases. And then we would finance the rest of it. Or we can issue debt for the entire project. And then you utilize that covenant budget to actual to make sure that we appropriate the annual debt service each year. All right. So tying those previous slides together, we have an illustration here of utilizing that undesignated fund balance. There is 40.5 million available and can be applied to the following projects listed here. And then the remaining portion, like I mentioned before, would be finance. And we would utilize the change in the amendment to the financial policy number two to cover the debt service. So kind of tying all of those recommended cash considerations together here, giving you a snapshot of that. All right. So in summary, as you can see, those go back here. We did not recommend financing any of the projects that were originally included in ordinance 2726. So our recommendation is still to move forward and author ize the borrowing for those projects. And then we're just wanting your feedback on cash funding, any of the projects listed. And that is it. Okay. Thank you very much. I open up for discussion. Council Member Dino. Let's go back, Ms. Feast, because you started speaking about general fund. Mm-hmm. And let's go back to slide eight. But just for the record out there, the total amount of debt that is covered by the general fund, is that the 377 million that's represented here? That 377 is the cost, the estimated cost, as we know it today, of those projects listed. Correct. But you notice- That is the total amount, not the general fund. And that's less-the number to the right says that it's $90 million short. So is that captured in the little footnotes down there about that being-how do we-where is that $90 million? All right. Let me go back to a slide before. So here we have all of the projects for consideration, along with all of the funding sources. The total of the columns to the right total of the $434.4 million in that first column. So what we've done here-let me go back. So let's take the fire station, for instance. That is the first project under proposed 2027 bond projects . You'll see that there's two funding sources for that particular project. $3.2 million coming from the general fund and then the rest from the fire service assessment. So if I go to the next slide where I'm capturing only the general fund's portion, that's why it's $17 million in the first column, but only $3.2 in the second column. So it won't be a one-for-one once I extract the general fund. But that last column is what the general fund would be responsible for. That dollar amount is what I think we should focus on, the $287 million. So the $90 million is still there. It's just funded by other revenue sources. Got it. And the last one for me for right now, if you go to slide number eight, because I think I finally figured out where this hiding money comes from and it's undesignated. Question one, and then the undesignated fund balance, that is shown on a document. The question would be, is that shown on the documents that the public can access with this undesignated fund? Yes, that is disclosed in the act for each year. So it's in our financial statements. Question two, though. Where does it show how we accumulated this? Because I keep hearing you had money left over. Certainly we didn't have $29 million left over from last year. Do you have some document that shows how we got to $29 million over the... So there's no one document. That $29 million wasn't earned at the end of fiscal year 25 . What it is is an accumulation from the previous year. So in fiscal year 24, in unassigned or undesignated fund balance, there was, I believe, $11 million, $11.7 million. And so now, with the transactions and the activity of fiscal year 25, it ended at $29.9 million. So that number is just an accumulation from all the prior years. So one can go back and clearly see if they know what they 're looking for. They can add up to get to $29 million over previous years. Not necessarily. And I only say that because at the end of each fiscal year, you have to fund the other reserve buckets before you actually end up with unassigned reserve. So there's committed. There's non-spendable. All of those get funded first. And then you're left with, if there's anything at all at the end of the fiscal year, you're left with undesignated or unassigned. So you can't take 24 and add. There's no one number on the financial that you can add to get to the 29. It truly is the process of fulfilling the other reserve obligations. Okay. So in summary, thank you for bearing with me. In summary, this is a snapshot. Slide number eight. Because what I was looking for and what we were talking about is here's the whole kit and caboodle of projects. And the total cost on that that we're looking at is what number? For all the projects, the whole pie. We're looking at $287 million. Is that what we're saying? Yes. The general fund. And of that, we have $40 million in cash to address the $28 7 million in general fund. That's where we're trying to solve, the riddle we're solving today. I wouldn't say it's to address it because there's some planned debt financing. So we don't function on always as a pay-as-you-go. We're considering that today because, you know, council wanted us to evaluate that. So that's why it's presented this way today. But, you know, just from a financial perspective, you want to have some debt financing planned. And so that is the case here. The $40.5 can be applied to any of those projects, and we 've made some recommendations. But to say we're short, you know, the difference between that general fund column and cash, I think that might be a little unfair to say. All right. Thank you. That's all. Johnson, Reverend Kilring. Yeah. Again, I go back to our general strategy here is public safety and then the needed infrastructure. And then those projects they're obligated to do because of other contractual requirements. And if you look at that, we're talking about the 2026 bonded projects, the 2027 bond projects. And then a portion of the Yacht Club that we were considering to push off until July, making the final decision, running the three through six items. Not necessarily what you're showing here in slide eight is the three to ten, but those three through six. So I'd include those projects with the caveat that we're going to wait until July to really commit to that one piece . So I'm pretty much in line with what you described here for those two years. In addition to that fire, I think we were looking at fire station five in the original pieces, a required portion. So I would add that to it. And I would look at taking the measure of moving it up to the 98%. I think that's a common sense measure that we could do, especially if we're going to support the stabilization revenue approach, which I think we'll be doing. So I'm with you on the way that you project this with the qualifiers, as I just mentioned before. So I'm good with your plan up to that point. But let's hold on that other piece until we find out where those proposals come in at and see how that affects us. Okay. Thank you, Mayor. Councilmember Kadoot. I have a bunch of questions, but the first one is on slide seven. You have all of these columns of the different funding sources. The charter school has its own column. So then we go to slide 10, fleet facility financing options . And when AJ was speaking, we talked about the buses. Is there no charter school percentage? So the charter school, because it's part of the city, but it's a separate entity. They utilize the fleet facility, but we're going to charge them through their labor rate. So their repayment will be built into the labor rate because they're not truly a separate, they're not part of the city. Where is it built in here? It wouldn't. So they wouldn't be part of the repayment of the annual debt service. It's just the labor rate that we charge them whenever they get serviced. It would be built into that. Okay. And if you want to go back to slide seven, we have all these different funding sources. And I mean, obviously we have so many more. Our solid waste assessment, all the different assessments and funding that we have. Can we borrow funds from a different fund and repay them? Separate from this, that's just a general question. Yes. For instance, the general fund has borrowed money from the water and sewer fund for land purchases and things like that. And that has been repaid. We've borrowed money from the stormwater fund to purchase property. Correct. So to answer your question, yes. Okay. Also, you sent this out to the mayor yesterday, so I decided to bring my book so I could actually see it and flip through it. In our asset management program, in our budget book, I find it interesting that we have fire station 10 listed on this page for 17 million, but in our budget book, it says 18.7. Why would it go down? I don't have the budget book in front of me. And I understand that. And you emailed this out to us, too. So it's like right at the, you emailed it yesterday. So that's just one of many projects listed here that I was flipping through and all the numbers are different. There could be a part that's not debt funded in the budget book. It could have been funded through cash or. It does. It says, it says cash grant debt. It says multiple things in here. So this, what's on the slide before you is strictly debt funded. Okay. Okay. I have more questions, but I will give the floor to someone else. Council member Stonike. Thank you, mayor. I'm going to just make a couple of comments. One is the decisions that, you know, we're entertaining right here. All of us as citizens do in our own personal lives all the time. Do we use cash? Do we use financing? The air conditioner goes out at the house. Do I take money out of savings and do it? Do I do the financing plan? I need a new car. I go to the car dealer. How much money do I put down? What's my payment going to be? We do this on a much more minor scale as individuals. This obviously is a much bigger scale, a lot more money, huge, huge dollars. But it's still the same principles. Do you want to have some money left in your savings account ? Who knows what's coming next? You know, we just talked about 2,000 capital assets that our fleet department has to take care of. Well, I'll guarantee you that the $29,935,000 that we have in excess funds, let's call it, that same thing is not going to happen this year. No one looked at those 2,000 vehicles and thought we were going to be putting gas and diesel in them at the prices that we're putting in them right now. So the same thing that happens to us personally happens to the city as well. So during a time like this where we see the price at the pump up where it is, well, that pump is pumping into all of our city vehicles at the same time too. So to have dollars available for those events that are un foreseen is wise decision-making. And that's one of the things that the city does when we tend to underestimate what we believe a revenue source is going to produce. If you underestimate your revenues, that's a prudent, safe practice. If you tend to overestimate what your expenses are going to be, that's a prudent strategy as well. Sometimes they both pay off at the same time. Sometimes the expenses come in way less than what you'd planned on. The revenue comes in a lot higher and it causes a larger overage that carries forward to another year. Some years, one of them doesn't pay off. And some years, both of them don't pay off. Revenues didn't reach the levels that we thought they were going to reach. And expenses went above and beyond. So the ebb and flow of the savings can come and go for the city just like it happens for us as citizens in our personal lives. And there's been some comments on social media and at a couple meetings I was at lately that the city's tapped out and that the council is going to break the bank. Well, it's not a bank. When we borrow this money, it's a debt service that we don 't go to a bank and put in a loan application and we hope they approve us. It's a debt that we go to the marketplace and we actually want people to buy the debt. And that is done through the investment markets. And so when you hear about municipal bonds, that's what we 're talking about here. And people buy and sell municipal bonds all the time. And just to that, hey, we're going to break the bank and to try to support the fact that we use strong fiscal policy and that we do operate conservatively in this decision making. If you could go to slide four, just for giggles, instead of taking someone's word for it on social media, that we're tapped out, we're breaking the bank, we're going to go def unct. And I took that last series 2024, and anybody can look this up anytime they want, to get fact from an objective source. Here's what the Fitch rating industry or the Fitch rating service says about the Cape Coral 2024 series 2024 bond. It says that the city of Cape Coral's general obligation bond series 2024, which raised 17.565 million for parks and natural resources, hold a bond rating of AA from Fitch ratings alongside an overall issuer default rating of AA with a stable outlook. The significance of AA rating is a strong indicator of the city's financial resilience, steady reserve levels, and positive economic growth, representing investment-grade security. Those are the ratings that we want to maintain. And the way you maintain them is by maintaining that strong financial position. And so when we consider using all of the reserves, if you will, to then keep down the amount of money that we borrow, that we can do that. And it does keep the actual payment on that debt to all those people that invest in those bonds, because that's what they're going to do. The marketplace is going to invest in whatever dollars we go out with this bond issue. A bank isn't loaning us the money. There's investors that are going to say, I'll go ahead and I'll invest in that, because you're going to pay X amount of interest until that bond matures. And they look at that as a wise investment, and they rely upon these rating agencies. Every time our cash levels diminish, the rating agencies can change their rating. And we may not be ready for the next time that it costs as much money as it does to fuel up that police car, that fire truck. So as we look at this, just recognize we're trying to look at this the same way that every one of us looks at it in our personal lives, is how much cash do we put in, and then what's my payment going to be? And so the analysis that's done and all these charts that we see in front of us help to determine where that payment 's going to come from, which departments are going to have to pay for it, and what revenue sources are going to pay for it there. And so what I would submit at this point is the financial rationale that our finance department brings to us on how to make these decisions. There's just a number of things that have to be taken into consideration, and one of them is, do we tap out all of our undesignated reserves to do that? And that's a choice that we all have to make. And eight of us have to vote on it, and we have to listen to the citizens. But just as the citizens give feedback, I hope that we can bring some of this information that gets behind how the decisions are made and things that need to be considered to make that happen. So do we have reserves that we've been building? Yes, we do. Do we have some that are unexpected? I hope so, because that $29.9 million, when you divide that by 220,000 citizens, we overestimated by $136 per person. That's not a bad safety factor, in my opinion. So now do we make the decision, let's spend it all so that we don't have a payment? That's the decision that we're making. And what do we invest it in? I love the discussion, and I get the different perspectives from my council members and from citizens as it relates to what's a need and what's a want and all that. And when we come down to these decisions, that's what it boils down to. So I'm semi-optimistic enough that I'd say, yeah, I'm okay with letting the whole $29 million go. The $10 million in proceeds from Seven Islands, yeah, that 's money. That was our property, right? We sold it, and now we have the proceeds. What are we going to do with it? Every single one of us make that decision. If we sell our house, we're going to move to a new house. If we had a piece of land that we bought as an investment, we decide what are we going to do with the money next. I am in full support of using those dollars for this purpose and not debt funding what would have to be debt funded if we didn't use that money. It was a wise decision to sell the property. Now let's use the money for this. As it relates to spending all of the $29.9 million, I'm cautiously optimistic to say, okay, let's do that, considering the fact that we have the other reserves. But if we have too much more of this high gas prices that we have that we have no control over, and if we were to have a significant event, a hurricane event, God forbid. But if we did, I don't want to have second thoughts and go, man, I wish we would have saved a little bit of that money for a torrential rainy day. So that's where I stand on it, just some rationale of how I come about my thinking on it. Thanks, Mayor. Councilmember Kadoo. Thank you, Mayor. Councilmember Steinke, I'm surprised staff didn't correct you. This is not reserves. This is unrestricted fund balance that has been left over from 9-31-2025. That money is parked somewhere, and it's earning interest. It's actually more than this amount. It's not reserves. This is leftovers because we have to have a balanced budget . So I understand your hesitation, but we actually do have a whole other, out of our 87-plus money trees, there's a whole other one designated specifically to reserves. This money, this $40.5 million, and it's actually more than that, because this is as of 9-30-2025, is parked, and it's earning interest. So the reason why we're here today is because if you look at this slide 12, it shows us that staff is telling us how to spend the money . Did you say 12? Slide 12. And initially, you know, we were told staff's recommendation is to still authorize Ordinance 27-26 and Resolution 106-26, which was the not to exceed, correct, of $65 million for the bond? Correct. And in my humble opinion, the reason why I said that night at our council meeting we should be tabling this is because staff on this slide is telling us how to spend that $40.5 million. And really, this hasn't been spent or budgeted yet. So we can actually look at this next week in our budget workshop, and we could actually buy down and go out to the market for a not to exceed of, and I'm just throwing out fake numbers, $45 million rather than $65 million. Because, again, this isn't reserves that we're using. We're not utilizing reserves. This is an overage. It's unrestricted funds, and we made a sale. Again, that money is parked, and it's earning interest for us to spend. So I just needed to make sure that you understood that that was a difference. We still have reserves that are still building up, and they even asked us in number one on the right side of this to amend it so that they can even make more reserves. So it's interesting to me. There's a lot of government finance is complex. I actually thoroughly enjoy diving in and learning more about it. But we make the decision as a whole up here how to spend that money, and in this slide, they are telling us how to spend that money when we can go into the budget workshop next week and decide what we want to do. Thank you. Can I just add to that? So at last week's council meeting, the ordinance 2726 was tabled. It included a list of planned projects to fund using that debt. At that time, it said, well, we want to consider cash funding projects, including the four that I presented. What we have here today is we're recommending to continue to debt fund those four projects, but we're providing recommendations to utilize undesignated fund balance because that was the direction. And we're providing you with the starting point. This is our recommendation if we're going to use undesign ated fund balance. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. And we're going to do that. If today's direction is to cash fund any of those four, then yes, we would reduce that not to exceed because it wouldn't be necessary. I'm not seeing in this presentation. And sorry if I scrolled past it. Oh, no, it is. It's on page six. Top right corner. This 58.2 is really what we're going out to the market for, for the not to exceed 65 million. So all of us sitting up here this afternoon could decide that we want to spend 20 million of the 40.5 million sitting there and buy that down before we go out to the market. And we could pay off JC Park in full or the golf course irrigation, which we know is going to be paid back through irrigation funds, a whole nother separate fund. The Northwest North one West transportation is five and five, six cent sales tax, right? These are all different funds. The only one would be JC Park, right? And the seawall. Okay. So we could actually decide with our 40.5 million, which actually is more money than that. It's earning interest somewhere to pay in full in whole, not debt fund, JC Park in the yacht club seawalls today, if we wanted to. So just something to think about, guys. It's up to all of us, but we have ways to buy this down and not to exceed 65 million should actually be brought way down. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no other lights on, I guess I'll jump in here real quick. You know, I think what we're here to do today. And if I recall correctly in the conversation that we had last week is one of the things that we wanted to do is look at the big picture and what projects that we had coming forward. Because last week the presentation was only on JC Park, the golf course irrigation, North One transportation and the yacht club for a total of 58.2. And I think the reason that we find ourselves here today is because we knew there were other projects out there that were coming forward. And we wanted to look at this in totality. And whether it's the projects totality with the funding mechanism, whether it's debt, whether it's cash funded. And I think that's why we find ourselves here today. So with that being said, for me, my recommendation for me specifically regarding the initial discussion, JC Park and golf course irrigation, North One and the yacht club has continued to move forward as the resolution was provided. And then we're also looking at some of these other projects that we've had a discussion about today, which is phases one and two of the yacht club. And we're also looking at the at the fleet building and the different type of funding options that we have available to us. One of the things that was presented here was on slide 10, B3 was to amend the financial management policies. We go from a 95% methodology to a 98% methodology when it comes to our financial policies. No matter where or which funding mechanisms that we identify or place them against whatever projects, I think that this financial management policy moving forward, we should consider and I would support. One of the reasons that I say that is because, as we all know, our financial policies, we try to have in our reserves at least three months. One of the reasons that we have in our reserves is three months of operating expenses. Today, we have almost $60 million in reserves. And if I recall correctly, speaking with Mr. Mason yesterday, that equates to about 2.7 months of operating expense. Our policy is three months and I think we're trying to hit that in our next budget discussions for next year to make sure we have that budget stabilization fund. And I think because we have that budget stabilization fund. And I think because we have that budget stabilization fund, we've changed our methodology on our financials that I think we could surely go from the 95% to the 98% now. So I would support that. And this is, you know, just in the general fund. Council member Steinke said, you know, he was a little, sounds like he was a little hesitant using all of the cash that was left over the 40.5. I'm confident with using that money's knowing all of the reserves. And I have to agree with council member Caduc. I don't consider that $40 million reserves. That's a fund balance. That fund balance partially was leftover of sale property, you know, that we made a good investment on. And we have about $10.5 million to utilize. And then we have the leftovers from FY25 of about the $29.5 million. No matter how we got there, we didn't, we didn't have that savings in one financial or fiscal year. We, that was over a period of time. As you heard our finance director, she believed that the balance, and that's my recollection as well, that the balance from the year prior was about $11 million that rolled over. So we went from $11 to $29 in some, some fashion. So with that being said, I think that first you have to ask yourselves, which projects do you want to support moving forward? For me, I am going to side with the staff and our, and our financial team on how to do that. And I've had a couple lengthy conversations, either with the city manager or our finance team over the last couple of days. And one of the things that I was struggling with at first, but after I had these lengthy conversations kind of agreed to, I think when you have a, you know, a pot of money that you want to apply to any type of project. One of the things that you have to look at that particular project, is there a revenue source that could be utilized to pay a, pay for a revenue bond when you identify that particular project. I'll give you an example. You know, you take the yacht club for instance. The yacht club here on slide 12, you know, we have about $ 38 million of investments. And we're not, if we utilize the $21 million towards the fleet building, the fleet building has absolutely no opportunity for a revenue source. You know, that's something that we, we need, that's something we have to pay for. Or you look at the yacht club. And just to give one example, you have the boathouse. You know, if we have to incur a debt of $18 million to pay the balance of the $38 million. One of the things that we can utilize is the revenues that we get just from the boathouse alone. We know that that $18 million is probably on an annual expense somewhere about the, about $1.2 million. So if we're getting, and you look historically what we got from the yacht club, we were getting about $500,000 a year in revenue from them. And I think that moving forward with the new boathouse, larger capacity, a growing city over the, you know, couple of years. Uh, I think that that particular facility will be used more . So I kind of forecast that we'll probably have more than just the $500,000. Just say it goes to $600,000. Well, that's going to pay half the debt just with that one, that one, uh, revenue source, not to include, hopefully we 'll have some type of, uh, a P3, a private public partnership, maybe with the docs, um, where we'll be getting some revenue. We knew we were getting some revenues even before, even if we managed the docs ourselves, that was a revenue generator that we can go back historically and see what we were getting for revenue over the course of those years. We can apply that to the $1.2 million. We're already halfway there probably with the boathouse. So for me, uh, to take the bulk of the money, uh, and, uh, pay down the debt on the fleet building makes sense. And I can tell you, and, uh, Mr. Mason will tell you, uh, beginning of yesterday I wasn't there. Uh, but as, as we went through the scenarios and went through the discussion, then it made sense to me if there's a possibility for a revenue source in order to pay back that debt. To me, you gotta use that first. Go down that scenario first. So for me, uh, I think, uh, again, we gotta identify which projects, uh, that we're going to, um, uh, move forward. I think the four from the, uh, presentation from last week that, that was put on hold to a date certain, which was next week. Uh, I will support, uh, that particular, uh, resolution and moving those projects forward. Um, and I will also, uh, uh, recommend that we utilize, uh, the 29.9 and the 10.5, which totals about 40.5. And as council member Caduc, uh, stated with interest, it's probably a little more than that, but to use that, uh, proceeds and the recommendation that's made by our financial team to pay the 21.3 million towards the fleet building. And to, uh, look at the, the balance of the, that money's being applied, uh, to the, to the $38 million project, uh, for the infrastructure at the Yacht Club. Knowing there's going to be a balance of 18.8 million. Now, with that being said, um, you know, I'm pretty hopeful that, uh, there will be some monies left over this year. I know it's not going to be $29.9 million, but it's going to be something. Uh, and that's something towards the end of this year, you know, we can take a look at and see if we want to apply those monies toward that 18 million. So my question is, uh, to our finance department. Uh, and, uh, I had this discussion yesterday, uh, in the short term. So this project can continuously move forward. Would it be beneficial to issue a commercial paper on the 18.8 that's remaining? Uh, so we can get to the end of the physical year, uh, to see exactly where we stand, or is it better to roll that, uh, into some type of a debt today? So the JC Park, seawall, um, and the golf course irrigation , those were funded, our advanced, um, with commercial paper . With commercial paper. So we would have to issue that debt first, and then that would free up funds to then move these projects forward in the interim. And then we can reevaluate it at a later date, whether we transfer the 18.8 or some portion thereof, uh, into debt at a future date, but use the commercial paper that we're going to free up, uh, and the, uh, ordinance that's going to be presented to us next week. That's correct. So that would be my recommendation that we, uh, you know, once that, uh, that particular ordinance, uh, is approved, uh, to use commercial paper for the 18.8, move those projects forward, uh, so we can reevaluate towards the end of the fiscal year, uh, to determine how much money is left over. Uh, for me, uh, for me, my recommendation would probably to apply any balance thereof to the 18.8, and then, um, uh, take a look at what type of, uh, debt that we have. And also by then, hopefully, uh, by the July 29th meeting, we all know that there could be an opportunity for some additional, uh, funding, uh, that we may be able to utilize , uh, as a revenue, uh, as a revenue bond for any other, uh, possible P3s very similar to the boathouse that we could apply to this, uh, money. So we don't have to pay that, uh, out of the, uh, general fund. So that, that would be something, uh, that hopefully would happen that we could explore as well. So that's where I stand in it. Uh, council member Long. Thank you, Mayor. Um, going back to slide six, if we could, please. And, and the mayor kind of started down that road and, um, it's probably justification for it. I'm just looking for it, uh, for the sake of context. We talked about looking at all the big pictures. Where does the, um, the 550 million in water capital improvement projects that we were presented in April fit into all this? So these are all commercial governmental projects. Okay. That would be considered utility projects. That's not part of this presentation, um, and would be funded from a different source. Okay. Water and sewer. I mean, we, I know we considered basically debt versus commercial paper and that and bonds. So I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't. Okay. Cause I mean, that's a significant amount. I understand we got the assessments that we, we worked on and we increased that at 11% and all that, but it's just. And we would have, just to remind you, we would have to increase the commercial paper program in order to fund those, uh, water and sewer projects that you're referring to. So, so here we are, you know, not really contextualizing that either. Um, okay. That's all I need for now. Thank you. Um, I see council member Caduce late on, but before I go to her council member Dunnell and Lester, have you spoke, uh, on this yet? I don't think you have, I think council member Donnell may have very beginning. So I'll go to council member Lester and then I'll go to council member. Thank you for my turn. Um, so I guess, um, you know, for me, debt is debt, right? Like you clarified that this, this direction came from us and that's why if you go back to the other slide and we see like what we have, um, in our fund balance, not reserve, that's, that's separate as has already been stated by my teammates. Um, you know, for me, it's six, one way half dozen the other, whether we pay off right now, uh, JC Park and the Y acht Club seawall, you know, pay that off. Um, you know, with, with some of the fund reserves, we're still going to have to have debt, whether we, whether we pay down the debt for the fleet building, we're still going to have debt. I mean, it's still debt, right? Um, we do have reserves. Is there any, are there any funds designated in reserves? And I know there's laws around that and, you know, has to be used for certain things. Is there a way we could fund all of it with some of the reserves and pay ourselves back with some of these revenue generating opportunities? As the mayor stated, right? You know, and he said, chances are the boathouse will probably do 600,000, we'll get 600,000 or maybe even 700, 000, which could be 1.4 million. And, you know, I'm just thinking, is there a way we could pay those back or is that even allowed? I'm just thinking why next? So those reserves were established for specific purposes. Okay, I know that. So the biggest, the biggest chunk would be the budget stabilization reserve and that's reserved specifically for catastrophic events, emergency situations. We have another separate disaster reserve, which is $8 million and that's reserved specifically for federally or state declared emergencies. So, I think we have a small reserve for land sales, proceeds from land sales that goes into that bucket. So there isn't another bucket large enough to fund all of this. Okay. Nor does the policy allow us to use it for those purposes. And refresh my memory, Crystal. I can't remember how much is in there now, but the solid waste that I believe we made the decision years ago, Council did at the time, to start that fund so that we could prepay for, if when we do have a hurricane or some type of a storm situation, we could pay out of that quickly because that's so expensive and people want their stuff cleaned up so fast and then we get reimbursed by FEMA. Do we still have that reserve fund, correct? We do. And that's what it's for? So we can't use it for anything else. Like we couldn't use it and then pay it back. No, it's earmarked for that. And that is in, here's the accounting side, that is in a restricted fund specifically programmed for storm management. And that's what we're doing for stormwater purposes. That's right. Okay. Or stormwater management program. So we can't use it for these. Okay. So thank you for clarifying that. So, you know, to me, I mean, debt is debt, right? It's six one way half does the other. I have no issue staying with the ordinance that was proposed. I have no, no problem with that. That's a, that's a directive that we had given you anyway. And you know, it's six one way half does the other, whether we pay down one, we still have to take out. That service for, for multiple projects. So I'm good with, with keeping what we recommended to you in the beginning. Thank you, mayor. Council member Cadu. Thank you, mayor. I did bring my budget book. Policy number two, revenue estimates. Revenue estimates for annual budget purposes should be conservative. In this light, general fund revenues should be budgeted in the manner delineated below. Number one, property taxes shall be budgeted at 96% of the property appraisers estimate as of July. This is because most people have mortgages and the banks pay. And they're offered the discount. Well, I know as a lender at a bank that it is required by law that we must pay with a discount. Correct. Okay. Number two, the following revenue sources should be budget ed at 95% of the estimates either prepared by outside sources or the financial services department. State shared revenues, franchise fees, public service tax, 5 cents and 6 cents gas tax. So you're asking us to change this to 98%? Correct. Okay. We're recommending it. And because we have, and I said this before, but this was established many years ago in the 90s and they used, the city used it as a savings account basically to create, you know, a reserve or savings account for the city. Because it didn't have anything. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so the need for both of those has gone away. And so as long as the city is comfortable with keeping that budget stabilization reserve in place, we're comfortable with recommending a modification to this policy. So that we can build a larger savings account? No. So moving it from 95 to 98 would would allow us to put to it would free up 1.9 million dollars to use for something. Because currently, like for example, if we were to-- For example, instead of having 29.9 million left over, we would have 31. It would be less. So what it means to-- if we budget at 95%, let's just say we know we're going to get state revenue shares of 100,000. We're going to budget to only receive 95% so that five-- other 5% falls to fund balance. We don't budget to use it because it's not planned revenue. It's not in the budget. Moving that to 98%, it now becomes a lesser amount that falls to the bottom line. But we're putting it into the budget. And our-- and including it in this presentation, we're saying we're going to use that for annual debt service. OK. So it creates additional revenue that we can use. To borrow off of? Not to borrow off of. Just the budget to spend. OK. Does staff have any documents or do we have like the marina revenue pre-IIN? Pre-IIN? Yeah. Before, you know, we took the Yacht Club offline. Yeah. There's a separate Yacht Basin fund that accounted for that revenue. Right. I mean, can we see what that revenue was before? And then obviously we know we haven't had it built yet, but we keep talking about this unsolicited P3, which I don't know anything about really. And I know when we've been negotiating contracts, I mean, look, we have it later on in our agenda. We still haven't come to agreements on certain things. So I just don't know if we should be really jumping and putting all of our eggs in that basket either. Who knows? Mark Mason, Assistant City Manager. As far as the Yacht Basin is concerned, yes, we had revenue , but we also had the expenses of maintaining it. So on a net basis, it really wasn't significant, you know, maybe $20,000, $30,000 a year in net revenue. But it would go up now, right? Back into maintaining the Yacht Basin, the Rosen Park area for boats. And that's what it was used for. Still is. But that would be increased now since we have a larger footprint. So with the cost of so with the cost of the of the maintenance and the cost of maintaining it would also increase with the cost of the footprint. Okay. Okay. That's all I have. It real quickly before I go to Council Member Donnell, just wanted to clarify, make sure everybody understands. I think one of the things that staff was trying to present to us on this particular slide here are item two and item three. Item two is, you know, if we alter the public service tax. And I know I didn't reference that in my previous comments. So I just wanted to make sure that that's something I would not support altering the PST. But when you look at item three here, and I think the reason that they presented this to us, just by changing from a 95 to a 98% methodology, that's going to free up re occurring every year $1.9 million. And I think their thought process here was simply that $1.9 million, we can apply that to the debt of that $18.3 million and the amount of $1.2 million annually. And that still leaves us about $700,000 annually to apply for debt for some other type of project moving forward. So I think what they've pretty much tried to do is say, hey , look, we can debt fund this, these projects this way. We can do that, we can use our designated fund balance here . And if we change our methodology from 95 to 98%, we can utilize that money to pay the remaining $18.3 million. And still have a little over $600,000 to $700,000 annually to apply for some other type of debt into the future. What I recommended was, hey, let's wait and get through the process of the P3s, because we know we might generate some monies, and see if we could do a revenue bond there on that $18 million. Take a look at if there's any fund balance at the end of this year. But still know we have that $1.9 million sitting there if we change our methodology, our financial policy. And we can utilize that to pay for that $18 million. So what does that mean? That means we're not paying for that at an additional expense, because we're just applying a different methodology in our financial policies that allows us to have the $1.9 million that we don't have today. Just want to make sure that was clear for everyone. Go ahead, Council Member Donnell. Thank you, Mayor. You know, this will be my last time on this one, Council. Thanks for bearing with me today. You know, I always tell you all, no good deed goes unpun ished. Because if you look on this slide right here, it's the number nine. By going to that policy on one end, yes, we're generating that money, but trust me, there's savvy people out there that say, "Oh, well, that means you can charge me less on my millage rate so you don't capture that extra." You know, no deed goes unpunished. You just can't win. No perfect legislation. But I want someone out there to send that to me. But I certainly support this number three just for the Council's consumption that I will definitely not support. But when we first put in the three-legged stool way, way back when, we had it at 10%. And to try to do that now with today's electric prices, electricity, that just won't float, and I wouldn't support it. So in summary, though, this is it. Would you go back to slide number eight? I mean six. So we started out the macro, we're setting policy, and the question was, what are all the projects? Here we are. So the only piece that I have here, if you look down there, so I am in total support of the proposed 2026, 2027. What Council Member Stanky said, I hope that Sears and to each and every one of us, we are on strong financial backing. We keep getting awards to the city. The professionals are doing the work and we are reaping the benefits. So what you all are doing, keep pushing forward. You can figure out to keep us where we need to be. The only thing I would add, though, is I'm supporting those as far as future projects. The one that I don't mind looking at is the fire stations. So I'm just putting it out there on record. I'll come back. I think Council, though, just to show a good faith, I would like to take that carry over. And let's just put that money, and I'll listen to however you would like to do it. But yes, in the bigger picture, it won't impact us. But I just think to get the public, let's know we had that left over. It's out there. So let's apply it. And I would love to apply it to that J.C. Park and just wipe that slate clean and move forward. But at any rate, for the purposes of what we're here for today, I'm in total support of all of the projects using the cash at a minimum of 29.9. We pay you all to give us the best way to make us look better and keep us financially strong. I lean on you for that direction. Of course, we'll make the decision. And in the future projects, I am certainly in support of fire station. And that's all. Thank you. Council Member Kilring. Yeah, I just want to go back because I kind of let it off. I was very direct in what I was saying. I haven't changed that position. It's pretty much reflects what the mayor said, with the exceptions that I didn't comment on the PST. I was eliminating that. I didn't want to have that, so I'm parallel to him. And in addition to that, I said that we would figure out a way to pay off that 18.3, whether by some bonding mechanism . I'm sure only a primary to that would be the commercial paper route, unless we find another income source that would do that. So I'm still on the same page, and I just want to clarify those points so there's no question about what my position was. The public service tax was included, just depending on where the conversations went. I just wanted to have it there, just in case it was an option. But the amendment to the financial policy, that is definitely something I would like a consensus on, and we'll move forward with that. Yeah, and I evolved into this position, because I originally was thinking maybe that we needed to hold back a little bit more. But the thing that pacified me in one-on-one discussion is learning about the stabilization reserve that we have already executed, and probably would likely be doing into the future. And that allowed me to free up my mentality about being able to stabilize the debt service around that, and still do these things. And do it in a manner that preserves our bonding ratings. So I'm happy with where we are. I appreciate what you guys did and all your work that you put into this. