Paso Robles, California

Testing, testing. Jessica, can you hear me? Testing, testing, Jessica. >> I can now. >> Thank you. >> Okay, welcome to the Planning Commission meeting of Tuesday, June 23rd, 2026. Call to order. I'd like to start with the Pledge of Allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay, great. >> [clears throat] >> Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Neil. >> Here. >> Commissioner Christensen. >> Commissioner Roden. >> Here. >> Commissioner Lorenz. Commissioner Covarrubias. >> Here. >> And Commissioner Coggler is absent and it looks like Commissioner Lorenz is also absent. And Chairperson Marlow, sorry. >> I'm here. >> He's >> Thank you. >> Uh staff introductions, please. >> Marcy Reynoso and Jessica Ferguson, permit technicians. >> Darren Nash, city planner. >> Piper Smith, assistant planner. Darcy Delgado, associate planner. Karen Jackson, IT. >> Is there anyone on the line? >> Michael, would you like to introduce >> Michael Urban, city attorney's office. >> Okay, great. Thank you so much. Item E, general public comments regarding matters not on the agenda. Seeing none in the audience, any callers? >> No callers. >> Okay. >> [clears throat] >> Item F, agenda items proposed to be tabled or rescheduled. >> There are none. >> There are none. Great. Let's move on to G, public hearings. Um Item one, Spring Street Village PC 260033. Is there a staff presentation? >> Good evening, commissioners. For 3328 Spring Street, the Spring Street Villages. Um this is time extension 2602. Um some of you may be familiar with this or have seen it in the past. Let's see. Sometimes you can get it at once and then There we are. All right. So, 3328 Spring Street is located in the neighborhood commercial general land use designation in the T4 and C zoning designation. Um here you can see on the map, um right behind an existing mixed-use, which was phase one of this project along Spring Street, um 34th and Park Street. So, the time extension is requesting a 2-year time extension for the associated entitlements for planned development 1804 and the vesting tentative tract map 3047, um the phase two of Spring Street Villages, extending the project expiration date to May 14th, 2028. Um phase two and what we're focusing on tonight is the construction of 74 new multi-family units. 19 of those are deed restriction deed restriction low-income units with density bonuses. Um this image here is just the initial um tentative tract map showing the two parcels behind um that existing mixed-use. Getting a little bit of background and looking at the timeline, so PD 1804 was actually an amendment of PD 13 that altered this phase two that's requesting the time extension. They had two time extensions in 2020 and 2023 that led to the expiration date in 2024. This was a mix of standard time extensions as well as um some COVID extensions, so the numbers are a little bit off from their standard. Then in 20 24, um the applicant did not apply in time for another time extension, so they had to submit for a refile um where the project was viewed and reviewed a little bit more as a new entitlement. Therefore, the shot clock for your time extensions reset. That was approved in 2024 and was set to expire May 14th, 2026. The applicant then came back and applied for a 2-year time extension submitted before the deadline. Um and if this time extension is approved tonight, it will expire May 14th, 2028. Something to keep in mind, PD 1804 in municipal code has four additional years. So, they could be eligible for time extensions as long as they apply at the appropriate deadline up to 2032. Um this is something again they still have to apply and go through the review period. Um and then after your four additional years it does become a new project. Taking a look at the site plan on the left here you have the phase one that is constructed. Um that's existing mixed-use some commercial some residential. And then in the rear is where you get your parking and your two multi-family units split into two buildings. Here we have a rendering looking at 34th and Park Street of what that may look like. So, you're kind of looking towards Spring Street in a way of these three-story apartment buildings. Taking a look at the site now. Um again this is your existing phase one the mixed-use apartment buildings commercial on the ground floor. Both looking kind of from a northern perspective and southern perspective down on Spring Street. And here we have the existing site conditions. Um it has been fenced off just to keep it protected. Um no changes relatively vegetation no grading has occurred yet. So, part of this time extension for the required findings um there have been no changes in circumstances that would change the review authorities findings. No changes in the provisions of the general plan zoning code or other laws. The character of the site or its surrounding and that evidence has been provided by the applicant um documenting the reason for said time extension. Um so, there have been no changes to the proposed project nor the nature. Uh the project is located in the the Uptown Town Center specific plan um that has not changed since the original approval of the project. Um the general character of the site, again, it was anticipated that this phase one was going to be completed and has been completed since about 2017. Um, as well as the adjacent sites are developed and have been maintained since. Um, and then on the right here is a letter from the applicant with the evidence stating why the time extension is applicable due to construction financing, um, and cost of of inflation. That may be the applicant online as a heads-up. So, taking a look at CEQA, the project is exempt from CEQA, um, falls under class 32 categorical exemption, um, as infill development. And the options the Planning Commission has tonight to approve the two-year time extension, approve the time extension for a shorter period, refer the project back to staff, or deny. And staff is recommending to approve the time extension by adopting draft resolution PC 26 based on findings and subject to conditions of approval of the original PD 18. And the applicant, I believe, should be online, um, if he is there, if he has any, um, comments. Otherwise, we can open up to to Planning Commission. >> Is the applicant on the line? >> Uh, hi, this is Ryan Jeffries. Can you hear me? >> Yeah, we can hear you. >> Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, the, um, I had to dial in. The online link was not, uh, functioning. Um, uh, thank you guys for taking a look at the project and, uh, and considering the time extension. Uh, as I mentioned in my letter to, uh, to staff, um, we've, been unable proceed with finalizing the conditions of approval and obtaining construction financing due to the inflated cost of construction at the current moment as well as interest rate environment, but we are committed to trying to finish off build um and occupy this project. So, I I appreciate you guys taking a look at this and considering the the grant for the time extension we're requesting. >> Great. Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> Bringing it to back to the commissioners for any comments or questions of staff or the applicant. >> I just had a clarification question Piper on the time frame. You go back to that really quick and you mentioned the four-year term. But, does that start from the initial or does it start from May 14th, 2024? >> It is six total and since the refile Sorry, I'm getting lost in dates myself. Um refile was in 2024 and so they had two years. This will then be year three and four. So, you are correct. It actually will be 2030 cuz it's six total. >> Okay. Thank you for that. I just It's kind of a refresher for me too to look at that. So, okay. Thank you for the clarification. So, they would have till 2030 if it's approved now if we extend it out. Thank you. >> This To Yeah, to clarify, this will just be approving it for a two-year time extension. They will have to apply for another time extension. >> the but the total of the four years would be to 2030, not 2032. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Thanks. Great. Any of my other commissioners have any questions or comments? Any public comments? Seeing none, are there any callers? >> No callers. >> Great. I'd like to bring it back to the commission for any more comments or a motion. >> Commissioner Roden. >> Commissioner Neil. >> So, I being the old guy on the planning commission, I've been here for every time this thing has been this project has been here. I've liked it from the beginning. So, I'd like to move approval of the 2-year time extension by adopting draft resolution PC 26 XXX based on findings and subject to conditions of approval. >> Second. >> Okay, I got a first by Neil and a second by Roden. Do we have any other comments? If not, roll call, please. >> Commissioner Neil. >> I. >> Commissioner Roden. >> Commissioner Christensen. >> I. >> Commissioner Covarrubias. >> And Chairperson Marlow. >> I. >> Passes 5-0. >> Great. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> You are welcome. Moving on to item G2, modification to hillside development standards staff report. Darcy. >> Good morning. Darcy Delgado, I'll be your supervisor. Darcy Delgado, I'll be providing the staff report for this item. Um so, as noted, this is a retaining wall height modification for 128 and 132 Almond Street. Um this is just near the intersection of South River and Creston Road um by the 13th Street bridge. Um the zoning here is R2 and historically this site uh developed with a single family residence. There are actually two underlying lots here, hence why we have the two address points. Um, but that that home was destroyed by um the riverbed fire back in 2020. And so, um with the reconstruction and redevelopment of the site, uh we are here tonight to discuss a retaining wall height modification. So, typically the planning commission does not get involved with single family residences, ADUs. Um, but in this case we have a retaining wall that is supporting the infrastructure, um the parking, the access, and whatnot for this um for this uh new um new construction for uh there's two uh single family residences and two ADUs on the uh one each on the underlying lots. Um, so when permits were issued back in July for these um four units, um you know, things have have been uh realized more recently with the retaining wall, which if any of the planning commissioners have been on site, you'll you've seen the um that we're here tonight to discuss uh up to 12-ft tall retaining wall. Um, I just wanted to point out some of the pictures on the screen. So, photo one is the former sing former single family residence, and this was taken around 2015 uh via Google Street View. Um, and then the um photo number two is a view of the subject site looking southeast. Um, this was around January 2025. So, the the main house was had already been destroyed, um but I'm not seeing at least with the fence blocking, I'm not really seeing construction starting, but just um two perspectives of of looking at this at this site and the historical topography and the like really the constraints of of um developing the site. Um, so as I said during construction and and more recently, um one of the retaining walls um was determined that it was built taller than what was originally approved to a height of up to 12-ft tall. So, I wanted to kind of describe what you're seeing in the image um on the screen. So, this is the north and west-facing sections of the retaining wall um up to 12-ft uh tall exposed. Um, when we had a routine inspection occurring um, by the engineering department, um, they essentially did a stop work for the retaining wall. So, it was not yet complete, but we really needed to come to this, you know, get get an application and a request to exceed what was allowed. It was determined that they were exceeding what staff could approve. Um, and so, what you are seeing in the raw form is not, you know, what it would have looked like if if we would have um, if they would have finished it before we, you know, were made aware of it. Um, so, I'm going to go through I have some slides to kind of walk through what um, the different heights are throughout the retaining wall, what the applicant is proposing to um, really soften the massing of this retaining wall. Um, and and um, I'll explain what it should have, you know, what what would have been allowed just for any single-family residence, you know, any routine building permit, over-the-counter permit, and then what the um, what the different review authorities, what the power is to um, to allow for increases in height. So, in our municipal code, um, the exposed space of a retaining wall for residential construction cannot exceed 4 ft in height for a front yard. So, any single-family residence, when staff reviews that permit, that is the the hard limit. Um, there are exceptions to this requirement that that are allowed also in the zoning code, um, where if you if the applicant is requesting for up to 2 ft um, additional height beyond the four, then the development review committee could approve that request. Um, and then if it is a request of more than 2 ft, then that gets kicked up to the planning commission. So, um, in this case, the exposed space of the as-built wall will be up to 12 ft tall in total um, at various sections of the overall wall plan, um, which is why we're here tonight to request the planning commission approve the retaining wall height modification. Um, one of the things I wanted to point out in the staff report is um, there there um, there's reference to, you know, development plan modification. This project did not need a development plan. Development plan modification is really just the vernacular that we're using to distinguish that this is a modification that the DRC was unable to approve and it elevated it to the planning commission. So, I don't want to want you to be confused that there was ever a development plan required. There was not. It is really just a modification that we're here tonight for. So, on this slide you can see the as-built retaining wall with some different heights noted and you see a blue line that was painted on the wall. The blue line is delineating delineating the top of the proposed two-to-one slope that will support landscaping which will be on the Almond Street frontage. And so, I've taken the site section and kind of annotated it to show where the property line is and you can see with the pink line, that's the property line and that's the approximately where the retaining wall is proposed. Where the green and it's not very bright on the screen, but where the green has been superimposed, this is in the right-of-way. Engineering has reviewed this and they're okay with the landscaping and the and the and the two-to-one slope being in the right-of-way. It will not be in the in the street area. So, there is an improvement sorry, an encroachment plan for the for the landscaping to then soften the massing on the that would be the north-facing section of the wall. So, then going back to the photo, you can see, you know, about where 6 ft of exposed face of wall would be and then as it as it goes further west, it will obviously slope down. It'll be more exposed wall. So, with that actually one more thing. So, then um on this on this these two pictures, on the left you see the more of the west-facing wall and then you see the interior I would call it the parapet side of this retaining wall. So, another reason that this wall was built taller was this is where there's two parking spaces for the ADU for the single-family residences and the ADUs. And so, while under construction, the construction crew you know, built this parapet wall to essentially prevent the cars when they're parked from rolling off the edge, you know, as you're approaching your curb stop. But uh uh Here we go. So, this is what? So, because the massing of the wall is so stark with, you know, 12 ft, especially on the west-facing side where we're not going to actually get any landscaping. There's not enough room with the footings. I think they're about 12 in from the property line. The applicant has been asked um by DRC and by staff to propose, you know, some um some change in material, some landscaping, you know, what is the plan for this to soften it, uh make it more palatable for um for this uh tiny area of Almond Street. And so, um as you can see, the applicant is proposing a combination of, you know, stucco in the wall for the for the base material, providing that like rock rock wainscoting with a um some faux uh column elements as well as the trim. Um in this rendering, you can see that they are also showing the landscaping along the north face of the wall, which will help soften. What I'm not seeing in the rendering is that the the soil, you know, sloping at a 2:1 ratio. So, just keep that in mind. Um they're also including um because of the slope of the site, the topography the constraints, they're including a curb to retain the soil. So, you can see that at the bottom right-hand corner where they're going to um connect that curb to the wall again to retain that landscaping. Um so, here's another rendering showing this would be the west-face facing um portion of the wall. So, this would be the full 12 ft um where you're seeing no landscaping. So, again, not feasible to install landscaping and this is the applicant's proposal to soften the massing, to break up the elevation. Um here's just a little bit closer um curb detail as discussed. Um and then again, just keeping um keeping in mind that there will actually be a 2:1 slope to um you know, throughout that the north face of the wall that will um help soften the massing as well. Um so, as mentioned, um there this is not a development plan, but of course that we call them development plan modifications, and so there are findings for the planning commission to make, um, should you approve this project. Um, these are all listed in the resolution. Um, I don't need to go through them, but in in short, um, you know, staff thinks that this is a really good, uh, um, alternative way of, you know, when a wall is built, they the wall meets all the findings. Um, one of the ones that stuck out at that the first DRC meetings, this went to DRC twice, was this is creating a sight distance issue. If you If we scroll back to the previous, um, slide that's showing the historical, um, the the topography of the site, it was well over 6 ft to begin with with, you know, a car backing out of the drive the adjacent driveway and the the slope on the west face the west facing slope. Um, it's not increasing, um, objectively increasing the, um, historical, um, uh, configuration of the site. It's a not It's not a through Almond Street is not a through road. There's about nine lots there, although there also are some multi-family units, um, on on Almond Street, it's not like a heavy traffic heavy trafficked area. So, I think that was probably the biggest one. Um, of course, we noticed the meeting and and have a made the put site notices, um, for the different DRC meetings and planning commission meetings, and we haven't had any opposition from the neighborhood. Um, we do have the applicant, Mr. Robert Potter, um, available to answer questions tonight, but in short, this is really a formality. Um, should the planning commission, um, approve it, it would, uh, allow the construction of the, um, four units to proceed. Um, so with Oh, I have one more slide on the conditions of approval. Um, really short list of conditions of approval, and I wanted to highlight number four because there were still some details to be ironed out with the, you know, materials of the retain the, um, the the rock element and the the trim cap. Um, we do have a condition that says prior to issuance of a construction permit that the planning division staff would review those final materials that were are proposed for the retaining wall. That would allow us with the construction permits to verify um you know, what they're proposing is matching what the planning commission would approve if you approve the request tonight. So, I did throw that in there um for additional review. Um your options are that pretty much the routine options. Um one would be to approve the resolution um as as proposed. Um number two would be to approve the project with modifications and amending the resolution. Um three would be if the um planning commission feels that you don't have enough information, you could uh send this back to DRC or for to staff for additional analysis. Option four would be to deny the project and adopt findings of denial. Um our recommendation is to approve the project based on the findings and subject to the conditions of approval that I had just shown you on the screen. Um and I believe yep, that's it. So, if you have any questions for staff or the applicant, we're able to answer. >> Great. Thanks for the presentation. Before we proceed, Commissioner Cobarruvias had something to say. >> Yeah, I just wanted to make it known um that the applicant and the uh Mr. Potter had reached out to me looking for some guidance on how to kind of attack this process. And I think I emailed you Darcy letting them know that they were going to reach out to you. So, sounds like you guys came up with a great solution. So, I just want to make that known that they had reached out to me a couple months ago and I directed them to Darcy uh to work this out and it sounds like they did. So, just want to make that clear. >> Great. Thank you. Uh would the applicant like to say anything? >> Um >> Come up to the podium, please. State your name. >> Uh my name Name's Robert Potter. I'm general contractor here in Paso Robles. Um general general contractor for that project and um I think the I don't really have any specific questions um other than uh just commenting uh getting through the process of this. We've you know, been working with Darren and Darcy closely with the DRC committee and trying to come up with um Um, an attractive solution to what the problem is. I felt like the the wall the stone is sort of an Adelaide sort of a cream colored local you know base type cladding on the wall so I thought it would kind of accent the neighborhood. Um. And that's that's really it. I appreciate your time and looking at our project and and I hope that we can come to a conclusion and get this project finished up. We're real close. The houses are and the ADUs are you know, we're 99% there. We just need to get our sewer and water connection and we can wrap this up and get some housing for some folks. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Um, you might want to hang by just in case >> any questions for me? >> Yeah, we're getting there. Yeah, okay, great. I'll bring it back to the commission for any questions. Commissioner Roden. >> Hi again. >> Hi Sharon. >> So I DRC. Uh, one of the things we talked about at DRC was giving the same sort of treatment on the west-facing interior wall. Um, as you do on the outside so there's there's that same visual. Um. It doesn't have to be on this but I I think you agreed with that. Is that correct? >> I did. >> Okay. Um. Does this have to come back to the planning commission as far as the materials or can they just work with staff? >> That's up to the planning commission. The way it's been written would be for Mr. Potter to submit his addendum construction permits. Planning staff typically reviews them. Right now that's how the condition was written. If you would like for the development review committee to see those final details, we would change that condition to say prior to issuance of permits DRC to review final details. >> I think I suggested at the DRC meeting and I may be wrong that this not come back to DRC and that staff review and um make that approval. >> I concur with that. >> Great. Commissioner Christensen. >> Thank you, Chairperson Marlow. Um I just have a couple clarification. Um I was on the original DRC and um I miss I I like the design. It looks really good. I think it was a good a solution to the difficult the difficulties of that 12-ft wall which I was wondering how you guys were going to solve this. So, I think you guys worked out a good project to make it look good. My only thing is for staff, there I know in our package there's I just want to bring this up so it's on the record. There is no curbing in this rendering, but the rendering you have has the curbing. I like that. Um also in our package the coloring of the stone in our package seems a little bit different. I like the coloring better on uh what you presented for display. So, if if if it were coming back to staff um I'll let you get back to that first. That stone coloring looks much more appealing. Now, the the stucco looks a little purplish there, but looks more gray in our site. So, I'm just kind of pointing that out, putting it on the record of some of the things that you know, I think you guys would be able to choose. I think you guys have good taste in that. But I I'm appreciate that the curbing is on that rendering and so if we approve this, then basically I'm approving what's on this proposed in your presentation, right? >> That is correct. There was a change at the last minute with the rendering. So, um in the in the staff report there were the old versions of the wall which showed a darker rock color. Um and then the I believe it's exhibit B or C with that is the project plans. We updated those to be this lighter color with the curbing detail, but you are correct. Some of the information in the staff report package showed the older version. So what Mr. Potter is wanting to proceed with is what you're seeing on the screen. >> Okay. And I'm sure there might be some variation with what you actually end up getting, but just wanted to note that. One other question I had when we were in the DRC meeting one of the issues that came up was the fact that that part of the street was going to have no parking allowed on that side of the street. Is that still going to be the case? >> I believe that's still the case. We do have our engine somebody with engineering on the line to answer that. Dante, can you fill in the gap on that one? >> Yeah, can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Darcy. Yeah, so yeah, that that portion of Almond's too narrow to support parking on the side of the road. So it it not we wouldn't have parking there. There's parking down the street on Almond Street. If it becomes an issue, we would potentially look at signage or red curb. But as of right now, I don't see the need for that as it currently stands. >> So Dante, if that's the case, so how does that get enforced or is is that something that would have to be monitored later? >> It gets monitored by by PD. If in our Stephanie in our law enforcement division, she looks into those kinds of cases if it's called in, um, then then we work together on getting something implemented such as signage or striping. But with the width of the road as it stands currently, I think Robbie could kind of chime in if I think it's around 20 ft. People typically, you know, recognize that see that, and and do not park because it it really constricts you down to a one vehicle uh lane, and and people typically see that and know that. So, right now, we don't want to encumber the city with additional striping and signage that we'd have to maintain in perpetuity unless it's out unless it's needed at the time, which we will install it. >> Okay. Um I'm not sure how you're going to enforce that, but if there's nothing there, if it's not painted or what have you, but I get what you're saying. It's a narrow street, so um I I I don't know if I agree >> If if it becomes an issue, we we can we can implement it. We we can put the curbing and uh the paint it red or add a sign uh no parking zone on that side of the street at that time. >> Okay. Thanks, Dante. I appreciate that. >> Thank you. >> because it You know how tenants can be. They're they're going to park where they want to park. So, thank you. That's all I have for right now. >> Great. Commissioner Roden. >> I I have to say sometimes that's a little harder uh done than said, Dante. We've had that issue up on Panorama for quite a while. Um if this is a a concern, we might want to address it now and make sure that that is red striped. >> Okay. Yeah, if that's something the Planning Commission wants me to put on the um yeah, we can I definitely add um red striped curb, red painted curb, or um a sign. Typically, is a a cheaper option um that says no parking, you know, on that side of the road. So, we can definitely implement that on the encroachment permit and plans for the applicant to do. >> So, um this is Commissioner Christensen again. Would that be a major difficulty to paint the curb red? >> No, it would It would not. >> I think if they were to do that, Dante, that might solve the problem right there to notate cuz God forbid if they ever needed to get another fire truck in there, it would really suck to have a car parked right there. But um yeah, that would be something I would recommend if the applicant didn't find it to be too difficult at all. >> Okay, great. >> Yeah, we'll definitely coordinate that with him. >> Makes sense. >> Thank you. >> That makes sense. Any other comments, questions from the commissioner? I just have one. I was curious it's it's a little tough to tell what's happening on the south side where the fence and the retaining wall meet. And I'm I know it's not necessarily part of this approval. I just I can't see it. What what is exactly hap- like how is that transition from wall to whatever that is defense? >> I when this is complete that wall and and the intersection from of the wall and the fence that you see in in the um display, they'll be connected. There will not be that lower uh wooden retaining wall that you're seeing there now. >> Okay, so the wall and then the wood fence will intersect and then there'll be some sort of grating or whatever behind it. >> That's correct. >> Great. That was my only question. Um I will open it up now for any public comment. Seeing none in the audience. Any callers? >> No callers. >> Okay, great. Bringing it back to the commission here for any more additional comments or a motion. Commissioner Christensen. >> Uh again, I just wanted to say good job. I think you guys had a tough job with that and staff did a great job making this move forward. Um so if there's no other comments, I'd like to make a motion that we approve this um draft resolution. >> Did you want to include the painted red curb in that motion? >> Yes, that's exactly what I was going to say. So thank you. >> Yeah, [laughter] awesome. Okay, got it. >> Um having the uh the applicant paint that curb uh red for no parking. And >> A first by Christensen, Commissioner O'Neil. >> I'll second. >> Second by O'Neil. Uh roll call, please. >> Commissioner Christensen. >> Aye. >> Commissioner O'Neil. >> Commissioner Roden. >> Aye. >> Commissioner Covarrubias. >> And Chairperson Marlow. >> Aye. >> Passes 5-0. >> Great. Thank you. Thank you, Darcy. Good job. Okay, we are moving on to H, discussion items. Um or I guess I consent calendar. Uh anyone have any comments or questions regarding planning commission minutes or DRC minutes? Commissioner O'Neil. >> I move approval of the consent calendar. >> Uh I got a motion by O'Neil. >> I'll second. >> Second by Christensen for the approval of the consent calendar. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner O'Neil. >> Aye. >> Was it Commissioner Christensen? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Christensen. >> Aye. >> Commissioner Roden. >> Commissioner Covarrubias. >> Aye. >> Chairperson Marlow. >> Great. Uh item J, other reports. Darren, any housing constraints and opportunity HCOC zoning code update report? >> There are none at this time. >> None and DRC rotation committee schedule, any comments, concerns, questions, hopes, dreams, wishes? >> I will not be here for the first Monday of July. Looks like Koehler's taking your >> Yeah, so I have Coke alert down for the Is that the 6th? >> 6th. >> Thank you. Perfect. And I will be filling in for Roden on 629. Great. Go back up the top here. Moving on item K planning commissioner comments. >> I just like to say something real quick. >> I just wanted to say thank you to staff that that project on Almond was I was wondering how they were going to solve that to be honest with you because it was such a tall ugly looking wall, but I wanted to give you guys kudos. That was a great job to keep that project moving forward. So thank you. >> All right. L staff comments. >> See we've got uh the planning commissioner for the commission schedule for July. So there is a meeting on the 14th which would be the next planning commission meeting. Then there's not a second meeting in July for planning commission. So no meeting on the 28th. So [clears throat] >> It's been slow. We're going to pick up here. >> We don't have anything going on here. >> They are on vacation. >> We've [clears throat] got some projects again on the horizon, but they they are they will be coming. I mean you will have your homework to do once they hit, but it's looking like later August, September. >> It's going to be an easy chair year. >> [laughter] >> Okay, if there's no other comments item M adjournment. Can I get a motion to adjourn? >> So moved. >> So moved. All in favor? >> I. >> Right. Thanks. >> I don't know. Thanks. >> I don't know.

Test. Test. One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Hello. Can you hear me? >> Uh, yes I can. >> Okay, great. >> Hi, it's Eric Barner. >> Yeah, >> that's way too Eric, can you try talking again? >> I'm sorry, what? >> Can you just try talking again? We're trying to adjust the volume. >> Okay. Yes. Hi, it's Eric Garner from Best Busting Creger. >> Do you want me to keep talking to set the volume or are you okay? Uh, stand by for just a second. >> Sure. >> Eric, go ahead and try again. >> Okay. Testing one, two, three. Testing. >> That's perfect. Thank you. >> Sure. Good afternoon everyone. It's Tuesday, June 16th, 5:15 and we are beginning our city council meeting for today. And we'll begin with uh roll call. >> Council member Bosch. Council member Bosch is not present. Council member Beiel >> present. >> Council member Gregory >> here. >> Council member Strong >> present. >> Mayor Hammond >> here. Uh we will have one close session item tonight. Conference with legal counsel and existing litigation. And we'll let uh Elizabeth Hall tell us what we're going to be talking about. >> There we go. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We are going into close session on just one item. It's conference with legal counsel regarding existing litigation pursuant to government code section 549 56.91. and it is the case of Steinbeck Vineyards number one LLC versus the county of San Los Aispo at all and that's what we'll be talking about. >> Very good. Thank you, Elizabeth. We'll open up then to public comment regarding this close session item. Anyone on in the room? No. Anyone online, Mary? >> No, sir. >> Okay, we'll go ahead and um adjourn to close session and reconvene at 6 pm open session. Good evening everyone. It's Pastor It's uh Tuesday, June 16th, 6 PM, and this is our city council meeting for this evening. And we're going to go ahead and reconvene at 6 pm to open session. We'll begin with the flag salute led by city manager Huat and remain standing for our invocation by Rabbi Gordon. >> With me please to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Almighty God, we ask you that you bless our mayor, council members, and all those who serve our city with wisdom, strength, and compassion, and they lead with integrity, listen with understanding, and work for the wellbeing of every individual and family throughout the city of Hero. May they be guided by your hands making decisions that serve the citizens of capital now and in the future. And may they encourage spirit of cooperation, respect and peace among all who call the city home. Jewish tradition teaches us seven universal laws given to human rights by God through Noah after the great flood, including the instruction to foster a moral society governed by law, ensuring human rights and freedom for all. These laws also include the obligation to serve God and God alone to respect the sanctity of his holy name and the prohibition against murder, theft, adultery and cruelty to creatures. This coming Thursday around the world will mark Giml the third day of a day connected to the life and legacy of Rabbi of blessed memory leader of the worldwide movement whose teaching continues to inspire millions around the world. The taught that every person possesses the ability and responsibility to bring more life, goodness, and purpose into the world and that even a single act of kindness to change the course of history for the better. May that awareness inspire all of each within our own sphere of influence to see opportunities to increase an act of goodness and kindness, uplifting others and strengthening our community. Finally, we ask your blessings upon our dedicated city employees whose daily efforts often go unseen and upon your families who share the burdens and sacrifices of public service. Bless all who are gathered here today and all the residents of Pastor of Health, peace and prosperity. May we always remain mindful of how fortunate fortunate we are to live in this beautiful city surrounded by good people and served by devoted public service. We pray for peace and safety in our community across our nation in the holy land of Israel and throughout the entire world and the words of the blessing. May God bless you and protect you. May God shine his face upon you and be gracious to you. May God lift his face toward you and grant you peace. May this meeting and the work accomplished here today bring blessings and hope to all amen. >> Amen. And Mary, will you go ahead and call roll call, please? >> Council member Bosch, >> here. >> Council member Beiel, >> Council member Gregory, >> here. >> Council member Strong, >> Mayor Hammond, >> here. >> Next, staff introduction beginning on my right. >> Mary Spawnhols, deputy city clerk, joined by Jessica Ferguson, permit technician. >> Warren Fr, community development director. Wendy Wayne, outside council. >> Go ahead, David. Chris Huat, city manager. >> Elizabeth Hall, city attorney. >> Okay. Thank you. Next, we have report out from close session. Attorney Elizabeth Hall. Can you let us know what we talked about? >> Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. The council uh convened earlier convened earlier today uh and went into close session on conference with legal counsel regarding existing litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9D1. The name of the case is Steinbeck Vineyards number one LLC at all versus county of St. Louis Abyispo at all and there is no reportable action. >> Thank you Lu. Uh next we have three presentations. We'll begin with Junth. Then we have California Midstate Fair update and then the Fourth of July uh event preview. So if I could have Robin Johnson from the Sanos Visible NAACP come join me, please. Okay. proclamation declaring the third Saturday in June as Junth day in the city of Pastor Robels. Whereas since 1865, the American celebration known as Junth has historically been observed and the end of the institution of slavery in our great nation. And whereas Junth embodies the indomitable human spirit of the past, the present, and all time. And whereas the celebration of Junth gives all of us the opportunity to rededicate ourselves to the true American spirit. And whereas we are citizens who wish to secure the blessings of freedom, justice, and equality for all in this great nation of ours. Whereas June 19th, 2026 is Junth day in observance of a federal holiday in the United States commemorating the end of slavery. Now therefore, let it be resolved that I, John Hammond, by virtue of the authority of Estimu uh and as mayor and speaking on behalf of the entire city council do hereby proclaim the third Saturday in June 2026 in the city of Pastor Robels as Junth day. Tobin, you like to say something? You bet. Mayor, >> Mr. Mayor, Council, um, my name is Tobin Johnson. As I mentioned, uh, last time I was before you, I was the president of the NACP slow. I am now the communications director, but I wanted to thank you all for this proclamation, as well as invite you to two amazing events this weekend. Uh, the first one being at uh, downtown City Park uh, here in Paso at 100 p.m. And then in slow, we'll be celebrating at Mission Plaza from 11 to 4:30. So, please come out and support these events. This is a lot of history uh that we want to make sure we cherish uh that history and support the cause. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mayor. Moving on. Uh You're here. >> California Midstate Fair update. Colleen text me just before I should tell everybody. You text me because you were down at the other other location. Yeah, >> that's how my life goes right now. I went to City Hall and then was like, "Oh, shoot. They moved." >> Welcome. >> They're coming. >> And of course, gave myself plenty of time to make that in time. But thank you all for allowing me to come speak today. I really have two parts of a presentation and I'll start with the business side of things since it's not as sexy or exciting. Um, the Pastoral Event Center is one of the city's largest tourism generators operating as a year-round economic engine while the California Midstate Fair serves as a major summer economic accelerator that drives visitation, employment, and spending throughout the region. The event center is widely recognized as the home of the California Midstate Fair, but its impact extends far beyond the fair's 12-day run each summer. The facility offers or I'm sorry, this facility operates year round, serving as a regional destination that attracts visitors, supports local businesses, generates employment opportunities, and contributes to tourism related tax revenues. Throughout the year, the event center hosts approximately 55 interm events with an average attendance of 1,250 guests per event. We're proud to provide a world-class venue for events that showcase the industries that define our region: agriculture, hospitality, tourism, and western heritage. events that celebrate our community's identity while generating significant economic activity outside the fairgrounds such as Firestone Walker Invitational Beer Fest, Passover's Wine Fest and Calpali's Western Bonanza, just to name a few of our local ones. Some of the largest events of their kind in the world call the Passover Event Center home and we have worked hard to improve our grounds year over year after year. These visitors contribute, excuse me, contribute directly to the local economy by utilizing hotels, restaurants, retail establishments, gas station, wineries, and other tourism related businesses. The resulting visitor spending generates economic activity that benefits businesses throughout the community while contributing to toot and sales tax revenues. The California Midstate Fair, of course, serves as the event cent's largest economic driver and one of the region's most significant tourism events. During the 12-day period, the fair welcomes around 370 to 400,000 guests. The event consistently cons coincides with some of the highest hotel occupancy levels experienced throughout the year and generates substantial demand for lodging, dining, transportation, and retail services throughout Pasroals and neighboring communities. And I will tell you that my daughter supports all the downtown businesses wanting a new outfit every night for fair. >> In addition to attracting visitors, the fair supports local employment through seasonal hiring and provides opportunities for local businesses to engage directly with hundreds of thousands of consumers. More than a 100 local sponsors annually partner with the fair, reflecting the business community's recognition of the fair's economic and community value. The fair also supports youth, agg, and local nonprofit programs. Over 3.1 million was generated last at last year's junior livestock auction. 235,000 at the industrial arts program with easily 90% of the buyers being local men, women, and businesses. In 2025, the California Midstate Fair donated $50,000 to participating nonprofit organizations including 4 groups, youth sports teams, schools, and churches selling our who sold our carnival wristbands. Taken together, the annual fair and year-round interm continuous cycle of economic activity. interterm event sustains visitation and commerce throughout the year while the fair serves as a major summer accelerator that significantly increases regional visibility as well as being a time-honored tradition. As communities across California compete for visitors, tourism res revenue, and economic investment, the Passover's event center remains one of the city's most important economic assets. Its ability to attract visitors, generate overnight stays, support local businesses, create jobs, and showcase Passover to new audiences provides measurable benefits that extend well beyond the facility itself. And now for the fun part, part two. That's what's happening come 29 days, just in case you're wondering. Let's talk the fast approaching 2026 California Midstate Fair. Oh, that's me. That's okay. It's all good. This year we'll be celebrating our 80th fair taken into account in the 40s when we didn't have it for um World War II and then of course 2020 and then we had a modified fair. So we're at our 80th fair and our theme this year is back to the 80s and staff is taking this to a whole new level. This year we'll have theme days. All 12 days there will be dress up themes for our patrons to come. Totally tubular summer, rhinestone cowboy, or born in the USA with staff handing out on spite on site spot prizes for the best dressed. And of course, our mullet contest is Tuesday, July 21st. So start I mean you could do it. I' I'd love to see it. Um, we have our cattleman's day, another timehonored traditions, Thursday, July 16th, honoring honoring this year's Slow County Cattleman, cattlewoman, and agriculturalist of the year. And then check out their window displays. Do I need to talk louder? >> Check out the window displays in Frontier Town that explains the rich history of these organizations in our county. Friday, July 17th, we'll be honoring this year's top wine maker, wine great grower, and wine ind industry persons of the year, as well as honoring the Central Coast Wine Competition's winery of the year. We have additional events within our event, Get Crafty, where mixologists combine local farm-totable products and local crafts into a tasty competition. our Central Coast Wine Competition gold medal wine tasting where you can sample the many wines that won gold medals or double gold medals during the Central Coast Wine Competition. Industrial Arts will be back showcasing high school students across the county who have drafted projects from welding to woodworking and of course our exhibits building showcasing the best of the county what they have to offer in sewing, art, photography, floor culture and so much more. Kids Day on the farm where kids can experience a farming demonstration, participate in planting, watering, harvesting, and enjoying the fruits of their labor with literal fruit. Horse show. We have new um events this year. We have a ladies open breakaway and we have a way uh trails course. Then of course the return of farmers Olympics, our sorting, our country rodeo and then you have our livestock area where 4 and FFA exhibitors showcase their livestock to see who will take grand champion shopping. Dining this year a fun dining experience is um Old West cinnamon roll is having a tiramisu cinnamon roll. Classic cinnamon rolls drizzled with a fresh coffee, covered in rich espresso infused cream cheese frosting, and topped with a sprinkle of chocolate chips and a dash of cocoa powder. So, if the sugar didn't keep you awake, the coffee will. And if the day-to-day activities aren't enough, we're offering waves to say. Farm Supply admission is on sale now, June 8th to July 14th. Discounted daily admission tickets where you can get an adult admission ticket for $11.50 50s. Normally at the gate, if you wait, it's $15. The first day, our first fair day, which is July 15th, it's free carnival ride days, but you can buy prior to this to the fair, you can buy wristbands that are good any one day at the fair, and they're on sale for $35 through numerous nonprofit organizations, and they get a portion of that back. new this year. Also, we understand that the econ economy is hard for families and it's a lot to spend and we have a lot of station dollars here, but we try we're trying to help people a little bit so that they can come and enjoy. And we have a new happy hour. So, every Monday through Thursday from 4:00 to 5:00 and every Friday, Saturday, Sunday from noon to 2, there will be a variety of items available for only $5 during that time. And every single vendor is participating, whether it's a corn dog, lemonade, deep fried, something will have something from every vendor. And then to stick with the 80s theme, we have a really a little small roller rink that we'll be having that's free to all the patrons. They paid to get in and then you can go and skate around just like Skatemore, the skate ranch if you're that old. And then of course we have six stages of live entertainment. Our fort frontier starts with the Miss California Midstate Fair pageant. Founded in 1969 as the maid of St. Louis Bispo County and evolved to a modern scholarship competition that empowers young women to embody the heart of the fair and the pasobals and the central coast community. Then we'll have local artists High Voltage, Mickey Dolan's another local artist Sasha Carlson, null Torres, John Hollier and the Rivier, the Revery, another local artist, Steven Styles, Shannonoa, Something Out West, which is Tom Hank's son for anybody who knows, Low Cash, Queens Reich, and Herardo, Colonel Eljerry. Harry and of course on the main stage first ever prefair concert should be super fun and it is a lot of logistics going into it but we have Chris Stapleton on the 14th of July. Then to kick off our concert series for Fair, Old Dominion, Ice Cube, Laney Wilson, Eric Church, Phil Wickham, Meade Death, Howard Jones with Modern English, English Beat and Wang Chung, Willie Nelson, Treaty Oak Revival, Three Dog Night Ambrosia, and then you can come and see our local cowboys and cowg girls compete under the stadium lights in our 805 country rodeo finals. To round out the e the fair, we have a good oldfashioned tractor tractor pull on the last night. For six generations, 80 fairs, families have made memories at the California Midstate Fair. Grandparents who went to exhibited livestock now watch their grandchildren in the show ring. Parents who attended concerts for the first time are taking their kids to a concert for the first time. And they're all experiencing the same traditions. The fair is the one of the few places where our entire community comes together, urban and rural, young and old, longtime residents, and first-time visitors. We hope you're able to come and enjoy these traditions as well as make some new ones. So, thank you for having me today. Do you have any questions? >> Yeah, Colleen, I I it looks like to me we're up a couple days on the month. We're starting a little sooner than we did last year, it looks like. Is that >> Yes. So, that's just the way the calendar falls. >> Um, we had the choice to be the 15th or the next week. We try and keep it within the month because it helps with payroll and paperwork and all that fun stuff. >> Keep out of the heat hopefully too. Chris, >> hi Colleen. >> Hi. >> Um, great presentation. Thank you. Uh, great lineup. Uh, thank you. >> All for all the concerts and on both stages, all three stages, I guess. Um, normally we get a night off, but I don't think we get a night off this year. No. >> Um, I missed uh what the industrial arts auction raised last year. How much was that? >> 235,000. >> Awesome. And should be able to do that again this year. >> Yes. Hope so. >> It's a great great part of the fair. So, >> it is. And that's Thursday, the first Thursday of the fair. So, that's the 16th. 16th. And previews at 11:00. Uh, auctions at 12. Auction and awards start at 12. and then goes right into cattleman's day that evening. >> It's a great day to be at the fair. >> Thanks. Best of luck. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> Uh, thank you, Colleen. >> Thank you. >> Doing this and um Oh, we want to have a question. Go ahead. >> Um, Linda George, 3126 Spring Street. Where are you? >> I am an 80s kid. >> So, I didn't hear um MTV >> VJ. And are there discounts if we graduated in 80s? >> There is a discount at Farm Supply. It's $11.50. So there you go. Um, no, but there will be there might be some popup things that happen at the fair. We're we've still got some fun fun things planned. >> Okay. Colleen Borhas, CEO, California Midstate Fair. Thank you, Colleen. Next presentation we have is uh Fourth of July event preview. An Helica 14, you have that for us. Good evening, city council. The community services department is excited to be taking the lead role in planning this year's Fourth of July. However, I have the honor of introducing Linda Plesia, who is our Fourth of July committee chair this year to actually provide the update. So, please welcome Linda Plesia. >> Hi, Linda. Feeling pretty special about those claps. Thanks. Um, great. We've got the presentation up. Good evening, mayor and council members. I'm Linda Plesia, recreation services manager, and I have the privilege of coordinating this year's Fourth of July celebration at Barney Schwarz Park. As our nation marks its 250th anniversary, we're looking forward to bringing the community together for an evening of patriotism, family fun, and celebration. Played. Here we go. An event of this size doesn't happen without a tremendous team effort. Since February, our planning committees have been working behind the scenes to coordinate every detail and create a memorable celebration worthy of this historic milestone. Staff from seven city departments have collaborated to develop and implement an extensive event plan ensuring that everything from public safety to parking, entertainment, and guest services is ready for a safe and successful celebration. The stage comes alive at 5:30 with Garden Party followed by Stepping Out at 700 p.m. At 900 p.m. will pause to honor our country with the national anthem performed by rising country artist and seventh generations Shanden native Callie Twistleman before launching into the spectacular fireworks show. The free family fun zone returns to field one and offers something for everyone, including inflatable obstacle courses and slides, water games, cornhole, axe throwing, they're silicone, bright day big blocks, and the new Paso Play on Wheels wreck band. It's a great place for families to make memories while celebrating 250 years of American history. Community volunteers are the heart of the event. We have filled nearly all 60 volunteer shifts thanks to the generosity of local residents, the police department's community volunteer patrol, and community emergency response team volunteers. Their support helps us provide a safe, welcoming, and enjoyable experience for thousands of attendees. We're incredibly grateful to our 19 local business sponsors who have contributed approximately $95,000 in cash and inind support for this year's event. Their partnership helps ensure this cherished cherished community tradition remains free for everyone and allows us to celebrate America's 250th birthday in a truly special way. As a thank you for their support, sponsors are invited to enjoy a catered barbecue, complimentary refreshments throughout the evening, and access to a reserved viewing area for one of the best seats in the park when the fireworks begin. On behalf of the event committee and our many partners, thank you for your continued support of this event. We look forward to welcoming thousands of residents and visitors to Barney Schwarz Park as we celebrate our nation's 250th anniversary together. I'd be happy to answer any questions. >> Real quick question on it. Uh there Linda. Last year we had a firework total length of about 20 25 minutes. Wasn't is that about what we're thinking about next this time or >> we ordered the same length of show that we had last year? >> That's what I thought. Okay. >> It was pretty spectacular. Not a very short one. That's what I was wondering. Yeah. Okay. Any other questions from Linda? >> Very good. Thank you for the pres. >> Thank you. >> Looking forward to that and also all the volunteers that stepped up to help this all happen. I really appreciate that. Uh moving on, we have general public comments. Uh this is the time that the public may address the council on items within its purview but not scheduled on tonight's agenda. Council or staff may briefly respond to statements or questions posed by the public. Please fill out a speaker card and give it to the city clerk on before you plan to speak. You'll have three minutes. Um those people wishing to speak on any item scheduled on tonight's agenda will be given the opportunity to do so at the time the item is being considered. Anyone in public wish to make a public comment, come forward. >> Welcome. >> Hi, Linda George, 3126 Spring Street. Um, what a wild weekend. Um, I just wanted to bring to your guys's attention one more time because I think we're getting really close there. The Fox Theater, they have that board so pulled out and we have no squatter protection if somebody gets in there. Um each time I drive by, I think the homeless are working on that board. So once they get in it, it's going to be a real big issue. Um I went to Safety Fast and it was really cool. This year I actually got to see up close the um K-9 um demonstration and I would never want to be on that end of being tackled by one of those dogs. It was really It was really kind of scary to be honest. Um, so I don't have it's been a long weekend for me, but I just wanted to say that I got a lot of pictures. I sent them to Chief Nord. I thought that the Safety Fest is like one of the best festivals we have downtown because, you know, I'm the queen of safety. So, I hope it continues. Um, and then the other thing that Dale forgets to say every meeting is and got brought back up to me, when are we going to find out about the paid parking money? If we're ever going to get paid back. Um, you guys have gotten away for almost two years about sweeping it under the carpet, hoping that one of us would not forget or or maybe forget, I should say. Um, but somewhere along the line that needs to be attended to because I'm three parking tickets in and I'd like my money back. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else in public comment? Do we have anyone online, Mary? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Go ahead and then u move on then to agenda items to be deferred. Mr. Hua, do we have any of that? >> Mayor, no items, excuse me, no items for deferral this evening. >> Very good. U then we'll move on to overview of the items on consent calendar. Do we have one through eight tonight? >> Yes. Thank you, mayor. Yes, as you mentioned, eight items on the consent calendar tonight. The first is the approval of the meeting minutes for the June 2nd, 2026 regular city council meeting. The next is the receipt of advisory body minutes. Uh this is for the airport commission uh for several meetings dating back to April of last year, then August of last year, October of last year, December of last year, and then finally February of this year. Item number three is the receipt of the warrant register. Uh since the last time we met, the city has made $2.8 million uh worth of payments. I'll cover those that exceed $100,000 or more, which I believe there are five. Uh the first is a payment to Granite Construction Company. Uh this is related to design the design contract for the South Vine Street Bridge in the amount of $449,197. Uh next is a payment to Mainline Engineering. Uh this is for the Riverside Capitol Hill Almond uh area utility upgrades out of the water fund in the amount of $34,973.75. Next is a payment made to US Bank. Uh this is related to some wastewater revenue bonds that were issued in 2012 and this is the the debt payment on those out of the wastewater fund in the amount of $420,97865. Uh next is a payment to JJ Fischer Construction. This is related to the construction contract associated with the pickle ball court complex at Sherwood Park in the amount of $105,862. And then finally, a payment to the county animal services division. This is related to the quarter 4 payment for animal control services that the county provides to the city in the amount of $122,327.50. Moving back to the consent calendar, item four is the appointment of Margaret Holstein to fill a role a spot on the supplemental sales tax oversight committee. Number five is declaration of certain property as surplus and approval of disposal. This isn't real property. This is uh vehicles and and uh computers and such. Item number six is the approval of a professional services agreement with community action partnership of St. Louis Abyispo County for senior center senior center operating services. Uh the city previously contracted for these services and the prior operator was no longer able to provide services. city staff has been uh running the senior center on a day-to-day basis for the last several months as we issued an RFP and went through this process. Uh this contract is budgeted for in next year's budget. Uh item number seven is related to Commerce Way, which is of course a longtime road repair project uh that has been coming. Uh this is the denial of a bid protest by Caesar Construction and then an approval of a resolution that authorizes the construction contract to West Rock Engineering uh for those road repairs on Commerce Way. And then finally on the consent calendar tonight, number eight is the approval uh to add an arborist, Seth Seth Wilkkey, to the city's certified arborist list. And with that, mayor, we're happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you, Chris. Uh questions of the council on anything here we have going on? Anybody wish to pull anything? >> Okay. Open up then the public. Anybody wishing to have any questions on the consent calendar, please come forward. >> Dale Augustine, I just want to thank you for putting Margaret Holing on the uh oversight committee. She has stepped up and been the president of Main Street since uh Norma Moy passed away and she's doing an excellent job in that position. Thank you. >> Okay. Anyone else? Okay. Do we have any money online, Mary? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Bring it back council for uh direction and or action. >> Tim Gregory. I move that we approve consent agendas items one through eight. >> Second >> motion by Gregory, second by be discussion. >> Okay, we'll call for the question Mary. >> Council member Gregory >> I. >> Council member Beal >> Council member Bosch >> I. >> Council member Strong >> Mayor Hammond >> I. >> Motion passes unanimously. >> Good. Thank you. Moving on to public hearings. We'll open up public hearings and we have the first one is approval of resolution confirming the existence of weeds and noxious growth creating a potential fire hazard and ordering their abatement. Paul Patty, you have that for us. >> Good evening, Mayor Hammond, members of city council and city staff. Paul Patty, battalion, chief fire marshall for the city of Pastor Robels. The 2026 hazardous fuels outlook. Pass robbles experienced a significant increase in rainfall this year. We recorded 16.36 inches of rainfall compared to 9.47 in last year and exceeded our historic annual average since records began in 1942. While increased rainfall promotes healthy vegetation growth, the estab the absence of periodic rain during the summer months causes grasses and weeds to dry rapidly, creating hazardous fuel conditions. The city of Pasarobels takes a proactive approach to reducing these fire hazards. In 2018, the city adopted an ordinance establishing minimum requirements for the baitment of hazardous weeds, fuels, and rubbish. Historically, vegetation fires within the city increase in both frequency and size between July and November. Over the past 5 years, the city has experienced a significant reduction in vegetation fires. This reduction reflects the success of our weed abatement program and Selenus River vegetation management and fuels mitigation efforts. Those would be the goats and sheep that are in there. 2026 hazardous fuels abatement inspections. The city of Pasar Robels contains approximately 11,900 parcels. All parcels were inspected for compliance with our ordinance the second week of May. Initial inspections identified 662 non-compliant properties. Property owners found to be in violation were mailed notices to the address of record maintained by the county assessor. Follow-up inspections conducted during the last week in May and first week of June reduced that number of non-compliant properties from 662 to 195. Following the city council's June 4th, 2026 adoption of a resolution declaring certain properties to be public nuisance due to hazardous fuels and/or refuse, a second notice was mailed to affected property owners and properties were physically posted with a notice of hearing for today's public hearing. Inspections have continued over the past two weeks with the number of non-compliant properties decreasing daily as we work towards our goal of full compliance before July 1st. As of this morning, the number of properties listed in exhibit A has further been reduced to 23 properties that remain in violation of ordinance 1068NS. I have an updated exhibit A for submission to the city clerk and inclusion in the city record. Tonight, staff requests that the remaining properties identified in exhibit A be declared public nuisances, thereby authorizing the fire chief to proceed with abatement of hazardous fuels and/or refues in accordance with ordinance number 1068 NS. End of report. >> Thank you, Paul. Questions of uh Paul Patty? >> Okay. Um, anybody out there wishing to come forward? Please come forward. Welcome. >> You're public comment. You bet. >> I don't usually speak in public, so >> state your name, ma'am. >> I'm Tony Shireen. I have one of the properties stated 88 Mountain Springs Road. I have pictures of my property as well. And I've also contacted the fire department and the city and I think the fire chief in reference to my property. When I got the first notice on my property, they stated first notice was a generic notice that they sent to everybody. And I have pictures of this generic notice. Okay. It doesn't specify what is wrong with my property per se. And I I understand they have tons to send out. So I I understand that. Okay. But it doesn't help me to fix my issue if I don't know what the issue is. Okay. So I contacted and I got somebody to look up what the report was on my property and they said it was some weeds that were under some trees in my backyard. Those weeds were cleaned up. I knew nothing else other than that's what I was told. Okay. I left and went to Texas for nine days. Came back and I have another notice on my property. Okay. So, my point in doing this is there is a huge covert runs down Mountain Springs Road. At the end of Mountain Springs Road where you go up Almond Springs Road, there's a concrete area for that culvert. From that point down, there is rock to hold the culvert together. There is no concrete in that area at all. The weeds are overgrown. The weeds are taking over that whole culvert. The whole culvert is eroding all the way down. Anytime we get bad rains, it erodess even more. It's eroding right up to the road and right up to the side of my property. There's no weed abatement for that cover. It was done last year per my son and I calling and asking who is in control of this culvert because I don't know who to contact. Somebody came out, they cleaned the culvert to a certain point and stopped. They didn't go to the end of the cover where the fire hydrant is and where the concrete ends. So, none of that was cleaned out. It was just in front of my house. So, I have pictures to show you and maybe somebody can explain to me what they want me to clean up on my property. If you look at the pictures or somebody looks at the pictures and says, "Hey, this is what you need to clean up." My property when I moved into it in in 2017 18 was nothing but coyote bush everywhere from the retaining wall all the way around 360 was coyote bush. I did spider crawl throughout that whole property. cut the coyote coyote bush with loppers by myself all the way doing a ridge line to cover that mountain. That mountain goes up a slope like this, but I cut it at the very top of the slope. I had somebody inspect it from the fire department and said, "Where is the ridge line? Where do I stop?" I have to have visitation on that hillside. Okay, >> you can already see it coming down from the water seepage. So, I can't maintain the vegetation and still not have it fall into my yard. So, I need help trying to figure out where my citation is coming from, how to correct my citation, and if somebody is going to step in. I talked to somebody said it's on the schedule to come out and fix the culvert for July August. That doesn't stop my citations. >> Okay. What what we're going to do is uh have u fire chief or fire marshall Patty get a hold of you probably maybe give a card and we can probably do one-on-one to make sure you understand what needs to be done. And I'm assuming that Culver is in the city's rightway or >> they came out and fixed it before >> because I know Mountain Springs is county. Paul, maybe we can take a look at that, too. So, anyway, we'll definitely get you fixed and um >> um they don't have my phone number on that card. >> Paul's going to give you his card. Do you have a card or something? Yeah, make contact with you afterwards. Thank you, ma'am. >> Thank you. >> I got another notice, so definitely call me and I'll explain. >> Okay. Anyone else uh in the audience? Seeing none, anyone online? >> No, sir. >> Okay. We'll go ahead and bring it back then to council for direction on item one, public hearing. >> Mayor Hammond. >> Prot Gregory. I move we approve resolution 26XXX confirming the existence of public nuisance described in exhibit A and ordering the abatement of weeds and noxious growth to abate the nuisance. >> Second motion by Gregory, second by Strong. Discussion. Okay. Call for the question. >> Council member Gregory. >> I. >> Council member Strong. >> Council member Bosch. >> I. >> Council member Beal. >> Hi. >> Mayor Hammond. I >> motion passes unanimously. >> All right. Thank you, Paul. >> Uh moving on, we have public hearing and adoption of 2025 urban water management plan and readoption of the water shortage contingency plan. And Christopher's not here, but we have our water manager or water individual. >> Good evening, mayor. Um members of the council and members of the public, my name is Robert Deany. I'm the water utility manager um for the city of Paso. Um joining me online is Christopher Akal. He's the utilities director. He's home recovering from surgery. He's here in spirit. Um so tonight we're presenting the city's 2025 urban water master plan for adoption. Next slide. Um item includes four attachments. One is the 2025 resolution for the uh water shortage uh contingency plan adoption. I'll speak a little bit more about why that's in there in a minute. Um next is the resolution for the adoption of the urban water management plan. Uh the actual attach the actual plan itself. And then there are a few revisions that we included um that arose after we published it for public comment. Next slide. So both the the current urban water master plan and the uh this the shortage contingency plan were adopted in 2021. Um preparation of the update to the water management plan uh began early this year and we published a public draft on May 15th. Next slide. Um the purpose of the urban uh water management plan, it's a comprehensive plan planning document. Um all California water suppliers need to um update it every 5 years. Um while it fulfills a a regulatory uh requirement, it also serves as a long range sort of planning document and roadmap for managing and protecting our water resources over the next 20 years and beyond. Next slide. So, the plan documents current and projected water supplies, evaluates future water demands, outlines conservation and demand management strategies, and demonstrates how the city will continue to provide reliable water um into the future for both normal and drought conditions. Um, so urban water management plan also includes the city's water shortage contingency plan. It's included as appendix C in the plan itself. Um, it's also being presented for you here uh for readoption. Staff reviewed the shortage contingency plan um from from 2020 um and determined that it remains current. it continues to fulfill um all regional needs and applicable state regulations and so therefore no significant changes are required. So we're adopting it adopting it without changes. Um so the preparation of this plan um has been a collaborative effort between the city staff and our consulting team. At this time I would like to introduce Moren Riley from Todd Groundwater who's going to provide a more detailed overview of the plan. Welcome, Moren. >> Hi. >> As Robert mentioned, my name is Moren Riley. I'm principal engineer with Todd Groundwater, and we helped prepare the urban water management plan for 2025. We also helped the 2020 urban water management plan. I'm joined with my team, Ardan Wells and Kate White, and we we're here today to present the urban water management plan and water shortage contingency plan. Oh, next slide. The basics of an urban water management plan is to look at the water demand, your water supply sources, and to see if they match. We also look at water supply reliability in terms of climate change, drought, and other natural disasters. And as Robert said, we have the water shortage contingency plan to look at just that. What happens in case water supply isn't sufficient? What's the backup plan? The 2025 urban water management plan remains very similar to the 2020. It's just an opportunity to update every five years and this year the requirements were very similar to the last period. The urban water management plan is prescribed by DWR, the Department of Water Resources. It's a state level organization and we have to update it every five years. The plan looks out 20 years into the future to make sure that you have adequate supply for growing demand. And it also tracks a mandated 20% reduction that we set back in the 2010 urban water management plan and to make sure that the water use is sufficient and adequate within the city. It documents water supplies planned for existing and future demands and also looks at short-term and long-term resource planning. A brief overview of units. We talk about a lot of different units in water. The first one is gallons per per capita per day. This is water use per person per day. We look at the treated water delivered to the entire city over the course of a year. And then we divide by the total service area population and the number of days in a year. So you'll hear me mention gallons per capita per day. That's just the water use of a person for a day. acre foot is what's commonly used in water supply. That represents 326,000 gallons or basically filling a 1 acre property with 1 foot of water. And to give that in perspective, a single family home here uses about a third. So a third of an acre foot per year for a single family home for water demand. Water demand looks at the baseline and target. As I mentioned, there was a special legislation about water supply targets, water demand targets in 2010. And we looked at the baseline. What is the city currently using? And we look at a period 1999 to 2008 to see what was the starting point. Back then, it was 241 gallons per person per day. And over the course of each urban water management plan, there's been different targets to ratchet down that use to get to that 20% reduction by 2020 and holding that steady onward. In 2015, you met it very well. The interim target was 217 gallons per capita per day and the actual water use was 151. In 2020, the target then was 193 gallons per capita per day. And the 2020 usage was 164. And now in 2025, we're even less with 159. So great job. We've met the target and continue to maintain that adequate level of water demand per person. We look at future water demand. A lot of this is based on the city general plan buildout and the growth assumptions that you have made through your planning choices. We associate that with representative water demand factors, what is usually used for a single family home or a commercial development. And then we apply a little bit of future conservation. You fixtures are getting more conservative. We have a lot more legislation coming in requiring conservation. And that's all baked into the table that you see up above. Um the first row is population. The city is growing in size over the the projected horizon. We have to look out that 20 years to 2045, but we also have buildout here for reference. So you know where we're going. Water demands here are expressed in acre feet per year. And then we calculate the expected water use per capita per day. And we're still below that target that was set for 2020 and beyond. Once we have the future demand, we need to look at future supply to make sure we can meet that demand. Um at here in the city, you are lucky to have a portfolio of water supplies and each one is represented by a different color on this chart. Starting with uh the basin wells, groundwater aquifer wells on the bottom. Wells that are close to the river that pull in some surface water as a well as groundwater. Nosy manta water that comes to the water treatment plant. There's no water that comes from recovery wells and then recycled water to offset the that portable demand. All in all, each one has its own growth over that time period. And we can see by the time we get to buildout, there is adequate supply to meet demand with the various water supplies that you have access to. There's sufficient supply available for the existing community and planned growth, which is an important component of the urban water management plan. Um, we'll continue to update the urban water management plan every five years to account for the growth and changes that occur over that time. any changes in drought, climate change projections or state requirements and of course the supply availability and reality and reliability that changes over time. Um if there are changes from the general plan, different developments that were not considered, those are handled in water supply assessments per city policy and they're handled one-on-one to make sure that they're not impacting the future water demand and supply of the city. The keys to continuing water supply reliability is to maintain that diver diverse portfolio of supplies because you have river water and groundwater and nanto water. If any of those are disrupted, you have other sources to rely on. Each one is has different reliability under different circumstances. And of course, recycled water is droughtproof and it's a great way to help m maintain that portfolio. It's also important to continue implementing water conservation and one whole chapter of the urban water management plan documents your water conservation efforts. I saw a sign on the way in. The city's doing a great job and just continue to implement those going forward. Again, continue planning for additional recycled water use that's not impacted by droughts or climate change and is a great way to have supply reliability. And finally, the city must prepare an annual water supply and demand assessment every year to look out for the next fiscal year to make sure you have available supply and demand. The water shortage contingency planning document is like I said, exactly what it sounds. It's the backup plan for if supply doesn't meet demand in a single year. What the state has mandated is that there's different stages of water water shortage. This could be because of a drought, an earthquake, another disruption. But stage one is where we are now with no no shortage and it includes up to 10% reduction voluntary. There's different water conservation measures associated with each stage. Uh once we get to stage two, if there's a 20% shortage that happened statewide over the last drought, there's more mandatory measures that come in, irrigation uh limits and such. And as we go down the stages, the shortage increases as well as the mandatory conservation increases. So you get to where your supply does meet your demand. You you've reduced your demand thanks to conservation in in matching that supply. Um the water shortage contingency plan quantifies those conservation measures to make sure that the numbers add up and that you're actually saving based on those implementations. Oh, and there was no changes from the 2021. Still the same plan. Finally, the city has sufficient supply for serving the existing and planned growth. The supply again is a diverse portfolio and reliable and the city has achieved targeted conservation required by the state and will continue to meet those conservation programs as projected. The next steps are to for you to approve the urban water management plan and then we enter this information into the DWR water use portal. It's a sub um prescribed system of tables and text and we're currently updating at this minute the portal to reflect all of your numbers to report into the state. Do you have any questions or comments on the plan? Okay, >> thank you Moren. We'll go ahead and open up Chris Beiel. Thank you for the presentation. Can you just go back to the per capita use please and rem and um tell us what uh number you're using for the volume used like residential commercial. >> Um so there's this side that when we calculated the targets there was different methods that DWR prescribed. It's very much calculate this. I believe here we use the method one which is looking at all water demand in the city dividing it by the population. So your commercial is tied in there, industrial, it's not just residential use, but it is divided out over your population. >> And then the big decrease in per capita demand there is primarily due to the change in landscape, right? Is >> Yeah. Well, um, a lot of things happened between the baseline and the 2015. Part of that is recycled water kind of got a credit with baseline and so we're only looking at the portable demand. Your recycled water is taken out. So you get a little bit of a bonus there. Um there was a drought in the early 2010sish that uh people conserved and then we saw conservation just stay once people got a lowflow toilet they kept the lowflow toilet. Um but it's also we had the opportunity to choose the baseline period was 10 years and there was we optimized to have the maximum baseline to have more flexibility >> and I think it's important for people to remember that these numbers will can be very seasonally driven based on very based on rainfall right so the less rain that we get the more water we're going to be applying for irrigation >> and it goes it's a whole spectrum so if you have a lot of rain you don't have a lot of water use. If you don't have a lot of rain, you're making up for that with water use, watering your lawn. But if you're getting into that stage two or stage three of water conservation, you might have restrictions on watering your lawn. And so you might then see a decrease in per capita demand. >> And this might be for you or it might be for Christopher. What do you anticipate kind of future changes in terms of rules or laws or the way um technologies being >> I'll let Christopher answer, but I'll give my two cents first. Um California has very strict water conservation rules when compared to the rest of the country. Uh 2018 there was a suite of legislation that was the conservation is a way of life in California and so it requires cities and residential to conserve a lot by by law that's updating the plumbing codes mandatory restrictions and so it's only going to go down from here. Water conservation is a way of life in California and I think the population is well educated partly thanks to the city efforts locally and so I think you'll have no problem meeting future baseline. Great. >> Um we're going to we should and continue and plan to continue to expect changes in regulations to to change the way we think about water and use water and and we've made great strides over the years. Um but that we still have some room for improvement. And then some of the new development that's going in, the landscape is actually plumbed for future connection to recycled water. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> And then last one. So like here we're approving our, you know, municipal water water plan, right? But we are part of a larger basin. Overall, how much uh of the total basin does the city pump in the basin's amount of groundwater? Typically the city's pumping about a thousand acre feet from the basin. Um that has a estimated perennial yield um of about 60,000 acre feet per year. >> Great. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Marine, uh you might not sure if you can address this, but I know that there's new regulations coming down from Sigma with regard to decorative grass. Um you might explain to the public that that's coming, so to speak. >> Yeah, and that's what Christopher just mentioned. Decorative grass is nonfunctional turf is what it's called. >> And in um areas like Palm Springs, >> a desert that has a lot of non-functional turf, it's a big it's going to have a big effect in water demand. Here it'll have an effect, but not nearly as big night and day as in Palm Springs. Um that is part of the water conservation is a way of life um legislation and it's going to be Yeah, it's coming. >> Very good. Prote Gregory. >> Yes. Um I think it's on the next slide. you have a per capita that one. So the reason for the increase on the use per capita is that because of industrial uses incre increasing in the city. >> I'm not 100% sure on why it's increasing >> because you know we were we were way up and we got it down and >> looks like it's creeping out. >> I I can speak to that and and that is that that is true. Um >> Council Member Gregory it's a it's a change in the relative mix of of residential and commercial. Okay. And I also want to point out that these estimates in the urban plan are very conservative. When we do our water resource planning, um we're looking at kind of historically what have we seen as our our higher level demands. What we're trying to do here is demonstrate that even kind of under the high demand conditions in the city that we'll have adequate water supplies to provide for the community through buildout. Um are we going to hit 9451? Probably not. But um you know based upon past use we could potentially and if we were to hit that number we're just showing that we've got adequate supplies to meet it. >> Very good. Thank you. >> Yeah. And some of those changes with the non-functional turf will will reduce that per capita demand. >> Okay. Thank you very much for the answer. >> Councilman Balos, >> can you uh clarify the non-functional turf that's uh going to start with commercial? Um, is there any plans for residential? >> Christopher, do you want to take that one on how it's implemented here? >> Yeah, that's that's that's going to be the case. I I don't know the timelines off the top of my head. Um, Kirk is is working on that and and pushing that forward for the city. But, um, yeah, it's going to start with commercial. That's going to be the first roll out and then following that, we're going to see restrictions on on on, you know, broader restrictions throughout the city. and and in other basins that I've worked in, it starts with new development, right? You're not going to take out your front yard, but new developments that come in will have restrictions on the amount of irrigated area. Um, as I mentioned, in Palm Springs, they have a lot of grant funding to help people turn in their turf yard into a more drought tolerant landscape. >> What on the on the commercial side, what we're seeing, I mean, what what I've read about it, it's like hotels that have decorative lawns, those will be asked to to remove the decorative lawns. What what h kind of an impact does that have on say a golf course? So golf course, most of a golf course is functional. It's just the ornamental area that might have to be changed to be more drought tolerant, not you know heavy intensive turf use, but maybe natural grasses that don't need as much irrigation. >> And then something like a winery that uses their lawn for reception area or events, things like that, does that become functional? >> That's a good question. I would guess >> that that is that is functional. Yes. Awesome. Thank you. I think it's just the the front yards, the green area in front of the hotel that nobody ever uses. >> Councilman Strong. >> Yes. Can I assume that that also applies to sports fields such as >> those are functional? So, a soccer field that uses turf that is allowed. >> Thank you. Doesn't the building code already um I think on new construction, Christopher, that uh there's only like 25% can be in turf. >> Yeah, >> it's the model land. >> The model land. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, you can go ahead. >> Yeah, the model landscape ordinance that the city has adopted outlines all those existing restrictions. And you are correct, >> right? That's what I remember a few years ago they were doing. >> Yeah, they were they've made it smaller and smaller and now it's going to completely be no turf, but again, other vegetation that just uses less water I think is allowed. >> Or artificial turf, too. You can do that. >> Artificial turf. Yeah, that's a lot of Palm Springs is going artificial. >> Okay. Any other questions from council? Okay. Okay, we'll open up then the public for any uh questions on the item, please. Dale, welcome. Dale August, uh, a couple of things I I don't understand. Uh, I heard her saying we're using recycled water to meet this goal and we're using national water to meet this goal. And my understanding is we're not really using either one of those up to the full potential. Why not? Uh and uh are are we if we're meeting our demands, why are we being asked to pay into this water district thing that for the city uh when we're not causing the problem? I don't think that's right. Uh, and I know John Hammond sits on that board, so I wish you'd uh bring that up, Mr. Hammond. >> Yep. Short answer on that is uh we live in California, Dale. >> Yeah. >> Short answer is what? >> Short answer is that we all live in California and they're the ones telling us what we have to do with our water. That's always been the rub with me. So, even though we have plenty of water, we're told how we can use it, right? welcome. >> Really are not going to have them in the future. We're moving to modular. We're moving to ADUs. We're moving to all kinds of different buildings. So, um, and in these buildings, people are doubling up. I already feel like I pay too much for water. I pay $45 a month for water and I'm one person. So, I don't know why the state calculates it, including commercial, because then my natural inclination, not knowing much about this or not wanting to, frankly, is then why am I paying for the hotels? We have a new hotel coming in district 1. People are not happy because we're building hotels that have water demands and we need housing instead. That's my question. Why is it being calculated on single family homes and what's going to be the future trend to calculate them? Thank you. Welcome >> Gloria FA 1211 Dorothy Street. Um the people in Gilroy have kind of come up with arms because the city okay data center outside of Gilroy. Um you may have heard it takes an enormous amount of water. So it concerns me that um it doesn't look like we're planning for such events. Anybody can speak to that? No, for the tremendous >> we'll try to get an answer for you. Ma'am, >> just on the data center point, if a new data center is proposed here, then that's what triggers the water supply assessment. If there any changes to the general plan, additional water use is um calculated and considered against the water supply. So you'd have an opportunity at that point to look at the demand of a water uh data center and and the needs of the city. Um so that's not built into this project because as far as I know there's no data centers in the general plan. Um to answer the question about how it's calculated, the single family home was just an example to give you an idea what an acre foot is. The calculation is based on per capita and that's not how your water rates are calculated. Your water rates are calculated based on your usage. This is just um the per capita demand of the city is just it's a shortcut to figure out the average overall and how to work in commercial and industrial in that one number but your your rates would be separate. >> Okay. >> I think that's >> uh any other questions online? >> No sir. >> Okay. Uh we'll go ahead and then bring it back council for direction and >> council strong. >> Yes. I'd like to make a comment. Uh I have friends live in various parts of the state and when I talk to them and I talk to them on this topic, I am absolutely amazed at what they're being charged for their water. One of my friends lives uh uh up uh in in Sonoma County up Santa Rosa. Their water bill for using about as much water as I'm using in an 800 and some square foot unit is $400 a month. And it's amazing how much other people are paying for their water because they don't have the supply we have. And uh I think we that our people should check it out and see how we compare to other areas when before they they get too concerned about our rates right now. >> Okay, >> Mr. Mayor, before we proceed, just for the clerk's reference, we did close the public hearing prior to um Mr. Strong's comments. >> Is that what you were trying to give me? >> Mayor, actually, I just wanted to follow up real quick on the data center question if I may. Uh just to clarify, the city does not have any prospective or proposed data centers uh at this time. Uh as mentioned, should uh one of those data centers, I know they're the hot topic right now. Should one be proposed, our development process would offer the opportunity for analysis and hearings and some checks and balances uh before one of those proposals could move forward. So uh this plan uh is is somewhat distinct and separate from uh an analysis of a of a data center. >> Okay. U further comment or direction? >> Um I'd like to make a motion. Pro Tim Gregory. >> Um that we approve resolution 26XXX adopting the water shortage contingency plan and resolution 26XXX adopting the 2025 urban water management plan. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion by Gregory, second by Beal. Discussion on the item. >> Call for the question. Mary. >> Council member Gregory. >> I. >> Council member Beal. >> Council member Bosch. >> Hi. >> Council member Strong. I >> Mayor Hammond >> I >> motion passes unanimously. >> Thank you. Item three will open up the public hearing proposed found formation of community facilities district number 2026-1 Beachwood facilities to provide transportation facilities park recreational improvements and facilities parkway and landscape improvements public safety facilities including police. Ryan Cornell, you have that item. >> Yes. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and City Council, Ryan Cornell, administrative services director. I thank you for this opportunity to present to you um our next um step in of CFD formations. Uh this one has to do with the Beachwood uh uh Beachwood uh specific plan area. A little bit of a background, the Beachwood specific um plan area is in the southeastern portion of the city uh just south of Olsen South Chandler Ranch. Uh it includes about 911 uh residential units. Uh the project was approved by city council back in 2020 and since that time we've been kind of working to get development plans in and and secured and and entitlements and the like. Um when this uh specific plan was approved, there was a a fiscal impact study that was conducted to make sure that there weren't any adverse um impacts to the current residents of the community uh with the this development. Um as such, we did already establish a services CFD. That one's already done and and done with that was done in 2022. And so now what we're doing is doing a facilities portion um on a couple planning improvement areas within this development. Uh this is just step one. We still have three um other steps um to go through. So uh on the right hand side's a little bit more zoomed in version of the specific plan area, but it does propose two um improvement areas. one in the north uh east portion and one um south. Both of them um are going to have the same tax burden in in improvement areas. So um just as a little bit of a range for the smallest house that's less than 1,500 ft, uh the annual tax is estimated to be 3,699. And then for the largest size house of more than 2500 ft, the annual tax is 59 5,985. These are taxes over and beyond what is normally on property taxes. Um what this will do is it'll um authorize bond authorization um in the neighborhood of $15 million for each of those improvement areas. Um Beachwood um facility CFD does fall under the city council um local goals and priorities. Um with Ulsa South Chandler, we had a development agreement that kind of um had some additional provisions uh versus Beachwood, we are solely relying on the local goals and policies. So what does that mean is that the city um priorities of what um the bonds can reimburse developers for. The first one is city services. We want to make sure that the city is able to maintain services. Like I said, that was already done in 2022. The next priority is public facilities. So those are the off-site improvements um traffic circulation related ones uh lift stations, pump stations, recycled water, kind of the infrastructure utilities. Um that is the city's first priority for um bond reimbursements. Um the third pri um priority is private facilities. So those are all in track um related uh utilities, intrack roads, not necessarily um arterial arterial uh roadways. Oops. on the bond. Um the other piece of it is bond limitations. And so uh one we're limited to the um the bond tax amount that I just showed you on the prior um um screen. Uh but there's also this value to lean ratio. What happens is we don't want these properties to be overburdened with debt. And so we require a 4:1. So this means if they're going to pull out $15 million, they need to have $60 million worth of value in that land before we'll authorize 15 million. This just kind of keeps that ratio kind of within a good balance. The other um important piece of it is the debt payments aren't escalating. So that means this tax is going to stay flat. So once we establish it, it's going to stay flat for the 35-year term. Um and then with the local policies, we try to eye about a 1.8% effective tax rate. Um it's a it's an about because the the the facilities tax is flat and the h um the value of the house fluctuates and goes up and down. So we really don't know how that's going to predict, but that's that's our goal is to get to about 1.8. Prop 13 is a 1%. So we're looking at almost close to double that. So like I said, there's um several steps involved. This is just the initiation to form the CFD and to um authorize incurred debt. Um our very next um council meeting on July 21st is going to be the formal scripted Mr. Mayor um um dialogue where we're um calling elections. We're we're we're declaring election results. Um and then we're um introducing for first reading the new tax levy on August 4th. We'll do it on consent. We'll just throw this item on for a second reading. And then sometime in the future, um we will um come back to city councils for bond authorizations when the developer is ready. Um that could be one issuance, it could be multiple issuance. We're not kind of unsure right now. It depends on how development um instructs. Uh that concludes my presentation. Mr. Mayor, we have two actions um before you tonight. The first one is to establish um the CFD for facilities and the second one is to um declare necessity to current bond independentness. With that, I would be happy to answer any questions. >> Okay. Thank you, Ryan. Questions of Ryan? Counciloman Bouch? >> Nice presentation. Short and to the point. um the 4:1 ratio, does that take into account the other bonds that are going to be assessed like the school district bonds and the Questa bonds, things like that? >> So, the 1.8 effective tax rate does take into consideration all the other add-on bonds. >> Makes sense. >> Uh and then um any other uh bonds that that might come about as as a result of this development or is this kind of a one and done or there might be something else? So, as I showed you in the boundary map, it's only improvements area one and two that we identified. Um, there are many owners in this specific plan area. So, yes, one of them could um request another facility, CFD, on their ownership on their portion regardless, no matter um which way, there has to be a vote taken and a m and um 100% of the um voters have to approve um the tax. >> So, I I'm I'm more concerned about uh it's kind of a a proposed bond. I can't think of why they would do, but somebody could get creative and and not just on these parcels, but on the entire development out there. And you don't see that happening? >> No, no, that's incorrect. The the the embodied indebtedness is actually stays with the community facilities district, and it's not a citywide. >> No, no, no, no. I just the new development that's going on out there. So, it's just just per development is what I'm hearing. These these two parcels. >> Yes. Well, planning areas. >> Planning areas. Sorry. Thank you. Thanks, Ryan. Rot, we're agreeing. >> Yeah. So, Ryan, this is almost identical to what we did with Olsson, correct? >> Correct. >> Same kind of limitation. >> Yeah. It's actually more restricted to be honest with you. They had a 1.9 um overall effective tax rate and they had a couple other little different parameters, but um this one's staying within the local goals and policies. >> Very good. Thank you, >> Council Member Beal. >> Is the 4:1 ratio that's a Paso City Council policy that we've set? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. All the questions of council, we'll open up then the public for any questions of this item. Seeing none, anybody online? Mary? >> No, sir. >> Okay. We'll go ahead and close the public hearing and bring it back to council for direction and or action. >> Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a recommendation. I move that we approve resolution 26XXXA declaring intention to establish proposed community facilities district number 2026-1 Beachwood facilities and to designate two improvement areas therein and to levy a special tax therein. >> Second. >> So we have a motion by Gregory, second by Bow or was it Strong? I'm not sure. >> Either one. >> Okay. Well, do the next one. We have two motions here. Go ahead. All right. Uh discussion. All right. Call for the question. >> Council member Gregory. >> I. >> Council member Bosch. >> Hi. >> Council member Beal. >> Council member Strong. >> I. >> Mayor Hammond. >> Motion passes unanimously. Okay. I move that we approve resolution 26XXB declaring necessity to incur a bonded indebtedness of proposed city of Paso's community facilities district number 2026-1 Beachwood facilities for improvement areas number one and two therein >> second motion by Gregory second by Strong any discussion call for the Council member Gregory >> I. >> Council member Strong >> Council member Bosch >> I. >> Council member Beiel >> Mayor Hammond >> I. >> Motion passes unanimously. >> Very good. >> That'll close the public hearing section. Moving on to discussion items. First item is approval of resolution authorizing the submission of an encampment resolution grant fund funding grant application. And Ashley Hernandez has that for us. Good evening, Mayor Hammond and members of the city council. Ashley Hernandez, homeless services manager. Tonight, I'm joined by our community services director in Helica Foron, and by two of our key grant partners, Christy Alicorn, director of housing management at HasllO, the housing authority of St. Louis Abyispo County, and Wendy Lewis, president and CEO of Echko Al Camino homeless organization. Chrissy and Wendy will each have a brief opportunity to speak later um in tonight's discussion and I'll bring us to a close. So I want to begin with the action in front of you tonight. Staff recommends approval of the resolution authorizing the community services director to submit an encampment resolution funding application and execute all related documents. This is an authorization to apply. It is not a commitment to a project nor an expenditure of city funds. If the grant is awarded, updates will come back to the city council for separate time. The application is due June 30th, two weeks from today, and your support will help strengthen our application. This application implements three commitments city council has already made. Goal number three of the city council adopted goals, identifies housing and homelessness as a priority, specifically calling for expanded affordable housing. The strategic plan to address homelessness adopted through a communitydriven process identifies outreach intram housing, permanent housing, and system coordination as the core framework. And the slow regional homelessness and affordable housing compact approved by council in April was designed to strengthen our competitive competitiveness for grant funding. So tonight is the first direct opportunity throughout the county to put that compact to work. So the funding opportunity round five is administered by the California inter agency council on homelessness. It is a housing first competitive grant. 