El Concejo Municipal de Evans discutirá posibles enmiendas al código municipal sobre regulaciones de animales en esta sesión de trabajo. Revisarán las reglas actuales sobre cuidado animal, actividades ilegales y procedimientos de exención. El concejo también recibirá una actualización de la Organización de Planificación Metropolitana de North Front Range.
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up. Yeah, I know. I saw that, too. All right. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to our work session for Tuesday, June 16th, 2026. First item on our agenda is the North Front Range Metropolitan Planning Organization. Turn it over to staff. >> Yes, Mayor and Council. Joining us this evening is Elizabeth Rifleford from the North Front Range Metropolitan Planning Organization. Uh she is here to give the city council uh an overview uh of the MO. Uh we've got 60 minutes scheduled. Uh but she will facilitate the discussion. Uh if you have any questions, by all means join in and uh we'll go from there. I'll turn it over to Elizabeth. >> All right. >> Thank you very much for having us. I also want to introduce our transportation uh director, Becky Krasco, and our mobility director, Tanya Trillo Martinez. Uh there we're going to be tag teaming this overview for you talking about our programs. Uh we're really happy to be here in front of the entire council. So almost the entire council. So uh thank you so much for having us. Um the mayor has represented been our our representative on uh the North Front Range MO 12 how many years? >> 10 11 years. >> Yeah. I feel Yeah. A long time. >> Been a long time. >> So um >> Don Wars was still mayor. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I I just have a before I get started I just have a soft heart for the city of Evans. It was the first place I ever had a job in my and so back in 1997 when the city of Evans hired me to be a like one one of the first planners here. I so I just we were in the old building which is now the library um and then got to move over here and be a part of this. So I just have a just a soft heart for the city of Evansson. So it just has a special place for me. So it's always great to come back and visit and uh thank you for having us. U but we're just going to do a kind of a high level overview of um the North Front Range Metropolitan Planning Organization, who we are. Um you got you guys pay us dues and you might not know why. And so we're going to kind of talk about what what that is and and and your role a part of this because uh for some of it in our urbanized areas, you didn't really have a choice. And so uh it's it's not like something you can be like, "Yeah, I don't really I don't want I don't want to be in." you're you're kind of because you're a part of an urbanized area, the Gley Evans Lasell urbanized area, you're a part of our metropolitan planning region and so you you get to be with us and we get to work together. Um essentially, uh the map above represents all of the communities within our urbanized areas of our boundary. Uh the North Front Range as an NO essentially represents our our urban core. Even though we do have portions of unincorporated LER and Weld in our uh boundaries, we do represent 15 member communities of which you guys are one 13 municipalities and and two counties. Uh our population continues to grow. Um we're over 574,000 people now covering approximately 675 square miles. Uh but essentially we form through the census. The census data determines our urbanized areas. So when you have populations of greater than 50,000 people, you become a metropolitan planning organization. When your your census data takes you over 200,000, you become a transportation management area and you're f federally designated. Our Fort Collins Lovelin area is our transportation management area for our region. and Windsor and Bertha everybody some and Timnet they're starting to attached to that uh transportation management area uh which being federally designated is where the majority of our funds come from for us to be able to operate and and run and do the regional planning that we do and then it also is the reason that the federal government uh has to do our certification review to make sure we're following the federal rules. So, as I mentioned, we're our municipal government um counties, all of our communities make up our elected official. We have an elected official representative from all of our um community member communities. Essentially, we meet once a month. We meet the first Thursday of every month at six o'clock and we rotate that across uh our region. And so, the communities essentially volunteer every year to say, "Hey, we would like to host one of the meetings." uh and we come out and we have our meeting uh with all of our community representatives um and we go through our agendas with what we're tasked with having to do as a region. We have our technical advisory committee that essentially is the recommending body to the planning council. Uh the rec the uh technical advisory committee is typically a staff member in your community that meets once a month with our technical team to talk about um all of those fun specific engineering and planning topics that uh sometimes put the rest of us to sleep. And so they go through and do kind of the hard work that then can be a recommendation to our elected officials uh for the region. They always meet the third Wednesday of every month. So, uh it it is rare that we cancel meetings. It takes just because the way the cycles go with our planning um items, we always have meetings. So, it's usually pretty rare that we we have to cancel a meeting. Uh and then staff, NO staff, uh essentially does the work to support the technical teams in the planning council, uh and any other special projects that our council would identify that they would want us to implement. We're 12 people. Northfront Range is a small I consider it a small, you know, when I'm used to, you know, coming from an 1800, you know, employeebased company to 12 people. We are actually considered a midsize metropolitan planning organization. So, we're not even considered a small NO in comparison to, you may have heard the term Dr. Cog, our Denver Regional Council of Governments, Pike Pier, Pikes Peak Area Council of Governments. I should add the map showing all the other NPOs. There's five NPOs in the state and we're one of them. Uh the five NPOs are we all vary in size. Um but most consider Pikes Peak Area Council of Government and R& North Front Range to be comparable as a midsize organization. So the Fed the federal government says you have to do all the transportation planning. And so this is the staff as I mentioned before. Tanya is over our mobility team and our mobility programs. Uh Becky's over our transportation planners and our transportation planning team. And then we also have um our Van Go operations uh fleet manager who um essentially manages our Van Go program, which we'll touch on a little bit as well. So what do we do? We we are federally required to do this what's called a 3C planning process. Um, and every MO is required to do this across the nation. And essentially when we go through our certification reviews, this is the feds are making sure that we're following these these federal rules um to have this continuous planning process. For us, that means regional transportation planning. uh other NPOS um you may have heard council of governments they have other functions uh where they also may do um um area agency on aging I always feel like I say that backwards they do they do those services as well uh they may do water quality um we do transportation planning and air quality those are essentially what we're charged with as a region for having to do but then we also have mobility programs our van program. Um e every planning effort that essentially you do and we're responsible for requires public participation. You guys, you know, being a local government are very familiar with what you have to do from a public part participation perspective for um planning documents and and we're no different with that. But there's really only four core products that we are federally mandated to provide. Uh the first one being our long range transportation plan, our transportation improvement program as a tip, our public involvement participation plan, and our unified planning work program. And I'm just going to highlight um some of these and the team's going to tag team some of these with me. Um but the the first one is our regional transportation plan. And this is essentially the foundation I would say of the MO. This is this sets the framework for what we do over for sure the next kind of four years, four to five years. It's a 20-y year planning horizon. Uh but it covers our entire that boundary that map I showed you at the beginning. It it's essentially our transportation plan for our region and how we coordinate with our member communities to do that uh transportation planning and air quality planning effort. And we are getting ready. We've already done it actually. We've kicked off our 2055 plan. And so the timing for this group is really great because this would be the timing where you guys get to start experiencing a transportation planning effort right from the beginning. Uh because we're we're diving into to a new one. So you and and your staff or your your elected official representative will be getting lots of documents from us on where we're at in our in our in our process. Uh so if it's something that you're interested and want to want to be included on the mailing list, you know, let us know. Do you have do you guys have anything else you want to add as far as uh the transportation plan goes? >> No, we are in the process of collecting data and one of the things that we do and I don't know if you have a slide about this. Um when we do update our trans our RTP or regional transportation plan, we also update our travel demand model and our land use allocation model. So, we go to all of our member communities to get the land use and the developments that everyone is looking at doing over the next 20 years, put that into our land use model, and then those inputs as well as any future roadway projects and traffic um numbers go into our travel demand model to look at what is when does the system break and what does it look like if we make different changes to the roadway network. Um, and so that's something that we're required to do in our longrange plans. We're also in the middle of doing all three of those things. >> And our hope with this land use model would be that our communities would be able to run their own scenarios. So we're trying to set up to where there would be an opportunity. Um right now for most communities to be able to run their own kind of traffic scenarios, you have to hire a consultant to get our model to do that and it costs money. uh we have we're going to try and set up in this uh goround a scenario to where you could go in and you can pull the data yourself and run your own scenarios like in my community when would this you know or this regionally significant corridor when when would this be impacted in my community? Um would this development if I had this much traffic affect this regionally significant corridor where the goal would be that you guys could run your own scenarios and not necessarily have to rely on hiring a consultant necessarily to to do that. So, um, those are the things our technical team is going to we're going to be kind of saying, hey, let us know like if this is beneficial or not. Because essentially your dues that you guys participate on when you give us dues, even though we're federally required to do this, that's a that's a tool that's in the toolbox that you guys have access to that that you get. And unless you're going through and doing a transportation plan update and your consultant's reaching out to get that that model, you know, it's probably not than you're using on a on a everyday basis. >> Can I ask a question in regards to that? So, the front range is very unique just because it has a lot of rural areas, you know, um offsid uh out of city limit areas and some places are not really urban. They're considered rural because it's like it's a it's a combination between urban and rural, right? Or both. And so what happens is when you have specific areas are that run similar to a metro district, but they're out of city limits for example, it's hard because they would they don't have transportation for example and the example that I'm bringing up is Hill and Park. >> Sure. And so in order for them for your system that you're speaking of for them to go and say let me pull data and see it's going to be difficult for them because first and foremost they don't even know that they have to um uh