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I see no other lights on. Mr. City Manager, did you get the direction that you're looking for, or would you like us to go down the line here and try to clarify? Yeah, I mean, as of right now, I have three that are in support of the $65 million issuance, and two that have said use the cash as staff recommended. I've heard a couple of council members say use the cash to reduce the 65. So I do have some diversions in work councils that it would be helpful to know where we need it. We don't want to have to come again and have another discussion. Right. Council Member Caduce. Thank you, Mayor. And I just want to clarify my position on that. It's because we're already looking to have an overage once again. So when we're going into our budget workshop next week, even we will be planning for who knows, maybe 20 million surplus, which we would buy down the fleet facility, which seems to be all of our, you know, what we say is a need. Along with the other items that are listed here, we can pick and choose and categorize them the right way. But that is why I'm choosing exactly what our city manager said. We have projects that are commercial paper right now that are done. They are completed. They're operational. They're running. And we have an unrestricted fund balance. So I think it's silly to take out the maximum amount of debt for those four projects when we can go out to the market with less. That's why I stand where I do. Thank you. Can I just make sure we all understand that for this budget cycle, for fiscal year 27, the budget cycle we're in planning for next year, at the January workshop, I presented to you the estimate of unrestricted or unassigned fund balance that you have to utilize to apply to any of these projects. That won't happen again until next January. So at the end of this fiscal year, whatever is estimated to be unassigned really won't be available for consideration until fiscal year 28 budget cycle. And so that is typically when it's presented to you all for consideration because we have to go through the audit. And our audits are typically done. It begins, you know, January ends. We get the audited financials by March of next year. So that is presented to you January for consideration in the future budget. So as far as the budget workshop mentioned for next week, the 29.9 million of unassigned fund balance that has already been presented to you for use for possible use. And that's what we're doing today. But what where we in this fiscal year is really for consideration for fiscal 28 budget cycle. Okay. Councilmember Steinke. Thank you, Mayor. Mr. City Manager, just so however you're keeping tally over there. If we go to slide nine. I am not in favor of increasing the PST. I am in favor of moving from 95 to 98. And I believe the very last page there, page 13. I am in favor of supporting ordinance 27-26 and supporting resolution of the PST. I am not in favor of increasing the PST. I am in favor of moving from 95 to 98. And I believe the very last page there, page 13, I am in favor of supporting Ordinance 27-26 and supporting Res olution 106-26. And how about the projects that are listed on page 12? Because I think that's one of the questions they're asking about today. After careful consideration and listening to my other council members and input from staff, I am okay with using the whole 29.9 and the 10.5. That brings us down on this slide down to the 18.8 in debt. Okay. So why don't we start down there with Council Member Dono. I think we've gotten Council Member Steinke's position, but we'll just move on down the line here to make sure the city manager has got a clear understanding. I concur. Go ahead. I concur. Same. I concur. Yep, me too. So I'm no on the PST. Yes, on the 95-98. And I'd rather spend the money on the four projects and the ordinance. It doesn't really matter what I say because you've already got the whole line. Okay. Council Member. I'm sorry. Mr. City Manager, you get your direction you're looking for . I do. And as a reminder, those items were the move to next meeting. The resolution and the ordinance. So that'll be on there. And then we will work on, in addition to that, we also moved the fleet, C-MAR, and the engineering to that meeting as well. 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Thank you. from the last council meeting and that was in reference to and I'm gonna give the resolution number it's two resolutions resolution number 7-26 and resolution - resolution 122 - 26 that was ultimately denied at the last council meeting and then only moved to a further discussion at this committee of the whole meeting so because it was denied it was never really put on for continuation of that discussion at our next regular council meeting which is scheduled for June 3rd at 4 o'clock in council chambers so because of the denial the proper legal process for for this it would be a motion for reconsideration I haven't yet identified who's on a prev ailing side of that motion for reconsideration but all that I would ask if there is consensus for the clerk to add these two items as unfinished business resolution 7 - 26 and resolution 122 - 26 with the understanding that there would be arguably a motion for reconsideration of that those two items are you looking for from a consensus from this body a consensus from from you all least at least five of you okay all right councilmember Kil ring yeah I'd support that requirement thank you mayor I guess probably mr. City manager I see your light on let's go to you first I just wanted to say and that was my mistake I had referenced that that was delayed to the next meeting in that break I was advised I made a mistake in what I said and it was actually voted to deny in that past so I apologize for that and I know I'm not perfect I I like shade at night and also I was advised that there is some captain's walk at the Everest boat ramp it's not a launch lane and recover dock but there's there's captain's walk there and Rosen so that point councilmember Steinke my apologies on that as well all right so I guess we'll just go down the line in lieu of our conversation today to at least get those items on the agenda and then my understanding there you'll still need a motion for reconsideration at that point yes it'll be just for the purposes of adding it on as unfinished business based upon the conversation that occurred today and the general agreement of the of the council and but it will require a motion for reconsider ation that will be required for it to be seconded and voted on all right councilmember cadu thank you you said resolution 7-26 this was not a motion to deny it was a motion to approve and it failed and also this says fleet maintenance and property management facilities my issue with this was the verbiage I understand that's something that would have been corrected on reconsideration okay it wasn't a motion to deny it it failed it failed but it still would require a motion for reconsideration I find it interesting that we're talking about this at a cow when you didn't do this for other motions to reconsider for other items the only reason I am bringing this up is based upon your discussion today at this committee of the whole so if there is no interest and you could certainly not agree with it but I'm hearing the consensus of the council I'm trying to provide that legal guidance if you disagree with that you could certainly disagree with having it put on for reconsideration of course thank you and in essence really we don't even have to add it we could just someone could make a motion to reconsider uh but I understand what you're asking for today uh is to just uh put it back on the uh agenda to have a discussion well you all had a full-on conversation regarding this specific matter references about it being heard on the third so I'm just trying to correct that if there's no interest for that so be it okay all right so with that being said I guess we'll just go down the line to at least just add it to the agenda to have a uh discussion and uh it would have to be a motion for reconsideration made anyway at that time so start with council member could do no and the reason being is because we've never had this discussion about any other regular business meeting the reason why we're talking about it and that resolution has mixed verbiage in it it would need to be cleaned up it should come back as a whole new resolution actually thank you uh council member long I guess his response to that was that it could based on the discussion that happens at the next meeting yeah of course okay that's fine I'm agreeing with it yes all right thank you I appreciate that all right let's move on to the uh next uh item of discussion which is uh item 4a number 4 jc park concessionaire term sheet and I will turn that over uh to mr city manager to start with thank you mayor um the concessionaire that I've been negotiating with uh has been away uh since last week and uh only arrived uh in town either this morning or last night I spoke with him uh so at this time I have uh no update to provide all right is this something that uh we may be able to also add to next week's meeting do you think you'll have yes I've let him know about the two items uh we just weren't in an ability to to meet and you know discuss the two items I let him know assignability was an issue as well as the uh repayment of of the building structure considering the 20-year term or 15 and a five-year term if he elected to leave it in year 15 so I have let him at least let him know what the two items were that are still a point of contention uh we just haven't had a chance to meet he's been out of town but we are we are definitely planning on getting together prior to next week's meeting and I should be able to have that resolved by then all right so we could add this uh madam city clerk to maybe uh unfinished business for for next week's meeting please yes thank you all right let 's move on to item five is north three utilities extension project update and I will turn that over to staff good afternoon mayor and council bill corbett public works I'm here to discuss with you an update for the north three uep all right so the north three uep we are wrapping up the design currently currently at 98 percent and the bid the bid packages are currently being prepared to be advertised a little bit later this year so currently we have 14 lift station contracts in two master pump station areas which total eight construction contracts these packages are combined based on the areas which are local to each other and the thought there is that we are able to break it up into more paddle palatable pieces for contractors having 16 separate construction contracts obviously would be a a large undertaking for a firm especially when those areas are smaller so they are combined for construct ability economies of scale and various other benefits the packages are being prepared now and they will be competitively bid using our invitation to bid process through our typical procurement method and we will utilize the same delivery that we did for north one east and west design bid build so our goal is to issue notice to proceed for construction by december by the end of this calendar year and so this is to keep the project on track and of course this project has a variety of benefits addressing both developmental concerns as well as more importantly environmental concerns this includes septic densities water shortages aquifer issues there's also private side improvements which are yielded by residents like fire protection capabilities more reliability on a system when there's a natural disaster better resiliency during a storm further more we can activate different corridors with the availability of municipal utilities that does allow for further economic development so we set the date to have construction notice to proceed by the end of this year and so we are working backwards to get our meetings scheduled to bring forth the assessment the homeowner meetings and the construction contract awards by the end of the year so at this point in time we are proposing a special city council meeting on september 28th 2026 and construction notice to proceed december 20th 2026 and this is along the same timeline as the north one west project as well as the north one east project was let and with that i'll answer any questions you might have okay i'll open up for any council discussion any council discussion or any uh concerns relating uh to this matter uh council member could do thank you mayor so uh mark mason sent us an email last night and i'm curious to know why we believe that it's piping driving the cost up well i think that uh the construction cost of the uh the construction cost of the uh the construction cost of the construction cost of the construction cost of the construction and this uh would also be reflected in other indices you'd see out there such as the enr construction cost index and some others i think his intent was to show that over a period of time although you may have undulations up and down the trend will always increase over a certain amount of time when it comes to construction costs and more specifically in in our meeting you had asked what are the benefits to to doing this before letting the new council get elected and then going on hiatus and then hearing it uh that you had said can you have quantify the benefits so the the reason for those charts was to say over time all the charts are indicating not just on pipe on ductile iron on asphalt that goes you know the bitumen that goes into the asphalt the hdpe and the cost of labor all go up so delays over time uh increase the price so that was that was it was in response to your your question about benefits to doing but he sent pipes and it looks like when you look at it that it's apparently labor cost increase i'm sorry when you're actually there should there should be four charts that you got not just one right i believe it was uh fuel and bituminous it was hdpe it was ductile iron and labor and labor and those those are those are i mean that's it you've got ductile iron under the roads you've got uh fire hydrants riser pipes you've got the hdpe you've got the cost of labor and then the the um they um what was the the other one the fuel and bit uminous yeah which goes into the road to asphalt so that's an asphalt production and trucking costs right it's across the board price increases mainly for labor so how do you know that it's material driving up the cost without the material cost breakdown in all of this those are based on indices historical cost indexes that we have plenty of data there's a variety of sources out there fdot fhwa engineering news record a variety of resources out there to tell us how there's growth in labor and construction material costs i would say that the increase in cost of construction projects as a whole not just in cape coral this is nationwide worldwide it's a function of time and it's a combination of labor rates and material costs and logistical costs trucking fuel things like that so it's it 's that cumulative effect that you see incrementally increasing these project costs over time so we have a special city council meeting so that we can approve going out to the market to take out bonds on this is that correct i believe the intent is to issue the construction notice to proceed before the end of calendar year 26 and starting at that date working backwards puts us to the dates that we've requested and are tentatively scheduled are there more rfps that have to go out all right pardon me rfps that need to go out um like a request for proposal at this point we'd be issuing invitations to bid itbs okay so just back me into why we have to have the special city council meeting because we'd like to issue the construction notice to proceed before the end of calendar year 26 calendar year 26 ends on december 31st we'd back up there's hiatus before that then we have the construction contract awards that we need to get issued in order to get that notice to proceed we need to go through the whole and whole entire procurement process related to bonding insurance verification of business licensing before that it needs to be approved by city council before that we need to have a homeowners meeting for the public to explain to them the assessments and the hardship opportunities and a variety of different things before that would be the initial meeting for the assessment so you have that cadence you have a gap that's required between your initial and your final and we like to we even go a little more than the statutory minimum because we like to afford homeowners the opportunity of that homeowner meeting to make sure that they're well informed so we take out the bond and then we let it sit i can let them there's two parts here one is doing the invitations to bid getting the prices determining the special assessments so we don't want to go out and issue a notice to proceed unless we have the resources and they've been identified in setting the assessment for the future so that we don't want to be able to do that if we don't have that in place as far as issuance of bonds that won't be until 2027 probably around may or june thereabouts but that's for the issue why the rush before the end of this year this fiscal year like asking naively this is actually to get the the programming back on pace north three yeah so the utilities master plan does indicate some target years for the uep right now we're tracking the completion of north three and then rolling immediately into the start of north six north six is going to be contingent upon the construction of a wastewater treatment plant that we currently have under basis of design and so what you have is each of these areas need to pump through each other if you will to get to the plant that's why it's critical to make sure that we're able to construct these things in sequence in accordance with that adopted master plan why did we get off pace hurricane Ian through the project the the program off about a year only hurricane Ian at this point in time from my my knowledge from north 1 west then east then here we are today yes it was from hurricane Ian Bill and the delays with the north 3 road and the roundabout at tropical

Welcome to the Community Redevelopment Agency meeting. Today is Wednesday, May 13th. This meeting will now come to order. Please join me and stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Let's see. Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll? Yes. Dunnell? Here. Bunther? He has been excused. Caduc? Here. Kilrain? Here. Lehman? Here. Long? Here. Lastra? Here. And Sankey? Here. Seven present. One out. Thank you. All right. Let's see. Next, we have changes to the agenda or adoption of the agenda. Can I have a motion to adopt the agenda as presented? So moved. Second. Thank you. Any discuss? Let's see. Main motion. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Great. Motion carries. Let's see. Copies of the draft, regular meeting minutes from March 11, 2026 were included in your meeting packets. Can I get a motion to approve the March 11th? Motion to approve March 11 minutes. Second. Second. Okay. Fantastic. Let's see. Yes. All in favor? Aye. Any nays? All right. Motion carried. Citizens input. For input on matters concerning the City of Cape Coral Community Redevelopment Agency, are there any members of the public wishing to speak? We have one. We have one? Okay. Fantastic. Hi, Stein. Hello. All right. My name's Stein. I live in the Cape Coral Yacht Club since 2016, and I've come before the CRA board to applaud its efforts for its continued revitalization of the urban core and to keep going. We need projects such as Slip Away, the Bimini Basin, Bim ini Square, and the golf course, and even the Cape Coral Yacht Club. Even though it's not in the CRA boundary, I think it should be, and we'll get to that in a minute. I had the privilege of speaking to a few city planners from around the state regarding the growth and management of Cape Coral, and I was pleased to hear from the city manager, they hold you in high regard, very capable, resourceful, and very creative. But they say we have two main problems. One, the vast majority of our constituent proletariat is financially conservative, limited government, and just has a general healthy mistrust of government as a whole. It creates a dichotomous situation for growing cities such as Cape Coral and the subsequent increased budget it needs to meet the needs of its citizens . This makes your jobs very hard and difficult, creates tension, animosity, directed to you staff, or to you staff and council. As a business owner myself, I do subscribe to the ideology of self-determination and limited government. However, a sense of cognitive dissonance is developing within myself. As a home health provider, I drive around the city and I hear residents complain about the same things over and over again. We all want this sterling silver-plated city with streetsca ping and curbing and entertainment district. But we all want this on a shoestring budget. Good luck. The other problem, according to these city planners, is we need to improve our business development. Unfortunately, we have no direct connects to I-75. And according to these city planners, Fort Myers is running circles around us. These planners state that we are a service, tourism, and bo ating community. This is our identity. This is our business. This is who we are. So projects such as JC Park, which you guys got tremendous backlash for, needed to be done. It's not perfect. And it's not done yet. You need to activate the water, get the docks built, which leads me to the yacht club, which is very contentious, unfortunately. A lot of residents around the city, specifically in District 6 and 7, they don't give two bleeps about the yacht club. So I propose, if it's possible, I'm not an expert, expand the CRA boundary, include those high-value properties within the Cape Coral Yacht Club where I live to help fund the yacht club and even projects in the future, like the golf course, because those are funding issues that we will need to address. So I'm not an expert, but I propose that. The CRA boundary has been expanded in the past. I'm proposing that we, or suggest, the city look into expanding the CRA boundary, include that yacht club and those high-value properties to help fund those projects like the yacht club. I have too many high-net-worth neighbors that come, they move in for a few years and then they leave because it's the city, the urban core is not quite where it needs to be yet. But it's changing. So keep your foot on the gas. We have the Cove, the Bimini Square is happening. We're on the precipice of great change. And I know you guys have a thankless job. I'm here to say thank you. You guys have it hard, very hard. I can't imagine doing this. So I just hope you take my suggestion to consideration. If it's possible, expand the CRA boundary and you can kind of help mitigate some of those naysayers of the yacht club. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Yes, ma'am. We've got one more. Okay. Marie Cavanaugh. Ms. Marie? Marie? Yep. Marie Cavanaugh, take out the trash committee secretary. I want to talk about the budget here. I'm looking at some entries here that could be taken out. And you could save, if you follow these recommendations, you'll save almost $6 million. One is the CRA Country Club Medians. I've spoken before about the medians, their wants, not needs. And then we've got the parking lot on Vincennes. You're taking away all the green space. You're paving Cape Coral over. I don't even want to begin to think what this place is going to look like when we get a big storm. Where's the water going to go? I live in the South Cape. And it's, you know, you're just paving everything over. Why can't you use, they make concrete blocks. It looks like almost a floral pattern in them. Why can't they lay those in the parking lots? It's going to allow a lot of drainage. That, you know, paving it over is not going to get done. And are you going to charge us for that parking? There's another one. But you've got the CRA Landscape and Beautification. That's almost $200,000. You know, it needs, you maintain it, but you don't need to spend it. And the Palm Tree Median Beautification, almost $32 million . And you, it's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. It's just a big, giant waste of money. You could take that money and get that all fixed up really nice, so when you start the renovations, that will already be done. But no, no, this guy's got to spend frickin' way too much money. And I also have a question, where did I put it? There it is, for the city manager. And I would like an answer today, and I think you all up there deserve it because you voted on this. I want to know when the city manager was made aware that the value of the Bimini East purchase would be less than half of what we ended up paying for it. I would like to know that. I went through all the CRA videos that were available online. No mention. A very brief mention of somebody said, well, what about, you know, what's it going to be like? What about, you know, what's it going to be worth? And he just kind of glossed over. The $25 million was never spoken out loud. And I want a response. This is our money you're spending. You're spending $2 million a year, you know, covering the mortgage on the property. Thank you. All right. Any more citizens input? Citizens input is now closed. Do we have any council discussion on citizens input? You're going to go ahead and see what's going on. You're going to go ahead and see what's going on. 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I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. Okay. Commissioner Steinke. Thank you, Chair. You know, this morning's citizens input is probably the best example of one of the greatest challenges we have in our city. We have we have one citizen saying, invest the money. Go long. The city is in need of the amenities that that the Yacht Club represents. And another citizen represents the other side of the story, which is don't spend the money. And nothing could be clearer than to just have two citizens communicate this morning with those two opposing sides. And the two don't live in the same in the same world. I happen to be on the side of invest and make things really nice. That that is where I am. I have no problem sharing that that's where I am. Just a couple of pieces of the puzzle with some answers for the public. The Vincennes parking lot was all part of the big scope of widening Cape Coral Parkway. And with the loss of the parking that we would have on Cape Coral Parkway to make it wider to ease traffic congestion with the new bridge coming and to six lane Cape Coral Park way, we were losing parking. And so paving the area there for the Vincennes parking lot was to help replace the parking that is necessary for our businesses in that area. So that's the purpose of that. Not not to pave paradise. Secondly, the boat ramp. Secondly, the boat ramp. I'm a boater. I'm sensitive to the boating community. Nobody's wanted the boat ramp replaced more than I have. Although it's involved in the entire project of revital izing the Yacht Club and the replacement of the seawall and the docks inside. I've used that boat ramp where it sit, where it sat. And I think many boaters will agree with me that when the winds were where they were coming from, it was dangerous to launch the boat and it was dangerous to retrieve the boat. Both for human life as well as the actual boat and trailer and vehicle itself. So part of the redesign was so that we could put that boat ramp in a safer location. And so we could expand the beachfront to accommodate more people. So the redesign that includes the expansion of our beach, which I think everyone will enjoy. And also the repositioning of the boat ramp that is being accommodated by the work that's being done now on the seaw all and the new docks that will be put in. So accomplishing two things increasing public safety and increasing amenities of a beachfront area for our citizens to enjoy. That's why the boat ramp hasn't been replaced yet, but it's on its way. Thank you, chair. All right. Thank you. Mr. City Manager, could you please answer Miss Marie's question? I know you've answered it before and I know that it was decided and you clearly stated in a previous meeting that the reason that we are spending 45 minutes 45 million was due to the fact that we had buildings and the potential developer would come in and spend less because there were no buildings. Could you reiterate that? The answer to her question is we knew that the value was going to go down before we even acquired the properties, before we even had the first meeting with the developer. Whenever you demolish a building, the value goes down. It's basic economics. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you both for speaking. And I think that was a great analogy that Commissioner Steinke gave. And we are working hard to make sure that we do have a balance. And I personally love the new medians on Country Club and so do my neighbors. Every time I walk in the mornings, they come out and they see me and they comment on how good they're starting to look. So I really appreciate that. All right. Moving on. We're going to go on now to new business and we have the fiscal year 2027 proposed budget presentation. I'll turn this over to staff. Thank you. All right. Good morning, chair and commissioners. My name is Nicole Raitler. I am the budget administrator for the city. Thank you all for joining us today to walk through our fiscal year 2027 community redevelopment agency budget. So as we begin the process for our community redevelopment agency budget each year, there are a few things that we have to consider first. We do this when we do all budgets. First is our financial policy number one that we are required by law to be structurally balanced. Structural balance means that current revenues equals current expenditures. Another item that we focus on specifically within the CRA is that this is a special revenue fund and that by statute, we are required to spend or allocate all current year fiscal dollars that year. So each year we do come back on a budget amendment and if there are any additional revenues received, we recognize those and we allocate or spend them so that we are within our financial structure and that we were per requirements to spend. With that being said, your fiscal year 2027 proposed budget is at $7,711,956. Within each of those items, our current revenues, we have our tax increment. That represents the dollars coming in from Lee County. Within our charges for services, this is a new bucket you see a little bit of money in this year, $300. It's very small at this moment. That's where your parking garage revenues are going to be hitting. At the moment, the parking garage is just getting up. We're just starting to see a trend of actuals heading. This is a number that will be adjusted in the future. Being mindful that with the additional revenues, there will potentially be additional expenditures. They're currently monitoring that program, but we are starting throwing a little bit of money into that bucket, but we will be reevaluating that. Within our miscellaneous, those are things like bank investment income, any items that wouldn't fall into our other buckets. And then our transfers in represent the transfer in from the general fund. Within our expenditures, we have our standard categories, our personnel services coming in at $341,000, operating at $3.5 million, and our transfers out at the $3. 8 million for a total overall budget of $7,711,956 for fiscal year 2027. Going a little bit more in depth within our CRA budget, focusing on those revenues, as I stated, the Lee County tax increment revenues that we receive, those are based off of millage rate of $3.7623. Within our transfers, we have that general fund transfer, and we adjusted that to reflect the city's millage of $5.14 71. For our personnel, we currently have four full-time positions. In fiscal year 2026, we had five positions, but on a budget amendment, we did remove one of those positions and send it over to code compliance. So those expenditures moved from personnel over to operating for the CRA to still cover the cost of that code enforcement officer. Within our operating, we do have our TIF rebates, which include our CIPLWay and Bimini Basin for $1.8 million. We have economic development incentives for $545,000, which in the current fiscal year we are on trend to spend. Central services include enhanced services for policing and code enforcement for $647,000. And then we have our project management services for $180, 000. For our transfers out, we have our loan payment for the C ove parking garage for $1.3 million. We have about five years left on that. Our annual debt payments for Southeast 47th streetscape and Bimini East are $2.6 million. We have one year left on Southeast 47th, and then the Bim ini is under commercial paper. And then lastly, we are installing a sidewalk in Vincennes for $80,000, where we put the transfer in out to the capital projects. For the CRA, we have a list of capital projects that I know they present and walk through in depth at each meeting. Our current budget is $15.8 million. To date, and this is the most update we've pulled through April, we've spent $4.4 million. We have $1.56 million encumbered to spend, leaving us with $9.818 million. As I stated, we added a new capital project in fiscal year 2027 at the direction of the executive director, installing a new sidewalk up of a Vincennes for $80,000. I know that CRA will go into more depth on each project if you have any follow-up questions. We will be bringing back this budget in July for final approval, and I'm here for any questions. All right. Yes, sir. Just one more thing in closing. We did it. The resident who spoke earlier about cutting these projects and saving these monies. By statute, we are not allowed to have a fund balance in the CRA. Every penny that we bring in has to be identified and budgeted for a project in the CRA. So we could, if you don't want to spend the money and you want to generate savings, then you need to basically dis band the CRA. But that's not our goal. That's not what we're trying to do is redevelop. So I'm just wanting to know, there's no let's not do one and save the money. Every penny has to be budgeted for a project. Thank you for stating that. All right. Let's see. Commissioner Steinke. Thank you, Chair. Not a question, but just an observation and comment. You know, certainly the parking garage was an investment in our area and meant to be there to supply the parking for our citizens to support the businesses and enjoy that downtown area that we have been at work revitalizing. And I want to thank you for being conservative in your revenue assessments there. I would certainly be expecting that you come back with a larger number than that down the road. But for planning purposes, I appreciate the conservative nature in which you included that new revenue source. So thanks. Okay. Mr. City Attorney, I see your light on. Yes. Thank you very much, Chair. I just need a motion by you all approving the recommended budget that has been presented by you that's consistent with our protocols. Motion to approve recommended budget has been presented. Second. Okay, great. Thank you. Yes. Madam City Clerk, can you call the roll? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that presentation. I'm happy to see that we are under budget on some items. So that's always a good sign. And again, I'm really pleased with the progress that was made on Country Club with those mediums. All right. Let's see. Seeing no follow up items for Executive Director. We're going to move on to reports. So we'll start with code compliance updates. I'll turn this over to staff. Hello. Good morning, everyone. How are you today? Great. Jeff Colon with code compliance. I want to just share what you're seeing on your screen there. Some of the stats that I had from the beginning of March to the end of April. And while you're going over those, I have a brief summary of that. So a total of 108 code enforcement cases were opened during the reporting period on March and April. Of these, the two most addressed violations were health and safety and safety and safety. And the two most addressed violations were health and safety and safety and safety. And the two most addressed violations were health and sanitation consisting of 49 cases which involved blight conditions to include litter, debris behind buildings and alleyways, around dumpsters, outdoor storage of items which are not necessarily junk but should be kept indoors anyway. The second was signs consisting of 31 cases which were attributed to sign violations including but not limited to A-frame sign display after business hours, general maintenance and or missing signs as well as lack of sign permitting. During some of these investigations, secondary violations were discovered such as a business operating without a BTR or unpermitted structures on the property. The unpermitted structure violations were subsequently turned over to the building division for further investigation and enforcement. In summary, of the 108 cases opened, 100 or approximately 93% were successfully complied and closed, reflecting the strong progress in addressing community compliance and enforcement efforts. Lastly, of the 108 cases opened, 95 or approximately 88% were as a result of proactive activity. So I have a couple of before and after slides here of some of the work that was done over the last couple of months. You can see some of the cleanup that's been done. This one here is the bait shop which had a refrigerator outside of it which they were talked to and they removed the refrigerator from the outside. So I think that's a good question. Jeff, that refrigerator and freezer, that was the same day as the other community fridge that we addressed, right? Yes, all those cases were open within a matter of a couple of days of each other. So I know we got a lot of attention on one refrigerator down there but they actually got all the outdoor refriger ators and freezers at the same time. And here was an example of another outdoor refrigerator and freezer and you see that this one went away. This is an outdoor display of merchandise at one of the outdoor furniture stores there. This was a food truck that had set up shop at one of the local businesses right off Cape Coral Parkway. He thought he could vend from there. He had permission to vend there in the parking lot. However, he thought he could just leave his truck there which he can't. So he was told to move on and pack up the equipment and store it someplace else. This is another example of the mobile food vending, food vendors which left their equipment at some of the local businesses. Here they had permission to vend at nighttime when the bar was open. However, it was left there during the days and when the bar was not open and they were not vending. And that's all I have. Any questions? All right. Thank you. Hang on one second. All right. Commissioner Sankey. Thank you, Chair. Just an observation that I want to make sure people made. We've heard in other meetings and other venues about the only way that violations in codes are addressed and taken care of is by citizen reports, citizen complaint. And the concern that since it can't be done anonymously that things don't get reported. And of course the inability to be anonymous would be breaking state statute. There's been some comments about that. State statutes are what they are. I just wanted to draw attention to your slide number two. When you, you know, when you consider the fact that we had opened cases of which 95 of them, the absolute vast majority, were all by proactive patrolling and addressing by our code enforcement officer is a testament to the fact that, no, we are paying attention. We are going out and not just in the CRA, but across the city as well. But, but thank you for the time that you take. And the, you know, there's, believe it or not, there's quite a number of miles inside of the CRA when you travel each, each one of the roadways that's in there. And so thank you for taking the time to do that and having a universal approach to items that, that need to be taken care of and cleaned up and the way in which you do it to that. That's evidenced by the number of closed cases that the people obviously are responding well to the education that you're bringing and, and their, and their willingness to change once they, once they know the rules. So thank you. Thank you for that. That's it, chair. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much for your report. Go ahead. Okay. Zach Gogol, CRA project manager. We didn't move on to the next item on the agenda, so I just ... I'm sorry. Sorry. CRA maintenance report. Thank you. Sorry. My bad. I fell asleep up here. No worries. Still learning. That's all right. Good morning, commissioners. What I have before you is our maintenance report showing what our great maintenance team has accomplished, some of the items that they've taken care of since we've last met. Here below is our great maintenance team. Although George Holiday has now accepted a new position with the city, he's now in Parks and Rec with their special events division. So we wish him luck there, and we will now look for a new trade specialist for the CRA. So again, we drive down every road, every alleyway. As commissioner Steinke had mentioned that, you know, there 's a lot of miles in the CRA, and paying attention to detail to every single mile is very important to us. So we make sure that we bring that level to all areas within the CRA. Here is an alleyway that is off of Del Prado, and we have a fence line here with some residential. Sometimes the residents don't get behind their fence line in between the fence and the alleyway. And for us, it's a couple minutes to buzz down and take care of it. Every once in a while, we do, if we see excessive issues with the overgrowth, we do partner with Jeff and Code Compl iance and make sure that we do educate those residents as well. And other times, just to expedite that enhanced look and to remove the blight, we just go ahead and take care of it. So here you can see on the left side, the overgrowth, and the right side is taken care of. It also helps with stormwater as well in the alleyway. As the alleyways are pitched, most of them do not have drainage. So any kind of water within the center point has to make its way all the way to the end of block. So when you have growth and dirt within that pitched area by the curb there, it prevents the stormwater from running to the road and takes a little longer for it to dry up. So it's an important thing for this time of the year before rainy season that we're looking to address. And we do have a few more slides here that take a look at some of the other things we've been looking at. Additionally, off of Club Square, there are three pocket parks. There are pavers that connect within the outer blocks. And so within these three, we went ahead and pressure washed them. So you can see on the left side there is kind of the before on the left side of the left picture and then the after on the right side there. And then you have the full look on that right picture of what it looks like and that enhanced look that we're looking for in the CRA and what our team is looking to accomplish in there. Here on the left side picture, we're showing some over growth. We do have city right-of-way crews that do mow the right-of -way, but we like to assist them from time to time, especially as we get into rainy season. And it may be a little bit more difficult for them to keep up with the workload. So we take care of that as well. We also go through an edge, give it a cleaner look for the sidewalk, eliminate any kind of hazards that may be there. Here you can see an inaction shot on the left of some ed ging or weed whipping to remove the overgrowth that's going over the curb into the gutter. Again, that limits the amount of water that can pass through with our stormwater systems and creates blockages during that rainy season. So another item that we're trying to accomplish. And on the right side there, you can see the street blown off right before he's going to blow the sidewalk off. The better and more enhanced look and also functional aspect that we're looking at as well. We did celebrate an Earth Day. All of us within the CRA building did. Somebody had to take the picture, so I'm not in the bottom picture with everyone else. But that's our great team there. We went through Cape Coral Parkway. We took care of some extra vacant lots. I do want to note this is something that we typically do on a daily basis. And, you know, we do provide that enhanced value where we 're eliminating the trash. I will point out that you can see Gwen in the bottom picture there having a good time with us as well. And that's what I have for the maintenance report. And I will take any questions that you commissioners may have. Thank you, Zach. Do you have any? Oh, Commissioner Steinke. Thank you, Chair. I hate to be the lone wolf today, but I did have a question on this one. On slide seven, I noticed that tree is in some tough shape as far as it being leaned over. Who knows, you know, how it happened, when it happened. Who would be responsible for writing that tree so that it's not imposing on cars or, you know, people that would be walking by there? So within that image there, I'm not on site, but it does look like it may be the business owner that may be responsible for that within their property bounds. But that's something that we'll have to talk internally, and I'll work with the code to see on that tree. Okay. Yep. All right. Thanks. That's it. All right. All right. Seeing no other comments, we'll move on to the last report, which is our CRA project report. All right. Again, Zach Gogol, CRA project manager. What I have before you is our project report. It's a lot much smaller, leaner, but we have some pretty good projects on it, and we're moving forward on all of them, and we're happy to present where we're at. Move that out of the way there. So our first two projects are the Vincennes Boulevard parking lots. So they went through the site development review, and within going through that process, we are trying to limit the amount of stormwater that we are installing within those two lots to reduce some of the costs. However, there will be additional costs that will cancel itself out, but we will have some savings with the CRA stormwater credits. So we're working with our stormwater department and the South Florida Water Management District to determine how we can get those credits to install less of the infrastructure for those stormwater improvements on those two lots. And we just had a meeting yesterday, or stormwater did with the South Florida Water Management District that I have not followed up on yet. And I look to do that this afternoon to continue the progress on these two lots. Again, as mentioned, these two lots were designed to replace the parking lots, or the on-street parking that are being removed on Cape Coral Parkway. We're removing 56 parking spaces on Cape Coral Parkway with a six-laning project. And these two parking lots on Vincennes, this one, the North one on Vincennes Boulevard, and the South one here on Vincennes Street, will provide 58 spaces. So we'll have an increase of two parking spaces within just those two. Not to mention that we added the diagonal on-street parking on Vincennes Street, which increased five spaces. We have another 125 spaces within the cove, and another 125 spaces within Bimini Square to provide 314 new spaces within the CRA. With those 56 removed, that provides 258 net spaces within the CRA. We have the Big John's request for interest. This is on the Big John's parking lot. We did submit to procurement on Monday to send out this RFI to provide, or to find if there is any interest to develop within that parking lot of Big John's. A couple of the items that are within that RFI is to double the public parking spaces there to provide, provide a network or a gateway, kind of a promenade in between the adjacent structures, and then to also provide a trash or compactor services for the adjacent structures as well, as Big John's currently holds common dumpster enclosures for those adjacent parcels. And here's the image of the project and where it's located. And then we have the club square compactors enclosures. I did receive the staff cost proposal from the consultant yesterday, so I will be reviewing that this week, and then we'll be going through and working with them to fine-tune that staff cost proposal, and then come forward with the design of the compactor enc losures and compactors within club square. So we are moving forward with this project. And again, I know this has been an ongoing project as we started in Big John's and then moved over to club square due to the RFI, but we are seeing some significant progress , which is good. We have the Cape Coral Parkway six laning signal retiming and parking project. There was a pre-construction meeting on April 15th and a notice to proceed on May 4th. And we did expect the construction to start this week, which I believe has. We've also seen that communications, we thank their team for sending out different blasts to notify the public of lane closures on Cape Coral Parkway as well. And then we expect a substantial completion of this project by October 31st, just in time before season, in the holidays and the different events that we will see on Cape Coral Parkway. So that is the goal is to get this completed before it interferes with any kind of event with the season of the CRA. Then we have the Country Club Boulevard median landscaping. We are close to 80% completion of this project. That 20% that has not been completed is where the current burrowing owls sit. Once we get out of nesting season and working with our consultant when we're able to take those nests, then we'll be able to complete the project. But that won't be until the end of July into August, I believe, for the completion of this project. Here are some pictures. Again, we show pictures from a few weeks prior just because of getting the material together for the packet and the presentation. I will say that mulch and sod has been added to these locations since these pictures have been taken. But we are progressing greatly on this project and it's a beautiful asset to the CRA, which segues into our next project that we had the Palm Tree Boulevard median landsca ping project. And we did go out to bid for the civil portion of this project, but the lowest bid was unqualified to perform the work. So we gathered, refocused, and what we're going to do, we 've already submitted a procurement, is to send out a new bid package for us to go out for both civil and landscaping at the same time instead of separating the two. It will reduce the amount of time on the project and it should reduce some of the cost as well. And again, this is the current state of that Palm Tree Boulevard median. We had the Cape Coral Parkway Streetlight retrofit. This project's almost done. We had to send off 23 poles to be repaired at the manufacturer. We had received out of the 166, we had 23 that we received that were damaged. So they were sent up there either fixed or replaced and rep ainted. Much of the damage was scuffing to the paint. And so we have received those now as of Thursday last week and we're moving forward to install those 23 poles. And we should have had that completed within the next two to three weeks on this project. And then I have the Bimini Basin mooring field. So staff responded to an FWC additional information. And then there was a submittal and acceptance of the Lee County Manatee Protection Plan permit. And this project's moving forward. And again, for what we're showing here, this is just design and permitting. And then the approved budget is not expected to change and we're expected to be within it in budget. And this is a city-funded project as well. And here's what that mooring field looks like. And you can see the bump out for the current docks that exist at Bimini Square. And it shows those 15 more locations. Then we have the Founders Park Captain Walk. This project here, we went out for a formal quote process. And then the lowest responsive bidder for the quote, I should say, that should be quote, was approved at $77,000. So we currently have this issued in a process to get a PO for it. And then we'll move forward with the Captain's Walk over at Founders Park. So that should be moving forward here shortly. And again, that's the location just north of Club Square off of 46. And it's right there on the canal. Perfect. Then we have the Palm Tree Public Square. We approved the, or the CRA board approved the amendment back at the March meeting. And then budget had to approve it at a city council meeting because the city council has to approve the CRA's budget. And once that was approved, then we put in the requisition for the PO. And the PO was just issued yesterday. So we were scheduling a meeting for next week to kick off this project and continue with the design. And take what we had that concept design into a more formal construction design plan. And again, this is that concept that was selected and what we will be moving forward with for the construction design. And then we have Bimini East. Negotiations are progressing and the solicitation remains in the cone of silence. And I did change this image here to reflect that all four blocks are the same color that one does not stand out from the other. And that is what I have for the project report. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Well, you have a couple of commissioner comments, commissioner to know. Thank you, chair. I appreciate the presentation. I wanted to say that the piece, the city manager wanted to add. Oh, Mr. Executive director. I'm lost to what I'm supposed to say. Thank you, director. Thank you, director. Thank you, director. The comment that you made about the monies and what has happened, is that somewhere whenever anyone starts to begin their journey on the budget, that posted something. That was huge, the fact that the monies have to be spent and allocated. There's no, is that somewhere as a person starts to look into the budget that, okay, as you start to look and hold us accountable, which you should understand, is that somewhere that statement? Because that rocked. Yes, and we'll get it to all of you all and we'll see if we can find it during the meeting. Okay. And last thing, commission, how our city looks matters. And I will say to you, people constantly make comments about how the CRA looks, right? They talk about how it looks and it matters. And yes, there is a balance in there, but I just want to let you know, I personally received comments about just how nice the area looks. So kudos to the staff and to count to the commission continue to push that that vision forward. That's all here. Thank you. Okay. Commissioner Kilrain. Yeah. Thank you, Zach. Great, great summary. Just had a question for you. We saw in the budget where we got transfers back from, from Lee County. Now, a portion of some of this money that's coming in on the projects is really out of Lee County's pocket. Do you have an idea what that percentage mix is for some of these projects? Just on average? I do not, but we can provide that to you. Yeah. I mean, I've run numbers before and it usually runs like 20 , 25%. It's that high of an increment that they're supplying to it . But yeah, if you could confirm that. I just want to get a feel for what it is on an ongoing basis. Yeah. And what we can provide is what's going into the CRA fund from the city and the county and provide that percentage. But what we use for the projects is, it comes directly from the CRA fund. Okay. And also, what was your drop dead date for the RFI response on Big John's parking lot? I do not have that at the moment, only because we haven't sent it out. Once that gets sent out, then that date will be published. Okay. And then just a general comment paralleling with Commissioner Darnell said, I think the downtown is looking great. I mean, it's it. We got ways to go, but you guys have come a long way in what you're doing down here. Really quite an improvement. So appreciate all the effort. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Chair. Commissioner Long. Yeah. Thanks, Chair. All right, Zach, which project am I going to pick on? Compactors. Oh, it's the. Here we go. It's the. Here we go. It's the parking lot. Um, 46, 42 parking lot. So I guess I, I continues to just baffle me and this actually predates you being here. I believe we started this project. If I see correctly in 2021, it's a 40 space parking lot. Mm-hmm. Can you kind of give me a rundown on how we're still here? Like, I mean, it's still not done six, five, six years later. So yeah, this, you're correct. This project's been around for quite some time. I believe it's gone through several project managers. Um, it continues to run with a separate project manager than myself. Um, but, but I can tell you, um, originally, uh, there was some, I guess, issues with the irrigation for the project. I, I guess I didn't foresee some of the irrigation that needed to be done with it, but I can't speak on the entire project. Um, but that's something that we can provide a timeline of this project and what it's gone through if needed. And the stormwater credits. And the stormwater credits. And the stormwater credits, which we're standing still right now because we have not gotten clear direction from the South Florida Water Management District on how to utilize the credits, uh, at this time. That's the, that's the major holdup, is the South Florida Water Management. The, we had an operating permit for a master stormwater plan in the CRA. It expired. We went to renew it. They've, it's been years. So we're, we've gotten multiple staff members involved. We've gotten, uh, we've had lobbyists involved. We've got, uh, engineers involved. And it's only affecting this particular project. I'm sorry. It's only affecting this project. No, it's affecting any project in the CRA that needs a stormwater. So in fact, I had an update yesterday that just, they've become like the army core of engineers. So as recent as Monday, I got an update that they transferred reviewers and their new reviewers trying to change the permit application again. So when did that expire then the stormwater? Probably seven years ago. Eight. Okay. Yeah. I mean, something's not jiving. You know, we, we, we built the entire, we didn't, somebody built the entire cove, uh, in less time than it took us to build a 40 space parking lot. Um, so I mean, some, I understand what you're saying. I'm sure you could show me something on paper that says that's true, but people are still building in the CRA, uh, and many things much more significant than a parking space. So I just kind of want to figure out, I mean, this really kind of permeates, in my opinion, a lot of the things that we have going on in the city. It takes us five or six years to build a 40 space parking lot. Um, I just, it, it continues to baffle me. Um, and, and again, I'll tell you, we've, so if you, the co ve probably was seven or eight years in the making. So the difference that you all have and what you all see up here is that you are starting all the way at the beginning of inception. So you have to go through the, the planning portion, the design portion, the permitting portion. So, you know, you're going to be able to do that. So, you know, you're going to be able to do that. You're going to be able to do that. You're going to be able to do that. You're going to be able to do that. You're going to be able to do that. You're going to be able to do that. You're going to be able to do that. You're going to be able to do that. You're going to be able to do that. 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It's not that somebody brings us a design set of drawings permitted, ready to go, and we're trying to implement it. And then if you have any hiccups externally, you just add time to that. So Army Corps water management permit. But outside of all those, just a standard capital project, it is easily 48 to 60 months. For a parking lot. I mean, I know I get it. I get it. I'll say in boxes new checked. It's just, it's bizarre. Okay. Look at, look at Bimini. Look at the Bimini mooring field. And that's the same thing. Still, still on hold with the court. We had to pivot and use an alternate, the mooring anchoring limitation area, just to try to accomplish what we needed. We had to use a different legislative venue to get that accomplished, to get boats kicked out of there while we're still in permitting process. That started in 2017, I think, or maybe even before that. Yeah. Can we figure out real quickly the budget? So I'm looking at the same project. Back in September 11th of 2024, the update stated that the expenditures to date were $407,919. And today's update is somewhere around 70 grand. 73,566. Which one are you on? Same parking lot, 4642. Today's update says the expenditures to date is 73,000. September 11th, 2024's update says the same project's expenditures to date is $407,919. Good morning. So most likely the difference is going to be that we included encumbrances as well as our Vincennes project has both together. Both parking lots that he's talking about versus his slide breaks it out onto two slides. So one will be combining those two slides, but then also potentially depending on what numbers you're talking about, we may have included the encumbrances as well as the actual s that were paid out. Okay. Yeah, if you combine them both, it's somewhere around 120, 000 on today's list. So we're a couple hundred thousand short, but I guess that 's what you're saying is the encumbrances as well? It could be, yes. Possibly? Can we figure that out please? Yes. Somebody? So. Not right now, but. No, but on the presentation previously we do have encumbr ances for, it's 136 and 32, yes. So just for that one, it's about 170,000 combined. So it could just simply be, but we can definitely look and get the exact amount and send that to you guys as well. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. That's it. Thanks. Okay. Commissioner Steinke. Thank you, Chair. Just a couple things. One is I was driving down Lafayette and Miramar the other day and I just got to tell you the lighting project that you've been involved with really makes a huge difference. And in my meeting with staff this week, I'm hoping that our economic development department recognizes what a draw that should be to the increase in participation in that area commercially that we're striving for in the city. And so that street light retrofit, the light poles look better, the colored lighting looks better. It really makes it extremely attractive there. And just a comment about the Bimini Basin mooring field. I think it's awesome that we have, you know, when we talk about activating our waterfront that we have the new restaurant that we have on the water there. I've happened to go there about three times so far year to date since they've opened. And just a thought, a comment, the signage on the way into the basin is very, very clear about people entering the limited anchoring area. And once we have the actual mooring field established, just a thought would be is on the, you know, on that signage on the way into the basin that we might want to have a, maybe a QR code or something on there that a boater coming in would have quick access to, how do I access a mooring ball? You know, who am I respond, you know, and instead of maybe just a phone number, but to actually have the rules that when, when a, a boater enters that area, so they know what their limitations are. They know how to access a mooring ball, how long they can stay. So, so maybe just because one of the things that I know that code enforcement deals with is a lack of understanding and lack of knowledge of the rules and how things work. And certainly a boater entering that area, they're not really in a position to get on their computer or, you know, to, to have a pamphlet that identifies the rules. So some quick access to what the rules are, how to play by the rules, I think would be a great thing to have on that, on that marker as, as you enter the basin. Just, just a thought. But other than that, happy that things are moving along and , and commissioning along. I too am just baffled by the bureaucracy that it takes to get things approved. And the fact that some of these permits, dredging permits included water management permits, that they're required to expire before we can attempt to renew. It's just amazing to me. And so I, I, I'm too, am challenged by that and just wish it could get done and hope that we can get it done quickly. Well, with the, with the water management district permit in the South Cape, it's a completely different animal. So typical construction of what you normally see outside of the CRA is each individual property has to contain all the water on its site. So what lands there needs to be captured, conveyed, stored, treated, and then, and then released. What we have in the CRA is a master permit. And we're trying to get developments to build lot line to lot line, right? You want an urban dense core. And so what we've done is we've, we had all the way back to , I think 2006 or seven, a permit that allowed properties in the South Cape to take their water off their site into the right of way. And in the right of way would be exfiltration trenches. So it allowed them to maximize 100% of their real property instead of using it for stormwater treatment. That permit was in place. A lot of the developments that you saw that went up relatively quickly, didn't need to go get a water management district permit. Cause we, we had essentially what was like a carbon credit system. So we built out an initial seed of those, of those credits on the, during the Lafayette street parkway system projects like the Cove. I don't, did the Cove buy into the system or did they build their own? Well, let me go take a little set projects like Starbucks and some of the other newer items that you see down there. Basically, instead of having to worry about permitting for water management, just bought the credits that were available in our system. Other projects like the Bimini Square, when they're doing the road projects, they're actually building out parts of the system. And then those were going into a bank. They would consume what they needed, but then it would, it would go into a bank. When we went to do the most recent permits for some of the bigger projects, that's when the district told us that they only issued a capital permit and didn't never converted it to an operating permit. And so we initially argued and said, that doesn't make any sense. You, you were issuing an operating permit to run a carbon credit type system. How could you say the permit was only good for five years? It's intended that this lasted in perpetuity and we had a ledger that would, we would add to or take away from. So we had to then reengage an engineering firm to read basically re up that permit to, to turn it into an, a long term operating permit. And we've been, that's what we've been struggling with for years. And so any of these projects that, that need stormwater credits or, or building parts of the system can't do it yet until the whole thing gets done. So most of the work that you're seeing is either demol itions or remodels in existing buildings. And we can, that's a, we can go over a whole, the whole history of that as well, if needed at a future date. Thank you. Okay. Commissioner Donnell. Okay. Commissioner Donnell. Yeah. Is there anything within our circle of control that we can do as a commission to help shorten that? About four or five year window. Cause that is stunning. Here. Is there anything we can do to help shorten that, that timeframe? So, and I'm just going to go through it real quick. You have the budgetary process to even start a project procurement and the department heads cannot even begin the project without having an identified budget. So when we're brainstorming ideas and let's just say we want to have an, another parking lot somewhere else, we'll just call it parking lot X. We have to get it in a budget. So it needs to be in either a budget amendment or this budget. So let's say we just pass the budget and we need to do a budget amendment. We would have to identify funding that could take anywhere, at least right now to get on the next budget amendment for this one is you're not meeting for another two months. So there's two months. Then budget, it gets approved. Then budget has to create the project, establish the account, open, you know, get that done. Then public works or Zach will start writing the specifications. That spec writing could be depending on complexity, 30 days to three months of spec writing. Then that goes to procurement. Procurement has to put it in the advertise, advertisement package. And then it goes on the street for 30 days. Then it gets brought back into whoever the department that was that spec wrote it. To evaluate for award. That could take 30 days. Then it's got to get advertised for award on a council meeting or a CRA meeting. You meet every two months. So at minimum, if it happened to be a month that you were meeting, could be one month, could be two more months. So we're at a year right there before the design can even start. And then that is 300, you know, nine to 12 months. At the same time, you get that done. Now you have to go in when the design is done. They can submit at 30 or 60 percent design. But typically the agencies want a final design before they 'll issue the permit. Because they want to know exactly what you're doing, what the calculations are, what the impacts are. So now you submit for permitting. If it's a city site development permit, I bet you the site development permit for the parking lots are basically done. Right? Yeah. So what we're doing is we're, if it's a city permit, we're looking for land development codes and, you know, engineering design standards. How's the water connection? Where's the fire line going to be? What's the lighting elements? But if you're dealing with water management district or Army Corps of Engineers, you're tied up. So now you add that process, then the project just sits. The project is just on hold. You'll see updates. Just awaiting permit, awaiting permit. If you get any review comments during that, now you've got to go back to the engineer to address all the comments, possibly do some redesign. And then you come back to finally getting the permit. Now when the permit's done, now the project itself can go out to bid. So now you have to take all your bid specifications, all your elements that you're going to be having contractors bid on. That needs to go into a document, get sent to procurement. Procurement does the same thing they did for the design element up front. Puts it in a document available for the public, advertises it on the street, 30 days. It has to get set up on a council meeting, could be a month , two more months after that. Eventually you all make the award. There's a pre-construction meeting, notice to proceed. And then from notice to proceed, nine months, 12 months, 24 months construction. Easily, four years. That's just the nature of a capital project. I know people think that capital projects are easy and there's some magic button. We're in the same place that the private sector is. Like I said, most of the time what we're hearing from the private sector is from groundbreaking to ribbon cutting. A large majority of the time for that project to come into was well before that. Getting zoning entitlements, getting land use, getting the design, going through the permitting, acquiring the property. In this one I didn't even add property acquisition. So I know it seems long, but you're acting as a developer. You're in way earlier than what you're acting as if you were just going to a ribbon cutting or a groundbreaking for a project. Thank you. All right. Commissioner Kilbrane. Yeah, just a parallel to that from private industry. And you may have already answered this. I think you said that you were able to co-mingle operating and capital credits into some, but that got truncated somewhere along the line. What happened was apparently on the district side, they said that they issued a capital project permit. And those have a shelf life of five years. Okay. So the initial project was issued to construct for Lafay ette. I still don't necessarily believe what they told, told us because there was no way for us to have an operating permit for a carbon credit type system. Lafayette was over here. We had the master permit over here. There were two different. So -- Yeah, and I definitely -- I was going to address the carbon capture system that private industry used because I got fenced in on this thing many times in that you'd have a capital project and an operating credit. You couldn't even increase capacity unless you had enough carbon capture operating credits to allow you to increase that capacity. And the fallacy in that a lot of times in the refinery operation was using biofuels. And biofuels had a lower BTU content than anything you're going to use out of the refinery. So it was cheapened the fuel from a value standpoint, but it was required because they wanted to help the farmers. Okay? So it was just a political move to do that. But they had a separate system for a capital project in that you had also carbon capture credits for a capital project that might replace a system that was producing more carbon and CO2. So you were able to use the project separately from the operating, but you couldn't commingle. And it sounds like the state or the water district had originally commingled and they'd stopped it. It's kind of crazy, but I relate to it. So thank you. All right. Zach, just really quickly, the new parking lots that will be completed eventually that are to take the place of the parking we're running. We're moving from the parkway. I know I can't remember if it was in one of these meetings or in a SeaTac meeting where we had talked about potentially having some shuttle availability, whether partnering with like an electric car service. Is that something or did I dream that? That may have been something that was mentioned in SeaTac, not within the CRA. Okay. I'm only asking because I have a meeting tomorrow with the restaurant owner in the CRA who's very vocal about the parking concerns. And given the older demographic that comes during season, her concern obviously is them being able to walk from those parking to her establishment. So I just wanted to have an answer, but I'll look that up. I'll look it up in a former meeting. Thank you. All right. Moving on. Do we have any comments, additional comments from the board ? All right. Seeing none. Time and place of future meetings Wednesday, July 29th CRA regular meeting at 9:00 AM in council chambers. Do I have a motion to adjourn? So moved. All right. Motion to adjourn. Meeting adjourned. Meeting adjourned. Meeting adjourned. Meeting adjourned.

Okay, welcome to the regular meeting of the Cape Coral Youth Council. Today is May 8, 2026. This meeting will now come to order. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Administrative contact Greg Lynn, please call the roll. Thank you. Before I call roll, I wanted to let you know that there's going to be two excused members, members Jax and member Moran, and I will mark them so. Member Wayne will be arriving after roll call. When I call your name, please say here. Brown? Here. Vice? Here. Abash? Here. Hacheveria Campbell? Here. Jackson? Here. Michalina Fernandez? Here. Nice? Here. Sanchez? Here. Salemi? Here. Trulio Garcia? Here. Turo? Here. Vargas? Here. Wayne? Two excused, 10 present, one arriving after roll call. Thank you, Ms. Griglin. Item four is guest speakers. There are currently none. Item five is any changes to the agendas. So for every meeting, you will have an agenda, and I think you have a copy of today's agenda in front of you. With the agenda, you can remove items, you can add items, you can rearrange items. So at this particular time, are there any changes to the agenda that anyone would like to make? Do I have, and now we're to the point where we get a motion and we get a second. And the best way to do this is to raise your hand if you ever want to make a motion or if you ever want to second it . So do I have a motion to adopt the agenda as presented? Member Sanchez? Do I have a second? Member Bice? Member Bice? So Member Sanchez made the motion. Member Bice seconded it. All in favor, raise your hand or say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Next is item six, which is a review of the meeting notes from the last meeting. I know many of you weren't a part of that meeting, but I hope you had a chance to review them. You know, the meeting notes are basically a recap of what happened at the previous meeting. As you go through this year, and those of you that will have a second year, you will always have meeting notes. And as we get further along, we'll explain who takes those meeting notes. So are there any changes to the meeting notes? Do I have a motion to adopt the meeting notes as presented? Member Brown, do I have a second? Member Jackson? Member Brown made the motion. Member Jackson seconded. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Item seven is recognitions and achievements. There are currently none. We'll move on to item eight, which is advisor presentations , which is usually me or will be me. Typically at this time, I will kind of give you a recap of city council meetings, past city council meetings, and the big things that they're talking about right now to help keep you in the loop of, of what they're doing. This past meeting, obviously the big discussion for them continues to be the rowing club and where they might go. That is an ongoing discussion, I think, and will probably continue to be an ongoing discussion for right now. But I will move on beyond that to Council Lazon Laster, who is joining us remotely. Hi, how are y'all? So sorry I can't be there in person. I had some responsibilities at my other job. But welcome to all of you. And I'm so looking forward to working with you. And I think to the seniors, incoming seniors, they can guide you and warn you. It's going to be a busy year. We're going to have a lot of fun. So I look forward to our next meeting when I can actually see you in person. That's all? Do you want me to give them an update on Council? No, I talked a little bit about it. I know, you did. I don't want to go into it. I'm done talking about it. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. If you want to add something from Council, go ahead. Well, I mean, like Advisor Hayden stated, and he's a great team member to have on our team here. He and his wife, Joanne, do a lot with this group. But I think he summed it up pretty well. We're still trying to figure out a location for the rowing club. Sadly, in 2020, the then Council, which I was on, voted to put them at Tropicana Park. I had two years off from Council, came back in 2024, and all of the funding was approved for it. And sadly, when it came time to vote for the use agreement, we were a split Council, which means we were a 4-4 vote. So at that time, any motion that's on the floor does not pass because it's even. So sadly, I was on the yes side. I wanted them to go to Tropicana Park. I'm not a fan of spending additional tax dollars if we don 't need to, and we had already budgeted for that and for that home for them. So now we go back to the drawing board, which will be in the form of a Council of the Whole meeting. Those meetings are different than actual regular Council meetings. We don't take votes at those meetings. However, we discuss different topics and different issues, and then we give guidance to staff on what we'd like to see brought forward that we can then vote via resolution or public hearing. So, and we're also going into our budget. Our city currently has a $1.4 billion budget. So there's a lot of moving parts to that. You may hear your parents or some other adults complain about increase in taxes. And, you know, we are a unique community. We are a pre-platted community, which means that we do not have large plots of land for commercial growth. And what that means is any commercial growth we do, we have to be very strategic because we want to bring our commercial tax base up. Because currently we are still 92% ad valorem funded for our budget, which means those of us that own homes, our property taxes and taxes go to covering services in the city in terms of our general fund. And we are 8% commercial tax base. To give you an idea, the city of Fort Myers is almost 50-50 . I think they're at 55% ad valorem and 45% commercial tax base. I don't know that our city, because of its uniqueness with pre-plats, that we will ever be that. But that's why it's so important when you elect officials to your city or to your state or even your federal offices, that they are doing the work for the residents to try to limit that tax burden on those of us, especially that own homes and live in our city. So our budget's coming up. We have a couple of budget workshops that we'll be participating in. And we'll talk about potential ways that we may need to modify our budget and be able to bring some decisions forward that maybe we need to cut some things out of our budget so that we can finish some projects. And I think that's it. If you have any questions, let me know. Okay. Okay. Any questions at this point for Council Member Laster? No? Okay. Thank you, Council Member. We'll move on to Item 8B, which is one of my favorite parts . An overview of the Sunshine Law and Public Records Law. To give that presentation is Assistant City Attorney Charny . Hi. Can you hear me? Not sure if it's being picked up or not, but I will try to talk loud. Sounds like it's on. Yeah, it's on. All right. So I'm Assistant City Attorney Charny. I generally work for the city in terms of labor and employment law. However, I do focus on a lot of other areas. And I will be the youth council's legal council for the remainder of this session. In terms of the Sunshine Law, it's enshrined in Article 1 of the Florida's Constitution, as well as in Chapter 286 of the Florida Statutes. It basically requires three main things, which is that meetings of the public, boards, and commissions are open to the public, that reasonable notice is provided of such notice, such notice is provided of those meetings, and that minutes of those meetings must be taken. Most important to the youth council, though, are the exempt ions to the government and the Sunshine Law, which is that fact-finding committees are exempt from the Sunshine Law. The youth council, through the city's code of ordinances, has been designated as a fact-finding and information gathering. Thank you, sir. Information and fact-finding authority. That way, you are not subject to the Sunshine Law. This means, in effect, that you can discuss issues that are presented here outside of the meeting without running afoul of the law. You know, what this exemption really comes down to is that you can only gather information and fact-find. You can present those findings to the city council. However, and most importantly, you cannot provide any sort of recommendation based upon those findings. All you can do is give the facts and allow them to do with it what they decide to do. With regard to public records law, however, also derived from Article I of the Constitution, as well as Chapter 119 of the Florida Statutes, public records law generally requires that any record, regardless of its form, is created in connection with official business, which is meant to perpetuate, communicate, or formalize knowledge is a public record under Florida law. Most importantly, the public records law does apply to the youth council. That is, there is no exemption from public records solely because you are a fact-finding committee. I would caution that any dialogue you have on any matter that comes before you is either done, you know, as an oral dialogue between yourselves or through the city provided email. That way we can more easily preserve those records for public inspection. With that, I will leave that there. It gets a lot more into the weeds and we will not open that can of worms at this moment in time. Okay, you ready to move on to the next can of worms? Yep. Okay. Item 8C is Robert's Rules of Order, which pretty much governs, which you procedurally, and you can't go through a meeting. So, go through a meeting. And again, I turn the floor over to Assistant City Attorney Charnam. I apologize in advance if this section is a little bit boring. However, it is what governs these proceedings and allows you to effectively and efficiently move forward with your business. So, again, our code of ordinances provides Robert's Rules of Orders will be the guideline by which you run your meetings. You do not have to follow them to the T. However, you should at least adhere mostly where you can to them. Parliamentary law encompasses the rules and presidents governing the proceedings of deliberative assemblies and other organizations. Parliamentary rules are meant to protect the following. The rights of the majority to decide. The rights of the minority to be heard. The rights of the individual member. The rights of the absentees. With regard to the roles of the chairperson and vice chair person, later on, you'll notice that the Youth Council shall be holding elections for two positions, the chair person and vice chairperson. The chairperson's role is one of impartiality. The purpose of this is to ensure that the parties on both sides of any given issue will feel confident and that they are receiving a fair treatment. The chairperson's role shall also include maintaining order , enforcing the rules, conducting business in a calm and objective manner, and providing clarification when necessary, and focusing the group and not allowing irrelevant discussions. The chairperson will be responsible for presiding over all meetings, setting agendas, organizing backup materials with advisors for all meetings, distributing meeting notices and backup materials to the administrative advisor, and representing the Youth Council at necessary events. The chairperson further distributes all necessary documents , including the agenda, prior draft minutes, and any relevant backup materials. With regard to the vice chairperson, they're responsible for keeping track of members' attendance, recording summarized notes of each meeting, and distributing attendance and summarized notes to the administrative advisor. The vice chairperson further assumes the duties of the chairperson in their absence or if a vacancy arises in the chairperson. During the meeting, the Youth Council shall follow the agenda and adhere to parliamentary procedure. This includes having only one individual speak at a given moment. The chairperson will recognize the speakers by saying the chairperson recognizes and then that member's name. Before any vote on a given item is taken, it is essential that we determine whether a quorum exists. Currently, with this body, that would be eight individuals. My understanding is that we are attempting to look for an additional member, and if that is successful, we will then have a new quorum of nine individuals. But as it stands, eight individuals constitutes a quorum for this body. If a quorum is present and an item requires a vote, then there are procedures which must be followed when taking a vote. First, the member will state the question by stating, I motion that and then whatever it is that they would like to make a motion on. So, for example, you know, I motion that we hold an ice cream social for the youth of Cape Coral so that we can better get to understand their worries. And upon making that motion, the item must receive a second or the motion dies. After the motion, the chair will state it is moved and second that we have an ice cream social for the youth of Cape Coral. Then the debate will begin. Once the debate ends, if no one objects, the chair will proceed with a vote. The chair will ask, are you ready for the question? The chair will then state the question. The question is on the adoption of the motion to hold an ice cream social for the youth of Cape Coral. While there are a number of ways to cast a vote, to ensure all votes are properly accounted for, the best way to do this would be a showing of hands, which is a quick and easy way to ensure everyone's votes are properly accounted for. The chair will state, all those in favor of the motion, will you raise your hand? Then the hands will be counted. The chair will then state, all those opposed, please raise your hand. Then the hands will be counted. Finally, the chair will then announce the vote. So for example, there are 10 in the affirmative and 7 in the negative, the motion has passed or is adopted. Or there are 7 in the affirmative and 10 in the negative, and the negative has it and the motion is lost. With regard to motions themselves, there are main motions and secondary motions. Main motions are proposals that certain actions be taken or an opinion be expressed by the group. It further allows the group itself to do work. Secondary motions, on the other hand, are used while the main motion is on the floor. There are various types of secondary motions, including subsidiary motions, privilege motions, and incidental motions, which I will not necessarily bore you with today. However, to give an example, using that previous example of , you know, we motioned to hold an ice cream social for all the youth in Cape Coral, then now that's on the table. Another member will then say, I make a motion to add pizza to that. So now we're doing an ice cream social and pizza party for the youth in Cape Coral. So they've made a motion to change the initial motion. I believe that's probably as far as we'll get in this body, so I would not worry about any other additional motions at this moment. However, the steps to making a motion will be that the member raises their hand and waits to be addressed by the chair, whoever that may be . The chair recognizes that member by stating their name. The member then states their motion, I move to have an ice cream social for the youth of Cape Coral. The chair asks whether there's a second to that motion. The chair, another member will then raise their hand and wait to be called on by the chair. The chair then recognizes that other member by stating their name. The other member then states, I second the motion to have an ice cream social for the youth of Cape Coral. The chair states motion and places it before the assembly by stating it is moved and seconded to that. The chair will then open up the floor for discussion by stating, is there any discussion? At this time, the chair will recognize any members that decide to speak on this topic in turn. After the chair recognizes a member, that member will debate the motion. That member may also make a secondary motion at that time. The chair will then put the question to a vote by stating, are you ready for the question? The question is on the adoption of the motion to hold an ice cream social for the youth of Cape Coral. All those in favor of the motion, raise your hand. All those opposed the motion, raise your hand. Finally, the chair will announce the results of the vote by stating either those in favor of the motion have it and the motion has been adopted too, or those opposed to the motion, the motion have it and the motion is lost. The chair will then move on to the next agenda item by stating the next order of business is and whatever that next item on the agenda will be. Now, finally, meetings can be out of order as well. A meeting is out of order when any of the following occur. The individual members make personal remarks. Members bring up the same motion or essentially one like it . Putting a debatable issue to vote before the full debate has been completed. Debates are not directed to motions, but rather to motives, principles, or personalities. Members yelling out in opposition. Members are not directed to persons who have been adopted. Members are not recognized by the chair. Members are not recognized by the chair. Members are not recognized by the chair. And generally, that is the structure of Roberts Rules of Or ders. That is a simple overview. And of course, I will be happy to help and assist in any way as we go along with these proceedings. Members are not recognized by the chair. Members are not recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. 