93 million is available statewide and we are qu requesting approximately 12 to 14 million and no local match is required. Eligible uses include outreach and engagement, case management, interim housing, permanent housing acquisition and encampment closure. Our proposal draws on all of these. The expenditure deadline is fiscal year 2930, giving us a realistic and achievable runway to deliver lasting results. Before I walk through the strategy, I do want to thank our very committed community partners because it will exemplify to HCD what Paso is bringing forward. We have letters of support from Senator John Leair, Assemblywoman Don Addis, US Representative Jimmy Panetta, the Slow County Sheriff's Office, California Highway Patrol, CALR, the county supervisor John Pashang, Pasaroba's Rotary, and a broad coalition of North County Homelessness Network service providers and community agencies. So regional collaboration is a scored criteria of the Earth application. So every partner on this slide strengthens our score and this represents months and months of coordination and general regional commitment to addressing what is happening within Pasaroblas. There is evidence to why we believe our application is extremely competitive. The single most significant factor is the right of way set right of way set aside. HCD has reserved 50% of earth round five funds specifically for encampments in state rideway. We chose the north Selenus Riverbed because it sits in Calrans rightway adjacent to the 10146 interchange and we are competing in a smaller pool with a project that qualifies directly. Second is readiness. The Moose apartments at 2548 Spring Street are under construction, so HCD can fund something that will be moving ready according to Haslow within seven to eight months of grant application. Third, our partnership is coordinated. Haslow, Echko, Cal's, CHP, the county of Slow and our community action team are all committed before the application is even filed. And then fourth, our application in the regional uh compact approved two months ago directly demonstrates that we are working not in a silo but a part of a system. So our strategy is built around four steps called a housing continuum. It is step one engage. So we will begin with every individual in our encampment zone, the North Selenus Riverbed to conduct standardized assessments and enroll participants in the coordinated entry system. This will allow them to stabilize at Echko's na navigation center that would be at 1134 Black Oak Drive and will become an area for expansive case management where it would be linking people to dedicated shelter beds within Ekko's 90-day program, case management and benefits enrollment. Step three is permanent housing, which placements draw from multiple pipelines. They could get set into the home key units, housing vantage, uh vouchers administered through HLO, coordinated entry matches across our county, family reunification, and then families would be eligible once the acquisition of the partially constructed Moose apartments would be used where seven familysized permanent supportive housing units would be completed through this grant. Step four is the close of the project. So the sequencing of closing the north riverbed is within our discretion as the grantee that would definitely be in collaboration with the police department and it would be paired with active monitoring to pre prevent reestablishment. So our overarching goal by December 2029 is to have offered housing navigation services to at a minimum of 75 people while permanently resolving one of the highest impact encampments within San Louisispo County. So on the echo slide, grant funds will be used to expand the navigation center services on the existing campus of 1134 Black Oak Drive. A prefab structure will be installed in the existing courtyard. This expansion allows ECHKO to better serve our residents and beds within Ekko's 90-day program will be specifically allocated to participants exiting the riverbed. On the HLA side, Earth Funds will be completing the Moose apartments, bringing seven permanent supportive units online for families. And as families move from the home key, which is above campuses, the home key campus into the newly completed Moose apartments that frees up units at the home key side for additional participants moving through the system. It creates a throughput. Each housing placement opens a door for the next person. So that pipeline is what makes this model sustainable and efficient over the grant period. The total request is approximately $12 million allocated across three categories, development, operations, and administration. So at this point, I'd like to bring our partners. Both Christy and Wendy are here tonight. Christy Alicorn is the director of housing management at HLO. I'll turn it over to Christy to speak to HLO's experience and permanent housing components of the project. >> Oh, Michelle, >> we made a change. So, I'm Michelle Pedigo. I'm the executive director of the housing authority. Uh, so thank you for the opportunity to speak on behalf of the encampment response funding grant. Um, Haslau has a long-standing track record of developing, operating, and managing permanent supportive housing throughout St. Louis Bispo County. Our model combines affordable housing with intensive supportive services that help residents maintain housing and improve overall quality of life. We are seeking approximately 70% of the total grant application uh to support new permanent supportive housing in Paso Robos. The majority of those funds approximately 80% would be uti utilized for development and construction costs with the remaining 20% supporting long-term operations property management and supportive services infrastructure necessary to ensure long-term housing stability. We recognize that communities often have concerns regarding permanent supportive housing in their community. I want to emphasize that this project is designed to be part of a broader housing continuum rather than simply adding residents into units. The intent is for residents who are currently living successfully at Paso Home and who have demonstrated housing stability for a year or more to transition into the Moose apartments. By creating that next step in the housing continuum, we free up units at Paso Home Key for individuals who are currently unsheltered, including those transitioning from the riverbed. This approach allows us to serve more people with the same housing resources while promoting positive resident progression and long-term housing success. The project is expected to create seven permanent supportive housing units and permanently house seven households once f fully occupied. URF funding represents a critical opportunity to leverage state resources to address homelessness locally while creating a lasting community asset that will serve pass residents. And we're available for any questions after. >> Thank you, >> Wendy. >> Good evening, council. Thank you for this opportunity. Wendy Lewis with El Camino Homeless Organization. First, I would love to thank um both the city and the housing authority of Slow County for coming together and really looking at ways to bring solutions to the topic of homelessness within our community. We know that there is uh more for all of us to do and this is a great partnership coming together to bring solutions. The Echo component of this is to really provide um enhanced services especially to the people we're serving. We at the our side of the Echo home key, we are literally out of every bit of space. Um, if you've come out for a tour, you can see that every space is utilized, but we know there's more to do um especially targeting this particular encampment and bringing solutions to um encampments in the Selenus Riverbed. So, ours would be to build either a one or twotory building right where our meal program happens right now. So every evening um the community comes together, incredible partners from the community, from churches to service groups, they serve a meal out of that very humble beastro tent. Um we would love to be able to build this building which would offer us an ability to provide those services in inclement weather. Um get our incredible clients, our meal teams out of the heat, the cold, the rain and have an area. It would also include a commercial kitchen which uh would come uh approved through the fire department and sprinklered and all the things we need to do plus giving us more space for navigation services. We offer about 20 programs out of Echo and literally the space to do that is a very small tiny conference room. This would give us the ability to offer more programming, enhanced programming and also case management and expansion of our outreach case management services particularly targeting that uh encampment on near the uh sewer plant in that area. So we're here just to be part of the solution and just really grateful for the partnership that's coming together to make this possible. Thank you. >> So thank you both. Um we have I what I believe a very competitive grant um and the the site is pretty much ready. So we are with that combination it's uncommon and the deadline is two weeks away. So staff recommends council approve the resolution authorizing the community services director to submit the earth round five application and execute all documents necessary to apply for accept and administer the grant. and Hica Christy Wendy and I are happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Ashley. Start off with u Tim Gregory. Sure. >> So, um I have a question and Ashley, I don't know who's going to answer the question, but um a constituent called me and asked me about how the financing works. So, that was explained pretty well. Um they were concerned about the long-term administration and and staffing for that. So, does Haslow get funding from other sources or is this enough money to run it for five years? Can you help understand help us understand that? >> I'll let Michelle answer. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So, part of our funding ask is um operating subsidy for the first two or three years. And the reason for that is because um we try to stretch our housing choice voucher budget as far as we can, but we do have set aside vouchers um that go to the people who are in Paso Home Key. So, as they move on over to this site, because those are tenant based vouchers that stay with the tenant, not with the property, they'll bring those with them uh to the Moose apartments. And so, that will help us fund the operations. >> Yes, we like your program is great. So, I just want to say thank you for that and thanks for the explanation. Go ahead, Chris. >> Councilman Bosch, >> thank you. Uh thank you Ashley. Great presentation and thank you uh Wendy and Christie. The question I have similar to Council Member Gregory. Um the these are great I ideas uh and kind of leveraging what Home Key is about moving them uh those residents into the Moose apartments. Is it is it uh restricted to just uh the Moose apartments? In other words, if there were if the Moose apartments get filled up, would uh HLA then be able to provide vouchers for someone to move if there was space available to to another location? >> I can answer part of that question, then I'll pass it over to Michelle. the participants participants will be entered into the countywide coordinated entry system which allows them to have a assessment and be eligible for anywhere across the county including the home key the moose apartments but other places as well and then I'll pass it over to Michelle to talk specific about HLO. >> So one of the reasons the Paso Home Key site has been so successful is because we do have those vouchers set aside. So every time somebody decides they've you know ready to move on to more um you know different type of housing they take that voucher with them. So the majority of the people who have left that property have taken it into market housing. >> Interesting. >> Um so it's been really successful in that regard that they they have a step to go. Um the problem is that there's always kind of like that middle ground where this will kind of serve the people who still need some services aren't quite ready to go out into the market with their voucher. Um, but this will kind of help them work their way up and then move make more room and pass a home key for those who are just coming out directly from homelessness. >> And then actually coming back to what Council McGregor said. So we have funding and financing through that has to be expended through 2029. What's the vision beyond 2029? Assuming this is going to be highly successful. How do we how do we sustain this and make it continue? And >> can you repeat that for me? >> How do we continue the funding beyond 2029 or keep the the operation going? Because this is this is several partners involved in this. Anybody have a crystal ball that goes out uh beyond 2029 and um is this something that the city is going to be asked to to s uh sustain or maintain? So sustaining operations has been the biggest um question mark from the day that the opportunity to look at home key came available. Our portion only came with two years of operating. And so as an organization we took a huge leap of faith because you don't want to build something and then have to close it two years later. And um we showed through a lot of different partnerships through the city as one of them, but also the community. I mean the community stepped up. the community of Pasarobos was there um they were there to form these meal teams that are dedicated serving dinners up to 120 150. We know that that power of that group of people will help us as well. I think um we have a current project in Atascadero. Um it was a $6 million capital campaign to build a family wing dedicated adding 30 beds. We're almost to 80% of that goal. And so we truly have a track record with the data we provide. um the numbers of people getting back into housing. This year, as of this morning, we've helped 151 individuals or families into stable permanent housing. So, all those different pieces really provide um the pathway to fund raise and raise money to sustain. >> So, let me let me ask this a different way. The the 12 million grant, if we're successful in being approved, that's going to be kind of a one-time funding. Is is is how it's envisioned? Yeah, it's onetime state funding to help build the operations, but it would be up to the county and the partners to to sustain the operations of it. Um, in addition to that, um, the county has written a letter of support. Linda Belch, the the deputy director, isn't able to be here, but they also are committed to helping us find continued funding in the future. >> Excellent. Thank you, Ashley. Thank you, >> Council Member Mobile. >> Super presentation. This is very exciting for me. Has the city of Pasroals ever put in a grant application like this before? >> Not to my knowledge. Um, but it's unique. >> Well, no, but you're not the city. >> Oh, >> so the city hasn't been like a grant. >> yeah. This is So, this is the first time for Earthf. So, St. Louis Abyspo City does have funds. They did just open the welcome home village, but that was through the county as the primary applicant. This is the first time in our county that the city would be an applicant for this level of funding. >> Right. And just to, you know, explain to the community the city's the city's role in this is to be the applicant to be sort of the coordinator, the administrator of the of the grant. Maybe you can just talk about that a little bit more. >> Yeah. Through oversight. So ensuring that the people that are entering into the system, our community action team would be the biggest partner in spending the couple of last years in the riverbed, they know every person by name. So we'd really lean on them to help us know who is going to move through that pipeline. In addition to that, just grant management. So making sure we are being good stewards of the state dollars and making sure that our partners are holding up to their roles and responsibilities through convening and then leveraging all of our community support. So, whoever wants to jump on and support us, we're happy to put a place at our table. >> I just think this is an excellent um example of how powerful having a homelessness coordinator is in advancing the work. We I mean, this we could not have put together this grant application without you. And also, it speaks to the relationships that you've built over the last year to make this happen quickly. Right. This was a very uh it it is not a simple thing to get these different government and nonprofit partners together to agree on a project to have their boards sign off on it to submit an application. Not to mention the letters of support that you've gotten. So again, clear strategic goals that the CA council and the community have set. uh a very talented uh manager here looking over this work and developing the relationships a great partners without any of that we couldn't have done this because I know you only found out about this what about two seconds ago yeah so I yeah and uh Ekko have been ambitious partners in this vision and it has taken some really hefty goals to get it forward even especially working with the property owner so I we are it's been a team effort for sure. >> And it's um you know sometimes like these projects they like address one piece one piece of the continuum but we had a very unusual situation here and an unusual opportunity to open up some more beds and in a particular kind of demographic which then keeps the system moving and that is really the the point to keep people moving through the system. So congratulations Ashley, her uh boss on Helica, all of the partners. Well done. >> If I could just comment. So the city actually has applied for earth grants before, but it was under the county and at that time we didn't receive the grant and one of the primary reasons is that there was no path to permanent supportive housing. So this particular opportunity and by the city taking the lead, we were really able to address that within this application. And so we're really happy because now that is actually the strength of our application. >> Y thank you Ashley. >> Okay. Uh any other question from council? >> We'll open up then the public. Anybody wishing to address this item, please come forward. >> Um hi Linda George 3126 Spring Street. I'm kind of a little annoyed. You guys do realize what they're asking for, right? $12 million. Haslow wants 70% which leaves us what approximately with 8 million. This is a city grant and the counties coming in to take our money. I hope you see that perspective that I do. This is a city grant. This city grant could have gone completely to us and solved our 130 homeless in the riverbed. Okay. My next question is why are all the housing going on Spring Street? You guys don't live in that neighborhood. I do. I live with the farm workers, the cockroaches, the homeless, all of it. So, why are we concentrating more potential problems? And why aren't we using this money to um do a safe parking spot and things like that? Things that the city can use. So, I want you guys to understand what the county is asking. They're asking for us to pay for them. Now, I understand that the county just got 20 million or something like that dollars from the state. Well, what did the city get from that? Where did where was Pashon? Where did we get from that 20 million? So, I just want to make sure everybody in this room understands the county is taking this money. It's a great idea. I'm not knocking it, okay? don't get me wrong, but we're giving 8 million to the county and it's not housing the people that we're trying to concentrate on. These are all great concepts, don't get me wrong, but the one thing that they're not addressing and is the barriers to housing. You got people with bad uh credit, um warrants, um I can't even think of all the things right now. I saw Rebecca Hull the other day. She looked like a a a cat chewed her up and spit her out again. She needs to be on SS High. I I talked to her. She said, "Yeah, she's ready to go." Okay, but this is my district. This is District One. We already have all the homeless at Black Oak and now you guys are putting apartment complexes along Spring Street. Rem. Let me remind you, I've been to your neighborhoods. There is no other neighborhood like mine. Okay? I live there. You don't know what it's like to live with 12 people in in a RV and things like that. So when you guys are planning these things, please don't pick on one area. It would be great to have housing somewhere else. But 90,000 Echo just collected 90,000 yet we pay her 444K. We need to do some hard math audit. I object to the county taking our money. Dale >> Dale Augustine. Um I have had acquaintances who were in the river. Uh in fact, one of them died in the river sadly. Uh the concern I have is that the uh I know Echo has programs to help people with um drug addiction or psychological uh problems, but I didn't understand that this grant was going to help those aspects of the of doing that. So I'd like to some assurance that I most of the people in the river either have a drug addiction or a mental problem and so without correcting those problems the the success rate is very low. So it it but I think you know get applying for the grant is a step in the right direction and the other thing was there's there are people living out of their vehicles in this city and the city has kind of squeezed them to not do that. Even Ro even uh Walmart is no longer allowing them to park in their lot. So, there's a problem because they can't afford an apartment, but they live out of their car. And maybe we could find a way to find a parking place for those people. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. >> Can we give this card to someone? >> Hi, my name is Chris Parker Kennedy and this is my husband, John. And we're here um because we we've been here before, but we are such strong supporters of Echko and we work as volunteers there uh quite a bit. And so we feel like we are in a good position to to be aware of the good work that they do and um how important the work is that is going on. Um there's a there's an old Latin expression that I kind of try to live by. Ubi karatas where charity and love are their god is and so I'm not trying to advocate religion but to say that charity and love are present throughout the philosophy and the work of echko we see that every single day and we have uh a long list of names of people that we have met there who we try to remember so that we can call them by name and let them know that they are um respected and that they have the right to be there and that they matter and that is what Echko does. So we are um members of two teams, two meal teams that that Wendy was mentioning of volunteers and we know how important that program is tonight. We came from having served 125 people with our other friends here and that's a significant amount of people who are being helped and um I don't understand the previous speaker's complaints because they are addressing the problem. We're working as a community. We're working really hard to address the problem. It's not easily solved but that's what needs to be addressed and that's what Ekko's doing. So, the possibility of having a kitchen is thrilling. We could have a sink. We could have um a stove, all these things that are not there right now. We just have a table and people bring in all their food. To have a real working kitchen would be amazing. And I think it would bring in more volunteers and it would bring in more people who could be helped. So, we're all for it. and we just can't say enough about the good work that is going on in our community. So, thanks. >> Well, thank you for your work and service to others through ECHKO. Thank you. >> Welcome. >> Hello. My name is Don Pensy. Um, and I I want to give a special thanks to Steve Gregory because we wouldn't have an echo shelter without him. So, thank you for that. Um, as for I don't think you can you can talk to anyone about drugs or homelessness until you feed them. Because if someone's hungry, you can't talk to them. You have to feed them first because that's one of our basic needs. So, I want to show you something. This is this is a pan that you would use uh in your oven, right? So, you have three racks in your oven. So, three of these fits in your oven, but three of these do not feed 140 people. You need five of these to feed 140 people. Now, if anyone wants to volunteer their oven, I'm two meal teams. One was tonight and one is a week from tonight. Um, I could always use an extra oven. So, when it gets near meal time, my friends don't return my calls because they know I'm going to ask to use their oven. The other thing is when we're out there cooking, we have a stack of paper plates, right? And the wind comes up and you know the wind in Paso, we feed at 5:00, all those plates are blowing around, right? So the dust is blowing in people's food. They deserve better than that. They really do deserve I mean, we cook we cook a lot of times it takes two days to prepare these meals and we serve them hot. We make sure they're hot. We make sure uh let's see what do we Tonight we did pulled pork sandwiches. We cooked 53 pounds of pork. Um probably about 20 pounds of coleslaw, two cases of oranges, 200 brownies. Uh what else did we have? I think that was it. But anyway, I don't think we can get anywhere with the homeless population until we feed them and we keep them fed. I don't think we're going to make any inroads with their drug problems and their homelessness and anything else without feeding these people. And you know, the other thing is JPK and Chris and me and a couple of the meal teams, we know these people. So when they're having a bad day, we can go up and go, "Hey, are you having a bad day?" And we might be the only people who really care about them. So, oh, and a shout out to Wendy. Wendy is a Wendy Lewis is a fabulous leader and we are so lucky to have her in our community. That's all. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Hi. Um my name is Marcella and I was an echo client. I lived there for two years with my son, slept in our car and everything. So, I've been through the program. It's an amazing program. I came here today because I I want to speak on this because this is something huge to me. Doing a kitchen would be able to help Echo and feeding people. Um, I stayed in Echo back in 2021 with my son Noah. We were homeless at the time and needed help. We got into the 90-day program, worked hard, got the job that I'm still at today. And I got into housing. So, with the housing and everything, it's been amazing. I've been in my own place for two years already, and I'm grateful and thankful for that. It was hard in the beginning wanted to throw in the towel, but I kept up and just being at Echko really helped me. Their services are great, but my passion, my heart and my passion was giving back to the community and volunteering. I still go to Echo. I do make meals and prepare meals for everybody there. I do lunches on my days off. I'm out there on top of my hood of my car feeding people out there. Um, I've been asking for them to look into getting a kitchen because this would help everybody. And I think that would be a great opportunity with this grant or whatever they're going to they're planning to do with this money to get this kitchen going. and feeding and helping keeping the mills warm because that's what it's about out there. And just hearing all this and everybody and their comments and everything, a lot of people's never been there. And to be there, it it's it's really rough. and addiction. It's It's hard and I'm just grateful for Ekko and I would really like this to happen and I would still volunteer here and everything. I wrote something, but I didn't even go off of that because I'm just speaking out of my heart, you know, and >> Well, thank you for your success story and sharing it with us, >> Marcela. And thank you for like letting me speak out here because it means a lot to me. And I told myself I was not going to cry, but I read this so many times to my co-workers and I I cried a few times because I know how it is and I just think that this would be good and enhance the services that they do. So, please pass this. We need that. Okay. >> Thank you. Welcome. >> Hi, my name is Linda Stewart. Um, I've been a meal provider at Ekko for almost a decade now. Um, first in Atascadero and now I serve up in Paso as well. Um, and I was so excited because I'm constantly like, "Oh, we need a kitchen. We need a what's how can we get it?" So, we need the kitchen because and you're talking about the pipeline. it. Echo's dinner is the beginning when they come and they see the people who are in the program and they hear about their possible opportunities and they get that warm meal and one of the meal servers, you know, smiles at them and says, "Have a good day." They just feel respected and and important. Again, um I know Wendy mentioned the weather. Um it's really hard to find volunteers who want to come out and serve meals when it's 108 degrees outside. Um so having that dining room and having that indoor kitchen and the additional meeting space would really mean a lot to the volunteers who come out 365 days a year to serve dinner. Um dinner at ECHKO is not just about food. It's about providing a safe and welcoming environment. Um, right now without the dedicated kitchen, meal teams have to get creative about how to keep food warm. I know we wrap things in towels and put them in insulated bags and hope that they stay warm. Um, and with an oven and accessible electrical outlets, we can hook up crockpots and things like that that would really streamline our process and ensure that guests have nutritious meals. Um, the meal program is most vital part of ECHKO. It's where individuals first experience kindness and the possibility of change in their lives. In this space, they can meet with case managers and learn about the various programs available so they can meet the outreach case manager at a meal and actually find out about entering the 90-day program. That's why I believe improving the kitchen and the dining room facility in Pastor Robels is so important. It's not just a matter of convenience. It's about dignity, support, and creating an environment where change can happen. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. >> Hi, my name is Midori Feldman. I'm a citizen of Pastor Robos. Um just I I am responding to the questions that I heard about whether there was continuing support, what's going to happen if you get the grant, and what do we do with these houses? Um and so I'd like to address those questions in saying that I encourage you to not think about the can'ts. Don't think about what's going to happen in five years from now. That to me, that's acting out of fear. That's not acting out of hope. We don't know what the future's going to bring. All we can do is look at what's here in front of us. To me, $12 million is a lot of money. If it gives an opportunity for some people now, I think that's what we need to be looking at. um the homeless are going to be there anyway. Not to ignore it and say we can't do something is just really putting your head in the sand. They are here. They have needs. I think it's really important to do do something with the resources and the opportunities that we have. Thank you. >> Thank you. Welcome. Hi, >> my name is Lisa Analotti. I'm My name is Lisa Analotti. I'm a resident here in Paso Robos and I too have prep meals occasionally for Echo have been for the last couple of years. Um to the first speaker's comments, maybe we don't get all the 12 million. I I don't know. But evidently the people that have been working with Echko and running Echko are excited about this and have a great track record and whatever monies they get, they're going to put to good use. And a kitchen, as you've heard, makes a huge difference. It is where we begin. It is where we get to greet everybody, serve a hopefully a warm meal. It's not always warm. Don and Heidi are lucky they have cambers that they bring. Not everybody has cambers that they bring to keep food warm. Um, and another important thing is besides a meal, when you have a kitchen and you can talk to your caseworker, you can go from the pass key, it's it's going to be a place that's not just going to serve food, but it's going to have the opportunity to teach people how to prepare a meal, how to do it economically, possibly. There are all sorts of other things you can use this kitchen for besides just serving the dinner that are going to allow people to um trans um to transition from one level to the next level. And that's very important if you want success because success is what we want. And we're not going to be able to serve everybody in the riverbed all the time, but the ones that want help to provide as much as we can, I think it's our obligation as a society and as a city. and thank you for listening to everybody and allowing for this opportunity. >> Thank you, ma'am. Anyone else public comment? Okay, we'll go ahead and close it. Anyone online? >> Yes, sir. Caitlyn Batty. >> Okay, caller, go ahead. We can hear you. >> Okay. Hello. You You can still hear me? >> Yes. >> Um, okay, great. My name's Caitlyn Batty. I am commenting on behalf of the St. and Elizabeth Bispo County Homeless Services Division. Um I am the unsheltered program manager for the county. Um and we are in strong support of the city of Pasarro's uh FF round five proposal. Uh I want to also echo what was said earlier about Ashley just being so awesome and doing an amazing job in the year or so she's been here. Um I know she's built a relationship with me and my other counterparts. Um so this initiative presents a comprehensive housing first aligned strategy to resolve the long-standing North Paso Selenus Riverbed encampment which is one of the county's most complex and high impact sites. It's currently home to approximately 75 individuals. And the area faces chronic homelessness, behavioral health needs, water rescues, environmental degradation, and significant public safety risk due to its proximity to the state rightway and critical infrastructure. The proposal outlines a coordinated model involving the city's community action team, which I know was mentioned earlier, uh, county behavioral health, echo, hlow, and the coordinated entry system. by delivering intensive outreach, housing navigation, and ongoing case management. So, something I've heard uh mentioned a lot um in the comments is that this navigation center at Echko's campus will have a kitchen, but it is more than just a kitchen. It will be a place for people to connect with a caseworker. um whether that is through a meal or through going in and and asking some questions. How would I get help? Where should I start? Um so it will be great in that way. Um we are very supportive of the Moose apartments. Uh and this proposal overall will reduce environmental and public safety impacts, resolve a high-risisk encampment, and create lasting housing opportunities that strengthen the entire countywide homelessness response system. St. Louis Vispo County is proud to support this impactful and urgently needed initiative. >> Great. Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Go ahead and call uh call the public uh comment to close and bring it back to council for discussion and or action. >> Yeah, I'd like to just say a few things. >> Sure. um our relationship. A lot of people don't understand what Hasow does. I understand what ECHKO does and I understand what Hasow really does and what we've accomplished with them in Echko at the Motel 6. And they're an amazing organization because they're able to give us that opportunity for permanent housing. They have the mechanism and it works. They are not the county. It's a nonprofit that takes care of the funding and make sure the continuum of housing goes on. But the most important part of my comment is going to be it's the people, it's the volunteers, it's the Ashley's and Melissa, everybody. Everybody's in this for the same reason to help the people who need help and figuring out a way to fund this and fund it in a semi-permanent way. And you always figure out Alo somehow figures it out every time. And it's wonderful because without it, we wouldn't get what we need. And this is what we need. And we have so many committed community members that are part of this process and the helpers, all the speakers that do all the meals. It's just a heartfelt giving of their lives to help somebody just get a step up. And um I'll make a motion after other people make comments, but I just want to say that state of California came down here after we opened Haslow Motel 6 with Echo and they gave us the gold standard for a great example of a community and organizations that could provide h can provide housing and success for those who want to step up. And so I just want to thank thank you to HL for that. Thank you to Ekko and Wendy for that. And all of your volunteers are wonderful. I want to say thank you. And Floyd Butterfield says the same thing. He just not here tonight. So, Councilman Dodge. >> So, um I appreciate the comments the folks that came up. Um I'm trying to wrap my head around how the the the kitchen, this is the first I've heard about the kitchen part of this. Does that impact our application? Is that part of our application or is that separate funding in conjunction with the $12 million application? >> So, we're building the navigation center and we're taking that opportunity to make that a flexible space by incorporating the commercial kitchen component. Obviously, that's really important to the folks in the room today. Absolutely. And we definitely understand that. Primarily the in the application we're focusing on the navigation services that we're going to be able to provide which is part of what is really um what the application is looking for is making sure that we are reaching out to our community getting them enrolled in the continuum of care and making sure that um they're set up for the next step. That kitchen and that space where people do come together does happen to be sometimes the first place where people will connect for services and accept services. So we do recognize the importance of that component. >> Okay. Thank you. >> In addition to that, Senator John Larid has appropriated $150,000 to this structure through Echo. So, we will be leveraging some of that support as well to complete and braid some of that funding into this process. >> Thank you for the clarification. >> Any other comments? >> I was just going to mention too, I this is a great opportunity to bring some of our all of our tax dollars back to Pastor Robels. you know, hopefully we're going to be successful in this grant, but again, it's uh helping us in our quest, you know, giving them a hand up instead of a hand out. And that's really what it's about, I think, at this point. So, we can make that happen. >> May go to Greg. I'd like to make a I move that we approve resolution 26xx authorizing the community services director to submit an encampment resolution funding round five application and execute all documents necessary to apply for accept and administer the grant. >> Second. >> Okay. A motion by Gregory, second by Beal. Discussion. Call for the question. Mayor. >> Council member Gregory. >> I. >> Council member Beal. >> I. Council member Bosch, >> I. >> Council member Strong, >> Mayor Hammond, >> I. >> Motion passes unanimously. >> And thank you all to speakers who came tonight. Um, Michelle, Wendy, Ashley, and Helica. Well done. Appreciate it. You're good. Thank you. Discussion item number two, approval of goals and initiations and operating and capital budget for fiscal years 2026, 27, and 27, and 28. and the appropriations limit for fiscal years 2026 through 27. >> Mayor, I'll kick it off as Ryan and David are coming up to the podium. Um, this tonight marks our final step in the city's two-year budget development process. Uh, as we look back over the last several months, this marks the ninth meeting that includes uh either a budget or a goal setting discussion. Uh, of course, as we've talked about throughout the last few meetings, this budget cycle was very different from, uh, several of our past budget cycles, uh, and presented some unique challenges as our revenues were plateauing and are projected to continue to plateau. Uh, I really want to recognize staff, many of the department heads that are in the room tonight and their teams for stepping up and really bringing forward uh, budgets that adapted to this more constrained fiscal environment. uh wanted to also recognize both city council and staff for embracing a new strategic planning format. I I know uh there were certainly some some starts and stops on the process, but overall I think it sets the organization up uh for success over the next two years by establishing some very clear priorities, some accountability and measurable outcomes as Mr. Malowitz will will talk about in a minute. Uh despite the leaner budget, uh we are able to maintain current service levels and and advance key initiatives. Uh we're able to invest in public safety, local road repairs, major infrastructure projects. Uh again, all while recognizing a much leaner environment. Uh we have fully funded reserves uh and we we keep we kept we're able to keep those at the city council uh target policy level. Uh and so with that, I hope I didn't steal too much thunder. Uh but I I did want to also thank uh Ryan and David in particular uh for their leadership in in both of these elements of our our budget process. So with that, I'll turn it over to them to take us home. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. City Manager. Ryan Cornell, admin services director. I'm again here to approve the budget report for the next two two years. So um it's been a long road coming. Um, as I mentioned a couple meetings ago, this has been probably the one of the most challenging budgets as far as um, having available resources to expand and grow. Um, but at the same time, this is probably the most comprehensive budget that I've produced. And I'm going to kind of show you some of the different sections and a little bit of changes that have been made to this budget report than in in years past. Um, I'm not going to spend too much time on this um, slide right here because Chris, Mr. Chris Hwat did um, steal a little bit of my thunder and talked a lot about these different points. Uh but just to kind of reiterate, we do have uh labor agreements that are established for the next three years. So the the personnel components of the budget is uh pretty uh solid and and known at this time. We are continuing to invest in public safety through measures J20 that includes um the continue uh construction of the training center um and at and at the Union Road Station. We also have u investments in infrastructure. Uh I kind of did two slides on accident there, but 25 million is appropriated to road maintenance over the next two years in addition to the about 40 million that's already budgeted. So really we have a lot of dollars that are programmed to the roads we just need to get under construction. The uh as Mr. Huat mentioned the with revenues flattening staffing adjustments have been very modest. We're we're um recommending less than two full-time equivalents um all coming out of the supplemental sales tax fund in in public the police department. We do have the spaceport license, our um consultant work programmed in there so that we could um expand our economic resiliency as well as the visual arts and public places that 50,000 per year um to help upgrow and expand that program. And then as Mr. Hiat mentioned we are meeting all of our minimum reserve policies at 30%. Um as well as that section 115 trust which is in another 11 to12 million that's tucked away there. As Mr. Huat mentioned this is the ninth meeting that we've had when it comes to budget discussions and goals. Um here's a little bit of a quick little timeline um here starting back in November time. Uh ramping up pretty significantly in April and May and then here we are to adopt the budget. The budget is broken down to eight sections. Um I I like to think that each one of these sections can be read in a standalone document. It it depends on what the reader is looking for. If the reader is looking just for a very high overview of the city, what it does, um its annual budgets, kind of the themes, where it's going, that's stay in the section one under the introductions. Um if the readers want to actually dive into some fund statements, again, we're getting accounting that we're getting the actual budget numbers. uh that's in section two. But in addition to just providing numbers and schedules, um there was actually um um verbiage, some added clarity to tell the story about what's going on in each one of these funds, both historically and in the future. So each one of these fund schedules have five years in the past of history and five years forward looking with the first two years of the forward looking being this two-year budget. Uh moving on, section three is authorized positions. So, if anybody's interested to how the city is staffed, every single um itemized position is is located in that section. We get into department overviews, which gets away from funds and talks more about the departments, kind of what they do, what they have done, and what we're um anticipating them to do in the future. Very detailed section of capital improvements where it breaks down every single individual capital improvement, its funding sources, when we think it's going to go under construction and the like. And then we get into kind of the latter sections where if we really want to get deep in the budgets where I kind of like like it's almost like this the second side of a a vinyl album track or whatever, right? We get some of the deep tracks with the interfund transfers and long-term debt. Those are are are shown there too. Um but then more importantly um is is the appendencies which is the last section. It's kind of a catchall. We we throw some resolutions in there, fiscal policies, acronyms, glosseries. But one thing I did add uh to the document this year was how to read the budget document. And so there is about four pages that really try to break this down into bite-sized chewable pieces with examples in and and the like on the right hand side. So those are on pages 214 um to 217. So this is this is a new um piece of it. I thought about putting in the front of the budget book, but it kind of didn't really fit. So um but it is there as the first part of the appendices. Um and then similar to what we did two years ago, um we we will produce a budget in brief. Um it's about an 8 to 10 pager that kind of really summarizes um the budget book. Um the budget book is 250 pages, so it is it is a little bit of a beast. Um I'm just going to go over really briefly over some of these different sections um and then u get out of the way for um budget adoption. So the first part of the the of the uh budget report is the city manager messages. So that is the kind of that 10,000 foot level of kind of where we we're at and where we see the economy kind of going. Um the next two sections and I'm going to turn it over to Mr. David Malowitz to talk about the goals and initiatives. But we put the goals and priorities and the work plans right at the front of the budget document so that the breeder again know understands what the plan city is planning on doing um over the next couple years. Um with that I'm going to take a pause. I'm gonna turn it over to to Dave to kind of talk about the the strategic plan and work plan and then I'll jump back in. Thank you, David. >> Thanks, Ryan. Mayor, members of council, uh, yes, as you, as you can see, we finally wrapped up the strategic work plan. As Ryan mentioned, this is part of the budget package. So, one of the things that you'll notice in the recommendation is to approve the entirety of the budget. This is a component of it. So, it's not a separate piece that you're approving individually. It is a part of the entire budget package. Just wanted to make that clear because there wasn't just so everybody understands. Um add- additionally by adopting this you are adopting that vision statement that you guys so eloquently put together and it will be what we use as staff as a foundation for how we develop our services how we manage our our department and what service levels we put out to our community. So that is the guiding document that is what we use as staff to make sure that we're making sure that we meet all the demands and vision that the city council set forth for the next two years. In the final document in your packet you'll notice we made it very pretty. So, Jacob Green and Associates did a really good job at taking everything that we had worked so diligently together on, packaged it up, made it look really good. Um, we, you know, didn't make significant changes on anything. We made minor tweaks, but what we had was very, very good. We incorporated all the comments that were made from the city council and from the public. Um, particularly there's one of importance and our folks from um, caps were here. We used uh their studies and what they did and we incorporated that into the housing component. We heard that that was an important part of what council wanted to do is make sure that we are continuing the affordable housing track and then we were doing the best that we can to make sure that we have available housing options for all of our community members. So those goals are in there. That was an important part of council. We heard you. We wanted to make sure it was in there. So that is in the economic development section. Additionally, I wanted to point out this is another one that has continually brought up community interaction and comments on is establishing the downtown alley beautifification project. So, that is still in there. That's uh Paul in within the community economic development. We'll be working with Warren and his team to move that ball forward. We still continually get questions and calls on what's going on with the alleys, when are we going to start this program. So, want to let you all know we hear it. we put it in the strategic document and we're going to make sure that that becomes a reality in the next two years in one shape form or another. But great job, really proud of all the staff members, the directors, everybody that was part of this process. As city manager Huat mentioned at the beginning, this was a team effort. I mean, we started this back in November for recall and here we are today with the final document to guide us. And as uh city manager Huat mentioned in one of our other work sessions, this has gone through iterations throughout the years and we're getting better and better each time we do it. So, we're proud to present it to you. We're proud to have this as part of the budget and we as staff members look forward to completing these goals and initiatives to the best of our ability and continuing to work with you guys for the next two years. So, thank you. >> Okay, >> great. Sorry, one more thing. Sorry. We will be providing quarterly updates on this as well. So, this isn't one of these things that we put in and we vote it and we don't hear about it again. We're going to be bringing this back. This will be brought before you in quarterly updates to let you know where we are and we'll keep the pulse on it for the next two years. >> Perfect. Thank you, David. And then lastly the the on section one, we have been over the last several budget cycles um submitted our budget to the government finance um assoc officers association um for distinguished uh reporting um awards and so we plan to continue to do that again uh this year. Uh moving on to section number two, this is the this is where you actually get into the numbers the piece of it. Um it again the the how to read the budget kind of explains why we do fund accounting uh you know the the difference in budgeting for fund accounting versus the a private sector. Um but this really is your 10,000 foot level and then we get into a little bit more detail with funds. So all the operating funds, the general fund, water, supplemental sales tax, the sewer and and the like. Um and it kind of goes breaks down into even further revenue sources. Um what revenue types, what expenditure types, what divisions and and the like. And again like I had mentioned um it does look five years in in the past and five years into the future I think is is a pretty good context. Uh the next piece of it is just taking a look at just department specific. So we don't necessarily care about the funding source or how they're they're um spending the money. We just want to know what they're doing or how what they've been doing the last year. And so each department so we have eight departments um from city manager's office to my department and admin services, police, fire, public works, right? and the like. Um all broken down um by department highlights, year review, uh kind of division overviews, budget overviews, staffing trends, and organizational um assessments and the like. Yes, sir. >> Did you skip section three intentionally? >> I did skip skip section three intentionally. It's it's I kind of mentioned in the in the intro um it's personnel related um items and it's just lists each individual employee. some some his his staffing trends. And I think actually it is exciting because um I think if you recall in in uh April time we had that that slide on up here where we showed um f positions in 2008 and right and finally in 2022 we we got to 2018 or no 2008 I'm sorry um staffing level. So that was um quite impressive. Next session is capital improve um the capital improvement program. uh we take a five-year outlook when it comes to CIP. Um and so we we track these in kind of different project types with road maintenance kind of being the top of of mind, but we have a lot of transportation projects, parks and wreck, facilities and and the like. Um each again each individual project has its pretty pretty much its own individual page that talks about the project description, the amount and the funding sources. I'm going to skip six, seven, and eight, nine, 10. Um so with that m Mr. Mayor the total uses the total overall budget for the city for the first year 2627 is 148 million493 or sorry $493,200 and then the second year it decreases just slightly to 147,249,000 >> million >> 147 million right? >> Huh? >> 147,249,000 they missed the speaker. Um, so that's the budget. And then as far as the the typical recurring action is the GAN limit. The GAN limit is a calculation the state um requires cities to do to make sure we're not overt taxing our um citizens. And so the GAN limit this year is 74.5 million. Um it's about 13.7 under that limit is the actual revenue that's subject to it. So we're about 80 82% of the GAN limit um today. >> So with that, Mr. Mayor, happy to answer any questions. going into further detail or or whatever council's pleasure. >> Thank you, Ryan. Questions of Mr. Cornell. >> Yeah. Um I'd like to have Mr. Malowitz come up and read the mission statement to us, please. >> I am so glad you asked that because actually when I sat down, I was like I had it I literally had that marked. I was like >> it looked like you were going to say it. >> My fingers were not working with me. So absolutely the vision statement from the city council reads as follows. To sustain a safe, vibrant and resilient community that preserves pasobels's pasobels unique character while advancing economic vitality and a high quality of life for residents, businesses, and visitors. >> Great. >> Sounds good. >> And I I don't you think the budget does that quite nicely? >> I do. Absolutely. This gentleman here has worked very diligently to ensure that it does. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Other questions? Council Councilman Beiel. >> I want to acknowledge the work in sort of aligning the goals, the objectives, the work plan, and the budget at every different level. And recognize we've got like short, medium, and long-term things going on here. So, I think it ties together really well. I like the the new process we've been working. It was a cold rainy day in November when we started this. You remember um I think you know a lot of things actually most of the things have been sort of uh incorporated through our multiple conversations. We've had several meetings on this. I am Can you go to your slide or no you probably it's not on your slide. I have the note of it on page 10 of the budget doc. It has the kind of picture graphic of the different goals and under the economic development goal there's the line item around local procurement and I it came up in November. It's been coming up every time there's been a lot of consensus around it. I think it's really important to have that explicitly identified in the work plan and I thought it was going to go back in in there but I don't see that it's gone back in there and so I'd be curious what my colleagues think and yep I totally agree with that I mean it's something we've been talking about for a while but I think it's important that we get this consensus through council and get it into the document somehow so this is how what we want to kind of see happen so >> and it be something as simple as and you could probably come up with some words but identify opportunities to invest public uh uh procurement dollars in local businesses like just identifying I think it's especially well timed right now with the reorganization or the organizational assessment of public works and community development so of course it's in Paul's department and he's not here uh so I think all the more reason we should add it to the document Absolutely. That that is one of the ones that we did add. Um it's in the goal six efficient and effective governance. >> Did I miss it? Is it in governance? >> Yeah, I I'll go ahead and read it for everybody. Um it's part of the develop and implement a coordinated public information outreach plan to improve transparency, consistency, and community engagement across all communication platforms. and it reads, "Enhance outreach and communication regarding city public bidding opportunities by increasing awareness of upcoming projects and exploring workshop opportunities to help local contractors to better understand city bidding and procurement processes. And the underlining goal with that is to get the information out more especially to our local companies so that they understand how to put bids in how to you know how the process works what addendums look like and that's where the workshop component comes in and along with our management analyst who's working diligently on our communication. We'll develop that through the coming year. >> City manager >> I I apologize. >> No, you're good. It's too small. >> Yes. >> But but thank youelcome. So I mean does everybody feel okay that that's sort of capturing it and we can kind of follow up >> using local trades as much as we can. That's is for sure that's >> Yeah. Absolutely. So thank you and apologies. >> No, you're welcome. Thank you. >> I we need micro magnifying glass. >> You need a magnifying glass. It's right there. >> Any other questions from council? >> Okay. Then we're going to open up then the public. Anybody have a question on this item? Please come forward. >> Okay. and bring it back to council. Do we have anybody online? >> No, sir. >> Okay. So, we'll bring it back to council for direction and or action. >> Mayor Hammond. >> Pro Tim Gregory. >> I move that we approve resolution 26XXA adopting the operating capital improvement budget for fiscal years 2627 and 2728 as presented for all funds expenditures and direct the city manager to implement the budget. Second. Actually, I can I say something now before we move forward? >> Now that I'm really focusing in this small print, I just wanted to read this again and make sure we're clear on it. I'm not sure if it sort of reflects my thinking of the local procurement issues. Enhance outreach and communication regarding city public bidding opportunities by increasing awareness of upcoming projects and exploring workshop opportunities to help local contractors to better understand city bidding and procurement processes. I think that's excellent work. I think that's important work. I'm not sure if that says we'd like to see, you know, we have a preference for local hire. We you get extra points on your bid if you have x number of local jobs. And I know that there's a lot of different ways to sort of get there. And I don't want to prescribe where where we're going, but I'm not sure that this actually gets us more local hire. Maybe a question for Chris Huad, the legal counsel on how we can handle this. >> Maybe I just make a quick comment. So, as we were reviewing the council's comments uh around this particular item, uh staff didn't necessarily hear that there was a desire to comprehensively revisit our local policies around um around uh local contracting in that. If that's the case, then we can certainly substitute language here that says, you know, that the city council would like staff to review our local procure, you know, our local contractor and vendor procurement policies and bring those back for further discussion and review. We're happy to do that. uh staff's thought here was we could first start by educating better educating and and engaging with our local contractor community uh to ensure that they are aware of our processes and our procedures. Um but if if there's certainly >> there's certainly room here if the count if there's a majority of the council that wants to amend the language, we can certainly do that. >> Point point of order. We have a motion and a second on the floor. >> Okay, we'll hold that. But um >> so we're in discussion. Yeah, this is discussion. Okay, >> there's discussion. I would say I don't think that the budget document is the right place for that. That's in council policies and that's in goals and policies, not budget. It has nothing to do with dollars and cents. It has to do with procedures. >> I I think um your your comments are are well intended, Council Member Bill. I I think the language uh that Mr. MO it's red um broadens the opportunity for local contractors to get involved should they they want to get involved. Um when we've taken this up before at the school board and here locally um some contractors as much as they want to be involved locally in that bidding process they're not qualified >> for a variety of reasons and so they they don't bother to bid. I and I think educating uh themselves of what what is available makes sense. I think this is a great first step, but I have to agree with Council Member Strong that this this is more of a policy decision that that we need to maybe address outside of of this. I I believe and I don't know what staff envisions as far as the education process and the outreach process, but I'll trust them to to have that best interest at heart because you're right, we need to support our local folks. We absolutely have to support them as much as we possibly can. Yeah. Again, let me weigh in on that too. Again, I was discussing in before with the fact that back in the day, and I know that Warren probably remembers this too, that u when we had uh back in the 2011, 2010, we didn't have anything going on. We dropped our development impact fees to nothing basically to get something happening from building. We ended up seeing a lot of the valley builders come over here buying up the properties and using all their trades and basically no one benefited from our loss of development impact. So that's I think kind of what the intent is here. And I agree that we can certainly do this outside the budget to give staff some sort of a um direction that we want to try to encourage local trades and and especially when we have city projects, but even that, you know, when we have um private projects going on that we want to have them give us a list of suppliers and biders that we see that they're using local and the intent is to encourage local trade. So that's the only way to do it. Um, so I think, you know, at this point the language is okay with me that they addressed it. I think maybe we can bring this up later with Mr. Huat and try to get some other direction to staff in the future. Chris, what do you think? >> Um, mayor, the the work plan that that you have in front of you is really where we're going to be spending time and and staff time and resources for the next two years. So, if the council wants to see an update or or some policy development around uh some sort of local vendor preference, I think it would be appropriate to include it in the strategic work plan again to give staff if if if there's consensus to give us direction today that you want us to start to work on that in the next couple years. Certainly, you can always come back later in the fiscal year and say staff, we want to start looking at this outside of this process. But if we know today that that language isn't precisely what you want to see or if there's more that you want to see, then I do think it would be appropriate to to to make that amendment should the majority of the council want to do so. >> I' I'd kind of like to see where that language takes us. Um calendar out anything more specific. Um I I think our our local contractors deserve to weigh in on it, too. Sometimes we have grants that are very specific on what what and who can bid on something because of either specialized equipment, etc. Uh we can't no need to go into all the nuances here tonight, but I'd like to see that language take root and see where it goes and if we need to come back with something more robust with more teeth. And I probably failed to mention too what we envision was uh these these workshops or these engagements with local contractors not only educating them about the city's process but also gaining some feedback about our process as well. So there would be that opportunity uh for two-way dialogue. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So any other discussion on the on the motion? >> I appreciate Mr. Huat's conver, you know, comments about like this being an appropriate time if we agree on this to provide direction because this is two years. This is the staff's marching orders and with clear direction about you what matters to us and what doesn't matter to us. And I know that over the course of the six months there has been significant consensus around um you know the value of investing public dollars that we receive tax dollars from our people and having that go back into the community into local businesses that those dollars recycle over and over. And I think that this is the right time. Again, there are a lot of different ways to accomplish that. I I don't think like having I think there's value in kind of these uh educational meetings with uh vendors and contractors to share information. I think there's value in that. But that does not get us any closer to saying how how what would it look like if we wanted to hire more local people? What are the different forms that that could look like? And so I think it's important to have something more specific in here to provide marching orders for the staff to explore it, to report back to us about what some of our options are. And again, this has an economic benefit to our community. Um, we've talked about it over and over and I think this is the right place to put it in the document. >> Okay. Uh, any other discussion then on the motion that we have up on the table? >> No. >> Okay. We'll call for the question. >> Council member Gregory. >> Yes. >> Council member Bosch. >> I. >> Council member Beiel. >> Council member Strong. >> I. >> Mayor Hammond. >> I. Vote passes unanimously. >> Thank you. I can't. >> So, Chris, you have the staff direction to look into, Chris. Okay. >> Okay. I move to approve resolution 26x6x6x6x6x6x6x6x6x6x6x6xb declaring necessity to incur a bonded indebtedness of proposed city of Pastor Community Facilities District. Wait a second. I'm reading the wrong thing. >> Yeah. Yeah, you're on number two. >> Roll down the hill here. Hold on. Hold on. Sorry. Sorry. Approve resolution 26xx. Too many 26xxs. Yeah. Anyway, adopting the $74,517,600 as the city's appropriations limit for the fiscal year ending in June on June 30th, 2027. >> Second. >> Okay. A motion by Gregory, second by Strong. Discussion. >> All right. We'll call for the questionary. >> Council member Gregory. >> I. >> Council member Bosch. >> Hi. >> Council member Beiel. >> Hi. Council member Strong. >> I, >> Mayor Hammond, >> I. >> Motion passes unanimously. >> Very good. Okay, moving on then. We have uh city management report. Mr. Who? >> Uh, yes. Thank you, Mayor. Three items tonight. First, uh about a week or change ago, we had a pretty significant uh intrusion on a on a 10-in water line at Crestston and Nibck. Uh major intersection shut down traffic. I just wanted to give a special shout out to uh variety of different staff uh from the utilities department, police, fire, public works, city manager's office, and others who really stepped up and helped with traffic control and repairing the issue uh getting getting water customers notified. Uh all the above. It really was a team effort. So, I just wanted to recognize and thank everyone. Those things happen uh and they're inconvenient. And uh in this case though uh all ended well as we were able to get that repaired and and water back and restored. Uh also wanted to let the public know that uh earlier this week uh we uh were able to get the spaceport RFP on the street. Uh this is the RFP that was authorized by this council back at your March meeting where you met with the airport commission and the planning commission. Uh this RFP uh is seeking consultants or a consultant uh to help with the final steps, the final paperwork and documents that are necessary uh to obtain spaceport license for the Pass Robles airport. Uh we envision getting uh the recommendation to you for a contract probably in September. Uh and then from there, we're estimating somewhere between 18 to 24 months to see that process through and get us to the finish line, which is pretty amazing uh to be at this point considering where we were at four years ago. And then just uh staff wanted to to let you all know I think on your one of your upcoming slides, you're going to talk about future city meetings. And just note uh we had a late case cancellation of the airport meeting, airport commission meeting. So that will not be held on the 25th. That meeting is is canled. So, I just wanted to note that and thank you, mayor. Appreciate it. >> Very good. Thank you, Chris. Council business and committee reports like to start. >> I thank you. I just have one thing. Uh I was invited to give a a brief talk at a high school graduation with the Field Institute. And a lot of these people were uh adults, parents, farm workers, and they were receiving their high school diploma after two years, in some cases four years where they took night school all this time. And it was just a really beautiful thing. And I I just want to acknowledge that and because I know a lot of people here do a lot of work in different educational opportunities and it is powerful. So here's to the grad graduates. >> Very good. Thank you Chris. Councilman Bal. >> I have nothing to report. All right. Councilman Strong. >> Yes, I do have a few things to report. Uh last week I spent four days in Tulsa, Oklahoma at a conference nationally on housing, economic development and and transportation. And I'm pleased to say uh I sit on that board of directors representing all the cities of the United States and that's the board for all the regional governments of the United States and we are all working together on transportation bill with the house. So the house version of the house of the transportation reauthorization has now changed so that there will be more automatic money coming less grant money. You don't have to go over after as many grants because instead that money will be automatically given to you so that our region can then uh make the determination as to who gets how much and for specific projects we make that decision ourselves. So it means it will greatly increase the city of Pasarro's money available for transportation and inf and infrastructure >> and uh if if it passes both the house and the senate and the president signs the bill. If not then it's somewhat in doubt but right now they're listening very much to our joint efforts between the organizations at the national level which is very encouraging. Would that be routed through Slowcog then? Is that how the >> the money would go to Slowcog through Slowcog to Gus? >> Okay. And uh and also there would be some that come directly to us without going through so >> but uh the big difference is how much their theirs would be increased. And secondly, uh I chaired yesterday a meeting of the rail board for our Pacific Surfliner Railroad. And in that one, we we did have a tremendous problem with one of our members not understanding our own rules and trying to change who was going to run the railroad. uh we were able to defer any consideration of that particular item to a date to clarify to them the rules that we do operate under because they they had 14 paragraphs that had totally wrong information. One paragraph that just gave their minimum qualifications for the job. So it was just an individual agency out for their their own interests. Unfortunately, they've also uh convinced a state senator that uh their information is correct and the state senator is pressuring us also. So, we're communicating directly with the state senator to make sure that things get straightened out. Uh beyond that, we did have a discussion item on Senate Bill 1098 which is going to give us a whole lot lot of new rules and it's asking for our comments on them by is date certain which was Jan July 1. July one doesn't work because we don't have any meetings by then. So, we went back to uh the administration for that and got their permission to submit beyond that date to as late as uh August 1. And if we submit in that time, they will then take it into consideration as an addendum. So, we're moving ahead and those those are those are my reports for this time. >> Thank you, Fred. Prom Gregory. >> Yeah. Um, I had the good fortune of spending some time with Mr. Huat and visit slow and we both noticed a few things like Firestone making a beer for them. Pastor Robel's prominently named there and they've actually recognized the beerfest and sensario. So, they actually had a booth at the beerfest. So, um, something's going on with visit slow. Probably they want a renewal or something, but whatever. It's all good. And then um I just want to say um I think you should all um go downtown in the park and walk around at 9:00 at night on a Friday night or a Saturday night. I was so entertained by so many young kids like there's a group of boys that there's a guy in a cowboy hat playing music and they go can we play a song? So these kids came up and sang this really nice, beautiful song. One played the guitar. So, there's a lot of really nice music and there's so many people enjoying our park at nighttime. It's such a great extension of our community. So, it's nice to see it work. So, and other than that, everything's good. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, Steve. Uh, for me, I basically had um a few things. I did a radio interview with K News St. Louis and then u the fifth annual safety fest, which was great uh down at the park. Uh they used the east half of the park this time. I think it was very well done. Um and then we also had of course the integrated waste management meeting that I did. Also I attended my own mom's uh 99th birthday over the weekend. That was pretty cool too and great to see her make it that far. So it's all I had personally. Um >> Mayor Hammond. >> Sure. You're done. Uh just two things for future consideration. We had two um items come up tonight. J6, we talked about our senior uh center. Uh I think we've all kind of talked a little bit about our endowment. >> Um that needs some attention. Can we bring that back on a future agenda item? >> Yeah, I think that would be good if everybody's good. I think uh I mentioned that Chris that used to be Rotary used to put that on to bring it up and it's time that maybe some service club step up again and maybe make that happen again. That's something we can talk about. And uh somebody brought up uh the data center. Um I know some cities are taking poison pill options about data centers. Uh it might be good to just bring that back and just get legal's opinion on what some of our options are. Agree with that consensus on that to bring it up on agenda item or at least a >> okay discussion on Yeah. Thank you. >> All right. >> Moving on. Then we have upcoming events uh tomorrow night. Actually tomorrow afternoon at 4:30 we have the community service advisory body's uh special joint recognition meeting here at Centennial 4:30. Uh then we have city office is going to be closed in observance of Junth day. Um and that's going to be on the 19th. Development review committee is going to be the June 22nd 4 p.m. Planning Commission meeting here in this room June 23rd 6:30. Uh as Mr. Huat said we have the pastor Robels uh airport commission is going to be cancelled uh for June 25th 2026. Coffee with the city, roads, transportation, infrastructure, June 26, 7:30 at Calos beer at the patina room. Uh DRC development committee again June 29th at 4 pm. Passels youth commission advisory committee meeting July 1st at 5:00 pm. City offices are going to be closed for Independence Day July 3rd and I expect everybody will be at the July 4th uh fireworks and Barney Schwarz. Uh development review committee is going to be back again at July 6th 4 p.m. Library trustees u board of trustees July 9th at 9:00 a.m. Past rebel senior citizens advisory committee meeting July 13th at 1:30. Again development review committee is at July 13th 4:00 downtown city hall. Pastor Robel's parking recreation parks and recreation advisory committee meeting July 13th at 4 pm. Next planning commission meeting is going to be July 14th at 6:30. Development review committee again July 20th 4:00 p.m. And then our next city council meeting is going to be in here in Norroom July 30 21st 6 pm. And I believe that makes all the announcements that a lot of them that we're going to be here. Any other further discussion from councel? >> Okay. Looking for adjournment. >> Move to adjourn. >> Okay. We have a motion by Gregory and second by Bos. All in favor? >> I. We stand ajourned. Thank you. Great job.

okay got it good evening I'd like to call the Planning Commission meeting to order for February 25th 2020 please rise and join me for the Pledge of Allegiance okay roll call please Commissioner Kobler Commissioner Neil here commissure barth Commissioner jorgeson we're sure Donaldson here Commissioner Castillo here chairperson Davis here so the record will reflect that Commissioner Barth is absent yes he did announce that last time and how about staff introductions warned phrase Community Development Director welcome all right thank you then it is now time on our agenda for any general public comments regarding matters not on tonight's agenda and it looks like we have Larry Ward coming Larry um Warner coming forward good evening Larry Werner 741 Orchard Drive I just wanted to let everybody know that today is a very special day and it's not my birthday it's not because we're having debates on TV tonight it's because today marks the 25th anniversary of the dedication of the City Council our City Hall Library facility I was digging through my old treasures in the attic and I found this invitation that was February 25th 1995 the dedication of this building and in the library you were there I was there you were there there are a lot of people there there was great history on this thing how them the money was raised through an organization called acorn and to see this happen you know I mean to see what we've had and what we've been able to take advantage of is just remarkable it was a really interesting event because Ray Bradbury the author was there and he spoke he signs mine there so it was an incredible event so it's just I just happened on this a couple days ago and just went wow we should remind ourselves how lucky we are thank you thank you for that Betty history Larry any other general comments public comments regarding matters not on tonight's agenda seeing no further comments coming forward we'll move on to any agenda items proposed to be tabled or risk there are none all right thank you and that leads us to agenda item 1 I'll read the description for us here all this technology now this is pretty exciting conditional use permit 19-12 planned development 19 - 16 an oak tree removal 19-25 can I have a snap report please and that's Darcy yes thank you good evening madam chair and members of the Commission me bear with me while I get this going gonna advance new technology but it's frozen well we'll go back to some old technology so the item before you tonight is a request for approval of a conditional use permit and development plan to establish an outdoor storage yard on the vacant lot adjacent to an existing industrial park so this is a three point two eight acre site it's owned by the city the applicant mr. J Hammond is leasing the site from the city and he will be subleasing the site as part of this project it is in the airport plan development overlay zoning district so the plan is to create three separate lease sites on this outdoors within the outdoor storage yard itself so Simba is become one of the companies that would be leasing the site closest to Airport Road there a commercial agricultural supply company they will be doing vehicle and tank storage so there's going to be 14 12 thousand gallon called poly tanks for fertilizer fertilizer material and they would also have a 4,500 square foot indoor commercial space as also also the remaining two acres of the site would be used for just general outdoor storage I'm not sure that leases have been determined yet for those other areas so then also as part of the request is the oak tree removal so there's two oak trees on the site and just so you understand that the that action is that before you tonight is a recommendation to City Council's the oak tree removals will go to City Council in this case you'd be making a recommendation based on the site plan the trees could be retained on the site if the City Council denied the request term of them so here's the site location map and I've highlighted in yellow the outdoor storage yard so this is you know on the east side of Airport Road just north of the pretty much as nor the northernmost end of all the industrial parks that are along Airport Road I've also highlighted the indoor storage area where the they would be doing Simplot would be having some maybe some office equipment indoor storage for materials that can't be that wood wouldn't necessarily be in the outdoor area they need to be protected from the elements access from the air to the storage yard would be through the existing industrial park so there's some driveways and I have a kind of closer up site plan to show you that so the least area i've delineated least area one so that would be four Simplot so you you'll notice that there would be a new tank farm also see if I can get this so this blue area that would be the indoor storage let's see so some thought they're gonna be having one two and five ton trucks being stored on the site as I mentioned there the tanks would have fertilizer products chemical storage inside the building the remaining two acres would be for future tenants so here I've delineate at least area two and then also at least area three also I wanted to call out where the access gates are again being accessed through the existing industrial park and so here are the oak tree removals the first is tree number one which is closer to Airport Road is a 12 hybrid Valley blue oak and the 31 inch tree further back is a Valley Oak so the first tree is in poor condition so Cory Meier did the arborist report and noted that it's important dition it's stressed and it is showing signs that the trunk is susceptible to splitting so he recommended that that should be removed the second tree which is much larger tree you can see that it has kind of a one-sided canopy so it has to die back on the canopy and I have a picture showing that there's been past branch failure this one seems to be in a more stressed condition and and arbors also recommends removal and in the event that the trees were asked to be to be retained on site the city council denied the request we do have a condition of approval in this development plan that would require protection of the trees and just make you know for the duration of the project so here's a perspective view this would be looking south east on Airport Road so I've called out the outdoor storage yard and indoor storage for the Simplot lease so here a long Airport Road the green strip is really just highlighting the landscape requirements so an outdoor storage yard there we have performance standards in our zoning code that require a minimum of the 25-foot landscape landscape setback along an arterial in this case Airport Road is an arterial but one of the things with the outdoor storage yard to make it compatible and this in this area would also staffs recommending that that be extended 50 feet inward into the project so that 25-foot landscape setback would extend inward to provide additional screening opportunities also the performance standard for outdoor storage uses includes a decorative wall and so the applicant does propose to have perimeter fencing in this case we would similar similar to the landscaping wrapping around it would be good too the more decorative fencing wrap around just at that corner so as you're coming southbound on Airport Road you would you know would kind of help increase the look in that area so the applicants proposing to use chain-link with slots for all of the perimeter fencing staff is recommending in order to comply with that zoning code requirement for a more decorative material without going full masonry attract some material so I actually have a sample that of that material and I'll hop I have staff pass it around so this material was proposed for a battery storage for an e V charging station on Spring Street and so they had a fenced enclosure and they proposed this trucks material stuff thinks that it meets that more decorative quality without being overly decorative the when the item went to the DRC the DRC thought that chain-link would probably be adequate with with a an efficient amount of landscaping so knowing that there's that 25-foot landscape setback it is possible to chain-link could work but staff believes that Trek's is a heart it meets that decorative quality without being a masonry and just to note that the DRC did think that masonry would be a little overkill at this location just because of the industrial setting and the maintenance over time just even if appropriate all right so I did want to kind of add in a condition a clarification to condition number four just to note that the fencing staff did intend for it to wraparound along with the landscaping so this is a modification just enter into the record it was not written that clearly in the staff report you have tonight so this slide kind of just shows some of the specific items that were identified in the conditions of approval outdoor storage yards are appropriate in the airport zone it's a commercial industrial area but really we're just looking at how to increase its compatibility for via the use of screening with with walls or fencing and then in landscaping so in this case there's minimum landscape buffers so 25 feet long Airport Road and then to wrap around the applicant proposes to have landscaping also on the northern boundary there's a condition that requires landscape plan be prepared by a licensed architect and that what this would do would we would get a landscape plan that shows that the spacing between plants the the species and then anything else that would help you know just make sure we're getting enough plants in that area also the the fencing so it would be an 8 foot tall fence staff is recommending that the the material be specifically attracts or similar instead of the chain-link and for that to be a long airport road frontage and again to wrap around inward into the project site and lastly I wanted to note that staff added a condition to limit the future use of the site and since it is outdoor storage and the use would run with the land if in the future we had let's say like an outdoor vehicle storage or RV storage or tow yard we might want to revisit that so essentially that would require if somebody came forward to use this outdoor storage for something that might we haven't identified that would come back for a modification to Cu P so the options before you tonight would be to prove the project as as as proposed which would include approving the conditional use permit and development plans I subject to site-specific conditions of approval also making a recommendation on the oak tree removal to Council another option might be to approve the project modifications again staffs recommendation on the material fencing is a little more specific as well as you know the wrapping the fencing and the landscape screening inward into the project site lastly you might want to refer back to staff or DRC for more analysis and or denied the project by adopting findings we do have the applicant here tonight to help answer any questions I'm also happy to answer any questions and that concludes my presentation okay thank you Darci and I'll ask the Commission do you have any questions of staff sure minimum landscape buffers I think you mean to say landscape plan prepared by a licensed Landscape Architect I agree with you do you think the actual condition reads like qualified landscape professional it might not even say landscape architect's but we don't know what a qualified landscape professional is I think it needs to say licensed landscaper in my opinion yes mark a few questions on the use itself the text and a site plan showed 14 tanks but the perspectives get you having a screen showed 20 explain the plan is for 14 tanks the perspective was very early one of the earliest versions but it was a good perspective we didn't get a second one so I thought it would just be helpful to display the information well as a part of the conditions that discusses the landscape and grading plan we'll the grading plan look at a spill containment area as part of this there's a hundred and sixty eight thousand gallons of material stored there and if there was ever kind of catastrophic event will a grading plan be such that it will try to contain that on site so I do know that our City Engineer looked at is looking at the grading plans they have been submitted concurrently with this request for the CP in the development plan and also the fire department so those specific concerns I believe would be addressed by the those two departments okay and final question does this limit the storage of just to this liquid fertilizer product or could they change products as a part of this sometime in the future so the way it's set up is that they could change the product if they're think that one of the conditions is broadly written to that storage to be those generally associated with you know the use of the site so they should they're not looking for them to change it from drastically from vehicle and tank storage or general outdoor storage in the back to lease areas but not specific enough that we would prevent them from making some changes if the new lessee would want to occupy the site yeah and I have no idea if they changed some of the materials or flammable implications or something to that but just curious thank you yes Garza just clarification - did I hear you correctly you said the direct fence that's recommending the trucks fencing wrap around the entire North border so not the entire North border but essentially on the screen where you see the green so that would represent landscape setback but okay but but also for the fencing to wrap around and meet up you know with the Lant the 50 50 feet inward essentially and into the project site both the landscaping and the trucks fencing and then for it to chain link beyond that great thanks for that clarification any other questions I have two Darcy so three point two eight eight acres one point to us for this storage what is the other storage going to do we know sue the applicant might be able to answer that I think that there may have been something in the works but there's nothing officially when we process the application that we could identify the other lease sites of who potentially would be there okay and then secondly has the Airport Commission reviewed this application or to what extent do they review it and what is their role so the Airport Commission didn't we didn't do a formal presentation of this this presentation to them I'm not sure if they did review it but the airport manager was aware of the project I know that the the least that the police of agreement itself went through City Council it's possible that the airport manager was involved in those meetings but the the site was essentially proved to be leased out for outdoor storage pending you know features conditional use permit development land actually three questions so did DRC make the decision to make it 50 feet wrapping around for the dancing and landscaper that was a suggestion posted ERC that staff recommended so really falling back to the performance standards for outdoor storage use and since the DRC was more comfortable was comfortable with not requiring a masonry wall so the way the performance standards are written it really suggested masonry and DRC felt otherwise that if there was you know adequate landscaping and you know a decent fence it could look appropriate at this location and we can meet that criteria so staff suggested that Trek's fencing since it's a little bit more decorative without you know decorative than the chain-link chain links typically not considered a decorative fencing material but then in addition to that to wrap that landscaping around and the fencing material around to just you know outdoor storage there's gonna be things that you're gonna see so if you could kind of just create a little bit of a buffer as you're coming into town into the city along Airport Road that was the intent behind it but kind of softens the view but the entire one would be fenced of some right so the rest of right so where the green is essentially that L shape would be 25-foot landscape set back landscaped area with attracts fencing material and then you'll see that there is some landscaping courser to work again so then there is some landscaping that goes along here yeah yeah and that's probably like a five foot I believe and then again that fencing right here would be then convert or transition to that chain link with slats okay as proposed or recommended by staff okay all right thank you so no further questions Commissioner questions of staff then I will open it up for a public hearing and perhaps we could go to the applicant first if you're interested yeah hi Jay my name is John Hammond the third I live on Vine Street I don't see that or not I have a kind of statement but it's already here thank you madam chair and planning commissioners I have a lease agreement to secure Simplot corporation as a tenant in my father's industrial park on propeller Drive this agreement is contingent upon having a storage yard and tank varmint for their operations directly to the north of the warehouse and the proposal you spot I have a tentative 50-year lease with the city of Paso Robles for the 3.2 acres but it is a contingent on Simplot and this storage yard going in if the conditional use is permit is approved I would be grading the area and adding a DG base and fencing the 3 acre area as Darcy was mentioning with required stormwater retention on site as well and in pursuit of simple ought to open a business some location Paso Robles and negotiated a firm fixed cost to improve this area in exchange Simplot would agree to a multi-year release so I kind of already have a tentative budget for this and I'm in agreement with the staff report except for the decorative fencing that they're proposing simple as requirement is for a knee-high fence chain-linked for security and for privacy and we would like to have the privacy slats installed this similar fence system was approved across the street over at G Wyman's a building that is just now finishing up he has an 8-foot fence with privacy slats only on the front we were proposing for privacy slats around the perimeter of our fence facing the north and the west and also the south but gee Wyman's project was also approved with just a privacy fence without having a trex decorative design the airport road elevation is to be heavily landscaped with trees and shrubs to screen the actual fencing material so similar to what the airport city has designed and built to the south side of the airport they also have the center very similar shrubs with privacy fence for an 8-foot fence so the city itself did the same exact thing so to make them change for me but the staffs recommendation for the Gateway for the seamy wall or sorry decorative fencing would be too costly and might jeopardize the loss of my tenant and possibly the 50-year lease with the city of Paso Robles for myself so the price the cost gets too excessive then we'll have to back out and then therefore you lose the 50 release from me so yeah thank you for considerations if you have any questions for me on the project yes they update us see see if we have any questions yes no any questions while he's at the podium can you address the containment question that I asked will there be provisions should any spillage occur to keep it on-site they do you have a retention area so unfortunately it's not on these slides but the foundation has have I think it's a 10 inch containment area inside their poly the toilet tank storage and then they have a retention basin that they'll be pumping out into another tank storage on-site so one of those 14 tanks is for retention any other questions while you're up there and what kind of other storage do you anticipate on the rest of the property so the lease area 3 I do have and Tom style who's currently a tenant of my father's they are gonna be using that for granite slab storage so it's just gonna be excess space for them so they're gonna be granite slabs on a frames I don't think they won't exceed a foot high height or anything so they should be pretty well screened least area - we are still looking for another tenant for that area we don't have anything as of yet but I would assume that we're probably trying to aim for something similar to like a Simplot or we'd have some commercial truck storage possibly some equipment storage as well so but right now we don't have a tip okay yeah thank you all right thank you so much and are there any other members of the general public who would like to comment in this item okay seeing none I will then close the public hearing and bring it back to the Commission for further comments and discussion just a point of clarification the wyman property is does not front Airport Road it is back off of Airport Road so I think when we approved the wyman project we took that into consideration but I was on DRC when this item came and based on the location we did not absolutely did not feel that masonry was the appropriate product for that fencing but I felt that the slotted chain-link would probably be fine in that location if the landscape was increased significantly so I think that's what that's what we talked about in DRC so that's was my position okay still is I'm sure being on DRC as well for that particular meeting I would echo Commissioner Neal's comments the thing I would wonder I would use the same language and it takes significantly more landscaping than what's shown that Prohm a plan to satisfy that buffering in my perspective I don't know what point in time the additional landscaping begins to get close to the tracks fencing another Trek's fencing is a much more expensive material it doesn't have durability issues or anything else that the slats may have over time but again I think it's going if if the slat fencing goes in with a chain like it's going to take more landscape material to buffer that okay and I do have a question of staff with that Darcy with that then go back to DRC for the landscape plan or to staff I think I read to staff so condition number five is written for landscape final landscape irrigation plans to be provided for a city staff review we can clarify that that if the Planning Commission desires that that would come back to the DRC and also in that condition number five as for Roberta I mentioned earlier to clarify the plans being prepared by a licensed Landscape Architect that might also be something that Commission might want to elaborate on when she Donaldson I see something coming forward yeah am i reading your mind I'm still trying to understand staffs the nexus of staff's recommendation for the trek specs and treks fencing thank you very much was that for lack of landscape or give me give me staff stake on that again please and if I may sorry before you answer Warren for some reason the first night we had this new system it sounded great but now I'm hearing more echo off the back and less out of these speakers here I could barely hear Commissioner cochlear when he was talking I don't know you can change anything but I'm not so we do have the technician in the back so we'll let him know that we're having problems okay I appreciate it is it just [Music] you can't hear either we're trying to read lips all right to jorgeson how about you Castillo can you hear okay but you can't hear that side very well I I think so mark in Commissioner Neal can you hear this side okay so your side's okay all right okay soon are you back there and I will say that some of staff's comments were a bit muffled I don't remember that from previous our last yeah the first time we use this it was greater clarity yeah okay so we'll report that to the text okay later that's great okay back to Commissioner Donaldson sorry for that sidetrack okay so we have in our section the zoning code that specifically applies to outdoor storage yards and it says that those uses within commercial industrial zones we need to use a combination of walls or fencing and landscaping and a long route or roads that that should be a decorative masonry wall unless approved otherwise approved by the Planning Commission so when the applicant proposed a chain-link fence staff does not consider that to be a decorative material so we got past the masonry but now we're just working with decorative so that's really what we're we had another material that was presented D or C had looked at it so the treks fencing seemed like it could be meet that requirement of the zoning code to provide more decorative quality and it was it's you know suggestion so the way the conditions also written is or similar so maybe there's something else similar so that if the Planning Commission doesn't agree with that material but maybe think something a little bit more than chain-link it could you know go in that direction okay I'm thinking about some of the storage yards like on combine Avenue that have the chain-link and really ugly white so it's specific to arterial roads so as we've heard about the winding project so that one is set back so that was that's like a four lot parcel map and that project is on on the back lot so if a project came forward on Airport Road that is storage use you know it's gonna require development plan a conditional use permit I daran might want to lab rate on that so I think you worked on it but we'd be looking at the same situation so it's possible then on the other side without Lyman site that this question could come up again of a decorative material so so the decorative material issues just on Airport Road you're saying honey arterioles in this case Airport okay thank you that's okay and then further south you mostly have buildings that align Airport Road for that stretch so there might be a few uses secondary uses to some of those buildings where you might have a fenced in area so chain-link is used in the area but in this case the outdoor storage you know the the requirement points to a decorative fence and it's specific to outdoor storage uses so through this conditional use permit and this development plan process that's where staff is taking that section of the zoning code and recommending that that decorative material be something higher than a chain-link material okay thank you for that if I can follow up can I ask you to our CI I drove out Ardmore and that I don't know if you would consider that a future arterial road but they have the slats and looked pretty nice I actually thought out in the Ardmore area the spur and and there were a couple of other new developments out there I don't know if we're considering that arterial yet but it's certainly part of her circulation plan so I'm pretty sure it's a collective defined as a collector just a memorial more information so hard more as a collector and I don't know if who was on the Planning Commission when case-specific came through case-specific was an example of wanting to use a chain-link fence and they were against that requirement to do something decorative and I think that in between the DRC and the Planning Commission the chain-link with a 5 foot setback was and what was approved for case as you can see a lot of development has happened on Ardmore the Dave spur project the building setback there was concern the outdoor storage from some of the residential to the south so that project had a setback they had I think tubular steel in the front before they transition to chain-link the yard next to Dave spur which is property he owns he fenced in chain-link all the way out to the street which was not part of the development plan for his yard so when that project comes forward we're gonna need to revisit the fencing on that property I know Daniels woman has their own design coming in on Airport Road we're gonna have the two parcels of the rest of that wyman project that are going to be up against Airport Road where we're going to be looking at the same kind of question who knows if there'll be have yards or not and we're hoping to have buildings maybe fronting the road with maybe any kind of storage in the back so we'll see how that design works out on Dry Creek Road we're anticipating an RV storage project coming in so right now we have Triana we've have you know different things and we have old yards that have been there forever like new no and then you transition to some extent accrues biotech so there's a lot of things going on out on Dry Creek as well so just when we look at the the outdoor storage requirement of the zoning code on an arterial is where this staffs suggestion of doing something more decorative than chain-link and status is where it's coming from chain-link on slide is typical no matter where you are whether it's a storage yard or not for for security so I think my concern since we're all talking here is that that the be ample landscaping and my sentiment is maintaining the slat and and enough landscaping would be sufficient that's kind of where I'm coming from I I know we're looking at land use but it's exciting to see something happening out the airport having Simplot there would be very exciting that's on the economic vitality aspect I know but I'm inclined to support DRC his recommendation are not recommendation but DRC's thoughts ma'am sure yes I would agree with you on that I I'm fine with the setbacks and the landscaping that uh commissioner nail commissioner Kohler suggested in their DRC meeting there's other chain-link fence along that road caddy corner to that location that's not as aesthetically pleasing it's right up on arterial road so I'm I would support that as well any other comments my only comment would be if we're gonna depend on landscaping we need to find a way to define well what the landscaping is since we don't have a plan I don't know how to do that okay first of all I would agree with them excuse me a comment that was just offered the the chain-link fence with slats that's pictured on page 13 of the report is a black fence post and I assume a black fence fabric I think there's chain link and there's chain-link I think the black is a lot more aesthetically pleasing than a galvanized product and so if we go with that I would identify that it's as stipulated and showing all the black fencing I think it's important back to you Roberta on your thank you for that any other comments well just to again second what Roberta said about the the landscape maybe we can put in the conditions of approval that that plan come back to DRC everybody feel comfortable with that I would be fine with that coming back okay a full landscape plan okay and we're there yet okay so madam chair I would move to approve draft resolution a excuse me have you seen it Exhibit C I believe it's page 22 it's but this is what we saw a DRC in DRC did not at least I did not feel that this was sufficient to allow the chain link so what we're looking at here represents the revised landscape plan staff you can staff help us out on that yes so this this plan was submitted posterior see the initial plan that was the deer seesaw had a much narrow setback I don't know if it was 5 feet 10 feet from Airport but this one was resubmitted to reflect a 25-foot landscape step back the it is the latest plan that was submitted it does not reflect the wrap around the corner sue that was a recommendation by staff so there is a note on the north west corner that's the 25 foot wide landscape area to wrap around the storage yard in extent and word 50 feet and it might be difficult to read so staff annotated the preliminary landscape plans to include that it is right here yeah so it sounds like the the Commission's an agreement on the chain link there the more decorative chain link as commissioner cog ler pointed out subject to landscape so the I think the best way to do that is maybe a more detailed plan escape plan come back to DRC hate to do that that's probably a better option financially than the in the treks anyways so so your motion and your motion stands well I didn't really get to do I got started so again madam chair moved to prove draft was a resolution a attachment to approving conditional use permit 19-2 in flat development 1916 19-12 I'm sorry in plan development 19 - 16 subject to conditions of approval with the changes to number four that the fencing the chain-link the black chain-link fencing with the slots is sufficient and number five that a more detailed landscape plan come back to DRC for review and approval all second okay so I have a motion from Commissioner Donaldson in a second from Commissioner meal point of clarification I'm sure yes there was discussion about the requirement for a landscape architect to be involved with the landscape plan that came back to DRC and I just want to make sure that we have that information if that's the Planning Commission because this plan here I believe is done by either the civil engineer the applicant and I just want to make sure if if the Planning Commission is looking for something more specific for that 25 feet and there was discussion about a landscape architect designing it I want to make sure we're putting that in a condition to come back to DRC well I don't think this what we've seen here is a screening design and I'm not sure that a civil engineer it depends on who it is obviously but as a in a category civil engineers not trained to do landscape design or irrigation so I would personally up to the Commission like see Landscape Architect provide a screening design which is the whole point and the reason that work that we have agreed to not have a decorative fence because this design isn't a screening design I think he's looking for what condition was that five and I'm comfortable with the addition of the landscape architect to provide the screening okay plan so I had that to the motion it sounds like my second is good with that as well so I do have a motion on the floor mr. Neil but the second and discussion okay seeing no more discussion I'll call for the vote mr. Donaldson hi commissioner Neil hi mister Kobler aye mr. Castillo hi Minister jorgeson chairperson Davis aye motion passes six zero and then we have a second motion resolution be Tasman three recommending approval of oak tree removal 19-25 to the City Council second to second from Neil from Commissioner Kobler and discussion and then I'll call for the vote Commissioner Donaldson hi come ashore Kobler I Commissioner Neal I come ashore Castillo High Commissioner Gerson hi chairperson Davis hi motion passes six zero all right and that moves us to agenda item 2 general plan amendment 19 - 0 0 3 rezone 19 - 2 0 3 planned development 19 0 13 and conditional use permit 19 - 16 yes madam chair members of the Commission this is a request actually the city initiated request for a series of entitlements for to allow for the first step homeless navigation Center this is the navigation Center proposed to be on the help of the wastewater treatment plant 3,100 Sulphur Springs Road this project includes a general plan amendment a rezone a development plan and a conditional use permit this vicinity map is showing where the proposed location is looking at the red dot on the screen here this is highway 46 