formally document and then request or comment on demand in the area. So they they need to do that in in order for any trans transportation entity to see that there's a demand in writership. And if they don't know, they don't know to do that. Although there is clearly a demand in writership in that vicinity just because it's siloed away from everything, how do you how would and I know you stated that there's gaps and you're trying to identify that and that's kind of the reason why you're doing what you're doing. But in that scenario, how would you go about in reaching out to this specific community to ensure that um they're included in the regional transportation plan and that and that their service appropriately because I it's been a long time that they've been there and they have no writership. So what what is what are you doing to reach out to these communities? >> Yeah. I know that's a great question and a lot of times it isn't just what we do as an NO where we're we're reaching out um directly necessarily. We're also relying on our member communities to participate and help with the outreach. So Weld County that's in a well that's an unincorporated community in Weld County. We're relying on Weld County also to assist with getting the word out on you know how this is this is the effort we're going through. This is where we're going to be. we when we do public meetings and have outreach around different that's why we try to move them around different locations. The other thing that we we do in the summers is our our outreach program. So we will come and set up booths like at at Evans, you know, your Evans Yeah. your your Evans days and >> um a lot of times members of those community, you know, in those out growth management areas will come and and participate in in some of those communities events. And so we're trying to piggy back where we kind of already know people are um on specific like senior events and stuff. Tanya Tanya works directly with like the human services program as part of our coordinated planning efforts and we'll um you know when they do like senior events and things like that we try and have booths and tables there to inform them. I know I know that that was a ch transportation for Hill and Park has been a challenge for I mean I I've been around 29 years in government and I it you know that was one of the things when I was at Weld County I um we tried to we got a grant to do on demand transit services because I know that that was always an issue with the fixed route service with get coming through here and how you know how does Wel if Weld County isn't participating in helping pay for the the fixed route service through get you know is it fair that Evans has to pay for the fixed route service to get to that community. And so we really did try to set up an on demand transit service so that they can call. They can do that now. They can call and and get rides. Um and you should be able to access the website and or what I'm going to have you do is I'm going to leave Tanya's email out here. Our ride noco call center is the perfect resource and I'll let her talk about it. But we'll we'll leave that information with you so that so that you guys have that >> because And the reason I bring it up, although not Evans, is because I do get um emailed quite often because they don't know that they're not in Evans. And so I'm having to kind of reroute them to um Commissioner Maxi. Um but I also want to provide them information. So I don't leave them kind of hanging in the sense like, oh, I'm just kind of pinging you off, but I also want to provide because I did, you know, give them an extensive email, but that would be fantastic. And also they just opened up a senior center there just recently. So it' be a great place to pop up there. But yeah, I look forward to the information. >> All right. So our unified planning work program is essentially the MO staff's responsibilities over two years. It it tells the planning council where what our workload is um what our budget is and and what we're going to be working on and how staff is going to divide and conquer that workload. Uh this is also required by uh the federal government that we have to produce and show uh and it's uh essentially supposed to align with the budget of our organization. So we we update that every two years. Uh our transportation improvement program is the projects essentially our communities receive uh federal grants for. So this is an example of just um showing some of the federal dollars that go through our region. We are required as an agency to track the federal dollars that go through the region. Um, and so you'll hear that, you'll hear the tip. When we say transportation improvement program, we're saying tip. That's what we're referring to. So, for example, the city of Evans has your phase three widening uh project from uh for 37th Street from two lanes to four lanes um at the intersection and the intersection improvements at 65th Avenue. fiscal year 26 funding of $4.3 million. When you look at these tables, essentially um it's rep it's reflecting the federal funds that you've received through the North Front Range um as well as the local match dollars that you're providing for the the project cost. And so STBG is the federal funds. That's our service transportation block grant funding that is federal. Uh so when we went through and did a call for projects, the city of Evans applied and you applied and uh essentially were successful in receiving more than 1.5 million for this this improvement. STPG is the most flexible federal dollars that our organization essentially um when we go through our call for projects gives our communities access to. So a lot of times those are your capacity projects that you see the communities come in and apply for. Um just thought it would be be good as a reminder to say your fiscal year 26 that's the timeline. So essentially that became a became available July 1. And so um having a contract once you're awarded through us then you you contract directly with uh C dot and they get it all set up and then your your project um once they give you the notice to proceed is is off and running. And I will say these funds, just to give you a sense of the timeline that we do these calls for projects on, these funds were awarded in 2022. So it's it's been it takes a while to to get to the point where you can contract and spend these funds. >> And and for our smaller communities, it's also harder to um save the local match dollars, right? So, so we do try and have a set aside for our smaller communities uh so that it's easier for you, you know, them to access the funds. Um, but at the same time, that doesn't mean that it's easier for you to save the local match dollars to access the funds. And so we're always looking for ideas from our our policy um our elected officials, our our policy committee to really help, you know, guide on what do we think is the the best way to help our small community still get access to these funds to get projects completed. And you know, federal projects are they're time consuming. They're a lot of work. Uh unless you're going in for a million bucks, sometimes they're not even worth it. The brain damage of it uh having having been on the other side having to contract federal projects and and track them. Um we understand the amount of work involved and so it's one of those where we try and help educate our smaller communities with C dot on understanding you know yeah it sounds great you're getting 1.5 million but now you've got a you know three boxes of forms to fill out because you gota you got to justify that 1.5 million from from the federal government. Um and so um we have been receiving so many of these amendments and updates for our tip. We actually've moved to where our elected officials approve them monthly. We used to do it quarterly, but we actually have enough changes now that we're doing it monthly. So that's an example of something that our elected official representative has to review uh for every meeting that we have. I I also find it I I wish there was also a way that the smaller communities such as Evans and Lel and of course Eaton all of us smaller communities could find and get a bigger bite of that apple of that money. That's that's the one disheartening thing about a lot of these. There's only there's only so much money and most of that money is goes to of course like you know you know Gley or Fort Collins or Lovelin and then the rest of the money gets about that for the smaller communities and you are correct it's sometimes hard to get the match for it but thankfully there are ways that we we are able to work together to say okay instead of a 10% match we can do a five or you can even apply to get a waiver for the match but I know usually a lot of the times it comes with you have to put up at least some type of money to get the match for >> a small part of that money. >> Yeah. On some of the state funding, we can ask for match relief, but on the federal like the STBG, that's an 8020. So, you know, that's where you go back to what, you know, what can we do for our smaller communities? How can we do set aides? What what can we do as an organization to help support that? the last call for projects, I think we set aside 25% of the funding for small communities and there wasn't enough local match funds that they could even maximize that 25%. So when when Becky's sitting here saying, "Hey, we're going to do another call for projects," this is your time to say, "Okay, if you guys think you're going to want to go after more funding and you want to maximize that 25%, this is where you kind of start saving now so that you have the the resources available to maximize those those calls." And and to council member Johnson to your point, I know you like to talk a lot about grants and we always try to find grants, especially in this and sometimes there are a lot more that we kind of go after. It's just the problem is because that matches cost prohibitive. It's like we just can't do it. So >> yeah, >> we try to get every little dollar that we can. >> Well, and I think the state has recognized the need to have um availability to match grants as well, right? and and I know with um the IIGJA which is our current surface transportation bill that we're we're operating under the infrastructure and investments jobs act that's our current funding source that we have for transportation um you know DOA offered where to maximize going after federal grants that if you applied for Dola or you were successful in getting a federal grant they would help offset some of these I don't know if communities were aware of that program or if they still have it or even if that you know the state can sometimes match federal dollars. So it's it's one of those um if there's other opportunities out there that we're aware of um you know we'll we'll try and and make everybody aware of it and maximize all the funding that you can get because we want everybody to be as successful as they can with their projects. Th this project I threw up here isn't isn't an Evans project. Um but it's just an example of another one that then is in the region for COT region 4. Uh this is the one along US 85 where the Union Pacific Railroad they were um doing um they were cleaning up the cross enclosures along US 85 as an example. C dot was um mostly I wanted to show you where you see the TCC for under federal programming and the RPP. you hear we we are the acronym. >> Yes, >> there isn't an acronym. So, if there's an acronym that we're using that you're not sure about, you should just ask because we can say a whole sentence in acronyms and and I mean we every council meeting have four pages, three pages. >> It's it's at least that. Yes. >> Four or five of acronyms for every meeting just so because it and it seems like, you know, every time we have a new transportation bill, they got a new acronym we got to learn. So when you hear when you see like TCC in a in a TIP um layout, that's TRA Transportation Commission contingency funds, that's not something we deal with on a daily basis typically, but we still have to recognize it and process it through our region. RPP is our regional programming priority program funds, and those are um CO region 4's most flexible funding that they have for our entire region. And so a lot of times if when you hear the conversations about RPP, that's C. Region 4 funding and they're trying to figure out like say for example, you guys have a need on US85 with a signal timing or something. They they have their their own funding sources that they can come in and use to try and help you know complete a project or get something done, but we still have to track it as an organization. >> So really quickly before we move to this slide, um so why was there