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Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. Members are recognized by the chair. And the chair. and one fun fact about me is I would like to major in poli- sci in college. My name is Ally Vice. I'm going to be a senior at Cape Coral High School and one fun fact about me is that I'm captain of our varsity softball team. My name is Amira Habaj. I go to Cape Coral High School. I'll be a rising junior and one cool fun fact about me is I have a self- owned bakery. My name is Julia Chavarria. I will be a junior year and I am a student from Mariner High School and one fun fact about me is I would like to become an international lawyer. My name is Landon Jackson. I am a student at Oasis High School and a fun fact about me is I wish to attend FSU College. My name is Mariana Michalina Fernandez and I am an upcoming junior at Oasis High School and one fun fact I would say is that I love music. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. My name is Maisie Nees. I am an upcoming junior at O asis High School and one quick fun fact about me is that I've wanted to be a veterinarian since I was two. Hello. My name is Bernice Sanchez. I go to North Fort Myers and I'm an upcoming senior and one fun fact about me is that I am Cuban American. Hi. My name is Rain Salimi. I'm an upcoming junior at Bishop Faroe and one fun fact about me is I have a charity organization called Wings Without Fear. Hello. My name is Michael Trujillo. I'm from Ida Baker High School. I'm an upcoming senior and one fun fact about me is that my favorite thing is weightlifting. Hello everyone. My name is Jennifer Tuero. I am an upcoming senior at Ida Baker High School and one fun fact about me is that I want to major in health sciences and become a pediatrician. Sorry. I'm losing my voice. But hi. I'm Camila Vargas. I am an upcoming senior at Cape Coral High School and one fun fact about me is that I am a full time dual enrollment student. Hi. My name is Olivia Wong. I am an incoming junior at North Fort Myers High School and one fun fact about me is that I have been playing the piano since I was a since I was four. Okay. Well, thank you. So appreciate that . And we'll move on to item 8E, which is the election of the chair and the vice chair. We're going to start off with the election of the chair. Now, in this particular position, although it's open to anyone, this position typically goes to a senior, incoming senior who has kind of been through the processes for a year, understands the projects that are currently ongoing with the council, you know, can typically hit the ground running because they've proced urally been through it for a year. But again, it is open to anybody. And the responsibilities of the chair include the the council. Represent the council at all functions. Represent the council at all functions. Create the agenda. Script the agenda before the meeting. Owner of all backup material in case something needs to be referenced. Facil itate the meeting with procedural rules to ensure it runs effectively and inclusively in line with the agenda. the chair of the Cape Coral Youth Council for the twenty twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven term you know raise your hand and then once we're done with that we will give you a minute or two to explain why you want to be the chair and around anyone else member Jackson member Turo okay oh Turio Garcia okay okay anyone else okay we'll each give you a short amount of time a couple minutes to explain why you want to be chair we'll start with member Brown hi everyone my name is Emma Brown and I'm going into my senior year at O asis High School this is my second term serving on our city's Youth Council and I'm incredibly excited to start it with you all previously I've had the privilege of serving as the council's vice chair last year learning and observing the responsibilities this position requires from a previous chair Lexi scores act beyond my role with Youth Council I hold a number of leadership positions in high school extracurriculars including vice president of key club vice president of Hispanic Honor Society president of English Honor Society and junior up for a student union these various leadership roles have taught me the value of being a strong communicator well organized as well as a number of other characteristics which will serve me well in this position as vice chair I felt it was my responsibility to attend as many events as possible on behalf of the Youth Council and was able to take part in community service events like the hurricane expo trunk or treat and the holiday lights festival as well as our incredible trip to the National League of Cities which I plan on working towards once again this year I was also given the opportunity to lead a holiday toy drive for children's network an organization dedicated to overseeing foster care adoption and prevention of child abuse and was able to collect over 200 toys for them and then my passion for this organization also stems from my love of law history and politics I have served as a page in both the Florida Senate and the Florida House of Representatives and have entered at the Department of Children and Families under their children's legal services team the opportunities the Youth Council has given me to deepen my knowledge of these topics has been absolutely incredible and I will work to ensure each member has a similar opportunity this year if I'm fortunate enough to be elected as chair I will bring dedication responsibility and leadership and work collaboratively with each one of you to create a positive impact on our community I would be honored to have your support thank you so much thank you member Brown member Jackson my apologies I mis heard you please continue with Youth Council member Garcia I did I do not wish to be vice chair or chair no I thought you raised your I misheard you my apologies okay member Turley O Garcia hello my name is Michael Garcia this is my first term in City Youth Council and the main reason I want to be chairman is because I want to learn and grow and I've made that my personal goal this year to try new things and try to just rack up all that I can do before I die now while I do search to learn and grow that doesn't mean that I lack experience I have officer roles as treasurer in key club I am an NHS I do multiple service events for my school and that is all okay thank you so now what we will do and administrative contact Gregling will tally the votes as we 'll go right down the line and just say whom you wish to vote for between member Brown and member Trulio Garcia member Brown you're first Brown you're first Brown Vice Brown Habash Brown that's a very of Campbell Brown Jackson Brown McElena Fernandez Brown niece I'm sorry say that again Brown Sanchez Brown Salemi Brown Trulio Garcia Brown Turo Brown Vargas Brown Brown Brown Brown Brown Tally the tally obviously is 13 for Brown 0 for Trulio Garcia okay do I have a motion to appoint member Brown as the chair to the motion motion. We have a motion motion. Remember Sanchez, I saw your hand first. Remember Jackson second. So we have member Sanchez made the motion. Member Jackson seconded. Any discussion? All in favor raise your hands. Any opposed? Raise your hand. Motion carries. Congratulations. Mr. McClure, the new chair for the 26-27 Youth Council. Now, we'll move on to nominations for vice chair. This position typically goes to an incoming junior with the intention of learning the process and possibly becoming chair the following year. Again, it's open to anyone. Responsibilities of the vice chair are as follows. Presides over the chair. Presides over the meetings when the chair is absent. Provides support and assistance to the chair to achieve the board's core functions. Keeps and maintains minutes of the meetings. And that's important. That's a key role for the vice chair. And keeps and maintains the attendance for each meeting as well. So I will now open the floor for nominations for vice chair of the Cape Crow Youth Council for the 26-27 term. Member Habash. Member -- is it Nice or not Nice? Anyone else? Member Tru -- Truio Garcia. Okay. We'll give each of you a -- was that it? Okay. We'll give each of you a minute to explain why you want to be vice chair. Member Habash. Member Habash. You can go first. Okay. Well, it is my first term, but I want to become vice chair because I have leadership roles all within school and outside of school. I am part of my school's student government now that I'll be running for vice president there at my school at Cape Crow High School. As well, I help set up for prom, homecoming, pep rallies in my school. As well, I do own my own bakery, which makes me, like, always learn. Leadership, organization, and making the sweets have made me learn. And, you know, I make mistakes, and it helps me learn to make mistakes as well. I like to work as a team. That's the biggest thing that's always, like, on, like, my mind. So being able to help the chair is, like, a big opportunity as well, helping you guys and helping everyone just make sure that they feel involved. And having teamwork is, like, a number one priority for me. As well, I do three sports. I do volleyball, soccer, track and field. And I'm in the IB program. As well, in the IB ambassadors, I'm also running for vice president as well for the IB ambassadors. I do social media for the IB ambassadors and IB program at Cape Crow High School. So it helps me let everyone know that they're informed and knowing what's going on within the program. And I wish to do that here as well. And I just hope to, you know, make everyone have, like, fun here. That's it. Okay. Thank you, member Habash. Member Nis? I believe that I would be a suitable candidate for vice chair because I have a number -- I have a number of volunteer roles. I'm able to work with people very well. I have over five years' experience working with children and teachers and assisting the teachers in anything that they might need. I think that I could be a good second to the chair and I think that I could provide lots of help. Council is very important to me, although it is my first term. I'm very excited to work with you all and I think that I could be a good leader. That's it. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, member Nis. Member Trulio Garcia, do you want to stick with what you said earlier or do you want to add something else? You're certainly free to. I'd like to add something else. I'm not one to back down. I have over 200 service hours. I'm a participant in my community and I'm willing to do what it takes to make it better. Okay. Thank you. So we have three candidates for vice chair. I'll now turn it over to Ms. Griglin to tally the votes. Thank you. Okay. So we're going to follow the same format when I call your name. I'm either going to hear from you. Habash, niece or Trulio Garcia. Brown. Habash. Weiss. Habash. Habash. Habash. Habash. Habash. Habash. Habash. Habash. Habash. Habash. Habash. Hatcheveria Campbell. Habash. Jackson. Neese. Michalina Fernandez. Neese. Neese. Neese. Neese. Sanchez. Habash. Sanchez. Habash. Galini. Neese. Trulio Garcia. Habash. Turro. Habash. Vargas. Habash. Habash. Habash. Huang. Huang. Habash. Huang. Habash. Huang. Huang. Habash. Huang. Habash. Huang. Habash. So I've got four for Habash. I'm sorry, nine for Habash, four for Nice, and zero for Tr ulio Garcia. Okay. Do I have a motion to appoint member Habash as the vice chair? Motion by Brown. Second by Turro. We have a member Brown made the motion member. Member Turro seconded. Any other discussion? All in favor, raise your hands. Any opposed? Raise your hand. Okay. All in favor, raise your hand. Any opposed? Raise your hand. Any opposed? Raise your hand. Any opposed? Raise your hand. motion carries. Congratulations, member Habash. 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We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. We will now change seats to the vice chair. Item 9 is citizens input. This consists of input of citizens on matters concerning city government. Three minutes per individual. The council will listen to all speakers and respond after all speakers have made their presentations. I will now read the pledge of civility. We will be respectful of each other even when we disagree. We will direct all comments to the issues. We will avoid personal attacks. Citizens input is now open. Any members of the public wishing to speak, please use the podium to the right facing the dais and state your name for the record. Is there anyone else wishing to speak? Seeing none, citizens input is now closed. We will now move on to item 10, quarterly report. Item 10A quarterly report. As part of our backup material, we were provided with a draft calendar when we present our reports to the city council. Do I have a motion to adopt the quarterly report calendar as presented? Member Jackson. Is there a second? Member Bice. Member Jackson made the motion. Member Bice seconded. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Perfect. Item 11. Chair, I'm so sorry to interrupt you, but we obviously have a lot of members that have no idea what the quarterly report is. So let's just back up and explain what the quarterly report is first. Okay. And what the calendar means and then we can vote. Okay. So our quarterly report is essentially a meeting or we present to the city council. I think it's every three months just updating them on our project, specifically our junior and senior project. And then any other things that we've accomplished in that time period. Like for example, we went to the National League of Cities in Washington, DC. So our last quarterly report was primarily on our experience, what we saw, what we learned. And let me pull up the calendar. So in your backup material, if you click on the link attached to the item 10, it'll pull up the calendar and you can see the dates. So if you, anyone has like, there's a date that conflicts with everyone's schedule. If you want to take a look at your calendars. Ms. Griegland, do you want us to pick the dates now? We're not going to pick the dates. This is just a reference so that you guys can get it on your calendars. So usually there's two, there's two regular meetings of the city council for each month. So when we usually get about a month or two beforehand, we 'll look at the calendar dates. And then as a group, we can choose the date that works the best where the most people can come. But no, we don't need to do it. This is strictly for reference, but we should choose it now so that everybody can get it on their calendar and know ahead of time when the, you know, the meetings are going to at least take place. Okay, perfect. So yeah, so generally we have one in August, December and April. Do you want me to pass? Okay. Do I have a motion to adopt the quarterly report calendar as presented? Okay. It's a good experience for you because you already have a motion, you already have a second. Okay. So what I would do here is ask the motion maker based on what was just presented, do you wish to change your motion? Okay. And if that person agrees, then you can ask the second if they also agree. Then you can proceed with your vote. Okay. Okay. Does anyone wish to change the motion? And then ask for a second for that? Ask the motion maker based on what you've just heard, do you wish to keep your motion? Yes. Okay. And then does the second agree? Okay. Is there a second? I think you had a second. Member Bice. So what he's saying is since I believe it was member Jackson made the motion, you would ask member Jackson, does he still want to maintain the motion he made? If he agrees to maintain it, then you would ask the second who was member Bice, whether she would like to maintain her second to the motion. And then from there, you would take the vote. All right. What he said. Okay. Member Jackson, do you wish to maintain your motion? I wish to maintain the motion. Member Bice, do you wish to maintain your second? Okay. Okay. Now you're good. Now do I move on to the next item or go through the motion again? Take the vote. Okay. Do I have a motion to adopt the quarterly report calendar as presented? Just say it. All in favor say aye. Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion is carried. There you go. Okay. Item 11 is business. Item 11A is rules of operations and procedures discussion. I will now turn the floor over to Assistant City Attorney Chardon. Okay. Item 11B is the 2026 Cape Coral Hurricane Expo continuing discussion. I will now turn the floor over to Administrative Contact Gr iglin. Thank you, Chair. So I think I have a couple members here first of all that was at the Hurricane Expo last year. So I would like to turn the floor back over to you guys to explain it first to the group what this event is. Okay. So essentially the Hurricane Expo was an event hosted by the city I believe. And there are booths in what is it? Which building is it? So this year they're going to have it at the Mercola Market . Okay. So essentially it's a room full of tables with booths of people providing instructions and information on hurricane safety and methods of precaution. And they'll give out just like maybe flashlights or lantern s or other items that you may need that they can just provide to you before hurricane season is in full swing. And we basically help at one of the booths and just hand out items or just assist and set up and tear down and whatever else anyone needs. Correct. I'm sorry, Chair Brown. I'm sorry, Miss Griglin. I believe this year it's at the German American club on the 30th of May. Oh, hey, well, thank you. I've been I truly apologize. No worries. German American club. So it's still on Pine Island, but obviously the opposite side of off of Chiquita. Do I have any questions? No. Okay, so the whole the whole point of the question is, the whole point of the pack up materials if you had a chance to review it is obviously the event is taking place on May 30th. It's from nine to one. And like Chair Brown had said, we go and volunteer and help with the city hand out the supplies. Obviously, we don't answer any questions. We have other staff members are there, but we're just here to assist if anybody needs help, you know, getting in and out, but and also doing the supplies. So what I'm looking for is these will they will supply you guys with volunteer hours. So I was hoping that you guys had already looked at your calendar. And if I had a, could at least get a show of hands of who would be able to participate so I can let that department know in the city that I do have volunteers. Okay, so we definitely have a couple. Okay, perfect. So then just go ahead and keep this date in mind. It's May 30th, 2026. It's from nine to one. It'll be once again at the German American Social Club. And then chair, if you can get a count of who they are so that I can get a group text started and then we'll have a text dedicated to just that volunteering. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. So, we'll have a couple of questions. And then, yes, of course, we'll send you guys updates as we get closer. Moving on. Item 11D is communications director position, backup communications director position. I will turn the floor. Chair, you've got 11C. Sorry, you guys. I flipped the wrong page. Okay. Item 11C is a doctoral discussion. I will turn the floor over to administrative contact for Glenn. Okay. Once again, Ms. Brown, I'm going to put it back to you guys so that you can explain what the Adopter Road program is for our new incoming members. Does anyone want to? Okay. So, basically, our Adopter Road is in partnership with Kee pley County Beautiful. And we clean a one-mile stretch on Santa Barbara Boulevard north from Pine Island Road to Tropicana Parkway. We meet on the second Saturday of every other month. It's at the -- we meet in the morning at the youth center. And then we'll drive over in the city bus to the stretch of land. And we conclude at -- usually earlier than 9:30. Maybe around 8:30, I think, was our general time last year. And then if you can -- if you drive, you can just leave your car at the youth center. But we always have lots of fun. And we're going to have lots of fun. And we're going to have lots of fun. And we're going to have lots of fun. And we're going to have lots of fun. And we're going to have lots of fun. And we're going to have lots of fun. 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Administrative head of the City Attorney? Yeah. Yeah, so what the Youth Council will do is they'll make a motion to produce an application for this position. Once that's approved, then Connie Greglin will assist in finding candidates so that you may interview all of them. From there, upon a simple majority vote, you would decide who that individual would be at that point. So you're not appointing anyone right now. What you would do is make a motion to produce an application so that people can, in fact, apply for that position during this meeting. So that hopefully next next meeting we have some individuals who have applied. We also have the backup communications director position, which is, in fact, a council member or a youth council member. So any of you could either nominate yourselves or nominate someone else to do that position. And again, by a simple majority vote, can appoint that individual to be the backup for that position. Okay. So do I have a motion to produce applications for communications director position and the backup communications director position? Member Jackson, do I have a second? Member Sanchez? Member Jackson made the motion. Member Sanchez seconded. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion is carried. Okay. We have item 11E, which is a ten -- I'm so sorry. I'm going to start moving in here. Okay. So, obviously, I have an application that I have used prior. Do you want -- you guys, as a group, do you want me to pull that application and send it out? Or do you guys want to create an application of your own and start from fresh? Do you want to do it by like a raise of hands? I'm sorry. I'm so -- I cannot hear you very well. Do you want me to do it by like a raise of hands? Sure. Okay. So, raise your hand if you want to do it based off the already made application. Okay. That's the majority. So, we'll do it based off that. Okay. So, what I will do is I will find the application that I have used in the past. I will create the information that is required. And then I will -- well, I guess, do we have to wait for the next meeting for them? Yeah. To review it. Okay. So, then we'll just make sure -- To review, no. Just to vote on that. Okay. So, they could review a prior. Prior. Okay. So, Chair, just make sure that that's one of the topic items that continued. And then, as part of the backup material, we'll go ahead and choose that. Can they do the backup one now or should they wait together as one? I would wait only because it wasn't known prior to the meeting that there would be a vote held on that. Okay. Okay. Okay. Perfect. Okay. All right. Okay. Perfect. So, then, now, move on to item -- okay. Item 11E is attendance at City Council meetings discussion. I will turn the floor over to Advisor Hayden. Okay. Okay. As I think I mentioned to all of the incoming juniors or new senior members that are going to be on the -- that are on council now, you meet once a month. Attendance for me and for you should be a priority. There's a lot -- there'll be a lot to discuss with projects moving forward. And we want to hear from you. You know, your voice is important. Your peers want to hear from you. So, I strongly, strongly urge you to make every meeting. I know you're all busy. And especially when you enter your senior year, you know, things pile up quickly. But these meetings -- these meetings are important for you. And they're important for what you want to accomplish for your community. So, you know, I strongly urge you to make as many meetings, hopefully all of them, that you can. You know, it's important. We -- a couple years ago, there used to be two meetings a month. But we realized that was hard for you to make the meetings. So, we reduced it to one meeting a month on that second Friday. They will always start at 3 o'clock. It will typically last from 3 to 5. It may be quicker. But, you know, it will be up to the new vice chair to keep attendance. And you all will receive a chart, eventually, of your meetings, the ones you've been absent and the ones you've attended. And I love seeing the 100%. We had a high success rate with last year's council. I hope to see the same thing with this group. And I have no doubt that I will. It's important. And, Chair, I think that's all for attendance. Unless am I forgetting something? Okay. Perfect. Thank you, Advisor Hayden. Yeah, of course, we love to have perfect attendance. So, moving on to item 12, next meeting agenda topics. And then -- so, basically, the agenda topics are keeping what we discussed from this meeting that we want to continue discussing or voting on next meeting. So, Ms. Griglin, would I keep the Hurricane Expo Adopter Road Communications Director and not keep the attendance at City Council meetings? Would I keep rules of operations and procedures discussion? Would I keep the -- so, we skipped that one because -- so, what I would recommend is review them on your own. If there are any changes that you would like to see made to them, bring that forward to Advisor Griglin prior to the next meeting. And I would say at least three days prior to so that there is a chance to have it on the agenda. So that you can, in fact, vote on that at the next meeting. And so, it maybe gives me a moment to actually draft the language that's necessary to place in there. Okay. So, for now, just review it on your own. And if there's any changes you'd like to see made, let us know. Okay. And Chair, I made a mistake. We need to go back to item 11E. This particular item was supposed to be about you. Do the incoming seniors remember the discussion about attending the City Council meeting? And then reporting back to this group. At the time, we thought this was important. I think the discussion came up during the joint City Council Youth Council meetings that you all wanted to get more involved with government. And rather than me presenting the report, we thought it would be good for you to present the report on what happened at that particular week's City Council meeting. The discussion, I think, ended with rotating that, where each of you would take one regular City Council meeting. And in essence, you may have to do two during your term on Youth Council. But that's the discussion I wanted to have at that point, not your own attendance, which is important. But Chair, if you want to take over now the discussion about attending City Council meetings. And these meetings are typically twice a month. They start at 4:00. The first part of the agenda is typically the main issues, the consent agenda, and any ordinances and resolutions. I'm not asking you to stay for public input. Typically, that can last a while. But I think it's important in one way that you can all get involved in city government and what they're discussing. And stay in tune with what's happening. And then you would come back at the next then Youth Council meeting, whether it's one regular City Council meeting or two regular City Council meetings. And just report back real quick, a couple minutes, about what happened at the City Council meeting. And if any action was taken during those City Council meetings that you might think at some point might be worth, you know, a fact-gathering mission or something that you might want to look into, something you weren't aware of. So that was a discussion I wanted to have at that point. And the reason I bring it up now is if you decide to do it, I think we need to start immediately with that. I'm not sure when the next Regulator City Council meeting is. I know there's not one next week. I know there's not one next week. But it would put it on a rotating basis. It's the week after. 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But as long as we have one person at each meeting, that's I think all the expectation is. Yeah, and you should never do two in a row. That should never happen. Member Vargas? Just an idea. If one, like say we do the rotation and we go to the city council meetings and one of us can't make it at a meeting, would it be okay if we watch it online and then report back ? That's a discussion for you all. I think that's totally cool because I totally, I mean, I understand things happen. You know, sometimes you can, you say that you're going to be there but you can't. So I just, I mean, yeah. Right? If it's okay. I don't know. Is that okay with everyone? Ask the group. Okay. So do I have any? Chair, I'm so sorry to keep interrupting you. So a suggestion was just offered which might alleviate some things right now. We could also choose maybe just a small group of people. If somebody wants to step up to the plate, four or five of you that just those four or five maybe would just go to the meetings right now. And then maybe we can define the process a little farther in the next month or two. I just know, I would feel bad putting somebody on the spot without looking at the calendars, knowing when the dates are. That way we can have it as part of the backup material. But if we know now there's a group of say four or five people that want to already be in that pool that, hey, I, you know, I like that idea. Then maybe we can just use those individuals for now and then define the process a little more in the next month or two as we keep this on the agenda. Okay. Are there any members who wish to be a part of a committee like that? I'd like to volunteer myself for the May 20th meeting. Thank you. Member Jackson. Just rotating. Anyone over here? Okay. For now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. Yeah. And then of course, if there's a date that anyone can't go to, I'll be there as well. So, okay, perfect. So, remember Jackson, you're going to go May 20th at 4:00 PM and it's in council chambers. So you can just sit in there and take notes. Perfect. Okay. So, would I just motion to have attendance at the city council meeting on May 20th? Yeah. I think I would go ahead and move forward with making the motion. Whoever wants to make the motion, get your second. Or did you want it? Or did you have the four initial people that wanted to be involved in the rotation? I have three. Okay. The motion would be that three people currently will be involved in a rotation to attend the Cape Coral City Council meeting with, I'm not sure they need to say member Jackson at this point. It's just, the three members are and that member Jackson has been designated to attend the first one. Okay. Okay. Member McElena-Fernandez? I can be the fourth person. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. Do I have a motion to establish a committee of member Jackson, Hibosh, McElena Fernandez, and chair Brown to attend the city council meetings monthly ? Member Bice? Member Jackson? Do I have a second? I'm sorry. Do I have a second? Member Jackson? Member Bice made the motion. Member Jackson seconded. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion is carried. Item 12. And I apologize for my confusion. Okay. Item 12 is the next meeting agenda topics. And my question on this is, do you want me to keep, so keep the rules of operations and procedures in case anyone wants to discuss it? Okay. Perfect. So I'm going to keep items A through D and leave item B. Okay. So I'm going to keep items A through D and leave item B. Okay. Do you want me to keep the rules of operations and procedures in case anyone wants to discuss it? Okay. Perfect. So I'm going to keep items A through D and leave item B. Okay. Item 13 is reports. I will now open the floor for any reports from the youth council members. I think the expo will be over with. It will be over. Okay. The hurricane expo this month. Correct. So it would be a debrief. Discussion. Okay. And then chair also, you also want to ask if there's any topics that somebody else may want to put on the agenda. Okay. We choose which ones move forward, but you need to also need to ask the agenda. Okay. Does anyone have any points of discussion they want to add to next meetings agenda topics? No? Okay. So I'm going to keep items A through D with the hurricane expo being a debrief and then leave the attendance at city council meetings discussion. Chair, I think you, I think you may want to add for discussion because of the new members that aren't aware of the strategic plan. Okay. To just have a brief discussion about what that is and how it's followed. And then we will add the agenda topic for the strategic plans and initiatives. Okay. So item 13 is reports. I will now open the floor for any reports from the council members. Chair, give me one. Okay. So reports basically if anything happens to any of us, anything exciting in our own lives or anything we just want to share with the council, we will take this opportunity to do so. So it's open discussion. If there's anything anyone wants to say at all? No? Well, I just want to say welcome to all of our new members. We're so excited to have you. I'm so excited for this year. Last year I had so much fun and I just want to make sure that you guys have the same experience. Cause I know all of the upcoming seniors had a lot of fun last year, especially our DC trips. That's one thing that I chair. Yes. We're going to have to stop you just for a second. Can I request that you go back to item 12 and have someone make a motion to adopt those items that you. As well as the one additional item. Do I have a motion to pass the continuation of items a through D with the addition of the strategic plans and initiatives? Member Bice, do I have a second? Member Sanchez, Member Bice made the motion. Member Sanchez seconded. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion is carried. Okay. I think now we have item 14, which is the reports of the council liaison and advisors. Are there any reports from our council liaison and or advisor? No chair. Council member Laster. Liaison Nelson Laster. Do you have any reports? No, I'm just super excited, but I want to know something interesting about Ms. Griglin, advisor Hayden and our city attorney rep. I want to hear one interesting fact from each one of you. Go first, Connie. Okay. One very interesting fact about me is that I, my middle daughter who just got married last year is going to have our first granddaughter in June. Yay. Yay. Mm-hmm. Hey, Mr. Hayden. So for me, I was on Cape Coral City Council from 20 to 24 and I was also a journalist for 41 years. Uh, there's nothing very interesting about me, honestly. So I think I'll leave it at that. You're not off the hook, member. Council member Laster, what's yours? Mm-hmm. Take your pick. No, I'm kidding. Uh, let's see. I speak Dutch fluently. What? What did she say? She speaks Dutch fluently. Oh, okay. Uh, but other than that, I just want you guys to know that I'm really excited to work with you all this year. We're gonna have a great year. Um, and I hope that if, should you all decide that you want to repeat the DC trip, I hope that, um, we can replicate what we did last year and have a youth council meet and greet in the fall and get lots of donations to pay for the trip. Have a great weekend and hug your mommies. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Item 15 is time and place of future meetings. 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Welcome to the regular meeting of the Cape Coral Youth Council. Today is April 10, 2026. This meeting will now come to order. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation , under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Vice Chair, please call the roll. Thank you, Chair Scorzac. The following members have asked to be excuse, Eleanor, and so. Members, Pike and Pearl. When I call your name, please name it. Members, Pike Dollar? Here. Paul Z? Here. Jax? Johnson? Here. Monzo Perez? Here. Paragonda? Here. Riley? Here. Salazar? Here. Sanchez? Here. Scorzac? Here. Vargas? Here. Zapata Vasquez? Here. Twelve members are present and three are absent. Thank you, Vice Chair. Item four is guest speaker. Currently, we have no guest speakers. Item five is changes to the agenda slash adoption of the agenda. Are there any changes to the agenda? Do I have a motion to adopt the agenda as presented? Member Salazar? I motion to adopt the agenda. Is there a second? Vice Chair Brown? I second that. Member Salazar made the motion and Vice Chair Brown second ed it. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carried. Item six is review of meeting notes. Are there any changes to the meeting notes? Do I have a motion to adopt the meeting notes as presented? Member Feigdallar? Member Feigdallar? I motion. Is there a second? Oh, Member Feigdallar? I second that. Member Halsey made the motion and Member Feigdallar second ed it. Is there any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carried. We will now move on to item seven. Wait. Yes. Item seven, recognition of achievements. Today we have a very special opportunity because we have two different types of awards to present. So we will start off with item seven a youth council excellence award presentation. Today we have a youth. We have the youth council have the distinct honor of presenting awards to five recipients of the youth council excellence awards. This program recognizes achievements across five categories . Academics, leadership, civic engagement, arts, and athletics. Each recipient has demonstrated outstanding excellence in their respective field. As a youth council, we are so proud to offer this program to highlight the talent and dedication of students within our city of Cape Coral. We would like to extend our sincere congratulations to each of you for your hard work and commitment to your craft. Our youth represent not only the future, but also the present strength of our community. We thank you for your meaningful contributions and continued dedication. At this time, I will announce the award recipients one by one, along with their representative categories. When your name is called, please come forward to the podium to receive your award. Please note that photographs will be taken after all awards have been presented. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you can participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Please note that you have the award. Please note that you have the opportunity to participate in the award. Hello? Okay. Perfect. So we're going to start this off with the Academic Excellence Award. And we want to do a big congratulations to Ms. Ambriel Cali xte on receiving this honor. Next, the recipient of the Civic Engagement Award has demonstrated remarkable dedication to serving their community. Congratulations to Ms. Zoe Eslin. The Arts Award recognizes outstanding involvement and achievement in the arts. We are honored to present this award to Mr. Jackson Taylor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The Athletics Award is presented in recognition of exceptional sports and dedication to athletic excellence. Congratulations to Miss Alyssa Vasquez. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. On behalf of the Youth Council, I would like to once again thank you all for your contributions to our community and congratulate you on being the recipients of the 2026 Youth Council Excellence Award. And I think we should all give a big round of applause. Okay. And then now we will move on to item 7B, Employee Association Scholarship Presentation. Today we have the lucky opportunity to see more of the youth of Cape Coral get recognized for their hard work in our community as they receive the Employee Association Scholarship. At this time, will Ms. Alexandra Banks please come to the front of the dais to recognize the winners. Standing alongside her will be Judy Dugas and Cassie No elles. Mic check. Thank you. Good afternoon. Thank you for allowing us to present the annual City of Cape Coral Employee Association Scholarship Awards. I am Alex Banks, one of the Employee Association Scholars hip Ambassadors. Here with me is Judy Dugas, President of the Employee Association, and Cassie Noelles, a representative for the association as well as the scholarship committee. The Employee Association is an organization with voluntary membership that provides goodwill to employees of the City of Cape Coral. Our association promotes commodity and a feeling of unity to all City employees. We encourage employee recognition and assist fellow coworkers as well as our community. The Employee Association currently has over 700 members made up of full-time, part-time, and contract employees. Last year, the association obtained over $30,000 through donations from businesses as well as fundraisers. We also offer continuing education scholarships to two high school students each year. We also offer continuing education scholarships to two high school students each year. The students must follow the criteria of the application by submitting an essay on a given topic and show proof of college applications. We have a committee review each essay looking for key points pertaining to the assigned topic and proper command of the English language. And that brings us to the reason we're here today. We are very excited to tell you that due to the growing number of members and participation in the Employee Association, we've been able to increase the scholarships to $1,000 each . This year, we received applications from 13 exceptional seniors and selecting only two was a difficult decision for the committee. We are impressed with the quality of their writing skills and what the future holds for these bright students. It is our privilege to present these awards. The first recipient is James Wagenhofer, a student at Oasis High School. Woo! James' father is a principal engineer in our Public Works Department. James will be attending FSU in the fall to study civil engineering. Give it up. Yay! Congratulations. Are we doing a picture now? Okay. Perfect. The second recipient is Colin Silco, a student at Ida Baker High School. Colin's mother is a detective at the Cape Coral Police Department. Colin is currently studying, or excuse me, currently completing the Fire Academy and will be attending FSW in the EMT paramedic program. Congratulations. Congratulations to both outstanding students and the Employ ee Association wishes you the very best in your future educational endeavors. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I want to, once again, say a big congratulations to the two winners, and then another congratulations to all of the wonderful youth we have in our community. And I'm so glad that everyone is getting the recognition and honor they deserve. We will now move on to item eight, advisor presentations. I will now turn the floor over to advisor Hayden. So this is the best report I get to give every year. We are now going to recognize our seniors. So, you, Connie, you want them down here first? I'll start on the one. Okay. Okay. Okay. So today we have the honor, obviously, of recognizing our very special group, our graduating seniors. Serving on the youth council is much more than just attending meetings. It is a meaningful commitment rooted in leadership, civil engagement, and representing the voices of young people throughout our community. Each of you have stepped into that responsibility with dedication, integrity, purpose, and something that is incredibly proud of. This year we are especially excited to announce a new tradition, our graduation stoles. And to give where credit is due, this wonderful idea came from one of your very own, Genesis. These stoles serve as a visible and lasting symbol of the time, dedication, and impact each of you have made during your service. They represent the countless hours you've given, the ideas you've shared, and the differences you've made in help shaping our community. They also highlight the importance of youth involvement at local government and serve as an inspiration for students to step forward and lead. To make this moment even more meaningful, we will celebrate each of you seniors with a receiving line, similar to the graduation ceremony. After being presented with your stoles, you'll have the opportunity to walk down the line and shake hands with our council members who are present with us. And be recognized for your service and achievements. At this time, I'm going to ask any council members to please come forward to the front of dais and form a line to the right. Perfect. Seniors, I'm also going to ask you to come down to the front of the dais and form a line to my left in alphabet ical order, please. If you're not going to ask your question, please. If you're not going to ask your question, please. 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Perfect attendance is more than just being present. It means choosing responsibility even on busy days. Priority is in service when it meant easier not to. And understanding that every meeting matters because every voice matters. Their dedication sets the standard for what leadership looks like. It shows reliability, strong character, and a genuine passion to be involved and make a difference. To those receiving this recognition today, thank you for your outstanding commitment. Your presence helps shape discussions, strengthen our impact, and build the success of this youth council. You should be very proud of yourself. I'm proud to present this award to two seniors and two jun iors. If you could please hold your applause to the end of the names that have been announced. Claire Johnson, Genesis Zapata Vasquez, Emma Brown, and B erenice Sanchez. So if you guys want to join us one more time down here for your certificate in a picture, we'd appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, two and two. Perfect. One more thing here. One more thing here. Aw. Mr. Hade. Now it's all personal because everyone knows. So I titled this, "A Salute to our beloved seniors." Two years ago, they walked into their first interview white -eyed, a little quiet, and not knowing what to expect. Their first youth council meeting, still quiet, listening, learning, absorbing, and building a personal foundation. By the third month, they found a place, a voice. And we knew then that this was going to be a special group. And special does not go far enough. Not nearly far enough. Not in the nine years since the Cape Coral Youth Council started has a group set such a high standard. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. And we knew that this was going to be a part of the city council. communities, these young women have brought awareness to not only themselves, but to generations much older. They do indeed care about their city and they want others to care as well. They learn to listen, to look those same members of city council in the eye, not wide eyed this time, but with steely eyed determination and tell them what they want from their city. They did it with compassion and with love and that included locking in a project that took four years to complete. They shared powerful words with other youth councils from around the state and country, creating the building blocks to a better future. To Lexi, Claire, Emily F and Emily S, Ava, Sabrina, Isab ella, Grace, Genesis and Ambriel, I salute you with pride, gratitude, gratefulness and love for a job well done. You will always be my extended granddaughters and always remembered. Good luck to a future filled with endless possibilities and high expectations. Thanks. Oh my goodness. Well, thank you, Mr. Hayden. I know I can speak for everyone. I say we truly appreciate you and everything you've done for us. And we would not be able to get as far as we can without you and obviously our other advisors as well. So thank you for your kind words. They truly don't go unnoticed. Okay. I will now turn the floor over to liaison councilwoman L estra. That's going to be hard to follow. I apologize for my voice. I'm a little under the weather. And I'm way too young to be your grandmother's. So, but I just wanted to say congratulations to all of the seniors. As I've told you all many times, I was very nervous when my council selected me to be your liaison. As I, many of you know, I have a daughter who isn't much older than all of you. And so I was very nervous. And so I was very nervous. But I will say that the last almost year has been pretty incredible. I've gotten to know all of you pretty well. Most of you pretty well. And you've just been an incredible group who've inspired me to do better as a leader and a female, especially female leader. And you've also inspired me to want to give back to this next group that hopefully my council will still allow me to be the liaison. Our trip to D.C. was really a wild idea that I ran to Ms. Griglin after I was appointed to be your liaison. And she, remember, you know, she looks at me a lot like I have three heads. But she's like, okay, well, how are we going to do this? I'm like, we're going to raise the money. And we did it. So I'm very proud of you. I look forward to seeing you hopefully down the road. I appreciate that you filled my void of empty nest syndrome , that I had an ache in my heart for a while, but I don't anymore. And I know that if you guys are going anywhere in the state , I'll find you. And even you, Lil Feikdaller, if you end up going to Old Georgetown, we'll come find you if we go back to National League of Cities. You'll have to come to a dinner with us. So I want to congratulate each one of you. And if you ever need anything at all, do not hesitate to reach out. Thank you. Thank you so much, Ms. Sasha, again. That means so much. And D.C. would not have been possible. And I was even so, like, hesitant. I'm like, how are we going to do this? But thanks to you and all of our hard work, we really have a pit of off. So thank you so much and all of your guidance. Okay. This is so much emotion for me. Oh, my goodness. Okay. So now it is item nine, citizens' input. This consists of input of citizens on matters concerning city government, three minutes per individual. The council will listen to all speakers and respond after all speakers have made their presentation. I will now read the pledge of civility. We will be respectful of each other even when we disagree. We will direct all comments to the issues. We will avoid personal attacks. Citizens' input is now open. Any members of the public wishing to speak, please use the podium to your right, facing the dyes, and state your name for the record. Is there anyone else wishing to speak? Seeing none, citizens' input is now closed. Item 10 is quarterly report debrief. Our last quarterly report was April 1st, and I believe it went incredibly well. All of our senior members got to share a little bit on what the council means to them, which is truly so special. Along with that, we got to share with the city council some final updates on the projects we have been working on and an overview of events we participated in. I'm so proud of everyone that attended, and I'm especially proud of the members that worked on the report. At this time, if anyone liked to share their experience from the quarterly report, please do so now. Well, I can quickly just say, like I said, I think it went really well. I think it was so nice that we all got to share a little bit to the city council what this council means to us seniors, and I was really proud to show them how many successful projects we were able to complete. Okay. Is there any further discussion? We will now move on to item 11, business. 11A, senior project. On April 7th, we as a council had the opportunity to have a special meeting with a panel of mental health specialists and ask them questions about mental health. It was open to the public, and I truly feel we were able to get some great responses from the panel and have a great discussion. At this time, if anyone that was at this event would like to share their experience, please do so now. Member Jackson? Yeah, I would like to say very enlightening their opinions on where children who feel like they're abusing themselves or mental health and how peer pressure is and how it's a stigma on mental health and how their parents may affect them. It really opened my eyes on where mental stress comes from and how more children can get help. I thought that was really nice. I think it was really nice. I think it was interesting. Yes, I completely agree. Thank you. Is there anyone else that would like to speak on the other side? Can I say something? Yes, of course. So I will say that after Tuesday's event, which was a huge success, and I'm so grateful to all of you that came and everybody that participated, those leaders want to do part two. And I think you heard them say they want to do it for the mental health caregivers or the parents of children in our community who are maybe struggling or maybe they don't know is struggling. So if that's something that the incoming seniors want to continue with, we will push this legacy forward. But they all were so impressed with the bravery and even the thought that you all had the wherewithal, Member Johnson especially, to come up with this project and see it through. And they'll be looking for those survey results from Lee Health. So I'm just saying that part two is coming if the incoming seniors want it. Thank you. Yes, I completely agree. I had an amazing time. I learned so much and we were able to learn so much from each other. And I'm so glad we were able to do it. And I hope we definitely have a part two and that the incoming seniors continue that next year. Along with that, we will be attending the charter school board meeting this upcoming Tuesday, the 14th, at 5 p.m. to have further discussion with members of the board about mental health. Although this is technically after the term end, seniors are more than welcome to come and participate. So at this time, if you are planning to attend, please raise your hand now. Member Johnson. Can I share you how to handle? Is there anyone else? I personally cannot attend because I have tech for a show I 'm in. 5 p.m.? Okay. Yes. Okay. So member Vargas, Vice Chair Brown, and member Johnson. Okay. Sounds good. Obviously, again, this is after, but please let me know how it goes and I hope it goes well. And then lastly, at the March meeting, we got some further updates on our collaboration with the Lee County School District. So at this time, I'd like to pass over to the floor to member Johnson to explain any updates she may have for us. Okay. So I'll just kind of go over. I know she just said it, but we're presenting the findings at the Childress Reward on April 14th at 5 p.m. here at City Hall. I think there's three of us now. I have a script written up, so I'll email it to you guys. We can figure out, like, who's speaking, and then I'll make , like, a group chat. We can figure that out. So the Lee County Schools, I had a meeting with Dr. Tim, Mrs. Brooks, and Miss, I'm going to mispronounce his last name, Molham? Molham? Yeah. Yeah, she's, like, the, she's the main, like, advisor for the Safe Promise Clubs. So I had that meeting on March 31st, and we discussed the survey that was sent out to the students at all Lee County Schools. The survey was made up of our questions and then questions that the Safe Promise Clubs came up with. I think only, I think it was two of our questions were completely taken out just because they had concerns about, kind of, they just, they didn't think it really fit well in the survey, as well as they took out the open-ended questions, and they did a different format with that. So once I have a copy of, like, all that, sorry, let me backtrack. So we were supposed to get the results by today, but they didn't get many responses, so they opened it up for a longer term so they could get more responses. So once I have, like, the final present, final survey and all the responses, I plan to come to one of you guys' meetings next term and present it to you all just so you guys all know about it. And then also make sure that you guys can kind of present it to whoever needs to hear about it so we can kind of keep on with the mental health talk. Yeah, so that's really it for now. I'm pretty sure we finished with Ways to High School other than our presentation next week, and Lee County Schools is wrapping up as well. Perfect. Thank you, Member Johnson. And once again, this project was a huge project, and we're so glad that you were able to handle it so well. And I know there was some complications in the way, but I'm glad we got pretty much our goal done. We got it all sent out. We've done already amazing presentations. We're going to do another one next week. And so I'm very glad and thankful for Ian. Is there any discussion on this project? Okay. I'm very proud with a very successful senior project. We'll now move on to item 11B, Lovelock's discussion and updates. At the last meeting, we were informed by Mrs. Griglin that our Lovelock project is still sitting in the public works queue, and that once they have finished pouring the concrete slab, they will reach out to Mr. Colburn. At this time, and I'll turn the floor over to administrative contact Mrs. Griglin to explain any updates on the project. Thank you, Chair. As you saw, as part of your backup material, I've put several pages, so I'm not going to obviously read all of it , but obviously you can see it is moving along the lines, okay? But as I've told you guys before with government, there's a lot of hands. There's a lot of working parts. So it appears that we are part of the architectural plans and the permitting. So those are the two areas. So obviously, you know, especially for the seniors leaving, don't delete my phone number in your phone. Never. Even though you may want to, because obviously once I know more information, I will share it. And if you guys are still in the area, obviously we'd love for you guys to all come back. But it is moving along. It's just, you know, it takes time. Yes. Thank you so much. And I'm glad we're keeping a move on. Is there any discussion? Okay. We will now move on to item 11C, NLC Congressional City Conference Debrief. On March 13th to March 17th, our Youth Council had the amazing opportunity of attending the NLC Congressional City Conference. And I'm very confident in speaking for all of us when I say that this conference was truly an unforgettable experience. Visiting the National Archives and seeing our country's founding documents, touring the White House, going inside the Capitol multiple times, observing all the monuments, and growing connections with those on the council and the new friends we made along the way was truly amazing. We were able to learn so much and make so many amazing memories. And I'm so thankful that we were able to go on this trip, which is why I hope that the council, which is why I hope that the next year's council will also be attended as well, so they can have this experience. At this time, if anyone that went to this conference would like to share the experience, please do so now. Member Vargas? I had so much fun, and I had so much fun talking to all the girls that went. And it was just such a great opportunity talking to other people from different states, different youth councils. I think we all can say we learned a lot. And, yeah, it was just really fun. Yes. Member Salazar? I'd like to say I personally had a really great time. I'm not a big history person, but even so, I still had, like, such an amazing experience, especially, like, going to the rooms at night, all of us together. Having fun, going out to dinner, talking, getting to know everyone better. And just overall, like, not only learning so much about our country and our history, but also learning so much about who we are as a council and getting to know each other better. I personally loved it so much. And I love all the memories we made there. And I just want to say thank you for making that trip so memorable to our advisors and to everyone who went. Thank you, Member Salazar. Anyone else? Okay. Well, I just also want to add, yes, that, again, like I said earlier, the conference was truly amazing. And I really like the way Member Salazar put it. We all obviously see each other at these meetings, and some of us go to the same school, but we don't get that time to bond a lot of the time. And I think that was something really special about this conference as well. We all got to get closer, learn more about who we are, and then make some amazing memories. And I know it was very inspirational for me, someone who wants to go into politics, someone who would love to work in D.C. one day. And I know that's similar for a lot of us on the council as well. So thank you, again, for our advisors for making that possible and for chaperoning us on that trip. Chair, I don't mean to interrupt you, but this call being a little bit, does it believe? Would you just say a few words to the group? Oh, of course. No, no, no. You're absolutely fine. I just want to say a few things before I go. This experience has been beyond anything I could have thought of. I really appreciate the honor and just the experience I got from all of it that the city council members decided to take a chance on me. I really appreciate it. I really have enjoyed all my relationships I've made here. And I'm so happy for all of our seniors to see where they end up and where they're going. And I just want to say I'm really thrilled that I got this experience, and I hope to all see you again someday. You all are living the dream and doing all the amazing things you guys are doing now. So I just wanted to say that before I go. So I'm really thankful, and I love you guys so much, and I hope the next four years are just as amazing as these were for everybody. So I just want to say that. Oh, and I guess I'll announce where I'm going. I got into Clemson in South Carolina, their honors college. I'm going for health science and a minor in biochemistry. So I'm very excited, and that wouldn't have been possible if I didn't get to do this and see everybody else taking the big dream steps. So I'm very excited, and I hope you guys are all going amazing places, which I know you are. So thank you so much. Thank you, and congratulations, Member Halsey. That's a huge deal. Have the best time at prom. Of course. Bye. Bye. Bye. Okay. Now we also need to talk about another item related to our conference. So lastly, I think it is important to note that we would not be able to attend this trip without our amazing friends, family, and followers who supported our mission and donated. That is why, to celebrate, we are planning to host another event at Nice Guys Pizza on April 23rd from 5.30 to 7.30 p.m. At this event, we will thank our donors as well as show them updates and videos from our amazing trip. We will want to make a slideshow for this. To highlight, again, the photos and images and some of the things we did. So at this time, if there's anyone interested in making this presentation, if you could please raise your hand. I'm more than welcome to assist. Vice Chairman? Member of our kids as well? Okay, perfect. And then I'll send you guys specifically when it will be due. And then, Ms. Laster, is there anything else, like, setup- wise? I would say we'll kind of do the same setup. And if we could have the QR codes there that Ms. Greiglin had before, so we can start encouraging folks to just donate to the Youth Council, whether or not the upcoming seniors decide if they want to go to D.C. again. But at least that way we can start, you know, playing and asking for donations again. I also recommend that you do, you guys do what you did the last time and have your talking points in a talking order. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you introduce everybody and then everybody who has a part to speak, whether it's on, you know, what Youth Council did for you, whether you came to D.C. or not. You know, as an outgoing senior, you know, you want to talk about your experience. Just kind of have, like, a run of show ready to go like you did last time. And then, of course, we'll bring Advisor Hayden up to talk as well. And, you know, really this is a thank you. And, again, it's that awareness to get people interested in donating to our cause and what you guys want to do next year. Okay. Perfect. Yes. So now that being said, who will be able to attend this event? Raise your hand. Okay. So hold on. Let me write this down so I know who to include in the Reddit show. Jax. Johnson. Once guys are you checking? Or do you not? Okay. No, you're fine. Around. Valazar. It's 530, but we'd probably be there at 430 to set up. Yeah. Okay, perfect. And will you need the projector again, right? That projector? Okay, perfect. Like, oh. Yeah. Oh, okay. So you came from there. And your families are invited, too. Is there any way we could let you know how to later? Because I'm still doing sports, so I'm not sure if, like, regionals or anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. I'll put you in a spot for you to say something, and if you can't come, we'll figure it out. Okay. Okay. Okay. And then, hold on. Okay, so I have Jax, Johnson, Brown, Salazar, Vargas, Monta Perez, Fike Dollar, and Paraganda, and then Zapata Vasquez. Okay. Okay. I didn't miss anyone? Chair Sorzak. Yes. Ms. Griglin, are you going to send out the email to all the donors? Yes. Because we're inviting everybody that donated. Yes. Mainly the $1,000 or more. But please feel free to invite your parents, too, if they'd like to come. Of course. Perfect. Okay. So, okay. I will work on an outline for a run of show, and then I'll send it all over to you guys for you guys to write a little script so you have that prepared, and then send that to Ms. Griglin. Okay. And then you and Member Vargas will work on the presentation. Okay, perfect. So, again, it starts at 530. We would like to be there at 430 for setup. If, of course, you can only be there at 530, that's absolutely fine. But 430 is when we should aim for. And, again, that's April 23rd. It is a Thursday. Okay. Does that seem good for everyone? Is there any further discussion? Okay, perfect. We will now move on to item 11D, Adopt a Road Debrief. Our final Adopt a Road of the term was March 7th, and I will happily say that it was another success. We were able to pick up several bags of trash and further help beautify our city. This project is truly one of my favorites, and I'm glad that I could be a part of it for the last two years. At this time, if anyone would like to debrief their experience with this project, please do so now. Okay. Yeah, I mean, again, I love Adopt a Road. I think it's really a good way to, obviously, we always say , like, we're making a difference, but you get to actually make the difference that morning. So, yes. Okay. We will now move on to item 11E, Youth Council 2026 Application Discussions. Our applications for the Youth Council closed a few weeks ago on March 23rd. Thank you to all the members that helped find new members to apply for our group, and as sad as I am to leave, I'm very excited to see what the next group of leaders will look like. The applicants have interviewed a couple, I think, two weeks ago, and there will be a new passionate group of members for the Cape Coral up on this dais next time we meet. At this time, is there any further discussion? Chair, really quickly, actually, the interview process closed today. Oh, okay. We didn't feel like we had enough applicants, especially representation from schools like Cape Coral, Mariner. So, we opened it up and finished today. I'm happy to report we got another, what, nine applications ? So, in total, from the first round and the second round, I ended up getting a total of 14, because I received two this morning. So, I did, in your backup material, give you guys the breakdown, so you can kind of see where I received applications from and where, obviously, I didn't. So, yes. So, I'll have a total of 14 to choose from. I'm sorry, say that again? In your backup material. It's in your backup material. So, we'll interview those that did interview the first time on next Wednesday, and then council will vote that evening on the new members. I think we're off to a good start. They're not up to you all yet, but they'll get there, as you all have over time. Again, impressed with those that have interviewed so far, and hopefully this next group that we interview will be just as enlightening as the first group. And we'll be excited to welcome them in May. Yes. That sounds good. And I'm happy to see we pretty much have applications from every school, except for, unfortunately, Island Coast. But it's okay. I know it's a farther distance, and there's other factors that are involved. But I'm excited. And, yes, I hope to be – I have no promises, but I hope to be at that meeting in May so that I can meet everyone. Okay. Is there any discussion? Okay. Perfect. We will now move on to item 11F, strategic initiatives review. Member Paragonda has officially completed her tracking and comparison of our two adopted road schedules. This information was added to our strategic initiatives so that we and the next council can compare what we would like to do for the next year. However, at this time, I would like to take some time to review our strategic initiatives. That is the document that keeps us accountable on how we did in this term. I will quickly go line by line, and we can decide if we were successful in this aim or if it is something that we still want to work harder on next year. So if everyone could please pull up their backup material and go to the strategic initiatives. Is everyone ready? Okay. So the first is – I'm not going to read all of it, but it's First Ring of Cape Coral, the demographics who are retargeting ages 10 to 14, ages 15 to 19. I think we did a pretty good job on that because we were able to have projects that both fitted the younger generation's needs, like when we did Trunkert Tree and things like that. And then we also did 15 to 19 as kind of our age group for the mental health survey and the movie in the park as well. So I think we did a good job there covering our demographics. Do we agree? Perfect. Second ring, it focuses on environmental issues. Obviously, we have our Adopt-A-Road project, but – and I think we did a good job in that. Obviously, that helps our environment, but I think that's something we can focus on even more next year. And specifically, I know – I believe her name is Zoe, who came in with the – I don't remember. It was something about the Burring Owlers, her project. And she – I knew she was excited to work with us on that. So if maybe we do a collaboration with them next year. But overall, I think we did a pretty good job. The third ring was about social issues, and obviously, our mental health project did a really good job on that. And then also, I would say our movie in the park did a good job as well. Our strengths – that's mostly Cape Coral. I think that's all good. Weaknesses – I think, obviously, we have more health care options now because of the adjustments of the new square. But that was a silly story. Okay. I'm going to scroll down to internal SWAT for strengths. We have a representation from my diverse group of Cape Cor al high schools. I believe we're very creative, communicate well, we're involved. We're able to complete all projects. Every project we had this term, we were able to complete. We connected with our community very much so through our school reach out project and through our mental health survey. Weakness was inconsistent attendance of meetings by members . I would say that's still one thing we have to work on. Obviously, I'm very proud of the four people that won the All Attendance Award. But that's something. And I think it's also just outside of meetings. There's so much that goes into Youth Council, as we know. So next term, I hope we have even more involvement in that. Obviously, I know we're very busy. But I think that's definitely still something we can work on. Opportunity. Connected with everyone due to digital communications. I believe we did a very good job to that. Thank you, Ambriel, and our digital communications directors on the council as well. More awareness, different perspectives on events. I agree we have that. Limited experience with government. I feel like we learned a lot more, especially through D.C. But there's also still stuff we can learn even more, especially I know Advisor Hayden talked about having potentially a person that would attend, a different person from the council attend a different meeting of the city council so that we learn even more about our city's adjustments. I think that would be something interesting to do next year . First, juniors, that might be a discussion point for the first or second meeting about rotating all members to attend a city council meeting. And then come back and do a report at the following youth council meeting. And the other part of that is we talked about the possibility of field trips. Yes. The different government complexes. So juniors, keep that in mind as an opportunity as well. Yes. I think those are both really good ideas and I think will help us grow even more because obviously Mr. Hayden gives us updates, but it's completely different than when you're actually there and learning. So I think that is a really good idea. Threats. We have lack of time due to business schedules. I would still say that's kind of a big threat. And then not continuing to improve social media exposure. I don't know of how big of a threat that is. I mean, I think we can always be growing our following. I think we grew up a lot this year with all the different events we did. So, yeah. But we can always continue to grow. Our core values. I think that hits it right on the money. We're young leaders and solution finders who care about our community and look forward to elevating it in ourselves. I think that's good. How we treat each other. Obviously, we've never had an issue on our council. We treat each other respect. And we work together. And even if we do have a little issue in there, we work together because we all care about each other and care about this council. Core capacities. I think that is good. And then mission statement again. We are young servant leaders who represent the youth of Cape Coral and providing city council outlook for the betterment of all of our communities. I think that's great. And then strategic initiatives. Chair, one second. Yes, yes, yes. Your mission statement will pretty much always stay locked in. Yeah. Okay? Unless, God forbid, there be a reason to not have a youth council. That, as long as I'm alive, is never going to happen. Yes. Now, the vision statement can be updated. You know, for instance, we will promote positive change in our city by involving our youth to create a resilient community that includes mental health awareness. You can, that can, the vision statement can always evolve, juniors. So, when you look at your vision statement, you know, that 's one thing at the end of a year, you know, did you accomplish what you wanted to in that area? So, you know, remember that as you move forward. Yes, I agree. And then, FLC people meetups with other youth council and our body chair scores was over tracking at the FLC conferences. I mean, we created a group chat with one of the other youth councils we met. And we met a lot, we talked a lot with the other groups. So, I think we did that well. Keeping track of attendance. Vice Chair Brown did a very good job of that. Keeping record of adopter oaths. Member Paragonda did an amazing job. And she, we added, she added the purpose. And then, this is what the attendance looked like. And then, she did a fantastic analysis as well. Getting more people to our meetings. Through visits to the schools and quarterly reports. Member Paragonda, Member Maltz-Pres, Member Jackson, Member Vice were all in charge of the school reach out project. And that obviously went very well this term as we were able to finish. So, I'm very happy about that. This glass is Love Locks. Member Jackson, Member Vice were a big help in the very beginning of this process. So, thank you. Organizing a meet and greet. And that was our goal. We can raise money for Hope for the Holidays NLC. And we obviously did that. So, I'm very, very proud of us. Time and process. We successfully carried out both our junior and senior project. And then, maintain clear communication along with to-do lists. I would like to say I did a pretty good job of that. I had a to-do list for every meeting. Alright, the school reach out project once again. Okay. And then, earn media. And yeah, I think we did a fantastic job. Obviously, there's a few things that we could switch up for next year. And things that we can improve upon. But I overall think we did a fantastic job. Do we agree? I'm very proud of everyone that's on this council. And I'm proud that we were able to fulfill all the rules. Okay. Is there any discussion? I will now move on to item 11H, Hurricane Expo. Over the last few years, the city has... Oh my... I keep doing this. I'm so sorry. Item 11G, review continued existence of the Cape Coral Youth Council. Over the last month, I've been working on a memorandum addressed to the city council explaining the benefits of having a youth council and our accomplishments. I wrote about our goals for the council and all the ways we were able to successfully execute them. However, before we send it off to be reviewed by the city council, we must all approve it. So, you should have already read it prior in your backup material. But at this time, if you please can review the document once more and let me know if everything looks good or if there are any adjustments we need to make. So, once again, I was just... I went through all the projects we did, the intent of them, and then explained how important it is for us to have this youth council. Thank you. Thank you. Does it look good to everyone? Okay, perfect. So, do I have a motion to use this memorandum as the one we set off to the city council for their continued existence of the Cape Coral Youth Council review? Member Riley. I move to send this to the city council. Is there a second? Members of Pantavastas? I second that. Member Riley made the motion. Members of Pantavastas seconded it. Is there any discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carried. Okay. Now, we'll move on to item 11H, Hurricane Expo. Over the last few years, the city has put on a Hurricane Ex po to educate the citizens of Cape Coral on hurricanes and what proper precautions to take in case of an emergency. Members of our youth council have been able to attend and volunteer at this expo to help our city, and they have once again asked us this year to participate. This event will take place on May 30th, 2026 from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m., but will start at 8 a.m. Some of the tasks we'll be expected to do at this event are greeting attendees, keeping speakers running smoothly, assisting the flood model tables, and many other similar tasks. While I recognize that half of this council will have concluded the term by the time that this event takes place, I would like to see if there is interest from the current juniors to once again attend this event. So if you're a junior, please raise your hand if you can attend or have interest in attending. By Sher Brown. Member of Argus. Perfect. And then obviously you guys will have a whole new council, so that's something we definitely need to put on the agenda for next meeting. And yeah. Okay. So do I have to motion to say that we're doing it? It's fine. I mean, I just wanted to make sure that it was out there. It was part of the backup material. The juniors are putting it on your calendar. Obviously, I will remind the juniors as we get closer to the date, but if you're available, you know, obviously we'd love your help. Perfect. Okay. Now this is the part I'm going to cry. So if there's no further discussion, I will move on to item 11I, senior reflection. As we all know, this is the final meeting of the term, which means that it is the senior member's final meeting of the youth council. This moment truly feels bittersweet because while we were sad to be leaving, this entire experience has been so amazing and I'm so grateful. In a moment, I will share my experience, but I thought it would be nice if we all went one by one and shared where are we going to school next year and have some time to reflect on your time in the youth council. I will start with member Fikthaller. All right. So I haven't told anyone this really, but I'm sure a lot of you know, but I will officially be attending Georgetown next year. This is, I haven't told my parents yet, so surprise. Yeah, but the youth council has been a great experience for me. I'm glad I got selected last year and I'm glad I got to get closer with so many of you, especially Chair Skorzak. I'm glad we got to grow closer in this time and member Jack s because we worked together on the project. And I really do appreciate how kind everyone has been to me and how welcoming you guys are. And I'm sorry I couldn't go on a D.C. trip with you guys. I really wanted to. But I am so thankful for the experience, as I'm sure a lot of us are. And I'm very excited to see where the future takes me and the rest of you. Thank you. Hi. I am committed to go to FIU in Miami in the fall. I'm majoring in political science with a minor in psychology. I actually was going to change my career path and become a psychologist just because the mental health project kind of opened my eyes to, like, there needs to be more resources. So why don't I just do it myself? But in the back of my mind, I was like, I still am stuck on law. So I'm still going to do the lawyer route. But I definitely want to get into politics and try to change the narrative through that way. And mental health is always going to be a topic for me because if I don't say it, who's going to? So I'm definitely really grateful for the council because I came on and I always said, like, I'm always going to speak my mind. And I'm always going to do these things and, you know, be the person, be the voice for everybody else. But it's a little scary sitting up here the first year. And then the second year, I kind of opened up a little bit. And I was able to do the mental health project. And I was able to do the junior project last year to donate books to the hospital. So two projects that mean a lot to me that we were