East heading out towards Golden Hill Road this is highway 101 heading to the north off of the on-ramp to the highway is Sulphur Springs Road that goes to the wastewater treatment plant which is the facility up here to the north this small just over an acre site is the proposed location for the warming shelter so this is the site plan for it as you come in so onto Sulphur Springs Road coming into the site thus oriented a little differently than the vicinity map north would be to the left of the plan building would be located along with the parking lot along the side there's an existing oak tree here at the center and then this would be the area of the shelter site so the project consists of constructing a 7,500 square foot metal building that would accommodate up to a 48 bed dormitory-style homeless navigation Center and shelter facility tonight we're looking for a general plan amendment to the land use map the site where the shelter is located is currently zoned commercial service and we are looking to redesign eight that two public facilities also the zoning map needs to be amended changing the site designation from c3 commercial industrial to public facility and there are various text changes within the zoning code that tweaks here and there to different sections in order to accommodate this facility and align everything with this the shelter as proposed then along with that is the development plan for the site planning and the architecture and then the conditional use permit for the operation of the facility so looking at the zoning map right now the the whole site including the wastewater treatment plant is zoned commercial and light industrial so the the photo on the left or the diagram on the left is the current zoning map this red area here is what we're looking to change to what's shown on the right hand side is shown as public facilities the blue cross hatched area so the zoning amendment we're asking you to make a recommendation to Council for tonight would be to change that from the commercial c3 to the public facility the land use side of things is a little different on the left the wastewater treatment plan itself where the facilities are is already has a land use of public facilities but the lower section of the site where the shelter is proposed is zoned or as a land use designation of commercial service so we need to change this red area from commercial service to public facility so be consistent was with the rest of the wastewater treatment plan and then these are the sections of the text changes throughout the zoning code to align these sections with the project so this is a project that the city has is working with the El Camino homeless facility in Atascadero that organization runs the facility in Atascadero the city is looking at Echo running this facility as well Jeff Alma shot is here he's the director of the homeless program and will be involved with this he is here along with Julie Dolan who can give us they'll give us a little more feedback on the shelter project and why it has come up as a a goal for the city and then how Echo's involves what we're looking for the Commission to do tonight is to make recommendations on the mitigated negative declaration for the project the general plan amendment the rezone and the useful development plan on to the City Council so that one conclude the my report here but I think Julie Dolan will give us a kind of some background on the homeless program for the city of PAS so good evening commissioners here we go so just giving a brief overview of how we are here tonight and it has indeed been a long road to establishing homeless services in Paso Robles and frankly it was fraught with potholes the last time I addressed all of you in the Planning Commission but I have more optimistic news to share this evening as I present a brief recap of our progress we have established and we've been confronted with a variety of milestones as we make our way into what is very new territory for community services community development and the city as a whole our efforts began with City Council's November 2018 declaration of a shelter crisis in the city of Paso Robles this decision was based partly on the 2017 point-in-time count that indicated at least 97 people within the city were experiencing homelessness a number we suspected was vastly under estimating our challenge taking this step also qualified the city to apply for grant funds to begin to more significantly meet our needs and you may recall then that the city applied for the heat grant in 2019 the homeless emergency aid program is fun by the state and administered by San Luis Obispo County we had an extremely tight timeline in developing a plan and submitting an application the grant provides immediate one-time funding and required partnerships to qualify recognizing the sustained success of the El Camino homeless organization in overseeing a homeless shelter in Atascadero we gladly worked with Wendy Lewis and her staff to co-author a grant proposal in April 20 19 the SLO County Board of Supervisors awarded the city over 1.5 million dollars with a little over one third of the funds to support echo and the remainder to assist the city in constructing a warming Center meanwhile our suspicions of a more significant homelessness problem were confirmed with the release of the 2019 point in time count last August estimates jumped from 97 to over 200 people experiencing homelessness in Paso Robles underscoring the urgency of establishing homeless services in our community the city also recognized the complexities in developing policies designing and operating a warming center and generating sufficient funding to sustain these operations we received city council approval to extend our collaboration with echo contracting the services of a Paso Robles homeless services director employed by Echo Jeff Alma shot was hired last November and has been laying the groundwork for a successful homeless services Center for Paso Robles ever since Jeff as we said is present this evening and will gladly answer any questions that may arise regarding programming and though the future was at times uncertain I am happy to announce that design work is now well underway for the first step homeless services Center at 3100 Sulphur Springs Road we expect to break ground on the center this May and to begin operations in May of 2021 of course that's when the true work begins establishing paths out of homelessness for a good many people in partnership with echo the city will continue to engage our citizens for their understanding and support of these very necessary services we will work with existing social services agencies to bring their services to the clients at the center and we will seek additional grants as well as private donations to sustain operations tonight we continue the journey in making all of this a reality thank you Thank You Julie do we have any questions while Julie is here all right thank you so much you have questions for Darren for Darren okay on this general plan amendment is the public facilities designation is that is that new you said that this the treatment plan is currently so in public facilities so we currently have a public facilities or designation go ahead okay so this is this this change is just for this this area from from commercial services to public facilities correct adjustments that okay thank you okay so is that all for stuff that is we didn't get too much in the site plan or anything like that so I would be happy to to discuss that further if there's any questions the conditional use permit itself the conditions related to the the use permit are really kind of the operation rules and regulations that echo has provided so if there's any questions related to the operations of the facility that's where Jeff could come in and he's available if there's some questions specific questions there but other than our the three of us sir okay Commissioner Jorgensen has a question Darren could you walk us through the pedestrian access because I know that's been a point of discussion since the beginning of identifying this site so this project part of the environmental review of this project discuss the need for shuttling folks to this facility and the separately the city's looking into the feasibility of providing there's trails in the intersection area below the bridge over to the commercial that are evident that people use to get to this area however that's something that is kind of separate from what we're looking at tonight is we need to look at the feasibility the safety in how that crossing of the on-ramp how all that will work where it should be cross that working with Caltrans because it's Caltrans right away so that's a little bit more of a different question for another time that we're working on for this facility were focused on the site itself yes commissioner yes I do a couple of site plan and maybe even operational questions that maybe Jeff and Julie team with so my understanding is this elaborate 24 hours a day seasonally at the initial level of 36 when it becomes 48 then it sounds like it goes to a year-round facility why that break point why isn't it right from the shoot when it's finished housing 36 people year-round I know this current building is designed for the 36 the 40 we'll take an extension and addition constructionwise to the building will elect Jeb further that detail right now the funding allows for 36 beds if we have additional funding that might come from an additional County HUD grant that we're looking at we would be able to go to 48 beds the plan is that we would have dinner program every night throughout the year we would have a shelter service where people would stay over for the evening six months out of the year we are looking for funding so that we could operate it 12 months out of the year but right now the the funding limits us to six months for for overnight facilities so the answer is the funding is the limited funding yes okay yes discussion is that there will be a shuttle to transport clients but I would presume again people will walk in they'll bike in with by trailers and I understand it might be an issue to defer in terms of the safety but at the DRC when we reviewed this I think that whole issue of access was a concern something it hopefully can be addressed by the city and/or Caltrans another aspect of that is that if you look at the aerial sulfur springs is right on top of the northbound lanes for 101 you look at the fence that separates the two it's an open egg weave fence metal about three feet tall with three stands of barbed wire across the top it's compromised in many areas where people have either broken a down or it's worn down who would be responsible for putting an appropriate separation fence in there to keep anybody from inadvertently or intentionally wandering out to the right away because this area will attract more people now than it has in the past when it was just a sewage treatment plant so you're talking about the fence along the the on-ramp the 101 on-ramp correct I understand the facility per the plans that's going to have a fence around it but it's going to be attracting people that may get there when that gate is locked or whatever and what that fence is is really totally inadequate that separates the roadway from Sulphur Springs the freeway from and I'm wondering if that can be addressed with Caltrans or somebody whose fences cities is the states but it's it's a pretty poor barrier for anybody to keep them off that roadway and I think guys the question about the trail I'm working with Caltrans I think the fencing is a great question I think it's something we can explore and see what we can do to get that maybe that maybe the fencing comes down in some areas to allow for the trail to be used but I think that's something that needs to be looked in with that trail question I think that needs to be on the discussion agenda with the state for sure so the other question I had is so the sewage treatment plant right now is a locked gate at various times and will that be moved back such that the new homeless center is behind that you're behind that gate so is there in front of the gate rather or will that gate stay where it is and how will the locking of that gate impact the accessibility of the homeless Center the gates to the facility are beyond this where this the gates of the water with what a treatment plant facility are beyond this site I would respectfully disagree with that I looked at it today mmm it certainly appeared that those gates unless I was was getting out of perspective are you come to those first before you come to this facility so there's a set of gates right at Sulphur Springs yes yeah so and they had padlocks on them that we're waiting to be used when it was closed I think is terms operationally as you know with dealing with the hours of operation of this facility the city itself is going to have to determine and work together with the facility and make sure that access can be provided okay and don't constrain these comments to be in any way shape or form negative to the development proposal that's before us I think it's a great facility I think staff and others have done fantastic work in bringing us the only other thing I had was a very minor thing that in the document which is is the rules or guidelines or whatever the echo is they frequently make reference to various standards and things that they have related to property owned by echo in this particular case they don't own this site it's owned by the city so assume that language will be changes say owned or leased by echo so that doesn't compromise the ability to enforce some of those standards we can make that note and changes thank you just in the same document actually exhibit section 3.0 point C 0.5 I think we've got some of the numbers incorrect it says overnight staffing overnight staffing will include two parents staff person or trained volunteer for 30 prints a teen shelter clients so is it 2 or 1 or is it 18 or 30 so I guess that just needs to be clarified the page you're looking at 109 on and that's number it's 5 number 5 overnight staffing ok and can you repeat the question sure so overnight staffing will include 2 parentheses parentheses we would love to have more than 1 or 2 staff available overnight it comes back to funding so it is one staff per 18 people so with 36 beds we anticipate having 2 staff there every night so with one per 18 yes yes question kind of a follow-up to my earlier one at the DRC meeting there was discussion of folks that would come in bye-bye so come by trailer will or with trailers will those people be accommodated on this transport bus or will they because I believe even the architect Larry gabriel talked about how it was dying such that people could park their bikes and trailers where they could actually see them because they like to keep an eye on their possessions so it implied they were going to be bicycles with bike trailers with them will the transport move those folks to this site also in my experience I don't know that that's possible to transport carts and bicycles I don't know the vehicle that would do that unless it's pretty large people who are bringing carts we do have a cart storage area that will be locking at night we're also going to have bike racks and we're determining the best way to secure those bikes okay and that may mean we have a program where we're providing locks or we require locks we're just we're determining the best practice all right any other questions all right thank you very much at this time I think it's time to open up for public hearing and if you'd like to make any comments on this item please come forward I don't see anyone okay seeing none I will then close the public hearing and bring it back to the Commission for a further discussion be sure I could see you I thought I saw something good yeah I mean I mean maybe I'm missing a numbers thing but this total square footage isn't adding up to the total usage of square footage proposed in this am I just not reading that correctly I'm getting six thousand nine hundred forty one square feet so there's a 584 square feet not accounted for as far as usage goes page 37 proposed facilities where it breaks down what the space will be used for maybe that's just I'm guessing it's no wiggle room in net to gross out to gross I'm guessing obviously I'm not the wind dancer then I guess is that a fair question for staff do we want to ask that I think that sounds reasonable don't know if it's counting hallways and closets and different things this is listing the amenities footages but natural make a motion okay thank you I move to approve draft resolution a recommending that the City Council certify the projects mitigated negative declaration okay I have a motion of the table from Commissioner Neill do I have a second a second and a second from Commissioner steel see ya discussion seeing none I will call for the vote Commissioner Neill I commercial Castillo aye Commissioner Donaldson okay mr. Jordan I Fisher Kobler aye chairperson Davis hi motion passes six zero we're there okay and could I have a question on via straw vote on recommendation on B yeah that's a typo so just ignore that madam chair I'd like to make okay Thank You commissioner I'd like to move to approve draft resolution be indicating support for general plan amendment GPA 1900 3 to change the general plan land-use map for APNs 0 0 8 - 0 5 1 - 0 - 6 0 0 8 - 2 0 5 1 - 2 0 0 4 0 0 8 - 0 5 1 - 2 0 0 6 0 0 8 - 2 0 5 1 - 0 0 - from commercial services cs2 public facilities PF ok Commissioner Neill and do I have a second a second second by Commissioner Castillo and discussion Commissioner Neal I through strictest do high construed Donaldson I Fisher jorgeson High Commissioner Kobler aye chairperson Davis aye motion passes 6 0 madam chair I'd like to make a motion thank you approved I'd like to move to approve draft resolution C recommending that the City Council adopt an ordinance amending the zoning map consistent with the general plan amendment Neil do I have a second second and discussion seeing none I'll call for the vote we're sure Neil hi mr. Castillo hi mr. Donaldson hi mr. jorgeson High Commissioner Kobler aye chairperson Davis hi motion passes six zero madam chair I'd like to make a motion thank you I'd like to move to approve draft resolution D recommending the City Council approved conditional use permit 1916 and PD 19-13 subjects subject to conditions of approval and findings okay do have a second house like it second from mr. Castillo thank you very much discussion can staff ask for clarification we raised a couple clarifications the operations agreement about the staffing levels and then the ownership versus leasing did with those intended be corrected they were okay and how's the second yep seconds fine with that motion and second stand I'll call for the vote Commissioner Neal I assure Castillo hi mr. Donaldson hi Richard Ryerson hi mr. Kobler aye chairperson Davis aye motion passes six zero right good luck it's exciting that leads us now to agenda item three tentative parcel map PR 19-0 zero six four and conceptual plan development PD ninth and s11 and staff report please I think it's Haiti right that's correct yes Thank You chairperson Davis so this is a tentative parcel map the personal map is for a three lots of division on Creston Road so this is the general location just a little bit this is at the intersection of orchard Drive and question road just a little bit west of Rolling Hills Road I'm right across the street from Trinity Lutheran Church and the school there Louis middle school also nearby Centennial Park and the Williams Plaza off to the east the properties right along Preston Road are zoned r2 PD whereas the the properties to the north in the the Old Orchard track I think is the name of it are zoned r1 they have a larger lot single-family zoning so this is the tentative parcel map shown in orange now is the entirety of the lot today there are two existing residences here in blue is 927 Creston road there's additionally 955 question road so two residences on one lot the application today before you is to subdivide this thought into three parcels the lot lines are shown here so you've got personal one personal two and parcel three so parcels one and personal tour are mostly developed personal one has a bit more development potential just because of the location of where the the residence is located but parcel three would be a vacant lot and so it has the most development potential as I stated this lot is in the r2 PD zoning district M it does have as allows up to eight units to the acre but the PD designation would require a plan development for for any development so when the application for the tenant of map came in that dilemma is what do we do with this plan development overlay the the genitive the zoning ordinance does have a process laid out that describes a conceptual plan development that is submitted with the tentative map it just shows that the the subdivision does have the feasibility to be developed that we're not overlooking any important issues and then later when the further actual development occurs a specific plan development can be processed so this site is not quite one and a half acres the entirety of the site has about seven percent slope so the proposed loss parcel one which would be just under a quarter acre it has a about a three percent slope and has the potential if it was a vacant site two units could be developed on that site that does not include the accessory dwelling units that the state mandates parcel two is similar also a quarter of an acre site a three percent slope could also be developed with two units if it was a vacant site parcel three is the largest parcel it's not quite eight tenths of an acre it has a more steeply sloping slope it's about nine percent it would be able to be developed with about with five units so the we did request that the applicant prepare a conceptual development plan so now I've changed the orientation here North is actually straight up at this point that's different than the previous map you were looking at so orchard Drive on the right Preston Road so this is parcels one and two parcel one here on the left and parcel two so of course you've got the existing residences shown hatched there is some Adele excuse me development potential and parcel one the applicant is showing they're calling it a hypothetical residents kind of towards the front of the property and then they're also showing a a carport there would also be some new paving today this this lot does not have curb gutter and sidewalk and so with the high traffic area but no curb gutter inside book so that's one of the big advantages of seeing this this development come forward so the applicant would provide true paved driveway entrance and and some paving on the site to provide some formal parking areas on parcel tooth they're not showing any proposed development the existing residence is larger it's right in the middle of the lot so it makes it more challenging to to provide any new residences and new structures on the lot they would be paving out a more formal driveway I think there is some paving there today but this would be a bit more formal would have a true driveway approach off of off of Creston Road so upon parcel three there's an additionally a conceptual plan shown the applicant did include the fact that this another potential use of this site would be to do two duplexes and one single-family residence so this isn't as I said this is conceptual this is not set in stone this is meant to show the feasibility of development of parcel 3 so there's the rainbow array of where the actual property lines would be so the one I'd one idea one conceptual idea is that there would be to flag Lots we'd have a shared driveway going up to conceptual parcel E and D there are some conditions of approval in the agenda report in front of you today that would require all of the units for all the units that would be developed on parcel three that they would all be served by a single driveway there are some conflicts that exist here at the at the corner with question road being such a busy road so even though this is shown conceptually staff is recommending that driveways be consolidated there's also a conceptual grading plan that was provided some of the grading shown on this plan does comply with our with our creating ordinance and so there are conditions of approval that would require either retaining walls or some way to minimize the that cut and fill slopes that are being shown here so in the future if a development actually is proposed on any of the parcels the conditions of approval would require that any new residences on parcels one and two which are those Lots that front question road they would require DRC review that would be a typical site plan review which we do just typically for any development that has less than or multifamily development that has less than five units involved so persons wanted to just DRC review but when the future development of parcel three is proposed that would require a development plan that would be reviewed first by DRC of course but then by the full Planning Commission so there are some conditions that are proposed so these conditions the first lists here are related to things that would have to be done before recording of the final parcel map so this is just for the three lot parcel map someday in the future we anticipate a probably a track map on that upper lot and there would be new conditions and you know there'd be new review of that but for the three lot parcel map there are some little accessory structures that are over the property lines those will need to be removed as we saw there'll be some new paved driveways installed front landscaping is required in our in our residential zones and so that would be required before the map can be recorded some Road dedications on both question Road and Orchard Drive neither are the full width that are intended for those roads and the question road frontage improvements would be installed before the parcel map so we would get that curb gutter and sidewalk on Creston Fred in addition we would the conditions as I stated before for and that should actually read oh I apologize so this condition is currently parcel two which is that corner lot does take access from Creston Road the city engineer has added a condition that a deed restriction be recorded against the the property so that if that property's ever redeveloped all access would come from Orchard Drive we really want to minimize the number of driveways that we have off of question Road it's an arterial road traffic and so if that parcel was ever completely redeveloped access would only come from Orchard Drive under utilities need to be under grounded and then again the access to parcel three should only be from one driveway so looking at resolution be a plan development would be required I'm on parcel three as I stated before just site plan review and parcels one and two there is an error and the draft resolution condition number six should have been deleted it talks about there being two driveways being allowed to the parcel three development the city engineer has determined that only one driveway is appropriate there so condition six should just be deleted there's a condition that requires that buildings that face Orchard Drive need to have architecture that really faces or do drive so we don't get to the sides of houses the way that the conceptual plan is shown is you'd have a driveway going up to those rear Lots we don't want to see the side of a house facing orchard so the requirement is that when architecture comes in for new structures on parcel three that those be required to have typical architectural features for the front of a building facing orchard some conditions about the grading compliance there is a requirement a condition proposed that would require the bearment the minimum guest parking for parcel three so that would be one unit one parking space for every five units so that is included when we get a full-blown of conceptual full-blown plant abutment it does need to include some guest parking and then curb gutter and sidewalk would be would be provided all the way from question road to parcel three when the future development of that lot occurs so this product project is exempt from sequa as a class 15 exemption we're tonight we're really just approving the minor subdivision that three lot subdivision and so it's exempt from sequa there are some findings that the Planning Commission needs to make that the project is consistent with our general plan and our zoning ordinance that the project isn't detrimental to the general welfare and it's compatible with its surrounding land uses the subdivision needs to be physically suit the site needs to be physically suited to the type and density of development for the subdivision that the division isn't going to cause environmental and there aren't any conflicts with PUD with public easements so the Planning Commission has some options the first would be to approve the draft resolutions as drafted secondly we could you could approve the project with modifications you could continue the item and refer the project back to staff for additional analysis or you could deny the project if you make the appropriate findings staff is recommending that you approve the draft resolutions that you do delete condition number six which is part of a draft resolution B and I welcome your questions thank you Katie any questions for staff mr. Neil I know the city engineer is not here but what was the reasoning to limiting only the I'm not sure I understand the reasoning on orchard to limit limiting it to only one driveway so in looking at the project orchard you know my understanding is a lot of traffic comes down from the neighborhood above down Orchard Drive and turns on to Creston Road so in terms of having multiple driveways there it's problematic we also from what I understand have a lot of people who turn around because there's schools right across the street or down the street they do a turning movement there and then do a u-turn and go down the road so you know we could have four driveways there however just to limit the amount of conflicts it was just good engineering practice and to limit it to one driveway they could still get their 5 units off of off of that single driveway that was reasoning thank you yes mr. you all right Cutler so at its core my understanding is this is really a subdivision to create three parcels potentially to sell one or two or three of them off I presume maybe it's a part of this and that what we have seen and what we're talking about our conceptual plans for how it may develop in the future is that correct that is correct and in this action though however we are enabling certain future development to take place for example there's a finding on page 238 it says we find the site is physically suitable for the type and density of development so if this comes back and it's similar to what we've approved tonight type and density would be a match how does the density of this one compare to do you know that a property it's immunity of the West it's a similar form with you know kind of common accesses and driveways and things that appears to be pretty comparable I believe it is IB it has similar zoning which would allow for 8 units to the acre I know so so on page 234 the mmm I did go through and look at those Lots but I'm not sure that my analysis made it into the into the staff report they are similar in size I think they're slightly larger but they have there's a lot of access easements that so the gross acreage is fairly similar but the net acreage is probably a little bit smaller than what would be expected up on because the parcel 3 it's a bit steeper so as the as property gets steeper the number of units per acre is decreased so once you break I believe it's 5% slope then you only get six and a half units to the acre so that upper parcel 3 only gets six and a half units to the acre whereas the lower the lower sloped properties get 8 units to the acre all right any other questions or any staff for that matter no seeing none then I will now open it up to public hearing welcome please state your name for the record Nick Gilman 800 Cherry Street representing the Baha'i family who are who are present by the way there's no disagreement at all with a single access to parcel 3 off of Richard Drive frankly I was not thrilled the intent here was to do a parcel map that would allow the sale of the house that's currently on a parcel - in order to finance frankly the development of five single family homes on parcel three that the intent all along has been to have single-family homes small of course and similar I'm glad at least Commissioner kobler's looked at it because I've been looking at it as well they develop that immediately to the west which was a plan development and provided slightly smaller site and that site and there's some questions you know I was I'll speak to later about the results of that I did by the way talked to the developer of that parcel it was kind of interesting his very entertaining guy he was very disappointed he says he would never do it again the site to the west developed with almost no outside recreational space or a garden space over and he found that the only buyers who were old bachelors that doesn't really doesn't really compute to family housing although one of the last times I was there I heard a baby crying inside one of the units I was actually thrilled something's happening here I appreciate this finally getting getting to this point we submitted and this is two twittering we submitted back in August it's been a while waiting to get to this point and I something needs to be looked at the only deal-breaker serious deal-breaker I've got is site specific condition number 11 on page 241 the when we rebuild the curb gutter and sidewalk on Crescent Road the sidewalk will only be 30 feet from the garage I cannot provide 10 foot of landscaping and back up space for garage and 20 feet what number was it number 11 hey it's 241 number 11 thank you that has to be changed to at least reduce to 6 feet at best actually I'd prefer the city parking ordinance recommends 27 feet for a backup intersections and backup maneuvering I believe I can get back that by over 24 but even that's tight the other I would like to ask for discussion a little bit on site specific number 19 on the same page and it's repeated other places no disagreement in general that we underground utilities when there's a conditional application being made there is some from the southwest corner there's some overhead AT&T lines and telephone lines easily under grouted certainly that's the intent the overhead lines I mean from the far side of orchard ara PG&E lines through the existing house on parcel 2 and those of you that are in construction and have adult with PG&E recently may have some sympathy I would really like to see a notice put on the parcel map that the utilities will be under grounded but at the time we develop parcel 3 under grounding the power undoubtedly is going to come from the east side of orchard from the existing utilities on that side we're gonna have to underground orchard hopefully abort it instead of cut it and provide a composite utility plan for all of the units on parcel 3 and it's going to be much simpler in dealing with PG&E and getting the project done to combine that with undergrounding simultaneously there's the existing service to parcel two I've talked to city engineer and David's very accurately saying well what if our future buyer of parcel 2 says no to hell I can't answer that I agree so I mean that is a problem but if you would understand our side of it we could certainly do the underground much simpler with a combined project for for the development of parcel 3 I hope I'm not confusing people the only other item that I've got is going back to item 14 yeah item 14 on the same page 240 more I know I'm gonna lose on this but I'm going to comment anyway I knew when I submitted it that the city would ask for space asked for dedication it's sort of a neater knee jerk reaction okay I mean I'm not surprised and it's not a deal killer but I'd like to point out I think mr. Kobler might come in too having looked at the adjacent development I'm jealous of all the space that's available on a small site trying to provide formal affordable family housing on small sites the five feet I'm jealous of not not from an economic point of view but so that I can provide more space for the individual homes and I frankly disagree with the city engineer he very kindly gave me the time to discuss it I don't see that much traffic on Orchard Lane I've been up there credit or to drive excuse me I've been up there quite a few times very rarely see even one car well I'm you know looking at the site looking at the problems there is a city standard for rural residential that indicates 22 feet of paved Drive with a five-foot sidewalk which I can easily do the existing Orchard Drive is in a 40 foot right away it's 20 feet curve to curve there asphalt curves of course and I've got 10 feet available west to the property line so that I believe that within the existing right-of-way we could provide are more than adequate access both vehicular Li and possibly pedestrian there's some neighbors here that they want to speak to even the sidewalk issue but I've been assuming knowing the city that you would ask for a sidewalk and of course if you agree with me I think both Warren and David have a heart attack so be careful other than that I have no problems and I hope we can move ahead okay thanks any questions for Nick while he's there yes Nick on the subject of the underground is there any reason you couldn't run sufficient conduit to the lot three while you you do the frontage well you do the requirement I mean it you know may not be right to the air you want to go whatever but it can't be run for for future use okay you know I'm not sure what you asked me John but I would certainly provide the con doing on parcel tube from parcel three to provide for we could certainly do that so you're saying the power is coming from that from parcel C's three sides yeah the existing powerful and you know whether I'm assuming PG&E will use the existing risers it's immediately on the on the east side of parcel three on Orchard on that that would be the source of the power for the the five new homes very likely there's going to be a new somewhere we may have to provide it a new transformer somewhere but where I don't know let's see I I understand it's dealing with PG&E any times is gives you heartburn but it'd be tough for me anyways I won't speak for everybody here to make a decision on something like that I trust this any engineers judgment yeah I'm not gonna make a big fuss about that but I okay I'm just sure convenient if we could okay yes I'm sure an observation and then a question in looking at this and looking at in the field it appears that the property of the West probably had the advantage of being a blank slate it doesn't look like it maybe had the retrofit that you have here with a couple of existing houses and how you deal with all the lot attributes the question I have is on parcel to what's the need for having so much hard cover you've got paved access calling all the way around that side of the house to the back fence area as shown right now that yellow area why not just serve the garage with a driveway and avoid all the hard cover that's a longer to drive that's an existing condition we could do I don't think there would be any objection to deleting that if you chose I don't you know we got to provide another surface of some kind the I don't know what I don't I knew the family that lived there but I was never a visitor I don't know what they had in mind by paving paving that over on the on the east side obviously they need it they felt they needed some access to the rear I never saw them storing vehicles back there court motorhomes or anything so I'm not sure I don't I don't have an answer for you I was tell me you were addressing the you know the problem with the landscape along that side and it seems like that would be mitigated by taking out some of that pavement you know the landscaping is to the south between the driveway that she's shown in yellow in the sidewalk my point was that I can't do that ten feet wide so a muddy in Creston right right in there right where that is okay that's the only area of us being here and I think the challenge is were as you mentioned we're dealing with existing homes and garage doors that already exist the requirement for the ten feet is when you have a driveway parallel that turns and goes parallel with the sidewalk and to get some landscaping there in this case I think we need to take in consideration what mr. Gilman is indicating to allow proper back out area so reducing that from 10 and if six works just trying to get something in there so that we don't have sidewalk right up against driveway but it is important to make sure we have enough back out area there okay anyone else all right Thank You Nick thank you and I'd like to invite anyone else up to the podium to comment on this item good evening Larry Werner 741 Orchard Drive I live about four houses above this project and have had numerous conversations with my neighbors and we are generally in favor of this project and will really appreciate the improvements on the frontage on Creston Road because the two projects that are to the west they're the two eight unit projects they don't have a cinema there's no sidewalk for them to get from there over to the pedestrian crossing at the corner of Orchard Road get to Daniel Lewis school and so it's very dangerous in fact if you could show the with the tentative map I've got some exhibits but I don't think I need to really show them right there on the left of parcel 2 is a palm tree right there but what's not shown on this tentative map is the fact that there is a storm drain that drops off in there and you can hardly see it and there's there was some kind of structure there that kind of guided you if you were cyclist and I have ridden my bike by here hundreds of times and it just drops off it's extremely dangerous so having that curve gutter and sidewalk on there to allow kids and everybody to be able to walk along theirs is great and we really appreciate that that's gonna be really good the the biggest issue that we have on Orchard Drive is traffic and parking you know I've lived there over 30 years and I've noticed an incredible increase in the amount of traffic particularly since they paved walnut drive because people come down now walnut because it used to be really rough to go down low on that they come down walnut and they come down orchard drive to go to school and I can hear them every morning so there is a lot of traffic and then especially in the afternoons the cars come pick up their kids that come up orchard Drive they turn around on Orchard and they go back out on Crescent Road when I walk down there to look at the project in the time that I walked down there two cars actually did that and what what happens is also on Orchard Drive just a little bit to the right there on the other side of the street there's a number of people that park cars on the road Orchard Drive is 20 feet wide with berms on each side or limitations 20 feet is that's ten to ten foot travel lanes so it's very tight so when people are parking along Orchard Drive which i think is a code violation personally it's you have to wait if somebody else is coming the other direction you have to stop we went up there the other day and there was three cars parked on the east side of Orchard Drive and a truck parked on the west side of workers Drive and we couldn't get through in my car we had to go to that house and ask them to move the truck so that we get through the street so that was the biggest issue that we had as a neighborhood is the parking on Orchard Drive so if this project if they have to give five feet to be able to provide parking or some way to get people to park there and have the on-site parking I strongly encourage that for visitor parking the two projects to the west they all have lots of visitor parking and when I was walking through there the one immediately to the west had six visitor parking places and four of them had people parking in them so it's it's important also like the idea of the one driveway because of the congestion that goes on right there at that part of the intersection I think that that we totally would agree with that the as far as parcel two goes I think you brought up the the hardcover issue that they park cars they're on the side all the time and not it not you know that it's really annoying or anything but that's what they do they don't use the garage you could see there's weeds growing up in front of the garage door so having a driveway to the garage is not used to almost year of actually using the garage so that's kind of the actual condition there on partial to a parcel one the idea of having another two-story unit on there no problem I think that actually might be kind of nice and as far as parcel two would like to thank the the people who bought it because they fixed it up nicely and painted it and it looks a lot better so we all appreciate that so just want to say that I think it's a it's a good idea on parcel three to have the five homes with a single driveway that's the kind of stuff that we need that's the kind of house and we need right now and people who can live there and I think if it is oriented towards families like mr. Gilman has said it's a perfect place because you're you can walk to the school you can walk to Centennial Park so I don't think anybody in our neighborhood that I talked to was opposed to having those it was just about having the four driveways so we're happy with that with the one driveway we encouraged them to move forward on this project and thank you very much Thank You Larry any questions for him before he leaves all right and I'd like to invite anyone else up to comment on this item all right then seeing none I will close the public hearing public comment and bring a brac to Commission for discussion do we have any questions that need to be answered from the public I don't think so we do so comments I think there was a comment on from the applicants representative on item 14 in the offer to dedicate five feet from from mr. Allen since he's here okay hi David athlete's City engineering here yeah that's one of the hardest things to really do to an applicant right I asked for an offer of dedication because you're asking for land from them to build a public facility so we looked at this look at this site and it's a 40-foot right away it's an antiquated from an antiquated subdivision that was done you know many many years ago that was the standard back then when we drove model a type cars and you know over type cars you know in today's our modern standards call us actually for a 60-foot ride away so when we look at this I've looked at the nearby areas how they developed there is a there is a road just to the west of this parcel same type of you know development went on and the City Engineer at that time aspera I think I believe a five foot off our dedication from each side of that road when it developed so that's what I do I asked for app each applicant to give half so in this case parcels 1 2 & 3 would provide 2 + 3 would provide a 5-foot offer of dedication when the lot across the street comes in for redevelopment when it does or if it ever does last for a 5-4 offer of dedication for them to get the minimum road with we're looking for which would be two travel lanes two parking lanes and sidewalks on both sides since parcel 3 is becoming more dense we're looking at that 5 feet to serve as that sidewalk down to Creston Road to aid in pedestrian circulation so that's why that's why we I asked for the 5 foot offer a dedication on this side ok thank you and then you there was also another question right I think regarding undergrounding of PG&E with that chairman Davis with Evy yes that would be great ok for parcel 3 I think yeah for parcel 2 so as you can see the service drop from this pole right here and it heads across they actually cry it's just pretty rare but it crosses Orchard Drive and there's a I think there's a meter box right here I really understand the challenges with PG&E a lot of applicants throughout the city whether it's a just simple building permit or something like this are having challenges getting service from them basically the design and then the installation I understand that the challenge is once parcel 2 is sold there's no guarantee that I can get I can't compel a parcel to to let the applicant have access to their property to install any to install a new service for their house which is why we asked for it with the frontage improvements okay yes it possible to request any kind of deed restriction or anything on parcel to is a part of the subdivision that would ensure that right to do that in the future without doing it now you know I talked about that with mr. Gillman and I'm just not convinced that even with a deed notification or a deed restriction that you could spell that we could compel the parcel to to let them have access to you know provide a new service now if I own personal - I'd be like yeah come on in you know provide a new service but I you know I just don't think there's a way to do that legally I could be wrong but that's that's you know in my my experience how it's been okay alright thank you thank you I did but I don't mean up for you I didn't hear you good challenge Larry a little bit on projects like this where we're going to provide parking interior parking on the street I agree would would it would be difficult as it as it is now but but I believe that as a certain business I'm sure you need it as a study session with the city engineer you really want to look at possibly shrinking right-of-ways because they are if you if you look at them there's a lot of extraneous improvements put part of it is when we did the uptown downtown plan some years ago we had a very good expert from talking about paving in general on the history of having so much asphalt in an in a city and it really is absurd when they think about it keeping keeping the right-of-way as relatively narrow and keeping the improvements so that we aren't using so much land for that black stuff is not a bad thing I mean it's just just a general comment thank you okay thank you Nick we have again closed the public hearing all right any other comments or questions from staff I do have a question for Darren so on this with his driveway backs up what we see the challenge what's the solution well I think with the development plan before the Planning Commission the Planning Commission has the ability to modify a development standard so this is in the intent of this is when you if this was a blank property and you were to you had the ability to move the house around and provide the necessary 25 feet of river backup for from a garage door this is just trying to get a little green in between the hardscape of a driveway and the hardscape of a sidewalk and ten feet is just a number that the zoning code has of providing for that separation in this case the garage is there the property line is there we need the improvements but it it makes sense to make sure we have the proper back out or it's just going to add another reason why they don't use the garage so being able to decrease that from 10 I think Nick indicated six feet would allow appropriate back out area so that seems reasonable in this case and the Planning Commission has the ability to allow that okay so six foot so that would be looking at condition number 11 we could just modify it to say at least six and with as opposed to the tendeth shows on that am i seeing some consensus along those lines okay any other ideas the single driveway is that something we want to talk about a single driveway to part of the pool okay alright I will entertain a motion if someone okay madam chair I move to approve draft resolution a approving tentative map tentative parcel map 19 - double O 4 subject to conditions of approval with the correction on number 11 where the landscape barrier reduced to 6 feet in width between the sidewalk and the driveway okay staff would recommended we eliminate numbers oh yeah that's actually in resolution be in resolution a I think that would be in the second motion okay so back to our motion Commissioner Donaldson could you restate that please okay motion was to approve the draft resolution a proven tentative parcel map 19 - double O 6 for subject to the conditions of approval with the change in command where 11 who reduce it to 6 foot in between the sidewalk on the driveway ok thank you and do I have a second Phanatic okay I have a motion by Commissioner Donaldson second by Commissioner Jorgensen and discussion seeing none I'll call for the vote Commissioner Donaldson hi Minister jorgeson hi I'm sure Neil I assure Kobler I am sure Castillo hi Jefferson Davis aye motion passes six zero madam chair a move to approve draft resolutions be approving conceptual plan development 1911 subject to conditions of approval with the omission of number six was okay I have a motion from Commissioner Johnson and a second from Commissioner Jorgenson discussion call for the vote where's your Dalton High Commissioner jorgeson High Commissioner Neal aye I'm sure Kobler aye commissioner Castillo aye chairperson Davis I use it for that item correct that concludes that item okay thank you and good luck all right and moving on to agenda item four plan development PD 18-0 five conditional use permits EOP 18-0 eight and I'll have a staff report please Thank You chip rescind Davis so yes this is a conditional use permit for John Boyce towing a towing service that already operates in our community they have an existing site on Ramada Drive but this would be a new location for them located at 2908 Ardmore Road so this is an idea of the general location so this is near the intersection of golden Hill Road and Union Road Ardmore Road currently runs partially rented it to the east does not it's currently a dead-end street it would it there are rights of way in place and there was intention to extend Ardmore Road believe some of the extension has already occurred that goes to Daniel's woodland and spur construction but eventually would be extended up to Union Road and then I think even to the east when airport road comes through and was part of the North Chandler ranch a specific plan when that comes someday so Ardmore Road will be a collector Street in the in nature so along that extension of Ardmore Road that goes to the north the city has purchased a piece of property this is where the new emergency services facility will be located in the not-too-distant future we also have a proposal Planning Commission is likely to see for our future development along Union Road so this area is changing this is an area that has historically been large lot single-family properties but it is zoned for