no local funding required on this grant? Well, so RPP and transportation contingency, this was a C dot region project. So this um the RPP funding, the state already provides the local match for the entire state. So then that the region gets their funding directly. >> Thank you. >> And transportation contingency is the same as your contingency pots that you guys put together. So, we're also required to do a public involvement plan, and we're going through that process right now. Uh, it is actually out for public comment. It closes June 21st. What day are we on? Wait, it's not the 21st. Okay. The 16th. You still have time. >> Still got time. >> Um, this is a plan again we update every four years and and we're in that process. and and you know, you start um looking at what are the different ways that we can reach to your point, how are we reaching out to um our our residents in our region uh to make them aware of what's going on and how they interact because you know when we do these surveys on do you know what the North Front Range MO is? No. We get we get better better um responses on Ryokco and Van Go uh those two programs that we we operate out of the organization. Um but most people don't you know transportation planning regions you know organizations that's not really high on their priority. I would say as long as they can get they know that they can drive on a road and get there in a in a reliable time frame. Having to understand that we're modeling that travel time index for them and and making sure that it's meeting the federal requirements for that it is not really a a concern, right? They just want to know that they can get from point A to point B or as I like to say, we're all traffic engineers because we drive. >> But we we do multiple plans. This is just a um a slide just showing all the different plans that we do and that are routinely have to be updated every four years um except the UPWP which we do every two years, the tip every three years. So we're always in some planning effort um through throughout at any given time. And I'm gonna I'm going to turn over to Becky to talk about air quality because we also get to be uh the regional air quality >> which a fun topic and one we we have been using more than we've been talking more I think about air quality lately than we have transportation. So >> yes um so we fall under the clean air act um definition which mean the whole country does but we are um required to meet the knack and the national ambient air quality standards uh for ozone that's what we are in nonattainment for um it requires us to um meet our these uh various requirements and standards and to ensure that any projects that we have in our plans do not adversely contribute or make air quality worse. Let's see it's not working. Sorry. Here we go. Um so we are within a non the northern sub area of the 8 hour Denver metro northfront range ozone nonattainment area. So the boundary is the thick line and we actually have two different standards that we're under which I'll get to in a moment. We cover the blue area. So we do the modeling um even though it's with outside of our NPL boundary, we take care of the modeling uh and the conformity determinations for this northern sub area. So that's um the upper front range. So there are 10 transportation planning regions. So rural planning regions in the state in addition to the five NPOs. And so the upper front range is the one that is around us, surrounds us on three sides. So that is the rural portions of Lmer and Weld and then all of Morgan County, but Morgan County is not part of the non-attainment area. Um, and so we handle the blue area, Dr. Cog handles the southern sub area, so all of the gray portion. Um, and we do the modeling. Anything that would happen with a capacity project or air quality significant project, which for us is anything that's over two lane miles, um we do have to do conformity and run that on there. The two different standards that we're under, you see under the second um bullet there, uh we have two different standards. So one is the serious standard um from 2008 and that is the smaller boundary and then the 2015 standard is severe um and that is all of Weld County stops at the state line because the air stops at the state line. Um so we have these two different standards that we have to model. The more recent run we're in severe because it is a lower amount. So that's 70 parts per billion. Um the older standard is 75 and so that was one we attain more uh frequently than the other. >> So that r that rural part up up here where my pointer is that's the more severe standard that uh Weld County has to come into compliance with from an air permitting um you know approval process. Um and that's the 70 parts per billion. Um and then the other one is the 75 parts. So, as far as I know, we're the only MO that I'm aware of that has to model for two different standards. Most agencies just have to do air quality modeling for one standard. Uh, and so that creates a lot more work for staff to now have to model two different geographic boundaries at two different standards. >> Lucky us. >> Um, speaking of modeling, so I can talk about this. So, this is our modeling area that we uh take care of. So the blue the dark blue outline uh is where we uh model the kind of green looking at least on this screen um that's the upper front range TPR that I was talking about where the yellow and then um we the two different standards are one is the hash and one is the full um and so we do the modeling for all of that um and the state does give us money for the upper front range portion um because if they give it to us they don't have to do it so we do it and it it just makes sense for us to do it all together um with the upper front range. So >> most the most the rural transportation planning regions don't have the abil you know the staff or the the um equipment to even do the modeling. So, Upper Front Range has always been unique that it's been in the non-attainment um boundary uh in in comparison to most rural areas are not in a um a non-attainment area. >> And then the not like we get we've been I know Wel County came into the non attainment area, you know, slightly recent. Um, but for example, I know the Laramur County Air Monitor there is it's one of the ones that is the highest and I think there's three to four that are in the high range that brings the overall average under the non-attain number. So it goes over the non-attainment number of 70 parts per billion, right? And so the thing is the hard part is when you're trying to you're modeling and you're doing all sorts of things and trying to control strategies. Typically, people don't understand it's more meteorology that's occurring and there's nothing you can do because of the meteorology component and the way geographically we how it's situated. And so what you can do is control strategies to bring down the areas that are still in attainment in retrospect. You know, I'm just in in if we're siloing an area, you know what I mean? Um and then in hopes to bring down that overall average But still we look at those specific air monitors and they have to be below and it still will bring us over >> well and it's us and so even if we were to pass and all of our air monitors in this in the northern sub area because we're part of the nine county if the southern portion Denver they don't meet it then we're still in >> non and like I said there's like four that are kind of over um one being in Lmer but then if you look at the meteorology people like well people should, you know, maybe stop doing this. It's like, have you seen where it's at? There's nobody. There's no population. >> Well, yeah. >> We always have. So, we So, we're we're actually going to have an ozone um exchange conference uh to have more conversations about about what we can control and what we can't because that background ozone and that ground level ozone that you're talking about um to your point, you know, whether it's international transport, it's coming from other countries or it's um >> wildfires, we even have our own biogenic naturally forming, naturally occurring um our our meteorology, our topography. The inner mountain west experiences a lot of different um scenarios than the rest of the nation. And we have a one-size the Clean Air Act uh which hasn't really been updated since 1990 is for the entire nation. And so what we're doing is we're we've invited our other inner mountain west NPOS's um Utah, Idaho, Nevada, uh Arizona, New Mexico to all come and participate at this conference that we're going to host at the ranch here in Loveland um in October. And so we're, you know, we we want as much um participation as we can from the the public as well because there's a lot of um we This is funny because we actually applied for an air quality enterprise grant to get the to be able to host this. Um, we were successful. We're the first agency that isn't a research a university or some kind of research agency that applied for this funding and that were successful in getting it. And so we're going to use those funds to host a conference to try and really reduce the cost. This won't be like a typical hey everybody's just going to show up and listen to um people talk about air. This this is going to try and be an interactive because This these are very technical concepts and so even on day one we really just want to kind of have level the playing field of the basics of what we're trying to talk about from an air quality perspective so that people um you know understand as we go into day two when we talk about the research that's happening in Arizona is that the same as the research that's happening in Utah is that the same as the research we're doing in Colorado. uh the air quality enterprise has existed for three years and has has issued a lot of grant funds to a lot of agencies in our state. What is all that data that they've been doing all this research on? How are we using it to improve our ozone? What are we doing about it? And so, and what gaps what what gaps still exist that we need to try and figure out so that we can help inform them so that they can now maybe make better decisions about where they're applying their resources for future research grants so that we can try and hand in some of these topics like background ozone. How are these people meeting these emission standards? Because the reality is is ozone is a is a pollutant criteria that that affects health and we have this standard that we have to meet regardless of um you know our topography or our meteorology. And as a result, what it's turned into is a timing issue with the essentially the Clean Air Act has become a timing issue. And every time you don't comply, it makes you go into it ratches you into a more extreme level that makes it even harder to comply when you couldn't even comply with the the other one. >> And so it it's one of those are are are we using the right control strategies? Because what we're seeing in some of our other stuff is if you're if you're um um nitrogen oxide heavy and you add more to it, you're actually having the worse effect than maybe if you um came up and did something different, had a different control strategy. So, as a state, we've been applying control strategy similar to our nation is a one-sizefits-all rather than, hey, maybe we need in northern Colorado, uh, that Fort Collins tower that you're talking about, the majority of its background ozone that they can affect any change on. So what could we be doing in in that area to would it be the same thing that we would do on the Weld County side where there's a more volatile organic compounds VOCC's you know the the things that strategies we would do for them may not be the same strategies for for Knox and so are we being smart about where we're applying some of those strategies and so we want to have that conversation with all of our states to see if we can come up with better solutions or options for >> and also innovation with modeling because I think it's dated And that I'm with you on that one. You need to come definitely because that that the data that they're making us use is so outdated that it doesn't even make any sense for what we have to comply with. And that is absolutely one of the problems that we have. Very old data. I'm going to and I'm going to go back because this is another favorite topic real quick that we have to do as a region. >> Yeah. So, the GHC transportation planning standard uh is something that came into effect and into our lives at the MO level um back in 2021 um when the transportation commission uh approved the policy directive 1610 um due to a a Senate bill um from the same uh year in 2021. Uh so we must us uh NPOS's and C dot have to demonstrate reductions in GHG emissions compared to