able to, all of you guys to help me and we were able to do for our community. So that really means a lot. But now I'm sad because I'm done. But I definitely am going to use everything I've learned on youth council to continue to achieve all my goals in college and in the future. And I'm appreciative for all of our advisors, for everything you guys do for us. Because I know it's not just being here on a Friday. It's constantly every single day and dealing with us. So I know it's a lot. But thank you to you guys and thank you to everybody in the council for showing up and just being amazing. Thank you, Member Johnson. Member Monster-Frez. Okay, first of all, I'm going to say I'm really nervous to talk. But I'm really grateful for this experience. Because first of all, this is my first year on the youth council. I wasn't here junior year because I learned a little late after the application there my sophomore year. So I had always kept it in mind. Like I always wanted to do youth council because it's something I'm so passionate about. I'm so passionate about like speaking my mind and being able to like speak for those that I know. Again, I didn't know a lot of people that like were on the youth council from Cape Coral. So I just wanted to like get more in touch with my community and with my city and like learn more about the local government. So on my first meeting, I remember sitting here and I was like, you guys all look like professionals. And like I was like, this all looks so professional. And I thought it was such a good experience. And genuinely, I felt so touched throughout the entire year . Like just being part of the youth council and being like surrounded by people who like are going to have such like amazing futures. Like you guys are all so bright and so nice and so empath etic. And thank you so much for the experience to be able to be on the youth council this year, guys. That's it. Thank you. Do you want to say where you're going? I forgot. I'm going to FGCU. I'm majoring in economics. And then I'm doing a minor in legal studies. And then I plan to go to law school after that and do something in politics, local or state. Thank you. I'm going to go on the end. So we'll have member Perron on there. Okay. Thank you. Well, first, I just want to say thank you so much for this experience. I've had such an amazing time, you know, just being part of this group, especially like I would say the DC trip was such a highlight. I genuinely had so much fun. I got to know everybody so much better. And that just, that meant a lot to me. It was so much fun. And I, even though like I'm so passionate about healthcare and like going into medicine, I'm also passionate about government. And I'm helping others speak out and, you know, make sure that their voice is heard and that they're represented. And I think that those two go hand in hand. And people are always very shocked when I say that I want to work in healthcare and stuff like that. When everything I do is basically centered around government and, you know, public speaking and helping others. But to me, that's what's important. So I just thank this group so much. And as many of you know, as I've shared, I will be moving to Cali, Colombia to go to Javeriana, which is where I will be studying medicine. And I will officially become a doctor in 2032. So I'm very excited. So thank you guys. Member Riley, if you'd like to go ahead. Sure. Hi. Thank you guys again for this experience. It's really meant a lot to me. I will be going to Florida State. Go NOLS. I'm going to be studying international relations. So I'm going to be doing that on a pre-law track and hopefully do the 3-3 program so I can be a lawyer in six years, which is really nice. And I'm just really thankful for this because I feel like anybody who knows me knows I talk a lot. So I feel like it was really nice to have a place to do something that I'm good at for a change because I feel like growing up, I always did a lot of sports. I always did a lot of things that were like science based, math based because that's what school usually focuses on. So I was really thankful to come here and meet a lot of people who were interested in similar things because I feel like I've always surrounded myself with people who are interested in science and math. And I've always felt kind of out of place with that. So I was really excited to come here. And, you know, I agree. I came here and everyone was so professional and I'm not used to that. But I was really privileged to get to know all the different people here, to meet all the people that I did meet. And honestly, I think the highlight for me was just the sorting books last year. I think that was so fun for everyone. And I had more fun than I was expecting. But, like, getting to know everyone personally and seeing everyone come out of their shells the last few years has really been the best experience. So thank you, everyone. Thank you. Member Salazar? As I know, I'm very emotional. So. Okay. So. I'm so sorry. I'm going to start off with I am committed at USF. And I will be going there for biology with a pre-med track. Very excited to become a doctor and a radiologist. But one quote that has really stuck with me that I heard is , what is a person if not memories? And I'd have to say this youth council has definitely given me so many memories. Oh, my gosh. Whether good stuff happened, bad stuff happened. Whether we didn't speak to each other at all or saw each other all the time. Whether you were there for some events and there for all of them or none of them. I have the pleasure to say that I'm so glad I was able to work with all of you. Our advisors and all of the council members. And I just want to say thank you for all of the memories, all of the experiences, all of the knowledge I've gained. And it's just been truly an honor. What is this topic? What are we doing? Should I text someone late at night that I need help with the backup material? To seniors who are helping the juniors who are the ones who are answering the questions now? And the fact that this is our last meeting and now we're going to college. Everything is happening. And I just have to say I'm so glad all of us know where we 're going and that we all have an amazing path ahead of us. And I don't think I would have gone here without this council. So thank you for everything. Thank you, Member Salazar. Member Zapata Vasquez, would you like to go? Yes. Well, first of all, I would like to say thank you for giving me a chance, advisors. Being on this council, just like Sabrina, I've been here for one year. And I didn't know about Youth Council at all. By chance, I heard about it. And I wanted to give it a shot since I knew no one from Island Coast really ever did anything like that. So I'm really happy that you guys gave me a chance. And I'm glad that I met all of you guys, even if I didn't spend as much time with others as I would like to. It was amazing. I'm super happy. I am committed to the University of North Florida with Bi omedical Sciences on a Pridmed track, as well as minor in Military Sciences with ROTC. But again, this was an amazing experience. And I felt like I actually belonged with a people. And it was just amazing to meet so many people from different schools, to get to do all these adventures on going to Tallahassee, going to Washington, D.C., working and volunteering. Because I was born and raised in this community. I was born and raised in Cape Coral. So I'm glad to be able to put myself in this government and to see and to actually talk to people from our local government, state-wise and nationally. It was amazing to just have that conversation and to be able to just put myself there and know that just because I 'm young doesn't mean that I'm stupid, that I can make a difference. That I can make a difference. And just because that I never thought I would ever go into the government and politics. But this has really opened my eyes to that pathway. And I'm hopeful with some projects that I'm still working on in the city that you'll hopefully still see me around, especially since my siblings are hopefully also excited. So hopefully you'll see mini-me's still in the future. You'll see mini-me's hopefully coming about. But yeah, I just wanted to say thank you to everyone. I'm so glad I got to meet each and every one of you. I know all of you are going to do amazing stuff. I know the juniors will keep continuing doing and making this council great. I'm so excited to see what you guys will be doing. Hopefully you'll still see me around with the projects I have planned. And yeah, I'm just, thank you for everything. And I love all you guys. Thank you, Janice, I mean, members of Potoslavs. And also the idea to do these stoles was truly amazing. So I know us singers really appreciate that. And I'm glad that could be a tradition. Yeah, that was so good. Okay, I guess I'll go now. Oh my goodness. Okay, I have so many things to say. And now it's all, okay. So I'll start with my commitment. So I am committed to the University of Florida. I am majoring in political science on a pre-law track. I am still on the wait list for Columbia. So we'll hope. But if not, I'm very happy to be a Gator. And I'm so happy for the opportunities and the memories I'm going to make. Oh my gosh, I want to speak on both sides. I am so thankful for this opportunity. I heard about youth council from Chair Garcia last year or two years ago. And I thought I should apply. Why not? And then I did. And I wanted to apply because I've always been passionate about government. Everyone knows me. I know I always like to yap or just talk a lot. And that's just because I'm generally so passionate about helping my community, the people I care about. And so I feel like, again, like kind of memorizing saying, there's not a lot of organizations that allow you to work in government or do things in that nature. So I was so happy when I made it. I still barely made it. I made it by a tie that we both got in. So I'm very happy to be on this council. I don't know where I would be if I wasn't here. This council and all of you guys have taught me so much. How to be a better leader. How to be a better communicator. How to work with so many different people. You guys all have such amazing, unique personalities. And I'm so honored that you guys selected me as chair because this last year has truly been amazing. This council has done so much for me. It's taught me how to, like, it just taught me so much. And also, like, I've met some of my best friends through this council. And I'm just, I'm so, so blessed. And I'm so grateful to be here. I can't wait to see what you juniors have in store. And I'm so appreciative of our advisors. We truly could not have done this without you guys. And I'm so, so, so thankful. And Ms. Ambriel, if you would like to say a few words as well. You don't have to if you want to, but. So I'm also going to the university floor. I'm a major in-workman. And I want to go law school afterwards. And honestly, that's a great thing to you guys. I've had a great time. I've had a great time. I'm a small girl in putting your events out there. And I think we have one of you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you all for sharing your experiences. And I'm truly so grateful for the time we shared and the memories we made. I know you guys will all succeed wherever you go. And I'm so excited to watch you shine. For the current junior members, I know you will make us all very proud next year. And I will try to come back for a couple of meetings to see what you guys are up to. I will always be here for you guys if you ever need anything. So please feel free to reach out. Is there any further discussion? Okay. Chair? Yes. Sorry. I know I'm not a true senior. No. But I do want to put my comments in right now since you guys all spoke. I wrote some of my comments down because I have a terrible memory and I just didn't want to forget anything. And so hopefully I can do it without losing it. But here it goes. Today does really mark, you know, a bittersweet moment for me personally. I mean, I've known some of you for two years. Some I've only met a year. But time doesn't matter. Does it really matter? I mean, you know, we've learned so much. I think you've all, I think we try to make a lasting impression on you guys. But believe it or not, you guys make a lasting impression on us as well. We may not always say it, but we see it behind the scenes. Obviously, I want to take a moment, obviously, to thank certain people. Many of you have played an instrumental role in making these meetings happen. I know you don't believe it, but it's true. Obviously, you know, Chair Skorzak, you know, you're the ones that, you know, create the agenda and you and I go back and forth and change things and add things and find new things that we constantly keep adding. Obviously, Vice Chair Brown, you know, taking our notes, making sure that we all can look back and see what's happening and taking our attendance. But beyond that, you know, each one of you contributed in other ways. What about the people who made the PowerPoint presentations or the backup materials? That's what creates the whole meeting. So you all should be thankful for your own selves, but thankful for me because obviously it helps me get the agenda and gets us to where we are today. Obviously, I'm so proud, so, so proud of all the projects that you guys completed. Hats off. I mean, some of the projects this year were incredible. You know, Vice Chair with Hope for the Holidays. How many smiles did we probably put on kids? You know, something as simple as just collecting toys. But if you could have seen the families that were impacted by it, huge difference. Look what we did for moving in the park. I mean, remember Sanchez took it from meeting with staff to actually getting us out there and what we, you know, raised over $614. That's not easy to do. So you really should be proud of that one. You know, the mental health. What can I say? I mean, all I'm going to tell you is I sent you guys an email, and if you haven't watched the meeting, you were not there, I would suggest you watch it, and you watch it a second time. Because it hits home. It hits home for a lot of you. I know it's a stigma, and a lot of people don't want to talk about it, but there's help out there. There's resources. Use them. Use them. The Adopter Road. What can I say? We were good at what we did. We cleaned that street more and more, and I think we've made an impact on it. You know, once again, it's a small gesture, but it makes a big impact. And our trip to D.C. What can I say about it? Wow. You guys have said pretty much everything about it. First time I was ever there, and what I learned from it, yeah. Memories, once again, that I hope will last, you know, an absolute lifetime for you guys, and the friendships that you, you know, you made along the way. I just want to let you guys know how proud, really, I am of each one of you. Once again, you have left a mark on me that I will never forget. So, seriously, if you guys need anything, I'm as simple text away, as you guys know. That's how I like to communicate. So, don't lose my number, okay? And, you guys, like you said, as you guys move on to your next chapter, you know, I wish you guys all the best in the world. I know you guys are going to do some amazing things. And hopefully in a couple years, you can come back and tell us where you are and what you're doing. And I love you guys. We love you, too. Chair Sorzak? Yes, of course. Ms. Griglin, are they going to be able to take their little name plates? Yes. I'm so glad you said that. So, yes. I know. I thought you'd want to. Seniors. Seniors only. Take your red name plates only, okay? All right. Thank you for reminding me of that. Okay. Thank you so much, Mrs. Griglin. It truly means so much. And you've done so, like, this council would not be what it is without you, Mrs. Griglin. So, we're so, so thankful. Okay. Next meeting agenda topics. I'm not sure how we would like to do this. So, this one, you actually, for once, you guys don't have to choose any agenda topics. Yes. It'll all come back to me because it's the first meeting of our new council. So, it's more of a bookkeeping thing. So, we can honestly pass that item on and move on. Okay. So, we will move on to item, hold on. Actually, my numbers are off. 13, yes. Item 13, reports. I have a mini report. And that is just to say that we, as a council, got Mrs. Gr iglin, Mr. Hayden, and Ms. Laster all a little gift from us. We wrote some really kind words. And, again, we have a little something special inside. So, when at the end of the meeting, I would like to give it all to you guys. And then the flowers, again, were from all the council. Good job. Thank you. Of course. Item 14 is reports of council liaison and advisors. Chair, really quick. Yes. To the juniors, your turn to lead. You contributed immensely to what happened over this year. Now, at your meeting in May, you're going to have a bunch of wide-eyed incoming juniors that come in. They're going to be quiet. They're not going to know what's going on. And it will be your turn to lead. And I'm fully confident that they will get their voice as quick as you all did. And we'll look forward to that. A quick reminder that after this meeting, my wife and I have brought you all dinner. It will be in 220A right down the hallway here. And really quick, I'd like to bring my wife up, Joanne, who 's part of the mayor's scholarship committee. She wants to make a quick announcement, which, again, only adds to the resume of what you've all accomplished this year. Hi. Thanks for letting me speak. Kind of two hats this afternoon. First of all, on behalf of the board of directors for the mayor's scholarship fund, I'd like to congratulate three of your members who were selected to receive a $4,000 scholarship. That's payable $1,000 each year. Who has the 3-3 plan? Okay. You'll be glad to know that we've had a couple recipients that have gone before you that have done the same. And we have agreed that that fourth year can roll over into your master's or law program. So I'm really excited about that, too. That's something that just kind of keeps coming up because you're so accomplished, and I'm so impressed. So Emily Feikthaler, Lexi Skorzak, and Grace Riley. So the three of you will be getting information from the collaboratory on details and all the stuff that they need to be able to make payment to your school. Personally, I'd like to say how much I enjoyed going to Washington, D.C. with the group that went. I learned an awful lot about each of you and saw some amazing qualities. Hard to believe I was so not in your shoes when I was 18. I mean, honestly. I'm not just saying that. I'm so impressed with the professionalism and the leadership, your passion and determination. And I'll never forget the day we sat in the House of Representatives. And while they were at recess, you were not. And talking about different issues and the fact that one day you may be on that floor. And I cannot tell you how impressed I am by all of that and how happy I am for you. I've been a little annoying telling people about our trip to D.C. and how impressed I am with young people who are truly interested in government, passionate about government. We need you. And whether you're actually in the workings of it, please just stay connected. Make sure you have your voice and you share it with others. And you don't let whatever is going on that you might disagree with just slide by. And especially, I'm just going to say this, there is power in women. And we are a bit of a force to be reckoned with. And I think somewhere along the line, because we've worked so hard to be recognized for that, it has passed down through the generations. And I see it in you guys. You really have such a power. So congratulations to the seniors. Go juniors. I look forward to all the other things that I might be able to be involved with. All of you who submitted an application for the mayor's scholarship, that goes not only through the collaboratory and all of their reviewers, but we have a group of people who review applications from the mayor's scholarship board. And we were all very impressed with all of them. And it's really hard to only pick 10. So we're trying real hard to be able to raise more money so that more help can be offered. You guys are awesome. So thank you. Thank you so much, Mrs. Hayden. We truly appreciate you. Okay. Oh, my goodness. Item 15 is time and place of future meetings. The next regular meeting of the Cape Corp Youth Council is scheduled for Friday, May 8, 2026, at 3 p.m. in Council Chambers. Is there a motion to adjourn? Member Paragonda. I motion to adjourn. Is there a second? Member Zapata Vasta. I second that. Member Paragonda made the motion. Member Zapata Vasta second. Is there any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? This meeting is now adjourned.

Yes. Welcome to the special meeting of the Cape Corp Youth Council. Today is April 7, 2026. This meeting will now come to order. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic through which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Vice Chair, please call the roll. Thank you, Chair. The following members have asked to be excused. Members Bice, Feichthaler, Johnson, Sanchez, Skorzak, Toro, Vargas, Zapata-Vasquez. And I will mark them so. Member Paragonda will arrive after roll call. When I call your name, please say here. Member Jax, here. Johnson, here. Skorzak, here. Three members are present and 11 are excused. 11? Okay. So I want to thank you all for being here today. Especially thank you, Mr. Sam Fisher from the school board for coming and attending this meeting. We wanted to have this meeting because mental health is a really big issue for us. And especially like growing up, being a teenager and all the crazy stuff we have going on right now. This is a really important topic. So that is why, as we find out, we developed this mental health project. Specifically with Member Johnson. She really took the lead on this project. And, um, yeah, we wanted to have this panel today because we presented our questions to the, um, city council a few weeks ago. And Member Lastra was one of the only people that was really able to respond or give input. So we thought if we come together with a bunch of mental health specialists that we'll be able to have more discussion and just learn more overall. So again, thank you so much everyone here to come. At this time, I'm going to ask that we move citizens input after item 5, a mental health discussion. And then this will give anyone in the audience an opportunity to speak after the panel has presented. So do I have a motion to move this item till after the mental health discussion? Vice chair Brown. I motion to move the item. Is there a second? Member Johnson. I second. Vice chair Brown made the motion. Member Johnson seconded it. Is there any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carried. We'll now move on to item 5, a business mental health panel discussion. Now I'm going to ask Member Johnson to introduce our panel members for today's meeting. I would like to begin by welcoming everybody and thanking the panelists for taking the time to participate in this important conversation. Our first panelist is Heather Cross. Ms. Cross brings more than 20 years of leadership experience in mental health, substance abuse, and the criminal justice system. As CEO of the Center for Progress and Excellence, she leads crisis response services across five county region. Overseeing mobile crisis teams, multidisciplinary clinical operations, and collaborative partnerships with law enforcement, hospitals, and community organizations. Her work ensures timely access to care for individuals in behavioral health emergencies while advancing system-wide coordination. Our next panelist is Dr. Dawn Bellemarch. Dr. Bellemarch serves as president and CEO of the Collaboratory, a community foundation with a mission to coordinate efforts to solve Southwest Florida's most accomplished challenges by 2040. Under her leadership, the Collaboratory is aligning philanthropy, policy, and community partners to achieve measurable long-term impact. Dawn is a nationally respected executive clinician and change agent with expertise across social services, behavioral health, and the leading nonprofit and for-profit sectors, driving growth and operational excellence and mission expansion. Our next panelist is Nicole Liberto. Ms. Liberto is the system director for behavioral health at Lee Health. She is a wealth of knowledge, passion, and expertise spanning more than 30 years as a clinician, leader, director, and system director. She specializes in inpatient, detox, residential, and crisis stabilization with a focus on evidence-based treatment and quality care. Our next panelist is Lori Brooks. Ms. Brooks currently serves as the director of physical and mental health services for the school district of Lee County. She joined the school district in 1992 and has over 30 years of expertise as an educator, counselor, and district leader. Ms. Brooks leads the Lee County School District physical and mental health services that include counseling, mental health social work, health services, and the district crisis counseling response team. She is a licensed mental health counselor and certified trainer. Our final panelist is the Cape Corp Police Officer, Sean Frazen. Officer Frazen is a U.S. military veteran and a distinguished award-winning officer with the Cape Corp Police Department. He serves as a department liaison for NAMI of Southwest Florida and leads the peer support team at the agency. He's also a hero. On November 23, 2023, officer responded to a call for a male sitting inside his running vehicle in a closed garage. The male was unconscious in the driver's seat. Officer Frazen pulled the man out of the vehicle and outside of the garage and performed life-saving measures. The male was immediately taken to the hospital where he regained consciousness. Before opening the floor for questions, I would like to present the results of the mental health survey conducted with Oasis High School students, highlighting key findings and trends. Oasis High School has 924 students and we received responses from 214 of them. The survey we sent out had a mix of open and closed-ended questions that allowed students to share any struggles they may have. Some frequently repeated responses were based on the high levels of stress and pressure students face, especially related to academics. Many students shared that heavy workload's expectation to succeed and balancing school with their personal lives often leads to feeling of anxiety and being overwhelmed. Another common concern was the feeling of being alone or misunderstood, with students expressing that others don't always understand what they're going through, which can lead to isolation. Additionally, a significant number of students mentioned hesitation and asking for help due to fear of judgment and not being taken seriously. While some students feel supported by teachers and staff, others believe that student support is inconsistent and not always accessible. Overall, students expressed a strong desire for more awareness, open conversation, and better support system when it comes to mental health. Now, I would like to briefly speak on our partnership with the School District of Lee County and the expansion of this project to additional high schools in Cape Coral and North Fort Myers. I'm happy to share that the Cape Coral Youth Council has partnered with the Safe Promise Club to distribute a mental health survey across Lee County schools. This survey includes a combination of questions created by our council along with the questions developed by the Safe Promise Clubs. This survey was sent out last week and we are expecting to receive responses from these schools shortly. I would like to thank Dr. Tim and her team for the support and collaboration in helping us bring this mental health survey to students across Lee County. I'd also like to mention that the Youth Council, in collaboration with other students, plan to present this full survey results to the Lee County School Board, Cape Coral City Council, and Lee County Commission at future town hall meetings. Thank you. I will now turn the floor back over to you, Chair Skorthak. Thank you, Member Johnson. Now, I'd like to briefly explain how the meeting will be conducted. Each panelist will be asked a series of six questions with each given the opportunity to respond to each. I will call on a Youth Council member to read the question aloud and will rotate the order of responses among the panelists to ensure a balanced and engaging discussion. Please note, though, if that specific question does not relate to your particular expertise or if you don't have any additional input, please let me know and I will move on to the next panelist. So, I will happily get us started in this discussion. So, my first question is, why do you believe the youth struggle to reach out for help when it comes to their mental health? And, Ms. Cross, I will ask you first. Thank you. We currently have a partnership with Lee County Schools and we are heavily involved in the school system with mental health services, not only just for kids that are struggling for safety, meaning one of her concerns or others. We are also involved with wraparound services as far as case management, peer support, which helps with kids with social determinants. We see some kids that come to school that maybe are hungry. We see some kids that maybe come to school and their parents are going through a divorce and they really just don't know how to process that. We really lean on the schools and the licensed clinicians and the other staff in the schools to really convey the message that it's okay to talk about it. In a non-very threatening way, we want to make sure that kids are staying safe. We want to make sure that they can be open and honest. We still fight the stigma of mental health, but we also have to explain the importance of, you know, why it is important, you know, to speak out, to talk about it without the judgment of their peers. There is still that stigma that, you know, oh my gosh, she's crazy. She needs to, you know, talk about this. Or if you notice another peer or student that is self-inflicted, you know, self-mutilating, being able to be comforting to that child. So I think it's about awareness and I think it's about explaining the importance of just talking about it. Let's just talk about it. And we actually have a logo on our shirts that says, let's talk about it. We, everyone together has to come together and reduce that stigma by, you know, asking people how they're doing, showing that you genuinely care, showing that there's comfort. So that's, you know, that's kind of what we do as far as when we get calls with kids in the schools. Thank you. Ms. Bellwatch? Same question? Yes. If you would like me to repeat it. No, no, no. Okay. Okay. I just want to make sure I'm here. Yes. Well, I'll double down on what Heather said around stigma. At the Community Foundation and Collaboratory, I have one role, which is really looking at the systemic issues around mental health and addiction and how we can try to counteract that with our partners. But as a mental health therapist in this region, I can tell you that it is almost unbelievable how little young people want to come forward to say they have a problem. And how many people don't want to say that I'm not okay. And I think one of our responsibilities is to let people know that it is okay not to be okay. In this region specifically, I see a lot of people come forward, especially younger people that are okay with having a cold, COVID, all the great things that we have medically, right? That you show up for a doctor. But when your mental wellness and your mental health isn't good, it's not the same exact approach to showing up for yourself. So to me, the number one barrier is first the stigma. And I'm sure Heather and Nicole will say the same. The second piece is access. You know, if I had to get a doctor's appointment and wait on the list for six months, I probably want to keep coming forward for the doctor's appointment. You know, I'd just be like, let me fix this broken bone myself. It's the same thing with mental health, right? But when you're in a moment where you need to talk to someone or are open to talking to someone, if you can't get in relatively quickly, the likelihood of you going back again are pretty minimal. So it's a stigma issue. It's an access issue. It's hard being a young person. The world is hard. People judge you for everything. And you're growing, right? The last thing you want is the stigma of a mental health diagnosis on top of that. So a series of issues, but I think that those are the same. Yeah, I definitely agree. I'm so, so sorry to interrupt the meeting. And I apologize if we didn't tell you, but each one of you have speakers on top there. Oh, yes. The meeting is being recorded live. So if you can just make sure that the mic is on before you speak, we'd appreciate it. We are going to be taking some pictures. So if you guys are taking your courses off the top, that would also be awesome. Okay? Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that. We should have seen the speaker right in front of us as well. You guys might have to share. That was your task. We failed. Go team. Okay. Ms. Liberto, the same question to you. Sure. I believe your question was why do kids struggle to ask for help? Yes. One of the things I've spoken with a lot of youth throughout the years, one of the things that I've noticed additionally is they don't feel like they have time. Time has been an incredible barrier for our youth to access care. I've heard them say things to me like, if I say I'm depressed, then that's one more appointment I have to make and one more thing I have to do. And I was really shocked by that response. I think sometimes you feel like they're overwhelmed. There's a lot going on in their daily lives, whether it's clubs and sports and activities, time. And then additionally, they don't want to burden others with kind of having to get them to one more thing or do one more thing. So in addition to all the things that Heather and Dawn have said about, you know, access and stigma, the thing I'll add to the conversation is time. I've heard very directly kids say, I just don't have time for one more thing. Yeah. I definitely agree. I know most of us on council are very busy and we have so many things going on that I can understand that that's just another burden on the student. Miss Brooks, if you would like to answer. Thank you. So I've heard stigma, access and time and 100% agree. I'm going to frame my response around students in the schoolhouse because we know all youth come to school. And school-based mental health services are charged with linking arms with our community partners. And I'm thrilled to see so many of you here and that we engage with them on a regular basis. But within schools, sometimes it's how students are perceived or how they're responded to. And so I'd like to address also that part of our comprehensive mental health services through schools is training teachers and staff. They all come to work because they love youth. They want to interact with youth. But how do we appropriately respond to youth that may reach out? And that's a work in progress. And our schools offer youth mental health first aid training for all of our staff. And that is a required training around the state in all school districts so that we can understand how to respond to a youth that reaches out to that trusted adult. And we respond with respect, with active listening, and we listen non-judgmentally and provide reassurance and connection. Not all of us, I'll say adults too, not all of us may need therapeutic services, but we need support of some type. At some point in our lives and many times at multiple points in our lives. And so our role through school-based mental health is training our staff. How do I respond to this youth? And make sure that I don't shut them down and say, well, when I was 16, because that was for me a really long time ago. I remember what it was like, but it's not relevant in that moment. So active listening, reassurance, and connecting to the appropriate school-based individuals. And partnered with that, asking who your adult in your life is that you trust that would be like your parent or guardian. So that we're also encompassing those pieces of your life. Like I say, the fabric of a student's life. We need to also point you in that direction. So it's a full conversation to support you. Thank you. And then Mr. Frazen. So everyone's given really great answers. I will not add to the stigma phase, but that is the number one in my opinion. Another big issue that I've seen is culture. There's a lot of religions and different ethnicities that mental health is a taboo, where it may not be a real thing. So that's why when I go to culture service, I make it a point to make sure that the family understands the different mental conditions that can affect people. Mental health is an injury just like any other type of injury. I tell people all the time, if you broke your foot, you would fix it or get treatment. It's the same thing with the brain. And then the last part is fear. Fear of not being understood or believed or being told that you just need to drive on or continue, which is definitely not the case, because that's how you get deeper into a hole. Yeah. Thank you. And then would any of our youth council members have any additional comments based on that question? Are you all good? Okay. Thank you so much. That was very enlightening. And now I will now move on to question two, and that will be given by our vice chair, Brown. Thank you. My question is, is it possible to get more mental health specialists in our schools or more guidance counselors specialized in supporting students with their mental health problems? And then Ms. Cross, if we can start. Or if maybe Ms. Brooks would like to start for that school related question. Thank you. So, as you likely know, in 2018, our state of Florida developed the mental health assistance allocation that must be used exclusively for mental health services for students. And so, through that allocation, we fund in the Lee County School District 57 licensed mental health professionals that are assigned. Every school has a licensed mental health professional. Clearly, with 90-plus schools and 57 staff. We split them up and they're assigned different days at different schools. We also have on our school mental health teams school counselors, school social workers, school psychologists, and school nurses. Collectively, it's approximately 350 staff. So, there is a lot of opportunity when you look at staffing our schools. Could we always use more? Absolutely. And so, we apply for grants. And also, our superintendent and our board prioritize spending and funding for services in our schools as well. And then we're limited, though, by the amount of funding we receive. So, with that funding, we are assigning, through mental health, those 57 licensed clinicians, plus our district budget is funding all of the other positions that collectively provide mental health services in response to students. Ideally, yes, we'd have more money, more services, probably in every layer of our organization for our schools. And we continue to lean into staffing more and more. Great. Thank you. I have a follow-up question on that note. So, I know you mentioned social workers. So, I can't really, because I go to Oasis, so it's slightly different. But how would, so I know you have your guidance counselor there every day, but they're also handling all the school-related questions. How would a student get in contact with their social worker? And what is, like, I guess, the qualification? Because, obviously, they're very busy. They're going to many different schools. Sure. So, how I could answer that is, you are absolutely correct that the school counselors work at their schools and they're there every single day. And so, for us in Lee County schools, we pretty routinely tell students, if you would like to, if you'd like to tap into additional supports, like mental health supports, right? You know you go to your school counselor for college and career planning, for scheduling and academics, but social and emotional support is their jam, too, right? They would be a really good first access point for additional services. Our social workers, a lot of our students in our schools know our social workers, but sometimes, if you haven't encountered that individual, as a school counselor, I would connect my students to the social worker for different services. Or, to the licensed mental health professional. And I have to press pause there because any mental health services for our students do require parental consent and screening and some assessing there. But for general support through your school counselor, your social worker, even the school nurse is eyes and ears as students come into the clinic. Those are all adults that our school psychologists, you can go to and say, hey, you know, I'm struggling. And as part of that support and conversation, we can connect into the school mental health pieces and get that started and have conversations with your, you knowing about it. Hey, I'd like to call your parent and have that conversation with you and your parent. Did that answer your question? Yes, that did. Thank you so much. Chair, I have a follow-up as well. Yes, of course. Unless there was somebody else on the panel that wanted to answer this one. Lori, 350 staff for 100,000 students, you talk about lack of funding. There's no question, and it's been an issue in the state of Florida, that per capita funding for mental health, this state ranks near the bottom. It may be at the bottom. Legislators seem to want to listen when books are removed from school or what can be talked about or can't be talked about in the classroom. But getting them to listen about creating a funding mechanism or a funding source to get more money into these schools. How can we do that? How do we get them to listen? And, Sam, I'm not talking about school. I'm talking about state and federal funding. How do we get them to listen to finally move the needle on something that's so much needed in our school systems? I would say there's two parts to that answer because I know our community providers are struggling with underfunding to such a degree that, yes, it's problematic across the state and all partnerships. Right? So that's where we and they link arms together, school districts and our community providers. We talk regularly. We are frequently with the same type of legislative priorities and agenda moving forward because when agencies are funded and districts are funded for mental health, we all get farther down the road faster and with better outcomes for all of our citizens. So that's where those community partnerships mean a lot. And then also really just continuing to call our legislators, even as citizens, to express those concerns with data. And I know that part of our legislative priorities as a school district continue to include mental health. And so those conversations continue. But I think there's power in private citizens. We are all products of a school system. We are parents. We are grandparents, siblings, friends. And so when we are all exercising our voices together about this need, those are the two pieces I think are really important. Those community providers with districts linking arms. And then also what we can do is we have the power of voice even as individual citizens. Yes, of course. I don't want to cut you off. No, I was going to say you're free to. Thank you. Thank you. And I have a question. I have a question, too, after Ms. Dawn. So I want to agree. And I could not agree more with the collaboration and partnership. The reason I think the collaboratory job was so appealing is because a big part of our role is bringing partners together to try to get to a shared goal. I didn't know there were 350-plus providers in the district that had licensure or were supporting