commercial industrial projects and we are seeing some changes out on Ardmore Road so the site is the land use designation from the general plan is commercial services and has the zoning of c3 PD of commercial light industry with a plan development overlay the site is not quite two acres 1.76 acres the slope is approximately 3% so this is a pretty flat site there is one native oak tree on the site but the applicant does intend to retain that tree so looking at a zoom in on the location this is this the second property in from Golden Hill Road there is there actually are I think three residences on the site and there are some other residences nearby have put stars on locations of existing residences actually on Gilead Road there is a vacant lot but we do have a building permit under consideration right now so that will also have a single-family residence so industrially zoned land but developed with single-family residences so we need to make sure that the site planning is sensitive to those uses so that John Boyce towing describes their their business is operating 24 hours a day seven days a week however the site would primarily be used to store towed vehicles they want it you know there's not constant in and out on the site throughout the evening throughout the night but there are there would be some overnight deliveries of vehicles there would be two tow truck operators operating out of this site John Boyce does have seven other locations within the county I believe there's one in the five cities somewhere in one in San Luis Obispo so this would sort of be the North County location so two two tow truck operators and an on-call manager operating down below you see the view from Ardmore there's an existing the existing residences there on the left-hand side that would be used as a caretaker for the business and there's a proposed metal building that we'll discuss here on the night no not yet but soon so the site plan Ardmore Road at the top there north to the to the top of the screen so this is the existing residence would be retained as a as a caretaker the proposed metal building there in red now this is the the proposed tow yard I believe it has a let me get my 30 yeah just under 30,000 square feet of outdoor storage at about twenty-seven thousand square feet would be included that would be on a decomposed granite surface a dgb surface the site plan shows 28 parking spaces the storage yard would be enclosed by an 8 foot tall wall fence combo I'll show you an image of that in an upcoming screen but so a large storage yard there is one existing oak tree it's now circled in green the applicant is providing a landscape Island for it and intends to remain to retain the tree there are three driveway approaches proposed currently there is not a curb gutter inside walk along the Ardmore road frontage those will be installed as a part of the project and the applicant is requesting three driveway approaches the one in the middle would have a customer parking area I think it's got four parking spaces therefore when customers come to reclaim vehicles when they've been towed so the proposed metal building it's a pretty simple metal building I'm standing seam metal there is the applicant has provided a frontage that faces Ardmore Road so it does have a pedestrian scale entrance which is a recommendation of the industrial design guidelines for metal buildings this is an image from the sides you can see that the porch porch projection out towards Ardmore Road there so it comes out a few feet and provides some some variation to that front elevation when this project went to the design receives me the development Review Committee on the applicant it indicated that they would be using a tan color with some white trim their plans have since solidified and they have provided us with a color scheme they're showing that the walls would be a gray color with a white roof and proposing some blue trim this has not been the color scheme has not been reviewed by the development review committee staff would recommend that a more earth-tone palette be used the grace it would be reasonable but the blue might be not quite what we have in mind with our industrial design guidelines so I think it's a point of discussion that the Planning Commission would want to make this evening so as far as screening this is the proposed decorative screening so as we learned earlier outdoor storage it uses do have a decorative fence requirement when they are near some of our busier streets so the applicant is proposing three feet of masonry wall at the bottom of most of the screening wall and then a five foot section of of steel aluminum but the the metal fencing at the top so the idea what this fencing is to provide fencing for security and for screening but not for it not to look like a fortress - the idea is to have this fence with some transparency but then to have landscaping in front of it so we get an attractive view from from both Golden Hill and from Ardmore roads so the applicant this is moving looking at the site plan the staff is so the building itself the metal building will screen some of the storage yard this orange area is now showing where the decorative fence would be proposed it does go along the front of the property where there are some gates that would be open at times but when those are closed you'll have decorative fencing around this whole area the DRC did recommend that the decorative fencing be extended southern the southwest property corner so you see an area where it extends this is to improve the view from Golden Hill Road the site there is a commercially zoned property just to the south that this property currently has a single-family residence on it and so there aren't very many structures you can see this site fairly well from Golden Hill so the the wrapping of the the more decorative fence is shown here to to screen from that view the the remainder of the fencing this blue area would be a chain-link fence so wouldn't provide as much screening but there would be landscaping in front of it to continue no continuously there's there are also some eucalyptus trees along the South East property line that would would go some way towards screening the use the purple areas there are shown that those are the the gates that that that are that are proposed so these green areas are some of the landscaping proposed there's a condition of approval that requires continuous shrubs that would reach at least a six foot height along continuously along the only the edge of the of the storage yard so the applicant is shown those those bushes being being shown there so those are all kind of highlighted in green they additionally there would be some new landscaping areas along Ardmore Road to provide some additional screening and just attractive view from Ardmore it's a big concern as I sort of alluded to before was noise superimposed the site plan thereon on the property the we just happened to have our noise consultant in town last weekend human over this project with me so we looked at the distances from from this of the storage yard from all the existing residences so to the east there's a residence that's about a hundred and fifty feet away to the south there are some residences that are about 400 feet away to the southwest the property there the house there is about 275 feet away the house immediately to the west is is relatively close it's about the structure that the little red arrow is currently sitting on top of it appears to be a garage on its eastern side but there might be a residence some sort of a studio or GuestHouse or even a second unit we're not entirely sure but some sort of residential struck habitable structure is what it appears to be on that westside so it might be as close as 50 feet to the storage yard so during the day the noise that were Consultant help me determine that the expected noises from a large truck would not exceed our daytime our daytime limitations however at night it's possible that noises from the large trucks coming in and out might exceed those at those limits and so there's some conditions of approval that require trucks entering and exiting the site at night to use that central driveway and to park cars as far away as possible from this house that is so close so we would use distance to to prevent too much noise from reaching that house there on the to the west of the property so in order to approve this project that the Planning Commission does have to make some findings that the project is consistent with the general plan our zoning ordinance and the industrial design guidelines that the project isn't that Germano to the general welfare it's that and essentially that the project is compatible with this neighborhood we have a owning that would allow this type of use but we do have a lot of residences in the the proximity so we want to make sure that this project is compatible with those those existing uses the project is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act as a class 32 exemption this property is just getting to the edge of where we would consider info further to the east the North Chandler ranch property that wouldn't be considered infill cause it's not highly developed but the general plan does acknowledge that this area is has experienced a development in the past and so it is eligible for the infill exemption as I mentioned there are some conditions of approval that are recommended especially around noise the conditions would not allow customers to enter the site after 5:00 p.m. customers to come to the site to retrieve their vehicles after 5:00 p.m. it would require that the so the only activities that would occur after hours would be just dropping off all activities on the site would be subject to the noise ordinance so if we find that after operations began it the operation is too noisy we would have to find new mitigation measures to continue to dampen the noise and find a way to make the the project compatible with nearby uses as I stated that after seven o'clock there would be no use of the Western driveway that is so close to that residence to the west and and incoming vehicles would need to be parked on the eastern parking spaces trucks would not be able to idle the tow trucks after 7:00 p.m. as far as screening goes there are conditions that require that if there's anything else ever stored in that storage yard that they not be any taller than eight feet the idea being that you that would be screened by the fence vehicles obviously are often taller than eight feet so the condition reads that there would be an exception for those vehicles for any storage BM occurs on the site they the decomposed granite surface and the screening need to be entirely installed before they can start storing vehicles here the shrubs need to be continuous six-foot at least six feet tall taller is a good thing but you know in combination with the fence at least a six-foot shrub Street trees need to be installed they need to retain the eucalyptus trees at the rear property line and the zoning ordinance requires that fence does not exceed eight feet in height there's some additional conditions of approval and the resolution before you one would be that the property's not used to dismantle vehicles we don't want to see a an auto picking yard at this at this site this would just be for storing the arborist report will need to be updated to make sure that we've provided enough space for that oak tree that it has a viable chance at surviving there's a condition that all exterior lights be shielded and that staff do a nighttime inspection before we allow them to start to operate to make sure that those lights are sufficiently shielded as I stated there's a condition currently that reads that the colors for the building be earth tone colors there is the applicant is now showing us that they intend to use some color the blue color and particular particular that's not earth tones so the Planning Commission only needs to alter that condition of approval or leave it as is and we need to discuss colors any changes to the metal building that face the right of way on ardmore would need to go for DRC approval and there's a condition that no barbed wire be used on the project oh my goodness there's a lot of conditions so the city engineer has some some conditions that are more Road B the pavement of Ardmore Road be widened to 40 feet that there be an offer to dedicate land to it to get the right-of-way to the the minimum size required for for a street of this size there is a typo in condition number 26 it looks like we didn't delete some language that should have should have been deleted so we would want to strike the applicant shall dedicate a and that condition but electrical electrical utility lines do need to be under grounded a streetlight needs to be provided this project or this site is actually currently on a well and a septic system so that they are going to need to bring sewer out to the to the site down Ardmore Road and abandon that well and septic tank so those are all conditions that are in the draft resolutions for you you have options as as always the first would be to approve the resolution as drafted that would approve the plan development and the conditional use permit for this use you could certainly recommend approval of the project with modification staff is recommending that modification to the engineering standard or engineering condition excuse me you could continue and refer the project back to staff or you could deny the project by finding or making findings of denial staff recommends that you do approve the draft resolution I'm striking the words the applicant shall dedicate a from condition number 26 and then provide some guidance to staff on what to do with the color of the building and with that I am open to your questions Thank You Katie any questions for Katie yes commissioner and I don't know if it's listed on this landscaping lighting plan maybe the Berber just is too small to read but as far as lighting goes for the parking lot itself is there any kind of condition on what type of lighting goes in those parking lot - we do we put any kind of condition on parking lots as far as what style lights they can use since it's gonna be kind of an all-night thing it's not very large but there is in the bottom right-hand corner showing the intended light poles they so there are some sites along the defense I'm going to use the pointer up on the screen to the east of the room so these there's a light proposed here at this this spot and then there's one here at this spot and then down here you see that what the standard would be so 14 foot tall light and so the reason for the nighttime inspection is maybe we need to put shields on this light to make sure the light stays in the yard and doesn't bail out to the neighbors certainly we could add additional conditions but the reason is because I know we've recently changed no recently but we went over to LED lights and a lot of the neighborhoods and I know in the parking lot nearby there the Jehovah Witness Hall is an orange light so is that what the intent is to be for that parking lot or is it gonna be more of an LED light I think you know when I've gone shopping for lights recently it seems like everything's LED so I would imagine that it's and they're so energy-efficient that I think that's typically what we see the applicant is working with our police department so that they can be a service provider to our Police Department and we do require a certain amount of lighting for security but the lighting doesn't have to leave the actual storage yard and so I think it might be something we need we might need to finesse to make sure that conditions are just right but I think the idea is that the yard itself be well lit and then the neighbors not be right Katty on lighting though could you point out again is it just the two on the so there are there are some additional lights on the metal building the applicant is here this evening and can can correct me if I'm making mistakes but there are some lights on the exterior of the metal building and then I believe the only other lights in the yard are along this for your fence but I would definitely welcome the applicant to correct me if that's not okay thank you very much any other questions yes Commissioner cochlear KT so you recognize that the site plan shows 28 spaces is the intent to limit the storage to 28 vehicles I don't think that that is the intent when the applicant brought in the site plan that in sort of some of the first iterations it was actually a much smaller yard and a concerned staff because we could envision the storage yard getting full and then other vehicles starting to get stored you know elsewhere on the property so we did encourage them to increase the size of the yard so that all the storage on the property would be within that fence I think the intention is not to limit to 28 vehicles I think that the parking spaces along the rear property line are actually pretty well oversized I think they do sometimes tow RVs and some other larger vehicles so it allows room for those but I could imagine if they had lots of little cars maybe you know not observing those those lines so the conditions of approval do not limit they the storage to 28 vehicles at this point there is a condition though that kind of speaks to organization that's required because of the access and I pulled up the area of the existing facility they haven't looks like there's a lot of bumper to bumper cars just stacked in there which would seemingly preclude the access on the east side is certain hours at night and unless it's organized so it is gonna require some internal organization by the applicant the other question I have is there in number 11 which you highlighted in your presentation on page 280 you talked about items stored materials taller than 8 feet to be prohibited and that's not speaking to vehicles are we opening the door to other kinds of things being stored here when the purpose is to be a storage yard for vehicles certainly was not my intention I think just there it seems like when you have a storage yard and there's a fence sometimes other things get stored I think if we want to alter the condition that nothing else but vehicles be stored here then we should do that the intent was just you know operations that idea was to screen whatever's in there but but I the point taken okay maybe the applicant can address it and then maybe applicant could also address how long do vehicles get stored on this site or these being towed here because they were in accidents they were abandoned you know what's the duration of the stay on site if you would because it seems like you could fill up 28 or 30 or 35 spaces pretty quickly potentially so maybe a little bit of insight on how the business operates would be helpful we'll get your comments when we open the public comment so anything tight I think your but see if we have any other staff questions okay are we ready to open up for public hearing then okay at this time please come forward welcome thank you my name is John Poulter co-owner of John Boyce towing the reason why you see our other location stacked is because that yard is very small vehicles normally stay about a maximum of 45 days because you have a lean process that you have to go through the DMV in order to get the proper paperwork to dispose the vehicle we're not interested in doing any kind of dismantling we're not a wrecking yard we're just a tow yard and we have to go through certain processes to get rid of vehicles we do tow four pass rolls PD we Topher the Sheriff's Department we talk for CHP in this North County area we have a very high problem with homelessness and motor homes and trying to keep motor homes in the current location where we're at is extremely difficult we've been actually moving them because we've taken so many of them we actually move them to our san luis obispo location and store them there sometimes if we don't have room in the yard where we're currently at we also stack them in a manner as cars come in we rotate and move stuff you know if it's crash and it doesn't move then it's obviously going to be set aside where it's easy access for a transport for an insurance company or for the salvage yard to take it we're not we don't want the motorhomes nobody does but the problem is is they're here and we need to deal with them we're the only company in this town that can handle the larger commercial vehicles so other companies are you know declining them from the police department and we're having to take them we have a little bit of a discrepancy on the fencing because what you guys are asking for yes it looks pretty but it also does not shield and some of these vehicles are not in that good of shape a lot of the motorhomes are not in that good of shape I understand the six-foot bushes or trees that you're asking for but if you have motorhomes which we're gonna try and keep everything to the far east side of the lock as far as bigger stuff because it's more shielded back in that bottom corner and you know come in that way in the evening hours we don't we don't we're not a busy after-hours I mean we might do in a weekend we might be two or three after-hours for law enforcement that would come into the yard we're not totally busy except for fair times it's probably when we get busy but other than that we're pretty low-key any other questions for the applicant yes yeah I think you alluded to it so you guys do have the large semi truck we do have jobs yes we do and you'll be using them at this location we would have one at that location it would not it would not be leaving at all hours of the night I mean normally when we go out with the big truck you're going four hours and then come back shut it down Park we're not gonna be doing idling I mean fuel was four dollars fifty cents a gallon those trucks don't get good fuel economy I don't want like my guys idling my trucks anyway so I mean we are very if you go to any of our other locations so we try and fit in nobody wants to be next door to the tow I mean let's face it it's we don't have a good image to the public but when we started our company that was our goal was to change the image of the general public of what they view our industry as and we go above me on to try and shield whatever you know wrecked cars or carnage that you see so that it's not bad being our neighbor I mean I live next to my yard in Oceana and we have wisteria all up on the fence because it's a very aggressive and fast-growing plant it's drought resistant and it's a beautiful plant you know we try and do what we can to to be a good neighbor so in short I'm here you're saying you're comfortable with all these conditions of approval as far as the timing and the hours of operation and so forth yes I don't really see any major issues I mean the only one that that really concerns me is the fencing that they're requesting just because one to toe for law enforcement you you're supposed to have Bob wire and maybe the police department will kind of oversee that because we're supposed to have Bob wire we're supposed to have some kind of lighting in the yard and cameras so we're gonna have cameras up the two lights in the back are gonna be led I'm big on trying to save whatever money I can't be more efficient and try and shield it I mean that where that property line or where that yard line is isn't all the way down so I mean it's it should be fairly easy to shield that light so you're not happy with that type of fencing I mean short of barbed wire what are you what is your idea well I mean if that's what we have to go with that's what we have to go with it's just to me it's not very it doesn't she'll any of what we're gonna be storing if you're trying to paint a good image I'm being honest if you open up my gates in any of my yards it's not pretty and I mean you guys talked about a chain-link fence on the first item with the black framing and and the wood looking slats to me if I could get that any foot that's what I would put that's that looks good and it shields everything it's not on a major roadway I mean if you guys want the wrought iron up front that's fine there's not a lot of traffic on Ardmore it seems like a long link I lick over on the Golden Hill side do you think the chain-link would be more vulnerable okay I was just curious in your opinion I mean if it tenses are for honest people if they want in it doesn't matter what you put up they're gonna find a way in so mr. Coulter is it you said that law enforcement likes the the the barbed wire is that for keeping people from climbing over or what it's to try and prevent people from climbing over but like John said I mean if somebody wants in snipping a gate why are they gonna risk going over Bob wire they could just cut the cut the wire I mean and the wrought-iron you could just put a bottle jack in there and Jack it open and walk right in I mean if you want in you're going to get in so it doesn't matter what kind of fencing it is but my concern is you know along the Golden Hill side you're not going to have a lot of shielding and if you guys are trying to beautify it and make it look presentable I think the black chain link with the slacks would look a lot better along that golden Hill and the south side is the the current fence design has three feet or 4 feet a block and then the wrought iron above it Israel is the point of the block to keep somebody from breaking in and taking their car or was that City recommendation recommendation okay so recently so when so people breaking in is it to try and get their car out of there or to just steal parts or what what's your experience honestly the a few problems that we've had was people wanting to get their car out and not wanting to pay for it that's why I'm wondering if a partial masonry has is shown and then maybe something else on top if that's beneficial to you for security not so much so okay I mean if they want in you have the gates yes Commissioner Kobler have you had a you've got a caretaker adjacent to this one is that the case in your Ramada Drive location now - or is that just a yard that sits there Ramada Drive is just a yard with an office that's all it is right now okay so that may hope at least a little bit to have eyes on the facility did I understand you to say that you have problems at your current location with recreational vehicles being occupied at various times I hear that goodbye okay I thought they were being used as a transient lodging or something absolutely not okay so nobody is penetrating fencing right now for that kind of a purpose No okay okay thank you because I had a similar question yeah any other questions or comments thank you then thank you very much and any other comments from the audience seeing none then I will close the public hearing and bring it back to commission for discussion I'm sure yes I am not sure I have any answers of suggestions without thinking more but I am a little sensitive to well a couple things I appreciate your honesty because truthfully this isn't the kind of thing anybody wants to look at or live next to but it's necessary to have these facilities and I am a little sensitive to the screening issue and the fact that at least the one frontage if you will it's somewhat of a frontage on Golden Hill is not more permeable not more opaque I guess this is the property you know - Peugeot thank you you know whether it's a change in the material that's mounted above the wall or whether it's a change in the fencing I think that's something we may want to consider and I guess I'm curious from the staff perspective what was behind the recommendation for was a three-foot masonry wall with the fencing piece on top so of course nobody like we've established you know living next to a toy yard may not be ideal but I think also living next to a fortress may not be ideal so the idea is to find some balance between the two to provide the security needed to provide you know a three feet of block would likely block headlights that are you know that are driving through the lot but also to be attractive and then the vegetation would it would you know add that screening so you know there's lots of ways to get to the screening but the idea of staff's recommendation was based on it being attractive not being a you know because it's eight feet tall that's a very tall fence next to a residence and so you know maybe we've we've aired too far to the to the decorative side but the idea is to find a balance between security screening and a attractiveness thank you Caty the landscape plan correct me if I'm wrong I mean is it is this the level of detail that we're seeing right now it is a time a building permit well you know we would analyze down they provided some tree species and some ideas of the types of plants but this you know with the the way the fence is going to be it's we're not asking for as large of a setback as the airport Road site except up front where there would be some landscaping but those areas along Ardmore aren't necessarily that you know what's going to screen that's more of a you know an attractive buffer along the street so this would just be continuous it wouldn't be a very deep landscape so the idea would be the staff would would approve species selection and but it would just it would serve that function of screening I definitely think the landscape part of it will help with the aesthetics but I think it's the material that fencing is where work where we're at right now so many charile okay no more questions I'll make a motion if I could ask Katie to bring up the recommendations with changes thank you go from there yeah the last slide I think it was so I'd like to move approval of resolution a approving PD 1805 and CU p 1808 with the following amendments in addition twenty-six strike the words the applicant shall dedicate a and I would like to leave the requirement for earthtones not make that change and not make that should not make the change I leave the requirement to earth to earth time okay okay I have a second from Commissioner Donaldson and discussion on that seeing none Commissioner Neal I I'm sure Donald sigh mr. Castillo high surge Orson sure Kobler hi chairperson Davis aye motion passes six zero all right okay that brings us to discussion items consent calendar development review committee minutes and planning commission minutes we'd like to do those separately do those collectively then okay minutes okay do I have a motion for approval I move to approve consent calendar as written all right Commissioner Donaldson do I have a second discussion Richard Olson aye Commissioner Kobler aye Commissioner Neil I Commissioner Castillo okay where's your Orson chairperson Davis all right motion passes six zero okay and that brings us to other reports other committee reports how the housing constraints by specific plan ad hoc yes the housing constraints committee meeting were met in February they're acting as the steering committee for the housing element update they reviewed potential sites for affordable housing projects throughout the community they are scheduled to meet again with the consultant in March we're working toward probably a joint session with the City Council and the entire Planning Commission likely in May to look at a draft document we do need to get a draft into the state of California this summer for a review so that we can adopt the housing element before the end of the year which is the requirement okay I have a question this is Commissioner Donaldson's last meeting Commissioner Donaldson was appointed to that committee is there do we make another request to the council or do we just leave it with one know what we'll definitely want that position filled I think at your next meeting when we do the actual reorganization an election if we have any vacancies on any of our committees we should reappoint at that point thank you and we do appreciate your representing us on the housing constraints committee John and special plan ad hoc committee we're done there specific plan a doc yeah so we haven't had any meetings recently the Olsen specific plan was approved by the City Council last week the ordinance is come back for second reading next meeting after 30 days all the entitlements will be in effect if all goes ahead so that's that that's I think good news in terms of specific plan process in addition we have the Beachwood specific plan we are currently working to get the e I are released on that project by early March hopefully the end of next week as that document becomes available we'll be providing that to the Planning Commission so you have plenty of time to review that we're scheduled right now to release the gateway e IR this Friday I'm also providing copies of that although that's not a specific plan it is a large master plan annexation project similar to a specific plan so that would be provided the Planning Commission as soon as that's available as well okay Planning Commission comments and I'll start to my left commissioner Kobler just a question following up if any Warren so will we be notified by Rachel or somebody that those are available for pickup in the library per usual kind of notebooks the er's yes yeah okay we either notify you or we'll make them a bit we'll bring them to your next meeting it'll depend on when they're actually printed okay thank you nothing other than to thank and congratulate our Commissioner down the other end for serves the city and the time that we spent I spent at least with you here is very limited but you've been a welcome fresh breath breath the fresh air and a number of things and I've appreciated your perspective and viewpoints Thank You time it's been a joy you know I'm I'm humbled by your comments because I couldn't be happier to leave this in such good hands I think staff will probably agree I mean for years I'd say specifically obtains top-notch your hands on the wheels it's been a educational pleasure for me I got to say and I want to thank staff for all the great work over the years and stuff going forward by the way it's not just the HCC committee but this yeah that's that's right the two positions that need to be yeah that's all I have thank you how many meanings to thank John how many meetings do you think you were at and how many meetings do you think you attended how many years six years six years and you have a fingerprint on Paso Robles and we really thank you for your service I totally respected you as chair and it was really hard to come in a couple terms behind you I loved your your insight and how you thought and I'm just I'm really gonna miss you I said thank you very much for your service do I have any comments no this is my last meetings chair like I told some people we've had short-term rentals this year we've had a 200 unit apartment complex we've had some serious business to manage and I really think all of you for your commitment to the service I know I'm complaining but I I think I have grown a lot in this position and and I look forward to whoever we we have the appoint here in our next meeting so and that will be on what date so our next meeting is going to be Sunday that's our traditional reorganization meeting so six o'clock tooth and nail winery we're not sure if we're actually going to have the city clerk avail to do the swearing-in so if we can't do the swearing-in then we can't actually do the reorganization so it's possible that you might have to be chair to reopen the next Planning Commission meeting so that we can formally do the reorganization that we're still trying to figure out the logistics of all that so they I just wanted to make sure sure everybody knows that it's possible we're not actually going to do the formal reorganization at the dinner like we've done in the past okay thank you yeah so the other thing going on we do have the Planning Commission Academy that's next week Wednesday through Friday Katie and Lori Wilson will be going up there Darrin and I are staying back I think we have the two new commissioners and Leo going this time so that will be in Sacramento so that's always a good thing as I mentioned we're getting ready to release those ers the idea is to get both the Gateway and Beachwood projects to the Planning Commission in May so we do expect those projects to come together fairly quickly the red-tail apartments that 200 unit project that we spoke of was appealed to the City Council we are working right now on getting that ready for the council hearing that's tentatively scheduled for March 17th they're gonna rehear the whole project so they'll be making the final decision on that project our next meeting should be a fairly light meeting we'll probably do some reorganization appointments we have a couple time extensions but it'll probably a good meeting for some new commissioners we have a downtown park project that'll probably be ready in later March and then our planning secretary Rachel she's actually leaving the city so she replaced Monica about six months ago now she's moving on to another job so we're right now kind of in a transition period so in terms of getting the next staff reports out and things like that you'll probably be hearing from some people were playing I'm gonna have some temporaries in different positions for the foreseeable future as we get these positions all permanently refilled and that's what I got Darrin or Katie anything to add notice thank you John good luck you're great on DRC as well and thanks to you alright then I think it's time for an adjournment do I have a motion I would like to move to adjourn in a big way all right we'll let you suck at that - thank you [Applause] yeah

okay got it good evening I'd like to call the Planning Commission meeting to order for February 25th 2020 please rise and join me for the Pledge of Allegiance okay roll call please Commissioner Kobler Commissioner Neil here commissure barth Commissioner jorgeson we're sure Donaldson here Commissioner Castillo here chairperson Davis here so the record will reflect that Commissioner Barth is absent yes he did announce that last time and how about staff introductions warned phrase Community Development Director welcome all right thank you then it is now time on our agenda for any general public comments regarding matters not on tonight's agenda and it looks like we have Larry Ward coming Larry um Warner coming forward good evening Larry Werner 741 Orchard Drive I just wanted to let everybody know that today is a very special day and it's not my birthday it's not because we're having debates on TV tonight it's because today marks the 25th anniversary of the dedication of the City Council our City Hall Library facility I was digging through my old treasures in the attic and I found this invitation that was February 25th 1995 the dedication of this building and in the library you were there I was there you were there there are a lot of people there there was great history on this thing how them the money was raised through an organization called acorn and to see this happen you know I mean to see what we've had and what we've been able to take advantage of is just remarkable it was a really interesting event because Ray Bradbury the author was there and he spoke he signs mine there so it was an incredible event so it's just I just happened on this a couple days ago and just went wow we should remind ourselves how lucky we are thank you thank you for that Betty history Larry any other general comments public comments regarding matters not on tonight's agenda seeing no further comments coming forward we'll move on to any agenda items proposed to be tabled or risk there are none all right thank you and that leads us to agenda item 1 I'll read the description for us here all this technology now this is pretty exciting conditional use permit 19-12 planned development 19 - 16 an oak tree removal 19-25 can I have a snap report please and that's Darcy yes thank you good evening madam chair and members of the Commission me bear with me while I get this going gonna advance new technology but it's frozen well we'll go back to some old technology so the item before you tonight is a request for approval of a conditional use permit and development plan to establish an outdoor storage yard on the vacant lot adjacent to an existing industrial park so this is a three point two eight acre site it's owned by the city the applicant mr. J Hammond is leasing the site from the city and he will be subleasing the site as part of this project it is in the airport plan development overlay zoning district so the plan is to create three separate lease sites on this outdoors within the outdoor storage yard itself so Simba is become one of the companies that would be leasing the site closest to Airport Road there a commercial agricultural supply company they will be doing vehicle and tank storage so there's going to be 14 12 thousand gallon called poly tanks for fertilizer fertilizer material and they would also have a 4,500 square foot indoor commercial space as also also the remaining two acres of the site would be used for just general outdoor storage I'm not sure that leases have been determined yet for those other areas so then also as part of the request is the oak tree removal so there's two oak trees on the site and just so you understand that the that action is that before you tonight is a recommendation to City Council's the oak tree removals will go to City Council in this case you'd be making a recommendation based on the site plan the trees could be retained on the site if the City Council denied the request term of them so here's the site location map and I've highlighted in yellow the outdoor storage yard so this is you know on the east side of Airport Road just north of the pretty much as nor the northernmost end of all the industrial parks that are along Airport Road I've also highlighted the indoor storage area where the they would be doing Simplot would be having some maybe some office equipment indoor storage for materials that can't be that wood wouldn't necessarily be in the outdoor area they need to be protected from the elements access from the air to the storage yard would be through the existing industrial park so there's some driveways and I have a kind of closer up site plan to show you that so the least area i've delineated least area one so that would be four Simplot so you you'll notice that there would be a new tank farm also see if I can get this so this blue area that would be the indoor storage let's see so some thought they're gonna be having one two and five ton trucks being stored on the site as I mentioned there the tanks would have fertilizer products chemical storage inside the building the remaining two acres would be for future tenants so here I've delineate at least area two and then also at least area three also I wanted to call out where the access gates are again being accessed through the existing industrial park and so here are the oak tree removals the first is tree number one which is closer to Airport Road is a 12 hybrid Valley blue oak and the 31 inch tree further back is a Valley Oak so the first tree is in poor condition so Cory Meier did the arborist report and noted that it's important dition it's stressed and it is showing signs that the trunk is susceptible to splitting so he recommended that that should be removed the second tree which is much larger tree you can see that it has kind of a one-sided canopy so it has to die back on the canopy and I have a picture showing that there's been past branch failure this one seems to be in a more stressed condition and and arbors also recommends removal and in the event that the trees were asked to be to be retained on site the city council denied the request we do have a condition of approval in this development plan that would require protection of the trees and just make you know for the duration of the project so here's a perspective view this would be looking south east on Airport Road so I've called out the outdoor storage yard and indoor storage for the Simplot lease so here a long Airport Road the green strip is really just highlighting the landscape requirements so an outdoor storage yard there we have performance standards in our zoning code that require a minimum of the 25-foot landscape landscape setback along an arterial in this case Airport Road is an arterial but one of the things with the outdoor storage yard to make it compatible and this in this area would also staffs recommending that that be extended 50 feet inward into the project so that 25-foot landscape setback would extend inward to provide additional screening opportunities also the performance standard for outdoor storage uses includes a decorative wall and so the applicant does propose to have perimeter fencing in this case we would similar similar to the landscaping wrapping around it would be good too the more decorative fencing wrap around just at that corner so as you're coming southbound on Airport Road you would you know would kind of help increase the look in that area so the applicants proposing to use chain-link with slots for all of the perimeter fencing staff is recommending in order to comply with that zoning code requirement for a more decorative material without going full masonry attract some material so I actually have a sample that of that material and I'll hop I have staff pass it around so this material was proposed for a battery storage for an e V charging station on Spring Street and so they had a fenced enclosure and they proposed this trucks material stuff thinks that it meets that more decorative quality without being overly decorative the when the item went to the DRC the DRC thought that chain-link would probably be adequate with with a an efficient amount of landscaping so knowing that there's that 25-foot landscape setback it is possible to chain-link could work but staff believes that Trek's is a heart it meets that decorative quality without being a masonry and just to note that the DRC did think that masonry would be a little overkill at this location just because of the industrial setting and the maintenance over time just even if appropriate all right so I did want to kind of add in a condition a clarification to condition number four just to note that the fencing staff did intend for it to wraparound along with the landscaping so this is a modification just enter into the record it was not written that clearly in the staff report you have tonight so this slide kind of just shows some of the specific items that were identified in the conditions of approval outdoor storage yards are appropriate in the airport zone it's a commercial industrial area but really we're just looking at how to increase its compatibility for via the use of screening with with walls or fencing and then in landscaping so in this case there's minimum landscape buffers so 25 feet long Airport Road and then to wrap around the applicant proposes to have landscaping also on the northern boundary there's a condition that requires landscape plan be prepared by a licensed architect and that what this would do would we would get a landscape plan that shows that the spacing between plants the the species and then anything else that would help you know just make sure we're getting enough plants in that area also the the fencing so it would be an 8 foot tall fence staff is recommending that the the material be specifically attracts or similar instead of the chain-link and for that to be a long airport road frontage and again to wrap around inward into the project site and lastly I wanted to note that staff added a condition to limit the future use of the site and since it is outdoor storage and the use would run with the land if in the future we had let's say like an outdoor vehicle storage or RV storage or tow yard we might want to revisit that so essentially that would require if somebody came forward to use this outdoor storage for something that might we haven't identified that would come back for a modification to Cu P so the options before you tonight would be to prove the project as as as proposed which would include approving the conditional use permit and development plans I subject to site-specific conditions of approval also making a recommendation on the oak tree removal to Council another option might be to approve the project modifications again staffs recommendation on the material fencing is a little more specific as well as you know the wrapping the fencing and the landscape screening inward into the project site lastly you might want to refer back to staff or DRC for more analysis and or denied the project by adopting findings we do have the applicant here tonight to help answer any questions I'm also happy to answer any questions and that concludes my presentation okay thank you Darci and I'll ask the Commission do you have any questions of staff sure minimum landscape buffers I think you mean to say landscape plan prepared by a licensed Landscape Architect I agree with you do you think the actual condition reads like qualified landscape professional it might not even say landscape architect's but we don't know what a qualified landscape professional is I think it needs to say licensed landscaper in my opinion yes mark a few questions on the use itself the text and a site plan showed 14 tanks but the perspectives get you having a screen showed 20 explain the plan is for 14 tanks the perspective was very early one of the earliest versions but it was a good perspective we didn't get a second one so I thought it would just be helpful to display the information well as a part of the conditions that discusses the landscape and grading plan we'll the grading plan look at a spill containment area as part of this there's a hundred and sixty eight thousand gallons of material stored there and if there was ever kind of catastrophic event will a grading plan be such that it will try to contain that on site so I do know that our City Engineer looked at is looking at the grading plans they have been submitted concurrently with this request for the CP in the development plan and also the fire department so those specific concerns I believe would be addressed by the those two departments okay and final question does this limit the storage of just to this liquid fertilizer product or could they change products as a part of this sometime in the future so the way it's set up is that they could change the product if they're think that one of the conditions is broadly written to that storage to be those generally associated with you know the use of the site so they should they're not looking for them to change it from drastically from vehicle and tank storage or general outdoor storage in the back to lease areas but not specific enough that we would prevent them from making some changes if the new lessee would want to occupy the site yeah and I have no idea if they changed some of the materials or flammable implications or something to that but just curious thank you yes Garza just clarification - did I hear you correctly you said the direct fence that's recommending the trucks fencing wrap around the entire North border so not the entire North border but essentially on the screen where you see the green so that would represent landscape setback but okay but but also for the fencing to wrap around and meet up you know with the Lant the 50 50 feet inward essentially and into the project site both the landscaping and the trucks fencing and then for it to chain link beyond that great thanks for that clarification any other questions I have two Darcy so three point two eight eight acres one point to us for this storage what is the other storage going to do we know sue the applicant might be able to answer that I think that there may have been something in the works but there's nothing officially when we process the application that we could identify the other lease sites of who potentially would be there okay and then secondly has the Airport Commission reviewed this application or to what extent do they review it and what is their role so the Airport Commission didn't we didn't do a formal presentation of this this presentation to them I'm not sure if they did review it but the airport manager was aware of the project I know that the the least that the police of agreement itself went through City Council it's possible that the airport manager was involved in those meetings but the the site was essentially proved to be leased out for outdoor storage pending you know features conditional use permit development land actually three questions so did DRC make the decision to make it 50 feet wrapping around for the dancing and landscaper that was a suggestion posted ERC that staff recommended so really falling back to the performance standards for outdoor storage use and since the DRC was more comfortable was comfortable with not requiring a masonry wall so the way the performance standards are written it really suggested masonry and DRC felt otherwise that if there was you know adequate landscaping and you know a decent fence it could look appropriate at this location and we can meet that criteria so staff suggested that Trek's fencing since it's a little bit more decorative without you know decorative than the chain-link chain links typically not considered a decorative fencing material but then in addition to that to wrap that landscaping around and the fencing material around to just you know outdoor storage there's gonna be things that you're gonna see so if you could kind of just create a little bit of a buffer as you're coming into town into the city along Airport Road that was the intent behind it but kind of softens the view but the entire one would be fenced of some right so the rest of right so where the green is essentially that L shape would be 25-foot landscape set back landscaped area with attracts fencing material and then you'll see that there is some landscaping courser to work again so then there is some landscaping that goes along here yeah yeah and that's probably like a five foot I believe and then again that fencing right here would be then convert or transition to that chain link with slats okay as proposed or recommended by staff okay all right thank you so no further questions Commissioner questions of staff then I will open it up for a public hearing and perhaps we could go to the applicant first if you're interested yeah hi Jay my name is John Hammond the third I live on Vine Street I don't see that or not I have a kind of statement but it's already here thank you madam chair and planning commissioners I have a lease agreement to secure Simplot corporation as a tenant in my father's industrial park on propeller Drive this agreement is contingent upon having a storage yard and tank varmint for their operations directly to the north of the warehouse and the proposal you spot I have a tentative 50-year lease with the city of Paso Robles for the 3.2 acres but it is a contingent on Simplot and this storage yard going in if the conditional use is permit is approved I would be grading the area and adding a DG base and fencing the 3 acre area as Darcy was mentioning with required stormwater retention on site as well and in pursuit of simple ought to open