our baseline plan and the baseline plan is whatever plan was your adopted plan be it you the ano or c dot uh in 2021 and so for us we were lucky uh that our plan had been adopted in September of 2019. So when we had to readopt our plan in 2022, uh we were able to take credit for all of the things that had happened in our region that our communities had been doing that we had implemented the calls for projects we had done um three years worth of those um and we were able to take credit for those and able to meet these reductions. Uh for Dr. Cog for instance, they had just adopted their plan in 2021 and so they only had like nine months worth of of things they could take credit for. Um Every time we adopt a new plan, so a new RTP or a new tip, well, a new RTP, we have to do a whole new GHG transportation analysis. So, we did another one in 2023. Uh, we'll do another one next year for our plan that has to be adopted in 27. Anytime we have to do a update that requires conformity, um, we also have to do one. Uh so tomorrow actually I will be going to the transportation commission to present our most recent uh GHC transportation plan that has been two years in the making uh for four lane miles but that's a different story um uh to them to get them to uh review it and approve it and then we can move forward with our amendment and our new tip. So >> so the difference with this is it's 100% a modeling exercise right? So it's not a criteria pollutant that we actually collect data from monitors and then model that data uh to to generate our statewide improvement plan. This is 100% a modeling exercise that basically our um air pollution control division at CDPHE and C do DOT approve as part of our our project. So um it's an ongoing thing that we're always going to have to do. All right. And you'll click for me. Okay. Under um our mobility department, we have several programs. Our largest program is Ride No, and that is a one call, one-click center where individuals who are looking for transportation can call and speak to one of our mobility specialists who will help them find the best transportation for their needs depending on where the rid's originating from and where they need to go. We work with um our public transportation. We also work with volunteer transportation services and paid transportation services. So, we're able to offer a lot of options. And because Welder County is so spread out and sometimes people need to go from Evans to an appointment in Loveland or, you know, somewhere else, it's really hard to navigate the system. So, having this option available to individuals is super helpful. instead of making 10 calls, they could make one and we can make that direct referral for them to get the transportation um started. One great addition that's coming to Ride Nooco is our closed loop referral system because um prior to us uh being able to implement this well I should say currently right now um individuals call we're able to make that referral but we never know if they actually get the ride >> or you know if everything works out unless they call us back. So now we'll have a closed loop referral system. So we'll be able to track from the time the referral comes in all the way through the ride being completed. And our hopes with this is to work with more community agencies, uh, medical providers, hospitals, and really be able to expand our services that we have to offer and also take some of the the work off of case managers and even the individuals themselves because a lot of individuals, if they're feeling sick or, you know, they're having issues, they're not ready to even call to make that call. So, I think this will be really helpful for um case managers and other individuals to be able to help with that. We also have our school pool program and that is to mitigate traffic at schools, also make it more safe. So, if a school is interested in joining our school pool program, we're able to set them up in a way that parents could opt in or opt out. And what it does is it matches parents by or students by addresses and they're able to sign up for either um an oldfashioned school pool or a walking pool if there's a parent that wants to take a group of kids to walk to school or even ride their bikes. So it really um you know helps with with a lot of those issues that that students are seeing for transportation to get to school. And this came out of the Denver metro area where um there was no bus service. So, it's been extremely um successful and we're working on bringing it to the North Front Range. We also have our My Way to Go uh trip planner which is uh an app that or not even an app, it's um a feature on our website where individuals could plan their trips with all modes of transportation. if they want to take a bus or they want to ride a bike, they want to walk, take their car, it'll really give them their options of time planning and trip planning to see what their best option would be. And then we've talked a lot about plans. Our plan is the coordinated plan. So, we work with human service um agencies uh and transportation providers to really look on the horizon in the next five or 10 years to see what the needs and gaps are for mobility in the area. And uh we're really looking at underserved communities, rural communities, aging communities, and um individuals with disabilities. So, learning a lot about the gaps that are within the communities that we serve. >> Do you still have your Yes. >> Are we able to can you send that um like flyer to us so we can have >> Yes. Thank you. >> I'll drop off a stack here too so you can put in your >> Oh, awesome. >> Library or whatever. So, uh, can I ask one question about school pool school? Um, I kind of see don't see we have bus services though. I mean, you say it came out of the Denver metro and they didn't have bus services and that makes sense, but if we have bus services here, why aren't kids just riding the bus? Um because you're I guess I guess my question is if you're let's take one classroom 20 32 kids now probably 32 kids in the classroom 32 parents driving that's a problem that creates a traffic problem at the schoolhouse. So yeah if you get them to combine that's better but what's even better is if those 32 kids ride one bus. So, I don't know where we're getting a gain either environmentally or traffic-wise by doing this. >> Some individuals, depending on the school district, live right outside of the boundaries for the bus, but yet it's too far for them to walk to school or take their bike to school, especially on super cold days. So, it definitely helps those students and it also helps some of the schools that are charter schools in the areas that don't have buss. >> Okay. Thank you. And also too, so also too with district six being an open enrollment too. So if you want to say in your >> your your child's supposed to go to Prairie Heights Middle School for middle school and you ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch choose to enroll them at Winrad obviously then there's no transportation just like for my son for example he went to middle school in Winterrad and then he went to ECA for for high school. So there is no transportation because we're outside of where they're supposed to live >> home school. >> Yeah. >> So yeah, like my kids I have I have to take them and pick them up every single day. >> Yeah. >> Because we did the open enrollment and they they don't go to their home school >> and there's a lot of children like that. >> And we have mobility committees that help inform us and help us also work on the goals of our coordinated plan. So, we have a Weld County Mobility Committee, a Lur County Mobility Committee, and also a combined Northern Colorado Mobility Committee, which is individuals from Weld County and Lur County. And that's comprised of human service agencies, transportation agencies, and any community members that have an interest in working with the population that we work with. Have you considered um doing like the COC, which is the um continuum of care for like northern Colorado? That's when you have like the it's they tend to help the unhoused population through like um finding housing. And I can tell you um that would be a fantastic um area just because again I I do social work and so like you said, you know, I I loved what you said that you help take away some work from case managers because that you speak to my heart when you say that because I'm like yes and because we're having tried most most of our um clients don't have transportation. So, we're trying to find um al alternate um modes of transportation for them and having all that information is fantastic, but I think it would be just advantageous for them to know and be a part of the conversation discussion just because they work with a unique um population of people. >> Absolutely. We would be very interested in working with them. Um we just did our coordinated plan for 2025 and um you know it is the public transit human services transportation plan like I spoke about. It coordinates prioritizes um our mobility projects and programs and initiatives for the future years up to 5 to 10 years. And currently um we're working on several goals. One of those being the closed loop referral system as well as updating our platform or not even updating but implementing new features to really um make it more available to individuals. We just updated our website and one of the tools that we put on our website is a self-referral port. So individuals could um they don't want to make a phone call or case manager don't want to make a phone call they could do a self-referral. I think it's one of the last slides. That's what our new website looks like. But um we just launched it not even a month ago and we're already getting referrals which is great. So super excited about that. That's okay. And then this just um speaks to our mission and our vision. Our mission is to ensure mobility for all by eliminating barriers and creating inclusive transportation solutions that empower individuals to move freely and confidently. And our vision is independence through mobility, ensuring that every individual regardless of age or ability can move freely, thrive, and connect with their community. So although we work a lot with the aging population and the disabled population, really mobility is a problem for everyone, whether it's getting kiddos to school or, you know, um getting individuals to employment or to human service appointments because they're all social determinants of health and it starts with transportation, mobility. I >> that's okay. Go ahead. >> Um I came to this meeting with some uh serious questions about the transparency of your organization >> as I had been told that u the general public was not allowed to attend meetings. >> So uh you're kind of giving me some conflicting information here. Are they allowed to attend your regular meeting on Thursdays or >> Yes. found. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's >> we had a very good turnout of the public when we were at the city of or Gley was hosting at the family funplex last month. Is that last month? >> Yes. >> Or I guess we were in Bered last month. >> Oh, >> two months ago. Yeah. Yeah. So, every every meeting that we have as a public meeting >> including our technical uh teams too, our technical advisory committee teams, our mo our mobility committee meetings, they're all open to the public >> and they're hybrid. So if you can't make it in person, you can join online. >> And this information is posted on your website. >> Yeah. >> Yep. And we post the recordings of all of our meetings on YouTube as well that are linked on our website. So yeah. >> So if you miss a meeting, you can go back and watch it. >> And if there's people who have, you know, um specific needs to get, you know, again, like that part of the problem is do they have access to transportation services to get to the meeting? sometimes if if they don't have services. Uh we've even had elected officials drive people to the meetings, you know, if they live in the same community. So, it it's one of those of one, you know, an awareness kind of thing. If if there's some way we can help connect people, we just need to know what the issues are to try and help connect them. >> Um Van Go, I I'll just go through this quickly, is our van pool program. So, you know, a lot of our communities are bedroom communities with Uh, and they commute the the people who live in the community commute to long distances to other places, whether it be Denver, Longmont, um, Fort Collins, where wherever you consider a a long commute. Uh, and so we offer the ability to share a ride with other people who are commuting to similar locations or even same businesses. And uh with the price of gas as it continues to increase um typically with that's when we see a lot a lot more people you know join the program uh you can you can go in and out of the program. You don't have to necessarily uh say you know it's not like the mafia once you're in you're in for life. You can you can you can even be a part-time rider. You don't even have to be a full-time. So we we have a flexible program that tries to meet the need. The only way you're not going to get a van and these are very nice vans. Um, let me just I don't I don't know if I have other pictures, but um these are we use Toyota Siennas. They're brand new. Uh they're in, you know, we take care of the gas. We provide the gas. Uh essentially, you're paying a monthly fee and um and and then sharing the ride with people. You get to if you're the coordinator, you get to park the vehicle at your home. Um And so I it's one of those uh we we're just creating an app right now so that people can report their miles because we have to report them to the national transit database. Uh and so we've just we're getting ready to launch an app so that they can actually just track the miles the mileage on their phones rather than having right now with paper logs and having to submit that to us monthly. Uh, so we're we're excited about um this is this program has been very um it's been one of the the MO's best programs, service programs that we've provided for a lot of years. Um COVID, it did take a pretty good hit during COVID and we're just now starting to see it kind of go go back. But now a lot of people work uh teleawwork. They don't they don't commute every day. So it's a very different environment that we're trying to to build back up. So if again if this is another program that you think you have interests in your community, uh happy to share um I can have Shane also do um kind of a a hybrid meeting to talk about the program and um introduce people who are interested or if you have people that you know that might um it might be a good fit, we they can contact us and then we can we can let them know and and let them know how to get it set up. So it's something that um Again, we it's just been really successful. And if you know, the more the higher gas prices are, the better, you know, return on your investment you get by doing this kind of service, especially since you're not putting your own wear and tear on your own car. We maintain the we maintain the fleet. We do it. We have 22 vans right now in our fleet, uh, and backup vans. Um, and, uh, essentially we we maintain them all. So, if there's an issue, we'll swap out one of our um our backup vans for for you to use while we're getting another one serviced. So, there shouldn't be any delay or interruption to your your commute to work. >> Have you considered I didn't see JBS on there. Have you considered And the reason I bring them up because they have different like times that people come in. They have a very early one where the bus doesn't run and typically um residents from our area use bikes to in that direction and so and some and a lot carpool. So that that does happen as well. But I think as you mentioned with the um gas prices going up something like that would be amazing. But if you went to the employer itself and said hey this is available to you and who you know who lives in X vicinity in Evans meet us here you know and then I know right now there's a plan for transportation get I think it's being changed to Gallup now and so maybe there could be um an area where they can leave their bikes you know and then everyone can carpull from that point or what have you the point is um I think that would be a great place to start just because of that. Um I think they call them turns or something. I'm not sure or shifts. But >> I I think the reason JBS hasn't really I would say participated as an employer. So the people that you see on here, they actually pay their employees fairs. They cover them. So So some of the partners and some of the businesses will actually because they want they want to know that you're going to get there and you're going to be there on time. And so they will pay that. We also pay the toll like if you've got you know if you're using the manage lanes we will pay the tolls. So uh the reason I would say you haven't seen JBS maybe is because the distance right so for it to be really effective for a lot of people usually you have to travel more than five miles which >> yeah five yeah the radius definely >> um but there are but to your point it might it may be a moot point if they're paying the fair their monthly fairs for the employees as a benefit to to the employees and that's what some of these um these businesses do they send us the checks for their their fairs? And so, uh, kind of wrapping up, you guys essentially pay local match dollars to the organization annually. The local match dollars are, uh, I this this graph here isn't up to date, but it at least gives you an idea of what all the community all of our member communities have to pay a local match. And what those local match dollars go to is matching the federal dollars that we receive from from our organization to operate and do the federal requirements for the regional planning that we're responsible for doing. So um in addition to the more grants that we're successful to to receive then we come back and say hey these these are the grants that uh we can match you know do you guys do you do you have a special project that you want to do to match more or not? Typically the STPG that you see on the list, the 5310 um transit funds, um the CPG is our um coordinated planning grant, consolidated planning grant. I always I always mix it up when my CDBGs stuff. So consolidated planning grant um those are those are the ones we typically receive on a routine basis. So they're outside of those federal dollars. uh there haven't um you know unless there's a special um with our multimodal transportation options mitigation funds our MMO unless there's special funding where the the council says hey we want to do this project off the top um which they did for our transportation management organization our TMO which is along US 34 that's a again another um organization level that reaches out to our our businesses to try and do car pooling and is another resource that we can try and connect to people to reduce uh congestion. Um this typically reflects what what you guys pay. Your local match dollars have been reduced over the last couple years because S DOT has offered toll credits as the local match to the federal grant. Um so this is more of a warning of they're going back up next year uh to normal funding levels. Um, and so we'll we'll send out once we get those updated based on the we haven't received what our grant funds are going to be for 2027 yet. So I can't tell you exactly how much that is, but um you know in years past you guys. So last year I think we were estimating 11,500 for Evans. So it's it's going to be somewhere around that range. Um but but we don't have the specific amount yet. So those essentially are the funds that are leveraged to do the the required planning that we have to do. Um the new transportation bill that's been released is um helping reduce the local match requirement to those CPG funds from to 10% rather than 20 or the 17.21% you see there. But we haven't been able to determine if the state gets that or it's going to get passed through to us. So, we're still trying to work through some of the the things the federal government is is saying that they're they're going to do for us. And then how that works is you guys then have access to the call for projects of additional funding, you know, grants that are available um in addition to um maybe access of what you you would otherwise have. But again, uh this can vary from our transportation alternatives, which are like your bike ped projects, um to your road projects, uh your your traffic lights and doing signal timings or putting in a new traffic signal. You have access to the the funding that would be available for all those types of capital improvements. And just for fun, and when I send this, this is a list of all of the federal dollars that are actually available to all of our communities, whether it be through the Federal Highway Administration. I just highlighted some of the ones that come through us. Uh these some of these will change because of the new surface transportation reauthorization bill that's being called Build America 250 Act. Um, so like for example, the carbon reduction program, that that one's going away. That's getting rolled into our congestion mitigation and air quality funds, which are very specific to air quality improvements. Uh, we got our FTA funding. We always go after 5310 and 5311 for our organization. That's not going to change. Um, and then you have state enterprises. I don't know how familiar you guys are as an, you know, as a city with some of the enterprises. You can access and and apply for grants directly to the enterprises as well. Um, not all of them, but for example, the um clean the clean transit enterprise. That's an enterprise that you guys would be able to apply for funding directly on if there was something with, you know, on demand transit services, things like that. you you guys can apply for funding through that directly. Um, and every every one of them has different sources, but the NATME, the non non-attainment area air pollution mitigation enterprise, NATM is another one you could apply towards like say you wanted to put in a roundabout in an intersection that would qualify and you could apply for for funding there. And I, you know, depending on their funding availability there, there could be more funding available. You could get more funding there. And it's a state it's state monies. It's not federal monies. So even though C do DOT somehow doesn't sometimes doesn't know how to separate the state dollars from the federal so they treat them all like they're federal because once you put a dollar into any project that's federal it federalizes the whole project. So the more you can keep them to just state funding, but you could mix ANATME and Adola, that's state funding, right? And um go that way. And then the MM the MMO, you guys may have heard some of that got pulled back. So the communities won't receive as much direct distribution. It went from 85% to 70% with the last um legislative session. So I know that's a lot of information really fast, but And then we just wanted to make sure you knew you were in the North Front Range. >> I'm just amazed that you do a lot more than I thought. >> Oh yeah, they do. >> You know, it's so it's nice to hear all the things that you do, which is fantastic and I look forward to information about it. >> Any other additional questions, comments? >> All right. Thank you, Elizabeth. Thank you, Becky. Thank you. I appreciate it. Good seeing you as well. >> Thanks for the update. I'm sure >> that is They weren't public. >> You should have asked me. I would have told you. Yeah, they're always open to the public. Do you remember that guy Steve here? Talk about like transportation. He he would always Yeah. All right. Next item on our agenda is the review of the animal regulations and potential amendments to the Evans Municipal Code. Turn it over to staff. >> Yes, Mayor Council Wall. Uh Chief's getting ready. Uh this is going to be a review of article or I'm sorry, title six uh of the um title six of the uh Evans Municipal Code where we're going to talk about uh animal regulations. So, we've had a couple discussions here at the council level uh for the animal regulations and this is going to be going through and evalu evaluating what are our requirements today and what changes would the city council like to see uh here in the near future. So, with that, I think we're still trying to get the computer to work. >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'll have this up in just a minute here, but um I can start off with kind of the outline, the purpose of what we're here for, right? So um the goal of this is just to give you as much information as we can on what our current ordinance is, what other municipalities in Weld County are doing. Um as well as what options we have, right? we can go a couple of different directions uh based on your uh guidance and um no one answer is perfect, right? So, they all have their they each have their own uh benefits and drawbacks. So, the focus on this again is just to review that uh animal regulation, uh compare Evans current ordinance to what other communities in Weld County are doing, discuss potential modifications to the animal control uh regulations, and really focus is to just obtain guidance from you and direction on future ordinance amendments. Um, and the key policy decision here really is how should Evans regulate