behavioral health. So that's incredible. But in the region, in totality for adults and youth, the ratio is one therapist to 793 residents. So if you're the state of Florida, right, and I'm a foundation trying to bring all the partners together, we're not going to hire thousands of therapists in the region anytime soon. That money will not come down. But if we're all trying to go towards the shared goal, which is making sure people stay out of crisis, young people, older adults, then we will be speaking to the legislators in a way that makes sense. And that is what we're trying to do collectively with partners in the region and everyone on this panel, you know, for sure. But I think that's, to answer your question, the way to really do it is there are goals at the state level that we are using as our proof of concept and bringing partners together to get to those goals. Because when we win in Southwest Florida, they win. And that's the name of the game, right, is to get dollars and initiatives down here that work that we can replicate and scale. And I think that's what we're trying to move towards because I think another piece of it is we need to meet youth where they're at. You know, I didn't go to high school when there was texting and social media. But maybe having therapists sitting in office for teenagers isn't the way to go. Maybe they need somebody to be able to text on the fly when they're having a struggle. And maybe there's another app or a platform we need to be leveraging to make sure they have that access. Besides AI. Right. That is becoming very scary. Yes. We get a lot of calls about the AI relationships with young people. So avoid them. They're bad. But ultimately, no, that's a great point. I just think that that is so important, the point that was made around the state level. We waiver between 48 and 49 in the country in mental health. I mean, 48th and 49th out of 50, right, is not, that's not where I want to be in the batting order. But it doesn't mean that we're going to hire thousands of therapists. I think the state is looking for what works. What can we say is replicable? What could we fund that's going to actually keep our kids out of crisis and help them on a path for long-term success? And that's how we need to be looking at it. Thank you. Member Latch. Yeah, I just have a couple of quick questions. Don kind of went there, and Tom, you kind of went there, too. So my daughter graduated from PACE, right? She had a lot of mental health issues. That's no secret. I think everyone up here knows. We struggled a lot. And so I want to know, like, so I think the reason that PACE Center for Girls was so successful is because it really honed in on, you know, girls that had certain risk factors, if you will, and they had a licensed mental health therapist, like, three to one, two to one. I mean, and that's why I'm on the board, and that's what we raise money for. And I know that's not realistic in public school. I went to public school when we didn't have cell phones either. And, or social media, which is very bad for young girls. So I just want to know, like, talk a little bit, if you could, Ms. Brooks, about, like, the process. Because I'm sad that some of the, a lot of the Lee County kids that are on this council aren't here today. I think I have two. Do you, where do you go? You go? Joseph Rowe. We only have member jobs. Oh, you go to Bishop. Oh, we all have member jobs. So, and, and one of the things that they talked about was the kids before, when we had this joint meeting with our city council, is they had talked about, you know, the process. If someone was struggling, and I experienced this with my own daughter when she went to regular, you know, Lee County High School here in Cape Coral, where it went straight from she's in crisis to, you know, resource officer. So is, has that process changed at all? In other words, it doesn't just go straight from, oh, this person's threatening to kill themselves, or her harm themselves, or harm someone else. We need to get the officer involved so they can Baker Act her. Like, you mentioned that, that, you know, you involved the parents, which happened, too, back in 2018-19, when my daughter was going through this. But it was always pretty much ended up in a Baker Act. So I'm just wondering what that process looks like, because I know some of the other kids asked that. And they talked about, there's something mental health, mental health moment Wednesday that you do in the school. On this Wednesday. Yeah, and they didn't like those. They said they were useless. So I just, to speak to those kids who aren't here, could you maybe talk about that process? And maybe there's something else we can do, you all could do, instead of the Wellness Wednesday. Absolutely. So I heard two issues. What is the process when a student is in crisis? And then also the Wellness Wednesday. So I'll address Wellness Wednesday first, if that's okay. That Wellness Wednesday was the district's response to required instruction. I don't like the word required, however, State Board of Education rule went into effect in 2019. And it required certain instruction every year that was developmentally appropriate. And then it scaffolded year to year. Districts had to move quickly. And so we put instruction into place. We had focus groups of parents, students, teachers, administrators, and community members that reviewed some of the Wellness Wednesday videos to say, does this meet the need? Now, back then, it did. And I'll tell you why. Because in 2018-19 was our first year with the Mental Health Assistance Allocation. It was the first time schools in Florida had funding for mental health. We all knew it was desperately needed. And yet, we had to build the plane while we were flying it. So we are years down the road now. And Wellness Wednesday needs to be revamped. So, dovetailing in with our SAVE clubs, Ms. Mullum is here today. And so is Ms. Wenzel. Ms. Mullum oversees our SAVE clubs. Ms. Wenzel is our mental health coordinator for the district. The SAVE club students have an active voice in revamping our Wellness Wednesday instruction. We heard loud and clear in 2019 that our teachers felt ill-prepared to teach these types of topics. There was also another kind of, in my opinion, error that was made by, they called it mental health instruction, mental health and wellness instruction. And really, it was resiliency. They changed it a year later. But I think that the kind of the fear of teachers, like, I don't have the skills to teach this. I love my kids. I want to connect with them. But I don't have the skills for this. So that's where we were. It was video-based with pause and, you know, write in your wellness plan. We are ready for interaction. And so our plan is use our SAVE Promise club students to help us. We've got the permission slips and we're getting ready to convene them to work through these lessons. How can we make them more interactive? And then I've asked our schools, the teachers that are comfortable, to coach up and build up the teachers that are uncomfortable with the deeper interaction so that we've got discussion stems. And also, how do we build the bench? How do they watch classrooms where the teacher can model that for them? So we're working to address how do we work on the resiliency instruction? It's just a work in progress. And so we hear you. And, you know, we understand it is no longer ideal. It was not even really truly ideal to begin with. It was where we were. We're not there anymore. And we need to move forward. So with students in crisis, in 2019, Senate Bill 590 passed and went into state law. And we were following best practices in Lee County where we encouraged our schools. If we did the Columbia Suicide Risk Assessment and it warranted the parent. Of course, we call the parents no matter what. But if it warranted at a level, a clinical assessment for an involuntary examination under the Baker Act, we were calling in CPE's mobile crisis team and the parent. And we were asking our schools to reserve the school resource officer involvement unless they absolutely had to get involved. If mobile crisis could report, we wanted mobile crisis doing the assessment. Not because our law enforcement partners are not valued and wonderful. And thank you for keeping us safe. It's that the clinical assessment is the first and best assessment. And even our law enforcement partners will say, I'd prefer that we have a clinical assessment rather than having law enforcement assess as a risk mitigation strategy. Because an involuntary examination is the only time an individual will be stripped of their rights other than an arrest. We need to take that very seriously. And we need to safety plan and assess. And Heather Cross can speak to this at length. That we need to, if we place an individual under a Baker Act, it is because we cannot keep them safe from themselves. Sure, sure. Okay? So when Senate Bill 590 passed, our best practices became state statute. And that was music to our ears because now we were required, this is why I like required, we were required to ensure that we call the parent and mobile crisis before we do anything else. And if the parent would consent to mobile crisis coming out, we want the parent there as well. And they would engage in that process. The threshold for school resource officer involvement is imminent danger. And then also, they do have to get involved when mobile crisis is unable to respond. But again, the parent is called and we are working with the parent at that point. So that's when the process became more clinical and less, law enforcement used to be our only option. I know. I'm grateful. And we didn't even have a circuit 20 mobile crisis team in 2018. And now we do. Good. Good to know. So again, miles down the road. Thank you. I hope that answers your question. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. And quick point of order. When I mentioned 350 mental health professionals, please understand that we have masters. They're under school-based statute, mental health professionals. They're masters degreed. But we also have our licensed clinicians. Many of us are school counselors, social workers, psychs, and nurses. They all have 90% of their job is all the other things they do, which is why we also needed licensed mental health professionals. Because 100% of their job has to be mental health as well. Gotcha. Thank you. Would you like to add a yes? Yeah. Ms. Cross. Thank you. Yeah, I just want to speak on the partnership with the Lee County Schools and the calls that we get. Since 2019, we really ramped up our staffing. And again, this is due on funding because we are a nonprofit. So we can only staff as much as we're funded. But I will tell you, we very seldom, if ever anymore, have to turn down coming to the school because we don't have a team available. We are primarily focused on the kids in Lee County. And with that being said, when we are called into the school to divert a Baker Act, our diversion rate right now is between 92 and 94%. That's great. So that's that many kids that are not being hospitalized at a crisis receiving facility for a short period of time and then sent back home. One of the things that we are powered up to do this year is if we do have to Baker Act, we want to make sure that the parents and the kiddos know that we're there after they walk out that door. We offer our case management services. So, for example, when Nicole was talking about, oh, my gosh, we got all these things to do. I don't have time to do this. We help the families navigate the system. And with that being said, also educating the family, if we aren't listening to our child, they're going to be right back in handcuffs in the back of the police car transported to a crisis receiving facility. So we also know that there's more trauma that goes with a Baker Act because kids are handcuffed. At one point, they were shackled. And then they are also put in the back of a white van that is not marked, but it's a Lee County van that's a correction van that's very disturbing. And then they're taken to the crisis unit, which only serves as a Band-Aid. Right. So they're not up there in enough time to really peel back that onion and understand where this crisis came from. So we want to ensure that because we know that happens, that the parent really embraces CPE when the kid is walking out that door. We have the ability to meet with the kiddos on the crisis receiving facility units. So we're doing what's called that warm handoff. We can be there the day of discharge and walk that person out to meet with their family to be transported home. Our probably most popular service, and this goes back to what someone said about not everybody's ready for individual therapy. Our most popular service, and you can even refer to us for this service, is our peer support recovery specialists. These are actually people that CPE employ that have mental health issues, that have mental health period or have families. So it's very appealing for a peer support specialist to meet with a kiddo in the home or at the park shooting baskets or going to Sky Zone or any kind of activity where we're meeting kids where they're at. Being able to be completely mobile, because all of our services are completely mobile, we do not have to worry about other barriers such as transportation for parents coming to our office or our location. The other good news about CPE is all of our services are free, so no one ever has to worry about the expense of mental health services. Even though we are considered the front end of mental health care, we still are all-time mental health care, meaning we are 24 hours a day, seven days a week. We have the hotline that you actually get a live person on. There's no automation. So if it's 2 in the morning or 2 in the afternoon and you receive some disturbing news, call us. You know, we can talk about it. So, you know, our mental health services act much like medical care, where medical care is 24 hours, because you can go to the ER. You can go to the urgent care. You can access mental health care through CPE 24 hours a day, seven days a week. We do have to have consent. It is voluntary services. The parent has to consent for us to come out to see the child and then the adult, because we service kids and adults. So, you know, I just want to drive home the fact that, you know, what we're doing is working. We're keeping 92 to 94 percent of the kids out of the crisis unit, but we're really focusing on them not going back, because we have data that shows, you know, two admissions, three admissions, four admissions. So what's not working? So, you know, we rely on the partners at Lee County schools as well as the crisis teams to say, listen, here's the benefits of having CPE in your life. A, we don't have to be hospitalized again, because what we do that law enforcement does not do is our safety plan. So again, we're going through that safety plan, going through every measure to keep that kid safe. Law enforcement does not do that. So that's the advantage of having a real-life clinician on site doing that as well versus just Baker acting. So, you know, I just want to say that, you know, we have so many different opportunities when you link with us, because we can link you with other community partners. And we look at all those barriers or those social determinants. You know, can a family get the kid to therapy? Is it accessible? You know, is it a two-month wait, six-month wait? People are not going to wait six months. And then the other part is the transportation. CPE recently received a grant, because we're always applying for grants, and we got a grant through a foundation here in Lee County for social determinants. And that means that any client that has some issues, whether it's getting to their medical appointment, getting to their mental health appointment, paying for medication, they lost their job, they need food, their lights are getting ready to shut off. We received $25,000 from a foundation to help with social determinants. That speaks volumes when it comes to people's mental health. So we're always looking for other opportunities, because, again, we're keeping people out of hospitals. We're also keeping people out of incarceration. Because law enforcement are accessing us. We currently have a partnership with Fort Myers Police Department, where we have a co-responder unit. So we're embedded in law enforcement, because we know law enforcement are the number one people that Baker Act. So now we have a clinician in a police car. We have a case manager in a police car. National average for crisis response units for diversion is 10% to 15%. In Fort Myers, we are at 57%. So we're also not having to use any force. And we're also keeping people, again, out of the hospitals and jail by providing mental health care. Thank you. I appreciate it. Member Jack. Yeah, I had a question. So when you're encountering kids in crisis, how do you make them feel safe? Because you were just talking about how people get admitted twice, three times to four times. So how do you make them feel safe? I know you mentioned having their family come and having peer counseling, which really helps and is really popular. But what is really important is the first time, because I feel like that's when they're most vulnerable. You're right. And we look at that. We even start with what we wear to work, right? So if I'm coming to the school in a suit, you know, it's a very sterile. Please don't. Right. Right. So, you know, as long as you look fine, I mean, because, again, looks can be intimidating, correct, with what you wear. So, you know, we travel in teams. I have a pretty young staff. And so we kind of divide and conquer. And it's whether it's sitting on the floor, whether it's laying down beside you, whether it's sitting beside you at the desk, whether it's taking a walk outside. That's what we do. We meet you where you're at. Can I add to that piece, too, because I think a missing component I've seen down here is the inauthenticity. So we're all having a human experience, whether we want to acknowledge that or not. So when someone's in a crisis, the last thing they want is a sterile. You can be in jeans and a sweatshirt. But if you come off as someone that's like kind of cares, kind of doesn't care, maybe they're in it, maybe they're not. That, I don't think, is going to help anyone access care. So I always recommend to people, you know, showing up as an authentic, caring person about something goes a long way farther than any of the other attributes. When people know you care, then they care. Right? And they're going to be more willing. I know I would be. And they will feel it. Yeah, if someone comes to me sterile about something or very all business, that's pretty much the end of that for me. Because you want to build an authentic relationship when you're having a tough time. Right? You don't want someone who's going to come out fraudulent and not genuinely care about you. So I think that's one of the most important pieces is we forget that we're human beings and sometimes we talk to people very robotic. Mm-hmm. You know, and really people just want to know that you're in it with them. Mm-hmm. And listening to them. I'll just add to that. Mm-hmm. Listening. I mean, not listening to respond, but listen to listen and really understand what is happening with you at that current state and time. Because you said something that was so right on the money, the first time is one of the most important times. And that's true for so many encounters when it comes to mental health in terms of, you know, care in perpetuity. Right? Mm-hmm. You want to make sure that that first time that somebody access help, that they feel like they're being heard, that they feel like they're being understood, listened to, really listened to, and cared about genuinely. To Dawn's point, you can't put a price on that. Mm-hmm. Sure. And you were right on the money. Mm-hmm. Good question. Thank you. Does anyone else have anything before we move on? Actually. Yes. When this question first came out, I wrote, not for me on here. It's a school thing. But after listening to all the things, I 100% agree. One of the big things that maybe people don't realize is every SRO that's a Cape Coral officer has gone to CIT, which is a crisis intervention team. It's a 40-hour week training that teaches them about all the resources. They partner with CPE and other resources around Lee County, which CPE is a great resource. When I first started with law enforcement in Lee County, I was going to Baker Act probably at least five, six, seven a week. Now it won't be common if I see one or two every other week. The people that we were Baker Act over and over again every three, four days have dropped off because through CPE, they can get those same resources they can in a facility, except for being taken out of their safety comfort zone of their home and forced into a cell, if you will. They're getting the same treatment at home comfortably. The resources are coming to them. And it's at their own pace. They can say, hey, you know what? I'm doing well. We can go to counseling less and less. The other big thing that I know CPE does is a lot of times like, hey, I've reached out to get counseling or see a therapist. They told me it's six months. I know CPE does referrals and can get them in much sooner, if not the next day. As a matter of fact, CPE actually responded to my house for one of my children a few years ago. And I would say I was pretty well with the mental health community. I knew all this stuff. But when it happens to you and your own family, all that stuff goes out the window and panic sets in. CPE came out with a team. It was four individuals. And each one of them had their own specialty. And that's where it opened my eyes to this is the way we need to go. Law enforcement is a great asset for this when we're talking danger. When there's, without any help, someone is a severe risk for harm. Everything else can be handled through counseling and through the medical field where it should be. Thank you. Yes. Okay. Are we all good? Okay. Perfect. I will now go to the... Sorry about that. Our third question will be asked from Member Jackson. How likely is it that for those who struggle with mental health to turn to substances in order to order self-medicine? In order to self-medicate? Yes. So essentially, yes. Because they're struggling with mental health, how likely is it for them to turn to nicotine, vaping, alcohol? Ms. Roberta, if you would like to start off the discussion. Sure. I think as humans, you know, we all love to try to cope with our struggles. I'll say that from the beginning. And very often, it's easy to adapt maladaptive coping strategies because they're easy and they're satisfying and they're quick and they give people relief. And very often when you're struggling with mental health issues, you're looking for relief in any way, shape, or form that you can get it. So it is not a far jump for someone to experience anxiety or depression or just negative thoughts to go from feeling that way to trying anything that can help alleviate some of that pain, of that fear, of that stress. And unfortunately, it's starting younger and younger. And I, as a parent of two kids who went through our school systems in Lee County, I remember being floored when my sixth grader at the time came home and said that there were gummies in school. And I didn't know what gummies were at the time. I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, what is that? I was like, for them, it's even more challenging. You know, people will look to self-soothe in any way possible. And, you know, initially it solves the problem of I don't have to ask for help and I don't have to go anywhere and I don't have to do anything because this is taking care of that for me. Right? So it's a solution, unfortunately, that our youth are able to access quickly for themselves. But it's obviously not a healthy solution. It's not a long-term solution and it's obviously going to cause a lot more complications further down the line for them by experimenting with things so young. Would anyone, the Solarch, do you have anything to add on that? Yeah, I can't add any because that was a wonderful response and so accurate. In my prior life, I ran addiction treatment campuses across the country. So I can tell you it's not a far jump at all. To Nicole's statement, I often use an analogy. It has some terminology I won't use here. But it's a committee in your head. And for young people, that voice becomes very loud. And it's usually traumatic experiences, learned behaviors, habits that you form over time. And when you find a solution like a substance that easily quiets the noise of the committee, you will use it pretty readily. And in my experience, I've seen a lot of people not come back from substance use. 18, 19, 20 years old. You know, one time use never returned. So I don't say it as a fearful statement, but to really Nicole's statement of the minute the committee starts spiking up some conversation is the minute to get the help. Because the next habit that you form could be the last one that you develop. And I feel super passionate about that. That is really my platform is substance use because I feel like we don't talk about it enough. And it's not always a substance. People are gambling. There's sex addiction. There's every addiction under the sun. But what it is, is you just replacing the work of quiting the committee with a temporary solution that has no long-term positive impact. Another thing about that too, Dawn, is in adult addiction, I never met too many adults that start addiction in adulthood. Right. You know, these things tend to start in adolescence. You know, when was your first drink? When was your first use? Oh, I was 14. I was 15. I was 16. You know, very rarely do adults come into treatment and say, oh, I started using when I was 40. Right. You know, so -- Good point. So, but to your point earlier about the treatment programs, it's happening. It's happening all across the country, every day, everywhere, to our youth for many reasons. I'm not going to last. Okay. I had a question. So, when you -- I really liked your thing about substance camps, which I was going to ask, like, for children, you -- like, as she said, they grow up with the addiction. And kids are more likely to keep stuff with them and grow. Mm-hmm. So, it gets worse and worse. So, how do you stop addiction in kids when they're young? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, as young people, your brain is developing, right? Mm-hmm. At some point, our brains will stop developing. And we can refine and massage it and learn new habits. But in those earlier years is where you're capturing the habits that you're taking into adulthood, right? To Nicole's point. So, the last thing you really want is to hold on to a terrible coping strategy that you're going to bring into adulthood. So, the answer is really early intervention. Mm-hmm. The reason that I thought that these were great panelists and why we're all talking about this topic is because we need to reduce the stigma so much so that -- Mm-hmm. And I want to put billboards up all around -- all everywhere at some point saying, "It's okay to not be okay." Mm-hmm. Because the first minute you can say something means that you're raising the flag to not have to develop the habit down the road. Mm-hmm. And that's the solution. Early intervention, not going through a Baker Act, making sure that you have healthy coping strategies. Mm-hmm. There will be bad things that happen to you or in your life. But figuring out ways to cope that aren't something that's detrimental to you early so that by the time you're older, you know how to work it. You know, that's really the secret sauce. And having that trusted someone you can go to. Mm-hmm. Your people. Your people. You have to have your people. Mm-hmm. You know, you have to -- you have the -- once you have the education, you know, it's -- I can't thank -- you know, I can't thank early intervention enough because it taught my kids in sixth grade, you know, that they're -- these are drugs. Okay. So, good. Thank you. But to have them come home and say, "Mom, this was actually happening," was, as a parent, you know, such an honor, because I'm like, "Thank God you told me." Right? Like, "Oh, thank goodness. You're having this conversation. This is really important." And I think it's also important for adults to be aware that kids may come to you and say these things, but it's also very important that we meet them with open curiosity and conversations and open the door for them to continue the conversation and not shut it down, like, "Oh, don't do drugs." Like, "Well, tell me more. You know, what happened?" Drugs are bad. Throughout the day. So, that is also -- you've got to have your people. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I was about to say, like you said, like, when you're a kid and your frontal lobe isn't fully developed until you're 25, you keep everything with you to adulthood. And you're more likely -- you don't know what's wrong or right yet. Mm-hmm. Even when you're a high schooler, a middle schooler, you're not there yet. Mm-hmm. So, I think early intervention, nipping it in the bun is very good. Get a good squad of people and ask them hard questions and make sure that they're giving you information that helps you develop that frontal lobe in a healthy way. Mm-hmm. Because that's the lobe you're taking into adulthood, you know, whether you like it or not. So, it's really important. Yeah. I would say that's another big thing for me because I was just -- I'm not trying to call anyone out. It's a conversation with someone who I know uses substances and, like, I was just casually in conversation. They're like, "Yeah, when I turn 18, I'm going to get my CBD card because it helps me with my mental health." And, like, that was so casual to her. Mm-hmm. And, like, I was amazed that it's like we generally think, like, that's just a regular solution. And I know I'm not trying to discredit. Like, I know that certain things like CBD can actually help people in mental health illnesses. But when you're 16, 17 years old, like, this is already in your plan. It's going to stick with you forever. And it was actually -- it made me so sad. So, it's a very big issue. And then, again, this will come back later on, but -- so, I do -- I'm part of Lee County's teen court. So, I'm one of the -- like, I'm one of the attorneys there. And a lot of the time, it's the kids with -- that are struggling most. They have the vapes. They have all of that. And those are the ones getting in trouble. So, it's just like -- I feel like there's such a clear connection that they want that quick relief. But then, that's what's going to end up putting them down a darker path. Yeah. What was your feedback when she said that? Or he -- Yeah. No. She said -- I -- I really wasn't shocked. Because it was the way she so -- I wasn't -- I'm not the closest with this person. But she was just telling me about a bunch of things. And I was like -- I feel like now I should have said something even more then. But I was -- she was just like -- and she was talking to me about her dad. She was like, "Yeah, my dad does the same thing. So, he's going to help me." And I was -- I really was just listening. Because I've never heard someone so, like, confidently be like, "Yeah, well, I need to take it because of my anxiety." It's almost like an excuse, I guess. It's like, "Oh, well, I have this reason. So, it's okay." But, no. I definitely probably should have said something. But also, when she was so sure and, like, said that it was fine. And, again, now that it is -- it is legal, right? 18 for -- I mean, I don't know. Like, is that -- like, isn't CBD legal? Or 18 or is it 21 still? It's 21. I think it's 21, isn't it? I don't know. Is CBD a card? Yeah, it's like -- CBD is -- CBD is legal for everyone. Oh, but -- And she's talking about THC earlier on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. I mean, I'm from the Northeast. Everything's legal. I don't know what the ages are down here. But -- yeah, she was talking about getting her card, and I was, like, amazed that this was so, like -- If a doctor prescribes it, a doctor prescribes it. Exactly. That's -- it has to be prescribed through a doctor. So I won't challenge that at all. Yeah, but I don't know. It just -- yeah. But look at how quickly they get, like, caught up in our story. Yeah. Right? Like, this is one of the scary things for young people. So the story this person's told themselves is that I need it for my mental health in the same way I don't need to work out. And I don't know if I'm talking to all the excuses we make of the things we don't need to do. But that's now their story. Yeah. That's part of the habitual pattern of their life. And that could pretty much scale to every single addiction under the sun. You know, I need that. This is part -- this is what I do. This is part of who I am. And I think that's why we're trying to de-stigmatize so that that early intervention gets in before you can actually create habits that you'll have to unravel for years. Yeah. Or it's the, oh, I don't want to get addicted, so I'm just going to have it once in a while. Right. The weekend warriors. Lots of weekend warriors. Yeah. Yes. I'm more concerned of what that person's doing now. Why wait two years or how long to -- I'm pretty sure she gets her -- I'm not trying to call this person out at all. Right. No, I understand. But, I mean, this is -- a lot of people are in the same boat. Yeah. And by talking about this case, there's probably a lot of people that are like, oh, well, I'll go get help two years from now when I can get help. Yeah. And this way. What steps are they putting in place now? And maybe two years from now they won't even need that. Yeah. Would anyone else like to add on to this question, Ms. Collester? I think you make an interesting point, though, in terms of how do we support our youth when it comes to -- look at the question -- substance use. You know, we also have to help our parents. We have to help our parents. We have to help them understand this isn't about -- you know, your point earlier, Jennifer, about like when I went to school. Like, no. You know, we have to help them understand the language of today, the conversations of today, the relationships of today. And that will also take us kind of to the next level because, you know, we can't just leave this all in your hands and say, this is for our youth. You know, this is for our families as well. I'll just say that. Yeah. Because a lot of -- No, no, you're good. I was going to quickly add. Sorry. I just wanted to add. But you can. A lot of parents will be like, well, at least I'd rather them do it in front of me instead of doing it at home. But it's like, that's just giving a gateway. And like, okay, yes, it's probably safer if they do it in front of you, alcohol, drugs, whatever it may be. But that's just opening the door. So I feel like we definitely need to offer more support for the parents too to know that once they start once, that's just going to make them feel like it's okay moving on for the -- Like, I was going to add, like, meeting them where they're at, like she said earlier, I think that's one of the most important things. And not just meeting the child, but also meeting the parent as well. Mm-hmm. Good point. Really good point. Does anyone else have anything to say for this question? Okay. Perfect. We will now move on to question four and member Johnson will be giving us that question. My question is, is what long-term changes need to happen in our community to better support youth mental health? That's a good question. So, Ms. Brooks, would you like to start us off? Sure. That's a really good question. And I think that we need, in our community -- and I've talked about school district, but I'm going to respond from community -- We need more funding, more access, and it truly takes the entire community. I've heard a lot today about parents and youth and school staff. And it takes all of us. Mm-hmm. And it takes funding. It's because funding provides greater access to services. If people knock on the door for services at that time when they feel it's raw for them and they're going to reach out, and they're told there's a waiting list, we don't know the next time when it's going to be raw enough for them to say, I've got to make that call. Mm-hmm. A lot of times, people hit a crisis point, they make the call, and then if there's not the services, they may not hit that crisis point, but they're still struggling. And also, you know, they may be in crisis and still not reach back out. The timing is everything. And then also, you know, really being able to say, yes, we've got that available to you. Insurance coverage has gotten better, and we're still not great. You know, we have more and more families that tell us when we talk to them about their child's mental health, if they would prefer not to engage in school-based services, we help them navigate their insurance. A few short years ago, many would answer, I don't have coverage for mental health. And more and more of them are saying, I do have some coverage for mental health, and we help them navigate their list of providers. So funding, access, continued conversations, and really lots of partnerships and collaboration. Thank you. Officer Frazen, would you like to add on this? Officer Frazen, would you like to add on this? Officer Frazen, would you like to add on this? Officer Frazen, would you like to add on this? Officer Frazen, would you like to add on this? Officer Frazen, would you like to add on this? 