a business some location Paso Robles and negotiated a firm fixed cost to improve this area in exchange Simplot would agree to a multi-year release so I kind of already have a tentative budget for this and I'm in agreement with the staff report except for the decorative fencing that they're proposing simple as requirement is for a knee-high fence chain-linked for security and for privacy and we would like to have the privacy slats installed this similar fence system was approved across the street over at G Wyman's a building that is just now finishing up he has an 8-foot fence with privacy slats only on the front we were proposing for privacy slats around the perimeter of our fence facing the north and the west and also the south but gee Wyman's project was also approved with just a privacy fence without having a trex decorative design the airport road elevation is to be heavily landscaped with trees and shrubs to screen the actual fencing material so similar to what the airport city has designed and built to the south side of the airport they also have the center very similar shrubs with privacy fence for an 8-foot fence so the city itself did the same exact thing so to make them change for me but the staffs recommendation for the Gateway for the seamy wall or sorry decorative fencing would be too costly and might jeopardize the loss of my tenant and possibly the 50-year lease with the city of Paso Robles for myself so the price the cost gets too excessive then we'll have to back out and then therefore you lose the 50 release from me so yeah thank you for considerations if you have any questions for me on the project yes they update us see see if we have any questions yes no any questions while he's at the podium can you address the containment question that I asked will there be provisions should any spillage occur to keep it on-site they do you have a retention area so unfortunately it's not on these slides but the foundation has have I think it's a 10 inch containment area inside their poly the toilet tank storage and then they have a retention basin that they'll be pumping out into another tank storage on-site so one of those 14 tanks is for retention any other questions while you're up there and what kind of other storage do you anticipate on the rest of the property so the lease area 3 I do have and Tom style who's currently a tenant of my father's they are gonna be using that for granite slab storage so it's just gonna be excess space for them so they're gonna be granite slabs on a frames I don't think they won't exceed a foot high height or anything so they should be pretty well screened least area - we are still looking for another tenant for that area we don't have anything as of yet but I would assume that we're probably trying to aim for something similar to like a Simplot or we'd have some commercial truck storage possibly some equipment storage as well so but right now we don't have a tip okay yeah thank you all right thank you so much and are there any other members of the general public who would like to comment in this item okay seeing none I will then close the public hearing and bring it back to the Commission for further comments and discussion just a point of clarification the wyman property is does not front Airport Road it is back off of Airport Road so I think when we approved the wyman project we took that into consideration but I was on DRC when this item came and based on the location we did not absolutely did not feel that masonry was the appropriate product for that fencing but I felt that the slotted chain-link would probably be fine in that location if the landscape was increased significantly so I think that's what that's what we talked about in DRC so that's was my position okay still is I'm sure being on DRC as well for that particular meeting I would echo Commissioner Neal's comments the thing I would wonder I would use the same language and it takes significantly more landscaping than what's shown that Prohm a plan to satisfy that buffering in my perspective I don't know what point in time the additional landscaping begins to get close to the tracks fencing another Trek's fencing is a much more expensive material it doesn't have durability issues or anything else that the slats may have over time but again I think it's going if if the slat fencing goes in with a chain like it's going to take more landscape material to buffer that okay and I do have a question of staff with that Darcy with that then go back to DRC for the landscape plan or to staff I think I read to staff so condition number five is written for landscape final landscape irrigation plans to be provided for a city staff review we can clarify that that if the Planning Commission desires that that would come back to the DRC and also in that condition number five as for Roberta I mentioned earlier to clarify the plans being prepared by a licensed Landscape Architect that might also be something that Commission might want to elaborate on when she Donaldson I see something coming forward yeah am i reading your mind I'm still trying to understand staffs the nexus of staff's recommendation for the trek specs and treks fencing thank you very much was that for lack of landscape or give me give me staff stake on that again please and if I may sorry before you answer Warren for some reason the first night we had this new system it sounded great but now I'm hearing more echo off the back and less out of these speakers here I could barely hear Commissioner cochlear when he was talking I don't know you can change anything but I'm not so we do have the technician in the back so we'll let him know that we're having problems okay I appreciate it is it just [Music] you can't hear either we're trying to read lips all right to jorgeson how about you Castillo can you hear okay but you can't hear that side very well I I think so mark in Commissioner Neal can you hear this side okay so your side's okay all right okay soon are you back there and I will say that some of staff's comments were a bit muffled I don't remember that from previous our last yeah the first time we use this it was greater clarity yeah okay so we'll report that to the text okay later that's great okay back to Commissioner Donaldson sorry for that sidetrack okay so we have in our section the zoning code that specifically applies to outdoor storage yards and it says that those uses within commercial industrial zones we need to use a combination of walls or fencing and landscaping and a long route or roads that that should be a decorative masonry wall unless approved otherwise approved by the Planning Commission so when the applicant proposed a chain-link fence staff does not consider that to be a decorative material so we got past the masonry but now we're just working with decorative so that's really what we're we had another material that was presented D or C had looked at it so the treks fencing seemed like it could be meet that requirement of the zoning code to provide more decorative quality and it was it's you know suggestion so the way the conditions also written is or similar so maybe there's something else similar so that if the Planning Commission doesn't agree with that material but maybe think something a little bit more than chain-link it could you know go in that direction okay I'm thinking about some of the storage yards like on combine Avenue that have the chain-link and really ugly white so it's specific to arterial roads so as we've heard about the winding project so that one is set back so that was that's like a four lot parcel map and that project is on on the back lot so if a project came forward on Airport Road that is storage use you know it's gonna require development plan a conditional use permit I daran might want to lab rate on that so I think you worked on it but we'd be looking at the same situation so it's possible then on the other side without Lyman site that this question could come up again of a decorative material so so the decorative material issues just on Airport Road you're saying honey arterioles in this case Airport okay thank you that's okay and then further south you mostly have buildings that align Airport Road for that stretch so there might be a few uses secondary uses to some of those buildings where you might have a fenced in area so chain-link is used in the area but in this case the outdoor storage you know the the requirement points to a decorative fence and it's specific to outdoor storage uses so through this conditional use permit and this development plan process that's where staff is taking that section of the zoning code and recommending that that decorative material be something higher than a chain-link material okay thank you for that if I can follow up can I ask you to our CI I drove out Ardmore and that I don't know if you would consider that a future arterial road but they have the slats and looked pretty nice I actually thought out in the Ardmore area the spur and and there were a couple of other new developments out there I don't know if we're considering that arterial yet but it's certainly part of her circulation plan so I'm pretty sure it's a collective defined as a collector just a memorial more information so hard more as a collector and I don't know if who was on the Planning Commission when case-specific came through case-specific was an example of wanting to use a chain-link fence and they were against that requirement to do something decorative and I think that in between the DRC and the Planning Commission the chain-link with a 5 foot setback was and what was approved for case as you can see a lot of development has happened on Ardmore the Dave spur project the building setback there was concern the outdoor storage from some of the residential to the south so that project had a setback they had I think tubular steel in the front before they transition to chain-link the yard next to Dave spur which is property he owns he fenced in chain-link all the way out to the street which was not part of the development plan for his yard so when that project comes forward we're gonna need to revisit the fencing on that property I know Daniels woman has their own design coming in on Airport Road we're gonna have the two parcels of the rest of that wyman project that are going to be up against Airport Road where we're going to be looking at the same kind of question who knows if there'll be have yards or not and we're hoping to have buildings maybe fronting the road with maybe any kind of storage in the back so we'll see how that design works out on Dry Creek Road we're anticipating an RV storage project coming in so right now we have Triana we've have you know different things and we have old yards that have been there forever like new no and then you transition to some extent accrues biotech so there's a lot of things going on out on Dry Creek as well so just when we look at the the outdoor storage requirement of the zoning code on an arterial is where this staffs suggestion of doing something more decorative than chain-link and status is where it's coming from chain-link on slide is typical no matter where you are whether it's a storage yard or not for for security so I think my concern since we're all talking here is that that the be ample landscaping and my sentiment is maintaining the slat and and enough landscaping would be sufficient that's kind of where I'm coming from I I know we're looking at land use but it's exciting to see something happening out the airport having Simplot there would be very exciting that's on the economic vitality aspect I know but I'm inclined to support DRC his recommendation are not recommendation but DRC's thoughts ma'am sure yes I would agree with you on that I I'm fine with the setbacks and the landscaping that uh commissioner nail commissioner Kohler suggested in their DRC meeting there's other chain-link fence along that road caddy corner to that location that's not as aesthetically pleasing it's right up on arterial road so I'm I would support that as well any other comments my only comment would be if we're gonna depend on landscaping we need to find a way to define well what the landscaping is since we don't have a plan I don't know how to do that okay first of all I would agree with them excuse me a comment that was just offered the the chain-link fence with slats that's pictured on page 13 of the report is a black fence post and I assume a black fence fabric I think there's chain link and there's chain-link I think the black is a lot more aesthetically pleasing than a galvanized product and so if we go with that I would identify that it's as stipulated and showing all the black fencing I think it's important back to you Roberta on your thank you for that any other comments well just to again second what Roberta said about the the landscape maybe we can put in the conditions of approval that that plan come back to DRC everybody feel comfortable with that I would be fine with that coming back okay a full landscape plan okay and we're there yet okay so madam chair I would move to approve draft resolution a excuse me have you seen it Exhibit C I believe it's page 22 it's but this is what we saw a DRC in DRC did not at least I did not feel that this was sufficient to allow the chain link so what we're looking at here represents the revised landscape plan staff you can staff help us out on that yes so this this plan was submitted posterior see the initial plan that was the deer seesaw had a much narrow setback I don't know if it was 5 feet 10 feet from Airport but this one was resubmitted to reflect a 25-foot landscape step back the it is the latest plan that was submitted it does not reflect the wrap around the corner sue that was a recommendation by staff so there is a note on the north west corner that's the 25 foot wide landscape area to wrap around the storage yard in extent and word 50 feet and it might be difficult to read so staff annotated the preliminary landscape plans to include that it is right here yeah so it sounds like the the Commission's an agreement on the chain link there the more decorative chain link as commissioner cog ler pointed out subject to landscape so the I think the best way to do that is maybe a more detailed plan escape plan come back to DRC hate to do that that's probably a better option financially than the in the treks anyways so so your motion and your motion stands well I didn't really get to do I got started so again madam chair moved to prove draft was a resolution a attachment to approving conditional use permit 19-2 in flat development 1916 19-12 I'm sorry in plan development 19 - 16 subject to conditions of approval with the changes to number four that the fencing the chain-link the black chain-link fencing with the slots is sufficient and number five that a more detailed landscape plan come back to DRC for review and approval all second okay so I have a motion from Commissioner Donaldson in a second from Commissioner meal point of clarification I'm sure yes there was discussion about the requirement for a landscape architect to be involved with the landscape plan that came back to DRC and I just want to make sure that we have that information if that's the Planning Commission because this plan here I believe is done by either the civil engineer the applicant and I just want to make sure if if the Planning Commission is looking for something more specific for that 25 feet and there was discussion about a landscape architect designing it I want to make sure we're putting that in a condition to come back to DRC well I don't think this what we've seen here is a screening design and I'm not sure that a civil engineer it depends on who it is obviously but as a in a category civil engineers not trained to do landscape design or irrigation so I would personally up to the Commission like see Landscape Architect provide a screening design which is the whole point and the reason that work that we have agreed to not have a decorative fence because this design isn't a screening design I think he's looking for what condition was that five and I'm comfortable with the addition of the landscape architect to provide the screening okay plan so I had that to the motion it sounds like my second is good with that as well so I do have a motion on the floor mr. Neil but the second and discussion okay seeing no more discussion I'll call for the vote mr. Donaldson hi commissioner Neil hi mister Kobler aye mr. Castillo hi Minister jorgeson chairperson Davis aye motion passes six zero and then we have a second motion resolution be Tasman three recommending approval of oak tree removal 19-25 to the City Council second to second from Neil from Commissioner Kobler and discussion and then I'll call for the vote Commissioner Donaldson hi come ashore Kobler I Commissioner Neal I come ashore Castillo High Commissioner Gerson hi chairperson Davis hi motion passes six zero all right and that moves us to agenda item 2 general plan amendment 19 - 0 0 3 rezone 19 - 2 0 3 planned development 19 0 13 and conditional use permit 19 - 16 yes madam chair members of the Commission this is a request actually the city initiated request for a series of entitlements for to allow for the first step homeless navigation Center this is the navigation Center proposed to be on the help of the wastewater treatment plant 3,100 Sulphur Springs Road this project includes a general plan amendment a rezone a development plan and a conditional use permit this vicinity map is showing where the proposed location is looking at the red dot on the screen here this is highway 46 East heading out towards Golden Hill Road this is highway 101 heading to the north off of the on-ramp to the highway is Sulphur Springs Road that goes to the wastewater treatment plant which is the facility up here to the north this small just over an acre site is the proposed location for the warming shelter so this is the site plan for it as you come in so onto Sulphur Springs Road coming into the site thus oriented a little differently than the vicinity map north would be to the left of the plan building would be located along with the parking lot along the side there's an existing oak tree here at the center and then this would be the area of the shelter site so the project consists of constructing a 7,500 square foot metal building that would accommodate up to a 48 bed dormitory-style homeless navigation Center and shelter facility tonight we're looking for a general plan amendment to the land use map the site where the shelter is located is currently zoned commercial service and we are looking to redesign eight that two public facilities also the zoning map needs to be amended changing the site designation from c3 commercial industrial to public facility and there are various text changes within the zoning code that tweaks here and there to different sections in order to accommodate this facility and align everything with this the shelter as proposed then along with that is the development plan for the site planning and the architecture and then the conditional use permit for the operation of the facility so looking at the zoning map right now the the whole site including the wastewater treatment plant is zoned commercial and light industrial so the the photo on the left or the diagram on the left is the current zoning map this red area here is what we're looking to change to what's shown on the right hand side is shown as public facilities the blue cross hatched area so the zoning amendment we're asking you to make a recommendation to Council for tonight would be to change that from the commercial c3 to the public facility the land use side of things is a little different on the left the wastewater treatment plan itself where the facilities are is already has a land use of public facilities but the lower section of the site where the shelter is proposed is zoned or as a land use designation of commercial service so we need to change this red area from commercial service to public facility so be consistent was with the rest of the wastewater treatment plan and then these are the sections of the text changes throughout the zoning code to align these sections with the project so this is a project that the city has is working with the El Camino homeless facility in Atascadero that organization runs the facility in Atascadero the city is looking at Echo running this facility as well Jeff Alma shot is here he's the director of the homeless program and will be involved with this he is here along with Julie Dolan who can give us they'll give us a little more feedback on the shelter project and why it has come up as a a goal for the city and then how Echo's involves what we're looking for the Commission to do tonight is to make recommendations on the mitigated negative declaration for the project the general plan amendment the rezone and the useful development plan on to the City Council so that one conclude the my report here but I think Julie Dolan will give us a kind of some background on the homeless program for the city of PAS so good evening commissioners here we go so just giving a brief overview of how we are here tonight and it has indeed been a long road to establishing homeless services in Paso Robles and frankly it was fraught with potholes the last time I addressed all of you in the Planning Commission but I have more optimistic news to share this evening as I present a brief recap of our progress we have established and we've been confronted with a variety of milestones as we make our way into what is very new territory for community services community development and the city as a whole our efforts began with City Council's November 2018 declaration of a shelter crisis in the city of Paso Robles this decision was based partly on the 2017 point-in-time count that indicated at least 97 people within the city were experiencing homelessness a number we suspected was vastly under estimating our challenge taking this step also qualified the city to apply for grant funds to begin to more significantly meet our needs and you may recall then that the city applied for the heat grant in 2019 the homeless emergency aid program is fun by the state and administered by San Luis Obispo County we had an extremely tight timeline in developing a plan and submitting an application the grant provides immediate one-time funding and required partnerships to qualify recognizing the sustained success of the El Camino homeless organization in overseeing a homeless shelter in Atascadero we gladly worked with Wendy Lewis and her staff to co-author a grant proposal in April 20 19 the SLO County Board of Supervisors awarded the city over 1.5 million dollars with a little over one third of the funds to support echo and the remainder to assist the city in constructing a warming Center meanwhile our suspicions of a more significant homelessness problem were confirmed with the release of the 2019 point in time count last August estimates jumped from 97 to over 200 people experiencing homelessness in Paso Robles underscoring the urgency of establishing homeless services in our community the city also recognized the complexities in developing policies designing and operating a warming center and generating sufficient funding to sustain these operations we received city council approval to extend our collaboration with echo contracting the services of a Paso Robles homeless services director employed by Echo Jeff Alma shot was hired last November and has been laying the groundwork for a successful homeless services Center for Paso Robles ever since Jeff as we said is present this evening and will gladly answer any questions that may arise regarding programming and though the future was at times uncertain I am happy to announce that design work is now well underway for the first step homeless services Center at 3100 Sulphur Springs Road we expect to break ground on the center this May and to begin operations in May of 2021 of course that's when the true work begins establishing paths out of homelessness for a good many people in partnership with echo the city will continue to engage our citizens for their understanding and support of these very necessary services we will work with existing social services agencies to bring their services to the clients at the center and we will seek additional grants as well as private donations to sustain operations tonight we continue the journey in making all of this a reality thank you Thank You Julie do we have any questions while Julie is here all right thank you so much you have questions for Darren for Darren okay on this general plan amendment is the public facilities designation is that is that new you said that this the treatment plan is currently so in public facilities so we currently have a public facilities or designation go ahead okay so this is this this change is just for this this area from from commercial services to public facilities correct adjustments that okay thank you okay so is that all for stuff that is we didn't get too much in the site plan or anything like that so I would be happy to to discuss that further if there's any questions the conditional use permit itself the conditions related to the the use permit are really kind of the operation rules and regulations that echo has provided so if there's any questions related to the operations of the facility that's where Jeff could come in and he's available if there's some questions specific questions there but other than our the three of us sir okay Commissioner Jorgensen has a question Darren could you walk us through the pedestrian access because I know that's been a point of discussion since the beginning of identifying this site so this project part of the environmental review of this project discuss the need for shuttling folks to this facility and the separately the city's looking into the feasibility of providing there's trails in the intersection area below the bridge over to the commercial that are evident that people use to get to this area however that's something that is kind of separate from what we're looking at tonight is we need to look at the feasibility the safety in how that crossing of the on-ramp how all that will work where it should be cross that working with Caltrans because it's Caltrans right away so that's a little bit more of a different question for another time that we're working on for this facility were focused on the site itself yes commissioner yes I do a couple of site plan and maybe even operational questions that maybe Jeff and Julie team with so my understanding is this elaborate 24 hours a day seasonally at the initial level of 36 when it becomes 48 then it sounds like it goes to a year-round facility why that break point why isn't it right from the shoot when it's finished housing 36 people year-round I know this current building is designed for the 36 the 40 we'll take an extension and addition constructionwise to the building will elect Jeb further that detail right now the funding allows for 36 beds if we have additional funding that might come from an additional County HUD grant that we're looking at we would be able to go to 48 beds the plan is that we would have dinner program every night throughout the year we would have a shelter service where people would stay over for the evening six months out of the year we are looking for funding so that we could operate it 12 months out of the year but right now the the funding limits us to six months for for overnight facilities so the answer is the funding is the limited funding yes okay yes discussion is that there will be a shuttle to transport clients but I would presume again people will walk in they'll bike in with by trailers and I understand it might be an issue to defer in terms of the safety but at the DRC when we reviewed this I think that whole issue of access was a concern something it hopefully can be addressed by the city and/or Caltrans another aspect of that is that if you look at the aerial sulfur springs is right on top of the northbound lanes for 101 you look at the fence that separates the two it's an open egg weave fence metal about three feet tall with three stands of barbed wire across the top it's compromised in many areas where people have either broken a down or it's worn down who would be responsible for putting an appropriate separation fence in there to keep anybody from inadvertently or intentionally wandering out to the right away because this area will attract more people now than it has in the past when it was just a sewage treatment plant so you're talking about the fence along the the on-ramp the 101 on-ramp correct I understand the facility per the plans that's going to have a fence around it but it's going to be attracting people that may get there when that gate is locked or whatever and what that fence is is really totally inadequate that separates the roadway from Sulphur Springs the freeway from and I'm wondering if that can be addressed with Caltrans or somebody whose fences cities is the states but it's it's a pretty poor barrier for anybody to keep them off that roadway and I think guys the question about the trail I'm working with Caltrans I think the fencing is a great question I think it's something we can explore and see what we can do to get that maybe that maybe the fencing comes down in some areas to allow for the trail to be used but I think that's something that needs to be looked in with that trail question I think that needs to be on the discussion agenda with the state for sure so the other question I had is so the sewage treatment plant right now is a locked gate at various times and will that be moved back such that the new homeless center is behind that you're behind that gate so is there in front of the gate rather or will that gate stay where it is and how will the locking of that gate impact the accessibility of the homeless Center the gates to the facility are beyond this where this the gates of the water with what a treatment plant facility are beyond this site I would respectfully disagree with that I looked at it today mmm it certainly appeared that those gates unless I was was getting out of perspective are you come to those first before you come to this facility so there's a set of gates right at Sulphur Springs yes yeah so and they had padlocks on them that we're waiting to be used when it was closed I think is terms operationally as you know with dealing with the hours of operation of this facility the city itself is going to have to determine and work together with the facility and make sure that access can be provided okay and don't constrain these comments to be in any way shape or form negative to the development proposal that's before us I think it's a great facility I think staff and others have done fantastic work in bringing us the only other thing I had was a very minor thing that in the document which is is the rules or guidelines or whatever the echo is they frequently make reference to various standards and things that they have related to property owned by echo in this particular case they don't own this site it's owned by the city so assume that language will be changes say owned or leased by echo so that doesn't compromise the ability to enforce some of those standards we can make that note and changes thank you just in the same document actually exhibit section 3.0 point C 0.5 I think we've got some of the numbers incorrect it says overnight staffing overnight staffing will include two parents staff person or trained volunteer for 30 prints a teen shelter clients so is it 2 or 1 or is it 18 or 30 so I guess that just needs to be clarified the page you're looking at 109 on and that's number it's 5 number 5 overnight staffing ok and can you repeat the question sure so overnight staffing will include 2 parentheses parentheses we would love to have more than 1 or 2 staff available overnight it comes back to funding so it is one staff per 18 people so with 36 beds we anticipate having 2 staff there every night so with one per 18 yes yes question kind of a follow-up to my earlier one at the DRC meeting there was discussion of folks that would come in bye-bye so come by trailer will or with trailers will those people be accommodated on this transport bus or will they because I believe even the architect Larry gabriel talked about how it was dying such that people could park their bikes and trailers where they could actually see them because they like to keep an eye on their possessions so it implied they were going to be bicycles with bike trailers with them will the transport move those folks to this site also in my experience I don't know that that's possible to transport carts and bicycles I don't know the vehicle that would do that unless it's pretty large people who are bringing carts we do have a cart storage area that will be locking at night we're also going to have bike racks and we're determining the best way to secure those bikes okay and that may mean we have a program where we're providing locks or we require locks we're just we're determining the best practice all right any other questions all right thank you very much at this time I think it's time to open up for public hearing and if you'd like to make any comments on this item please come forward I don't see anyone okay seeing none I will then close the public hearing and bring it back to the Commission for a further discussion be sure I could see you I thought I saw something good yeah I mean I mean maybe I'm missing a numbers thing but this total square footage isn't adding up to the total usage of square footage proposed in this am I just not reading that correctly I'm getting six thousand nine hundred forty one square feet so there's a 584 square feet not accounted for as far as usage goes page 37 proposed facilities where it breaks down what the space will be used for maybe that's just I'm guessing it's no wiggle room in net to gross out to gross I'm guessing obviously I'm not the wind dancer then I guess is that a fair question for staff do we want to ask that I think that sounds reasonable don't know if it's counting hallways and closets and different things this is listing the amenities footages but natural make a motion okay thank you I move to approve draft resolution a recommending that the City Council certify the projects mitigated negative declaration okay I have a motion of the table from Commissioner Neill do I have a second a second and a second from Commissioner steel see ya discussion seeing none I will call for the vote Commissioner Neill I commercial Castillo aye Commissioner Donaldson okay mr. Jordan I Fisher Kobler aye chairperson Davis hi motion passes six zero we're there okay and could I have a question on via straw vote on recommendation on B yeah that's a typo so just ignore that madam chair I'd like to make okay Thank You commissioner I'd like to move to approve draft resolution be indicating support for general plan amendment GPA 1900 3 to change the general plan land-use map for APNs 0 0 8 - 0 5 1 - 0 - 6 0 0 8 - 2 0 5 1 - 2 0 0 4 0 0 8 - 0 5 1 - 2 0 0 6 0 0 8 - 2 0 5 1 - 0 0 - from commercial services cs2 public facilities PF ok Commissioner Neill and do I have a second a second second by Commissioner Castillo and discussion Commissioner Neal I through strictest do high construed Donaldson I Fisher jorgeson High Commissioner Kobler aye chairperson Davis aye motion passes 6 0 madam chair I'd like to make a motion thank you approved I'd like to move to approve draft resolution C recommending that the City Council adopt an ordinance amending the zoning map consistent with the general plan amendment Neil do I have a second second and discussion seeing none I'll call for the vote we're sure Neil hi mr. Castillo hi mr. Donaldson hi mr. jorgeson High Commissioner Kobler aye chairperson Davis hi motion passes six zero madam chair I'd like to make a motion thank you I'd like to move to approve draft resolution D recommending the City Council approved conditional use permit 1916 and PD 19-13 subjects subject to conditions of approval and findings okay do have a second house like it second from mr. Castillo thank you very much discussion can staff ask for clarification we raised a couple clarifications the operations agreement about the staffing levels and then the ownership versus leasing did with those intended be corrected they were okay and how's the second yep seconds fine with that motion and second stand I'll call for the vote Commissioner Neal I assure Castillo hi mr. Donaldson hi Richard Ryerson hi mr. Kobler aye chairperson Davis aye motion passes six zero right good luck it's exciting that leads us now to agenda item three tentative parcel map PR 19-0 zero six four and conceptual plan development PD ninth and s11 and staff report please I think it's Haiti right that's correct yes Thank You chairperson Davis so this is a tentative parcel map the personal map is for a three lots of division on Creston Road so this is the general location just a little bit this is at the intersection of orchard Drive and question road just a little bit west of Rolling Hills Road I'm right across the street from Trinity Lutheran Church and the school there Louis middle school also nearby Centennial Park and the Williams Plaza off to the east the properties right along Preston Road are zoned r2 PD whereas the the properties to the north in the the Old Orchard track I think is the name of it are zoned r1 they have a larger lot single-family zoning so this is the tentative parcel map shown in orange now is the entirety of the lot today there are two existing residences here in blue is 927 Creston road there's additionally 955 question road so two residences on one lot the application today before you is to subdivide this thought into three parcels the lot lines are shown here so you've got personal one personal two and parcel three so parcels one and personal tour are mostly developed personal one has a bit more development potential just because of the location of where the the residence is located but parcel three would be a vacant lot and so it has the most development potential as I stated this lot is in the r2 PD zoning district M it does have as allows up to eight units to the acre but the PD designation would require a plan development for for any development so when the application for the tenant of map came in that dilemma is what do we do with this plan development overlay the the genitive the zoning ordinance does have a process laid out that describes a conceptual plan development that is submitted with the tentative map it just shows that the the subdivision does have the feasibility to be developed that we're not overlooking any important issues and then later when the further actual development occurs a specific plan development can be processed so this site is not quite one and a half acres the entirety of the site has about seven percent slope so the proposed loss parcel one which would be just under a quarter acre it has a about a three percent slope and has the potential if it was a vacant site two units could be developed on that site that does not include the accessory dwelling units that the state mandates parcel two is similar also a quarter of an acre site a three percent slope could also be developed with two units if it was a vacant site parcel three is the largest parcel it's not quite eight tenths of an acre it has a more steeply sloping slope it's about nine percent it would be able to be developed with about with five units so the we did request that the applicant prepare a conceptual development plan so now I've changed the orientation here North is actually straight up at this point that's different than the previous map you were looking at so orchard Drive on the right Preston Road so this is parcels one and two parcel one here on the left and parcel two so of course you've got the existing residences shown hatched there is some Adele excuse me development potential and parcel one the applicant is showing they're calling it a hypothetical residents kind of towards the front of the property and then they're also showing a a carport there would also be some new paving today this this lot does not have curb gutter and sidewalk and so with the high traffic area but no curb gutter inside book so that's one of the big advantages of seeing this this development come forward so the applicant would provide true paved driveway entrance and and some paving on the site to provide some formal parking areas on parcel tooth they're not showing any proposed development the existing residence is larger it's right in the middle of the lot so it makes it more challenging to to provide any new residences and new structures on the lot they would be paving out a more formal driveway I think there is some paving there today but this would be a bit more formal would have a true driveway approach off of off of Creston Road so upon parcel three there's an additionally a conceptual plan shown the applicant did include the fact that this another potential use of this site would be to do two duplexes and one single-family residence so this isn't as I said this is conceptual this is not set in stone this is meant to show the feasibility of development of parcel 3 so there's the rainbow array of where the actual property lines would be so the one I'd one idea one conceptual idea is that there would be to flag Lots we'd have a shared driveway going up to conceptual parcel E and D there are some conditions of approval in the agenda report in front of you today that would require all of the units for all the units that would be developed on parcel three that they would all be served by a single driveway there are some conflicts that exist here at the at the corner with question road being such a busy road so even though this is shown conceptually staff is recommending that driveways be consolidated there's also a conceptual grading plan that was provided some of the grading shown on this plan does comply with our with our creating ordinance and so there are conditions of approval that would require either retaining walls or some way to minimize the that cut and fill slopes that are being shown here so in the future if a development actually is proposed on any of the parcels the conditions of approval would require that any new residences on parcels one and two which are those Lots that front question road they would require DRC review that would be a typical site plan review which we do just typically for any development that has less than or multifamily development that has less than five units involved so persons wanted to just DRC review but when the future development of parcel three is proposed that would require a development plan that would be reviewed first by DRC of course but then by the full Planning Commission so there are some conditions that are proposed so these conditions the first lists here are related to things that would have to be done before recording of the final parcel map so this is just for the three lot parcel map someday in the future we anticipate a probably a track map on that upper lot and there would be new conditions and you know there'd be new review of that but for the three lot parcel map there are some little accessory structures that are over the property lines those will need to be removed as we saw there'll be some new paved driveways installed front landscaping is required in our in our residential zones and so that would be required before the map can be recorded some Road dedications on both question Road and Orchard Drive neither are the full width that are intended for those roads and the question road frontage improvements would be installed before the parcel map so we would get that curb gutter and sidewalk on Creston Fred in addition we would the conditions as I stated before for and that should actually read oh I apologize so this condition is currently parcel two which is that corner lot does take access from Creston Road the city engineer has added a condition that a deed restriction be recorded against the the property so that if that property's ever redeveloped all access would come from Orchard Drive we really want to minimize the number of driveways that we have off of question Road it's an arterial road traffic and so if that parcel was ever completely redeveloped access would only come from Orchard Drive under utilities need to be under grounded and then again the access to parcel three should only be from one driveway so looking at resolution be a plan development would be required I'm on parcel three as I stated before just site plan review and parcels one and two there is an error and the draft resolution condition number six should have been deleted it talks about there being two driveways being allowed to the parcel three development the city engineer has determined that only one driveway is appropriate there so condition six should just be deleted there's a condition that requires that buildings that face Orchard Drive need to have architecture that really faces or do drive so we don't get to the sides of houses the way that the conceptual plan is shown is you'd have a driveway going up to those rear Lots we don't want to see the side of a house facing orchard so the requirement is that when architecture comes in for new structures on parcel three that those be required to have typical architectural features for the front of a building facing orchard some conditions about the grading compliance there is a requirement a condition proposed that would require the bearment the minimum guest parking for parcel three so that would be one unit one parking space for every five units so that is included when we get a full-blown of conceptual full-blown plant abutment it does need to include some guest parking and then curb gutter and sidewalk would be would be provided all the way from question road to parcel three when the future development of that lot occurs so this product project is exempt from sequa as a class 15 exemption we're tonight we're really just approving the minor subdivision that three lot subdivision and so it's exempt from sequa there are some findings that the Planning Commission needs to make that the project is consistent with our general plan and our zoning ordinance that the project isn't detrimental to the general welfare and it's compatible with its surrounding land uses the subdivision needs to be physically suit the site needs to be physically suited to the type and density of development for the subdivision that the division isn't going to cause environmental and there aren't any conflicts with PUD with public easements so the Planning Commission has some options the first would be to approve the draft resolutions as drafted secondly we could you could approve the project with modifications you could continue the item and refer the project back to staff for additional analysis or you could deny the project if you make the appropriate findings staff is recommending that you approve the draft resolutions that you do delete condition number six which is part of a draft resolution B and I welcome your questions thank you Katie any questions for staff mr. Neil I know the city engineer is not here but what was the reasoning to limiting only the I'm not sure I understand the reasoning on orchard to limit limiting it to only one driveway so in looking at the project orchard you know my understanding is a lot of traffic comes down from the neighborhood above down Orchard Drive and turns on to Creston Road so in terms of having multiple driveways there it's problematic we also from what I understand have a lot of people who turn around because there's schools right across the street or down the street they do a turning movement there and then do a u-turn and go down the road so you know we could have four driveways there however just to limit the amount of conflicts it was just good engineering practice and to limit it to one driveway they could still get their 5 units off of off of that single driveway that was reasoning thank you yes mr. you all right Cutler so at its core my understanding is this is really a subdivision to create three parcels potentially to sell one or two or three of them off I presume maybe it's a part of this and that what we have seen and what we're talking about our conceptual plans for how it may develop in the future is that correct that is correct and in this action though however we are enabling certain future development to take place for example there's a finding on page 238 it says we find the site is physically suitable for the type and density of development so if this comes back and it's similar to what we've approved tonight type and density would be a match how does the density of this one compare to do you know that a property it's immunity of the West it's a similar form with you know kind of common accesses and driveways and things that appears to be pretty comparable I believe it is IB it has similar zoning which would allow for 8 units to the acre I know so so on page 234 the mmm I did go through and look at those Lots but I'm not sure that my analysis made it into the into the staff report they are similar in size I think they're slightly larger but they have there's a lot of access easements that so the gross acreage is fairly similar but the net acreage is probably a little bit smaller than what would be expected up on because the parcel 3 it's a bit steeper so as the as property gets steeper the number of units per acre is decreased so once you break I believe it's 5% slope then you only get six and a half units to the acre so that upper parcel 3 only gets six and a half units to the acre whereas the lower the lower sloped properties get 8 units to the acre all right any other questions or any staff for that matter no seeing none then I will now open it up to public hearing welcome please state your name for the record Nick Gilman 800 Cherry Street representing the Baha'i family who are who are present by the way there's no disagreement at all with a single access to parcel 3 off of Richard Drive frankly I was not thrilled the intent here was to do a parcel map that would allow the sale of the house that's currently on a parcel - in order to finance frankly the development of five single family homes on parcel three that the intent all along has been to have single-family homes small of course and similar I'm glad at least Commissioner kobler's looked at it because I've been looking at it as well they develop that immediately to the west which was a plan development and provided slightly smaller site and that site and there's some questions you know I was I'll speak to later about the results of that I did by the way talked to the developer of that parcel it was kind of interesting his very entertaining guy he was very disappointed he says he would never do it again the site to the west developed with almost no outside recreational space or a garden space over and he found that the only buyers who were old bachelors that doesn't really doesn't really compute to family housing although one of the last times I was there I heard a baby crying inside one of the units I was actually thrilled something's happening here I appreciate this finally getting getting to this point we submitted and this is two twittering we submitted back in August it's been a while waiting to get to this point and I something needs to be looked at the only deal-breaker serious deal-breaker I've got is site specific condition number 11 on page 241 the when we rebuild the curb gutter and sidewalk on Crescent Road the sidewalk will only be 30 feet from the garage I cannot provide 10 foot of landscaping and back up space for garage and 20 feet what number was it number 11 hey it's 241 number 11 thank you that has to be changed to at least reduce to 6 feet at best actually I'd prefer the city parking ordinance recommends 27 feet for a backup intersections and backup maneuvering I believe I can get back that by over 24 but even that's tight the other I would like to ask for discussion a little bit on site specific number 19 on the same page and it's repeated other places no disagreement in general that we underground utilities when there's a conditional application being made there is some from the southwest corner there's some overhead AT&T lines and telephone lines easily under grouted certainly that's the intent the overhead lines I mean from the far side of orchard ara PG&E lines through the existing house on parcel 2 and those of you that are in construction and have adult with PG&E recently may have some sympathy I would really like to see a notice put on the parcel map that the utilities will be under grounded but at the time we develop parcel 3 under grounding the power undoubtedly is going to come from the east side of orchard from the existing utilities on that side we're gonna have to underground orchard hopefully abort it instead of cut it and provide a composite utility plan for all of the units on parcel 3 and it's going to be much simpler in dealing with PG&E and getting the project done to combine that with undergrounding simultaneously there's the existing service to parcel two I've talked to city engineer and David's very accurately saying well what if our future buyer of parcel 2 says no to hell I can't answer that I agree so I mean that is a problem but if you would understand our side of it we could certainly do the underground much simpler with a combined project for for the development of parcel 3 I hope I'm not confusing people the only other item that I've got is going back to item 14 yeah item 14 on the same page 240 more I know I'm gonna lose on this but I'm going to comment anyway I knew when I submitted it that the city would ask for space asked for dedication it's sort of a neater knee jerk reaction okay I mean I'm not surprised and it's not a deal killer but I'd like to point out I think mr. Kobler might come in too having looked at the adjacent development I'm jealous of all the space that's available on a small site trying to provide formal affordable family housing on small sites the five feet I'm jealous of not not from an economic point of view but so that I can provide more space for the individual homes and I frankly disagree with the city engineer he very kindly gave me the time to discuss it I don't see that much traffic on Orchard Lane I've been up there credit or to drive excuse me I've been up there quite a few times very rarely see even one car well I'm you know looking at the site looking at the problems there is a city standard for rural residential that indicates 22 feet of paved Drive with a five-foot sidewalk which I can easily do the existing Orchard Drive is in a 40 foot right away it's 20 feet curve to curve there asphalt curves of course and I've got 10 feet available west to the property line so that I believe that within the existing right-of-way we could provide are more than adequate access both vehicular Li and possibly pedestrian there's some neighbors here that they want to speak to even the sidewalk issue but I've been assuming knowing the city that you would ask for a sidewalk and of course if you agree with me I think both Warren and David have a heart attack