household animals and should residents continue to have the ability to seek exceptions to established limits by the under the ordinance. So, um, that's really one of the keys and as you'll see as we move through this, um, we're unique in that in that category. Current Evans regulation establishes household animal limits. It regulates nuisance animals um, and animal welfare. We currently regulate animals running at large. We currently regulate dangerous animals, right? Um that includes a formal variance process allowing residents to request approval to exceed those established animal limits. Our current approach um we have a standard animal limit pet animals, right? Our residents request a variance. There's a casebyase review in front of the council um and there's an approval or a denial. Key observation of this is that the variance process is the primary feature um that distinguishes Evans from many comparable communities. We're the only one in Weld County that has a variance process. Um when we did a a look back at all of the different municipalities in Weld County, most commonly are there are three to four animal limits um throughout Weld County. Numerical limits remain common throughout Weld County. The variance process is rare. Um among comparable uh municipalities, most common uh facts are that the communities rely on fixed standards. Most of the communities, some of them um have current animal limits that are generally consistent with neighboring jurisdictions. So that's how we are currently um regulated right now. So we're pretty consistent across the Wild County that does provide animal limits. Um but the variance process is very uncommon and in we are the only community in Weld County that truly uses a variance uh opportunity. There are some that use um uh special use permits to kind of go around animal uh regulations based on size of their property and whether or not they're maybe holding kennels or that type of a a a you know a a a use special use permit. But we're the only ones that actually have a variance where you can come in and say, "Hey, the city says you can have four dogs and three cats, but I have six dogs and nine cats, and I'd like the council to say that that's okay. We're the only ones that have that kind of process in place." So, the big question is whether or not we should continue allowing that exception to established limits. When you look at the options we have for moving forward with the animal uh variance or the animal regulations specifically option one maintain the existing ordinance continue our current system right retain existing household animal limits retain current variance process continue the case by case review as they come to council I know there have not been a lot we've in the last year we've had two and prior to that many people can't remember one coming in front of council but in the Last year we've had two one's led to litigation, right? Um advantages the main it maintains flexibility because it provides options, right? Preserves current process. Nothing needs to be done. Allows consideration of unique circumstances. So when you do have a set of circumstances that are unique to an individual family or household, uh council can can allow for that. The considerations are are there's a continued administrative review for this process constantly in front of council. We don't really control how many families come in front of council for that. The potential as for inconsistent outcomes and it doesn't align with most municipalities that we've reviewed. Right? We looked at all of Weld County and like I said, we're it as far as that specific process is concerned. Option two, fixed limits on dogs, cats, and fowl. We kind of already have something like this, right? in just the definition of pet animals. Um it doesn't specifically outline dogs, cats, and fowl, but it includes pet animals which include dogs, cats, and fowl as well as other other pets. This has uh this opportunity provides us establish fixed limits for dogs, establish fixed limits for cats, establish fixed limits for hens, prohibit roosters in residential zoning districts, and then eliminate the variance process. Some of the advantages to this option, clear and objective standards, easier administration and enforcement from the police department's perspective, consistent application. We're not, you know, wavering back and forth and making individual decisions based on a family or a household. Align with many of the Weld County municipalities uh that we looked at. Um some of the considerations are it is less flexible. No question about that, right? Um council uh has to establish what those limits are. So that that's a policy decision for you to determine and give me guidance on and then we'll come back to you with what that might look like. And then you know it doesn't specifically address less common household animals. So let's say there's somebody with birds, fish, gerbles, hamsters, rabbits, pot belly pigs, right? There's there's all of these different animals out there. So uh and many of them pet animals at you know residences residents throughout the community. So, uh there's a little little bit uh of a of a gap there, right? And that's that's a choice that we can make or we can try to close the gap. And that's option three, right? Option uh sorry, option three is more comprehensive. Right? So, the framework for this would be to separate limits for dogs, cats, birds, rabbits, reptiles, and snakes, pot belly pigs, ferrets, small animals, and hens. And kind of divine define that into a animal option. Um, additional provisions would, you know, look at combining household animal limits, prohibition of roosters, still eliminating that variance process. Some of the advantages here, it's the most comprehensive approach, right? It gives us the most broad aspect of what we're looking at, addresses specific uh, species specific concerns and provides greater flexibility than a combined limit. Some of the bigger considerations here, it's much more complex of an ordinance, right? It's going to be much more uh work on council's end on our end to kind of look at that but also the enforcement practice of it becomes much more complex from the enforcement strategy. Um many more increased uh requirements through the enforcement process and then extensive revisions as required. Right? So if if suddenly um we have this fixed set of animals but we've got uh we've left something out or there's this new animal that's kind of being introduced as a pet suddenly it's like okay we got to come back and address that specific issue right so um when I when I looked at this um I kind of looked at it from the perspective of do nothing which we've had some trouble with right do a lot which I don't know how effective it'll be But we can certainly do it. We're kind of landing somewhere in the middle and look at what our primary pet animals are. Put some limits on that. Focus on removing the variance and try to come up with something that works for the community, is logical for the community that we, you know, we we operate in. Right? So that's what I'm looking for from council tonight and that's what the discussion session is about. It's really about option one, maintaining that current process. Option two, establish fixed limits for dogs, cats, and fowl. to eliminate the variance and and probably uh regulate roosters because currently we don't have that regulation in the residential areas. And then option three just that more comprehensive species specific uh focus on what we want to do probably still eliminating that variance uh so that we can be more consistent with everybody in Weld County. Um once we get some feedback from council and go through the discussion, be happy to draft that ordinance, get it through our city attorney and get it back in front of council uh you know as quickly as possible so that we can move forward with that if that's the choice you want. If the choice is leave its status quo, no more work needs to be done. Right? Again, I think the key decision point here is really the variance piece. That's probably the biggest key to to this particular discussion. And with that, we can start taking questions or discussion or your thoughts. >> Council member Delaney. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, thanks for the presentation. Fairly good. Uh, quick question about option two. Um, just because it's not called out specifically, our current order uh current um ordinance does call out dangerous uh animals that would be maintained even under option two. >> Correct. So, we would just focus on with any one of these options, we'd focus on the section of the ordinance that really focuses on pet animals, and that's where we would focus our changes. It doesn't mean we have to wholesale change everything in our ordinance because those are all kind of laid out in different sections within the statute within our ordinance. And the one that really affects the limits of the dogs is is really just one section within the ordinance, number of pets, pet animals. and we would need to change that definition and then focus on whatever those limits might look like. But the remaining at large issues, dangerous animals, zoning issues, those would all stay in effect. >> Perfect. Thank you. Um the only thing else I'll say so that I don't have to come back is I strongly recommend getting rid of the variance. I mean of anything. Um so that's all I have. Thank you. >> So real quick, sorry. So >> I do I do too. >> Option one. >> Option two. option too. Okay. All right. Uh, Mayor Port, >> um, thank you for bringing this to us. I know I was one that had a lot of questions on this, so I appreciate your information. Um, I'm also for option two at least. Um, but I was wondering, do any of the cities in Weld County have one that uh, what followed the option three? So most of the time if it's an option three specifically, >> well not not truly option three is that they have no limits, >> right? They just don't have any regulation of of pet animals at all. And that it's not uncommon. It we're pretty rural county. So there are some municipalities that don't have a lot of >> uh regulation at all. Um option three is not super common. Um, it's a little more common when you move into Adams County. When you move into Adams County, there are far more. I went through this exact process in Adams County uh, prior to coming up here, and there were far more. Well, so everybody had an actual limit of some sort, but a lot of those communities did regulate potbelly pigs, did regulate roosters, did regulate hens, did regulate um you know, hamsters and other uh internal animals, you know, internals of the house animals. >> Thank you. Um I'm also for option two and getting rid of the variance. Thank you, >> Council Member Free. Good evening, Chief. So, my My major approach to this is just some basic bullet points like the welfare of the animal I'm after. I'm concerned about lot sizes. So, as long as we can address the lot size, if I have an acre or two acres, I don't want to be put into restrictions of having two dogs versus something else. Uh, I'd like to define food versus pet. You have rabbits up there. Well, what if I'm raising rabbits for food versus rabbits for pets? Um, so I guess we'd like to I would like to see us define what a pet is. I'm definitely for no variance. And um I'd like to define a dangerous animal and not allow it. But at the end of the day, I also need to tread lightly because it's the personal property and the right to have whatever pet people want. Um, I'm op I'm for option two, but I'd like to really define some of those things, make sure that we're sensitive to those definitions. And when we do this, we will at least stress address those. Correct. And we'll this isn't going to be a highle skimover. We're truly going to go in and redefine. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So I think the approach you're kind of referring to is almost a little bit of a hybrid of two three which is totally available and that's that let's say cats and dogs are the primary restriction. We don't want people with six dogs and 23 cats, right? But we we identify a a total of eight pet animals, you know, with no more than a combination of six dogs and cats. And that still allows for two additional pet animals that we can define a list of animals that are pet animals, you know, and so there are options in and out of these where we can kind of guide that um that piece. The uh dangerous animals is a separate part of the ordinance. It's already in there. Uh welfare already separate part of the ordinance. Nuisance separate part of the ordinance. Those don't have to be touched. >> Roosters for sure. loose animals, we can you regulate those independently through uh the ordinance as it sits. So, it's really it really does we do have an option here to to limit pet animals and still define maybe dogs, cats, and >> something else foul. And >> my example is, you know, I have some residents that they have two dogs and two cats, but they also have four chickens. And those chickens aren't pets. They're eggplane chickens. And they're not a nuisance. They're just in their yard. They get their eggs. No big deal. And so I don't want to infringe on their rights to then come in and have your officer have to confront that and say, "Well, that's considered a pet and I would rather not have to deal with that." >> So are explicitly out. >> I just want that's what I'm talking about. What I want to do and I also want to define a rabbit. >> So like the same situation. If I'm raising rabbits for food and there's four of them caged up, that's not a pet. That's what I'm harvesting. So, I just want to make sure that as we're approaching this, maybe a hybrid is the way I would like to see, but without what you did for Adams County. I don't want to go so in depth that it's a burden for the workload of the police department or us, but I would like to make sure that we at least identify that we're not overstepping our bounds. do think some of your concerns can be addressed through zoning as well, right? I I don't know if we're going to have animals for food on a quarter acre lot in Evans, right? >> You would with eggs. >> Um, we would still want to limit that number, right? We wouldn't want to be like, "Okay, have 27 chickens in your backyard." >> I would agree with that. So like so there would still be that you know zoning piece andor residential piece that we can incorporate to make sure that we're providing that your example of a 1acre lot sure you might be able to have uh other um food animals right but on your quarter acre your typical quarter acre lot in our residential zones that number matters a little bit more specifically than than when you have the right zoning for larger situ situations. >> But when my neighbor has four egg laying chickens and a couple of dogs and a couple of cats, I don't want to step on that neighbor, >> right? >> Okay. >> Can I ask a clarifying question? >> Yes. >> Um, does the So, you know, we have the established fixed limits for dogs, cats, and hens. That would mean let's say it's 44 and four. I'm not saying that's what it is. So, how no matter how many dogs or cats you have, doesn't affect how many hens you're allowed to have. >> Correct. We could draft the ordinance that way if that was the choice. 100%. You can also do combinations. You know, eight eight animals of dogs and cats, any combination, right? It could be two dogs and six cats or six cats and two dogs. I think that's a good way to organize the ordinance because that way it's equitable to everybody when you're when you're looking at the cat lovers versus the dog lovers. when you're looking at, you know, a a number that's reasonable for the community and then you're looking at hens, I would probably pull them out as a separate, you know, uh, animal. >> Thank you. >> So to speak, and then, uh, still list a combined total so that you don't get carried away with hens or carried away with dogs or carried carried away with cats, right? So, >> I think there's a way to do that. Thank you, >> Council Member O'Neal. >> Yes, Chief H. How would this affect uh the uh feral cat community? As far as I know, we have two in possibly in the city. And I guess this came out of an old collaboration between the city possibly and the county and the old humane society where the uh people were given permits to be able to trap the feral cats and get them um take them to the main society and get them fixed and then return to the community. >> Sure. A TNR program. >> Pardon? TNR program trap neuter return. >> Yes. >> So I think the way we have to go about that is just be careful how we define the keeping of the animals, right? Because a a feral cat isn't a kept animal. It's not a pet, right? That's a feral animal. And it if you're feeding trapneuter return animals and you're caring for them, you're providing houses for them in your yard, those type of things, you're getting more into a pet than you are to a feral cat. And it's not really so much the TNR, right? Cats are predators. Cats are going to survive on their own out there if they're truly feral. And I think we want to draw a clear delineation in that in the ordinance um with how you treat a a TNR type animal, right? And and there are lots of studies that support TNR throughout communities, right? It it generally reduces the population of feral cats because we are neutering and spaying them, right? Um it reduces a lot of the nuisance issues because they're no longer in heat and you don't have cats and animals running all over the noises and the the the uh the spraying of of personal property, right? So, there are some some real benefits to TNR. I think we just need to be careful in the ordinance that we make sure that if you decide to take a TNR situation and turn it into a I'm caring for 18 cats in my backyard that are feral, I have houses for them. And I I can speak really clearly to this because I had this in another community where that's exactly what was occurring. Um, and this particular individual, um, TNRed over 50 cats and then would care for them in his own home, in his own yard. He'd build houses for them in the back and feed them. And you're you're no that's not a pet animal anymore. That's that's not a I'm sorry, a feral animal. That's a pet, right? I know that they're not the type of pet you can run and pet and touch and hold because they're feral cats and they're just going to run away. But there's a difference between that and a true feral cat. That's a difference between a true TNR program, right? The TNR program uh reduces population. It cares for the animal. It's it it takes care of any kind of viruses and stuff that'll be pushed to the community through the uh through vaccinations and all those things. But cats are meant to be feral if if that's the case. and they hunt for themselves, they feed themselves. It's no different than a fox, a coyote, you know, we don't care for them in the yard either, right? So, we just need to be careful that we make sure we cover that in the ordinance and I think we can ensure that that's not uh a continued problem. >> Council member Johnson, >> I also like the hybrid approach um two and three or it doesn't have to be two and three, but in between those two. Um, and I do agree with defining um, pet like indoor that needs to be said. Um, but I do like this animal regulation and potential amendments sheet that's um, in here because it kind of gives you what every, you know, every city has done. But I do agree because I see some of them says regulated through zoning or regulated separately or regulated by acreage. I also especially when it comes to well the category of foul in chickens I do agree that it should be regulated by acreage um or even um regulated through zoning as you mentioned if that would make it easier because I don't want to make it complicated and like whichever is the easiest and if it falls under zoning and it's a better way to regulate it I would say that um whatever that looks like but just really knowing what's the best of action there >> um would be the best. I do agree to having limits um you know on dogs and cats and then its own on like fowl or chickens or pets. I want like exactly how it's kind of delineated here. It would be nice to see those separations between every single category that's on this list. >> Okay. So that's that's approach three then. >> What was that? >> So you're in favor of approach three? I I like a hybrid. Not exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like although it seems like I do, it it's not necessarily, you know, I want the best approach. I I'm not too >> I'm not two, but I feel like I'm more two than three, but some of those approaches. So that's why I say hybrid. So, I think we do currently have zoning regulations and we currently have um issues that we can address through the ordinance currently based on um the the specific zone of where the residence is. So, we have some of those. We can strengthen them. Um we can expand on the number of animals. We can do those things. We could create acreage pieces for the ordinance. Um, the broader we get, just the more complex it gets, right? Then we then when my officers are trying to enforce, you know, I've I'm I'm pulling I'm pulling county records to determine what the acreage of the piece of property is, they're not going to know that at the scene, right? So, >> and that's what I'm saying. >> Those are different different issues that we'd have to address. >> If zoning is a better way, I would prefer that. I'm just kind of bringing like the scenarios of which one would be best, but if it falls better under zoning, I would say let's do that. So, it it makes it easier on you. Um, also barking dogs. Is that does that fall under like the nuisance code? Okay. Skin is already addressed. Correct. Yep. >> Okay. And then um yeah, so that's kind of where I stand. I mean I think what has been mentioned I'm kind of in line with that. Um but definitely a hybrid model. >> Where are you on the variance? >> No variance. That just also >> so what I'm hearing is full agreement on no variance. >> Yes. >> Like that's that's a full you know across the council and then for the most part probably uh two to three to two to three on some type of a uh a hybrid slash two approach. >> Yeah. Op option 2.5 for lack of a better term. >> Yeah. Yeah, try to expand on it a little bit and then uh and then you know bring back something that you guys can look at and if you're you have some disagreement on it, we can we can talk further. I think I have enough direction to I think I can get that. >> I can't get mine. >> What's that? >> Sorry. You're sorry. >> You're good. >> No, I I I agree with what was said. Kind of like a 2.5 approach to that, you know, and handle it through zoning. No variance as well. However, I want to eliminate roosters. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. Because I know we I didn't I didn't hear that was mentioned because we did get >> Okay, got it. Also, too, I don't want to put a limit on so many dogs, so many cats, so many this. Let's make it a number. I don't care if it's you have three cats and two dogs if the number is five or five dogs and or, you know, four dogs and one cat. That that's fine. And if we're going to put a number, let's not say it has to be so many cats, so many dogs. I That's just ridiculous. >> Selected household though is what I'd like to see. And you can mix and match as you'd like. >> Right. Correct. >> I'd like to add that both option two and three prohibit roosters. >> Right. >> But also, um two, um as far as like fish and all that stuff, I I don't even think that needs to be included in that because I'm I'm an aquarium guy. So >> Yeah. You can have a lot of fish in an aquarium. Exactly. So I I think that's >> we're going to put a cap on you. >> So yeah, I mean I I just think through the zone what was what was that? 2.5 but no defining how many >> you have a number is the number eight is the number six is the number nine is >> I think it should be based on the household headcount. Like if you have four people that can live in a house then it should be x number. I'm sure there's some statistical data out there that supports the animal welfare based on that and that's where we should collect that data from, not from us. >> So, I actually tried to look that up going into this. >> Yeah, it's tough. >> That's really >> Yeah. >> And the Wild County Humane Society, I'm sure, has some information that can help us point in that direction. I would not want to make it subjective to us. I would like to make sure that we actually use some statistical data and make a logical point. >> Uh so my only question to that is >> which I mean you you threw out Wel County Humane Society >> because you rebuttled the data that you found. >> No, no, no, no. >> There's a lot of data I found. >> Okay. >> But depending on who you ask, >> that number varies wildly, >> right? >> So my my problem is is I see you're trying to take us out of it. But by choosing the data set, we're going right back into it. >> Okay, >> that was my concern. >> So, >> well, I'm sure there's a statistical average that we can take and that by definition six. >> Okay, >> I don't care how many dogs >> six is common throughout Weld County. That's very common. >> I was actually thinking >> four to six is common >> because the reason why I what I noticed was there was four dogs, four cats, three dogs, three cats in a lot of those things >> and that seems like a lot. And so halfway in between >> seven. >> So