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And I think, you know, being fully transparent and really trying to explain that to, you know, people in the community and understanding that they both kind of play off each other, right? So like, you know, if you're stressed out mentally, it can cause physical attributes. And vice versa, you're stressed out because you just had a heart attack. You know, what am I going to do? How am I going to afford the aftercare of my heart condition? You know, and it does go back to parents because I can't tell you how many times we are working with kiddos and we will reach out to the parents and say, hey, you know, as soon as Heather comes off the unit, we'd be willing to sit down and have a conversation. What's next practices? And we don't get that return call. Parents aren't signing consents to allow us to help with the child because again, it goes back to the stigma. Oh, I can't let anybody know my kid has mental health. They're, you know, they're looked at crazy. And so, you know, we're still pounding the payment. We will till the day that I die. Getting that message out there that take care of, you know, we call it brain health. Take care of your brain. And, you know, let us help you navigate those. You know, we help people sign up for insurance every day. That was an issue. You know, I don't have coverage. But funding, you know, the ironic thing about us is the more funding that we can receive, whether it's through private donors, philanthropy dollars, grants, whatever that looks like. The more funding we can receive, the more staff I can hire to provide more free mental health care 24 hours a day. All of our funding or the majority of our funding comes through Department of Children and Family Services. And Central Florida manages that contract. And so it's just very ironic. The more money that we can have funded, the more free mental health care we can offer to the community. Thank you, Ms. Cox. Ms. Elma, do you have anything on that? Well, I'll echo what everyone else said. I think if I just think of that off the cusp, the first thing that came to me is what every person with the disease of addiction experiences when they walk into a 12-step meeting, which is as a community, we need to at some point surrender. Like step one is we, for some reason in our region, as the 48th most prominent mental health provider in this beautiful country, have not surrendered to the fact yet that we need to do something better. We also, there's some sort of stigma around the idea that if you're mentally ill, you're in some victimhood, or you appear some way, or you're crazy. I won't speak for other leaders on this panel, but there are people in CEO roles that have mental health challenges. I'll put both my hands up. It's just that surrender as a community as to we need to do something better, I think is step one. Because if we don't do that, then we can't even do the next steps. And then it's bringing funding towards things that work. Heather talked really, really great today, and I know Nicole and I feel very strongly about this. The purpose of mental health treatment isn't to perpetually go through crisis. The purpose is that you intervene early enough to get the support you need so that you live a long and thriving life. And the quicker we can come together as partners to identify what works and leverage funding towards those things, the quicker the state is going to help us get dollars here to scale. And I think those two things have to happen in pretty quick order. But without surrendering to the fact that we're terrible at this, and I'm sorry that sounds harsh, but that's like step one. It's like we're 48th out of 50. Like that's not good. You know, if your stocks are performing in the bottom of that batting order, you'd be like, time to reinvest. You know, but we have to do the same with mental health and addiction because it's just the long term impact is going to be more costly and more detrimental to our region than we can ever imagine. Yeah. I have kind of a question. It's kind of off topic, but it's not on the topic. One thing that I find a lot with this, why there is such a stigma is people think, oh, they're faking it for attention. Oh, they're just doing or they're just making it up. They're just lying. They're just making it to post on social media so people will like listen to them. What would you have to, what would any of you guys have to say that how do we, because I feel like those people also need help. They just don't realize it. For sure. And they're not just expressing in a way too. So how do we, I guess, kind of combat that problem and identify who are the people that may actually really need help and why are we, I guess, doing this in the first place, if that makes sense. Well, and so what if they are faking it? Yeah. So what if they are? I mean, you know how many adults are faking things every day? Like it's unbelievable. I think the person to talk to is the clinical person because they're going to help them root through that. And you don't want to negate it and then something terrible happens. Right? So I just think sometimes we put ourselves in position of martyr to solve problems for people when we should have the services that can help figure it out. That's my feeling on it. Like, so what if they are? I mean, that's for somebody that's an expert in that area to be able to talk through with them because there's another issue that's underneath that service. Right? Like I want to do a whole assessment on that, you know, but that's for somebody with that expertise to do. Yeah. Thank you. And then, Ms. Lurie, do you have anything else to say on this topic? Or? I just want to address the stigma part one last time in terms of the medical world because I'm from, you know, one of the largest healthcare systems in the county. And as we try to normalize mental health, mental health care, mental health screenings, you know, we are evolving in terms of a medical organization to be able to ask depression and anxiety screenings in your primary care visit. So I will say we're trying to expand the parameters by which we evaluate mental health from the door, from the front door, right? So that when you go to your primary care doctor, you're not only being asked, how's your, are you hypertensive? Are you, how's your blood pressure? You know, are you sick? All these things, but that you're also being asked some very targeted questions about your mental health with follow-up care. So we've intentionally embedded some psychologists and clinicians into primary care offices to help address this very thing. So I feel like we've got a good beginning. But, you know, we do need to continue to grow and we need to continue to evolve. But we are at the beginning stages of treating mental health care like, you know, any other medical condition that you may be having. And I feel like we do that really well here in this county. And we also have embedded in the organization peer supports and mental health navigators for our youth. And, you know, there's, there's a lot of targeted efforts and initiatives around this level of care. So from the organ, from an, from a healthcare organization, I feel like, you know, like the school systems, we're trying and we're evolving and we're trying new things. And we're definitely able to expand our reach and cast our net wider than we ever have been. I think challenges still do present themselves in terms of barriers about asking for help and then having the time to go to the help. I think those still remain core, core issues for us. Thank you. Okay. Does anyone else? Oh, member Johnson. Yes. I think one thing that I've kind of seen and heard the past, honestly, the past three months is a lot of people saying, well, you can't, we can't help you if you don't ask for help. And you, nothing can happen if you don't come forward and say like, I need help. And all I want to say is like, well, no, like there's more that can be done. And I think that's kind of more the problem with stigma is that people just think that they think, okay, well, 30 years ago, we kind of just dealt with it. And we kind of just, you know, that's what happened. And, but it's like, we're, but we're, this isn't 30 years ago. This is today. And there's more things happening. And I think on a personal, personal level, I've kind of felt that because when I first was going through mental health issues, my dad kind of said, well, 30 years ago, like we kind of just dealt with it. Like, how do you kind of just got to kick in the butt and you got to move on. And I kind of, and I, at first I kind of listened and I was like, okay, like it's fine. But then it's like, you get to a point where you can't keep on just dealing with it. And you get to a stop, you get to a breaking point. You just, you want to break and you don't know what to do with yourself. And then that's when they realize like, oh my God, like something's happening. Something's got to happen with it. And then, then you go to get help. And then when you get help, you're put on a year and a year wait list. And when I first went to get help, I was put on a two year waiting list with insurance. And I was like, well, that's not going to work for me. So then, you know, you have to go into the digging. And then the longer you spend digging, the longer, you know, this issue keeps on arising. So then you find somebody, oh great, like I'm getting help. This is great. A year down the line, you switch insurance, it says, oh, it's going to be $200 now. So then it's like, well, I can't afford that anymore. So I think a lot of people don't understand is like, unless you're in the situation, you don't, you don't know. Or unless you have a family member in the situation, it's like, you don't understand, you don't know. So when I hear like the words that like, sir. Claire bear. It's okay. Just breathe, honey. Take your time. Yeah, take your time, boo. When you hear the words like, you're fine. Like that's hard. So I think people just need to understand it's like, you can't just, it's more than just, sorry. It's more than that. And like, it's hard to ask for help. And there needs to be resources. There needs to be more resources for that. And I think that's kind of part of like the stigma and people need to understand it. So I think it's kind of just on a personal, on a personal level, people need to understand. It's like we're in today and there's things that can happen. And you can't just, some people just don't understand each other in this situation or a family member's in this situation. And I think people just need to open up more and realize that like, things happen and things need to move on and we need to grow from it. So I think like what you guys talking about stigma like that's super important. Like that's the first thing that's happened. Like we need to break the stigma. We need to, we need to grow and need to realize like, we're not there. It's not 30 years ago. We're in the now. So I think hearing you guys all say that it's like, it's really important. Cause that's like, that's the first step. You're right. You're right. Claire. Like getting people, people to understand. And then I think a big thing also, it's sometimes the people, I will say this, especially, remember Johnson's a very hardworking individual in school and everything else. And it's sometimes the people that you think are the most okay are the ones who have the most things going on at home. And again, you're like, oh, well they're doing good in school. They're doing all of these activities. They must be fine. They must have it all together. But a lot of the times there's so much more underneath it. So that was kind of another question I had going on later. Like how do we get help to the people that say they're, or present that they're okay, but deep down they're, they're obviously going through a lot more. Chair, really quick, if I could. There it is. We've got several generations represented in this room today. Me being the oldest is a boomer. Yeah. You know. Thanks for, you know, Whatever. I'm just a gen Xer. I'm right. I'm right under you. My mental health is not, you know, our generation kept a mask on me. It's what Claire's tough it out. You know, millennials learn from their parents. They did the same thing. Generations kept going. We keep using the same words stigma and lack of funding. How this young woman just exposed herself. How this young woman down here exposed herself saying the right things. This is the generation, to me, that can change the game. This is the generation that we have to listen to now. Because they can start breaking down the word stigma and help you and your cause. You know, you talk about it just getting started. This is the group that can help you take it to the next level, in my opinion, because they care. You know, they're going through it all. They're willing to talk about it. You know, they have the strength to do what Claire just did. They have the strength to do what member Jock just did. This isn't easy for this age group. But they're willing to step out. My generation wasn't. Millennials weren't. But this is why events like this are important. And I hope to God that we continue to pay attention to this age group. Because they're the ones that are going to change it as we move forward. Yeah, and Claire, I mean, you know, most of you know my story with my Piper, right? Even Dawn knows. Dawn got to meet her. Oh. And she is a spitfire. I don't know where she got that from. But she wants to help people. She wants to be that peer recovery person. Dawn had a long conversation with her. And I think you're right, Claire. That's one of the biggest, you know, when you're a mom, you go, God, why did I do that that way? That was one of the biggest mistakes I think I ever made in the beginning is I said, oh, just suck it up, buttercup. It's all good. You're going to be fine. And then years later, that song by Miranda Lambert came on about hiding your crazy. And she's like, that's you. And I'm like, what? So I think that's the biggest mistake I made as a parent. Because even I wasn't really paying attention. And I didn't understand the severity of it after the fifth Baker Act where the self-harm occurred. I got the message loud and clear. But you're right. I mean, you know, I mean, like I used to joke that I probably bought Dr. Omar Richie a second summer home somewhere. And the last time that she was Baker Act, and I think I told you, Nicole, you know, Lee Health called and told me to take her back. And she'd only been there 14 hours. And that's when she actually harmed herself. But they were out of beds. It was 2021 right after COVID and everybody was having mental health issues. And Gala Sanos was like, you got to come get her. She's not the worst one. And I don't know. I mean, I think I blacked out. I really don't remember what I screamed at that nurse for, but I'm sure it wasn't very nice. And so, you know, you're right. And I think what Tom was saying is, you know, we got to bring awareness to them. And I promise to all of you, I'm having these conversations now that I know these new professionals, because I promise you as a mom, as a citizen of Cape Coole, as an elected official, I want to figure out how we can start helping you within the city. Because we don't have services. And you said it, Chair Sorzak. They kept asking questions of our city council. Oh, what are we doing about mental health for the adolescents? I was like, everyone's looking at me on my council. I'm like, nothing. We have no services here. But I didn't know about your service when I was going through it. I mean, I just was greeted at the door every, for the five times by a lovely Cape Coral PD, you know, person. And so I just appreciate you sharing. But, you know, both of you sharing, because it's not easy. But I commit to you that we will keep this going. Because this is not new to this youth council. This same conversation's been having for about the last five years with this group. So thanks. I would just like to say one thing, adding on to that. So I hear that a lot when I go to calls and parents always say this. This is new. Why are we dealing with this now? We never dealt with this when I was a kid 30 years ago. We just sucked it up. That's the biggest lie I hear. Because 30 years ago, they didn't just come around. They ended up in prison. They ended up homeless. They ended up in the morgue. And the statistics didn't track it back then. We have the technology and the medical information that shows that, hey, this isn't just something that's being made up. This is something that is real. How we're handling it, if we do it the same way that we did 30 years ago, our prison's going to be overpopulated. Loved ones are going to be in the morgue and our homeless population is going to be out. Yeah. So this has always been an issue. Just we are dealing with it the correct way rather than hiding it. Yeah. And I think just echoing that, I want to commend you for being so honest and authentic. Because the people that were sucking it up, my mom, for instance, and I'll just use her because she's not here to yell at me for it. But there are some brokenness that carries forward when you don't have self-awareness. And maybe the stigma that we're trying to do isn't that like someone who's mentally ill is running around pulling at their hair in the middle of downtown Fort Myers. But that it is really someone who's having a human experience. And in order to develop coping skills for a healthy human being, this is part of that process. Because the people who are sucking it up are not always self-aware. And as adults, we run into many of them. And what you're gaining at a very young age is an understanding of yourself. And what makes you tick and what irritates you and what pokes you and triggers you. And I'm just really proud that you're doing that work. And my ask of everyone in the room is the stigma that we're trying to figure out isn't mental illness looks a certain way and step up and talk about it. It's that we're all going to have the same experience at some point in our life. And it's our responsibility to become self-aware enough to figure out how to cope with that. So that we don't vomit that on everyone else. Or get in the system. Or have to be baker acted or whatever the outcome. Or parent and not have next generations of healthy kids. But this generation, to your point, if we can get real about what that means, could be the game changer for what stigma truly means for mental health. Member Jack? Member Jack? Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: Sorry. Member Jack: Like, well, a councilman last year was like, yeah, I'm not the spokesperson for everyone in my age group. But I was one of the children who, like, my parents were like, oh, just suck it up. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: Like, I wouldn't say I have mental health issues, but, like, who knows? I haven't seen a professional myself. Member Jack: Member Jack: But, anyways. Like, um... Member Jack: What's that all you said? Member Jack: Like, children like me who grow up, and you don't know if they have a mental health issue. But when their parents say these things to them, they're going through something, but they don't know that it just weighs on them. Like peer pressure, addiction. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: They don't even know it's a problem for them because they're not developed yet. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: So, eventually, when they commit a crime or harm themselves, and they don't even know why they're feeling this way. Member Jack: Right. Member Jack: Like, how do you catch that, like, the first few signs, and nobody's saying, like, you need help, or someone's trying to attempt to help them. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: And they don't even know how to get help themselves. Member Jack: Well, I think the people in your squad. Member Jack: I mean, we talked about this already. Member Jack: Like, having a good circle of people around you that are going to speak up on your behalf if you're not doing it. Member Jack: But more than that, I'm going to go back to what we assume mental health looks like. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: There's a difference between getting a mental health diagnosis, which means something's persistent and, Member Jack: And ongoing, for struggling with your mental health. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: And a big portion of us live right here. Member Jack: And that's okay. Member Jack: That's all right. Member Jack: We're having a human experience, as we've noted. Member Jack: This is where that early intervention matters. Member Jack: Where your friend's speaking up. Member Jack: Where you're coming forward. Member Jack: Where talking to your family, if those are your people. Member Jack: But this right here is where you intervene for this. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: You know, not here. Member Jack: This is hard. Member Jack: Where we all come in and we're like, okay, let's figure out how we unwind the team. Member Jack: This is the piece where having the right people in your circle and being able Member Jack: to speak up and advocate for yourself or feeling comfortable enough to go into someone Member Jack: to say, I'm feeling X, Y, and Z, without feeling like it's this big diagnostic, Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: Like tour de force that you're going on. Member Jack: Right? Member Jack: Like you are a human. Member Jack: Yes. Member Jack: Welcome. Member Jack: Right? Member Jack: Everyone has their breaking point. Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: Sometimes three times a day. Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: It's okay to be a human being. Member Jack: And I think that that's what we're trying to knock the stigma out of. Member Jack: And I say it jokingly, but for real, that it's okay to be a human being. Member Jack: You know, life is hard. Member Jack: And it doesn't mean that when you speak up that you're sitting in victimhood Member Jack: And you're going to get in fetal position and give up. Member Jack: And I feel like there, like you said, it's a stigma. Member Jack: Like not everyone's perfect. Member Jack: Like I don't have any issues with my life. Member Jack: I'm perfect. Member Jack: Right. Member Jack: Those are the ones you've got to watch out for. Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: Especially with social media. Member Jack: I don't know if it's a little bit off topic. Member Jack: Like what she said earlier, "I'm smoking online. Member Jack: I look so cool. Member Jack: You guys should do it too. Member Jack: Or else you're not cool. Member Jack: I don't know. Member Jack: Right. Member Jack: I feel like it's also, it's really a stigma. Member Jack: And Megan, don't you think too, like what Officer Frazen said in the very beginning, culturally, like, you know, my mom's Asian. I've shared that her parents are from Haiti. Member Jack: So we do have that other barrier where it's like, we don't talk about that. Member Jack: My parents are immigrants and they're very much. Member Jack: Well, we don't talk about that. Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: Not here, not our problem. Member Jack: Not, not, not us. Member Jack: Not in our family. Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: And that's that generational, like break that cycle. Member Jack: And I had to learn how to do that with my own kid and I'm ashamed because I was like, oh my God, I'm turning into my mother. Member Jack: But you knew that. Member Jack: I was. Member Jack: I have kind of a follow up question, like on that same topic, because again, my, my parents are immigrants and well, my mom kind of had mental issues, my dad. Member Jack: How do, if you know as a child that they have certain issues and I'm not trying Member Jack: I love my dad so much, but like if they, how do, but them to them, it's like, oh no, like I've dealt with it all this time. Member Jack: Like how do we go up and approach them? Member Jack: Because I feel like we copy a lot of our behaviors from our parents. Member Jack: So if they're avoiding it, it's an are like, we just intrinsically. Member Jack: Okay, well, if they're not doing anything about them, then I'm just going to do the same thing. Member Jack: And it kind of worries me because even me, like there's certain patterns that I'm Member Jack: I know this is what they did. Member Jack: So that's why I'm doing it. Member Jack: But I know it's not healthy. Member Jack: How do I guess like get them to do it? Member Jack: If that makes any sort of sense, but. Member Jack: Breaking the cycle. Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: And look at how self aware you are. Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: I mean, I talked to 50 year olds that don't have the level of self awareness Member Jack: that you just said right there. Member Jack: So to me, this is where the generation is doing it differently. Member Jack: Right? Member Jack: I think we have parents. Member Jack: I'm sure a lot of our parents have issues. Member Jack: And as the adult versus child, that dynamic makes it hard to intervene or to have Member Jack: a voice in that. Member Jack: But the awareness that I'm not going to do the same thing or I'm engaging in the Member Jack: same thing, that is something that it takes people six decades of their life Member Jack: to figure out, if not longer. Member Jack: So that's my recommendation. Member Jack: I mean, we can't help the unwilling. Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: And you know, it's hard when the dynamic is age related child to adult. Member Jack: But the fact that you can acknowledge that, like, I mean, I'm you're amazing. Member Jack: Truly like I'm not joking. Member Jack: Like that's incredible self awareness that you realize you're repeating patterns Member Jack: or not repeating them for a reason. Member Jack: Yeah, no, this is so like, there's one thing like I'm getting it like my dad always Member Jack: call me selfish growing up. Member Jack: And then I would even notice like when I'm arguing with my sister, I'm like, Member Jack: Oh, you're so selfish. Member Jack: And I literally have to step back on like Adriana. Member Jack: That is not that's just me copying a pattern because of something that hurt me. Member Jack: You know what I mean? Member Jack: So I had to sit back and apologize. Member Jack: And I guess the idea is like self awareness, but yeah, it's pretty impressive. Member Jack: Yeah, so I didn't mean to get off track there. Member Jack: No, but I think you you pose, you know, you pose the day old question is, how do we do this differently? Member Jack: Like how when you know you're more aware and this is why I say we have to help our parents. Member Jack: Because it's really challenging. Member Jack: You guys are an incredible team of youth. Member Jack: I mean, I got to commend each and every one of you. Member Jack: I'm hiring. Member Jack: For your vulnerability, for your strength, for your courage. Member Jack: I mean, you are incredible. Member Jack: I agree with Dawn, like I need more adults. Member Jack: Like that are, that have the level of insight and vulnerability and compassion that you all have. Member Jack: You know, but you hit on something I think that is very unique to the youth of today. Member Jack: You and you mentioned this generationally, you know, the generations have shifted time over time. Member Jack: You know, there was a group of like latchkey kids that went home and there was nobody home. Member Jack: And they grew up and they were very independent and worried about themselves and took care of themselves and did all these things by themselves. Member Jack: And then those people became parents and then they decided that they didn't want that for their children. Member Jack: So then that shifted the dynamic to having somebody home and there was meals and there was somebody, you know. Member Jack: So all of these things, I think people generationally are trying to learn from things that they experience that they may not have liked or that they're repeating the patterns of. Member Jack: So I think that the generation that we have today is unique in the fact that you're honoring yourself, which by the way, congratulations. Member Jack: I've never seen a young person honor themselves and their feelings the way that you did today and you know, kudos to you. Member Jack: And you are aware of your, you're so insightful and aware of, you know, hey, my mom and dad are doing this and I shouldn't be doing that. Member Jack: I know that's wrong. You know, that's incredible. Member Jack: And you know, you're asking questions about how do we help? How do we, how do we ask for help? Member Jack: I mean, to your point, like this is the, this is how you, you change things. You are the change makers of this, of this time. Member Jack: And I just, I think you, you're, you're right where you need to be in terms of how do you evolve this for not only yourselves, you know, you will do things differently. Member Jack: You will say, tell me how you feel and you will listen to the answer, right? Member Jack: Right, and care. Member Jack: And you will care, you know, and it's not that your parents didn't care and it's not that they're not going to be doing. Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: And we have to teach, you know, our people new skills to handle a new environment and a new culture. And that's what I'll say. Member Jack: Yes. Thank you. Do we have anything else before moving on? Vice Chair Brown. Member Jack: I have a question because, in my experience, it's more so, my father is a mental health professional. Member Jack: We know him. Member Jack: You do. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: So it's more so I feel as though I'm not, not entitled. Like I feel as though I have the resources. I know that I have someone that I can talk to that I can rely on, that has a degree in it, which makes, it makes me feel better. Member Jack: Because I'm like, okay, if he says I'm okay, I'm okay. Like I can't tell myself that I'm like, something's wrong, something's wrong, something's wrong. And then go to him and be like, no, you're fine. Like I promise you, there's nothing wrong with you. Member Jack: But it's like this pattern of like, I don't believe it. I don't believe it. And the stubbornness in my head of like, I don't want to burden someone by asking for more help. Because I'm like, he's busy enough. But then it's also like, it's hard to find mental health support for me. And like, be able to be vulnerable. Member Jack: I don't, it's just like, it's a struggle. And then obviously the best resources that I would have are online. And that's, to me, it doesn't feel personable enough. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: Because it's like, I want to speak to a person, not someone that feels, it feels almost like AI. Because it's like just someone that I can't really interact with. It's just, it's on a screen. It's not enough. Member Jack: So it's like for someone who's too stubborn to truly ask for the help that they need, how would you kind of pull them out of that headspace and just be like, it's okay. You can ask for help. You're entitled to it. It doesn't, you don't have to have like this kind of trauma or this background. Like you can come from anything. You can still struggle. Like just because you, I had a very fortunate childhood. I'm very, I love my parents. I love my family. But I still have those struggles. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: So it's just like, how would you ask that person to come forward and be like, it's okay. You can talk about it and you don't have to feel guilty for feeling bad. Member Jack: As a fellow stubborn person. Member Jack: Current. Member Jack: As a current, currently non recovering stubborn person. Member Jack: Um, does, do you ever just think about like you're running towards an endless road by, I kind of flipped the stubbornness on its head. Member Jack: So I'm going to give you an example. I keep saying that if I do it this way, I'll get to an outcome, but I'm going to be really, really mad when I don't get to the outcome. Member Jack: I think I'm going towards. So you almost have to flip your stubbornness in a way to, and it's the committee in your head, um, to get real with yourself. Member Jack: If you don't ask us to help and eight years you look back, do you think that you're going to need the help less? Member Jack: Right. So your stubbornness at that point is going to be really irritated. I don't want to spoil the, I don't want to spoil the ending for you. Member Jack: Um, but sometimes it helps to use your own, because being stubborn, I think is a skill. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: If you use it for the right power. And that is that like, you're holding yourself accountable to something, which is great. Member Jack: But you have to flip it in a little bit and that like, you're ultimately running towards nothing. Member Jack: You're always going to want the help and need the help. You just think that you're being strong and mighty and that you won't need it down the road. Member Jack: And the fact is like, you're going to get down the road and be like, here it is again. Member Jack: So you have to counteract the stubbornness with like how irritated you'll be when it wins. Member Jack: Cause that's what's about to happen. Um, I do know your dad, obviously, so I won't speak to that piece, but it is hard when I couldn't imagine, like, Member Jack: Like the first role being dad, then therapist. Right? Like that, I would not jam on that. Um, because his first role is dad. Member Jack: So you probably have to be a little bit more vulnerable than you would be with just a regular therapist because he's going to see you as his daughter first. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. But sometimes you just got to lay it out pretty real. Right? Like I hear you saying I'm fine, but I'm not. Member Jack: Um, I've chased this down as long as I can. And here's what I need. And it seems like you would be stubborn enough to have that conversation. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. So I feel pretty confident about your, um, about what's going to happen. But I think you sometimes have to flip what your own strengths are sometimes to look at, Member Jack: Are you just challenging yourself to an inevitable outcome, which is you're always going to be running towards the same thing. Member Jack: It never changes unless you change it. Member Jack: That's my TED talk for today. Member Jack: No, I think that's very, very good. Member Jack: Very good. Member Jack: Okay. I'm going to move on to the next question. Member Jack: Chair, how many questions do we have left? Member Jack: Please we'll have two more left. Member Jack: Okay. You might watch your time. If we can get through one more question maybe, then go to public input. Member Jack: Yeah, that's perfectly fine. Member Jack: Okay. Member Jack: Okay. Member Jack: Um, let me just move. Yes. So our fifth question will be asked by member Paragonda. Member Paragonda: Thank you. My question is how common is it to find that the youth who are being arrested are those who are also suffering with mental health? Member Jack: Mr. Officer Frazen will address that to you. Member Frazen: I'm sorry. I have bad here. I heard arrested. Member Jack: How common is it to find that the youth who are being arrested are those also suffering with mental health? Member Frazen: Oh, it's very common. I would say, and this is just, of course, in my opinion, I don't have the sense of it. Member Jack: Of course, in my opinion, I don't have the statistics to back it, but I would say most of the youths that are arrested have something to do with mental health in one way or another. Member Jack: Either a lack of resources, a lack of getting assistance, or are in crisis. Member Jack: Because just because you're in mental crisis doesn't mean that you can't commit a crime. Member Jack: And unfortunately, sometimes crimes happen because of crisis. Member Jack: But that's why I always suggest people to get the treatment, get the help to, I don't want to use the word prevent a crisis, but to make it less likely to happen. Member Jack: Or if a crisis is happening, know where to reach out rather than act out. Member Jack: If that makes sense. Member Jack: Does anyone else like to add on that? Member Jack: Yeah. No, I definitely think, especially as I mentioned, I'm in teen court. Member Jack: So I'm half the time defending the kids that they were arrested for doing stealing something. Member Jack: A lot of the times that not that we use is like that this kid was struggling. Member Jack: Okay. So the reason they hit their mom was because this sort of other underlying factor or that there was something else going on. Member Jack: And I just think it's very, again, something we have to focus on now so that it doesn't get to the point where that they are ending up in teen court or worse with a felony and so on. Member Jack: Chair, real quick. Officer, can you explain? They might see NAMI by your name and not know what that is. Member Jack: Oh. Member Jack: And can you also talk a little bit about, because I was familiar with crisis intervention training many, many years ago. Member Jack: And I'm always curious if you think 40 hours is enough training or can something be done to improve the ability for officers or any law enforcement official to have the right identifiers so that someone isn't arrested? Member Jack: So NAMI is the National Alliance on Mental Illness. There's a chapter in Fort Myers that I am a part of. Member Jack: I learned of NAMI through CIT training, which the department sent me about seven years ago. Member Jack: Learned a bunch of resources. And when I went to the class, I was kind of upset about it because I was like, hey, all these resources are here. Member Jack: And I didn't know about these because I was going to families and saying, hey, I don't know. You got to go to your doctor, I guess. Member Jack: Tsunami opened my eyes to all the resources. And since then, Cape Coral has gone to every officer will become CIT certified. Member Jack: It's actually built into the curriculum of pre-deployment before an officer is out on the road themselves. Member Jack: They go through the course, which is great because at least gives them a base knowledge of what's going on. Member Jack: We do also conduct quarterly training every year. Sometimes we'll have refreshers on both responding to crisis calls and then any type of retrain or additional training when it comes to how to speak to a person in crisis. Member Jack: What things we can do to prevent a Baker Act. In my opinion, the Baker Act should be the last only when it's extremely necessary because we can do all these other things in order to get the person treatment before taking the rights away. Member Jack: That's that's the NAMI. That's what CIT is. And then what was that last part of the question? Member Jack: If it still is is 40 hours enough? Member Jack: I would say the 40 hour course. Yes, as the basis, but the refreshers and because resources change companies change. CPE. I don't know your new name. I know the old name, same acronym. Member Jack: But to keep those making sure that the officers know what resources are available at the time and what new resources are coming out. I know when CPE first started, there was only I believe like five teams and they're they were geared to 25 years old and younger. Now that's no longer the issue. So I've heard officers saying, Oh, well, it's only for kids. No, it's not. It's now for everyone. So those are the things that are important outside of that 40 hour class to keep things fresh. Member Jack: Thank you. Does anyone else have anything? Member Jack: Oh yeah. Okay. With that being said. Member Jack: Yeah, public inputs limited. Yeah. Member Jack: And if you still want to end at six, you can go back to your questions. But I think given the people that are here, whoever wants to an opportunity to speak would be great. Member Jack: Okay, perfect. So we will now move on to item nine citizens input. Member Jack: This consists of input from citizens to ask questions of the panelists or to make statements about mental health. Three minutes per individual. Member Jack: Please come to the center podium. Citizens input will be, it says 60 minutes, but not maybe not that long. Member Jack: I will now read the pledge's ability. We will be respectful of each other. Even when we disagree. Member Jack: Well, we will direct all comments and issues. We will avoid a personal attacks. Citizens input is now open. Member Jack: So if anyone would like to speak, they can more than one go up. If not, it's okay. Member Jack: See, this is where I call on people now. Member Jack: I just have one question. Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: Just really like that one. Go right there. Member Jack: So it's not like an input. It's more of a question when we talk about availability. So for those on the panel, do you guys find that it's difficult to find qualified clinicians to hire? Member Jack: Yes. Member Jack: So when you're talking about, you know, lack of resources, we also need to kind of look at when, when you talk about this being the 48th, Member Jack: in mental health funding. It's also, do you, I'm just asking if the other agencies find the struggle of finding qualified clinicians who want to provide services in our area because the funding is lacking? Member Jack: Yeah. Member Jack: Yes. Member Jack: One of the things that we're trying to tackle is the actual requirements to get licensed in the state of Florida. Member Jack: You need to be a registered intern. There's lots of rigmarole around where you can and can't work for that. Member Jack: Can you be reimbursed? And then you do this five year process to make 40 grand for the rest of your life and deal with crisis. Member Jack: Super rewarding. Look at how happy we are. Member Jack: But I'm being sarcastic in a way to say like, it's not really something that people want to go through the labor of doing and then you can't find workforce. Member Jack: Right. Member Jack: So one of the things we're trying to tackle with Central Florida and other licensing bodies at the state level is, can we loosen the requirements? Member Jack: We obviously want people to be self-aware that our therapist test, get the right amount of hours. Member Jack: But some of us, some of us are from other states and it wasn't this hard. Member Jack: Mm-hmm. Member Jack: And we need to make it a little easier and we need to pay better if we're going to have qualified people that we want dealing with the most complex issues of youth and adults in our community. Member Jack: So yeah, thank you. I just wanted to kind of bring that up because that goes back to access too. You're waiting two years for, you know, to a clinician because there's just not enough qualified individuals. Member Jack: Right. Member Jack: So thank you. Member Jack: Thank you. Member Jack: Thank you. Member Jack: Thank you. Member Jack: Before I got volunteered for this, it feels a little bit different on the other side of this. Sam Fisher, Lee County School Board member, District 1 and Cape Coral residents. Member Jack: So thank you. Thank you. Thank you to the Youth Council, Jen, Tom, Connie, for putting this together. Thank you to the panelists up there. You're amazing. Member Jack: We're very blessed in Lee County School District Director Brooks. She is absolutely fantastic and has done such great work for us. Member Jack: I've taken this opportunity just to come and to listen and it's really impressive and really, you know, heart wrenching at the same time. Member Jack: The things that our students have to go through the same as adults in society. Before I was on the school board many years ago, I was a juvenile public defender. Member Jack: So I've seen obviously the confluence of what happens obviously with mental health and youth and the law, unfortunately. So when I say this, I also have to give a disclaimer. Member Jack: I'm not speaking on behalf of the school district. Don't want to get mad at me. But, um, sorry, gotta, gotta make sure I'm good on that. But, uh, my own individual capacity. Sorry, it's the attorney in me. Member Jack: But, um, we do have to do better. Uh, I know Director Brooks was talking about that, but we do. We need to get more positions. We have to figure out a way to support that. Um, I know I've had discussions with, uh, Jenna and Tom before. I will say from a state level, um, we do have, we're very blessed with state representatives and centers that do listen. And, um, we've had mental health allocation as something on, as Director Brooks had talked about on our, um, legislative priorities for many years. And they do listen. They're very good about it. So, uh, unfortunately, it also has a Member Jack: I know it comes down to from them, uh, priority thing, you know, naming, you know, trying to fit that in with, you know, salary, security, all that stuff. And we have to make sure to continue to push that. I know I will, as well as the rest of the Lee County school district. So I do want, you know, they do listen. So, um, I do understand it from that point. And we do have to figure out, uh, different ways. I really do want to commend the youth council for taking up this topic. You, you have been amazing. I want to single out, uh, member Johnson. Um, thank you for sharing what you shared before. You have been amazing with this. You've been tenacious and you really especially got things across the finish line and getting things done in the school district. Lee County is not always easy. So you have been there, uh, every day getting that done and really want to commend you for doing that for stepping up with that. So just wanted to say thank you. And if anyone, you know, later has any questions or want anything, I'm always happy to chat, but thank you all for doing this. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Is there anyone else wishing to speak? Okay. Seeing none, citizens' input is now closed. Okay. And then I think I'm going to go back to our final question, member Johnson, that you were going to ask really quickly before everyone has to go. Before we wrap things up, um, if everybody could just give like a short answer, but my question is if you, to give one piece of advice to students or anybody in the community, um, who are struggling with their mental health right now, what would it be? We could start with Miss Odorno and what can we do? One piece of advice? Yes. Pick the best one. I would say honor yourself. Honor yourself. Just as you've done here today, continue to honor yourself. If you think there's something not right that you want to talk about, you talk and you keep hunting. I mean, 350 school professionals. That's fantastic. Go find one of them. You know, there's counselors, you know, there's counselors, CPE, there are people, um, stay true and honor yourself is the best piece of advice. Cause no one can tell you how you feel. And no one can tell you whether you're good or not. You know, we can assume from the outside how you look, but we can't tell you what's going on inside. Only you can do that. And if you're feeling a certain way, honor that and take care of, take care of your, take care of you. Um, it's a lot of, that's a lot, but it's not just one. Thank you. Ms. Donald Lodge. Yeah, I'll go with my standard line. Um, it's okay to not be okay. And I think that that's probably the big theme for today, right? Which is, we're always some of us not going to be okay. Um, when you get on a plane, they don't say put your mask on someone else first before yourself. They say, put your mask on and then help another. So to Nicole's point, like, it's okay. Take care of you. Um, it's okay. Um, it's okay to have bad times to feel a certain way. Um, and you need to take care of you. Thank you. Ms. Koff? I would say, encourage others. Be the leader for that person that is standing by themselves. Ask them questions that bring out more than I'm fine. Yeah. And they answer I'm fine. Lead with another question about what that means. Yeah, I definitely, even when you asked me, oh, what did you say? Like I, that moment was like a year ago, but I'm like, you're right. I absolutely should have elaborated on that situation. Instead of just like letting her listen, I should have asked more questions. So. You're heavy into accountability. Really respect that. Thank you. Um, Ms. Brooks, do you? One piece of advice is, is difficult because there's, but everything that everyone has said is so important. And so I'm going to go with you are enough. There is only one you walking the face of this planet. One unique you. And whenever you are feeling good, you're not so great. Um, you feel really bad about something. There's only one you and this planet needs you and this world needs you and you are enough. And that's my message. In addition to all the other ones. All important. Yes. Thank you. And then officer. Uh, I too. I like the saying it's okay not to be okay. And I didn't coin this next part. I've heard somewhere. Um, the second part is it's just not okay. Not to do anything about it. Hmm. Yeah, definitely. Well, thank you all everyone so much. Um, thank you Heather Cross, Dr. Don Belchmark, Nicole Liberto, Lori Brooks, and Cape Coral police officer Sean Frazen. We obviously could not have done this without you. So we appreciate it so much. Thank you Councilman LASCHEA for getting this together. Um, this has really been an eye opening experience for me. And again, as someone I want to work in politics one day and hearing these and talking about this, um, it makes me even more excited because I have so much more knowledge, um, that I can bring back to my community. Um, thank you, Mr. Hayden for helping us out. Thank you, Mr. Glennon. Thank you for everyone that came to this event. We really appreciate it. And anyone watching at home. Um, Um, but yeah, thank you, our council members that came and that is the end of our meeting. So item six is time and place of future meetings. Our next meeting is Friday, April 10th at 3 PM in council chambers. Do I have a motion to adjourn this meeting? Vice chair Brown. I motion to adjourn. Is there a second? Member Paragonda. I second. Vice chair Brown made the motion. Member Paragonda second it. Is there any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carried. This meeting is now adjourned. Thank you very much. Everyone. Thank you. Thank you.