so be careful other than that I have no problems and I hope we can move ahead okay thanks any questions for Nick while he's there yes Nick on the subject of the underground is there any reason you couldn't run sufficient conduit to the lot three while you you do the frontage well you do the requirement I mean it you know may not be right to the air you want to go whatever but it can't be run for for future use okay you know I'm not sure what you asked me John but I would certainly provide the con doing on parcel tube from parcel three to provide for we could certainly do that so you're saying the power is coming from that from parcel C's three sides yeah the existing powerful and you know whether I'm assuming PG&E will use the existing risers it's immediately on the on the east side of parcel three on Orchard on that that would be the source of the power for the the five new homes very likely there's going to be a new somewhere we may have to provide it a new transformer somewhere but where I don't know let's see I I understand it's dealing with PG&E any times is gives you heartburn but it'd be tough for me anyways I won't speak for everybody here to make a decision on something like that I trust this any engineers judgment yeah I'm not gonna make a big fuss about that but I okay I'm just sure convenient if we could okay yes I'm sure an observation and then a question in looking at this and looking at in the field it appears that the property of the West probably had the advantage of being a blank slate it doesn't look like it maybe had the retrofit that you have here with a couple of existing houses and how you deal with all the lot attributes the question I have is on parcel to what's the need for having so much hard cover you've got paved access calling all the way around that side of the house to the back fence area as shown right now that yellow area why not just serve the garage with a driveway and avoid all the hard cover that's a longer to drive that's an existing condition we could do I don't think there would be any objection to deleting that if you chose I don't you know we got to provide another surface of some kind the I don't know what I don't I knew the family that lived there but I was never a visitor I don't know what they had in mind by paving paving that over on the on the east side obviously they need it they felt they needed some access to the rear I never saw them storing vehicles back there court motorhomes or anything so I'm not sure I don't I don't have an answer for you I was tell me you were addressing the you know the problem with the landscape along that side and it seems like that would be mitigated by taking out some of that pavement you know the landscaping is to the south between the driveway that she's shown in yellow in the sidewalk my point was that I can't do that ten feet wide so a muddy in Creston right right in there right where that is okay that's the only area of us being here and I think the challenge is were as you mentioned we're dealing with existing homes and garage doors that already exist the requirement for the ten feet is when you have a driveway parallel that turns and goes parallel with the sidewalk and to get some landscaping there in this case I think we need to take in consideration what mr. Gilman is indicating to allow proper back out area so reducing that from 10 and if six works just trying to get something in there so that we don't have sidewalk right up against driveway but it is important to make sure we have enough back out area there okay anyone else all right Thank You Nick thank you and I'd like to invite anyone else up to the podium to comment on this item good evening Larry Werner 741 Orchard Drive I live about four houses above this project and have had numerous conversations with my neighbors and we are generally in favor of this project and will really appreciate the improvements on the frontage on Creston Road because the two projects that are to the west they're the two eight unit projects they don't have a cinema there's no sidewalk for them to get from there over to the pedestrian crossing at the corner of Orchard Road get to Daniel Lewis school and so it's very dangerous in fact if you could show the with the tentative map I've got some exhibits but I don't think I need to really show them right there on the left of parcel 2 is a palm tree right there but what's not shown on this tentative map is the fact that there is a storm drain that drops off in there and you can hardly see it and there's there was some kind of structure there that kind of guided you if you were cyclist and I have ridden my bike by here hundreds of times and it just drops off it's extremely dangerous so having that curve gutter and sidewalk on there to allow kids and everybody to be able to walk along theirs is great and we really appreciate that that's gonna be really good the the biggest issue that we have on Orchard Drive is traffic and parking you know I've lived there over 30 years and I've noticed an incredible increase in the amount of traffic particularly since they paved walnut drive because people come down now walnut because it used to be really rough to go down low on that they come down walnut and they come down orchard drive to go to school and I can hear them every morning so there is a lot of traffic and then especially in the afternoons the cars come pick up their kids that come up orchard Drive they turn around on Orchard and they go back out on Crescent Road when I walk down there to look at the project in the time that I walked down there two cars actually did that and what what happens is also on Orchard Drive just a little bit to the right there on the other side of the street there's a number of people that park cars on the road Orchard Drive is 20 feet wide with berms on each side or limitations 20 feet is that's ten to ten foot travel lanes so it's very tight so when people are parking along Orchard Drive which i think is a code violation personally it's you have to wait if somebody else is coming the other direction you have to stop we went up there the other day and there was three cars parked on the east side of Orchard Drive and a truck parked on the west side of workers Drive and we couldn't get through in my car we had to go to that house and ask them to move the truck so that we get through the street so that was the biggest issue that we had as a neighborhood is the parking on Orchard Drive so if this project if they have to give five feet to be able to provide parking or some way to get people to park there and have the on-site parking I strongly encourage that for visitor parking the two projects to the west they all have lots of visitor parking and when I was walking through there the one immediately to the west had six visitor parking places and four of them had people parking in them so it's it's important also like the idea of the one driveway because of the congestion that goes on right there at that part of the intersection I think that that we totally would agree with that the as far as parcel two goes I think you brought up the the hardcover issue that they park cars they're on the side all the time and not it not you know that it's really annoying or anything but that's what they do they don't use the garage you could see there's weeds growing up in front of the garage door so having a driveway to the garage is not used to almost year of actually using the garage so that's kind of the actual condition there on partial to a parcel one the idea of having another two-story unit on there no problem I think that actually might be kind of nice and as far as parcel two would like to thank the the people who bought it because they fixed it up nicely and painted it and it looks a lot better so we all appreciate that so just want to say that I think it's a it's a good idea on parcel three to have the five homes with a single driveway that's the kind of stuff that we need that's the kind of house and we need right now and people who can live there and I think if it is oriented towards families like mr. Gilman has said it's a perfect place because you're you can walk to the school you can walk to Centennial Park so I don't think anybody in our neighborhood that I talked to was opposed to having those it was just about having the four driveways so we're happy with that with the one driveway we encouraged them to move forward on this project and thank you very much Thank You Larry any questions for him before he leaves all right and I'd like to invite anyone else up to comment on this item all right then seeing none I will close the public hearing public comment and bring a brac to Commission for discussion do we have any questions that need to be answered from the public I don't think so we do so comments I think there was a comment on from the applicants representative on item 14 in the offer to dedicate five feet from from mr. Allen since he's here okay hi David athlete's City engineering here yeah that's one of the hardest things to really do to an applicant right I asked for an offer of dedication because you're asking for land from them to build a public facility so we looked at this look at this site and it's a 40-foot right away it's an antiquated from an antiquated subdivision that was done you know many many years ago that was the standard back then when we drove model a type cars and you know over type cars you know in today's our modern standards call us actually for a 60-foot ride away so when we look at this I've looked at the nearby areas how they developed there is a there is a road just to the west of this parcel same type of you know development went on and the City Engineer at that time aspera I think I believe a five foot off our dedication from each side of that road when it developed so that's what I do I asked for app each applicant to give half so in this case parcels 1 2 & 3 would provide 2 + 3 would provide a 5-foot offer of dedication when the lot across the street comes in for redevelopment when it does or if it ever does last for a 5-4 offer of dedication for them to get the minimum road with we're looking for which would be two travel lanes two parking lanes and sidewalks on both sides since parcel 3 is becoming more dense we're looking at that 5 feet to serve as that sidewalk down to Creston Road to aid in pedestrian circulation so that's why that's why we I asked for the 5 foot offer a dedication on this side ok thank you and then you there was also another question right I think regarding undergrounding of PG&E with that chairman Davis with Evy yes that would be great ok for parcel 3 I think yeah for parcel 2 so as you can see the service drop from this pole right here and it heads across they actually cry it's just pretty rare but it crosses Orchard Drive and there's a I think there's a meter box right here I really understand the challenges with PG&E a lot of applicants throughout the city whether it's a just simple building permit or something like this are having challenges getting service from them basically the design and then the installation I understand that the challenge is once parcel 2 is sold there's no guarantee that I can get I can't compel a parcel to to let the applicant have access to their property to install any to install a new service for their house which is why we asked for it with the frontage improvements okay yes it possible to request any kind of deed restriction or anything on parcel to is a part of the subdivision that would ensure that right to do that in the future without doing it now you know I talked about that with mr. Gillman and I'm just not convinced that even with a deed notification or a deed restriction that you could spell that we could compel the parcel to to let them have access to you know provide a new service now if I own personal - I'd be like yeah come on in you know provide a new service but I you know I just don't think there's a way to do that legally I could be wrong but that's that's you know in my my experience how it's been okay alright thank you thank you I did but I don't mean up for you I didn't hear you good challenge Larry a little bit on projects like this where we're going to provide parking interior parking on the street I agree would would it would be difficult as it as it is now but but I believe that as a certain business I'm sure you need it as a study session with the city engineer you really want to look at possibly shrinking right-of-ways because they are if you if you look at them there's a lot of extraneous improvements put part of it is when we did the uptown downtown plan some years ago we had a very good expert from talking about paving in general on the history of having so much asphalt in an in a city and it really is absurd when they think about it keeping keeping the right-of-way as relatively narrow and keeping the improvements so that we aren't using so much land for that black stuff is not a bad thing I mean it's just just a general comment thank you okay thank you Nick we have again closed the public hearing all right any other comments or questions from staff I do have a question for Darren so on this with his driveway backs up what we see the challenge what's the solution well I think with the development plan before the Planning Commission the Planning Commission has the ability to modify a development standard so this is in the intent of this is when you if this was a blank property and you were to you had the ability to move the house around and provide the necessary 25 feet of river backup for from a garage door this is just trying to get a little green in between the hardscape of a driveway and the hardscape of a sidewalk and ten feet is just a number that the zoning code has of providing for that separation in this case the garage is there the property line is there we need the improvements but it it makes sense to make sure we have the proper back out or it's just going to add another reason why they don't use the garage so being able to decrease that from 10 I think Nick indicated six feet would allow appropriate back out area so that seems reasonable in this case and the Planning Commission has the ability to allow that okay so six foot so that would be looking at condition number 11 we could just modify it to say at least six and with as opposed to the tendeth shows on that am i seeing some consensus along those lines okay any other ideas the single driveway is that something we want to talk about a single driveway to part of the pool okay alright I will entertain a motion if someone okay madam chair I move to approve draft resolution a approving tentative map tentative parcel map 19 - double O 4 subject to conditions of approval with the correction on number 11 where the landscape barrier reduced to 6 feet in width between the sidewalk and the driveway okay staff would recommended we eliminate numbers oh yeah that's actually in resolution be in resolution a I think that would be in the second motion okay so back to our motion Commissioner Donaldson could you restate that please okay motion was to approve the draft resolution a proven tentative parcel map 19 - double O 6 for subject to the conditions of approval with the change in command where 11 who reduce it to 6 foot in between the sidewalk on the driveway ok thank you and do I have a second Phanatic okay I have a motion by Commissioner Donaldson second by Commissioner Jorgensen and discussion seeing none I'll call for the vote Commissioner Donaldson hi Minister jorgeson hi I'm sure Neil I assure Kobler I am sure Castillo hi Jefferson Davis aye motion passes six zero madam chair a move to approve draft resolutions be approving conceptual plan development 1911 subject to conditions of approval with the omission of number six was okay I have a motion from Commissioner Johnson and a second from Commissioner Jorgenson discussion call for the vote where's your Dalton High Commissioner jorgeson High Commissioner Neal aye I'm sure Kobler aye commissioner Castillo aye chairperson Davis I use it for that item correct that concludes that item okay thank you and good luck all right and moving on to agenda item four plan development PD 18-0 five conditional use permits EOP 18-0 eight and I'll have a staff report please Thank You chip rescind Davis so yes this is a conditional use permit for John Boyce towing a towing service that already operates in our community they have an existing site on Ramada Drive but this would be a new location for them located at 2908 Ardmore Road so this is an idea of the general location so this is near the intersection of golden Hill Road and Union Road Ardmore Road currently runs partially rented it to the east does not it's currently a dead-end street it would it there are rights of way in place and there was intention to extend Ardmore Road believe some of the extension has already occurred that goes to Daniel's woodland and spur construction but eventually would be extended up to Union Road and then I think even to the east when airport road comes through and was part of the North Chandler ranch a specific plan when that comes someday so Ardmore Road will be a collector Street in the in nature so along that extension of Ardmore Road that goes to the north the city has purchased a piece of property this is where the new emergency services facility will be located in the not-too-distant future we also have a proposal Planning Commission is likely to see for our future development along Union Road so this area is changing this is an area that has historically been large lot single-family properties but it is zoned for commercial industrial projects and we are seeing some changes out on Ardmore Road so the site is the land use designation from the general plan is commercial services and has the zoning of c3 PD of commercial light industry with a plan development overlay the site is not quite two acres 1.76 acres the slope is approximately 3% so this is a pretty flat site there is one native oak tree on the site but the applicant does intend to retain that tree so looking at a zoom in on the location this is this the second property in from Golden Hill Road there is there actually are I think three residences on the site and there are some other residences nearby have put stars on locations of existing residences actually on Gilead Road there is a vacant lot but we do have a building permit under consideration right now so that will also have a single-family residence so industrially zoned land but developed with single-family residences so we need to make sure that the site planning is sensitive to those uses so that John Boyce towing describes their their business is operating 24 hours a day seven days a week however the site would primarily be used to store towed vehicles they want it you know there's not constant in and out on the site throughout the evening throughout the night but there are there would be some overnight deliveries of vehicles there would be two tow truck operators operating out of this site John Boyce does have seven other locations within the county I believe there's one in the five cities somewhere in one in San Luis Obispo so this would sort of be the North County location so two two tow truck operators and an on-call manager operating down below you see the view from Ardmore there's an existing the existing residences there on the left-hand side that would be used as a caretaker for the business and there's a proposed metal building that we'll discuss here on the night no not yet but soon so the site plan Ardmore Road at the top there north to the to the top of the screen so this is the existing residence would be retained as a as a caretaker the proposed metal building there in red now this is the the proposed tow yard I believe it has a let me get my 30 yeah just under 30,000 square feet of outdoor storage at about twenty-seven thousand square feet would be included that would be on a decomposed granite surface a dgb surface the site plan shows 28 parking spaces the storage yard would be enclosed by an 8 foot tall wall fence combo I'll show you an image of that in an upcoming screen but so a large storage yard there is one existing oak tree it's now circled in green the applicant is providing a landscape Island for it and intends to remain to retain the tree there are three driveway approaches proposed currently there is not a curb gutter inside walk along the Ardmore road frontage those will be installed as a part of the project and the applicant is requesting three driveway approaches the one in the middle would have a customer parking area I think it's got four parking spaces therefore when customers come to reclaim vehicles when they've been towed so the proposed metal building it's a pretty simple metal building I'm standing seam metal there is the applicant has provided a frontage that faces Ardmore Road so it does have a pedestrian scale entrance which is a recommendation of the industrial design guidelines for metal buildings this is an image from the sides you can see that the porch porch projection out towards Ardmore Road there so it comes out a few feet and provides some some variation to that front elevation when this project went to the design receives me the development Review Committee on the applicant it indicated that they would be using a tan color with some white trim their plans have since solidified and they have provided us with a color scheme they're showing that the walls would be a gray color with a white roof and proposing some blue trim this has not been the color scheme has not been reviewed by the development review committee staff would recommend that a more earth-tone palette be used the grace it would be reasonable but the blue might be not quite what we have in mind with our industrial design guidelines so I think it's a point of discussion that the Planning Commission would want to make this evening so as far as screening this is the proposed decorative screening so as we learned earlier outdoor storage it uses do have a decorative fence requirement when they are near some of our busier streets so the applicant is proposing three feet of masonry wall at the bottom of most of the screening wall and then a five foot section of of steel aluminum but the the metal fencing at the top so the idea what this fencing is to provide fencing for security and for screening but not for it not to look like a fortress - the idea is to have this fence with some transparency but then to have landscaping in front of it so we get an attractive view from from both Golden Hill and from Ardmore roads so the applicant this is moving looking at the site plan the staff is so the building itself the metal building will screen some of the storage yard this orange area is now showing where the decorative fence would be proposed it does go along the front of the property where there are some gates that would be open at times but when those are closed you'll have decorative fencing around this whole area the DRC did recommend that the decorative fencing be extended southern the southwest property corner so you see an area where it extends this is to improve the view from Golden Hill Road the site there is a commercially zoned property just to the south that this property currently has a single-family residence on it and so there aren't very many structures you can see this site fairly well from Golden Hill so the the wrapping of the the more decorative fence is shown here to to screen from that view the the remainder of the fencing this blue area would be a chain-link fence so wouldn't provide as much screening but there would be landscaping in front of it to continue no continuously there's there are also some eucalyptus trees along the South East property line that would would go some way towards screening the use the purple areas there are shown that those are the the gates that that that are that are proposed so these green areas are some of the landscaping proposed there's a condition of approval that requires continuous shrubs that would reach at least a six foot height along continuously along the only the edge of the of the storage yard so the applicant is shown those those bushes being being shown there so those are all kind of highlighted in green they additionally there would be some new landscaping areas along Ardmore Road to provide some additional screening and just attractive view from Ardmore it's a big concern as I sort of alluded to before was noise superimposed the site plan thereon on the property the we just happened to have our noise consultant in town last weekend human over this project with me so we looked at the distances from from this of the storage yard from all the existing residences so to the east there's a residence that's about a hundred and fifty feet away to the south there are some residences that are about 400 feet away to the southwest the property there the house there is about 275 feet away the house immediately to the west is is relatively close it's about the structure that the little red arrow is currently sitting on top of it appears to be a garage on its eastern side but there might be a residence some sort of a studio or GuestHouse or even a second unit we're not entirely sure but some sort of residential struck habitable structure is what it appears to be on that westside so it might be as close as 50 feet to the storage yard so during the day the noise that were Consultant help me determine that the expected noises from a large truck would not exceed our daytime our daytime limitations however at night it's possible that noises from the large trucks coming in and out might exceed those at those limits and so there's some conditions of approval that require trucks entering and exiting the site at night to use that central driveway and to park cars as far away as possible from this house that is so close so we would use distance to to prevent too much noise from reaching that house there on the to the west of the property so in order to approve this project that the Planning Commission does have to make some findings that the project is consistent with the general plan our zoning ordinance and the industrial design guidelines that the project isn't that Germano to the general welfare it's that and essentially that the project is compatible with this neighborhood we have a owning that would allow this type of use but we do have a lot of residences in the the proximity so we want to make sure that this project is compatible with those those existing uses the project is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act as a class 32 exemption this property is just getting to the edge of where we would consider info further to the east the North Chandler ranch property that wouldn't be considered infill cause it's not highly developed but the general plan does acknowledge that this area is has experienced a development in the past and so it is eligible for the infill exemption as I mentioned there are some conditions of approval that are recommended especially around noise the conditions would not allow customers to enter the site after 5:00 p.m. customers to come to the site to retrieve their vehicles after 5:00 p.m. it would require that the so the only activities that would occur after hours would be just dropping off all activities on the site would be subject to the noise ordinance so if we find that after operations began it the operation is too noisy we would have to find new mitigation measures to continue to dampen the noise and find a way to make the the project compatible with nearby uses as I stated that after seven o'clock there would be no use of the Western driveway that is so close to that residence to the west and and incoming vehicles would need to be parked on the eastern parking spaces trucks would not be able to idle the tow trucks after 7:00 p.m. as far as screening goes there are conditions that require that if there's anything else ever stored in that storage yard that they not be any taller than eight feet the idea being that you that would be screened by the fence vehicles obviously are often taller than eight feet so the condition reads that there would be an exception for those vehicles for any storage BM occurs on the site they the decomposed granite surface and the screening need to be entirely installed before they can start storing vehicles here the shrubs need to be continuous six-foot at least six feet tall taller is a good thing but you know in combination with the fence at least a six-foot shrub Street trees need to be installed they need to retain the eucalyptus trees at the rear property line and the zoning ordinance requires that fence does not exceed eight feet in height there's some additional conditions of approval and the resolution before you one would be that the property's not used to dismantle vehicles we don't want to see a an auto picking yard at this at this site this would just be for storing the arborist report will need to be updated to make sure that we've provided enough space for that oak tree that it has a viable chance at surviving there's a condition that all exterior lights be shielded and that staff do a nighttime inspection before we allow them to start to operate to make sure that those lights are sufficiently shielded as I stated there's a condition currently that reads that the colors for the building be earth tone colors there is the applicant is now showing us that they intend to use some color the blue color and particular particular that's not earth tones so the Planning Commission only needs to alter that condition of approval or leave it as is and we need to discuss colors any changes to the metal building that face the right of way on ardmore would need to go for DRC approval and there's a condition that no barbed wire be used on the project oh my goodness there's a lot of conditions so the city engineer has some some conditions that are more Road B the pavement of Ardmore Road be widened to 40 feet that there be an offer to dedicate land to it to get the right-of-way to the the minimum size required for for a street of this size there is a typo in condition number 26 it looks like we didn't delete some language that should have should have been deleted so we would want to strike the applicant shall dedicate a and that condition but electrical electrical utility lines do need to be under grounded a streetlight needs to be provided this project or this site is actually currently on a well and a septic system so that they are going to need to bring sewer out to the to the site down Ardmore Road and abandon that well and septic tank so those are all conditions that are in the draft resolutions for you you have options as as always the first would be to approve the resolution as drafted that would approve the plan development and the conditional use permit for this use you could certainly recommend approval of the project with modification staff is recommending that modification to the engineering standard or engineering condition excuse me you could continue and refer the project back to staff or you could deny the project by finding or making findings of denial staff recommends that you do approve the draft resolution I'm striking the words the applicant shall dedicate a from condition number 26 and then provide some guidance to staff on what to do with the color of the building and with that I am open to your questions Thank You Katie any questions for Katie yes commissioner and I don't know if it's listed on this landscaping lighting plan maybe the Berber just is too small to read but as far as lighting goes for the parking lot itself is there any kind of condition on what type of lighting goes in those parking lot - we do we put any kind of condition on parking lots as far as what style lights they can use since it's gonna be kind of an all-night thing it's not very large but there is in the bottom right-hand corner showing the intended light poles they so there are some sites along the defense I'm going to use the pointer up on the screen to the east of the room so these there's a light proposed here at this this spot and then there's one here at this spot and then down here you see that what the standard would be so 14 foot tall light and so the reason for the nighttime inspection is maybe we need to put shields on this light to make sure the light stays in the yard and doesn't bail out to the neighbors certainly we could add additional conditions but the reason is because I know we've recently changed no recently but we went over to LED lights and a lot of the neighborhoods and I know in the parking lot nearby there the Jehovah Witness Hall is an orange light so is that what the intent is to be for that parking lot or is it gonna be more of an LED light I think you know when I've gone shopping for lights recently it seems like everything's LED so I would imagine that it's and they're so energy-efficient that I think that's typically what we see the applicant is working with our police department so that they can be a service provider to our Police Department and we do require a certain amount of lighting for security but the lighting doesn't have to leave the actual storage yard and so I think it might be something we need we might need to finesse to make sure that conditions are just right but I think the idea is that the yard itself be well lit and then the neighbors not be right Katty on lighting though could you point out again is it just the two on the so there are there are some additional lights on the metal building the applicant is here this evening and can can correct me if I'm making mistakes but there are some lights on the exterior of the metal building and then I believe the only other lights in the yard are along this for your fence but I would definitely welcome the applicant to correct me if that's not okay thank you very much any other questions yes Commissioner cochlear KT so you recognize that the site plan shows 28 spaces is the intent to limit the storage to 28 vehicles I don't think that that is the intent when the applicant brought in the site plan that in sort of some of the first iterations it was actually a much smaller yard and a concerned staff because we could envision the storage yard getting full and then other vehicles starting to get stored you know elsewhere on the property so we did encourage them to increase the size of the yard so that all the storage on the property would be within that fence I think the intention is not to limit to 28 vehicles I think that the parking spaces along the rear property line are actually pretty well oversized I think they do sometimes tow RVs and some other larger vehicles so it allows room for those but I could imagine if they had lots of little cars maybe you know not observing those those lines so the conditions of approval do not limit they the storage to 28 vehicles at this point there is a condition though that kind of speaks to organization that's required because of the access and I pulled up the area of the existing facility they haven't looks like there's a lot of bumper to bumper cars just stacked in there which would seemingly preclude the access on the east side is certain hours at night and unless it's organized so it is gonna require some internal organization by the applicant the other question I have is there in number 11 which you highlighted in your presentation on page 280 you talked about items stored materials taller than 8 feet to be prohibited and that's not speaking to vehicles are we opening the door to other kinds of things being stored here when the purpose is to be a storage yard for vehicles certainly was not my intention I think just there it seems like when you have a storage yard and there's a fence sometimes other things get stored I think if we want to alter the condition that nothing else but vehicles be stored here then we should do that the intent was just you know operations that idea was to screen whatever's in there but but I the point taken okay maybe the applicant can address it and then maybe applicant could also address how long do vehicles get stored on this site or these being towed here because they were in accidents they were abandoned you know what's the duration of the stay on site if you would because it seems like you could fill up 28 or 30 or 35 spaces pretty quickly potentially so maybe a little bit of insight on how the business operates would be helpful we'll get your comments when we open the public comment so anything tight I think your but see if we have any other staff questions okay are we ready to open up for public hearing then okay at this time please come forward welcome thank you my name is John Poulter co-owner of John Boyce towing the reason why you see our other location stacked is because that yard is very small vehicles normally stay about a maximum of 45 days because you have a lean process that you have to go through the DMV in order to get the proper paperwork to dispose the vehicle we're not interested in doing any kind of dismantling we're not a wrecking yard we're just a tow yard and we have to go through certain processes to get rid of vehicles we do tow four pass rolls PD we Topher the Sheriff's Department we talk for CHP in this North County area we have a very high problem with homelessness and motor homes and trying to keep motor homes in the current location where we're at is extremely difficult we've been actually moving them because we've taken so many of them we actually move them to our san luis obispo location and store them there sometimes if we don't have room in the yard where we're currently at we also stack them in a manner as cars come in we rotate and move stuff you know if it's crash and it doesn't move then it's obviously going to be set aside where it's easy access for a transport for an insurance company or for the salvage yard to take it we're not we don't want the motorhomes nobody does but the problem is is they're here and we need to deal with them we're the only company in this town that can handle the larger commercial vehicles so other companies are you know declining them from the police department and we're having to take them we have a little bit of a discrepancy on the fencing because what you guys are asking for yes it looks pretty but it also does not shield and some of these vehicles are not in that good of shape a lot of the motorhomes are not in that good of shape I understand the six-foot bushes or trees that you're asking for but if you have motorhomes which we're gonna try and keep everything to the far east side of the lock as far as bigger stuff because it's more shielded back in that bottom corner and you know come in that way in the evening hours we don't we don't we're not a busy after-hours I mean we might do in a weekend we might be two or three after-hours for law enforcement that would come into the yard we're not totally busy except for fair times it's probably when we get busy but other than that we're pretty low-key any other questions for the applicant yes yeah I think you alluded to it so you guys do have the large semi truck we do have jobs yes we do and you'll be using them at this location we would have one at that location it would not it would not be leaving at all hours of the night I mean normally when we go out with the big truck you're going four hours and then come back shut it down Park we're not gonna be doing idling I mean fuel was four dollars fifty cents a gallon those trucks don't get good fuel economy I don't want like my guys idling my trucks anyway so I mean we are very if you go to any of our other locations so we try and fit in nobody wants to be next door to the tow I mean let's face it it's we don't have a good image to the public but when we started our company that was our goal was to change the image of the general public of what they view our industry as and we go above me on to try and shield whatever you know wrecked cars or carnage that you see so that it's not bad being our neighbor I mean I live next to my yard in Oceana and we have wisteria all up on the fence because it's a very aggressive and fast-growing plant it's drought resistant and it's a beautiful plant you know we try and do what we can to to be a good neighbor so in short I'm here you're saying you're comfortable with all these conditions of approval as far as the timing and the hours of operation and so forth yes I don't really see any major issues I mean the only one that that really concerns me is the fencing that they're requesting just because one to toe for law enforcement you you're supposed to have Bob wire and maybe the police department will kind of oversee that because we're supposed to have Bob wire we're supposed to have some kind of lighting in the yard and cameras so we're gonna have cameras up the two lights in the back are gonna be led I'm big on trying to save whatever money I can't be more efficient and try and shield it I mean that where that property line or where that yard line is isn't all the way down so I mean it's it should be fairly easy to shield that light so you're not happy with that type of fencing I mean short of barbed wire what are you what is your idea well I mean if that's what we have to go with that's what we have to go with it's just to me it's not very it doesn't she'll any of what we're gonna be storing if you're trying to paint a good image I'm being honest if you open up my gates in any of my yards it's not pretty and I mean you guys talked about a chain-link fence on the first item with the black framing and and the wood looking slats to me if I could get that any foot that's what I would put that's that looks good and it shields everything it's not on a major roadway I mean if you guys want the wrought iron up front that's fine there's not a lot of traffic on Ardmore it seems like a long link I lick over on the Golden Hill side do you think the chain-link would be more vulnerable okay I was just curious in your opinion I mean if it tenses are for honest people if they want in it doesn't matter what you put up they're gonna find a way in so mr. Coulter is it you said that law enforcement likes the the the barbed wire is that for keeping people from climbing over or what it's to try and prevent people from climbing over but like John said I mean if somebody wants in snipping a gate why are they gonna risk going over Bob wire they could just cut the cut the wire I mean and the wrought-iron you could just put a bottle jack in there and Jack it open and walk right in I mean if you want in you're going to get in so it doesn't matter what kind of fencing it is but my concern is you know along the Golden Hill side you're not going to have a lot of shielding and if you guys are trying to beautify it and make it look presentable I think the black chain link with the slacks would look a lot better along that golden Hill and the south side is the the current fence design has three feet or 4 feet a block and then the wrought iron above it Israel is the point of the block to keep somebody from breaking in and taking their car or was that City recommendation recommendation okay so recently so when so people breaking in is it to try and get their car out of there or to just steal parts or what what's your experience honestly the a few problems that we've had was people wanting to get their car out and not wanting to pay for it that's why I'm wondering if a partial masonry has is shown and then maybe something else on top if that's beneficial to you for security not so much so okay I mean if they want in you have the gates yes Commissioner Kobler have you had a you've got a caretaker adjacent to this one is that the case in your Ramada Drive location now - or is that just a yard that sits there Ramada Drive is just a yard with an office that's all it is right now okay so that may hope at least a little bit to have eyes on the facility did I understand you to say that you have problems at your current location with recreational vehicles being occupied at various times I hear that goodbye okay I thought they were being used as a transient lodging or something absolutely not okay so nobody is penetrating fencing right now for that kind of a purpose No okay okay thank you because I had a similar question yeah any other questions or comments thank you then thank you very much and any other comments from the audience seeing none then I will close the public hearing and bring it back to commission for discussion I'm sure yes I am not sure I have any answers of suggestions without thinking more but I am a little sensitive to well a couple things I appreciate your honesty because truthfully this isn't the kind of thing anybody wants to look at or live next to but it's necessary to have these facilities and I am a little sensitive to the screening issue and the fact that at least the one frontage if you will it's somewhat of a frontage on Golden Hill is not more permeable not more opaque I guess this is the property you know - Peugeot thank you you know whether it's a change in the material that's mounted above the wall or whether it's a change in the fencing I think that's something we may want to consider and I guess I'm curious from the staff perspective what was behind the recommendation for was a three-foot masonry wall with the fencing piece on top so of course nobody like we've established you know living next to a toy yard may not be ideal but I think also living next to a fortress may not be ideal so the idea is to find some balance between the two to provide the security needed to provide you know a three feet of block would likely block headlights that are you know that are driving through the lot but also to be attractive and then the vegetation would it would you know add that screening so you know there's lots of ways to get to the screening but the idea of staff's recommendation was based on it being attractive not being a you know because it's eight feet tall that's a very tall fence next to a residence and so you know maybe we've we've aired too far to the to the decorative side but the idea is to find a balance between security screening and a attractiveness thank you Caty the landscape plan correct me if I'm wrong I mean is it is this the level of detail that we're seeing right now it is a time a building permit well you know we would analyze down they provided some tree species and some ideas of the types of plants but this you know with the the way the fence is going to be it's we're not asking for as large of a setback as the airport Road site except up front where there would be some landscaping but those areas along Ardmore aren't necessarily that you know what's going to screen that's more of a you know an attractive buffer along the street so this would just be continuous it wouldn't be a very deep landscape so the idea would be the staff would would approve species selection and but it would just it would serve that function of screening I definitely think the landscape part of it will help with the aesthetics but I think it's the material that fencing is where work where we're at right now so many charile okay no more questions I'll make a motion if I could ask Katie to bring up the recommendations with changes thank you go from there yeah the last slide I think it was so I'd like to move approval of resolution a approving PD 1805 and CU p 1808 with the following amendments in addition twenty-six strike the words the applicant shall dedicate a and I would like to leave the requirement for earthtones not make that change and not make that should not make the change I leave the requirement to earth to earth time okay okay I have a second from Commissioner Donaldson and discussion on that seeing none Commissioner Neal I I'm sure Donald sigh mr. Castillo high surge Orson sure Kobler hi chairperson Davis aye motion passes six zero all right okay that brings us to discussion items consent calendar development review committee minutes and planning commission minutes we'd like to do those separately do those collectively then okay minutes okay do I have a motion for approval I move to approve consent calendar as written all right Commissioner Donaldson do I have a second discussion Richard Olson aye Commissioner Kobler aye Commissioner Neil I Commissioner Castillo okay where's your Orson chairperson Davis all right motion passes six zero okay and that brings us to other reports other committee reports how the housing constraints by specific plan ad hoc yes the housing constraints committee meeting were met in February they're acting as the steering committee for the housing element update they reviewed potential sites for affordable housing projects throughout the community they are scheduled to meet again with the consultant in March we're working toward probably a joint session with the City Council and the entire Planning Commission likely in May to look at a draft document we do need to get a draft into the state of California this summer for a review so that we can adopt the housing element before the end of the year which is the requirement okay I have a question this is Commissioner Donaldson's last meeting Commissioner Donaldson was appointed to that committee is there do we make another request to the council or do we just leave it with one know what we'll definitely want that position filled I think at your next meeting when we do the actual reorganization an election if we have any vacancies on any of our committees we should reappoint at that point thank you and we do appreciate your representing us on the housing constraints committee John and special plan ad hoc committee we're done there specific plan a doc yeah so we haven't had any meetings recently the Olsen specific plan was approved by the City Council last week the ordinance is come back for second reading next meeting after 30 days all the entitlements will be in effect if all goes ahead so that's that that's I think good news in terms of specific plan process in addition we have the Beachwood specific plan we are currently working to get the e I are released on that project by early March hopefully the end of next week as that document becomes available we'll be providing that to the Planning Commission so you have plenty of time to review that we're scheduled right now to release the gateway e IR this Friday I'm also providing copies of that although that's not a specific plan it is a large master plan annexation project similar to a specific plan so that would be provided the Planning Commission as soon as that's available as well okay Planning Commission comments and I'll start to my left commissioner Kobler just a question following up if any Warren so will we be notified by Rachel or somebody that those are available for pickup in the library per usual kind of notebooks the er's yes yeah okay we either notify you or we'll make them a bit we'll bring them to your next meeting it'll depend on when they're actually printed okay thank you nothing other than to thank and congratulate our Commissioner down the other end for serves the city and the time that we spent I spent at least with you here is very limited but you've been a welcome fresh breath breath the fresh air and a number of things and I've appreciated your perspective and viewpoints Thank You time it's been a joy you know I'm I'm humbled by your comments because I couldn't be happier to leave this in such good hands I think staff will probably agree I mean for years I'd say specifically obtains top-notch your hands on the wheels it's been a educational pleasure for me I got to say and I want to thank staff for all the great work over the years and stuff going forward by the way it's not just the HCC committee but this yeah that's that's right the two positions that need to be yeah that's all I have thank you how many meanings to thank John how many meetings do you think you were at and how many meetings do you think you attended how many years six years six years and you have a fingerprint on Paso Robles and we really thank you for your service I totally respected you as chair and it was really hard to come in a couple terms behind you I loved your your insight and how you thought and I'm just I'm really gonna miss you I said thank you very much for your service do I have any comments no this is my last meetings chair like I told some people we've had short-term rentals this year we've had a 200 unit apartment complex we've had some serious business to manage and I really think all of you for your commitment to the service I know I'm complaining but I I think I have grown a lot in this position and and I look forward to whoever we we have the appoint here in our next meeting so and that will be on what date so our next meeting is going to be Sunday that's our traditional reorganization meeting so six o'clock tooth and nail winery we're not sure if we're actually going to have the city clerk avail to do the swearing-in so if we can't do the swearing-in then we can't actually do the reorganization so it's possible that you might have to be chair to reopen the next Planning Commission meeting so that we can formally do the reorganization that we're still trying to figure out the logistics of all that so they I just wanted to make sure sure everybody knows that it's possible we're not actually going to do the formal reorganization at the dinner like we've done in the past okay thank you yeah so the other thing going on we do have the Planning Commission Academy that's next week Wednesday through Friday Katie and Lori Wilson will be going up there Darrin and I are staying back I think we have the two new commissioners and Leo going this time so that will be in Sacramento so that's always a good thing as I mentioned we're getting ready to release those ers the idea is to get both the Gateway and Beachwood projects to the Planning Commission in May so we do expect those projects to come together fairly quickly the red-tail apartments that 200 unit project that we spoke of was appealed to the City Council we are working right now on getting that ready for the council hearing that's tentatively scheduled for March 17th they're gonna rehear the whole project so they'll be making the final decision on that project our next meeting should be a fairly light meeting we'll probably do some reorganization appointments we have a couple time extensions but it'll probably a good meeting for some new commissioners we have a downtown park project that'll probably be ready in later March and then our planning secretary Rachel she's actually leaving the city so she replaced Monica about six months ago now she's moving on to another job so we're right now kind of in a transition period so in terms of getting the next staff reports out and things like that you'll probably be hearing from some people were playing I'm gonna have some temporaries in different positions for the foreseeable future as we get these positions all permanently refilled and that's what I got Darrin or Katie anything to add notice thank you John good luck you're great on DRC as well and thanks to you alright then I think it's time for an adjournment do I have a motion I would like to move to adjourn in a big way all right we'll let you suck at that - thank you [Applause] yeah