sorry chief, what did you say? So you said what was common? >> So it's common for six regulated. Four to six is the most common in Weld County. The actual common most common is four. All right. And then six is also regulated relatively routinely. It's on the list of of the communities I gave you. >> And if we're going to separate out hens, >> seven dots. >> Okay. So I'm at six. >> Well, no. Can we see? I think we're going back to >> I'm I'm giving a number, but if you have something different then that's why. >> Okay. So, I'm like definitely four dogs >> and like because I do see that it's always four like that's like the the for dogs in here and then three um for cats and then most of them is like no limit on cats at all or not verified. And so I do agree with the seven with um council member Delaney. So, if we're going to use a combo, which was kind of what I heard, right? You guys want to use a combo number? >> But see, if we do, so if it's a combo, if we're not um identifying the specific and it's a combination, I would say six. >> Uh I'm going to actually change I misread this report. I would say four because that seems to be >> Could you just imagine for a moment having seven dogs as a neighbor? Yeah, >> that's ridiculous for welfare >> and just as a nuisance. >> Yeah. >> And I, like I said, I don't want to define if you if you're a cat person and you want to have six cats, that's fine. If you're a dog person and you want to have six dogs, that's fine because everybody has their preference on animals. So, I don't want to say, well, you're limited to four or or two or I think that's now skirting. >> Certain people like certain animals and that's what they like. Hey, Clark. Your home can't support six of your dogs. >> My home can't, but I'm That's just a um that's my number. Like I said, this is a discussion. A majority of the council comes up with a discussion. >> I would say four. I'd say >> if we were to lump them all together and then separate out HS and have number specific for H, >> right? >> If we were So that's where I that's where I personally come into personal turmoil because if we were going to lump them together, I would say four. But if we were to separate them out, I don't care how many cats you have in your house. >> So >> if it's within welfare, because then I would say no more than four dogs. And that's why >> Let me run through some numbers for you. And that'll help you. I think I think this will help. Right. So alt three combined, cats and dogs. They don't care what the number is. It's three total. >> Dono, three dogs, four cats. Uh I'm sorry, three dogs or three cats, total of four. So you can have a combined of four, but you can have three dogs or three cats. Or you can have a combined four total. So you could have three cats and one dog, three dogs and one cat, but you can only have three cats or three dogs, right? There's eight four dogs plus one litter. So if they had a puppy, they could puppies for six months, they could have a litter had what? >> Uh four dogs plus one litter. They don't limit cats. Um included in the four total is us for Evans. We we were currently four total for pet animals, right? Not counting and that counted actual hens. So, uh, Firestone is a four combined. So, any number of either one but four total, right? Um, Fort Lupton three combined. Any number of either one but three total. Um, Johnstown total of four including any one number but no more than four. Lasal is three. Uh, meat is four combined. Uh, Milikin is three dogs, no limit on cats. Pierce is four dogs, no limit on cats. So that number really does that four to six is truly across the board >> and it comes in at four most often. Um and it's a generally a combined total. Um some of them I think there's two communities I didn't list one that have um you can have three dogs three cats but four total >> at most but most cat at four dogs and then and then their limit on cats there's no limit. So, >> and so >> what about what about four dogs and cats combined? Any combination and four hens? >> Hens are not a separate thing. >> I personally would like to sleep on this the actual number and get back to you on my number and not focus so much on the actual number and >> on the next work position. >> Yeah. >> Hold on. Well, we don't Let's see what the majority says. It's for you. >> So, that's where I come. I I my idea of a hybrid is because I want to see it like this list that's in here that you provided. Um I want to see dogs like kind of at four and then cats at two and then pets whether we decide to put a no um limit or a limit and then fouls and chicken. How we regulate it whether it's through zoning, however we do it. Um, that's how I would like to see it. Kind of like this, but not getting but but also make it to where it's generalized. I don't want to say pets and then define every single pet. Just pet. If it's an indoor pet, that's exactly what you're like what we're doing um for that. Whatever the number comes down to, but it's it's just it makes sense because it looks like everyone follows this model. And so for me it's just it's easier so everyone can compare every city or if someone were to go in and say okay where does um Evans fall within all these cities they can see and it makes sense. Um but but if we were to do a combination then just for dogs and cats combination for me I would do six >> combination for >> and that is excluding pets and foul and chickens. I'm just ex I'm just looking at the combination of dogs and cats. And that's kind of where I want to make that distinction. Are we lumping all of the categories together or are we exclusively focusing on dogs and cats here? >> I'm focusing on >> That's your choice. >> Yeah, I'm focusing my number was six for dogs and cats. >> Same. >> And I'm going to come back with a beautiful number that the rest of the municipalities will start following me. >> And then we can have it and highlight it. Council member Neil, we haven't heard from you. >> Uh, I for keeping it at at four. I I've got uh I've always had problems with dogs in the neighborhood, just one or two. Uh, now I've got uh one neighbor that's uh got five. I thought they only had four, but they got five. in there turning around at 2 two 2 3:00 in the morning I guess when one of them was going to work and uh barking and waking people up and so I'm I'm for a smaller definitely a smaller number on this. Um >> so would your four be four dogs, four cats? combination of >> combination. >> There's four total. So if you have three dogs and one cat, you're good. Or three cats and one dog, you're good. >> That what you're Okay. >> Yep. >> Sorry. Go ahead. Continue. >> Yeah, I think so. >> Okay. >> For the four total as well, but just dogs and cats because I understand people are having chickens to get eggs or rabbits. We have people that raise them for stew and other meals. So I understand if we need to do that separately >> the mic please uh for animals dogs and cats and then um separately we would look at the chickens and the raising other animals or whatnot for whatever other purposes please. I'm for um combined dogs and cats and um I do think that we need to limit hens, but I other other animals, fish, reptiles, I just don't see that as an issue. >> So, council member Johnson because we have three that's for four combo and you and I are both for six combo. But I mean, I don't again looking at this, I even though it's a combo of six, I would limit dogs to four and cats to two. You see what I'm saying? And so it's it's hard. It's >> pretty common. Six dogs is a lot of dogs. >> It is. And so that's where I'm at. Like I wouldn't mind someone having four dogs if you have a family of four and everyone has a dog or what have you, whatever the reason is. And then two cats. I think that's reasonable. But in combin like and that's where I the combination component. I wouldn't want six dogs. And so that's and I that's what I keep on going back to reverting back to this list because I like how it it really um states although maybe six it limits like dogs and cats. It can say six but you can't have no more than three and then no more than three cats or four dogs or two cats whatever the combination is that we we arrive to. But yeah, >> dogs are generally more problematic from nuisance issues than cats are generally as a general >> practice, right? So you could limit you could do a six combination if you chose and limit the dogs to four >> and you know a combination of six, but dogs at limit at four, you could have six cats probably not going to be a big nuisance. You're not getting barking cat complaints. >> Um but you could you could get in there and then separately and I don't know that we would even regulate fowl or any of the other stuff unless it was by zoning. >> Exactly. >> So you are just to clarify. So you just based on that conversation >> So based on that conversation you are six with the limit of four dogs. >> Yes. any sorry well I just I I just had a question for Councilwoman Johnson. Where do you see anybody that allows six? To me it seems like the on this list it's combined four or three or no regulation. I mean is that is that >> Well, for example, if you look at Leel, they have three dogs and then two cats. So they have five. >> Um >> right. But that's specifically saying you have can only have three dogs >> and two cats. >> Right. So what I am saying I like the combination of six but I want to limit four and then two um four to four dogs. So if someone would were were to have four dogs they can have and they decide to have two cats but it's a total of six. So that I mean because I'm not stating that I'm just stating that I like how this is kind of um defined and I think a total of six would be great. I just don't like combining and saying, "Oh, it's all dogs." Or, you know what I mean? It's six dogs. I just want to put a limit to that as it shows here. There is limits. >> Are you seeing the same thing I'm saying? >> No, I'm really not. I There's one instance of what you're ex and most. >> Well, for example, Milikin has three dogs, no cat limits identified. >> Okay. >> Right. So, are you saying that you would prefer a four dog limit and we don't care about cats? Is that >> No. >> No. A total of six. So, if you're having four dogs, you can only have two cats. >> That's what she's saying. >> But can I have six dogs? >> No, you can only have four dogs. >> She wants to put a limit of total of six animals, but a cat four dogs. >> So, you could have six cats. >> You keep saying I can only have two cats. >> No, that's what I know. If you have four dogs, >> if you have four dogs, she's saying, right, that's what she said. >> You still >> I'm still 44. >> Okay. >> As someone who is experienced uh being in a house on Golden Street in a single level house and had uh my supervisor had had to let the dogs in. his uh one of his kids were raising show dogs, boxers, and to have seven half-grown boxer puppies come charging in the house. Uh they're not going to hurt you, but they'll lick you to death, but if you're standing up, they're going to knock you flat. And plus the parents. So that to me, especially in in some of the houses we have over on the east side, that's way too many dogs and it's probably way too many dogs for a for people to have in a in a 1600 square foot house in my opinion. So, and it's it there you're going to have more maintenance problems. And as someone who has lived next door to a uh former Evans policeman, he uh did not remove the waste that their dogs created in the backyard. The smell became atrocious with just uh two or three dogs. And they used to uh I can't think of the guy's name to come around and used to charge five bucks. I think somebody sell told me to clean up your backyard. So, so I'm still at four. >> Still four combined. >> I'm at I'm going to go to four combined. So, there you go. There's your majority. >> So, four combined. No more than four dogs. No more than four cats. Four combined total. I'll bring hens out. Is the number for hens also four? >> I I don't have any. >> It's currently where we are now. >> So I I'm kind of I I don't know how much room hens take. I I don't know. >> This is why I was going to email you all my answers. >> None of the community has more than six hens. So no community that regulates hens allows more than six. Most allow four. >> I would say keep it at four. >> And we're currently at four. So, four combined, four hens. That's where I'm at. >> Keep it at four. >> Four. >> Okay. There you go. >> Everything else through zoning. >> Yes. >> Everything else through zoning. Yes. >> I got the direction I need. I will move forward and bring you back something that I think you guys can uh can approve >> and I'll still email you. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you, chief.